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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6432	From: Richard	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: The Microsoft curse
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6433	From: RRDART@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: Port Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6434	From: Mac	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6435	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts and the Internet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6436	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: more flanges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6437	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: more flanges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6438	From: aztecfan@xxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6439	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6440	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6441	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6442	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6443	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6444	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: 590T set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6445	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Check out COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6446	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels train set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6447	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6448	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Rogers list /.doc version
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6449	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6450	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6451	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: 590T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6452	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Modules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6453	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6454	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Boston & Main
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6455	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Killing Chatter in a Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6456	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6457	From: WILLIAM W HUTTON	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: ERTL 1/64th scale train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6458	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6459	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6460	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: module construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6461	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: 21088 wobble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6462	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: air chime "whistle"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6463	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: LTI making 3 new AF pieces!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6464	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: 590T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6465	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6466	From: jimpatt@flash.net	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Item (4)8314 Christmas Box Car '92
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6467	From: jimpatt@flash.net	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Tray and Shavings for Crane #583a
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6468	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Re: 21088 wobble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6469	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 485
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6470	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6471	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: MRC DualPower 027
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6472	From: Mac	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6473	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Training in Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6474	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 742 operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6475	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6476	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6477	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 21088
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6478	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Replies on 590T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6479	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 21088
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6480	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: 21088
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6481	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: American Model's track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6482	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6483	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: 21088
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6484	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: 'Plastic' train sets around
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6485	From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: American Model's track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6486	From: Marty Cook	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Training In Tampa
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6487	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: ERTLE CONVERTION TO TRACK POWERING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6488	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6489	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6490	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Franklin wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6491	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: SHS wheelsets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6492	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: 802s couplers for S Scale America 3 bay hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6493	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: MRC power & AF 'B' unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6494	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6495	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: 21088 (headlight)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6496	From: Allen Evans	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: 8 AMP 16VAC POWER SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6497	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: U.P. 21925-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6498	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: 8 AMP 16VAC POWER SUPPLY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6499	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Franklin fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6500	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6501	From: john foley	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: New Dispatch Printer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6502	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin fun
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6503	From: KtRdd@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Plastic trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6504	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Prototype RR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6505	From: Robert Morrison	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Sticking reversing unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6506	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6507	From: RRDART@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: New Dispatch Printer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6508	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: cheap 1/64 s scale cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6509	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 486
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6510	From: Raynald Asselin	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6511	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: Sticking reversing unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6512	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: Sticking reversing unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6513	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6514	From: jde@xxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: K5 315 Boiler Front advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6515	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: K5 315 Boiler Front advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6516	From: johnb@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: S-Trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6517	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Loose Boiler Front
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6518	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Corvettes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6519	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Re: Speakers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6520	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6521	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Sale at B.T.S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6522	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: boiler fronts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6523	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: sticky reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6524	From: Neil Trump	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Twin motored GP20
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6525	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: boiler fronts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6526	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6527	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6528	From: AFSGAUGE@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 491
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6529	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Silica gel Desicant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6530	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: K5 315 Boiler Front advice
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6531	From: Mac	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6532	From: Chaudiere, Dale	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: #963 Green Stripe Washington Observation for trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6533	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: AF Paper: M2883
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6534	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Speakers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6535	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6536	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Polishing A.F.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6537	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: CHRISTMAS CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6538	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: A.F. at Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6539	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. at Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6540	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 493
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6541	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Painting a GP-35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Painting a GP-35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6543	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Painting a GP-35
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6544	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Train Picture Format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6545	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: A.F. at Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6546	From: Scott Brown	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: Train Shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6547	From: Scott Brown	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6548	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER at EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6549	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: polishing AF rolling stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6550	From: Toyguy5344@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: DIY bridge plans
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6551	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@xxxx.xxx.xxxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Randy Sappo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6552	From: Cbtrainnut@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Christmas Car/Catalogs/Promo. "s"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6553	From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: AF Paper: M2883
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6554	From: JoeAWood@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Cleaning and polishing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6555	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Contest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6556	From: Cathy Pendleton	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: Polishing A. F. Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6557	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: 792 railroad Terminal for sale / streamliner cars wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6558	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Randy Sappo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6559	From: John Conant	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas Car/Catalogs/Promo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6560	From: Cbtrainnut@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Christmas layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6561	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Smoke and the price of Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6562	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke and the price of Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6563	From: bgaylord@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Hand Rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6564	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: more Corvettes and die cast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6565	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Contest Entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6566	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Contest Entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6567	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Contest Entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6568	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Train Shows & eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6569	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: contest entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6570	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: streamliner Great Northern cars wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6571	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@xxxx.xxx.xxxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Update on Randy Sappo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6572	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Unbelievable Smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6573	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Streamliners and Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6574	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6575	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Contest Entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6576	From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners and Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6577	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: toxic vs. non-toxic smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6578	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Project Status at B.T.S.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6579	From: Mac	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: My Contest Entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6580	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6581	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6582	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Revell Buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6583	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Manual Switch Adjustment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6584	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] more Corvettes and die cast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6585	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert Reproductions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6586	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Ebay Smoke Cartridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6587	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6588	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 496
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6589	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: 99 xmas boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6590	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6591	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Reserves (was Ebay Smoke)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6592	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: S in the Rock (Island)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6593	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Manual Switch Adjustment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6594	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Contest entry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6595	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Smoke Cartridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6596	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Reserves (was Ebay Smoke)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6597	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 xmas boxcars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6598	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Structure footprints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6599	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: kids & Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6600	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6601	From: MWelbornjr@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Nice sets!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6602	From: Drgw489@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: S Scale layout open house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6603	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: 1999 Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6604	From: bgaylord@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Thank You
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6605	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6606	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6607	From: RKuep44202@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6608	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: S in the Rock (Island)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6609	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas Boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6610	From: KtRdd@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: someone got smoked
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6611	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6612	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: 99 Flyer Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6613	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Kids & Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6614	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Kids & Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6615	From: Boss31@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 498 Gargraves switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6616	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Smoke-Enders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6617	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6618	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6619	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: SHS cars for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6620	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6621	From: john foley	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Tracker Trailers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6622	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: 99 box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6623	From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Arthur Hamilton
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6624	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: South Fl Trains show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6625	From: mmeise@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: circus sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6626	From: aztecfan@xxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: SPACERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6627	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: 99 box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6628	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Greenberg Train Show in Pompano Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6629	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: circus sign
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6630	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6631	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6632	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6633	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: TTOS crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6634	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: Kids & Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6635	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: S-list and politics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6636	From: bob walsh	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6637	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6638	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6639	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6640	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Gargraves track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6641	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6642	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6643	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: servicing light fixture Loco #21168
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6644	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6645	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6646	From: Richard	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: prices!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6647	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6648	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: interesting site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6649	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 99 Lyin'L Christmas Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6650	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: WHAT HAPPENED
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6651	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: s-trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6652	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: IR Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6653	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: IR Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6654	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6655	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: eBay::Smoke-Enders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6656	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: bickering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6657	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: I'll be gone for a bit.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6658	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas car & bickering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6659	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Club Car Deadline
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6660	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Digest Subscribers - re:#500
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6661	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 497 - toxic vs non-toxic smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6662	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: s-trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6663	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Whistling Billboards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6664	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Club Car Deadline Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6665	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 1999 1/64th Winn Dixie Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6666	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6667	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6668	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 370 coupler bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6669	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 497 - toxic vs non-toxic smoke fluid.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6670	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6671	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Rosco fog fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6672	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6673	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6674	From: A50flyer@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: AF parts needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6675	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: coupler bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6676	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: coupler bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6677	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Missing items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6678	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: GP7 bar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6679	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: animated station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6680	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: stockyard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6681	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: stockyard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6682	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: AF bloopers or ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6683	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: switch controllers/stockyard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6684	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Lionel vs American flyer re powr connecting assesorys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6685	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: switch controllers/stockyard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6686	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Lionle vs. AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6687	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: lionel vs AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6688	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: animated station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6689	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: stockyard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6690	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Link Couplers Fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6691	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: WEBSITE WITH S FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6692	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: ShureLine and bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6693	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6694	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: lionel vs AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6695	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6696	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: S Photos Needed at Walthers!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6697	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6698	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Telephone and Electrical lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6699	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6700	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6701	From: A50flyer@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Link coupler fix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6702	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6703	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 502
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6704	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6705	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6706	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: links uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6707	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: links uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6708	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6709	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6710	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6711	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Rosco fog fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6712	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6713	From: Tom Walker	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: remove from mailing list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6714	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: link coupler springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6715	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6716	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: turnouts for sale, L-Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6717	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: paint removal...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6718	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: SW-1 updated Web pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6719	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6720	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 504
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6721	From: James C. Knight	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Bulbs galore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6722	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6723	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: WALTHERS HAS A SALE ON A L-FLYER DERRICK CAR!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6724	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: AM Pacific Detail Kit - 'S' Scale Locomotive & Supply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6725	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: WALTHERS HAS A SALE ON A L-FLYER DERRICK CAR!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6726	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: AF Smoke Formulations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6727	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6728	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO set on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6729	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Mating track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6730	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO set on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6731	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO set on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6732	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Cleaning old track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6733	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO 0-8-0 (not)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6734	From: JSBMLB@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: BK Enterprize switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6735	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Railmaster RS-3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6736	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 506
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6737	From: JSBMLB@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: BK #10 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6738	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6739	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6740	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: ON3 Bacheman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6741	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6742	From: johnford	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Freight Car Ratios
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6743	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6744	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6745	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Flyer blooper?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6746	From: donabrams	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: links uncoupling
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6747	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: New Web Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6748	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6749	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO train Item #238457838
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6750	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Light Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6751	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: ON3 Bacheman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6752	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: smoke talk
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6753	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: S track Diameter/AF 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6754	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: cedarwood oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6755	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6756	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6757	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6758	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: cedarwood oil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6759	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Train Meets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6760	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6761	From: Mark A. Oleksinski	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Newcomer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6762	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6763	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6764	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: small radius track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6765	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Cleaning Track Pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6766	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Bachmann On30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6767	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: BEST TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6768	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Newcomer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6769	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6770	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Correction]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6771	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6772	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Bachmann On30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6773	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Email
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6774	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Correct URL for Bachmann On30 Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6775	From: johnford	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Newcomer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6776	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Wayne's Bachmann On30 Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6777	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Web site problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6778	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6779	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: S-trax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6780	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6781	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6782	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: New survey for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6783	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Flo-Quil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6784	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: [Fwd: New survey for S-Trains]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6785	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: [Fwd: New survey for S-Trains]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6786	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6787	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: track and cleaning pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6788	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6789	From: finerty, paul	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: AF diesel horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6790	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: track and cleaning pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6791	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6792	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: cleaning track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6793	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: SHS 2000 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6794	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6795	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: SHS 2000 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6796	From: Walt Gay	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6797	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6798	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6799	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6800	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Layout Design Software??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6801	From: Walt Gay	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6802	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6803	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: blue coal hoppers from AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6804	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Tank Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6805	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: track and cleaning pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6806	From: Ron Brady	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6807	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6808	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Can motor headaches: WAS: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6809	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: diesel horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6810	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: cleaning pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6811	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6812	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6813	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: RR Design Software - 3D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6814	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6815	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6816	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: track pins ANOTHER question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6817	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: track pins ANOTHER question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6818	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 511
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6819	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6820	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6821	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 511
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6822	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6823	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: arcing/horns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6824	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: fixing whistle cannisters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6825	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: fixing whistle cannisters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6826	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Notes from here.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6827	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6828	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6829	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6830	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6831	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Module construction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6832	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Horn generators - Cleaning; Coal Loader Paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6833	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6834	From: jarmstro@axtek.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Link Coupler Togetherness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6835	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: NP set decision
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6836	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: NP set decision
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6837	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6838	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: Des Plaines Hobbies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6839	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Link Correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6840	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: new to S-gauge learning much need lots of help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6841	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Joining a onelist
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6842	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Pins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6843	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Rewind
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6844	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Track problems?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6845	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: when to repaint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6846	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6847	From: RKuep44202@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: AF Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6848	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6849	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: CTT article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6850	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Great old railroad photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6851	From: Allen Evans	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Type of Board For A Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6852	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Track products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6853	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Train board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6854	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: sacralige
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6855	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Plywood& carpet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6856	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: CTT article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6857	From: finerty, paul	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: diesel horn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6858	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Golden Wheel Die Cast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6859	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6860	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6861	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6862	From: Lewis Webb	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: 1/64 scale trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6863	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: 1/64 scale trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6864	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: shows&boxes-cans& problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6865	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6866	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: AF track with rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6867	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: shows&boxes-cans& problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6868	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6869	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Lionel Flyer for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6870	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 515
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6871	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 515
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6872	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6873	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6874	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF track with rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6875	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: 4-8-4 root canal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6876	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: shows&boxes-cans& problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6877	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Root canals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6878	From: Allen Evans	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6879	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: End of Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6880	From: Michael Greene	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6881	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6882	From: John Simkovich	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: IHB 080 and N&W 080
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6883	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6884	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: IHB 080 and N&W 080
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6885	From: shirleyp@alltel.net	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Wheel & Track Demensions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6886	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: coupler mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6887	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6888	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: arcing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6889	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gauger's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6890	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6891	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: #21168 Short out on Switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6892	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: #21168 Short out on Switches?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6893	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: glue & cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6894	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG? (re Digest #508 Post #3)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6895	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Letter about small radii track.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6896	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: PRS cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6897	From: George Leonard	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Prewar Chuggers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6898	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Tank Car Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6899	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG? (re Digest #508 Post #3)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6900	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6901	From: seattlewithyou@hotmail.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6902	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6903	From: Richard	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: S track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6904	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S Equipment/Short Radium Turns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6905	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6906	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6907	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6908	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: enough with the spike art ads, thank you. eom.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6909	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: fragile steps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6910	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: TRACK FOR S-30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6911	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Blatant Sales Promotion on List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6912	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Re: S Equipment/Short Radium Turns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6913	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Cement/glue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6914	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: 56 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6915	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: AF Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6916	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: AF trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6917	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6918	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6919	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6920	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6921	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: X-29 - Revell Bakery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6922	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trestle Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6923	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6924	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6925	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: A couple of points.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6926	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: PRS STEPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6927	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6928	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: small radius track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6929	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6930	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6931	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: A couple of points
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6932	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6933	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6934	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6935	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6936	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6937	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6938	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: RailMaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6939	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6940	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6941	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6942	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6943	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: 785 Coaler by MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6944	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Flyer Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6945	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6946	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Small Spaces for the A-F Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6947	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: And one more thing too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6948	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6949	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: And one more thing too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6950	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: and one more thing too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6951	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: MTH Coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6952	From: Walt Gay	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6953	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track Issues (was... And one more thing too
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6954	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6955	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6956	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6957	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: WANTED: DAVE EWING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6958	From: James Roberts	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6959	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6960	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6961	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6962	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: couple of points
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6963	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6964	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6965	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6966	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6967	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG?-Part III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6968	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6969	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: 660-663 aluminum car truck riveting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6970	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Yadda yadda yadda
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6971	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: One MORE thing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6972	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6973	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6974	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6975	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: 660-3 aluminum car riveting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6976	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: loaders and Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6977	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Turnouts and Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6978	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Interesting Gilbert "set"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6979	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6980	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: s track diameter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6981	From: Tom Young	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Rotating Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6982	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Rotating Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6983	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale] S scale magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6984	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: S scale magazine, with text this time. (it didn't forward)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6985	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: rotating beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6986	From: Ron Brady	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: bells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6987	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Credit Card Mailing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6988	From: Jim and Vicky	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 521
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6989	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: What is [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6990	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6991	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6992	From: John Simkovich	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Fw:I think that we all qualify for each of these.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6993	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Railway Express Agency trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6994	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Railway Express Agency trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6995	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Beacon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6996	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Hey, Limburger Boy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6997	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Fw:I think that we all qualify for each of these.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6998	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 6999	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Hey, Limburger Boy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7000	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Hey, Limburger Boy!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7001	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 522
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7002	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: aluminum cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7003	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: solenoids.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7004	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Yadda yadda yadda
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7005	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: S-Trains.com & Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7006	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Railway Express Agency trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7007	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: [Fwd: S-Trains.com & Chat]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7008	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: X57 Semaphore part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7009	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: time out for a prototype problem!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7010	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7011	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7012	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: non text portions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7013	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA,DNS	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: X57 Semaphore part
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7014	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Modelling in Kosovo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7015	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7016	From: David Butterfield	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7017	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7018	From: Randall Griggs	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: DINKY "S"tudebaker Tanker Truck Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7019	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: 312 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7020	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7021	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Steam Whistle Control/Air Chime Control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7022	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: 312 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7023	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: AM products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7024	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Glueing a tender step on
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7025	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Randall Griggs and his Studebakers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7026	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Wow, lookit this!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7027	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: 312 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7028	From: Drgw489@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: An Old S Scaler Fades Away
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7029	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7030	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7031	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7032	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Randall Griggs and his Studebakers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7033	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Another loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7034	From: john foley	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Fw: Reading and Northern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7035	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Simulating wood / Cost of Brass?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7036	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: eBay psychology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7037	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Wow, lookit this!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7038	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Wow, lookit this!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7039	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 524
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7040	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7041	From: David Butterfield	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7042	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Set composition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7043	From: Richard	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Another bloody Survey...PARTS??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7044	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: SIT bellows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7045	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7046	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Simulating wood / Cost of Brass?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7047	From: Steve Jones	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: The Badgerland S Gaugers are on the WWW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7048	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Set composition
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7049	From: Richard	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: got to to wondering why not??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7050	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Another new Distributor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7051	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7052	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Dr. thesis for one of your Grandkids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7053	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: 3985 CHALLENGER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7054	From: James Wysopal	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: extracting old light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7055	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: got to to wondering why not??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7056	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: MTH and S gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7057	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Sunday night Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7058	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7059	From: Lewis Webb	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Rail King Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7060	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Resistor value????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7061	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7062	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: Resistor value????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7063	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7064	From: NYC17819@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7065	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: TTOS cars for 2000
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7066	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: More chat help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7067	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Does anyone like this stuff?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7068	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Information wanted on S-Gauge layout at Springs Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7069	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7070	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7071	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7072	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: extracting old light bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7073	From: Ron Brady	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Bulb Removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7074	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7075	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7076	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7077	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: bulb removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7078	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7079	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: SHS Robin Hood Beer car pic
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7080	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Sunday Night Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7081	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Resistor value????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7082	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7083	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7084	From: RxMan46321@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Shared files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7085	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: A-F Locomotive #322 help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7086	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: A-F Locomotive #322 help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7087	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7088	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7089	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7090	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7091	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Thanks to all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7092	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528 MTH possibilities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7093	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Replies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7094	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Smoke and Resistor help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7095	From: Mac	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7096	From: Novak, William	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 529
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7097	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7098	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Track ballast and MTH coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7099	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7100	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7101	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7102	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7103	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7104	From: twinlake-northwestern@juno.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 529
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7105	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7106	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7107	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7108	From: ClaimsBoss@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: bulb removal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7109	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: ...Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7110	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Large engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7111	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Large engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7112	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7113	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: NORTH PENN NEWS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7114	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Parts wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7115	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7116	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7117	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7118	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Any Ideas on a transformer problem?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7119	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7120	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: transformer problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7121	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Challenger at LA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7122	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7123	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: SIT Cylinder installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7124	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: AM reverser problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7125	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7126	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7127	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: KLine track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7128	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7129	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7130	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: SIT cylinder installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7131	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7132	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7133	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: shared files
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7134	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike & S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7135	From: Kempfam@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7136	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7137	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7138	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 531
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7139	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7140	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7141	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7143	From: Allen Evans	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Bang for the Buck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7144	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7145	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7146	From: Richard	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: D&RGW C-48
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7147	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7148	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 532
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7149	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke and Resistor help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7150	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Big Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7151	From: Novak, William	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 531
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7152	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Observation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7153	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Symposium and Loco Status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7154	From: George Leonard	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: SIT Cylinder Installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7155	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: LTI intermodal crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7156	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Big Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7157	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: LTI Intermodal Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7158	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Champion Decals in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7159	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: AF #768 Oil Supply Depot Parts.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7160	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Recent Flaming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7161	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7162	From: Richard	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: AM Pass cars??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7163	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7164	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7165	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7166	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: AM Pass cars???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7167	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: ebay madness?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7168	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame r. petrella
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7169	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7170	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: eBay mystery buyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7171	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: On Wisconsin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7172	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7173	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7174	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame r petrella
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7175	From: Fred Hackett	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Reply to Message 21
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7176	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7177	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7178	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7179	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: S Fest address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7180	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7181	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Track power & hot field
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7182	From: Neal Flomenberg	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: SHS Sante Fe SW9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7183	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Ebay and us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7184	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Sante Fe SW9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7185	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame marc mccarran
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7186	From: comic@digitalputty.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: eBay madness??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7187	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7188	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: New Parts Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7189	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7190	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7191	From: comic@digitalputty.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: eBay madness??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7192	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7193	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7194	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: bad behavior
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7195	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Fwd: FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7196	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7197	From: michael prell	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Is it time to moderate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7198	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: flame r petrella
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7199	From: johnford	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7200	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: S- Helper at Retail and the Industrial Rail Cars Expanding S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7201	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: E-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7202	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Loud mouths
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7203	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: The "Petrella & McCarron" posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7204	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: #282 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7205	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: The Great EBay Flame War....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7206	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Reply to Marc McCarron - Digest Number 534
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7207	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Loud mouths
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7208	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Is it time to moderate?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7209	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: #282 loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7210	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7211	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7212	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7213	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7214	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7215	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7216	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7217	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7218	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7219	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: whining, E Bay, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7220	From: jsbmlb@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: sunday chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7221	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 535
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7222	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 533
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7223	From: Fred Alles	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Baggage Smasher roof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7224	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7225	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Building an S gauge auto carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7226	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: #282 Loco---Tom Jarcho's reply---
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7227	From: Scott Griggs	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: SHS Santa Fe SW-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7228	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AM Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7229	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AMEN, Roger.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7230	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7231	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7232	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7233	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7234	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7235	From: M.McConnell	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Miswired Steam Engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7236	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7237	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7238	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7239	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7240	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AMerican Flyer Stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7241	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7242	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7243	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: "S-Auctions" mailing list?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7244	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: S auctions mailing list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7245	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: "S-Auctions" mailing list?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7246	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: 19B & 645A fences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7247	From: James Wysopal	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: light bulbs again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7248	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: light bulbs again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7249	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7250	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Misc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7251	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: eBay mystery buyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7252	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: 19B & 645A fences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7253	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7254	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Time to return to civility, Please!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7255	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Clamshells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7256	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7257	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Reading old digests
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7258	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 537
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7259	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: 752 coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7260	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 537
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7261	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: "Fire in the Hole!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7262	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: S-Trains: rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7263	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: S-Trains: 645 fences
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7264	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7265	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: light bulbs again & again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7266	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: 752 coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7267	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Lionel catalogue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7268	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7269	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7270	From: J. Row	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Lubes and Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7271	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: contact cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7272	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: New photos added at..........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7273	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: MTH 785 Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7274	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: 752 coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7275	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: contact cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7276	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: wicks and tricks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7277	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Fire in the hole--Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7278	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: wicks and tricks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7279	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: 752 coaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7280	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7281	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Fire Stations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7282	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Flat Car Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7283	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: No fire, but lotsa noise!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7284	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Transformer Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7285	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Bridge!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7286	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Bridge issue!!..oops
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7287	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer Problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7288	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: AF color
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7289	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: got them ..thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7290	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: --WD-40 use
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7291	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7292	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: AM Train sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7293	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Warbonnet touch up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7294	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Flat Car Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7295	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: rivets vs. screws or bolts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7296	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: rivets vs. screws or bolts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7297	From: betty wight	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Bolts vs. Rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7298	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Racing Champions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7299	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: DC current
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7300	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7301	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7302	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: DC current
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7303	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current--"lost" postings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7304	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7305	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Re: Bridge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7306	From: J. Row	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7307	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7308	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7309	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7310	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 50's cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7311	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Lost Posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7312	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7313	From: judy messinger	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: "Slow Flyer"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: "Slow Flyer"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7315	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7316	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars (ANOTHER source)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7317	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7318	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7319	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7320	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Flat Car Loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7321	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: American Flyer cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7322	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7323	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 50's or 60's diecast gondola kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7324	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 1/2 missing posts!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7325	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7326	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Slow #290 Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7327	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: S-trains chat room reminders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7328	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Opportunity Knocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7329	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Battery powered signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7330	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: NASG Shirts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7331	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: [links]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7332	From: Richard	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Opportunity Knocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7333	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Lost posts, lost server!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7334	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Sweet & Low
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7335	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7336	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7337	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7338	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Oops!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7339	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7340	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7341	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Chat Room Hours
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7342	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7343	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: so what's that?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7344	From: noramz@webtv.net	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7345	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: Rubber stamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7346	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7347	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7348	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7349	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Status of Rex Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7350	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 543
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7351	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Missouri Pacific photo page has moved to.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7352	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale] idenity of eBay bidders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7353	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Diecast kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7354	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: ebay trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7355	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7356	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: ID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7357	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Alps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7358	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: e-bay and collusion and book value
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7359	From: J. Row	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7360	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Letter Formating (was.... ID
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7361	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble & sharing identities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7362	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: LTI PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7363	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: New Trackside Details in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7364	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: SSLS parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7365	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Bristol S Gaugers Web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7366	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7367	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Misunderstanding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7368	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Opportunity Knocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7369	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: S scale station kit on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7370	From: John Craft	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: S scale station kit on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7371	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Boy did I blow this one......sorry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7372	From: jarmstro@nis4u.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: AF 314AW Whistle Constroller Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7373	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Red weights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7374	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: New photos added to Missouri Pacific Web page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7375	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7376	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7377	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7378	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7379	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7380	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7381	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: 650 new haven coach on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7382	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7383	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7384	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7385	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7386	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: S gauge now out sells HO and O gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7387	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 545
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7388	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Modernism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7389	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: no trouble in E-bay land
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7390	From: dlich,	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7391	From: dlich,	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: e-bay bargains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7392	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: looking for Dennis Donovan
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7393	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7394	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: OT: Railinc launches Steelroads.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7395	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More NASG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7396	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Landscaping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7397	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7398	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: S gauge now out sells HO and O gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7399	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: New images added at........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: Landscaping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7401	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Lichen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7402	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@clev.frb.org	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: B&O SW-9 for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7403	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Restoring lichen.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7404	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Modernism & marketing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7405	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7406	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7407	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7408	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7409	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NASG Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7410	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: modern stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7411	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: S Scale America
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7412	From: John Craft	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] modern stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7413	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7414	From: James Roberts	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7415	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7416	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: The numbers game...Modern Modelers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New set-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7418	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Another encouraging stat...NOT!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7419	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New set up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7420	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7421	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7422	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: New set-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7423	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ballest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7424	From: dlich,	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7425	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Flyer in the city of Angels?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7426	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New landscaping options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7427	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: More on new scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7428	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New 0-6-0 has been tested.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7429	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7430	From: john foley	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7431	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 547
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7432	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Flea mkt. taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7433	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 547
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7434	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: MTH Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7435	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ethylene glycol
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7436	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ethylene glycol / lichen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7437	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ethylene glycol
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7438	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Wy not us??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7439	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New landscaping options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7440	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7441	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flea mkt. taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7442	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Reviving Lichen--Anti-freeze & cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7443	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] modern stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7444	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Wy not us??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7445	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: removing cat hair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7446	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ok ok ok
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7447	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Trains & Movies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7448	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7449	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: "new" s-gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7450	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7451	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: era-particular??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7452	From: John Denholm	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: DC A-F Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7453	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7454	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7455	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7456	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] TAXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7457	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7458	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] era-particular??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7459	From: dlich,	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: TAX
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7460	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: era particular ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7461	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: Rich Gajnak on Lionel Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7462	From: James B. Miller	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7463	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Upset with Lionel!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7464	From: rwjw3@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 548
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7465	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 549
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7466	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: 732/734 roller question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7467	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7468	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: E.B.T. 0-6-0 Pulling Power Test Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7469	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7470	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] era-particular??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7471	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Wy not us??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7472	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7473	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rich Gajnak on Lionel Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7474	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: What Era.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7475	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7476	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Modern .."THE LOCO"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7478	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7479	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7480	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: KISS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7481	From: Scott Brown	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: ACSG - Washington and Old Dominion Chapter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7482	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7483	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Barrels for loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7484	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC A-F Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7485	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7486	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7487	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: answers to questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7488	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7489	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] KISS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7490	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Barrels and Coyotes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7491	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Barrels and Coyotes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7492	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7493	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] KISS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7494	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: 8-40B was Modern Engines ???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7495	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: "Reworking Tinplate Track"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7496	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7497	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7498	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: What of the future!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7499	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: CATS AND TRAINS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7500	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7501	From: michael prell	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7502	From: D Simon	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Help Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7503	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7504	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7505	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New landscaping options
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7506	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7507	From: Richard McClary	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7508	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: new O27 Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7509	From: RALPH HAHN	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7510	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Classified Classics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7511	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Modern Stuff and Consensus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7512	From: John Craft	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Stuff and Consensus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7513	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7514	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7515	From: Steve Jones	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest E-mail list established
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7516	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Cats plus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7517	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7518	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7519	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7520	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7521	From: john foley	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Sales Tax
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7522	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Southern California sites/shops?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7523	From: James Roberts	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: HOW MODERN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7524	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Modern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7525	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Stuff and Consensus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7526	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Deep digging escrow etc!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7527	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Cats, again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7528	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7529	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Fw: New format [#2571563]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7530	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7531	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: New format [#2571563]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7532	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7533	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: An Alternative to eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7534	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: new format
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7536	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: Dose of reality
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7537	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Marketing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7538	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: An oldie but moldy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7539	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: How Modern
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7540	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: New format [#2571563]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7541	From: michael prell	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7542	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7543	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7544	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Missing person
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7545	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: Ethylene Glycol
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7546	From: William H Trefts	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Window adhesive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7547	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: NYC Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7548	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: window adhesive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7549	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Window adhesive?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7550	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] removing cat hair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7551	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: window adhesive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7552	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: cat hair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7553	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Softening lichen
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7554	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Scale and not so scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7555	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: critters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7556	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7557	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: ebay post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7558	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Mark Preman
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7559	From: Richard	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: NASG Dispatch...go public!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7560	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7561	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: crash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7562	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7563	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: That "O"ther scale...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7564	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Korean Connection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7565	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: SCALE AND NOT SO SCALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7566	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: window adhesive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7567	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA,DNS	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] window adhesive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7568	From: J. Row	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7569	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Scale and not so scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7570	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scale and not so scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7571	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: trestle pieces
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7572	From: Novak, William	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Growing S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7573	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BSA Merit Badges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7574	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Last Call for Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7575	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Scale and not so scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7576	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: 3107 Prewar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7577	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: New photos added at..........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7578	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: the Dispatch and non-profit status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7579	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Thanks/Preman/Magazines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7580	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] the Dispatch and non-profit status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7581	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: I am into AF and Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7582	From: Richard Wholf	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Repairing Crane #944
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7583	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: repairing Crane #944
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7584	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Chat Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7585	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: rust
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7586	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7587	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7588	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7589	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7590	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7591	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7592	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: 3107 Prewar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7593	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge track ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7594	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7595	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7596	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7597	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge track ballast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7598	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7599	From: John Craft	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7600	From: Richard	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7601	From: john foley	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Fw: Black's Fire Collectibles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7602	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] espionage]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7603	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7604	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Korean Connection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7605	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Press Release by MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7606	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: New Ballast and Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7607	From: Richard	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Im wondering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7608	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Korean Connection
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7609	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Ballast and Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7610	From: dlich,	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: mth-theft
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7611	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Im wondering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7612	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7613	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Ernie Needs Us
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7614	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7615	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7616	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Wiring Diagram for a 1946 AF 322 SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7617	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7618	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7619	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7620	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7621	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: 322 tender wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7622	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: A.F. 787 Need some Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7623	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: A.F. 787 needs help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7624	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: HO Slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7625	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: HO Slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7626	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: greetings from a newbie (but oldie)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7627	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Slot cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7628	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7629	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7630	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7631	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7632	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 559
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7633	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Atlantic/Pacific Valve gear
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7634	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: new web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7635	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 560
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7636	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 560
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7637	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: AF/Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7638	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: ICRR 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7639	From: john foley	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ICRR 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7640	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7641	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7642	From: M.McConnell	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: LED's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7643	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Racing champs for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7644	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Re: Racing Champs for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7645	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Christmas list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7646	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Conversion to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7647	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7648	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7649	From: John Simkovich	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Discusted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7650	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 561
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7651	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: KCS modern auto racks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7652	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Conversion to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7654	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: MP cars (Was Re: Conversion to S)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7655	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: You're invited!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7656	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: S Trains Yahoo Club, Invitation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7657	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: New Layout Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7658	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: SHS Mo Pac Eagle Box car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7659	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: TRAINS ON OUR VACATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7660	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: AC to DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7661	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7662	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7663	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7664	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7665	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7666	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AC to DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7667	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7668	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Light Bulbs Again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7669	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: New Layout Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7670	From: michael prell	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7671	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Coaling Tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7672	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7673	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Laugh, and the world laughs with you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7674	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 563
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7675	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7676	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Book available
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7677	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: NPSG FEBRUARY NEWSLETTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7678	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Proselytizing to S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7679	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert Heritage book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7680	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: AC to DC and Lamp Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7681	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Mystery "fireless" steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7682	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery "fireless" steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7683	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Update on Rex Line
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7684	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: Model Railroading Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7685	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: The Bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7686	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery "fireless" steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7687	From: JIM SYPHAX	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7688	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Tom Hanks' new train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7689	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7690	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7691	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: AC Gilbert's Heritage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7692	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Bridges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7693	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: G-8 diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7694	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: AC to DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7695	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] G-8 diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7696	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7697	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7698	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cable Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7699	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7700	From: JIM SYPHAX	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: Unsubscribed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7701	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: screw Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7702	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tom Hanks' new train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7703	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7704	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: List Mail Option
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7705	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7706	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7707	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Installing DCC + Sound in S Helper Service SW-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7708	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7709	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7710	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Phantom Products from Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7711	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Phantom Products from Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7712	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: lionel VS. Mth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7713	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Wanted - Casey Jones Type Engine 4-6-0 for S Fest Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7714	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Casey Jones Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7715	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Casey Jones Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7717	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Lionel 2343 A-A units for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7718	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel wiring
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7719	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7720	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Phantom Products from Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7721	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Flat Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7722	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 565
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7723	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: T&P 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7724	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Lionel ATSF Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7725	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: lionel VS. Mth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7726	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb - additional question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7727	From: Scott Brown	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: Phantom Products from Lionel?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7728	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: B&O steam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7729	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Assorted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7730	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: lionel VS. Mth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7731	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Hiawatha
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7732	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Assorted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7733	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7734	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. motor rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7735	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: T&P 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7736	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Tender needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7737	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Ford Panel Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7738	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7739	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7740	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: dim bulb -- flyer motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7741	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Hand laying track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7742	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7743	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb - additional question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7744	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 566
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7745	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lnl/AF delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7746	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7747	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Reading P7sb picture on my website.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7748	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: New AF CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7749	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Correction.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7750	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Re: MTH, Lionel & intellectual property
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7751	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Santa Fe Decals...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7752	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7753	From: The Reis's	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: 1993 Lionel Flyer Christmax Box Car for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7754	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Celebrities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7755	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: (Crosspost) chat has moved! (Again)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7756	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Thank you
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7757	From: clifma19@idt.net	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7758	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Flat Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7759	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 567
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7760	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7761	From: William H Trefts	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7762	From: dlich,	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: GP-370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7763	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: sparking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7764	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: none
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7765	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP7 coupler conversion.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7766	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP-370
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7767	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Large barrel comm engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7768	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Re: NASG on-line?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7769	From: Terry Harrison	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Fw: NASG online?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7770	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Flyer's new caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7771	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer's new caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7772	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: problems in yahoo club and horse trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7773	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7774	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: AF motor colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7775	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Railroads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7776	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: 360 and 470 armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7777	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: 360 and 470 armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7778	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Exchange
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7779	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7780	From: Steve Jones	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: We've gone International!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7781	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Barrel Commutators
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7782	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: Can you make these on the ALPS printer in "S" 3/16" 1/64?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7783	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: Wooden reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7784	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. motor rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7785	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7786	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: PA Brass Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7787	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 572
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7788	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: 360/470
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7789	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF motor colors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7790	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PA Brass Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7791	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewindingmotor rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7792	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7793	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7794	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7795	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: All wheel pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7796	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7797	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: NMRA Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7798	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7799	From: James B. Miller	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: 1/64 trucks & farm equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7800	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Lotsa wheel pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7801	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7802	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: All wheel contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7803	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Trackside Details have arrived.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7804	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Found two more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7805	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Neon window signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7806	From: Richard	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: chat with da Pres (Lionel)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7807	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: anothe two
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7808	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Fw: [NPTellTale] Ramblin Jack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7809	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: MORE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7810	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: AF all wheel pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7811	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: All wheel pickup
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7812	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Reserves!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7813	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reserves!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7814	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7815	From: Bob Ellis	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7816	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7817	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7818	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: comment to Jim Kindraka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7819	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7820	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Fw: [NPTellTale] Engineers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7821	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 575
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7822	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: best steamer for a buck fifty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7823	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7824	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7825	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7826	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7827	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: A & E's Top Ten Toy List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7828	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Hmmmm.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7829	From: Nerker, Robert	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Pull-mor wheels on AM Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7830	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: oh yeah, the 350
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7831	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7832	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Slow drying paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7833	From: Richard	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Hmmmm.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7834	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Baker's Chocolate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7835	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6-wheelers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7836	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P (IMPORTANT)]]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7837	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: SHS new switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7838	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Slow drying paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7839	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntables
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7840	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: slow drying paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7841	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: s scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7842	From: finerty, paul	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: pulmor bands on Am diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7843	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Radio Shack part # ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7844	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Radio Shack part # ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7845	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Slow drying paint
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7846	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Radio Shack part # ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7847	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7848	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7849	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7850	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7851	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7852	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: radio shack AC relays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7853	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7854	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7855	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: engine choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7856	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7857	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7858	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7859	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7860	From: Richard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7861	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: New cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7862	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7863	From: George Leonard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Capacitors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7864	From: Nanny	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7865	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7866	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The 293 New Haven Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7867	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7868	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7869	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7870	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Year End Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7871	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Flyer choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7872	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: D C trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7873	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7874	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7875	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7876	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7877	From: George Leonard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Capacitors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7878	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7879	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7880	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Flyer choices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: 1/64th vehicles for sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7882	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7883	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7884	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Rectifiers and capacitors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7885	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: 290, 293 details: Marketing and Modifications
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7886	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Classic Die Cast
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7887	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Ballast/Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7888	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: A little fun on yahoo!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7889	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: URL for yahoo club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7890	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Vintage Die Cast!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7891	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: 290 vs 293 etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7892	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Bristol Club Web Site - Additional DCC Projects info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7893	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: S-Trains digest questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7894	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7895	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7896	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7897	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7898	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: Train Show at Timmonium, MD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7899	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Wood Trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7900	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Price of some eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7901	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ice Houses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7902	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7903	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7904	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7905	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7906	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: YEAR END RESULTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7907	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7908	From: John Craft	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Price of some eBay items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7909	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7910	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Year End Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7911	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7912	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7913	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Year End Results
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7914	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Off the subject but relevant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7915	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ebay train insanity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7916	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7917	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Site gone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7918	From: The Reis's	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off the subject but relevant
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7919	From: Tom Young	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ebay train insanity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7920	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7921	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: Converting to DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7922	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7923	From: Scott Brown	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7924	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7925	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: 293 ON EBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7926	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: might be helpful someday!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7927	From: glenn sarlitto	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7928	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7929	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7930	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Conversion Ruler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7931	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Flying Yankee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7932	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: My site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7933	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7934	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Club Car Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7935	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7936	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: 3/16 man a must have figure.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7937	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7938	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Creating a New Web Site.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7939	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Creating a New Web Site.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7940	From: Chaudiere, Dale	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Catenary for AM GG-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7941	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Creating a New Web Site. ]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7942	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: The little people
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7943	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Surplus of AF Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7944	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 585
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7945	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: non-S Products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7946	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7947	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (unknown)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7948	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Unique Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7949	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: OT by 1 1/3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7950	From: john foley	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7951	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Aboussaf e-mail address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7952	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Bristol Club at Greenberg Show, Wilmington MA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7953	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bristol Club at Greenberg Show, Wilmington MA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7954	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Missouri Pacific Photo Page photos added.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7955	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: S-DeSignS is ONLINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7956	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7957	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7958	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Yahoo Train club.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7959	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: S-train info.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7960	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: warm weather
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7961	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7962	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club: Send PHOTOS!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7963	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7964	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Coon Gap Sawmill Status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7965	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Future problems for all importers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7966	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Gone To York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7967	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: large motor 326 Hudson for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7968	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Port Lines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7969	From: john foley	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Cool web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7970	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: New 2000 AF items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7971	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: LA trip and trains stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7972	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: LA continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7973	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LA continued --Walt Disney
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7974	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LA trip and trains stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7975	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: O-27 box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7976	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra L Roberts	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: The Great Train Store Reply
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7977	From: James B. Miller	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: Disney trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7978	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: 0-27 box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7979	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: non-S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7980	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7981	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7982	From: Paul Husby	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: TNT car help?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7983	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Lionel Clocks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7984	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: You're invited!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7985	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clock face
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7986	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7987	From: john foley	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Fw: Asking for advice!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7988	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Reply from GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7989	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clock face
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7990	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Check out A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village - Salem, Ore...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7991	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: large motor 326 Hudson for sale update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7992	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Lionel Clock and Wristwatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7993	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: The Lionel clock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7994	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: diesel chassis work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7995	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7996	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] diesel chassis work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7997	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7998	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 7999	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8000	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: diesel chassis work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8001	From: The Reis's	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8002	From: noramz@webtv.net	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: AF diesel bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8003	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] diesel chassis work
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8004	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: LIONEL WRISTWATCH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8005	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Diesel Chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8006	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: Diesel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8007	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8008	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Looking for recommendations for AF Track, Transformer, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8009	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for recommendations for AF Track, Transforme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8010	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rebushing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8011	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8012	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8013	From: Bob Morrison	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Gibert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8014	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8015	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: looking for recommendations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8016	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rebushing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8017	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8018	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8019	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO and 'Off Topic' in general
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8020	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8021	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Campo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8022	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Campo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8023	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Campo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8024	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: HO Poll thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8025	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: HO Poll Thoughts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8026	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8027	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Poll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8028	From: Ron Brady	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: H O POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8029	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Flyer HO on list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8030	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8031	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] H O POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8032	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8033	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8034	From: Yost, Roy	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: 915
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8035	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] H O POLL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8036	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8037	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8038	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8039	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Getting Back to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8040	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting Back to S Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8041	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8042	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 594
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8043	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: HO on S-trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8044	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8045	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: brushes and springs galore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8046	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] brushes and springs galore
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8047	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8048	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Ertl/ Racing Champions 1/64th '58 Chevys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8049	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Corrugated panel gondolas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8050	From: Novak, William	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8051	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ertl/ Racing Champions 1/64th '58 Chevys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8052	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO and S guage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8053	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 596
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8054	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Fwd: Train store shopping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8055	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: what is it about S-gaugers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8056	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 596
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8057	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: what is it about S-gaugers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8058	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Chicago Cubs and ACG
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8059	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: ON30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8060	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: One More for HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8061	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Looking for AF transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8062	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: more bubbles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8063	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Train store shopping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8064	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: more bubbles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8065	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] more bubbles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8066	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8067	From: Bob Morrison	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8068	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: On30 conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8069	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: More Bubbles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8070	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what is it about S-gaugers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8071	From: John Craft	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what is it about S-gaugers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8072	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: The unusually high cost of shipping. Is this legal?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8073	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Alternate load for AM flat car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8074	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8075	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Rex 2-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8076	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: S Gauge, Gilbert HO & Erector / GATS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8077	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8078	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: 930CABOOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8079	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8080	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?--YES!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8081	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8082	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Shameless plug for eBay auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8083	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8084	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: 500th Member Drumroll....................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8085	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8086	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?--YES!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8087	From: Terry Harrison	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8088	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: another vote for Flyer HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8089	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: HO on list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8090	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: Whacked out eBay prices
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8091	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Remembering stuff, like the 930 variation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8092	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: GILBERT ALL THE WAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8093	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: AM Streamline K4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8094	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: HO on this list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8095	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: New Catalog; York; MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8096	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8097	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8098	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: welcome Paul
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8099	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: ALPS Printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8100	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8101	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8102	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: POSTAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8104	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8105	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Am I missing something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8106	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8107	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8108	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: AF dealer pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8109	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8110	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: My Ebay high shipping cost story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8111	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ALPS Printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8112	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8113	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8114	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8115	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8116	From: russcalla@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 599
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8117	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8118	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Shipping Charges
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8119	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: comfortable pricing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8120	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8121	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My Ebay high shipping cost story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8122	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Am I missing something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8123	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8124	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8125	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformers: Watts vs Volt-Amps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8126	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8127	From: JOPKE, WALTER	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8128	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8129	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8130	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Photos from the Bristol Club April Meeting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8131	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: My Ebay high shipping cost story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8132	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8133	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Watch Your Vols, Dolts / Check Your Amps, Champs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8134	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformer power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8135	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: My Ebay high shipping cost story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8136	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: HIGH COST OF SHIPPING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8137	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8138	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: SHS SW-9 Trainset
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8139	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Blatant ebay ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8140	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: AM loco conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8141	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: re-using priority USPS boxes & little green aliens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8142	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8143	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8144	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8145	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8146	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Rub-on Transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8147	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8148	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Transformer power- [last line typo corrected]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8149	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: armature orientation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8150	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8151	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: fastdr in reverse than forward
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8152	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Watch Your Vols, Dolts / Check Your Amps, Champs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8153	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: SHS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8154	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8155	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8156	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: Blatant ebay ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8157	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Wheel swap
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8158	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Blatant ebay ads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8159	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8160	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My Ebay high shipping cost story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8161	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Chat with Lionel Pres Dick Maddox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8162	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8163	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8164	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8165	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8166	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8167	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: talk to Dick at L Thursday night
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8168	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8169	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Paper you sent me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8170	From: dlich	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: chat with the lion----el
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8171	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8172	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: BLATANT EbAY ADS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8173	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Need: original thick link coupler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8174	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8175	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATANT EbAY ADS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8176	From: John Craft	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATANT EbAY ADS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8177	From: Gerhart, Paul	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8178	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Maddox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8179	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8180	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox chat--how'd it go??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8181	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8182	From: dlich	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: maddox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8183	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] maddox- Moderator's bias
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8184	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: 360/364 Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8185	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: What happened next??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8186	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What happened next??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8187	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Just A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8188	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8189	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Great Trains/Dick Maddox fiaSco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8190	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Radio Control Racing Champions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8191	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox fiaSco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8192	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Trains/Dick Maddox fiaSco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8193	From: Mac	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8194	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just A Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8195	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8196	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8197	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8198	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: Dave's insight re: AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8199	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: "L" questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8200	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Slow start
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8201	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Lionel Stock?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8202	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: want to trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8203	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8204	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] want to trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8205	From: Mac	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8206	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Watch that watch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8207	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF by Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8208	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8209	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: More Xmas Lights Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8210	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: s-train trader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8211	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Mad Ox
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8212	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8213	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: Watch that watch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8214	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Watch that watch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8215	From: Richard	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Che Guevara Prize!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8216	From: Hannon	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Using WD-40 on Armatures ... DON'T!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8217	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: NPSG MARCH NEWSLETTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8218	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8219	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: AF By Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8220	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More Xmas Lights Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8221	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Switch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8222	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: WHATS IN A NAME
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8223	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8224	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: L
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8225	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8226	From: John Denholm	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Trains & Spring Tyme
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8227	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: whitewall repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8228	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8229	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Notes from Dick Maddox chat session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8230	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Caboose???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8231	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Western Union Series
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8232	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Caboose???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8233	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Little Engine that Could
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8234	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: lionel and S-gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8235	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and S-gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8236	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8237	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8238	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8239	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Models for Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8240	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Models for Convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8241	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8242	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] whitewalls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8243	From: john foley	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: Paul Stevens
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8244	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: NIMCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8245	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: Re: NIMCO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8246	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8247	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: 69 foot woodchip hopper car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8248	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8249	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Coupler pockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8250	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Harsh Rebuttal by Mr CZ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8251	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8252	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT--TRUCE TIME!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8253	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8254	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: Nimco kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8255	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: S Scale Photo's Needed at Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8256	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8257	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8258	From: dlich	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8259	From: dlich	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: lionel etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8260	From: john foley	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Scale Photo's Needed at Walthers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8261	From: Bill Rigsby	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: S-Design Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8262	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: AAUGH!! New job interferes with train-web time!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8263	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: catalog date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8264	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: catalog date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8265	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: 360/364 Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8266	From: john foley	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Joke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8267	From: scott griggs	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Letters to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8268	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Letters to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8269	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Letters to Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8270	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8271	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8272	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] catalog date
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8273	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: manoil coupes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8274	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 360/364 Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8275	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Grown Men
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8276	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: F-9 Field resistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8277	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360 warm up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8278	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360/364 whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8279	From: Ron Brady	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Advancing S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8280	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360 warm up etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8281	From: dlich	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: lionel and model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8282	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Railroad Related Links
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8283	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8284	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8285	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: AF wayside station cart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8286	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8287	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: B.T.S. Project Updates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8288	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8289	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8290	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8291	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8292	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8293	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8294	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: HO259 station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8295	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8296	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8297	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8298	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: The future of "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8300	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: ADVANCING S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8301	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: ADVANCING S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8302	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: S gauge U-boats
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8303	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: why waste time with Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8304	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: product availability
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8305	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: why waste time with Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8306	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SD-40
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8307	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: why waste time with Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8308	From: John Craft	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: why waste time with Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Flyer is dead?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8310	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: What the industry really thinks of S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8311	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8312	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: the right Scale for model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8313	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO259 station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8315	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8316	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] BNSF on Warpath
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8317	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8318	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Starter Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8319	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals -N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8320	From: Tom Young	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Lionel, Phooey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8321	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: the lionel bru-ha-ha
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8322	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel, Phooey
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8323	From: john foley	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: 3rd Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8324	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO 0-6-0
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8325	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: production of a SD-40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8326	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8327	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8328	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8329	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8330	From: Richard	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8331	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: It takes more than a train set...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8332	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: PRODUCTION OF MODERN ERA DIESEL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8333	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8334	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8335	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Horn/diesel roar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8336	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: production of a SD-40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8337	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Horn/diesel roar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8338	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Track Availablility
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8339	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Horn/diesel roar operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8340	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: SW-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8341	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: production of a SD-40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8342	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Pewter
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8343	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: NP NC Ltd.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8344	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Shipping Status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8345	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: 360 with factory axle bushings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8346	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 360 with factory axle bushings?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8347	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: not only on E-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8348	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: SHS Message board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8349	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: McDonalds vs Taco Bell]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8350	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: McDonalds vs Taco Bell]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8351	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keyed bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8352	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: production of a SD-40-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8353	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Ho Loco Auction - update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8354	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Taco Bellofa mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8355	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: The 290 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8356	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Homestead WEB Page
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8357	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Subject: Taco Bell ofa mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8358	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: New or old.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8359	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Horn/diesel roar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8360	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Diesel wish list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8361	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: 290 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8362	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 620
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8363	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8364	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8365	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8366	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8367	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8368	From: John Craft	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8369	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8370	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8371	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8372	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8373	From: James Roberts	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: PRIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8374	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: errors!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8375	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: PRIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8376	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: New or old.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8377	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8378	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: New or old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8379	From: jsbmlb@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8380	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8381	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: New or old
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8382	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: B.T.S. S Sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8383	From: Jack Sink	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8384	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8385	From: Cathy Pendleton	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Track Planning CAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8386	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/7/2000
Subject: ebay under investigation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8387	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/7/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8388	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: S-Helper's F-3's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8389	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] AF prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8390	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [S-Scale] AF prototypes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8391	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Flyer in a cage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8392	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8393	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8394	From: judy messinger	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Western Maryland Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8395	From: John Craft	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western Maryland Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8396	From: James Roberts	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Fw: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8397	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western Maryland Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8398	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: FLYER IN A CAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8399	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: Flyer in a cage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8400	From: John Denholm	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: S.I.T
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8401	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: S.I.T. unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8402	From: john foley	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: NASG Renewal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8403	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: 752 coal loader parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8404	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: New S Scale People
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8405	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Denver's Big Boy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8406	From: Hannon	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: AF S.I.T Unit for $35???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8407	From: John Denholm	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 626
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8408	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: 172 rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8409	From: Joseph H Mcleish	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: s track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8410	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SIT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8411	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8412	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8413	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8414	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: it is not flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8415	From: Bob Wight	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Thanks Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8416	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8417	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: it is not flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8418	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: it is not flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8419	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8420	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 628
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8421	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: NPSG APRIL NEWSLETTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8422	From: john foley	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: TRAINMASTER!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8423	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: subscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8424	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: TRIANMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8425	From: Richard	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8426	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8427	From: Richard	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8428	From: James B. Miller	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: TRAINMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8429	From: James B. Miller	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: RS1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8430	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8431	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF S.I.T Unit for $35???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8432	From: William H Trefts	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: S.I.T. Unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8433	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Rails USA dot com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8434	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8435	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8436	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8437	From: John Craft	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: American Models 2 Bay Hopper Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8438	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] American Models 2 Bay Hopper Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8439	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: Wheel replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8440	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: Trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8441	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: PS-2 Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8442	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Question: How to get my 293 to smoke better?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8443	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: pike-master transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8444	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] pike-master transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8445	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question: How to get my 293 to smoke better?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8446	From: M.McConnell	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: So THAT's a Trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8447	From: SABraker@webtv.net	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Pickup Assembly for Docksider.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8448	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Pickup Assembly for Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8449	From: Hannon	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: #293 Smoke Unit Repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8450	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pickup (sticks) assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8451	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] pickup (sticks) assembly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8452	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: smoke'n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8453	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: docksider repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8454	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: So THAT's a Trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8455	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: New Items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8456	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Arrival of the E.B.T. 0-6-0 Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8457	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pick up sticks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8458	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pick up sticks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8459	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: falling trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8460	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Hoppers Panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8461	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8462	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: trainmaster correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8463	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trainmaster correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8464	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trainmaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8465	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: A question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8467	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Trip to Virginia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8468	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8469	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8470	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: more than you probably want to know about FM Train Masters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8471	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: K-Line AF Flyer Repair Manual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8472	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Personal Sacrifices for Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8473	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 626
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8474	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: american flyer sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8475	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line AF Flyer Repair Manual
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8476	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8477	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: 768 Oil Depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8478	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: 768 oil depot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8479	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8480	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoker dies
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8481	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Docksider pickups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8482	From: judy messinger	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: repainting locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8483	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: repainting locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8484	From: M.McConnell	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Club Activities
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8485	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: Answers to a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8486	From: The Reis's	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8487	From: robert_jio	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8488	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Autographed A C Gilbert Paradise Book on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8489	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Trip to Dallas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8490	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: american flyer sales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8491	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: K-line book, and sparking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8492	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: smoke'n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8493	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Answers to a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8494	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: DARN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8495	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: DARN!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8496	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: E.B.T. 0-6-0 Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8497	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Answers to a question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8498	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: more answers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8499	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: more answers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8500	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8501	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: buys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8502	From: The Reis'	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Autographed A C Gilbert Paradise Book on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8503	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: AF Clip Art?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8504	From: The Reis'	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] buys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8505	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Clip Art?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8506	From: William Lane Jr	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: A C Gilbert autographed book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8507	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8508	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Buys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8509	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Wheel Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8510	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] KC trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8511	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8512	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8513	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8514	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 5/20/2000
Subject: Fw: Re: hoso.html
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8515	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8516	From: hollyandroses	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: 1909 Union Pacific document for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8517	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: A C Gilbert Autograph - Buyer Beware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8518	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8519	From: John Craft	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert Autograph - Buyer Beware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8520	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2000
Subject: A.C. Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8521	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/23/2000
Subject: Marx Gondola
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8522	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Wye Turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8523	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Wye turnout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8524	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Decals printed on the Alps printer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8525	From: Fred Alles	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: American Flyer in Raleigh, NC or Tocson, AZ??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8526	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Trainweb.com
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8527	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 640
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8528	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: TGTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8529	From: Allen Evans	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: ABOUT WYE TRACK
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8530	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8531	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8532	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8533	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: 19B problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8534	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TGTS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8535	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 641
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8536	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Who's on first?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8537	From: Scott Brown	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8538	From: Scott Brown	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8539	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 642
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8540	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: emote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8541	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] emote
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8542	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8543	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8544	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: AM GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8545	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Clarification of B.T.S. S scale Projects
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8546	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8547	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: 19B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8548	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 642
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8549	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: 19B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8550	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8551	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8552	From: michael prell	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8553	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: AF Groups
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8554	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8555	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Need An Idea
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8556	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: A short comment about circuit breakers.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8557	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Clearance Info?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8558	From: Mac	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Pennsy
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8559	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Re: Clearance Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8560	From: tabascox@junksmile.com	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: simple game: dispatching a 7 blocks signal system, loco depot sched
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8561	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Soldering techniques
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8562	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8563	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Re: [Otrains] Digest Number 565
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8564	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: CLEARANCE INFO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8565	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Tunnel Clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8566	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tunnel Clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8567	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 645
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8568	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: HO Flyer Stuff on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8569	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Clearance Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8570	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Correction: Clearance Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8571	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8572	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: AD: Diecast / Videos / Books
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8573	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: California Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8574	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8575	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] California Zephyr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8576	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: clearance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8577	From: Eric Child	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Layout Plan?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8578	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Boys Railroad Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8579	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clearance Info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8580	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: [Fwd: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scales]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8581	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: More Soldering Tips & Hints
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8582	From: hollyandroses	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: ebay listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8583	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Flyer opperators who like a lot of weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8584	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer opperators who like a lot of weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8585	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Re: eBay HO listing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8586	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Rooms available for NASG convention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8587	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Baldwin weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8588	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin weight
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8589	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: American Flyer Antique Train Set & accessorie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8590	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8591	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: "The Tehchapi Loop"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8593	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8594	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8595	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8596	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Pikemaster track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8597	From: James Bartelt	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: FA: American Flyer Pikemaster train set #20765 on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: PIKEMASTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8599	From: Allen Evans	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Re: Securing SHS Track Onto Grades & Elevations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8600	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Replacing Missing Roller from 732 (734) Operating Baggage (Box) Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8601	From: honkelrs	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: A C Valu S gauge compatible track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8602	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Fw: TrainMaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8603	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Re: New "S"tuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8604	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Pikemaster
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8605	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Escargot (S-car go)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8606	From: Scott Brown	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Manassas Rail Festival
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8607	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: S Fest 2000 Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8608	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Flyer freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8609	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8610	From: Unknown	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8611	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: LC to KC conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8612	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Coon Gap Sawmill Status
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8613	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 645
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8614	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8615	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LC to KC conversions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8616	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: "A kink in the knee"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8617	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "A kink in the knee"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8618	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8619	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Jeff Gordon from amazon
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8620	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: First Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8621	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Cad Drawing program - Free
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8622	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: New Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8623	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: So?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8624	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] So?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8625	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8626	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Re: So?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8627	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8628	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Trucks for sale on eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8629	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trainmasters
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8630	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: S in the Mainstream - CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8631	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: An alternative to "A kink in the knee"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8632	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: Link couplers that don't stay coupled
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8633	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S in the Mainstream - CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8634	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: ATSF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8635	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Congrats to the ACSG!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8636	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S in the Mainstream - CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8637	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATSF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8638	From: D Simon	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Value help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8639	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Boise show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8640	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Streamlined K4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8641	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: New List
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8642	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: New On-line Dealer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8643	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Streamlined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8644	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] HESS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8645	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New On-line Dealer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8646	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8647	From: John Craft	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Streamlined
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8648	From: John Craft	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Model Railroad News
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8649	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S, & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8650	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] ATSF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8651	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Flyer Track Gang Accessory on e-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8652	From: Don Abrams	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: timbauerrarecoins alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8653	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: flyer want list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8654	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Track Gang Accessory on e-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8655	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: OOPS!! My firs post in a while and I forgot to change the title!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8656	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 654
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8657	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] timbauerrarecoins alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8658	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: timbauerrarecoins alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8659	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: dry transfers and milk car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8660	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: dry transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8661	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Hess Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8662	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8663	From: M.McConnell	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Streamlined K4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8664	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: dry transfers, 973 milk car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8665	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: tim bauer and his rare kerns
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8666	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Other E-bay problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8667	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hess Truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8668	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Streamlined K-4
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8669	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Hess Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8670	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Speaking of K-4's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8671	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Need your input!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8672	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: e-mail server problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8673	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer want list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8674	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Hess truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8675	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: timbaurerrarecoins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8676	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: dealer support
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8677	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: egroups "toytrains" list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8678	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] egroups "toytrains" list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8679	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: 21156 dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8680	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Fw: Monday Work Session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8681	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8682	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21156 dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8683	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: smoke unit ...21156...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8684	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: timbaurerrarecoins
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8685	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Docksider smoke Re: Digest Number 658 .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8686	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: American Models GP35 derailing fixed (old topic)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8687	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Interesting Purchase
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8688	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8689	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8690	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Mounting Ertl GP truck sides to Railmaster Drives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8691	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8692	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8693	From: Allen Evans	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Roofing Granules / Anti-Skid Grit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Roofing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8695	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: AF MERGER SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8696	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8697	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: collection for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8698	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF MERGER SETS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8699	From: pking@wcl.on.ca	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Ballast For High Rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8700	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Ballast or Coal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8701	From: M.McConnell	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: K4 at Altoona
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8702	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Matte Medium, and Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8703	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Panel Truck and Flat Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8704	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Panel Truck and Flat Kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8705	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 660
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8706	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: 1/64th 1957 Chrysler 300C
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8707	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Wanted: URL to module picture showing LEMAX buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8708	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: 1/64th Racing Champs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8709	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: The Dark Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8710	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Dark Side
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8711	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8712	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: ROOFING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8713	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Fw: Monday Work Session
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8714	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: "excellent" car on ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8715	From: hollyandroses	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: "excellent" NP car on ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8716	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Lemax Village
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8717	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Expanding molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8718	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "excellent" car on ebay...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8719	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Expanding molds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8720	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Great Train Store info & alert for Bay Area (CA) members
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8721	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8722	From: billlane@snip.net	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Dick Tracy Cop car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8723	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] roofing granules
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8724	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: puzzle mold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8725	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: puzzle mold
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8726	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: be aware
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8727	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8728	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8729	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: AF Prewar TIN and 3/16ths O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8730	From: john foley	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8731	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: J. Haenn's Lemax Link Is The One Ingram Needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8732	From: john foley	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Trainmaster Body photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8733	From: William H Trefts	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8734	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: S Scale Bobber Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8735	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8736	From: john foley	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8737	From: Michael Greene	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8738	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8739	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8740	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Train Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8741	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Clearwater Florida
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8742	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8743	From: Tom Bangs	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr's passing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8744	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Re List Of Model Train Museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8745	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8746	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8747	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8748	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC 647 CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8749	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Hess / AF 715
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8750	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8751	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8752	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8753	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Ernie's Last Run
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8754	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: Loco's in strange places
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8755	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco's in strange places
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8756	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Fwd: Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8757	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8758	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: Test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8759	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: winross
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8760	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: clean up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8761	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: BOOK SHOPS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8762	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8763	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: S-Figures & Ertl Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8764	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8765	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8766	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8767	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8768	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8769	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: S-Figures & Ertl Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8770	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: ERTL TRAIN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8771	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: NS AM Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8772	From: William H Trefts	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: What to see?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8773	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Flyer Geep body
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Re: [ertl]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8775	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Passenger touch-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8776	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Trucks For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8777	From: Charles Sweeney	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8778	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Re: 314AW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8779	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: 314AW Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8780	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: Photos of Jim's Coon Gap Sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8781	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: Tinplate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8782	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: 1998 Hess truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8783	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: New S-train member.....I hope.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8784	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8785	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: : Rail Kids
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8786	From: judy messinger	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Curious?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8787	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Curious?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8788	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] How good are they?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8789	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Baldwin S-8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8790	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8791	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin S-8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8792	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: AM Woodside Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Intermodal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8794	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: 594 track gang workers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8795	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Woodside Caboose
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8796	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin S-8
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8797	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: RMHR & THE 7TH ANNUAL TREASURE VALLEY TRAIN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8798	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Sale Barn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8799	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8800	From: Asano Hida	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Get out and find it!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8801	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8802	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Dons Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8803	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: ...i have seen the greatest layout now!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8804	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8805	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Could it have come that way?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8806	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Could it have come that way?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8807	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: Get out and find it!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8808	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8809	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Could it have come that way?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8810	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Trains in the Movies / Thomas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8811	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: DON'S LAYOUT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8812	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Don's Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8813	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Autorama 88 Race Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8814	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Red, White & Blue Sale!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8815	From: softmoods@vcn.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: AM Cabooses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8816	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Armor All
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8817	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: armor all
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8818	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: ArmorAll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8819	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Ertl Cow Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8820	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: What's in a 5312-T set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8821	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Armor All WARNING!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8822	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: dressings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8823	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's in a 5312-T set???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8824	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Chateau Martin NASG Convention Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8825	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: polishes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8826	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: 350 Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 350 Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8828	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Ertl Cow Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8829	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: pimps& hos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8830	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: No. 763 Mountain Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8831	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 677
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8832	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8833	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: layout building lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8834	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: building lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8835	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Cake decorating stores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8836	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Re: New Wooden "Billboard" Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8837	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ertl Cow Town
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8838	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8839	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8840	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra L Roberts	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Evers Index
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8841	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Re: building lights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8842	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8843	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: 1/64th {and close to it} cars for sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8844	From: James Roberts	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8845	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: lighting inside buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8846	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Meguiars product
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8847	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: lighting buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8848	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: trains and baseball
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8849	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Royal Blue Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8850	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue Passenger set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8851	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Union Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8852	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: foam board + homosote layout construction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8853	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] foam board + homosote layout construction?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8854	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Another Cross Posting from Chris (Chris Cross?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8855	From: john foley	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8856	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: S Helper SW 9
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8857	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another Cross Posting from Chris (Chris Cross?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8858	From: a50flyer@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Foam board layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8859	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Foam Board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8860	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Fw: MHRR Web
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8861	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 681
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8862	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: Great American Train Store - R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8863	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: Ertl and Racing Champions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8864	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: MTH RailKing crossing signals, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8865	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: MTH accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8866	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Metrolina Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8867	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Racing Champions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8868	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: subscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8869	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8870	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8871	From: john foley	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Locomotive diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8872	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8873	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8874	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8875	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8876	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: New Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8877	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: B.T.S. - EBT 0-6-0 Shipment Arrived
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8878	From: Peck	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 684
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8879	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8880	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8881	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] While we debate on what to have built in S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8882	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] While we debate on what to have built
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8883	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8884	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 683
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8885	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: PENN MUSEUM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8886	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8887	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8888	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8889	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8890	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Spree Pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8891	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8892	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: New flat cars with loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8893	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Fwd: NASG Membership Renewal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8894	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Fwd: "S" Spree Pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8895	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Spree Pix
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8896	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Combo post; "Motivation" & "Trains in Movies"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8897	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: B.T.S. Sawmill Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8898	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: where's Gale Hall
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8899	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: New Haven Train Show - Aug 20th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8900	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven Train Show - Aug 20th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8901	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: The Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8902	From: jonmarinello@hotmail.com	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: New Showcase Line eGroups Message Board
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8903	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8904	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Telephone poles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8905	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: The Answer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8906	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8907	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: August 20 Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8908	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8909	From: john foley	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: MR 1999 Readers Choice Awards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8910	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: to get S-Scale on e-bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8911	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Black track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8912	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8913	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8914	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Tunnel Portal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8915	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Pix of AC Gilbert toys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8916	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: eeeeeeeeeeeBAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8917	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Prototype Steam Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8918	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8919	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8920	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Microscale Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8921	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: S on Ebay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8922	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Lost contact
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8923	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Lost contact]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8924	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Cheap Toys & New Haven Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8925	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Trip to ALTOONA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8926	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: museums
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8927	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: new engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8928	From: Peck	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Altoona area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8929	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: loco bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8930	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Summer Blockbuster Movie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8931	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] loco bulbs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8932	From: plotnick	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: SHS and Sam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8933	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Toy Train Meet
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8934	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8935	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8936	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8937	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8938	From: Ron Morris	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: National Museum of Transport in St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8939	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trip to ALTOONA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8940	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8941	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 691
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8942	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8943	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8944	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8945	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: creeping engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8946	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: creeping engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8947	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8948	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: AF Steamer restoration/ Transformer Travesty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8949	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: steamer restoration/transformer travesty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8950	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: steamers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8951	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: AM steamer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8952	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer Travesty
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8953	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap -Scott Brown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8954	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap -Scott Brown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8955	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Great Scenery tip. Thanks Wayne!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8956	From: Stan S.	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Scenery tip. Thanks Wayne!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8957	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Fwd: Tom & Chris Train Post on Transformers (reply)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8958	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 690
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8959	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Transformer phasing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8960	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8961	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: SHS UP Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8962	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8963	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS UP Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8964	From: judy messinger	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: "Stamp Act"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8965	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rubber stamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8966	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: "Stamp Act"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8967	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8968	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rubber stamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8969	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Number Stamps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8970	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8971	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8972	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Sale on American Flyer Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8973	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: voltage spikes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8974	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: transformers and sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8975	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Typo in : "Stamp Act"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8976	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: MOVs and voltage spikes (long)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8977	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Stamping AF after repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8978	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Stamping AF after repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8979	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: voltage spikes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8980	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Stamping AF after repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8981	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Lionel/MTH track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8982	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8983	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs.Electromechenical Reverse Units???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8984	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8985	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8986	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8987	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs.Electromechenical Reverse Units???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8988	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Tenders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8989	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs. Electromechanical-AC vs DC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8990	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track Trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8991	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] R/S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8992	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: AC/DC & Ask Jeeves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8993	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stamping AF after repainting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8994	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: AM horn on all the time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8995	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8996	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8997	From: finerty, paul	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: digest 696 comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8998	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: R/C switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 8999	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: MRC transformer question #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9000	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: Transformers and Sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9001	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: R/C switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9002	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: DC and AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9003	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: AM GG1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9004	From: 355akoci	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9005	From: The Reis's	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9006	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9007	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Digest Number 412
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9008	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 697
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9009	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: The value/grading of items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9010	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] [Fwd: [S-Trains] AM GG1]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9011	From: dlich	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: grading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9012	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Axle problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9013	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: MTH track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9014	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: RAILWAY ADVENTURES ACROSS AUSTRALIA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9015	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9016	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9017	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: MRC transformer question #2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9018	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9019	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9020	From: S. C. Williamson	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: ITAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9021	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9022	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 697
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9023	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: The value/grading of items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9024	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9025	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: steamer restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9026	From: Peck	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH ITAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9027	From: Peck	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tender axles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9028	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9029	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: 20% Off Sale Reminder
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9030	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9031	From: M.McConnell	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: MRC027 power units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9032	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: tender axles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9033	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9034	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: oddball armature - do you recognize it?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9035	From: Peck	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: tender axles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9036	From: Peck	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grading.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9037	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Ace Bearings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9038	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 697 switch controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9039	From: pauljam@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: MTH IR track activation device
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9040	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: things to do in new haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9041	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Transformer phasing & Hudson Tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9042	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: Grading.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9043	From: Peck	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH ITAD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9044	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9045	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: MTH TAD Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9046	From: Michael Greene	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sale Barn
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9047	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: Ace Bearings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9048	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 700
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9049	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F."O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9050	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: Ace Bearings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9051	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Fw: Transfers for Am Flyer 490 and 492 Alco Diesels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9052	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Dry Transfers for NP 4909/492
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9053	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Parallel transformers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9054	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9055	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9056	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9057	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F."O" disintigration and future of all S stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9058	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parallel transformers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9059	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parallel transformers?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9060	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. "O"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9061	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9062	From: William Daughton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9063	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9064	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Chassie for An Alco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9065	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E-Commerce
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9066	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9067	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E-Commerce
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9068	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Acronyms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9069	From: Peck	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 701
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9070	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge Herald
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9071	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9072	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: O-gauge disintegration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9073	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: The Midshipment posting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9074	From: john foley	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9075	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9076	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Thanks, Joe and Doug.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9077	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: unsubscribe til 8/6
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9078	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O-gauge disintegration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9079	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: RShack sensor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9080	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: AF 670 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9081	From: john foley	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9082	From: Peck	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Downs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9083	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: R/C for 720 A switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9084	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] R/C for 720 A switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9085	From: John	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Cast Pot metal train repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9086	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Topo Maps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9087	From: Roger Zuerlein	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Topo maps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9088	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 701
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9089	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Thanks and Lionel Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9090	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: More on Disintegration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9091	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Re: SHS reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9092	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Blue Mountain Hobbies Turntable??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9093	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Fw: 490/492 dry transfers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9094	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: C-D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9095	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: 283 C&NW Engine Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9096	From: john foley	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Blue Mountain Hobbies Turntable??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9097	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 283 C&NW Engine Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9098	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: 283 C&NW Engine Restoration
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9099	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9100	From: William H Trefts	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Stuck 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9101	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Locked gears?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9102	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: C-D trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9103	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9104	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: cleveland models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9105	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 704
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9106	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9107	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9108	From: judy messinger	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Just curious?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9109	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just curious?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9110	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: S -Scale figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9111	From: Mike Scherpenberg	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Need Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9112	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9113	From: joe micks	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Calculator!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9114	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: F units in Cleveland
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9115	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Trees
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9116	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Stuck 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9117	From: Peck	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gabe parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9118	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9119	From: rwalton53@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9120	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9121	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: 'Stuck' 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9122	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9123	From: William H Trefts	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Stuck 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9124	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Prototype S Parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9125	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Re: C-D
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9126	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: AF Stockyard adjusting
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9127	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9128	From: Peck	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9129	From: S. C. Williamson	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9130	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9131	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philadelphia!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9132	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: new email address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9133	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Log loader boost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9134	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9135	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9136	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Gilbert Annual Year Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9137	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Heavyweights and other things.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 21156 dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9139	From: rwalton53@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21156 dockside
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9140	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philadelphia!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9141	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Phi
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9142	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in P h
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9143	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: New email address.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9144	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Phi
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9145	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader boost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9146	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9147	From: Peck	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9148	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 751
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9149	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going to California n
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9150	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9151	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: UP Pass Train
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9152	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 2 union Pacific F9 units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9153	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9154	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9155	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 log loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9156	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] link coupler to knuckle
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9157	From: 5fans@madscape.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 26671 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9158	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 26671 track trip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9159	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: New Theory Proposed on Casey Jones Wreck Photograph
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9160	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 2 union Pacific F9 units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9161	From: The Reis's	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9162	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9163	From: internethilfe	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: internethelp/tools
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9164	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: UP cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9165	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9166	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] RE: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9167	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: U30B shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9168	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9169	From: Ken Sunderland	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gauge Heralds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9170	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: code 172, N S, New Track and Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9171	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald issues
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9172	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9173	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9174	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: AF Steamer Restoration--Engine stalls
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9175	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: small smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9176	From: James C. Knight	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: S-Helper Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9177	From: Scott Perry	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9178	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9179	From: John	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Loco Shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9180	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9181	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9182	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9183	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9184	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9185	From: dlich	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: tt scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9186	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9187	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: San Jose Convention Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9188	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: SSL&S Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9189	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific E9 units W/Passenger cars Going to Califor...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9190	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Books on American Flyer Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9191	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9192	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9193	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: AF 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9194	From: Peck	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Franklin smoke element
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9195	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Scale structure needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9196	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] San Jose Convention Report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9197	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: AF FLAT CAR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9198	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Turntable drive
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9199	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9200	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9201	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific E9 units W/Passenger cars Going to California
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9202	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Lionel Freebee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9203	From: Eric Child	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9204	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Super motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9205	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: AC-12 Cab Forwards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9206	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Super motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9207	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Posting Pictures of UP train.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9208	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: TCA Frisco boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9209	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Super motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9210	From: John Roman Faron	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: 370s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9211	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: RSSVP Canada Starch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9212	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Super motor update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9213	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Photos of S-Helper S-Trax Closed-Frog SWITCHES (3rd-Party-Built)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9214	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: (retry) Photos of S-Helper S-Trax Closed-Frog Switches (3rd-Party-B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9215	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Scenery unlimited Wilson billboard refrigerator
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9216	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: Colors of wooden "Billboard" reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9217	From: Peck	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP7 KC Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9218	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 283
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9219	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Speaking of buzzes.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9220	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: What not to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9221	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Reefer delivery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9222	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Gluing American Models Shells
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9223	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What not to do
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9224	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speaking of buzzes.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9225	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: David Dewey's Convention pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9226	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Dc for reversing coils/ac to motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9227	From: Stan S.	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: Heljan Brewery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9228	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: an answer for ya
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9229	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] National S Scale Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9230	From: michael prell	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] National S Scale Day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9231	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Super Motor Project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9232	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Colors of wooden "Billboard" reefers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9233	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9234	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: NASG IN SAN JOSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9236	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9237	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9238	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9239	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re-Subscribe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9240	From: M.McConnell	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here's a nice project. . .apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9241	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9242	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9243	From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr.	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9244	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9245	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9246	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9247	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 721
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9248	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9249	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: NASG and promoting S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9250	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9251	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9252	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: New Haven Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9253	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: NASG Promotions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9254	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: on-line photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9255	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: O Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9256	From: Ken Sunderland	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9257	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: More Convention Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9259	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Washington D.C. area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9260	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9261	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG and promoting S
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9262	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: 24558 xmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9263	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: S Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9264	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: NASG PROMOTING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9265	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: PRR Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9266	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9267	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9268	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9269	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9270	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Run trains this weekend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9271	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9272	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9273	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9274	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 722
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9275	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: flanges and couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9276	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Washington D.C. area
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9277	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flanges and couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9278	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9279	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Wanted Ideas for an article for Atomic Magazine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9280	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24558 xmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9281	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: HOBBY STORES DISTRIBUTING, INC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9282	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Pet Pieve
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9283	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: 21234
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9284	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 722
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9285	From: James Roberts	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9286	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The "Perfect" Answer?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9287	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9288	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: New Haven Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9289	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: single switch controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9290	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Desendants
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9291	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9292	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9293	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: single switch controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9294	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] single switch controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9295	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A. C. Gilbert Desendants
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9296	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: NEW HAVEN SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9297	From: Peck	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9298	From: Peck	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ACG descendants
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9299	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: single lever control
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9300	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: PRR Torpedo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9301	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] single switch controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9302	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9303	From: M.McConnell	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: single switch controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9304	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9305	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9306	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9307	From: john foley	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: New Haven
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9308	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert Year Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9309	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: scratchbuilt freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9310	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9311	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9312	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Ertl Farm stuff 1/64th
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9313	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: A BIZARRE NOTE ABOUT SCALES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9314	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Ringing Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9315	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A Bizarre note about scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9316	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ringing Bell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9317	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: ertl buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9318	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9319	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: ertl buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9320	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: AM 2-6-2 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9321	From: Daniel Neumayer	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Need turntable and engine house
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9322	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM 2-6-2 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9323	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM 2-6-2 Pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9324	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: Web Site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9325	From: andy lorince	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: CVSGA Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9326	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: New American Models ABA Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9327	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: More New Haven Pictures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9328	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: 290 problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9329	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: 290's and I must be an idiot!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9330	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: AM New Roadnames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9331	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290's and I must be an idiot!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9332	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 726
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9333	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Motor smoking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9334	From: finerty, paul	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 730
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9335	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Capacitive Discharge for Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9336	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: fall S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9337	From: hgbutler	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Rochester Area S Gaugers Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9338	From: john foley	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Rochester Area S Gaugers Website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9339	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: parts diagrams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9340	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitive Discharge for Turnouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9341	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9342	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: 21004 diagram
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9343	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9344	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: New Haven 2000 - The Webpages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9345	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat Sunday
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9346	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9347	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Re: Reefer and "special run cars" update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9348	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9349	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Train Circuit design web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9350	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: the "syndrome" and rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9351	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Rewinding tip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9352	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: AF 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9353	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] the "syndrome" and rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9354	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] the "syndrome" and rewinding
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9355	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rewinding tip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9356	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 734
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9357	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: rewinding tip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9358	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9359	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 293
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9360	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: railroad electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9361	From: Steve Jones	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Fw: Fest Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9362	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: S Gaugian arrived, sort of. . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9363	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugian arrived, sort of. . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9364	From: John Conant	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: railroad electronics
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9365	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 735
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9366	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9367	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Faster in reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9368	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Faster in reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9369	From: Tom Young	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: S-Trains] Faster in reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9370	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9371	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: REV/FWD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9372	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: Faster in reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9373	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: REV/FWD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9374	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: FASTER IN REVERSE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9375	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9376	From: andy lorince	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: 322 pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9377	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: O. Winston Link - RR photographer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9378	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9379	From: corcoran@wcoil.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: It's been ok - Just ok
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9380	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Changing out a wheel on the lead truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9381	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Changing out a wheel on the lead truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9382	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9383	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9384	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Radio Shack 2001 Catalog
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9385	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O. Winston Link - RR photographer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9386	From: Peck	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lil flaps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9387	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9388	From: Peck	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9389	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 737
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9390	From: Don Abrams	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: 322 Pulling Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9391	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lil flaps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9392	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 Pulling Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9393	From: Jeff	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: AM Rock Island
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9394	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Promoting S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9395	From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr.	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 Pulling Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9396	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: AM Rock Island
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9397	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: pulling power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9398	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 737
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9399	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 738
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9400	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: 322 Pulling Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9401	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: Oil on rails
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9402	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 322 Pulling Power
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9403	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9404	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: California today!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9405	From: john foley	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9406	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Erector car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9407	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Ebay item
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9408	From: Naper@worldnet.att.net	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Guage Sets VoL. lll
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9409	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9410	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9411	From: Steve Jones	Date: 9/3/2000
Subject: Fw: dorfan 1924 owner seeking ?'s
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9412	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Greenbergs AF Vol III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9413	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: SHS and AM with long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9414	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS and AM with long trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9415	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Set Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9416	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: AF326 large motor brush springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9417	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: A Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9418	From: John H. Benton	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: AF 322
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9419	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF326 large motor brush springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9420	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer Set Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9421	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer Set Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9422	From: babbitt@BMCWest.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9423	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9424	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9425	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 326 springs and Vol III
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9426	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 336 heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9427	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Pull More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9428	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: British Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9429	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: 19th Annual Fall Get-together
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9430	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Hot -Windings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9431	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Hot, Hot,Hot
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9432	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: Pull More
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9433	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: 30B transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9434	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 30B transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9435	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: I'm baaaaaack!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9436	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9437	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9438	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: SHS beginning of wisdom
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9439	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: SSL&S web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9440	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9441	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Thanks for the replies about my 290
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9442	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: subscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9443	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Re: S scale business opportunity
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9444	From: John H. Benton	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: 30B transformer question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9445	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Promoting S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9446	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Promoting S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9447	From: robert wight	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Animated Station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9448	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: SOLVENT & OTHER CLEANER QUESTIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9449	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: Re: SOLVENT & OTHER CLEANER QUESTIONS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9450	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: The #'s are climbing (members on the list)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9451	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: two new great "S" box cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9452	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: PROMOTING S GAUGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9453	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: HEADS UP GUYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9454	From: Ron Brady	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HEADS UP GUYS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9455	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANT WINTER SET INFO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9456	From: John	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track "Flex track"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9457	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 747
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9458	From: starr007	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: a.f gp7 shell
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9459	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: LeMax Village buildings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9460	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Tank conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9461	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9462	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Winter Wonderland Picture
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9463	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9464	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Gargraves Track Flex track]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9465	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Fw: York Rt. 30
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9466	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9467	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: E-bay scams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9468	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 748
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9469	From: marc mccarron	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9470	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9471	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9472	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Need some info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9473	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9474	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: HO Tank Car Conversion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9475	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: S Gaugian auction article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9476	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Contribution
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9477	From: david s garber	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: trucks on 24323
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9478	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: E-bay scams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9479	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Be a list sponsor??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9480	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Your Track is a Model Too,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9481	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: VISIT COVENTRY TRAINS ON LINE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9482	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9483	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugian auction article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9484	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9485	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: lots of train links here
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9486	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-bay scams
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9487	From: robert wight	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: E-Bay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9488	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: eBay hah, hah
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9489	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay hah, hah
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9490	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9491	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Tonka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9492	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9493	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Regarding my posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9494	From: john foley	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: NASG Renewals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9495	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Best wishes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9496	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Tonka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9497	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9498	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Buy Trains Toll Free - No Fear!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9499	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Fwd: Coats foam with a hard coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9500	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9501	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Regarding my posts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9502	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Tonka
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9503	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Spam (not for eating)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9504	From: Peck	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] decal postings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9505	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: York Registration Card Scan needed...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9506	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coats foam with a hard coat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9507	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Oddball's Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9508	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: Anti-spam test
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9509	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: subscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9510	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: Promoting S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9511	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Background
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9512	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Background
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9513	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: on-line Library Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9514	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Fw: military vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9515	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: military vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9516	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Background
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9517	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: wind-up A.F.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9518	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: circus stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9519	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Chat Sunday Night
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9520	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: military vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9521	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Spam, scrapple, and other eastern Pennsylvania atuff.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9522	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: CASEY JONES VILLAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9523	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Re: Fall Get-together hotel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9524	From: Rog	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Circus vehicles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9525	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: wanted info/pics of the Deluth, Missabi & Iron Range Railway Co.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9526	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9527	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: instant horizons?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9528	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: scrapple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9529	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] instant horizons?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9530	From: Stan S.	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] instant horizons?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9531	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Circus Digest Number 754
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9532	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9533	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Sniping again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9534	From: Tom Young	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: S-Trax layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9536	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9537	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9538	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9539	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9540	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9541	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: don't get left behind
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9542	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: shoo fly- -
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9543	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9544	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Offer to S-Trains members first. Southern Crescent and sold out B&O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9545	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9546	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: mock_up
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9547	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 756
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9548	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: BACKGROUND SCENES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9549	From: john foley	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: MR & CTT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9550	From: robert wight	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Missabe Railroad
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9551	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: FAO Schwartz layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9552	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: train????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9553	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Re: train????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9554	From: john foley	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: NASG Ads Manager
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9555	From: Peck	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Repro boxes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9556	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: on business
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9557	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Some useless trivia
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9558	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Another new member!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9559	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: National RR Museum Christmas cards
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9560	From: john foley	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Fwd: Cojncerning S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9561	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: New Frisco E Mail list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9562	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: shoo fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9563	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Scrapple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9564	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Re: shoo fly
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9565	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Passenger Trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9566	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: passenger trucks/spliced cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9567	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9568	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Backdrops [S-Trains] Digest Number 758
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9569	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: "American Flyer" passenger trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9570	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9571	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: "American Flyer" passenger trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9572	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: interesting post, price wars begin!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9573	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: interesting post, price wars begin!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9574	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: S-trax layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9575	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Backdrop Warehouse continued
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9576	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Purchasing Flyer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9577	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Another new member!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9578	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Animated station
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Scrapple & Shoofly Pie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9580	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Announcement from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9581	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Web stuff and more
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9582	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: New AM K4 streamliner.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9583	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Another annoucement from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9584	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Scrapple & Shoofly Pie
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9585	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9586	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Re: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9587	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Re: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9588	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: cow feet and people's pads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9589	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Trivia time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9590	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9591	From: Peck	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9592	From: David Garber	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9593	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: NADA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9594	From: donabrams	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: LTI electronic e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9595	From: Thor	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Major Site adding S section
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9596	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Wiring was 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9597	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: THANK YOU! was: LTI electronic e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9598	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Al Krug's United States Railroad Mapper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9599	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9600	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9601	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: LTI electronic e-unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9602	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9603	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Gilbert's pole vault
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9604	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Pole vault
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9605	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: LTI parts - - NP set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9606	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: A.C. POLE VAULT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9607	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts - - NP set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9608	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: A.C. POLE VAULT-Hometown
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9609	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9610	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: metal couplers on all LTI NP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9611	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: A.C. Gilbert and the pole vault
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9612	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts - - NP set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9613	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9614	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 763
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9615	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring was 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9616	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: compatibility
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9617	From: Peck	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring was 612
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9618	From: larry strassburger	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9619	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: metal couplers on all LTI NP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9620	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: metal couplers on all LTI NP?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9621	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 763
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9622	From: john foley	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9623	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: This 'n That
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9624	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: LTI northern pacific
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9625	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@clev.frb.org	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Lackawanna Passenger Cars Wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9626	From: D Simon	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: ebay madness
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9627	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Making quick & inexpensive details for layouts......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9628	From: 5fans@madscape.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9629	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: train shows in ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9630	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: train shows in ohio
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9631	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9632	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: flyer couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9633	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: LTI P/N's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9634	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: TMCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9635	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 764
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9636	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9637	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 764
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9638	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9639	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9640	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: We have a Winner!! was: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9641	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: SAy it ain't so. . . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9642	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: "I am not a scale modeler"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9643	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9644	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: LTI P/N's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9645	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Shortlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9646	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9647	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Fw: "I am not a scale modeler"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9648	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9649	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: test message
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9650	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9651	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: "S" SECTION TO ALL GAUGE PAGE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9652	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 764
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9653	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: CJSS Fall Get Together Last Call
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9654	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Sound for Small Scale Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9655	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: American Models Wheel Sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9656	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9657	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9658	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: 15-B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9659	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: test message 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9660	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Shortlines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9661	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: small layout help...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9662	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: small layout help...........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9663	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Deadman Fan!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9664	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Pike Registry
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9665	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: 15B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9666	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: re-instate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9667	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: re-instate/back from vacation.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9668	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Small layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9669	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: in the mood
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9670	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 767
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9671	From: Gene Linder	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: York Fleamarket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9672	From: Gene Linder	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: York October Fleamarket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9673	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: Sound for Small Scale Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9674	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: York Fleamarket
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9675	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 768
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9676	From: david s garber	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Fw: fle market
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9677	From: Thor	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Fudging 1/64 - Adjacent Scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9678	From: Jeff	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: L-Flyer freight cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9679	From: starr007	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Jeffs question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9680	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: jarcho-would you please write a book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9681	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9682	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: So what do I win?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9683	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Missed Chat, rats!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9684	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Pictures from Tommy Robichaud's Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9685	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Vaction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9686	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Vaction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9687	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Pictures from Tommy Robichaud's Layout
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9688	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: AF Rerailer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9689	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: 175 watt transformer circuit breaker problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9690	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: York Data
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9691	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: would love to shop his shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9692	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Making quick & inexpensive details for layouts......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9693	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9694	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9695	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9696	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: New Rumor is Very Frustrating!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9697	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: would love to shop his shows
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9698	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9699	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9700	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9701	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New Rumor is Very Frustrating!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9702	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9703	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Where's www.showcaseline.com?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9704	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: "Christmas Village" from Costco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9705	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9706	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Re: "Christmas Village"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9707	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: S Scale Articles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9708	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Re: "Christmas Village"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9709	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: More on ceramic buildings....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9710	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Mountains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9711	From: a50flyer@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 100 year L trains show &world record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9712	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 697 Track Trips and Semaphores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9713	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 697 & semaphores
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9714	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: ACSG W&OD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9715	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9716	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: 100 year L trains show &world record
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9717	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: volts at and around track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9718	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: volts at and around track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9719	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: K-line long straights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9720	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: K-line long straights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9721	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 771
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9722	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 771
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9723	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: K-line long straights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9724	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9725	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9726	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Halloween Tree
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9727	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: S-scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9728	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Paint removal from brass engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9729	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Payment for MTH Coal Loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9730	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Track Connections-power loss.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9731	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Jeffs's question about passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9732	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: DCC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9733	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: 334 dc af engine
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9734	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: lionel e units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9735	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Jeffs's question about passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9736	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: New TM American Flyer S Gauge Illustrated Price Guide and Histo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9737	From: Patrick_Karleskint@jeffersonwells.com	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: New TM American Flyer S Gauge Illustrated Price Guide and Histo
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9738	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9739	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9740	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Jeffs's question about passenger cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9741	From: John H. Benton	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Clamshell for coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9742	From: Peck	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: AF
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9743	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: 334 dc problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9744	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: S References
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9745	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: safe voltage for operation of lionel electronic e units
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9746	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: MTH coaling tower
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9747	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9748	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Power loss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9749	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coaling tower -Gabe? 787??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9750	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coaling tower -Gabe? 787??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9751	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: MTH Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9752	From: trobicha@lucent.com	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9753	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: 2000 TTOS southern Pacific convention cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9754	From: Peck	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9755	From: starr007	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: ttos convention cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9756	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: need e-mail address.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9757	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9758	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH--Accessories R us???!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9759	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: AF-LTI E-unit problems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9760	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9761	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: non-S items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9762	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: 15-B
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9763	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: S Articles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9764	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: MTH/Flyer store
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9765	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9766	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: AM heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9767	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9768	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Festival
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9769	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9770	From: John	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Pricing Great subject aye
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9771	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: GP-9 derailing (Am)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9772	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Sunday chat........?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9773	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Price Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9774	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 775
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9776	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Greenberg Prices guides......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9777	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday chat........?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9778	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: 13-b Circuit Breaker Question-amp Rating?????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9779	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Chat tonite!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9780	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9781	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Event
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9782	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9783	From: donabrams	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9784	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9785	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: safe voltage for electronics in S trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9786	From: david s garber	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: York Pa Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9787	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9788	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9789	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: combining toy and scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9790	From: Thor	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Work in Progress
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9791	From: trobicha@lucent.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Hallmark Harley Davidson ornament, with MTH rider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9792	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9793	From: starr007	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: armature for smoke in tender unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9794	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9795	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9796	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: 592A Crossing and layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9797	From: john foley	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Downs Railroad Equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9798	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: 592A Crossing and layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9799	From: Peck	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: 696 trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9800	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9801	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Gilbert Get-together @ York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9802	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9803	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9804	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9805	From: Stan S.	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9806	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9807	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9808	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9809	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: K-line spike suppressors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9810	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Question: Is Linonel AC GILBERT CAR IN S same as in O
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9811	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9812	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: SHS C & O rebuilt boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9813	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9814	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Re: SHS C & O rebuilt boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9815	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Do Weights belong in 803 boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9816	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: That's Some Trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9817	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Gilbert display.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9818	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9819	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9820	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9821	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Virus Alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9822	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: Do Weights belong in 803 boxcar
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9823	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Virus Alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9824	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Virus Alert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9825	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9826	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: New Link
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9827	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Blind Carbon Copy (Bcc:)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9828	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9829	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: girlfriend
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9830	From: Steve Jones	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: S Fest Car Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9831	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9832	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9833	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Spam & other related items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9834	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: oddballdecals & Spam!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9835	From: john foley	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Bachmann
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9836	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9837	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA new book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9838	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA new book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9839	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA new book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9840	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA New book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9841	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: My Post about TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9842	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: NOT SPAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9843	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 782
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9844	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Spam & other related items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9845	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9846	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Do we need a new S-list?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9847	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9848	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Video & Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9849	From: andy lorince	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Do we need a new S-list?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9850	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Video & Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9851	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9852	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9853	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9854	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Thrills and fun,,,,,,,
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9855	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Video & Trolley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9856	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 782
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9857	From: James Roberts	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9858	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: "Fun & Thrills" video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9859	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Another TM Product
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9860	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9861	From: John	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Video Fun n Thrills
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9862	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Who's Next?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9863	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9864	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "Fun & Thrills" video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9865	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: New TM Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9866	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9867	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Another TM Product
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9868	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: LTI Sound buttons
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9869	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9870	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: group video project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9871	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9................
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9872	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Price guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9873	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Layout photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9874	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: AF for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9875	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: group video project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9876	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9877	From: Peck	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9878	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9879	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9880	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9881	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: spam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9882	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Do & Don't on the S - Lists
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9883	From: starr007	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: regarding lawrence jacksons a. f. for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9884	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9885	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: List Usage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9886	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Home-made Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9887	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Fw: Test Post
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9888	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Webpage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9889	From: James Roberts	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: As Expected
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9890	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Home-made Videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9891	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Spam and other good things to digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9892	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: small Af transf. safety
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9893	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: "Camera! Lights! Action!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9894	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: "Camera! Lights! Action!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9895	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Oooppss
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9896	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: SPAM, VIDEOS, ETC.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9897	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Hi, I'm back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9898	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Decals and Oddballs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9899	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: TCA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9900	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9901	From: David R. Golden	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Bickering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9902	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: "Camera! Lights! Action!"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9903	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Spam & other related items
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9904	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Bickering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9905	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Decals and Oddballs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9906	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: kindness and tolerance goes a long way on S Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9907	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: My Layout EXperience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9908	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Bickering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9909	From: joan cunningham	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Accessory Bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9910	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: track planning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9911	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Keep your rails clean!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9912	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Keep your rails clean!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9913	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Keep your rails clean!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9914	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: accessory bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9915	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Tuesday night chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9916	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Accessory Bars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9917	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: My Layout EXperience
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9918	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: New TM Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9919	From: Tom Young	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Caig Laboratories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9920	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Home video of layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9921	From: Peck	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9922	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9923	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9924	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Four season layout!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9925	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 787
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9926	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: Home video of layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9927	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Thanks for staying
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9928	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9929	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9930	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Bill Jackson.....?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9931	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: video review & SHS products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9932	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: video review
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9933	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: converted track cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9934	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Welcome Back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9935	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Display Case
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9936	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Ringling Barnum Train on the move
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9937	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: BOYS RAILROAD CLUB CERTIFICATES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9938	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Thanks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9939	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: video review & SHS products
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9940	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: cleaner
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9941	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: cleaning track...anymore suggestions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9942	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track...anymore suggestions?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9943	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: LPS-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9944	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Home Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9945	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: Home Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9946	From: Bruce Crosby	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9947	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: LPS-1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9948	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Track and Equip. Cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9949	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9950	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9951	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9952	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: track cleaning
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9953	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: [Commercial] B.T.S. Loco Project Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9954	From: andy lorince	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: train show akron oh
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9955	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM Gilbert price guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9956	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM's web address please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9957	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Oiling Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9958	From: Peck	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: Bill Jackson
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9959	From: BPX29@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: YeOld Huff & Puff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9960	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: original Gilbert instructions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9961	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9962	From: Tom Young	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM's address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9963	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: AF Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9964	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Coke trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9965	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: Coke trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9966	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9967	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9968	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9969	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Home Video update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9970	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Portable layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9971	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9972	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9973	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat -- Oh boy, oh boy! These chats are the g
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9974	From: The Reis's	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Plastic Village Gazette
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9975	From: The Reis's	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: S gauge automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9976	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Hallmark Harley's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9977	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9978	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9979	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9980	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: S gauge automobiles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9981	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltage ratings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9982	From: William H Trefts	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: 969 Rocket Launcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9983	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: transformer Voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9984	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: You know you've been to York when. . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9985	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: NPSG UPDATED WEBSITE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9986	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Phone Number
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9987	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Home Video update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9988	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: FILLER
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9989	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9990	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltage ratings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9991	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Launcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9992	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Launcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9993	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: 969 Rocket Launcher
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9994	From: HOGHEADHAT@AOL.COM	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Hoghead Hatwear Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9995	From: Barry Peltier	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9996	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9997	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9998	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: CNR locos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 9999	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10000	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer voltage ratings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10001	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail 4 bay hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10002	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: transformer voltages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10003	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10004	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10005	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10006	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: HOT WHEELS/ Ford hot rod hauler 1:64 scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10007	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: updated transformer voltage data
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10008	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail 4 bay hopper
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10009	From: Richard Vangampler	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: American Models Universal Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10010	From: Al_at_Work Rawdon	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels Cargo Carrier
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10011	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10012	From: Bente Velapoldi	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10013	From: Rogerw53@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: transformer voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10014	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: TRANSFORMER VOLTAGES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10015	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: American Models Universal Track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10016	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10017	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Model Railroad Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10018	From: Gonzalo Fernandez Gomez	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10019	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Stainless Steel Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10020	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: John Craft and the new NASG Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10021	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: VIRUS ALERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10022	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: Model Railroad Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10023	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10024	From: Robert Allen Conner NCARB Architect	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10025	From: Al_at_Work Rawdon	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper measurements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10026	From: Al	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Classic Trains track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10027	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: transformer voltage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10028	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper measurements
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10029	From: Al	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels car carrier truck
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10030	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: 1/64th Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10031	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Track Info Pages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10032	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: August Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10033	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse-Solution??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10034	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail & "S"
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10035	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10036	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10037	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10038	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Roy Hoffman's new web site
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10039	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Toys or models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10040	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Atlas Track Planning Software
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10041	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Posts per month count.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10042	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: October Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10043	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: [Commercial] New B.T.S. Structure Announcement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10044	From: Peck	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: Turntable
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10045	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Toys or models?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10046	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: Posts per month count.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10047	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10048	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: October Dispatch
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10049	From: Glen & Katy Doran	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10050	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10051	From: Daniel Neumayer	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10052	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse-Solution??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10053	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10054	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Photos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10055	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10056	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Turntable/Reproducer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10057	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10058	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense--enough already!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10059	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10060	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10061	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: THEY'RE TOYS & MODELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10062	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10063	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Good reading this weekend............
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10064	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense--enough already!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10065	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: CAIG Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10066	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: It's just toys !!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10067	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10068	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10069	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10070	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: s gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10071	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Flyer Big Wheels (not politicians)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10072	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: AF trivia....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10073	From: Peck	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: S in Canada
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10074	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: S Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10075	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: looking for flyer HO reference
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10076	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: CAIG Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10077	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: s gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10078	From: starr007	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s guage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10079	From: Bob Hawley	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10080	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10081	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10082	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10083	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s gu
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10084	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: S in Canada
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10085	From: Mr V Kosobiecki	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s gu
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10086	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10087	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10088	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10089	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10090	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: s gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10091	From: starr007	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail caboose article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10092	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill help needed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10093	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10094	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10095	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Enough is enough already
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10096	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10097	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill hjjelp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10098	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: sawmill help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10099	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Train Orders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10100	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Train Orders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10101	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10102	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10103	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 798
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10104	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: More New Stuff Seen at the S-Fest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10105	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 798
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10106	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10107	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10108	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Transformers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10109	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: S-fest report
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10110	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Tin Plate Train FAQ
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10111	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10112	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST BUDD CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10113	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: AM Budd Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10114	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Talk about arrogance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10115	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: arrogance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10116	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: FALL S FEST BUDD CARS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10117	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: unsubscribe me!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10118	From: Peck	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Sawmill
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10119	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: unsubscribe me! (It's not a bad list)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10120	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: street people???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10121	From: michael prell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10122	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10123	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10124	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Question on American HiRail:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10125	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10126	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: TTOS SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10127	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10128	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: TTOS SHOW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10129	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: TTOS/CAL STUART
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10130	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: AFquestion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10131	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: CAIG Cleaners
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10132	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: AFquestion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10133	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10134	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Unsubscribing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10135	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: vote with your teeth
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10136	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: S-Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10137	From: jarmstro@qwest.net	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: 322 tender trucks dragging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10138	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: 322 tender trucks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10139	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: MTH 2001 Book 1 Gilbert Accessories
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10140	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: [off-topic] wasn't me
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10141	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: 322 tender trucks dragging
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10142	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: SHS S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10143	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: SHS S-Trax Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10144	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Question on American HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10145	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: New photos added
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10146	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Erie reefer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10147	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: New TM Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10148	From: David Garber	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: new TM guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10149	From: Peck	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10150	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10151	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10152	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Crown- Insulation Former Model - 2301
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10153	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: American HiRail shells warping
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10154	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10155	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10156	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: American HiRail Photo's
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10157	From: andy lorince	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Greenberg
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10158	From: Art Goodell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Syracuse, NY Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10159	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: New TM Guide
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10160	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Syracuse, NY Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10161	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Christmas layout snow........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10162	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: MTH Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10163	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: AFquestion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10164	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] Potential S-scaler
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10165	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: How to subscribe?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10166	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: subscribe/
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10167	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas layout snow........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10168	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10169	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: MTH coal loader at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10170	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: things from Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10171	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: I put a bug in Mike's ear
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10172	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Switch wish
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10173	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Maps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10174	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10175	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Maps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10176	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: things from Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10177	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10178	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader at York
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10179	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: New Models!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10180	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: not to be taken exclusively
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10181	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Passenger Car Variety
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10182	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 804
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10183	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: [Advertising} New B.T.S. Kits Announced
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10184	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Gabe the Lamplighter......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10185	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Oddballs Decals 20% off sale for the month of November only.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10186	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Oddballs Decals 20% off sale for the month of November only. 2nd tr
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10187	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: York & Greenberg Vol II book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10188	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10189	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10190	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: 314AW for sale with controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10191	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10192	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 805
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10193	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fw: RMDTCA Bulletin
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10194	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10195	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: S-yracuse Train S-how
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10196	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10197	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10198	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Semaphore Sam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10199	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Christmas layout snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10200	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Election Day Sale!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10201	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas layout snow
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10202	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: "Gabes" on ebay......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10203	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10204	From: starr007	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Reproduction gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10205	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Choice of Scale Zephyr sets:
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10206	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Flames
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10207	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Portable layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10208	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Hoax email and other garbage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10209	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10210	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10211	From: michael prell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Restoration of Circus car(s)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10212	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Looking for new AM B&O Pacific (DC)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10213	From: starr007	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: pin for circus car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10214	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10215	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Cal Zephyr Proposal Questions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10216	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Greenberg trade
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10217	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Things from Mike
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10218	From: David Golden	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Hoax, Hoax, Hoax!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10219	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 806
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10220	From: michael prell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Hoax, Hoax, Hoax!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10221	From: Peck	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Gabe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10222	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 803
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10223	From: SMITTY@tir.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: coal loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10224	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10225	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10226	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10227	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10228	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10229	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10230	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!--HEY! Let's have some decorum here, please.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10231	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: WORDS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10232	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10233	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: McCarron apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10234	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Response from American Models: Cal Zephyr Proposal
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10235	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: McCarron apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10236	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Have you a horn for Horn?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10237	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Axel Bushings for Rolling Stock
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10238	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: bushings for rolling stock????
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10239	From: J. Paul Hartman	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Marx "S" Two-Bay Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10240	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] Response from American Models: Cal Zephyr Propos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10241	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10242	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10243	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx "S" Two-Bay Hoppers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10244	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10245	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: *sigh*
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10246	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: VISIT NORTH PENN S GAUGERS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10247	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10248	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: unsubscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10249	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10250	From: plotnick	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Repairing Alco motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10251	From: david s garber	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Allentown train show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10252	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: *sigh* & Christmas snow.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10253	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10254	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Repairing alco motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10255	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: repairing Alco motor correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10256	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10257	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: *sigh* & Christmas snow.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10258	From: John	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re Daily Digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10259	From: John	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re Daily Digest
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10260	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: A public apology
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10261	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Raleigh (NC) Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10262	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Christmas snow.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10263	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: S scale structures: American Model Builders
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10264	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10265	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10266	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10267	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10269	From: john foley	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Allentown show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10270	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: A.F. Armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10271	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. Armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10272	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10273	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: A.F. Armatures.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10274	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Rocky Mountain Division TCA Auction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10275	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: MTH catalog.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10276	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Decals
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10277	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Portable Layout - Part 4 - Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10278	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: All Aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10279	From: michael prell	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10280	From: michael prell	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Portable Layout - Part 4 - Scenery
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10281	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Translation of advertising terms
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10282	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10283	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Ebay Add
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10284	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Add
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10285	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10286	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10287	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10288	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10289	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: [S-Scale] Commercial Announcement - River Raisin Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10290	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Alco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10291	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10292	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Alco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10293	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10295	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Southern PA
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10296	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Alco repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10297	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Easy AF compatible kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10298	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10299	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10300	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: AF/ LTI ITEMS FOR SALE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10302	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: checking to see if my mail is being posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10303	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10304	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10305	From: Roger	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 814
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10306	From: Roger	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 813 - Control button screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10307	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco SR Paint jobs & Others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10308	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Help wanted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10309	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: short step C&O 21234
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10310	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco motors, wear and heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10311	From: Peck	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: hot brushes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10312	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: short step C&O 21234
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10313	From: john foley	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Model Railroader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10315	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10316	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco SR paint jobs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10317	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco motors, wear and heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10318	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: LTI PA/GP chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10319	From: Katie McWilliam	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Docksider
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10320	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Alco motors, wear and heat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10321	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10322	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: HUB Show Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10323	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10324	From: Peck	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: S-Trains: chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10325	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10326	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10327	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: what are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10328	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Mainstreeter Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10329	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Layout sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10330	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10331	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mainstreeter Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10332	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: [advertising] Vote for Next Import
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10333	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotive Wheels????!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10334	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Steam Locomotive Wheels????!!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10335	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Control Button Screws
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10336	From: john foley	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] [advertising] Vote for Next Import
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10337	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Latest TM book missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10338	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Latest TM book missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10339	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10340	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10341	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10342	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10343	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Latest TM book missing something?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10344	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10345	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Thunder storm sounds
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10346	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: steam locomotive wheels`
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10347	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: S Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10348	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10349	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Warren Frost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10350	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: Warren Frost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10351	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: Warren Frost
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10352	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10353	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Steam Engine Drive Wheel Quartering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10354	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Steam enging drive wheel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10355	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotive Drivers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10356	From: mountstormrr@yahoo.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: AF 4-6-2 For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10357	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: MTH figures......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10358	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Blatant SHS commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10359	From: donabrams	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Quartering
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10360	From: donabrams	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Diesel truck sliding shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10361	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Diesel truck sliding shoe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10362	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Re: Steam enging drive wheel question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10363	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Steam engine drive wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10364	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: DCC and Lionel / AF locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10365	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Engine in sets vs. Just engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10366	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10367	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10368	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10369	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10370	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: I'm back
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10371	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Question from Oregon]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10372	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: opps
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10373	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10374	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Engine in sets vs. Just engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10375	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10376	From: plotnick	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Alco better now
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10377	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10378	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10379	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: All Aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10380	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 819
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10381	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Passenger car warp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10382	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10383	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: passenger car warp - - correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10384	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10385	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Gats and Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10386	From: Peck	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10387	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Flyer PAs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10388	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Johnny Lightning's American Chrome cars...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10389	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 821
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10390	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: 21161 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10391	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10392	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10393	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10394	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10395	From: Peck	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FLY-onel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10396	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: knuckle coupler back to link.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10397	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: River Raisin UP 8500hp Gas Turbine NOW DC Hi-Rail compatible
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10398	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10399	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: 21161 question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10400	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10401	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Flying Yankee
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10402	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10403	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: steel loads
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10404	From: Peck	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10405	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: STOP MAIL :VACATION
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10406	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10407	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10408	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: [Re: [S-Trains] Re: train video camera]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10409	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: New photos on Bristol website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10410	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10411	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Flyonel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10412	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 821
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10413	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: New photos on Bristol website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10414	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: vid vid videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10415	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler back to link.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10416	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10417	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: vid vid videos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10418	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: RailScope
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10419	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Another Herald Nugget
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10420	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] knuckle coupler back to link.........
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10421	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: AF 15B question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10422	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10423	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Sam the Semaphore Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10424	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Sam the Semaphore Man
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10425	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 822
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10426	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: S-Helper Track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10427	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Gobble Gobble
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10428	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Gobble Gobble (humor?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10429	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10430	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10431	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Extra Turkey Night Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10432	From: Peck	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 823
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10433	From: starr007	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: regarding 15b question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10434	From: starr007	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Tonka motorized power sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10435	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Wanted to trade some AF HO engine and cars for a S Diesel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10436	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Pleasanton CA. GATS.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10437	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Mini Cameras
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10438	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: track
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10439	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 823
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10440	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10441	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: BLACK FRIDAY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10442	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Lubricants?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10443	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Christmas layout in VT library
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10444	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10445	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Old (pre-war) station looking for new home
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10446	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: 670 compared with 697 Track Trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10447	From: sgauger@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe - vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10448	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10449	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: KC S Gaugers at Union Station Holiday Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10450	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: KC "S" Gaugers image correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10451	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: KC "S" Gaugers image correction
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10452	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: #709 lockout replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10453	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: whistling billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10454	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Help with a bad switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10455	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: whistling billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10456	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: #709 lockout replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10457	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: whistling billboard.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10458	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: 670 compared with 697 track trips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10459	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Silver paint for Flyer match.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10460	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10461	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10462	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: New Plasticville group at egroups.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10463	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: 370 SHELL
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10464	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: GLc & GLca Hoppers in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10465	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Split Axles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10466	From: Scott Brown	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: FLY-onel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10467	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: The Gauntlet has been thrown!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10468	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: portable Layout Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10469	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Layout Design Directory
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10470	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10471	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Baton Rouge S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10472	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Baton Rouge S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10473	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Baton Rouge S-Gauge
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10474	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a bad switch?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10475	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: hithing billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10476	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Flyer Projects for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10477	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10478	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: KC S Gaugers at Union Station Holiday Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10479	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10480	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Dennis D.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10481	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10482	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Dennis D. otherwise it's junk mail, thanks.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10483	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10484	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: hithing billboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10485	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: The Gauntlet has been thrown!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10486	From: Novak, William	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Amtrak's Acela
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10487	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 826
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10488	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Nashville Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10489	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: New road names from Hobby Surplus......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10490	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10491	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10492	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: this might help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10493	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Washington Post Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10494	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Chat Test - Egroups chat room
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10495	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra Lee Roberts	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Fw: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10496	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10497	From: starr007	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Eric Reis's for sale list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10498	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trai
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10499	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10500	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10501	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Gobble Gobble (humor?)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10502	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: [Fwd: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS?]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10503	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10504	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10505	From: Karl Raab	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Franklin at Walmart
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10506	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10507	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: What train is in Jack's new commercial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10508	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10509	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Questions: Stockyard and 770 Platform Operation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10510	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Marx parts list
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10511	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Snagged another one! (Trains of Christmas)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10512	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: THE TRAINS OF CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10513	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10514	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10515	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Mr. Yardley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10516	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: tiny tiny camera
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10517	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: more tiny, tiny cameras 007
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10518	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10519	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Washington Post story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10520	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Fwd: Trains of Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10521	From: jerryfish@worldnet.att.net	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10522	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Hobby Surplus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10523	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: More SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10524	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Bye! For awhile.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10525	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10526	From: Novak, William	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Story
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10527	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Mr. Yardley
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10528	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: IR Cabeese
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10529	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: TRAINS & COMPUTER?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10530	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: THE TRAINS OF MY CHRISTMAS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10531	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer & other S-Gauge Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10532	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer Collectors Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10533	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Fw: American Flyer is alive!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10534	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] More SHS blatant commercialism
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10535	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: HELP! need info
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10536	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: American Flyer is alive!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10537	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC Can
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10538	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10539	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC can for ACG AC steam engines
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10540	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10541	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC can
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10542	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10543	From: Thor	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: S Gauge Section
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10544	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10545	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10546	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Re: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10547	From: thomrhymer@excite.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Re: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10548	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10549	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10550	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: signs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10551	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: eBay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10552	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Gear for Crane
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10553	From: michael marmer	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Bouncing messages
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10554	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Northern VA Holiday Trains
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10555	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10556	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: DC motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10557	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor testimonial
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10558	From: Erik Rasmussen	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Link Couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10559	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Loco Cam Part 1
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10560	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10561	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: S-Helper 2001 sets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10562	From: starr007	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: article on d.c. conversion using variac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10563	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: New Catalog.......?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10564	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: New Catalog.......?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10565	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: New SHS 2001 Catalog.......?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10566	From: Jim Carnes	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10567	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: MTH coal loader
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10568	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: link couplers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10569	From: Stan S.	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: article on d.c. conversion using variac
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10570	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10571	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10572	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10573	From: Jeff	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Alco and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10574	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10575	From: Bruce Crosby	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Alco and others
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10577	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10578	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10579	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10580	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10581	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10582	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10583	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10584	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10585	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10586	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: I missed Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10587	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Manoil Coupe for AF715 Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10588	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10589	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Stuck stack
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10590	From: michael marmer	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Jonathan Yardley Returns!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10591	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Variacs--Don't make an ash of yourself
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10592	From: Peck	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: Timko
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10593	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: Manoil Coupe for AF715 Unloading Car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10594	From: Scott Brown	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Timko
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10595	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: JONATHAN YARDLEY 12/4 ARTICLE
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10596	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Manoil cars.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10597	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Re: Timko
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10598	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: I Love Toy Train Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10599	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: S Visibility in MRN
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10600	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: RDC-BUDD & Lionel
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10601	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10602	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: New S-Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10603	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10604	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10605	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10606	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Thanks, Michael
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10607	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: VW Bus
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10608	From: Robert Werre	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10609	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: RDC Budd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10610	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Variacs--Don't make an ash of yourself
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10611	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10612	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: replacement motors
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10613	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: RDC Budd
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10614	From: John	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: #283 Locomotive shell Help'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10615	From: Thor	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10616	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10617	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 836
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10618	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Another B.T.S. Kit Ready!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10619	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Lehigh Valley Models
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10620	From: donabrams	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Manoil 707 Coupes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10621	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Subscribe
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10622	From: al paolozzi	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: Track Question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10623	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Penn.Heritage RDC
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10624	From: Thor	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: A Dozen S Layouts Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10625	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 838
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10626	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10627	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Manoil autos
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10628	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Thor's S Layouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10629	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Re: #283 Locomotive shell Help'
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10630	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Thor's S llayouts
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10631	From: Edward Reutling	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10632	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Re: looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10633	From: Tom Young	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10634	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Ace Journal Bushings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10635	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10636	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: PA HERITAGE MODELS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10637	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: looking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10638	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Hospital Train Show
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10639	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: TRADING TRACK TRIPS 670 for 697
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10640	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Bushings and 'booses
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10641	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Trains in the Hospital
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10642	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10643	From: starr007	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Gulf tank car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10644	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10645	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10646	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Horn Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10647	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: S-Video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10648	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Toy Trains at the Fairfax Hospital for Children
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10649	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10650	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Nashville S Group
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10651	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10652	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10654	From: Stan S.	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10655	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10656	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: [S-Trains] Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10657	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Horn Controller
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10658	From: SMITTY@tir.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF Bell Danger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10659	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: AF Bell Danger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10660	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Another MTH Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10661	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF Bell Danger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10662	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Another MTH Delay
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10663	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10664	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Great American Train Show-Mobile
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10665	From: Novak, William	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Help with a dim 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10666	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Fwd: MTH woes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10667	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Photos of the Baldwin 2-8-0 Sample Model in S Scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10668	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10669	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10670	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: help with a dim 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10671	From: toby_loftus@mentor.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: mix and matching track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10672	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale at St. NMRA COnvention
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10673	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Updates
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10674	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: train help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10675	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10676	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10677	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: MTH woes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10678	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10679	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10680	From: Novak, William	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Dim 336 fixed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10681	From: finerty, paul	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: MTH equipment
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10682	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Weak lighted 336
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10683	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Re: F-3 Sound Units: an open letter to S Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10684	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Re: F-3 Sound Units: an open letter to S Helper Service
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10685	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: MR (again!)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10686	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10687	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10688	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10689	From: john foley	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Arttista figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10691	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Arttista figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10692	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Arttista figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10693	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: arttistta figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10694	From: cbrf@snet.net	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Transport carrier for 24566
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10695	From: john foley	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Deep Rock & Mobil
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10696	From: Thor	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Latest project
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10697	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Mr. Barker
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10698	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: AF FLANGES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10699	From: payments@tree-surfer.co.uk	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Attention : Modelzone
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10700	From: john foley	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Help
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10701	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Tom Barker Repair Site ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10702	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: NMRA St. Louis
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10703	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Tom Barker Repair Site ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10704	From: finerty, paul	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 845
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10705	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Xmass stuff
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10706	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10707	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Matching Flyer track and Gargraves
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10708	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Missing ~ key found
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10709	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Tom Barker Repair Site ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10710	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: rubber roadbed
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10711	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: rubber roadbed shimming
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10712	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10713	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: smoke troubles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10714	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: smoke troubles
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10715	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: AF trains on TV
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10716	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: K 325 electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10717	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] PRS WM double door boxcars and other modern (post40-f
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10718	From: donabrams	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: K325 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10719	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: Department Store Display
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10720	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: k335
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10721	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Sunday Morning Trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10722	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Sorry!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10723	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: 2001 catalogs (blatant SHS info)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10724	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sorry!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10725	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning Trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10726	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10727	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning Trains.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10728	From: al paolozzi	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10729	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10730	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Home Layout update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10731	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10732	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: AM reverse unit question
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10733	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: AM FA CP shell trade? PA's for sale.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10734	From: starr007	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Steve Blackburn video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10735	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: overheating armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10736	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10737	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: PA Heritage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10738	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 846
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10739	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: smoke, and slowing
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10740	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: K 325 electrical problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10741	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10742	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10743	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10744	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10745	From: max meise	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10746	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10747	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10748	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10749	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: PA Heritage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10750	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: slow Baldwin/336, and Bachman transformer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10751	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10752	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Unusual Smoke Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10753	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Unusual Smoke Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10754	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Locomotive slowing with sparking
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10755	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Season's Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10756	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: unusual smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10757	From: Peck	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10758	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Reviving smokers
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10759	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Train Night before Christmas. . .
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10760	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit... Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10761	From: john foley	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: NMRA ST LOUIS
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10762	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10763	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Someone I know has a Virus, Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10764	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: All Aboard panels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10765	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: New #41 Model Photos Posted
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10766	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: power packs and sound systems
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10767	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Wicked wicks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10768	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Wicked wicks
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10769	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: AF MERGER SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10770	From: donabrams	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Manoil 707s again
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10771	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Truck Rivets
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10772	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10773	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: panel clips
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10774	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Snow White
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10775	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10776	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10777	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer & other S-gauge video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10778	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Basements, chads, etc.
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10779	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: AF MERGER SET
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10780	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: LTI- Nickel Palte Set
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10781	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer & other S-gauge video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10782	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10783	From: Col Gregory S. Zaniewski	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Assistance Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10784	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: S-video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10785	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scales
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10786	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10787	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10788	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10789	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10790	From: Thor	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Merry Yule! Some holiday fun for you!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10791	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10792	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Assistance Please
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: S Pewer Figures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10794	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10795	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: train video
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10796	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: PA every day
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10797	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10798	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Erector Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10799	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Happy Holidays to all!!!!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10800	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10801	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Re: Erector Loco
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10802	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: SIDEFRAMES
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10803	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Trestle Sizes ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10804	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Trestle Sizes ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10805	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Trestle Sizes ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10806	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10807	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: odds & ends
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10808	From: Peck	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: GP repair
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10809	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: holidays
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10810	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Sideframes
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10811	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: AF Re-Railer
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10812	From: Peck	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: MEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10813	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: The SCALE Card and misc. comments
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10814	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Short Update
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10815	From: mhrr@skypoint.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Ore you ready
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10816	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: All Aboard
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10818	From: busyboy	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: New Address
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10819	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10820	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Next couple days
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10821	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: A few simple questions during the holidays.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10822	From: Peck	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10823	From: David Garber	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: holiday season
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10824	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10825	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: K325
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10826	From: gino restivo	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10827	From: James C. Knight	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 854
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: GRADING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10829	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 854
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10830	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10831	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Re: GRADING
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10832	From: busyboy	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Smoke Unit Repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10833	From: Neil Trump	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Unfair ebay trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10834	From: David Garber	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: smoke unit repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10835	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Re: Unfair ebay trading
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10836	From: Art Dameron	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Great American Train show - Louisville, KY
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10837	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10838	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: S-GAUGE HERALD
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10839	From: jimpatterson11@home.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Help for A. F. Crane Car #644
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10840	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: MTH 30-9107
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10841	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr's TinPlate Road sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10842	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Tunnel Portal Dimensions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10843	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: pilot wheels
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10844	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: SIT bellows revitalization
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10845	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10846	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: smoke unit repairs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10847	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Feb. Issue of Classic Toy Trains.......
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10848	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 855
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10849	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 855
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10850	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10851	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front trucks on steam locomotives
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10852	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair kits
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10853	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Crane car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10854	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Report on the #41 2-8-0 Sample
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10855	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10856	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10857	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10858	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: overheating armatures
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10859	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Spring replacement
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10860	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: eBay Humor revisited...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10861	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: eBay Humor revisited...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10862	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Old train out of storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10863	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old train out of storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10864	From: McIlvaine, Robert	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10865	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10866	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old train out of storage
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10867	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: tunnel dimensions
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10868	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: eBay Humor revisited...
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10869	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Cincinnati In Motion
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Franklin reverse unit....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10871	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Pennsy and CP/CN s-gauge stuff for sale
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10872	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10873	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin reverse unit....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10874	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin reverse unit....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10875	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: MEW
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10876	From: Al_at Work	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: GATS Show in Salt Lake City
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10877	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Marx cattle car
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: ERTLE Crossing Gate
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10879	From: John Simkovich	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: (no subject)
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10880	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10881	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Gilbert Year Book
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10882	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10883	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Truck Troubles--Thanks!
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10884	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: SHS Switches
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10885	From: dfsmith26	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Re: Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10886	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: pilot truck springs.....
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10887	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Vacation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10888	From: John	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re Front Pilot truck springs
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10889	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: S website
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10890	From: Gene McFarland	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 860
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10891	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Pilot Truck Spring Installation
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10892	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Box Car Cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10893	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Box Car Cam
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10894	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Fwd: egroups and Yahoo merger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10895	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10896	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: News Paper Article
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10897	From: Scott Brown	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Insurance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10898	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Re: Box Car Cam]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10899	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Box Car Cam Part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10900	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Yahoo Instant Messenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10901	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Box Car Cam Part 3
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10902	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Happy New Millinum, & I won't be at Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10903	From: Art Dameron	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10904	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10905	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Happy New Millinum, & I won't be at Chat tonite
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10906	From: Larry Huff	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Looking for a loco w/ tender
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10907	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: What am I missing???
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10908	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Yahoo Instant Messenger
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10909	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Cincinnati Museum
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10910	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 860
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10911	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10912	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [showcaseline] Ore Cars]
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10913	From: johnbraker@webtv.net	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: a.f. flatcar i.d. assistance
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10914	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Ore Cars
Group: S-Trains	Message: 10915	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6432	From: Richard	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: The Microsoft curse

Scott..yes Windows doesnt need a lot of help to screw up and Larry ..you are indeed correct that therre are hidden elements in many microsoft products that....well...dont like it if you are attempting to do something in any other manner than the prescribed Redmond method. Many have been surface at the anti trust hearings...some are only anecdoctal (by a bout a million people!1) Take it for real..Windows doesnt like it if you load Netscape....tis true...even worse..try and wipe IE and see if your PC doesnt act up a little....or if windows doesnt try to trump a propritary driver ...especially if it is a rival product!! This is not the place really to go into the nitty gritty of computer operating systems..its a train list There are many resources on the web if you want to delve into the sneakiness of BILLco. Microsoft is the leader because its the best (not necesarily nicest or fair) marketeer going...definitely not because it has superior product. Now back to the trains...hows your year bee so far :-) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6433	From: RRDART@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: Port Lines

Doug also sent an email before he went away stating when he would return.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6434	From: Mac	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Perhaps I missed a prior posting of this link and if so, I apologize. However, as I was cruising along this morning, I wandered onto this page and I was impressed. Especially, once I started comparing my stuff with the catalog pictures. Anyway, this is a great reference site and my thanks to the crerator - (who must be a member on this board!) Go visit - http://www.amerflyer.com/index.htm Happy New Year!! Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6435	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: Bob Tufts and the Internet

David_Horn@... wrote: > Bob Tufts, hmmm, now there'd >be a great Flyer Fan to have join this list. I have encouraged Bob to join this list, but he is not even on the Internet and says he has no desire to do so. I just love all of the Word, Microsoft, etc. bashing. At one time WordPerfect WAS the best word processor on the market and I used it exclusively. Then, along came windows, out went DOS, and the Orem, UT folks badly mangled their program and lost most of their users. It is now okay again, but they lost most of their market base to a better prepared word processor. Now, back to trains! Hope you all have a Prosperous New Year. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6436	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: more flanges

I remember recently repairing a six drivered loco that had plastic centered drivers and metal rims with flanges. These flanges were noticeably larger than say, 3-digit non pullmor locos. They were about the size of the late 5-digit diesel flanges. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6437	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: more flanges

Hi i was at a hallmark store today,,,,, and they have pleanty of engines,, but no tenders, i wonder where the tenders all went? lou > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6438	From: aztecfan@xxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main

I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side gondolla, any road name. Thanks aztecfan@... Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6439	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main

I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side gondolla, any road name. Thanks aztecfan@... Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6440	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main

I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side gondolla, any road name. Thanks aztecfan@... Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6441	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Boston & Main

I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side gondolla, any road name. Thanks aztecfan@... Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6442	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features

I would love to see this list in any format, but the message came through with the following at the end. This has happened on other messages as well. [Attachments have been removed from this message] Is anyone else having this problem? I went to the onelist web site to see if I could get the whole message and had no luck. Is there some option I have to set at Onelist so I can get attachments? Also, Roger, I would appreciate it if you could send me the list directly. Wordperfect format is just fine with me. Thanks. Dale Smith Roger Petrella wrote: > I have made a chart that gives you a quick look at what items are typical on each > of AF steam locomotives. I made this because I can never remember which has smoke > & where, cast shells, etc. and helps to see if the typical factory configuration is > there before I buy something. This list is not all inclusive, but has the most > common features and most typical configuration. I'm sure there are some > differences to be found. I think this is mostly correct. If you find any glaring > errors or think I need to add a couple of items, let me know and I'll make > corrections or modify. The table is in Wordperfect format but should be easily > converted to other word processing programs. It currently fits on a standard 8 1/2 > x 11 sheet of paper (multiple pages). If for some reason you can't get the > attachment off the list, let me know and I'll email it directly to you. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > [Attachments have been removed from this message] > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6443	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features

On 1/1/00 6:41 PM, Dale Smith, dfsmith@..., said: >[Attachments have been removed from this message] The list does not allow attachments. Many folks are NOT sending attachments to the list on purpose, but are using Microsoft Outlook, which has the annoying habit of including an attachment with a MIME formatted version of the message. I like it when the list removes these attachments -- they serve no useful purpose but just eat up more bandwidth.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6444	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: 590T set

Hi, I'd like to pick everyone's brain about the actual contents of this set. According to the '51 catalog it has shown a 300AC (small boldface sans serif AC) with a single pc. diecast boiler shell and a pressed steel tender with AMERICAN FLYER (boldface sans serif) and the usual Reading Lines diamond. Rolling stock as shown is a 642 boxcar, 631 T&P gondola, and a 638 caboose. The set contents lists a 300 Atlantic loco, a 642 boxcar with red railroad finish, a 641 gondola car with deep red finish, and a 638 caboose. If they sold it as per the set contents in the list, the set would contain three red freight cars ! ! ! Now I know that the 642 came many ways and my 501T set (original) has a red painted 642 plug door refer in it . Did this set (590T) sometimes or always come with the 641 in gray? Perhaps it came with the 642 as a brown painted boxcar or brown painted refer? The advance catalog isn't any help either as is shows a 639, but lists a 642. It also shows a dark colored gondola that says AMERICAN FLYER, but without a number! Then the set contents lists a 631 green gondola! Thanks in advance for your help, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6445	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Check out COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS

<A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/">Click here: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS</A> Finally got it on the net. Check this out ! It's the Christmas train layout website.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6446	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 1/1/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels train set

In the local Target store I noticed a Hot Wheels "Power Express" train set. It lists for $40 but was marked down to $23.88 in an after-Christmas sale. The set comes with a figure-8 of track and trestles. The track looks to be a bit larger than HO but smaller than S (I regret I didn't have anything on me to measure with). The track is all plastic as is most of the set. The train is battery powered. The engine is a dark blue streamliner that looks vaguely like a Flyer Royal Blue but darker in color, cheaper looking, and not as handsome. Instead of going for the old-fashioned steamer look, they went for the modern streamlined look that Hot Wheels cars have. Too bad, because it they had gone with the old-fashioned look, it would be perfect with Dept. 56 buildings and the like. The most interesting car is an auto carrier that holds (surprise!) Hot Wheels cars. The set comes with a ramp-like accessory that loads cars onto the auto carrier. Why am I telling you this? It reminded me of the earlier discussion on this list about the hobby needing starter sets for children. Hot Wheels are made by Mattel, which is a sophisticated marketer of toys, and apparently they figured out that parents are looking for a set in the $40 range. Of course we know it is plastic and will be lucky to last two years....but I suppose today's parents (and kids!) have learned to expect toys that don't last very long. And Mattel has the marketing clout and deep pockets to get their stuff on the shelves in Target. I suppose if you were a serious kitbasher who wanted an auto carrier you could figure out how to put S trucks under that car. But it has sort of a cheap-yellow-plastic look that made me think it wouldn't look right with Flyer trains. So I didn't bother opening the box to check it out any further. So now you know. Maybe it would be a good starter set for your 4-year-old grandkid until he is big enough to help you run your Flyer stuff. At least it is the right size! Dan Brindell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6447	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: AF locomotive features

I assumed that this was probably the case, but how did others receive Roger's list? I assume he sent it as an attachment, which the list stripped. Others must have received it as there were followup comments concerning the list from people who obviously have seen it. Michael Westphal wrote: > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > On 1/1/00 6:41 PM, Dale Smith, dfsmith@..., said: > > >[Attachments have been removed from this message] > > The list does not allow attachments. Many folks are NOT sending > attachments to the list on purpose, but are using Microsoft Outlook, > which has the annoying habit of including an attachment with a MIME > formatted version of the message. I like it when the list removes these > attachments -- they serve no useful purpose but just eat up more bandwidth. > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6448	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Rogers list /.doc version

I uploaded a MSWord version of Rogers' list to http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.doc There is also a http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.doc or use the link located at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/locospecs.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6449	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Boston & Main

Sounds good Jim, but you need an "e" in the name! Happy New Year, from Alex in Kennebunk, Main(e) .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: aztecfan@... [mailto:aztecfan@...] Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 6:48 PM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Boston & Main From: aztecfan@... I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side gondolla, any road name. Thanks aztecfan@... Jim Sleeth Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6450	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS

On 1/1/00 10:59 PM, Cbtrainnut@..., Cbtrainnut@..., said: >Finally got it on the net. Impressive! You've given me a new goal to obtain. I just need more space... http://www.killerrobots.com/maw/xmastown/ I just bought the Franklin this year to add to my layout. The Franklin is not the best of engines. It is noisy, and very jerky. I've cleaned and adjusted it; I switched to DC to remove the tender DRCU noise; but the engine itself is still very noisy. I see that you have a Franklin on your layout -- any advice you can share? Am I just stuck with a noisy engine, or are there things I can do to "tighten" it up? Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6451	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: 590T

Well, Bob Tuft's book, THE ALMOST COMPLETE GUIDE TO AMERICAN FLYER S GUAGE SETS lists the set as coming with 641, 642 & 638. I don't know if this helps? Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6452	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Modules

I have a question for you module builders. There is an age old question; make the module sturdy? light? or somehow do both? There are new modules in construction and being planned in the western New York area. For tops, we have been using 1/8" luan, braced on the bottom, and covered with blueboard or homasote. This is light, but not quite warp free. We have 3/4 inch plywood which is totally sturdy and non-warping, but not light. Any comments or suggestions? Please reply direct to me (cc: the list if you like - I will send a compendium of replies to both lists). Thanks, Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2001 - the first year of the third 1000 years!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6453	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6454	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Boston & Main

DearAlex, It is funny that you would point the interesting way that "Maine" was spelled out to Jim. When we received the painted test shots of the SW-9 bodies for the B&M, Robin (the smarter of the three of us) noticed that "Maine" was spelled as "Main" in the logo. We all laughed and sent a frantic fax to our engineer in Hong Kong with the correction. I wonder if Jim ever spent any time in Hong Kong? Don Thompson Alex Mendelsohn wrote: > From: "Alex Mendelsohn" <alexm@...> > > Sounds good Jim, but you need an "e" in the name! Happy New Year, from Alex > in Kennebunk, Main(e) .-.-. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aztecfan@... [mailto:aztecfan@...] > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 6:48 PM > To: S-Trains@onelist.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Boston & Main > > From: aztecfan@... > > I purchased an AM S2 Boston and Main because it was one of their first > productions. Now I need a Caboose, so I am converting an Ertle. I added a > lip to the roof over the end windows. Had to fill in the bottom end windows > with some plastic. Then I framed the end windows and it looks good. I also > had to do some work to the side top below the copula. Then there is the > side ends that need a lot of filling where it glues to gether. I cut out > marker lights from those junk battery trains I buy for parts. I will use > the smoke stack as well. I will add those truck bases from those Huff and > Puff parts. I copied the end railing and latters by magifing blue prints of > the end details. Making my own latter. Now how can I get some kind of > decal for this caboose. Also looking for a decal for the REX low side > gondolla, any road name. Thanks > aztecfan@... > Jim Sleeth > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6455	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Killing Chatter in a Franklin

On 1/2/00 12:15 PM, Michael Westphal, westphal@..., said: >I just bought the Franklin this year to add to my layout. The Franklin is >not the best of engines. It is noisy, and very jerky. I've cleaned and >adjusted it; I switched to DC to remove the tender DRCU noise; but the >engine itself is still very noisy. I think I've answered my own question. I went browsing at Lowe's and found some small nylon spacers and washers. I had hoped to put the spacers on the screws holding the drive arms to the front wheels, which seemed to make most of the "chatter". The spacers didn't fit. I removed the front wheels and banged them down the axle (carefully) to make the wheels tighter against the axle block, then used washers under the drive arms when I re-attached them. Viola! Most of the chatter is gone and the Franklin no longer jerks its way around the curves. If anyone has a better suggestion I will still entertain it. Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6456	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Air chime whistle

Happy New Year S-Gaugers, I've been following this list for 5 months now and have learned quite a bit from the experts subscribing to it. I recently picked up a K325 off Ebay and a mint 326 from a friend who had it packed away since he was 13 yrs. old, which is, I guess the age we all set aside our trains for awhile. Anyway, I didn't get a whistle control with these engines so I bought what I thought was the right one off E-Bay. Everything works, only problem is I get a diesel horn sound instead of a steam whistle. Do I have the wrong controller? I have the Air Chime Whistle. Do I need the controller marked Steam Whistle Control? I printed out Roger's great list. The K325 is listed as having whistle in tender, and the 326 has the air chime. Now I'm more confused. Is there a difference? Would appreciate it if someone could please clear this up for me. I got back into my beloved Flyer's only 18 months ago, after 40 years, so forgive me if the problem I'm having seems silly. I know there is a simple answer but can't find it anywhere. Thanks for any help, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6457	From: WILLIAM W HUTTON	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: ERTL 1/64th scale train

While celebrating the New Year in the Ozarks stopped into a toy outlet in Osage Beach. They had the ERTL Farm Country Freight Train Set. After some debating went back and bought one for 19.99. Opened it up this evening and a couple ot things come to mind. First, what a great starter set for 5-7 year olds. Second, with a pamphlet for S-Gaugian inside what a great marketing tool for S Scale for the older brothers, sisters and parents who bought this set.(Too bad the set is no longer in production). Third, for kitbashers what a great way to get a caboose in white plastic, box car in blue, and flatcar complete with two scale tractors. I'm looking forward to using the battery operated diesel in the background of my layout, and adding the rolling stock to extra pikemaster trucks. If you come across these sets I think they would be a bargain, even at the regular price of 49.99. I continue to enjoy this list, looking forward to a great year here in Basehor Kansas. Bill Hutton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6458	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle

In a message dated 1/2/00 9:25:09 PM, T-Young@... writes: << I printed out Roger's list. The K325 is listed as having whistle in tender, and the 326 has the air chime. Now I'm more confused. Is there a difference? Would appreciate it if someone could please clear this up for me. >> Both Hudsons you mention are equipped with air chime whistles (i.e., the type activated by the can vibrator system). These vibrators were originally used in slightly different form in the power sources for 6 volt car radios in the 50's. The vibrator "whistles" (and horns in diesels) at their best have a sound that is closer to a diesel horn than a true steam whistle. The only Gilbert steamer with a "true" whistle is the 314AW which is fitted with a DC offset actuated impeller whistle. Any "whistle" (the DC offset impeller type, OR the air chime speaker type) for a Gilbert steam engine is always to be found in the tender. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6459	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/2/2000
Subject: Re: Air chime whistle

In a message dated 1/2/00 10:28:56 PM, RBubeck327 writes: << Any "whistle" (the DC offset impeller type, OR the air chime speaker type) for a Gilbert steam engine is always to be found in the tender. >> Ooops! I forgot to mention that there was also a vacuum tube oscillator electronic whistle used only in 1950 in the 324AC Hudson (and the new Santa Fe Alco), but its speaker was placed in the tender, as well. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6460	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: module construction

Ted Larson asks: >Make the module sturdy? light? or somehow do both? >We have been using 1/8" luan, braced on the bottom, >and covered with blueboard or homasote. >This is light, but not quite warp free. >We have 3/4 inch plywood which is totally >sturdy and non-warping, but not light. Ted, I have not yet built a module, but when I do, I might use hollow luaun door style construction. Two sheets of 1/8" luaun sandwiching strips of double thickness homasote, all glued. Homasote all around the edges and bridging the center on maybe 8" centers. Don't sandwich a solid piece of homasote. This will be light and warp free. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6461	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: 21088 wobble

Thanks for the "discovery". When you say "under the drive arms", I'm assuming you mean you installed a nylon washer on both front drive wheels behind the side rod - - correct? I ask because you mentioned nylon spacers as well and I know there's considerable slop between the screw and side rod hole. I found the following to help my Franklin, but I'd like to try your technique too. 1) add weight to the cow catcher (up inside from underneath) , 2) add a wire to the smoke unit to the front tender truck (don't rely on the ground through the chassis across the tow bar alone, now smokes great all the time), 3) be certain there is adequate wire and travel in general between the engine and the tender (any "tugging" around corners lifts the front wheels and with an already very short wheel base that can cause derailments in the turns especially at speed). In fact, after adding the smoke-unit wire, I flattened the sides of my tow bar and fount it corners better apparently from less axial torque. These are generally (no pun intended) noisy, raucous, little out-of-scale engines, but I too find myself putting in on the track more often than one might think. As my 5-year old son said, "it's the one with nice colors, Dad, all the others are just black." Don't loose heart, however, his next request was to run the 343. He just knows what to say at the moment to get his wish. PS If you have a vise, you might want to try that to adjust the track of your drivers instead of a hammer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6462	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: air chime "whistle"

As others have indicated, if you're expecting a true steam engine whistle sound from anything but a 314AW, don't hold your breath. The best analogy provided me some time ago on this list before my first one was "the nagging horn-like sound from a modern ambulance". Bingo. I removed my 708's just because I'd rather use the billboard for steamer sounds. Whenever I'd "blow the whistle" on my 326 or 336, people'd say "what was that?".

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6463	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: LTI making 3 new AF pieces!

Anyone notice the intervied with the Lionel CEO and the two full page color ad in S-Gaugian magazine Jan/Feb 2000 issue? Some nice looking pieces I think. I also noticed that Scenery Unlimited is already advertising them at a discount, and LTI says they are selling these at reduced pricing anyway. They are very colorful pieces with the Sante Fe roadname I think...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6464	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: 590T

Chuck, Thanks for the reply. I've got the Tufts book too. I guess my question was pretty long winded. If the set contains the 641 gondola, what color was used? Red or gray? What was the 642, refer or boxcar? Red or brown? Does anyone have this set or know of someone who does? Maybe had it as a kid and just happen to remember the composition exactly? Any help or leads would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6465	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistles

Tom, Your engine's sound systems are going to should pretty much the same. The controllers had slightly different tubes over the years (some metal cases, some cardboard) and different writing on the outside, but they were just vibrators. Different speakers were used over the years also, usually with a resistor and capacitor paralleled together then put in series with the speaker coil. Basically they just buzzed. Steam or diesel, they just buzz. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6466	From: jimpatt@flash.net	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Item (4)8314 Christmas Box Car '92

Does anyone know wehe one is? Plaese provide name, address, ph. @ Fax #'s. Please No e-bay sources. I don't get involved with that service thanks. thanks jim nasg98foo56w

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6467	From: jimpatt@flash.net	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Tray and Shavings for Crane #583a

Does any one know were I can get a tray and the metal shaving for this crane. Please NO e-bay sources, I don't use that service. Please provide name, address, Ph. / fax #'s. I'll contact them. thanks. jim nasg 0056w

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6468	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Re: 21088 wobble

On 1/3/00 8:50 AM, David_Horn@..., David_Horn@..., said: > When you say "under the drive arms", I'm >assuming you mean you installed a nylon washer on both front drive wheels >behind the side rod - - correct? David, Yes. (Although I had a Flyer when I was a kid I'm only just now "starting" the hobby 30 years later. Thanks for being patient with my misuse of the correct terms.) > I ask because you mentioned nylon spacers >as well and I know there's considerable slop between the screw and side rod >hole. That was my original thought -- to use spacers to fatten the screw. But the side rod hole is not quite large enough. > >I found the following to help my Franklin,... > 1) add weight to the cow catcher (up inside from underneath) >, 2) add a wire to the smoke unit to the front tender truck ... > 3) be certain there is adequate wire and travel in general >between the engine and the tender Thanks. I will try these. I tried tracing the wires between the tender and the engine to see if the tow bar was part of the circuit (I may have slightly remembered a note from you a month or so back.). My tow bar is a bit "loose". The screw that attaches it to the motor is long. SO long, that I first screwed it all the way into the armature when I first got the engine... whoops. I'll try the extra wire. > >These are generally (no pun intended) noisy, raucous, little out-of-scale >engines, but I too find myself putting in on the track more often than one >might think. As my 5-year old son said, "it's the one with nice colors, >Dad, all the others are just black." I agree. It looks good for my intended purpose. Speaking of color, this may be heresy, but my art-major son repainted the entire engine (in basically the same scheme -- but with more gold) and replaced the decals with a computer generated Christmas banner. I'll update the photos on the website soon. >Don't loose heart, however, his next >request was to run the 343. He just knows what to say at the moment to get >his wish. Don't they always seem to? > >PS If you have a vise, you might want to try that to adjust the track of >your drivers instead of a hammer. A vise would be nice. I come from a long line of "wackers." Wheels to far apart? Whack it! TV out of kilter? Whack it! Computer won't restart after shutting down for Y2K rollover? Whack it! (I really had to do this to restart the hard drive on a Mac that was shut off for the first time in 3 years... irony was... Y2K shouldn't have casued any trouble. But my company didn't see it that way.) Thanks David. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6469	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 485

In a message dated 1/3/00 4:01:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > Ted Larson > Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division > 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! > 2001 - the first year of the third 1000 years! > Right on Ted Steve Blackburn RMHR Boisre, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6470	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistle

Thanks to all who responded to my Air Chime questions, I'll be able to sleep tonight knowing the sounds I hear from these two engines are the way it's supposed to be. Guess I'm lucky, neither one sounds like a croaking frog, in fact the 326 has the better sound of the two, for a diesel. Maybe I should remove the unit and install it in my 360/361 that I bought last year, the 361 being totally void of any original horn parts that it left the factory with. Just kidding, I'll just use the Billboard Whistle like Doug suggested and be happy to have it. Thanks again, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6471	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: MRC DualPower 027

Hey its after Jan 1st and my AF still runs. Must have been Y2K ready. Anyway, I got a MRC DualPower 027 transformer for Christmas. Lots of power, features, etc. Only one question/problem. When I tried it out on my test track my "Modern" engines (AM, LTI, SHS) ran and sounded fine. But when I put a Post War AF "B" unit on the track, the horn sounded continuously. There may have been something posted here before, but is there an AC trap or something I could install so both types of engines can use this transformer? Any other issues concerning its use? TIA (Oh by the way, Doug contacted me as soon as he got back from seeing his new grandson - thanks to all who responded to my previous posting.) Neil (Still in digest mode.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6472	From: Mac	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Franklin

Since we're on the subject. My Franklin continuously shorts out between the draw bar and the post at the cab. How is the tender supposed to be isolated from the engine? It does not appear that the wiring was ever modified, but is there a suggested "re-wiring"? Your thoughts wil be appreciated. Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6473	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Training in Tampa

I'll be in Tampa this weekend with some free time between meetings - - anything good on the docket in terms of trains? Shows, meets, etc? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6474	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 742 operation

OK, does anyone out there have a 742 that goes equally fast in both directions? I have one that positively screams in one direction and goes reasonably fast, but not as fast in the other direction. I've centered the armature, tested and adjusted brush pressure, cleaned the comm's etc. and while it helped both directions get faster they're still not the same. Ideas? Thanks. I've made a hand-car run on my layout with bumpers designed for the 742 to reverse its direction at each end*. It all works well except for the speed difference of one way versus the other. I need 12 volts to get cold-start speed enough in the slow direction, but after several runs, it runs too fast (at least for what you'd expect Ike and Mike to ever do even when in a hurry) in the other direction. * The brunt of impact is taken up by the end of the chassis striking a cork or felt covered wooden bumper, while the reverse bar presses against another surface and is pushed all but ~1/32" in the other direction. Presto, they turn around.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6475	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: (no subject)

<<Does any one know were I can get a tray and the metal shaving for this crane. >> We have both. The trays are $6.95, and the scrap-metal is $1.95 per package (I'd recommend at least 2 pkgs). Doug Peck Port Lines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6476	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin

On 1/4/00 7:37 AM, Mac, Macflyer@..., said: >My Franklin continuously shorts out between the >draw bar and the post at the cab. How is the tender supposed to be isolated >from the engine? It looks like the tender is not electrically isolated from the engine by the drawbar, but instead is completing a circuit though the drawbar (confirmed by David_Horn@...) and the right wheels of the tender. The metal drive wheel rims should be electrically isolated from the rest of the engine. Something must be touching intermittently to cause a circuit between the drive wheels and the engine frame. (Check the side rods to see if they're bent where they could touch the metal rims. There's a lot of slop in the drive train.) I do not have wiring schematics to prove this... anyone? Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6477	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 21088

Another thing to look for on the 21088 Franklin also affects Atlantics, 290 and 282 type Pacifics. The main rod (the one with that attaches to the crosshead) may be hitting on the lead driver side rod shoulder screw. This can be so bad it's obvious, or so subtle that the hex head is just being polished by the rubbing. Make sure the main rods are straight and not bowed in slightly. Some of these are made of quite soft metal and will bow in from handling. Make sure the crosshead guides aren't pushed in toward the drivers. Make sure that they're 90 degrees to the front truck bracket they're a part of. Sometimes bowing the ends outward a tiny bit is helpful. The crosshead should pivot freely on the tab at the end of the main rod. Sometimes the tab has to be reformed slightly. Also the two vertical tabs that hold the crosshead onto the guides need to be reformed slightly to hold the crosshead in so that it doesn't "droop." This in itself can cause valve gear binding. Have fun running it. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6478	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Replies on 590T

Thanks for the replies. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6479	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: 21088

The Franklin drawbar is supposed to carry electricity from the lead tender truck to the smoke unit and I believe, the headlight as well. It sometimes happens that the tender wheels get reversed by an overzealous mechanic. This will cause a short at the drawbar. The same thing happens with other 5 digit steam engines if the tender pickup wheels or the green and black plug wires are reversed. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6480	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: 21088

Thanks, Don. Good advice. They all seem to be straight and there's good clearance. Just a little slack and therefore chatter a bit. I think we have a good set of info to add to the S-trains FAQ. (I don't think I'm volunteering...) Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6481	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: American Model's track

I'm building my new layout using American Model's track. I'm at the point where I have to start isolating track at the different blocks. I don't see plastic rail joiners offered on AM's web site, I had used these on an HO layout I built back in the 70's. Anyway my obvious question is what's the best way to do this. I have a couple of ideas but I thought the best thing to do would be to ask the guys on this list, the ones who know. Thanks for any advice, Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6482	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin

Franklins, and most all the two-step reverse unit engines have what is known as a "hot" chassis.That is, the smoke unit, and the headlight use the chassis as part of their power circuit. Also one motor brush. If the drawbar connecting were more secure, there would only need to be one wire from the tender to the engine! momentary shorts through the drawbar are *usually* caused by the wires on the plug being reversed (or the ones inside the tender) BUT!! they can also be caused by drive wheel rims (if they are metal ones) touching the chassis or drive rods, OR by the die-cast trailing truck touching a rail (obviously this doesn't apply to the Franklin). As the chassis is *supposed to* be insulated from both rails, I don't think it really matters which rail the front truck is using, as long as it is wired to the un-insulated side of the chassis. I will do more research on this, as it will make a great subject for a "Fixin' Flyer" column! (FREE PLUG!!) Your input(s) are very welcome! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6483	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Re: 21088

> I think we have a good set of info to add to the S-trains FAQ. This engine needs a real headlight. Does anybody have any ideas on how to do it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6484	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: 'Plastic' train sets around

Hi S gaugers, this is my first message. I have now seen 2 stories on plastic Christmas train sets. I went to Lowes one week before Christmas and a clerk informed me that their Christmas stuff was 50% off- just happened to be browsing in that area. I bought 2 of those train sets---marked "Holiday Living Collectibles", made by New Bright Industries Ltd., foreign of course. The set had a pair of switches; a rerailer and a goodly amount of track. The engine was a late 1800s 0-6-0 with wood burner tender and working headlamp! 4 batteries in tender. 2 coaches and a caboose. There is a 'station' building that blows a whistle via button-2 more batteries. This set was very close I thought to S gauge. I made a decision to buy, if anything to put near the tree. I took the other to work for that tree. One set, at 50% off was about $9.00!! The track, yes, is plastic as most of all of it. The most noticeable metal were the wheel axles. Surprise---this set, the track gauge was almost 1/8" wider than S track. I was about to swap a wheel set on one car, but the Mrs. insisted I not butcher this set. Note, the cars are small even tho the gauge is larger. The other buildings sold on the Lowes shelf, again were close to S gauge I thought. The lighted "2000" city hall is so cute it would look right at home on the layout. I hope someone else saw these. The comments on the "Franklin" Engine were well heard-mine is noisy too, but genius on mechanics I'm not.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6485	From: TPDavis7@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: American Model's track

Tom, check out Atlas' new 0 gauge three rail track. I belive it is code 148, the same as AM and they sell a plastic insulating railjoiner. If not available in your area, you can do what I did to insulated a passing siding. Abount one inch back from the rail end of the insulating rail, cut the rail,with a Atlas or Zona saw, over one of the plastic ties. Cut completely through the rail,but not the tie, insert a piece of styrene in the cut, secure with a drop of super glue. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6486	From: Marty Cook	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Training In Tampa

Dave, Here's a message I posted a while ago on another train list. I don't have their "non-holiday" hours handy. Hope this helps! Marty Cook TCA# 95-41425 _________________________________________________________________ v3 n153 q2290 Marty Cook<mcook@...> 24 Nov 1999 22:05:22 -0500 Tampa Area Train Stores In the Tampa-St. Pete-Clearwater area, check out H&R Trains. They bill themselves as "Florida's Largest Train Store". I've had occasion to visit the store when I was in town on business this past January. The store is pretty large and has lots of toy train variety, an excellent book sales area, train oriented kids' clothes, and trains running point to point and on overhead loops. They also have a garden layout outside, and they conduct extensive seminars on all phases of the hobby. Their location is at 6901 U.S. Hwy 19 North, Pinellas Park, Florida 33781, north of Clearwater. Their web site is http://www.hrtrains.com and E-mail address is hrtrains@... Their "extended holiday hours" (beginning 11-1 through 12-30) are Mon-Sat 9-9, Sunday 11-5 (Sundays in Dec. 9-9). Phone 727-526-4682. Marty Cook TCA# 95-41425 __________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:05:28 -0500 From: David_Horn@... Subject: Training in Tampa I'll be in Tampa this weekend with some free time between meetings - - anything good on the docket in terms of trains? Shows, meets, etc? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6487	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: ERTLE CONVERTION TO TRACK POWERING

HAS ANYONE POSTED AN ARTICLE ON WHAT SIZE RESISTOR TO USE TO POWER THE ERTLE ENGINE? I ALSO WANT TO POWER THE 0-6-0 BATTERY FRANKLIN LIKE TRAIN AS WELL. COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING ABOUT THE 3-RAIL S PROJECT ON THE 3-RAIL WEB SITE I VISITED. ARE THERE MORE THEN ONE WEB SITES? THANKS JIM SLEETH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6488	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

New Year, New Century, new list! The January list has been posted with some "SALE" items to kick off the new year. I will be at the Greenberg Train Show this weekend in Atlanta if anyone is heading that direction. I wish everyone the best the new year has to offer. Mark B. Preman http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6489	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Wiring

I am trying to get an 470PA to run but i'm not sure of the correct wiring. I am also not sure how the current should flow through the wheels and truck frames. Any and all suggestions appreciated

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6490	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Franklin wheels

I've swapped metal tender wheels from side to side (e.g. front truck from right side to left side) without any adverse effects. However, the front truck remains the one wired to the chassis (via extra wire that I added) and the appropriate brush. In fact I've made the left side the side for the front-truck metal wheels on all my steamers that don't have supplemental contact "feet" because I run my trains clockwise nearly all the time. This helps minimize electrical interrupt from the tender if it rocks ever so slightly during fast cornering (yea, I know if it's going that fast it's likely exceeding scale top speed, but I'm a toy train operator at heart, love to see 'em slow, scale, and scream'n). PS I wasn't able to try adding a washer to the point where the side rod attaches to my Franklin's front drivers because there simply wasn't play enough to do so (a good thing I'm assuming). However, I did add a semi-flattened wave-washer to each back driver to take some of the slack out of that point of attachment. I didn't see any signs of decreased speed (same avg. lap times), and the engine appears to operate with a little less wibble-wobble through the turns. It definitely derails less at full-speed while cornering, so I left the washers in. Funny thing, the engine operates smoothest and with the least shimmy or ww in reverse. Might have something to do with it pulling its ways trough turns rather than pushing. Who knows?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6491	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: SHS wheelsets

have SHS hirail wheelsets and couplers for trade. need scale wheelsets for SW-9 john craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6492	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: 802s couplers for S Scale America 3 bay hoppers

> I have been reminded that we included no instructions with the scale > version of our 3 bay hopper cars, and tank cars for that matter. The > hirail versions are track ready out of the box, but I should have > included a note with the scale ones for the Kadee 802 users. > > There is a spacer between the truck bolster and the carbody of the > hopper that must be removed to achieve proper coupler height. Just > follow Kadees' instructions for assembling the couplers themselves. > Nothing else need be done. > > I hope this has not inconvenienced anyone too much. Mea culpa. > > Ron Sebastian > Des Plaines Hobbies - S Scale America

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6493	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: MRC power & AF 'B' unit

The primitive sound system that American Flyer used doesn't do well on anything but a pure AC sine wave. If you had a steam engine with air chime in the tender it would sound the same. If you insist on running it open it up and unsolder one of the leads from a truck and insulate the lead. Now it will be silent and you can return it to its original condition easily. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6494	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin wheels

On 1/5/00 3:38 PM, David_Horn@..., David_Horn@..., said: >PS I wasn't able to try adding a washer to the point where the side rod >attaches to my Franklin's front drivers because there simply wasn't play >enough to do so (a good thing I'm assuming). David, I didn't have enough room either until I moved the wheels closer together (the old hammer trick). The front wheels just barely touch (plastic only) the frame. This took all the "wibble-wobble" out of the engine, forward or reverse. > However, I did add a >semi-flattened wave-washer to each back driver to take some of the slack out >of that point of attachment. ... > Funny thing, the engine >operates smoothest and with the least shimmy or ww in reverse. Might have >something to do with it pulling its ways trough turns rather than pushing. And it could also be because the rear wheels are less likely to slide back and forth on the axle than your front wheels. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6495	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: Re: 21088 (headlight)

On 1/4/00 9:56 PM, Scott Holm, IMSSCOTT@..., said: >This engine needs a real headlight. Ouuuuuuuu. Looks like there's room. Just need a hole for power, drill out the front, add a lens, bulb holder, back... I'll let you know if I come up with anything.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6496	From: Allen Evans	Date: 1/5/2000
Subject: 8 AMP 16VAC POWER SUPPLY

I'm looking for an 8 AMP power supply with a fixed output of 16VAC. Where is the easiest place to find one ? -OR - Could I just go to the electrical supply store and get a step down transformer, a circuit breaker, on-off swith, fan, case, and power cord and a build it myself? Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6497	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: U.P. 21925-1

I am looking for a U.P. 21925-1 dummy unit. Anyone have any ideas where I could look? Should I find one what is a reasonable price to pay? Thanks! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6498	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: 8 AMP 16VAC POWER SUPPLY

Hi Allen: Building one yourself is quite easy, however you won't need a fan! It (the supply) simply won't run that hot. Power transformers are available from electronics distributors. Some are on the Web, such as Mouser, Tech-America, or Digi-Key. These are also good sources for aluminum enclosures, line cords, on/off switches, fuse holders, grommets, circuit breakers, terminal strips, pilot lights, etc.---things you'll need for a nice AC supply. Electrical supply houses don't necessarily carry such items--especially power transformers. If you search around, look for "filament" transformers. They're usually hefty enough for what you want. I get mine at ham radio flea markets. Good luck. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Allen Evans [mailto:alevans@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 11:00 PM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] 8 AMP 16VAC POWER SUPPLY I'm looking for an 8 AMP power supply with a fixed output of 16VAC. Where is the easiest place to find one ? -OR - Could I just go to the electrical supply store and get a step down transformer, a circuit breaker, on-off swith, fan, case, and power cord and a build it myself? Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! Sign up for eLerts at: <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6499	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Franklin fun

How far apart are your front wheels if you measure from the inside facing surface (toward the frame) of one front drive wheel across the frame to the inside facing surface of the other front wheel? The correct "track" should be 18.5-18.75 mm. I'm wondering whether you've found these engines, for some reason, run better with a much narrower track. How well does it do over switches set to turn-out? I'm stumped for where and how you get a spacer on the front drivers even with the track of them narrowed. The screws that hold the side rods onto my front drivers do so with no room for a spacer to fit between the side rod and head of the screw. That's regardless of how close or far apart the drivers are to each other. Maybe I just have the wrong idea of where you've put the spacer - -yes, no? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6500	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring

Attached is a jpeg of the schematic diagram. Hope this helps! Chuck Harrington John Stephenson wrote: > I am trying to get an 470PA to run but i'm not sure of the correct > wiring. I am also not sure how the current should flow through the > wheels and truck frames. > > Any and all suggestions appreciated

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6501	From: john foley	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: New Dispatch Printer

Hi Folks Well we have a new printer for the Dispatch. M.I. printing of Millersburg Pa. The reason for this message is to let you know that the Dec. Dispatch is in the mail. Sorry for being late, but this is their first issue. They now feel they are up to speed so we will be trying to get the Dispatch out more on time. Jeff Madden is still our Editor, Thanks Jeff for working hard with new printer. Yours in S John Foley NASG Executive VP. BTW. I wonder who was the BOT member who broke B_ _ Ls for a new printer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6502	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin fun

On 1/6/00 11:00 AM, David_Horn@..., David_Horn@..., said: >How far apart are your front wheels if you measure from the inside facing >surface (toward the frame) of one front drive wheel across the frame to the >inside facing surface of the other front wheel? The correct "track" should >be 18.5-18.75 mm. 18mm. But there is still play room. If the wheels were an extra 1mm apart, I'd still have plenty of room for washers. > I'm wondering whether you've found these engines, for >some reason, run better with a much narrower track. How well does it do >over switches set to turn-out? Running on S-Trax. No switches. I guess I could have a problem if I ever get switches (come-on SHS...). >I'm stumped for where and how you get a spacer on the front drivers even >with the track of them narrowed. The screws that hold the side rods onto my >front drivers do so with no room for a spacer to fit between the side rod >and head of the screw. The washers are just slightly less than 1mm thick. Approximately the same thickness as the siderod itself. I still have at least 1mm of space between the side rod and screw head when I gently squeeze the siderods in to remove slack. Perhaps there was a manufacturing difference in different Franklins. > Maybe I just have the wrong idea of where you've >put the spacer - -yes, no? Thanks. With the engine upside down, looking at the front left wheel, left to right: outside_rod | 1mm_space | screw_head | inside_rod | washer | wheel | BLOCK I'll try to take a digital picture and email it to you privately. My camera doesn't do well up close, so it may not work. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6503	From: KtRdd@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Plastic trains

Hi Jim, I do not know anything about converting a battery operation to electric, so you are on your own there. Lowes had "buildings" labelled LEMAX. These were close to S gauge, but I'm sure they were not exact. Your comments about the switches are interesting. One really could slice off the outside rails of these switches and probably reinstall the outside rails a wee bit closer, and presto! ---S gauge switch. At least, that is how I would see the solution ? John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6504	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Prototype RR

I saw this book recently. It provides a wealth of information about the technology and practice of prototype railroading. Good for nearly any private or club library. > John Armstrong > The Railroad, What It Is, What It Does > 4th Edition > Simmons-Boardman Books Inc. 1998 > > Try Amazon. It's not cheap. $33.95 > or, zShops Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6505	From: Robert Morrison	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Sticking reversing unit

Hi All! I need some advice and consul. I have a friend who was given some old Flyer equipment recently and he is having a problem with the reversing unit sticking in neutral for no reason. Can anyone suggest a possible repair or is there some way to clean the magnetic contacts to clear up this problem? I'd like to help him with some possible answers beyond using the "Famous Flyer Tap" method of unsticking the unit. Any ideas? Thanks, Bob M. "Go ahead blow the horn, it's your railroad!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6506	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Switches

Dear Michael, We expect to get assembled test shots of both the Right and Left #3 AF compatible switches and the controller. Final production dates depend on corrections needed. Don T. Michael Westphal wrote: .................Running on S-Trax. No switches. ..................... if I ever > get switches (come-on SHS...). > Michael -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6507	From: RRDART@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: New Dispatch Printer

In a message dated 1/6/00 6:44:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, foley164@... writes: << B_ _ Ls >> All right! I love hangman!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6508	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: cheap 1/64 s scale cars.

While in a Target store today I found the closeout sale on the remaining Racing champions Mint and Hot Rod cars. 94 cents each. They had them sorted with a lot of other Racing Champions, Johnny Lightning, and other cars as closeout items. These had been moved down to the closeout Christmas section. There were matchbox Michael Jordan sets for $1.99, beetle Coca-Cola sets for $1.99, and other scale closeouts as well. Anyway, lots of cheap cars hidden in the back section of the store. Happy shopping, and you can get that 2 foot high Santa you needed last month for 75% off. eric Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6509	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 1/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 486

> Subject: module construction > > Ted Larson asks: > >Make the module sturdy? light? or somehow do both? > >We have been using 1/8" luan, braced on the bottom, > >and covered with blueboard or homasote. > >This is light, but not quite warp free. > >We have 3/4 inch plywood which is totally > >sturdy and non-warping, but not light. > I am just starting a new layout. I have studied all the "s-mod" material and I am trying to follow what looks like the best advise. I am using 1/4" plywood over a 1x4 frame. I am gluing 1/2" foam on top for sub road bed and then using "homabed" for the main line roadbed. I am on the fifth module now and quite happy with how it is turning out. New things I have learned. 1. Make sure you use adhesives and patch materials that are compatible with foam - not all are. 2. Although the foam made from "balls" was not recommended, it working OK for me. I didn't want to use 3/4 or 1" material which was all that I could find in the "solid" materials. If one cuts with a sharp knife and then tapes the edge with white cloth tape, it makes a nice base. 3. I discovered Scotts Perilite at Eagle which makes a nice light weight gravel for the roadbed. It is white, light, glues and paints easy. 4. I seem to be able to make modules that are square, stable and level. 5. There is never enough room. Having fun Bob Kimball

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6510	From: Raynald Asselin	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: test

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6511	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: Sticking reversing unit

This is a little different, but when cleaning alone doesn't work, I have had some luck using a BULK TAPE ERASER purchased at Radio Shack to degauss or demagnitize the reversing unit. I have just held the eraser at different angles next to the reverse unit and hit it for a few seconds. I think over time the steel parts of the e-unit become magnatized, and therefore the units stick regardless of how much you clean them. Something a little weird happens sometimes during the demagatizing process, I have seen the a streamers headlight light; it seems there can be an actual transformer effect between the coil of the e-unit and that of the demagatizer, though it didn't seem to hurt anything. You might get the best results by unscrewing the e-unit from the tender chassis during the process. Your miles may vary, but it has worked for me several times.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6512	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: Sticking reversing unit

First spray some tuner cleaner or degreaser on the reversing unit, then dry it off. Keep it off the paint! Often this is all that's needed, but it's a good first step in any case. After that you're on your own to figure out what's hanging up. I always make sure the linkage is absolutely free and will drop every time on it's own by just gravity. If the plate has become a little too magnetic try tapping it sharply with a small hammer. If the finger that indexes the wheel is not free enough that's another cause for hang up but not just in neutral. Robert Morrison wrote: > > Hi All! I need some advice and consul. I have a friend who was given > some old Flyer equipment recently and he is having a problem with the > reversing unit sticking in neutral for no reason. Can anyone suggest a > possible repair or is there some way to clean the magnetic contacts to > clear up this problem? I'd like to help him with some possible answers > beyond using the "Famous Flyer Tap" method of unsticking the unit. Any > ideas? > > Thanks, > > Bob M. > "Go ahead blow the horn, it's your railroad!" > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6513	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6514	From: jde@xxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: K5 315 Boiler Front advice

Hi all jde here: I have a real neat K5-315 Loco that has two problems the first is, How can I Tighten the Boiler front so that when the Engine is Running the Boiler Front is Tight,? like now it is loose and has a tendency to pop out a fraction, which shows a halo around the front when running Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated? My second Question is My Whistling Tender Fibre Chamber has a crack in the top of the Chamber. can I lay in a bead of glue along the crack if so will it work ? or do I have to replace the Chamber and if I do can I replace it with Radio Shack 2" or 1/2 " Speaker as I have an excelent Serviceman in our area he would be willing to try the conversion i'm Sure Any help Greatly appreciated Thanks jde

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6515	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/7/2000
Subject: Re: K5 315 Boiler Front advice

Jde, Hmm, don't know about the speaker housing, suspect fixing the crack won't change the speaker much, but the boiler front is a common problem, traditionally solved by putting a small piece of masking tape on the side of the boiler front, so it tightens it a little bit. The tape eventually dries out, and has to be replaced again. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6516	From: johnb@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: S-Trax

My dealer claims he has had S-Trax straight and curved on order for months but has not received any shipments. Does anyone know where i can obtain this exciting new track?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6517	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Loose Boiler Front

Greetings, My 312 AC kept blowing its boiler front under the Christmas tree. This is the type with a rivet on the edge to "snug" it into the boiler. I thought about it, had heard about adding a drop of solder to the rivet, then decided to go for a radical repair. I took pliers and bent the flange with the rivet out a teensie, tiny bit. I was concerned that I might crack the casting of the front, so I only went a tad. Actually, I went a tad at a time and made about 3 attempts before I was satisfied that it was snug enough. So far, the front had not popped out. Good luck with yours! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6518	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Corvettes

Since the Corvette is a popular car for die cast manufacturers to make, and because it is a small car, it is hard to judge whether a model is accurate for 1:64th scale. I found the following dimensions. These, along with your scale rule, will help you determine if you should buy that Corvette in the toy section. '53 - '55 167 inches long 72 inches wide '56 - '57 168 inches long 70.5 inches wide '58 - '60 177 inches long 73 inches wide Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6519	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Re: Speakers

In a message dated 1/8/00 6:06:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << My second Question is My Whistling Tender Fibre Chamber has a crack in the top of the Chamber. can I lay in a bead of glue along the crack if so will it work ? or do I have to replace the Chamber and if I do can I replace it with Radio Shack 2" or 1/2 " Speaker as I have an excelent Serviceman in our area he would be willing to try the conversion i'm Sure Any help Greatly appreciated >> I think you'll find that those speakers are (a) too large, and (b) the wrong impedance for train use, and will quickly burn out. Over the years, we have tried many different speakers, and speaker-capacitor combinations. Most do not work for long. However, I believe we now have a suitable speaker/capacitor combination that DOES work, and does not burn out under continual use. The combination (which MUST be used together, and you MUST remove the original capacitor and resistor from the tender) is $10. Doug Port Lines

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6520	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax

John: We have S Helper track in stock including the track starter sets. Inquiries may be made toll free @ 800-264-1956. Matt Meister Des Plaines Hobbies John Stephenson wrote: > From: johnb@... (John Stephenson) > > My dealer claims he has had S-Trax straight and curved on order for > months but has not received any shipments. > > Does anyone know where i can obtain this exciting new track? > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6521	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Sale at B.T.S.

Howdy Friends Found a few more things that need a good home so we dropped the price and posted them to our web site. While mostly scale, there are some HI-Rail items listed! http://www.btsrr.com/btssale.htm Thanks for taking the time to look! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6522	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: boiler fronts

Old brittle, stiff wiring from the smoke unit to the headlamp bracket like to push the boiler front out. Obviously all's fine until you service the loco and remove the boiler front or unsolder the wires from the lamp bracket in order to get the chassis out. When you put it back together it doesn't want to stay put. Go to your local train store and purchase some "superflex" pickup wire and replace the headlamp wiring with it. Works for me. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6523	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: sticky reverse units

Wow! Could write pages on this one. Did you check the archives? Since I service for money and don't want returns I don't try quick fixes. The finger assemblies come off and the drum comes out for starters. Any surface rust on the metal frame and armature is removed with a wire wheel in a Dremel tool. Polish the drum contacts with 600 or higher grit paper. Then I treat the surface to a light coat of Deoxit from Caig labs. Use alcohol and a Q-tip to clean the notches on the side or the drum. Use needle files to clean up the pawl arm where it touches the notches. I don't like a sharp corner here. A tiny drop of very lightweight oil goes on the pawl rivet. If there's even a pinhole in any of the fingers, replace the finger unit. Depending on the quality of the replacement part these may need to be reformed so that they contact the drum in the center of the contact area. Bend the fingers in slightly toward the drum surface so there's adequate contact pressure. Clean the contact area on the old fingers that don't need replacement. Now reassemble and see what happens. Sticking? Make sure everything's "square." A parallelogram shaped unit won't cut it. Here it just takes a keen eye to get it right. Sometimes taking jewelers pliers and gently bending the tip of the brass pawl slightly up or to the right gets a sticky one working flawlessly. Doesn't stick, but "misses" a cycle? Use a toothpick and touch each of the four fingers to see which one may be misaligned. (Do this while testing with test leads connected to the transformer and the truck sideframes. Cycle the reverse unit until it fails to turn the motor when it should. Pushing on the incorrectly adjusted finger with the toothpick will cause the motor to run.) From here most likely you have to move the finger to one side or the other or reform the curved part of the finger so it hits the drum contact dead center. Or perhaps it just needs more pressure. Another thing I do is put a drop of gear oil on each side where the armature square peg goes into the round hole on the side plate. Stiff or brittle wire to the truck rivets should be replaced with superflex wire of sufficient length to permit easy truck pivoting. You should be able to get it working as good or better than new. Don [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6524	From: Neil Trump	Date: 1/8/2000
Subject: Twin motored GP20

I can't remember who it was, as I've deleted their email, sorry, but here is the location to see some pics. of the twin motored GP20 I made, for those of you interested. The quality of the pics. is not very good I'm afraid but you will get the general feel for it. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/trump/trump1.html http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/trump/trump2.html Paul, I'll get some text to you soon! Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6525	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: boiler fronts

Good tips, especially on using softer, more flexible wires. In case you have any front that let more light through than you'd like, I've found a small bead of TFE base gasket forming material does a nice job of sealing out the light (nice for night runs), yet is not a permanent adhesive, which means you can easily remove the boiler front and old sealant later. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6526	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax

Dear John, Let me apologies, First, the next run is being made now and will be shipped the end of this month with deliver the end of February. I made a mistake in not ordering additional straight track with the 24" and 29" radius curved track. We did not realize this mistake until it was too late to get more track in time, so we ran out of the 15" on December 16th and the 10" just before that. Oops! Don T. John Stephenson wrote: > From: johnb@... (John Stephenson) > > My dealer claims he has had S-Trax straight and curved on order for > months but has not received any shipments. > > Does anyone know where i can obtain this exciting new track? -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6527	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6528	From: AFSGAUGE@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/9/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 491

In a message dated 1/9/00 6:09:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << http://www.btsrr.com/btssale.htm >> Note: I have just picked up the last 4 - 6-48341 American Flyer by LTI 1999 Holiday Boxcars that my dealer I work with had left in stock. I have listed 1 of them on ebay. I am posting this in case any of the people who had been trying find one earlier is interested in bidding on this 1 or the others as I plan to auction them all off eventually. Ebay is not the evil thing some here have claimed it to be. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6529	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Silica gel Desicant

Hi all, As a shy, longtime lurker to this list, I am looking for anyone with experience using silica gel for storing tin plate AF. I will be storing my collection in a seaside resort in a concrete and block garage hence high humidity. My intent is to wrap everything in tissue paper then a plastic bread bag and finally add 1-2 gram packet of silica gel. I have searched the archives but find little mention of this. Does anyone know where I could reasonably puchase the packets? Thanks Jim Grimes TCA #97-45877 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6530	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: K5 315 Boiler Front advice

- Greeting`S' - Oozing out boiler fronts may be a problem on several locos. My 0-8-0 and a 4-8-4 suffer the same phenomenom. The little wire across the from of the 0-8-0 does not look cool. What I have noticed it the headlight wire and its fair bit of stiffness. It does not retract gracefully! As soon at more pressing matters are taken care of, I plan to substitute very flexible wire for the head- light connection that will not try to push the boiler front forward. Then an application of David's method, ab it of masking tape, should keep the front in place for quite a while. Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6531	From: Mac	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: (no subject)

>Note: I have just picked up the last 4 - 6-48341 American Flyer by LTI 1999 >Holiday Boxcars that my dealer I work with had left in stock. I have listed >1 >of them on ebay.... Ebay is not the evil thing some >here have claimed it to be. >John IMHO-Seems to me the notice of the auction is sufficent. Inflammatory comment is unnecessary and unbecoming. Mac _________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6532	From: Chaudiere, Dale	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: #963 Green Stripe Washington Observation for trade

Hi, I have a 470 SF Alco PA and was given a #963 Green Stripe Washington Observation. I would like to trade the green for a red stripe car to match the SF Alco. Based on Greenberg's Price guide I would rate the green stripe as G+. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6533	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: AF Paper: M2883

Gentlemen, I recently acquired an assortment of American Flyer goodies. I am unable to find a Greenberg listing for the pamphlet "American Flyer Track Layouts" #M2883. Is this an oddity, or did it come with another item and wasn't catalogued separately? Thank you for your ever knowledgeable responses. Humbly yours, Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6534	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Speakers

I've had perfect results using old telephone handset speakers. Don't throw out that old phone -- save the handset speaker. Many businesses have boxes of old phones around and the price is usually "help yourself." I know that the AT&T office phones with the square ends on the handset for the microphone and speaker work well. Once you dig out the speaker snip off the two resistors so you can feed AC into it. They check at approx. 70 ohms which seems high, but work perfectly with the original resistor and capacitor. I think the key here is the size of the coil, it's fairly heavy like the originals and will handle the amperage unlike the electronics store speakers which are usually rated at a fraction of an amp. With some modification they'll usually fit in using the original clamp. I kind of breadboarded things with miniature alligator clips joined by short lengths of wire to use as jumpers to make the desired connections, but ended up with the phone speaker and original capacitor and resistor as the best sounding (as good or better than a 'stock' unit.) Hope this helps, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6535	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/10/2000
Subject: Re:

I didn't consider the message particularly inflammatory, but rather apologetic in advance. John should be able to turn a nice profit on his buy-out purchase by selling them on E-bay. This is nothing new. He just saw an opportunity and took it. It reminds me of when Pentrex had a sale on Cantennary Productions items and before I could place an order, I met a dealer at a train show who had purchased the entire Pentrex stock at the sale prices and had immediately restored the old pricing and let people know that he had the entire Pentrex stock. I don't particularly like it, but it is common enough. Dale Smith Mac wrote: > From: "Mac" <Macflyer@...> > > >Note: I have just picked up the last 4 - 6-48341 American Flyer by LTI > 1999 > >Holiday Boxcars that my dealer I work with had left in stock. I have listed > >1 > >of them on ebay.... Ebay is not the evil thing some > >here have claimed it to be. > >John > IMHO-Seems to me the notice of the auction is sufficent. Inflammatory > comment is unnecessary and unbecoming. > Mac > > _________________________ > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6536	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Polishing A.F.

Does anyone have a suggestion for cleaning & polishing A.F. cars? What has worked well for you? I would like something which would brighten up dull freight & passenger cars, and yet would not damage the finish. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6537	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: CHRISTMAS CARS

The other day someone posted Christmas Cars for sale. My friend and I deleted that list. If the cars are still available could you send me the information. Glenn gartrain@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6538	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: A.F. at Ebay

Being a budget wise collector of A.F. I look for it wherever I can find it. E-Bay, Gats or what ever swap meet in my area I can find.Granted the swap meets and Gats are drying up as E-Bay gains in popularity. The last Gats show had only one seller in A.F.last year. In my opinion the only place to buy A.F. pretty soon will be E-Bay. It's a lot easier to goto the Post Office or Ups than dragging your entire stock around with you to the shows. People are out for the easy way and the quick buck.It will just take a little longer to enlarge my collection than before.Thank you all for the tips on repair. It helps me to buy operator grade and keep them running. Wayne Grinnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6539	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. at Ebay

Wayne, That better not ever happen. E-bay is the worst thing that could happen to this hobby. People like to meet other people with similar interests. People like to see what they're buying and who they're buying it from. E-bay and the like should be avoided. I hope people agree with me. Wayne Grinnell wrote: > From: Wayne Grinnell <pugeasy@...> > > Being a budget wise collector of A.F. I look for it wherever I can find it. E-Bay, Gats or what ever swap meet in my area I can find.Granted the swap meets and Gats are drying up as E-Bay gains in popularity. > The last Gats show had only one seller in A.F.last year. In my opinion the only place to buy A.F. pretty soon will be E-Bay. It's a lot easier to goto the Post Office or Ups than dragging your entire stock around with you to the shows. People are out for the easy way and the quick buck.It will just take a little longer to enlarge my collection than before.Thank you all for the tips on repair. It helps me to buy operator grade and keep them running. > > Wayne Grinnell > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6540	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 493

Silica gel packets are available from American Science and Surplus, 3605 Howard Street, Skokie, IL. 60076. Their phone number for orders is (847) 982-0870. Their stock number 10078 is a package of 2 bags of the stuff, about 8 oz each for $3.00. They have web site for orders: www.sciplus.com Silica gel is also usually available from companies that deal in machinists tools. > ____________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:55:11 -0500 > From: Jim Grimes <tsbikes@...> > Subject: Silica gel Desicant > > Hi all, > > As a shy, longtime lurker to this list, I am looking for anyone with > experience using silica gel for storing tin plate AF. > I will be storing my collection in a seaside resort in a concrete > and block garage hence high humidity. > My intent is to wrap everything in tissue paper then a plastic bread > bag and finally add 1-2 gram packet of silica gel. > I have searched the archives but find little mention of this. > Does anyone know where I could reasonably puchase the packets? > > Thanks > > Jim Grimes > TCA #97-45877 >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6541	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Painting a GP-35

I plan on painting an American Models GP-35 with a blue and yellow Santa Fe scheme. It is currently PRR black. Does anyone know of anything that would help me in this endeavor? Are there any templates, decals, or stamps available that can be used so I don't have to rely completely on my questionable artistic ability?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6542	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Painting a GP-35

Dear Scott, Microscale had a blue and Yellow AT&SF diesel set that might work. I am sorry, I do not have the number. Don Thompson Scott Holm wrote: > From: Scott Holm <IMSSCOTT@...> > > I plan on painting an American Models GP-35 with a blue and yellow Santa Fe > scheme. It is currently PRR black. Does anyone know of anything that would > help me in this endeavor? Are there any templates, decals, or stamps > available that can be used so I don't have to rely completely on my > questionable artistic ability? > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6543	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/11/2000
Subject: Re: Painting a GP-35

At 9:59 PM 1/11/0, Don Thompson wrote: > Microscale had a blue and Yellow AT&SF diesel set that might work. I am >sorry, I do not have the number. >Don Thompson The Microscale number is 64-17 titled Santa Fe Diesels Blue & Yellow Warbonnet, 1972-89. Scott, I have one set. If you want it, contact me off list and it is yours. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6544	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Train Picture Format

Morning all, It is morning when I am writing this. Sort of a train question. My friend has a MAC computer and I want to send hime some pixs of of my CBAT equipment. He does not seem to be able to accept pixs in JPEG format, does anybody know a format I can use so that he will be able to to open them on the MAC??? Thanks for any help in advance. PS, if this question is out of order, I am sorry, and I will not ask anything but pure trains questions in the future. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6545	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: A.F. at Ebay

Since there aren't many shows near me; Ebay has been a boon. The shows I have gone to have had one or two AF specific vendors and they wanted prices higher than even Greenberg and were non-negotiable. Some items were "modified", no way to test on site (trust me-it works/runs fine), no business card/phone number, would only take cash, etc.. Other AF stuff vendors had were junk, etc. The exception was one vendor who was selling new AM & SHS at discount-also a great person to deal with. Of course you need to know what you are willing to pay. Buy by mail from established dealers (TrainsN'More, PortLines, SSS, etc.) is another option. I guess I've been lucky in my Ebay purchases. Almost all items have been as described. For the ones that weren't, I have been able to resolve directly thru the seller. My biggest problem has been shipping damage and that has happened even directly from manufacturers. There have been one or two exceptions, but that can happen regardless of who/where you buy. So my bottom line is let the buyer beware but please don't put down Ebay out of hand. Any place we can buy/sell/swap should be welcomed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6546	From: Scott Brown	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: Train Shows

I too would be very disappointed if ebay replaces trains shows like Greenberg and GATS. While I have purchased several good items on ebay, I enjoy the looking and lusting over AF at the shows. I also like meeting others like myself. I'm particularly looking forward to the Greenberg show January 22 and 23 in Northern Virginia. The Atlantic Coast S Gauge Club will have a layout there and we will be recruiting members for a new Northern Virginia Chapter. If any of you are in the area, please come say hello. We plan to have our first meeting at my house in Manassas, Virginia on Saturday, February 5 th. My 14 y/o son would be interested in meeting any teenagers in the area that would like to join as well. This could be a great opportunity to get your kids and grand kids involved in toy trains. Everyone come on out and support S gauge and the train shows so that ebay isn't the only place to play trains. Scott Brown sbrown56@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6547	From: Scott Brown	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Sale

BTW. My local train dealer has his S gauge stock on sale at 20% off. He has a good supply of freight cars including some Gilbert T-Tux sets, a couple of Conrail (LTI) GP-7s, a Milwaukee EP-5, a NPK H GP power and dummy set, a NH PA A-B-A set, a UP PB with Railsounds, some S-Helper stock cars, a AM NYC GP-9, a AM PRR F-7 and more. He wants to be able to buy some of the newer products out there and needs to move the existing inventory in order to justify it. It's nice to have a local store that wants to carry S gauge. He is also interested in sponsoring our soon-to-be Northern Virginia S Gauge club. If you are interested, call : Train Depot Sudley Corner Center 7214-16 New Market Court Manassas, Virginia 22110 703-335-2216 Hope this is an appropriate posting for the list. My apologies if it is not. Thanks. Scott Brown sbrown56@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6548	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER at EBAY

I too would rather see more train shows. At each show we seem to be able to sign up new club members. I have not seen many American Flyer dealers at GATS shows. Greenberg has several American Flyer dealers. We also have large shows at the Allentown Fairgrounds twice a year which have several American Flyer dealers. If more local clubs could be developed then they could sponser local shows at firehouses to locate more local members. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6549	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: polishing AF rolling stock

There are different schools of thought on this (imagine that). If you want a glossy "better than new" look, I recommend washing the body section in a mild solution of luke warm water and liquid Ivory soap (not detergents, and watch out for decals, etc). Dry well, then wipe it down with a cotton cloth moistened with Endust, and finish with a dry cotton cloth. I did this with several "seen better days" cars for my kids. It really made 642 box cars and other rolling stock look great. On the other hand, some might argue that it makes them look shinier than they ever did originally, and/or that eventually the Endust residue will turn "bad" somehow (not exactly sure what that means). So the other option is to simply dust with a soft paint brush, and spot clean with an even milder solution of liquid Ivory and water, dry, and leave as is. I've done that with most of my rolling stock, but then again, they generally start off in better shape than the group I fixed up for my preschoolers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6550	From: Toyguy5344@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: DIY bridge plans

Hey gang: the new issue of Garden Railways has a plan for a truss bridge. The plan calls for wood, however, with a little of that "backyard engineering" which any operator needs, anything from Plastruct to Erector can be substituted. Scale people may want to reduce its width and height, but a tinplate or highrail operator will enjoy having this robust looking structure supporting two lanes of track. Check it out. - john Marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6551	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@xxxx.xxx.xxxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Randy Sappo

It is with great sadness that I convey the following information: Randy Sappo, a dear friend to many people on this list and in the world of S has passed away. Randy was a master scratch-builder as anyone who has seen his work will attest. More importantly, he was a kind and generous man who was a friend to all. His passing will create a large gap in the S community. Unfortunately, I don't have any funeral information at this time. Hopefully, someone in the Pittsburgh area will be good enough to post the information. Thank you, Gary Ippolito

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6552	From: Cbtrainnut@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Christmas Car/Catalogs/Promo. "s"

Hi Don and Robin, This may be a repeat e-mail because of a problem with the computer last week, please forgive if it is. First , I received my Christmas car just after the first of the year and was really pleased with it. It looked nicer than I thought it would from looking at the catalog. I wish I had started buying the S-Helper Christmas cars sooner. How about a Tanker car or vat car of some type to haul some Holiday egg nog around in? Second, the Miami Valley S Gaugers met at my house to take a look at my wifes and my Christmas layout . (http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/) Sam Pellagrini said he had spoken with Robin about getting some S-Helper catalogs to pass out at upcoming GAT Shows to help promote the Scale. Sam can't make the next show in Cincinnati, so I volunteered to contact you about having the materials mailed to my address so that I could take them to the show. If you need money for this, to cover cost of postage etc.,please let me know so I can get a check from the treasurer to you. My last question is also about promoting S-Gauge. We are looking into a small layout to put in the play room at Children's Hospital here in Dayton. When I used to work at Children's In Cincy,they had a slot car set for the kids to play with. We are talking about setting up the club layout for a weekend at children's for the kids to see, then present them with a layout around 3'x 6' or 8' depending on the room size at the hospital. This is all in the beginning stages at this point,hopefully to be put into action by next Christmas. We were wondering if S-helper might be able to help us in this project with a small discount on track or maybe even adiscount on a starter set. If you aren't able too, we understand that. Thanks for your help, hope to hear from you soon. Chris Burger Miami Valley S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6553	From: RBubeck327@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: AF Paper: M2883

In a message dated 1/10/00 6:40:36 PM, wmhtreftsv@... writes: << I recently acquired an assortment of American Flyer goodies. I am unable to find a Greenberg listing for the pamphlet "American Flyer Track Layouts" #M2883. Is this an oddity, or did it come with another item and wasn't catalogued separately? >> Bill, I consulted with my "paper" friend, Andy Jugle. M2883 is AF Track Layouts, which (I believe) is a 8.5X11 fold over to 5.5 X8 slick paper (4 pages) with 10 layouts, scenery hints, etc. It is not a terribly great oddity, but rather is another in a long line of handouts by Gilbert. There are roughly 4000 "M" documents, so most of these are not in listings such as those provided by Greenberg. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6554	From: JoeAWood@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Cleaning and polishing

Digest 494 Mike Leahy Asked about ways to polish AF trains. I use the soft horse hair brush I also use to polish my shoes.The small amounts of polish left over in brush put a shine on the cars and help's to protect the finish. After polishing my black shoes it sure does make the steam engines look good. Joe JOEAWOOD@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6555	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Contest

Okay guys, we're going to run a contest here. I don't know what the prize will be, but I think this will be both fun and useful. I was going through my piles of AF and found that I have about 50 - 60 of the #706 remote uncouplers. I know I can't use all I have to uncouple cars, and my guess is you can't either. The contest will be to find/design a GOOD use for all these. I'm sure the solenoid/actuator can be used to make something else useful. I'm sure we'll get some silly ideas, but I would really like to see some good ideas. Note: I've already used one as a "joy buzzer" on a chair seat actuated by pressure of someone sitting on the seat. Was funny for a while, but now everyone checks the chairs around here before they sit down. (Yeah, I was always a class clown and practical joker) Let's see how many good ideas we come up with by the end of January. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6556	From: Cathy Pendleton	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: Polishing A. F. Cars

I have had excellent results using Turtle Wax auto polish for clearcoat finishes. Got this suggestion from a longtime collector and friend, who has only VG+ to EX pieces. The polish comes in a plastic "can", white in color with green and yellow graphics. Dampen a soft cloth, use small amount of polish, and rub gently. Use a cotton swab in tight areas. I NEVER touch the lettering, but it is no problem to rub painted areas. I sometimes take several hours to do one item--the extreme was a MoPac 21922 21922-1 Alco set I spent 10 hours on. The results were worth it, though. Many light scratches, grime, and dead paint were removed, leaving two Alco's that were at least a grade, if not two, better than when I started on them. The polish will leave haze and deposits in crevices. Just remove the residue with a fingernail brush or tooth brush. Write me offline if you want to discuss further. I will also contact my buddy for help if you have any questions I don't feel comfortable answering. Regards, Steve Pendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6557	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: 792 railroad Terminal for sale / streamliner cars wanted

After a relayout of my layout I finally decided that the 792 terminal took up too much room for my layout. So if there is someone interested in one, send me an email. It is in very good condition with all the parts there: 2 sides, 4 base strips, 4 girders, 5 ramps, press-pins for assy., and a frosted repro top. Nothing is broken but there are a few small scratches and scrapes and the beige /gray color looks a little dirty. I have a digital camera so if there is any interest I'll email pictures to whoever is interested. I paid about $160 for it a few years ago so if there is any interest start there. UPS should be cheap as there is not much weight to it when disassembled. I am looking for some American Models streamliner passenger cars (the 5 shorter ones) in Hi-rail if someone has some floating around in very good or better condition. I also need an American Models FA shell in Great Northern. I have a Canadian Pacific Shell to trade. Thanks: Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6558	From: Lee Johnson	Date: 1/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Randy Sappo

At 3:02 PM 1/12/0, <Gary.L.Ippolito@...> wrote: >It is with great sadness that I convey the following information: > >Randy Sappo, a dear friend to many people on this list and in the world of >S >has passed away. Randy was truly a "great" (person, modeler, etc.) in the S scale community, and in model railroading in general. He earned and deserved his title of "Mr. Structures" in S scale. He also brought S to the forefront of model railroading with his prize winning structures being entered in NMRA contests. He will be missed by all those who knew him and knew of him. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6559	From: John Conant	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas Car/Catalogs/Promo

Chris Burger wrote: > Second, the Miami Valley S Gaugers met at my house to take a look at my > wifes and my Christmas layout . (http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/) Chris, Enjoyed seeing your layout photos. I'm curious about what brand(s) of buildings you are using. Are they close to scale for S (not that I'm that picky for a Christmas layout, myself)? I've been using some very inexpensive (~$10) ones from K-mart, available only around the holidays... -- Sincerely, John Conant ======================================================================= A skeleton walks into a bar. He orders a beer -- and a mop. jconant@... John Conant Amiga 4000 Member Team AMIGA ICQ: 18281553 =======================================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6560	From: Cbtrainnut@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Christmas layout

John Wrote : "I'm curious about what brand(s) of buildings you are using. Are they close to scale for S (not that I'm that picky for a Christmas layout, myself)? I've been using some very inexpensive (~$10) ones from K-mart, available only around the holidays" Hi John,I'm glad you enjoyed the photo's. We have been buying mostly Dept. 56 buildings and accessories for the layout I don't have any true S-scale people to really be able to judge the Height of the doors on the buildings. But, looking at my 1/64 scale cars, the people that would fit in them would probably fit through the doors of the houses too. We have also bought some houses ,trees and people by Lemax , and a few items from K-mart and Wal-mart. Lowes also carries some good items too. The people on the layout are way too tall for the cars and buildings but no one seems to care. It's a toy train layout to me. I just have a lot of fun putting it up every year. Hopefully I have my 3rd floor train room finished by next year so I can leave it up all year round. If you have any more questions ,let me know! Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6561	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Smoke and the price of Flyer

Well, here's something I won't be buying anymore. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232091098 I hope this doesn't give the Supersmoke guys any ideas! And to think that I threw out dried up capsules. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6562	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke and the price of Flyer

Hmm, I'm not sure just what is being sold here! Here's part of the description; "There are a total of nine (9) boxes of 12 cartriges each with the original boxes. Also, no shown, are two boxes the twelve were packed in." So, is this 9 shipping boxes of 12 boxes of cartriges, or nine cartrige packs and two shipping boxes? or just 108 cartriges with two retail boxes? If the sale is of nine shipping boxes of retail boxes, then the price is probably OK, otherwise, HUH??? I don't think I've EVER used these cartriges, I always had bottles of smoke fluid, although I suspect I"ve got a box or two of them around. I have noticed very high prices for mint stuff since Christmas, though. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6563	From: bgaylord@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Hand Rewinding

Hi Guys; Could you give me some feedback on your experience on hand rewinding the AF steamer armecher and fields. Ohm readings and wire gauge. Have you experimented with different wire gauge combinations then recommended? Also any input on a commercial rewinder. Thanks. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6564	From: mhrreast@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: more Corvettes and die cast

Since the Corvette is a popular car for die cast manufacturers to make, and because it is a small car, it is hard to judge whether a model is accurate for 1:64th scale. I found the following dimensions. These, along with your scale rule, will help you determine if you should buy that Corvette in the toy section. '53 - '55 167 inches long 72 inches wide 52 inches high '56 - '57 168 inches long 70.5 inches wide 52 inches high '58 - '60 177 inches long 73 inches wide 52.4 inches high '61 - '62 176.7 long 70.4 wide 52.2 high '63 - '67 175.2 long 69.2 wide 49.8 high '68 - '72 182.5 long 69 wide 47.8 high For those of you looking for more variety of common cars, Racing Champs has a consolation prize to help take the place of Mint Editions. A line of Petty Racing (Nascar) cars is available including many Mopar and some Olds from the '50's and '60's;l $3.99 at K-mart, $1.99 at Big Lots (and possibly other surplus stores). You will need to provide "street" paint in place of the Nascar paint. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6565	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Contest Entry

O.K. how about using those solenoid coils on the long awaited reproductions of the 752/752A785 clamshell bucket assembly? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6566	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Contest Entry

My first entry: Glue a popsicle stick on top of the two lift pieces. Set the rear edge of your 770 baggage loading platform on this. Now when the platform fails to slide the baggage box all the way down the ramp, push the uncoupler button: the resulting extra tilt and vibrations should do the job!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6567	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Contest Entry

Roger, A lot of uncouplers would give you the flexiblity to drop a car almost anywhere on your layout. OR The 706 uncouplers bring about $5 each on eBay. The resulting flow of cash could be put toward retirement or additional purchases of AF. :-) PS: How many of the uncouplers come with WHITE buttons? Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6568	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: Re: Train Shows & eBay

Well, I am one collector / operator that eBay brought into the hobby a little over a year ago. I now have a sizeable collection of AF about 50% purchased on eBay. About 1/3 of my collection has been purchased at trains shows I have attended over the past year, and the remainder in trains shops. If it hadn't been for eBay in the first place, I would have never made it to the trains shows to make those purchases. (I spent way too much money at York :-) I love eBay, but I really enjoyed York! I live in Florida. I am trying to include a visit to York in vacation plans sometime in 2000, but the wife is resisting, just a little. I think you guys are missing the point here. It isn't eBay vs trains shows that is the problem... Let me put it this way. At all three of the trains shows I have attended, I have seen only one child present actually purchasing (or even interested) in trains. Every direction, I see guys my age or older. I did see a father and son approach a table at the recent Orlando TCA meet. The father pointed out the price of a Northern Pacific Set ($2200.00) in an apparent effort to convince the lad that the trains were just too expensive for them. I found that a little sad... I don't recall seeing any other kids, and they were few and far between at York as well. The real question is not where you buy your trains, but in a few decades, is anyone going to be left to care for and about them? I am afraid that the last guy of my generation (I am 50 years old) that dies is going to have one heck of a train collection, much of it picked up for a song. I hope I am wrong about that...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6569	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: contest entry

Gather together all our surplus uncouplers, get about a hundred old dial telephones to provide contact reeds, and make hundreds of relays. Use these relays to construct -- DA DAH! -- a computer! (I saw one like this recently on display at Harvard. It's room size.) Plug this computer into a phone line. Sign on to S-list. Need I say more? Tom P.S.: What's the prize in this contest again?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6570	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/13/2000
Subject: streamliner Great Northern cars wanted

Don: Sorry, I didn't mean short like Flyer shortened cars, I meant short as from the set of 5 shorter cars not the 3 longer ones. I know my memory is going fast. From an ad in S-gaugian jJan 85 pg 2 (and also page 8) American models streamliners: Baggage/dorm, coach, sleeper, vista dome and observation in kit form. I had a set of UP's I put togeather once. Was it the heavyweights where there were 5 standard length cars and then 3 longer length cars as an add-on set? Actually I have so many of your cars (and AM) now that I don't think in AF terms anymore. Anyway if there is a reasonable set out there let me know. thanks; eric reis kenmore, wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Thompson <robin@...> To: The Reis's <finnhill@...> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 792 railroad Terminal for sale / streamliner cars wanted > Dear Eric, > American Models did not make short streamline cars> Don t.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6571	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@xxxx.xxx.xxxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Update on Randy Sappo

Randy Sappo's death notice was in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette yesterday. I'm sorry that I didn't get a chance to post it sooner. Here are the particulars: SAPPO, Randy A., 55, of Stowe, died suddenly Jan. 11, 2000. Friends received at Anthony J. Sanvito Funeral Home, Stowe. (DN) 1650 Broadway, McKees Rocks Thurs and Fri 2-5 and 7-9 p.m. Funeral Service in the funeral home Saturday 9:30 a.m. Mass of Christian Burial St. John of God Parish, Mother of Sorrows Church, 10 a.m. According to Karen, she went to bed the other night while he was working downstairs. When she woke, he wasn't in bed so she looked for him and found him on the floor as a result of a massive heart attack. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6572	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Unbelievable Smoke

Apparently my ultimate smoke yesterday was really the penultimate. Today is the ultimate. Please return to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=232091098 The auction has ended. 21 bids were placed for 9 boxes of 12 American Flyer smoke capsules, most of which were dried up. Also included were the little aluminum funnels and two shipping packages which each could contain 6 of the nine boxes. The seller reports that only 106 cartridges are included. If I saw this package for sale at York I might spend $10 on it, but not 20. When I posted yesterday, the price was up to $91 with an hour and a half to go. Today, I checked the final price . . . are you ready? $536.52 (reserve met) Seriously. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6573	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Streamliners and Heavyweights

Eric Reis said: >I meant short as from the set of 5 shorter cars not the 3 longer ones. >American models streamliners: Baggage/dorm, coach, sleeper, vista dome and >observation. Eric: A few years ago, both AM and SHS jointly marketed heavyweight passenger cars in sets of 5 and sets of 3. The shorter five were coaches, baggage cars and observation deck cars. The longer three were sleepers and diners and were pretty much too long for 19" Flyer curves, especially switches. These cars are ready-to-run. American Models built a set of streamliners in scale length. Five cars make up a complete set as you pointed out. These are longer than the long heavyweights (80+ scale feet), and came in kit form. There are no short streamliners in S except for Flyer, to the best of my knowledge. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6574	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Streamliners

Eric: A post script to my last message. Great Northern was never, to my knowledge, a roadname offered in the streamliners. You must be thinking of the heavyweights where so many liveries were produced. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6575	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Contest Entry

Mount the uncouplers vertically on each side of a length of track and horizontally above. Mount a plastic strip to the vibrating ribs with feather duster style treated feathers. Build a scenic housing to look like corrugated metal. Voila! A functional car washer! When the car enters, the gently moving feathers will really clean dust off your rolling stock without damage. With 12 or 15 uncouplers going at once, it will be noisy, though. Remember, you heard it here first! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6576	From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners and Heavyweights

"There are no short streamliners in S except for Flyer, to the best of my knowledge," says Chris Zizzo. Chris may wish to add to his knowledge the fact that Schreiner Scale Models makes several such cars. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6577	From: David_Horn@xxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: toxic vs. non-toxic smoke

I just bought a bottle of odor-free, smokeless lamp oil to try it instead of continuing to consume increasingly expensive small-bottle smoke fluid (e.g. Live Steam). However, I noticed that the lamp oil bottle cautions strongly that the oil is extremely dangerous and possibly fatal if ingested, especially for children. Small-bottle smoke fluids are typically marked non-toxic. Why the difference? While I like the idea of spending ~$4 for what should turn out to be a few years worth of fluid, I don't relish the fact that it's toxic and more dangerous. I lock up all cleaners and chemicals, but do have the smoke fluid out for use when playing trains with the kids and their friends. PS If you're tuckered out about reading smoke notes, just skip them by subject. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6578	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Project Status at B.T.S.

Howdy Friends Just a quick note to let you know what has been going on around here the last few days... East End Grocery Newest laser-cut kit is a small grocery store. Complete with interior components and the bench of the porch, this store will fit just about any layout. The footprint is about 18' x 34'. Backorders have been shipped and stock is on the shelf. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7226.htm EBT #6 0-6-0 Just got an e-mail from the builder, and all pattern work for this loco is done. Samples will be here in about a week with the R-T-R sample right behind them. Scale only; no hi-rail. http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm Remember, this is a standard gauge loco built off the Baldwin standard plans of the 1890's, so similar locos saw service on other roads. Don't miss it! House Cleaning Sale The pile of S Scale and Hi-Rail stuff is getting smaller... http://www.btsrr.com/btssale.htm All for now... Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6579	From: Mac	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: My Contest Entry

Since we have guys that move on the boxcar, caboose, semaphore, crossing and light tower, we need people to jump up and down at Mystic station or talking station or even the Plasticville station whenever a train arrives. Therefore, we hook a bunch of uncouplers to a track trip or two, put the fake grass mat over them, glue some folks on to the uncoupler plate and when the train arrives away they go, merrily jumping up and down in celebration! :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6580	From: S-Trains-owner@xxxxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6581	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners

All the ads in the S-Gaugian in the 85-86 time frame show a picture of an Empire Builder painted version. So did they advertise this and never use that paint scheme? I thought I had seen some along the way. But as someone said: "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most" Thanks for clearing up the 5 3 part. eric reis ----- Original Message ----- From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> To: slist <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Streamliners > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > Eric: > A post script to my last message. > > Great Northern was never, to my knowledge, a roadname offered in the > streamliners. You must be thinking of the heavyweights where so many > liveries were produced. > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6582	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Revell Buildings

Does anyone remember any articles on modifying the Weekly Herald or the Superior Bakery to work with 'S"?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6583	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Manual Switch Adjustment

Gentlemen, oops, Y'all, (Someone reminded me not everyone on the list is male.) Last night I did my first figure 8 layout in my life. I think I'm starting to get the 7 year old grandson interested. Just have to keep dreaming up or trying out different layouts to "keep it changing." His building a Lego archway helped. To the question. I have 2 manual switches that I've cleaned up and may use in the next "layout." But they don't through all the way. I'm wondering if there should be a grommet in the fork, around the pin, just below the manual shifting lever. As it is, there is just an oversize fork that shifts a 3/32" pin. Another question. One of these switches has a loose collar where it mounts to the top plate. Any suggestions as to the best or easiest repair for this? Thank y'all in advance. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6584	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] more Corvettes and die cast

Just to note that the Racing Champions Mint edition cars live on as "Classified Classics" for $2.99 each. The first one being the 37 Cord 810 in Red. It appears to be the same as the Mint edition except the change to a simple blisterpack packaging. They list the first 18 on the back with many of the Mint cars and combining in custom cars, pickups, classics, fords chevies, mustangs, etc. I found a few at Target this week so there are a few out. Anyone see the ERTL !/64 car kits! These appear to be Racing Champion Mint cars unassembled and changed to be held together by a screw. Now if someone needs some Johnny Lightning or Matchbox corvettes I have some sets I would like to part with. eric reis Kenmore, wa ----- Original Message ----- From: <mhrreast@...> To: <s-scale@onelist.com>; <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: [S-Scale] more Corvettes and die cast > From: mhrreast@... > > Since the Corvette is a popular car for die cast manufacturers to make, > and because it is a small car, it is hard to judge whether a model is > accurate for 1:64th scale. I found the following dimensions. These, > along with your scale rule, will help you determine if you should buy > that Corvette in the toy section. > > '53 - '55 167 inches long 72 inches wide 52 inches high > '56 - '57 168 inches long 70.5 inches wide 52 inches high > '58 - '60 177 inches long 73 inches wide 52.4 inches high > '61 - '62 176.7 long 70.4 wide 52.2 high > '63 - '67 175.2 long 69.2 wide 49.8 high > '68 - '72 182.5 long 69 wide 47.8 high > > > For those of you looking for more variety of common cars, > Racing Champs has a consolation prize to help take the place of > Mint Editions. A line of Petty Racing (Nascar) cars is available > including many Mopar and some Olds from the '50's and '60's;l > $3.99 at K-mart, $1.99 at Big Lots (and possibly other surplus > stores). You will need to provide "street" paint in place of the > Nascar paint. > > Ted Larson > Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division > 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! > 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6585	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert Reproductions

Hi Everyone, I recently talked with Tom Seccia of Gilbert Reproductions by E-Mail. There had been several queries about the status of Gilbert Reproductions on this list lately so I thought I would give a report based on what Tom told me. He hopes to have all the towers ready by April so that he will have samples at York and be able to make dealer deliveries there also. The first production will be Gabe the Lamplighters, Checkerboard water towers, Beacon towers, and Floodlight towers. About 2/3 of the Gabes are pre-sold. The track gangs and car washer which were supposed to have been out last summer have been delayed (obviously). He is having problems getting these produced. The quartering tools for Northerns are finished and available for $104.95. Sounds to me that if you want a Northern Quartering tool or Gabe you should contact you dealer now. Two dealers I know of are Joe Haenn, Joes Train Repair and Doug Peck, Portlines Hobbies. Both are on this list. For those of you in the Northern Virginia area, we hope to see you at the Greenberg Chantilly show next weekend, January 22 - 23. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6586	From: Dale Smith	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Ebay Smoke Cartridges

Can anyone explain how a bid jumps from $95 to $500+ in one jump. I know bidders state their maximum amounts when they bid and are then automatically bid up to that amount to beat other lower bids. All I can figure is that these last two guys wanted this stuff pretty bad and were fighting it out. What I can't figure is did the bids jump up automatically based on the maximum these two set up, or was it active bidding? If it was automatic, why such an odd maximum bid amount of $526.52 or $536.52. Also, when I first looked at the auction, I only saw one bidder over $500, #2. How did he get up that high without another bidder fighting him. Anyone have any guesses as to how this happened? Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6587	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners

> All the ads in the S-Gaugian in the 85-86 time frame show a picture of an > Empire Builder painted version. This makes sense: I believe that the prototypes for these models were Empire Builder cars. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6588	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 496

In a message dated 1/14/00 4:27:30 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: For Chris Zizzo...........Holy Smoke.........must be for that price! Steve Blackburn RMHR...Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6589	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: 99 xmas boxcars

I think it's a shame that a lot of Dealers are holding back on the 99 Boxcars. They are selling them on ebay or having someone to sell for them. They claim the car is part of a rather low production run making it a real collectible piece of AF / LTI history. That's B S. Anyway we don't have a chose but to pay high prices for this one. For you guys that got yours for the 35.00 good for you. Most dealers don't care about us S Guys anyway.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6590	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Re: Streamliners

Dear Chris, Pretty funny! The American Models 85' streamliners' prototype was the GN Empire Builders cars. Ron used the 1953 Car Builders Cyc for his research. GN was the first scheme offered. You should be able to find these as they were available for over a decade. We also offered the 8 heavyweight cars in this GN scheme, and for those who purchased the GN RPO and baggage car, you could make up a nice train. Don T., The Reis's wrote: > From: "The Reis's" <finnhill@...> > > All the ads in the S-Gaugian in the 85-86 time frame show a picture of an > Empire Builder painted version. So did they advertise this and never use > that paint scheme? I thought I had seen some along the way. But as someone > said: "Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most" Thanks for > clearing up the 5 3 part. > > eric reis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> > To: slist <S-Trains@onelist.com> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 7:49 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] Streamliners > > > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > > > Eric: > > A post script to my last message. > > > > Great Northern was never, to my knowledge, a roadname offered in the > > streamliners. You must be thinking of the heavyweights where so many > > liveries were produced. > > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > > Sign up for eLerts at: > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6591	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Reserves (was Ebay Smoke)

--- Dale Smith <dfsmith@...> wrote: > Can anyone explain how a bid jumps from $95 to $500+ > in one jump. I when I first looked at > the auction, I only > saw one bidder over $500, #2. How did he get up > that high without > another bidder fighting him. Dale, when there is a **reserve** , the bid will jump to the reserve if the reserve is met. In other words...say the seller has a $500 reserve and a $10 minimum bid. If the first bidder bids $20, the bid will show as $10. He has NOT met the reserve price and there are no other bidders. If someone else bids $15, the first bidder's bid gets bumped up to $16.50 because he said his HIGHEST bid was $20. Now...say someone comes along and says I WANT THIS, and bids $700! The bid will jump to the $500 as the seller's reserve has been met. If someone meets the reserve, the price will jump to that reserve and a you will see the note "reserve has been met" under or next to the bid amount. If you need more info, I would be happy to help. Email me off-list. Regards, Dennis Miami, Fl. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6592	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: S in the Rock (Island)

Greetings all, I asked this months ago but I deleted all of replys to my original message in a fit of house cleaning:). What is out there in the S gauge world in Rock Island bankruptcy blue, RTR, Kits, decals what have you. I have purchased (and painted0 Rock diesels and rolling stock in HO and O now I desire to add to my S holdings Thanks Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6593	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Manual Switch Adjustment

My manual switches all throw enough and there is no grommet. Have you unscrewed the bottom plate to see if the spring and detent are free? They should snap over under tension of the detent spring when thrown. Haven't got any experience with the loose colar so can't comment. However, You might disassemble that and see if it can be peened to tighten up. The manual switches are not so expensive that screwing one up is a disaster. However, I suggest you find out from Doug Peck (http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html) if he has replacement parts before you attack it. Way to go with the grandson. I know how much fun you're having with him. Mine's only 2+ and I let him play with stuff he can't break beyond repair. He loves it! We find when running our layout at train shows that the kids really enjoy our action cars, especially the rocket car that we let them launch with the button on the spectator side of the layout. William H Trefts wrote: > > From: William H Trefts <wmhtreftsv@...> > > Gentlemen, oops, Y'all, (Someone reminded me not everyone on the list > is male.) > > Last night I did my first figure 8 layout in my life. I think I'm > starting to get the 7 year old grandson interested. Just have to keep > dreaming up or trying out different layouts to "keep it changing." His > building a Lego archway helped. > > To the question. I have 2 manual switches that I've cleaned up and may > use in the next "layout." But they don't through all the way. I'm > wondering if there should be a grommet in the fork, around the pin, just > below the manual shifting lever. As it is, there is just an oversize > fork that shifts a 3/32" pin. > > Another question. One of these switches has a loose collar where it > mounts to the top plate. Any suggestions as to the best or easiest > repair for this? > > Thank y'all in advance. > > Bill Trefts > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > For the fastest and easiest way to backup your files and, access them > from anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance > to win a digital camera. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/Atbackup ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6594	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/14/2000
Subject: Contest entry

Use them for switch motors for AM and other non Flyer track systems Steve Blackburn RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6595	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Smoke Cartridges

It will happen if the new bid meets the reserve. For instance if I set a reserve of $725 and an opening bid of $20 if someone bids $50 it will only go to $20 and then in one dollar increments till it hits his Max of 50. If at $45 someone were to bid $800, then it would jump to the reserve of $750. Hope that helps, John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6596	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Reserves (was Ebay Smoke)

This one didn't jump because of the reserve. I noticed that the reserve was met when it was much lower. It jumped because two bidders got into a bidding war right near the end and they both bid big maximums. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Back <backden@...> To: Dale Smith <dfsmith@...>; S-Trains Mail List <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ebay Reserves (was Ebay Smoke) > From: Dennis Back <backden@...> > > --- Dale Smith <dfsmith@...> wrote: > > Can anyone explain how a bid jumps from $95 to $500+ > > in one jump. I > when I first looked at > > the auction, I only > > saw one bidder over $500, #2. How did he get up > > that high without > > another bidder fighting him. > > Dale, when there is a **reserve** , the bid will jump > to the reserve if the reserve is met. In other > words...say the seller has a $500 reserve and a $10 > minimum bid. If the first bidder bids $20, the bid > will show as $10. He has NOT met the reserve price and > there are no other bidders. If someone else bids $15, > the first bidder's bid gets bumped up to $16.50 > because he said his HIGHEST bid was $20. Now...say > someone comes along and says I WANT THIS, and bids > $700! The bid will jump to the $500 as the seller's > reserve has been met. If someone meets the reserve, > the price will jump to that reserve and a you will see > the note "reserve has been met" under or next to the > bid amount. > > If you need more info, I would be happy to help. > Email me off-list. > > Regards, > Dennis > Miami, Fl. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6597	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 xmas boxcars

> From: GPMLG@... > > I think it's a shame that a lot of Dealers are holding back on the 99 > Boxcars. > They are selling them on ebay or having someone to sell for them. They claim > the car is part of a rather low production run making it a real collectible > piece of AF / LTI history. > That's B S. Anyway we don't have a chose but to pay high prices for this > one. For you guys that got yours for the 35.00 good for you. > Most dealers don't care about us S Guys anyway. > These cars ARE in short supply, the dealers aren't holding them back. I saw these at dealers in my area before Christmas and they didn't have very many of them. Expecting one for Christmas, I passed. Then I didn't get it and had to hunt one up after Christmas. Two of the dealers I went to had sold them out before Christmas, and another said he ordered one for a customer and never received it. Another dealer at the GATS show who has all the Christmas cars going back to about 91 didn't even have it. I found ONE at Earles Hobbies and Crafts on the web. If anybody is holding out, it's Lionel.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6598	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Structure footprints

While doing some track planning this morning I was left wondering about what structures might be available to fit in a space. And in another case, I was interested in including a particular type of structure, and was wondering if it was available, and if so from what manufacturer(s), and about how much space it required. Has anyone compiled a list showing the basics for S structures -- structure, manufacturer's name, footprint size, and perhaps type? Obviously my interest in footprint size and would love to see such a list with consistent units for the size represented. Thanks in advance Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6599	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: kids & Flyer

Have had wonderful experiences with little kids and my trains. Some kids like them, some kids don't. This is probably because most young Americans don't see or ride many (any) real trains. Girls are just as likely to like them as boys are. One morning before my son was old enough to walk, he woke up before us, crawled into the living room, plugged in the transformer, and was running trains when I awoke. Another time he stuck the nipple of his apple juice bottle into the bulb hole of a turret transformer and left it there. Wanted to share, I guess. Yet another time, he filled the coal dump car with Cheez Doodles and dumped it. He soon became very skilled at operating, especially switching in the freight yards. Now he is at the music and girls age -- no time for trains and I don't blame him. Kids especially love the action cars, as many people have said here. Since it's hard for even an adult to stop a train precisely at the right spot, I make a wand for the kids. This is a large nail covered with vinyl tape except at the tip, soldered to a wire attached to the fixed voltage post. All the kid has to do to operate an action car is touch this nail to the car's shoe or truck, wherever the car is on the layout.. They enjoy the resulting sparks too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6600	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar

Well, I just can't understand why would Lionel do that when they are trying to sell as must as they can. Or are they? Maybe someone need to contact them so I can understand what kind on business they are running. Maybe someone here can tell me what they are doing. Or give me there E-mail and I'll contact them. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6601	From: MWelbornjr@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Nice sets!!

I noticed several nice sets in the TCA Quarterly. Including the NYC Pacemaker for $8000. All were from Dennis Bagby. I wonder if they are the same sets he has pictured in the Greenberg Set Book.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6602	From: Drgw489@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: S Scale layout open house

Hello Everyone I know their layout isn't Sn3, but since we're all in the same scale, I thought those of you attending the Symposium in Denver might be interested to know that the Buckingham S Scalers will have their layout open on Saturday, February 19th and Sunday, February 20th during the NMRA Rocky Mountain Region Sunrise Div. Buckingham Mall Train Show. The Mall is located on the corner of Havanna and Mississippi Sts. in Aurora, which is a southeast suburb of Denver. This is a very large S scale layout that closely models Colorado's "Joint Line" between Larkspur and Colorado Springs. This will be the "last hurrah" for the layout, as it will be dismantled after the show, so if you would like to see a really nice S scale standard gauge layout in operation, why not take a couple of hours to visit? You can also go to the train show and look for stuff to convert from other scales! (will put that last line in on the S lists and leave it off the D&RGW list). Sincerely Wayne Hills

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6603	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: 1999 Christmas Car

I see the 99 car on EBAY went for $70.00. I was wondering how everyone thought of that price? Thanks in advance for your input...Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6604	From: bgaylord@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Thank You

Dear Michael Prell; Thank You very much for taking the time to respond to my AF rewind post. It is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6605	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar

Dear GPMLG, It is very clear what Lying' L is doing. All you got to do is think about dog racing. When they are growing up, greyhounds are taught to chase rabbits. When they are old enough to race, they are taken to race tracks and entered. The rabbit is ALWAYS beyond the fastest dog. Now substitute the rabbit for American Flyer@ cars and guess who to sub the dog for and you have the marketing thinking of Lyin' L. As long as they keep the 'rabbit' (American Flyer@ euqipment) beyond everyone's reach who want ONLY American Flyer@, (and who will except NO substitute,) they will always have a market and get something in return for their investment in buying the American Flyer@ name and rights. Remember, the current people who own both the Lionel@ and American Flyer@ names and rights are more than likely NOT model railroaders themselves in ANY form. To them it is 'Just a business', I think, that they really do not understand. Jus look at the technology they use in their locomotives (if they do release one). Pure '40's!!!!!! They do not want American Flyer@ to grow, just to hang on.!! I really believe that if a person like Don Thompson was able to afford and get the rights to produce American Flyer@, the Flyer side of S would see products that A. C. Gilbert would have been proud to call his own. I believe Don would have produced enough cars to fill the desire of the American Flyer@ people. I really believe he knows more about the Flyer market then the Flyer people. Enough soap box. GPMLG@... wrote: > From: GPMLG@... > > Well, I just can't understand why would Lionel do that when they are > trying > to sell as must as they can. Or are they? Maybe someone need to > contact them > so I can understand what kind on business they are running. > Maybe someone here can tell me what they are doing. Or give me there > E-mail > and I'll contact them. > Thanks. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6606	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas boxcar

I have been told that the name American Flyer is not owned by any one but the Name American Flyer Lines is the one that is protected. Larry having more fun than one human should be allowed Michael A. Scivoletti wrote: > From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> > > Dear GPMLG, > > It is very clear what Lying' L is doing. All you got to do is > think about dog racing. When they are growing up, greyhounds are taught > to chase rabbits. When they are old enough to race, they are taken to > race tracks and entered. The rabbit is ALWAYS beyond the fastest dog. > Now substitute the rabbit for American Flyer@ cars and guess who to sub > the dog for and you have the marketing thinking of Lyin' L. As long as > they keep the 'rabbit' (American Flyer@ euqipment) beyond everyone's > reach who want ONLY American Flyer@, (and who will except NO > substitute,) they will always have a market and get something in return > for their investment in buying the American Flyer@ name and rights. > Remember, the current people who own both the Lionel@ and > American Flyer@ names and rights are more than likely NOT model > railroaders themselves in ANY form. To them it is 'Just a business', I > think, that they really do not understand. Jus look at the technology > they use in their locomotives (if they do release one). Pure '40's!!!!!! > They do not want American Flyer@ to grow, just to hang on.!! > I really believe that if a person like Don Thompson was able to > afford and get the rights to produce American Flyer@, the Flyer side of > S would see products that A. C. Gilbert would have been proud to call > his own. I believe Don would have produced enough cars to fill the > desire of the American Flyer@ people. I really believe he knows more > about the Flyer market then the Flyer people. Enough soap box. > > GPMLG@... wrote: > > > From: GPMLG@... > > > > Well, I just can't understand why would Lionel do that when they are > > trying > > to sell as must as they can. Or are they? Maybe someone need to > > contact them > > so I can understand what kind on business they are running. > > Maybe someone here can tell me what they are doing. Or give me there > > E-mail > > and I'll contact them. > > Thanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [ONElist Sponsor] > > Please click above to support our sponsor > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6607	From: RKuep44202@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Gargraves track

I am starting my 1st "permanent" AF layout using Gargraves flex track, but am having a devil of a time with their switches. Doug Peck had recommended earlier this year that I wait for a new release, so I did. Then I bought 1 RH and 1 LH to try them out, and more than half my loco roster either jump like they've been pinched, or derail going thru the curved portion. It appears to be the plastic at the points, but I haven't been able to track it down. Anyone have any solution or ideas? Thanks in advance. Dick K.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6608	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: S in the Rock (Island)

Jeffery: For the CRIP modeler we offer a couple of decal sets in S to do the AM FP7 as well as Overland/River Raisin E8's in delivery scheme. We also have a set to do the "wings" set for RS3 and GP7's. The same set can be used for GP9's and 18's. These sets include the requisite stripes for their respective units. If you can do your own stripes the road names are good for lots of other units. At one time a fellow back east offered a set for the bankruptcy blue diesels. I believe the store still has a couple or three sets. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies Jeffrey Tangeman wrote: > From: Jeffrey Tangeman <jt12313@...> > > Greetings all, > > I asked this months ago but I deleted all of replys to my original message > in a fit of house cleaning:). > > What is out there in the S gauge world in Rock Island bankruptcy blue, RTR, > Kits, decals what have you. I have purchased (and painted0 Rock diesels and > rolling stock in HO and O now I desire to add to my S holdings > > Thanks > > Jeff Tangeman > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6609	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas Boxcar

Dear Lawrence, Thanks for informing me about those no good suckers at Lying' L. If you're right then I must apologize to the dealers, sorry guys but I guess I'm upset about not getting my 99 car this year. OK, So who's out there can help me find one without paying 3 times as much??? Contact me off-list. Thanks to all who replied.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6610	From: KtRdd@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/15/2000
Subject: someone got smoked

Hi ------ I have been using E-Bay to sell some HO stuff I acquired. The results have been rewarding to me and I feel Ebay is great. The AF prices are unreal, however, and that discourages this AF operator from buying Flyer stuff there. Naturally, being a seller takes work and it really gives me an appreciation for all those hobby shop people who take on consignment sales. It's amazing how much you learn when you get older--if only I knew these things when I was young!! (yes, I am selling my HO stuff to buy MORE S Stuff--alright!!). JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6611	From: PortLines@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car

In a message dated 1/16/00 5:41:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << > I think it's a shame that a lot of Dealers are holding back on the 99 > Boxcars. > They are selling them on ebay or having someone to sell for them. They claim > the car is part of a rather low production run making it a real collectible > piece of AF / LTI history. > That's B S. Anyway we don't have a chose but to pay high prices for this > one. For you guys that got yours for the 35.00 good for you. > Most dealers don't care about us S Guys anyway. > >> I think this is an unjustified statement. I know that I have NO 99 cars left, and I do not know of a single dealer who has any (and I've inquired around, looking for more)! What I feel happened is that dealers purposely under-ordered the car for two reasons----(a) it was the ONLY AF piece in the catalog; and (b) hesitancy due to the AF backlash after the SD-40 fiasco. At least, I can tell you that was MY mindset at the time I had to place orders. Because there was only a single piece being offered, it did not justify my doing a mailing to my customers to enlist "pre-orders". With the small markup on Lnl-AF, I'd spend nearly all profits on mailings! So..... I just took a conservative guess at how many I should order. And that guess was less than half of the number of Christmas cars I had ordered in previous years. Obviously, I guessed wrong, because I've had MANY calls and requests I cannot fill. I really believe that my experience is the same with many other dealers..... especially those who are not heavily into S, as we are. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6612	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: 99 Flyer Christmas Car

Well, I should count myself as being one of the fortunate ones. After checking with my local dealers who didn't have any left, and couldn't order one, my request for information on the S-list paid off. Thanks to Jeff Madden, I was able to secure the car from Jetco's Hiawatha Hobbies at list price plus shipping. Ordered it, (their last one) on New Year Eve and received it January 3, 2000. Great turn around time!!! Thank you S-list, Jeff, and the folks at Jetco's!!! I'm putting my order in for the 2000 car with my local dealer this month. Happy New Year and Good Luck Hunting!!! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6613	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Kids & Trains

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6614	From: michael prell	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Kids & Trains

With all of the "high-tech" junk that kids are exposed to these days I never quite believed that today's youngsters would even give so much as a second look at our hobby. I have changed my mind. Two weeks ago, my wife invited two small lads over to the house as a favor to their mom who needed an emergency baby sitter. About 45 minutes into the visit it was apparent that the two were getting bored. So I figured, why not and asked if them if they asked trains. "We guess so." "Good! let's go see some!" I then proceeded to introduce them to my BOARD BREAK & ELBOW SMASH Railroad. She hangs suspended 7 inches down from the ceiling in our spare room. The room's 11 by 11 and the layout has a talking station, cow on the track, gate crossing, whistling Billboard and a mail pickup point. Add to that two turn outs to park stuff not in use and a revolving beacon and that's pretty much it. The kids were introduced to the two man hand car and were told that the guys were named Fred and George, which, coincidentally were the names of our young visitors. I sent the hand car around to check the track for obstructions and at this point they met Oz The Cow! (I found out earlier that their small dog's name was Oz, so this sort of fit. Keep in mind that the two boys are nine and eight and sort of short. "How is that little car moving?" I forgot that they couldn't see the track, so lesson one was the track used. Then came the What is Steam lesson. These guys were used to the D type engine which will never touch the track of the BB&ES. (Personal prejudice) Both they and I had a great time. Total lesson lasted about an hour. They got to run my old 302 and the mail car and OZ and the Talking Station, which they thought was "Cool!" The billboard got a good workout as well. Both little guys are due back this afternoon. I wonder if they'll still be interested. Hope so! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6615	From: Boss31@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 498 Gargraves switches

Use American Flyer switches..... SteveBlackburn RMHR...Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6616	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Smoke-Enders

Dale Smith asked: >When I first looked at the auction, I only saw one bidder over $500. How did he get >up that high without another bidder fighting him. Anyone have any guesses as to >how this happened? Dennis Back wrote: >Say someone comes along and says I WANT THIS, and bids >$700! The bid will jump to the $500 as the seller'sreserve has been met. John Craft wrote: >It will happen if the new bid meets the reserve. If at $45 someone were to bid $800, >then it would jump to the reserve of $750. Actually, I don't think that this was the case. I wrote the seller and he never expected this reponse. Here is his answer to my querying him on his reaction to the sale: "Chris this just blew me away. I was very pleased when it was at $91.00. I just hope this is not a fluke, but the second highest bidder had asked me a lot of questions about this item. He is trying to reproduce the formula and has a process that restores the cartridges. Maybe the high bidder is doing the same. As of yet I have gotten no response from the high bidder. I have been on e-bay for about 6 months and have been suprised serveral times. That is the great fun of an auction. Roy" How the price jumped from $91 to over $500 in an hour and a half is a good question. The increments would have been 50 cents. But I don't think Roy had a 500 reserve set, or he would not have been blown away. The only possibility I can think of is that Roy DID set the reserve at a ridiculous level ($536) just so he could refuse the sale if it did not go high enough (someone on this list suggested this trick about a week ago). The high bidder, tentatively probing for the reserve a dollar at a time, got fed up and typed in a ridiculous high number (maybe $1000) just to get the bid to the reserve. Surprise! He found where the reserve was. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6617	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car

Doug, I'm not pointing the finger at you, I said "a lot of dealers," and when I gather all the people who are selling them or Ebay & other auction I will let all of you know who are dealers, plus I will inform Lying' L and the Bureau of Consumer affairs of there action. You must understand that as a consumer we have to protect our interest too. They well be other hot items coming out in the further and it's best to stop it now. My family have been collecting for over 50 years now. And It's my turn to pay-up for the things I want to add. I can't see paying 3 times as much for any item that's only 2 months old. Since Ebay and other auction are on-line people are paying high prices on just about anything they want and the 99 boxcars is one of them. Dealers can't sell new item for over the list price, but they can get around it by having someone else to sell it on Ebay for them or use there personal PC at home. Sorry guys, but if and when I find out who you are I will turn you in. THE POLICE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6618	From: jarcho@xxxxxxxxx.xxxxxxxxxxx)	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: xmas car

GPMLG@..., whoever you are: Sir, I don't care for your tone. I don't care for it at all. It's hard to divine exactly what you are trying to say in your badly garbled post, but I do not appreciate vague threats directed at Doug Peck, who for as long as he has been among us has conducted himself and his business in a totally honorable fashion. You owe him more of an apopogy than that. Are you a law enforcement officer? If you are, your comment is not appropriate. No crime has been committed in this instance, however irritating the situation might be. If you are not, then you have no business signing yourself "THE POLICE' as you did. Impersonating a police ofrficer IS a crime in most places. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6619	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: SHS cars for sale

Hi Fellow "S" ers I have one SHS Wabash # 00147 SS Xm Box car # 76012 and one # 00055 SC Atlantic Coast Line Stock Car #140441 For Sale or trade for Pennsylvania SHS Box cars. $28.00 ea. plus$3.20 shipping both practically new . Box with ACL has small 1" sq. area where tape or sticker was taken off. Box with Wabash car has same type of area only larger. Approx. 2"x2" on side [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6620	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: Xmas car

I do not under stand the statement " Dealers are not allowed to sell over retail." Is this a Lying L rule or a federal Law?????? I have been in retail in the hardware and paint business and the federal Trade laws prevent a manufacture from keeping a dealer from selling at any price he wants to. Please explain this Larry GPMLG@... wrote: > From: GPMLG@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6621	From: john foley	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Tracker Trailers

Hi Folks I was at a train show today and noticed a Rail King [Mike's Train House] trailer on a flatcar. The trailer looked S Scale to me. So I bought one for $25. Well it looks to be a little over 45 ft. long 8ft. wide and 13ft high in S. I saw a couple of great looking paint schemes B&O and NYC Pacemaker. I was told there are more. On the bottem is printed Road Champs and They are make of plastic. I don't recall ever seeing these before, maybe you folks have, Next time your at your hobby shop or train show check them out. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6622	From: GPMLG@xxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Re: 99 box cars

Sir, Can't you read ?? I did not point the finger at Doug, AGAIN, I DID NOT POINT THE FINGER AT DOUG. Maybe you can't see. I am only trying to protect us consumers and that goes for you too. Unless you are a dealer, are you? I'm also saying that not all dealers are price gougers (go to the dictionary for that word) but with all of them out there, you think they all are good guys like Doug? I like Doug too that's why I wanted him to know that no one is pointing at him. Please go back and read it again. And no, I'm not a policeman but I can act as a police to report or to make a citizen arrest. They are others like me who police the Auction sites looking for guys trying to corrupt this hobby of ours. Just a few months ago a few of them was kick off Ebay for being corrupt. Thanks to one of our S-trains members he caught on to them.( that's another story). Yes people, they are laws against PRICE GOUGING. Dealers have one year before they can sell an item above cost. I 'm dropping this subject for now. Please, if you need more information check the laws in your state. Looking out for my S buddies, gpmlg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6623	From: sigma@xxxxxxx.xxxxxxxx.xx.xx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: Arthur Hamilton

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Arthur Hamilton, who writes for S Gaugian on the subject of prototypes for Flyer freight cars? I am appealing to S Trains subscribers because the response I got at S Gaiugian was "I don't understand your question." Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6624	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: South Fl Trains show

Anybody going to the Greenberg show in Fort Lauderdale? Jan 29/30 Omni Broward CC. PS Any mail sent to yorke@... over the last few days has not been delivered. Please use my paulyorke@... account. Paul Yorke Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6625	From: mmeise@xxxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: circus sign

I have a whistling circus sign that does not work as it should. Turned over on its top nothing happens except the lights go on. When I turn it on its "feet" the motor moves but barely fast enough to make a very low pitched whistle. It looks like the brushes are ok but how can I be sure and what else might I do to get it to work? ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6626	From: aztecfan@xxxxx.xxx	Date: 1/16/2000
Subject: SPACERS

I PICKED UP SILVER SPACERS STYLE 5137/3. LOOK FOR WESTRIM AT YOUR CRAFT STORE. THEY MAY FIX THOSE FRANKLIN VALVE GEAR PROBLEMS. THEY FIT INSIDE THE ACE TRUCK TOP RING IF THAT IS THE SIZE YOU NEED. JIM SLEETH

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6627	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: 99 box cars

Boy, I thought I could get on peoples cases!!!!!!!! There is no law saying how much you can charge. I know of some things that work on very small mark ups and other things that work on 500% mark up. When a model railroad manufacture releases an item say a list price of $100. and the dealer buys it for $60 he can sell it for any price he can get for it. $120 if he wishes. I think you are to far left an that is what has been ruining our great country since 1932!!!!!!!!!! Larry GPMLG@... wrote: > From: GPMLG@... > > Sir, > Can't you read ?? > I did not point the finger at Doug, AGAIN, I DID NOT POINT THE FINGER AT > DOUG. Maybe you can't see. > I am only trying to protect us consumers and that goes for you too. Unless > you are a dealer, are you? I'm also saying that not all dealers are price > gougers (go to the dictionary for that word) but with all of them out there, > you think they all are good guys like Doug? I like Doug too that's why I > wanted him to know that no one is pointing at him. > Please go back and read it again. > And no, I'm not a policeman but I can act as a police to report or to make a > citizen arrest. > They are others like me who police the Auction sites looking for guys trying > to corrupt this hobby of ours. Just a few months ago a few of them was kick > off Ebay for being corrupt. Thanks to one of our S-trains members he caught > on to them.( that's another story). > > Yes people, they are laws against PRICE GOUGING. > Dealers have one year before they can sell an item above cost. > I 'm dropping this subject for now. > Please, if you need more information check the laws in your state. > > Looking out for my S buddies, > gpmlg > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6628	From: Mark Preman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Greenberg Train Show in Pompano Florida

In answer to Paul Yorke's question: AmericanFlyerTrains.com will have three tables of vintage Gilbert "Flyer" plus some odds and ends of Lionel "Flyer". Also, Gary Clark from up north will be bringing several tables of absolutely mint Gilbert trains. Hope to see you there! Mark B. Preman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6629	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: circus sign

The armature shaft may need to be oiled. If you turn the whistle over, in the center of the two brushes there should be a felt pad, oil this. Turn the billboard upright, and behind the billboard on top of the motor housing you will see two holes. Through the hole on the left you can then oil the other end of the armature shaft. A train buddy of mine had a billboard that just groaned, with a few drops of oil it worked like new. Good luck, Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6630	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499

Message text written by INTERNET:S-Trains@onelist.com > From: mmeise@... Subject: circus sign I have a whistling circus sign that does not work as it should. Turned over on its top nothing happens except the lights go on. When I turn it on its "feet" the motor moves but barely fast enough to make a very low pitched whistle. It looks like the brushes are ok but how can I be sure and what else might I do to get it to work? < clean the three commutator slots and lightly oil the bearings. charles day

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6631	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499

Message text written by INTERNET:S-Trains@onelist.com >Yes people, they are laws against PRICE GOUGING. Dealers have one year before they can sell an item above cost. I 'm dropping this subject for now. Please, if you need more information check the laws in your state. < Waht's this, another commune home rule? You'd better visit your public library and read a few books on economics-but skip karl Marx. you inhereantly seem to have him memorized alreadys. iamtooashamedtoellyoumynametoo.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6632	From: Charles L. Day	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Digest Number 499

Message text written by INTERNET:S-Trains@onelist.com >Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:53:20 EST From: GPMLG@... Subject: Re: Xmas car Doug, I'm not pointing the finger at you, I said "a lot of dealers," and when I gather all the people who are selling them or Ebay & other auction I will let all of you know who are dealers, plus I will inform Lying' L and the Bureau of Consumer affairs of there action. You must understand that as a consumer we have to protect our interest too. They well be other hot items coming out in the further and it's best to stop it now. My family have been collecting for over 50 years now. And It's my turn to pay-up for the things I want to add. I can't see paying 3 times as much for any item that's only 2 months old. Since Ebay and other auction are on-line people are paying high prices on just about anything they want and the 99 boxcars is one of them. Dealers can't sell new item for over the list price, but they can get around it by having someone else to sell it on Ebay for them or use there personal PC at home. Sorry guys, but if and when I find out who you are I will turn you in. THE POLICE < Geeez, where'd this message come from, Russia? I thought this was a free country where price fixing and all that bad stuff was illegal. I am not a retailer, but it has always amazed me how consumers who know nothing about economics and a lot less about captialism know exactly when an item is overpriced or mentally out of reach of the average commune member. charles day

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6633	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: TTOS crane

For those interested... TTOS put a small picture of the Flyonel crane and gon on the envelope of "The Bulletin." $109.95 incl shipping, deadline to order is March 31. Gregg Mummert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6634	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: Kids & Trains

I'm interested in how you accomplished this: size, shape, construction, etc. Any pictures, drawings, web site etc. ---- original message ----- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: michael prell <mlprell@...> Subject: Kids & Trains <<<snip>>> I then proceeded to introduce them to my BOARD BREAK & ELBOW SMASH Railroad. She hangs suspended 7 inches down from the ceiling in our spare room. The room's 11 by 11 and the layout has a talking station, cow on the track, gate crossing, whistling Billboard and a mail pickup point. Add to that two turn outs to park stuff not in use and a revolving beacon and that's pretty much it. <<<snip>>> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6635	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: S-list and politics

Well, it seems we have a couple guys (L. Jackman, C. Day) on this list who are politically somewhere to the right of Attilla the Hun and claim to be in the middle as such types usually do Hey, it's a dirty job but somebody's got to do it. I personally don't care. I'm on this list to talk trains, not politics, and to do so with peope I might not ordinarily meet, such as extremists. The point is, there are few students or teeny boppers on this list. We're all grown men and our opinions are set. Not a whole lot of use in trying to find converts to a cause here, whatever the cause might be. On the other hand, politics-based bitterness can really mess up what we're trying to do here, which is communicate about trains. So could we keep those little political digs and cracks to a minimum. guys? Tom Jarcho .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6636	From: bob walsh	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: (unknown)

Hi, I picked up a couple of those Industrial Rail caboose's (cabeese?). What is the best way to convert them to AF? If someone has already found a way to do it without damaging the cars I would like to try their method. Good looking caboose's, is the manufacturers other rolling stock built to the same scale? Oh, on that thread about it being illegal to sell items for higher than suggested retail, that's a new one on me. I have had my own business for over 15 years here in CA and have never come across that law. Maybe it is different in other states. Thanks. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com?sr=mc.mk.mcm.tag001

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6637	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics

In a message dated 1/17/00 1:29:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, jarcho@... writes: << Well, it seems we have a couple guys (L. Jackman, C. Day) on this list who are politically somewhere to the right of Attilla the Hun and claim to be in the middle as such types usually do >> Get the record straight people on the right support a free market. If you want to talk to people that want to control everything, look to the current administration that is in favor of eliminating the bill of rights "for the children". John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6638	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: cabeese

'cabeese' is absolutely the only proper plural of caboose regard'S' Clay who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men??? Clay Buckage Director of Purchasing Stokes Electric Supply 3401 Northwood Avenue Easton, Pa. 18045 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6639	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)

This may sound a little off-line, but it really is not. Remember back in 1985 when Dodge and Plymouth were coming with the new minivans? The demand was so great that many dealers were taking each vehicle for a short drive so they could call it used, then jacking up their prices to as much as $1,000 over sticker. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6640	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Gargraves track

"I am starting my 1st "permanent" AF layout using Gargraves flex track, but am having a devil of a time with their switches......" Hi Dick, I'm on the second year of my first "permanent" AF layout since their original set up when I was a kid in the fifties. This time I am using gargraves track as well. I had heard only "bad comments" on the swithes. (But I was not a member of S-Trains at the time). After talking with other S people at train swap meets I decided to keep the AF Swithes. They match well with the gargraves track. You can still pick up these switches at swap meets at a reasonable price. My experience is that the controller is usually not included, but a DPDT momentary switch will do the job. I now run my three main line layout with no problems of derail (if I remember to throw the correct switch) through the switches. The gargraves track is great in my opinion. I realize I give up some realism with the bulky looking oversized housing of AF Swithches but ....... I love running them. I'm now working on the scenery, perhaps I can make the switch look better. Good Luck, Wayne PS I use one half O scale and one half HO scale cork road bed--works fine for S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6641	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics

I have never claimed to be middle of the road but no more on this one. Has SHS got the SW1 out yet????? Larry having more fun than one human be allowed.))))))))) Jarcho wrote: > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Well, it seems we have a couple guys (L. Jackman, C. Day) on this list who > are politically somewhere to the right of Attilla the Hun and claim to be > in the middle as such types usually do Hey, it's a dirty job but > somebody's got to do it. I personally don't care. I'm on this list to > talk trains, not politics, and to do so with peope I might not ordinarily > meet, such as extremists. > > The point is, there are few students or teeny boppers on this list. We're > all grown men and our opinions are set. Not a whole lot of use in trying > to find converts to a cause here, whatever the cause might be. On the > other hand, politics-based bitterness can really mess up what we're trying > to do here, which is communicate about trains. > > So could we keep those little political digs and cracks to a minimum. guys? > > Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6642	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: cabeese

The Shadow knows Larry Lamont Cranston wrote: > From: "Lamont Cranston" <cbuckage@...> > > 'cabeese' is absolutely the only proper plural of caboose > > regard'S' > > Clay > > who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men??? > > Clay Buckage > Director of Purchasing > Stokes Electric Supply > 3401 Northwood Avenue > Easton, Pa. 18045 > cbuckage@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6643	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: servicing light fixture Loco #21168

Hi there Guys & Gals: Boy I really did it! I was changing the light Bulb in my 21168 loco you know the one which snaps into place with the copper bent plate on the bottom of the light fixture [it snaps onto the forward butt plate inside the boiler front] well it seemed to not want to remain in place so I thought a slight in-bend on the copper plate would give it a tighter fit? well it broke!! the copper plate on one side [extremely brittle] so now I have a one sided light fixture? and it just bounces and flickes off /on Etc. Any thoughts on how to repair this fixture without a total Breakdown and tearapart of the Engine? It seems that the copper plate has to be touching the butt plate to ground the bottom of the fixture as well as the Bulb has the clear space at the bulb centre so it is clear? If I have to solder a wire-------->:) Where and to what? I can always use the sticky soft to hold the fixture in place But I still dont have a light? Any help would be Greatly appreciated Thanks jde <John> P.S Thanks to all the Members who answered my request for PikMaster I am all set now I won't be needing any more now. Thanks again. jde

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6644	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)

In 1976 Subaru dealer in River Edge NJ was adding a $1000 to the MSRP and was not even driving them to make them used. A used car does not have to be driven to make it used. All you have to do is register it and put a plate on it. Then you have a title and it is used Larry ironhors@... wrote: > From: ironhors@... > > This may sound a little off-line, but it really is not. Remember back in 1985 > when Dodge and Plymouth were coming with the new minivans? The demand was so > great that many dealers were taking each vehicle for a short drive so they could > call it used, then jacking up their prices to as much as $1,000 over sticker. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6645	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Re: (unknown)

Hello, I have sucessfully converted one of the Industrail Rail cabooses. First the body is attached to the floor in the same manner as Athern's HO cabosses. Turn the car over and you will see in front of the trucks a slot in the floor with a plastic body piece forced through. I snapped off the body pieces where they come through the floor. Next where the ladders join the roof ends they are held in place by moulded on pins on the ladders. On my model one of the pins had been broken off and guled on at the factory, no problem. Now you should be able to remove the body shell. The trucks are attached to the floors by bolts/machine screw from inside the car. Once the trucks were removed, I drilled out the mounting holes with a 1/4" drill and then forced fitted short lenghts of 1/4" wood dowel into the holes. Trim the dowel flush with the truck bolster. I then attached SHS trucks and SHS long caboose couplers with wood screws. Replace the body shell and you are ready to roll. I did not put a light in my model but it would be easy to do. My body shell is held on by placing a drop of plastic glue at the four corners on the bottom. None of the other cars in the Industrial Rail line are suitable for conversion( what will probably follow next is a slew of e-mail about converting some of the other cars). Good luck, Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6646	From: Richard	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: prices!!

Guys Im not familiar with laws in the US respect to announcing prices...but here in OZ we have a similar thing called RRP...recommended retail price!!...In law ( and indeed common sense) there is no obligation for anyone to observe it......it is a guide for buying/selling only....yes it often stamped or printed on the box etc...but it is not binding...if someone wants to sell at a premium because of demand..then so be it. Remember there is never anyone with a gun to your head forcing you to buy. They are value judgments made by the individual. A seller adds to the sticker at his own risk........they will get a name, a reputation etc Normal commercial enterprise competition rules apply!! (are there any??) Dont see what all the fuss is personally :-)))))))) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6647	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: Switches

Hi members, I thought I was all thumbs on the subject of Gargraves switch use. I bought 2 pair of phantom switches in 1975!! They were ackward for me. One of them placed near the edge of the board sent my AF UP 4-8-4 plunging to the concrete floor--I had to get it repaired (stupid me then) I never was able to work the switch machines right. I recently (1998) bought a pair again thinking they are improved. I have placed one in my layout and am still trying to figure out how to hook a working motor and throw mechanism to this switch. Right now I have a swing return spring to maintain one position on it. I need it's turnout radius to operate a side line so I keep it going. The equipment seems to like it so far, but I also worked on it to get it where it is. I found that many AF switches also have flaws which are not always obvious unless you get your eyeball in position right down on the right-of-way, so to speak-and view the angles. I wrote a story on that and I hope Classic Toy Trains publishes that story this year?-they bought it I want to think I helped someone on these? I also found that stainless 3' sections of Gargraves track I bought in the '70s was misgauged-it is wider by 1/16". I still have that track and the switches. The track I use for display only. I discovered the problem by watching my steamers on it. They looked like a drunk walking a boat pier---i.e. they were all over that track! I don't know what I'm going to do with the Gargrave switches--I now have 5 to use. Now that I reworked the Flyer stuff, I enjoy the original AF stuff. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6648	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/17/2000
Subject: interesting site

I found a site that will interest some s-listers. It's about the New Haven RR and the great hurricane of 1938. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/3453/hurricane.htm The New Haven ran past the Gilbert factory and was the railroad most often copied or modelled by Gilbert. The hurricane of 1938 was the greatest storm ever to hit New England. it is still talked about to this day in New England the way the �ivil War is in the South. In each costal neighborhood, the older residents can show you how high the water came up. There was a 20 ft + storm surge in 20 minutes, for example. This site reproduces a booklet the railroad gave each of its employees after they had gotten the railroad back into shape. It shows scenes of incredible devastation. For example, the roof of the Mystic CT station, after which the talking station was modelled, is shown sitting on the tracks. Looks just like the talking station's roof, too. This is p. 10. A huge lighthouse tending ship is shown sitting across the tracks at New London, CT. And so forth. Armies of railroad workers are shown lifting rails into place and otherwise repairing the awesome damage. We can look forward to scenes like like this in the near future if what the experts tell us about global warming is true. But this time, the railroad won't have an army of employees ready to set forth and right all wrongs the way they did in 1938. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6649	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 99 Lyin'L Christmas Car

You really wonder what is going on. My Lionel dealer received all of her shipment of 1999 Lionel item, but the one box containing ALL of the AF 1999 Christmas cars was "lost in shipment." She is a very reputable dealer, and I know she is not sandbagging on these cars. So, are there strange things going on out there? BTW, although I did not get a car, I really do not mind. I will spend this money on American Models, Crown Models, or S-Helper Service stuff and come out with a better product for a fairer price. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6650	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: WHAT HAPPENED

There I am reading S Trains 500 and enjoying the S News when out of 22 messages it ends at number 9. I know at 25 it rolls over to an additional list but dropping 13 messages is a new twist. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6651	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: s-trax

Can anyone offer suggestions on using S Helper's S-Trax to replace existing AF track where various sections of the AF track had to be cut to fit? Thanks in Advance John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6652	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: IR Cabeese

--- TPDavis7@... wrote: > I then attached SHS trucks and SHS long caboose couplers with wood screws. If you want to light the caboose, use the SHS caboose trucks which are wired for that purpose. Also, there are two other Industrial Rail cars that look like they are S sized; the ore car and a log car. I almost bought them, but didn't want to take a chance on it not being as easy as the caboose. Anybody on the list tried doing these cars? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6653	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: IR Cabeese

At 06:41 AM 01/18/2000 -0800, Scott Holm wrote: >From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > >--- TPDavis7@... wrote: > > I then attached SHS trucks and SHS long caboose couplers with wood >screws. > >If you want to light the caboose, use the SHS caboose trucks which are >wired for that purpose. Also, there are two other Industrial Rail cars >that look like they are S sized; the ore car and a log car. I almost >bought them, but didn't want to take a chance on it not being as easy >as the caboose. Anybody on the list tried doing these cars? I picked up one of the Skeleton Log cars over the holidays when I ran across them at a dealer. I thought it looked reasonable as well. But I have not had a chance to look at conversion yet. Hopefully will in time to run at the big show in Springfield, MA in three weeks. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6654	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Gargraves

JohnR wrote: >I also found that stainless 3' sections of Gargraves track I bought in the >'70s was misgauged-it is wider by 1/16". John: For years I thought this was just a one time fluke! I had the same experience. The first time I saw Gargraves track in a hobby shop, I tried to join it to Flyer track but it could not be mated. I gave up on it and avoided Gargraves for years. Then, at a Greenberg show, while attempting to show someone why Gar track and Flyer were not compatible, I plugged them together perfectly! I looked like an idiot. No one knew what I was talking about. Thanks for clearing that up. At least it wasn't me! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6655	From: Bill Porter	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: eBay::Smoke-Enders

Here are two thoughts - perhaps worth a penny each. The purpose of a reserve (I hate the things) is to generate interest with a low minimum. Then, to sell only for what the seller desires to receive. It is common practice in lots of auctions of all types. Many auctions don't tell you that there is a reserve price until the bidding is done and the reserve has not been met. I saw a case a few years ago at a Disneyana auction where the bidding for an original painting went to $20,000 and then the auctioneer said: "Nope, not high enough. We'll put that item aside." At least eBay lets us know that there is a reserve price. Most sellers will list the reserve in the description or will respond to an email request for it. Some won't. The second thought is that some people use eBay as an inexpensive appraisal service. They set a reserve so high that no one will ever get there just to see how high the bidding will go. The number they get can be used for insurance purposes or to support an offline sale. This usage seems illegitimate to me. eBay must think so too since they changed the policy last year to base the listing fee on the reserve price if it is higher than the minimum bid. That reduced the number of reserve auctions (a bit). Later, Bill Porter >The only possibility I can think of is that Roy DID set the reserve at a >ridiculous level ($536) just so he could refuse the sale if it did not go >high enough (someone on this list suggested this trick about a week ago). >The high bidder, tentatively probing for the reserve a dollar at a time, got >fed up and typed in a ridiculous high number (maybe $1000) just to get the >bid to the reserve. Surprise! He found where the reserve was. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6656	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: bickering

I am really suprised.I always thought the major reason for War was religion and politics. I now find out that E-Bay is a cause as well. I enjoy the info. I get from every one on repair and upkeep of my Flyer Collection but the bickering can bcome distracting at times. Everyone knows E-bay has ridiculous prices so let the buyer beware.Just remember TANSTAAFL (there ain't no such thing as a free lunch!) have a good one! Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6657	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: I'll be gone for a bit.

Hi all. Not at train post, but it's easier to catch most of my train friends here. Linda's mom is dying, so we're spending most of our time in Grass Valley waiting and taking care of her Dad. No High-tech stuff there, so I won't be around for a bit. I'll let you know when I get back. Take care, David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6658	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: 99 Xmas car & bickering

Wayne, Thanks for you're input and support, but can't they bicker like little kids? That's why I stop replying. I just wanted to report what was going on. And I was right! One of the Dealers in Texas who sold on ebay got $125.00 for his. I may release his name to the bickers, maybe they can bitch at him. For me I'm leaving it alone. In the mean time I've got quite a few E- mails from some great S guys who was able to help me locate a 99 car at cost. (Thanks Mark) The 99 Xmas cars are in short demand and we may see it reach close to $200.00 by the end of the year. For the collectors who's been collecting the Xmas cars since 1990. they will want this car to complete the 90's set. Some of the dealers know that and will take advantage if them. Again, SOME OF THE DEALERS (OK) Then again, I may be the only one left who wants one. I would like to give thanks to my supporters and to the others for there input. That's what the list is here for, but let's stop the bickering. Place your order for the 2000 now and keep your fingers cross. gpmlg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6659	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Club Car Deadline

It suddenly occurred to me today that it is less than two weeks until the deadline for ordering the year 2000 Virginia Train Collectors S Gauge Club Car. The car is a custom made Downs Model RR Richfood Milk Tank Car. If you wish to see a graphic go to my home page at www.homestead.com/wayestrains/index.html and click on the Club Car button. You can print that page as it is also an order form. If you can't access the page call me at 804-379-9745 to request an order form. Make checks out to Virginia Train Collectors, not to me. Hurry, operators (or the phone mail) are waiting. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6660	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Digest Subscribers - re:#500

Sorry if you got a shortened version of S-trains Digest #500. If you have web access and want to see what you missed .. Log onto http://www.onelist.com/messages/S-Trains The s-trains archives. or send me a note and I will send you the portion you missed. Paul Yorke Paul Yorke Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6661	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 497 - toxic vs non-toxic smoke fluid.

If you are looking for non-toxic smoke fluid in bulk, check this link. http://www.rosco-ca.com/technotes/msds/fogfluid.pdf This is the material data safety sheet for Rosco Laboratories Fog Fluid, the material the is used to generate smoke in movies and stage productions. It comes in liter and gallon bottles and is available at most theatrical supply houses. It has been quite a while since I've checked the price on this stuff, but it does cost considerably more than lamp oil. On the other hand, a gallon of this is the same as 128 of those little 1 ounce bottles of smoke fluid sold specifically for toy trains. I suspect that at least one of the suppliers of train smoke fluid buys this stuff and rebottles it. This link: http://www.rosco-ca.com/products/fog/fluids.html will take you to the description of the fluid. It is available in some interesting scents, but ufortunately cedar is not a standard. Vic Bereskin > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:08:56 -0500 > From: David_Horn@... > Subject: toxic vs. non-toxic smoke > > I just bought a bottle of odor-free, smokeless lamp oil to try it instead of > continuing to consume increasingly expensive small-bottle smoke fluid (e.g. > Live Steam). However, I noticed that the lamp oil bottle cautions strongly > that the oil is extremely dangerous and possibly fatal if ingested, > especially for children. Small-bottle smoke fluids are typically marked > non-toxic. Why the difference? > > While I like the idea of spending ~$4 for what should turn out to be a few > years worth of fluid, I don't relish the fact that it's toxic and more > dangerous. I lock up all cleaners and chemicals, but do have the smoke > fluid out for use when playing trains with the kids and their friends. > > PS If you're tuckered out about reading smoke notes, just skip them by > subject.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6662	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: s-trax

Dear John, One of our customers called several months ago and let me in on a secret. You can cut the S-Trax roadbed and use ABS glue to put it back together. He first slid out the rails, then the ties strip falls out. He cut a section our of the center of the roadbed being sure that the two remaining ends, when pushed together, leave an opening that is either the exact size or a little larger than the width of a tie. He now used the ABS glue (Plastistrut works well) to join the cut ends. The tie strip is cut to the correct number of ties needed and once the adhesive has dried, inserted into the roadbed. The notices are filed off of the bottom of the rail, and the rail is slid through the rail grabbers and spikes into position. You now have a new length of track. Don T. John Stephenson wrote: > From: johnb@... (John Stephenson) > > Can anyone offer suggestions on using S Helper's S-Trax to replace > existing AF track where various sections of the AF track had to be cut > to fit? > > Thanks in Advance > John > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6663	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Whistling Billboards

This won't make your whistle motor run slow, but it certainly affects the sound quality. Many that I've owned or repaired had dry rotted rubber grommets where the screws attach the mechanism to the billboard frame. Take the time to replace these. Electronics stores carry them. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6664	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Club Car Deadline Correction

I can't even spell my own name. Thanks to Alex Binkley I found out I made a typo in the URL. It should be www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html then click on the club car button. The real Y2K bug was just a typo. Thanks Alex. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6665	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 1999 1/64th Winn Dixie Truck

I recently saw an ebay auction where some guy was auctioning two of the "hard to find" 1999 Winn Dixie tractor-trailers. His starting price was about $40 for the good version and about $20 for the cheap version. I checked my local Winn Dixie and sure enough they did not seem to have the trucks. Today, however, I was driving in a different part of town and passed a Winn Dixie I am not usually near. I stopped in and WOW!!! They had a shelf full of last year's AHL trucks at $9.98 (these are actually the ones I like best), a shelf full of this year's cheap version truck for $7.98 and at least one of this year's good version truck from Hartoy, but in the PEM series, for $19.98. I did not dig through the shelf to see if they had more of the good version but did buy the one on front. You may want to try several Winn Dixies if you do not find the truck in the first one you stop at. I guess all stores did not carry the trucks. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6666	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Re: S-list and politics

I am going to have to get one. Prefer undec. do you have them???? Larry prst@... wrote: > Dear Larry, > SW-1s were finished last week and waiting for the next run of > straight track (we ran out right before Christmas, Yikes!) the > container will be packed Friday and leave on Tuesday next week > (with the tide I guess). I am very happy with them. So, we > should be getting them late Feb. > Don T. > --- Original Message --- > lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> Wrote on > Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:26:15 -0800 > ------------------ > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > > I have never claimed to be middle of the road but no more on > this one. > Has SHS got the SW1 out yet????? > Larry having more fun than one human be allowed.))))))))) > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6667	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track

Response to Chris Zizzo: Hi-----More to the story. Not to be critical of Gargraves/just a critique here. I still have some of their track in my layout and I love it's flexibility. I read somewhere that it needs to be supported underneath to be level with flyer track--I'm using that vinyl floor stuff/scraps and I find that mechanic's tool box liners work nicely as well. That's that spongy stuff that comes in rolls. There is different quality on that stuff. It also subs on my layout for roadbed- it's very quiet-ing! I tried explaining to a sales vendor at a GATS show about my Gargraves experience. He must of thought I was goofy--so I thought I was dreaming. ...Anyway, why can't Gargraves make the S switch like the Ho folk?? I figure there must be some sort of copyright infringement?? It seems ackward to me that their switch throw rail piece---which is long--can remain firm in postion and not jiggle from side forces of rolling stock. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6668	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/18/2000
Subject: 370 coupler bar

What's the deal with the coupler bar on a GM 370 GP-7? I can't get it to pull a single car around a single turn without the car's link coupler from riding up and unhitching itself. I've tried several cars, each end of the engine, I've tried bending the bar up and down, and changing it's shape, and the amount it sticks out. I've tried adjusting the car couplers and nothing appears to work. Has anybody seen this problem and managed to fix it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6669	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 497 - toxic vs non-toxic smoke fluid.

RE: smoke fluids I have had good luck with LGB smoke fluid in Flyer steamers. It has a relatively low vaporization temperature which yields two advantages: (1) effective smoking, even with aging smoke units that are usually troublesome, and (2) minimal effects on the matte finishes of higher grade 'collector' pieces. You will need to refill more often and there is no fragrance, but the smoking effect is usually excellent. One can mix in a little of the cedar-scented Super Smoke if one desires olfactory tradition. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6670	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar

I've seen it and as of yet haven't tried to fix it. I thought that undercutting the slot in the link coupler might help. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6671	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Rosco fog fluid

Vic, thanks for the links and info. Have you ever used Fog Fluid with your AF toy trains? Did you like the results? Thanks. I might have to give it a try. PS I did try odorfree, smokefree lamp oil from Ultra Pure (22 oz bottle at Michael's for $3.44) and it smokes real well. However, my wife complained that it generated an objectionable odor more so than anything else I've ever run them with. Hmmmm.... maybe that's because I tried it in about 4 different engines all within a short amount of time, or that I ran up to 3 of them at a time, but then again, it was kinda smelly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6672	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar

--- Roger Delthony <rpd3@...> wrote: > I've seen it and as of yet haven't tried to fix it. I thought that > undercutting the slot in the link coupler might help. It's nice to know I'm not the only one. It would be a shame to modify the car couplers to get around it. I'm wondering about perhaps changing the bar to a flat piece that's angled back towards the engine, thus making a sharper edge for the link to hold on to and to make it so that the coupler would have to move forward and up to unhook. Or, maybe tie or fasten the coupler to the bar. perhaps a little formed piece of wire that the link coupler would go under and through that would slide back and forth on the bar, but wouldn't allow the link coupler to lift up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6673	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Bar

I modify link couplers by raking the face of the link so it's angled and requires a loss of tension to release over the bar. In simpler terms I make the coupling face a bit hook shaped where it goes against the pin. I also set the link pivot height by adjusting (bending) the truck mount so the link is never aimed uphill after coupling. I make sure the rod is level across the track. I do not change the rod at all. These mods require cars to move apart to relieve the force and uncouple. With these mods I have eliminated virtually all inadvertant uncoupling with links. Scott Holm wrote: > > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > > --- Roger Delthony <rpd3@...> wrote: > > I've seen it and as of yet haven't tried to fix it. I thought that > > undercutting the slot in the link coupler might help. > > It's nice to know I'm not the only one. It would be a shame to modify > the car couplers to get around it. I'm wondering about perhaps changing > the bar to a flat piece that's angled back towards the engine, thus > making a sharper edge for the link to hold on to and to make it so that > the coupler would have to move forward and up to unhook. Or, maybe tie > or fasten the coupler to the bar. perhaps a little formed piece of wire > that the link coupler would go under and through that would slide back > and forth on the bar, but wouldn't allow the link coupler to lift up. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6674	From: A50flyer@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: AF parts needed

HI S pals, I need a few AF parts ; A Volt guage w/ bezel for a 19B transformer------ A Top bar w/screws for a circus billboard ------ a 353 circus tender -------a 984 NH orig. door. thanks for you're help, . Marty Wik a50flyer@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6675	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: coupler bar

I never gave this coupler bar problem much thought before. Just classified it with the other Flyer factory mistakes, of which there were quite a few (more on this below). I think what I would do if I wanted to operate the 370 in its original condition is modify one coupler on one car to be hooked to the bar. I would attach a piece of stiff piano wire to the bottom of the coupler in such a way that it would not let the coupler lift off the bar unless considerable (manual) force were applied. it wouldn't be very visible, esp. if blackened or painted black. There are quite a few Flyer items that never worked properly. My list includes the Animated Station, which I refer to as the American Flyer Roach Motel ("They check in but they don't check out"). Also the 6 wheel KC trucks for the heavyweight cars did not fit. Some sets were frantically modified at the factory by cutting half of each step off diagonally with a saw. At least three modifications were made to the sideframe mold before the problem was eliminated. The Piggyback Unloader was a joke. Then there were all the problems at the beginning of S production -- the large truck Pullmans that wouldn't go thru a switch, the scale flanges that wouldn't stay on the track, the unweighted plastic link couplers, the warped acetate plastic stock cars and other items, and the shrinking drive wheel whitewalls. The Diesel Roar units (the American Flyer Wife Repellent) were so loud that they had to insert an on-off switch in the B units. No doubt there are others that I can't recall. Anyone care to add to the list? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6676	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: coupler bar

In a message dated 1/19/00 4:07:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, jarcho@... writes: << There are quite a few Flyer items that never worked properly. My list includes the Animated Station, which I refer to as the American Flyer Roach Motel ("They check in but they don't check out"). >> Agree with most of your engineering 'goofs', but my Guilford station and operating car work just fine. My experience with Animated Stations has been generally more satisfactory than with the stock yards -- no incline is involved. From your comment, it looks like adjusting the exit gate so that it remains open when required is important. RB RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6677	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: Missing items

In a message dated 1/19/00 4:35:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << There I am reading S Trains 500 and enjoying the S News when out of 22 messages it ends at number 9. I know at 25 it rolls over to an additional list but dropping 13 messages is a new twist. >> Me too !!! I thought it was just me, since I'm having computer problems again (and with a NEW PC, less than a month old!!!!!)..... but obviously it wasn'T just me! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6678	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: GP7 bar

In a message dated 1/19/00 4:35:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << What's the deal with the coupler bar on a GM 370 GP-7? I can't get it to pull a single car around a single turn without the car's link coupler from riding up and unhitching itself. I've tried several cars, each end of the engine, I've tried bending the bar up and down, and changing it's shape, and the amount it sticks out. I've tried adjusting the car couplers and nothing appears to work. Has anybody seen this problem and managed to fix it? >> This doesn't directly answer your question....but your question jogged this memory. I have (or have seen) a FEW GP7s with LC bars that were semi-circular instead of squared-off like we normally see. I never knew why, but I bet this is the reason! And I've seen it on more than one engine, so I don't think it was a home-made item...... either limited factory, or some other aftermarket item made available at the time. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlines.html portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6679	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: animated station

My experience with the animated station is that people go down the underpass and don't come up. They also fall down a lot. Perhaps they should have had a bar and grill as part of the station to explain that. With a lot of adjustment to the vibrator and the gate, plus bending and reshaping the low bumper bars, it is possible sometimes to get some of them to work for a while, but they usually go out of adjustment again. If you turn up the vibrator far enough to drive the people up out of the underpass, they will fall down on the flat parts. I bought one new at Polk's Hobbies in NYC in the '50's or 60's and it did not work, so I returned it. The people would not come up out of the underpass. Plus, it's hard to come up with a rationalization for a station that buzzes like a hornet's nest. The Lionel accessories powered by vibrator motors such as the culvert loader and unloader also buzz at an intolerable level, at least to me. I like loud music and quiet accessories. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6680	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: stockyard

RB, I got my stockyard to work quite well on my x-mas layout this year by replacing the fabric with that shur-line stuff. My cows had been kept in a sealed metal cough drop box since childhood and there was no visible damage to the original fabric, but it didn't work any more. I did have an idea about how to make it work a lot better. If you cut or ground off the sides of the ties of the track in front of the stockyard and put a pad under the stockyard of an equivalent height (approx. 1/4 in.), the incline of the ramp would be much less and the ramp would also extend just a little further into the car. You would have to remove the original bar for the action car shoe and substitute a lower one, perhaps a piece of rail. You might also possibly have to grind down lower the little tabs that hold the ties and the action car shoe bar. I'm not sure about that. The pad under the stockyard could be sheet rubber if you could find it or even foam. This would reduce the noise. I have also taken to holding back the ramp with a small yellow rubber band so it doesn't snag passing rolling stock when not in use. it doesn't look too bad. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6681	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: stockyard

--- Jarcho <jarcho@...> wrote: > RB, I got my stockyard to work quite well on my x-mas layout this > year by > replacing the fabric with that shur-line stuff Doe anybody know where one can buy Shure-line paint pads? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6682	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: AF bloopers or ?

Tom J. writes about AF bloopers: HELP??? What about those AF RC switch controllers? I have seen many that have contorted/warped openings around the bulb openings. Obviously a poor plan situation for hot bulbs. Has anyone found a supplier of colored bulbs that fit well in those openings and do not contact the adjacent plastic enough to damage it? Usually you see these with bulbs inserted that have no clearance in the lamp well. Luckily, you can reverse the lever just to disconnect the bulb from lighting. A bulb the size of the 18V for the switch itself would work--but try finding green or red! The same goes for AF transformers with those plastic jewel indicators. Some of those end up replaced by bayonet colored bulbs. Any ideas?? ( I bought a couple jewel covers and drilled tiny holes at the top to release the heat--seems to work, but not the solution; the bulb inside is just simply to large- These are glitches of poor design in my opinion. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6683	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: switch controllers/stockyard

Stockyard: Ron Leventon sells sheets of the shurline fabric. Possibly Doug Peck does too. Switch controllers: It's easy to make colored light bulbs: just paint clear ones with flat red or green paint. Experiment a little to get it right. I always leave those bulbs partly unscrewed so they don't light up, ever since my son got a really nasty burn through several layers of skin from one. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6684	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Lionel vs American flyer re powr connecting assesorys

Hi guys /gals; here's a mystery for you When I was an active Lionel player, I could connect all my accessorys to a third Power Rail and as long as I used a negative connecting pin on the outside Rail, I could control my accessory with the Trains as well as my tranny, for instance when my Passenger came into the Station the Loco could turn on the Station lights and they would stay on as long as he Engine and cars were in the station! And whenthe Train left the ights would go out What i would like to know is can we not do the same sort of power control by insulating one of the rails, so that when a loco connected power control it would be automaticly send power to the Whistling Station or Light Flasher? Part 2 I was reading a S guagian Magazine Article Dated March/April 1997 35 year Celebration Issue Page 25.< Modeling the Southern Pacific in Oregon By Richard Arsenault > In this Article Richard Discusses his Building of his Layout, the part I am trying to track down is his Sound system wich is on page 36 after much research he settled on the System introduced by,ALPS which stands for Advance Light Power and Sound. The nice feature is the 55 push- button key pad sound controller is that it is wireless, Transmitting commands via infrared signals to a very small metal reciever which can be easily installed in a bush or a building. This is a Great sound sytem for Large Layouts or Small Compact Layouts, What i need to Know is where can I Buy this System ? If any of the members know? please please E-mail me the addres or tell me where I can purchase the sound system Thanks for the listen jde@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6685	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Re: switch controllers/stockyard

I use the smaller #1447 red and green 18 volt bulbs . They are .43 diameter instead of the .56 diameter of the #432 bulb. This keeps them down almost inside the plastic of the AF switch Controller. A little tougher to get into the controller but much lower profile, and no melted openings. They are usually about 25-30 cents each from the local replacement parts guy at TCA. They should be available most any train related place. eric reis kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jarcho <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 5:17 PM Subject: [S-Trains] switch controllers/stockyard > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Switch controllers: It's easy to make colored light bulbs: just paint > clear ones with flat red or green paint. Experiment a little to get it > right. I always leave those bulbs partly unscrewed so they don't light up, > ever since my son got a really nasty burn through several layers of skin > from one. > > Tom > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6686	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: Lionle vs. AF

jde: That stuff is easier to do with Lionel because there is one extra rail to play with besides the two necessary to power the train. Nevertheless, it is possible to do almost everything like that with Flyer too. You just have to go to more trouble and you may not want to. Accessory circuits, train control circuits, and signal systems can be built using the AF #670 track trip or ones made by Dallee which are solid state. You insulate a section of one rail with insulating track pins. Then you feed power to that rail segment thru a 670 track trip. This is a little electromagnet that closes a switch. The electromagnet is activated when the loco is in the insulated zone because the loco draws power thru it. The trip can be used to turn on any circuit you want. If you stop the train, the switch in the trip opens again. There is also the #697 pressure type track trip, where the weight of the loco closes (or opens) a switch. If you stop the train over this trip, the switch in the trip stays on, which can sometimes endanger switch or semaphore coils. In fact, Lionel made such a device that I understand works fine with Flyer altho I've never used it. MTH makes a repro of it now, called a TAD I don't know anything about the sound system you mention, altho I remember the article. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6687	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/19/2000
Subject: lionel vs AF

jde: let me add to that a little bit. You can use the 670 trip with either rail. You used the talking station as an example. Well, that stops the train by cutting off power to the base post rail in the stopping zone as all Flyer train stopping accessories do. So to avoid interfering with that, you can hook up the trip to an insulated section in the variable voltage post rail that the train passes thru before it gets to the station, which takes a couple seconds to start up. By the time the train gets to the station it will be going and will stop the train. Better connect an on/off switch in there or you will wear the record in the t s out and also bore yourself to tears. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6688	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: animated station

In a message dated 1/19/00 5:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, jarcho@... writes: << If you turn up the vibrator far enough to drive the people up out of the underpass, they will fall down on the flat parts. >> Tom, I guess that I am just lucky! It could be that I have adjusted things a bit on the 'slow' side, but the people "walk" as they should, do not fall over, do go through the underpass OK, enter and leave the car, etc., without being any more noisy than a typical stock yard. Mine is a piece that know very well (I acquired it from one of my best friends from boyhood.) and maybe I have grown accustomed to its foibles. It worked well when we were boys. In any case, it has stayed in proper adjustment for some time now (several years). I enjoy mine for both operational and sentimental reasons. My Lionel friends are usually quite impressed with the accessory -- ah, but what do 3-railers know? :-)). Have fun. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6689	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: stockyard

In a message dated 1/19/00 5:33:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jarcho@... writes: << RB, I got my stockyard to work quite well on my x-mas layout this year by replacing the fabric with that shur-line stuff. My cows had been kept in a sealed metal cough drop box since childhood and there was no visible damage to the original fabric, but it didn't work any more. >> I have done the same to good effect. The original mohair does age over time (High acid level causing porosity in the fibers?). Your additional suggestions are excellent. My stock yard works pretty much as it should, but it does require more 'guidance' for the cattle than the people at my Guilford do. BTW, when were kids, we used to load the people into the cattle cars and vice-versa -- just like the real railroads! RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6690	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Link Couplers Fix

I have tried this fix for cars not staying together....pick up some small black wire ties used in electrical work...it works very well and you do not see them....I am using them on my New Haven passenger cars, Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6691	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: WEBSITE WITH S FOR SALE

I went to look up a friend's artwork and found this website: http://www.highiron.com It may be helpful if you want to buy American Flyer reasonable. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn, NASG secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6692	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: ShureLine and bulbs

ShureLine paint pad material is available at Home Depot (two replacement pads per box). Plenty for a herd. About three bucks a box. Remember, angle of the grain is key. I found 24 degrees off center to work well - - around the pen and up the ramp, no mods. I like the yellow rubber band idea. I use a white plastic bar across mine to ensure the ramp stays up. I must have so far been lucky with my switch controllers - - no melts, no burns even with 2 kids. The bulbs are a translucent green or red and do have clearance with the covers. I do know I'm low on replacement bulbs on hand. I'll check to see which they are - - likely the smaller size 1447's, now to find someone selling some. PS I was looking through a past copy of S-Gaugian last night. I think it was June-July '98? Anyway Tom's first of a series of Roundhouse articles on transformers is in the issue, and someone wrote up how to modify switch controllers so the lights burn less hot, yet the frogs get ample juice to respond with a snap. In case you want to check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6693	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Paint removal

Hello S Gaugers, Does anyone out there know a way to remove paint from plastic without harming the plastic? Any help in this matter would be appreciated.Thanks, Steve Bulamatare1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6694	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: lionel vs AF

> You can use the 670 trip with either rail. MTH makes an infrared trip. While it is designed to clamp onto 3-rail track, it has a switch which allows the user to select between track power & external power. Cut off the rail attachments, switch it to external, and you can power it directly from the transformer. The drawback is that the unit is bulky. Most people would want to disguise it somehow. I haven't experimented with this, but I know someone who tried the above procedure; he says it works. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6695	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal

On old Flyer bodies I have successfully used brake fluid for 24 hours. Don't know if there is any problem with newer plastics. You can test by putting some in contact with the a non showing inside portion and observing. "Stephen V. Anderson" wrote: > > From: "Stephen V. Anderson" <bulamatare1@...> > > Hello S Gaugers, Does anyone out there know a way to remove paint from plastic without harming the plastic? Any help in this matter would be appreciated.Thanks, Steve > Bulamatare1@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6696	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: S Photos Needed at Walthers!

Howdy Friends Just got this from a friend at Wm K Walthers. Seems they need photos ASAP for next years catalogs..... > From: Lance Burton, Wm. K. Walthers lanceb@... > Subj: Help - S Scale Slide Sources??? > > Once again, a plea for help! > > Any suggestions for anyone working in S Scale (or O or G) who might be > able/willing/ready to send in Magic photos for the 2001 Big Trains > Book?? > > ANY leads will be much appreciated - the well is apparently dry so far > this year. > > Lance This is an excellent opportunity to promote S so take some action! Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6697	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal

--- "Stephen V. Anderson" <bulamatare1@...> wrote: > Hello S Gaugers, Does anyone out there know a way to remove paint > from plastic without harming the plastic? I tried using Polyscale paint remover to remove black paint from the roofs of 3 plastic 650 passenger cars and it worked so slowly that I had to leave it on for a long time and it wound up softening the plastic before it removed the paint and after several days of tedious, messy, disgusting work I have 3 warped blistered cars with the black paint smeared in with the plastic. The instructions on the can were ridiculous too; It said that it was slow acting so it should be left on for the full time. What exactly is the full time? I just finished removing the paint from a plastic Branford diner heavyweight car shell using Mr. Muscle oven cleaner. It took all the paint off in minutes and didn't seem to harm the plastic at all, except that it does appear very dry and has a film to it, but if one is painting it, this shouln't matter too much. If you do use Mr. Muscle do so in a washtub and use rubber gloves. Wash everything off when done. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6698	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Telephone and Electrical lines

There was a discussion not so long ago on one of these lists (so I cross-posted) about telephone and power cables stretched between poles. I came across this site for EZ Line, a product designed for the purpose. I know no more than that. Go see it, maybe it solves your problem. http://www.berkshirejunction.com/scenery.htm#sound Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6699	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Paint removal

I have had very good luck with "orange citrus" cleaners. Seems to soften paint quickly with no residue or damage. At least that has been my experience. Happy Railroading Bob wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6700	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: bulbs

In a message dated 1/20/00 4:37:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Has anyone found a supplier of colored bulbs that fit well in those openings and do not contact the adjacent plastic enough to damage it? Usually you see these with bulbs inserted that have no clearance in the lamp well. Luckily, you can reverse the lever just to disconnect the bulb from lighting. A bulb the size of the 18V for the switch itself would work--but try finding green or red! The same goes for AF transformers with those plastic jewel indicators. Some of those end up replaced by bayonet colored bulbs. Any ideas?? ( I bought a couple jewel covers and drilled tiny holes at the top to release the heat--seems to work, but not the solution; the bulb inside is just simply to large- >> (a) Try connecting the switch controls to a seoarate transformer (variable voltage post), and reduce the voltage so they aren't illuminated by a full 18 volts. They'll last longer too! (b) We DO carry red and green small-globe bulbs, if that's what you really want. (c) I've never come across melted lamp covers (30B etc). Are you sure the correct 18-volt bulbs were used in there? Maybe someone had inserted 14-volt bulbs (i.e, engine bulbs) instead? That would do it! The small-globe, 18-v bulbs should be fine. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6701	From: A50flyer@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Link coupler fix

Hi Friends, I have found that a V shaped wire spring(aircraft) that puts a slight down tension on the link solves the problem , AC actually made a similar spring for 660-662 alum. pass cars ! Link must be adjusted to level first . I had a spring co. in calif . bid on a thousand springs .--surprise 2.30 each for .400 inch bent wire. A little pricey for a give away! Please dont file youre links . marty wik a50flyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6702	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: paint removal

I have used at least 5 different things to remove paint from plastic. All paint removers just soften the paint; then you have to remove it with a SOFT brush such as a toothbrush. A strong solution of a detergent like Mr. Clean is the gentlest. Soak overnight, then scrub. A paint remover for plastics sold in hobby stores is the fastest and most efficient. Test first in an unexposed corner of the piece. Brake fluid is good but it may soften some plastics, esp. modern ones. It's usually ok for Flyer styrene. It is important to distinguish among the different plastics Glibert used. The acetate plastic, the one those early warped bodies, pullman floors, etc were made of, is the most vulnerable to chemicals. The styrene used later is pretty tough. The heavy bakelite that the earliest pullman bodies were made of is the toughest. You can use regular paint stripper on that, usually. With all, test in an unexposed place first. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6703	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 502

In a message dated 1/20/00 4:37:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << shurline fabric >> Ours are precut and angled properly for the brown and black cows, or people. Saves you a lot of time, but obviously costs a bit more that way. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6704	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Track diameter

Is there a supplier/manufacturer of 20-30" fixed curves or do I go with flex? Also, what is the minimum diameter for a AF290 steamer? Thanks Bobby Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6705	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Paint removal

> On old Flyer bodies I have successfully used brake fluid for 24 hours. I've done that on black plastic bodies without a problem. When I tried it on an older white plastic body, it kept on distorting over time. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6706	From: Don Abrams	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: links uncoupling

All, For particularly troubling situations like the 370's coupler bar here's what I've done. Take a car that you want to couple to it and put on a coupler spring like those used on the aluminum passenger cars. They can't be purchased to my knowledge, but you can easily make your own. It's been a few years since I modified a few freight cars, but what I did was use 0.010 guitar wire that I purchased from a local music store. Experiment to find a suitable round object to put a few turns around. The ends are trimmed to about 1/8" and bent 90 degrees. There should also be about 90 degrees separation of the ends. The diameter of the turned wire should be such so that the finished spring can be expanded slightly and fit over the large head of the link coupler pin. Now squeeze the two ends so that one rests on the top of the coupler and the other under the horizontal metal surface just above the head of the coupler pin. Now the coupler is spring loaded. The original link is unaltered and the purist can still remove this retrofit anytime. Keepin' em coupled, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6707	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: links uncoupling

How bad is it to install the opened-up pilots for a knuckle-equipped GP-7 on a 370, then change the sideframe set to one that has a link coupler mounted on it?? I realize AF only installed a link coupler on the sideframe for the rear truck of a 364 Alco unit, but could that mount be copied as an aftermarket or home-shop modification, like maybe a piece of brass angle that hooks behind the crossbar between the sideframes. Original authenticity is abandoned, but. . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6708	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter

At 05:31 PM 01/20/2000 -0400, Susie Goldberg-Davis wrote: >From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > >Is there a supplier/manufacturer of 20-30" fixed curves or do I go with >flex? You don't say what track you are currently using - Are you familiar with S Helper Service's 24" and 29" radius track, and of course adapters to connect to American Flyer track if needed -- you can check it out at: http://www.showcaseline.com/ and click on S-Trax Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6709	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter

I think some of the Gargraves sectionaltrack is in the same diameter ball park. Michael Greene wrote: > > From: Michael Greene <mgreene@...> > > At 05:31 PM 01/20/2000 -0400, Susie Goldberg-Davis wrote: > >From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > > > >Is there a supplier/manufacturer of 20-30" fixed curves or do I go with > >flex? > > You don't say what track you are currently using - Are you familiar with S > Helper Service's 24" and 29" radius track, and of course adapters to > connect to American Flyer track if needed -- you can check it out at: > > http://www.showcaseline.com/ > > and click on S-Trax > > Michael > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > For the fastest and easiest way to backup your files and, access them > from anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance > to win a digital camera. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/Atbackup ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6710	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest

The Fall S Fest 2000 will be special this year. It is a double silver anniversary event to be held at the Waukesha, Wisconsin Expo Arena (15 miles west of Milwaukee just off I-94). It is the 25th year for the Fall S Fest event, and it is the 25th anniversary of the Badgerland S Gaugers Club. Dates: Oct. 27-29. There is a registration fee to attend. There should be plenty of dealer tables (swap times are roughly Friday afternoon through late Saturday afternoon. Layout tours on Sunday (4-6 layouts - scale, hi-rail and American Flyer. There will be 6 + operating layouts at the Arena on display. Traditional events include contest, clinics, displays, train races and Saturday banquet. The Fall S Fest car (registrants only) is a Crown Milwaukee Road Reefer with special anniversary numbering. Registration forms will be coming this spring. For room reservations contact Tammy" at the Waukesha Area Convention and Visitors Bureau - 800-366-8474. S-Fest info: Mac McGrath: 815-455-7571, macster1@.... Plan Ahead. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6711	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Rosco fog fluid

I've never used Smoke fluid in enough quantity to justify purchasing such a large supply and it's been a long time since the days when I was working in theatre and could easily borrow some. One of these days I'm going to have to see if I can get a sample of the stuff from one of my theatrical friends. It should work the same as the train smoke fulid since the system used to produce smoke on stage is basically the same as in a train, but on a much larger scale. I am particularly interested in the fast dissapating fog fluid (I wonder why they don't call it fog juice anymore? Maybe they're afraid someone will mistake it for fruit juice. Non-toxic or not, I still wouldn't want to drink it.) Perhaps it would dissipate fast enough to avoid setting off the smoke alarm. Vic Bereskin > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:55:33 -0500 > From: David_Horn@... > Subject: Rosco fog fluid > > Vic, thanks for the links and info. Have you ever used Fog Fluid with your > AF toy trains? Did you like the results? Thanks. I might have to give it > a try. > > PS I did try odorfree, smokefree lamp oil from Ultra Pure (22 oz bottle at > Michael's for $3.44) and it smokes real well. However, my wife complained > that it generated an objectionable odor more so than anything else I've ever > run them with. Hmmmm.... maybe that's because I tried it in about 4 > different engines all within a short amount of time, or that I ran up to 3 > of them at a time, but then again, it was kinda smelly. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6712	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Track diameter

The 290 operates well on regular flyer track which is 19" radius. I have tried a Pacific, don't remember if it was a 290 or plastic, on Pikemaster and it seemed to work. Susie Goldberg-Davis wrote: > > From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > > Is there a supplier/manufacturer of 20-30" fixed curves or do I go with > flex? > > Also, what is the minimum diameter for a AF290 steamer? > > Thanks > Bobby Davis > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6713	From: Tom Walker	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: remove from mailing list

please remove this e-mail from your mailing list. I am no longer interested in this subject. thank you cobbler@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6714	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: link coupler springs

I described the manufacture of link coupler springs from 0.010 inch guitar strings way back in the Jan'Feb '93 S Gaugian Roundhouse. I've stopped doing it though; they tend to move around and eventually short out in spectacular fashion -- they actually melt in a shower of sparks. In illuminated & action cars all metal parts of the coupler except the weight are 'hot' and when the spring touches part of the next car's truck -- zap. It also happens when the springs fall on the track. Not worth the trouble. Plus my son used up all my guitar strings. On his guitar. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6715	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Bulbs

Hi S Gaugers, Thanks for your info!! Yes, if you lower the voltage to the controllers, the switch action will take a vacation and/or perform partially(the worst scenario-an open switch). This gets pronounced with more the distance to the switch. I have used smaller bulbs. Found that a "wire-nut" of proper size will grasp the top of the bulb and make removal and tightening a snap( have no clue who makes them but they have a vinyl soft finish-not hard plastic). An electronics store sold me a box of green 1447s, but the owner said--that's it! The box has to be 25 years old (Chicago Miniatures) and he was glad to get rid of them. Golly, this computer stuff is ruining my train hobby. The trains will want a divorce if this continues--I haven't been in the "trainroom" for a week! JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6716	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: turnouts for sale, L-Flyer for sale

While cleaning out my train room I found some items I don't need but someone might have a use for. There are 3 Miller turnouts. These are brass turnout-switches mounted on miller tiestrip. The tiestrip is the molded I Think urethane that was made to fit. turnouts There are 2 lefts and 1 right with brass track .125 inch high. A little corrosion here and there but working well. There are 4 additional tiestrip parts without the rails. 2 lefts and 2 rights. I have no idea what they are worth but will start at about the $40 for the 7 parts. If that's too low offer more, too much offer less. I also found some Lionel Flyer that I was going to sell at TCA but will see if anyone has an interest here. You can buy it here and then resell it on E-bay for a big markup. Burlington Northern Grey covered hopper 6-48605 $35 Burlington Gondola green 4-9300 $30 Great Northern green/orange boxcar 900-197 $45 Northern Pacific black/gold caboose 6-48711 $45 Burlington Northern Boxcar, green 6-48304 $40 Northern Pacific Boxcar NASG 1094 $45 Burlington Northern Flat with vans TCA 95 6-48491 Red flat with white BN America vans $65 SHS Showcase line stock car western pacific #65 (75891) $35 SHS Showcase line stock car Union Pacific #51 (49042) $35 Thanks for any offers, eric reis kenmore, wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6717	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: paint removal...

A fellow at a local train shop said that he uses Pine-sol to strip paint. Soak a bit and scrub with a toothbrush and soak some more. Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6718	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: SW-1 updated Web pages

Jon Marinello has updated the SW-1 web site to include a few pics of the roadnames. These are now completed and scheduled to leave Hong Kong this weekend with deliver the end of next month. You can check them out at: http://www.showcaseline.com/sw1switchers.html and: http://www.showcaseline.com/sw1_in_stock.html -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6719	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid

In a message dated 1/20/00 7:05:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: I just can't figure out what all the fuss over smoke fluid options are. With two very good brands (supersmoke) and (live steam) available at $4-$5 a bottle Why would one want to go to all the trouble of buying quarts and gallons of strange concoctions that stink? There are even 4 oz. refill bottles of Supersmoke available at very reasonable prices. I run 11 different American Flyer smoking steamers and one American Models "New Haven" steamer almost constantly. At least three of them run every day for up to three hours. One bottle of Supersmoke or Live Steam lasts me for months. These products work great and smell heavenly (To us old Codgers). And they are readily available from all the dealers that hang around this list. Doug Peck of Port Lines Hobby is just one example. I think that if a person can afford to buy a loco for $75-$1,000 they can probably afford $5 for some well manufactured, safe and aromatic smoke fluid. This is just my opinion of course.... Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6720	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 504

3M makes the wire nut "bulb removers". However, with 3 sizes of plastic or rubber tubing as found at home supply stores you can have removal tools for all the Flyer (Gilbert) bulbs. Works great not to ruin a new bulb. If you have an electronics store with NOS (new old stock) you may find other Gilbert parts such as nickel plated screws, solder terminals and Fahnstock clips. I bought a bunch of these for a buck a box two years ago. On another subject, the Gilbert Reproductions smoke is particularly good. --- Nick Colleran _____________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:18:13 EST > From: KtRdd@... >Subject: Bulbs > >Hi S Gaugers, >Thanks for your info!! Yes, if you lower the voltage to the controllers, >the switch action will take a vacation and/or perform partially(the worst >scenario-an open switch). This gets pronounced with more the distance to the >switch. I have used smaller bulbs. Found that a "wire-nut" of proper size >will grasp the top of the bulb and make removal and tightening a snap( have >no clue who makes them but they have a vinyl soft finish-not hard plastic). >An electronics store sold me a box of green 1447s, but the owner said--that's >it! The box has to be 25 years old (Chicago Miniatures) and he was glad to >get rid of them. Golly, this computer stuff is ruining my train hobby. >The trains will want a divorce if this continues--I haven't been in the >"trainroom" for a week! > >JohnR >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6721	From: James C. Knight	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Bulbs galore

While looking to buy bulbs for switch controllers a few years ago I was advised by trusted Flyer friends that there are a lot of inferior grade bulbs on the market, and I should get my bulbs from one source only - Jill Sisco. Jill sells bulbs, and only bulbs, in the Purple Hall at York and through the mail. The last time I bought bulbs from her a box of 100 #1447 bulbs cost $27 in either clear, red, or green, or a box of 50 red and 50 green. I didn't notice last Fall at York how much a box of bulbs is currently, but it can't be too much higher. As far as I know, Jill's contact information is: Jill A. Sisco 8644 La Tremolina Lane Whittier, CA 90605 Phone: 310-693-3043 Let there be light! Jim Knight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6722	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke fluid

> With two very good brands (supersmoke) and (live steam) available at > $4-$5 a bottle Why would one want to go to all the trouble of buying > quarts and gallons of strange concoctions that stink? I use regular (non-smokeless) lamp oil with some concentrated cedarwood oil added to it (without the oil it has very little smell,) and it smells better and makes more smoke than supersmoke and that's why I use it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6723	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: WALTHERS HAS A SALE ON A L-FLYER DERRICK CAR!

Buried on page 69 of the latest Terminal Hobby Shop sale flyer, is a Lionel AMERICAN FLYER Flat Car w/ Derrick. $34.98 That's $15 off the regular price. (800) 4TRAINS is their order number. As Terminal is the retail outlet for Walters, if we can get a run and sell them out on this, they might be encouraged to offer more for us S'ers. Remember their proposed S cornerstone buildings didn't materialize. Sales = encouragement to offer more. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6724	From: Michael Greene	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: AM Pacific Detail Kit - 'S' Scale Locomotive & Supply

Just FYI I received a note from 'S' Scale Locomotive and Supply yesterday advising that their their detail it for the American Models Pacific is available. Part number PDK 1, price $110 + shipping. According to their note they have also added some additional items to their catalog, including jewels for classification lights, and boiler fronts of varying types & sizes. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6725	From: John Stephenson	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: WALTHERS HAS A SALE ON A L-FLYER DERRICK CAR!

The catalogue number for the flat car is 434649009 and its listed under 'O' items. As of this writing they only have 16 left.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6726	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: AF Smoke Formulations

'S'ers, Given the fairly robust level of discussion about smoke fluids lately, I thought I would throw this into the fray. From what I can gather, Gilbert produced two formulations of smoke fluid during their tenure over AF. One came in a bottle that was labeled "toxic", while the other came in sealed ampules and was labeled as "nontoxic". The former apparently contained a kerosene base ("lamp oil") with an added essence of cedarwood oil, while the latter contained a mineral oil base with added cedarwood aroma. Kerosene is a mixture of hydrocarbon compounds derived from petroleum fractionation ("cracking") and is somewhat "toxic" (LD50: 28 g/kg in rabbit), although there are far nastier things around. Still, it's not something that you would want to ingest on a regular basis. Mineral oil is also a hydrocarbon product derived from petroleum, but its components are much higher in molecular weight, with a substantial reduction in toxicity (it is marketed as a catharsis agent). As far as the "smoke-producing" function is concerned, I would guess that the kerosene-based fluid would be better since its components are more volatile than those in the mineral oil-based fluid. I have used several of the currently available smoke fluid formulations with satisfactory results. Keep 'em smokin', Jay Mellon Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6727	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/21/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6728	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO set on ebay

I am not a collector of Gilbert HO. Someone has an auction on ebay advertised as a Gilbert HO set. It has an 0-8-0 engine marked Chattanooga several freight cars and a caboose I do not recognize. Also, the track has built-in road bed and a power pack that looks like a Lifelike unit but no Lifelike lettering that I can see. I think this is a Life Like train set someone has put in a Gilbert set box. Anyone out there more knowledgeable. The ebay number is 238457838 and it closes today, Saturday, at 6 pm eastern time. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6729	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Mating track

Hi: When mating SHS track to AF track with the nickel silver adapters, is it better to solder the adapters with inserts into the AF track, being careful not to get solder into the SHS track part, or is it better to try and expand the adapter that goes into the AF track so that there is a tighter fit and not use solder? Anyone have experience with this? Tx. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6730	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO set on ebay

I remember the Chattanooga as a Tyco offering of quite a few years ago. It started life as a 2-8-0 and later was cheapened to an 0-8-0. Saw many of these in discount stores. "Alice S. Beachy" wrote: > > From: "Alice S. Beachy" <abeachy@...> > > I am not a collector of Gilbert HO. Someone has an auction on ebay advertised as a Gilbert HO set. It has an 0-8-0 engine marked Chattanooga several freight cars and a caboose I do not recognize. Also, the track has built-in road bed and a power pack that looks like a Lifelike unit but no Lifelike lettering that I can see. I think this is a Life Like train set someone has put in a Gilbert set box. Anyone out there more knowledgeable. The ebay number is 238457838 and it closes today, Saturday, at 6 pm eastern time. > > Wayne Beachy > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > For the fastest and easiest way to backup your files and, access them > from anywhere. Try @backup Free for 30 days. Click here for a chance > to win a digital camera. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/Atbackup ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6731	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO set on ebay

In a message dated 1/22/00 8:05:07 AM, abeachy@... writes: << It has an 0-8-0 engine marked Chattanooga >> This ain't Gilbert! The Gilbert HO stemer types were a 0-6-0 switcher and the Hudson. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6732	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/22/2000
Subject: Cleaning old track

Greetings, I believe it was in John Grams book, "Toy Train Collecting and Operating," that he refers to someone at a clinic reviving old, rusty track and bringing it back to good usable condition. As I recall, he was amazed at the results. (I just thumbed through the book, but couldn't find the paragraph.) What techniques do you folks use, and at what point do you consider old track as just trash? I have also acquired a 785 coal loader in need of restoration. Greenberg lists the body as being beige, legs red oxide primer. Anyone have suggestions as to suitable duplicate colors for this total repaint? (Someone had shot the whole thing in flat black, so I don't think I'm destroying anything by repainting.) Thanks again for all your help. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6733	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO 0-8-0 (not)

Chuck was correct. Today I found another dealer who had the same HO 0-8-0 in it's proper Tyco box. Good eye Chuck. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6734	From: JSBMLB@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: BK Enterprize switches

Thought I would pass on an experience of mine building BK code 148 switches. Just finished a #10 crossover in closed frog style. BK does not list a #10 as of yet for closed frog but they did it and said that this would now be a standard size. Anyway since I could not find a source of code 148 insulating rail joiners for the frog I was successful at using code 125 insulated joiners supplied by S-helper. Don sugested I file a very slight amount off the bottom of the rail flange and I'm happy to report the results were excellent. Scale, high rail and AF equipment all work great through this switch. Mike Berus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6735	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Railmaster RS-3

I really did it this time. I bought AJIN (KOREA) power trucks (5 years ago) with the idea of building a diesel engine. So how could I pass up a sale on a Railmaster RS-3? I need to get Amedrican Model side frams. How how to I build the poer unit. The trucks come apart so they will need a side frame with brass bearings. to hold the drive trucks together. Now what size moder do I use and what type of drive train. Someone has done this project before me. Should I put it together with Liquid Nails or Epoxy? Help is why I jointed this group. Guy's Lionel builds a new Caboose and we will all be dead before they come out with the road names we need. Let them go and help those who help us survive. Jim Sleeth aztecfan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6736	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 506

Wayne, The "Chattanooga" is not an AC Gilbert. Gilbert HO steam are two in number (I have a sample of both in my HO stuff) a New York Central J1a Hudson (not the same version as the O and S Hudsons) and a Pennsylvania 0-6-0 switcher. Both locomotives share a miniaturized smoke unit that looks very much like a smaller version of the S gauge smoke units. Like their Flyer big brothers they are good runners. Incidently the cars for these train sets were not manufactured by AC Gilbert but by (Gordon) Varney, an early HO manufacturer. The "Chattanooga" showed up on the shelves of local discount and department stores a decade or more after the demise of American Flyer, sometime during the mid to late 70s. With this kind of marketing I would be very reluctant to buy via Ebay, or for that matter, any web based auction house. I prefer doing train business "face-to-face" at train shows and meets. It is one thing to sell a 371 as a "rare" locomotive and another to sell a non-Gilbert as a Gilbert set to be sure, but both are transactions based on fraud. 'S'atisfaction W. Thomas Boussum > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:05:45 -0500 > From: "Alice S. Beachy" <abeachy@...> > Subject: Gilbert HO set on ebay > > I am not a collector of Gilbert HO. Someone has an auction on ebay advertised as a Gilbert HO set. It has an 0-8-0 engine marked Chattanooga several freight cars and a caboose I do not recognize. Also, the track has built-in road bed and a power pack that looks like a Lifelike unit but no Lifelike lettering that I can see. I think this is a Life Like train set someone has put in a Gilbert set box. Anyone out there more knowledgeable. The ebay number is 238457838 and it closes today, Saturday, at 6 pm eastern time. > > Wayne Beachy > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6737	From: JSBMLB@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: BK #10 Turnouts

Neil, I may be using the wrong terminology. You asked, "Have I built any BK turnouts?" When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" as I believe you are using the word. I am rather new at scale, Which is correct terminology? We ( North Penn S gaugers) are using code 148 AM flex track and these switches (turnouts) are for the club layout. They work excellently for scale, hirail and AF equipment. It did require quite a bit of work at the frog to get sufficient clearance for the AF wheels to clear the frog. This was my first attempt and I feel it went very well. The crossover is a right hand crossover using #10 closed frog. I have two left #10's that I will be doing next. I liked this so well I ordered two more pair (#8 this time) to build sidings. For my own personal layout I have a temporary layout using a combination of S-helper sectional track using 24" and 29" radius. As I expand it is likely I will use this and S-helper flex when it is available and then code 125 BK turnouts.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6738	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts

> I may be using the wrong terminology. You asked, "Have I built any BK > turnouts?" When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" as I > believe you are using the word. I am rather new at scale, Which is correct > terminology? Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd install a turnout and then throw the switch. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6739	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts

You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. Larry sscale@... wrote: > From: sscale@... > > > I may be using the wrong terminology. You asked, "Have I built any BK > > turnouts?" When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" as I > > believe you are using the word. I am rather new at scale, Which is correct > > terminology? > > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6740	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: ON3 Bacheman

What cars are close to scale S. That box car and Caboose looked good on the Web Site I was on. They had good prices Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6741	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

1) JSBMLB@... When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd install a turnout and then throw the switch. 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. ---- This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6742	From: johnford	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Freight Car Ratios

I don't remember who it was that asked the question about the ratio of various freight cars, however, whilst doing some research, I ran acrooss this. "Model railroaders sometimes consider duplicating the real railroads in numerical ratio of one type of car to others. Actully, this scheme dosn't work out very well when less than 100 car are involved, and few model railroaders have that many. By national average, out of each 1000 real railroad cars there are 427 hoppers and gondolas; 363 box cars; 70 tank cars; 66 reefers; 32 flat cars; 26 stock and poltry cars; 11 cabooses; and 5 miscellanious types. Of course, individual railroad ratios vary with the type of traffic handled. Thus, western roads might have a higher ratio of reefers; eastern roads, with heavy coal traffic, more hoppers and gondolas. So take your choice and buuild as many cars of any kind as you want." This was taken from CAR AND LOCOMOTIVE PLANS FOR MODEL RAILROADERS originally printed by the Atchison Topeka and Santa Fe Railway Co. in 1948. It should be noted that in 1948, many railroads classified hoppers as hopper bottom gondolas. Likewise stock and poltry cars were so classified making it imppossible to determine their exact numbers. "S"incerely yours, John Oglesby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6743	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

> This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > It's where the rails from each route cross each other (possibly originating from the term "leapfrog" ). Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6744	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6745	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Flyer blooper?

Hi, I just thought I would throw this one out there for comment/info/old idea? What flyer operator doesn't remember a Flyer steamer going into a "Flyer" radius turn and not hearing the pilot wheels of the engine derail? My 293 is a repeat offender! I now believe that the fault lies in the screws that hold the pilot housing on the boiler chassis-they act as "Stops" in allowing the pilot framing to move freely? (at least on that engine). In fact, after a little filing of the screw head surfaces, this problem seems cured for that engine? Believe me, it took 25 years to sort that out. I hope someone else knows of this? JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6746	From: donabrams	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: links uncoupling

I think converting a 370 to knuckles was covered quite recently. Check the archives. I think Doug Peck even listed the part numbers. I think he carries them all. If you put a 361/364 trailing truck on a 372 the link pin hits the side step -- it won't turn very far in one direction at all. If you made a custom bracket for the link coupler it would probably stick out from the pilot an unsightly amount. You'd also have PA sideframes on your Geep. The springs I've made for my links have fared well. They've stayed put. Take care, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <ironhors@...> To: Don Abrams <donabrams@...> Cc: S-trains List <S-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] links uncoupling > How bad is it to install the opened-up pilots for a knuckle-equipped GP-7 on a > 370, then change the sideframe set to one that has a link coupler mounted on > it?? I realize AF only installed a link coupler on the sideframe for the rear > truck of a 364 Alco unit, but could that mount be copied as an aftermarket or > home-shop modification, like maybe a piece of brass angle that hooks behind the > crossbar between the sideframes. Original authenticity is abandoned, but. . . > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6747	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: New Web Pages

I have added new pages to my home page. They show pictures of the Seaboard Air Line passenger train I repainted. Go to www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html and click on Seaboard Silver Imagination Train button. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6748	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

The part that croaks!!!!!! The part where the two rails cross each other. Also each part of the frog also has a name of its own. Larry Michael Westphal wrote: > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > 1) JSBMLB@... > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > ---- > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > Thanks, > Michael > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6749	From: busy-boy	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer HO train Item #238457838

Dear Mr. Taylor, Thank you for your forthrightness. Everyone makes mistakes. How they correct them informs their character. Chris Zizzo -----Original Message----- From: Curt & Teresa Taylor <taylorct@...> To: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:32 PM Subject: Re: American Flyer HO train Item #238457838 >that's why I have a picture of all my stuff I sell, I was told it was >American flyer, I had several people e-mail me with questions, and I >answered all of them honestly, that's why you need to know what you are >buying and check into it before you bid, I let the person who bought it back >out of the sale. the track all says acgilbert on the bottom, but the cars >say nothing. >The train looks just like the one on the box, I wouldn't intentionally >mislead anyone. I obviously made a mistake. > >-----Original Message----- >From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> >To: taylorct@... <taylorct@...> >Cc: Safe Harbor <SafeHarbor@...> >Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 2:33 PM >Subject: American Flyer HO train Item #238457838 > > >>Mr. Taylor: >>Concerning your e-Bay auction, American Flyer HO train Item #238457838. >> >>This train is not an original American Flyer piece. This is probably a Tyco >>train repacked in an American Flyer box. This very common Toys-R-Us item >>is worth about 20-25 dollars on its best day. The box, in better condition, >>would be worth more. >> >>I am certain that it is not your intention to mislead anyone, however, your >>auction page contains seriously erroneous information which has now come to >>the attention of the American Flyer collectors on the S-Trains mail list. >>I am writing to give you an opportunity to put this right. >> >>Cordially, >>Chris Zizzo >>The Flyer Buyer >> >> >> >> >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6750	From: M.McConnell	Date: 1/23/2000
Subject: Light Bulbs

I can vouch for Jill Sisco as a source of bulbs. I've replaced all my switch controller bulbs with the 24v version that Jill sells. They burn much cooler and don't require any changes to the switch controller. There are both red and green versions of the bulb - but I noticed the brightness of the green bulbs is very low, they look great when the lights are out, but somewhat hard to see when room lighting is normal. The red bulbs are great! There is also a 24v version of the clear bulbs that go in the switches themselves that burn very cool and supply ample light to easily see the colored indication of the switch position. The advantage of the 24v bulbs is they will last almost forever! The numbers of the bulbs are: Red 2432r Green 2432g Clear 2447 I have a different phone number for Jill Sisco 562-693-3043 >Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:06:57 -0500 > From: "James C. Knight" <jcknight@...> >Subject: Bulbs galore > >While looking to buy bulbs for switch controllers a few years ago I was >advised by trusted Flyer friends that there are a lot of inferior grade >bulbs on the market, and I should get my bulbs from one source only - >Jill Sisco. Jill sells bulbs, and only bulbs, in the Purple Hall at >York and through the mail. The last time I bought bulbs from her a box >of 100 #1447 bulbs cost $27 in either clear, red, or green, or a box of >50 red and 50 green. I didn't notice last Fall at York how much a box >of bulbs is currently, but it can't be too much higher. > >As far as I know, Jill's contact information is: > >Jill A. Sisco >8644 La Tremolina Lane >Whittier, CA 90605 >Phone: 310-693-3043 > >Let there be light! > >Jim Knight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6751	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: ON3 Bacheman

Jim Sleet wroe: > What cars are close to scale S. That box car and Caboose looked good on the Web Site I was on. They had > good prices > Jim Sleeth The only Bachmann On30 cars that would be easily usable for S are the Box Car, Flat Car and Gondola. These would be good for something old- timey, turn of the previous century (1899-1900). The caboose and passenenger cars are too tall, even as they sit on the On30 trucks. Placing them on S trucks would make them taller. Although, I was looking at the passenger car truck this weekend, and the way they're constructed, it might be possible to build a new, wider bolster and possibly use Ace wheels. At that point, the passenger cars might be visually compatible with the Franklin cars. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6752	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: smoke talk

I'm considering and experimenting with other smoke fluids because I don't think SuperSmoke works very well (too thick), and while LVTS S-Gauge Live Steam fluid works great it is getting hard (some say it isn't made any more) to find and dealers who have it increase the price at will. Where can one buy cedarwood oil? I might try that in lamp oil. Also still contemplating Rosco Fog Fluid. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6753	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: S track Diameter/AF 290

I apologize for not being clear with last week's message :( I'm looking for fixed curves 10-15" radius (20-30" diameter). Smaller than Pike Master. Is there a manufacturer who makes this or do I go with flex track? I have AF track and want to run a AF290 steamer on this small radius due to space requirements. Can this engine handle a smaller radius? Thanks Bobby Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6754	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: cedarwood oil

--- David_Horn@... wrote: > > Where can one buy cedarwood oil? Cedarwood oil is an "essential oil" If you do a search for "essential oils" (in quotes) on Altavista you will find thousands of places that sell many different brands of cedarwood oil. I got mine at a health food store and I can't remember the brand. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6755	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

The frog is the part where the rails cross each other. In most switches the frog is a non-moving single piece with 2 flangeways crossing each other. In BK switches, which our club uses extensively for scale and hirail, the "frog" is merely the other end of the points and moves with the points via a pivot point midway between the points and frog. Points are called points because they're pointy. Frogs dericed their name from the shape of the single piece fixed frog assembly. BTW, purists notwithstanding, just about everyone in our cluh calls the switches "switches" and not turnouts. Maybe it's 'cause some of us are long in the tooth and remember when even railroad men called them switches. My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. Michael Westphal wrote: > > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > 1) JSBMLB@... > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > ---- > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > Thanks, > Michael > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6756	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

The frog is not one piece. IIRC it is made of four parts bolted to gather. They also have spring frogs where one route the frog is closed and when you use the other route it opens by the pressure from the wheel and closes again after the wheel has passed through. The closed spring part is for the siding off the main line as these are used on high speed routes with the closed part carrying the wheel on the high speed route. Larry Chuck Smith wrote: > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > > The frog is the part where the rails cross each other. In most switches > the frog is a non-moving single piece with 2 flangeways crossing each > other. In BK switches, which our club uses extensively for scale and > hirail, the "frog" is merely the other end of the points and moves with > the points via a pivot point midway between the points and frog. Points > are called points because they're pointy. Frogs dericed their name from > the shape of the single piece fixed frog assembly. > > BTW, purists notwithstanding, just about everyone in our cluh calls the > switches "switches" and not turnouts. Maybe it's 'cause some of us are > long in the tooth and remember when even railroad men called them > switches. My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. > > Michael Westphal wrote: > > > > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > > > 1) JSBMLB@... > > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > > > ---- > > > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > Sign up for eLerts at: > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6757	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Switches

>My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. Which is exactly what's been said here. You can't move a turnout unless you pick it up with a crane. You can throw the switch (which selects a route through the turnout). In terms of responsibilty on the railroad, the civil engineer cares how the turnout is set up, the locomotive engineer cares how the switch is set. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6758	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: cedarwood oil

What do you use cedarwood oil for--perfumed smoke in AF engines?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6759	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Train Meets

Dear fellow S gaugers: Since I live out in the farm country of Minnesota it was at one time a good idea to use E-Bay. Now as some of you have noticed it has become a sellers market and it is getting more difficult to beleave some claims. The problem I have is do anyone know of a information source I could subscribe to that might list some train meets. The nearest metropolitain area I could possibly travel to is Minneapolis/St. Paul Mn.. Also in the past the promoter would advertise this great train meet then I would go and it would be all HO. Which behoves me because evry hobby shop on the globe carries HO. I also notice nobody seems to be purchasing much HO just browse. So Do you have any resource info to point me towards to see what is going on and when in Minnesota. Thanks so much for reading my post. Happy Railroading Bob Wight.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6760	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

I was talking about model switches. The common variety model frog is usually a one piece frog, such as AM or Atlas HO. The toy train like AF uses a moving frog of sorts. BK uses a moving frog that looks more scale but uses a lot of frog motion. lawrence jackman wrote: > > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > > The frog is not one piece. IIRC it is made of four parts bolted to gather. > They also have spring frogs where one route the frog is closed and when you > use the other route it opens by the pressure from the wheel and closes again > after the wheel has passed through. The closed spring part is for the siding > off the main line as these are used on high speed routes with the closed part > carrying the wheel on the high speed route. > Larry > > Chuck Smith wrote: > > > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > > > > The frog is the part where the rails cross each other. In most switches > > the frog is a non-moving single piece with 2 flangeways crossing each > > other. In BK switches, which our club uses extensively for scale and > > hirail, the "frog" is merely the other end of the points and moves with > > the points via a pivot point midway between the points and frog. Points > > are called points because they're pointy. Frogs dericed their name from > > the shape of the single piece fixed frog assembly. > > > > BTW, purists notwithstanding, just about everyone in our cluh calls the > > switches "switches" and not turnouts. Maybe it's 'cause some of us are > > long in the tooth and remember when even railroad men called them > > switches. My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. > > > > Michael Westphal wrote: > > > > > > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > > > > > 1) JSBMLB@... > > > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > > > > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > > > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > > > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > > > > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > > > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Michael > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > > > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > > > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > > > -- > > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Get great offers on top-notch products that match your interests! > > Sign up for eLerts at: > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/elerts1 ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6761	From: Mark A. Oleksinski	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Newcomer

Greetings S-Gaugers! Although I am new to this list, I am not exactly new to the hobby. I have definately been out of it for a while (that teenage through college thing). I have actually been on this list for probably over a year (maybe more) and quietly observed and absorbed information. I thank you for that! I am inexperienced at American Flyer/S Gauge equipment and am trying to get "into it" with my wife's blessing. My father had a set, handed it down to my brother and I, and now want to be able to hand the hobby down to any offspring we have later! More on that stuff later. The question I have is track based. I guess this will be a poll type question in any case. What is the best kind of track to purchase? I have the old AF track with only the 4 metal ties per section. What is the best material for track? Nickel-Silver, Stainless Steel, Brass? Who makes the best stuff? What about ties? Is it better to lay your own track on ties or buy track that has the ties already? What is the best roadbed? I think I'll leave my questions at that for now. I know for sure I'll have more later! Thanks Again! Mark A. Oleksinski chance6@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6762	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

Gentlemen and any ladies reading this, From what I recall someone telling me, modellers started calling them turnouts to seperate the item from electrical switches. Railroaders I was told called them switches as "switching from one track to another". The movable parts, I was told were the points and the angled portion where the two diverging rails meet are the frog. It sounds like the items Mr. Smith's club uses are the type used by American Flyer@, which I believe is called an open frog. At one time way back when, the prototype railroads may have used this type of frog also. I believe I read someplace that some narrow gauge railroads used them. I believe all standard gauge railroads use the closed frog. I believe the closed frog came into use because of less maintenance. Chuck Smith wrote: > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > > The frog is the part where the rails cross each other. In most > switches > the frog is a non-moving single piece with 2 flangeways crossing each > other. In BK switches, which our club uses extensively for scale and > hirail, the "frog" is merely the other end of the points and moves > with > the points via a pivot point midway between the points and frog. > Points > are called points because they're pointy. Frogs dericed their name > from > the shape of the single piece fixed frog assembly. > > BTW, purists notwithstanding, just about everyone in our cluh calls > the > switches "switches" and not turnouts. Maybe it's 'cause some of us > are > long in the tooth and remember when even railroad men called them > switches. My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. > > Michael Westphal wrote: > > > > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > > > 1) JSBMLB@... > > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > > > ---- > > > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > > > Thanks, > > Michael > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > ---------------------------- > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > > > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free > coupons! > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6763	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/24/2000
Subject: Re: BK #10 Turnouts, switches, points, frog?

I worked on the Union Pacific and for John Santa Fe and we always threw switches with with the switch stand and then we went through the turnout. If we went from one parallel track to an other we lined the crossover and then went through the crossover. Larry Michael A. Scivoletti wrote: > From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> > > Gentlemen and any ladies reading this, > > From what I recall someone telling me, modellers started calling > them turnouts to seperate the item from electrical switches. Railroaders > I was told called them switches as "switching from one track to > another". The movable parts, I was told were the points and the angled > portion where the two diverging rails meet are the frog. It sounds like > the items Mr. Smith's club uses are the type used by American Flyer@, > which I believe is called an open frog. At one time way back when, the > prototype railroads may have used this type of frog also. I believe I > read someplace that some narrow gauge railroads used them. I believe > all standard gauge railroads use the closed frog. I believe the closed > frog came into use because of less maintenance. > > Chuck Smith wrote: > > > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > > > > The frog is the part where the rails cross each other. In most > > switches > > the frog is a non-moving single piece with 2 flangeways crossing each > > other. In BK switches, which our club uses extensively for scale and > > hirail, the "frog" is merely the other end of the points and moves > > with > > the points via a pivot point midway between the points and frog. > > Points > > are called points because they're pointy. Frogs dericed their name > > from > > the shape of the single piece fixed frog assembly. > > > > BTW, purists notwithstanding, just about everyone in our cluh calls > > the > > switches "switches" and not turnouts. Maybe it's 'cause some of us > > are > > long in the tooth and remember when even railroad men called them > > switches. My uncle the brakeman never set a "turnout" in his life. > > > > Michael Westphal wrote: > > > > > > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> > > > > > > 1) JSBMLB@... > > > When I used the word switches I was refering to "turnouts" > > > > > > 2) Stan Stokrocki, sscale@... > > > Essentially, a switch is the moveable portion of a turnout. You'd > > > install a turnout and then throw the switch. > > > > > > 3) lawrence jackman, ljack70117@... > > > You throw the switch but the part you move is the points. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > This is good info. So, which part is the "frog"? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Michael > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor > > ---------------------------- > > > > > > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! > > > Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in > > > > > forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free > > coupons! > > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/gator4 ">Click Here</a> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > > > -- > > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [ONElist Sponsor] > > Please click above to support our sponsor > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Save 50 percent at MotherNature.com. See site for details > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/MotherNature ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6764	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: small radius track

Since I picked up a second ERTLE set for $19 at a close out toy store along the freeways. I thought I might buy some 148 rail from S Scenery Unlimited and mount it on the ERTLE ties. Has anyone done this yet. That way you get a switch, RR crossing etc. That is why I asked if anyone has converted the ERTLE engine, now that I have two. If I could wire them for low voltage the two should have good pulling power. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6765	From: Neil Becker	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Cleaning Track Pins

A while ago I remember a discussion on cleaning track pins. I've tried looking in the archives but can't find it. Anybody care to bring it to light? TIA Neil <digest mode>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6766	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Bachmann On30 conversion

Richard Gajnak and a couple of other wrote about converting Bachmann On30 to S gauge. I have done a few conversions. I agree that the box, flat, and gon are the best candidates. The caboose and passenger car are too large. Those I will run with an Gilbert Casey Jones 4-4-0 which is also too large. The freight cars were easy to convert using ACE arch bar trucks and AM dummy couplers. It would be even easier if you are scale as I believe you could use the knuckle couplers that come with the car. I had to cut the molded coupler boxes away for the hi rail couplers. The passenger car was more difficult I had to rebuild the On30 trucks using modified ACE truck frames and SHS wheel sets. This was hard as the material the Bachmann side frames are made from does not solder or superglue well. I had to drill holes and bolt the parts together. I cut the old truck frames and inverted them from the inside of the car through the existing holes in the floor to screw the new screws into. They were glued in. I will work to reduce the height of the spacers to make the car a little shorter. The couplers on this car are ACE Flyer reproduction dummies mounted directly to the floor. The caboose was a complete rebuild from the floor down to make it into a N&W 4 wheel bobber. The resultant wheel frames are OK but very fragile. The biggest problem is the caboose is much too large. Since I am sitting home in a blizzard with nothing else to do today. I will take some pictures and try to get them on my home page today. You might want to check it out on Wednesday to see if I got that done. http:/www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html Going back to the trains now. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6767	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: BEST TRACK

Hi Mark, You will receive a variety of answers on these based on the type of modeler we each are. Mark's questions: Glenn's answers: The question I have is track based. I guess this will be a poll type question in any case. What is the best kind of track to purchase? Used American Flyer, Gargraves, American Models Code 148, S Helper Code 125 with Roadbed, Scale Code 100 flex or handlaid. It really depends on your type of layout, American Flyer, Hi-Rail or scale. I use Gargraves Code 172 flex track with American Flyer switches (turnouts). I have the old AF track with only the 4 metal ties per section. What is the best material for track? Nickel-Silver, Stainless Steel, Brass? This will depend on what's available from the manufacturer. They all conduct electricity. Who makes the best stuff? They are all good so it depends on your theme. We use American Models Code 148 on our club module. What about ties? I like realistic wood ties and realistic ballast. Is it better to lay your own track on ties or buy track that has the ties already? Laying your own track and ties will take a lot of time but will be worth the effort. Most flextrack looks good if ballasted. What is the best roadbed? Rubber under American Flyer, Cork under the rest (use 1/2 of "O" and 1/2 of "HO") this will deaden sound. Of Course S Helper comes on plastic roadbed. I think I'll leave my questions at that for now. I know for sure I'll have more later! Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn NASG Secretary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6768	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Newcomer

Mark, Check out S-Helper-Service's new S-Trax System. Some of the features are: code 125 nickel-silver rail(equals 155# rail used on the prototype PRR), individual Celcon ties with molded wood grain, realistic "T" section rail, PRR mainline roadbed and tie spacing. ABS decorated ballasted roadbed and multiple radius curved track with AF cojmpatible 5" centers. Check out there webb site and order there new 2000 catalog. Their products are outstanding. Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6769	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

517 Soo Line ps2cd covered hopper. (9-64) Car is painted light gray. Walthers kit. 518 Soo Line ps2cd covered hopper. (8-78) Car is painted off white. Walthers kit. 519 CNW ACF 2980 cuft. (5-76) Car is painted gray. Intermountain kit. Set will letter 2 cars. 529 UP wings. (2000) 3 color red, white & blue. These are to be used on the new SD70M's when they arrive in April. Also can be used on AC4400's and other loco's when they get repainted. Set will letter 10 loco's. UP shield use with permission from the UP RR. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6770	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Correction]

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Correction Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:10:36 -0600 From: Tom Stolte <oddballdecal@...> Organization: Oddballs Decals - http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ To: MICROSCALE@... CC: "John E. Bromley" <John_E._Bromley@...> References: <7b.d97e3f.25bf46f0@...> Craig, Sorry, I did not realize that it was your artwork. You should tell Mr. Bromley to post this on the UP web site. If you want me to I'll take it off the market right now. If the logo does change, it will be a collecters item. I got permission from Mr. Bromley back on February 4th, 1999, to use there UP shield or any others for my line of decals. I have a copy of their "Identifier Guidelines" the do's and don'ts. MICROSCALE@... wrote: > > > So, should I give you a hard time for appropriating our artwork? We supplied > a winged shield logo to the UP last October, and that may be what you are > finding on their website. Stealing artwork from us... you big decal > companies have no shame! (Please note tongue planted firmly in cheek...) > Keep in mind, though, that the logo may change a bit from that shown on the > website... > > Craig -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6771	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Track

Mark--- The following is my "canned reply" to anyone who inquires of us about S track options. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... In a message dated 1/25/00 4:47:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << The question I have is track based. I guess this will be a poll type question in any case. What is the best kind of track to purchase? I have the old AF track with only the 4 metal ties per section. What is the best material for track? Nickel-Silver, Stainless Steel, Brass? Who makes the best stuff? What about ties? Is it better to lay your own track on ties or buy track that has the ties already? What is the best roadbed? I think I'll leave my questions at that for now. I know for sure I'll have more later! >> S-gauge Track Options: (1) Original AF track.........It's the cheapest, but it gets dirty very quickly, and doesn't conduct electricity too well. Needs constant cleaning. Used turnouts, both electric and manual are usually readily available. (2) Gargraves track........Available in 3' flexible sections, or in shorter rigid sections. Available with several different radii curves also. Stays cleaner, and conducts electricity very well. Flextrack is the least expensive; $4.25 per 3' section, or $40 / ten pieces. (Remember that in curving it, you are going to lose some length, as you have to cut off the excess inside rail.) Gargraves also makes turnouts (switches), both manual and powered. Garg. track looks like AF track, except that it has multiple, evenly-spaced ties (wooden). It will also mate easily with AF track or switches. (3) American Models track: This is a lower-profile track, solid brass rail. Like Gargraves, it is available as 3' flextrack, or shorter rigid sectional track, with different radii curve. Mounted on plastic ties. Would remind you of typical HO track in appearance.) Cost is approximately 1-1/2 to 2 X cost of Gargraves. (4) S-Helper Service S-Trax system: Brand new. Currently the best S track available, but also the most expensive. Sectional track system. Different radii curves are available (19", 24", and 29"). Low-profile rails, already mounted on simulated ties in molded roadbed. This is the only track available that already includes beveled "roadbed". With everything else, you either ignore roadbed, or have to buy/make that in addition to the track. When you consider that added expense, the additional cost of S-Trax is really not that much greater. In addition, every section has built in power connections underneath. Powered turnouts will be available by summer. Costs vary with desired items, but as an example--- a "Starter Set" which includes an oval with four 10" straight sections is $69.95. Additional straights and curves available, in boxes of 6 pieces each. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6772	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Bachmann On30 conversion

I have just finished adding some pages on the On30 conversions I did if anyone would like to take a look. http:/www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html click on the appropriate button. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6773	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Email

NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: For anyone who bookmarks Port Lines e-mail address or website, please note our NEW e-mail---- Our AOL address will cease to exist within a few weeks. ALSO----a simplified route to our website ! Thanks. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobbies portlines@... http://www.portlines.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6774	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Correct URL for Bachmann On30 Conversion

Chuck Smith told me he could not get to my web page with the URL address I gave. I think I left off one back slash. This should work. http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html Let me know if that does not work. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6775	From: johnford	Date: 1/25/2000
Subject: Re: Newcomer

Mark A. Oleksinski wrote: > > From: "Mark A. Oleksinski" <chance6@...> > > Greetings S-Gaugers! > > Although I am new to this list, I am not exactly new to the hobby. I have definately been out of it for a while (that teenage through college thing). I have actually been on this list for probably over a year (maybe more) and quietly observed and absorbed information. I thank you for that! I am inexperienced at American Flyer/S Gauge equipment and am trying to get "into it" with my wife's blessing. My father had a set, handed it down to my brother and I, and now want to be able to hand the > > The question I have is track based. I guess this will be a poll type question in any case. What is the best kind of track to purchase? I have the old AF track with only the 4 metal ties per section. What is the best material for track? Nickel-Silver, Stainless Steel, Brass? Who makes the best stuff? What about ties? Is it better to lay your own track on ties or buy track that has the ties already? What is the best roadbed? I think I'll leave my questions at that for now. I know for su > > Thanks Again! > > Mark A. Oleksinski > chance6@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/productopiacpc2 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm Hi Mark, I've been the hobby too many years to count. I started with Flyer when I was a boy and had used Flyer track with a small amount of Gargraves thrown in. It worked OK. I pulled out of storage my accumulation of flyer a couple of years ago to find the track too much of a bother to mess with. It had a lot of rust spots and was bent here and there. Haveing access to different rust removal technics such as dipping the track in phosphoric acid wich is great for getting rust off; I also realizzed that I woundn't be able to clean out the hollow spaces in the rails sufciently to keep them for rusting out from the inside in the long run. Not to mention that A.C.Gilbert originally tin plated the rails to keep them from rusting. Dipping them would have taken what was left off. In conclusion, I've had wonderfull experience with the new S Helper Service track system. It uses Nickel Silver rail which about the best material I've found especially for flyer trains. I haven't had to clean the wheels or rails nearly as often and the smaller 19" radius curves and 10" straights are the same dimentions as the traditional Flyer track. "S"incerely, John Oglesby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6776	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Wayne's Bachmann On30 Conversion

Hey, Wayne, Your Bachmann conversions look real good. As noted, the coach and caboose are too large, but I agree, they fit right in with the Casey Jones. They should likewise fit well with the Franklin. I recently put Kadee 805's on my Bachmann's, although I'm keeping them On30, and yes, the coaches and caboose required more work. I can only imagine what a pain in the butt modifying the caboose and coach to HiRail were. Keep up the good work. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6777	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Web site problems

Seems like some people are having trouble accessing my web page. I don't know why. Maybe its cause some of the people have a child block on there browser. Don't know for sure. I do sell a catalog for $5.00. You only buy it once, then every 2 months or so you send me a LSSAE for updates All my web pages are located on Tripod.com. Just got the new domain name last week. The service I have forwards the url on tripod to my new url. I hope this makes since, as all the internet stuff is still over my head. Thanks for understanding. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6778	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Conducta-Lube

Does anyone know where I can purchase the Aero-Locomotive Lube set online, need it for my new S-Helper SW-9 and Don told me he is out of stock. Can't find it anywhere locally. Or is there an equivalent lube to Conducta-Lube. Thanks for any help, Tom.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6779	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: S-trax

Just read the posting from Doug Peck about the tracks and am wondering are all the tracks he desribed compatible for both High rail and scale. I collect more than I run due to the small area I have to work with. I read about the different curve radii in the S-trax and am thinking maybe I can get a little more track on my board if I can run my hi-rail on it. I am a devoted fan of high rail so my interest lie in that direction. Many thanks to Mr. Yorke for having a place to talk about S-gauge one of the bright spots in the day is to read the postings here. Wayne Grinnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6780	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube

Aero-Car Technology, Inc., is at PO Box 336, Western Springs, IL 60558-0336. Phone 708-246-9027. I bought their Train-Pak, stock ACT-4004, at the 1998 NMRA convention here. The pack includes ACT-2002 Motor Bearing Lubricant, Conducta-Lube & Cleaner No. ACT-3003, and Gear Lubricant, ACT-1111, with the appropriate nozzles for the bottles. Have not had a chance to try out any of the items yet.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6781	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube

> Aero-Car Technology, Inc., is at PO Box 336, Western Springs, IL > 60558-0336. Phone 708-246-9027. Try the following: http://www.tttrains.com/aerocar/ This link was on the NMRA manufacturers' page. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6782	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: New survey for S-Trains

Hello, There is a new survey for the S-Trains community: ------------------------------------------------------------ On your s-scale/s-gauge layout what kind of track do you use? (if you use more then one, choose the one that you use the most.) o American Flyer (4 ties per section) o Gargraves (code 172) Flex o American Models o S-Helper code 125 with roadbed o Code 100 hand laid o Code 100 Flex o Other ------------------------------------------------------------ To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.onelist.com/surveys/S-Trains Note: Please do not reply to this message. Survey votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the ONElist website. Thanks! Moderator, S-Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6783	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Flo-Quil

I recently purchased some new Flo-Quil paints to replace my dwindling inventory. When ordering, I also obtained a can of their Air Brush Thinner. My questions stem from this purchase: The Air Brush Thinner is not Dio-Sol. Can Dio-Sol still be used with the newer paints? Can the newer Flo-Quil be mixed succesfully with the older Flo- Quil? It seems to me that I heard a few years ago that Flo-Quil was changing their formula to comply with EPA regulations, or something to that effect. I guess my question is, are the newer and older paints the same and are they interchangable? I did notice the new Air Brush Thinner still causes brain damage! Thanks for your input. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6784	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: [Fwd: New survey for S-Trains]

> > o American Flyer (4 ties per section) > o Gargraves (code 172) Flex

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6785	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: [Fwd: New survey for S-Trains]

For the record, code 172 rail is 0.172 inches tall. Flyer is code 220 using the same measure and Gargraves is even bigger. Code 172 is what O gaugers used to use before downsizing to code 148. The first S homelaid track used a lot of code 172 because it was commonly available from O gauge suppliers. The trouble with being older than dirt is this irresistable tendency to become a historian. Roger Hinds wrote: > > From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> > > > > > o American Flyer (4 ties per section) > > o Gargraves (code 172) Flex > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6786	From: Don Thompson	Date: 1/26/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube

Dear Tom, The Conducta Lube is now in stock. Our order was lost by the post office and we ordered more. Don Thompson Tom Young wrote: > From: Tom Young <T-Young@...> > > Does anyone know where I can purchase the Aero-Locomotive Lube set > online, need it for my new S-Helper SW-9 and Don told me he is out of > stock. Can't find it anywhere locally. Or is there an equivalent lube to > Conducta-Lube. > Thanks for any help, Tom..... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Save 50 percent at MotherNature.com. See site for details > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/MotherNature ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6787	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: track and cleaning pins

I use AF and K-line (36" sections) track and AF switches. I found it helps to have clean rails and pins. To clean pins - - remove them all. Masking tape 8-10 pins together about 1/8th inch apart half-way up each pin (they resemble a section of fence). Put the taped half into a vise so the exposed ends point up out of the vise. Wire brush them shiny (I use one in my electric drill). Flip the assemble over. Close the vise. Tear off the masking tape. Brush clean the second half of each pin. Release the vise, catching the pins in your hands below. I use two small sections of Masonite to protect the pins from the metal jaws of the vise. Set pins and bend them about 1/16th of an inch outward before reassembling the track. That helps ensure contact inside the adjoining section of track. Observe and be sure a fair amount (~3/8 inch) of pin goes in both rails on both sides. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6788	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy

LTI or original AF. Here's what I'm factoring into this decision so far. What's your recommendation and/or experience? Original - - PRO: has the old style open motors, with both trucks on the first A-unit powered, no known cornering or coupler-shorting problems, has the nostalgic thing going for it (plus the high price which is a bit daunting to an operator not collector such as myself). CON: has power truck chassis without bushings. LTI - - PRO: less expensive by a factor of 2 to 3X, has power truck chassis with bushings, cars may roll easier than older style, passenger cars may be lighter and easier to pull (true?). CON: not sure both trucks are powered on first A-unit, can motor(s) versus open style, reported cornering problems and coupler shorting problems with passenger cars. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6789	From: finerty, paul	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: AF diesel horn

Can anyone help on this one? I have a 360/364 diesel horn generator which doesn't work at all. I can replace the canister, but for right now I'd just like to electronically simulate the signal that the canister puts out so I can hear what the horn sounds like. Does anyone know what the signal from the canister should look like? Also, is there a place to get new or repro canisters/generators? Thanks in advance.... Paul Finerty pauljam@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6790	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: track and cleaning pins

anyone ever try and put the pins into a rock tumbler and let that do the work? David_Horn@... wrote: > > From: David_Horn@... > > I use AF and K-line (36" sections) track and AF switches. I found it helps > to have clean rails and pins. > > To clean pins - - remove them all. Masking tape 8-10 pins together about > 1/8th inch apart half-way up each pin (they resemble a section of fence). > Put the taped half into a vise so the exposed ends point up out of the vise. > Wire brush them shiny (I use one in my electric drill). Flip the assemble > over. Close the vise. Tear off the masking tape. Brush clean the second > half of each pin. Release the vise, catching the pins in your hands below. > I use two small sections of Masonite to protect the pins from the metal jaws > of the vise. Set pins and bend them about 1/16th of an inch outward before > reassembling the track. That helps ensure contact inside the adjoining > section of track. Observe and be sure a fair amount (~3/8 inch) of pin goes > in both rails on both sides. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 > percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, > Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and > get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative3SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6791	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Conducta-Lube

Thanks for the replys, I see by Don Thompson's post, it's back in stock. Tom Does anyone know where I can purchase the Aero-Locomotive Lube set online, need it for my new S-Helper SW-9 and Don told me he is out of stock. Can't find it anywhere locally. Or is there an equivalent lube to Conducta-Lube.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6792	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: cleaning track pins

I think that yanking the pins out of Flyer track to clean them is not a good idea. Those pins were attached to the track by indentations made in the outside of the rail at high pressure. The rail's metal was actually driven into each pin. There has got to be some metal to metal contact in there that is completely unexposed to the air, preventing oxidation completely & offering good conductivity at those points.. This cannot be recreated with hand tools. The closest you can come is to nip the rails near the ends with diagonal cutters to hold the pins in. This type of joint will oxidize fairly quickly inside and out. Therefore, I would recommend that only the part of the pin that sticks out of the rail be cleaned, without removing the pin. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6793	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: SHS 2000 Catalog

An open letter to Robin and Don Thompson: I just received my SHS 2000 catalog yesterday. All I can say is WOW ! In fact, WAAAAAHOOOOOH !!! These have got to be the most beautiful toy trains ever made. The skill, dedication, hard work, and above all, the love of toy trains which informs your work is simply amazing. Am I still on planet earth? Is that really S gauge? Somebody pinch me ! Let me go and empty out my penny jar RIGHT NOW ! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6794	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy

I actually bought both, well sort of... I prefer the orginal AF Alcos (but don't get them if you are not handy working on the motors and reverse units), and I bought a several of the extra coaches and dinning cars for the LTI stuff. The only thing is, the couplers on the coaches are crap and if you coupler 2 coaches together and go around a standard AF curve, they derail. I am replacing the couplers on mine with the ones that come on the ACE trucks in order to use them. I can't really dislike the couplers on the LTI stuff, though I have a fair amount of it. I hear the can motors run real good in the LTI Alcos, but what happens when they fail if you can't get them? I doubt that the can motor are repairable, but the original AF Alco motors can be repaired if your handy, even down to rewinding the motors, etc...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6795	From: Bill Clark	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: SHS 2000 Catalog

Right on, Tom! I need to build a bigger layout so that I can continue to buy all the new SHS stuff. Robin, Don and Mike do an absolutely wonderful job bringing these beautiful models to us. I can't wait for the new F3s. And the catalog has been better every year. I now treasure and re-read it just for the pleasure it (the catalog) gives! Thanks Robin, Don, and Mike! Bill Clark At 12:14 PM 1/27/00 -0500, Jarcho wrote: >From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > >An open letter to Robin and Don Thompson: > >I just received my SHS 2000 catalog yesterday. All I can say is WOW ! In >fact, WAAAAAHOOOOOH !!! >These have got to be the most beautiful toy trains ever made. The skill, >dedication, hard work, and above all, the love of toy trains which informs >your work is simply amazing. Am I still on planet earth? Is that really S >gauge? Somebody pinch me ! > >Let me go and empty out my penny jar RIGHT NOW ! > >Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6796	From: Walt Gay	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Tank car

Hi, I'm looking for an S-scale tank car kit(Not tinplate). Anyone know if there is such an animal? Thanks. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6797	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy

My 1st choice would be AM if they make it. (silky smooth and great sound) However, assuming you want ACG or Lionel flyer, pick the Lionel. I have one. The A unit will pull thw wallpaper off the walls and mine hauls an 11 foot train with no problem whatsoever. You can get railsounds with the Lionel which I have and is nice. Nostalgia is only for the pure collector. I'm a hirail modeler and operator. After debugging the couplers so they don't drag and short on switches, and correcting one out of gauge passenger car wheel set, I have a reliable and very well performing set with sound. David_Horn@... wrote: > > From: David_Horn@... > > LTI or original AF. Here's what I'm factoring into this decision so far. > What's your recommendation and/or experience? > > Original - - PRO: has the old style open motors, with both trucks on the > first A-unit powered, no known cornering or coupler-shorting problems, has > the nostalgic thing going for it (plus the high price which is a bit > daunting to an operator not collector such as myself). CON: has power > truck chassis without bushings. > > LTI - - PRO: less expensive by a factor of 2 to 3X, has power truck chassis > with bushings, cars may roll easier than older style, passenger cars may be > lighter and easier to pull (true?). CON: not sure both trucks are powered > on first A-unit, can motor(s) versus open style, reported cornering problems > and coupler shorting problems with passenger cars. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6798	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: tank car

frank titman (lehigh valley models) has at least a vinegar tank car kit not sure if other type of tanks available do not think he has web presence, any help?? regard'S' Clay who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men??? Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks and Twains Box 109 734 Prospect Street Tatamy, Pa. 18085 NASG, NMRA, TCA, TTOS cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6799	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Track

In a message dated 1/27/00 4:37:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Just read the posting from Doug Peck about the tracks and am wondering are all the tracks he desribed compatible for both High rail and scale. >> No. My "canned reply" is to inquiries about highrail track. Since this is the S-Trains List....not the S-Scale List..... I felt it was appropriate. Scale will not be accomodated by Gilbert track, or Gargraves track. (Nor by K-Line S track, which I don't bother to mention because I don't like it.) I must say I HAVE heard one or two people mention that they have run Scale OK on Gargraves.....but I remain skeptical. AM and SHS track will accomodate both highrail and scale operation. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6800	From: William H Trefts	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Layout Design Software??

Folks, Several issues back there was a discussion of a layout design software suitable for S gauge. I've hunted in the archives for the name of the program and website. I think it ran about $86. I know I've been there, but now I can't find it and apparently I'm not using the right keyword in the archive search or not holding my tongue right. I am currently working on my wife's N gauge layout, and I'm considering some software to ease the designing. (N gauge keeps her happy so my S persuits can continue.) Atlas has an N program, but not S. Anyone remember, or able to locate that site for me. Your assistance, as always, is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6801	From: Walt Gay	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Tank cars

Hi, I don't know what it is about S-scale but I found some tank cars, which seem to be hard to find, but they are being closed out! Des Plaines Hobby is selling them for $18.00, but they only have ATSF. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6802	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars

They are the old S Scale America kits. I have put one together. Take it from me buy them assembled. Ron Sebastian had some of the more difficult pieces retooled and the new car is great. John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6803	From: Lamont Cranston	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: blue coal hoppers from AM

just rec'd our hoppers for (personal use) meaning this is in no way an attempt to generate business for my shop the graphics are awesome and they run in the normal american models fashion 10 cars, 5 different numbers!!!!!!!! has anybody else seen these????? being a huge fan of old radio programs esp.the shadow these cars are a welcome addition to our layout "blue coal" was a sponsor of the Shadow radio program "PURE PENNSYLVANIA ANTHRACITE" or so they claimed regard'S' Clay who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men??? Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 109 734 Prospect Street Tatamy, Pa. 18085 NASG, NMRA, TCA, TTOS cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6804	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: Tank Cars

Modern tank cars are available from Downs (kit or RTR) and American Models (RTR). Older tank cars are available from Des Plaines/S Scale America (RTR) and Lehigh Valley Models (craftsman kit). Des Plaines received a new shipment of assembled cars a few months back. The closeouts are from old stock. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6805	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: track and cleaning pins

I have usually worked the other way, If the pin is in the track firmly I don't pull it out. I add bends or cut small barbs in it with a wire cutter to make it fit firmer into the other track. I have about 300 pieces of AF track with AF rubber roadbed and about 20 AF switches on my layout and have almost no trouble. I use a minimum of AF connectors clipped to the track using heavy wire back to the transformer. Any problems are usually the pin breaking or being pushed completely inside the track or my not getting them inserted at all. The main thing is to look over every piece of track as you add it to the layout and test the pins and check for rust on the rails. I use scotchbrite or light sandpaper if its really bad. Also save the pins out of any bent or small scrap pieces of track for replacements. eric reis kenmore, wa ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis Glumac <lglumac@...> To: <David_Horn@...> Cc: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] track and cleaning pins > From: Louis Glumac <lglumac@...> > > anyone ever try and put the pins into a rock tumbler and let that do the > work? > > David_Horn@... wrote: > > > > From: David_Horn@... > > > > I use AF and K-line (36" sections) track and AF switches. I found it helps > > to have clean rails and pins. > > > > To clean pins - - remove them all. Masking tape 8-10 pins together about > > 1/8th inch apart half-way up each pin (they resemble a section of fence). > > Put the taped half into a vise so the exposed ends point up out of the vise. > > Wire brush them shiny (I use one in my electric drill). Flip the assemble > > over. Close the vise. Tear off the masking tape. Brush clean the second > > half of each pin. Release the vise, catching the pins in your hands below. > > I use two small sections of Masonite to protect the pins from the metal jaws > > of the vise. Set pins and bend them about 1/16th of an inch outward before > > reassembling the track. That helps ensure contact inside the adjoining > > section of track. Observe and be sure a fair amount (~3/8 inch) of pin goes > > in both rails on both sides. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 > > percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, > > Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and > > get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative3SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6806	From: Ron Brady	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: track

I am going sell my AF track and buy something a little better looking. There is about 64 straight, 48 curve, and 10 r/c switches. Is Ebay the best place for this or are there better places? Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6807	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track pins

I agree with Tom about removing AF track pins, unlike the round tubular track and pins made by "the other guys," AF pins seldom get loose in their fixed rails. I have pulled pins out of rusty rail and the part in the rail is still clean. I disagree with Tom's statement that hand tools cannot duplicate the factory "pinning." When I rework rail I insert the pins with the intents to be on the outside lower part of the railhead. I then place the raihead on my vice with the inside top edge of the railhead against the vice. Then I take my trusty "automatic" center punch and place it where the indent should go, or still is, push down on the punch and it does the job of repinning. You do have to be careful doing this, I once broke the tip off my punch--still don't know how, as there should be no side pressure, or anything else to cause it to happen. The Automatic center punch is available from many tool supply stores or catalogs, and it's actually the basis for the popular Brakeman's riveting tool. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6808	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/27/2000
Subject: Can motor headaches: WAS: Which NP set to buy/aspire to buy

Chuck's comment on the can motor irrepairability is very valid. Try to get the can motor used on the early AF/LTI issue of the SP Geep. The new one is the same shape, but the brush connections and screw mounts are 90 degrees off, and it won't fit the chassis! This is the same motor used in the oil drum loader too, although there it may be roomy enough to make it fit. If anyone knows how to make the new motor fit the old chassis, let me know! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6809	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: diesel horn

Try opening the generator tube and cleaning the the pair of contacts inside. Mine didn't make a peep, but cleaning those contacts made it fine. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6810	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: cleaning pins

I can understand reservation about removing pins. However. most of mine were dirty (tarnished, grimey, etc) on both ends. I reinserted them with the indents matching the peen marks. That usually produced a snug enough (i.e. it held while the other end inserted into the next rail) fit again. All is well with no longer any "slow" zones. I'll let you know if that changes. PS I also noticed pins in about three different lengths - - long, medium, and rather short. I cleaned more track than I was going to use. Then I reinstalled the pins using the long and medium length pins first, so I ended up with short ones left over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6811	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning pins

To ensure good electrical connections at some points on my layout I simply solder the original Gilbert AF rails together. Yes, it may not be a purist thing to do, but it makes for a very low resistance joint. It's easy to clean off too once the tracks are removed from service. Just heat 'em again and wipe away any solder residue. A thin film of "tinning" remains. I've even used solder to bridge some railhead gaps where the track sections butt together. The solder can be easily filed or sanded smooth. Works great. Also, I run separate feeders to remote sections, using #12 copper house wire. Occasionally I even double up on that. It work nicely to reduce voltage drops. BTW: I'm in need of some straight sections of AF track. Anybody on the list have any for sale/trade? Thanks. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: David_Horn@... [mailto:David_Horn@...] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 9:08 AM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning pins From: David_Horn@... I can understand reservation about removing pins. However. most of mine were dirty (tarnished, grimey, etc) on both ends. I reinserted them with the indents matching the peen marks. That usually produced a snug enough (i.e. it held while the other end inserted into the next rail) fit again. All is well with no longer any "slow" zones. I'll let you know if that changes. PS I also noticed pins in about three different lengths - - long, medium, and rather short. I cleaned more track than I was going to use. Then I reinstalled the pins using the long and medium length pins first, so I ended up with short ones left over. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Save 50 percent at MotherNature.com. See site for details <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/MotherNature ">Click Here</a> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6812	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars

> From: RRDART@... > > They are the old S Scale America kits. I have put one together. Take it > from me buy them assembled. Ron Sebastian had some of the more difficult > pieces retooled and the new car is great. > > John Craft John: I had a half a dozen guys rib me this morning and paraphrase your "Take it from me" note that I already did. Hoppers are doing fine though - thanks. Ron >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6813	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: RR Design Software - 3D

Bill Trefts wrote: "Several issues back there was a discussion of a layout design software suitable for S gauge." It turns out that Model railroader has a review of three 3-dimensional software in the January 2000 issue. The three software packages are: Cadrail (from Sandia Software - at www.cadrail.com ); 3rd Planit (from Eldorado Software at www.eldoradosoft.com ); and 3D Railraod Concept and Design (from Abracadata at www.abracadata.com ). This info may help, although it doesn't give you the specific information you asked for. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6814	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track pins

In a message dated 1/28/00 2:51:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Therefore, I would recommend that only the part of the pin that sticks out of the rail be cleaned, without removing the pin. Tom Jarcho >> I agree whole heartedly with Tom. You are just asking for trouble by removing pins. They will NEVER go back in as firmly as the original factory crimp holds them. Just clean the exposed parts. I use a Dremel wire wheel....Works great.... Steve Blackburn RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6815	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: (unknown)

If you are looking for replacement can motors for LTI stuff, try a junk store. By this I mean an electronic junk store that has used circuit boards, leftovers, parts, and closeouts from various electronic manufacturing processes. I have seen usable can motors on sale for 99 cents. Unfortunately, I was too stupid to buy any. Brush assemblies of can motors are very easily damaged by soldering heat. Either use crimp connectors or a heat sink. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6816	From: Dennis Back	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: track pins ANOTHER question

I don't know if this has ever been covered, but I've often wondered..... How do you clean the HOLE that the track pin goes into on the OTHER (joining) piece of track? You might be cleaning the pins for nothing! Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6817	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: track pins ANOTHER question

Dennis has a very good point. Fortunately, the rectangluar flyer pin usually has a fairly sharp edge, and if the pins are bent outward slightly, they will "scratch" a sound conection in the rail "hole" as they are assembled. It's not perfect, but it is a heck of a lot better than what you get with a round pin in round hollow track! "Our" track stays much better at the joints than "their" track. I am always amazed at how flimsy the "other" track is! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6818	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 511

In a message dated 1/28/00 4:51:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I can replace the canister, but for right now I'd just like to electronically simulate the signal that the canister puts out so I can hear what the horn sounds like. Does anyone know what the signal from the canister should look like? Also, is there a place to get new or repro canisters/generators? >> There are no NEW or REPRO canisters for the generators. We DO sell repaired (and guaranteed) canisters, or we will repair/exchange your cansiter. 90% of the time, we can open and repair yours. Buying a cansiter at a show is a long-shot. MOST of the time, the do NOT work. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6819	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars

Very funny. I am going to write a letter to the editor of the S. Gauge Herald if you keep it up!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6820	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6821	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 511

Don't be afraid to cut into the can. I ahave repaired one in a cardboard tube by cutting agound the tube at the base and then regluing after repair. It should put out 15v at a frequency of around 400Hz. The idea of the 400Hz is that the motor won't respond to it but the speaker will. There is a small amount of interaction between track voltage and the 15V but it shouldn't be too much. You need to clean and adjust the contacts until it vibrates (hopefully at around 400Hz) when you apply voltage. Tweaking the contact tension is trial and error. Barker recommends not using the resistor with the speaker on the locomotive. PortLines@... wrote: > > From: PortLines@... > > In a message dated 1/28/00 4:51:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, > S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > > << I can replace the canister, but for right now I'd just > like to electronically simulate the signal that the canister puts out so I > can hear what the horn sounds like. Does anyone know what the signal from > the canister should look like? Also, is there a place to get new or repro > canisters/generators? >> > > There are no NEW or REPRO canisters for the generators. > We DO sell repaired (and guaranteed) canisters, or we will repair/exchange > your cansiter. 90% of the time, we can open and repair yours. > Buying a cansiter at a show is a long-shot. MOST of the time, the do NOT work. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6822	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars

If you can FIND that SOB, he owes me $25.00. Let me know.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6823	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: arcing/horns

Almost all Flyer horn controllers have contacts that need to be cleaned. This leads to a larger question. Probably the reason for this problem is the arcing that occurs at contacts when using AC. Perhaps there is also excessive arcing at the brushes of loco motors which for example may cause the rapid brush wear sometimes seen in steamers. (Strangely, Lionel motor brushes last a lot longer than Flyer ones. Always wondered about the reason for that.) Anyway, I'm interested in finding ways of reducing this arcing. Late last year I was fooling around with using a 4 pole relay to cut off power to switch motors after the switch is thrown. The relay was triggered by a roller switch in the switch a la Tom Barker. There was great arcing at the relay contacts because of the large power draw of the switch motors. I found that capacitors across the contacts, especially non-polarized capacitors, eliminated this arcing.However, they let a steady 1 to 4 v current flow across at all times, not enough to harm the switch coils I think but still, more than desirable. The next thing I was going to try was to add resistors and see if they helped. Then the xmas rush intervened and I temporarily shelved the project. So, I really wonder if adding capacitors and possibly resistors to motors, horn controllers, relays, and other places that arcing occurs such as the contact in the 761 semaphore, would reduce it. But I'm shooting in the dark here -- for one thing I don't understand arcing very well yet and for another, I can't figure out how to use Ohm's law etc. to calculate the proper values for the capacitors and resistors. So if any of you electronics honchos or anyone else who has experimented along these lines wants to jump in with both feet and start ateachin', I'm ready to listen. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6824	From: Scott Holm	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: fixing whistle cannisters

> > Buying a cansiter at a show is a long-shot. MOST of the time, the do NOT work. At the Great Midwest Train Show, John Heck sells the ones that don't work for 5 dollars and the ones that do work for 15. I buy the $5 dollar ones because they are really easy to fix. Cut the tube off at the base and you can reglue it with epoxy after it's fixed. To fix the contacts insert a piece of 400 grit sandpaper between the contacts and clean them all off. Hook the wires up as they are supposed to be hooked up and then observe how it works. one contact is supposed to make contact when the button is not pressed. When the button is pressed the center vane should vibrate and partially break that contact and partially make contact on the other side and the top contacts. If it's not making proper contact, a gentle bending of the vane in the right direction can get it back to vibrating properly.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6825	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: fixing whistle cannisters

Scott has it right, except I prefer finer sandpaper. It is my belief that sharp spots on the contact surfaces promotes arcing, so I use 1000 grit wet/dry paper that I get from an automotive paint shop. (actually, it comes as fine as 2000, which, IMHO, would be even better. However, the horns sound so bad that I don't worry about the vibrators anymore, except to occasionally bug an electronic friend of mine to create a multi-frequency generator that would make a real two or three tone horn. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6826	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Notes from here.

Hi All, Well, I'm mostly back home finally. I don't know how many here were aware of it, but Linda's (my better half, or three-quarters) mother had a second stroke two weeks ago and passed away on the 18th. We've been busy taking care of the arrangements, and helping Linda's Dad around his house and finding something for him to do during the day. We hope we have done so, and he won't just stay home all week long. I've been home for a day and a half, and Linda just got here, so now it's time to get back into our routines. Fortunately, they only lived a little over an hour away, so we can keep an eye on Dad from here. I tend to avoid talking religion on the web, as I want to show respect for everyone's personal beliefs, but I have been asked a number of times how we are doing, so I will explain how it was/is for us. We were all there at the time of death, Linda, her dad, her brother, his wife, myself, and the local Methodist Pastor. Linda asked me to call him, as we had watched her mom hang on for over a day. When he came, we all stood around her, touching her hands, and he her head and we prayed for her. During the last sentence of the prayer, she passed. It was a very moving experience, and we believe her spirit lives on, helping others, as she liked to do in this life. It is still difficult for us left here, as we will miss her, but our lives go on, as does her spirit. We have received many comforting e-mails from our internet friends, and they are all appreciated, many thanks to you all. And now back to the trains. . . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6827	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: Re: Tank cars

I guess I have been called worse. I don't think this is the forum for name calling, but if you wish to talk to me you may call toll free during the day 800-264-1956 and if I owe, I pay. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies - S Scale America Bruce Pilcher wrote: > If you can FIND that SOB, he owes me $25.00. > Let me know.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6828	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 1/28/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

521 MKT ACF 60' auto parts car. (5-68) Painted MKT red. Atlas kit. Has the 3 color MKT herald. #series 8510-8511. Set will letter 1 car. Red, white & black graphics. 522 MP ACF 60' auto parts car. (12-68) Painted boxcar red. Atlas kit. has the large 5' MP herald. #series 265000-265199. Set will letter 1 car. White graphics. 523 MP (UP) ACF 60' auto parts car. (10-95) Painted boxcar red. Atlas kit. Has small UP 3 color herald. #series 265000-265199. Set will letter 2 cars. Red, white & blue graphics. 524 KCS 40' wood chip hopper car. (4-63) Painted Floquil #73 rust. Kitbash Stewart kit. Has 30" KCS herald. #series 500004-502995, a block of 300 cars. Set will letter 2 cars. White graphics. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6829	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald

Ron: The response was in reference to the editor of "S Gauge Herald" that attempted to publish the magazine for the 3rd time, collected everybody's money for subscriptions, ($25.00), published one issue and disappeared. The issue published was Oct./Nov. 1994, Vol. XXII No.1. In looking at the masthead, I don't see your name mentioned anywhere. The reference was not to you, but to the editor of the "Herald", as mentioned in the previous post. Have a nice day Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6830	From: Ron Sebastian	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald

Bruce: I and a couple on the list misunderstood. I probably deserved it anyway. I was ready to send you a check. S Gaugers seem to like to throw money at each other, or at least throw it. Ron Sebastian Bruce Pilcher wrote: > Ron: > The response was in reference to the editor of "S Gauge Herald" that > attempted to publish the magazine for the 3rd time, collected > everybody's money for subscriptions, ($25.00), published one issue and > disappeared. > The issue published was Oct./Nov. 1994, Vol. XXII No.1. > In looking at the masthead, I don't see your name mentioned anywhere. > The reference was not to you, but to the editor of the "Herald", as > mentioned in the previous post. > Have a nice day > Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6831	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Module construction

Ted Larson was nice enough to compile some ideas and comments on module construction. I have put them out on the web at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/modules.html. I also just fixed a broken link to http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/phantom/2dome.html I am way behind on my webpage duties, but got to go to a train show today. I must keep my priorities straight. Enjoy Thanks again Ted. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6832	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Horn generators - Cleaning; Coal Loader Paint

To get the horn buzzing again, all that is required is clean contacts. There are special abrasives for this which I used to clean the contacts of audio patch cords in a professional recording studio. (A film builds up on the plugs and "normaling" contacts. The surface feels more like rubber than sandpaper which can do damage. It is available from Audio Accessories in New Hampshire. I have used this with commutators and reverse unit drums as well. Most of the time the problem is solved without abrasives by using a shot of DeoxIT D5 spray from CAIG Laboratories. We used this on relays and such in the audio business. Substitutes don't work. The can may be cut with a dremel wheel. (Wear goggles.) A cardboard tube from paper towels or toilet paper is usually the correct size to "sleeve" the metal tube after it is put back together. There is an exact size speaker 1.75" that Doug Peck now stocks. I bought a dozen from an electronics supplier. You can even use one to make the entire assembly by using the cardboard tubes for a housing and the metal top from a Bacon Bits jar for the back. I even used enameled wire with sleeving to make it look like the original. The bracket is an Erector Set part as used by Gilbert. A 25 mF 50V electrolytic capacitor will produce the most volume with the least hum. The resistor servers no purpose other than to melt the cab. And while I'm on-line, I recall a question regarding repainting a "black" 785. This can be done with paints from the local home supply stores. Mine looked close enough to be a new paint variation. The trick is to disassemble and strip. Then prime (as Gilbert did not do). I think these are the colors: Rustoleum - Heritage # 7920 Taupe for body; Plaid - Folk Art # 12127 Barnyard Red for supports; Plaid - Folk Art #12147 Hunter Green for the base; Testors Red (I forget which number) for the roof which had so much aluminum paint it would not strip. Primer was gray for metal. (Again, test the colors. This is partly from memory and I went through three or four colors to get it to work next to my original.) Considering the difference in value between a "black" coal loader and one that is restored, some experimenting with paint is not a large expense. I tested several varieties on some scrap metal that was close to the color of the stripped coal loader.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6833	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Des Plaines Hobbies

I agree the list is not a place for name calling. I am not sure it is a place for testimonials, but I feel impelled to give one. I am a rather obsessive-compulsive annoying s.o.b., as any of the people who have dealt with me when a mail order item has gone awry can attest. Ron has always been very honest, fair and patient with me, which is not easy, as I have become infinitely more difficult after I passed 50. He always returns my calls, and has always given me good value for the money. Ron is one of the "good guys". Tom Gerbasi Message: 19 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:53:03 -0600 From: Ron Sebastian <dphobbies@...> Subject: Re: Tank cars I guess I have been called worse. I don't think this is the forum for name calling, but if you wish to talk to me you may call toll free during the day 800-264-1956 and if I owe, I pay. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines Hobbies - S Scale America Bruce Pilcher wrote: > If you can FIND that SOB, he owes me $25.00. > Let me know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6834	From: jarmstro@axtek.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Link Coupler Togetherness

This post is in the category of "never too late". If you are not concerned with uncoupling and rearranging your cars, you can try rubber bands about 3/4" in diameter. They can be found in office supply stores and drugstores where they keep the women's hair care stuff.<p> You grab the rubber band, stretch it, and slip it between the two cars. When the band touches the top of the couplers, just slide one end over the coupler pin on that side, and the same for the other side. The band is not very tight, but it does provide enough downward force to keep the couplers coupled, while not holding them so tight that the cars derail on turns. Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6835	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: NP set decision

I've decided to wait until I learn more from hopefully getting to see, hear, and/or operate each set somehow with local contacts/clubs, whatever. In the meantime, there are plenty of other equally or more expensive (unfortunately) items on my list. Thanks everybody for your notes, recommendations, and advice. If I were to buy a NP set today (and it does remain something I look forward to purchasing) I think I'd buy ACG. Specifically 2-A units, and at least 3 cars. I'd overhaul the power trucks with LTI open-motor trucks (have bushings), and buy the RailSounds B-unit unless the color schemes don't match real well (darker, lighter, flat, glossy). I still haven't heard Diesel Roar, so maybe I'd go ACG all the way with a B-unit containing that. A couple of years ago I overhauled a 470 with LTI power trucks (a 371 too), and have been very happy with the results (cool, strong, smooth, fast). But you know, once you add the 471 B-unit, the 473 dummy A, and 4-5 passenger cars, even that upgraded A-unit is working hard to pull that consist around. In fact, I'm half way done converting the 473 A-dummy to power (got the guts of a 360 and overhauling with LTI trucks, etc.) with the hopes of good compatibility with the 470 for real double-heading. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6836	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: NP set decision

Ah, David did bring up one thing I don't believe any of us mentioned: paint finish. ACG is a gloss finish, LTI is a satin finish. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6837	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald

Tom: Had you bothered to read the e-mail from Mr. Dart and picked up on his tongue-in-cheek referrence to the "S Gauge Herald", you might have been able to follow the "strand." As you apparently didn't, I assume you also missed my clarification earlier this morning. The "incident" with the "Herald" centered on someone attempting to revive a defunct publication. (Mr. Sebastian had NOTHING to do with this.) Subscriptions were taken, money collected, ($25.00) and one issue published. I am aware of numerous folks that were "stung" in that deal, including me. One guy I know even contacted the U.S. Postal Service to pursue "mail fraud". Nothing ever came of that as the Postal Service was unable to locate the gentleman in question. As I said "He, (NOT Ron Sebastian) owes me $25.00." I have found it interesting that on this particular list serve, one can voice an opinion and everyone comes unwrapped. However, almost all are in favor of tearing eBay apart, continually. On Veteran's Day, honoring that holiday was brought up and there was an instant reaction to the "political incorrectness" of mentioning it on the list serve. However, we have heard unending commentary about Christmas and Christmas layouts, displays, past gifts received, etc. Are we to assume that all s-gaugers are Christians? Think about it. Ron Sebastian and I have exchanged correspondences off the list and I believe the issue is settled between the two of us. Basically, a technologically inspired misunderstanding. But who knows, maybe we can start a new strand. Oh, by the way, could you use your wrap feature on future e-mails, please? Have a good day and keep smiling. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6838	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Re: Des Plaines Hobbies

In a message dated 1/29/00 11:16:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, kgerbasi@... writes: << Ron is one of the "good guys". >> Absolutely! Now if he'd said a**hole, I might have taken it personally smiles, John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6839	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Link Correction

Module comments and tips. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/modules.html Sorry about that bad link. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6840	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: new to S-gauge learning much need lots of help

Bought the K-line repair book. very valuable but greatly deficient.Need shematic diagrams some items and as example the book does not talk about hookups of wires for example on sam the semaphore. Book only has picture of two wores going under control and 4 comming out. had to figure it out myself. My question is can you out there recommend the best books or sources for AF genneral and technical info. Also need info regarding collecting AF. When is it OK to repaint something. How bad does it need to be. Don't want to commit any American Flyer sins. Example I have some 960,961, 962, 963 cars. Some chrome flaking. Is there anything I can do to enhance condition. I,m not a collector. Just love operating, taking apart, repairing, etc. Thanks great website have learned more from you all than from any other place. God Bless

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6841	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Joining a onelist

FYI, if you want to tell a friend how to subscribe to a onelist list... All they need to do is send a note to s-trains-subscribe@onelist.com and they will be subscribed to S-Trains. or Send a note to s-scale-subscribe@onelist.com and they will be subscribed to S-Scale. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6842	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Pins

Hi Guys's; Cleaning track pins is easy. What I would like to know is about cleaning the holes the pins go in. Any way I bend a curve in my pins. this makes for a tight fit in the holes and a better contact. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6843	From: bgaylord@mnic.net	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Rewind

Dear Fellow S-Gaugers; This might be a appropiate post but here it is. It is very seldom these days to find good people that do things for the love of it and not totally into it for the money. Nor is it easy to find good work that has pride. Recently I had a post that was answered on this list about rewinding some of my steamer fields and armatures. I was referred to a Bob Hannon. He can be found at hannon@... . I felt this could be some info others might be looking for. This man is of the highest character and does very good work. Thats tough to find. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6844	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: Track problems?

There has been a lot of discussion about track joints lately. If you want to get rid of rust with almost no effort and completely get rid of electrical arching from wheels to track. (at the track joints) Contact me. I own a Toy museun. My main exhibit is a large American Flyer layout. 33' x 16' . I run my trains at a crawl through switches with no problems. During my night scene no one can see sparks under my wheels. I shut down the museum in Sept. and reopen in June. I don't clean the track or trains. They just plain run after sitting all winter in temps well below 0 degrees. I haven't cleaned the track since 1981 (When I opened) OK -- A minor spot here and there a couple of times. I sell one product to get rid of rust and polish the track. I sell another product to get rid of the Arching at the joints. And it keeps your wheels clean. Check the museum web site HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa/ Leave a comment if you wish. Or just read the others. Roger CEO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6845	From: Jarcho	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: when to repaint

gunrjoe: we had a long thread about when it's ok to repaint trains on or about sept 7 '99. It should be in the archives. If you don't know how to get into the archives, e-mail Paul Yorke, moderator of this list, at Yorke@.... There was some blood on the floor by the end but some good things got said too. I know of no good way to improve flaking chrome cars. Otherwise, just post questions on s-list as they come up. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6846	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/29/2000
Subject: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald

Hi Guys Maybe you could sell your first edition rare copies of S Gauge Herald on E-Bay and get your $25 (or more) back!!!! Sorry a little salt in two wounds at once Mike S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6847	From: RKuep44202@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: AF Switches

What is the best way to clean dirty electric switches without damaging the wiring or rusting the rails? Thanks for your help. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6848	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, January 30, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6849	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: CTT article

In the March 2000 issue of Classic Toy Trains there is a great article about a collector operator, Dennis Bagby out in California. Pick it up if you get a chance. This guy's story is like a dream come true. Anybody know him? -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6850	From: Tom Young	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Great old railroad photos

Great photo's and prints of old and new collectible postcards of trains, stations and very nice scenic areas along the rails of railroads all over the US and Canada. You just have to browse through and pick the train pics out from the rest, (Planes, Trains and Automobiles) on this E-Bay auction site. Collectibles:Paper:Postcards:Transportation I don't collect postcards, I came across this accidentally and thought these photos were great, like this one for example, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=249572798, I can almost hear the whistle blowing. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6851	From: Allen Evans	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Type of Board For A Layout

I need some ideas about the kind of board that can be used for the base of a layout. This is what I have considered so far- 1. Homasote - is very popular, what other alternatives are there? 2. Temple Fiber Brace- is that OK? It is a black structural bracing material that is fibrous, light, black in color, and usually used along the outer perimeter of homes as a moisture barrier, insulator and brace. It tends to stains hands and is sealed with a what Temple considers to be a very safe asphalt mixture. 3. Styrofoam - its easily available but am a little concerned about it being too flimsy. 4. MDF is rigid and heavy and smells funny. Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6852	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Track products

Hi guys; I got a good number of requests for more info.about my track products. If I responded to each person I would be an hour just typing in the string of e-mail addresses. So I wiil respond here so all will get the info quickly. The rust remover/metal polish 23.25 It comes in a large 16 oz. bottle only Track oil (stops electrical 5.55 arching. Keeps wheels cleaner for a long time.) Both items 27.50 Shipping included in prices. I forgot to mention. The metal polish is for all metals. Use in your garage or kitchen. Cleans rust off of chrome bumpers or bikes. Leaves no scratches. Free instructions come with both. Check out this web site to see where it is used. http://www.travel.to/cofa/ Send check or money order to: Roger Hinds Crossroads of America 6 Trudeau rd. Bethlehem NH. 03574 Thank you all for your response

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6853	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Train board

In response to train board type used for trains. I fasten trains directly to plywood. That way my trains make noise while comeing by. Just like a real train Running slow It is quiet. I mix ballast with powdered glue. Put it in place and then spray with water from a spay atomizer. (A spray bottle would put water on much to heavy.) Put a couple of drops of liquid ivory soap in the water so it will soak in quickly. When the ballast dries it will hold your ties down very firm. With AF track I use rubber roadbed on the plywood Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6854	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: sacralige

hey, guys- momma says that i can convert the pool table into a layout. any thoughts from the more open minded about how to combine 0-72 and S-54 on an 8 X 8 area? sorry, purists- just think that I will be running Gilbert 3/16 0 on the 3-rail, too-it will give an opportunity to see the differences between, say, the Royal Blues in action. power for both loops will be a 30B, set up for TMCC on the 0 side and i WILL experiment with it for the S loop, too. I am really considering re-decking the Bascule bridge to accommodate S. Since I plan a small mountain, any info on acceptable gradients for S and 0 would be appreciated. Comparisons of chunky, clunky L brand vs. flyer in appearance and running will be made and announced. How DOES Magna-Traction stack up with Pullmore, anyway? any help will be appreciated. HMMM-i wonder how i might get Standard gauge into this??-john

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6855	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 1/30/2000
Subject: Plywood& carpet

Hi Guys, What I found to work very well is to build plywood base then cut tjhe cheapst indoor outdoor carpet (brown the thin stuff) Spraway #77 adheive to keep it down. Next I use the $3,00 a running foot rubber backed stuff (Grey) cut to fit under track with 2-3 inchwider this also can be glued but I like to staple along edge set track grey color blends well with ballest ex sound deading and is cheap the thinner brown blends to flat dirt areas also used black for roads it also takes paint well. Hope this help someone. Can be used with most track, Mike S, PS the grey should be backside up

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6856	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: CTT article

In a message dated 1/30/00 7:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, yorke@... writes: << In the March 2000 issue of Classic Toy Trains there is a great article about a collector operator, Dennis Bagby out in California. Pick it up if you get a chance. This guy's story is like a dream come true. Anybody know him? >> Dennis is a friend of mine and I had the great pleasure of visiting with him in California and seeing his collection several times. That collection was the great basis for Greenberg Vol. 3. I am glad I took those opportunities, because Dennis' collection is no longer as described in CTT. Over the last two and half years, Dennis has been selling off his collection so most of it is now in the hands of other collectors -- a very small bit of it is on my walls. Great story, of course, but about two to three years too late. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6857	From: finerty, paul	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: diesel horn

Thanks to all for the advice on the diesel horn generator. I will cut it open and clean the contacts tonight. I have two units, so if I mess up the first one I'll send the other one to Portlines for repairs. On the track issue, I also find that wire brushing the pins with a drill attached wire wheel gets the pins real clean, then bending them out a bit makes for a pretty solid connection when assembling the sections. I never take the pins out either. Works great...... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6858	From: Ted Larson	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Golden Wheel Die Cast

> I just wanted to let you know about a new diecast > company called Golden > Wheel. > http://www.goldenwheeldiecast.com/. > Some of the 1/64th vehicles of interest the company > has listed on its > web page are a Checker Marathon and '52 Chevy decked > out in Police, > Taxi, and Fire Dept. garb shown at > http://www.goldenwheeldiecast.com/164cat.htm. I'll > keep you all posted > as for retail channels. -- Keith Thompson in Seattle Thanks KTIS. These 1:64th cars look a LOT like (maybe identical?) the cars in the Kay-Bee 4-pack that was discussed on the lists several months ago. Also note that their FedEx page includes an S scale Ford semi (modern). http://www.goldenwheeldiecast.com/frdex.htm ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6859	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Hudson

I have a re-painted 322 SIT that I would like to re-do. Would anyone have a list of railroads that used similar 4-6-4's? Someone re-painted this one for Erie (decals are shot), and Flyonel was going to do a Santa Fe and a Wabash back in '88. Looking for ideas.... Thanks Gregg Mummert gmummert@... S Gauge - the only way to Fly(er)! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6860	From: David Dewey	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson

Well, I know it isn't right, but I'm thinking of putting "Southern Pacific" on mine, to match the SP caboose I did a few years ago. Guess I'm just playing with toys!! (I suppose if I were to rework the tender into an oil carrying kind, it might be more believable.) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6861	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald

Somebody said awhile back that if we cranked up a new S Gauge Herald, that he (I presume you mean R.M.) would probably sue us for copyright infringement or whatever--wonder if anyone is venturous enough to at least fake if not do a real try like this to smoke him out??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6862	From: Lewis Webb	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: 1/64 scale trucks

WalMart has a 1/64 scale 18 wheeler. Ertl Farm Machines has a grain truck, rollback, and other farm machinery also at WalMart's. This is almost 1/64 scale. For anyone interested, these are good buys. Lewis Webb dcell@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6863	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: 1/64 scale trucks

Matchbox has a 1:65 scale pickup truck, green, with a "Fresh Produce" sign on the doors. I saw a few in a Kaybee Toy Store in Charlotte. For those who do not know, most Matchbox vehicles have the scale moulded on the bottom, 1:56, 1:64, 1:65, etc. Good hunting, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6864	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: shows&boxes-cans& problems

Hi S Gaugers, Just when you think the box thing is an "open& shut" CASE!... Much more educated after that, but then, this group has been very educating for me. I never would have thought of cutting open one of those AF horn (whistle?) cans, but anything with contacts needs to be cleaned and groomed eventually? I used to shake the thing--often pondering whether some mysterious blob would fall from it if I opened it? Question #1= I trust ALL these cans have the same guts??? Mind you, I used to do electrical maintenance work, but that AF CAN was sure mysterious to me. Mine sounds like it needs cleaning--thanks for the comments. Also, I believe one GP-7 I have, has that "Roar" sound-it sounds dumb; almost distracting, but I concluded that must be why it roars( sounds like someone moaning in a dentist's chair). After doing snow removal Sunday, I am not to ambitious to work on my trains right now. Question 2--After my AF 4-8-4 took a plunge to the floor in 1975, one step on the tender broke off. What's the best way to refasten this white metal? Years ago, I tried epoxy, but it didn't last. I recently tried that plumber's epoxy roll stuff as a backer. Looked like that was the answer. Then, it wasn't. So...???? Help? By the way, I did use that roll stuff to fasten an end-railing to a GP -7 frame. It did a good job (so far)--the rivot pins were still intact on the frame when I fastened it. Shows...Just went to a GATS show locally Saturday and bought a Flyer Wabash Hopper. It was nice to deal in person and the vendor is someone I met before. He was the only S GAUGER VENDOR at THAT SHOW--sad. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6865	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson

According to my copy of the Model Railroader Cyclopedia Vol 1 - Steam locomotives, 4-6-4 were used by: Boston & Albany (J2), New York Central (J3a), Milwaukee (F6), Santa Fe (Class 3460), Illinois Central (one engine #1 changed to#2499), C & O (Baker), C & O (Poppet), & Wabash (Class P1). Hope this helps. None really looked like the American Flyer@ model except for the B& A, which was a sub of the New York Central, I believe. Gregg Mummert wrote: > From: "Gregg Mummert" <gmummert@...> > > I have a re-painted 322 SIT that I would like to re-do. > > Would anyone have a list of railroads that used similar 4-6-4's? > > Someone re-painted this one for Erie (decals are shot), and Flyonel > was > going to do a Santa Fe and a Wabash back in '88. > > Looking for ideas.... > > Thanks > Gregg Mummert > gmummert@... > S Gauge - the only way to Fly(er)! > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6866	From: Susie Goldberg-Davis	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: AF track with rubber roadbed

I will be going to a local train show this weekend to look for some excellent or good AF track with the rubber roadbed. What would be a fair unit price for these curved and straight sections. Thanks Bobby Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6867	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: shows&boxes-cans& problems

In a message dated 1/31/00 8:49:59 PM, KtRdd@... writes: << After my AF 4-8-4 took a plunge to the floor in 1975, one step on the tender broke off. What's the best way to refasten this white metal? >> Super glue, if the break was clean, usually works well. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6868	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Re: E-Bay \ S Gauge Herald

Not only could he sue you but you could end up in jail Larry ironhors@... wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6869	From: The Reis's	Date: 1/31/2000
Subject: Lionel Flyer for sale

Lionel flyer for sale. my price (2000 book price) Burlington Northern Grey covered hopper 6-48605 $30 (30) Burlington Gondola green 4-9300 $25 (25) Great Northern green/orange boxcar 900-197 $35 (35) (have 2) Northern Pacific black/gold caboose 6-48711 $45 (50) Burlington Northern Boxcar, green 6-48304 $45 (50) Northern Pacific Boxcar NASG 1094 $55 (65) BN Flat with vans TCA 95 6-48491 Red flat with white BN America vans $65 (70) Pennsylvania caboose 48705 $35 (40) Pennsylvania Box car 48330 $35 (35) Great Northern Box Orange sides/green top TCA 48482 $70 (80) All for $450 ($515 book) I am clearing out the last of my Lionel-Flyer and this is all of it. All are in original boxes with original packaging and are like new. I am always open to offers. Thanks for reading this. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. B. T. and J.T.: yours are set aside separately.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6870	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 515

John R wrote: > Question 2--After my AF 4-8-4 took a plunge to the floor in 1975, one step on the > tender broke off. What's the best way to refasten this white metal? Years ago, I > tried epoxy, but it didn't last. I recently tried that plumber's epoxy roll stuff > as a backer. Looked like that was the answer. Then, it wasn't. So...???? > Help? I made repairs to a 290 that I gave my daughter with a product called JB Weld. It is an epoxy based compound with a metal ? filler that can be filed, sanded, etc. It has held up for some time now. I did clean the break area real well with degreasing solvent and also added a couple of tiny pins (cut off wire brads) in holes drilled in a couple places. I have also used plastic aluminum to replace broken out screw holes and form some parts, but I don't know if that is available any more. Maybe a product called Lab Metal would work the same, but I haven't tried it yet. As to the suggestion of using super glue, I'm not sure it is a great idea. The glue will stick the pieces together, but super glue will not hold up to much shock. Same for other fast setting glues and epoxies, the faster they set, the less shock resistance they have. 5 minute epoxy will not take shock as well as the longer setting versions. I learned this lesson well in gluing handle scales on custom knives I made. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6871	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 515

In a message dated 2/1/00 9:49:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, rogerpjr@... writes: << As to the suggestion of using super glue, I'm not sure it is a great idea. The glue will stick the pieces together, but super glue will not hold up to much shock. >> Granted the shock resistance of super glue has its limits, but the repair will still be stronger than the die cast itself. Be sure to use a fresh batch of super glue, not a sample that has set around for a few years. If one does the repair carefully, it will even be difficult to see. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6872	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson

Thanks for the reply, David. I may use my imagination on my 322, too. Gregg >From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> >To: <S-Trains@onelist.com>,"Gregg Mummert" <gmummert@...> >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hudson >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:23:55 -0800 > >Well, I know it isn't right, but I'm thinking of putting "Southern Pacific" >on mine, to match the SP caboose I did a few years ago. Guess I'm just >playing with toys!! (I suppose if I were to rework the tender into an oil >carrying kind, it might be more believable.) >S' >David D. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6873	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: Hudson

Thanks for looking up the info on Hudsons, Michael. Now it is decision time! Gregg >From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> >To: Gregg Mummert <gmummert@...> >CC: S-Trains@onelist.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hudson >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:25:57 -0500 > > According to my copy of the Model Railroader Cyclopedia Vol 1 - >Steam locomotives, 4-6-4 were used by: Boston & Albany (J2), New York >Central (J3a), Milwaukee (F6), Santa Fe (Class 3460), Illinois Central >(one engine #1 changed to#2499), C & O (Baker), C & O (Poppet), & Wabash >(Class P1). Hope this helps. None really looked like the American Flyer@ >model except for the B& A, which was a sub of the New York Central, I >believe. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6874	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: AF track with rubber roadbed

In western NY roadbed goes for about $2 or so. Don't know what track is but it's cheap. Susie Goldberg-Davis wrote: > > From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > > I will be going to a local train show this weekend to look for some > excellent or good AF track with the rubber roadbed. > > What would be a fair unit price for these curved and straight sections. > > Thanks > Bobby Davis > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6875	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: 4-8-4 root canal

Attch steps by "drill and fill" method. Read on! >Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:31:09 EST > From: KtRdd@... >Subject: shows&boxes-cans& problems > >Hi S Gaugers, ..................................................................... but I concluded that must be >why it roars( sounds like someone moaning in a dentist's chair). This last comment leads to the real fix for the next item: >Question 2--After my AF 4-8-4 took a plunge to the floor in 1975, one step on >the tender broke off. What's the best way to refasten this white metal? Use a super glue like Zap A Gap but first... Drill a hole through the chassis and into the step just big enough for a small paper clip. Apply glue and fill the hole with the clip. Snip, file off and paint to match. The paper clip give the added reinforcement similar to pinning a broken bone. Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6876	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: shows&boxes-cans& problems

When something small breaks and the fix needs to be real strong, I do the following. I drill a tiny hole (size depends on the area available to work with) in both parts. Two holes if I can get away with it. Apply glue to a stiff wire cut to proper length. Also apply glue to the broken surfaces And plug together. This won't ever come off unless it gets a strong whack. Roger RBubeck327@... wrote: > > From: RBubeck327@... > > In a message dated 1/31/00 8:49:59 PM, KtRdd@... writes: > > << After my AF 4-8-4 took a plunge to the floor in 1975, one step on > the tender broke off. What's the best way to refasten this white metal? >> > > Super glue, if the break was clean, usually works well. > > RB > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6877	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Root canals

Hi S gaugers and dentists, I was afraid there would be talk of root canals on my tender! I already have one in my mouth. The problem is drilling a hole in a fragile and small part of a tender step. But it is energizing to see the suggestions, especially a paper clip-perfect! The effort will be made if a drill bit that small can be found (my tool collection is --limited). My patience with only glue has run out. Yes, shock is a factor on something like this, because this step is long & protrudes down far (like a tooth) and it is vulnerable. It is the front step on the tender nearest the engine and it is a LONG ONE!! I will feel like Painless Potter the dentist--remember Bob Hope's movie? (Send a goodwill wish to him at (I think) Bob Hope@...). He would like that. John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6878	From: Allen Evans	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount

Has anyone considered an interchangeable coupler mount for their AF locomotive, or does such a "system" already exist? What I would like to do is easily swap out a standard AF Knuckle coupler with a Kadee 802, or a Link coupler so I can run different versions of cars from my AF #325 Hudson. The system would be based on a "universal" mount to which the three couplers could quickly be attached by thumb screw. Something like what you might see on a phono cartridge "P-Mount" receptacle found on a phono turntable. Any take on the above? Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6879	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: End of Track

Gentlemen and any Ladies, I don't know who on this list, besides Don Thompson may have known him, but Bill Daiker of Stockholm, NJ reached End of Track Friday night about 8 pm EST.after fighting a good battle with cancer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6880	From: Michael Greene	Date: 2/1/2000
Subject: Re: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount

I don't have all the specifics worked out, but if I were looking for such a solution, I'd look seriously at a Kadee 802 coupler pocket. Obviously you can put a Kadee 802 in it, and S Helper Service has nicely design some of their AF-compatible couplers to fit in a Kadee 802 coupler pocket. If I were you I check in with Don and get some to check out. I forget which piece of rolling stock they came on. Michael At 09:00 PM 02/01/2000 -0600, Allen Evans wrote: >From: Allen Evans <alevans@...> > >Has anyone considered an interchangeable coupler mount for their AF >locomotive, or >does such a "system" already exist? > >What I would like to do is easily swap out a standard AF Knuckle coupler >with a >Kadee 802, or a Link coupler so I can run different versions of cars from >my AF #325 >Hudson. The system would be based on a "universal" mount to which the three >couplers could quickly be attached by thumb screw. Something like what >you might >see on a phono cartridge "P-Mount" receptacle found on a phono turntable. > >Any take on the above? > >Allen Evans >Covington, Louisiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6881	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: An Interchangeable Coupler Mount

The part Michael is talking about is #00295(American Flyer@ compatable SW-9 couplers). It is described on the last inside page of Don Thompson's S Helper Service 2000 catalog with a picture. It shows a Flyer@ type coupler inside an Kadee 802 pocket. Michael Greene wrote: > From: Michael Greene <mgreene@...> > > I don't have all the specifics worked out, but if I were looking for > such a > solution, I'd look seriously at a Kadee 802 coupler pocket. Obviously > you > can put a Kadee 802 in it, and S Helper Service has nicely design some > of > their AF-compatible couplers to fit in a Kadee 802 coupler pocket. If > I > were you I check in with Don and get some to check out. I forget which > > piece of rolling stock they came on. > > Michael > > At 09:00 PM 02/01/2000 -0600, Allen Evans wrote: > >From: Allen Evans <alevans@...> > > > >Has anyone considered an interchangeable coupler mount for their AF > >locomotive, or > >does such a "system" already exist? > > > >What I would like to do is easily swap out a standard AF Knuckle > coupler > >with a > >Kadee 802, or a Link coupler so I can run different versions of cars > from > >my AF #325 > >Hudson. The system would be based on a "universal" mount to which > the three > >couplers could quickly be attached by thumb screw. Something like > what > >you might > >see on a phono cartridge "P-Mount" receptacle found on a phono > turntable. > > > >Any take on the above? > > > >Allen Evans > >Covington, Louisiana > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6882	From: John Simkovich	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: IHB 080 and N&W 080

Hello Gentlemen, Possibly some one out there can help me. I am looking for information on The N&W 080 and The Indiana Harbor Belt 080. I need some statistics on the locomotives to seatle an argumentas to which locomotive is the stronger of the two, and the larger of the 2. Possibly if someone could supply me with some specifications on these locomotives??? that would be great. Thanks for all your help. John Simkovich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6883	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount

Has anyone considered an interchangeable coupler mount for their AF locomotive, or does such a "system" already exist? What I would like to do is easily swap out a standard AF Knuckle coupler with a Kadee 802, or a Link coupler so I can run different versions of cars from my AF #325 Hudson. The system would be based on a "universal" mount to which the three couplers could quickly be attached by thumb screw. Something like what you might see on a phono cartridge "P-Mount" receptacle found on a phono turntable. Any take on the above? Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana Allen, here is my idea. Get thin sheet metal and cut a small "T" shape for each coupler and one for your tender. Drill and tap a small hole for your thumb screw toward the base of the long end of each "T" that will be used for a coupler and drill the hole in the middle of the "T" wings on the tender one. Wrap the wings of the "T" around each coupler just like you normally do to install a coupler on your trucks. Form the wings on the tender "T" to accept the long end of the coupler "T". Remove the coupler on your tender, insert the long end of the "T" and crimp in place. Now, insert whatever coupler "T" you want, match the screw holes and use the thumb screw to hold them together. Just an idea I thought up while reading your post. Scott Brown sbrown56@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6884	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: IHB 080 and N&W 080

Hi John, Here is a part of your answer. The Model Railroader Cyclopedia - Volume 1 - Steam Locomotives states that N&W used the USRA design for 0-8-0 locos. The length of the engine is 35 feet, 9 and 1/2 inches (from the coupler mount on the front to the rear of the cab floor. The drivers are 51 inches in diameter and spaced on 5 foot centers. There is no information on drawbar pull nor the weight. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: John Simkovich <jps2102@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 7:36 AM Subject: [S-Trains] IHB 080 and N&W 080 >From: "John Simkovich" <jps2102@...> > >Hello Gentlemen, > >Possibly some one out there can help me. I am looking for information on The N&W 080 and The Indiana Harbor Belt 080. I need some statistics on the locomotives to seatle an argumentas to which locomotive is the stronger of the two, and the larger of the 2. Possibly if someone could supply me with some specifications on these locomotives??? that would be great. > >Thanks for all your help. > >John Simkovich > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6885	From: shirleyp@alltel.net	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Wheel & Track Demensions

I have four Gilbert AF trains,[Two 1949 steam,one Frontier, and one repairmen handcar ], which I need to rebuild . The information I can't seem to find is the demensions of the wheel spacing for these trains . I have taken the measuements off my trains and compared them with charts that I have found in S gauge articals , but they do not come close . Where can I get this information ? Thanks for your time ; Jerry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6886	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: coupler mount

One problem that must be considered in designing a changeable coupler mount is this: Truck mounted couplers will usually not mate well with body mounted couplers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6887	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount

I solved my coupler problem in a slightly differentway. I have a box car with a link coupler on one end of a truck and a knuckle on the other end of the same truck. The aded link on a partial truck frame was epoxied onto the frame of a link truck converted to knuckle. I spin the truck around depending wwhich one I need. Mike Shea, in our club, made up a car up with a Flyer coupler on one end and a Kadee on the other. Both of these solutions, while not as universal as what you want, are relatively clean and easy to do. Scott Brown wrote: > > From: Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> > > Has anyone considered an interchangeable coupler mount for > their AF locomotive, or > does such a "system" already exist? > > What I would like to do is easily swap out a standard AF > Knuckle coupler with a > Kadee 802, or a Link coupler so I can run different versions > of cars from my AF #325 > Hudson. The system would be based on a "universal" mount to > which the three > couplers could quickly be attached by thumb screw. > Something like what you might > see on a phono cartridge "P-Mount" receptacle found on a > phono turntable. > > Any take on the above? > > Allen Evans > Covington, Louisiana > > Allen, here is my idea. Get thin sheet metal and cut a small > "T" shape for each coupler and one for your tender. Drill > and tap a small hole for your thumb screw toward the base of > the long end of each "T" that will be used for a coupler and > drill the hole in the middle of the "T" wings on the tender > one. Wrap the wings of the "T" around each coupler just like > you normally do to install a coupler on your trucks. Form > the wings on the tender "T" to accept the long end of the > coupler "T". Remove the coupler on your tender, insert the > long end of the "T" and crimp in place. Now, insert whatever > coupler "T" you want, match the screw holes and use the > thumb screw to hold them together. Just an idea I thought > up while reading your post. > > Scott Brown > sbrown56@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6888	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: arcing

Let me rephrase that. 1. When operating a Flyer railroad on AC, arcing causes damage at contacts and electrical contact surfaces, such as in the horn controller, and probably in motors. 2. What causes arcing? Why does one brush of a Flyer loco motor spark more than the other, depending on direction? 3. How can arcing be defeated using capacitors, resistors, diodes? How can the correct values for these components be calculated? 4. Should we begin looking at this to protect contacts in horn controllers, motors, track trips, other vulnerable points? Thanks for your help, Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6889	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gauger's

For those of you in the Northern Virginia/Washington DC area: Just a reminder about our first meeting of the Northern Virginia Chapter of the Atlantic Coast S Gauger's this Saturday February 5th at 10 am. It will be at my home in Manassas. Hope to see you there. Wayne Beachy and Mike Myers will be coming up from the RIchmond Chapter to show us the modules and help us get started. Bring a train to run if you like. Any questions, just email me off list. The Atlantic Coast S Gauger's have no dues, no officers, no by-laws, and meet quarterly at member's homes. We build S gauge modules so we can promote S gauge at train shows, shopping centers, hospitals, etc. Everyone is invited !!! Hope to see you Saturday !! Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6890	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: Coupler Mount

Not a tested Idea, just one in my head. Remove KC coupler, and the side pieces that held in on. Drill & tap hole 6-32 in remaining "tab." now you can screw on a KC that has a hole for diesel truck mounting, you can screw on the link coupler adapter used on the early Alcos, and you should be able to screw on a Kadee too. I don't know if the coupler heights will all be correct, though. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6891	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: #21168 Short out on Switches?

Hi Guys and Gals; I know this is going to sound weird but me 21168 shorts out and goes into reverse when it goes through a manual switch? And when I try to run it thru again it shorts out and finally it wil just stall on top of the Switch! The intering part is the Drawbar has already passed over the Switch and the Sparks start when the Tender is over the Switch? If I give her more Throttle it will Sail right through But I have to be going about sixty clicks? Which I feel is too fast for the Switch and Curve upcoming! When the Engine passes over the other Switches Manual and Power I dont have a Problem. I even went so far as to cover the Drawbar with a Piece of Electrical tape hoping if it touched the Frog it would slide over without an electrical contact? Well anyways another little of lifes mysterys any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated Thanks for the listen <Jde>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6892	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: Re: #21168 Short out on Switches?

Hmm, If it goes through the other switches, and only shorts on this switch, I suspect something about this switch is not quite right. (But what??? I dunno! Maybe the tender wheel is contacting the other rail at the point?) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6893	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/2/2000
Subject: glue & cement

What's the difference between a glue and a cement? Is there a difference?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6894	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG? (re Digest #508 Post #3)

> Message: 3 --------------- (Digest 508, Message 3) > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:41:24 -0400 > From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > Subject: S track Diameter/AF 290 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <snip> > I'm looking for fixed curves 10-15" radius (20-30" diameter). Smaller than > Pike Master. > Is there a manufacturer who makes this or do I go with flex track? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <snip> > Thanks > Bobby Davis > ================================== Please NOTE: This letter represents just MY OPINION, realizing that others may enthusiastically disagree. It appears that the majority of the people on this list are interested mainly in Flyer issues. If I am lucky, maybe one or two people will have the interest to read this, as it is not about Flyer. 1.Re Bobby Davis 's email of Jan 24 (copy preceding), about sharp radius curves, I found it disturbing that I did not see any follow-ups to this post. 2.In my opinion, this minimum track circle diameter issue that he brought up, needs more attention than it is now getting. In fact, I think it relates significantly to the UPHILL STUGGLE we face in trying to "grow S gauge". Sooo . . . welcome to the beginning of this letter, titled: "CAN WE G-R-O-W S GA BETTER", . . . BY REDUCING SPACE REQUIREMENTS ?? ================================== . . . . . .PART I -- WHAT'S THE PROBLEM: 3.The large diameter turning circle required by S gauge compared to other gauges, in my OPINION, is a MAJOR HINDRANCE TO GROWING S gauge. Let me repeat that last paragraph: The fact that the smallest-available diameter circle of S gauge track, requires such a large space relative to the size of the rolling stock, is a hindrance to advancing S gauge, because it makes it difficult to construct a small, RELIABLE, temporary display. 4.To make the public think more about S gauge, it helps to display and run it. But the relatively large space requirements of S gauge discourage doing small displays, other than point-to-point. For example, last December at our local Williamsport train show, I ran a DC-configured, S Helper SW-9 on a back-and-forth, point-to-point elevated viaduct (using an automatic timer for DC polarity reversal). I was amazed that this simple operating display got a fair amount of interest. (Possibly because usually the only way S gauge out here in the backwaters of Pennsylvania is ever viewed by the public, is in a stationary position, laying on it's side on a sales table. I think a lot of people were surprised to see that there is S gauge that can actually run . . . and run smoothly, without jerking, surging, and stalling.) A complete operating loop would have been far better, but the 30" wide train-show tables are just not wide enough for any of the existing S gauge track circles. So I was limited to doing back-and-forth. 5.Meanwhile, other people at this show had O-27 operating loops on the same size 30" wide tables. You can fit a loop of O-27 track on a standard 30" wide train show table, and have an operating display. But with S gauge and it's 40" minimum radius, you need either 2 tables, or else a 4' wide table. This gets too cumbersome, and the result is that the display usually never happens. For S gauge clubs with the manpower to set up the modules with the 10 foot diameter curves and run River Raisen articulated brass, I say "keep on trucking". But up here in the backwaters of Pennsylvania, I seem to be a "one man band", and I have to "think small" for putting up any operating displays. ================================== . . . . . .PART II -- WHAT WOULD HELP: One thing that I THINK would help S gauge a lot, is : 6.TRACK--Some GOOD track that could snap together for a portable display, with a turning diameter of about 27" or less, so it could fit on a standard 30" wide table. a.A small diameter version of the S Helper S-Trax would be great. b.I tried Pikemaster, but it did not seem to stay joined together well enough to be even remotely reliable. For temporary displays, we need something like LGB or S-Trax, that will stay together RELIABLY, without being nailed down. c.Is it realistic to expect anybody to ever produce something like 24" diameter S-Trax? Maybe . . . maybe there are people now building O-27 or HO or N gauge layouts, who would rather do S gauge, but don't have space for the 40 inches and up turning circles . . . . . . plus a few people like myself, who want to set up operating displays in small spaces. 7.ROLLING STOCK--A few pieces of good running hi-rail equipment that could operate on these small diameter curves. We don't need a whole "fleet", just one good engine and about 3 different cars. By good running I mean low geared, with good track pickup. a.I mean, something that performs almost as well as an S Helper SW-9, but with the motor mounted directly on the power truck, to avoid problems of binding the U-joints on really sharp turns. That would be great. I don't mean an out-of-scale engine either, but a small S gauge hi-rail boxcab or 0-4-0 built to scale proportions. (Fudge the couplers as necessary.) b.Is it realistic to expect anybody to ever produce a small engine like this? Why not . . . if it can run on curves ranging from 10 foot diameter down to 27" diameter, it should have a wide market. Small and versatile. Keep the price low as possible without sacrificing running quality. ============================= . . . . . COMPARE S ga. WITH OTHER SCALES: 8.If MTH can operate O gauge Rail King in a 27" diameter circle, we certainly should be able to turn the smaller size S gauge in the same or smaller radius. 9.As another contrast, consider the LGB large scale. A version of LGB scaled-down to S scale would be fine. LBG is approximatley 2.8 times larger in scale than S {(1:22.5) / (1:64) = 2.84}. Yet the LGB #1100 curved track makes a 48" diameter circle. Their great-running 0-4-0's run on it fine, and even their big Moguls and F-7's can also negotiate it. This 48" diameter track circle, scaled down to S scale, would be about 17 inches diameter !! (48" / 2.84 = 17"). Think about it . . . that's a track circle size we could fit into a lot more places than we can fit a 40" circle!! ================================== . . . . PART III -- FOR ADDITIONAL READING: 10.If you have any interest in reading additional "ranting" on this subject, there is a copy of a letter I wrote to Don Thompson of S Helper Service at http://www.trainweb.org/sss/shs/ . If you got all the way this far, thanks for reading. Staying on track with S gauge, - Jim Ingram . <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 <><> 1738 E. Third St, PMB 357 <><>Williamsport PA 17701-3868 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> Web Page Design Services: http://www.track2.com/mac/web <><> Central PA train shows: http://www.track2.com/pa <><> Central PA dance groups: http://www.track2.com/dance <><> Macintosh Beige G3/266, OS 8.6, Cable Modem, Epson Stylus 800 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> "You recommend Macs to your friends, <><> and Intel machines to those whom you don't mind billing by the hour." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6895	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Letter about small radii track.

Hi James, I read all the way down to the bottom of your letter and agree with you about needing something smaller for the enticement of new s-gaugers. A small docksider engine like they make for HO and N gauge would be really neat items for an inexspensive starter set. Along with a couple of short tank cars and ore cars, you could have a super looking starter set on a very small layout. Hopefully someone with the rescources can help make this possible. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6896	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: PRS cars

I don't know if I am reinventing the wheel here, but I think this idea may be useful to some of you. On the Pacific Rail Shop cars, especially on the 50 foot boxcars, I find the stirrup steps are especially fragile. I have gotten around this by drilling a hole into the bottom of the car behind the step and inserting a piece of fine stiff wire (piano wire is good, but a shirt pin works fine). I attach the pin to the car body and the step with Walthers' Goo (this provides flexibility) and then apply ACC (this provides strength). The pin is then painted to match the step. It is hardly visible and the step is infinitely stronger. I did this initially just to my PRS 50 footers, but I am doing it now to all my PRS and AM boxcars and reefers as they need maintenance. Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6897	From: George Leonard	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Prewar Chuggers

Hi All, I have a question that I dont think has been asked before: I have two prewar AF O gauge tenders with chuggers in them that dont work. The motors work fine, the little piston goes up and down in their cylinders, the plate with the little hole through which the air pressure goes is in place and intact. Am I missing something? What else should be making these things chug. If I didnt have two the same, I would think the problem was just with the one tender. They just sit there and whirr away with nary a chug. Anyone with any ideas? Ive worked with postwar SITs which are similarly constructed except for the smoke generator. Usually, if you can get their motors working you at least get the choochoo sound if not the smoke. Thanks in advance. George Leonard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6898	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Tank Car Train

I got my three-car Tank Car Train from Russ Down the other day. Wow, what a beaut it is. I can't wait to see it on our Central Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers' layout at the GATS Show in Winston-Salem on February 12-13. Stop by in you are in the area. Sponsor Joe's Train Repair will be located directly across from the modular layout. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6899	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG? (re Digest #508 Post #3)

We use 15" radius (30" dia.) Pikemaster for an action car layout we display at shows mounted on a board about 42" wide. It is stable on a 30" table at shows where kida operate the action cars and have lots of fun. The Pikemaster has been used for many shows, is mounted to the board, and is reliable. Board is painted green and roadbed area is simply painted gray. A Plasticville house and some plastic trees complete the scenery. We set it up alongside our large combination S scale and S hirail modular layout and it adds a lot of interest to spectators. The parents of the kids always thank us for the effort. JamesIngram@... wrote: > > From: JamesIngram@... > > > Message: 3 --------------- (Digest 508, Message 3) > > Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:41:24 -0400 > > From: "Susie Goldberg-Davis" <gographics@...> > > Subject: S track Diameter/AF 290 > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <snip> > > I'm looking for fixed curves 10-15" radius (20-30" diameter). Smaller > than > > Pike Master. > > Is there a manufacturer who makes this or do I go with flex track? > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . <snip> > > Thanks > > Bobby Davis > > (remainder snipped) -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6900	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S track diameter

James I have to disagree with your statement that track diameter is a major hindrance to 'S'. In fact I feel that if such a new smaller track diameter was introduced it would in fact be the opposite. I can see your need for a smaller track diameter is to suit a niche market, one like yours for display purposes. I can't honestly see large numbers of people new into 'S' wishing to set up on table tops all the time. The greatest danger will be when these 'new' people wish to advance to larger engines and longer rolling stock only to find that it will be impossible to run them through these curves. The only solution will be to scrap this road system for another! I believe that if *you* wish to promote 'S' you will have to build a custom layout for this specific purpose and explain to said audience the virtues of 'S' and that what they see is purely for exhibition use. I feel that if people are going to convert to 'S' they will hopefully have a good idea of what they are letting themselves in for and we don't want to disguise this issue. If we had such track available the end result would be that we are no better than the Lionel clan whose product falls into the 'Toy Train' bracket with no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate stock. I always thought that Flyer stood for realism and that the likes of 'S-Helper and AM' are continuing this tradition. Now you may think you are in a backwater, you want to be where I am!!! Neil T. (Across the pond) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6901	From: seattlewithyou@hotmail.com	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6902	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re:

Hmm, While these are interesting pieces, the interest for the serious railfan, or hobbiest, would be in one with a train on it that actually represented something that was real. There are so many real oddities that one work from and would still be realistic examples that fantasies aren't necessary. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6903	From: Richard	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: S track diameter

Neil and list Took me a minute to figure out the ISP name (ha!!) I digress , and ive only started!! This radii dilemma is an interesting one. Im building (slowly) and exhibition layout (in four sections ) 8ft by 10ft..so the radii used are not as large as say a permanent home layout would enjoy ( or hope to) but not awkwardly over tight either...some are about as 34" effective (mainline)but are in conjunction with easements (transitions....and these are the secret of curves...its not the curve radii per se, its the rate of change that causes most troubles) .The purpose of the layout is to get me off my butt and stop procrastinating about not being able todo permanent layout yet and also to show what can be accomplished in a relatively small area....we diesel guys are luckier inrespect to curves...even an SD can negotiate tighter curves than is corresponding steamer (all aesthetics aside!!) Of course this really can only be done with flex or handlaid as fix radii curves (set track) has differnt considerations. Still maybe some sense of transition can be had by leading into a curve using a larger radius piece followed by the main curve in the smaller dimension. cheers >:~)) Richard Neil Trump wrote: > > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > > James > > I have to disagree with your statement that track diameter is a major hindrance to 'S'. In fact I feel that if such a new smaller track diameter was introduced it would in fact be the opposite. I can see your need for a smaller track diameter is to suit a niche market, one like yours for display purposes. I can't honestly see large numbers of people new into 'S' wishing to set up on table tops all the time. The greatest danger will be when these 'new' people wish to advance to larger engines and longer rolling stock only to find that it will be impossible to run them through these curves. The only solution will be to scrap this road system for another! > > I believe that if *you* wish to promote 'S' you will have to build a custom layout for this specific purpose and explain to said audience the virtues of 'S' and that what they see is purely for exhibition use. I feel that if people are going to convert to 'S' they will hopefully have a good idea of what they are letting themselves in for and we don't want to disguise this issue. > > If we had such track available the end result would be that we are no better than the Lionel clan whose product falls into the 'Toy Train' bracket with no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate stock. I always thought that Flyer stood for realism and that the likes of 'S-Helper and AM' are continuing this tradition. > > > Now you may think you are in a backwater, you want to be where I am!!! > > Neil T. > (Across the pond) > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6904	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: S Equipment/Short Radium Turns

Jim, You might want to consider the industrial switch engine which Putt Trains (I think, if memory serves me right) used to offer as a starter item. I don't know what the turn radius specification is, but it might be worth checking out. Hope this helps. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6905	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement

Jarcho wrote: > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > What's the difference between a glue and a cement? Is there a difference? Cement is used in the foundation of your home. It is a word often missued. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6906	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement

Speaking of misused words, I think you have concrete in your foundation, cement is just one of the ingredients. (maybe you did kind of say that say that) But actually my Random House dictionary says: Cement: 1. any of the various calcined mixtures of clay and limestone mixed with water and sand and gravel, to form concrete, used as a building material. 2. any of the soft sticky substances that dry hard or stonelike used for mending broken objects, or making things adhere. 3. anything that binds or unites. Glue: 1. A hard protein gelatin obtained by boiling skin, hoofs and other animal substances in water and used as a strong adhesive. 2.any of the various preparations of this or a similar substance used as an adhesive. So if Trigger or Mr. Ed are involved it's glue. Ok, end of word review, back to trains, misspellings, and bad grammar. eric kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> To: Jarcho <jarcho@...> Cc: <S-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] glue & cement > From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> > > Jarcho wrote: > > > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > > > What's the difference between a glue and a cement? Is there a difference? > > Cement is used in the foundation of your home. > It is a word often missued. > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > > Intro APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative7SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. Click Here! > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SpaarksValentine3 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6907	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/3/2000
Subject: Re: glue & cement

>> From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) >> >> What's the difference between a glue and a cement? Is there a difference? > >Cement is used in the foundation of your home. >It is a word often missued. >> Well, maybe. In general, cement is a material that holds other materials together with little or no bulk of its own. So, the cement in the foundations of our houses is more accurately called Portland Cement (or just Portland). You can buy it at the local stores - mix it with something bulky like sand, gravel, stones or other forms of 'aggregate' - and then add water. The resulting chemical reaction (within the components of the Portland) forms concrete. Glue is often some sort of fluid that contains an adhesive, a vehicle and a filler. The adhesive acts as cement, the vehicle dries and leaves the scene and the filler provides most of the strength and substance. Ambroid and Goo are examples. The gap filling ACC we use is another (even though there is no vehicle - there is a chemical reaction between the ACC and atmospheric moisture to form the resulting solid). Testor's liquid cement - in the square bottles - is really just a vehicle that can dissolve some kinds of plastic. Apply the stuff and some of the plastic combines with the vehicle to form a glue. When the vehicle dries, the parts are cemented or welded together. Sometimes, epoxy is referred to as glue - as in epoxy glue. That is kind of OK. The A and B epoxy materials combine with a chemical reaction to form plastic that adheres to lots of stuff. There is no drying and no loss of vehicle during the curing process. Sadly, this distinction between cements and glues tends to break down as progress is made in finding or creating new methods of sticking things together. I suspect that the differentiation between the two words will encourage some of the same religious fervor found in the 'turnout' versus 'switch' wars. I further suspect that none of us will be confused if we use the two words interchangeably. Good Luck, Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6908	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: enough with the spike art ads, thank you. eom.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6909	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: fragile steps

Tom Gerbasi wrote: >Pacific Rail Shop cars, especially on the 50 foot boxcars, I find the stirrup steps are >especially fragile. I have gotten around this by drilling a hole into the bottom of the >car behind the step and inserting a piece of fine stiff wire (piano wire is good, but a >shirt pin works fine). I attach the pin to the car body and the step. Tom: Are you making it into an angle piece, supporting the step with a triangle formed by the step, the pin and the floor of the car? Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6910	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: TRACK FOR S-30

Hi Jim, This sounds like a great idea. I have curved Gargraves flex track to a 33" diameter and run most of Gilbert's engines on it. Perhaps with a little more bending we could get this down to a 30" table and at least run an 0-6-0 on it or an Atlantic. You could screw this to thin plywood and have a portable layout for shows. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6911	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Blatant Sales Promotion on List

Dennis Janovich wrote: >I thought you would be interested in these... >For the railroad and train enthusiast...a must see! Then he posted 2 e-Bay auction addresses and a business website address. Gee Dennis, you forgot to post "WOW . . . L@@K!!!!!!!!!" Nobody minds seeing some S-gauge gear that a list contributor has for sale. This isn't a sales forum, but such offers are tolerated because we all like to buy cool S-Train stuff anyway. Your post is off topic at least, unless you thought S-Trains means Spike Trains. (For those who have not seen it, Dennis is auctioning plated railroad spikes with miniature trains cast onto them.) While some people might find the items amusing, they are no more interesting to me than if you were hawking cheap jewelry or tube socks. More importantly, this is not the place for overt commercialism. This post was spam, pure and simple. When you are on this list, you are in our house. Please don't do it again. Thanks, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6912	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Re: S Equipment/Short Radium Turns

If one wanted small radius curves, why not build a streetcar or traction layout. 35' R was common on street railways and 50' R could be used with small traction locos and freight cars designed for traction use. A 35'R = 6.5625"R in S Scale, make it 7" to keep it simple and a 50'R = 9.375"R in S Scale. The big stumbleing block is not very much in the way of R-T-R, one would have to do a lot scratch building. For some one who likes to build on his own it could provide a lot of fun. In some of the old S Gaige Hearld I remember some articles on build traction models. The new adjustable powered unit from Pennsylvania Heritage Models could be a good source for power units. Just think if you lived in a studio apartment you could model in S Scale on a 2'x4' layout! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6913	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Cement/glue

Tom Jarcho wrote: >What's the difference between a glue and a cement? to which Roger Hinds replied: >Cement is used in the foundation of your home. It is a word often missued. Tom & Roger: The American College Dictionarys most general definition of cement is: "Anything that binds or unites." Thus, while wheatpaste glue may be the cement holding your childs construction paper project together, your children may be the cement holding your marriage together. (Nothing personal, just a f'rinstance, although, if she feels misused, a wife could be the miss who sues.) Portland Cement is at the heart of a substance known as concrete, which in turn, is used as the foundation of your home. Without the cement, concrete would not be so concrete. It would be called aggregate. Cement, then, is not so much a name (although some substances do bear the word as a name) but a definition of purpose, to bind together. Glue has its roots in boiled animal hide preparations. It also is used as an adhesive medium for uniting substances. The general dictionary definition is "Any similar adhesive material." In practice, the words glue and cement are used interchangeably, and so many commercial preparations have hit the market bearing one appellation or the other that it seems difficult to sort them out. This should help. Think of concrete. Here is a mixture of several materials; sand, stone and lime, that are bound together in an aqueous (water) suspension with a chemical cement (Portland). The cement reacts with the water and hardens to a rock-like consistency, thus binding all those rock materials together. It can last for centuries and there is no functional way to separate all the original ingredients ever again. Now think of that construction paper thing your kid is making. If he uses Elmer's glue, a gooey adhesive mixture will be applied to the surface of the paper to bind it together. Chair legs will fit into drilled holes in the seat using a similar furniture glue. Over time, the glue will dry out. The pieces will come apart. Glue is an adhesive to stick things together, without essentially changing the things. Cement is an inherent part of a final product which is made up of things that must be held together and the cement that holds them. Most everything we use as an adhesive would be defined as a glue, even plastic model cement and PVC cement which chemically "weld" plastic by melting it at the point of contact. Those joints can be taken apart and with minor repairs, the parts restored. There is a tool sold by plumbing shops for disassembling PVC joints. I admit that this is a grey area, though, and the appellation "cement" might be technically correct for these and similar items. If you use epoxy to join two surfaces, you are using it as a glue. If you coat some bolts and nuts with it, assemble the piece and then coat all over the hardware, this would qualify as a cement by my definition. Have I beaten this horse to death yet? Good, let's boil him up and make some glue. (Now you know why it's Elmer's (the bull) glue!) Two to glue, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6914	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: 56 Catalog

Hi all, Was browsing Charles Siegel's site and just thought you might like to know that he has 146 mint copies of the '56 catalog in stock! Interesting how one year of catalogs seems to be so common. Too bad the '58 catalog isn't. Must be neat to run across an unopened case of such stuff. I did run across a set like that once, the guy had opened the box the week before, wanted to set the train up under his christmas tree. While I like running trains, the curator in me thinks a NIB set like that from the 50s has a history to share, just as it is. I thought it was neat to finally see just how ACG packed stuff. Wish I'd taken pictures now. Back to running the trains. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6915	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: AF Trestle

Hi: Does anyone have an AF trestle set they would like to sell? Please contact me off S-trains list with price, etc. Tx. Very much. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6916	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: AF trestles

The place to buy AF trestl3es is Hobby Surplus, New Britain CT. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6917	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6918	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II

I want to say THANKS to all the people, on-list and off-list, who took time to make comments about my original "ranting'. >> Message: 7 (Digest #518) >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:56:04 -0800 >> From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> >> Subject: S track diameter >> >> James >> >> I have to disagree with your statement that track diameter is a >> major hindrance to 'S'. In fact I feel that if such a new smaller >> track diameter was introduced it would in fact be the opposite. I >> can see your need for a smaller track diameter is to suit a niche >> market, one like yours for display purposes. I can't honestly see >> large numbers of people new into 'S' wishing to set up on table tops >> all the time. The greatest danger will be when these 'new' people >> wish to advance to larger engines and longer rolling stock only to >> find that it will be impossible to run them through these curves. >> The only solution will be to scrap this road system for another! 1.The above statements, I essentially do not disagree with. However, consider this scenerio: Let's try to imagine the hypothetical 'new' person that you mentioned above, who started with this hypothetical "S-27" (27" diameter S ga. curve system), contemplating the 27 inch diameter curves on his layout, and finding himself in exactly the dangerous predicament you described. Try to imagine this person, glaring at his layout, muttering to himself, "Damn . . my new 2-10-10-2 articulated can't make it through these S-27 curves. Now I'm going to have to go buy another box of that S-Trax in a larger diameter." 2.QUESTION #1: Might not we prefer the above-described dilemma, occurring as an S-gauge dilemma, then to have this 'new' person start in some other gauge,because his maximum space or aspirations at that time required a smaller-than-40" diameter circle?? 3.If this 'new' person starts out in O-27, then tries to change to running the longer, scale length O gauge equipment, he is going to have the same problem. But by then, he will be in the midst of solving an O-gauge dilemma, which won't help us any for growing S gauge. <snip> >> If we had such track available the end result would be that we are >> no better than the Lionel clan whose product falls into the 'Toy >> Train' bracket with no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate >> stock. I always thought that Flyer stood for realism and that the >> likes of 'S-Helper and AM' are continuing this tradition. <snip> . 1.The "no better than Lionel clan" reminds me of an interesting story I heard just this week. A volunteer for the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg told us that MTH is providing the trains for the museum's new O gauge display. MTH offered the museum the choice of the Premier (no compromises, full scale) or the Rail King (the stubby stuff that gets around the sharp curves). He said the museum chose the Rail King, because they did not have the space for the Premier. 2.QUESTION 2-- Sooooo . . . In S gauge we have our Premier equivalent (S Helper in my opinion, you can substitute your own favorite manufacturer). But as for the Rail King equivalent in S gauge, what do we have ???? Putting the same question a different way, as S gaugers, do we want to stay 'pure' (larger, more realistic curves or nothing), or have some compromises and possibly attract more people. 3.As for the pitfalls of "no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate stock", I think this should-be and could-be be avoided with our hypothetical S-27 curves. A boxcab or docksider should require no "compromise of scale" to be capable of negotiating a 27" diameter curve, nor would modest-length cars. Just picture a scaled-down version of the LGB 0-4-0, which I believe looks reasonably close to scale. The only possible "fudging" required might be with the coupler linkages. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 4.A possible parallel (the validity of which you might debate), might be personal computer operating systems. We Macintosh fans will generally argue that the closely-controlled-by-Apple, relatively uncompromised Macintosh system (like S gauge) is the more robust and better functioning of the two systems, with fewer compromises than the relative chaos of the Windows world (substitute O gauge here, complete with sharp corners, stubby engines, waaay too tall gearing, incompatabile sound systems {MTH protosounds vs Lionel command control} plus an unprototypical 3rd rail), but, in both cases, we all know which system dominates in terms of sheer numbers. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 5.In summary, I think there's no debate that we should use the biggest radius possible when space permits. But I still think it's a shame that the S gauge 'providers' cannot at least match, if not improve upon, the small turning circles of the larger sized O gauge O-27 & O-31 rolling stock. Or, to word my grumbling another way, why should I have to nail down rickety old Pikemaster track, or stuggle with bending Gargraves, when the O gauge guys can simply buy a box of new Rail King track, (http://www.mth-railking.com/catalogs/2000_vol1/railking/40-1002.htm) snap it together, and have a portable but reliable layout, in a small space. - Jim Ingram <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 <><> 1738 E. Third St, PMB 357 <><>Williamsport PA 17701-3868 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> Web Page Design Services: http://www.track2.com/mac/web <><> Central PA train shows: http://www.track2.com/pa <><> Central PA dance groups: http://www.track2.com/dance <><> Macintosh Beige G3/266, OS 8.6, Cable Modem, Epson Stylus 800 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> "You recommend Macs to your friends, <><> and Intel machines to those whom you don't mind billing by the hour." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6919	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?

>> Message: 11 (Digest 518) >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:18:38 -0600 >> From: "Mellon, Jay E." <jmellon@...> >> Subject: S Equipment/Short Radium Turns >> >> Jim, >> >> You might want to consider the industrial switch engine which Putt >> Trains (I >> think, if memory serves me right) used to offer as a starter item. >> I don't >> know what the turn radius specification is, but it might be worth >> checking >> out. Hope this helps. >> >> 'S'incerely, >> Jay Mellon >> New Orleans, LA Somebody in the North Penn S Gaugers (joe b) has a Putt trolley. As I recall, he told me that their drive mechanisms were horribly poor, essentially junk. QUESTION: Does anybody else out there have any experience with the reliability of the Putt drive mechanisms ? Thanks. - Jim Ingram <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 <><> 1738 E. Third St, PMB 357 <><>Williamsport PA 17701-3868 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> Web Page Design Services: http://www.track2.com/mac/web <><> Central PA train shows: http://www.track2.com/pa <><> Central PA dance groups: http://www.track2.com/dance <><> Macintosh Beige G3/266, OS 8.6, Cable Modem, Epson Stylus 800 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> "You recommend Macs to your friends, <><> and Intel machines to those whom you don't mind billing by the hour." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6920	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II

In answer to 2. Question 2 below, what we have is flex track by several makers and also to be release by S Helper Service for less than 19" radius. American Models offers flex track code .148 that should meet your requirements for smaller radius and handle American Flyer@ equipment. I suggest stripping a 4 by 8 to table size, giving it a coat of earth like color for dirt areas, gray where you want the track (to simulate ballast), green for grass areas and than tack down the track. It should be small enough to carry to a show and one person to handle. No legs needed, since it is now the size of the table. You could also split the train board in half (length wise) and mate the two sections at the show. I have a similiar setup for my Christmas Tree G layout, basic brown and gray for ballast area and in two sections. It should be easier to assemble on a show table than mine is on a living room rug. Mine is 4 X 8 with corners rounded to help fit with furniture. As for the RAILKING@ stuff, I checked the site and the RAILTRACK@ is 31", would that not be too big for a table?? I presume that is diameter versus radius, right, I don't know and am asking the question in all seriousness as normally I work in radii . They did not give a size for the TINPLATE@ stuff. JamesIngram@... wrote: > From: JamesIngram@... > > I want to say THANKS to all the people, on-list and off-list, who > took time to make comments about my original "ranting'. > > >> Message: 7 (Digest #518) > >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:56:04 -0800 > >> From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > >> Subject: S track diameter > >> > >> James > >> > >> I have to disagree with your statement that track diameter is a > >> major hindrance to 'S'. In fact I feel that if such a new smaller > >> track diameter was introduced it would in fact be the opposite. I > > >> can see your need for a smaller track diameter is to suit a niche > >> market, one like yours for display purposes. I can't honestly see > >> large numbers of people new into 'S' wishing to set up on table > tops > >> all the time. The greatest danger will be when these 'new' people > >> wish to advance to larger engines and longer rolling stock only to > >> find that it will be impossible to run them through these curves. > >> The only solution will be to scrap this road system for another! > > > 1.The above statements, I essentially do not disagree > with. > > However, consider this scenerio: Let's try to > imagine the hypothetical 'new' person that you > mentioned above, who started with this hypothetical > "S-27" (27" diameter S ga. curve system), > contemplating the 27 inch diameter curves on his > layout, and finding himself in exactly the dangerous > predicament you described. > > Try to imagine this person, glaring at his layout, > muttering to himself, "Damn . . my new 2-10-10-2 > articulated can't make it through these S-27 curves. > Now I'm going to have to go buy another box of > that S-Trax in a larger diameter." > > 2.QUESTION #1: Might not we prefer the > above-described dilemma, occurring as an S-gauge > dilemma, then to have this 'new' person start in > some other gauge,because his maximum space or > aspirations at that time required a smaller-than-40" > diameter circle?? > > 3.If this 'new' person starts out in O-27, then tries to > change to running the longer, scale length O gauge > equipment, he is going to have the same problem. > But by then, he will be in the midst of solving an > O-gauge dilemma, which won't help us any for > growing S gauge. > > <snip> > >> If we had such track available the end result would be that we are > >> no better than the Lionel clan whose product falls into the 'Toy > >> Train' bracket with no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate > >> stock. I always thought that Flyer stood for realism and that the > >> likes of 'S-Helper and AM' are continuing this tradition. > <snip> > > . > > 1.The "no better than Lionel clan" reminds me of an interesting > story I heard just this week. A volunteer for the > Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg told us > that MTH is providing the trains for the museum's > new O gauge display. MTH offered the museum the > choice of the Premier (no compromises, full scale) > or the Rail King (the stubby stuff that gets around > the sharp curves). > > He said the museum chose the Rail King, because > they did not have the space for the Premier. > > 2.QUESTION 2-- Sooooo . . . In S gauge we have > our Premier equivalent (S Helper in my opinion, you > can substitute your own favorite manufacturer). But > as for the Rail King equivalent in S gauge, what do > we have ???? > > Putting the same question a different way, as S > gaugers, do we want to stay 'pure' (larger, more > realistic curves or nothing), or have some > compromises and possibly attract more people. > > 3.As for the pitfalls of "no consistency on scale and > dis-proportionate stock", I think this should-be and > could-be be avoided with our hypothetical S-27 > curves. A boxcab or docksider should require no > "compromise of scale" to be capable of negotiating a > 27" diameter curve, nor would modest-length cars. > > Just picture a scaled-down version of the LGB > 0-4-0, which I believe looks reasonably close to > scale. The only possible "fudging" required might be > with the coupler linkages. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > 4.A possible parallel (the validity of which you might > debate), might be personal computer operating > systems. > > We Macintosh fans will generally argue that the > closely-controlled-by-Apple, relatively > uncompromised Macintosh system (like S gauge) is > the more robust and better functioning of the two > systems, with fewer compromises than the relative > chaos of the Windows world (substitute O gauge > here, complete with sharp corners, stubby engines, > waaay too tall gearing, incompatabile sound systems > {MTH protosounds vs Lionel command control} > plus an unprototypical 3rd rail), but, in both cases, > we all know which system dominates in terms of > sheer numbers. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > 5.In summary, I think there's no debate that we should > use the biggest radius possible when space permits. > But I still think it's a shame that the S gauge > 'providers' cannot at least match, if not improve > upon, the small turning circles of the larger sized O > gauge O-27 & O-31 rolling stock. > > Or, to word my grumbling another way, why should I > have to nail down rickety old Pikemaster track, or > stuggle with bending Gargraves, when the O gauge > guys can simply buy a box of new Rail King track, > > (http://www.mth-railking.com/catalogs/2000_vol1/railking/40-1002.htm) > snap it together, and have a portable but reliable > layout, in a small space. > > - Jim Ingram > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 > <><> 1738 E. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6921	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: X-29 - Revell Bakery

For you X-29 fans out there, The Nov. '98 MR'er (p. 117) reports that many X-29's received sheet metal patches along the bottom of the side sheathing, starting in the WWII period. They show a technique using metal foil, about 12" wide, to duplicate this feature on your model. The Dec. '95 RMC shows a meat packing company that is very similar in size and style to the famous Revell Bakery, that is so easily converted to S. It is the Cudahy Packing Co. in Rockford, Illinois. Was there not a Cudahy reefer? In S? Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6922	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trestle Set

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=247905729 American Flyer Trestle Set 26pc + 2 Item #247905729 American Flyer Trestle Set. This is a 26 piece set that has tops that fit both the ���T��� rail track or pike master track. There are also 2 extra high trestles included for a total of 28 trestles. Think this is #26790. I found this on e-Bay. It goes in 1 day, 12 hours. The price is up to $20.50. Good luck, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6923	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?

I have two Putt trolleys that I run on DC, so that I can reverse them. One observation is that the can motors run more smoothly in one direction than another. I also had to remove the machine screws that hold the plastic truck assemblies together, and replace them with screws, washers, and nuts. Otherwise, the trucks would shift around and the little phosphor bronze springs wouldn't make reliable contact with the wheels, which act as pickups. Other than that, they seem to run nicely and reliably, but then again I don't use them intensively, so I have no long term "data" to share. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6924	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?

I have two Putt trolleys that I run on DC, so that I can reverse them. One observation is that the can motors run more smoothly in one direction than another. I also had to remove the machine screws that hold the plastic truck assemblies together, and replace them with screws, washers, and nuts. Otherwise, the trucks would shift around and the little phosphor bronze springs wouldn't make reliable contact with the wheels, which act as pickups. Other than that, they seem to run nicely and reliably, but then again I don't use them intensively, so I have no long term "data" to share. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6925	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: A couple of points.

I write this letter as a long-time modeler who remembers a lot about the development of model railroading, particularly with respect to AC Gilbert 'O', 'S', and 'HO' gauges and remember how 'HO' gauge came to the forefront in the postwar (World War II) United States. The first HO models attracted the attention of serious model railroaders at first for one big reason: the possibility that a good scale layout could be put up in a minimal area. I bought my first HO gauge locomotive, a Varney GM F unit, as a kit in the early 50s, put it together, and painted it for my fictional "Schuylkill Valley Line." (This name survives as the name for my future 'S' gauge layout. SVL happens to be the first initials of my wife, Sylvia; mother, Velma; and father, Luther.) 'HO' did not take off with the occasional modeler until the mid-fifties when Atlas introduced "Snap Track" sectional track. The scale operators, of course, used flex track or hand laid "tie for tie and spike for spike" for their layouts, but this approach was not too adaptable to "around the tree" operation. The introduction of the Atlas track system was, in my opinion, the most important innovation to make 'HO' the most popular gauge. Scale stuff generally operated as well on Atlas track as it did on flex track. The scale operators had something small enough that they could operate a reasonably scale layout in the basement or the attic of their smallish post-war homes. And mom and pop could buy 'HO' gauge stuff for their kids that could get them started in model railroading. Of course, many of these kids graduated into 'HO' scale as they got older. Even my dad and I, old-time 'O-S' and 'S' enthusiasts that we were, got into 'HO' when he bought himself a Tyco "General" and gave me a Gilbert 0-6-0 switcher for Christmas sometime in the late fifties. 'HO' got so strong that I almost converted. When Sylvia and I had our first Christmas together in 1966 I began putting up my 'HO' stuff. Sylvia found my 'S' gauge box and asked me why I was not putting up the "big" trains. At the time I only had a few sections of track down. Within half an hour I had a circle of 'S' gauge (Gilbert) track laid and had my 322 Hudson on the track. So in response to Jim Ingram's letter regarding rail curves, perhaps we should look for an organization like Atlas to manufacture sectional track that could accommodate scale and high rail equipment without any problems. Of course, questions regarding required curve radii would need to be resolved. Obviously an 0-4-0 or industrial type locomotive would take a smaller radius than a Pacific, Consolidation, or Northern. (I don't mention diesels because I know too little about them.) Another point that I wish to address is the question of "cement" and "glue." During my childhood we model builders referred to the "stuff" that we used to hold the parts of (wooden) models together as "model airplane glue." At some point I discovered that Testors and Ambroid referred to their "model airplane glue" as "cement." The term "glue" stuck, while "cement" remained a name that some manufacturers preferred to call their products. Later, after I became a technical writer, I wrote on a visual landing aids standardization document for airfields for the U.S. Navy. When I got to the simulated flight deck standards I discovered that the paving requirement for the simulated flight deck called for Portland Cement Concrete (PCC). Cement is the name for a constituent part of the concrete. So to call the stuff used for the foundation of your home or other construction "cement" is, technically speaking, wrong. Now for a question. I have a model Mack "Bulldog" (chain drive) van that I want to make into a Railroad Express Agency (REA) truck. The question is does anyone know the base color of these trucks? I am colorblind, and have trouble distinguishing blues and greens with each other and with purples and browns. I always thought that they were dark green, but I also thought the UPS vans of the present day were dark green. I happened to see one of the UPS trucks this morning and told my wife that I thought it was dark green. She informed me that it was brown. Thus the question. A second question that relates to this problem is that the truck is made of that damned soft vinyl that does not like to take paint. Does anyone out there know of a base coat that could be used as a primer that would allow me to paint the thing? I have a fleet of these trucks that I bought in a box many years ago and would like to use them on my planned layout if I could only paint the bodies some color that looks decent. Thanks for your help. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6926	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: PRS STEPS

Chris I've just used the pin to back up the "straight" arm of the step. I suppose you could use a triangle but you'd have less area of contact between the step and the reinforcing pin, so you would still be relying on the attachment between the plastic step and the plastic car side, which is the weak point of the attachment. Tom Gerbasi Chris Z. wrote Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:14:34 -0500 From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Subject: fragile steps Tom Gerbasi wrote: >Pacific Rail Shop cars, especially on the 50 foot boxcars, I find the stirrup steps are >especially fragile. I have gotten around this by drilling a hole into the bottom of the >car behind the step and inserting a piece of fine stiff wire (piano wire is good, but a >shirt pin works fine). I attach the pin to the car body and the step. Tom: Are you making it into an angle piece, supporting the step with a triangle formed by the step, the pin and the floor of the car? Chris Z. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6927	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points.

With today's computer games and other attractions and parents who did not grow up with model trains, we may get the observation at a show with a smaller track, but would we get the sales that we are trying to establish for the manufacturers like S Helper and others? If a kid sees a train today, is he/she more likely to throw a rock or something else at it? Is he/she with an impatient parent at a railcrossing blocked by a train?? Unfortunately, today's kids have a whole lot of other things to play with that do not expand their imagination as much as a train set would and the only time a kid may hear about a train is when a wreck or derailment happens. From what I read, they do not even put railroading as part of a transportation course at college!! "W. Thomas Boussum" wrote: > From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <euler@...> > > I write this letter as a long-time modeler who remembers a lot > > about the development of model railroading, particularly with respect > to > AC Gilbert 'O', 'S', and 'HO' gauges and remember how 'HO' gauge came > to > the forefront in the postwar (World War II) United States. The first > HO > models attracted the attention of serious model railroaders at first > for > one big reason: the possibility that a good scale layout could be put > up > in a minimal area. I bought my first HO gauge locomotive, a Varney GM > F > unit, as a kit in the early 50s, put it together, and painted it for > my > fictional "Schuylkill Valley Line." (This name survives as the name > for > my future 'S' gauge layout. SVL happens to be the first initials of > my > wife, Sylvia; mother, Velma; and father, Luther.) > 'HO' did not take off with the occasional modeler until the > mid-fifties when Atlas introduced "Snap Track" sectional track. The > scale operators, of course, used flex track or hand laid "tie for tie > and spike for spike" for their layouts, but this approach was not too > adaptable to "around the tree" operation. The introduction of the > Atlas > track system was, in my opinion, the most important innovation to make > > 'HO' the most popular gauge. Scale stuff generally operated as well > on > Atlas track as it did on flex track. The scale operators had > something > small enough that they could operate a reasonably scale layout in the > basement or the attic of their smallish post-war homes. And mom and > pop > could buy 'HO' gauge stuff for their kids that could get them started > in > model railroading. Of course, many of these kids graduated into 'HO' > scale as they got older. > Even my dad and I, old-time 'O-S' and 'S' enthusiasts that we > were, got into 'HO' when he bought himself a Tyco "General" and gave > me > a Gilbert 0-6-0 switcher for Christmas sometime in the late fifties. > 'HO' got so strong that I almost converted. When Sylvia and I had our > > first Christmas together in 1966 I began putting up my 'HO' stuff. > Sylvia found my 'S' gauge box and asked me why I was not putting up > the > "big" trains. At the time I only had a few sections of track down. > Within half an hour I had a circle of 'S' gauge (Gilbert) track laid > and > had my 322 Hudson on the track. > So in response to Jim Ingram's letter regarding rail curves, > perhaps we should look for an organization like Atlas to manufacture > sectional track that could accommodate scale and high rail equipment > without any problems. Of course, questions regarding required curve > radii would need to be resolved. Obviously an 0-4-0 or industrial > type > locomotive would take a smaller radius than a Pacific, Consolidation, > or > Northern. (I don't mention diesels because I know too little about > them.) > Another point that I wish to address is the question of > "cement" > and "glue." During my childhood we model builders referred to the > "stuff" that we used to hold the parts of (wooden) models together as > "model airplane glue." At some point I discovered that Testors and > Ambroid referred to their "model airplane glue" as "cement." The term > > "glue" stuck, while "cement" remained a name that some manufacturers > preferred to call their products. > Later, after I became a technical writer, I wrote on a visual > landing aids standardization document for airfields for the U.S. > Navy. > When I got to the simulated flight deck standards I discovered that > the > paving requirement for the simulated flight deck called for Portland > Cement Concrete (PCC). Cement is the name for a constituent part of > the > concrete. So to call the stuff used for the foundation of your home > or > other construction "cement" is, technically speaking, wrong. > Now for a question. I have a model Mack "Bulldog" (chain > drive) > van that I want to make into a Railroad Express Agency (REA) truck. > The > question is does anyone know the base color of these trucks? I am > colorblind, and have trouble distinguishing blues and greens with each > > other and with purples and browns. I always thought that they were > dark > green, but I also thought the UPS vans of the present day were dark > green. I happened to see one of the UPS trucks this morning and told > my > wife that I thought it was dark green. She informed me that it was > brown. Thus the question. > A second question that relates to this problem is that the > truck > is made of that damned soft vinyl that does not like to take paint. > Does anyone out there know of a base coat that could be used as a > primer > that would allow me to paint the thing? I have a fleet of these > trucks > that I bought in a box many years ago and would like to use them on my > > planned layout if I could only paint the bodies some color that looks > decent. > Thanks for your help. > W. Thomas Boussum > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6928	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: small radius track

I think this need for a smaller radius curved track has not been thought through. What good would it do anyone to have track like that? it couldn't support any flyer diesels unless you cut the steps off GP-7's and Baldwins; Flyer passenger cars wouldn't run on it. Hudsons, Pacifics, 0-8-0's wouldn't run on it. A flyer operator would be pretty much limited to Atlantics and possibly 0-6-0's for motive power. (The Docksiders are too unreliable to plan a layout around). The Atlantics are obviously built for steam commuter operations, yet they could pull no passenger cars on that track except possibly the old time coaches. Flyer switches would fit awkwardly: they would increase the minimum radius whereever used. So the typical Flyer railroader could only use this track for a freight branch line and would only order at most a dozen pieces. It would not be in our best interests to push a manufacturer to make a product with such limited potential sales. I question also whether this would be a good way to promote S gauge. Tiny loops that could only show a very limited selection of rolling stock are not the best way to make our gauge look good. What sells our kind of trains is height length weight speed smoke color action lights realism/plausibility and above all, noise! (or should I say "sound"). For display, it would be better to build a wider platform designed to sit on top of a 30" wide trade table. Furthermore, I think that you fail to appreciate one of Flyer's greatest strengths: the beautiful proportions of their trains. While passenger cars were shortened from 80+ scale feet to about 67, this is hardly noticeable. These cars still give the impression of being "long". No other items were shortened except passenger cars. Though the longest rolling stock does overhang curves, it doesn't look ridiculous when doing so. Lionel, though 0-27 is smaller radius, looks like and always did look like , CHEESE BOXES ON WHEELS, with most rolling stock shortened lowered and even narrowed. That kind of look is where this kind of thinking leads. Next you'll be asking for 3 rail track.* *(just kidding!!!) TOM JARCHO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6929	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part II

Do not make the mistake of assuming you need to stay within the 30" table size. Our plywood base is about 36" wide and easily sits on a 30" table. If you need to be really sure it doesn't move add a couple cleats just over 30" apart under the plywood to lock it from sliding too much. We find lengthwise sliding to be non existant, but the kids do like to lean against the edge and the front edge usually ends up flush with tsble edge. "Michael A. Scivoletti" wrote: > > From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> > > In answer to 2. Question 2 below, what we have is flex track by > several makers and also to be release by S Helper Service for less than > 19" radius. American Models offers flex track code .148 that should meet > your requirements for smaller radius and handle American Flyer@ > equipment. > I suggest stripping a 4 by 8 to table size, giving it a coat of > earth like color for dirt areas, gray where you want the track (to > simulate ballast), green for grass areas and than tack down the track. > It should be small enough to carry to a show and one person to handle. > No legs needed, since it is now the size of the table. You could also > split the train board in half (length wise) and mate the two sections at > the show. I have a similiar setup for my Christmas Tree G layout, basic > brown and gray for ballast area and in two sections. It should be easier > to assemble on a show table than mine is on a living room rug. Mine is 4 > X 8 with corners rounded to help fit with furniture. > As for the RAILKING@ stuff, I checked the site and the RAILTRACK@ is > 31", would that not be too big for a table?? I presume that is diameter > versus radius, right, I don't know and am asking the question in all > seriousness as normally I work in radii . They did not give a size for > the TINPLATE@ stuff. > > JamesIngram@... wrote: > > > From: JamesIngram@... > > > > I want to say THANKS to all the people, on-list and off-list, who > > took time to make comments about my original "ranting'. > > > > >> Message: 7 (Digest #518) > > >> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 20:56:04 -0800 > > >> From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > > >> Subject: S track diameter > > >> > > >> James > > >> > > >> I have to disagree with your statement that track diameter is a > > >> major hindrance to 'S'. In fact I feel that if such a new smaller > > >> track diameter was introduced it would in fact be the opposite. I > > > > >> can see your need for a smaller track diameter is to suit a niche > > >> market, one like yours for display purposes. I can't honestly see > > >> large numbers of people new into 'S' wishing to set up on table > > tops > > >> all the time. The greatest danger will be when these 'new' people > > >> wish to advance to larger engines and longer rolling stock only to > > >> find that it will be impossible to run them through these curves. > > >> The only solution will be to scrap this road system for another! > > > > > > 1.The above statements, I essentially do not disagree > > with. > > > > However, consider this scenerio: Let's try to > > imagine the hypothetical 'new' person that you > > mentioned above, who started with this hypothetical > > "S-27" (27" diameter S ga. curve system), > > contemplating the 27 inch diameter curves on his > > layout, and finding himself in exactly the dangerous > > predicament you described. > > > > Try to imagine this person, glaring at his layout, > > muttering to himself, "Damn . . my new 2-10-10-2 > > articulated can't make it through these S-27 curves. > > Now I'm going to have to go buy another box of > > that S-Trax in a larger diameter." > > > > 2.QUESTION #1: Might not we prefer the > > above-described dilemma, occurring as an S-gauge > > dilemma, then to have this 'new' person start in > > some other gauge,because his maximum space or > > aspirations at that time required a smaller-than-40" > > diameter circle?? > > > > 3.If this 'new' person starts out in O-27, then tries to > > change to running the longer, scale length O gauge > > equipment, he is going to have the same problem. > > But by then, he will be in the midst of solving an > > O-gauge dilemma, which won't help us any for > > growing S gauge. > > > > <snip> > > >> If we had such track available the end result would be that we are > > >> no better than the Lionel clan whose product falls into the 'Toy > > >> Train' bracket with no consistency on scale and dis-proportionate > > >> stock. I always thought that Flyer stood for realism and that the > > >> likes of 'S-Helper and AM' are continuing this tradition. > > <snip> > > > > . > > > > 1.The "no better than Lionel clan" reminds me of an interesting > > story I heard just this week. A volunteer for the > > Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg told us > > that MTH is providing the trains for the museum's > > new O gauge display. MTH offered the museum the > > choice of the Premier (no compromises, full scale) > > or the Rail King (the stubby stuff that gets around > > the sharp curves). > > > > He said the museum chose the Rail King, because > > they did not have the space for the Premier. > > > > 2.QUESTION 2-- Sooooo . . . In S gauge we have > > our Premier equivalent (S Helper in my opinion, you > > can substitute your own favorite manufacturer). But > > as for the Rail King equivalent in S gauge, what do > > we have ???? > > > > Putting the same question a different way, as S > > gaugers, do we want to stay 'pure' (larger, more > > realistic curves or nothing), or have some > > compromises and possibly attract more people. > > > > 3.As for the pitfalls of "no consistency on scale and > > dis-proportionate stock", I think this should-be and > > could-be be avoided with our hypothetical S-27 > > curves. A boxcab or docksider should require no > > "compromise of scale" to be capable of negotiating a > > 27" diameter curve, nor would modest-length cars. > > > > Just picture a scaled-down version of the LGB > > 0-4-0, which I believe looks reasonably close to > > scale. The only possible "fudging" required might be > > with the coupler linkages. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > 4.A possible parallel (the validity of which you might > > debate), might be personal computer operating > > systems. > > > > We Macintosh fans will generally argue that the > > closely-controlled-by-Apple, relatively > > uncompromised Macintosh system (like S gauge) is > > the more robust and better functioning of the two > > systems, with fewer compromises than the relative > > chaos of the Windows world (substitute O gauge > > here, complete with sharp corners, stubby engines, > > waaay too tall gearing, incompatabile sound systems > > {MTH protosounds vs Lionel command control} > > plus an unprototypical 3rd rail), but, in both cases, > > we all know which system dominates in terms of > > sheer numbers. > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > 5.In summary, I think there's no debate that we should > > use the biggest radius possible when space permits. > > But I still think it's a shame that the S gauge > > 'providers' cannot at least match, if not improve > > upon, the small turning circles of the larger sized O > > gauge O-27 & O-31 rolling stock. > > > > Or, to word my grumbling another way, why should I > > have to nail down rickety old Pikemaster track, or > > stuggle with bending Gargraves, when the O gauge > > guys can simply buy a box of new Rail King track, > > > > (http://www.mth-railking.com/catalogs/2000_vol1/railking/40-1002.htm) > > snap it together, and have a portable but reliable > > layout, in a small space. > > > > - Jim Ingram > > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > <><> James R. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6930	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points.

In a message dated 2/5/00 12:02:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, euler@... writes: << perhaps we should look for an organization like Atlas to manufacture sectional track that could accommodate scale and high rail equipment without any problems >> The S Helper track is scale sized and accommodates hirail equipment. It matches anything made in HO scale for quality or realism. In my opinion, it is the most important development for S scale since American Models introduced the FP-7. John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6931	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: A couple of points

Hi S Gaugers, Couple of points---take my support also for a manufacturer of track. Needs to work easily with conventional flyer track and accessories. Also giving tinplaters a variety of switching and operational ability. Such as different radius turnouts; multiple selection on crossovers (all told, the same variety as those enjoyed by HO folks). Otherwise, this gauge for operators will continue to suffer from a handicap that no-one seems to want to believe is there-including myself. I hope this isn't overstated, but that's how I feel about it--for the last 30 years!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6932	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points

As someone who is trying to build a scale layout let me state this clearly: Track is a pain in the butt. It is enough to send me back to N scale! John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6933	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Track

Actually Atlas displayed S gauge sectional track at a trade show in the 50's or early 60's. They decided that it was not worth putting into production. I don't understand what Atlas could do today that isn't being done by S Helper. Turnouts are coming; other items will follow. If they add a 90' crossing, they'll already have much more variety than Flyer ever made. Plus, it matches Flyer geometry and mates with Flyer. I wish we could get more done on the pure scale side, but that's not where the major market is. I'm sure we'll see more, but it'll take time and it won't come from Atlas. They've gone into the O scale market. The track is all 3-rail. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6934	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Seaboard Coaler

I was in a hobby shop in Manassass Virginia today. When checking out the man noticed I was buying S scale stuff so he asked me did I have a Seaboard Coaler. I told him no because I could not afford one. He told me he knew one I could afford. He showed me a brand new MTH catalog and sure enough they are advertising a metal reproduction Seaboard Coal Loader for $150. There was a picture and it appears to be a reproduction of the #785 loader. He did not know when it was due to be out. I will be placing an order. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6935	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points

----- Original Message ----- From: <RRDART@...> To: <KtRdd@...>; <s-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A couple of points > As someone who is trying to build a scale layout let me state this clearly: > Track is a pain in the butt. It is enough to send me back to N scale! > John Howdy John Perhaps it is a sore subject, but what specifically is the track problem you are facing? Thanks, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6936	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler

In a message dated 2/5/00 9:15:18 PM, abeachy@... writes: << He showed me a brand new MTH catalog and sure enough they are advertising a metal reproduction Seaboard Coal Loader for $150. There was a picture and it appears to be a reproduction of the #785 loader. He did not know when it was due to be out. I will be placing an order. >> An affordable reproduction of an AF coal loader is good news, if true. BTW, the Seaboard is Nos. 752 and 752A. The No. 785 is the later and somewhat closer to scale coal loader. Which one is MTH supposedly repro'ing? RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6937	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Question-Any Experience w/Putt drive mechanisms?

I own a Putt Trolley and have had a few problems with it. It is very noisy. But it is a neat lookin little trolley. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6938	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: RailMaster

John sent me two e-mails to my lady friends E-mail because that is were I sent him my messages about ordering a power train for my RS-3 kit. My e-mail address was in the text. My question about the VT shop kit brought a lot of response. It is a hard kit to build, but I was advised to add to the decking. Sorry if I lost some of your e-mails. I went off line in Netscape and could not get on line after three reinstallations. I imported most of my book marks to Exporer. Be carefull or this could happen to you. Jim Sleeth aztecfan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6939	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler

In a message dated 2/5/00 11:02:42 PM, RBubeck327@... writes: << BTW, the Seaboard is Nos. 752 and 752A. The No. 785 is the later and somewhat closer to scale coal loader. Which one is MTH supposedly repro'ing? >> The answer to my own question is the 785, as I found out on the aol MTH board. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6940	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler

Umm, how about a URL? mth.com didn't work. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6941	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/5/2000
Subject: Re: Seaboard Coaler

This is the site, but I haven't found the coaler yet. http://www.mth-railking.com/ This is also a good place to find train links http://www.americaninternet.com/nyswths/links.htm eric kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dewey <djdewey@...> To: <RBubeck327@...>; <abeachy@...>; <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Seaboard Coaler > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > > Umm, how about a URL? mth.com didn't work. > S' > David D. > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Valentine's Day Shopping Made Simple. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine7 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6942	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: A couple of points

How many of you have looked closely at the new track system by 'American S-gauge' ? It looks like it answers an awful lot of questions. OK, it doesn't mate up with Flyer track but then why would you want to? http://trainweb.com/crocon/strack.html Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6943	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: 785 Coaler by MTH

All I can say is this! http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6944	From: Brady Burdge	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Flyer Coal Loader

You can find a photo of the MTH coal loader at http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg and the same dealers complete MTH list at http://www.cyber-rail.com/00vol2.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6945	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS

PURCHASED A SET OF CHROME PASSENGER CARS. WINDOWS HAVE CLEAR FILM WITH FIGURES ON THEM. MY QUESTION IS THAT EACH CAR HAS TWO PIECES OF PAPER STAPLED TOGETHER BENT IN A U SHAPE AND PLACED BETWEEN THE BULB AND THE WINDOW FILMS ACTING A A LIGHT DIFFUSER. DOES THIS PAPER BELONG THERE???ALSO I SEE ADVERTISED A WINDOW FILM WHICH IS FROSTED AND HAS FIGURES ON IT. WOULD THIS BE BETTER???THANKS TO ALL WHO ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION.S-GAUGERS SEEM TO BE THE NICEST PEOPLE. I ALSO DO ENJOY OBSERVING SOME OF THE "FAMILY" DISAGREEMENTS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6946	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Small Spaces for the A-F Trains

Hi All <jde here> This is for all the Guys and Gals that want to set up in a small area ! I live in a Apt and I wanted to train with A-F in order to keep me and my family happy I had to come up with something that would satisfy all and this is what I have done to Date with the help from the members and lot's of Study and advice. My Board is made out of a cork Notice Board I picked up from the Military sell out Auct for twenty Bucks it has a metal frame around the Board the initial size is 4 x 6 feet and Dark Brown in color. In order for me to install my A-F I had to add 1 Foot to the 4' making it a 5' x 6' Board what I have done is tolay the board on a Small Kitchen Table and support the Board on the Back of the Sofa against the the west wall of the living room Now the the nice part is I can lift the Board up and and stand it against the wall at any Tyme for Company or in the summer tyme whatever. and I can swivil the Board to work on the Trestle Bridge and track work Etc. My lay out consists of 6 A-F Flyer Switches 4 Power and two manual /1 Rerailer/17 Curved <1Pike curved Track> 15 Pike Master Straight track < 3 of these are A_F Track> located on the west wall on my wooden trestle Bridge I cut a Bunch of 1/4 x 1/4 Ties and stained the atached Ties to my Older A-F Track and it looks Great I layed H.O Cork Road bed for all the Track and it runs real quiet so i can here the proper sounds My Layout consists of the Following Pattern 1 Large Oval with the 3 Straights for the Length The main line has a 2 Power switch at the small ends of the oval Then I added another 2 Power switches to give me my Passenger Station and access to a freight Siding wich I added with the other switch I also added a Manual switch with the Rerailer at the front of the layout all this on a 5' X 6' Board! so you see a small area can be fun and challenging so please don't get discouraged just put a bit of thought into what you wish to do make it portable and Challenging the only Differance between the Really large layout and mine little one is They have more Straight Track to clean:) Back to Trains sorry to be so windy but I know this has been a serious problem for a lot of folks who are limited in their space! And all the Books and Tapes and Instructions never actually Tackled the gut of the Small area and Believe me I read them all, The closest one I came across is the How to Build a MODEL RAILROAD by Marshall Mclintock if you can get this Book by all means please do so as it will be your right hand. Thanks for the listen jde John/Denholm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6947	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: And one more thing too

Ya know guys I have decided that the thing that has held S gauge together this far, is that we are only around other S gaugers 3 or 4 days a year normally. This is like the Express Lane at Wal Mart, sign says 10 items or less, and here comes some one with a cart full, well it is either a Math major that can't read or an English major that can't count..... Come on ya complain about the track, ya got about four choices, in scale we have about four more.........and all of a sudden you are wanting these super small curves....what is the goal here , about a 10 inch circle and a engine with the trucks turned sideways spinning around. Until you get to the Northern, AF looks pretty good in curves, much better than 027 operation....the Northern requires extra care in the clearance field, making sure the pilot or the cab doesn't hit something. It is easy enough to pull cars across AF curves as they are, smaller even worse. We have more in S gauge today than any time in history, about the only thing left is RTR shipped without boxes. And it never fails to amaze me, someone needs a wigget, 15 emails about what wigget you really need, Doug Peck says hey I have those in stock for $3......then an email thanking everyone and ending saying maybe I'll work on it next year if I can find the part. The death knell for S gauge, is going to come from the time spent on the computer......the older we get the better we were....... So let the emails start......and if I don't reply real quick, I might be in the basement. Gale Hall ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6948	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer Coal Loader

> From: "Brady Burdge" <burdgeb@...> > > You can find a photo of the MTH coal loader at > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > and the same dealers complete MTH list at > http://www.cyber-rail.com/00vol2.htm > I notice that it says that it will not be available until October. The dimensions printed don't seem right though. It says it's 9-1/2" x 8" x 12". The original Flyer version has a 5" square base and is 14-1/4" tall. Do you suppose that the MTH clamshell will work on the original Flyer loaders?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6949	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: And one more thing too

In a message dated 2/6/00 11:07:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, gale_hall@... writes: << We have more in S gauge today than any time in history, >> As I review my note and BIlly's question about what my track issues are I can almost hear Lydia Soprano saying "Oh poor you!" It is very true that we have MUCH more than we ever had in the past. I remember Sam Powell suggesting that I use the flex track that was available (one brand) rather than the Miller tie strip because it would be faster. We have 2 brands of code 100 flex track just about type of turnout and crossing that one could desire from BTS already gauged and waiting for the ties. Bantamodelworks has several that are already spiked in place....... So what are my issues? I guess really they stem less from what's available when I think about it, then the unwieldy nature of trying to lay out 48" and 52" radii turns. The beauty of N scale is that you could cut even broad turns in a standard sized poster board for use as a template. -John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6950	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: and one more thing too

What beauty of N scale? Who over 45 yrs old can even see that tiny stuff? Working on an N loco is microsurgery.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6951	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: MTH Coaler

I'll have to swing by the hobby shop and check this out! I always thought that the 752/752A/785's were the most awesome accessory ever made by any train manufacturer. The clamshell bucket/solenoid assembly has to have many collectors and operators drooling. There must be 100's of coalers out there awaiting this key assembly to complete their restoration. Has anyone contacted MTH to see if the clamshell bucket assembly will be offered for separate sale as a repair part? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6952	From: Walt Gay	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH

Kinda looks like a toy!!<G> Neil Trump wrote: > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > > All I can say is this! > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine5 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6953	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track Issues (was... And one more thing too

RRDART@... wrote: > So what are my issues? > I guess really they stem less from what's available when I think about it, > then the unwieldy nature of trying to lay out 48" and 52" radii turns. The > beauty of N scale is that you could cut even broad turns in a standard sized > poster board for use as a template. > > -John Howdy John You can still use a standard sheet of poster board for templates, you just need to go from corner to corner and you will not get as many from a single sheet. You may wish to use a four-ply mat board as it is stronger than poster board. On my last layout, I used my camera tripod and a 6-foot long 1x2 as a compass. Drill pencil-sized holes at appropriate spots on the length of wood, then add a screw to the other end that fits into the tripod hole. As with everything in life, there are goods and bads.... it is good that S is large, but occasionally that causes some interesting challenges! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6954	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: posting

Dennis to reply to a received e-mail on the S-trains list just click on Reply, then in the COPY TO: block type in S-Trains@onelist.com. Your e-mail will go to the originator of the e-mail and on the list to all list members. To originate your own e-mail for the S-Trains list click on the write icon and in the SEND TO: block type in S-Trains@onelist.com, your e-mail will then be posted on the list. Adding the S-Trains e-mail address to your address book will make life a lot easier. I hope this will be of some help, I too am a newbie on the computer, I am a child of the rotary-dial telephone era. VCR's confuse the h--l out of me. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6955	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH

ALRIGHT!! Thank you for posting!!! Now I wonder what the "spare parts" will run--you know this means all those "parts basket" loaders without clamshells are now revivable!! I wonder if the roof is the same dimensions too. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6956	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS

Hi, No need to shout (all CAPS is called shouting). Yep, the paper filter belongs there. Changing the windows out is a real pain, they came many different ways, although the clear seems to be most common. I'd leave it alone. For greater realism, you can add a light blue thin paper over the original paper, makes the light appear more like it is going through tinted windows, which the full-sized cars used. When I did mine, the paper was what the laundry came back from the cleaners in (we had a resort, too much laundry to do at home--although now it is done on-site). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6957	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: WANTED: DAVE EWING

Dave Ewing, If you read this e-mail, contact me at TPDavis7@.... The ACSG's need your e-mail address to place you on the mailing list. Tom Davis, Charlote,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6958	From: James Roberts	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Track

All of this talk of how small the circle of track can be and run Gilbert American Flyer trains has led me to a question. How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? What happened when the wheels were regauged to fit the S track that made them need so much larger a curve ? I know that it looks better to not run on "street car" curves, and diesels that were not built till post WWII were never made to run on the tight curve, but all of the steamers that were made in 1940 and 1941 were still using the track that was very much like that of the L and the M people. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6959	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6960	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track

> How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? Were they 027 or standard O gauge? Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6961	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track

In a message dated 2/6/00 6:53:43 PM, jfred436@... writes: << How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? What happened when the wheels were regauged to fit the S track that made them need so much larger a curve ? >> Prewar Gilbert 3/16" scale O gauge trains ran on track very close in radius to Lionel O-42 -- > 42" being the diameter of the circle in 'Big L' terminology. Much Gilbert AF prewar will not run on O-27. Consequently, the conversion to the post war S gauge radius (giving a circle of 38 and 1/4" in diameter center to center) was fairly straight forward. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6962	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: couple of points

Hi Bill & Diane, You asked "what problem was I having with AF track??" I didn't pen that lament. My mail shows that comment directed to the group by someone else. For comment tho, I have mangled AF crossovers to place adjoining track in proximity--then there is the "same old-same old" 5" center to center for using AF switches in pairs. As all flyer operators realize, you cannot construct nice parallel switched mainline with that scenario because the track must be so separated ( but, I really love AF switches-I even wrote a story about them!). By the way, I discovered that using a coping saw with a 32 TPI blade does a great job cutting AF track and bakelite. That's for those of us without handy tools, but who at least have a bench vise. For years I used to use a hack saw---what a joke that was! Finally, when you walk into my train room, the first thing you observe is a "Lionel" girder bridge with the letters staring you in the face. Don't fret!!!!!!, I intend to flat-black those letters out of existance--it's on my list of low priority items. Too bad, someone doesn't make a current day set of "American Flyer" stuff of this sort. The only alternative is to buy the collector stuff. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6963	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Track

James, Pre-war American Flyer 3 rail 0 gauge track, for the 3/16 scale 0 gauge trains, was the same diameter as the post-war S gauge track. Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6964	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS

Paper was original equipment. gunrjoe@... wrote: > > From: gunrjoe@... > > PURCHASED A SET OF CHROME PASSENGER CARS. > WINDOWS HAVE CLEAR FILM WITH FIGURES ON THEM. > MY QUESTION IS THAT EACH CAR HAS TWO PIECES OF > PAPER STAPLED TOGETHER BENT IN A U SHAPE AND > PLACED BETWEEN THE BULB AND THE WINDOW FILMS > ACTING A A LIGHT DIFFUSER. DOES THIS PAPER BELONG > THERE???ALSO I SEE ADVERTISED A WINDOW FILM WHICH > IS FROSTED AND HAS FIGURES ON IT. WOULD THIS BE > BETTER???THANKS TO ALL WHO ANSWERED MY FIRST > QUESTION.S-GAUGERS SEEM TO BE THE NICEST PEOPLE. > I ALSO DO ENJOY OBSERVING SOME OF THE "FAMILY" DISAGREEMENTS. > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > If you want to be single again, > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine10 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6965	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders

Message: 11 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) Subject: small radius track SNIP A flyer operator would be pretty much limited to Atlantics and possibly 0-6-0's for motive power. (The Docksiders are too unreliable to plan a layout around). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------- A 20x32mm can motor will fit right into the space of the original motor and eliminate all of the design problems inherent in the docksider. I got my 21155 for Christmas 1958, and it never ran right, even after two trips to the "authorized service station" during 1959. I put a Sagami motor in it over 10 years ago and it now runs as well as any of my AF locomotives. You must have a good worm gear on the axle and a good worm when you make this conversion. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6966	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/6/2000
Subject: Docksiders

Did you come up with a replacement for that cockamamie pickup shoe arrangement too? Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6967	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: S track Dia too BIG?-Part III

1.I am pleased to say, that this topic has received more discussion than I ever hoped it would. I think it has been great! It's interesting to see the viewpoints with which different people approach this discussion of minimum track diameter, and the resulting aesthetics of how the rolling stock is going to look on it. 2.Since none of us kicking this topic around are manufacturers, what we think is probably not that critical. As many have already pointed out, the manufucturers would not make it ("it" being this small diameter 24" or 27" circle, S gauge track,{ideally with all the qualities of S Helper's S-Trax except smaller diameter}) if they don't think there is enough market. 3.At this point, we've probably discussed it sufficiently, and people are probably tired of hearing it. However . . . I can't resist making one more response--the devil made me do it--and I hope you'll forgive me. > Message: 11 [Digest 520] > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > Subject: small radius track > > I think this need for a smaller radius curved track has not been thought > through. What good would it do anyone to have track like that? it > couldn't support any flyer diesels unless you cut the steps off GP-7's and > Baldwins; Flyer passenger cars wouldn't run on it. Hudsons, Pacifics, > 0-8-0's wouldn't run on it. A flyer operator would be pretty much limited > to Atlantics and possibly 0-6-0's for motive power. (The Docksiders are > too unreliable to plan a layout around). The Atlantics are obviously built > for steam commuter operations, yet they could pull no passenger cars on > that track except possibly the old time coaches. Flyer switches would fit > awkwardly: they would increase the minimum radius whereever used. So the > typical Flyer railroader could only use this track for a freight branch > line and would only order at most a dozen pieces. It would not be in our > best interests to push a manufacturer to make a product with such limited > potential sales. <snip> Tom - 4.You seem to have a concern that conventional Flyer equipment will not run on this hypothetical small diameter S gauge track. Your viewpoint sounds to me somewhat like "if you're not running a Flyer, you're not running a train.", as I suspect is the same for many people on this list, 5.Now, I know this next statement is going to sound like sheer blasphemy, and I will probably be kicked-off this S-Trains list for making it . . but . . . "I don't care whether or not my S gauge train is a Flyer." In fact, if I demand that my S gauge train be capable of being throttled-back to a slow speed and still run smoothly, up an down grades, just like I can do with my Kato HO and my LGB largescale, this is probably going to exclude Flyer. And it's probably not fair to ask 1960's Gilbert toy-technology to perform as well as 1990's high-end Kato/LGB technology. <snip> > Furthermore, I think that you fail to appreciate one of Flyer's greatest > strengths: the beautiful proportions of their trains. While passenger > cars were shortened from 80+ scale feet to about 67, this is hardly > noticeable. These cars still give the impression of being "long". No > other items were shortened except passenger cars. Though the longest > rolling stock does overhang curves, it doesn't look ridiculous when doing > so. Lionel, though 0-27 is smaller radius, looks like and always did look > like , CHEESE BOXES ON WHEELS, with most rolling stock shortened lowered > and even narrowed. That kind of look is where this kind of thinking leads. <snip> 6.This esthetics thing, we've already "kicked it around", but I think it needs still another kick. I don't think "the cheesy look" is an immenint danger. But let's assume the worst case, and say it does happen. 7.Just for discussion purposes, let's assume a really ugly scenerio. Let's pretend Don Thompson (S Helper) or Mike Wolf (MTH) turns mentally unstable, and gets this uncontrollable urge to produce large numbers of cheesy little S gauge starter sets, complete with 24" diameter S-Trax type track and small, but correctly-scaled boxcabs and Docksider engines. 8.Allright, now this storyline is going to turn really ugly, just like reading a Stephen King horror novel. Let's assume John Q. Public steps into the local hobby shop, intending to purchase a cheesy O-27 train set for his kids. So he sees these little S gauge 24" diameter track circle starter sets sitting on the shelf, and says to himself "Whooaa . . . I was going to get a cheesy O-27 set, but look at this S gauge. It has most of the heft of the O gauge, but not the fragility of the HO and N gauge. But the engine is still scale rather than compressed. Plus it's got the 2 rail track with the built-in roadbed. It fits in an even smaller space than O-27. We can set it up on the kitchen table to get started. I'll get this S gauge for my kids instead of the 3-rail." 9.So now, in this scenerio, in addition to our "pure" S gauge consisting of the Flyer and other traditional S gauge, we have all these additional cheesy S gauge sets in the hands of the public. And next they're going to want buildings and all that stuff. And switches. And horrors . . . eventually longer engines and cars. 10.QUESTION: Do we at this point in this hypothetical scenerio say, "Damn, I wish those people would have bought O gauge instead of S gauge, so we don't have all those cheesy sets polluting the purity of S gauge." ?? Or do we welcome the additional sales volume that those cheesy sets might add to S gauge?? 11.Could these small-diameter S-24 or S-27, S guage sets ever be successful, or would they be an S gauge flop?? (Apparently like the Ertle sets must be) . . . . . AND . . . SINKING TO THE DEPTHS OF EXTREME CHEESYNESS ================================= 12.If you want to talk about really cheesy, take a look at the photo at http://www.track2.com/ingram/01overview.html#plan08 This is what I used to do in a previous life . . . set up temporary, public LGB displays in small spaces. We're talking here small tight curves, six trains on the same track controlled by electromechanical automatic block systems. I probably committed a hundred different sins of cheesyness here, but these displays seemed to entertain the public. And maybe influenced one or two families to acquire an LGB set. 13.The key thing to accomplishing this: I had small diameter track available OUT OF THE BOX, that was reliable, plus rolling stock, OUT OF THE BOX, that that ran smoothly and reliably on these tight curves & grades. If I had been required to do this by bending flex track, I would never have gotten it done. 14.If you study LGB literature at all, you see that one of their major sales points is how small a space the train will fit into (48" circle, small for large scale), even though it is big. Anybody who runs LGB knows it's ultra-smooth and ultra-reliable. So look at what they're selling: small space, and smooth running. MTH sells this with Rail King also. So we've got two major manufacturers selling 'smooth running' in 'compact spaces'. Do we know for sure this concept couldn't add something to S gauge? - Jim Ingram <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 <><> 1738 E. Third St, PMB 357 <><>Williamsport PA 17701-3868 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> Web Page Design Services: http://www.track2.com/mac/web <><> Central PA train shows: http://www.track2.com/pa <><> Central PA dance groups: http://www.track2.com/dance <><> Macintosh Beige G3/266, OS 8.6, Cable Modem, Epson Stylus 800 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> <><> "You recommend Macs to your friends, <><> and Intel machines to those whom you don't mind billing by the hour." <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6968	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: S track Dia too BIG?-Part III

Dear James, I have to make one more comment and then I will drop my section of this discussion, unless you bring up any point for discussion. Both LBG@ and MTH@ have established themselves enough to be able to produce these items in such a way that if they had NOT been successful, they could survive. I know that LGB@ has been a successful toy maker since the 1800's and the owners did not have to rely on other sources of income if they made a mistake in marketing the LGB@ train product. I do not know about MTH@. I do not know if "our" manufactures could afford to produce a product that MIGHT NOT sell and be able to survive the HUGE financial loss. I think I was told it takes about 1/4 million dollars for just the tooling for a new run of flex track. If you and others who really want this product will be willing to help with the financing and NOT expect your money back if it fails to sell enough at LEAST to cover development cost, I sure that the guys with the tech skills will work with you and develop it. One question: if they people seeing the smaller S gauge track and buy a set using it and do not have space to go beyond, have we ( the people who display) accomplished what we started out to do?? One shot sales I do not believe will take us where we want as whole (Flyer@, Hi-Rail, Scale) want to go. We need products that will start a spark and continue to sell. Lionel won't even take a chance on new American Flyer@ because they are so afraid that it will not SELL and cover their development costs, even when they see the success of S Helper in selling American Flyer@ compatible products. I bought one G Gauge set for the Christmas tree. There is no room for prospects for expansion of that set. If LGB@ had made it on the hopes of expansion of sales and had no other sales, they would have loss a great deal of finances that could have been much more successful and raised the companies prospects of continued "health". Very recently a CEO who had developed and marketed the "Barbie" doll was let go because she made ONE marketing mistake on an other product and the company took a financial loss. I do not believe in giving false expectations to future customer just to sell my product or service. If they do not not have the room for a basic circle (19" radius, 38" diamentor), then I will not "trick" them into think they may build a future "empire". At least with the 19/38 they can build a decent basic layout. Just look in the latest S Helper Service 200 catalog that shows possible layouts and the space needed. I give S Helper Service very HIGH marks for showing realistic "possiblilites" with only a 19/38 track system. LGB@ represents NARROW gauge trains, always did and will. S gauge was NOT started to represent NARROW gauge trains. Narrow gauge trains can be made to run just about on any size radius. If you really want to sell narrow gauge S, I believe there makers of S narrow track who will help you sell it at shows. JamesIngram@... wrote: > From: JamesIngram@... > > 1.I am pleased to say, that this topic has received more > discussion than I ever hoped it would. I think it has > been great! > > It's interesting to see the viewpoints with which different > people approach this discussion of minimum track > diameter, and the resulting aesthetics of how the > rolling stock is going to look on it. > > 2.Since none of us kicking this topic around > are manufacturers, what we think is probably not > that critical. As many have already pointed out, the > manufucturers would not make it ("it" being this > small diameter 24" or 27" circle, S gauge > track,{ideally with all the qualities of S Helper's > S-Trax except smaller diameter}) if they don't think > there is enough market. > > 3.At this point, we've probably discussed it > sufficiently, and people are probably tired of hearing > it. > > However . . . I can't resist making one more > response--the devil made me do it--and I hope you'll > forgive me. > > > Message: 11 [Digest 520] > > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Subject: small radius track > > > > I think this need for a smaller radius curved track has not been > thought > > through. What good would it do anyone to have track like that? it > > couldn't support any flyer diesels unless you cut the steps off > GP-7's > and > > Baldwins; Flyer passenger cars wouldn't run on it. Hudsons, > Pacifics, > > > 0-8-0's wouldn't run on it. A flyer operator would be pretty much > limited > > to Atlantics and possibly 0-6-0's for motive power. (The Docksiders > > are > > too unreliable to plan a layout around). The Atlantics are > obviously > built > > for steam commuter operations, yet they could pull no passenger cars > > on > > that track except possibly the old time coaches. Flyer switches > would > fit > > awkwardly: they would increase the minimum radius whereever used. > So > the > > typical Flyer railroader could only use this track for a freight > branch > > line and would only order at most a dozen pieces. It would not be > in > our > > best interests to push a manufacturer to make a product with such > limited > > potential sales. > <snip> > > Tom - > > 4.You seem to have a concern that conventional Flyer > equipment will not run on this hypothetical small > diameter S gauge track. > > Your viewpoint sounds to me somewhat like "if you're not > running a Flyer, you're not running a train.", as I > suspect is the same for many people on this list, > > > 5.Now, I know this next statement is going to sound > like sheer blasphemy, and I will probably be > kicked-off this S-Trains list for making it . . but . . . > "I don't care whether or not my S gauge train is a > Flyer." > > In fact, if I demand that my S gauge train be capable > of being throttled-back to a slow speed and still run > smoothly, up an down grades, just like I can do with > my Kato HO and my LGB largescale, this is > probably going to exclude Flyer. And it's probably > not fair to ask 1960's Gilbert toy-technology to > perform as well as 1990's high-end Kato/LGB > technology. > > <snip> > > Furthermore, I think that you fail to appreciate one of Flyer's > greatest > > strengths: the beautiful proportions of their trains. While > passenger > > cars were shortened from 80+ scale feet to about 67, this is hardly > > noticeable. These cars still give the impression of being "long". > No > > > other items were shortened except passenger cars. Though the > longest > > rolling stock does overhang curves, it doesn't look ridiculous when > > doing > > so. Lionel, though 0-27 is smaller radius, looks like and always > did > look > > like , CHEESE BOXES ON WHEELS, with most rolling stock shortened > lowered > > and even narrowed. That kind of look is where this kind of thinking > > leads. > <snip> > > > 6.This esthetics thing, we've already "kicked it > around", but I think it needs still another kick. > > I don't think "the cheesy look" is an immenint > danger. But let's assume the worst case, and say it > does happen. > > 7.Just for discussion purposes, let's assume a really > ugly scenerio. Let's pretend Don Thompson (S > Helper) or Mike Wolf (MTH) turns mentally > unstable, and gets this uncontrollable urge to > produce large numbers of cheesy little S gauge > starter sets, complete with 24" diameter S-Trax type > track and small, but correctly-scaled boxcabs and > Docksider engines. > > 8.Allright, now this storyline is going to turn really > ugly, just like reading a Stephen King horror > novel. Let's assume John Q. Public steps into the > local hobby shop, intending to purchase a cheesy > O-27 train set for his kids. > > So he sees these little S gauge 24" diameter track > circle starter sets sitting on the shelf, and says to > himself "Whooaa . . . I was going to get a cheesy > O-27 set, but look at this S gauge. It has most of the > heft of the O gauge, but not the fragility of the HO > and N gauge. But the engine is still scale rather than > compressed. Plus it's got the 2 rail track with the > built-in roadbed. It fits in an even smaller space than > O-27. We can set it up on the kitchen table to get > started. I'll get this S gauge for my kids instead of > the 3-rail." > > 9.So now, in this scenerio, in addition to our "pure" S gauge > consisting of the Flyer and other traditional S gauge, > we have all these additional cheesy S gauge sets in > the hands of the public. And next they're going to > want buildings and all that stuff. And switches. And > horrors . . . eventually longer engines and cars. > > 10.QUESTION: Do we at this point in this hypothetical > scenerio say, "Damn, I wish those people would > have bought O gauge instead of S gauge, so we > don't have all those cheesy sets polluting the purity > of S gauge." ?? > > Or do we welcome the additional sales volume that > those cheesy sets might add to S gauge?? > > 11.Could these small-diameter S-24 or S-27, S guage > sets ever be successful, or would they be an > S gauge flop?? (Apparently like the Ertle sets must be) > > > > . . . . . AND . . . SINKING TO THE DEPTHS OF > EXTREME CHEESYNESS > ================================= > > > 12.If you want to talk about really cheesy, take a look at > the photo at > http://www.track2.com/ingram/01overview.html#plan08 > > This is what I used to do in a previous life . . . set up > temporary, public LGB displays in small spaces. > > We're talking here small tight curves, six trains on > the same track controlled by electromechanical > automatic block systems. I probably committed a > hundred different sins of cheesyness here, but these > displays seemed to entertain the public. And maybe > influenced one or two families to acquire an LGB > set. > > 13.The key thing to accomplishing this: I had small > diameter track available OUT OF THE BOX, that > was reliable, plus rolling stock, OUT OF THE > BOX, that that ran smoothly and reliably on these > tight curves & grades. If I had been required to do this by > bending flex track, I would never have gotten it > done. > > 14.If you study LGB literature at all, you see that one of > their major sales points is how small a space the train > will fit into (48" circle, small for large scale), even though > > it is big. > Anybody who runs LGB knows it's ultra-smooth > and ultra-reliable. > > So look at what they're selling: small space, and > smooth running. MTH sells this with Rail King > also. > > So we've got two major manufacturers selling > 'smooth running' in 'compact spaces'. Do we know > for sure this concept couldn't add something to S > gauge? > > - Jim Ingram > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > <><> James R. Ingram <><> 570-322-0988 > <><> 1738 E. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6969	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: 660-663 aluminum car truck riveting

Hello all, First of all, thanks for the tips on cleaning the contacts on a diesel horn generator. It works great now. Now for my next question. I want to remove and clean the diaphragms on 660-663 cars and still be able to put them back in place easily. I can't slide the chassis out without removing the trucks. If I do that, does anyone know a method of riveting the trucks back onto the chassis while the chassis is slid into its final position? If I don't remove the chassis, I think I'm going to have a hard time getting the diaphragms to stay in the grooves all the way down towards the middle of the car. Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6970	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Yadda yadda yadda

Gale Hall wrote: >And it never fails to amaze me, someone needs a wigget, 15 emails about what >wigget you really need, Doug Peck says hey I have those in stock for >$3......then an email thanking everyone and ending saying maybe I'll work >on it next year if I can find the part. My mother will call me up to bitch and moan about a squirrel in her attic. I find her a reasonably priced exterminator who will live trap the rodent and remove it without hurting it. She doesn't hire him. When I ask her why, there is a long, convoluted answer about the price, the time, the guys personality . . . until I forget what it was I asked her. A month later, my mother will call me up to bitch and moan about a squirrel in her attic. Some people don't want effective solutions. Some people want to talk. You may start out talking about trains, but in a forum like this you mostly just end up talking. If you want to play with your trains, you are just going to have to go downstairs. If you really want to watch mindless chatter, check out the TCA mail list with 50 to 60 messages a day rehashing stuff that was covered, in depth, a year ago. Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, but endless conversation mostly comes from Uranus. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6971	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: One MORE thing

>Doug Peck says hey I have those in stock for $3...... Well that just takes all the fun outta complaining, don't it?! S used to stand for Scratchbuilt, but now you got these damn guys with their damn parts . . . why I remember when I could build a scale coal dock outta old coathangers and cheesecloth. Why, this caboose ain't nothin' but a Land O'Lakes butter carton with a box o' staples on top, yep. "In stock!", hmmph, what a nerve!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6972	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hi guys, The new list for February is posted at: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Think steam and watch for random mid-month updates from now on! Mark B. Preman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6973	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Docksider

In a message dated 2/7/00 5:00:09 AM EST, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 24 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:22:04 -0500 (EST) From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) Subject: Docksiders Did you come up with a replacement for that cockamamie pickup shoe arrangement too? Tom >> No, I am using an original shoe assembly. It seems to work OK as long as it is not damaged in any way. It IS delicate, but I am a bit more careful than I was 42 years ago! Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6974	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Coaling Tower

Railking (MTH?) has announced a coal loader that looks like the AF 785 Coal Loader. It looks to be available in October 2000. See http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg for a picture. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6975	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: 660-3 aluminum car riveting

These cars had no diaphragms. To remove the floor remove the ends, spread the sides apart with your fingers, which takes some strength, and pop one side of the floor out of its groove. Then pop the other side out. After that is done you can work the floor out of th car body. You don't have to unrivet. (derivet?) "Restore American Flyer Aluminum Cars " in the August 1991 Classic Toy Trains is an article I wrote that covers this topic rather completely. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6976	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: loaders and Docksiders

Great to see a repro 785, even though it shoots a hole broadside in why I ever bought an original for hundreds more. Maybe the much anticipated repro Gabe will be a nice product, and help me feel better about it all since I haven't taken the plunge for one of those yet. On to Docksiders - - have any of you ever replaced one or all the PU shoes on one of these? I just bought a 21155 off eBay along with some other stuff, and the description mentioned it is missing one PU shoe. Thanks in advance for any tips you can provide me so I'm ready when it arrives. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6977	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Turnouts and Switches

I was a bit puzzled recently by a post on S-Scale about BK#10 switches. It seemed that this was NOT the start of a new discussion, but I had not seen any previous comments on s-Scale. Then I noticed that the subject line included "S-Trains"! Ah-hA. The thread had started there, and somebody apparently cc:ed a reply to S-Scale. But how to find the beginning of the discussion????? Eureka! The One-List website has a SEARCH function. I plugged in BK turnouts, and out popped a short list of digest dates that covered the subject. SoOOooo, if you want to look for previous conversation on a subject, Onelist makes it easy to find. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6978	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Interesting Gilbert "set"

If you want to see a replica of a different A.C. Gilbert "set," have a quick looksee at http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~postr/MRT/gilbertx.htm This is of interest to me as I collect old "tyme" radio. Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6979	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders

How about a Rex Docksider, when properly assembled they are pretty reliable. Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6980	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: s track diameter

I think this thread is the dumbest one we have had on s-list in a year and a half at least. That is going some. Not only is it pie in the sky, it is dumb pie in the sky. Flyer or not, most of us are interested in modeling middle to late 20th century standard gauge american railroading in s Very little rolling stock could be produced that would run on 24" diameter track and be of interest to most of us. The track itself would not be of great interest to us because most of our stuff would not run on it. End of discussion. I hope.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6981	From: Tom Young	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Rotating Beacon

Not to change the subject ( track radius ), but does anyone have any advice on making the AF Beacon do what it supposed to do, rotate? I picked up one a month ago, in nice shape but the top wasn't. So I bought a repro top and a new bulb but can't get a single turn out of it. I noticed that the old top's fins were not bent into the housing like the fins on the repro top. They are bent up from the housing. I don't think it matters though, looks like it would work either way. I'm sure at least some of you fellows have this item on your railroads and any help on tricks or tweaks to get this operating would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Tom.......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6982	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Rotating Beacon

--- Tom Young <T-Young@...> wrote: > does anyone have any > advice on making the AF Beacon do what it supposed to do, rotate? I > picked up one a month ago, in nice shape but the top wasn't. So I > bought a repro top and a new bulb but can't get a single turn out of it. Doug Peck sells repro tops and bulbs that are guaranteed to work (sorry Gale,) but what I have found is that it must have full power from the transformer, like that from a 30B. If I have it on my small lighting transformer, it won't work even if I have it turned all the way up. The only problem with running it on the 30b is that the bulbs wear out quicker. It's a mystery. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6983	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale] S scale magazine

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 6984	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: S scale magazine, with text this time. (it didn't forward)

Greetings all! I have a pleasant announcement. Model Railroad News has agreed to run a bimonthly column focusing on S scale new products. The first is expected to appear in the April issue. This was originally suggested to me. I called the editor and shared the idea. I focused on how one of the most important reasons many of us were subscribing to the S scale magazines was to keep abreast of the new products and that with the loss of the "Guide" we lost that ability. We should be getting about a page every other issue. The editor says that it can be increased if the material is sufficient and the magazine is supported. I believe that this can be EXTREMELY helpful to the growth of S scale. Subscriptions are $15/yr and the address will follow on another email. I hope to have sample copies at the Spree! I will be editing the column. I have already contacted many of the manufacturers by email and have been following up by telephone. If you know of someone that manufacturers S scale products not on this list please forward the message to them. <<<<<<<<<From: Ed & Judi Loizeaux <loizeaux@...> Well, Folks....The first of February has come and gone. Gone also is the promise made by someone up in Wyoming (or was it Montana?) to announce prices, etc. of his new S scale e-zine or magazine or whatever on/before February first (2000, I assume?). Thus, it would seem fair to conclude that S scale is not only without it's own magazine, but also without credible promises for a future magazine. Has anyone contacted the NMRA BULLETIN regarding an S scale column? "S"incerely, Ed Loizeaux>>>>>>>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6985	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: rotating beacon

I worked on a beacon with repro top that would not rotate. i got it to work by bending the vanes but don't remember exactly how. Probably bent them to a steeper pitch to provide more push but that is a guess. The repro may actually be a repro of the Lionel beacon top. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6986	From: Ron Brady	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: bells

Are there any repro solinoids for the 759 ? road crossing.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6987	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Credit Card Mailing

I received my offer for a Platinum + "Fans of Lionel" Mastercard today. No choice of an American Flyer background, so, out it goes. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6988	From: Jim and Vicky	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 521

Message #3 Yes!! The paper is to inside the cars. jim S-Trains@onelist.com wrote: > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Don�t buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine11 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 24 messages in this issue. > > Topics in today's digest: > > 1. 785 Coaler by MTH > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > 2. Flyer Coal Loader > From: "Brady Burdge" <burdgeb@...> > 3. 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > From: gunrjoe@... > 4. Small Spaces for the A-F Trains > From: jde@... > 5. And one more thing too > From: "Gale Hall" <gale_hall@...> > 6. Re: Flyer Coal Loader > From: Scott Holm <IMSSCOTT@...> > 7. Re: And one more thing too > From: RRDART@... > 8. and one more thing too > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > 9. MTH Coaler > From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> > 10. Re: 785 Coaler by MTH > From: Walt Gay <waltrail@...> > 11. Re: Track Issues (was... And one more thing too > From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> > 12. Re: posting > From: TPDavis7@... > 13. Re: 785 Coaler by MTH > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > 14. Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > 15. WANTED: DAVE EWING > From: TPDavis7@... > 16. Track > From: "James Roberts" <jfred436@...> > 17. Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session. > From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com > 18. Re: Track > From: sscale@... > 19. Re: Track > From: RBubeck327@... > 20. couple of points > From: KtRdd@... > 21. Re: Track > From: TPDavis7@... > 22. Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > 23. Re: Docksiders > From: Bilfrazier@... > 24. Docksiders > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:39:22 -0800 > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > Subject: 785 Coaler by MTH > > All I can say is this! > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:40:27 +0100 > From: "Brady Burdge" <burdgeb@...> > Subject: Flyer Coal Loader > > You can find a photo of the MTH coal loader at > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > and the same dealers complete MTH list at > http://www.cyber-rail.com/00vol2.htm > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: 6 Feb 2000 12:24:54 -0000 > From: gunrjoe@... > Subject: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > > PURCHASED A SET OF CHROME PASSENGER CARS. > WINDOWS HAVE CLEAR FILM WITH FIGURES ON THEM. > MY QUESTION IS THAT EACH CAR HAS TWO PIECES OF > PAPER STAPLED TOGETHER BENT IN A U SHAPE AND > PLACED BETWEEN THE BULB AND THE WINDOW FILMS > ACTING A A LIGHT DIFFUSER. DOES THIS PAPER BELONG > THERE???ALSO I SEE ADVERTISED A WINDOW FILM WHICH > IS FROSTED AND HAS FIGURES ON IT. WOULD THIS BE > BETTER???THANKS TO ALL WHO ANSWERED MY FIRST > QUESTION.S-GAUGERS SEEM TO BE THE NICEST PEOPLE. > I ALSO DO ENJOY OBSERVING SOME OF THE "FAMILY" DISAGREEMENTS. > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:05:36 -0000 > From: jde@... > Subject: Small Spaces for the A-F Trains > > Hi All <jde here> > This is for all the Guys and Gals that want > to set up in a small area ! > > I live in a Apt and I wanted to train with A-F > in order to keep me and my family happy I had > to come up with something that would satisfy > all and this is what I have done to Date > with the help from the members and lot's of > Study and advice. > > My Board is made out of a cork Notice Board I > picked up from the Military sell out Auct > for twenty Bucks it has a metal frame around > the Board the initial size is 4 x 6 feet and > Dark Brown in color. > > In order for me to install my A-F I had to add > 1 Foot to the 4' making it a 5' x 6' Board > what > I have done is tolay the board on a Small Kitchen > Table and support the Board on the Back of the Sofa > against the the west wall of the living room > Now the the nice part is I can lift the Board up and > and stand it against the wall at any Tyme for Company > or in the summer tyme whatever. and I can swivil the > Board to work on the Trestle Bridge and track work Etc. > > My lay out consists of 6 A-F Flyer Switches 4 Power > and two manual /1 Rerailer/17 Curved <1Pike curved Track> > 15 Pike Master Straight track < 3 of these are A_F Track> > located on the west wall on my wooden trestle Bridge > > I cut a Bunch of 1/4 x 1/4 Ties and stained the atached > Ties to my Older A-F Track and it looks Great > I layed H.O Cork Road bed for all the Track and > it runs real quiet so i can here the proper sounds > > My Layout consists of the Following Pattern > > 1 Large Oval with the 3 Straights for the Length > The main line has a 2 Power switch at the small ends of the > oval Then I added another 2 Power switches to give me > my Passenger Station and access to a freight Siding > wich I added with the other switch > > I also added a Manual switch with the Rerailer at the front > of the layout all this on a 5' X 6' Board! so you see > a small area can be fun and challenging so please don't > get discouraged just put a bit of thought into what you > wish to do make it portable and Challenging the only > Differance between the Really large layout and mine little > one is They have more Straight Track to clean:) > > Back to Trains sorry to be so windy but I know this has > been a serious problem for a lot of folks who are limited > in their space! And all the Books and Tapes and Instructions > never actually Tackled the gut of the Small area and Believe > me I read them all, > The closest one I came across is the > How to Build a MODEL RAILROAD by Marshall Mclintock > if you can get this Book by all means please do so > as it will be your right hand. Thanks for the listen > jde John/Denholm > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:03:30 PST > From: "Gale Hall" <gale_hall@...> > Subject: And one more thing too > > Ya know guys I have decided that the thing that has held S gauge together > this far, is that we are only around other S gaugers 3 or 4 days a year > normally. > > This is like the Express Lane at Wal Mart, sign says 10 items or less, and > here comes some one with a cart full, well it is either a Math major that > can't read or an English major that can't count..... > > Come on ya complain about the track, ya got about four choices, in scale we > have about four more.........and all of a sudden you are wanting these super > small curves....what is the goal here , about a 10 inch circle and a engine > with the trucks turned sideways spinning around. > > Until you get to the Northern, AF looks pretty good in curves, much better > than 027 operation....the Northern requires extra care in the clearance > field, making sure the pilot or the cab doesn't hit something. > It is easy enough to pull cars across AF curves as they are, smaller even > worse. > > We have more in S gauge today than any time in history, about the only thing > left is RTR shipped without boxes. > > And it never fails to amaze me, someone needs a wigget, 15 emails about what > wigget you really need, Doug Peck says hey I have those in stock for > $3......then an email thanking everyone and ending saying maybe I'll work > on it next year if I can find the part. > > The death knell for S gauge, is going to come from the time spent on the > computer......the older we get the better we were....... > > So let the emails start......and if I don't reply real quick, I might be in > the basement. > > Gale Hall > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:15:46 -0600 > From: Scott Holm <IMSSCOTT@...> > Subject: Re: Flyer Coal Loader > > > From: "Brady Burdge" <burdgeb@...> > > > > You can find a photo of the MTH coal loader at > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > > > and the same dealers complete MTH list at > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/00vol2.htm > > > > I notice that it says that it will not be available until October. > The dimensions printed don't seem right though. > It says it's 9-1/2" x 8" x 12". The original Flyer version has > a 5" square base and is 14-1/4" tall. > > Do you suppose that the MTH clamshell will work on the original Flyer > loaders? > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:21:09 EST > From: RRDART@... > Subject: Re: And one more thing too > > In a message dated 2/6/00 11:07:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gale_hall@... writes: > > << We have more in S gauge today than any time in history, >> > > As I review my note and BIlly's question about what my track issues are I can > almost hear Lydia Soprano saying "Oh poor you!" > > It is very true that we have MUCH more than we ever had in the past. I > remember Sam Powell suggesting that I use the flex track that was available > (one brand) rather than the Miller tie strip because it would be faster. > > We have 2 brands of code 100 flex track just about type of turnout and > crossing that one could desire from BTS already gauged and waiting for the > ties. Bantamodelworks has several that are already spiked in place....... > > So what are my issues? > I guess really they stem less from what's available when I think about it, > then the unwieldy nature of trying to lay out 48" and 52" radii turns. The > beauty of N scale is that you could cut even broad turns in a standard sized > poster board for use as a template. > > -John > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:25:16 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > Subject: and one more thing too > > What beauty of N scale? Who over 45 yrs old can even see that tiny stuff? > Working on an N loco is microsurgery. > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:48:12 -0500 > From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> > Subject: MTH Coaler > > I'll have to swing by the hobby shop and check this out! > I always thought that the 752/752A/785's were the most awesome accessory > ever made by any train manufacturer. > The clamshell bucket/solenoid assembly has to have many collectors and > operators drooling. There must be 100's of coalers out there awaiting this > key assembly to complete their restoration. > Has anyone contacted MTH to see if the clamshell bucket assembly will be > offered for separate sale as a repair part? > > Don > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:53:46 -0500 > From: Walt Gay <waltrail@...> > Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH > > Kinda looks like a toy!!<G> > > Neil Trump wrote: > > > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > > > > All I can say is this! > > > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/30-9043.jpg > > > > Neil T. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Finding a sweetheart is hard work. Shopping for one shouldn't be. > > Click here for Valentine Surprises. > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine5 ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:10:04 -0500 > From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> > Subject: Re: Track Issues (was... And one more thing too > > RRDART@... wrote: > > So what are my issues? > > I guess really they stem less from what's available when I think about it, > > then the unwieldy nature of trying to lay out 48" and 52" radii turns. The > > beauty of N scale is that you could cut even broad turns in a standard sized > > poster board for use as a template. > > > > -John > > Howdy John > > You can still use a standard sheet of poster board for templates, you > just need to go from corner to corner and you will not get as many from > a single sheet. You may wish to use a four-ply mat board as it is > stronger than poster board. > > On my last layout, I used my camera tripod and a 6-foot long 1x2 as a > compass. Drill pencil-sized holes at appropriate spots on the length of > wood, then add a screw to the other end that fits into the tripod hole. > > As with everything in life, there are goods and bads.... it is good that > S is large, but occasionally that causes some interesting challenges! > > Take care, > Bill > -- > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:24:39 EST > From: TPDavis7@... > Subject: Re: posting > > Dennis to reply to a received e-mail on the S-trains list just click on > Reply, then in the COPY TO: block type in S-Trains@onelist.com. Your e-mail > will go to the originator of the e-mail and on the list to all list members. > To originate your own e-mail for the S-Trains list click on the write icon > and in the SEND TO: block type in S-Trains@onelist.com, your e-mail will then > be posted on the list. Adding the S-Trains e-mail address to your address > book will make life a lot easier. I hope this will be of some help, I too am > a newbie on the computer, I am a child of the rotary-dial telephone era. > VCR's confuse the h--l out of me. > Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:02:48 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > Subject: Re: 785 Coaler by MTH > > ALRIGHT!! Thank you for posting!!! Now I wonder what the "spare parts" will > run--you know this means all those "parts basket" loaders without clamshells > are now revivable!! I wonder if the roof is the same dimensions too. . . . > S' > David D. > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 10:10:07 -0800 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > > Hi, > No need to shout (all CAPS is called shouting). Yep, the paper filter > belongs there. Changing the windows out is a real pain, they came many > different ways, although the clear seems to be most common. I'd leave it > alone. For greater realism, you can add a light blue thin paper over the > original paper, makes the light appear more like it is going through tinted > windows, which the full-sized cars used. When I did mine, the paper was what > the laundry came back from the cleaners in (we had a resort, too much > laundry to do at home--although now it is done on-site). > S' > David D. > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 13:28:31 EST > From: TPDavis7@... > Subject: WANTED: DAVE EWING > > Dave Ewing, If you read this e-mail, contact me at TPDavis7@.... The > ACSG's need your e-mail address to place you on the mailing list. > Tom Davis, Charlote,NC > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:49:18 -0500 > From: "James Roberts" <jfred436@...> > Subject: Track > > All of this talk of how small the circle of track can be and run Gilbert American Flyer trains has led me to a question. > How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? > What happened when the wheels were regauged to fit the S track that made them need so much larger a curve ? > I know that it looks better to not run on "street car" curves, and diesels that were not built till post WWII were never made to run on the tight curve, but all of the steamers that were made in 1940 and 1941 were still using the track that was very much like that of the L and the M people. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: 7 Feb 2000 00:32:02 -0000 > From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com > Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session. > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > S-Trains online mIRC chat session. > > Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 > Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. > See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:31:42 +0000 > From: sscale@... > Subject: Re: Track > > > How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? > > Were they 027 or standard O gauge? > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:37:47 EST > From: RBubeck327@... > Subject: Re: Track > > In a message dated 2/6/00 6:53:43 PM, jfred436@... writes: > > << How did the wide gauge (pre WWII) trains run on 3 rail O-27 track ? > > What happened when the wheels were regauged to fit the S track that made them > need so much larger a curve ? >> > > Prewar Gilbert 3/16" scale O gauge trains ran on track very close in radius > to Lionel O-42 -- > 42" being the diameter of the circle in 'Big L' > terminology. Much Gilbert AF prewar will not run on O-27. Consequently, the > conversion to the post war S gauge radius (giving a circle of 38 and 1/4" in > diameter center to center) was fairly straight forward. > > Hope this helps. > > RB > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 19:50:56 EST > From: KtRdd@... > Subject: couple of points > > Hi Bill & Diane, > You asked "what problem was I having with AF track??" I didn't pen that > lament. My mail shows that comment directed to the group by someone else. > For comment tho, I have mangled AF crossovers to place adjoining track in > proximity--then there is the "same old-same old" 5" center to center for > using AF switches in pairs. As all flyer operators realize, you cannot > construct nice parallel switched mainline with that scenario because the > track must be so separated ( but, I really love AF switches-I even wrote a > story about them!). By the way, I discovered that using a coping saw with a > 32 TPI blade does a great job cutting AF track and bakelite. That's for > those of us without handy tools, but who at least have a bench vise. For > years I used to use a hack saw---what a joke that was! Finally, when you > walk into my train room, the first thing you observe is a "Lionel" girder > bridge with the letters staring you in the face. Don't fret!!!!!!, I intend > to flat-black those letters out of existance--it's on my list of low priority > items. Too bad, someone doesn't make a current day set of "American Flyer" > stuff of this sort. The only alternative is to buy the collector stuff. > JohnR > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:10:01 EST > From: TPDavis7@... > Subject: Re: Track > > James, Pre-war American Flyer 3 rail 0 gauge track, for the 3/16 scale 0 > gauge trains, was the same diameter as the post-war S gauge track. > Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:11:11 -0500 > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > Subject: Re: 960,1,2,3 ETC PASSENGER CARS > > Paper was original equipment. > > gunrjoe@... wrote: > > > > From: gunrjoe@... > > > > PURCHASED A SET OF CHROME PASSENGER CARS. > > WINDOWS HAVE CLEAR FILM WITH FIGURES ON THEM. > > MY QUESTION IS THAT EACH CAR HAS TWO PIECES OF > > PAPER STAPLED TOGETHER BENT IN A U SHAPE AND > > PLACED BETWEEN THE BULB AND THE WINDOW FILMS > > ACTING A A LIGHT DIFFUSER. DOES THIS PAPER BELONG > > THERE???ALSO I SEE ADVERTISED A WINDOW FILM WHICH > > IS FROSTED AND HAS FIGURES ON IT. WOULD THIS BE > > BETTER???THANKS TO ALL WHO ANSWERED MY FIRST > > QUESTION.S-GAUGERS SEEM TO BE THE NICEST PEOPLE. > > I ALSO DO ENJOY OBSERVING SOME OF THE "FAMILY" DISAGREEMENTS. > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > If you want to be single again, > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine10 ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 23 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:17:36 EST > From: Bilfrazier@... > Subject: Re: Docksiders > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:52:10 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > Subject: small radius track > > SNIP > > A flyer operator would be pretty much limited > to Atlantics and possibly 0-6-0's for motive power. (The Docksiders are > too unreliable to plan a layout around). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------- > > A 20x32mm can motor will fit right into the space of the original motor and > eliminate all of the design problems inherent in the docksider. I got my > 21155 for Christmas 1958, and it never ran right, even after two trips to the > "authorized service station" during 1959. > I put a Sagami motor in it over 10 years ago and it now runs as well as any > of my AF locomotives. You must have a good worm gear on the axle and a good > worm when you make this conversion. > > Bill Frazier > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 24 > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 00:22:04 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > Subject: Docksiders > > Did you come up with a replacement for that cockamamie pickup shoe > arrangement too? Tom > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6989	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: What is [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]?

_________________________________________________________________________ _____ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:16:58 EST From: RRDART@... Subject: Fwd: S scale magazine [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________________ ______ _________________________________________________________________________ ______ I have been seeing a lot of the above " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]" messages in the Digest and in the archives lately. What are they (what information am I missing?)? Are people including attachments? Whatever they are, be aware, they are not included in the archives or in my digest version. BTW - Gary, Rich, Ken, John, others, and ESPECIALLY Michael, thanks for your positive comments about Ron's caboose. It should be great for many free-lancers, and it does NOT scream NorthEastern railroad. And if it is too far off from your favorite prototype for kit-bashing, is not a woodsided caboose one of the easier rolling stock pieces to scratch-build? Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6990	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Docksiders

Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 12:31:50 -0500 From: David_Horn@... Subject: loaders and Docksiders On to Docksiders - - have any of you ever replaced one or all the PU shoes on one of these? I just bought a 21155 off eBay along with some other stuff, and the description mentioned it is missing one PU shoe. Thanks in advance for any tips you can provide me so I'm ready when it arrives. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- Hi David: Which shoe do you need? I might have one in my parts box. Doug Peck sells the shoes and the entire base assembly if you need them. If the base is loose, and cannot be tightened properly, you are better off with a replacement. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6991	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Conducta-Lube

Don Do you hav any idea as to when the switches for the S-Trax System will be available. Im not trying to rush you but since receiving the ICG starter set for Christmas I am now anxious to start a permanent layout. My last layout was forty years ago so there is really no big hurry.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6992	From: John Simkovich	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Fw:I think that we all qualify for each of these.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Diamond Jim" <jimhoegg@...> To: "Daniel S. Thole" <dthole@...>; "John Simkovich" <jps2102@...>; "Matt Kujat" <mattkt@...>; "Robbie Hoegg" <rhoegg@...>; "Ron Bergerson" <rmberger@...>; "Russel Heintzelman" <rdh@...> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 8:01 AM Subject: Railfan > You Know You're a Railfan When... > > 1. You shop for a house next to the tracks instead of away from them! > > 2. When planning your next vacation, you choose your travel route based > > upon the location of active railroads and railroad museums. > > 3. When you blow your truck's horn two longs, a short, and a long > through every intersection. > > 4. Speaking of intersections, you call the signals as you go through > them. > > 5. You call your local zoning commission to ask if you can use a boxcar > > for a shed. > > 6. You wonder why automobiles don't come equipped with couplers. > > 7. While engaged in intimate relations, you suddenly find yourself > mentally debating the relative merits of Genesis vs. F40s. > > 8. Your wife tells you her water burst, and your first reaction is, "My > > God, her boiler will be ruined!" > > 9. When you end every phone conversation with "Roger" > > 10. When being served dinner, you say, "Easy, easy, that'll do!" as > you've gotten enough. > > 11. When riding with someone who's backing into a parking space, you > say, "two cars -- one car -- far enough." > > 12. When you get a shopping cart with a bad wheel, you tag it and set > it > > aside for the shops to repair, or park it in an aisle and put up a blue > > flag in front of and behind it. > > 13. You curse the dispatcher when you're held up in traffic. > > 14. While driving your car, you put your arm on the window sill and > wave > > your hand and blow your horn to all kids standing on the street. > > 15. Your wife opens her wallet to show the relatives photos of the > children while you open your wallet to show them your latest rail > photos > > from last weeks fan trip. > > 16. You install a pedal operated bell in your car and ring it while > driving across railroad crossings. > > 17. You open your refrigerator door only to find it full of film for > the > > next fan trip. > > 18. You find yourself looking for old locomotives and color schemes > during the obligatory chase scene through the rail yards when you're > watching old cop shows and movies on TV. > > 19. The efforts of Hollywood to re-create an earlier era using trains > is > > met with your derisive snort, "They didn't have GP40-2s in 1970! Can't > they get it right?" > > 20. You're on Amtrak, you find out that the guy across the aisle is a > Railfan, and your wives look at each other, roll their eyes and sigh. > > 21. You're in your car and you come up to a railroad crossing. The > crossing lights are not flashing and no trains are coming, but you slow > > to a crawl and look up the track both ways in hope of seeing a train. > > 22. You are on a rail facility tour and start talking to one of the > mechanics on the shop floor only to find out that you know more than he > > does. > > 23. You rent certain movies at the video store because you know there > is > > a very cool train scene in it. > > 24. You refuse to cross the tracks until your favorite train has passed > > by. > > 25. You barbecue using tie butts -- for that special flavor! > > 26. You tell your wife you're going down to the corner bar to have a > few > > drinks with the guys, however, you go to your favorite train watching > spot to take a few photos. > > 27. You are on a highway overpass at 60 mph and you suddenly shout, > "That's the Seaboard down there!" and you can't believe the others in > the car didn't recognize it by the color of the ballast. > > 28. You tell your wife you would like take a nice ride to look at > scenery, and she asks, "Should I bring something to read while you look > > at the 'scenery' in the rail yard?" > > 29. You can't understand why everyone else doesn't understand what > "approach diverging" means. > > 30. It would not be to your advantage for the railroad police to come > to > > your house and look around. > > 31. You get tired of explaining to people that just because you have a > scanner you are not a fireman. > > 32. Your relatives think of you when they see a train. > > 33. You get irritated whenever a train wrecks because non-railfans > "invade" your special train watching spots. > > 34. The train crews know you by first name or you know them by first > name. > > 35. When all your friends rely on you to tell them when the morning > train comes through -- so they can avoid it! > > 36. You stop at all railroad crossings and pray for the gates to come > down. > > 37. You are happy to be at a grade crossing when a long freight is > passing, while those around you fume. > > 38. You see a headlight approaching at a grade crossing, and you slow > down when everyone is speeding up. > > 39. You take your date to a railroad yard, just to check on what's > happening. > > 40. You're watching a movie and you say, "New York? How can they be in > New York when there's a UP freight going by?" > > 41. You show up trackside to film the fantrip passing through and you > have so much camera equipment that the locals ask you which TV station > you're with. > > 42. You're reading a book about "choo-choos" to your kid and you stop > to > > explain that they've got the side rods drawn all wrong. > > 43. You can find the rail yard in a strange city within 5 minutes or > less of leaving the Interstate. > > 44. You find yourself telling the scanner what it is going to say next. > > > 45. "TRAINS" and "PLAYBOY" arrive in the mail the same day and you open > > "TRAINS" first. > > 46. You're driving near some tracks with your non-railfan buddies and > you see a train and shout, "A matched set of SD45s!" > > 47. You go to your closet and there is no room for clothes because of > all the slide files and model railroad boxes. > > 48. You love to eat microwave dinners because they remind you of the > meals you had on your recent Amtrak ride. > > 49. You work for the railroad, try to act cool and ignore it all while > at work. Then, when you get home, watch how your blood pressure rises > to > > extremely high levels as you relive it in all it's glory to anybody who > > will listen. > > 50. Your door bell sounds like a steam engine whistle when someone > pushes the button. > > And Finally You Definitely Know You Are An Honest To God True Railfan > When... > > You're reading this list and not only understand every word of it, you > have said "Hey that's me!" more times than you'd like to admit! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6993	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Railway Express Agency trucks

- Greeting`S' - W. Thomas Boussum asked a great question about an important part of railroad operation in years past, the Railway Express Agency. Yes, Thomas, the trucks were dark green, along with the agnecy's express cars (look much like baggage cars) and the platform carts (look much like baggage carts). The green was darker than Southern Railway Virginia green and lighter than Pennsy RR bruns- wick green, definitely not any hint of olive green. Trucks still in use in the '40's had quarter-elliptic springs on the rear axle (single tire and wheel on each side). The spring perch on the frame held the whole bundle of leaves with only the longest one or two reaching the axle. Chain drive would have been a distinctive feature of an earlier vintage. No doubt a full complement of Railway Express Agency equipment plus the operations center in a part of the station would double the activity seen at a passenger station. Thomas, thanks for bringing up this significant part of recent railroad history. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6994	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Railway Express Agency trucks

A Railway Express Agency baggage cart, in excellent condition, still sits on the railroad station here in Kennebunk, Maine. The station now houses the offices of the Rivertree Arts foundation, but the ol' cart still keeps watch on the platform as the Guilford freights roll through. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6995	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Beacon

I have the Marx version which works well, but a few things - - 1) I tweaked the veins so they angle up, but then bend so about 25% of the vein is roughly parallel to the ground. It is force of that vector direction on the veins that ultimately propels it around. Mine will start spinning in less than 5 minutes and achieve about 60 rpm. 2) Good dimple bulbs are hard to find. Sometimes one will last many sessions, other times only a couple sessions. I run them on a 1-1/2B 16V terminal and that seems to be enough power (might also be why they burn out). I believe they're 14v bulbs, yet if run only only on 14V they don't generate enough heat. If the dimple is poor, I bust an old one in a ziplock bag, find a piece that when inverted works well as the cup in which the pin spins, and ZapAGap that (upside down) to the top of the dimple bulb. 3) Once in awhile I use a jeweler's file gently in the pin to ensure a fine point. Mostly drawing the file over the tip toward me. Also, be sure the beacon top is level. PS Anybody know of a good source for quality dimple bulbs? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6996	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Hey, Limburger Boy!

Jim Ingram said: Let's assume John Q. Public steps into the local hobby shop, intending to purchase a cheesy O-27 train set for his kids. So he sees these little S gauge 24" diameter track circle starter sets sitting on the shelf, and says to himself "Whooaa . . . I was going to get a cheesy O-27 set, but look at this S gauge. Jim: Your points are well taken. You are assuming that John Q. Public is more aware of the train market than he is. You are assuming that his ingrained brand loyalty to Lionel will waver when he casts his gaze upon the beeyootiful S-gauge, which won't be all that beautiful any more thanks to the generous injection of cheese. You are assuming that American Flyer is still a market force in the world of toy trains and consumers are still faced with that old choice, "do I go for the 2-rail Flyers or do I go with the bigger 3-rail Lionels?" That battle for the consumer was lost a long time ago when Gilbert sold to his competitor. The only people who buy Flyer today are collectors and operators who already know what it is and are aware of the whole story. Lionel still sells its cheese to Moms and Dads at K-Mart, who say, "Wow, how about an electric train for Brian? Geez, I didn't know they still made these. It says Lionel on it. Do you think it is really made by Lionel??? I thought they went out of business. No, look, it has the Lionel emblem. I remember that from when I was a kid. Do you think it would run on the same track with Dads old trains? Wow, I can't believe this!" You and I have been going to too many swap meets and train shows. When you go to York, you think the whole world is into trains. When you go to "S" fest, you think they finally outgrew their Lionel phase. It's all a sham, the veil that lowers itself over the eyes of the cognoscenti. This is our very small world. If you are convinced that there is a market for short radius track, then you must either make it or convince someone else to make it. When you get to doing that, the hobby you love will become a business. When that happens, you will face very real questions about costs of tooling, projected sales, expectations of return on investment. You will need to focus on your market segment. You will have to convince retailers to carry and distribute your line. Don Thompson lists stores as distributors of The Showcase Line. When I have gone to those stores they have 1 or 2 cars in stock, but they'll order whatever you want. They don't want to confuse their nice neat stores with S-gauge, they say. They are so loaded with 0, they don't want more. They are inventory tight with stuff that is not exactly exploding off the shelves. More inventory means more cost. These are the people you are going to have to convince to carry an off-shoot of S-gauge, explaining, "it is to regular S what Rail-King is to Premier Line". I wish you the best in your multi-million dollar endeavor. If you plan to go ahead with this, please keep us all posted. Feel free to ask any of us for our opinions. We will be the first to answer your surveys on whether or not we would buy such and so. We look forward to your first product announcement. Speaking on behalf of everyone on this list, I hope that you make millions, . . . but, If you are not going to venture forth as an entrepreneur, I wish that you would let this thread drop. As interesting a concept as it was when it first poked its little head up, it has nonetheless gone the way of most mail list threads, hacked to death for want of yet more talk. Manufacturers monitor this mail list. Have any come forward to get in on the big profits that await them in the short radius track market? The original concept addressed the need for a running a Flyer display layout that would fit on a 30" deep folding table for use at train shows. That is indeed a very limited use. While it is possible to ruminate on the various potential benefits of such a mythical short radius track, doing so makes us the modern day equivalent of a bunch of crusty old-timers chawin' tobaccy, spittin' into the pot-belly stove, and generally taking up space in the general store as we spin yarns of what mighta, coulda, woulda been. I see us as better than that, and I for one, am a little too young to relegate myself to the rocking chair by the fire. The solution for the limited display use is to bend some Gargraves experimentally to a radius that works for space and good train operation. Or, nail down some Pikemaster to a couple of boards that can be assembled on top of the table with a slight overhang. Those solutions were suggested in one form or another way back at the beginning of the thread. You said: "However . . . I can't resist making one more response--the devil made me do it--and I hope you'll forgive me." Forgiveness is between you and God. Explain to him your relationship with the devil. When it comes to protracted, endless, go nowhere threads, we all have to learn to resist. If this list becomes as choked with nonsense as the TCA list or the newsgroups, we all lose out. I thank you for your indulgence, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6997	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Fw:I think that we all qualify for each of these.

Uh Oh. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6998	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Track

- Greeting`S' - On Sunday, James Roberts asked a question about pre-WW II Flyer curved track radii. I had asked this earlier and here are two of the responses I received. "Tue, 2 Nov 1999 From: NYC17819@... I don't know about all AF "O" gauge, but my early 30's AF "O" set has eight curves to a circle. Also, both the curves and the straight tracks are banked or super-elevated about 3/32". They did this by reducing the height of the tie and increasing the width of the flange at the bottom of the tie, so the tie is actually wider under the low rail. The sides of the piece of metal used to make each tie were parallel before bending. AF "O" track can also be distinguished from "L" and Marx because they placed two track pins on one end of each piece, and one pin of the other. AF wide gauge (standard gauge) track also had a similar track pin arrangement, but no super-elevation............ Chris Harding "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 From: Train Collectors Association <toytrain@...> Not necessarily true regarding track pin location. Only in the late prewar (WWII) years did Lionel go to three pins on one end, prior to that they used the same orientation as other manufacturers, that is two and one pin. (Annoying when you had an "S" curve. Chicago Flyer introduced the 40" diameter "O" gauge track in 1936, with roadbed and 12 pieces made a circle. Prior to that they sold a 30", outside diameter, banked curved track. Eights to a circle. Cheers, Ron Morris - keeper of toy train trivia Toy Train Reference Library Train Collectors Association Strasburg PA USA" I hope this helps. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 6999	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Hey, Limburger Boy!

You are assuming that he even knows it is an O-27 train set. I think what he is looking is the price and how cheep he can get it. Larry busy-boy wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7000	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Hey, Limburger Boy!

Larry Jackman wrote: >You are assuming that he even knows it is an O-27 train set. I think what he is >looking is the price and how cheep he can get it. Actually, Larry, I'm not assuming any such thing. I have watched in fascination as a couple in Toys 'R' Us argued the merits of a Lionel starter set vs. the little battery operated New Bright "Village Express" set which is really not a toy but a decoration meant to enhance a Christmas display of ceramic houses. The wife liked the New Bright because it came with a station, it was cute, it had sounds, & it wasn't dangerous (electrically). Hubby liked the Lionel because it was Lionel, it was big like he remembered, and it was a real electric train (had a transformer in it). Wifey did not like the Lionel because it was black (the engine) and it wasn't "real" looking. The New Bright IS more realistically detailed, but hubby won out when he pointed out that the New Bright had small parts that the little monster might swallow. How do I remember this from two years ago? I took notes as soon as I got out to the car. It was an amazing interchange. Two to go (buy trains together) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7001	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 522

Re: Rotating Beacon Tom - The beacon tops rotate when properly configured because of the action of the heated air. The bulb heats air; the heated air rises through the vents; when the air strikes the fins, the air is deflected by the fins, imparting sideways energy to the fins, thereby causing the top to rotate in the direction opposite the way the fins point. If the fins are bent down, blocking the air vents, the air can't escape and won't turn the top. If the fins were to be bent straight up, that sideways deflection of the rising air would not occur and the top likewise would not rotate. Those fins should be cocked at something like a 20-30 degree angle for proper operation. Also, you might take a look at the tip of the pivot that touches the bulb. If for some reason it is not sharp, there could be too much friction at that point for the top to rotate. The only fix I can think of for that is a scarey one, replacing the pivot with a glued-in steel pin (drill out the existing pin and replace with part of a dress-making pin or needle - straight and at the proper height). I've never done that. It would require some good skills to pull that off without collateral damage. But, given that, it looks like it should be possible. Regards - Jim Armstrong > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 04:33:14 -0500 > From: Tom Young <T-Young@...> > Subject: Rotating Beacon > > Not to change the subject ( track radius ), but does anyone have any > advice on making the AF Beacon do what it supposed to do, rotate? I > picked up one a month ago, in nice shape but the top wasn't. So I bought > a repro top and a new bulb but can't get a single turn out of it. I > noticed that the old top's fins were not bent into the housing like the > fins on the repro top. They are bent up from the housing. I don't think > it matters though, looks like it would work either way. > I'm sure at least some of you fellows have this item on your railroads > and any help on tricks or tweaks to get this operating would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, Tom....... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7002	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: aluminum cars

<<To remove the floor remove the ends, spread the sides apart with your fingers, which takes some strength, and pop one side of the floor out of its groove. >> A great way to do this is to use a pair of Snap-On O-ring pliers. They're about a foot long, which gives you a lot of mech. advantage. Put the two tips on either side of the shell, squeeze, and the sides separate very nicely. I also use these to gently spread the sides of e-units when removing the drum; of KC trucks to remove the axles without breaking the sideframes loose (put the tips against the sheet-metal tabs....not against the sideframes); plus other uses I can't recall at the moment. They're not cheap items, but they're well worth having on the workbench. Available only from Snap-On tool salesmen. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7003	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: solenoids.

<<Are there any repro solinoids for the 759 ? road crossing.>> No, but they can be rewound easily. Likewise, the solenoid coils to any operating car or accessory, including the burned-out solenoids in RC turnouts. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7004	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/7/2000
Subject: Re: Yadda yadda yadda

All this reminds me of the pink engine fable from the 1950s. It started the Lionel Girls' Train, which I understand bombed, but was back to collector's value of $400. in 1972, and who knows what now. One of the ironies of a career in the public sector at municipal level is the citizen complaints you for even the littlest things. This is nothing compared to the zaniest stuff you get there. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7005	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: S-Trains.com & Chat

Big News! 1) S-Trains is now a registered domain. You can now tell your friends to direct their browsers to http://S-Trains.com . It makes it simplier than that long http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains . 2) I am considering moving our weekly Chat to yahoo (http://chat.yahoo.com/) Some of us have had trouble logging into the mIRC server network. Please log into Yahoo and give it a try. Yahoo has a "private' room option. This will reduce the number of drop-ins. Send me your thoughts off-line. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7006	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: Re: Railway Express Agency trucks

Vic Roseman has a book available about the Railway Express Agency (the FED EX of the day). It can be gotten from Scenery Unlimited. "Rhett T. George" wrote: > From: "Rhett T. George" <rtg@...> > > - Greeting`S' - > > W. Thomas Boussum asked a great question about an important part of > railroad > operation in years past, the Railway Express Agency. Yes, Thomas, the > trucks > were dark green, along with the agnecy's express cars (look much like > baggage > cars) and the platform carts (look much like baggage carts). The > green was > darker than Southern Railway Virginia green and lighter than Pennsy RR > bruns- > wick green, definitely not any hint of olive green. > > Trucks still in use in the '40's had quarter-elliptic springs on the > rear > axle (single tire and wheel on each side). The spring perch on the > frame > held the whole bundle of leaves with only the longest one or two > reaching > the axle. Chain drive would have been a distinctive feature of an > earlier > vintage. > > No doubt a full complement of Railway Express Agency equipment plus > the > operations center in a part of the station would double the activity > seen > at a passenger station. > > Thomas, thanks for bringing up this significant part of recent > railroad > history. > > Cheer`S' Rhett > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7007	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: [Fwd: S-Trains.com & Chat]

Sorry all, but Paul, I tried to reply to you there seems to be a problem trying to reply to your e-address. The new URL still sends me to your old URL. Is this right?? Do I have a prblem at my end?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7008	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: X57 Semaphore part

I have an AF semaphore that is marked (something - 5?)57 on the bottom. The problem is, there is a pin that's pressed into the semaphore blade to which the actuator linkage attaches. That pin is broken off. Is there a source for a replacement available for this critter? JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7009	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/8/2000
Subject: time out for a prototype problem!

Just spotted this on the net, thought some of us might want to know about this. S' David D. ALCO ALERT: The Danbury Railway Museum is trying to save a Former NEW HAVEN RAILROAD RS-11 # 1402 from the scrapper. The Museum recently learned that a company in Georgia was planning to strip the RS-11 for parts to use on their other RS-11's. Fast action by Museum member Ron Freitag prevented this from happening....for now. The Company has agreed to hold the Alco until funds were raised to purchase it. The Museum needs $ 18,000 to buy it plus another estimated $6,000 to move it to the museum site. THEY NEED YOUR HELP !!! Any size donation can help save this Historic RS-11 This is the ONLY NEW HAVEN RAILROAD Alco RS-11 in existence. The unit is fully operational and equipped with roller bearing trucks which could provide the means of running fan trips. HOW CAN YOU HELP? Send a donation to: The Danbury Railway Museum, P.O. Box 90, Danbury, CT 06813. Make the check out to the Danbury Railway Museum and mark in the memo: RS-11 Fund (John Mech - posted 2/08)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7010	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Switches

We have had a lot of interest in our switches as of late. Let me update everyone. The assembled test shots showed up about 2 weeks ago. We had these on display at the Springfield Mass show last weekend. As one may expect with a project this big, some corrections will be needed. Although we are very impressed by what we see. The ties, switch stand, lantern, and model of the adjustable rail braces are very nice. The operation is very smooth and the lantern rotated just as we had asked. They will need to work on the frog, electrical connections and the controller mechanism. The final product will isolate one leg, just like the AF switches. I am hoping to meet with Mr. Ting at Toy Fair next week in New York and discuss some of the changes that we would like to see. I suspect that these tooling changes will take a few weeks. I am hoping that production time can be reserved once the final test shot is approved and for us to see these this summer. Again, we expect the assembled test shots of the F-3 in late April. Don t. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping! Dave Ewing wrote: > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Don > > Do you hav any idea as to when the switches for the S-Trax System will be > available. Im not trying to rush you but since receiving the ICG starter set > for Christmas I am now anxious to start a permanent layout. My last layout > was forty years ago so there is really no big hurry. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7011	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotives

Dear friends on the list, I have my ICG starter set from SHS set up on the living room floor. It looks so good and runs so smooth that I have decided to build a permanent layout. I would like to get a steam engine and am considering AM's USRA 4-6-2. Would someone out there care to comment as to their satisfaction with that engine or should I keep looking. Also, how about track? What is your experience with SHS ( I know it is good) but how about AM track? There appears to be so much available in S that it looks like a good time to start again. Both Ron from AM and Tom from SHS have been very faithful in answering questions on the list and for that I am grateful. Much appreciation to all of you on the list Thanks Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7012	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: non text portions

Ted I don't have a clue what this "non text stuff" is all about. The last 2 posting I sent had NO "non text" material, yet the "non text portions of this message have been removed" was added to my postings. At least in some cases, you are missing nothing when you see this message. Tom Gerbasi on Feb 8 Ted wrote I have been seeing a lot of the above " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]" messages in the Digest and in the archives lately. What are they (what information am I missing?)? Are people including attachments? Whatever they are, be aware, they are not included in the archives or in my digest version. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7013	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA,DNS	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: X57 Semaphore part

Jim, Contact Doug Peck...I picked one up from him...Jeff --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7014	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Modelling in Kosovo

You may have noticed a couple of items recently from Andrew Baird. He's a coporal in the Canadian Armed Forces, currently serving with the international peacekeeping force in Kosovo. He tells me that "Besides the grenade attacks, rocket attacks, murders and vehicle/house searches in town all is calm for today. We had a big lockdown due to bomb scares (but) I actually have been getting some modelling done. In our spare time we sit in the radio repair shop and do a bit of modelling -- 3 of us, called the Kosovo RR Club. Sylvan Models is sending us some kits. Too bad no S Scale." I wonder how many Andrew Bairds there are over there. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7015	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives

Dave, I have a AM Pacific, B&O, from the first run and it is an excellent running lcoc. Mine is the scale version, but the AF compatible version comes with a bell and a whistle, neat! The latest run has a set of Pullmor type wheels so as to be able to pull down the walls of your house! I use S-H-S track on my small home layout and it is outstanding. Switches should be available some time this year. You should also look into American Models diesels and electric locos. I have the AM FP7, GP9/18, RS3 and the S2. They are excellent runners. The pride of my loco rooster is the AM GG-1, it is beautifully done. Also I have the S-H-S SW-9, trully an outstanding loco in detail and it performs flawlessly. Hope to see you in Winston-Salem this saturday. Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7016	From: David Butterfield	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Help

Does anyone know where I might be able to find a base for the flyer saw mill? Thanks...Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7017	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives

I am running the AM 4-6-2 on a combination of Flyer, Gargraves and AM track and switches, plus a couple of BK closing frog switches. It operates over all of these. Sometimes I Get a little clunk through one of my AM switch frogs when taking the turnout route from the point end but have had no derailments. I see a little wear on the plastic frog of that AM switch and will repair it(epoxy) if it ever gets bad enough. I endorse both the engine and the AM track and switches. Dave Ewing wrote: > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Dear friends on the list, > I have my ICG starter set from SHS set up on the living room floor. It looks so good and runs so smooth that I have decided to build a permanent layout. I would like to get a steam engine and am considering AM's USRA 4-6-2. Would someone out there care to comment as to their satisfaction with that engine or should I keep looking. Also, how about track? What is your experience with SHS ( I know it is good) but how about AM track? There appears to be so much available in S that it looks like a good time to start again. Both Ron from AM and Tom from SHS have been very faithful in answering questions on the list and for that I am grateful. > Much appreciation to all of you on the list > Thanks > Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Don�t buy your Valentine a Gift by clicking here. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/SparksValentine11 ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7018	From: Randall Griggs	Date: 2/9/2000
Subject: DINKY "S"tudebaker Tanker Truck Restoration

Hi "S" fans, Just wanted you to know that if you want to have an "S" Studebaker tanker truck on your "S" pike, you might want to take a look at my "story" at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/griggs/griggs.html or http://www.S-Trains.com/griggs/griggs.html I sent Paul several messages with attached photos. From it he created an excellent page. He also came up with the Avanti wall paper - - himself! The Avanti is what I'd REALLY like to see someone like ERTL/Racing Champions, Johnny Lightning, Matchbox, or Hot Wheels make. In 1/60-1/64 scale, of course! The reason I went with a "GULF" tanker is that my son, Scott, has been "gathering" AF GULF tank cars (for a GULF tank train) for a couple of years. I figured we needed some sort of tank truck to haul the gas from the rail terminal to the individual gas stations, etc. We've also got a couple of the AHL 1/64 MACK GULF tanker trucks, but I prefer the Studebaker! ;-) I want to again thank Paul for his fine work. Should you have any specific, detailed questions about the "S" Stude tanker truck restoration, please feel free to contact me off-line at: rlgriggs@... Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7019	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: 312 SIT

Help !! I recently got a nice 312 with the smoke in tender. But the bellows was almost totally disintegrated. So, I ordered one from Portlines and yesterday I proceeded to install it. I glued the material around the 2 fiberboard parts of the bellows unit and then connected the arm of the one to the wheel on the motor gear. Hooked the tender up to the engine and ........ Nothing !! If I disconnect the bellows from the motor, the thing spins like mad. Reconnect the bellows to the motor and it just won't budge. Of course in the process of trying to adjust the bellows unit I tore the material, so will have to order again. Any tricks I should know about for my next attempt ? Or is this the reason I keep seeing a replacement piston for the SIT units ? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7020	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives

Dave Ewing wrote: > I would like to get a steam engine and am considering > AM's USRA 4-6-2. Would someone out there care to comment as to their satisfaction with that engine or > should I keep looking. Also, how about track? What is your experience with SHS ( I know it is good) but > how about AM track? Dave, I also can recommend the AM Pacific. I have a scale version and am very satisfied with how it operates. My modular group (CHASM) has run these things in all versions (Scale, HiRail and AC) during shows with great success. When the Pacifc first came out, we had the opportunity to run an AC version on CHASM at one of Scenery Unlimited's open houses continuously for over three hours. The Pacific perfomed flawlessly. Regarding track: CHASM uses AM flex-track with great success. In spite of the fact that some of the modules are stored in less than ideal conditions, we have had no trouble the AM track since it was installed five years ago. After set-up, I run a Centerline track cleaning car around a few times, and we're good to go for the length of the show. Everything runs smoothly. Last year, I purchased S-Helper track for my annual Christmas loop. Set it up on the carpet and for two weeks I ran Old Flyer, New Flyer plus AM and SHS HiRail with no problem. The rails didn't gook up as it did when I used K-Line track, plus it stayed together. Also ran my Scale AM GG1 around as a test, it also ran fine around the 19" radius curves. I too, am eagerly awaiting switches from SHS for this year's Christmas loop. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7021	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Steam Whistle Control/Air Chime Control

Had my Air Chime Unit apart and was trying to fix when the recent talk came up regarding them. Thanks the 1000 grit paper did the trick and it is working perfectly. Now I have purchased a unit in a paper can marked "Steam Whistle Control". It came in the same type of Air Chime Control base and has the same pins as the air chime unit. The problem is it buzzing all the time. When I took it apart I see it has one more internal contact than the air chime unit. It is also wired differently. On the aiir chime unit the 15V control button power goes to the top of the coil. Not so on the Steam Whistle can. Does the Steam Whistle belong on a different base??????? Also a comment on this forum. Seems like the word wrap and justification is too wide. Makes it hard to read with words hanging off the ends. I have tried to limit width using hard returns..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7022	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: 312 SIT

Of course there are tricks. Here are a couple: 1.Use contact cement. Put it on the edges of the boards, the sides of the fabric and one side of the seam. Place the boards on the fabric, roll up to attach boards on fabric to three sides. Apply cement to other side of seam. roll up fourth side. Then hang the assembly from the hook and clip a 2 or 3 oz weight to the nozzle. Let it hang for a few hours or overnight to stretch out folds & wrinkles. If the bellows is too short it will jam. 2.If the bellows is rubbing against the floor it will jam. To correct this you can bend the arm down slightly so it lifts the bellows up . Good luck. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7023	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: AM products

In response to Dave Ewing, I don't have any of AM's steam engines (yet), but I do have their Alco PA ABA set in Southern Pacific colors and it's easily my favorite now. I am going to be buying a couple of their other diesel units soon since the PA's have turned out to be so good. I also bought a bunch of AM track and have been happy with that as well, although I also can't wait to try some of the SHS track when the switches go into production. With the price of AF seemingly going up, up and away, I'm getting more satisfaction spending my money on these nice new AM and SHS products. Maybe after the ebay effect dies down the prices of AF will fall a bit and I'll think differently, but I'm not holding my breath on that one...... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7024	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Glueing a tender step on

It was suggested that to make the bond stronger to drill a hole in the step and the chassis and reinforce the bond with a stiff wire like that from a paper clip. My question is how to match up the two holes so that a tight fit is achieved? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7025	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Randall Griggs and his Studebakers

Randall: Time now, 11:16 AM EST. You have 5 hours and 19 minutes. Do you have $5700 available? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=252756665 Just one of those things. I went to your page, then I saw this right after. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7026	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Wow, lookit this!

After hearing all about the coal loader to come by MTH, I found a link to the as-yet, unpublished 2000 #2 catalog. GEE!! The O guys have a LOT of stuff to choose from; varieties of track signals, grade crossings, etc. etc. Some of this stuff may be usable in S too!! Besides the coal loader there are some neat through-truss birdges that I'm sure are adaptable. There's also an operating fire station that the sirens go off, the lights come on, a firefighter slides down the pole, and the truck starts up, garage door opens and it drives around the corner. NEAT-O! I wonder if it would scale into S? Then there's a gas station--probably too big, that the garage door opens, the '56 or so chevy rolls out to the pump, and the pump starts dinging as the "ga" is pumped in. Cool! There's also a wayside station with passengers waiting. The train pulls up, and when it leaves, no waiting passengers! (they get elevated into the roof where you don't see them) Wow!! I wonder how "too big" this is?? Oh, where can you see all this stuff? go to: http://204.156.4.220/catalog/ and click on "accessories" The coal loader is about 11 pages in! (can you believe all these accessories???) S' David D PS, NO!! I am not switching to O!!!! But I am a little jealous!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7027	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: 312 SIT

Scott, After gluing on the new material, it must be folded to function properly. The initial folding sets the cloth into a pattern it somehow "remembers" and usually stays there. If you haven't folded the cloth, it will resist movement, prossibly enough to keep the motor from pushing it in and out. I haven't used material from the "usual sources" as I've been in player piano repair a long time and have some ultra light action bellows cloth that I think works very well, and is probably what ACG originally used. Maybe that's what the dealers sell too! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7028	From: Drgw489@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: An Old S Scaler Fades Away

It is with deep sadness that I report the passing of Tom Coughlan, of Melrose, Massachusetts. Tom was one of the pioneers in S scale, and was responsible for a great many of us in the Bristol Club becoming S gaugers, in the first place. A kinder, more generous personal will not be found on this planet, and he will be missed by all who knew him. Tom passed on yesterday (February 9th) after a long illness. He is being waked today and the funeral is tomorrow. S scale has truly lost another great one. Sincerely, Wayne Hills

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7029	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)

Not that I really want to fill up you mailboxes with more E-bay stuff, but this is just so strange to me. I put 24 1970's vintage issues on auction with a starting bid of $35 and received no bids. I relisted, with a starting bid of $5 and just had them go for $57! Does anyone understand the psychology involved here? -Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7030	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)

Hi Roy and List Brethren, No need to be sorry - a lot of us dip into eBay on a daily basis. This minimum bid psychology is the fundamental reason why there are the dreaded reserve price auctions. Often, people will not even look at an item with a minimum near the actual 'market value'. They will look at one with a lower minimum and once they look, they get hooked. Getting them to look is the trick. I suppose that is why some TV ads are visually stimulating - just get them to look and you have a chance to get your message across. On a slightly related topic, I attended an Antiques and Collectibles show at the Palm Beach Fairgrounds this weekend. One of the sellers had a Flyer 322 for sale. The coupler on the tender was broken - the link was entirely missing. He told me that that is the way those couplers were back in the 40's. The engine cab had been hand brushed under the windows, where the numbers are printed. Then, the 322 had been printed in nice new silver paint. It was possible to see the brush marks from the painting. The entire engine had been sprayed (very nicely) with a clear overcoat to provide a uniform appearance. If one did not know what to look for, it might have seemed to be brand new. The fun part was that he was asking $265 for it. I looked on eBay when I returned and found a half-dozen 322's in better condition for an average of about $100. I guess there are dealers to avoid in person as well as at online auctions. Later, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Roy Plotnick <plotnick@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000 1:43 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Ebay Strangeness (sorry) >From: Roy Plotnick <plotnick@...> > >Not that I really want to fill up you mailboxes with more E-bay stuff, but >this is just so strange to me. >I put 24 1970's vintage issues on auction with a starting bid of $35 and >received no bids. I relisted, with a starting bid of $5 and just had them >go for $57! Does anyone understand the psychology involved here? >-Roy >Roy E. Plotnick >Professor >Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences >University of Illinois at Chicago >845 W. Taylor St. >Chicago, IL 60607 >plotnick@... >phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 >web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7031	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Strangeness (sorry)

Roy, Nope. If we could there would be no challenge to marketing!!! I listed some die cast cars and put the opening bids under what I paid for them thinking it would get the bidding going hot & heavy. Only had one bidder on them, and had to sell for less than I paid!! Am I the only guy who has lost money selling on eBay?? In my familiy we call this the "Dewey Touch." Bought my house 20 years ago for 45,500, and the identical one next door has been empty three years, is now listed at 52,600 and make offer. Want to know what to invest in? Ask a Dewey, then go do the opposite thing! Wait, I'm in S. uh oh. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7032	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Randall Griggs and his Studebakers

Well woopdie-do. It's a hot rod with a studebaker body on it. The flatbed is nice, but just some custom built thing. Gee, I'm in the wrong business, authenic stuff doesn't get these prices! (hmm, does that tie into my previous post about the "Dewey Touch"?). Can't belive these eBay prices! Wonder what I would have gotten for my early '46 chev club coupe (one of the first 400 made) if eBay had been around. I understand it is now in Italy! The car had restored interior (with complete woodgrained dash, as original), great running gear, but in need of a new paint job & we sold for 2,400--and we were happy!! Back to trains!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7033	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Re: Another loss

More sad news for S.... One of the Bristol S-Gaugers earliest members passed on yesterday. We lost Tom Coughlan. Many of you may recall that Tom's scale Berkshire Central RR was sold a few years back, lock-stock-and-barrel, to Bob Wall. Bob moved it all to Maine, to be merged with his own Penobscot Central S-scale RR. Then, Bob was idagnosed with a brain tumor and died shortly afterward. The entire combined RRs and collections then went to Scenery Unlimited, where Don H is still disposing of some of the last of the equipment. Tom was a former Bernie Thomas Award winner in NASG, and he will be missed by many of us in S. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7034	From: john foley	Date: 2/10/2000
Subject: Fw: Reading and Northern

----- Original Message ----- From: john foley To: S-Scale Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Reading and Northern Hi Folks I hope you enjoy the following website http://www.readingnorthern.com/ This is the railroading that I enjoy in my part of PA. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7035	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Simulating wood / Cost of Brass?

> From: BlackDiamondRR@... > Subject: cabooses > > Just a thought on the caboose discussion going on, I really don't care for a > "wood" caboose that's made out of anything other than real "wood", so a There have been many articles, especially in Mainline Modeler (MM) stating that slightly roughened styrene produces a "better" scale simulation of wood than does actual wood. The grain of actual wood is way to coarse for 1:64th scale, unless you want to simulate distressed wood. Hence the use of sanding sealer on kits of yore, even for areas that represent wood on the prototype. Comments anyone? For you on S-trains, please cc: me off-line. I'll summarize the responses as I did with the light-weight module question a few weeks ago. > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > Subject: How many is enough > > Further along this track...how much is enough , how many is too many?? > Do any of us actualy set finite limits to what we doas modelers. Do we say > wish for some abitrary number of Locos or frieght cars , once reached think, > nope!! no more for me. Yes, I set limits. I try to buy 1-3 of almost every SHS or AM freight car that fits my 1965 time frame, because doing so quickly adds variety to my roster, and supports the manufacturers (okay, I'm an impulse buyer). But I got into this scale because I like to build models, including kitbashing and scratchbuilding, so I DO want to leave room in my roster for that part of model railroading. > The great irony ,especially for some freight cars is that the money if pooled, > that goes into the brass item to produce a couple of hundred if that, could > pay for die work for a plastic model. > > cheers >:~)) Richard I have wondered about this also. I have not run the math, but it is obvious that once a brass run gets to a certain size, the dollars ARE sufficient to tool up for a larger volume production method (flat casting, injection molding). Comments anyone? Is there a rule of thumb for a production quantity where it is better to switch from brass to a higher volume production method? Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7036	From: Bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: eBay psychology

In a message dated 2/11/00 5:27:41 AM EST, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 11 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 12:44:36 -0600 From: Roy Plotnick <plotnick@...> Subject: Ebay Strangeness (sorry) Not that I really want to fill up you mailboxes with more E-bay stuff, but this is just so strange to me. I put 24 1970's vintage issues on auction with a starting bid of $35 and received no bids. I relisted, with a starting bid of $5 and just had them go for $57! Does anyone understand the psychology involved here? -Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm ------------------------------------------------------- As one who bid on your revised auction and has sold many things on ebay, I would say that a low starting price with no reserve is the best way to get the bidding started. I usually start with a $1 price, even for valuable items. Bidders are looking for a bargain, but once the bidding starts, they don't want to lose out to the other guy. Psychology, I guess. I have rarely got less than what I felt an item was worth using this strategy. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7037	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Wow, lookit this!

David Dewey wrote: > Besides the coal loader there are some neat through-truss birdges that > I'm sure are adaptable. There's also an operating fire station that the > sirens go off, the lights come on, a firefighter slides down the pole, and > the truck starts up, garage door opens and it drives around the corner. > NEAT-O! I wonder if it would scale into S? > Then there's a gas station--probably too big, that the garage door opens, > the '56 or so chevy rolls out to the pump, and the pump starts dinging as > the "ga" is pumped in. Cool! There's also a wayside station with passengers > waiting. The train pulls up, and when it leaves, no waiting passengers! > (they get elevated into the roof where you don't see them) Wow!! I wonder > how "too big" this is?? Unfortunately, the Fire House, like the gas station is WAY too big. Unlike the houses and depot, MTH has been scaling the operating accesories closer to "O" than "S". Not surprising, since that's his primary market. The operating wayside station han't been released yet, but if this accessory is scaled towards the depot, it may be usable for "S". If you want to see HUGE, check out the Hell Gate Bridge. Like the prototype, it's BIG! You probably could get three S gauge tracks down this puppy. For you modular guys, this thing could almost be a module all by itself. Since MTH has announced a repro of one flyer accessory, you don't suppose we'll see more? One could hope... Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7038	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Wow, lookit this!

I'm not going over to "O" either, but ebay just lost another bidder. I'm spending my money on some of those accessories. The prices are great and the size is close enough to "S" for me. MTH has a hit there. The operating passenger/freight station. The operating fire station ( I will have to change the truck out for an ambulance :-) ) And especially the $149 coal loader. Maybe some day Mike will wake up and scale some for us too. But until then ........ Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7039	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 524

In a message dated 02/10/2000 4:39:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 6 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:28:04 EST From: TPDavis7@... Subject: Re: Steam Locomotives >> I've been very please with my AM Southern Crescent, the only non-flyer engine on my layout. Still have not been able to reverse it through Flyer switches without derailing but otherwise, very smooth, powerful, and great sound. Robert E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7040	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: bellows

I don't know what material Doug sells, but I'm familiar with some replacement bellows material that is simply to rigid for the bellows motor to buckle, push, and pull back. The "pre-creasing" sounds like a good idea, one other suggestion had been to use umbrella material or similar raincoat material as they are typically able to contain air, but more supple and easier for the motor to deal with. When mine blows out, as they all evetually do, I'm going to try that or convert over to the cylinder. In anticipation of this one day happening I purchased replacement material (not sure from whom anymore) and I can already see that in such a short "tubular" configuration, its wall strength would be to much for that little motor to crush and expand. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7041	From: David Butterfield	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: bellows

I have used dollar bills as bellows materal. They hold the crease and are less rigid as the replacement material I've seen. They also have the advantage of being cheeper. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <David_Horn@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 9:01 AM Subject: [S-Trains] bellows > From: David_Horn@... > > I don't know what material Doug sells, but I'm familiar with some > replacement bellows material that is simply to rigid for the bellows motor > to buckle, push, and pull back. The "pre-creasing" sounds like a good idea, > one other suggestion had been to use umbrella material or similar raincoat > material as they are typically able to contain air, but more supple and > easier for the motor to deal with. When mine blows out, as they all > evetually do, I'm going to try that or convert over to the cylinder. In > anticipation of this one day happening I purchased replacement material (not > sure from whom anymore) and I can already see that in such a short "tubular" > configuration, its wall strength would be to much for that little motor to > crush and expand. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative2SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7042	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Set composition

Anyone have a handle on what a 490-T set contained? TIA - Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7043	From: Richard	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Another bloody Survey...PARTS??

Hi all!! Yep me again with cyber folder/pad in hand...:-)) Why does this guy ask so many questions?? (like this one) I do try to push the info in the right direction...and the results will make a difference one day!! (well Ill be trying anyhows) Now wew are starting to get an idea of some of the "wish list" items for amny of us out here in "S" land.....however many answers in the past have been for "complete" items. These by there nature require a lot of effort etc etc etc (always picture Yul Brynner whenI say that!!) Now with some thought and conversations subjecting kitbashing and such thought it might be an idea to survey all for their PARTS-wish list Now as there is already some folk specialising in AF repro parts etc I ask that we stick to non-flyer answers here please. If however you might be loking for some part to augment some existing Flyer product, i.e bashing project, thenthats in the scope of this survey!! What Im after is some idea to bits an pieces in the various categories..like Locomotives, freight and Pass cars, structures..etc etc etc (there's Yul again!!) You might mention whether you prefer , white-metal, bras, plastic or other for these bits. Answer on ths list or privately..which ever suits... I'll be happy to provide results to anyone intersted as well as giving feedback to these listts as sufficient info presents itself. Thanks :-) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7044	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: SIT bellows

In a message dated 2/11/00 5:27:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Hooked the tender up to the engine and ........ Nothing !! If I disconnect the bellows from the motor, the thing spins like mad. Reconnect the bellows to the motor and it just won't budge. >> Are you sure the "lever arm" that connects the rear fiber-board of the bellows to the round gear is right-side-up????? If you installed that rear board upside-down, the lever will bind up against the gear drive. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7045	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online mIRC chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online mIRC chat session. Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online mIRC chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm for details

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7046	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Simulating wood / Cost of Brass?

You know........... if one of you has a need a real wood caboose, I have one unbuilt Kinsman wood N.P. caboose kit I could part with. It is real wood and looks complete. I have no idea of value. eric reis kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: <mhrreast@...> To: <s-scale@onelist.com>; <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 2:37 AM Subject: [S-Scale] Simulating wood / Cost of Brass? > From: mhrreast@... > > > > From: BlackDiamondRR@... > > Subject: cabooses > > > > Just a thought on the caboose discussion going on, I really don't care > for a > > "wood" caboose that's made out of anything other than real "wood", so > a > > There have been many articles, especially in Mainline Modeler (MM) > stating > that slightly roughened styrene produces a "better" scale simulation > of wood than does actual wood. > I DO want to leave room in my roster for that > > > > cheers >:~)) Richard > > I have wondered about this also. > > Ted Larson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7047	From: Steve Jones	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: The Badgerland S Gaugers are on the WWW

The Badgerland S Gaugers are busy preparing for the Silver Anniversary edition of the Fall S Fest. One of the things that we have done inn preparation for the event is establish a WWW site at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg The site just went on-line last night so expect to see additions to the site soon. Please visit the site and let us know what you think of it. While you are there you might want to place an order for the Milwaukee Road Reefer and then follow up with a call to Mac to register for S Fest. Don't miss this - it's going to be a great time! Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7048	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Re: Set composition

According to Bob Tuft's book, Either a 300 or a 300AC, 640, 639,638,12-702,690,704,1 The version with the 300AC also had 12-693 Jim Armstrong wrote: > Anyone have a handle on what a 490-T set contained? TIA - Jim > Armstrong [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7049	From: Richard	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: got to to wondering why not??

Guys (are there any gals??) Thats not he question..but its a good one!! Are there any lady modelers on this list?? I digress ..how unusual...you laugh now...you wait..I'll get over there in the next few years and then you're in trouble :-)) The real question ...!! Those of youwho do not like, build or otherwise care for kits!! what is it that puts you off them??? As someone putting together one I have a vested interest...but Im sure others would apreciate any comments. cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7050	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Another new Distributor

Pick up Train Center Distributors - 506 South Broadway - Denver, CO 80209-4002 today. Just letting everybody know. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7051	From: Cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Kits

Richard writes "Those of youwho do not like, build or otherwise care for kits!! what is it that puts you off them???" Richard, I have short little fat hands, and even in S-gauge the parts can be hard for me to handle. I also have no place to work on kits as of now. Therefore, RTR for me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7052	From: aztecfan@yahoo.com	Date: 2/11/2000
Subject: Dr. thesis for one of your Grandkids

I think S gauge people may be different then people who model in other gauges. I tell people I am used to rejection. My trains were AF and not Lionel. My bike was a Roadmaster Luxary Line and not a Schwinn Black Phantom. Always drove Buicka and not Ford or Chev. I did get out of the TI computer because I did not want to be left behind again. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7053	From: Anormal1@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: 3985 CHALLENGER

Hi Guys the3985 Challenger will be at the L.A. Union Station track #8 in Aug . Will send more info. later Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7054	From: James Wysopal	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: extracting old light bulbs

I recently had to replace a bulb attached to a boiler front piece. HOW does one get adult fingers around said bulb? I have the same problem with bulbs in switches. Remember the bulb has not been moved since it was installed. I was thinking of getting some soft plastic tubing to push down on the bulb and then twist it out. Any suggestions would be appreciated. thanks, Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7055	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: got to to wondering why not??

Richard, If you question is why do some of us do not care for kits, in my case, I am NOT very good at putting the railroad versions together with any type of success that the finished unit looks decent. When I was younger(much!!) I did some Revel@ airplane kits and except for the decals, they did not look half bad. I was light on the glue and gave them plent of time to dry before attepting the next assembly. Of course they had line up spots (holes and pinnes), that helped keeping things straight. Now, I am NOT interested in being a railroad civil engineer. I want the results, not the headaches of construction. I want the enjoyment of things that are properly constructed and work well together. Was that not the goal and still is of the NMRA of which the NASG is part of? (both of which I belong to). I want to enjoy the running of a semi complete railroad in my life time. I want to enjoy the works of those who construct and are willing to share they enjoyment (S Helper Service, American Models). Richard wrote: > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > > Guys (are there any gals??) > > Thats not he question..but its a good one!! Are there any lady > modelers on > this list?? > > I digress ..how unusual...you laugh now...you wait..I'll get over > there in the > next few years and then you're in trouble :-)) > > The real question ...!! > > Those of youwho do not like, build or otherwise care for kits!! what > is it > that puts you off them??? > > As someone putting together one I have a vested interest...but Im sure > others > would apreciate any comments. > > cheers >:~)) Richard > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7056	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: MTH and S gauge

Scott Brown mentioned a hope that MTH might someday produce S. It has been a while since I talked about it on this list and many of the members of this list may have joined since then. I provided info on that about a year and a half ago. Mike gave a talk at the Virginia Train Collectors and that was one of the questions I asked of him. His response was he would do S scale when he could get the (sound) electronics he has in his O scale into an S scale loco. I don't know what he is waiting for. That can be done. But that is OK we have several fine manufactures right now that know us S gaugers which MTH would not know. I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and those who came from S gauge. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7057	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Sunday night Chat

This Sunday Night, Chat is moving to Yahoo. check out http://chat.yahoo.com/ Go to the S-Trains room, I will try to get there early and set up the chairs. We gather about 8:00 pm EST, and go till everybody has had enough. I will also be monitoring mIRC chat incase someone has a problem or does not notice this note. If you need gelp getting there send me a note. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7058	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: Kits

Cbtrainnut@... wrote: > > From: Cbtrainnut@... > > Richard writes "Those of youwho do not like, build or otherwise care for > kits!! what is it > that puts you off them???" > > Richard, I have short little fat hands, and even in S-gauge the parts can be > hard for me to handle. I also have no place to work on kits as of now. > Therefore, RTR for me. > Sorry, no excuse!! ;-) The best way to improve modeling results, and to get around the 'hard for me to handle' problem, is with a good assortment of tweezers, standard and cross-lock (self-closing), and hemostats. These hold the small parts very well. I keep at least 6+ on the bench at all times. As for space, a TV tray and a plastic tackle box to hold the tools is all that is necessary for most jobs. While in the Navy, I built several freight cars in my desk drawer during lunch! Let's put 'modeling' back into model railroading! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7059	From: Lewis Webb	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Rail King Accessories

Hi Does anyone out there know if the 4 Railking accessories will fit an AF layout. The #'s are: 30-9029 #193 Industrial Water Tower; 30-9025 #395 Floodlight Tower; 30-9027 #455 Oil Derrick; and 30-9005 Passenger Station with Dual Platforms. If anyone knows, please advise. Thanks for the help. Lewis dcell@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7060	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Resistor value????

Hello Anybody who is a railroader and knows something about electronics, What is the value of a resistor with red, red, black, red stripes on a light blue body?? A friend, who has gone on to EOT put one in my Hudson, and it seems to cut down the power to the smoke unit. I would like to replace it with a variable resistor( does such a thing exist???) and try to put my Hudson back together. I think I really messed up, but I got to give it a try. Also one of the wires came off the head light, so this SHOULD be really fun. Since we are talking wired for DCC, this is going to be FUN, FUN process for me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7061	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Need info

I need some info on Train Center Distributors. Do they sell to other hobby shops? I know they are a.k.a. in some way or another Caboose Hobbies. I heard they sell ONLY to Caboose Hobbies. If this is the case, I may not consider selling my decals to Train Center Distributors. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7062	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Re: Resistor value????

Hi Michael: I don't know why the there's a red band as your fourth band, as that's reserved for tolerance, and is typically gold or silver (unless the gold has changed color from age and/or overheating and appears red). You didn't say what the wattage is, which is a function of the physical size of the resistor. You can calculate the power from P=I(E) or P = I squared (R), or P = E squared/ R. In any case, red, red, black is 22 ohms--which sounds about right. We used to remember the color code by the following ditty; Bad Boys Ruin Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly (Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Grey, White), corresponding to 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,and 9, respectively. Gold in the 4th band indicates 5% tolerance and silver is 10%. If there's no fourth band, the tolerance is +/-20%. Hope that helps. Oh yes, the 3rd band can be gold or silver as a divider for values less than 1 ohm. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Michael A. Scivoletti [mailto:cbat1244@...] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:39 PM To: S-Trains Members Subject: [S-Trains] Resistor value???? From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> Hello Anybody who is a railroader and knows something about electronics, What is the value of a resistor with red, red, black, red stripes on a light blue body?? A friend, who has gone on to EOT put one in my Hudson, and it seems to cut down the power to the smoke unit. I would like to replace it with a variable resistor( does such a thing exist???) and try to put my Hudson back together. I think I really messed up, but I got to give it a try. Also one of the wires came off the head light, so this SHOULD be really fun. Since we are talking wired for DCC, this is going to be FUN, FUN process for me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7063	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7064	From: NYC17819@aol.com	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: Kits

The main reason I shied away from most S gauge kits was the problem of having to obtain the trucks and the couplers separately. In my scale days I greatly enjoyed building two Kinsman NP cabooses and an express reefer (I forget the maker) but that was when I bought converted KD couplers in quantity so as to have some on hand, plus a bunch of Enhorning passenger car trucks. I still have some of the couplers, but the Enhorning trucks were cast from white metal (Zamac) of poor quality and they long since deteriorated. If someone were to come out with the NP caboose kits again with SHS trucks and couplers, I'd definitely be interested. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7065	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/12/2000
Subject: TTOS cars for 2000

Hi all, My "spy" has seen the S gauge crane. He says it looks better than the 944!! I realize this is just one guy's opinion, but he's been in S a LOOONG time, and, I thnk, has a pretty good eye. So there's the first report on this new car. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7066	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: More chat help

Sorry to bother you with yet another chat note. I got several notes from folks that could not find the s-trains chat room. It is a temporary room that I create when I log on. I included some instructions on how to get there on Sunday nights. http://www.S-Trains.com/chat/chat.htm -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7067	From: GPMLG@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Does anyone like this stuff?

There was a good deal on ebay and no one bid. It's the new S GAUGE BALLAST that was listed for 6.99 (5lbs) with free shipping. As a lot of you know, to ship 5 lbs. cost 6.50 so the ballast would have only cost you 44 cent for the 5 lbs.bag. Ebay Item #254447127 To see this new ballast go to: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=31113&a=1706345

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7068	From: Ted Walton	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Information wanted on S-Gauge layout at Springs Museum

Between 1972 and 1985 there was a 21 ft x 18 ft S-gauge layout in one of the buildings at the Springs Museum in Springs, Penna. Springs is located about 2 miles north of Grantsville, Md, which is located off I-68 in the very western part of Maryland (geography lesson over). The display was built over a 36 year period by James Lancaster and was referred to as the "Mountain Lake and Western Railroad". As a very, very long shot for this group, I'm looking for pictures of that display that you might have taken and would be willing to share with me. Of course, I would pay for cost of copying and shipping. As time goes on, history gets harder and harder to trace down, but it can be fun. Ted Walton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7069	From: S-Trains-owner@onelist.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 13, 2000 Time: 08:00PM - 09:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7070	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Mike and S

Wayne Beachy wrote: >I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and >those who came from S gauge. Wayne: I don't care where he's from. Mike has the resources to produce big RTR steam like Big Boys and Challengers in any gauge. He has the plans, he has the depth of pockets, he has the infrastructure. He might be concerned that he does not have a complete product, in that he would have to tool up for track, accessories, loads, a whole line of cars and what not. That is what we need to bring home to him. We don't require that. S-gaugers are used to combining the equipment of several manufacturers. Mike makes a GG-1, so does Lionel and Williams. That's kind of wasteful. In S, AM makes the GG-1. There is no need for SHS to make one. We already have it. SHS is making the F-3. I doubt AM will bother with it. No need for anyone else to tool up a USRA light Pacific, either. In O gauge, everybody makes everything. It's confusing and redundant. There is a spiteful attempt to keep or win brand loyalty, and the O gauge guys are right in the trap. However, there are a lot of toys in that trap! I don't want Mike to compete with Ron and Don. I want him to add to the treasure. I'd like to see Mike make us some big engines at a reasonable price. Maybe we can get in on his new command system. We don't need track. We could use some more operating accessories. Something different in passenger cars, too. No box cars. We got 'em. And NO hoppers! In fact, he could begin by recognizing some of the stuff we have from other manufacturers and build us some accessories that work with 'em. How about a Tank Train depot or some silos for grain with a loading chute deal to the track underneath, or a dry concrete handling dock, or a TOFC loading facility. Here's an idea, how about a container yard with gantry and some well cars? Mike has tried so hard to become Lionel. He now is the alternate Lionel. The O guys either love him or hate him. I think you gotta love him. He made it a party. I think we should be reaping some of those rewards, however. Since Mike wants to be Lionel, he could try his hand at being American Flyer. Me, I just want some die-cast articulated steamers with those cool sound systems that run the chuffing in and out of acoustic phase. Come on, Santa Mike. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7071	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Dear Chris, Usually I agree with most of your really good ideas, but I am starting to wonder on this last one regarding the UP Big Boys and Challengers in "S". Yes, Mike has done a beautiful job on this in "O" gauge (Remember, that is technically pronounced "zero" gauge). But, he had the advantage of the original Lionel company producing curves that these monsters can negotiate (that is 0-54 and 0-72). While marketing both the full length American Models R-T-R heavy weight Pullmans (83') and the light weight passenger car kits (85') we noticed a significant decrease in interest due to the fact that they would not negotiate Flyer curves. The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 (ugh!). I for one would be very hesitant to invest in such an iffy project. But, maybe you know something that I do not? Don T. busy-boy wrote: > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > Wayne Beachy wrote: > >I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and > >those who came from S gauge. > > Wayne: > I don't care where he's from. Mike has the resources to produce big RTR > steam like Big Boys and Challengers in any gauge. He has the plans, he has > the depth of pockets, he has the infrastructure. He might be concerned > that he does not have a complete product, in that he would have to tool up > for track, accessories, loads, a whole line of cars and what not. That is > what we need to bring home to him. We don't require that. S-gaugers are > used to combining the equipment of several manufacturers. > > Mike makes a GG-1, so does Lionel and Williams. That's kind of wasteful. > In S, AM makes the GG-1. There is no need for SHS to make one. We already > have it. SHS is making the F-3. I doubt AM will bother with it. No need > for anyone else to tool up a USRA light Pacific, either. In O gauge, > everybody makes everything. It's confusing and redundant. There is a > spiteful attempt to keep or win brand loyalty, and the O gauge guys are > right in the trap. However, there are a lot of toys in that trap! > > I don't want Mike to compete with Ron and Don. I want him to add to the > treasure. I'd like to see Mike make us some big engines at a reasonable > price. Maybe we can get in on his new command system. We don't need track. > We could use some more operating accessories. Something different in > passenger cars, too. No box cars. We got 'em. And NO hoppers! In fact, > he could begin by recognizing some of the stuff we have from other > manufacturers and build us some accessories that work with 'em. How about a > Tank Train depot or some silos for grain with a loading chute deal to the > track underneath, or a dry concrete handling dock, or a TOFC loading > facility. Here's an idea, how about a container yard with gantry and some > well cars? > > Mike has tried so hard to become Lionel. He now is the alternate Lionel. > The O guys either love him or hate him. I think you gotta love him. He > made it a party. I think we should be reaping some of those rewards, > however. Since Mike wants to be Lionel, he could try his hand at being > American Flyer. Me, I just want some die-cast articulated steamers with > those cool sound systems that run the chuffing in and out of acoustic phase. > > Come on, Santa Mike. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7072	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: extracting old light bulbs

Hi S Gaugers, Comment on Light bulb changing. I use a wire nut to grab onto the bulb. This wire nut has a vinyl cover which has a soft texture. It grabs the bulb and the nut itself lends to convenient twisting action because of it's shape. I'm sure these can be found near you. The size I think is for 14Ga or 12Ga wire. Who makes them I don't know. ...Discovered that American Models 40' trailers fit conveniently onto Showcase Line TOFC (flat cars). I believe the reverse could also be true for the smaller trailers on the AM Spine cars. The Spine set is a beauty. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7073	From: Ron Brady	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Bulb Removal

Hi, I thought there would be 100's of tips on bulb removal but not very many. tried a lot of different things, and found a small piece of sandpaper works well. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7074	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Would HO be called Half Zero gauge???????? I Have never heard O being called Zero gauge. Larry Don Thompson wrote: > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > > Dear Chris, > Usually I agree with most of your really good ideas, but I am starting to > wonder on this last one regarding the UP Big Boys and Challengers in "S". Yes, > Mike has done a beautiful job on this in "O" gauge (Remember, that is > technically pronounced "zero" gauge). But, he had the advantage of the > original Lionel company producing curves that these monsters can negotiate > (that is 0-54 and 0-72). While marketing both the full length American Models > R-T-R heavy weight Pullmans (83') and the light weight passenger car kits (85') > we noticed a significant decrease in interest due to the fact that they would > not negotiate Flyer curves. > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 > (ugh!). I for one would be very hesitant to invest in such an iffy project. > But, maybe you know something that I do not? > Don T. > > busy-boy wrote: > > > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > > > Wayne Beachy wrote: > > >I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and > > >those who came from S gauge. > > > > Wayne: > > I don't care where he's from. Mike has the resources to produce big RTR > > steam like Big Boys and Challengers in any gauge. He has the plans, he has > > the depth of pockets, he has the infrastructure. He might be concerned > > that he does not have a complete product, in that he would have to tool up > > for track, accessories, loads, a whole line of cars and what not. That is > > what we need to bring home to him. We don't require that. S-gaugers are > > used to combining the equipment of several manufacturers. > > > > Mike makes a GG-1, so does Lionel and Williams. That's kind of wasteful. > > In S, AM makes the GG-1. There is no need for SHS to make one. We already > > have it. SHS is making the F-3. I doubt AM will bother with it. No need > > for anyone else to tool up a USRA light Pacific, either. In O gauge, > > everybody makes everything. It's confusing and redundant. There is a > > spiteful attempt to keep or win brand loyalty, and the O gauge guys are > > right in the trap. However, there are a lot of toys in that trap! > > > > I don't want Mike to compete with Ron and Don. I want him to add to the > > treasure. I'd like to see Mike make us some big engines at a reasonable > > price. Maybe we can get in on his new command system. We don't need track. > > We could use some more operating accessories. Something different in > > passenger cars, too. No box cars. We got 'em. And NO hoppers! In fact, > > he could begin by recognizing some of the stuff we have from other > > manufacturers and build us some accessories that work with 'em. How about a > > Tank Train depot or some silos for grain with a loading chute deal to the > > track underneath, or a dry concrete handling dock, or a TOFC loading > > facility. Here's an idea, how about a container yard with gantry and some > > well cars? > > > > Mike has tried so hard to become Lionel. He now is the alternate Lionel. > > The O guys either love him or hate him. I think you gotta love him. He > > made it a party. I think we should be reaping some of those rewards, > > however. Since Mike wants to be Lionel, he could try his hand at being > > American Flyer. Me, I just want some die-cast articulated steamers with > > those cool sound systems that run the chuffing in and out of acoustic phase. > > > > Come on, Santa Mike. > > > > Two to go, > > Chris Zizzo > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs > are now shipping! > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7075	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Dear Larry, Have you heard of #1 gauge and #2 gauge? Well smaller than #1 should be Zero. Don T. lawrence jackman wrote: > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > > Would HO be called Half Zero gauge???????? I Have never heard O being called Zero > gauge. > Larry > > Don Thompson wrote: > > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > > > > Dear Chris, > > Usually I agree with most of your really good ideas, but I am starting to > > wonder on this last one regarding the UP Big Boys and Challengers in "S". Yes, > > Mike has done a beautiful job on this in "O" gauge (Remember, that is > > technically pronounced "zero" gauge). But, he had the advantage of the > > original Lionel company producing curves that these monsters can negotiate > > (that is 0-54 and 0-72). While marketing both the full length American Models > > R-T-R heavy weight Pullmans (83') and the light weight passenger car kits (85') > > we noticed a significant decrease in interest due to the fact that they would > > not negotiate Flyer curves. > > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 > > (ugh!). I for one would be very hesitant to invest in such an iffy project. > > But, maybe you know something that I do not? > > Don T. > > > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > > > > > Wayne Beachy wrote: > > > >I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and > > > >those who came from S gauge. > > > > > > Wayne: > > > I don't care where he's from. Mike has the resources to produce big RTR > > > steam like Big Boys and Challengers in any gauge. He has the plans, he has > > > the depth of pockets, he has the infrastructure. He might be concerned > > > that he does not have a complete product, in that he would have to tool up > > > for track, accessories, loads, a whole line of cars and what not. That is > > > what we need to bring home to him. We don't require that. S-gaugers are > > > used to combining the equipment of several manufacturers. > > > > > > Mike makes a GG-1, so does Lionel and Williams. That's kind of wasteful. > > > In S, AM makes the GG-1. There is no need for SHS to make one. We already > > > have it. SHS is making the F-3. I doubt AM will bother with it. No need > > > for anyone else to tool up a USRA light Pacific, either. In O gauge, > > > everybody makes everything. It's confusing and redundant. There is a > > > spiteful attempt to keep or win brand loyalty, and the O gauge guys are > > > right in the trap. However, there are a lot of toys in that trap! > > > > > > I don't want Mike to compete with Ron and Don. I want him to add to the > > > treasure. I'd like to see Mike make us some big engines at a reasonable > > > price. Maybe we can get in on his new command system. We don't need track. > > > We could use some more operating accessories. Something different in > > > passenger cars, too. No box cars. We got 'em. And NO hoppers! In fact, > > > he could begin by recognizing some of the stuff we have from other > > > manufacturers and build us some accessories that work with 'em. How about a > > > Tank Train depot or some silos for grain with a loading chute deal to the > > > track underneath, or a dry concrete handling dock, or a TOFC loading > > > facility. Here's an idea, how about a container yard with gantry and some > > > well cars? > > > > > > Mike has tried so hard to become Lionel. He now is the alternate Lionel. > > > The O guys either love him or hate him. I think you gotta love him. He > > > made it a party. I think we should be reaping some of those rewards, > > > however. Since Mike wants to be Lionel, he could try his hand at being > > > American Flyer. Me, I just want some die-cast articulated steamers with > > > those cool sound systems that run the chuffing in and out of acoustic phase. > > > > > > Come on, Santa Mike. > > > > > > Two to go, > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > > > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm > > > > -- Don Thompson > > S Helper Service Inc. > > http://www.showcaseline.com > > 1.800.465.0303 > > 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs > > are now shipping! > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7076	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

O scale came from Europe at 7mm = a foot. HO is half O at 3.5mm = a foot so all this tine I was in half zero and did not know it. If laughter is the best medicine, I guess that makes laugh tracks the best placebos. Larry Having more fun than one human should be allowed to have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Larry, > Have you heard of #1 gauge and #2 gauge? Well smaller than #1 should be Zero. > Don T. > > lawrence jackman wrote: > > > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > > > > Would HO be called Half Zero gauge???????? I Have never heard O being called Zero > > gauge. > > Larry > > > > Don Thompson wrote: > > > > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > > > > > > Dear Chris, > > > Usually I agree with most of your really good ideas, but I am starting to > > > wonder on this last one regarding the UP Big Boys and Challengers in "S". Yes, > > > Mike has done a beautiful job on this in "O" gauge (Remember, that is > > > technically pronounced "zero" gauge). But, he had the advantage of the > > > original Lionel company producing curves that these monsters can negotiate > > > (that is 0-54 and 0-72). While marketing both the full length American Models > > > R-T-R heavy weight Pullmans (83') and the light weight passenger car kits (85') > > > we noticed a significant decrease in interest due to the fact that they would > > > not negotiate Flyer curves. > > > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > > > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 > > > (ugh!). I for one would be very hesitant to invest in such an iffy project. > > > But, maybe you know something that I do not? > > > Don T. > > > > > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > > > > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > > > > > > > Wayne Beachy wrote: > > > > >I say let MTH produce S gauge accessories and buy trains form SHS, AM and > > > > >those who came from S gauge. > > > > > > > > Wayne: > > > > I don't care where he's from. Mike has the resources to produce big RTR > > > > steam like Big Boys and Challengers in any gauge. He has the plans, he has > > > > the depth of pockets, he has the infrastructure. He might be concerned > > > > that he does not have a complete product, in that he would have to tool up > > > > for track, accessories, loads, a whole line of cars and what not. That is > > > > what we need to bring home to him. We don't require that. S-gaugers are > > > > used to combining the equipment of several manufacturers. > > > > > > > > Mike makes a GG-1, so does Lionel and Williams. That's kind of wasteful. > > > > In S, AM makes the GG-1. There is no need for SHS to make one. We already > > > > have it. SHS is making the F-3. I doubt AM will bother with it. No need > > > > for anyone else to tool up a USRA light Pacific, either. In O gauge, > > > > everybody makes everything. It's confusing and redundant. There is a > > > > spiteful attempt to keep or win brand loyalty, and the O gauge guys are > > > > right in the trap. However, there are a lot of toys in that trap! > > > > > > > > I don't want Mike to compete with Ron and Don. I want him to add to the > > > > treasure. I'd like to see Mike make us some big engines at a reasonable > > > > price. Maybe we can get in on his new command system. We don't need track. > > > > We could use some more operating accessories. Something different in > > > > passenger cars, too. No box cars. We got 'em. And NO hoppers! In fact, > > > > he could begin by recognizing some of the stuff we have from other > > > > manufacturers and build us some accessories that work with 'em. How about a > > > > Tank Train depot or some silos for grain with a loading chute deal to the > > > > track underneath, or a dry concrete handling dock, or a TOFC loading > > > > facility. Here's an idea, how about a container yard with gantry and some > > > > well cars? > > > > > > > > Mike has tried so hard to become Lionel. He now is the alternate Lionel. > > > > The O guys either love him or hate him. I think you gotta love him. He > > > > made it a party. I think we should be reaping some of those rewards, > > > > however. Since Mike wants to be Lionel, he could try his hand at being > > > > American Flyer. Me, I just want some die-cast articulated steamers with > > > > those cool sound systems that run the chuffing in and out of acoustic phase. > > > > > > > > Come on, Santa Mike. > > > > > > > > Two to go, > > > > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > > > > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > > > > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7077	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: bulb removal

OK Guys: how many S-listers does it take to change a lightbulb??? Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7078	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

>While marketing both the full length American Models >R-T-R heavy weight Pullmans (83') and the light weight passenger car kits (85') >we noticed a significant decrease in interest due to the fact that they would >not negotiate Flyer curves. > I for one would be very hesitant to invest in such an iffy project. >But, maybe you know something that I do not? Don, Do you know Art? I don't know Art, but I know what I like! You know from experience all about the market dictated by Flyer curves. I know about pushing the envelope to get something I never had. Lionel took a gamble on the Big Boy. Most people can't run it. They buy it to look at it. They are rebuilding their layouts to accomodate it. Even the 054 guys find that the pilot clips chunks of scenery. Platforms have to be moved back from curves, understructures in tunnels have to be relieved. It's all being done. It's worth it. This is the most excitement in O (excuse me) 0-gauge since TMCC. Sales in passenger cars are going to falter if the cars are too long for the curves. They're only cars! Who's going to widen a pike to get 2 sleepers through? Wait, what's that, you say? You're making us a two and a half foot long articulated locomotive? Where's my tools. Hello, Gargraves . . . I need 40 pieces of flex. When we were boys and our lust was spent in catalogs, what engine would merit the foldout? That's right, the UP Northern. The big one. I guess the guys with the under-the-tree layout will buy a Big Boy just to look at it on the mantle. The rest of us will run them. Oh yeah, if you do build these behemoths, how about some scale length passenger cars to go with them? You'll sell them this time. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7079	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/13/2000
Subject: SHS Robin Hood Beer car pic

Hi all, At Don's request, I've posted the .jpg file of the car art work on the shared files area. enjoy! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7080	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Sunday Night Chat

There was a great group, and everybody expressed a positive opinion. Most had a little trouble finding the room. Because the room is not a 'Yahoo room', it is only listed under 'User Rooms'. It seems like the best way to find the room is to use the WHOS CHATTING tool. My screen name is paul_w_yorke You only get this option after you use the 'START CHATTING' button. The S-Trains room is only there after I create it. Last night (Sunday) we had a great crowd. We spanned the world with Neil in England and Richard down under. Doug 'I have that in stock' Peck and David 'don't touch that button' Dewey showed up. NASG Foley was there. Rev. Mike figured it out. And a bunch of other guys. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7081	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Resistor value????

Hi S Gaugers, FYI: Resisrtor colors FIRST TWO color bands Black 0 Brown 1 Red 2 Orange 3 Yellow 4 Green 5 Blue 6 Violet 7 Gray 8 White 9 THIRD color band Black x 1 Brown x 10 Red x 100 Orange x 1,000 Yellow x 10,000 Green x 100,000 Blue x 1,000,000 Silver -/- 100 Gold -/- 10 FORTH color band Tolerance Red 2% Gold 5% Silver 10 % FIFTH color band (if any) or BODY color Blue flameproof BODY COLOR Light blue metal film - flame proof Brown wire wound Example A Yellow - Violet - Orange - Red - Light blue body 4 7 000 2% metal film - fire proof = 47k ohms Example B Yellow - Violet - Silver - Gold - Blue - brown body 4 7 0.01 5% flame proof wire wound = 0.47 ohms Hope this helps someone Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7082	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Don Thompson wrote: > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 > (ugh!). There is a way without sacrificing the proportions. Rivarossi has been doing it in HO for years. Plus Life-Like Proto 2000 is now also doing it. The secret? Pivot the second engine set. This relocates the pivot point for the front engine, giving the locomotive diesel-like flexibility. This allows for a large locomotive such as a Big Boy to negotiate typical model railroad sharp curves. Is it prototypical? No. Of couse, some of the scale bretheren would hoot and holler. But if it wasn't a successful solution, Rivarrossi wouldn't have been selling articulated locomotives in HO for the past thirty-plus years. MTH is using the same method on their RailKing articulateds to bend them around O-31 curves. (I know, the RailKing line is selectively compressed, but that's not the point of this post. If MTH applied the same method to their Premiere Line, those articulateds woud probably squeak down to O-42.) Now, I'm not asking Don to tool up for a Big Boy. I'm sure he has is hands full doing what he's doing right now. But there is also another part to the equation. Evolution. O-Gauge has evolved beyond the "O-31 on a 4x8" concept. I don't believe all those guys with the monster O-Gauge layouts were using large radius curves when the only thing available was Lionel. Many were probably using O-31 curves on smaller layouts. Indeed, many of these fellows may not have even been in O-Gauge originally until alteratives to Lionel became widely available. But what has happened is with the availability of large locomotives, came a greater interest in O-Gauge, along with larger layouts. (And larger collections.) Likewise, S Gauge needs to evolve beyond worrying about "Flyer curves and switches." You can only be backwards compatible to a point. Just a an MTH Premiere Big Boy (or Lionel's, for that matter) won't negotiate an O-31 curve, we won't get an S gauge version around Flyer's 19" radius. But we could get one to go around say, 27" raidus.(S Gauges' equivalent of HO's 18" radius and O's O-72) This would, of course, tick off the dyed-in-the-wool Flyer operator. But if MTH ever gets into S, there will be mechanical limits, and a "Premiere S" line would likely require a larger curve than "typical Flyer." Time for S to start thinking "Outside the Box." Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7083	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

In a message dated 2/14/00 1:08:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, busy-boy@... writes: << Sales in passenger cars are going to falter if the cars are too long for the curves. They're only cars! Who's going to widen a pike to get 2 sleepers through? Wait, what's that, you say? You're making us a two and a half foot long articulated locomotive? Where's my tools. Hello, Gargraves . . . I need 40 pieces of flex. >> Chris is correct on this, IMHO. Few will build or change a layout for passenger cars (particularly those ho-hum AM cars with cheap plastic trucks - sorry), but many would for the ability to operate large engines. In my case, my outer loop has the larger (~54 in. diameter) K-Line tinplate track curves, and these would accommodate an Allegheny. If an engine like this was build with up-to-date capabilities and build quality, I'd buy one in a shot -- and I do understand that it would not be cheap. "If you build it, they will come." RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7084	From: RxMan46321@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Shared files

How does one get to the shared files area? John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7085	From: jde@connect.ab.ca	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: A-F Locomotive #322 help?

Hi There: jde here; Well I went and didit I guess Ill never learn:} I coundn't resist bidding on eBay again and I won! I have purchased a #322 A-F loco Engine to add to my fleet of A-F What I am asking is for any council and info my Bretheren Members can give in respects to this Engine? is it a Good runner? what is the class of this engine as to a #283 0r a #293 Locomotive I have a K-5 # 315 Loco that's a smooth runner! But a slow Smoker Has to be running Full Speed before the Smoker will start I really think there is a Monster inside that engine even the Boiler front won't stay in place and this was classed as Exe. As my new Engine is inbound it has been on a shelf for the last ten years and never ran I know it will need a good Cleaning on the Exterior for sure and when the seller bought it he was assured that It had been completly rewired so it sounds pretty good shape it is only a Smoker and sound no Whistle and the E-unit is in the Tender? what i would like to know is will I have to tear this Engine down and let my repairman serviceit on a continuos Basis or have they a reliable reputation repair wise once they are brought up to snuff and regularly serviced re Oil Grease Etc. Any help on this Subject will be appreciated not only by me but other prospectus Buyers as well Thanks i remain <jde> John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7086	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: A-F Locomotive #322 help?

John, "Back when" I did layout displays for Dunsmuir's RR days, the locomotives that would run all three days with the fewest derails and no maintenance down times were my 322s. They are apparently the best balanced design, although the 312 types are good performers too. I think the difference, since both ride on the same chassis, is the four wheel trailing truck; and possibly the longer tender trucks help in electrical pick-up too. Your weak smoke unit probably has a burnt wick, or maybe it's just plugged. You could try the old "WD-40 down the stack" clean-out trick, it sometimes will put things right. (I believe this procedure is listed in the FAQ section.) As to the boiler front popping out, the only cure there is new wire between the lamp and the smoke unit; new "high flex" wire that won't spring the front off. A dab of masking tape, or even rubber cement on the side of the front will then keep it in place until the bulb burns out (usually right after you do this fix! :-) ). BTW, the whistle in the tender usually sounds awful, so you didn't miss out on anything there! Well, until one of us develops a new sound generator tube. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7087	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

In the dim past, model railway gauges were #'s3, 2, and 1. When a new gauge, 32mm, 7mm = 1', was adopted and being smaller then #1 gauge the logical name would be the next number down, 0(zero). The 0 in 0 gauge is a number not a letter, but has become to be known as O(the letter) gauge. Who would want to be in zero gauge? By the way when S gauge was first introudced in England, the birth place of model railways, it was called H1 gauge as 3/16" = 1' and a 7/8" track gauge are half the size of # 1 gauge. To bad Hornby did not go to H1 rather then Zero gauge, now that would have been something! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7088	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

I am very glad to find this out. All the years I was in HO and did not have any fun because I did not know that I was really in HZERO. WOW!!!!!!!!!!! If laughter is the best medicine, I guess that laugh tracks are the best placebos Larry Having more fun than one human should be allowed to have TPDavis7@... wrote: > In the dim past, model railway gauges were #'s3, 2, and 1. When a new gauge, > 32mm, 7mm = 1', was adopted and being smaller then #1 gauge the logical name > would be the next number down, 0(zero). The 0 in 0 gauge is a number not a > letter, but has become to be known as O(the letter) gauge. Who would want > to be in zero gauge? By the way when S gauge was first introudced in > England, the birth place of model railways, it was called H1 gauge as 3/16" = > 1' and a 7/8" track gauge are half the size of # 1 gauge. To bad Hornby did > not go to H1 rather then Zero gauge, now that would have been something! > > Tom > Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7089	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

If we are looking for articulated suggestions, how about a Chessie 2-6-6-2 (H2, H3, H4 or H6). It scales out to 18 inches in S, has a simpler mechanism, handsome lines and the smaller drivers (56" or 7/8" for us) that are a good fit for freight service. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Mike and S >From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> > >Don Thompson wrote: > >> The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a >> flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 >> (ugh!). > >There is a way without sacrificing the proportions. Rivarossi has been >doing it in HO for years. Plus Life-Like Proto 2000 is now also doing >it. > >The secret? Pivot the second engine set. This relocates the pivot >point for the front engine, giving the locomotive diesel-like >flexibility. This allows for a large locomotive such as a Big Boy >to negotiate typical model railroad sharp curves.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7090	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

In a message dated 2/14/00 12:03:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ljack70117@... writes: << All the years I was in HO and did not have any fun because I did not know that I was really in HZERO. >> Actually, HO is half of a HO-HUM. :-))

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7091	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Thanks to all

This is a mast email to everyone in my address book. Thanks to all who replyed back about Train Center Dis. They are in fact Caboose Hobbies. Just a way for Caboose Hobbies to get a greater discount on stuff. Plus also thanks for replying directly to me and not any of the lists. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7092	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 528 MTH possibilities

Enough already!! In the name of all that's holy will you guys quit including the entire text of someone you are replying too? I got dizzy scrolling past all the rebuttals and opinions on Chris's remarks. AT my age there aren't that many dizzies left in a guy..And by the way who says you have to use Flyer track to run an articulated? Ever hear of AM, S-Helper, or Gargraves flex track? Steve Blackburn ..RMHR, NASG, TCA, ...Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7093	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Replies

"Enough already," says Steve Blackburn, of "including the entire text of the item you are replying to." Amen and amen. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7094	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Smoke and Resistor help

To all of you have who have been trying to help me with the smoke from the converted #322 Hudson, a really BIG THANK YOU!! All information has been deeply appreciated!!!!! This especially goes out to Bill, Dave and Alex!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7095	From: Mac	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

>fun because I did not know that I was really in HZERO. WOW!!!!!!!!!!! >If laughter is the best medicine, I guess that laugh tracks are the best >placebos >Larry Having more fun than one human should be allowed to have While running my flyer as a kid, I always wondered what "TT" looked like. They just didn't stock that gauge in Merchantville!! But now, after this thread, I have a new challenge - What's "T"? Mac

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7096	From: Novak, William	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 529

From: WJNOVAK@... Subject: Old topic, hot bulbs I love AF switches mainly because of the way the colored lights work and change on the switch stand when the switch is thrown and the neat red and green lights on the controllers that give you a quick status of each switch. The problem I've had with them, however, is the small clear bulbs in the switches burned out quite frequently possibly due to voltage, heat and vibration all being on the high side. Coupled with that is the bright (and hot) controller lights that I found to be distracting in a darkened train room when running night time operations. My solution to both problems has been to do some minor re-wiring of the controller box that involved wiring the switch bulbs and the controller bulbs in series, thus running them on half voltage (about 9 v. versus 18 v.). Since making the change years ago I have not had a single switch bulb burn out. The controller bulbs burn cooler and are not so distracting as before. If anyone would like to know the new wiring sequence for this change e-mail me off line at: wjnovak@... Bill Novak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7097	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Mike and S

Don Thompson wrote: > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel GG-1 > (ugh!). Rich G wrote: There is a way without sacrificing the proportions. Rivarossi has been doing it in HO for years. Plus Life-Like Proto 2000 is now also doing it. Wow, Rich G, you really nailed it on the head. You are so right about thinking out of the box on this one. How many of us are implementing the use of Flyer track on our new Hi Tech Layouts. Its great for a "Small vintage Layout", I too may do one for fun again someday for a nostalgia kick however the writing is on the wall. Times are changing quickly in S, we are at a pivotal stage of transforming S gauge into a Mass Market Scale of trains. What we do here in the next few years will determine the life of S. If we move aggressively with new products we are sure to grow, if we drag our feet interest in S will decline. I defiantly agree with a post I read a short time ago I think by Chris, Our S suppliers have been doing a great job, I don't want to see them make duplicate products, it is counter productive to S and has the potential to hurt the people that have made S what it is in the past few years. For a few years I stopped collecting S and considered another gauge till a steady flow of new products were released a few years ago. I can easily reconsider my gauge of preference if it becomes too frustrating waiting for new Items. As far as the Importance of big powerful engines, I have held off on building my railroad till I could acquire some nice big Steam Engines, I had to go Brass. I bought a PRR Decamped, an L1 and a Hugh Norfolk and Western articulated just to get my feet wet and temporally quench my thirst. I planned this layout in my head for over 10 years, I would not lay a single track in my house till I had some of the Large Engines I wanted. I built my platform last week and am getting ready to lay track for the large radius these large engines require. It is a modest 11' by 12 ' layout but it will have some impressive engines rolling on it. Everything is going to be built with the future in mind, extra Clearance on the curves so my articulated doesn't take out the side of a mountain, others will be making sure I don't mow down railroad crossing signs like I almost did when my Norfolk and Western visited Bill Moors layout at one of our play trains events. It is not a problem to reconstruct layout features to allow a Monster steam roll on the rails, It is a very impressive sight that is well worth the work. I am limited in what I will by in brass due to the cost factor so the next year or 2 will determine my next move. I will have a very nice layout up and a need for more interesting Engines and some very unique looking rolling stock. I think Die cast is the way to go to keep costs down, Third Rail is testing the waters with one right now and I would be very surprised if people didn't like the fact that it is less than half the cost of brass with many brass quality features. A Diecast body is one of the keys to saving bucks. I can deal with a slight loss in detail if the price is less than half that of a brass model. I have said this countless times, you open up the doors to a whole new market with a lower price. For the Marketing experts out there you may be interested in this, I am 36, with a very good career in IT field, I am planning to sell my present house in 1-3 years and upgrade to a house that can accommodate a much much larger layout.Last year I spent over $5;500 in S Guage trains at least another $1,500 in Die cast vehicles. When I do move I will defiantly have the desire of running a wider variety than S offers now, Im not saying the selection is bad, it has been doing well over the last 3 years, Im just saying, if S continues to grow and we get a new vender specializing in Engines and another vender taking on unique looking cars I will remain in S If S drags its feet a whole bunch of 1990's S gauge stuff will be on EBAY. I will only keep my original AMERICAN FLYER Engines and a couple peaces of rolling stock and put up a small nostalgic layout up in my den. The Primary Layout will then be 2 rail O Gauge, 3Rd Rail is doing a Heck of a Good Job at making that product, they sell out most items also. Although the prices are a bit high, there is a huge variety already built up that is beating the pants off S gauge. I would be very surprised if the folks from 3rd rail would ever want to market S Gauge Engines like they do O, I think they would just like to convert dissatisfied S gaugers to their product. They are tempting me as I was being strung along hoping a Zephyr was going to be made, I haven't checked in months, I am tired of checking and waiting, I could get it in 2 Rail O at the drop of a hat. The only thing keeping me in S is I really do love it however with the divorce rate being what it is don't be surprised if you get a please remove me from the mailing list a year or so down the road. Here is a small wish List, Just make everything on 3rd Rails Website. Any Big Pennsylvania Steam Engine , Duplex, Articulated. T-1 I-1 Camelback, Looks awesome in brass however it is very hard to find. Snow Plow car. 2 tier Auto car. many cars done in Brass would sell well with a realistic pricetag on them if another composite was used to make them. David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7098	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/14/2000
Subject: Re: Track ballast and MTH coal loader

For those of you wanting to know about the stone ballast listed on ebay, I contacted the seller about it. If you want larger quantities, a 50lb. bag is the most economical in price and shipping at .95/lb cost and .47/lb. shipping. It would take about 1 1/4 lb. to ballast a 3' section of Gargraves flex track. I sent for a sample to have a look at it first. I will let you know what I think when I get it. I asked MTH about availability and suggested dealers of the reproduction of the AF 785 coal loader and as to whether the clamshell assembly would be available as a separate repair part. All I got back was a canned reply that we have no plans to produce S gauge items. I didn't even ask about the plans, but they must be getting a bunch of questions about S. I sent a reply back restating my questions and asked if they didn't want to sell me any products because I ran AF. I'll let you know if I get a real reply.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7099	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo

Steve Blackburn wrote: >In the name of all that's holy, will you guys quit including the entire text >of someone you are replying too? I got dizzy scrolling past all the rebuttals. > >...And by the way, who says you have to use Flyer track to run an >articulated? Ever hear of AM, S-Helper, or Gargraves flex track? The little > mark (called a carat?) increases, by one, on each carried reply. You guys got to four on the same digest! Steve makes a good point. If someone is a Flyer purist and doesn't want to make use of the wider radii available, there really is no conflict since a "Flyer Only Please" operator wouldn't buy an articulated engine from anyone but A.C. Gilbert himself. Everyone else who mixes engines and rolling stock is likely to mix track. I have used the K-Line repro Flyer track to get the wider curve. With the Rick Johnson rubber roadbed it is a dead-on match for the Gilbert stuff. Yet I keep seeing disparaging remarks about it right here. Is there really an identifiable problem, or is this another one of those "it can't be any good cause it just ain't Gilbert" kind of things? Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7100	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

TT gauge, 12mm gauge, 2.5mm to the ft(USA), 3mm to the ft.(GB). TT, stands for Table Top, is the only gauge that originated wholly in the USA. It began as a kit-based US system, emerged as German r-t-r and then was for a short while produced by Triang. As a purley commercial range, it only lingered in East germany as the Berliner Bann system.(Source of info., "The Model Railway Manual", by C.J. Freezer) There has been some recent interest shown in the US and some kits are available, check with the NMRA SIG for TT. Tom(Mr Information) Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7101	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo

In a message dated 2/15/00 3:20:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, busy-boy@... writes: << I have used the K-Line repro Flyer track to get the wider curve. With the Rick Johnson rubber roadbed it is a dead-on match for the Gilbert stuff. Yet I keep seeing disparaging remarks about it right here. Is there really an identifiable problem, or is this another one of those "it can't be any good cause it just ain't Gilbert" kind of things? >> I have used it intermixed with traditional Gilbert track and it's fine by me. Again, an S-gauge 'hi-rail' Allegheny would negotiate these curves. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7102	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

TT started in the US of A as .010" = 1ft ( one tenth of an inch = 1 foot) When E.P. Alexander died so did US TT gauge Larry TPDavis7@... wrote: > From: TPDavis7@... > > TT gauge, 12mm gauge, 2.5mm to the ft(USA), 3mm to the ft.(GB). TT, stands > for Table Top, is the only gauge that originated wholly in the USA. It began > as a kit-based US system, emerged as German r-t-r and then was for a short > while produced by Triang. As a purley commercial range, it only lingered in > East germany as the > Berliner Bann system.(Source of info., "The Model Railway Manual", by C.J. > Freezer) > There has been some recent interest shown in the US and some kits > are available, check with the NMRA SIG for TT. > Tom(Mr Information) Davis, Charlotte, NC > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > and put your mind to rest. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/XpersiteCPC ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7103	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

That should have been .100" = 1 foot Larry lawrence jackman wrote: > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > > TT started in the US of A as .010" = 1ft ( one tenth of an inch = 1 foot) When > E.P. Alexander died so did US TT gauge > Larry > > TPDavis7@... wrote: > > > From: TPDavis7@... > > > > TT gauge, 12mm gauge, 2.5mm to the ft(USA), 3mm to the ft.(GB). TT, stands > > for Table Top, is the only gauge that originated wholly in the USA. It began > > as a kit-based US system, emerged as German r-t-r and then was for a short > > while produced by Triang. As a purley commercial range, it only lingered in > > East germany as the > > Berliner Bann system.(Source of info., "The Model Railway Manual", by C.J. > > Freezer) > > There has been some recent interest shown in the US and some kits > > are available, check with the NMRA SIG for TT. > > Tom(Mr Information) Davis, Charlotte, NC > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > > and put your mind to rest. > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/XpersiteCPC ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > and put your mind to rest. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/XpersiteCPC ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7104	From: twinlake-northwestern@juno.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 529

HEY NOW! [Actually, HO is half of a HO-HUM.] Be NICE, some of like O gauge as well as S. I also second the motion proposed by Steve Blackburn, It gets really bad at times when you receive the Onelist in Digest form and by the time you reach the end you have read the same message 42 times. Incidently, every Onelist I'm into seems to have the same problem. NUFF Said, Rich Schneider, Aka Prototyper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7105	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

I think someone is missing something here. The New Lifelike 2-8-8-2 will operate on a HO radius of 18". In S scale that converts to a radius of 24.66". American Flyer curved track has a radius of 18.55". If it could take an 15" HO radius, you would need 20.55" in "S". Even the American Flyer 4-8-4 is just able to negociate the AF curve. The S scale 4-6-6-4 loco (without tender) is almost 14" long. I really do not think that you can make these locos go around a AF curve. Don T. "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > Don Thompson wrote: > > > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel > GG-1 > > (ugh!). > Rich G wrote: > There is a way without sacrificing the proportions. Rivarossi has been > doing it in HO for years. Plus Life-Like Proto 2000 is now also doing > it. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7106	From: KtRdd@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Holy, holy, holy . . . Toledo

Hi S gaugers, Psychic-insight. Wanted to know something about Johnson rubber roadbed. Thanks! Now, can anyone reveal the cost per piece/shipping/ any discount for volume purchase? Now I don't need to see the sample his ad mentions. ...About track.....Contest by Classic Toy Trains for layout design. Check it out.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7107	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Nothing is missing. They're talking about 27" radius track as made by kline (and Gargraves?). Don Thompson wrote: > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > > I think someone is missing something here. The New Lifelike 2-8-8-2 will > operate on a HO radius of 18". In S scale that converts to a radius of > 24.66". American Flyer curved track has a radius of 18.55". If it could take > an 15" HO radius, you would need 20.55" in "S". Even the American Flyer 4-8-4 > is just able to negociate the AF curve. The S scale 4-6-6-4 loco (without > tender) is almost 14" long. I really do not think that you can make these > locos go around a AF curve. > Don T. > > "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > > > Don Thompson wrote: > > > > > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > > > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel > > GG-1 > > > (ugh!). > > Rich G wrote: > > There is a way without sacrificing the proportions. Rivarossi has been > > doing it in HO for years. Plus Life-Like Proto 2000 is now also doing > > it. > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs > are now shipping! > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who > are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today > and put your mind to rest. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/XpersiteCPC ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7108	From: ClaimsBoss@aol.com	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Re: bulb removal

It takes 10 to change a light bulb. One to do the work and 9 to complain about how bad it is because Lyin-L made it!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7109	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: ...Toledo

I had 2 problems with Kline wide radius track. The sections did not go together unless a great deal of force was used, and the metal was soft, so by the time I got it together it was out of gauge. Also, the pins were wider than AF pins and did not mate with AF track. Toledo is a city in Spain known for sword making. Obviously this stuff was not made there. I am very grateful for the small radius of AF track. I grew up on NYC, NH, PRR; 4 track mainlines w. 200 trains a day. There would be no way to imitate eastern big time railroading in a NYC apartment with wider curves. Someone said something about "Flyer purists". I am not a "Flyer purist" and certainly don't consider myself a collector. BUT I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WILL RUN WITH MY AF. I tried a 3 unit AM diesel -- hopeless. The three reverse units had 3 different opinions. Couldn't get them to go around a test oval even once. Tried a LTI diesel -- the reverse unit died within a few minutes. 3 SHS-AM passenger cars -- have never and will never run -- the trucks keep falling apart. 3 PRS freight cars -- the trucks are no good; constantly derailing. About the best of the lot are the SHS freight cars. They stay on the tracks sometimes . It's the Flyer cars they are coupled to that tend to derail. This may be because I bank my curves slightly so the Flyer will stay on the tracks. Sprung/equalized trucks with smaller wheel flanges don't work for me. Or else floor railroading is just too tough for them, but I doubt this. The rolling stock that I kitbash from Flyer and Lionel bodies, with Flyer trucks and floors where possible, works fine. But those SHS cars look so good, I can't resist buying a few more. If I didn't already have a bunch of fine running AF switchers I'd get one of those SW-9's too. But I would definitely NOT buy any rolling stock that would require wider curves. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7110	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Large engines

All this talk about will a large engine operate on AF track, yes no.......This has been done years ago, in the early 60's, a fellow from Minneapolis, named John Meyers was building and selling 2-8-0's. 2-10-0's, 4-8-2's 2-6-6-4's and 2-8-8-4's built from AF frames and AF and Lionel boilers....most work was done with hand tools and the results were fantastiic. The back set of drivers were powered, and the front free to roll....tenders were AF or extended AF or stratchbuilt. Along about this same time a fellow in Texas, named John Griffin was also rebuilding AF engines into larger engines. Some of his work showed up in early Gaugians, and I believe he wrote a AF column for several years. This all ran on AF track, and if the curves were larger, yes it looked better....but the engines pulled great eitherway....the 2-8-0 was a 0-8-0 frame under a multi part Atlantic boiler, the 2-10-0's I'm not sure about, never had one, I think all he could make went to a fellow in Western NY state, the 4-8-2 was built from Hudsons, and maintained thay NYC look very well. the articulated had mainly Northern boilers, and some massive ones were made with Lionel boilers, cut and spliced. gale hall ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7111	From: Michael A. Scivoletti	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Large engines

Say Gale, Was there not also an outfit called American Hirail that did something like that?? I think they even offered motor conversions units to replace AC motors with DC and a flywheel. Gale Hall wrote: > From: "Gale Hall" <gale_hall@...> > > > All this talk about will a large engine operate on AF track, yes > no.......This has been done years ago, in the early 60's, a fellow > from > Minneapolis, named John Meyers was building and selling 2-8-0's. > 2-10-0's, > 4-8-2's 2-6-6-4's and 2-8-8-4's built from AF frames and AF and Lionel > > boilers....most work was done with hand tools and the results were > fantastiic. The back set of drivers were powered, and the front free > to > roll....tenders were AF or extended AF or stratchbuilt. > Along about this same time a fellow in Texas, named John Griffin was > also > rebuilding AF engines into larger engines. Some of his work showed up > in > early Gaugians, and I believe he wrote a AF column for several years. > > This all ran on AF track, and if the curves were larger, yes it looked > > better....but the engines pulled great eitherway....the 2-8-0 was a > 0-8-0 > frame under a multi part Atlantic boiler, the 2-10-0's I'm not sure > about, > never had one, I think all he could make went to a fellow in Western > NY > state, the 4-8-2 was built from Hudsons, and maintained thay NYC look > very > well. the articulated had mainly Northern boilers, and some massive > ones > were made with Lionel boilers, cut and spliced. > > gale hall > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > [ONElist Sponsor] > Please click above to support our sponsor > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7112	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S,

Sorry Don, I did not specify what track I was running, I am going to use the AM Flex track code 148 if I can get my hands on enough, My radius is going to be 48" with room to spare so I am man enough to take on almost any engine you through my way. I would wrath use code 125 but I haven't heard of any already our there without me having to hand lay it. I heard BK can make switches in a # 6 #8 and #10 for my big engines in either gauge is that true? Did I get the company name right? I like the Idea of the lantern on the track coming out by AM but It wont be ready in time for my application. Question, the American Models GG1 is articulated, it works GREAT on Flyer track and all other types. True it hangs over a bit on tight radius curves but that is fine for me, I am not planning any tight curves. With the Articulated GG1 Tested, proven and sold out the groundwork laid in S that an articulated Steamer would not be a problem. The problem is the fear of the unknown, will they sell. I know they will sell, it is what we need to recruit more people over to S. Even if sales are slow in the beginning they will pick up. When American Models was going to make ALCO PA Engines I heard more people complaining we already had that in flyer and he will only sell a handful, that was bull, I think he has done quite well on them, same said on the GG1. It was allot of work but I think it has almost sold out and may have to be rerun, that was an investment in the future. It adds to the value of your business. In S as with many scales there are almost no immediate sellouts of a basic product.(Unless their the Engines from 3Rd Rail, really check out their home page, they sold out of their PRR T1 in no time as well as many others. Price and Availability were the key to them mastering O Guage 2 rail. They make them in Brass and their reasonable considering the size of them, S would be a bit cheaper in Brass and allot cheaper in diecast.) Question, would many people take the plunge into 2 rail O if there was not a large variety of engines to choose from? I also thought most people that like to model choose the the steam era into the mid 1950s on their layout, what insentive is there for a modeler to use S Gauge if there is only 1 new style Steam Engine on the market in Diecast and a handful of Brass Steam that need a private investigator to hunt down. True Flyer steam is ok to use however it cant compare to the quality of the new products out there. Who wants to convert them to DCC, the cost is not justified due to the overall lack of detail in my opionion. <<Don Thompson wrote: I think someone is missing something here. The New Lifelike 2-8-8-2 will operate on a HO radius of 18". In S scale that converts to a radius of 24.66". American Flyer curved track has a radius of 18.55". If it could take an 15" HO radius, you would need 20.55" in "S". Even the American Flyer 4-8-4 is just able to negotiate the AF curve. The S scale 4-6-6-4 loco (without tender) is almost 14" long. I really do not think that you can make these locos go around a AF curve. Don T. "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > Don Thompson wrote: > > > The only way to get a Challengers, or worse yet Big Boy to negotiate a > > flyer curve would beto make them look about as proportioned as a Lionel > GG-1 > > (ugh!). > Rich G wrote: David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7113	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: NORTH PENN NEWS

Please visit our website for our latest newsletter and pictures of our modular layout at the Greenberg Train Show. http://members.xoom.com/northpenn_s/main.html Corresponding secretary, Glenn Ritter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7114	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/15/2000
Subject: Parts wanted

Does anyone have the following parts they would part with for a reasonble price: 1. 2 position reverse unit that mounts on back of motor in 0-8-0 2. 0-8-0 tender shell (not SIT type) 3. Tender mounted air chime whistle unit 4. GP-7 shells Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7115	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

In a message dated 2/15/00 6:49:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes: << The S scale 4-6-6-4 loco (without tender) is almost 14" long. I really do not think that you can make these locos go around a AF curve. >> I believe, however, that an Allegheny could be built to negotiate the broader radius K-Line curves (or Gargraves curved to the same radius, of course). If someone (Hint, hint!) would begin to make larger engines available, folks would start to build or modify layouts to run them. BTW, Gilbert did briefly consider building an Allegheny, but passed on it, presumably, because of the very large overhang on traditional Gilbert curves ( I have this mental image of the beast going around a layout knocking down Plasticville left and right! :-)) ). Thanks. RB RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7116	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S

I just took a walk with a co worker Gene to pick up some breakfast and told him about our list and the E mail he saw me finishing to the list about Steam Engines. He told me that it is foolish that nobody wants to build a bunch of steam engines for fear they won't sell. He has been giving me Ideas about my S layout and is dying to get into S Guage the last few months, he told me that he has been wrestling with the Idea but the lack of Steam is the roadblock. He made me laugh when he said he would defiantly need a PRR T1 on his layout, I told him I have been trying to get dealers interested in making it and they all bring up the Radius issue. He feels it is not looking promising for S guage to make the long haul. Gene is 34, 2 years younger than me, HEY DEALERS THERE IS A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF BUYERS OUT THERE, IF YOU CANT SUPPLY WHAT WE WANT IN S WE WILL GET IT IN ANOTHER GAUGE. TIME IS RUNNING OUT. How many Gene's have passes on S guage deu to that 1 factor. No he does not want American Flyer Steam engines. David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7117	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

Hey Dave Would you want to put some money into the molds?????????? Larry Dalessandro, David L TL13C wrote: > From: "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" <David.Dalessandro2@...> > > I just took a walk with a co worker Gene to pick up some breakfast and told > him about our list and the E mail he saw me finishing to the list about > Steam Engines. He told me that it is foolish that nobody wants to build a > bunch of steam engines for fear they won't sell. He has been giving me Ideas > about my S layout and is dying to get into S Guage the last few months, he > told me that he has been wrestling with the Idea but the lack of Steam is > the roadblock. He made me laugh when he said he would defiantly need a PRR > T1 on his layout, I told him I have been trying to get dealers interested in > making it and they all bring up the Radius issue. He feels it is not looking > promising for S guage to make the long haul. Gene is 34, 2 years younger > than me, HEY DEALERS THERE IS A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF BUYERS OUT THERE, > IF YOU CANT SUPPLY WHAT WE WANT IN S WE WILL GET IT IN ANOTHER GAUGE. TIME > IS RUNNING OUT. How many Gene's have passes on S guage deu to that 1 factor. > No he does not want American Flyer Steam engines. > > David Dalessandro > Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician > Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations > Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 > Fax: 1.215.761.4336 > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7118	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Any Ideas on a transformer problem?

On the advice of some friends, I recently added an MTH Z4000 transformer to the layout and I must say that the old Flyer trains (and new AM trains) have never run better. My problem was trying to use it for track powered accessories. Here is my question to MTH and their response. Any suggestions short of getting rid of it would be most appreciated. My email to MTH technical - Hi, I run American Flyer but have begun mixing in some of your wonderful accessory products. Last Christmas I bought the Z4000 transformer and it makes the trains run better than ever. But, the voltage at the fixed outputs seems too low to operate my track voltage operating accessories. The only way I made them work this time was to use the second variable output and set it to 18 volts.(Obviously, I'd rather use this output to operate a second train). Is there a solution to this or am I stuck? Thanks. MTH Technical Response - Good morning, Thank you for your support of MTH Electric Trains, Inc. I received your recent email regarding your transformer. Basically there is only a 14 Volt and a 10 Volt output. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Sincerely, Kristi Stevens MTH Service Department Thanks for any help in advance. Robert E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7119	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike and S

Larry wrote Hey Dave Would you want to put some money into the molds?????????? Larry Well Larry, I am not in the position or business to manufacture trains, I fix computers so I can afford to spend a disproportionate amount of my paycheck on the hobby. I think what is happening here on this list would be people voicing their concerns and opinions in this subject. If any manufactures out there have the resources available to them to make such a move, the input from our posting may give them some input on product line. I appreciate all that has been done from American Models, S Helper service and the unmentioned other companies that have been contributing to the S line, however I think we may be in the running for a big hitter to come in and do a run on Engines. Like I and other people said before, I don't think any newcomer company manufacturing in S should try to cut another companies back by reproducing the same product. Respect is very important in this business and I feel things are going as good as could be expected in S. What I don't want to hear would be complaints from present manufactures down the road if MTH or another Manufacturer decided they wanted to be King of S gauge Engine Producing which in turn may lead to a product line loyalty I am looking out for a couple things, I love S, I have collected it since I was 22, I want to continue but my desire for variety is very strong. I as well as others want to see S do well, our input may help spark what we need to grow and survive down the road. Actually there is no downside for any small manufacture if a big hitter jumps in the market, the base population of S Gauge members will grow rapidly with a need for countless items that now are in limited demand and supply. Opportunity will grow for innovative people to do well in a hi volume market. Think about it, so many 3 rail O collectors complain about the 3rd rail and cant afford the expensive brass 2 rail O gauge, I have heard so many O collectors over the past 14 years say they would love to be in S but there were not enough engines and product out there. Well we have grown and taken some O gaugers into our work of S. Now we must do hand to hand combat with technology to rival the O diesel engines that smoke and other interesting tricks O is implementing to Keep its people happy. Lets beat them at the game. The same goes for HO people, they are sick of how Ho derails and how troublesome it can be. David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7120	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: transformer problem

You should contact MTH again and ask for a more informative answer. 14 volts should be enough to operate accessories. i think the problem may be that you need an accessory circuit WITH A COMMON GROUND with the track power circuit. Perhaps you could add a wire from the track circuit to the accessory circuit that would do the trick, but with all the fancy electronics in that unit, you better find out from the MTH technical people how to do it before you mess around and turn that electronic stuff to toast. The question to ask them is, how do I get a 14v. fixed output that has a common ground with the track circuit? I've never used or worked on one of these units, so this is just a guess, but this seems to me to be what the problem is. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7121	From: David_Horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Challenger at LA

Chris, thanks for the heads up on that. Whatever additional information you can provide will be greatly appreciated. I asked my 5 year old son if he'd like to see it, and he replied "I'd like to ride it!". Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7122	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike and S

I did not ask you to manufacture trains. I ask if you would invest in doing so. You expect a manufacture to invest at least $100,000 into something he knows he will sell 4 units of and knows nothing else. I think S scale is going the only way it can right now. Larry Dalessandro, David L TL13C wrote: > From: "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" <David.Dalessandro2@...> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7123	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: SIT Cylinder installation

Just got a cylinder to replace the bellows of a smoke in tender 312 K5. Installing this was not a simple matter and I'm still having problems. You have to remove the entire smoke unit from the tender chassis by removing the 2 screws under the bellows. Then you have to remove the 4 screws that go up from the smoke unit chassis into the bottom of the wick chamber. This allows you to access the nut that holds on the bellows plate. Removing this and replacing it with the cylinder is next, but before screwing the 4 screws back in you should replace the two screws that hold the smoke unit to the tender chassis, otherwise you won't be able to get them in the holes with the cylinder in place. And you will also need to insert the plug and it's attached drive arm now or you won't be able to later. You then drive the 4 screws back in to seal the wick chamber and then do your best to tighten the aformentioned 2 screws as best you can since the cylinder blocks the screw heads. Now the problem is that the drive gear jams, when it gets near the position where the plug is all the way in, because the arm is too long. I tried to shorten the arm by putting a kink in it but then it jams on the other side because now the arm is not long enough. I figure either I should enlarge the hole on the drive arm to allow more play, or use the old drive arm with a right angle bend and a slot instead of a hole, or make a new attachment point in the drive gear that's closer to the center thus reducing the range of motion of the plug. Has anybody done any of these solutions or have any others? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7124	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: AM reverser problem

A question for the list: I recently bought an AM AC hi-rail RS3 for my friend Andy McBride. Much to his dismay, the unit's reverser can NOT be locked into "forward." That means every time he stops the RS3 at River Junction (the three-way inter- locking on his Flyer attic floor layout) the RS3 goes into neutral. Then, when the junction is clear and the train is ready to go, the RS3 shifts into reverse. On the other hand, his Flyer and LTI-AF engines can be locked into "forward," eliminating the problem. Any suggestions on how to modify the unit so the reverser can be locked in "forward"? Paul Schneider Waukesha, WI PS: Do SHS units have the same, uh, problem? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7125	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem

My SHS Sw-9 operates on DC(electronic reverse unit removed), but in the instruction manual it says, " Right out of the box, your SW-9 will always start in the forward direction if it has been standing for more than 30 seconds." In the past I had installed a Dallee electronic reverse unit in a American Flyer Atlantic and it operarted in the same manner. Seems likely that the AM electronic reverse unit should operarte the same way. Check it out and get back to us with a report. Operating on DC does away with all of the old bug-a-boos of the Flyer reverse units and the new electronic reverse units. One less part to break down and have to be replaced. I even threw out my three foot length of broom handle ,the broom handle allowed one to reach across the 4'x8' layout and hit the AF tender to get the reverse unit to sequence! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7126	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7127	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: KLine track

In a message dated 2/16/00 4:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I have used the K-Line repro Flyer track to get the wider curve. With the Rick Johnson rubber roadbed it is a dead-on match for the Gilbert stuff. Yet I keep seeing disparaging remarks about it right here. Is there really an identifiable problem, or is this another one of those "it can't be any good cause it just ain't Gilbert" kind of things? >> My experience with this track is reports of kids (and even adults in a couple cases) getting cut on its sharp edges and sharp corners....... much more so than on Gilbert track. I have no quarrel with its appearance, and I doubt its conductivity and durability is any worse than Gilbert track. But that's the primary reason I won't carry it. I carry all the other options, but not KLine. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7128	From: PortLines@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: roadbed

We stock Johnson roadbed at $2.50 per section. No discount on quantity, but if the quantity is large enough (50 pieces +), we will absorb shipping. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00 VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7129	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Observation

This note was sent along to Tom Jarcho in response to his recent observations. I decided to post it here, for whatever it's worth. --- I enjoyed reading your comments. I just returned (to Scenery Unlimited) those crummy American Models heavyweight passenger cars. It's a good thing I purchased them from Heimburger; he took them back. American Models won't! What does that say about the product's lack of quality. As I said to my wife as I was angrily packing them up to be return-shipped, A.C. Gilbert would roll over in his grave if he saw this pathetic junk. I had a lousy experience with the S Helper switcher too. It had what passed for phosphor-bronze spring pickups on the wheels, which started getting intermittent on the second day of operation on my layout. Back in the box. Back to S Helper. I was lucky, however, to locate a really nice green 951, -2, -3, and -4 set, which is now on my layout. I also now buy only good ol' American Flyer stuff--and re-live my youth with well designed and sturdily constructed equipment, not made-in-China crap. -- Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7130	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: SIT cylinder installation

Scott: Are you sure that the binding is due to the length of the arm being incorrect? Sometimes the floor of a SIT unit is warped. Check for this. The SIT cylinder, orig or repro, has a very narrow neck as its most vulnerable point. White metal is only so strong. This is why I would prefer to use a replacement bellows if possible. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7131	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Mike & S

Wait a minute, Dave! You say " ...my radius is going to be 48" with room to spare so I am man enough to take on almost any engine you through my way. " Are you saying that longer steam locos are more masculine than shorter ones? Didn't you ever hear the saying, "It ain't the meat, it's the motion" ? I thought the rule was, "He who dies with the most trains wins". Now you're saying, "He who dies with the longest locos, wins." Changing the rules in the middle of the game is no fair. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7132	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem

There is a provision for a lockout switch on my AM GP25 reverser, but there was never a switch. However, I never missed having one because the engine restarts in forward if left off for a few seconds. "Paul D. Schneider" wrote: > > From: "Paul D. Schneider" <fasttrack2000@...> > > A question for the list: > > I recently bought an AM AC hi-rail RS3 for my friend > Andy McBride. Much to his dismay, the unit's reverser > can NOT be locked into "forward." That means every > time he stops the RS3 at River Junction (the three-way > inter- > locking on his Flyer attic floor layout) the RS3 goes > into neutral. Then, when the > junction is clear and the train is ready to go, the > RS3 shifts into reverse. > > On the other hand, his Flyer and LTI-AF engines can be > locked into "forward," eliminating > the problem. > > Any suggestions on how to modify the unit so the > reverser can be locked in "forward"? > > Paul Schneider > Waukesha, WI > > PS: Do SHS units have the same, uh, problem? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7133	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: shared files

Several guys are having trouble accessing 'shared files' section. You will need to log onto onelist S-Trains Community http://onelist.com/community/S-Trains Files section http://onelist.com/files/S-Trains/ and for S-Scale S-Scale Community http://onelist.com/community/S-Scale Files section http://onelist.com/files/S-Scale/ -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7134	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Mike & S

I still have this B&O EM-1 here from the Estes estate--it's 24 inches long. Doesn't help me any. Jarcho wrote: > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Wait a minute, Dave! You say > > " ...my radius is going to be 48" with room to spare so I am man enough to > take on almost any engine > you through my way. " > > Are you saying that longer steam locos are more masculine than shorter ones? > > Didn't you ever hear the saying, "It ain't the meat, it's the motion" ? > > I thought the rule was, "He who dies with the most trains wins". Now > you're saying, "He who dies with the longest locos, wins." Changing the > rules in the middle of the game is no fair. > > Tom > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7135	From: Kempfam@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Would the gentleman who markets the track cleaning fluid please e-mail me. Ron Kemp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7136	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo

Tom, I was somewhat surprised to learn of your frustrating experiences with the new S equipment. We have generally had positive things to report. The SHS stuff (freight cars) runs like a dream. The passenger equipment you mention does require some fine tuning before it will run well. We have had some problems with the uncoupler levers (protrudes below coupler) being too low and derailing cars running through turnouts. Also, on some of the longer cars, the trucks do not swivel freely through Flyer curves due to binding on the floor center sill, resulting in derailments. Cutting some of the center sill off will resolve this problem. Once these problems are taken care of, these cars run fine. I do not hold SHS responsible for these problems. They were just acting as a marketing mechanism at the time to promote S model railroading. I pretty much agree with your assessment of LTI operational characteristics: nice paint jobs, but they don't run well. The one exception, in my experience, is the EP-5 which runs great. As for the AM diesels having reverse units with "minds of their own", I have experienced some of these same problems with the AC configured units. That's why I switched to DC power control. So, I would not write off recently-produced equipment as "operationally-challenged". Our equipment roster used at train shows (run for 6 hrs at a time) contains a great deal of this type of equipment. It is operationally very dependable. And with all metal wheels, the track does not get dirty as quickly as with AF equipment. However, I'm not trying to dissuade you from AF. We still love the Gilbert steam engines and so do the kids at shows. To each, their own, I guess. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA ---------- From: jarcho@... [SMTP:jarcho@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:44 PM To: S-trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] ...Toledo From: jarcho@... <mailto:jarcho@...> (Jarcho) Someone said something about "Flyer purists". I am not a "Flyer purist" and certainly don't consider myself a collector. BUT I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WILL RUN WITH MY AF. I tried a 3 unit AM diesel-hopeless. The three reverse units had 3 different opinions. Couldn't get them to go around a test oval even once. Tried a LTI diesel-the reverse unit died within a few minutes. 3 SHS-AM passenger cars-have never and will never run-the trucks keep falling apart. 3 PRS freight cars-the trucks are no good; constantly derailing. About the best of the lot are the SHS freight cars. They stay on the tracks sometimes . It's the Flyer cars they are coupled to that tend to derail. This may be because I bank my curves slightly so the Flyer will stay on the tracks. Sprung/equalized trucks with smaller wheel flanges don't work for me. Or else floor railroading is just too tough for them, but I doubt this. The rolling stock that I kitbash from Flyer and Lionel bodies, with Flyer trucks and floors where possible, works fine. But those SHS cars look so good, I can't resist buying a few more. If I didn't already have a bunch of fine running AF switchers I'd get one of those SW-9's too. But I would definitely NOT buy any rolling stock that would require wider curves. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7137	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo

In a message dated 2/16/00 7:19:35 PM, jmellon@... writes: << The passenger equipment you mention does require some fine tuning before it will run well. We have had some problems with the uncoupler levers (protrudes below coupler) being too low and derailing cars running through turnouts. Also, on some of the longer cars, the trucks do not swivel freely through Flyer curves due to binding on the floor center sill, resulting in derailments. Cutting some of the center sill off will resolve this problem. >> Good advise, but (IMHO) the AM passenger cars are operationally sub-par when compared to 50 year-old Gilbert. Why should one have to make modifications to (and excuses for) a piece of new rolling stock? Some heavyweights manufactured to the quality level of the SHS wide-vision cabooses would be nice -- and the extra cost would be worth it. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7138	From: Boss31@aol.com	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 531

In a message dated 2/16/00 5:20:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > From: RobertE613@... > Subject: Any Ideas on a transformer problem? Robert, use another transformer to power the accessories. I use a ZW to run my loops and two T-type transformers for all the accessories. It is just quite simply the easiest way to solve your problem... Steve Blackburn..RMHR...Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7139	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Toledo

Jay and Tom: do you back trains up through switches, make up and break up trains and run them thru lots of switches at yard throats, or do you more or less run them around and around loops, forward only? These things are difficult to do with the new stuff mixed with Flyer. Although they seem to go off the track when the spirit moves them, irrespective of location. I will double check those center sills next time I operate. . Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7140	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem

> Operating on DC does away with all of > the old bug-a-boos of the Flyer reverse units and the new > electronic reverse > units. One less part to break down and have to be replaced. I even threw > out my three foot length of broom handle ,the broom handle allowed >one to reach across the 4'x8' layout and hit the AF tender to get >the reverse unit to sequence! When I was operating Flyer, the best move I ever made was going to DC polarity reverse. You can actually do real switching moves! I think that most of my hair loss is due to what I pulled out before I converted. I know that there are preservation issues, but this conversion can be done by unsoldering wires to the E unit. Solder them back, and the engine returns to original condition. Gilbert clearly attempted to move in the direction of DC. However, rectification methods were primitive and the Korean War caused material shortages. You could make a strong case that in an alternate universe the Flyer 2000 Catalog would be all DC. Stan Stokrocki sscale@... sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7141	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation

> I had a lousy experience with the S Helper switcher too. It had what passed > for phosphor-bronze spring pickups on the wheels, which started getting > intermittent on the second day of operation on my layout. Back in the box. > Back to S Helper. And Don will make it right. While it's frustrating, I do make a big distinction between a production defect (a problem with an individual item) and a design flaw. Since I haven't heard anyone else mention this, I assume your problem is the first one. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7142	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation

Dear Stan, We have had a few problems (about 0.5%) of the units cooking the phosphor bronze springs when the engines derail so bad that the wheels on the same side of the truck touch the opposite rails. We had talked about increasing the diameter of the wire, but were afraid that we might cook something else. As we give everyone 4 extra wipers and that they are easy to exchange, we decided not to change it. Yes, we do take back engines (actually anything that we have sold) from customers that are unhappy. But, I bet we have given less than 5 refunds out of 3000 engines. Although we try to make everyone happy with our products, if they are happier without them - that works too! Don T. sscale@... wrote: > From: sscale@... > > > I had a lousy experience with the S Helper switcher too. It had what passed > > for phosphor-bronze spring pickups on the wheels, which started getting > > intermittent on the second day of operation on my layout. Back in the box. > > Back to S Helper. > > And Don will make it right. While it's frustrating, I do make a big > distinction between a production defect (a problem with an > individual item) and a design flaw. Since I haven't heard anyone > else mention this, I assume your problem is the first one. > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7143	From: Allen Evans	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Bang for the Buck

In the world of Bang-for-the-Buck, I can suggest your pulling a big coal or raw iron train with multiple locos. You can get twice the action and excitement with a DCC system by mu'ing 2, 3, or 4 of your locos. I am specifically referring to the process of throwing in some pushers and mid-helpers like they did then and still do today in order to drive the whole ball of wax up the mountain. Now thats more exciting that watching Boudreaux trying to fish at the alligator farm! Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana (Mardi Gras is March 7)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7144	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation

> We had talked about increasing the diameter of the wire, > but were afraid that we might cook something else. As we > give everyone 4 extra wipers and that they are easy to exchange, > we decided not to change it. So basically, it's the same as changing a fuse. If it keeps the guts from smoking, that works for me. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7145	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: Re: Observation

I have a SHS Burlington engine with the same type of problem. It hops and dives and stalls going down the track leading you to believe that the track badly needs cleaning. I can follow it with my SHS Burlington Northern engine which runs flawlessly over the same stretch. I've just been too busy to really check it out. I have the same problem with an older AM FA engine which shorted and melted through one of the pickup wires. I replaced them and it is still a problem. All my other AM engines run flawlessly. I wouldn't discount the problem completely but its probably a small part with a problem that got through testing. eric reis kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: <sscale@...> To: <s-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Observation > From: sscale@... > > > I had a lousy experience with the S Helper switcher too. It had what passed > > for phosphor-bronze spring pickups on the wheels, which started getting > > intermittent on the second day of operation on my layout. Back in the box. > > Back to S Helper. > > And Don will make it right. While it's frustrating, I do make a big > distinction between a production defect (a problem with an > individual item) and a design flaw. Since I haven't heard anyone > else mention this, I assume your problem is the first one. > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7146	From: Richard	Date: 2/16/2000
Subject: D&RGW C-48

Gday everyone Would anyone have a source(s) for info and possible drawings for a D&RGW C-48 Consolodation. Please reply off list and thanks in advance for any assistance!! cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7147	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM reverser problem

Paul, About a million years ago if my memory serves me right I was able to prevent the reversing unit from changing states by wiring a D battery to the track block where I didn't want the engine to reverse directions or go into that annoying neutral position. Dave ---- Original Message ----- From: Paul D. Schneider <fasttrack2000@...> To: <s-trains@onelist.com> Cc: <amcbride@...> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: [S-Trains] AM reverser problem > From: "Paul D. Schneider" <fasttrack2000@...> > > A question for the list: > > I recently bought an AM AC hi-rail RS3 for my friend > Andy McBride. Much to his dismay, the unit's reverser > can NOT be locked into "forward." That means every > time he stops the RS3 at River Junction (the three-way > inter- > locking on his Flyer attic floor layout) the RS3 goes > into neutral. Then, when the > junction is clear and the train is ready to go, the > RS3 shifts into reverse. > > On the other hand, his Flyer and LTI-AF engines can be > locked into "forward," eliminating > the problem. > > Any suggestions on how to modify the unit so the > reverser can be locked in "forward"? > > Paul Schneider > Waukesha, WI > > PS: Do SHS units have the same, uh, problem? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7148	From: RobertE613@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 532

In a message dated 02/17/2000 4:38:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << From: Boss31@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 531 In a message dated 2/16/00 5:20:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > From: RobertE613@... > Subject: Any Ideas on a transformer problem? Robert, use another transformer to power the accessories. I use a ZW to run my loops and two T-type transformers for all the accessories. It is just quite simply the easiest way to solve your problem... Steve Blackburn..RMHR...Boise, Idaho >> Thanks Steve, but how do your deal with special track section accessories like the dumping/launching/buzzing cars dependent on track power? Robert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7149	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke and Resistor help

For resistor color code assistance, check out http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lakes/9862/res.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7150	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Big Engines

Don: Now that you've seen a bunch of replies, are you still of the opinion that big engines won't sell in "S" because we are all too married to our Flyer curves? Yes, there are people that resist change and still others that seem to react violently to anything not Flyer. It's an allergy. It seems, though, that the larger opinion is that we are ready for some big toys. We'll knock down walls to accomodate the right stuff. Some people are getting real antsy looking at all the fun those O gaugers are having. We don't have to begin real big. How about a Mohawk for starters? That ought to sell well. A Texas type would be nice as well. We can get into the T-1 with a string of "Modernism" cars. We should have those anyway, since AM just did the bronze Torpedo. You built so many of those fine rolling hoppers, we now need a big articulated to pull them 100 at a time. SSSssssssssssss is the sound of escaping steam. Let's not let the whole Toy Train Revival Renaissance escape without building some of these wonderful monsters. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7151	From: Novak, William	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 531

Subject: MTH Transformer Problem Robert, You mention that "the trains run better than ever" with your MTH transformer. Can you describe what you mean by "better" as compared to running with AF transformers. I'll be setting up a new major layout in the coming year and one thing being considered is a change in power sources. Bill Novak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7152	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Observation

I also had a problem with my SHS SW9 losing power when creeping. Found the pickup springs were not contacting all the wheels. Bending them out seemed to fix it. Will see if it lasts. sscale@... wrote: > > From: sscale@... > > > I had a lousy experience with the S Helper switcher too. It had what passed > > for phosphor-bronze spring pickups on the wheels, which started getting > > intermittent on the second day of operation on my layout. Back in the box. > > Back to S Helper. > > And Don will make it right. While it's frustrating, I do make a big > distinction between a production defect (a problem with an > individual item) and a design flaw. Since I haven't heard anyone > else mention this, I assume your problem is the first one. > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative4SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7153	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Symposium and Loco Status

Howdy Friends Leaving Tampa in a couple of hours for Denver, snow, and the Sn3 Symposium! Stop by if you are in the area. Got some photos this morning from our builder on the S scale E.B.T. #6. They are posted on the web at http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm I should have the model for final inspection next week. Taking the sample of the E.B.T. Caboose to Denver. Still needs handrails, brake rigging, etc., but the basic laser work is done. A quickie photo of it is at http://www.btsrr.com/bts9104.htm Ignore the trucks... the Vulcans have not arrived from China yet! Next cab on the list - NKP. Cutting Coon Gap Sawmill parts in S and O scales! Big kit! Talk with y'all next week! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7154	From: George Leonard	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: SIT Cylinder Installation

Hi All, I just got finished with one of these myself. The repro cylinder is made of spun aluminum (?) and the piston appears to be made of nylon. For everyones information, I did experience the same installation difficulties that Scott did. But my main problem was that after running for a few minutes, heat would build up in the cylinder and the friction finally became too great for the piston to continue to slide up and down. After letting it cool down, the assembly would do the same thing only run a little bit longer. After going through this process many times, I finally got the thing to run for a full hour and now I figure it is broken in enough to use it. It seems to produce smoke well enough but it doesnt sound as good as the original AF units. The chuff just isnt there. If I had to do it all over again, I would have tried harder to repair the bellows, although I understand that that is no easy task either. My next problem is in the loco itself. The field (? the series of metal plates that surround the armature/commutator) heats up to the point that I cant even touch it after a few minutes running. Other than that, the loco runs fine if a bit slow. What is the first thing to check in a case like this? Thanks in advance for any and all replies. George Leonard > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:03:40 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > Subject: SIT Cylinder installation > > Just got a cylinder to replace the bellows of a smoke in tender 312 K5. > Installing this was not a simple matter and I'm still having problems. > > You have to remove the entire smoke unit from the tender chassis by > removing the 2 screws under the bellows. Then you have to remove the 4 > screws that go up from the smoke unit chassis into the bottom of the > wick chamber. This allows you to access the nut that holds on the > bellows plate. Removing this and replacing it with the cylinder is > next, but before screwing the 4 screws back in you should replace the > two screws that hold the smoke unit to the tender chassis, otherwise > you won't be able to get them in the holes with the cylinder in place. > And you will also need to insert the plug and it's attached drive arm > now or you won't be able to later. You then drive the 4 screws back in > to seal the wick chamber and then do your best to tighten the > aformentioned 2 screws as best you can since the cylinder blocks the > screw heads. > > Now the problem is that the drive gear jams, when it gets near the > position where the plug is all the way in, because the arm is too long. > I tried to shorten the arm by putting a kink in it but then it jams on > the other side because now the arm is not long enough. > > I figure either I should enlarge the hole on the drive arm to allow > more play, or use the old drive arm with a right angle bend and a slot > instead of a hole, or make a new attachment point in the drive gear > that's closer to the center thus reducing the range of motion of the > plug. Has anybody done any of these solutions or have any others? > __________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7155	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: LTI intermodal crane

Does anyone on list own/operate the Lionel Operating Intermodal Crane (#6-22922)? Does it work well? Does it look good with S ga? Are the containers oversized or too wide for S? Can they fit on a suitably modified Flyer flatcar? Any other comments on this accessory? Thanks, Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7156	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Big Engines

A Texas type would be nice as well. We can get into the T-1 In my world a T-1 is a Texas!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7157	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: LTI Intermodal Crane

Does anyone on list operate the LTI #6-22922 Operating Intermodal Crane? Does it work well? Does it look OK with Flyer? Do the containers fit on Flyer flatcars? Did you modify it in any way? Any other comments or advice on it? Thanks a lot. Tom Jarcho P.S.: I sent this once before but It didn't seem to go out. MY e-mail server is not working very well today. If you got this message twice, I apologize.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7158	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Champion Decals in S

Kelvin: Great work! This is really good news. Now I can build some New Haven Shoreliner cars. I was lucky enough to find some s gauge streamlined passenger car roof stock some years ago. Plastruct sides, and away we go! Incidentally, did you know that Minot, ND is a railroad town on the GN, named after Fredrick Minot, who was the first person to use telegraphy to control train movements safely? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7159	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: AF #768 Oil Supply Depot Parts.

Dear Fellow Ferroequinologists, Does anyone have the two "pipes" for the oil supply depot? I would prefer to purchase original ones. Additionally, what is the gauge of the wire that is attached to the base of this accessory and runs almost the length of it? Please contact me at mcwb@.... Thanks, Bobby T. Bryan, Jr. Kingsport, Tennessee.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7160	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Recent Flaming

Hello to All, I recently gave Bill Lane a public flaming on this list. I have received comments that said to the effect that he deserved it. He may have BUT, many of you out there probably don't know personally as I do and as others on this list do. To know his is to well���. Let's not get schmaltzy here���. In view of that I feel that I should add the following comment: Bill is one of the nicest guy that you will ever meet. It is just that he has the tenacity of a terrier casing a tennis ball, except that he's bigger and he chases keystones. Seriously, show him a 4 wheel trailing truck, he won't know what it's use is. (Unless its for the T-1) He thinks Northern is a direction and that Hudson and Niagara are the name of rivers! As I write this he is probably pushing for the S-Mod to include 4 track mainline modules. Ask anyone who has needed a piece of Pennsy information and they can tell you how Bill got it for them. While he won't give you the shirt of his back, he will give you copies of pattern that the company used to cut and sew the official Pennsy workshirt��� We all tease him about this and he generally takes it well. His once and future friend, John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7161	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo

RB, While I agree that it should not be necessary to have to modify an item which is supposedly RTR, I can live with that reality in view of the fact that to obtain Gilbert cars in a similar condition to new AM would cost five times as much, being as they are collectibles. I am in total agreement (and drooling over the possibility of) with your proposal of a SHS quality line of passenger cars. Cheers. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA ---------- From: RBubeck327@... [SMTP:RBubeck327@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 7:24 PM To: jmellon@...; S-trains@onelist.com; jarcho@... Subject: Re: RE: [S-Trains] ...Toledo Good advise, but (IMHO) the AM passenger cars are operationally sub-par when compared to 50 year-old Gilbert. Why should one have to make modifications to (and excuses for) a piece of new rolling stock? Some heavyweights manufactured to the quality level of the SHS wide-vision cabooses would be nice-and the extra cost would be worth it. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7162	From: Richard	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: AM Pass cars??

Yo all!! Having not the chance to lay eyes on these cars...whats the go?? What is good or bad about them. Are these the same cars marketed alsoby S-Helper...did SHS have any input into them?? just curious!! cheer >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7163	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: Toledo

Tom: We do all those types of operations and do not experience the problems that you seem to be having. That's not to say that we never have derailments, but those type of problems are generally due to "user error". Our display layout has a small yard and a staging yard. We do not make and break up passenger consists (they are generally kept together)during an operation session, but do so on a regular basis with freight consists, all of which includes a fair amount of reverse operation. Our freight consists also include mixtures of new S equipment with AF cars with no problems. Perhaps part of the problem you're having, as you suggested in an earlier post, lies with differences in our respective track systems. You use standard AF and we use the AM flextrack system. Our layout track configuration includes one 20" and two 21" radius curves. So, in that respect, they should be similar. If I think of any potential remedies, I'll get back in touch. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA ---------- From: jarcho@... [SMTP:jarcho@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 8:34 PM To: S-trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Toledo From: jarcho@... <mailto:jarcho@...> (Jarcho) Jay and Tom: do you back trains up through switches, make up and break up trains and run them thru lots of switches at yard throats, or do you more or less run them around and around loops, forward only? These things are difficult to do with the new stuff mixed with Flyer. Although they seem to go off the track when the spirit moves them, irrespective of location. I will double check those center sills next time I operate. . Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7164	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars??

What is with all the complaints about the AM passenger cars, I have the B&O set that came with the Pacific and a PRR set for my GG1. I have run both sets on my home layout, over 27" and 29" radius track with KD couplers and scale wheel and hi-rail wheel sets, no problems. This past December at the Charlotte Greenberg show I ran the PRR set with hi-rail wheel sets and the SHS SW-9 couplers over K-Line 27" radius and AF track w/rubber roadbed, again no problems. A buddy of mine, Pete Hildenbrand runs the PRR and Southern passengers cars with hi-rail wheel sets and KD couplers on his home layout, over traditional AF curves, again no problems. The problems may not be with the cars, but could result from poorly laid track. Remember even the AF traditional track system must be carefully set up. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7165	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars??

I have had these cars for years, ever since SHS first distributed them. They were made by AM. The only problem I had was that the center sills needed to be shortened so the trucks would swing for AF radius. I added lights (they now come illuminated, I think). Later I added talgo mounted Kadees so they would couple closer and that looks great. The axles were popped out off the axle holes (as was warned in the instructions) when they arrived. After popping them back in place they have run flawlessly on AF radius track for these many years. I think they're great cars. BTW, I bought a coach, RPO and observation, all shorter cars. The 80 footers are not recommended for AF radius and I have never tried them. Richard wrote: > > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > > Yo all!! > > Having not the chance to lay eyes on these cars...whats the go?? > What is good or bad about them. Are these the same cars marketed alsoby > S-Helper...did SHS have any input into them?? > > just curious!! > > cheer >:~)) Richard > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 > percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, > Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and > get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative3SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7166	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: AM Pass cars???

I have 3 of these cars, marketed by shs. Even when the wheels stay in the trucks (which isn't often) they derail around curves, switches, straight tracks, and whenever anyone in the room takes a deep breath. This is a shame, because they sure look great. Weighting and other desparate measures don't help. Some time I am gonna eat fish for a month to increase brain power to where I can figure out a way to get them to run. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7167	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: ebay madness?

Do any of you know of a buyer on ebay with the ID of starland98? I've seen many auctions he/she has won where the final price goes for several times the value. Not uncommon on ebay, but one week I tallied auctions won by starland that totalled a couple of thousand for mostly parts lots (of course, I was trying to get these lots cheap). Today, in fact, he won a 314AW in VG condition with controller for $460.90. At first I was thinking that he might be a shill buyer and the seller offering the item to the next highest bidder, but he seems to buy from many different sellers and for more than AF items. I'm just really curious as to how/why this person is spending that much on mostly parts. I know I couldn't possibly rebuild that many items myself in a couple of years straight. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7168	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame r. petrella

I am tired of reading post where fellow collectors whine about Ebay prices. Now we have R. Petrella actually name a E-bay buyer to complain that he spends too much on his purchases, speculates that he may be a dishonest shill, and buys too many parts (Petrella adds up starland98's purchases and obsesses about them) . He thinks $460.00 for a AW 314 with controller in VG is madness. It is in fact top dollar for a very hard to find engine (the controller is often missing) but it is not "several times the value" , he paid about 10% to 30% over the market value for this item. Maybe the man has an income that allows him to do this. Please R. Petrella, shut up, you have no idea what you are talking about, and remember- Ebay is a PERFECT free market. I have sold about 10 items of AF on Ebay and purchased four. As a seller, I was always happy with the price that was realized, but I never received much more than book value. My Ebay moniker is marc*mc. In the near future I will be selling a AF by Lionel Pony Express set ABA with 5 cars. I hope to get a fair price. Marc McCarron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7169	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Re: AM Pass cars???

what about a better brand of passenger car trucks? cheers Jarcho wrote: > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > I have 3 of these cars, marketed by shs. Even when the wheels stay in the > trucks (which isn't often) they derail around curves, switches, straight > tracks, and whenever anyone in the room takes a deep breath. This is a > shame, because they sure look great. Weighting and other desparate > measures don't help. Some time I am gonna eat fish for a month to > increase brain power to where I can figure out a way to get them to run. > > Tom Jarcho > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds. Get rates as low as 0.0 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW. > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative5SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7170	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: eBay mystery buyer

Roger Petrella asks: >Do any of you know of a buyer on ebay with the ID of starland98? >I tallied auctions won by him that totalled a couple of thousand for mostly parts lots. >I'm just really curious why this person is spending that much on mostly parts. Roger: Why don't you write him and ask him directly? Just click on his name and you can get his e-mail address. First do an eBay search for a buyer using his name. You can choose this from the search page. Just click on the "by bidder" tab. Then you can see all the auctions on which he bids. You can use this as a guide for shopping! When I have written other buyers, they have usually been friendly enough in their responses. They come right out and tell you why they are doing something as long as you don't tell them that what they paid was too much, or the lot wasn't worth it. This guy probably has a good reason for paying the big bucks for these parts. Ask him! Two to go, Chris Zizzo PS:- I just followed my own advice and I don't think he overpaid so much. I think he simply has the time and money to make the kind of use of eBay most of us only dream of. He has bought some great stuff. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7171	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: On Wisconsin

Can someone point me to the web address or phone number for any Wisconsin-based Flyer/hi-rail groups? Thanks. Paul Schneider PS: Thanks to all who took the time to respond to my question about the American Models reverser "problem." Various solutions will be tested on the DH&T (Dixon, Hamilton & Tidewater) in Andy McBride's attic in Milwaukee. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7172	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: ...Toledo

In a message dated 2/17/00 6:15:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmellon@... writes: << While I agree that it should not be necessary to have to modify an item which is supposedly RTR, I can live with that reality in view of the fact that to obtain Gilbert cars in a similar condition to new AM would cost five times as much, being as they are collectibles. >> Decent 'E' Gilbert heavyweights are ~3x the cost of the AM passenger cars, BTW. I own (what I will label) three generations of the AM passenger cars. I have been able to make all of them work properly on my AF tinplate layout, including going through switches. The early cars were as light as a feather, but this problem was addressed by AM adding weights (metal tubes) under the chassis. There are two things that continue to 'bug' me about these pieces: 1. The plastic truck and coupler assemblies are flimsy. They look, feel, and ARE cheap and have no business being on these cars. The support for the coupler can be warped and thus result in the release tab running afoul of the switch frogs. I have fixed this problem by removing the assembly and gently heating the part to permit straightening Equipping nice sprung diecast trucks on these cars would not be rocket science. 2. Removing the chassis of the observation car to replace lamps, add people silhouettes, etc. is a difficult operation to pull off with out damaging the finish of the car. The problem here is the window insert and roof are one part whose dimensions are correct for the coaches but is overly snug for the obs. BTW, on some samples, the paint over the clear plastic roof can be too thin, thus permitting light to shine through the roof in the dark. I am glad the AM is making equipment to help the S gauge hobby that usually runs pretty well, and I wish them much success. I own and enjoy some of it. One of their Pacifics in operation is 'magic'. However, AM tends to cut corners, which once cut, affect the operation and durability of their pieces. The devil is in the details, and I am willing to pay the extra $$ to have things done right. It is a shame to undermine an otherwise sound piece by incorporating: (1) details that break off easily on the Pacifics, (2) very fragile hand rails on the S-12's, or (3) plastic leading trucks and leading truck supports on the GG-1's (to name some examples). This is why I return, sooner or later, to my good ol' Gilbert with both joy and relief. Sorry for the long 'grump'. :-) RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7173	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: 322

John, I'm pasting a copy of an articale I wrote and that was published in the S-Say of the Rocky Mountain Righrailers. CAUTION - 'Rewired' may mean converted to DC, as mine was. If on application there is a hum or buzzing noise, shut off the power immediately. I am still stimied at the lack of smoke that comes through the delivery tube. It just pours out of the tender coupling. Read on and good luck! - Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID It all started when a mini-sale list came. Actually, it started much earlier, on the floor of the living room when a kid drooled over an American Flyer catalog. This mini-list lists a 322 Hudson, in E- condition, at a reasonable price. A note said "rewired." I can handle that - without the original wires, I thought. As my birthday was coming up, I showed the list to my wife. Taking the bull by the horns, I ordered it, knowing I wouldn't see it till my birthday. I was not completely right. I saw the shipping box when it arrived. My birthday came. The Hudson was opened. This is an E-, I thought? There were large patches of paint missing from the pilot and cylinders. The boiler showed signs of wear. A little worse for the wear elsewhere too, but no dents or bends. Closer examination showed the right rear tender handrail missing, and the original factory casting flash still there. The original wires from the tender, the smoke tube to the tender, and the drawbar were connected. It was lubed, placed on the track, and the power turned on slowly. The reward was a humming sound from the motor. It sounded mysteriously like a dc motor connected to ac. Then I remembered the magic word -- `rewired.' The Adventure Begins Closer examination showed the boiler had been repainted sometime, and 322 decaled. Taking the engine apart, I found the boiler slot for the reversing lever had been filled before the repaint, and a bridge rectifier had taken the place of the reverse unit on the locomotive chassis. Thus I ordered a QSI ACRU-E on Friday. I'd installed one years ago in a Royal Blue (350). I knew it would fit. My dealer told me they only sold direct. QSI told me they do sell through dealers. "Who is my dealer?" They would straighten him out. Anyway, on exchange of address and credit card information, the post office delivered it Monday. So why is there an $8 shipping charge of a $3 priority package? An order for reproduction black spray paint went off to another dealer. The QSI instruction sheets even had an illustration of a typical four wire installation from the tender diagram for an Atlantic. This is an improvement from the last one, where the only illustration was of a Lionel diesel chassis. The reference points were the two terminals on the back of the cab instead of the tender trucks as shown. The rectifier and associated wiring were removed. The wiring went in as shown. I insulated any wire joints (having kept the original headlight wiring) so they wouldn't short out to the chassis or boiler. Full of faith, I connected the chassis and boiler together with the valve gear (not too tight on the attachment screws, or it will bind the mechanism). Plugging the engine into the two tender wires and connecting the smoke tube I discovered two things - It only runs in forward and the smoke unit in the tender doesn't do anything. Smoke The smoke in tender has a separate motor in the tender to drive a bellows to move the smoke. Once oiled, carefully avoiding the brushes, and spun by hand a few times, the motor showed signs of life. I gave the commutator a shot of "Hole Shot" that is designed for spraying on a moving commutator(of a slot car motor). This can was from the slot car area of a hobby shop here. The motor perked right up, but still no smoke. Taking the cover plate off of the smoke chamber (there are four screws - don't loose them), I discovered the element and wicking burnt . The replacement part was ordered from another dealer - spread the wealth. This is becoming the money pit. The part arrived, it looks intimidating stuffing all that fiberglass through those bitsy holes (later - it is intimidating). The instructions are also bit intimidating. It gets set aside for another day where frustration won't matter. Meanwhile, there is track to set up and trains to run for Christmas - The Hudson won't be one of those running. Whoa Paint Meanwhile, the black spray came, and the cylinders and pilot were cleaned (in the dishwasher) and sprayed. Remember it had been previously repainted. The color match is less than perfect. Meanwhile, there are only a few days warm enough to think of a repainting project for the remainder of this winter. The engine and pilot and the pilot truck were reunited. The unshelled tender tilts on the curves, interrupting power, switching the unit to neutral. More Smoke With the smoke generator separated from the chassis (two screws from the top), I turned it over to find a half inch of the bottom of the bellows not attached, and with a raged edge. I picked up some flexible `Sportsman's Goop' (there are about six varieties of Goop to choose from) from the hardware store. I cleaned up the metal and the bellows material before Gooping the joint. I reinforced it with a small patch of cloth, and an overcoat of Goop, working it through the cloth (using disposable rubber gloves). I set that aside to cure. Seeing the wick assembly and knowing it is all supposed to be squashed in that little fluid chamber (there are four screws holding this cover on from the bottom) is unnerving. Further, those are little holes that you must feed the fiberglass strands through. Clean out the holes with a drill bit and a round needle file, without enlarging them. Maintain the original insulator and gasket pieces. Replace them if you have any doubts of their insulation properties. Scrape any remains of the old wick from the insulators and gaskets. The instructions said to twist the strands tight. Tried that - several times. Tried an improvised Chinese finger puzzle - that wouldn't feed through either, though it did hold the wick. Finally, I thinned down the ends with my side cutters, twisted and fit the end in the eye of a needle. The largest needle that would fit through the hole was too big. The next smallest worked, enabling the fiberglass strands to follow through the holes. Needle choice is important. It must have a large eye, but room has to be left to pass the fiberglass wick and the end of the needle simultaneously. Doing this, the first end of the wick was easy. The second end was easier. The ends of the fiberglass must be all compacted into the fluid chamber on the bottom, and the gasket and cover quickly fastened before the ends pop out, ruining the seal. Watch for any loose fiberglass between the chamber and the gasket. Tighten all four lower screws. Adjust the element windings so they are evenly spaced. Mine wasn't in bad condition. When there are no winding to winding shorts continue the installation. The eyelets in the top insulator must be opened of the old solder. Heat and wick it away (with a solder braid) or blow it out while the solder is liquid. It will be hot. The solder will not adhere to the nichrome element, but feed the ends of the element through the eyelets in the top insulator, we go for the mechanical connection of the nichrome to the solder. Replace the top of the smoke chamber, with the element leads passing through their individual eyelets. Resolder the leads to the eyelets, with the smoke element leads passing through. The element has a mechanical connection to the solder. Trim off the element ends. Set the tender on the track, fill the tank with fresh smoke fluid (Always fill first to avoid replacing the element a second time.), and apply power. Somehow I knew that the little motor would have problems. It did. It could only complete the full stroke cycle if running at over 13 volts. The decision was made to replace the bellows, not with new material, but with a cylinder and piston. Another order went off for the cylinder & nut, piston, link and pin. When those pieces arrive, I find that the bellows unit isn't held to the smoke chamber by a nut as it appears. Gently twist it off, insert the cylinder and tighten the nut, securing the cylinder to the back of the smoke unit. Insert the piston, link and pin before securing the smoke chamber to the tender. Then secure the assembly to the tender floor. I lucked out as there were no tender wires needing replacement. You may have some in your upgrade. New smoke fluid. Keeping the engine wires from the front of the tender away from the rails, I power it up. Smoke, lots of it. Even at minimum throttle settings. However, when the smoke delivery tube is added, it takes a long discouraging time to fill up. The volume isn't nearly as much, even though the tube is clear. Meanwhile, back at the engine, and with the tender casting still off, I decided to repaint the boiler, cylinders, pilot, smokebox front and tender castings. The recently painted pieces don't match anyway. And then there are the decaled 322 stickers. The die is cast. I shall try the Tide method. I carefully place each small part from the disassembly into a kit box. The Tide Shifts Partially filling a plastic bucket with water, I dissolved a half cup of laundry detergent and inserted the pieces. For several days, I toothbrushed the castings. Two things were accomplished. The new paint came off while the older paint remained. White deposits appeared in screw holes and interior corners. Oh, and the brass clips that hold the smokebox front to the boiler fell off. All this before I left for vacation. I Turn Anti-environmentalist On returning, I cleaned the white deposits as best I could. I located two wide mouth quart jars, and a quart of acetone. Outside, I used half the acetone in each bottle. I dipped the smaller parts. The paint literally drips off. Thus encouraged, the front half of the boiler is inserted. Very little toothbrushing is needed. Satisfied, the cab end goes in neatly through the wide mouth. The tender is treated in the same manner. While the paint is gone, a tint remains from the dissolved paint in the acetone. The hardware store gladly sells me some more. A cleansing dip. Disposing of the brew took less than three days for the uncapped liquid to evaporate. Then the jar goes in the trash. I ordered rubber stamps for the "American Flyer Lines" and the New York Central Emblem on the tender, and the "322" for the cab. The spray can of Rustoleum Flat Black paint indicates that no primer is needed over metal. We will find out in a few years whether that is true or not. I took them at their word. Painting I took the paint stand and the parts outside to paint. The paint stands consist of an 8" length of 1X2 mounted on end to a 6"X12" � inch plywood piece. The top of the 1X2 was wrapped over the top with �" foam, held in place with a plastic wire tie. The boiler and the tender shell both fit securely on their stands. Tape covers the drawbar attachment at the rear of the cab. The smokebox front and cylinders just sit on the plywood, while the pilot is screwed to the top of its stand. The flat black is applied. A sheet of scrap plastic is also painted to practice using the rubber stamps. A crafts store has white pigment for the stamps. I won't go into detail about the embossing powder - It was a blind alley and had to be removed and the cab repainted. The dealer says he hasn't found a good vehicle to use with his rubber stamps. Yes, this isn't perfect, but then, neither was the factory. Forget the glasses, get up close to stamp these. You need to see the stamp approach the painted metal to get it positioned for the stamp. Several practices, and I have enough courage to attempt the real thing. Several stamps go perfectly. Then there is the tender. That is a long stamp. Fortunately, the pigment is removable with a dampened cloth. It remains smearable several weeks later - be careful. The pigment is meant for stamping on paper, which absorbs the pigment. No such luck on painted metal. Several tries were needed on the right side. Satisfied it won't get any better, I apply, outside again, a satin clear coat, again from a spray can. I chose satin over matte or glossy. It just doesn't seem right that the painted parts should wait a long time to get reassembled. But vacations do happen now and then. Remember which screws go where? I suggest oiling and greasing the motor and gear box before reassembling. Then, clean your hands well before proceeding. I cleaned the handrails with a Scotchbrite pad, the same pad I use to clean the track. Attach the handrails to the boiler and the tender. New cotter pins can be used, and will look much better. There is a smoke tube to be reattached. Be sure it isn't pinched over the motor. Be sure the adhesive on the reverse unit holds, otherwise add a small dab of silicone sealant (be sure none gets on the circuit board, or there will be corrosion). Check the lamp. I didn't, and had to reglue the two brass clips that hold the boiler front in place. 5 minute epoxy has its limitations. The second time I used full cure, full strength epoxy. And the clips held. In reattaching the valve train, there are six shouldered screws. Two have longer shoulders than the others. These go in the back, where the double layer of metal casting is to be gone through. Get the socket board mounted to the cab, slid the frame assembly into position and insert the two screws up front. Attach the cylinder casting with the valve guides attached. Attach the lead truck to the pilot casting and then attach the assembly to the rest of the engine. Remove the tape from the drawbar attachment at the rear of the cab. The tender is easy, with all that prior preparation, only two things are needed. I formed a handrail, taking one to the hardware store to get a good match of material. Turned out to be .047 inch steel music wire. I formed it over the 1/8 inch shank of a Dremel cutter, though a drill bit would also work. This is a stiff wire. I clamped the wire over and perpendicular to the shank. Then I was able to form the curve around the shank. Get the angle right on the lower attachment, as it will not take to repositioning via twisting. The 36 inch length gives you plenty of attempts to get it right. The handrails were inserted into the casting along with the railing around the water hatch. Again, a Scotchbrite pad was used to clean them up. New cotter pins were used on the railing. Four screws attach the tender top to the frame. Now there should be no screws left in the parts box. I counted one left over. Where it came from is a mystery, as none are missing. Could be I had a similar screw in another parts box that was lonely. Attach the coupling between the tender and the locomotive, and also the smoke tube. The smoke tube must be unrestricted, or reposition it until it is. I set it on the track, and away it went. Did I mention to be sure to clean and polish the tender pickup wheels? Next project will be to take the portable layout down to the Train Show in Idaho Falls October 9. The Hudson will be there entered in the locomotive category as restored. Note, it won second prize. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7174	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame r petrella

Marc McCarron: Roger's post and others like it are not out of line at all. On the contrary, your post is way out of line. As anyone who has worked in the toy train business can tell you, the behavior of collectors is often disgusting and foolish -- human nature at its worst. E-bay offers a whole new arena and system for this behavior. Speculating on this behavior and its motivations is quite legitimate. S-list is a perfect place to discuss this issue and try to come to grips with it. If you don't like it, simply use your delete button. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7175	From: Fred Hackett	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Reply to Message 21

Starland98 does the same thing on choochooauctions.com which is like ebay but only has train related auctions. It also has a rule to help prevent bid snipping, in that it doesn't close at the scheduled time if some one bids just before it is supposed to close. This allows you to bid a 1.00 or .50 cents or whatever more so that if you want it you get it. Just today Starland98 bid $80.88 for motor parts, wheels, trucks, etc. not alot of parts for $80.88. Of course shipping is extra. Got the other AF parts lot up to $62.00 for the following items: Parts Lot This lot includes a working magnet for a crane (pretty sure this is AF), a tender smoke unit. Needs repair and brushes, etc., a smoke hose, a Diesel wheel and gear box, 4 cattle for a corral, and two 697 operating track clips. Hard to find parts! I was wondering about it myself. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7176	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: curse of the heavyweights

RB is right. Some nice heavy metal replacement trucks for the AM cars would be great. I would prefer rigid trucks but apparently I'm a minority on this. Sprung or not, they should be "drop in" parts. I can live with the existing couplers and arms, which I shortened, but perhaps a stamped metal arm that would take a Flyer coupler would be good too. A leaf spring to center the coupler would probably be too much to ask. Flyer heavyweights had a lot of problems,too. If you have a set that runs, someone probably worked on them. The first ones had those huge trucks which snagged on switches and derailed on curves. They were quickly withdrawn. The floors were made of acetate plastic which Gilbert was trying to use up. They knew it would warp. The steps bend down and snag the trucks. Loss of the stearic acid mold release which was mixed into the plastic and migrated to the surface caused the floors to shrink too, often enough to crack the bakelite bodies. These bodies were very thin at the ends of the roof to clear the ridiculous working door assemblies, so the car ends often break or broke off. If a door window was touched in the course of poking open the doors -- no more window. The bakelite of the bodies is impervious to oil based paint -- the paint just falls off in time. When the 6 wheel cast sideframe knuckle coupler trucks were added, they forgot to allow for the thickness of the casting and the trucks snagged the steps. The factory resorted at first to cutting half of each step off diagonally with a saw. They changed the trucks about 3 times before they got them right, but they did get rid of those metal doors. The rivet / contact arm system for powering the lights, which was necessary because the floors couldn't take the heat of soldering, was unreliable. Compared to all this , AM didn't do too badly at all. Even the prototype Pullmans had major problems. At least 3 books on passenger rail travel that I have read blame the poor accomodations in these cars -- upper and lower berths, privacy created only by a curtain, lack of restroom facilities, for the decline in long distance rail passenger traffic BEFORE WW II. Many coaches had uncomfortable seats, often with woven cane covers for durability. By the time the rr's resorted to mostly all room and roomette service and comfortable seats, it was too late. People were using their cars. The Pullmans were probably the best riding American passenger cars ever, though, with their heavy weight and 6 wheel trucks. Maybe there's just a curse on heavyweight passenger cars. Paint just flies off the original Lionel versions. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7177	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

Tom, Yeah, but they look soooo coool!! I'm with you on some simple, die-cast trucks, though I dislike the AM couplers. I don' t need sprung trucks, my trackwork isn't that delicate. I love the detailing on the new cars, but they just feel so cheap, there's no weight to them, and the plastic trucks re-enforce that feeling. I also don' t like the "sealed" car set up, I'd like some simple screws to undo to detail the car interiors, if I so desire. After seeing my friend's sets of them, I concluded I didn't want them, until I found a full set of AF trucks to put under them--of course, I haven't found that either!! Are there any GOOD reproduction floors, ones that aren't patterned after an already-shrunk floor? I wouldn't even mind if the repro floors had more details on the battery boxes!! ;-) I am assuming the heavyweight molds didn't survive, or I'd think even big L would see the profitability of making new ones. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7178	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

In a message dated 2/18/00 2:46:33 PM, jarcho@... writes: << Flyer heavyweights had a lot of problems,too. If you have a set that runs, someone probably worked on them. The first ones had those huge trucks which snagged on switches and derailed on curves. They were quickly withdrawn. The floors were made of acetate plastic which Gilbert was trying to use up. .......... >> Tom gives a very good recounting of the various development problems in Gilbert heavyweights. One can also find floor warpage in the observation cars from the knuckle era -- evidently because the high impact polystyrene "HIPS" (rather than acetate) was fabricated with a too cold mold temperature. In terms of the originals, I've been lucky, I guess. I have one link set with an extra sleeper (Yes, the Pullman is actually modeled after a PRR sleeper, so Don Thompson tells me.) from 1950 which look and run great. My original boyhood set (from 1951) also have always operated well. I also have a set of1953 production as a part of the "Trail Blazer" set which look and operate great. Implicit in Tom's comments is that one should inspect samples of these carefully before buying -- and this is correct. Although Gilbert had their missteps, it is not too difficult to find decent examples of AF heavyweights manufactured over a fair number of years (~1949 to 1958) that are more than satisfactory, and they have been generally better operators, as received, for me than the AM models. RB PS: BTW, the prewar O gauge diecast body heavyweights with the long trucks (my samples, again) run superbly, although they are a bear to pull in a long string. In this case, all six wheels in the trucks are flanged and turn individually on their shafts, whereas, the inner two were blind in the early postwar long trucks -- hence the switch snagging that Tom mentions.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7179	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: S Fest address

Anyone know the URL address for the S Fest. I wrote a few days ago and have not heard back but I cannot find where I saved the address. I was interested in the wood reefer meet car. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7180	From: RBubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

In a message dated 2/18/00 3:02:00 PM, djdewey@... writes: << I am assuming the heavyweight molds didn't survive, or I'd think even big L would see the profitability of making new ones. >> They didn't survive, unfortunately. The heavyweight molds for the combination and the Pullman were reworked from the original prewar molds used for die-casting the O gauge versions. This is why many of the post war versions are cast in Bakelite rather than injection molded. The mold for the observation car is a split design of post war origin -- hence, the seam mark along the roofs of the observation cars, but not the other two. In later production, polymers had advanced significantly so that injection molding of black-pigmented high impact polystyrene with processing aids could be substituted for Bakelite (which is a thermoset). Unfortunately, the HIPS bodies were not treated properly, so the paint did not stick very well to the thermoplastics either. The painting problem is why most of the Bakelite cars are fabricated from dark green or red pigmented material. If the molds had survived, it would have been very inefficient (read expensive) for Lionel to have used them. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7181	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Track power & hot field

- Greeting`S' - A couple of interesting questions were submitted by Robert and George. Separate power for unloading cars is wired something like this. Look under the car at the truck opposite the one with the tab outside which makes contact with the special, raised rail. That car will have a pair of metal wheels on one side. Denote the rail for that side as common between the train power and the accessory power. The train supply con- nects between the two rails. The accessory power connects between the common rail and the pushbutton. The other terminal on the pushbutton connects to the special, raised rail. This works fine for my log un- loading car. The field coil should not get hot. Warm, okay, but not hot. If you have this problem, avail yourself of a voltmeter, AC if that is what you operate with. With the reverser in neutral and track power applied, is there any voltage across the field? There should not be any. With the loco block in the air so drivers may turn freely and with the power on, wheels turning rapidly on 10 to 12 V, there should be no more than 1 1/2 V across the field in forward or reverse. More than this indi- cates that current for something else is going thru the field winding. Check the loco against some of the available wiring diagrams. Hope this helps. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7182	From: Neal Flomenberg	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: SHS Sante Fe SW9

Way back when, I waited too long to buy an SHS SW9 and the Sante Fe sold out. I was hoping the second release would include that roadname, but, unfortunately, it did not. Any suggestions regarding dealers who might still have one hanging about would be appreciated. Thanks, Neal

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7183	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Ebay and us

From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) Marc McCarron: Roger's post and others like it are not out of line at all. On the contrary, your post is way out of line. As anyone who has worked in the toy train business can tell you, the behavior of collectors is often disgusting and foolish -- human nature at its worst. E-bay offers a whole new arena and system for this behavior. Speculating on this behavior and its motivations is quite legitimate. S-list is a perfect place to discuss this issue and try to come to grips with it. If you don't like it, simply use your delete button. Tom Jarcho McCarrons reply: Rogers post was inappropriate. His speculation was slanderous. He is a weenie who needs to get a life instead tracking a persons buying habits and adding up his totals. It is a waste of time. Train collection is full of people who are obsessive compulsive, people who have to collect to fill in the emotional gaps in their lives. E-bay pisses off people who are insecure and jealous. Ebay is a way to cut out the middle man, the train dealer. Ebay is not going away, and I think thousands of people like to buy trains there. I have been to York enough times to see how honest (my then) TCA members were not. Too many people screwing over other people (with the majority of dealers being honest folk, but to be a majority you only need to be 51%). I think you are a Ebay whiner. I think people who whine are insecure and petty. To say my post is way out of line says much about your values. I do not like them. The man whom Petrella was writing about deserves his privacy. He also has a right to spend his money as he chooses to. I like the idea personal freedom. I also know when I am outbid on Ebay that many people have more disposable income than me. That's life. I'm a big boy and don't whine about it. Marc McCarron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7184	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Sante Fe SW9

Dear Neal, I have marked you e-mail and If I hear of any I will let you know. Maybe someone on the list has an extra they would like to part with.. I know the Santa Fe did not own any SW-1s and If we do make more SW-9s, I would most likely produce the black and silver (white?) scheme instead of the blue and yellow again. I am also sorry to report that we sold out of the AT&SF extended vision cabooses, but if we run them again, I plan on offering another number. Don T. Neal Flomenberg wrote: > From: "Neal Flomenberg" <nflomenb@...> > > Way back when, I waited too long to buy an SHS SW9 and the Sante Fe sold > out. I was hoping the second release would include that roadname, but, > unfortunately, it did not. > > Any suggestions regarding dealers who might still have one hanging about > would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Neal > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more. Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative1SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7185	From: Jarcho	Date: 2/18/2000
Subject: flame marc mccarran

Thank you Marc for illustrating my point so conclusively: the behaviour of train collectors can be disgusting and foolish. As disgusting and foolish as your postings are, I've seen a lot worse! Roger was not inappropriate or slanderous. Who started calling whom "weenies"? "Insecure"? "Petty"? "Jealous"? A "whiner" ? Possesed of "bad values" ? Who's zooming who here? You are the one slinging mud, and very ignorant mud if I may say so. Jerks like you unfortunately have a burning need to turn playing with trains, which is all we are trying to do, into a game with "winners" and "losers". You mix in a bunch of concepts that you don't really understand, like personal freedom, free markets, being a "big boy", etc., wrap yourself in the flag, and end up the mess that you are. Roger was speculating about some weird conduct. He had every right to do this. He was trying to learn something about what's going on on e-bay. Are you opposed to learning too? You don't seem to like it much. that's for sure. And here's a flash for you, bo: there is no privacy on the internet. None. Deal with it. The same technology that makes instant communication possible, makes instant monitoring possible. You want privacy, use the u.s. mail. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7186	From: comic@digitalputty.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: eBay madness??

Maybe He, She, or it, are settin' up shop and it looks like they have a lot of money to throw around!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7187	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us

I agree with Marc 100% I'm not on this list to hear people whine about ebay!GET A LIFE!personal business on the internet may be wide open TOM,But it's kinda like dog poop.Just because it's there,you DON'T HAVE TO STICK YOUR NOSE IN IT!!!! If I wish to pay $12,000 for a 630 caboose with a broken coupler,SO WHAT??Maybe I've got a lot of dough and like to throw it around.I think the whiners just wish they had the money and rather than go make some more it's easier to pout.I just paid $68.99 for a 697 track clip.You see all of mine are mint and I needed a rusty one for my collection. Marc McCarron wrote: > > From: "Marc McCarron" <mrmccarron@...> > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Marc McCarron: Roger's post and others like it are not out of line at all. > On the contrary, your post is way out of line. > > As anyone who has worked in the toy train business can tell you, the > behavior of collectors is often disgusting and foolish -- human nature at > its worst. > > E-bay offers a whole new arena and system for this behavior. > > Speculating on this behavior and its motivations is quite legitimate. > S-list is a perfect place to discuss this issue and try to come to grips > with it. > > If you don't like it, simply use your delete button. > > Tom Jarcho > > McCarrons reply: > > Rogers post was inappropriate. His speculation was slanderous. He is a > weenie who needs to get a life instead tracking a persons buying habits and > adding up his totals. It is a waste of time. Train collection is full of > people who are obsessive compulsive, people who have to collect to fill in > the emotional gaps in their lives. E-bay pisses off people who are insecure > and jealous. Ebay is a way to cut out the middle man, the train dealer. > Ebay is not going away, and I think thousands of people like to buy trains > there. I have been to York enough times to see how honest (my then) TCA > members were not. Too many people screwing over other people (with the > majority of dealers being honest folk, but to be a majority you only need to > be 51%). > I think you are a Ebay whiner. I think people who whine are insecure and > petty. To say my post is way out of line says much about your values. I do > not like them. > The man whom Petrella was writing about deserves his privacy. He also has > a right to spend his money as he chooses to. I like the idea personal > freedom. I also know when I am outbid on Ebay that many people have more > disposable income than me. > That's life. I'm a big boy and don't whine about it. > > Marc McCarron > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative2SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7188	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: New Parts Book

In a recent check of ebay I noticed SSS Supplies has a new parts book on Dutch bids. Check out ebay# 262384152. It looks pretty good. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7189	From: RRDART@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us

In a message dated 2/19/00 9:57:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, bradrock@... writes: << You see all of mine are mint and I needed a rusty one for my collection. >> THAT IS THE BEST POST I HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME! Really, The value of ANYTHING to you is determined by what you are willing to part with for it. e.g. the value of seeing a baseball game in person for me is not worth the price in most instances because I have to pay for a toll to the park and [pay for parking and a ticket and for any snacks and have to spend time driving each way and waiting in line and for gas. This compares to watching the game on HTS where I can turn it off as soon as the Oriole bullpen comes in to blow the damned thing and I go back to whatever else entertains me. JohnC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7190	From: Alan Bataille	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us

Please take me off this list. I don't see an unsubscribe link. If anybody knows of a list where mature people talk about operating trains, please let me know. I will miss the people (tand you know who you are) who always had good contributions. At least I can still link to your websites. It's too bad the small minority (and you know who you are) have to ruin things for the rest.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7191	From: comic@digitalputty.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: eBay madness??

Maybe He, She, or it, are settin' up shop and it looks like they have a lot of money to throw around!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7192	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: FOR SALE

############################################# From the Desk of choochoo64 NASG 90R0375E gpmlg@... AMERICAN FLYER 1989 NASG MKT 1-D TANK CAR 200.00 AMERICAN FLYER 1990 NASG PENNZOIL TANK CAR 150.00 TAKE EM BOTH FOR FREE SHIPPING PLUS I'LL SEND 1 LB OF MY NEW S GAUGE BALLAST FREE! All items are sold on a first come first served basis. Happy to assist you, and I do appreciate your interest. Perhaps I can help you on some other items. Thank you. George ####################### ebayID choochoo64

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7193	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: SWS and long trains

All aboard ! I think that I have finally been able to get my wife to understand the need to buy SWS. 1. Trains always need to be longer. 2. Starter sets need more cars. 3. More cars need more engines. 4. More cars and engines require more track. 5. More track NEEDS longer trains. Make sense to me. Now, my question to you out there: Does it harm my SW-9 to pull long trains at very slow speeds? Right now I have 12 cars and the engine is doing fine. But what about 24 cars? How about 36 cars? How many engines will the power pack that came with my ICG starter set handle? I want to stay with DC that provides the constant lighting to the caboose. What larger wattage transformers are available that work the same as the SWS? Are the SWS power pack available without the starter sets ? How many cars will two or three SW-9's pull? The F-3 has never one of my favorite engines but how many cars will it pull? Is there going to be an A-B-A available? With two or three motors? I have been considering the AM line of engines but It concerns me that they have not been getting very good press here on the list. River Raisin is just to expensive for me to even think about. All thoughts from you all will be appreciated. Thanks...Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7194	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: bad behavior

I intensely dislike seeing macho bullshit on s-list, whether it's about: "whiners" , large radius curves , or whatever. We are here to talk about operating, repairing, restoring, collecting, buying and selling, and the history of, AF and other s gauge trains and their prototypes. A spirit of cooperation, even though we have our disagreements, is what makes the thing work. Discussing train prices is certainly a legitimate part of what we do. Discussing what happens on e-bay is a legitimate part of what we do. If you want to be competitive, call people whiners, brag about how much money you spend, how big your pee pee is, etc, there's probably a site for that crap. This is not it. Maybe there's a WWF site somewhere you would enjoy more than this one. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7195	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Fwd: FOR SALE

In a message dated 2/19/00 4:02:03 PM Central Standard Time, GPMLG writes: << S-Trains@onelist.com >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7196	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay and us

You demand freedom of speech for yourself but want to deny it to others. Is this country great or what?????????? Brad Rockwell wrote: > From: Brad Rockwell <bradrock@...> > > I agree with Marc 100% I'm not on this list to hear people whine about > ebay!GET A LIFE!personal business on the internet may be wide open > TOM,But it's kinda like dog poop.Just because it's there,you DON'T HAVE > TO STICK YOUR NOSE IN IT!!!! If I wish to pay $12,000 for a 630 caboose > with a broken coupler,SO WHAT??Maybe I've got a lot of dough and like to > throw it around.I think the whiners just wish they had the money and > rather than go make some more it's easier to pout.I just paid $68.99 for > a 697 track clip.You see all of mine are mint and I needed a rusty one > for my collection. > Marc McCarron wrote: > > > > From: "Marc McCarron" <mrmccarron@...> > > > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > > > Marc McCarron: Roger's post and others like it are not out of line at all. > > On the contrary, your post is way out of line. > > > > As anyone who has worked in the toy train business can tell you, the > > behavior of collectors is often disgusting and foolish -- human nature at > > its worst. > > > > E-bay offers a whole new arena and system for this behavior. > > > > Speculating on this behavior and its motivations is quite legitimate. > > S-list is a perfect place to discuss this issue and try to come to grips > > with it. > > > > If you don't like it, simply use your delete button. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > McCarrons reply: > > > > Rogers post was inappropriate. His speculation was slanderous. He is a > > weenie who needs to get a life instead tracking a persons buying habits and > > adding up his totals. It is a waste of time. Train collection is full of > > people who are obsessive compulsive, people who have to collect to fill in > > the emotional gaps in their lives. E-bay pisses off people who are insecure > > and jealous. Ebay is a way to cut out the middle man, the train dealer. > > Ebay is not going away, and I think thousands of people like to buy trains > > there. I have been to York enough times to see how honest (my then) TCA > > members were not. Too many people screwing over other people (with the > > majority of dealers being honest folk, but to be a majority you only need to > > be 51%). > > I think you are a Ebay whiner. I think people who whine are insecure and > > petty. To say my post is way out of line says much about your values. I do > > not like them. > > The man whom Petrella was writing about deserves his privacy. He also has > > a right to spend his money as he chooses to. I like the idea personal > > freedom. I also know when I am outbid on Ebay that many people have more > > disposable income than me. > > That's life. I'm a big boy and don't whine about it. > > > > Marc McCarron > > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. Rates as low as 2.9 percent > > Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards > > Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > > credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at > > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative2SR ">Click Here</a> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa. ZERO. Rates as low as 0 > percent Intro or 9.9 percent Fixed APR, online balance transfers, > Rewards Points, no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and > get the credit you deserve. Apply now. Get your NextCard Visa at > <a href=" http://clickme.onelist.com/ad/NextcardCreative3SR ">Click Here</a> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7197	From: michael prell	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Is it time to moderate?

Ladies and gentlemen! Children of all ages!! has the time come when Mr. York should consider moderating this board in the manner that the folks at TCA have been practicing? God, but I would hate to see that happen. Come ON, people! Let's not ruin a very good thing. If you've got personal gripes, it wouldn't be hard to address your issues on a personal level by using direct e-mail. Please don't clutter this site with garbage. Please! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7198	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: flame r petrella

Huh ? Who, --- Me ??? Jarcho wrote: > > From: jarcho@... (Jarcho) > > Marc McCarron: Roger's post and others like it are not out of line at all. > On the contrary, your post is way out of line.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7199	From: johnford	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Dave Ewing wrote: > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > All aboard ! > Make sense to me. Now, my question to you out there: > > Does it harm my SW-9 to pull long trains at very slow speeds? > Right now I have 12 cars and the engine is doing fine. > But what about 24 cars? How about 36 cars? > How many engines will the power pack that came with my ICG starter set handle? Dave, I have found that as long as the motor dosen't stall out or made to lug at too low of a speed for too long that you're probably all right. Of couse the neat thing about DC power is that you can just about put as many powered locos as you can afford together as long as they have similar motors and gearing. > I want to stay with DC that provides the constant lighting to the caboose. > What larger wattage transformers are available that work the same as the SWS? > Are the SWS power pack available without the starter sets ? While I can't report on the SHS power pack, you only need to know that no matter how many motors are in use, they are only going to pull as much power (watts) as they need regardless of the number of motors. Of course I think diesels need to be in groups of two or more and the greater number of motors, the less each indivdual motor has to work. They stay cooler in groups whether the're pull 1 car or 100. As far as power pack go there are some out there that can put out a lot. Just be aware that if you're putting a lot of power into the track that any short can become a big deal. > How many cars will two or three SW-9's pull? I've been pulling upwards of 25 cars (AM & SHS) with a single SW-9 on SHS 27" Ra track with no problems. > The F-3 has never one of my favorite engines but how many cars will it pull? > Is there going to be an A-B-A available? With two or three motors? Quien sabe? "S"incerely, John O.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7200	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: S- Helper at Retail and the Industrial Rail Cars Expanding S-Gauge

Hi Track Gang: My wife had to take her teeth in for a routine cleaning today, and since this is her original, permanently attached set, they could not go UPS, so I drove her. I stopped in nearby Freeport while the prophylaxis was going on, and visited Charlie at Nassau Hobbies. His store is an awesome, overwhelming testament to the health of this hobby. He moved here from smaller quarters over on the next block that he, and before him, his father, occupied for forty or more years. Charlie always ordered my Flyer releases for me and recently got listed as an S-Helper dealer, though I have only seen one Showcase Line freight car in his store, a plywood flat with a blue wrapped load, and it has long ago been sold. Like most dealers, Charlie has never believed that S-gauge was self supporting. The new Flyer was all sold on an order basis, no stock, and the old Flyer seemed to hang around without sparking much interest. Let's face facts, if the old stuff was common, collector's didn't need it. They already had it and in better condition. If the old stuff was exceptionally clean or scarcer in nature, it sold right away, but it still represented only a small portion of overall sales. The new Flyer was all spoken for, but there was a limited number of guys buying it. So, this year, Charlie became an SHS dealer. Good work, Don. He decided to try out the starter sets and he bought some extra track. So how did he do? "We sold out", he says, "I just have a few pieces of the straight track left." I couldn't help rubbing it in a little. "So, you CAN sell S-gauge around here?", I nudged. "Yes," said Charlie, "we're very happy with it and we'll try some more." Heartening, ain't it? While I was there, I picked up an Industrial Rail 3/16ths. 0-gauge caboose. "Ahhh," said Charlie, "you're going to change the trucks? Try this one." With that, he handed me a big box with the biggest of the hopper cars. This one was bigger than the box cars. But it should have been much bigger, because it's a huge, outside braced, 4-bay hopper. "It's closer to S," Charlie laughed as he pulled it and a two bay coal hopper out. "It should dwarf a two bay, instead they're both almost the same size." I must admit, that at first glance, I would have dismissed this car as regular 0 and much too big for me, but Charlie had a point. This big 4-bay should have been much bigger in scale. Except for the ladders and brake wheel, which look a little oversize, this is an S car. I bought it, took off those big trucks and tried a set of S trucks and . . . voila! If you do this, you will need the beefiest set of roller bearing trucks (not the little friction bearing archbars I had handy) and you will need extended length couplers to reach the bolsters. Wait till you see how easy the conversion is. It is all of four screws and NO car disassembly. I took the caboose apart. It was tricky because of the ladder tops. I used a razor and cut the pins. They were glued in, any other method would have trashed the car. Man, that's a nice caboose with S trucks. I'm going to light it. I saw the ore car. Nice, definitely S, but it's a little, black, wooden hopper, more suitable to a narrow gauge mining road. Same deal with the log car, though I must admit, that metal frame with the chains to hold the logs was a nice design. Sn3 guys with a logging or mining operation have a real find here. All the cars were $19.95. Speaking of narrow gauge, I saw 3 different Bachman sets. I love that painted look which heightens the wood appearance. And those little steamers! $119.95 per set. $19.95 for extra cars, Spectrum, no less! Will one of you geniuses come up with a way to regauge them for S? Bizarre of Bachman to offer Baltimore and Ohio in narrow gauge, but the set is beautiful. Here's the weird part. I compared a Bachman On3 wood coach on HO trucks to the Industrial Rail caboose on 027 trucks. The coach was taller. Well, that's how I spent one hour today, between 11:15 and 12:15 when I went back to collect my wife's teeth and the woman attached to them. It was a good hour. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7201	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: E-bay

I wonder how many of us wish there was a special forum for those that want to talk about E-bay "S" train related topics. I would would not miss it if E-bay was never mentioned again. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7202	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Loud mouths

Tom Jarcho Wrote"I intensely dislike seeing macho bullshit on s-list, whether it's about: "whiners" , large radius curves , or whatever." I've been sitting back a while while certain people rant and rave about how smart they are. I prefer these people go elsewhere also. Thanks Tom! I have to agree with you whole heartedly! Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7203	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: The "Petrella & McCarron" posts

After re-reading these several times,{guess I need a life!}, I think Petrella lost the whinning contest!! I myself am new to eBay, but have bought several items and have been quite pleased. I tend to get {somewhat} annoyed by some of the shipping costs though. Hey, lets all smile and get along!! Rick{bass-flyer}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7204	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: #282 Loco

I have my oringinal 282 loco from my youth, {hey, I'm not that old, it was bought used in '62}. I Had it serviced a couple of years ago and then a rewire job. I can't get the speed out of it like my other pacifics, {a 21085 & a 356}. Have to crank the power way up! I replaced the brushes again, power picked up slightly. I've tried other tricks that I've read about. I can say that the rewire job isn't right. Headlight and smoke only works in forward, and it smokes a lot!! I was told that maybe to much current is going to the smoker. Looking at the wires and looking at the specs in my book, the wires are for sure wrong! Even on the bench, RPM's are higher in reverse, slow in forward. It has stored for almost 15 years before I had a guy work on it. It ran good but can't remember HOW good before he rewired it. He serviced it first and after a few months did a rewire job on it. Any suggestions??? Its a smooth runner but it seems I shouldn't have to max out the transformer. Oh, it seemed to run slower and slower. Thats when I put new brushes in. I bought my 356 a year ago and have never changed the brushes and it really flys!! Thanks a lot!! Rick{bass-flyer}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7205	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: The Great EBay Flame War....

Hullo, all: I'll be keeping my head down for a little while. I thought this was a forum for discussing S Gauge trains, not a forum for flame wars about EBay :-) Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes once said, in a famous decision, in effect, that "free speech does not give one the right to shout out 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater" :-)...the point being that while it is permissible to say anything in public, the context may make some speech inappropriate for the forum. In other words, when are we getting back to discussing trains? :-) That's my humble opinion.... Frederick P. Kopetz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7206	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Reply to Marc McCarron - Digest Number 534

At first I didn't believe that you deserved a reply to your most childish comments. Then I saw your comments to Tom Jarcho and felt compelled to reply. In my personal opinion, Mr. McCarron, you are obviously one of the largest A**HOLES I have ever had the pleasure not to meet (and hope to never do). I'm sure at the very least, you owe an apology to Tom. I was NOT whining about anything. I use ebay as a means to obtain items that otherwise aren't available here in a land of few train shows. I have played the sniping game, I sometimes win, I sometimes lose, and other times I have been sniped myself. No big deal. I may have even paid too much for a couple of items because I really wanted them and hadn't otherwise been able to find them. I even had a couple of people on this group ask me why I did. Unfortunately, ebay is NOT a way to cut out the middle man, the dealer. If you paid any attention at all, you can see "the majority" of sellers in the AF section ARE dealers, some specifically in trains, some toys, or some antiques and other collectibles. Mr. McCarron, as "an ebay seller", you must use ebay prices as a price guide and bible to "actual values." As an example, I just last week purchased a 314AW in the same, if not better, condition as the one listed on ebay from a well known and reputable mail order dealer for $225. It did not have the control box, but the control box is not worth another $235, either. I have seen a couple of the control boxes at train shows in the range of $50-75, but didn't buy them as I didn't have a 314 at the time. If you bothered to even check the Greenberg price guide, they only list the 314AW in excellent condition to be valued at $280. Sure, Greenberg's is not always right, but it is fairly close most of the time if people honestly grade their items. Unfortunately, too many people feel that ebay prices are the real guide to the value of many things, not just trains. I have too many times run into people that if you ask them to come down a bit on their price, they just reply that they could get more than that on ebay. That's their opinion and right, but they also didn't make a sale, either. Tom was about right in his opinion of why I posted my original message. I was really curious about why someone would pay those prices for items obviously worth much less in most cases. If a person has the financial means, he has the right to do as he pleases with it as long as it isn't illegal or hurts someone else. I really could care less if the guy pays too much for some things. Myself, part of my enjoyment in the hobby is fixing things that are sometimes hopeless basket cases. I know if I had fairly unlimited cash reserves, I would still do this to some extent, but also wouldn't be spending huge sums on it. Instead, I would be making most of my purchases in E+ or better items and enough restorable stuff to keep me busy. And I did mention that at first I thought this guy might be a shill buyer, but after checking found this didn't appear to be the case. Sometimes people just get curious as to why other people do the things they do. I have let this go on too long. Mr. McCarron, don't bother with a reply to this as I won't take the giant leap down to your level of ignorance to debate you. I sincerely apologize to the group for the length and for having to put up with the rantings of a couple of loud-mouthed crazies. Tom, I am also sorry that you had to take the abuse you did for what I thought was a legitimate question. I guess from now on I will keep the wanderings of my mind to myself and not bother the hyperactive children anymore. Roger Petrella

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7207	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Loud mouths

Freedom of speech. To bad some people do not know what that means. It means the delete key if you see some thing you do not like. I use it a whole lot but would never ask them to stop. Larry cbtrainnut@... wrote: > From: cbtrainnut@... > > Tom Jarcho Wrote"I intensely dislike seeing macho bullshit on s-list, whether > it's about: > "whiners" , large radius curves , or whatever." > I've been sitting back a while while certain people rant and rave about how > smart they are. I prefer these people go elsewhere also. Thanks Tom! I have > to agree with you whole heartedly! > Chris Burger > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/911/0/_/_/_/951021952/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7208	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Re: Is it time to moderate?

The real key to this problem is called " the Delete Key" I do not like a lot of this stuff but when I see what it is I delete it. Larry michael prell wrote: > From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > > Ladies and gentlemen! Children of all ages!! has the > time come when Mr. York should consider moderating > this board in the manner that the folks at TCA have > been practicing? God, but I would hate to see that > happen. Come ON, people! Let's not ruin a very good > thing. If you've got personal gripes, it wouldn't be > hard to address your issues on a personal level by > using direct e-mail. Please don't clutter this site > with garbage. Please! > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > WANT FREE MAGAZINES? > Sample over 500 magazines in 30 categories-- all for FREE at > FreeShop.com, your source for thousands of free and trial offers! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1610/0/_/_/_/951016939/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7209	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: #282 loco

Rick: if your loco only smokes and lights in one direction, then yes, it is miswired. Flyer steamers of that vintage were wired in one of two ways: either 4 or 5 wires were used between loco and tender. The 4 wire system came first. Then it was changed to the 5 wire system to give better power to the smoke unit & headlight. In the 4 wire system the pins & plugs on the panel go from left to right: brush, field, brush, field, or the reverse. The smoke unit was connected to both brushes. Brushes and fields are interchangeable as to left and right. in the 5 wire system the panel points go brush, field, field brush. The leftmost brush is always connected to the front tender truck. This is marked by a sloppy dot of red paint on both plug and panel, although it's sometimes hard to see. In the 5 wire system one terminal of the smoke unit and headlight are connected to this brush too. Therefore, the brush connections are not interchangeable. The 5th wire, spearate from the 4 wire harness, goes from the tender to a rivet on the socket panel above the 4 sockets, The other ends of the smoke unit and headlight are connected to this rivet. Inside the tender, the fifth wire is connected to the rear tender truck. As you can see, in the 4 wire system power to the smoke unit ran through the motor. In the 5 wire system the smoke unit had power independent of the motor. Mixing up the 2 systems leads to the result you have on your loco of smoking in only one direction. Now, the miswiring may or may not cause the uneven motor performance problem. I can't tell without seeing the loco. However, there are usually four possible causes for a loco running better in reverse than in forward, aside from miswiring. The cast in order of appearance is: 1. The 2 brushes and brush springs must be equal. One brush spring may be longer than the other. They must be the same length and produce the same tension. Sometimes one spring gets damaged or gives up the ghost during operation. Or, one brush may be longer than the other due to uneven wear. Replace uneven brushes and springs. 2. Wear on the commutator may cause the problem. Specifically if you notice eliptical wear marks on one side (the same side) of each slot in the commutator, that will be what is causing the loco to run worse in forward. You may have to wipe off the commutator to see this. If you find this wear, you have to sand it out. To do this, drill a hole in a block of scrap wood to accommodate the short end of the armature shaft. Get some #400 and #600 sandpaper, cut it into strips about 1 inch wide. Punch holes in the center of the strip every inch or so with a paper punch. Stick the short end of the armature shaft thru one of the holes in the sandpaper with the abrasive surface facing the commutator plates,and on into the hole in the wood block. Push down and turn the armature with your fingers. What this will do is sand the commutator down to a flat surface. As the paper gets clogged with residue, switch to another hole. Use the #400 paper first and the #600 to give a smooth finish once the pits are out of the commutator. If the damage is really deep, start with #280 or #320 sandpaper or it will take you all night to sand out the pits. Another name for this procedure is "trueing up" the commutator. \ 3. Improper placement of thrust washers, the washers on the armature shaft, can cause the problem too. There should be 1 or 2 thicker washers (PA10766) on the front (long) end of the armature shaft, and one very thin thrust washer (W1A92) on the rear end of the shaft. This thin washer is not shown on all but one of the Glibert factory drawings, but it should be there anyway. It IS shown on the factory drawing of the #307 loco. Without it, the bearing in the brush housing tends to cut into the oil slinger on the back of the armature shaft so that the armature rides too far back towards the brushes, causing additional friction and a loss of power in the forward direction. Adding this washer, which is often lost, will hold the armature in its proper location, because the washer is wider than the area of wear. 4. If none of the above work, a partially burnt out armature can also cause the loco to run better in reverse than in forward. Although no one on this list has been able to explain it, it happens. In this case, you have to replace or rewind the armature. i suggest buying a replacement. If you send me your address off list, i will (eventually) send you a copy of a diagram Macon Short and I published in S Gaugian magazine that shows all the various ways Flyer steam locos were wired. Arrrrgggghhh, enough already! Good luck with it. It's a good loco. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7210	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7211	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7212	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7213	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7214	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7215	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7216	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7217	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7218	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Hi John O Thanks for the info. Ordered four more SWS cars. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7219	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: whining, E Bay, etc.

You know ? Sometimes, it's quite amusing what people get all riled up over on here. I hope you all continue to argue, flame each other, etc. It adds some comedy to the list. It doesn't bother me if you want to argue about ebay, prices, whining, or whatever. If I don't like it, I just move on to the next post. A good argument stimulates thought. I would try to leave the personal insults out though. We all have opinions and some are more adamant than others about their opinions. GO FOR IT !! I really enjoy this list for the repair tips and discussion about the industry, but a good argument every now and then brings a few more people out of the corners as they participate. Personally, I like it. I would suggest we not send profanity though as there may be some minors on board. Now, everyone go to their corner and when you hear the bell, come out typing. And remember, no hitting below the belt. :-) BING BING !!!! Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7220	From: jsbmlb@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: sunday chat

Paul: A question on tonights chat? When we get on yahoo, You will create the room and we look for a friend "Paul_w_Yorke" Is this correct? Hope to see you tonight! Mike Berus

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7221	From: gunrjoe@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 535

As a recent newcomer to s-gauge (after 35years) I thought that onelist would be an exciting and valuable asset in helping me learn what I need to know about S-gauge. I am disappointed that the forum is beginning to become so dirtied. Are we all losing sight of the fact that we are entrusted with the legacy of AC Gilbert? I am an operator, but I recognize that collectors also have a legitimate nich in preserving some of the equipment in pristine condition, but do admit to dissapointment when I find that equipment I want is priced way beyond a legitmate value. My personal choice is that while I could afford to pay the higher price I feel more comfortable using my discretionary assets to feed a hungary child and in gerneral leave this a better world for my children and future generations. This forum does seem to be appropriate for short crticism. I had to learn about on-line auctions myself. This is certainly not a forum for lengthy attacks and counter-attacks. Some of you seemed confused as to the difference between critcism and an attack. I hope all involved would be able to do some honest introspection and relaize that they are in fact dishonoring the legacy of AC Gilbert. Lets focus more this legacy than on ourselves.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7222	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 533

In a message dated 2/18/00 4:35:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:53:22 -0500 > From: "Novak, William" <wjnovak@...> > Subject: RE: Digest Number 531 > > Subject: MTH Transformer Problem > > Robert, > You mention that "the trains run better than ever" with your MTH > transformer. Can you describe what you mean by "better" as compared to > running with AF transformers. I'll be setting up a new major layout in > the coming year and one thing being considered is a change in power > sources. > > Bill Novak > > Sure Bill. For one thing, starting and stopping seems much more controlled. I'm not very technical, but I have more gradations of "slow" than I had before. Plus, even with my 18B, I never had this much headroom on power. There also seems to be a consistency to the reverse sequencing that was lacking before. Even the motors themselves seem to run more quietly. That's why this track based operating accessory problem is so annoying. Everything else about this transformer has been great. I'm eager to add the wireless remote. Robert E.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7223	From: Fred Alles	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Baggage Smasher roof

I recently got a #789 Baggage Smasher without the correct roof. I am looking for a repro (or if lucky an origonal?). I checked with Doug Peak and he doesn't have one. Anyone have one or know where I might get one at a reasonable price? Thanks Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7224	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof

Not having had one to inspect carefully, I may be all wrong on this, but isn't the station the same as the Plasticville suburban station? That would make a roof fairly easy to find. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7225	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Building an S gauge auto carrier

Greetings all, I have finally done it. I was at a local train show and bought a couple L auto carriers to convert to S gauge. Since they are both in bad shape I had no problem slicing and dicing the cars apart. The three deck may end up a bi-level but so what:) I spent most of yesterday evening measuring, cutting and glueing to construct as close to S scale as possible, about 16 1/2 inches for an 89 foot car. I've got the deck almost done. So, I'll pick up some sand paper and retrive a couple of files for the folks today and do a little mre work on it today. My only concern is that the car may be too long to run on my S-Helper loop ie wont make the curves but I'll find out in a couple of weeks. Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7226	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: #282 Loco---Tom Jarcho's reply---

Thanks Tom for the info. I guess the first thing to do is get in there and get the wires in the right places! It looks to me {according to the wiring diagram I have}, that just two wires need to be switched. I printed out your tips, so by process of elimination, hopefully get to the bottom of this! Thanks a lot for your reply and time!! Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7227	From: Scott Griggs	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: SHS Santa Fe SW-9

In an earlier message, a member wrote that he was interested in an SHS SW-9 in Santa Fe blue and yellow. I saw one today at a train show in Ypsilanti, Michigan. The dealer selling it was Thomas Hawley of Michigan Models in Lansing. Neal, if you're interested, contact me offline and I'll give you his information. (I would have contacted you directly, but I read the S-List Archives and it automatically masked part of your e-mail address). Scott Griggs sgriggs@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7228	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AM Heavyweights

I, too, had a problem with the AM heavy weights. For one thing, how come most of them don't have car numbers on the sides? I never saw real cars in revenue service without numbers on them. The big problem was with the 6 wheel trucks and AF standard curves--the cars wouldn't stay on the track. I tried removing the center axles but that didn't work; I tried removing the outside axles but that didn't work either, so then I tried the same idea AF used on their long-truck post war Pullmans of making the inside axle wheels without flanges. (I didn't have spare blind-flange wheels so I just removed the inside axle and wheel sets.) The cars seem to run quite well this way. The two cars I have with six wheel trucks are the baggage and RPO of a six car New York Central set with four wheel trucks on the other cars. As an experiment, I tried placing the baggage and RPO as the two lead cars right behind the engine, and then shoving the entire consist around the layout a number of times including through the curved sides of switches. It reliably stayed ON the track. Anyone else try this? Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7229	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AMEN, Roger.

Remember, if you buy at an auction YOU set the price. As for complaints and gripes about prices, they have no place on this forum. We are talking S-gauge trains here, whether ACG, Lionel (Flyer), or other tinplate, high-rail, or scale. We cannot control what someone else is willing to pay for anything at auction. Thanks for your comments, Roger. W. Thomas Boussum Message: 9 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:15:22 -0800 From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> Subject: E-bay I wonder how many of us wish there was a special forum for those that want to talk about E-bay "S" train related topics. I would would not miss it if E-bay was never mentioned again. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7230	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof

In a message dated 2/20/00 11:23:49 AM, falles@... writes: << I recently got a #789 Baggage Smasher without the correct roof. I am looking for a repro (or if lucky an origonal?). I checked with Doug Peak and he doesn't have one. Anyone have one or know where I might get one at a reasonable price? >> To my knowledge, the roof to the (23)788 and (23)789, and 23786 is not repro'd. Other than finding a roof by its lonesome, which is not likely because they break easily, find a so-so sample of the No. 788 or No. 23788 suburban station. This station is the same thing physically without Billy and a great deal cheaper. Because Billy is reasonably pricy these days, the sacrificial purchase of the 788 may be a worthwhile course of action. BTW, the Plasticville suburban station roof is too small to used as a replacement, regrettably. An alternative to the above suggestion would be to scratch build a nice green shingled roof and use it while playing with Billy until an original is found. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7231	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

Actually, I missed the boat on this one, I didn't get a crack at either the cafe car or the two sleepers, mainly because I couldn't find out if they fit any of my prototype road's cars. I think the 10-section car may be closest, but that aisle windows are doubles or singles, or something like that. As I mentioned the other day, we may need to bring back the old SSLS trucks. DJE-KCMO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7232	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

I have always understood that as long as the wheels can slip on the rails when max drawbar pull is reached and the motor does not stall, that you're ok. Is that too simple a deduction? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7233	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

Has anyone tried cutting the coupler and drawbar off the A-M truck, then remounting the drawbar with a swing point just ahead of the truck bolster. Has anyone glued the pins that hold the bolster and sideframe together rather than just pressing them in? Also, has anyone tried mounting a KaDee coupler to an A-M drawbar, or maybe a KaDee coupler to a homemade longer drawbar, but still mounted to the body of the car. On the prototype, the typical drawbar length was 45 or 60 inches. But remember the swing isn't near as much. Rather than trigger a long discussion of drawbar lengths, swing room, etc., I'd like to quickly learn WHAT WORKS?? Thanks Much. DJE-KCMO > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7234	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 20, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7235	From: M.McConnell	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Miswired Steam Engine

I recently fixed a long standing problem with my 336 engine that was caused by mis-wiring, but I'm really embarrased to disclose the fix. . . I had purchased a decent 336 over a year ago, and it is a very good runner - but had one problem. The headlight and smoke unit would only work in neutral, once the engine was placed in forward or reverse, the engine would puff smoke for a few feet, then peter out - and the headlight would be out. I was describing the problem to a few club members last week, and one of 'em pipes up and says "I know what your problem is - you have the tender terminal board plugged in upside down in the engine". Needless to say, when I got home I re-wired my engine in less than a minute. Now it puffs volumes of smoke, and the headlight shines brightly. Tom, it's a shame I didn't read your message before then - I wouldn't have had to do my Homer Simpson impression . . . D'oh Michael >Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:11:36 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... >Subject: #282 loco > >Rick: if your loco only smokes and lights in one direction, then yes, it >is miswired. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7236	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: Baggage Smasher roof

In a message dated 2/20/00 11:23:49 AM, falles@... writes: << I recently got a #789 Baggage Smasher without the correct roof. I am looking for a repro (or if lucky an origonal?). I checked with Doug Peak and he doesn't have one. Anyone have one or know where I might get one at a reasonable price? >> To my knowledge, the roof to the (23)788 and (23)789, and 23786 is not repro'd. Other than finding a roof by its lonesome, which is not likely because they break easily, find a so-so sample of the No. 788 or No. 23788 suburban station. This station is the same thing physically without Billy and a great deal cheaper. Because Billy is reasonably pricy these days, the sacrificial purchase of the 788 may be a worthwhile course of action. BTW, the Plasticville suburban station roof is too small to used as a replacement, regrettably. An alternative to the above suggestion would be to scratch build a nice green shingled roof and use it while playing with Billy until an original is found. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7237	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: SWS and long trains

Yes, John, the DC transformers with momentum from SHS are available without the track sets. The price is $59.95 Don T. P.S. We had 8 SW-1 operating on a 40" X 60" loop using 19" curved track using our transformer for several hours. johnford wrote: > From: johnford <johnford@...> > > Dave Ewing wrote: > > > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > > > All aboard ! > > > Make sense to me. Now, my question to you out there: > > > > Does it harm my SW-9 to pull long trains at very slow speeds? > > Right now I have 12 cars and the engine is doing fine. > > But what about 24 cars? How about 36 cars? > > How many engines will the power pack that came with my ICG starter set handle? > > Dave, > I have found that as long as the motor dosen't stall out or made to lug > at too low of a speed for too long that you're probably all right. Of > couse the neat thing about DC power is that you can just about put as > many powered locos as you can afford together as long as they have > similar motors and gearing. > > > I want to stay with DC that provides the constant lighting to the caboose. > > What larger wattage transformers are available that work the same as the SWS? > > Are the SWS power pack available without the starter sets ? > > While I can't report on the SHS power pack, you only need to know that > no matter how many motors are in use, they are only going to pull as > much power (watts) as they need regardless of the number of motors. > Of course I think diesels need to be in groups of two or more and the > greater number of motors, the less each indivdual motor has to work. > They stay cooler in groups whether the're pull 1 car or 100. > As far as power pack go there are some out there that can put out a > lot. Just be aware that if you're putting a lot of power into the track > that any short can become a big deal. > > > How many cars will two or three SW-9's pull? > > I've been pulling upwards of 25 cars (AM & SHS) with a single SW-9 on > SHS 27" Ra track with no problems. > > > The F-3 has never one of my favorite engines but how many cars will it pull? > > Is there going to be an A-B-A available? With two or three motors? > > Quien sabe? > > "S"incerely, > John O. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shop the web for great deals. Save on Computers, > electronics, Home furnishings and more. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1559/0/_/_/_/951019503/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7238	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

I run my AM heavyweight with Kadees mounted to brass strips that replace the AM plastic couplers. I allowed the coupler to swing about 1/16" each way by making the brass arm narrower than the plastic arm where it is constrained by the truck frame. Brass is easy to bend to adjust height and the cars never derail. The only other mod I made was to make sure the truck didn't hit the center sill by shaving some of the end off the sill. I run both 4 wheel truck cars and the 6 wheel RPO car. ironhors@... wrote: > > From: ironhors@... > > Has anyone tried cutting the coupler and drawbar off the A-M truck, then > remounting the drawbar with a swing point just ahead of the truck bolster. Has > anyone glued the pins that hold the bolster and sideframe together rather than > just pressing them in? > > Also, has anyone tried mounting a KaDee coupler to an A-M drawbar, or maybe a > KaDee coupler to a homemade longer drawbar, but still mounted to the body of the > car. > > On the prototype, the typical drawbar length was 45 or 60 inches. But remember > the swing isn't near as much. Rather than trigger a long discussion of drawbar > lengths, swing room, etc., I'd like to quickly learn WHAT WORKS?? Thanks Much. > DJE-KCMO > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > WANT FREE MAGAZINES? > Sample over 500 magazines in 30 categories-- all for FREE at > FreeShop.com, your source for thousands of free and trial offers! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1610/0/_/_/_/951096361/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7239	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: Re: curse of the heavyweights

> Has anyone tried cutting the coupler and drawbar off the A-M truck, then > remounting the drawbar with a swing point just ahead of the truck bolster. Has > anyone glued the pins that hold the bolster and sideframe together rather than > just pressing them in? > > Also, has anyone tried mounting a KaDee coupler to an A-M drawbar, or maybe a > KaDee coupler to a homemade longer drawbar, but still mounted to the body of the > car. On all my pasenger cars, I use a homemade drawbar with a Kadee. I mount it to pivot on the truck kingpin, just as the bolster does. However, I let it swing independently of the truck motion. First, this concentrates the pulling forces directly over the truck bolster, as opposed to having the body being pulled in a different direction than the truck needs to go. It does this without the twisting force that truck-steered couplers generate. Secondly, this maintains a constant distance between the truck centers of adjacent cars. Couplers that steer with the trucks are actually pulling the cars closer together on curves, which is completely wrong. Pulling at the truck centers with an independent drawbar allows very close coupling. The diapraghms can be almost touching, but the cars will still track properly. The couplers will tend to swing off to the side when backing, but if you provide a smooth buffing surface this is not a problem (assuming you don't back up at 120 mph). Also remember that long cars need to be able to compensate for cross elevation (side to side twisting of the track). The simplest solution is to leave one truck screw loose, so the truck can rock sideways, while leaving the other fairly tight, to keep the body from rocking. A more elegant solution is to use bits of styrene to make side bearings on one bolster only. In effect this gives the car a 3-point suspension which holds it steady while allowing it to compensate for track irregularites. On the AM trucks, I gave up on the pin. A short screw with a washer does the trick. On all AM 4 wheel passenger trucks, make sure that the side frames have enough play to ensure that all wheels always remain on the rails. There's a very narrow margin between having freely equalizing sideframes and having the wheels fall out. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7240	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/20/2000
Subject: AMerican Flyer Stuff for sale

OK, I'm cleaning out the last of my extra flyer stuff. I have a 766 animated station with a 735 passenger car in dark red. $150 The station is very clean but does have a few nicks and scratches, The car is complete but does have some paint bubble problems. I have the following cars: all in very good to Excellent minus condition with a few minor nicks and handling marks but nothing big broken. 942 Silver Meteor $30 24403 IC Refer $25 913 GN Box (decal version) $35 802 IC Refer $25 913 GN Box (decal version) $35 (second one) 24422 GN Green pikemaster refer $20 ( 1 coupler broken) AF/Lionel 6-48711 NP Bay window caboose (new in box) $40 AF/Lionel 6-48482 1993 TCA GN Box (new in box) $70 All the above $400 If you are interested in any of these I can take digital pictures of them and send them to you. I will take offers. You pay shipping or we negotiate. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7241	From: Scott Holm	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail Cars

--- busy-boy <busy-boy@...> wrote: > I took the caboose apart. It was tricky because of the ladder tops. > I used a razor and cut the pins. They were glued in, any other > method would have trashed the car. I've done three of these and was able to gently pry the ladder and railing piece off without breaking any of the pins, using a knife blade and a small precision screw driver. This left the pins on the piece which fit tightly enough to not require any glue when I put the car back together. To get the shell off, a srewdriver pushing against the retaining tab at a 45 degree angle, while holding the shell between the thumb and middle finger and pushing on the porch with the forefinger, did the trick. I used SHS caboose trucks and couplers and lit them with miniature incandescent 18volt bulbs. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7242	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Rivets

Gentlemen, here's a question for you. How do I attach the trucks back to the car bodies? I haven't been able to find a rivet tool or rivets that I can use. I have several cars on my work bench that need riveting so any advice is appreciated. I don't like using a nut and bolt as it is just not the same for me, besides the nut always loosens up. Does anyone know where I can get a riveting tool that works as well a good supplier of rivets? Also, I don't mind any of the sniping at each other that goes on because it deals with the one thing that unites us all, "American Flyer". Whether it be SHS or American Models and yes even scale. To me all "S" gauge is synonymous with American Flyer. So any bickering that does go on is like its all in the family and is basically harmless. Just a bunch of big Kids saying my trains better than yours, neener neener neeeener! Keep it clean and have fun!! Wayne Grinnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7243	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: "S-Auctions" mailing list?

> I wonder how many of us wish there was a special forum for those > that want to talk about E-bay "S" train related topics. Actually, I think the idea above is kind of neat. I am looking for good AF no matter where. A forum where interesting auctions could be pointed out, without offending, might be interesting, as long as it didn't turn into a platform for guys to just push their own auctions. (The one rule should be you can't tout your own auctions!) The S-Scale list broke into a separate list, maybe we could have have one called "S-Auctions" or something. By the way, I love it when someone points out how high someone has bid on eBay for an item; it makes me feel better about several times I got a little carried away! And as someone else says, the <Delete> key works real good, so why not keep it friendly? No need for name calling, we are just collecting toy trains here. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7244	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: S auctions mailing list

Despite the recent fanfarole, badinage, and mortal kombat, the point is this: whatever our particular interests, all of us buy and/or sell trains. Auction trends and prices are relevant to all of us whether or not we ebay. Therefore, I would like to see postings about auctions continue on S-trains. I'd hate to see a separate list just for that. Remember, we are a small minority in a large hobby. Whatever strength we have comes from sticking together and communicating. Diverse subgroups within our areas of interest should be brought together, not split off. And remember -- that delete button cures a great variety of ills. Tom jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7245	From: Bill Porter	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: "S-Auctions" mailing list?

Hi Ya'll, Chuck makes all good points. I don't entirely agree with one of them even though the thought is basically good. I would prefer to see less fragmentation of the lists. I now get both the s-trains and s-scale lists. I guess the proto and modern proto subjects get dealt with elsewhere so I miss some worthwhile commentary. My choice would be to keep all S together, to encourage use of the subject line and for everyone to put their names on every communiqu�. Later, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington <paketpet@...> Cc: S-trains <s-trains@onelist.com> Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] "S-Auctions" mailing list? >From: Chuck Harrington <paketpet@...> > >> I wonder how many of us wish there was a special forum for those >> that want to talk about E-bay "S" train related topics. > >Actually, I think the idea above is kind of neat. I am looking for good >AF no matter where. A forum where interesting auctions could be pointed >out, without offending, might be interesting, as long as it didn't turn >into a platform for guys to just push their own auctions. (The one rule >should be you can't tout your own auctions!) The S-Scale list broke >into a separate list, maybe we could have have one called "S-Auctions" >or something. > >By the way, I love it when someone points out how high someone has bid >on eBay for an item; it makes me feel better about several times I got a >little carried away! > >And as someone else says, the <Delete> key works real good, so why not >keep it friendly? No need for name calling, we are just collecting toy >trains here. :-) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7246	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: 19B & 645A fences

Does anyone know what the going price is for a 19B transformer? Also, where can I buy one? It seems that most collectors don't sell them. Also, does anyone make replacement "fences" for my 645A work caboose/boom car? Paul Schneider __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7247	From: James Wysopal	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: light bulbs again

I asked this last week and got two responses. How does one remove and install light bulbs into boiler fronts? Surely, some of you have this problem and have come up with ingenious solutions. Also, I wish that person with the big bucks would bid on my parts auctions. It does amaze me at what parts and trains go for. I wish I had more duplicates to sell, I could retire then. I do not mind the disagreeing with each other over various topics (ebay!). Just keep it decent and civil. It adds spice to dull discussions of light bulb replacement! Again, thanks for your help. Jim [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7248	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: light bulbs again

James: I use a curved surgical forceps to change boiler front light bulbs. I grasp the bulb just below the glass with it. Radio Shack sells a similar one; the number is 64-1866. $4.99. Handy for lots of things. One of the tools I use the most. Your bulbs may be glued in by excess smoke fluid. Try squirting a tiny amount of WD-40 or contact cleaner into the joint first, and give it a minute to work.. Beware that the socket assemblies are only held in place by a little peened down white metal and can break out easily. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7249	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer

Perhaps to you "all S gauge is synonymous with American Flyer," but to some of us there's no such thing as "S gauge" except as a widely-misused shorthand term for "standard gauge in S scale." You reduce your own contention to absurdity by stating that even SHS, American Models and scale models are synonymous with Flyer. If true, this would be a great susprise to many, including A.C. Gilbert, who used to have "S Scale" printed on his train-set boxes. Flyer is quite obviously not "the one thing that unites us all." What unites us is S scale, which existed before Gilbert and lives on despite his departure. What tends to divide us is statements like yours, which cause narrow-gaugers (and others) to wonder not only whether they belong in the same information loop as you but also where you really belong. Joe Pereira Flyer. email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7250	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Misc.

Hi Guy"S"; I suppose if someone had a bad experience with someone (S-train related) we should be notified. Perhaps there should be some kind of complaint form available (easily accessible) we could use. I don't realy want to see those things. However could it save me from dealing with someone undesireable to do business with Perhaps there should be some kind of rating system of suppliers and their items. Some suppliers are real real nice but do not know they sell junk. This due to lack of experience, or exposure to quality items. I met one of these guys. Not all items from any given supplier are top quality. But some come close. Real close in some cases. Anyway, on to something else; Here is a way to make a bulb remover. First lightly grease up a bulb. (Preferably slightly smaller than the one to remove) Then apply silicone ( the kind used to seal windows or adhere items ) shove a stick into the silocone and build the silicone up around the stick. Allow this to set until the silicone is dry. Remove and clean grease off silicone . You now have a suction cup with a stick sticking out of it. The cup should grab the light bulb to be removed. Once and a great while a bulb could be locked in by oxidation. (rare) This might require breaking the glass (carefully please) and removing the base with long nose pliers (If possible). In some cases it might require removing the entire socket by drilling out the rivet holding it in. Hopefully not. Swing and away the "S" guage way. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7251	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: eBay mystery buyer

Hi All, For those who are interested, if not delete now. It's a She!!! Her name in Brenda and she just won my ebay Parts Lot last night. She spend a lot, but another person was right there with her. She said she just love putting them back together and seeing them run. So Guys, if you got some parts you don't want drop her a line. She's nice!! Let me go so I can more parts, George P.S. Thanks Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7252	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: 19B & 645A fences

I'd like to know that also--I have one, don't plan to sell it, but my estate will have to deal with it someday. This is the one that I have the variac ahead and 5 amp rectifier behind to get the power pack I had on the last layout and will probably use again if I ever get this one built. DJE Paul D. Schneider wrote: > From: "Paul D. Schneider" <fasttrack2000@...> > > Does anyone know what the going price is for a 19B > transformer? Also, where can I buy one? It seems that > most collectors don't sell them. > > Also, does anyone make replacement "fences" for my > 645A work caboose/boom car? > > Paul Schneider > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/967/0/_/_/_/951167648/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7253	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer

Experienced guy"S" in "S" guage know standard guage and "S" guage have nothing in common, In regards to size. Standard guage trains are large scale trains, like LGB. "S" in reference to 3/16 scale means "S"upreme trains ;o) How about "S"pecial Trains ? "S"uper Trains ? The "Special "S"uper trains with "Supreme quality :o) Developed with "S"upreme effort by the "S"uppliers. Roger HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa/ > From: sigma@... > > Perhaps to you "all S gauge is synonymous with American Flyer," but to > some of us there's no such thing as "S gauge" except as a > widely-misused shorthand term for "standard gauge in S scale."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7254	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Time to return to civility, Please!!

Hello All, On of the peculiarities of this form of communicating, is that it is, by its very nature, impersonal. You do not get to "read" the poster's "slant" on his/her words, there's no smile or twinkle-in-the-eye to give you a clue that what is being said isn't exactly what is meant! Therefore, we (all of us) must be careful to step back and re-read what someone has posted, if it disturbs us, and then to step back again, and re-think whatever we have responded. I have been quiet for most of this "flaming" discussion, as I figured it would fade away. Unfortunately, it seems to be growing, and two recent posts by long-term members shows they have even been "touched" by the infection. It would be nicer to say, "Well, you may think so, but I disagree, I believe. . . ." instead of "YOU"RE WRONG!!" For instance a recent reply to the mention that AF is/was (???) Standard Gauge in S stated that Standard Gauge was large scale, like LGB. Well, this is either, a)confusion of the original post's discussion of 4'-8-1/2" prototype gauge modeling as different from narrow gauge modelling; or b) a good bit of humor on the poster's behalf. Used to be that, on this list at least, the next post would inquire as to what the real meaning is, not a flaming about not knowing terminology. Let us return to that level of kindness, OK? After all, S scale is what it is to each of us, no two of us see it identically, some want real bolts on their rail jointers, others just want the trains to go. We are all, in our own ways, having fun with trains--even the person who is over-paying for stuff on eBay (and yes, I'm jealous that I can't!). Let us leave the divorce and slander lawyers behind, and remember that we all seem to like the same thing, and seem to be a pretty good bunch, we'll just have to live with our differences! I think I'm rambling, back to trains! S'incerely, David Dewey Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7255	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Clamshells

Gentlemen, My newly acquired 752 Seaboard (which I mentioned 2 Yahoo chats ago) is having a weird problem. When de-energized the solenoid plunger all but falls out of the solenoid. The bottom edges of the clamshells form a horizontal line. From pictures I've seen (no closeups) it would appear that the two halves should form about a 150 degree angle with the outside edges of the halves being about vertical. I was missing one of the four corner wire braces, but have since formed a new one out of wire the same diameter and shape. I can't see that anything else is missing or damaged. The way the coil and top end pieces are riveted I'm pretty sure all is O.K. there. So I took some 0.030 x1/4" brass stock and cut two pieces 1/2" long. I superglued one to the top edge of each clamshell half. 1/4" is glued to the center top edge and the other 1/4" extends out toward the plunger. Now when de-energized the brass stock hits the plunger on opposite sides and the plunger can't drop any farther because the clamshells can't open any farther. I guess I'll paint my brass 'tabs' flat black or use a chemical blackener on them. Can anyone provide any insight on how this assembly is (was) supposed to work? Thanks in advance, Don P.S. The 785 assembly is different. It doesn't use the 4 wire braces. It has two straps that hang down from the top of the assembly and the clamshells pivot differently.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7256	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/21/2000
Subject: Re: Rivets

I often use a screw and nut but glue the nut (5 minute epoxy works well) to the screw after adjusting play. Much easier than riveting. Wayne Grinnell wrote: > > From: Wayne Grinnell <pugeasy@...> > > Gentlemen, here's a question for you. How do I attach the trucks back to the car bodies? I haven't been able to find a rivet tool or rivets that I can use. I have several cars on my work bench that need riveting so any advice is appreciated. I don't like using a nut and bolt as it is just not the same for me, besides the nut always loosens up. Does anyone know where I can get a riveting tool that works as well a good supplier of rivets? > Also, I don't mind any of the sniping at each other that goes on because it deals with the one thing that unites us all, "American Flyer". Whether it be SHS or American Models and yes even scale. To me all "S" gauge is synonymous with American Flyer. So any bickering that does go on is like its all in the family and is basically harmless. Just a bunch of big Kids saying my trains better than yours, neener neener neeeener! Keep it clean and have fun!! Wayne Grinnell > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/911/0/_/_/_/951154553/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Check FAQs at http://www.S-Trains.com/FAQ/FAQ.htm > List info at http://www.S-Trains.com/list/smail.htm -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7257	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Reading old digests

Hi all, Being new here, I've been trying to catch up on all the old posts. Still have about 500 to go!!! Really have enjoyed the site and the Sunday nite chat room. Not many S-gaugers in my area, not counting me, I think there is one! {that I know of}. Usually have to drive two or three hours to any decent train shows that offer Flyer!! {on my budget, can't afford to go farther and as often as I'd like!} I've gotten guite of few things off of eBay {sorry anti eBay folks!} The point being, I enjoy getting tips from S-trains and hope to learn more and share what I can. Take care....I gotta get back to reading. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7258	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 537

In a message dated 02/22/2000 4:39:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Flyer is quite obviously not "the one thing that unites us all." What unites us is S scale, which existed before Gilbert and lives on despite his departure. What tends to divide us is statements like yours, which cause narrow-gaugers (and others) to wonder not only whether they belong in the same information loop as you but also where you really belong. Joe Pereira >> JOE, don't you think your taking this a little too far? One thing I do like about this forum is that it isn't too politically correct, lets keep it that way. We all know what the intent of the comment was - and it wasn't to disclude anyone, was it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7259	From: finerty, paul	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: 752 coaler

Don, I have just the opposite problem with the clamshell solenoid. On mine, the plunger often sticks inside the solenoid somewhat when the coil is de-energized. I've tried lubricating the pivot points, and the plunger looks clean and smooth, but it still wants to get held up a bit inside the coil much of the time. I've taken to attaching a small lead weight to the bottom of the plunger to give it a little help gravity wise and now the clamshell opens up to about the angle you were mentioning. Now, if we could average the action of yours and mine, we'd be all set....... Wayne, In reference to the re-attaching of trucks to car chassis, the rivets are available from both Portlines Hobby and Leventon's Hobby supply and they also sell the setting tool, which works pretty well. Portlines has a hammerless rivet tool that is supposed to work great but I haven't tried that. I have also used the screw and nut method on a car or two so I can quickly change from a link coupler to knuckle coupler but I use a drop of hot glue instead of epoxy to prevent the nut from backing off. When you want to change the truck the hot glue can be peeled off easily and you just put a new drop on when you put the nut back. Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7260	From: michael prell	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 537

Why in the heck is it that confect has to exist even here among train lovers? S or 3/16. scale or tin plate. come ON, people! We say that we want our kids and grandkids to learn from us, about our hobby, our fascination for all things railroad, then we turn around and act as though our interest or opinion is the only one that counts, and we show these same kids how not to act toward fellow train enthusiasts! When I first discovered this site, I thought, "Wow! flyer people. This is neat. since then I've learned quite a lot about other s-gauge stuff through contributors to this site. A lot of the stuff I'll probably never use, but that's ok. The impressive thing is the fact that this site allows us to share ideas and information. Please! For God's and Casy Jones' sake, let's not loose track of what we've got! --- afstrains@... wrote: > In a message dated 02/22/2000 4:39:38 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > > << Flyer is quite obviously not "the one thing that > unites us all." What > unites us is S scale, which existed before Gilbert > and lives on despite > his departure. > What tends to divide us is statements like yours, > which cause > narrow-gaugers (and others) to wonder not only > whether they belong in > the same information loop as you but also where you > really belong. > Joe Pereira >> > > JOE, don't you think your taking this a little too > far? One thing I do like > about this forum is that it isn't too politically > correct, lets keep it that > way. We all know what the intent of the comment was > - and it wasn't to > disclude anyone, was it. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7261	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: "Fire in the Hole!"

Reading an older post, it was mentioned to squirt alittle WD-40 down the smoker tube to de-gunk a wick. I use TV tuner cleaner, it's non-flammable. Is WD-40 SAFE to use??? I've been told NOT to use any thing flammable. Rick........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7262	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: S-Trains: rivets

Wayne-- We carry all the rivets needed for AF repairs, as well as rivet tools. The least expensive tool is $9.50. You use it with a hammer. Works fine, although sometimes you feel you need a third hand. We also carry the Brakeman's Riveter, which is a hammerless tool. It is superb, but also more expensive. Worthwhile if you expect to make a lot of use of it, however. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7263	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: S-Trains: 645 fences

645 yellow fences are available; $3.50 per pair. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7264	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: "Fire in the Hole!"

Hmm, "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!" Fooooomph!!! "Way cool dad!! Do it again!!!" Rick may have a valid point, although it hasn't happened to me YET! I did have some tuner cleaner flame up on a running armature once though! S' David "no eyebrows" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7265	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: light bulbs again & again

James, Getting the steam engine bulbs out that are attached to the boiler front can be tough. Try cleaning the glass with alcohol so your thumb and forefinger won't slip. If that doesn't work try needlenose pliers that have knurled inside edges that grip better than smooth ones. Still won't budge? It's burned out for sure? Break the glass! Do I need to add carefully? (You're discarding it anyway, right?) Now those needlenose should be able to get at the base and extract it. If the inside of the holder is oxidized clean it out with a tiny straight ended Dremel wire brush. If the new bulb doesn't want to make contact with the base you can always add a drop of solder to the bottom contact of the bulb. Clean the new bulb with alcohol for a good grip too. And sometimes that last fraction of a turn has to be done with the needlenose. A related tip I passed on earlier was to replace the wires to the headlamp with Superflex wire. The old stiff, brittle wire likes to "push out" the boiler front. Hope I've helped, Don P.S. I love talking ebay. Did anyone see the two original 336 numberboards that went for over $150??? Sheeeeessshhhh!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7266	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: 752 coaler

Paul just a thought about your solenoid. If it were mine I would try to reverse the wires that control that solenoid. I have never seen it work but it seams like it could. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7267	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Lionel catalogue

Does anyone want a 1952 Lionel catalogue in good+ condition? I'll trade for any Flyer gondola in black plastic. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7268	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest listing

Paul: I have something I'd like added to the Fall S Fest event listing. Maybe you could update: Add - http://www.trainweb.org/bsg. Of course, this is an ORG site thru trainweb, but you didn't have it last time. Do you put this on your own site or just a link? Jeff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7269	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: (no subject)

fire! fire! I sprayed tuner cleaner on my sawmill while the engine was running and lit the whole thing on fire. The fire was short lived and nothing was damaged. My child thought it was very cool and asked me to repeat the process. I declined. I have used tuner cleaner that was non flammable, it is available at auto parts stores and goes for approx. $9.00. (expensive stuff). WD-40 sounds like a bad idea.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7270	From: J. Row	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Lubes and Cleaners

It's been interesting noting the comments re: the use of various materials for re-vitalizing the wicks in smoke units, loosening bulbs in smokebox fronts, etc. A couple of words that may be of interest to the "curious" "S"ers out there. 1) If "it" comes in a spray can it's extremely likely that at least part of the spray coming out is flammable. Most propellents in aerosol pressure cans today are "liquified petroleum gas" (LPG). These are usually (not always, but usually) either propane or butane, both of which burn well (really really well!) and will ignite at fairly low temperatures. So - - if you spray your chosen "fix" onto a sparking motor or relay, you'll likely see the results of a rapid combining of hydrocarbon (from your spray can) and oxygen (from the air) lit off by the spark from your beloved toy! Poof, whoosh! Now the hair on the backs of your hands stinks! Be sure to protect your eyes when doing these daring scientific demonstrations. 2) Many of the chemicals that do the cleaning, dissolving, softening, penetrating, etc, are also combustible (they burn). Unlike the gas that "blows" the stuff out of the can (which burns with a "poof, whoosh" then goes out, the liquid will sit there on your toy and burn and burn. So, again be careful. 3) One more word of hard earned wisdom (based on hard earned, costly experience): Many of the "Tuner Cleaners" contain a lubricant made to lubricate the wipers on the older style TV tuners. This is good. The lubricant also serves to protect the metal contacts from corrosion. These materials are not powerful anticorrosives but they do offer some protection. However, your plastic or painted toy treasure may not like the addition of an oily material to their aged surface. They will respond by soaking the oil up like a sponge then showing a nearly un-removeable darkened, sometimes shiny, spot. Go ahead. Do it your way. If it works for you, it is right for you. I did it my way and it was sometimes right and sometimes wrong. Here is hoping you can learn from my mistakes and hard earned education. May you all experience the best "S" of your life with or without WD-40! Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7271	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: contact cleaners

Some of the confusion about contact cleaners may be due to the fact that they were reformulated a few years ago.. At the time Tom Barker wrote his book, contact cleaners were not flammable. They contained a class of chemicals which I believe are called Chlorofluorocarbons or something close to that. These chemicals are blamed for the reduction of the ozone layer in the upper atmosphere. International traeties were signed limiting production and use of these products. They were subsequently removed from the market in the US to a large extent. There are no good replacements for them at this time. The most effective substitutes are flammable. I don't know what is available in specialty stores, but this applies to those sold in hardware stores and Radio Shack. The substitute cleaners are also gummier. It's a good idea to blow off the excess when you use them, either with your breath or a compressed air source such as an airbrush. Mark, 10 years ago if you had sprayed contact cleaner into your sawmill, nothing would have happened. Now you have to be careful to turn off power to whatever you're working on before you use contact cleaner. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7272	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: New photos added at..........

Tonight I added some new photos at http://MoPac.Railfan.net/ just look for the "new" icon next to the photo. here are a few I uploaded: bkty 3 bay covered hopper cgw 2 bay covered hopper clsx 2 bay covered hopper cnw 3 bay covered hopper cnw 4 bay cylindrical hopper 2 cnw (up) coil cars 2 cnw 60' auto parts cars mp 86' auto parts car mp 3 bay covered hopper sp 60' auto parts car ssw 60' auto parts car up 86' auto parts car -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7273	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: Re: MTH 785 Coal Loader

After several email attempts, I finally received a reply from MTH customer service that didn't say "we have no plans at this time to produce S gauge items". The word on the 785 loader is that it will be available to order from your local MTH dealer (they didn't say when). But more importantly to many of us, the clamshell/bucket assembly will NOT be offered for sale as a separate repair part. My guess is they want you to buy a new 785 from them rather than fix the old Flyer stuff. $150 isn't too bad for the loader, but I think that may be a bit much just for the clamshell assembly. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7274	From: Don Abrams	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: 752 coaler

Paul, Does your 752 have two brass weights on the horizontal pin that the solenoid plunger attaches too? The brass weights also serve to 'center' the plunger under the solenoid. Since my plunger could come completely out due to a missing support rod on one corner, I cleaned the bore out -- it was oxidized, a possible cause of your plunger binding. I also applied a thin film of Deoxit to the bore. I had a reply off list to my 'opening too far' problem. I may be missing a piece. I can't find a photo or exploded view of this early clamshell version to confirm this. My 'tab on the clamshells' fix seems to do the trick. I just need to paint that unsightly brass stock black. Thanks for the input, Don P.S. I still say MTH could sell 100's of clamshells at about $100 a pop if he makes extras on his run of repro 785s. And I really don't think that doing that would lessen his sales of the complete accessory.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7275	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: contact cleaners

To S-list: I have used one of the newer tuner cleaners to clean the reverse units in tenders on several engines while they were working. I took the tender apart and hooked up a transformer with alligator clips to wheel pickups on tender. It seemed to do a good job of cleaning, no problem with fires (lucky??), but as Tom Jarcho did say, it is good to have a few "q" tips available to clean up heavier gunk from either the cleaner or residue on the drum. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7276	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: wicks and tricks

A couple of squirts of tuner cleaner into the stack and an hour or so left idle has turned some of my chokers into smokers. I've also tried WD-40, but did not get results as good. I have become a real fan of 91% isopropyl alcohol as a cleaner over almost everything else (lighter fluid, paint thinner, tuner cleaners, etc.) Nothing flammable down the stack - -turns out IMHO the best smoking flailed (lousy smelling however), aside from LVTS Live Steam S-Gauge fluid (which apparently isn't mfr'd any more), is lamp oil. UltraPure Nonsmoking OdorFree lamp oil smokes up a storm in ACG steamers. I've tried adding cedarwood oil and diluting it with ProtoSmoke to combat the mildly raunchy odor produced, but haven't quite solved that problem yet. However, for outdoor events, or when in the mood for a great, cheap smoke-out, in goes the lamp oil. Holding nuts - - ZapAGap works well too. It's amazing and great fun to share how we've experienced similar things with these trains. I too once cleaned a spinning armature with alcohol and ended up with Pacific flambeau! Nothing damaged, but a big "oh yeah, stupid", running through my mind for an instant. Cleaning the boiler front bulbs for better grip - - been there, done that too. The best part of this list is our exchange of ideas, problems, solutions, dreams, and experiences from playing trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7277	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Fire in the hole--Part 2

My Tuner cleaner came from Radio Shack. It says it's "non-flammable", and safe "on plastics", but I guess one can never be TOO careful!!! Speaking of smoke, another old post I read talked about different smoke fluids to use. Someone said they used a "lionel" brand or somethin' and have since changed fluids, but can't get rid of the old fluid smell! My #356 loco sure has a different smell than my #282!! Are there any other factors to make a smell difference?? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7278	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: wicks and tricks

When ever a bulb gives me a hard time I steel my wife's rubber dish washing gloves and remove a portion for use this as a non-slip tool. Hasn't failed me yet Ken -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... [mailto:david_horn@...] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:26 PM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] wicks and tricks From: david_horn@... A couple of squirts of tuner cleaner into the stack and an hour or so left idle has turned some of my chokers into smokers. I've also tried WD-40, but did not get results as good. I have become a real fan of 91% isopropyl alcohol as a cleaner over almost everything else (lighter fluid, paint thinner, tuner cleaners, etc.) Nothing flammable down the stack - -turns out IMHO the best smoking flailed (lousy smelling however), aside from LVTS Live Steam S-Gauge fluid (which apparently isn't mfr'd any more), is lamp oil. UltraPure Nonsmoking OdorFree lamp oil smokes up a storm in ACG steamers. I've tried adding cedarwood oil and diluting it with ProtoSmoke to combat the mildly raunchy odor produced, but haven't quite solved that problem yet. However, for outdoor events, or when in the mood for a great, cheap smoke-out, in goes the lamp oil. Holding nuts - - ZapAGap works well too. It's amazing and great fun to share how we've experienced similar things with these trains. I too once cleaned a spinning armature with alcohol and ended up with Pacific flambeau! Nothing damaged, but a big "oh yeah, stupid", running through my mind for an instant. Cleaning the boiler front bulbs for better grip - - been there, done that too. The best part of this list is our exchange of ideas, problems, solutions, dreams, and experiences from playing trains. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/915/0/_/_/_/951327151/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7279	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: 752 coaler

Don, RE: MTH Clamshells. I AGREE!!! although $50 would be a better deal, and still make Mikey plenty of money, based on the price of the complete accessory. So--how do we convince Mikey that WE LIKE IT?? Do we do a massive email campaign, or would we be better off to have one of Mikey's larger distributors talk to him about the big need out here. I am 99.9% certain it won't effect his sales at all (of the full accessory). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7280	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re:

AVOID WD-40, guys, I have experienced and seen its tendency to gum up after awhile. Also, the non-petroleum Aero lubes such as were shown at the 1998 NMRA convention in KCMO seem to be a major step of progress over the old oils, etc., we are used to using.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7281	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Fire Stations

This looks like a great source for Fire Stations in 1/64 scale. They even have two types of Airport Fire Stations. They sell the Fire Engines as well. Has any one seen them? www.bfcollectibles.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7282	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/17/2000
Subject: Flat Car Loads

For those asking about sources of prototype flat car info and loads, The December '98 Model Railroading has an article on 53'6" AAR flats. It is probably available from the publisher. Load photos are of industrial tanks, diesel trucks, and wooden boxes. There are also detail shots of several flat cars. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7283	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: No fire, but lotsa noise!

Hi S Gaugers-- Must share this... In 70's bought a smoke/gas detector (still have it). Had elderly person in house who couldn't understand that gas stove knobs can't be slightly cocked "on". Years later, living by myself, mounted same detector in hall off kitchen near half bath. While waiting on coffee brewing, sprayed armpits in bath with "Right-Guard" aerosol spray deodorant every day. Once in a great while, this detector blasts away startling me from my coffee at 6:30 am! Could never understand that for the longest time---thought I had "spirits" in the place. Can't imagine what the neighbors in the townhouse next to me thought! The noise never started until 10-15 minutes after I had used the aerosol, so the mystery continued. One day I figured it out--what a dope? By the way, just read about a case in Nebraska where commercial painter paid the ultimate price for spray-painting in the presence of a pilot light--yes, he's dead. Exhaust a room with a fan and turn it on before you start. Have also tried "Goo Gone" by Magic American Corp. It seems to be "magic" on track goo. I intend to use it to clean all my track. John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7284	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Transformer Problem

On last Sunday night chat I was asking for reasons one side of a 12b might be losing power. Got a few suggestions but nothing I sould use. Since then I found out the problem was the horn generator on that side of the output. That's why transformer terminals read full voltage but track power was too low to run a train. Tuck this info away for future reference. I didn't realize the horn generators could fail this way. Took it out and connected the 2 RH base contacts (this eliminates the need to have it plugged in to run the train) and it was like a new transformer again! -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7285	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Bridge!!

Guys and Gals A favour please..someone!! The Feb 1997 apparently has a drawing for a Truss Bridge or similar. Could someone send me a JPEG scan of this please..pretty please Thanks very muchly!! :-) Cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7286	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Bridge issue!!..oops

Uh Hmm!! Make that the Feb 1997 issue of S-Gaugian :-)) Wish I could type as quick as I think!! Thanks >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7287	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer Problem

Hmm, Veeedry Interestink!! Makes sense, as these things fail to vibrate because of corrosion on the contacts, so too, they could also be a point of high resistance on the closed contacts. Another little trick to keep in "the black book" THANKS!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7288	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: AF color

Hi all, I need to touch up the red warbonnet paint on my operator quality 360 Santa Fe diesel A unit. The unit is not in mint or excellant shape, just nice looking and good except for some paint damage in one corner. I don't expect the repainted area to be invisible, just less noticable. My question is: Does anyone have a recommendation as to a generally available red paint to reasonably match the dark or maroon-toned red on the 360? Again, perfect isn't expected, but reasonably close would be nice. Any ideas will be appreciated. Thanks, Alan Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7289	From: Richard	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: got them ..thanks

All Thank to Eric Reis I have the article on the bridge..Thanks again!! To any one else who wasa bout to help thanks also..eric has saved you the job!! thanks all >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7290	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/23/2000
Subject: Re: --WD-40 use

The WD-40 was meant as a one-time solvent-action fix, not a long-term use idea! I suspect anything that would re-dissolve old, gummed-up, smoke fluid would probably be volatile, by its very nature. Still, I'd stand back from the stack when "firing up" (PUN intended!!) S' David "no eyebrows" D. PS Here's a Pic just for youse guys, BTW, this is the prototype for the TTOS crane car this year. http://www.quiknet.com/~djdewey/flamecranweb99.JPG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7291	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Bridge

I'm with Richard and willing to purchase two bridges now (but not in brass at $650 each). Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7292	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: AM Train sets

I have decided to sell my two AM Amtrak sets, $250.00 each. Need cash to pay off daughters wedding. Both sets have had light use, test run, and taken to a couple of shows. Excellent condition to LN, still in set boxes. Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7293	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Warbonnet touch up

Regarding touch up of Santa Fe, try some nailpolish. Match the color, smooths out well with the brush (included.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7294	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Flat Car Loads

For flat car loads, factory "scenery", junk yards, etc, next time you have a household dohickey to discard, first do some mining! Disassemble it (better yet, give it to the kids and let them disassemble it, for fun, and for learning about tools and mechanical things). Put on your 1:64 eyes and look at the various molded and diecast parts. You might find out that they look like mighty interesting 1:64th scale machinery pieces . Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7295	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/22/2000
Subject: rivets vs. screws or bolts

My 651 baggage car has had one linc coupler changed to a knuckle{ my Dad did it many many moons ago}. He must have taken off the entire truck because instead of the rivet there's a little screw or bolt. I've not yet had a problem with it but it does seem alittle loose, so I'll probably take it apart to see whats on the other end of that little bolt! Bought some old Flyer that needs truck replacements and I'll use the little bolts{The spot of epoxy sounds like an idea}. Don't have a lot to do so I cant't see getting a riveting tool or riveter{What ever you call it!} Besides, I'm not THAT handy with tools, I'd rivet my fingers together!! Smiles to all, Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7296	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: rivets vs. screws or bolts

Instead of using epoxy which might make future disassembly difficult, how about using Loc-Tite? I know some versions are meant to be permanent but others supposedly allow disassembly. <<< previous >>> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:44:27 -0000 From: "Rick Evans {bass-flyer}" <comic@...> My 651 baggage car has had one linc coupler changed to a knuckle{ my Dad did it many many moons ago}. He must have taken off the entire truck because instead of the rivet there's a little screw or bolt. I've not yet had a problem with it but it does seem alittle loose, so I'll probably take it apart to see whats on the other end of that little bolt! Bought some old Flyer that needs truck replacements and I'll use the little bolts{The spot of epoxy sounds like an idea}. Don't have a lot to do so I cant't see getting a riveting tool or riveter{What ever you call it!} Besides, I'm not THAT handy with tools, I'd rivet my fingers together!! Smiles to all, Rick. <<< previous >>> Jerry Riechert Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7297	From: betty wight	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Bolts vs. Rivets

What I have done to replace rivets is two methods. The first method is what Jerry Riechert has mentioned. I use the lock tight that is made for disassembly. If I'm out of this product and don't want to buy any the second method I have very good luck with is to adjust then tension and then score the nut and bolt with a dremel or file. Then I use a drop of solder acid and solder a spot. Then I can disassemble if needed. Anyway that seems to work for me so far. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7298	From: Ted Larson	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Racing Champions

http://www.racingchamps.com/prod_lineup/releases/html/00_set.html The Classified Classics line (see above) has some listings in it that look real familiar; '66 GTO, '65 Galaxie for example. Looks like Mint Editions are returning, just under a new name. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7299	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: DC current

Some time ago a question was on the list regarding re-magnetizing the field on Flyer DC motors such as the Northern. It was suggested that a bar magnet could be used. Does anyone have any experience in this? Secondly, When I attach a bridge rectifer to the AC transformer the outgoing DC has a significant voltage drop. I thought I read somewhere that a capacitor across the DC could restore some volts. If so, what size capacitor??? Thanks, Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7300	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Cleaners

I use a product called Hole Shot Power Spray, made by Trinity Products, Inc., "A Blast of Instant Horsepower." I found it at a hobby shop that deals mostly with R/C cars. The instructions read, " Immeadiately before running, spray a small amount of Hole Shot directly onto your motor commutator and then manually spin the armature a few times. Hole Shot may damage some soft plastics." It is pressurized with carbon dioxide. It works, though I haven't tried it on a smoke unit. Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7301	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current

Finde a LARGE capacitor, about 200mfd, or parallel a couple of 1000's. You can also experiment with dsifferent bridge rectifiers. Some don't cause that large a drop. Generally, now that they don't seem to mark them in PIV I look for lower voltahe readings. Dwight Lehnhoff wrote: > > From: "Dwight Lehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> > > Some time ago a question was on the list regarding re-magnetizing the > field on Flyer DC motors such as the Northern. It was suggested that > a bar magnet could be used. Does anyone have any experience in this? > > Secondly, When I attach a bridge rectifer to the AC transformer the > outgoing DC has a significant voltage drop. I thought I read > somewhere that a capacitor across the DC could restore some volts. > If so, what size capacitor??? Thanks, > > Dwight Lehnhoff > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit > you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/914/0/_/494531/_/951502938/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7302	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: DC current

The posting on remagnetizing Flyer DC motor fields was mine. I think it can be done with something that slot car racers use called a magnet zapper. I haven't been able to find a slot car racer to help me find this thing. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7303	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current--"lost" postings

I missed the original posting for this, and I've noticed other replys to postings I've not recieved. Anyone else having this problem, or is it an issue with my server? Thanks! S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7304	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel

Hi all, Well, I just received in the mail {from....you know...that online auction place that starts with the letter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7305	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 2/24/2000
Subject: Re: Bridge

GOOD POINT--What is reasonable costs for a bridge, as compared to a steam loco, etc., it is still probably the buyer's final decision, but what should a typical project plan for? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7306	From: J. Row	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -

Gentlemen and Ladies: Would someone in the know clue me in to what an ALPS printer is that I see refered to for making decals. I have a business that could use a decal from time to time and this hints of an "Attractive Solution". Thanks, in advance, for your help. Jim Row Buffalo Creek, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7307	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -

"J. Row" wrote: > Would someone in the know clue me in to what an ALPS printer is that I > see refered to for making decals. Decals can be made on clear decal paper using most of the laser and inkjet printers on the market; however, light colors such as yellow and gold, and of course the non-existing white toner, do not print opaque enough for decals. The Alps printer uses a ribbon which can be gotten in many colors including white and gold, and it transfers an opaque image. So, using an Alps, you can make white, yellow, gold, etc. decals. More info can be seen at http://www.catskillarts.com/alpsdecals/ Naturally, you will need to have your own artwork, but in many cases, the fonts are available and decals can be made. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7308	From: The Reis's	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -

Alps is a brand name of a line of printers made by the Japanese (i believe) firm ALPS They are another huge conglomerate making connectors, car stereos, printers, etc) The difference as explained to me is that they make the only printer that prints white. Most others rely on the white paper for the white. This means that you can print white lettering and graphics on clear material. The question I also have is there a commercially available form of rub-off type material for ink-jet printers? Would this be like the iron off T-shirt material? I remember something like this for ammonia blueprint machines or it might have been the photo/chemical process, but that was 25 years ago. eric reis kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Row <row@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - - > From: "J. Row" <row@...> > > Gentlemen and Ladies: > > Would someone in the know clue me in to what an ALPS printer is that I > see refered to for making decals. > > I have a business that could use a decal from time to time and this > hints of an "Attractive Solution". > > Thanks, in advance, for your help. > > Jim Row > Buffalo Creek, CO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/915/0/_/494531/_/951530189/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7309	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/25/2000
Subject: Re: DC current

Sorry about the bad typing. Thew 200 was supposed to be 2000mfd. Chuck Smith wrote: > > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > > Finde a LARGE capacitor, about 200mfd, or parallel a couple of 1000's. > You can also experiment with dsifferent bridge rectifiers. Some don't > cause that large a drop. Generally, now that they don't seem to mark > them in PIV I look for lower voltahe readings. > > Dwight Lehnhoff wrote: > > > > From: "Dwight Lehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> > > > > Some time ago a question was on the list regarding re-magnetizing the > > field on Flyer DC motors such as the Northern. It was suggested that > > a bar magnet could be used. Does anyone have any experience in this? > > > > Secondly, When I attach a bridge rectifer to the AC transformer the > > outgoing DC has a significant voltage drop. I thought I read > > somewhere that a capacitor across the DC could restore some volts. > > If so, what size capacitor??? Thanks, > > > > Dwight Lehnhoff > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0% > > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit > > you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/914/0/_/494531/_/951502938/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! ZERO! Rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the credit > you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/914/0/_/494531/_/951504708/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7310	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 50's cars

Check out http://www.playingmantis.com/frameset.asp?NewHead=JL&NewNav=JL&NewBody=JL&NewFoot=JL for what is coming up from Johnny Lightning in the next year Of the whole list of new releases I think the most useful will be a.. American Chrome - Replicas of classic cars from the "Fabulous Fifties," including: '53 Buick Super, '55 Chrysler C-300, '55 Crown Victoria, '57 Lincoln Premier, and a '58 Chevy Impala - due 3rd Quarter of 2000 and b.. Tri-Chevy - Authentic replicas of America's best- loved cars, including: '55 Chevy Convertible, '56 Chevy Convertible, '57 Chevy Convertible, '55 Chevy Nomad, '56 Chevy Nomad, and '57 Chevy Nomad - due out in 2001 Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7311	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Lost Posts

Dave Dewey, You're not alone! Somethin's amiss!! One of my posts took two days to show up and in the latest digest, only a fraction of one of my posts appeared!!.....???????????... Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7312	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Cable Cars

When I was a young boy I used to ride the Cable Cars and Trollys in San Francisco. If I remember right the Cable Cars went north to south. The Trollys went east to west. My favorite ride was from fishermans wharf to china town. The question is this. Has there ever been a operating Cable Car in "S"that I could have going in my town? The other question is was there ever a Trolly in "S"?. I was thinking that it would be fun to add this to my layout. I'm develpoing my town more and would like to add some action to it. Thanks in advance. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7313	From: judy messinger	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: "Slow Flyer"

Hello, Flyer Mechanics, I've had pretty good luck (so far) at fixing my American flyer Locos but now, I'm "stumped" by this one: One of my 290's runs twice as fast backward as it does forward. . . I've checked the wiring and it's okay, other locos run fine with the same tender, and the drive wheels turn freely (in both directions) when the armature is turned by hand. Anybody out there know what's up with this thing? Thanks, Joe Messinger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: "Slow Flyer"

I talked about a similar problem with my local hobby dealer, Stan Slade, a while back. He thinks the problem could be brushes or brush springs losing their temper. Recall that the worm gear thrusts the armature toward the brushes in one direction, away in the other. I know this is not a panacea but it works in some cases. Also check thrust washers. judy messinger wrote: > > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > > Hello, Flyer Mechanics, > > I've had pretty good luck (so far) at fixing my American flyer Locos but > now, I'm "stumped" by this one: One of my 290's runs twice as fast backward > as it does forward. . . > > I've checked the wiring and it's okay, other locos run fine with the same > tender, and the drive wheels turn freely (in both directions) when the > armature is turned by hand. > > Anybody out there know what's up with this thing? > > Thanks, > > Joe Messinger > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Shabang!com is the place to get your FREE eStore, Absolutely FREE > Forever. If you have any desires to sell your products or services > online, or you want to expand your customer base for FREE, Come check > out Shabang!com FREE eStores! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1299/0/_/494531/_/951594063/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7315	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars

Pennsylvania Heritage makes S trolleys. They have an add in S Gaugian. One of our club members has one and it's a smooth runner. PHM Ltd. R.D.4 Box139 Birdsboro, PA 19508 Bob Wight wrote: > > From: Bob Wight <bgaylord@...> > > When I was a young boy I used to ride the Cable Cars and Trollys in San > Francisco. > If I remember right the Cable Cars went north to south. The Trollys went > east to west. My favorite ride was from fishermans wharf to china town. > The question is this. Has there ever been a operating Cable > Car in "S"that I could have going in my town? The other question is was > there ever a Trolly in "S"?. I was thinking that it would be fun to add > this to my layout. I'm develpoing my town more and would like to add > some action to it. Thanks in advance. > Happy Railroading > Bob Wight > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > WANT FREE MAGAZINES? > Sample over 500 magazines in 30 categories-- all for FREE at > FreeShop.com, your source for thousands of free and trial offers! > http://click.egroups.com/1/1610/0/_/494531/_/951593096/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7316	From: Dennis Back	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars (ANOTHER source)

Your might also want to try: Putt Trains P.O.Box 463 Orwell, OH 44076 I have one of their S trolleys on my layout and it works great. It can do really slow speeds and has a lighted interior. They usually have a small ad in the "S Gaugian." Best, Dennis Miami __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7317	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: links

How can I post a message with a link so that I can pass along some interesting WEB sites. Will past work while I am typing this message. I have found some intersting train sites with train Heralds. Thanks in advance. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7318	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars

The cable cars go all four directions. The two lines cross each other. Larry Bob Wight wrote: > From: Bob Wight <bgaylord@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7319	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7320	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Flat Car Loads

It is interesting to see oversize loads handled. I have seen them at the front, right behind the diseasals. I have also seen them as special moves, with idler cars between the locos and the load, and that is the whole train. On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:47:57 -0500 "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> writes: > The last object covered was a steam generator > replacement for a nuclear power plant. It was large enough (70 feet long > and 15 feet wide) and weighed enough (401 tons with parts 436 tons) > to require two flat cars, each having four 3 axle trucks to spead the > weight. It just barely cleared a bridge it had to pass over. It was > covered in blue shrink plastic. For what it is worth. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7321	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: American Flyer cars

Today at an antique show I picked up a copy of a book titled More Classic Trains. The book covers 20th century American (generally) passenger trains into the streamlined diesel era and gives a lot of good coverage with many black and white photos. But the reason I bought it was a thirteen page chapter on 'THE American Flyer CARS'. The introduction talks briefly about Gilbert modelling their cars after the New Haven RR cars, and how the New Haven cars in turn became called the American Flyer cars. It starts with the 1935 (AF 650 and 651) style car and gives pages of exterior and interior b&w photographs and drawings of the various configurations operated by a number of railroads. It concludes with the post war fluted side version of the still rounded roof-end car. For anyone who wants to see from where our trains came, this is a delightful section. In 500 8-1/2" x 11" pages the book covers passenger trains of many railroads from across the country. It is: More Classic Trains, Arthur D. Dublin, Kalmbach Publishing Co., 1974, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 73-92249. It is the second in a pair of books, with the first one I assume being Classic Trains. After having a good look at this book, I may have to go back tomorrow and pick up the other one. Roger Delthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7322	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: links

One method that always works is to highlight the web address on your browser and then copy it and paste it into a mailnote. My netscape has an optioon to attach the web page. However many ataachments get stripped by onelist, so adding it into your mailnote as text is the surest way. JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > > How can I post a message with a link so that I can pass along some > interesting WEB sites. Will past work while I am typing this > message. I have found some intersting train sites with train Heralds. > Thanks in advance. Jim Sleeth > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/912/0/_/494531/_/951602633/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7323	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 50's or 60's diecast gondola kits

I have a gondola and a flat car made of metal. Has AF trucks and wheels. On the bottom it says

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7324	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: 1/2 missing posts!!

Am I the only one having problems with posts being cut off?? I've had two so far that have been cut off! Nuttin' worse than havin' your post cut off!!! I hate when that happens!! Rick..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7325	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}

Got another question from an old digest. Tom Gerbasi mentioned some Coca-Cola signs and things that Target sold back in Dec. of '98. I happened to get one of the blinking diner signs {half price} and it does look good with my plasticville diner. He said he wired them to his layout. The sign takes two AA batteries and it says 1.5v x 2... 3 volts,..I use a HO transformer for my lights. It says 6 volt total output. How can one wire in these lights and some others I have, to avoid the batteries?? Thanks much, Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7326	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Slow #290 Loco

Hi Judy, Check out digest #535, post #17. Tom Jarcho gave some very detailed tips. I printed them out, really worth keeping! Good luck! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7327	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: S-trains chat room reminders

Just curious, the chat room reminders read 8pm-9pm {1 hr.} in my time zone it I think it's from 5pm-7pm {2 hrs.} Am I doing bad math or... ...????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7328	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Opportunity Knocks

I am wondering if the S gauge community is aware of the planning in progress at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry? They have recently budgeted a snappy $3 million to completely revamp their massive train layout and are currently searching for ideas, including selection of gauge. Are we as S gaugers willing to stick our collective necks out and claim we are the gauge of choice and here's why? I have met the curator in charge of the program and he's starting with a blank sheet of paper. Any one willing to present our case? Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7329	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Battery powered signs

Well there are a lot of approaches. I am something of a "technoidiot", but here is what I have done in the past. One is to simply wire a battery power source to an on/off switch on your control panel and to the lighted sign. If you chose to wire it to the "transformer power", you need to provide DC power, most simple incandescent lights will work on either AC or DC, but the diner sign with the chase lights needs the polarity of DC. The easiest way is to use an old DC transformer that you pick up cheaply at a train meet and use a voltmeter to adjust the variable output to the desired voltage. MAKE SURE YOU GET THE POLARITY RIGHT. If you get the polarity backward, the lights will not chase. I tend to run the sign on the lowest voltage that will allow the lights to chase to prolong the life of the incandescent bulb that is also in the circuit. If you want to make life a little harder, you can use an AC transformer, and either wire in a diode to get "half-wave"DC or use a bridge rectifier to get "pure DC" output. In any case be sure that you use the "variable" output to set the voltage and don't burn out the sign. Unless you have a lot of low voltage accessories, the transformer's variable output will have to be exclusively devoted to the sign. Be sure the transformer is in "Phase" with the transformer you use to power your trains. Clear as mud? Take a look at Basic Electricity and Electronics for Model Railroaders from Kalmbach Books, it is pretty useful for those of us who last looked at electricity 30 years ago or so in high school physics. Tom Gerbasi Rick wrote " I happened to get one of the blinking diner signs {half price} and it does look good with my plasticville diner. He said he wired them to his layout. The sign takes two AA batteries and it says 1.5v x 2... 3 volts,..I use a HO transformer for my lights. It says 6 volt total output. How can one wire in these lights and some others I have, to avoid the batteries??" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7330	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: NASG Shirts

I'm looking for a photo (or drawing) of the NASG golf shirt. The t-shirt and cap are shown on the front cover of the Feb. 1996 Dispatch. Please send me an off-list note if you know where I can find a photo (with or without a person inside). Thanks, Ted Larson ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7331	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: [links]

>How can I post a message with a link so that I can pass along some >interesting WEB sites. ... Jim if you include the http://www.... most browsers and mail tools will treat it like a web link. S-Trains.com vs www.S-Trains.com vs http://www.S-Trains.com Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7332	From: Richard	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Opportunity Knocks

Andy Sounds great!! Another opportunity!! Hey all!! which is the other largish museum effort under way at present , being built in "S" ?? Actually other than bias :-) "S" is a fantastic choice for museums..large enoughtobe seen and APPRECIATED at a distance and of good size to allow something to be represented..unlike that giant "O" !! What sort of theme or era is to be used. Is it supposed to be a professional , commercial type stand alone effort...or could some club get involved?? Sounds intersting!! :-)) cheers >:~)) Richard rosiep3@... wrote: > > From: rosiep3@... > > I am wondering if the S gauge community is aware of the planning in progress > at Chicago's Museum of Science and Industry? They have recently budgeted a > snappy $3 million to completely revamp their massive train layout and are > currently searching for ideas, including selection of gauge. Are we as S > gaugers willing to stick our collective necks out and claim we are the gauge > of choice and here's why? I have met the curator in charge of the program > and he's starting with a blank sheet of paper. Any one willing to present > our case? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7333	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Lost posts, lost server!!

Hi all, Well, besides loosing posts to the group, I've lost individual messages as well, one was VERY important to me, it was how to test my truck's electrical system so I can fix it to pass smog next week! Whew, thank goodness the poster reposted asking why I hadn't thanked him! Well, the final straw was Friday nite/Sat morning, when the server went down, and just this morning came back on line. We will see if it continues to work, hope so, as I really enjoy S-trains chat!! Well, outside to test the truck, it's not raining right now!!! Chat with you all later!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7334	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Sweet & Low

Hi Gang: On September 26, 1998, I posted to the TCA Mail List, the story of a personal experience I had with trains in the movies. The movie in question has been finally released. It is called "Sweet & Low" and stars Sean Penn. Woody Allen directed. At the moment, it is showing only in "artsy" movie houses. I hope a wider release follows. I have included here the original text of the post to get you interested. Enjoy! __________________________________________________________ Last Thursday and Friday night, I worked as a "day-player" electrician on Woody Allen's next film (as yet untitled). Sean Penn stars as a wild guy with a love of women and cars. The period setting is the mid to late thirties. On Thursday we worked in a junkyard in Queens, NY, emulating 1932, where Sean teaches his girl to shoot a gun while pointing it at some rats. Friends wait impatiently in an Auburn convertible. The place reeked and we were glad to wrap out that night. Friday found us at the Glendale, Queens location of the New York and Atlantic Railway freight yards. The NY&A is typical of the "Mom & Pop" shortline freight haulers springing up around the country as bigger carriers abandon interchange service and short-haul switching duties in lieu of the more lucrative long-distance point-to-point service. This wisdom was imparted to me by the yard manager, a young guy with three walkie-talkies clipped to his belt. The New York Connecting Railroad had performed these duties in the past, linking Long Island with merchandise sent over from New England and upstate NY via the Hellgate Bridge (yes, the prototype of your Hellgate Bridge.) Apparently, the NY&A has taken over some of these responsiblities from NYConn RR and also from the LIRR. The little line actually interchanges with other shortlines who move the merchandise to NY&A from their own interchange with Conrail. The NY&A yards comprised an eight or nine track ladder running East/West for a distance of about 1/2 mile. At the western end, a silver truss bridge that was so familiar it should have had "Lionel" lettered on it, crossed the yard tracks going South to North with a slight angle to the West. This bridge was set at a height which cleared locomotive tops below by less than two feet. As I rigged cable across it, I was able to stand directly over diesels idling below me, with no fences, no safety railings. On the far side of the North end of the bridge was a traditional clapboard switch tower, which the road still used as its operational HQ. Running parallel with the yard tracks on the North side, was the LIRR passenger mainline to Long Island City, an all diesel line with only a few trains operating each day. While we were there, two of these ran through, 1 eastbound and 1 westbound. The movie set was located on the south side of the tracks, in a large triangular island formed by the intersecting rails of a wye, whose southern end sends a spur into Brooklyn to service local industries. When I was in grammar school in the Ridgewood section of Brooklyn, I used to play on this branch. The kids called it "the dead tracks" partly to signify that, unlike other Long Island rails, these had no third rail power, and partly to convince our parents that this trackage was somehow unused and harmless as a playground. Although we rarely saw any movements, we proved that these tracks were very live, indeed, by leaving tell tale pennies on the railheads and coming back the next day to find them flattened to the size of a quarter! H-10 steam switchers were heavy mothers! I remember climbing all over the cars, running along the top catwalks of boxcars to simulate movement; throwing siding switches and gaining the amazing insight into how the real ones worked; spending a rainy afternoon in a boxcar imagining the life of a hobo, free to ride everywhere the rails went; hanging out near the real thing (we called them "bums") as they would burn trash and crates in a 55 gallon oil drum and make our eyes water from the creosote laden smoke. When I would play with my American Flyers, lying in the warm security of our carpeted dining room, I could still make the jump to that special world that existed in a ribbon alongside the dead tracks just by parking my red B&O boxcar on a piece of straight track next to a factory made of an overturned shoebox with pencilled in windows, getting real low down on the floor and squinting my eyes to shut out the invading reality of the dining room walls. The action in the scene was simple. Sean Penn was to careen his silver convertible (another Auburn?) into the yards from an access road under the truss span. There he would hang out with his sweetie of the moment and play the guitar as freight trains moved behind him. To this end, the set dressers had worked diligently to recreate the 1938 setting. A wooden freight house had been built over half of the trailer home that served as a yard base. A wooden shed shell covered its modern equivalent and old enameled metal lights were fastened to the buildings and to wooden power poles. We wired these and shut off the yard's own high mounted, high pressure sodium vapor lamps. Two trains were assembled for us and dressed to resemble Lehigh Valley freights. The dressers had full size "decals" to apply to the rolling stock (actually peel and stick stickers including road names and locomotive numbers from several roads. All this would have been custom-made for them) and they placed "LV" diamonds on the sides of MP-15 and SW-1200 diesels which would be playing the role of early SW-1's that were delivered to the Valley in 1936. NY&A paints its locos a dark, park bench green, and has a roster that includes a GP-10, which, I am told, is a mechanically upgraded GP-9, and is painted a blue green. I checked in books at a model railroad store and found pictures of the early switcher units, and while the physical similarities are passable enough for the movies, Lehigh Valley never painted in green. In fact, these early diesels tested a red and cream livery that smacked of Sante Fe warbonnet stripes. Oh well, I guess repaints were out of the question for a short scene! The LIRR is making use of leased short hoppers reminiscent of ore cars (K-Line sold them in four-packs) to move crushed rock and stone out to a fill at the east end of the island from an excavation in LI City. For this movie, at least eight of them were lettered "Pennsylvania". The entire yard was meant to recreate a Jersey Central yard that the LV leased in New Jersey. The rest of the cars were consists of available "Southern" boxcars culled from existing stock and plain, well weathered gons. It was dark, so the public shouldn't be too aware of details like door size, extra long modern coupler drawbars, welded rail, twist-locks instead of spikes and who knows what else? When you finally see this epic, you can look for all the anachronisms yourself. I think the effect was pretty realistic. My vantage point for most of the evening was 120 feet in the air over track # 2, snuggled down in my cozy Condor bucket lift with two lights for company, an 18 K and a 12 K HMI. K stands for thousands . . . of watts! These are bright lights. Once the director of photography had them "tweaked" (adjusted to light the rail yard just so) there was nothing left for me to do but settle down and watch the show. For hours, in take after take, that shiny little speedster would screech into the yard as one of our freights hammered smokily (to my delight) westward under the truss and the other pounded northbound over it. Run 'em forward. back 'em up, run 'em forward again. I was laughing out loud. It was like I was a kid again and Pop and his brother, my Uncle Tommy, were running my Flyers. I didn't have control of the transformer, but I could watch the action. And what action. Staring down from my high perch I realized that this vantage point was what was missing from my 1:1 scale railfanning. This was my model railroading view angle. And there, laid out before me in live, fire breathing, smoke eating, full scale, take-up-the-coupler-slack-noisily reality, was the quintessential toy train catalog shot. One train over the bridge, one under at right angles, a too-shiny classic car posed next to the steam era shantys, and the New York skyline sillouhetted in the late night mist. When you see the movie, you will, of course, have the camera's view. Just imagine me, though, high up and to your right. Picture my angle on the scene, and remember, this time, I didn't have to squint. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7335	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7336	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers

Our webmaster Jon Marinello is putting the finishing touches on our New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefer web page. If you want to check it out try: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html These are due this summer. We are having a "6-pack" special to help us determine how many of each roadname to order. Put a deposit on 5 cars and get the 6th for free. This offer is good until May 31st. Don T. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and new shipment of track due in 2 weeks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7337	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}

Wire the lights in series and add enough to equal the voltage you have available. Then 4 lights of 1.5 v can draw 6 volts. If they don't match well enough in amperage aome will be brighter. You can experiment. Rick Evans {bass-flyer} wrote: > > From: "Rick Evans {bass-flyer}" <comic@...> > > Got another question from an old digest. Tom Gerbasi mentioned some > Coca-Cola signs and things that Target sold back in Dec. of '98. I > happened to get one of the blinking diner signs {half price} and it > does look good with my plasticville diner. He said he wired them to > his layout. The sign takes two AA batteries and it says 1.5v x 2... > 3 volts,..I use a HO transformer for my lights. It says 6 volt total > output. How can one wire in these lights and some others I have, to > avoid the batteries?? > Thanks much, Rick. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/912/0/_/494531/_/951627967/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7338	From: Don Thompson	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Oops!

Oops! for a complete description of the wooden billboard reefers check out: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodreefers.html Arthur Armstrong wrote: > Hi - > > Those wooden reefers look like what I was planning to build this summer > - some time... > > Can you give me a little more information? > > What is the BLT date on the cars? > > Are the numbers different if I get a six-pack? > > The model I was planning is the R-50-2 based on Westerfield kit #1853. > Can you give me a clue on the version of yours? > > My layout is set in 1937 and, while I am not a fanatic (I can be > converted with some nice kits available) I would like to hold to this as > closely as possible. > > Many thanks for your contribution to S scale. I have two of your > single-sheath boxcars and think they are a great representation. > > Art Armstrong -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7339	From: Scott Brown	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars

Bob, I too remember riding the cable cars in San Francisco as a boy and as an adult. The only SF cable cars I have seen are in HO. I believe they are made by Bachman. It sure would be great to find one in "S". Let me know if you find one. Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7340	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest 79 {way back!}

Rick, Hmm, thinking about this, I remembered finding a plug-in power supply for something (telephone, calculator, ???) that puts out 2VDC. Picked it up at a yard sale for a song (why?? who knows, maybe just for this idea!). One of these should be more than adequate to power some lights or signs. You can probably buy one new from Radio Shack! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7341	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Chat Room Hours

Ok, I think I'm catching on! The room stays open for awhile! We were in there three hours on sunday!! How long can a room stay open?!? Three hrs chattin' with the

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7342	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: 'SCUSE MY IGNORANCE, BUT - - -

Jim, The ALPS printer uses a dry transfer process for printing instead of wet inks. The printing material is transfered to the paper from a ribbon much like a typewriter. Since it is dry it can be used to print onto decal paper (i use paper from Micromart). The printer prints one color at a time, making multiple passes over the paper for each color. The registration is execlent when it does this. I am always amazed by it. In addition to the usual Black, Cyan, Blue and Yellow color ribbons you can get White, Gold and Silver. If you stick to these colors the decals you get (for S scale) are great. When you start creating mixed colors, it's not nearly as good because of the pixelation (you can make out the dots), even with the high end unit. If you do print colors, put a layer of white down first - then the color, right Don!? :) kbt > From: "J. Row" <row@...> > > Gentlemen and Ladies: > > Would someone in the know clue me in to what an ALPS printer is that I > see refered to for making decals. > > I have a business that could use a decal from time to time and this > hints of an "Attractive Solution". > > Thanks, in advance, for your help. > > Jim Row > Buffalo Creek, CO >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7343	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: so what's that?

I don't recognize the red part atop the power truck yoke? Does anyone know what that is? Thanks. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=268994352 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7344	From: noramz@webtv.net	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?

The red object over the power truck is a big chunk of lead weight. My GP-7 has an identical chassis. Why the weight is painted red I don't know. Norman Crescent City S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7345	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: Rubber stamps

<<A sheet of scrap plastic is also painted to practice using the rubber stamps. A crafts store has white pigment for the stamps. I won't go into detail about the embossing powder - It was a blind alley and had to be removed and the cab repainted. The dealer says he hasn't found a good vehicle to use with his rubber stamps. Yes, this isn't perfect, but then, neither was the factory.>> The above post is from some time ago, but I just got around to reading this particular digest tonight, and I need to reply to this comment, since the rubber stamps come from us. I have never stated to anyone that "we haven't found a perfect vehicle" (meaning ink, I assume). What I tell all customers who purchase our stamps is that we no longer stock the white ink because it has a very short shelf life. In fact, I suspect that I have discarded or given away free more white ink than I ever sold! Individuals, when ready to use the stamps, can purchase the white ink from Jerry Butler in California......he advertises in TCA, etc, and is in the rubber stamp business, but he does not make or market stamps for S........we are the only ones with these stamps. But he WILL sell you ink! As an alternative, I also suggest another brandname of white ink (sorry...its name slips my mind as I write this) , supposedly available in craft stores, which I have had a customer tell me worked well. I have sold a lot of these stamps (in fact, certain ones are now sold out), and never had one returned yet, so I am assuming customers have been successful in using them for their AF restorations. A great deal of time and effort went into their production.....they are all made from photographs of the markings on original engines, etc, which were then computer-enhanced (cleaned-up), before being reduced to artwork for the stamp production. Any questions, please inquire. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7346	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?

David, That is an early chassis, with a factory-installed wieght. I think it's pot metal. John Regan doesn't usually sell junk, he's been gathering parts for decades, and has been through some tough times and is apparently slowly going through his stuff (notice all the goodies in the background). A shame, as he used to be a great source for parts at very reasonable prices. Now it seems to be all eBay. But I can't believe the price is still so low!! Better let me know your "screen name" so I don't bid against you!! S' David (the other David!) D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7347	From: Neil Trump	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: so what's that?

Dave made a good point, I wonder how many of us have driven up the price on various items in the past against people on this list? If we all knew each other's alias from S-Trains we might be able to come to a gentleman's agreement on a bidding policy. Neil T. >Better let me know your "screen name" so I don't >bid against you!! >S' >David (the other David!) D. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7348	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: DC motors

- Greeting`S' - Permanent magnet motors just after WW II in almost every case used Alnico V or very similar alloy for the magnet. The magnets lose magnetism slowly over time. For some this loss is imperceptable. There are many model loco motors of smaller persuasion made with Alnico magnets still running very well. Retentivity is not good in Alnico. If one disassembles the motor to the point of separating armature from field, Alnico will lose perhaps a considerable bit of its magnetism. Magnetism does not return on putting the motor back together. This is when a magnet zapper is needed. Originally when the motor was magnetized, it was put in a larger electro- magnetic fully assembled. The electromagnetic brought the field up to the desired level, likely as high as possible. Older electric motor shops may have these remagnetizers around. Since the AF motor has much more iron than the smaller electric car motors, one would have to seek a large magnet zapper. Setting up the remagnetizer to snuggly fit the AF DC motor field may take some minutes. The actual remagnetizing takes less than 5 seconds. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7349	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Status of Rex Line

Dear Bill and 'S'ers, Due to the recent discussion about the Rex line of steam loco kits, I decided to find out about its current status. So, I called up Terry Putt of Putt Trains, the current owner of the line, last Saturday. We had a very interesting discussion. As usual, there's good news and bad news. First, the bad. Despite his best intentions, work on bringing the line up to speed has been much slower than he had anticipated (isn't this the mantra of S maunufacturers?:-)) Just kidding! We really do appreciate their efforts for S. He still needs to determine if the tooling needs repairs due to former use. Also, he is considering upgrading the line with can motors, but hasn't decided for sure, as this would necessitate re-engineering the drive train. He really couldn't give me a reliable idea of how long it would be before the full line of kits would be available again, but he does intend to bring it back. So, you're probably saying, "What's the good news?" Namely...this...a number of parts from the line are available right now (are you listening, Bill?). To those interested in the Rex line, Terry will send you a list of available parts if you send your mailing address to him at: Putt Trains P. O. Box 463 Orwell, OH 44076 So, that's it. I told him that I perceived there still to be a fair amount of interest in the line, even though it's been out of production for several years. He confirmed that he has received quite a number of inquiries about it. So, hopefully, one of these days, Rex will be back. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7350	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 543

The other (perhaps, at pesent, only) museum display in S is at the Cincinnati History Museum which is operated by the Cincinnati Historical society and located in the Cincinnati Museum Center which is the former Cincinnati Union Terminal. The display is an effort to model downtown Cincinnati and the riverfront as they appeared in the early 1940's. Other neighborhoods will be depicted in adjoining displays. I seen the parts that are now up and while it is mostly model city with a little bit of trains and streetcars in the appropriate spots, it is still impressive. And it is huge and still growing. Vic Bereskin > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:14:50 +1100 > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > Subject: Re: Opportunity Knocks > > Andy > > Sounds great!! Another opportunity!! > > Hey all!! which is the other largish museum effort under way at present , > being built in "S" ?? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7351	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Missouri Pacific photo page has moved to.........

Folks, Today I have a new account with Train Web. So I have moved all my web pages and photos over to: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/mopac.htm Its still free, I just have more space. So please update your bookmarks. If you find a broken link, please let me know and I'll correct it. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7352	From: Gale Hall	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Scale] idenity of eBay bidders

>From: "Gale Hall" <gale_hall@...> >To: S-Scale@onelist.com >Subject: [S-Scale] idenity of eBay bidders >Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:14:17 PST > > >In response to an earlier post stating perhaps we should share our eBay >idenity with each other so we are not running the price up on each other on >this list, and allow communication among the bidders and perhaps work out a >suitable solution as to who will obtain all or part of the items being bid >one.....remember now this is the same list that you can get hate mail for >just suggesting someone look at an eBay site, for say an outstanding paint >job on an engine....there was an SD-7 and SD-9 on there twice in fantastic >Great Northern paint, truly beautiful,,,,,and I got a reaming about even >suggesting anyone go to eBay......remember this is the list that has >trouble >agreeing on changing a light bulb or cutting homasote, and now the good ole >boys club will be able to agree on who should get to bid on an >item.....while that might be the down side, there is another built in >control here, if we knew who was bidding and we didn't like it, it is >really >simple, I call your wife and tell her what you are doing, that will fix >that >first rate and after a few times of that we will all be over on >Lawnwork@onelist.com.....Maybe it is better just a mystery? ya reckon? > >gale hall >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7353	From: Rick Evans	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Diecast kits

A big "pat on the back" for Gale and James who filled in the blanks on my partial post. They knew it was "REX ENG. CO." on the bottom of my cars! Any other input about this company?? Thanks a lot!! Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7354	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: ebay trouble

Thanks G. Hall, and I would like to add my perspective as well, to your post that starts out : "In response to an earlier post stating perhaps we should share our E-Bay >identity with each other so we are not running the price up on each other on >this list, and allow communication among the bidders and perhaps work out a >suitable solution as to who will obtain all or part of the items being bid >one...." Any collusion between members regarding E-Bay auctions would be unethical and dishonest. This weekend I had three auctions, as a seller, and received no higher than "book value" on all three. I would feel betrayed if members on this list tried to interfere with the normal workings of my auction. This is an ugly road to go down.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7355	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars

Paul; Thanks the photos were great on the streetcar. I'll send them to Scott today sometime since he asked. I was not familiar with Dept.56.. So there is a town not far from here that has one of those Christmas year round stores. Who could of ever imagined you could make a living in a small town with one of those stores. Anyway they had this one room full of Dept. 56 stuff. Wow, great quality and some really nice stuff. I'll probably bid on that one you told me about. Thanks Paul. Happy Railroading Bob Wight. paul rinehart wrote: > > > Bob, > did the pictures come thru ok ? > get you enough info ? overload you with info ? > paul

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7356	From: Bob Wight	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: ID

Dear "S"er's; First, how do I get this mailer to send the letter the way it is written? Not all chopped up? You can reply and tell this crazy Irishman how off list. Be Nice. On the sharing of E-Bay ID's. I don't have a problem with it. I disagree with the notion that the seller would be cut short. This auction is all over the world and to think that we could change the outcome of a auction by treating each other on this list the same way we would treat a friend is hard for me to understand. I will only pay so much and that is it. In fact I feel that it would create the opposite. There has been some parts lots that I was out bided on by someone that we spoke of before. I didn't need all the parts in that lot, and if there would of been someone else I knew that we could of shared this auction together with, we would of possibly got the lot. All that would of done is given the seller a higher bid and of course that would be ok in there minds, right? But I just don't think we could possible change the outcome of a auction in a negative way by sharing ID's. We have auctions out here all the time in this farming area. We all know each other and it still don't change the profit margin. Well just my opinion. Opinions are just like ....holes we all have one. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7357	From: busy-boy	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Alps

Jim Row wrote: > Would someone in the know clue me in to what an ALPS printer is that I > see refered to for making decals. Jim: This S-trains list is a OneList. Go to any OneList page and type Alps into the search feature. The first three list results you get will be for mail lists devoted to Alps printers and their use in decalomania. Subscribe to these lists and find out more. Also try http://www.alps.com , which is the Alps companies home page. Here you can find out all about the dye sublimation process and the printers available to perform it. The site is loaded with information, including basics on how these processes work. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7358	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: e-bay and collusion and book value

As far as a seller on e-bay getting book value to his/her items What more do you want? The moon, the farm? I sure wont overpay for a piece on e-bay. Why should I, or anyone else for that matter? And as Bob pointed out in his post, if two buyers want to work together on an auction so they can split the items, are you really talking collusion here? When I had a piece on e-bay and received book value( which is what I paid for it) I was very pleased. I had the piece to enjoy for a year and a half, and when I sold it , I didn't lose any money either. Unlike some of my stocks! Oh well, back to the rehaabing so I get get the layout up permanately. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7359	From: J. Row	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble

THANKS MARC: Now we know why you are sensitive to E-Bay discussions! YOU'RE A "SELLER", NOT A "BUYER" (at least part of the time). IT'S ALL IN THE POINT OF VIEW ONE HAS! You're right, Marc. It seems "an ugly road to go down". However, it happens all the time at other types of auctions, auctions where there are real people there in body, looking each other in the eye and being watched by the auctioneer. A group of antique buyers will decide what something should sell for then they "top it right there", no more. They also make agreements as to who will "GET" what. It all works pretty well, unless, of course, there is someone who wants it bad enough to break ranks and go higher which is often the case. A group can do what is proposed (though I don't like the idea) and that only covers that group in not competing with one another I think the proposition removes some of the excitement from the buying process, the fairness of the process, etc. I buy on E-bay now and then and enjoy the adreniline flow, the mystery of knowing if I bought a good piece or bad, etc. I would not vote for such a blanket agreement from any group. SO - - THANKS FOR TELLING US WHERE YOU STAND. WHERE MONEY IS INVOLVED, COURTESY AND KINDNESS, HUMAN CONSIDERATION, AND QUIET TALK OFTEN GO OUT THE WINDOW! THANKS FOR THE INPUT! Jim Row Marc McCarron wrote: > > From: "Marc McCarron" <mrmccarron@...> > > Thanks G. Hall, and I would like to add my perspective as well, to your post SOME OF THE MESSAGE DELETED FOR BREVITY! JLR > > This weekend I had three auctions, as a seller, and received no higher than I would feel betrayed if members on this list tried to > interfere with the > normal workings of my auction. This is an ugly road to go down. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Show your style! Choose from 6 great card designs when you > apply for Capital One's 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1894/5/_/494531/_/951821248/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7360	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Letter Formating (was.... ID

Bob Wight wrote: > Dear "S"er's; > First, how do I get this mailer to send the letter > the way it is written? Not all chopped up? You can reply and tell this > crazy Irishman how off list. Be Nice. (snip) Howdy Bob There are three things that cause problems with how an e-mail is viewed. First, do not hit the enter key at the end of a line like you would do a carriage return on a typewritter. Let the words flow automatically. Second, somewhere in your e-mail preferences - it is under EDIT/PREFERENCES/MAIL/MESSAGES in Netscape - is the ability to wrap long lines and set a length for the wrap on messages both sent and received. Netscape defaults to 72 characters per line, I think. If you send a message without wrapping it, and the receiver does not have the wrap feature turned on, the message will be in a single line that you must scroll across to see. Royal pain unless the viewer has the next feature set on.... Third, in some mail packages, i.e., Netscape, while in e-mail, pull down the VIEW menu. There is a WRAP LONG LINES command that will automatically wrap long lines you are typing so you can see them all. Otherwise, they will scroll across the screen and you will feel the need to insert a carriage return to keep things on the page. Ditto for messages received that have not been sent wrapped. With all the different e-mail packages on the market, it is hard to find standardization. However, dig around your system, look at the help files, and you will probably find the places to make the default changes. Naturally, window sizes affect everything, so play around to find the settings that suit you best. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7361	From: David Dewey	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble & sharing identities

Hi all, OK, WHOA!!! This all started out with an innocent suggestion by me to ONE member to let me know who he is/was, so I wouldn't bid against him on an item I thought he might be most interested in. No collusion, just the same courtesy I would give at a "Live" auction--if the fever hasn't caught me and I'm oblivious to whom the other bidder may be! More than once I have "bowed out" on an auction when I realized I was going against an "e-buddy", BUT!! I also realize that this hobby is like any other, when you get to the swap meet, or table, "All rules are off!" Well, except the one that the first one to pick the item up gets it--unless they lay it back down, then SWOOP! I got it! And the rule that when one person is going through a "junk box" you stand back and wait (with baited breath) while the finish rummaging through it before you grab that "must need" piece you saw them pass by (whew, good thing they were an O gauge person!). So thinking that through, we are probably best left with "secret identifies" -- yeah, mine's such a secret, it's my email address, all we could use for ID when I joined eBay, and I don't want a pair of those dark glasses behind my name, so I'm keeping it! Back to eBay, I'm missing something!!!! ;-) Oh, rats, it's already way beyond my max. . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7362	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: LTI PA engines

Hi to all, I have always been impressed with the new "can" motors that LTI puts in the remakes of the Gilbert PA engines. I bought the Mo Pac Set, the Northern Pacific Set, the Western Pacific Set, Silver Flash Set, and New Haven Electric engine. The motors have lots of power and i haven't had any problems with them at shows...they seem to run along time and not get hot. What i really like is you don't have to worry about the BRASS GEARS that Gilbert put in the original motors that wear out very fast. I do love the smoother and quieter running of the original Gilbert engines though. BUT, one problem i have, and i am hopeing that many of you have seen this and have a fix. The problem is THIS: My Mo Pac engine, when it runs down the track shakes and vibrates at a very high rate. This really irritates me when i put it on the line to run. All my other powers engines from Lionel don't do this, but this one always does. I thought maybe it was lubrication it needed so i added a little oil to it..no difference. Now i have seen this same problem on THREE OTHER CLUB MEMBERS ENGINES, of different roadnames. CAN ANYONE RELATE TO THIS PROBLEM? HOW DID YOU FIX IT? Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike American Flyer Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7363	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: New Trackside Details in S

Howdy Friends Just a quick note to let you know about a new product line coming under the B.T.S. label. We have found a new source making resin trackside details and have agreed to be the U.S./Canada distributor for these. The first order is being made now; delivery expected around the end of March. #05000�- VINTAGE RELAY BOXES (2) $3.50 #05001�- MODERN RELAY BOX $3.00 #05002�- SWITCH MACHINE (GRS Type) $3.00 #05003�- SHORT MASTS and TELEPHONE BOXES (2) $3.50 #05004 - ROUND BATTERY BOX COVER (2) $3.00 We have samples of all of these, and will get them cleaned up, painted and put on the layout shortly. Photos will be on the web page as soon as possible. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7364	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: SSLS parts

Can anyone steer me to a source in the western U.S. for parts made by S Scale Locomotive & Supply? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7365	From: Bill Clark	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Bristol S Gaugers Web site

The Bristol S Gaugers, located in (mostly) Eastern Massachustetts, have a new web site. The url is: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html Right now it is mostly pictures. There are a bunch of pictures of our modular layout at the West Springfield show at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Shows/Springfield/Springfield.html Bill Boucher brought his scratch built circus cars and some other great models. There are pictures at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersRollingStock/BillBoucher/Bill Boucher.html There's also a club history, some pictures of member's equipment, etc. Hope you like them! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7366	From: Mark Preman	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hey Guys, The new list is up. Did you ever see a 790 TRAINORAMA. See if you can find the picture. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7367	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Misunderstanding

Folks, There seems to be a misunderstanding about the web pages that I have been moving around lately. Got a few emails saying so. My Missouri Pacific Photo page, which has my personal photos of Mopac engines, freight cars and others is located at: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/mopac.htm My Oddballs Decals web page is located at: http://www.oddballsdecals.com I hope this clears this up. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7368	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 2/28/2000
Subject: Opportunity Knocks

Re: Museum of Science and Industry Project The museum's concept book calls for the following: 1. The new layout will be 55x70, an increase of 1000sq.ft. over the current layout. 2. It will depict the evolution of the city of Chicago over the last 100 years. 3. One section will show the Port of Seattle -- connection ships and trains. 4. It will show the Galesburg Hump Yard -- a monster switch yard. 5. It will have a modelers corner -- where you can bring in your own stuff to operate, which I think is a very cool idea. 6. There will be a coal train linking the layout to the coal mine. 7. The details of this project are not settled and they are looking for input. The museum, from what I understand, is still soliciting funds from RR big shots, or anyone that maybe interested in contributing. I know the Chicagoland hobby shops are all drooling and most of them are recommending, dare I say it, three rail. To my way of thinking, to construct something of this magnitude and influence in unrealistic three rail would be a travesty. But, does S gauge have the resources, the variety, the actual wherewithal to present a convincing case? That question really should be addressed by the likes of Don Thompson et al. Don, here's a three million dollar sale, waiting to happen. Something like this could really help turn the popularity of the gauge around. Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7369	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: S scale station kit on ebay

Hi, I just wanted to see what the flamming was about so here goes... There is a, reportedly S scale, station kit on ebay. It's listed in the O scale category (i found it by a fluke). B&O craftsman station kit by American Model Builders.? It's at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=272118670 kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7370	From: John Craft	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: S scale station kit on ebay

> Use this link to acess S scale on ebay that is not on the AF list: http://search.ebay.com/cgi-bin/texis/ebay/results.html?query="S+SCALE"&categoryid=&ht=1&category1=479&maxRecordsReturned=300&maxRecordsPerPage=100&SortProperty=MetaEndSort [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7371	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Boy did I blow this one......sorry

Folks, I gave you all the incorrect url to my Missouri Pacific Photos web page, it should be http://www.trainweb.org/mopac Not http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/mopac.htm I failed to read the instructions when I got my notice yesterday. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Please flame me at my email address and not on any of these list. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7372	From: jarmstro@nis4u.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: AF 314AW Whistle Constroller Wanted

Yep, I was one of the bidders on eBay for that controller, . . . one of the losing bidders. So I still have a 314AW without its proper whistle controller. Is there one out there that's begging for a nice home?? - Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7373	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: Re: Red weights

In a message dated 2/29/00 4:28:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << The red object over the power truck is a big chunk of lead weight. My GP-7 has an identical chassis. Why the weight is painted red I don't know. >> Because it contains lead!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7374	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 2/29/2000
Subject: New photos added to Missouri Pacific Web page

Folks, Today I added some new photos to my Missouri Pacific web page at: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ CNW (UP) 60' gondola CNW 13 rib covered grain hopper CNW cylindrical 4 bay covered hopper CNW (UP) 18 rib covered hopper DRGW 18 rib covered hopper DRGW (UP) 50' gondola KCS Thrall 3 bay covered hopper MP 18 rib 3 bay covered hopper, yes Jerry Glow, this is a MP car, not a UP repaint! <g> TTX (QTTX) heavy duty flat car UP 18 rib 3 bay covered hopper WP (UP) 2 bay airslide Just look for the new icon next to the text. Enjoy -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7375	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines

Wayne Broadhead wrote: > BUT, one problem i have, and i am hopeing that many of you have seen > this and have a fix. The problem is THIS: My Mo Pac engine, when it > runs down the track shakes and vibrates at a very high rate. This > really irritates me when i put it on the line to run. I have the same trouble with my MoPac's. They're extremely noisy, too. My other PA sets do this to varying dergees, but my MoPac is the worst of the lot. Same thing with my Geeps. Odd though, my EP-5's run fine. I had a repair guy I trust look them over, figuring a bent gear shaft or off-center gear. Nope. Apparently, the tolerances in the manufacture of the casting for the power truck are so loose, that the axles are either out of alignment or the axle holes are too large. Either way, he recommended replacing both power truck castings, but there would be no guarantee that the new ones would be any better. I decided to leave them be. I just don't run them. It's a shame, the MoPac set looks nice. But it's this variable running quality that's turned me off from Lionel/Flyer. I won't buy anything from Lionel anymore. If they ever get their act together in regards to Flyer, I'm going to have to see, touch, feel and test run before I buy their product. When I want something in the Hi-Rail vein, I buy American Models or S-Helper Service stuff. May not be "colectable", but that's not what I'm in for. I'm in for personal enjoyment, not some perceived profit-taking in the future. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7376	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Cable Cars

Scott; Glad to here I clicked the right buttons for those photo's. The way I understood this streetcar from Paul was it is a discountinued item from Dept.56. I'm bidding on one right now on Ebay Paul told me about. It was very kind of him to send the photo's and share this. My Ebay ID is bobgaylord. ooops, I forget, did we decide this is evil to share. Anyway Scout, I'm at the top I wish to spend this month so if you want to watch the bid and bid there would be no hard feelings. But I guess this is how to find one. Also a few days ago some of the guys posted about one from Putt Trains and one advertised on the S gaugian. You can find the info on the archives. Sent for the info on this. It'll take awhile. Happy Railroading Bob Wight Scott Brown wrote: > Hi Bob. The pictures came through just fine. That is the > closest I've seen to the cable cars. Did Paule tell you > where you could get one. Or is that a brass one that someone > made ? With a few modifications it could be transformed into > a SF cable car. > > Thanks > Scott Brown > sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7377	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines

In answer to the axle hole problem, Lionel, as part of there advertising for improving the old Flyer chassis promoted this feature as 'wide axle hole bushings', or something similar. In fact, this is a big con, the real reason that the holes are large is all down to assembly in the factory. The axle diameter is 4.06 mm but the diameter of the axle with the knurled centre for the gear is about 4.3mm, so once the chassis has been assembled with the bushings in, you need to pass the axle through with the correct clearance for the knurl, hence oversize bushings. Also the bushings are too small on thickness, just a cheap makeover in my opinion! On a couple of my LTI units I have re-bushed the chassis with beefier bearings and drilled out the axle hole to 4.1. Problem with this is that I have to remove the bearings on one side and assemble the axle/gear first and then push in the bearing afterwards, but they are better for it. As to the noise, just cheap motors and crummy plastic gears etc. Neil T. Rich wrote: I had a repair guy I trust look them over, figuring a bent gear shaft or off-center gear. Nope. Apparently, the tolerances in the manufacture of the casting for the power truck are so loose, that the axles are either out of alignment or the axle holes are too large. Either way, he recommended replacing both power truck castings, but there would be no guarantee that the new ones would be any better.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7378	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble

I like you guys alot, but if you are also bidding on eBay on an item that I want, stay out of my way, because I won't hesitate to bid against you. I ain't proud of it! :-) > "In response to an earlier post stating perhaps we should share our > E-Bay > >identity with each other so we are not running the price up on each > other [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7379	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines

Neil has pointed on more bit of "crazy O" engineering (like die-cast coupler bodies on power pick-up trucks). Just in case you're all not aware of it, ACG axles are stepped. Since I don't have my mic's handy, I can't give you dimensions, but what they are (from memory!) is, starting from the small side: Diameter "A", knurled to nearly Diameter "B" to hold a wheel. Diameter "B" to center gear knurling for the chassis bearing hole. Center knurling to Diameter "C" ( equal to the knurling diameter) for the other side chassis bearing hole to Diameter "A", knurled to diameter "B" to hold the other wheel. A fairly complicated piece, and they made hundreds of thousands of them! (automatic screw machines are marvelous!). So this requires a chassis with holes slightly larger on one side than the other, and insertion of the axles the proper direction into the proper side of the chassis. ACG's workers could do this, I don't know about big L's!! (Wait, I'm not intending to flame or disparage anyone here, just have a bit of fun) This gives you a little bit of insight into ACG's engineering, though. The design work was pretty good 'back when.' Although the diesel motor chassis still needed more "tweaking", IMHO. Big L said, "hmm, this is too much tooling, let's just make the axle holes bigger, no one will notice!" S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7380	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: LTI PA engines

Neil and Dave, Yes, I'm well aware of LTI's engineering(?) and the rebushing remedy. I just don't feel like messing with it when I can get a superior product from American Models and S-Helper Service. From what I've seen in O-Gaugeland, Dick Maddox has been starting to make some improvments in the way Lionel puts out a product. Perhaps some of it will wear off on whatever Flyer they put out. But, I still remain skeptical until I can verify an improved Flyer product out of Lionel. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7381	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: 650 new haven coach on eBay

Just saw this 650 NH coach on eBay. Says. " The scarce and prized". It is NEW/OB and never run. Bids are up to $162.50!!!!! What am I missing here?????? Just curious, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7382	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Greenberg

Boy, too much talk about e-bay. Anyway bought the price guide for flyer and recently bought the guide for Lionel. Why do they include so much more. They list Lionel pre-war and the most commonly purchased items. Why do the shortchange flyer and S-gauge????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7383	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: ebay trouble

Can you believe this guy ! Sounds like one of the rich guys that will out bid everyone and thus raise the prices on a given item. If he pays $400.00 for a Franklin loco does it mean it is worth it. I think not. There will always be a few rich guys bidding against each other for something, to the point they pay 3 or 4 times what the item is worth. And some dealers will up their prices based on this. And then wonder why they can't sell their duplicate item. I have seen it happen. Roger Chuck Harrington wrote: > > From: Chuck Harrington <paketpet@...> > > I like you guys alot, but if you are also bidding on eBay on an item > that I want, stay out of my way,

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7384	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers

Don, About the billboard refers. Do we get to pick out the six that we want? Or are they going to all have the same road name? Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7385	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: New 40' Wooden Billboard Reefers

Dear Dave, You can pick any five. They can all be different or all the same. Either way, the 6th is free (with a deposit of $50 and you order before May 31st). We are offering this deal to help us decide what the ratio of roadnames for this production run. We sometime guess wrong (e.g. The MP "Merchandise Service" Eagle car sold out if a few weeks). We are hoping that the advance orders will help us determine which ones we should increase production. Thank you for your interest. Don T. Dave Ewing wrote: > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Don, > > About the billboard refers. > > Do we get to pick out the six that we want? > Or are they going to all have the same road name? > > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your own free email group on eGroups. > http://click.egroups.com/1/1884/0/_/576498/_/951954779/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7386	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: S gauge now out sells HO and O gauge

PART I S gauge Cars, Trucks and Fire Engines now out sell HO or O gauge. A freind saw this on a web site. I would bet that S now out sells both HO and O combined. So why are we being negative? The S gauge manufactures of buildings should see their sales go through the roof. Can any one find any negatives in this statement? Is this something we can all aggree on? I will give my ideas and offer to help in Part II Jim Sleeth aztecfan@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7387	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 545

Re: Wayne Broadheads problem with the vibrating PA from L. I had the same problem with a SO. Pacific Geep. I sent it back to Lionel. They couldn't fix it so they sent me a new one.......AND the old one back as well..Can't complain about that can we? Anybody want to buy a wobbly Geep? I guess it was/is a quality control problem that is going to hang around. I tried everything I could think of to correct it from shims to washers to epoxy with no luck. Maybe We'll use it for a train wreck on the Club layout at a show sometime. Too bad too, it's the second fastest piece I own. My 372 is the fastest (after a few laps warm-up). Regards to all Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho RMHR, TCA, NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7388	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: Modernism

I have greatly enjoyed this string and I will admit I too am very frustrated by the lack of S Scale models of NEW equipment. It is ironic, if you look at what ACG produced during the early years of AF: the PA's and GPs were just a year or two old when they were produced. Even the UP 4-8-4 and PRR 4-6-2 K-5 were only a few years old when first introduced as "S" on "O" in the late 30's. I think that many of the Flyer enthusiasts that purchase non AF "S", are not as concerned about era as relative size of the item. Cars (or maybe even motive power too) that are too long or tower over their prized AF pieces may not be purchased in the same numbers as equipment that compliments the size as classic AF. I think that is one reason why the PS-2 did so well (the first run BN PS-2s sold out before the PRR & NYC). I am not saying that the plate C items will not be purchased, but the numbers may not be as large and consequently not enough units for MOQ (minimum order quantity). SHS is not as era specific as some may think, yes we do offer a 1920 box car, but our extended vision cabooses was offered by ICC until the 70's and are still knocking around today. Likewise, or 1942 SW-1s are still in use by many private companies. I know I was excited about the prospect of a SD-40-2 and then very disappointed by its withdrawal from the market. Mike and I both purchased SD 50/60s from Overland and reserved GE units from River Raisin (only to see that project canceled). I am looking forward to the coal porters and FMC boxcar from S Scale America. If these sell well, I am sure that other, newer items will be on the market before too long. But, without your support, the releases of additional modern equipment may be delayed. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7389	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: no trouble in E-bay land

It is all about attitude and perspective. Train prices find their level, all on there own, (even on Ebay) and it is foolish to complain about this process. We can either participate in the market, or observe from the sidelines. My perspective is this: People don't overspend for trains, but they often misjudge there condition, or overestimate there scarcity. How often have we been at train shows and seen people asking book value for E condition and their trains are several levels below E condition. How often do we hear complaints about the high prices on Ebay , while the person complaining is judging with a Greenberg Book in hand and forgets that the price guide has two rates - good (translation, complete junk - why do we call it good anyway? good for the sand box?) or excellent. A common engine in new condition becomes rare. A true "mint" or "new in the box" or even E+ has a value all its own. I think we all know that. In my early years as an collector, (early 90's) I obtained some rare pieces. And paid a reasonable premium for the privilege. I had a 5 digit Northern, 5 digit NY Central Set, Defender Set, new in the box link coupler cars ect. I found little pleasure in possessing them, and have sold them. My 332 gives me just the same thrill as my 21139 did, ( I run everything - what is the point of trains in a box? How many people have you bumped into with impressive collections and without layouts to run them on? ) and as long as a train is in the E or E- category, it looks as good as new to me. My layout is about 400 square feet, and the trains on them are colorful, work well, and smell great. That is what matters to me. People are free to peruse the rare stuff, the mint stuff, and the oddball stuff. What ever turns you on. I think we all can obtain 80% of what flyer made on Ebay in nice condition at fair prices. The rare trains and trains in rare condition are for those with the incomes to peruse them. They probably work hard for there incomes, and I envy their buying power, and I'm also happy with what I have. I try not to complain about what I can't afford, I'm happier that way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7390	From: dlich,	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: test

test dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7391	From: dlich,	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: e-bay bargains

ok guys first posting so please bear with me......the other day i purchased a total of 7 cars in 2 lots from a nice fellow in maitoba canada.........i "think" im getting some s-helper and am stuff plus mystery wood caboose.........my total cost 70 dollars us.he rounded the bids down and threw in the shipping!!! i guess its sorta kinda like prospecting when the train arrive i shall advise as to whether i hit gold or ( fools gold) thanks dennis lichtenwalter canton ohio

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7392	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: looking for Dennis Donovan

Dear Denis, Please contact us off the list. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7393	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions

In a message dated 3/1/00 9:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Scale@onelist.com writes: << I stood up and said it at the Worcester business meeting and I'll repeat it here. If the NASG is going to support a National Convention without it being open to the public, they are wasting my dues and yours for NOT promoting S modelling. What better place to promote S than at a nation convention >> It's been said before, but I'll repeat it here again...... for the Worcester NASG convention, we considered a public session for at least one day. The reason we didn't do it was for TAX reasons. As soon as any part of that convention became public, the Mass. tax folks would have been all over us (AND all the vendors in the halls!). In our original discussions and negotiations with the hotel, they themselves were even very cognizant of that and wanted us to be quite clear with them as to whether this was a "closed" or "open" event. This was not a decision to be taken lightly; it would have caused headaches for many folks, and most importantly, for the out-of-state dealers and manufacturers who came to the convention. And if you think it sounds like an exaggeration, it isn't. We've SEEN the tax-people descend on train shows in both Mass. and Conn. and go table-to-table, nailing vendors, confiscating product, and even carting away over-reactors (in their opinion). It's not a pleasant scene. Thus......we had no public session. Period. Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7394	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: OT: Railinc launches Steelroads.com

Sorry for taking up bandwidth. I found this to be interesting and thought that a few others may as well. Michael (aka Cyberj0x on YahooChat) Railinc launches freight traffic site Steelroads.com was designed to make it easier for customers to ship and track freight with more than 300 freight rail carriers. http://www.computerworld.com/home/print.nsf/CWFlash/000301F282 http://www.steelroads.com/steelroads.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7395	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] More NASG

In a message dated 3/1/00 9:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Scale@onelist.com writes: << From: Don Thompson <robin@...> Subject: Re: Convention Silliness!! Dear Richard, I am not sure what Mike is talking about. I do know that the NASG conventions as of late have allowed anyone to attend, but that it was a few bucks more for non NASG members. Don t. >> Don is correct about this too. At Worcester, we DID allow non-members to attend, and as I recall, they paid an extra $5 for the one-day admission. BUT, we did not, and could not, publicly advertise the "show" (i.e, newspaper ads; a sign on the hotel marquis; etc). Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7396	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Landscaping

HI I have progressed quite well with the construction of my layout. The main line and most industry spurs are all in place. Only a small industry section that my wife let me add this past winter needs track. (I have to paint the living room this spring). I have been working on the landscaping and have been using a material called "lychen", I picked up several boxes at a swap meet. Most of the material is soft and flexible, but some is hard and ridgid. Is it just too old to use or can it be "revived?" Any help? Thanks Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7397	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions

portlines@... wrote: > It's been said before, but I'll repeat it here again...... for the Worcester > NASG convention, we considered a public session for at least one day. The > reason we didn't do it was for TAX reasons. As soon as any part of that > convention became public, the Mass. tax folks would have been all over us > (AND all the vendors in the halls!). In our original discussions and > negotiations with the hotel, they themselves were even very cognizant of that > and wanted us to be quite clear with them as to whether this was a "closed" > or "open" event. This was not a decision to be taken lightly; it would have > caused headaches for many folks, and most importantly, for the out-of-state > dealers and manufacturers who came to the convention. > And if you think it sounds like an exaggeration, it isn't. We've SEEN the > tax-people descend on train shows in both Mass. and Conn. and go > table-to-table, nailing vendors, confiscating product, and even carting away > over-reactors (in their opinion). > It's not a pleasant scene. > Thus......we had no public session. Period. Most states will work with convention folks and make it fairly easy to obey the laws and collect the sales tax. We do it every year with the NMRA National Train show, and it does not cause any headaches for us as out-of-state vendors. The folks who bitch the most are the customers who are expecting to avoid paying taxes. If any NASG board members are listening, B.T.S. will gladly do whatever paperwork is needed sales-tax-wise if by doing it we are able to promote S scale better. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7398	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: Re: S gauge now out sells HO and O gauge

JAMES SLEETH wrote: > S gauge Cars, Trucks and Fire Engines now out sell HO or O gauge. A > freind saw this on a web site. I would bet that S now out sells both > HO and O combined. So why are we being negative? The S gauge > manufactures of buildings should see their sales go through the roof. > > Can any one find any negatives in this statement? Is this something > we can all aggree on? Hate to be the one raining on parades, but while that is an impressive statement, it is not relevant to our concerns with trains. Over the last ten years, we have sold thousands of 1:64 trucks and tractor-trailers. However, approximately 80% of these went to folks who 1) did not know that 1:64 trains existed, and 2) did not care. They collected trucks and cars, and in many cases, their range of collecting was limited to specific truck manufacturers, eras, companies, etc. No S scale buildings, trains, figures, etc. were sold to these folks. And yes, we did send literature about S scale trains along with every order shipped. I cannot think of anyone who suddenly got motivated to buy trains to go with their vehicles. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7399	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/1/2000
Subject: New images added at........

Tonight I added a new link to my Missouri Pacific Photo's page, it's called: Railroad Ads from the past. A small amount of ads that I downloaded tonight from Ad*Access. The link is located at the bottom of the second page. http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7400	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: Landscaping

Hi Wayne, Nope, it is not too old to use. There are several techniques and (can you imagine?) opinions about how to go about it. In the trade press, I have often seen discussions about reviving lichen. They say to dip the old stuff in a warm solution of water and glycerin. Allow it to dry and the material will stay supple. Supple is recommended by these folks because parts will tend to not break off if bumped - once the trees and bushes are on the layout. At a recent show I saw a demo and bought some stuff to do this procedure: Place appropriately colored ground foam into a large, strong, plastic bag - one-gallon size seems a good minimum. Dip the armature (lichen or dried weeds) into a solution of dilute glue. Then, hold the wet proto-tree in the bag and shake the whole thing. The ground foam will stick to the glue and refoliate your model. I bought a bunch of Autumn colors at the show. I have also applied ground foam using two other techniques. Either spray or dip the old lichen and then sprinkle ground foam on it. Some use hair spray - I have used spray glues. I have dipped in dilute white glue (although matte medium or the new Woodland Scenics bottled glue might be better). As a final touch, you might hold the tree upside down and apply dark green. Allow it to dry. then make a second application with the tree right side up. This time, use a dusting of lighter green. The results are excellent. If you wish, contact me offline for the name of the autumn color ground foam. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 11:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Landscaping >From: Wayne Zebron <zebbie@...> > >HI >I have progressed quite well with the construction of my layout. The main >line and most industry spurs are all in place. Only a small industry >section that my wife let me add this past winter needs track. (I have to >paint the living room this spring). >I have been working on the landscaping and have been using a material >called "lychen", I picked up several boxes at a swap meet. Most of the >material is soft and flexible, but some is hard and ridgid. Is it just too >old to use or can it be "revived?" Any help? Thanks > >Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7401	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Lichen

- Greeting`S' - Wayne asked about reviving very dry lychen or lichen. While my computer has RAM and ROM, I have RIM (randomly inaccessible memory). Faintly I recall that ethylene glycol (permanent anti-freeze) will soak right into lichen and keep it flexible for many moons. The idea probably came from an article in Model Railroader, tho I would not know where to find it. `Do not let the animals drink out of the soaking bowl.' Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7402	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@clev.frb.org	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: B&O SW-9 for sale

Gentlemen, I have acquired a S Helper Service SW-9 in a recent trade. It is lettered for the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad and has a road number of 602. As you know, this highly desirable, collector's edition paint scheme has been sold out. I'm asking a mere $180 plus shipping which is less than the manufacturer's list price. (Sorry about that, Don.) To my friends on the S-Scale list: Please be assured that by purchasing this locomotive, you will be supporting the growth of S (if that is what you want) AND you will be supporting the growth of modern modeling (since they are still in service) AND you will be supporting transition era modeling (since that is when they were built) PLUS your self-esteem will be enhanced, you'll build better models and your track will stay cleaner. Honest. Thanks, Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7403	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Restoring lichen.

Wayne, I don't remember where I read this about 45 years ago, but one can restore lichen by dipping it into glycerin or carefully brushing the glycerin on the hardened lichen. Note the use of the word "careful." It goes without saying that if one is not careful the lichen will disintegrate. I hope you enjoy painting the living room as much as you enjoy the industrial addition to your layout. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7404	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Modernism & marketing

Interesting discussions on cost of tooling and need for deep pockets to risk funds to make "modern" equipment. Don't forget that even when ACG tooled up to make the Alcos and the GPs, they compromised on scale so that both units could share the same power truck assembly. I don't know how correct the Alco truck dimensions are, but I know the GP trucks are closer to SD truck length! (and if L were listening, they'd realize new sideframe tooling would give them a "new" locomotive!--but I digress). This saved them enormous amounts of tooling, assembly training, and spare parts inventory. As to showing the SHS sets at train shows, yes, great idea, but the real hope I have is to see (well, since I won't be there, read about) them being shown at the "normal" toy shows where they can wow the non-train oriented public--trains are very popular with the general public right now, it is an opportune moment to capture market share, and find new markets! However, as I type this, I realize I have no idea what it costs to "get in the door" at these shows, that may take deep pockets too! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7405	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: eBay

To the non eBay folks...Delete now!! #1- I guess what threw me was the term "scarce and prized", thought maybe it had Gilbert's signature on the bottom or somethin'!! #2-I can see Chuck's point on bidding, He "likes us but will bid against us". If you see something you like and want it, I can't see backing down for someone else. Course I have limited funds so it wouldn't be hard to beat ME!! #3-Collector or operator, If you want to pay 2, 3, or 4 times what it's worth, it's your dough, and if YOU'RE happy with what you payed......to each their own! #4-I've gotten several things off of eBay, fair prices I believe. May be far from mint, but....I didn't have 'em in my collection before and I like to run 'em!! Everyone take care, Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7406	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions

In support of Doug and others about TAX laws. New Jersey also cracked down on vendors about 5 years ago at the Greenberg Shows and dealers have shyed away from those shows as well. Our 2001 NASG Convention may be in Steamtown, PA. Perhaps we could have an open day for dealers there. Actually much of our displays will be in public areas at Steamtown. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7407	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Scenery

I have reduced the number of magazine subscriptions I receive, so now I am only 3 months behind, rather than 6 months, and so it is that I discover that amidst all the chatter, an S scale narrow gauge modeling article has appeared in Mainline Modeler, November 1999. Don Ledger presents Forest Modeling - Part One. The trees, shrubbery, wildflowers, and grass in his forest scene are absolutely astounding. I look forward to catching up on more of my reading, so I can see more of his work in the subsequent issues. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7408	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Ok last year we saw the fanfare and raza mataz that accompanied the Defection from Bachman to Lionel by "whats his name" (sticks inmy mind so because of all the new releases!!) This was supposed to usher ina new era , and so fresh "S" !! Ay body know if they have shot the horse yet!! I'm not talking rehashed paint jobs...Im talking NEW product...for the NEW generation of S folk. Or does the same smell emminate from this company!! Id be the first to applaud if they were to roll out some new stuff...maybe something that had some relevance to the current day...it would be landmark for all S people...is any body still caring about S at ol' Lionel...does any body know?? >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7409	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: NASG Conventions

Withall due respect to efforts of all concerned, and arguably I have very little in the way of attendance experience at conventions...BUT.. Why necessarily do there need to be vendors at the times of Public viewing. Yes I understand that they are there to sell stuff...but I always (silly me) thought the primary function of a convention come exhibition was that...to exhibit..to educate...to expose !! Let the people see for hecks sake!! Sowhat if the vendors dont sell...they can show...they are still going to see to the convetion atendees aret they?? Or have I missed some point...does Convention = Swapmeet We have exhibitions downhere where the primary focus is on letting people have a look. LOOK = Interest = potential modelers = sales. Rome wasnt built in a day!! There's nothing stopping merchandisers from having info to hand out..GRATIS. Hey guys ...lets be the freindly scale...not the secret one!! cheers >:~)) Richard Glenn Ritter wrote: > > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > > In support of Doug and others about TAX laws. > New Jersey also cracked down on vendors about > 5 years ago at the Greenberg Shows and dealers > have shyed away from those shows as well. > Our 2001 NASG Convention may be in > Steamtown, PA. Perhaps we could have an > open day for dealers there. Actually much of > our displays will be in public areas at Steamtown. > > Staying on the NPSG branchline > of NASG track, Glenn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952041693/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7410	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: modern stuff

On the subject of modern stuff. I think I wrote somewhere in the Dispatch that "modern" isn't being defined by those who desire modern. For example, what is a modern diesel to you. Is it an SD70Mac or is it a GP38?? Is a modern boxcar a 40 footer with short ladders and no roofwalks or a 60 footer produced in the late '80s. A modern shortline diesel might be an SW9 (which we have in S in plastic). A modern mainline diesel could be a still-in-service U36C or it could be a Dash 8. Manufacturers obviously want locos which are compatible to at least some of their rolling stock, therefore the early on choices for them if producing a "modern" diesel would be selling other products too. Next, which "modern" diesel would sell more - one such as a U23B or a GP38 which can date back to the 40' car era and still be used on today's shortlines; or Dash 8, which while current has several drawbacks: size, radii needed, and lack of freight car variety (although that isn't really too bad if you check the catalogs). I also pointed out that those in S who would desire to model bigtime mainline railroads would most likely have to consider a large layout with wide radius curves (45" plus) because there are rarely any 40' cars running. Jeff Madden ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7411	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: S Scale America

I mentioned S Scale America in my last e-mail message. Several of you have asked me about who they are: S Scale America is now owned by Ron Sebastian of Des Plaines Hobbies. He now has both three bay outside braced, open top hoppers (PRR H-39) in about 12 roanames and a type 27 10,000 gal. tank car in about 10 roadnames. These are all ready to run and I purchased several of each for my and my parner Mike's railroad. Ron expects RTR Coal Porters and 50' FMC double door boxcars later this year. These items and many more can be found at: http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/products.html Don T. Rosiep3@... wrote: > Don, > > You made reference to "S Scale America". Never heard of it. Please educate > me. > > Thanx, Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7412	From: John Craft	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] modern stuff

> On the subject of modern, I once teased Larry Jackman that when he did his surveys on modern in 'S' he didn't realize that they defined modern as "Kennedy was president" JohnC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7413	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] NASG conventions]

From: portlines@... If the NASG is going to support a National > Convention without it being open to the public, they are wasting my dues > and yours for NOT promoting S modelling. What better place to promote S > than at a nation convention >> AMEN ! > As soon as any part of that > convention became public, the Mass. tax folks would have been all over us > (AND all the vendors in the halls!). Perhaps if the admission was free or by donation. Isn't NASG nonprofit ? Admission could be donatated to the sponsering club ? YES/NO ? Most of The vendors wouldn't mind the tax as long as they make sales. hold the convention just North into NH , No sales tax. :o) Roger "S"wing and "S"way the "S" guage way . HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7414	From: James Roberts	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

>Ok last year we saw the fanfare and raza mataz that accompanied the Defection >from Bachman to Lionel by "whats his name" (sticks inmy mind so because of all >the new releases!!) Today a new 116 page catalog came from the "L" people. It has one page of "THOMAS the tank engine", and has the "Large scale Christmas set" No "S" at all, all the three rail stuff. What does that say? >This was supposed to usher ina new era , and so fresh "S" !! > >Ay body know if they have shot the horse yet!! >>:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7415	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

James Roberts wrote: > > Today a new 116 page catalog came from the "L" people. > It has one page of "THOMAS the tank engine", and has the "Large scale > Christmas set" > No "S" at all, all the three rail stuff. > What does that say? says it al really!! :-(((((( Just as i always thought Big L is playing keepings off!! They dont give a rat's about S...just want to keep a lid on it should anyone more adventurous get a hold of it!! Ah well....back to the drawing board!! nurse...more meds...the strong stuff this time cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7416	From: Richard	Date: 3/2/2000
Subject: The numbers game...Modern Modelers

Yo guys !!...... actually , digressing are there any lady modelers on this list..just curious!! I was chewing the ear off another lister,and I came up with some interesting figures re numbers etc. This info is taken straight off Model Railroader's survey ..so it stands a chance of being fairly accurate :-)) <this snipped fromanother email> Irv had it down pat...shame he didnt go S instead of HO eh!! I realy feel that S is the perfect size... ihave a freind who does O (indeed I came to S via O and P:48) and its really tempting...but HO is too too small ..once youve tasted S...but even I can walk intoa store here and see all the lovely Weaverand Atlas O equipment...and its moving well..here!! tlas has , as indeed has BAchmann for some time ralised that the modeling market is quite keen to branchout into new areas...many HOers wee only there because thats al that there was!! But along came G, #1 On30 etc and the consumers got into a frenzy taking it off the shelves. The American market alone is estimated at somewhere between 250000 and 300000 serious modellers...ie those who consider it a primary hobby.... of these only 1.1% consider S as their No1 interst with a total of near 4% having anything at all to do with the scale. Compare that to 2.3% and 10 % for G(n3) or 5% and 13% for 0. Are we missing the boat or what!! Now heres an interesting stat ...eras... Prior to 1900 2% 1900-1933 7% 1934-1945 13% 1946-1960 44% 1961-1971 11% 1972-1989 7% 1990 to present 16% well its pretty certain that there arent too many S scalers making up the last two categories and bloody few making up the 61-71 either!! Now some math two most recent eras =23%...thats at least 57500 modelers in this time frame...guess how many are S...talk about giving away the farm!! Even 5% of these would add over 2800 to the clan...and gee that looks just like enough to do a run of a loco....bloody amazing isnt it!! Sure you can make statistics say what you like ...but there is some serious evidence that we are ignoring the real potential area of growth for S..the MODERN MODELER !! have to get stronger meds.. Nurse NURSE!! >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7417	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New set-up

Whoa! What happened at the list here?? New format!! Not sure if I like it!! I don't get the posts through my email {though I might start again!}. Always liked going to the site and scrolling down through the digest. I've been trying to catch up on all the digests, still had about 400 to go!!! Now I have to click on each post to read then hit "back"! Looks like the posts are being posted sooner though.{the new ones} I'm sure I'll survive but it's gonna take me longer to catch up on all the old digests! If there is another way to get to the older digests, please let me know. Rick. {sometimes I'm not good at changes} :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7418	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Another encouraging stat...NOT!!

Those using as a primary scale add up Z, #1 and Other!! @ .3%,.3% and .6% respectively ...compared to S at 1.1% :-(((( Boy ..were in the big league huh!! just makes you wonder!! cheers (I think) >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7419	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New set up

Ok, I got it figured out and I'm back on "track"! I won't bore you all anymore about it, I promise! There's no longer digest numbers, just message numbers. I'm now on message #1362 out of 7,418 messages! Wow!!! Only took me an hour to figure this all out! Coulda been dusting some trains!! I'm not good with changes but this new set-up is cool. Guess ya gotta give things a chance! I think Richard's bored down under! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7420	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Richard Snook wrote: > Ok last year we saw the fanfare and raza mataz that accompanied the Defection > from Bachman to Lionel by "whats his name" (sticks inmy mind so because of all > the new releases!!) I think we have to reakize here that what Dick Maddox has to address first and formost is the O gauge line. Lionel has lost a great portion of its business to MTH, and to a lesser extent K-Line, Weaver Atlas O and Williams. From an O gauge perspective, the Lionel catalogs are looking more promising, but I don't believe Lionel has turned the corner yet. There is still a lot of bad feelings about Lionel from the O crowd, and they've been wooed by their competitors. Dick Maddox is making business decisions, and American Flyer is not a great portion of Lionel's business. The only thing Lionel has had going for it in the past few years is its Electronics. TMCC seems to be a hit with O gaugers and Railsounds IS the best sound system currently on the market. But challenges in this area are coming soon from MTH. So what does this have to do with Flyer? Everything. Lionel must currently expend all its resources reviving the O gauge line, other wise, there won't be a Lionel. No Lionel, No Flyer. And if Lionel were to go under again, it will take Flyer with it. I don't think there would be a "garage sale" of the company at that point. The investment company that owns Lionel is just that, and they will not likely let the company go under any circumstances at a loss. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7421	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions

Hi Michael, Just a fact of life. Some dealers work out of the flea market or yard sale attitude. When asked to record cash sales and pay 6% or 7% tax they would rather not. Then they have the paperwork of sending in the tax. Some States do not pursue flea markets for taxes. Glenn Michael A. Scivoletti wrote: Be prepared, I am going to shoot off my mouth again!! Forgive me all, I seem to be missing something here: 1. Very few hobby shops carry S that I am aware of in New Jersey. I do not know about elsewhere. I get the S Gaugian and I use to get the S/Sn3 Modelling Guide. Sorry folks, but there is not a whole lotta shop carrying S here in the USA!! The S Helper Service list of dealers is not all that big either, so how do we show and sell???? 2. From what I am reading from Glenn, Doug and maybe someothers, dealers want to sell their products only if they do not have to comply with the local tax laws?. 3. We want to promote by showing our stuff, but we are willing to allow a potentail customer/future modeller of S walk away without the ability to buy. Sounds like, and forgive the connection, a strip tease show. Make them drool, but you can not buy the product while I have your attention because I do not want to bother collecting the sales tax I am required to do!! Where am I wrong, and I apolozie in advance to any feathers I have ruffled!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7422	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: New set-up

Rick Evans says: >Always liked going to the site and scrolling down through the digest. Now I have to click on >each post to read then hit "back"! I have not seen this. I am still scrolling the digest form. The only thing that has changed on mine is the menu which no longer displays a link to get to the archives. I check this list every day, but todays posts are on threads I am not familiar with. I feel like I must have missed a day or two. I wanted to go back and see the previous days, but there is no link. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7423	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ballest

FYI; Earlier we had a post about a new "S" ballast that was on e_bay. Well it also was on chocho auctions and I was one of the bidders. I lost the bid but the seller said he would sell me some at my bid. So I did. Anyway I think the stuff myself is great. But that's what I think. But what I liked the most of this ballast was the individual that has it. His name is George Blum and his email is GPMLG@.... George is a wonderful person and a real joy to deal with. That's what I myself look for in purchasing product. Anyway the stuff is 95 cents a pound plus shipping. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7424	From: dlich,	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: taxes

hey guys without getting political! as you know many of our dealers and suppliers are "part time" and do not fill out a schedule C form with their income taxs.........also in ohio to collect sales tax you must have a vendors license and fill out a form recording sales.........additionally you have a quarterly report on sales to complete.......now if you were a part time dealer would you really want to do all this?? thank goodness most conventions that are held in ohio the vendor tables are left alone by the local tax people! my pennys worth dennis lichtenwalter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7425	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Flyer in the city of Angels?

I will have a couple of hours after arriving in LAX on my way to Irvine for business later this month and was wondering if anyone had suggestions on where to stop in for anything train related, especially good train stores with S-gauge/American Flyer. Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7426	From: Chris Zizzo	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New landscaping options

S-Trainiacs: Yesterday, I stopped in at "The Caboose" in Huntington, here on Long Island. (Is Caboose the most frequently used train term in hobby shop names?) Charlie, the 92 year old owner, used to have a vast operation, but he has scaled it down in a smaller space now that he has outlived his wife/partner and all his employees. He specializes in Marklin HO, with a few odds and ends from other scales and makers. He had an interesting product from Woodland Scenics called Subterrain. It is a system of styrofoam risers and ramps for the understructure of roadbed. They come in uniform heights at 1/2", 1", 2" & 4". There are two grade systems, one at 2% and one at 4%, each running 16 feet (Eight 2 foot sections.) Additionally, there are packages of eight initial grade sections in both 2% & 4%. The concept is that you start on a flat plywood base and lay out your right of way with the foam risers. You can use the ramps to vary the grade. This gets all your track well above the flat support surface and, in effect, works similarly to an open frame system. You can landscape both up and down from the track level. The curves are cleverly designed to fit any radius as the foam has been cut in a way to be flexible. The box printing only mentions scales once, referring to HO and N. The photos show N trains, but the track looks lost, like the supports could easily handle a two track main. The foam is 2.5 inches wide. A piece of Lionel 0 gauge, that Charlie had available, fit on it and with a little room to spare. This stuff has to be able to handle S. The price was about $12.50 for a 16 foot set of 2% ramps (full support all the way up and down a perfect slope) topping at 4 inches. If you have a Walther's 2000 Catalog, you can find it on page 348. Does anyone have any experience with this product? Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7427	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: More on new scenery

I went to the Walther's site and got a complete list on that foam product. Here is the address: http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?manu=Woodland%20Scenics&item=&words=rest rict&split=30&category=Scenery&scale=&instock=Q&keywords=Subterrain&start=0 You will need to paste the whole thing into your browser. Once there, ignore the first item, #929. Click on the blue highlighted risers and inclines. There are pictures. BTW, when I said page 348, that is in the Walther's HO book. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7428	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: New 0-6-0 has been tested.

Howdy Friends We received the sample of the E.B.T. Baldwin 0-6-0 this week, and have run the little critter's wheels off over the last two days! Our builder did a great job on this model, and several folks have commented that it looks better than a brass import! In answer to some of the questions we have received.... Minimum radius - 24". It doesn't look good going around it, but it did not protest. It would probably go lower, but we didn't bend the flex track any tighter. We also gave it a torture test - half a dozen pieces of American Models' 27" radius track linked back-to-back to form multiple 'S' curves, and it performed without a hitch. It scooted in and out of my Old Pullman #4 switches without any problems. Sorry, I didn't have an American Models' switch to test. Speed range - At 12 volts, it covered 10' of straight track from a standing start in just under 8 seconds... makes me think of my old drag racing days; that was a bit slower than the time my 1965 'Cuda did in the quarter mile! While I never claimed to be a math major, that seems to work out at 80 scale feet per second... which I believe is about 55 scale mph. Slow speed without break-in is about a scale mile per hour on semi-dirty track. Very acceptable ranges. Weight - Since it is a pewter loco, even with its small size, weight is not a problem! Weight on drivers is 15.5 ozs. No idea about maximum load yet... got to dig more cars out of the boxes and play some more! Thanks, and take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7429	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes

But are they not breaking the law????????? larry "dlich," wrote: > From: "dlich," <dlich@...> > > hey guys without getting political! > as you know many of our dealers and suppliers are "part time" and do not > fill out a schedule C form with their income taxs.........also in ohio to > collect sales tax you must have a vendors license and fill out a form > recording sales.........additionally you have a quarterly report on sales to > complete.......now if you were a part time dealer would you really want to > do all this?? > thank goodness most conventions that are held in ohio the vendor tables are > left alone by the local tax people! my pennys worth dennis lichtenwalter > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/5/_/494531/_/952093646/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7430	From: john foley	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: NASG Conventions

Message: 7 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:55:17 -0500 From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> Subject: Re: NASG Conventions In support of Doug and others about TAX laws. New Jersey also cracked down on vendors about 5 years ago at the Greenberg Shows and dealers have shyed away from those shows as well. Our 2001 NASG Convention may be in Steamtown, PA. Perhaps we could have an open day for dealers there. Actually much of our displays will be in public areas at Steamtown. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Hi Glenn You hit the nail on the head. We are planning on an open day for the convention at Steamtown. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7431	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 547

>Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 11:34:53 +1100 > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> >Subject: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-( > >Ok last year we saw the fanfare and raza mataz that accompanied the >Defection >from Bachman to Lionel by "whats his name" (sticks inmy mind so because of >all >the new releases!!) > >This was supposed to usher ina new era , and so fresh "S" !! > >Ay body know if they have shot the horse yet!! > >I'm not talking rehashed paint jobs...Im talking NEW product...for the NEW >generation of S folk. > >Or does the same smell emminate from this company!! > >Id be the first to applaud if they were to roll out some new stuff...maybe >something that had some relevance to the current day...it would be landmark >for all S people...is any body still caring about S at ol' Lionel...does >any >body know?? > > >:~)) Richard > > For what it's worth, alot of the dealers have sold out of the SF GP9, caboose, and Tank-Train (Scenery Unltd, Chas Ro). Not surprising that there isn't any Flyer in L's "Centenial" catalog. GO SHS and AM!!! Gregg Mummert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7432	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Flea mkt. taxes

Been some talk on taxes at shows and flea markets. Never have understood the " double" taxing thing! Do retailers pay taxes when they buy their products and then re-sell the product and tax the item again?? Our local flea mkt. is now requiring a seller's permit. most people just sell junk but a lot of new items have showed up.{ beanie babies, poke mon, hot wheels etc.} So if you buy a Hot Wheel for a $1.00 {retail} and sell it for $2.00, That item has been taxed two times! Of course a lot of people fudge on how much they sell. If you're selling new stuff at your cost just to get rid of it, You're not making a dime, but all the paper work to show the state!! Just another control issue by state govt. Not sure how this all works at the trains shows. Sounds like it's getting to be the same way! I used to re-sell hot wheels alttle but haven't got my permit yet for the flea mkt. I've got quite a few to un-load!! Hey, anyone need cars for their layout???? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7433	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 547

that ethylene glycol (permanent anti-freeze) will soak right into lichen and keep it flexible for many moons. Wouldn't reccommend if you are fond of cats. Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats. JOhn Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7434	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: MTH Coaling Tower

Joe's Train Repair is pleased to offer the MTH reproduction of the American Flyer Coal Loader for $135, including shipping in the continental United States. Taxes are extra for North Carolina residents. This reproduction coal loader (listed as MTH #30-9043) is a faithful reproduction of the American Flyer 785/23785 Coal Loader and, contrary to the MTH catalog, will have the same dimensions as the original American Flyer version. This accessory is listed as $149.95 retail, so to ensure this price orders must be received by March 10th. Payment is due before delivery, which is expected to be in October. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7435	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ethylene glycol

Awhile back there was some posts about "how to get rid of cat hair on layout." Hmmmmmm............. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7436	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ethylene glycol / lichen

In addition to being toxic, doesn't ethylene glycol strip paint? If the dry lichen at issue was professionally treated, it was soaked in a solution of glycerine and water. All it probably needs is to have a little plain water misted or sprayed on it with a spray bottle. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7437	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ethylene glycol

This stuff is bad for humans also. Can make you sick, go blind or if you prefer Kill you Larry Rick Evans wrote: > From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> > > Awhile back there was some posts about "how to get rid of cat hair on layout." > Hmmmmmm............. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952119193/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7438	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Wy not us??

eSSers all!! This is not meant to depress anyone..actually think positively..we might even get it one day!! :-)) Food for thought ..this list is not complete and its only locos..it would upset too many to list the rollingstock!! GP7 GP9 GP38-2 SD40-2 F3 F7 RS3 U25B 20 Tonner 44 Tonner FA1 FA2 NW2 +calf Rogers 2-4-2 2-6-0 Pacific 4-6-2 NYC J3a Hudson a lil 0-4-0 steamer & a critter diesel switcher Not a bad selection eh!!...its all ready to run plastic!! What scale??.... "O" uh-uh ...its all #1 scale !! yep that small percentage group..about .3%...not even a full 1% :-(( of the total modelling world has all that and ..again..the rollingstock selection will make you cry. prices...some stuff is dearer yes..some is on a on a par...and much can be had for less than equivalent S. This is not designed to have a go at any existing or other manufactuerer in S...but it does make you wonder how a group with less than one third the following of S can be going so well??? Is it them or us!! cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7439	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New landscaping options

> He had an interesting product from Woodland Scenics called > Subterrain. It is a system of styrofoam risers and ramps for the > understructure of roadbed. They come in uniform heights at 1/2", 1", > 2" & 4". There are two grade systems, one at 2% and one at 4%, each > running 16 feet (Eight 2 foot sections.) Additionally, there are > packages of eight initial grade sections in both 2% & 4%. > If you've ever seen the S Helper Service sales display, then you've seen this stuff. They use it to create an over & under figure 8. The S Helper track is just about an exact fit for it. At Saint Paul, I think that they ended up promoting Woodland Scenics about as much as the Showcase Line. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7440	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Convention

In a message dated 3/3/00 5:21:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Hold the convention just North into NH , No sales tax. :o) >> Roger----Sounds like an offer to organize and run a national convention ! ???????? :o) :o) :o)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7441	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flea mkt. taxes

OK, here in CA, (since I have a resale permit here, I know a small bit of how it works--the permit is for piano parts mostly, but I've used it in my repair "business" too) The way it works, if a reseller buys product that he pays tax on, he can report the payment of that tax to the State (Board of Equalization) as a credit towards the tax he/she collects on the sale of products. So, no, you don't pay tax twice, although you have lots of fun doing paperwork!! CA can be a pain on swap meet taxation too. Usually you have to fill out a form, with Driver's license number and you can state that you are only an "occasional seller" and be exempted--or report your sales as a dealer, and have to keep track of them so that at the end of the year, the proper local tax part goes to that district (State sales tax here has a local part as well as a state part, the local varies, especially in transit districts, like BART)--more pain in the b..... I think "Occasional" means no more than twice a year. Keeping track of sales during a meet is a pain in the b... as I'm also making deals to buy, so who knows what I sold or purchased. I usually go home with as much or more stuff than I left home--and less money too. For some reason Linda no longer believes the story that I trade trains and fix trains to support my train habit. . . . Ohh, did I just see some old, rusty locomotive parts go by, uh, later!.. . . . . S' David "junkman" Dewey (3rd generation packrat)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7442	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Reviving Lichen--Anti-freeze & cats

Hmmm. 100 and 2 uses for a dead cat!! ;-) Also deadly to other things too, and I doubt if paint will want to stick to it either. Surely there is something else that works.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7443	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] modern stuff

Dear John, You are close, modern is anything that was produced after steam died in the 50's Don T. John Craft wrote: > From: John Craft <rrdart@...> > > > > > On the subject of modern, I once teased Larry Jackman that when he did his surveys > on modern in 'S' he didn't realize that they defined modern as "Kennedy was > president" > > JohnC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/5/_/494531/_/952050149/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7444	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Wy not us??

Don I understand your point..you seemed to have missed mine..actually all the locos are either 1:29 or 1:32...I left off the Gn3 stuff deliberately. The very fact that as there is no real concensus on who or what #1 scale is, the jury is still out as to who'll win out :-)) For the record as far as the NMRA is concerned #1 scale is 1:32 , 1:29 is "A" scale...as it happens they both seem to use 45mmm track..though strictly its only correct for #1 The list mentioned was composed of USA Trains and Aristo Craft Product only....no LGB...that only adds fuel to the fire!! Don I beg to differ wiith you in respect to any authenticty issues re the #1 and A scale equipment versus Flyer...as a scale model A AF GP9 isnt really even close now is it!! The very fact that these companies can produce such a plethora of product given that there is not the uniformity of approach that exists in "S" only adds weight to my questio..."why not us" We have over 3 times the numbers of this (these) groups ..and WE dont have GP38-2's ...SD40-2's...a U25B....not even a RTR 44 Tonner....they do!! Sure we have a few that they dont...but Id rather their selection than ours!! :-)) Also ..and heres the rub ...I bet you its a far easier ask to get the man in the street to first find..and secondly to buy the "bigger " stuff as compared to S scale. cheers >:~)) Richard Don Thompson wrote: > > Dear Richard, > The list you published below looks an awful lot like the G GAUGE stuff that > is made to 1:22 1/2, 1:24, 1: 29 and/or 1:32 scale. > The truth is the original S Scale AF that ACG produced 50 years ago is > actually closer to scale models that the group of mismatches below.......... > ............Exactly what is #1 scale? > > Richard wrote: > > > > > > > GP7 GP9 > > GP38-2 SD40-2 > > F3 F7 > > RS3 U25B > > 20 Tonner 44 Tonner > > FA1 FA2 > > NW2 +calf > > Rogers 2-4-2 2-6-0 > > Pacific 4-6-2 NYC J3a Hudson > > a lil 0-4-0 steamer & > > a critter diesel switcher

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7445	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: removing cat hair

The Question was"Awhile back there was some posts about "how to get rid of cat hair on layout." The answer is"Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats." It looks like these two posts must have crossed in the mail. Seems awfull simple doesn't it?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7446	From: Richard	Date: 3/3/2000
Subject: Ok ok ok

OK Re "Why not us" The AF geep is a GP7 (sort of ) ...and its not a bad effort at a geep...but I wouldn't clasify it as a good scale model!! :-)) Im not having a go at Flyer..it was only a point of comparison!! :-)) P.S I will be only too happy for any critique of my "to be released" switcher!! Those of you who are Flyer fans and run "other" HiRail....who'd buy a modern hirail loco....like a GP38-2 or a SD40-2?? cheers ..back to the trains >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7447	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Trains & Movies

I just finished watching "October Sky", a film about the early life of Homer Hickham and based on his book "Rocket Boys." Born and raised on the property of a West Virginia coal mining operation, Homer got swept up in the fever surrounding the 1957 launch of Sputnik and set his sights on the stars. I recommend the film for several reasons, not the least of which is the filmmakers ability immerse you in the story and care about the characters. However, there is an extraordinary appeal here for railfans by virtue of the oft repeated sots of varied steam powered coal drags. These are mostly short transition shots, to be sure, but they are handled with obvious love and care. I felt sure that the director must be a railfan. In one scene, the boys are ripping up track on an abandoned spur because they need the steel. Suddenly they hear a whistle, panic, and run to flag the train which passes harmlessly onto a new main. The bemused old engineer waves at the boys. Later, I saw in the credits that the hogger was played by no one less than O. Winston Link, the famous rails photographer. It was this kind of loving homage which informed all the rail shots. Rent it today! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7448	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: taxes

If you stop to think about the tax issue getting the liscense is not that bad and your expenses are all deductable ,mileage depreciation on your vehicle your cost for table rental your meals your stay in that nice hotel while on the road and you only have to show a profit and pay tax every four years. I have been I a number of businesses over the past 20 years and The hassel of keeping the records and fileing the forms has more than paid for the time it took to do it. If everyone paid his fair share we would all pay less taxes. it is simple to get the necessary to get the necessary paperwork Pa the show promoter should be able to help you get it from the state dept of revinue And if you have the proper paperwork you don't have to be looking over your shoulder or running out the back door sometime at a show. Have Fun Keep on runnin your trains! Joe JOEAWOOD@... {E-BAY JOEAFLYER} OPERATOR Not a dealer If I resell it, I have one or can"t use the peice. Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7449	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: "new" s-gauge

Richard, You asked if any Hi Railers would run "modern" stuff. I have spent 30 years building a credible layout set in October 1960. Despite the fact that I am willing to "suspend reality" to allow for AF flanges, oversize talgo mounted couplers and tight radius curves, I am not willing to go for more "modern stuff". I have nothing against it, I've just invested too much time and effort into creating an illusion of 1960, and the two things that blow the illusion of being in October 1960 the most are newer autos and rolling stock. Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7450	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes

joeawood@... wrote: > From: joeawood@... > > The hassel ofkeeping the records and fileing the forms has more than paid for > the time it > took to do it. If everyone paid his fair share we would all pay less taxes. > it is simple to get the necessary to get the necessary paperwork Pa the show > promoter should be able to help you get it from the state dept of revinue > And if you have the proper paperwork you don't have to be looking over your > shoulder or running out the back door sometime at a show. Not bitching here, but get a grip. Respectfully, I hope that you are kidding. Everyone paid his fair share?????? Perhaps it is because I live in Maryland I have a different perspective that may only be shared by those in MA or NJ BUT: You pay for a licensee. You pay taxes already on EVERYTHING that you buy for the business whether it is for inventory or and assets or lunch or gas. You pay tax on the assets in MD and in many places the inventory also. If you make enough money you pay taxes on your earnings, If you don't make money they take their share anyway. As for "fair share" talk to me in 2 months after tax freedom day. At least the mob gave us Sinatra. John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7451	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: era-particular??

Thanks Tom!! Howdy all...sorry to chew up so much bandwidth..just a very curious fellow..I could probably get answers to most of my curiosity witha decent trip over..but for now..Ill keepplugging away...so if you'll bear with me!! This may seem incredulously naieve, but with respect to most folk that run Hirail, which of course includes the AF crowd...is it typical to remain era concious..or domany folk run what ever they fancy. I realise there is not much in the way of anything modern...but as as I asked before would modern outline equipment look out of place, or indeed not be welcome on most layouts.?? To put it another way...should hell freeze over and Lionel decide to issue a F59PH towing some doubledeck viewliners or similar under the American Flyer name, would they be OK to run...because they're Flyer, but if someone else were to do the same , would that be tainting the collection?? I have no idea (see you all suspected it all along!!) about the typical viewpoints or such of the Flyer-HiRail crowd...we really just dont have it down here!! :-( cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7452	From: John Denholm	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: DC A-F Trains

Hi guys and gals; well were sure having fun now I have decided to switch some of my locos over to DC and this is great, first off I went and did it went on "The Auction" and finally won I got a Gilberts rectifier #15 Now the neat thing is the Transformer I have is a Tech 11 027 Guage which means with the Rectifier I can bounce back and forth from AC to DC neat aye :) My Question is---> Can I install in a A-F Tender and Ring a Lionel Bell Ringer That came out of a Lionel Tender [which has a off on switch] as there are only 2 wires 1 Hot and 1 Ground is it possible to run this on DC or AC American Flyer? without frying my Bell ringer motor? Any Help would be Appreciated Thanks <jde> John Denholm.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7453	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES

I want to clarify that in my original post about the Worcester convention, I was not advocating the avoidance of sales taxes. I collect them myself, and have to make monthly payments to our wonderful Governor, plus annual payments in two other states. And I've gotten into hassles with customers because I'm collecting tax. I've even been verbally and loudly threatened in the middle of a show because I added tax, which "nobody else in this show is collecting". (BTW---the show at which that happened was the massive West Springfield, MA, show, which many of you are familiar with. Over 20,000 people go through that 2-day show each year. But I'm "the only dealer there collecting tax" . Right! ) My point was that for dealers coming into the state for one time only, or for the "little guy" who wants a table to just clear some excess items from his layout, the sales tax people-----at least in MA and CT----- are a hassle. They will visit your table after you've set up, and ask to see your sales tax certificate. OK; that's fine. If you don't have one, they sign you up on the spot. OK; that's fine too. Except that in addition to filling out the paperwork on the spot, you have to pay them the registration fee, in cash, on the spot, AND depending upon what they see on your tables, pay an up-front "deposit" on potential taxes you may collect during that show. That "deposit" is a percentage of the total value of what you have on your tables. So now, this new dealer ---or this RR enthusiast who doesn't even run a business; it really IS just a hobby for him (lucky guy!)---- who has come to support your show or convention-----although he/she may be more-than-willing (if that's possible!) to cooperate with sales tax laws, may have several hundred dollars out of his pocket before the show even opens. I've seen this happen. I've also seen them confiscate property off dealer tables. And I've seen them make arrests (undoubtedly of uncooperative people, so I'm not defending those dealers---just making an observation). And I've seen their agents ("undercover") sit on a nearby chair and observe particular dealers' sales for the entire day, making notes....perhaps with good reason, I admit. Obviously, from other postings, some states are more relaxed about this. And some provide exemptions to certain individuals. And some are cooperative with the organizers of events. But some states are NOT! They just see $$$$$$ signs. So, Yes, .....Maybe NASG should hold its national convention in tax-free NH EVERY year ! Then we can find other new things to complain about! Doug

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7454	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: cats

cbtrainnut writes: >Question : how to get rid of cat hair on layout. >answer:"Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats. >Seems awful simple doesn't it? Seems just awful. Hope you are kidding. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7455	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

Come on Chris. I know you and I know you have a sense of humor. We own two cats, two dogs and one iguana (I guess Robin really owns them as she does most of the work) and I thought the comment was hysterical. Don T. busy-boy wrote: > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > cbtrainnut writes: > >Question : how to get rid of cat hair on layout. > >answer:"Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats. > >Seems awful simple doesn't it? > > Seems just awful. Hope you are kidding. > Chris Z. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/5/_/494531/_/952181952/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7456	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] TAXES

Wow, Doug's report on what the tax people do in his state sounds like some sort of totalitarian world. I can't believe that it is legal for tax people to collect tax on sales that haven't yet happened--even if they call it a "deposit." I thought CA was bad, but at least you can sign in as an "occasional seller" and be exempted. I trust the tax people check this out and make sure you don't sign up more than twice a year! Technically, the way the CA law is written, if I buy something from NY state, I'm supposed to report the purchase and send in tax $$ for it. RIGHT! Like everyone does that! The law is there, but impossible to administer at this point in time, and the tax people know it. Seems to me that Boston held a tea party over less harassment! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7457	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

This whole post thread is sounding like a "Hairy situation"! (remember I'm the guy who posted the #1 reason for more people in S was "Better comedy writers"!) S' David D. PS My birds loved the results! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7458	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] era-particular??

I'm just one voice, I run Steam, just in the last 6 years have I added the "dismals" to my roster, other than the Baldwin that my brother bought in '56 (paper route money, $15.95 for the set). Even though mine is a make believe world, I do try to stick to pre '55 or so stuff. The Kodachrome this year was very tempting, but way out of era for me. So I am one of the few that want to promote S, and think that new stuff is very important, but I'm not the market for it. Confusing, huh? Never said life is/was simple! My friend Mike, who has lots of operating equipment, all AF style, runs everything, Amtrak, spine cars (well, except the L made ones, they're too tipsy and too wide) and doesn't care too much about keeping eras "right" so there's a sampling of two people that run "highrail", one would buy modern, one wouldn't and both want S to grow so we can have more way cool stuff! Off to work, later dudes!! S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7459	From: dlich,	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: TAX

again as to advance collection......canton has a 2% city income tax.....the county fair grounds are located within the city limits.........yup the tax man goes to the vendors even food and tells them what he estimates their sales and profits are going to be!! that is wy the hotels in the city do NOT get any of the shows but the ones in the townships do...dennis lichtenwalter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7460	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: era particular ??

My layout is small and temporary {with hopes to enlarge very soon!}, with no set era. But, I favor the '30's '40's and '50's. I like the old autos! The newest car on my layout is a '60 Chevy. I hope to incorporate three or so little towns {Maybe one city for my Ertl Dick Tracy cars} and have one town the '30's another the '40's and so on. I was collecting Racing Champs and other diecast before I dug my trains back out. What a relief to find that all my cars {for the most part} go with my Flyer!! I just like the nostalgia of the older settings. Finding older "stock" vehicles and Hot Rods, oh, and trucks {and little people, more plasticville etc.} is for me, half the fun of running my old trains! AND buying more Flyer!!! Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7461	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: Rich Gajnak on Lionel Flyer

In a message dated 3/3/00 10:54:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > Dick Maddox is making business decisions, and American Flyer is > not a great portion of Lionel's business. Of course not Rich. You have to make and sell a product before it can be ANY portion of any business. My own feelings are that Lionel has NEVER wanted to make Flyer a great portion of it's business. It just wanted to keep the name from anyone else thus eliminating name brand competition. When Jim Bunte took command of the Flyer division of Lionel and came up with plans for new and different production in 1997 they promptly sent him back home to Calif. That told it all to me. All the wishing in the world isn't going to change that three rail mind set. It's ironic really. What if General Motors would only make Oldsmobiles because Chevy competed with them? These are the facts ma'am, just the facts...as I see them Steve Blackburn RMHR, TCA, NASG Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7462	From: James B. Miller	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Modern Engines ???

In regards to the following e-mail clips from two 'S' manufacturers who are stating that "modern S" does not sell -- > You are close, modern is anything that was produced after steam died in the 50's and >Sales of the GP-30 have been good. But the frustration came from two >directions. One, a good number of 'modern modeler's said it was 'too >old' for them. While we admit it was a vintage loco in the mid-1990's, >some were still around! I think maybe some of the manufacturers are not on the same track as some of the modelers as to what comprises modern equipment. To me, modern is what I see when I go out train-watching -- today. The fact that someone, somewhere, drags out a relic (GP-30) to run when they get power tight does not make it modern power just because it is running in modern times. There are still steam engines running, but I don't consider them modern power. The last steam engines built for American use (excepting the Chinese imports) was in 1950. The GP-30 was being sold in 1960 (MR even published plans of the engine in the summer of 1960). This is the year 2000. That alone should tell what era they're closest to. I haven't seen a GP-30 go by my area in a couple years. There is even a more modern engine in AM's plastic GP-35. I saw the GP-30 at the NASG convention the other year. It was an absolutely beautiful engine, and it ran every bit as well as it looked. The quality was certainly what S-scale needs - I almost went home with one as it was. Too bad it wasn't my idea of a modern engine, and I reconsidered. As for the SD40-2 that people keep dreaming about -- consider when they were introduced. They are also closer to the steam era. There are so few of them around anymore that they stick out like a sore thumb when they come through - I haven't seen one in several months. The SD50/60 came out about 15 years ago. I live in the Reading, PA area, and generally see a train everyday on the way to/from work or when out shopping. The norm for motive power (Conrail, NS, CSX) are the big high-horsepower 6-axle wide-cab units that have been produced the last few years. 4-axle units are a small percentage -- usually on locals and branch lines. The other day, someone posted the results of an MR survey about the most popular modeling eras. The peak was the transition era, with a secondary peak in today's railroading. I don't think the GP30 fit into either of those peaks. To date I have not seen anyone produce a freight locomotive for the modern era. In spite of the above comments, I really do appreciate what our 'S' manufacturers have done for the scale. Since they are putting-up the money and time, it's up to them to produce what they feel best about. However, I don't think the GP30 is a valid measure of a modern engine's sales potential. Maybe someone just needs to enlighten me as to what 'modern era' railroading is. I know that I for one am not interested in modeling an assortment of 'vintage' relics as 'modern' railroading simply because somewhere, someone still uses this or that piece of equipment. What do the other members of these lists define as 'modern' equipment/era ? -- Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7463	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Upset with Lionel!

I just got my March/April 2000 S Gaugian magazine, and I see under the Scenery Unlimited ad on page 36 the quote "Sorry, AF 2000 items are sold out!" This sounds like what happened with the Christmas car all over again! I recall last month's issue with the interview with Lionel's new CEO, saying that more AF would be made if sales warranted it. Well, they seem to find the idea way to get sales to come in low; don't manufacture any product!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7464	From: rwjw3@aol.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 548

In a message dated 3/4/00 12:55:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I will have a couple of hours after arriving in LAX on my way to Irvine >> On your way south from the airport stop at the Electric Train Company. Don had a really cool layout last time I was there (used to have an office on Barranca Pkwy. in Irvine) and if you ask you get to run American Flyer trains. Very interesting variety was always available compared to the Northeast. The shop is right off the 405 and I think it's University Blvd. Check the phone book, that's how I found it. Regards Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7465	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 549

> Subject: removing cat hair > > The Question was"Awhile back there was some posts about "how to get rid of > cat hair on layout." > The answer is"Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats." > It looks like these two posts must have crossed in the mail. Seems awfull > simple doesn't it? > As poisonous to pets and environmentally unfriendly as ethylene glycol is, why bother? Around here, no matter how hard we try to keep the cats around for the field mice, we seem to just maintain the food chain by feeding the coyotes on a regular basis. Wife isn't too happy about it, but solves the cat hair problem anyway. No, I don't hate cats, it's just a fact of life when you live in the country. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7466	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: 732/734 roller question

Has anyone replaced a roller on the ramp for either an operating boxcar or operating baggage car? I bought a 732 recently that has one missing from the middle of the ramp. Go figure. I haven't located a source of spare rollers either. As I ponder the problem, it seems that I will have to remove the roller from the top end, and place it in the holes that are missing the roller. I envision two possible outcomes. First, I could be able to source 12 rollers to someone else. Second, a successful transplant. It does not appear that the top end will separate enough to allow just one to come out. It also seems that there is a great possibility of several popping out when I go to insert one in the empty location. Has anyone had experience in repairing these ramps? Would a wedge of Teflon work instead of the roller? Alan Udy, Rocky Mountain Highrailers Idaho Falls, IDAHO ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7467	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

"James B. Miller" wrote: > In regards to the following e-mail clips from two 'S' manufacturers who are > stating that "modern S" does not sell -- >(snip) > I think maybe some of the manufacturers are not on the same track as some of > the modelers as to what comprises modern equipment. To me, modern is what I > see when I go out train-watching -- today. > That is the biggest problem.... what exactly is 'modern modeling?' Ask 20 people and you will get 21 different answers. We have discussed this question around the group before and still have not gotten a reasonable consensus of opinions. Nor have I been able to determine how many modelers make up at 'some of the modelers' mentioned above. It would be very helpful to have a real number to think about. Didn't the Modern Modeler SIG reach about 35 folks? In the purest since of the words, modern modeling, it would be someone trying to duplicate railroading as it is today, yesterday, and perhaps as far back as maybe five years... or at least as long as you have to hang onto IRS records! Realistically, there must be at least some time frame greater than just today, else you would never get anything done, because tomorrow you would have to start over. And even with the fastest model makers, it takes about a year to get the data and photos on a new release before the model can be made. From Don T.'s view, modern is 1960+. My view of modern usually includes whatever was running in revenue service, not tourist or fan trip, during the last five-seven years. It would include the newest locos and cars as well as some older ones on their last trips. And yes, included in the list of things to acquire for a modern layout would be such strange antiques as the 1937 AAR 40' boxcars and X-29's I saw a couple of years ago used in MoW service. > The fact that someone, somewhere, drags out a relic (GP-30) to run when they > get power tight does not make it modern power just because it is running in > modern times. There are still steam engines running, but I don't consider > them modern power. The last steam engines built for American use (excepting > the Chinese imports) was in 1950. The GP-30 was being sold in 1960 (MR even > published plans of the engine in the summer of 1960). All right! Let's pick on the ugly GP-30! ;-) Perhaps out your back door that is the case, but down here in FL the shells of GP-30s, now classified as Road Slugs but still just as ugly on the outside, are in daily use hauling dino dust (phosphate) from the mines to the docks. NS got rid of the last of them about seven years ago... cannot recall the actual date. Wasn't it BN that did some major overhaul of their fleet a couple of years back? While not a GP-30 inside, they still look as ugly! Many second-generation diesels are still earning bucks as evident by the SD-40-2's in mine service also! If you are building a modern CSX, or whatever, layout set in 1999, you should duplicate the power that is running. Steam locos running today are not used in revenue service (exceptions being when they are used the day after a fan trip hauling revenue freight on the way home) and neither do I classify them as modern power. Remember my definition is 'revenue service during the last five years.' Not sure what you read about those dates, but they are not correct. The first GP-30 rolled off the EMD lot in July 1961. N&W built 2-8-8-2's in 1952, and 0-8-0's in 1953. Splitting hairs over a couple of years difference, but we don't want to mislead anyone. > As for the SD40-2 that people keep dreaming about -- consider when they were > introduced. They are also closer to the steam era. There are so few of > them around anymore that they stick out like a sore thumb when they come > through - I haven't seen one in several months. The SD50/60 came out about > 15 years ago. > See, didn't I tell y'all the other day one of the modern guys would say that! ;-) (snip) > The other day, someone posted the results of an MR survey about the most > popular modeling eras. The peak was the transition era, with a secondary > peak in today's railroading. I don't think the GP30 fit into either of > those peaks. To date I have not seen anyone produce a freight locomotive > for the modern era. In spite of the above comments, I really do appreciate > what our 'S' manufacturers have done for the scale. Since they are > putting-up the money and time, it's up to them to produce what they feel > best about. However, I don't think the GP30 is a valid measure of a modern > engine's sales potential. > (snip) All I can go by is that if you - the 'modern modeler,' not you specifically, Jim - don't buy one engine that is running today, why would I think you would buy anything else that is running today? This is a great generalization, I realize, but you get the drift of the thinking. And when I invest a large chunk of money, it is hard to not look at the transition era for projects; heck of a lot less risk involved! Bottom line of all this is that you can please all of the modelers some of the time, and some of them all the time; but pleasing the modern modeler is really a difficult challenge! Time to go test my 'modern' 1895 Baldwin 0-6-0 some more... since my next layout will be set in 1896, this is really a hot, new model, and the futuristic GP-30 is the stuff dreams are made of! Y'all take care, and keep on enjoying this wonderful hobby! Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7468	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: E.B.T. 0-6-0 Pulling Power Test Results

Howdy Friends OK, I dug out some freight cars and tried to test the pulling power of our new 0-6-0. Of these cars, eight are American Models or some other car with AM trucks, two are Rex heavyweight beasts, two Pacific Rail Shops, and one S Scale American Tank and one Chesapeake Models hopper. Two hoppers have Mr. Plaster coal loads, so they should really count as double! The layout is level... or as close as my skills will allow. Anyway, we started with five cars, and kept adding until we reached the end of the 12' modules - fourteen cars total. The 0-6-0 pulled them and could have take more! All for now! Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7469	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] taxes

Don't believe it!!!!!! If we all pay our fair share of taxes the taxes would never be lower. No mater how much tax we pay it is never enough for the "have never seen a bad tax" politicians And if I were to cheat on my taxes yours do not get higher. Larry joeawood@... wrote: > From: joeawood@... > > If you stop to think about the tax issue getting the liscense is not that bad > and your expenses are all deductable ,mileage depreciation on your vehicle > your cost for table rental your meals your stay in that nice hotel while on > the road and you only have to show a profit and pay tax every four years. I > have been I a number of businesses over the past 20 years and The hassel of > keeping the records and fileing the forms has more than paid for the time it > took to do it. If everyone paid his fair share we would all pay less taxes. > it is simple to get the necessary to get the necessary paperwork Pa the show > promoter should be able to help you get it from the state dept of revinue > And if you have the proper paperwork you don't have to be looking over your > shoulder or running out the back door sometime at a show. Have Fun Keep on > runnin your trains! Joe JOEAWOOD@... {E-BAY JOEAFLYER} OPERATOR Not a > dealer If I resell it, I have one or can"t use the peice. Joe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952175427/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7470	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] era-particular??

Richard I love your thinking Amen brother Larry Richard wrote: > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > > Thanks Tom!! > > Howdy all...sorry to chew up so much bandwidth..just a very curious fellow..I

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7471	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Wy not us??

Gale and all Gale Hall wrote: > > Hey guys, > > We have had GP-38-2's, we have had SD-40-2's, we have had SD--40-2T's, 30 > years ago we got a U25B, the parts are excellent, rivals today, problem is > they aren't bent, and the parts are etched all the way through on openings, > the 44 tonners we have had 3, Locomotive Workshop, Steam Depot and River > Raisin....and lest I forget we have also had GP-38's and GP-38-2's and > SD-40's from Jon Bevenridge...these came without dynamic brakes. Again point taken...but..my comparison was of RTR, and more particular plastic, and the fact that you can walk into 'a' shop in every major city and probably find an example of at least one...right there on the shelf, painted ..erady to rollon your next home freight or whatever. Dont get me wrong Its good that some locos are made as kits..but gee I would say that wouldnt I :-)))...and many locos will only ever be produced that way for many years to come...but hese are aimed primarily at he existing market. People inthat large scale can walk out today and buy it. Whilst brass and kits are good , theyll never be the salvation of this scale. They complement it!! If S is to move from floundering on the beach to sailing the seas again then we need a lot more devotees and I tell ya...we need people who like the "other" scales O,HO and N can model in the current vogue!! 33% of modelers follow eras from 1960 onwards, with nearly a quarter of all modelers following the 70's forward..the greatest movement (i.e growth) is in the 1990 to present era. Now what makes this era so important is that is also represents the greatest era for newbies...those coming into the hobby...with all their new money and enthusiam. Now when these new folk come to the counter to make their opening buys ...where is "S"...its at home watching reruns of the honeymooeners running FLyer!! (apologies now..thats not meant tobe patronising or nasty!!..just metaphoric) Maybe those MTH GE's grab their attention , or is it the hoards of HO locos all decked out in currnet colours, ditto for N..hell you canevenbuy a real modern loco in Z (ok it must be made of gold for the cost..but its there)...were not even in the race. Dont we want the scale to grow?? Do kids give a rats what anything fifties is .unless its got flame decals on the hood...and eminates "she's got legs". What are the two most recent (era) locos in S at present...a GP35 (when you can get it).or a F40PH.....now a GP35 is sixties material and they are retiring the '40's as quiick as can!! but arguably its stil a relevent locomotive.( I ignore brass, and always will in respect of affordable atttainable product for the average Joe) Where are the GENESIS AMD103's , the AEM7's even...where are the F59PH or AE3's....or lets be brave...bring on an ACELA !!...where are the AC6000CW'sthe SD9043MAC's (no not the ones with gherkins!!). One of the best things going for S is its perfect in between size....picture if you will a BN SD75 in Pumkin!!..all 13 and half inches of it..wow..I can see them now ..but only inmy mind 'cos I sure as hell cant buy one...not in S Do you think AC would be making 60's and 70's stuff today...no way Jose!! Manyof you no doubt think I am carrying on like this , just for the hell. NO!! I would like tostay modelling in S ...without having to be the artisan at everything. A mum/dad with kids ...or the more ecclectic yup with partner in tow go on a railfan trip, or visit a museum or see another GP9 decked out for a movie role...do they think this is normal?? No its an abberation!! but not in S...it is normal!! Manufacturers and organisations/clubs need to put their feet down in the "NOW" and look squarely onward to the "FUTURE"......as far as I know only HG Wells and Michael J Fox have had much success with subverting the effects of the "here and now" If there are already approx 16% in modeling in the nineties and thats likely to climb to at least 20% inside of five years...can we be so arrogant..or stupid to ignore the potential of the 40000 already in this modern (truly modern) era and the likely hood of another 10000 coming soon....if we could only garner a conservative 10% of these with a primary interest , and maybe another 10% for a secondary look see ...thats 10000 more bods in S ....maybe its just me...I dont see this as an unattainable outcome...well with the right product it could be!! People, these day s like any other have their fair share of rubber-gaugers....with greater exposure and more pages in the media and at train shows..might we also gain a few from the existing ranks of other scales. There is no reason why "S" could not be a big as "O". Infact with some of the right product we could even steal a few of them!! as the ad say.."it wont happen overnight, but it will happen"...or will it?? The glass is half full..FORWARD HO!! cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7472	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

To expand further on below, I personally think the problem is deeper rooted.... ______________________________________________________________________ >..........biggest problem.... what exactly is 'modern modeling?' Ask >20 people and you will get 21 different answers. We have discussed this >question around the group before and still have not gotten a reasonable >consensus of opinions. >...realistically, there must be at least some time >frame greater than just today, else you would never get anything done, >>From Don T.'s view, modern is 1960+. My view of modern usually includes >whatever was running in revenue service, _______________________________________________________________________ For most of us on this list, we are die-hard hi-railers hooked on AF trains. Unfortunately for us, the modern era ended with the GP7's and PA's. I believe the modern era that we seek has been lost from *this* period 'till present day. Although Lionel have made subtle changes to the GP's to make them look like GP9's and GP20's, it really hasn't compensated for this lost 50 years. What we have really missed out on is a company that has the ability to keep up with this lost period and give us the freedom of *choice* that we seek, but more importantly, what we have really missed out on is the *brand* name. To give credit where it is due, the likes of SHS and AM are doing a first class job in promoting 'S', but they just don't have the same ring to it as 'AF'! If one of them was able to secure *the* brand name then I believe they would see their sales figures expand considerably. The people at Lionel of course realise that the 'AF' name is worth a fortune and are not likely to give it up for a song! Let's just hope they become liquidated and the names are up for grabs! They also know that if the likes off SHS was able acquire the name then they would be seen as an instant competitor again , even though it's a different scale/gauge. If we look at SHS we can still tie them down, in general, to an era that parallels Flyer innovation, the forties/fifties. Even AM has expanded further with later GP's and the F-40 series but there are still large voids present. We also need these companies to fill these voids and back fill on older equipment to expand on the meagre offerings that Flyer gave us. I admit that I am a *brand* name collector/operator and because of this I feel trapped in a time warp left by the demise of a legacy given to us by ACG. The bottom line is, give me a box that has AF stamped on it with all the trappings of modern technology and quality and I'll buy,buy,buy!!!! Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7473	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Rich Gajnak on Lionel Flyer

I have been told that American Flyer is not Copyrighted but the name American Flyer Lines is the name that lyingL controls. I was told this by the guy in the Chicago area that grows the HO kits to S scale size. He copied some AF stuff and left the American Flyer name in them but removed Flyer. LyingL people stopped at his table and looked things over and then left and he has never heard any thing from them. Larry boss31@... wrote: > From: boss31@... > > In a message dated 3/3/00 10:54:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, > S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > > > Dick Maddox is making business decisions, and American Flyer is > > not a great portion of Lionel's business. > > Of course not Rich. You have to make and sell a product before it can be ANY > portion of any business. My own feelings are that Lionel has NEVER wanted to > make Flyer a great portion of it's business. It just wanted to keep the name > from anyone else thus eliminating name brand competition. When Jim Bunte took > command of the Flyer division of Lionel and came up with plans for new and > different production in 1997 they promptly sent him back home to Calif. That > told it all to me. > All the wishing in the world isn't going to change that three rail mind set. > It's ironic really. What if General Motors would only make Oldsmobiles > because Chevy competed with them? > > These are the facts ma'am, just the facts...as I see them > > Steve Blackburn RMHR, TCA, NASG > Boise, Idaho > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952197352/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7474	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: What Era.

I run only steamers. I also try to stick to the 50's. The reason for the 50's is that is when cars and machinery had style and class. All the cars look the same to me now a days. I love the way steamers are and the sight and sound and smell. The imagination of the days when people traveled by rail. That's my preference anyhow. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7475	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

Jim: You have hit the nail on the head. But first not wide cabs but wide nosed or safety cabs. Now I do not think there are any GP30 left are there???? All I know of have been rebuilt to a Bastard model as has a lot of the SD40-2s, Sd45s, SD45-2s and so on. And these rebuilds are called a lot of model numbers that never was. Larry "James B. Miller" wrote: > From: "James B. Miller" <JBMiller@...> > > In regards to the following e-mail clips from two 'S' manufacturers who are > stating that "modern S" does not sell -- > > > You are close, modern is anything that was produced after steam died in > the 50's > > and > > >Sales of the GP-30 have been good. But the frustration came from two > >directions. One, a good number of 'modern modeler's said it was 'too > >old' for them. While we admit it was a vintage loco in the mid-1990's, > >some were still around! > > I think maybe some of the manufacturers are not on the same track as some of > the modelers as to what comprises modern equipment. To me, modern is what I > see when I go out train-watching -- today. > > The fact that someone, somewhere, drags out a relic (GP-30) to run when they > get power tight does not make it modern power just because it is running in > modern times. There are still steam engines running, but I don't consider > them modern power. The last steam engines built for American use (excepting > the Chinese imports) was in 1950. The GP-30 was being sold in 1960 (MR even > published plans of the engine in the summer of 1960). This is the year > 2000. That alone should tell what era they're closest to. I haven't seen a > GP-30 go by my area in a couple years. > > There is even a more modern engine in AM's plastic GP-35. > > I saw the GP-30 at the NASG convention the other year. It was an absolutely > beautiful engine, and it ran every bit as well as it looked. The quality > was certainly what S-scale needs - I almost went home with one as it was. > Too bad it wasn't my idea of a modern engine, and I reconsidered. > > As for the SD40-2 that people keep dreaming about -- consider when they were > introduced. They are also closer to the steam era. There are so few of > them around anymore that they stick out like a sore thumb when they come > through - I haven't seen one in several months. The SD50/60 came out about > 15 years ago. > > I live in the Reading, PA area, and generally see a train everyday on the > way to/from work or when out shopping. The norm for motive power (Conrail, > NS, CSX) are the big high-horsepower 6-axle wide-cab units that have been > produced the last few years. 4-axle units are a small percentage -- usually > on locals and branch lines. > > The other day, someone posted the results of an MR survey about the most > popular modeling eras. The peak was the transition era, with a secondary > peak in today's railroading. I don't think the GP30 fit into either of > those peaks. To date I have not seen anyone produce a freight locomotive > for the modern era. In spite of the above comments, I really do appreciate > what our 'S' manufacturers have done for the scale. Since they are > putting-up the money and time, it's up to them to produce what they feel > best about. However, I don't think the GP30 is a valid measure of a modern > engine's sales potential. > > Maybe someone just needs to enlighten me as to what 'modern era' railroading > is. I know that I for one am not interested in modeling an assortment of > 'vintage' relics as 'modern' railroading simply because somewhere, someone > still uses this or that piece of equipment. > > What do the other members of these lists define as 'modern' equipment/era ? > -- Jim > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/0/_/576498/_/952200076/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7476	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Modern .."THE LOCO"

Yep me again :-)) Every era seems to choose a defacto standard for various jobs Steam had its 2-8-0s etc Pacific pulled pass on the flats and mountaind pulled themin the hills..yes ther were local exceptins but you get the idea come forward and the F unit was king...then the link pin of dieseldom the ubiquitous GEEP especially the GP9..later in another era it was the GP38-2 and SD40-s that were everywhere. It got a little murky for a while whilst Erie and LaGrange fought out the HP wars...models galore...a veritable smorgasbord!! Today!! there are two calims to the "title" the AC4400CW's and probably the new "champion " of the rails....i the "wine coloured" corner the SD70. If someone was to go mad and produce a 'real" modern loc let it be one of these two ...with my leaning towards the GM product...but please make both if you cant decide :-))))))) The handyman can make quite a few from bashing these locomotives!! The SD70 (and cousins MAC and five-eye) are practically omnipresent on todays rails. the 80's/90's might have the muscle but the standard fare SD70's have the numbers. cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7477	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

I like this concept of Modern models. "James B. Miller" wrote: To me, modern is what I see when I go out train-watching -- today. I know that there are dozens of SW-1 still working today. Many more than GP-30's and maybe even GP-35s. Don T. P.S. The container with the SW-1s is due into the port of NY on the 10th of March -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7478	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

Don Thompson wrote: > > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > > I like this concept of Modern models. > > "James B. Miller" wrote: > > To me, modern is what I see when I go out train-watching -- today. > > I know that there are dozens of SW-1 still working today. Many more than GP-30's > and maybe even GP-35s. > > Don T. > Lets carry it further and say it is more the what is the norm...or popular (hence numerically apparent) today!! Bet you dont see as many SW1's as AC44's SD70's,AMD103's etc. these older locos might stillbe working..but if you cast your net you wouldnt get too many!! In short they are not representaive. I'd like to see some locos that are!! cheers >:~)) Richard p.s I do like the lil' SW1's though!!...its truly " a really useful engine" :-))))

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7479	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

I disagree. It is not era it is quality. SHS sells out its line because it is good stuff that holds its own with the best of any other scale. The other major manufacturer has made major concessions to prototype fidelity on almost every one of his models. When people outside of S see that they do not take it seriously. Please keep in mind that if you are considering O 3 rail as the competitor that those products are larger, more readily available, turn in the same space and are easier to wire. Our growth recently and will continue to be from the scale side such as HO. SHS, Pacific Rail Shops and S Scale America are the only relevant manufacturers for those modelers. Respectfully John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7480	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: KISS

modelerS Lets put this into perspective. Ill put it in a very simple question form(KISS) Of the historic major scales O..S..HO..N Which scale does NOT have any truly moderm locomotives..in affordable RTR ?? Which scale is struggling?? Simple isnt it!! >;~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7481	From: Scott Brown	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: ACSG - Washington and Old Dominion Chapter

The Atlantic Coast S Gauge Club held it's 2nd meeting today to begin work on our modules. It was a very productive day. We have now framed, attached the plywood top and carpeted all 4 corner modules and 6 straight modules. We built 10 straight modules in all, but have to carpet the last 4. We will meet next month to attach the legs, track, and wiring. It was pretty exciting to see all the work we accomplished. We met at Bruce Tibbetts' home in Culpepper, Va. In attendance were : Bruce Tibbetts, Chris Johnson, Bill Novak, Jack Early, Scott Brown, and from the Richmond Chapter : Wayne Beachy and Mike Myers. Dave Horn and David Bollinger were unable to attend from the Virginia Chapter. We also decided on a name for our new chapter : The Washington and Old Dominion Chapter. We felt this name would better fit people in the Washington DC metro area and not just those of us in Virginia. We hope people from DC and Maryland will join us too. Our new chapter is off to a great start and we are looking forward to our first public show in Manassas, Va. this coming June 3rd ,when we will set up for the Manassas Rail Festival. This will be the first year that "S" gauge will be represented. If any of you on the S List live in the area and would like to join us, please email me off list and I will give you all the details. Scott Brown ACSG - Washington and Old Dominion Chapter sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7482	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

For me, modern locos are what you see trackside if you are modeling contempory (1990s and even 80s) railroading. Of the currently available S locos that means the GP9 preferably chopnose, the GP35 (although disappearing) the F40PH (if you can do an F40, why not a GP40), RS18 (at least in Canada) and SW9/1200. The GP30 can be stretched and I may yet do so. There have been brass GP38s and SD40s etc and SD60s but they aren't exactly plentiful. What are obviously missing in plastic form is everything post GP40-2 from GM and Dash7s on up from GE. Maybe even some of the UBoats would count. The F3s will be a lovely loco but even CN dropped them in the early 80s. The situation is the same on the freight car side although AM does have several modernish freight cars. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7483	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Barrels for loader

I need to buy some repo. barrels for my barrel loader. How many came with it?? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7484	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC A-F Trains

You need to run on AC to get the old Lionel sound stuff to work. The Lionel need a pulse of DC to trigger. When you run on DC you have the whistle or whatever running constantly on one DC polarity, and not at all on the other. I have made up 4 sound cars to work with Flyer and they work with Lionel Trainsounds buttons or some homemade DC pulsers that I built while running on AC. I have DC available from my transformer thru a countrrol box but run AC when running these sound cars. BTW, sequence reverse still works on DC so you have full control whether you run a polarity reversing DC motor, a sequence reversing AC series wound motor, or an electronic sequence reverse with a can motor. John Denholm wrote: > > From: "John Denholm" <jde@...> > > Hi guys and gals; > well were sure having fun now I have decided to > switch some of my locos over to DC and this is great, > > first off I went and did it went on "The Auction" > and finally won I got a Gilberts rectifier #15 > > Now the neat thing is the Transformer I have is a > Tech 11 027 Guage which means with the Rectifier > I can bounce back and forth from AC to DC neat > aye :) My Question is---> > Can I install in a A-F Tender > and Ring a Lionel Bell Ringer That > came out of a Lionel Tender [which has a off on > switch] as there are only 2 wires 1 Hot and > 1 Ground is it possible to run this on DC or > AC American Flyer? without frying my Bell ringer > motor? Any Help would be Appreciated Thanks <jde> > John Denholm. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/5/_/494531/_/952178399/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7485	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s

Kelvin White wrote: >(snip) > On my first visit to the States in 95 I saw Ex SOO WC GP30s on local > turns, and a Conrail Unit at Altoona, whilst last year up in Duluth a WC > GP30 was drilling one of the many yards ....So they still hold their own > in a few places - but my GP30 will become a SAL unit circa 1965 but > getting decals for it is my biggest challenge. Not a problem, Kelvin! B.T.S. did SAL decals for pale green E-units and those wonderful, antique, second-generation diesels. We used a Walthers' herald from an O set that ended up being a inch or two too big, but the overall effect was good. Last time we had them at an NASG meet, everyone said no one was modeling the southern roads, so we packed them away until folks wised up! ;-) Let me dig those monsters out. Will let you know when I find them. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7486	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 5, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7487	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: answers to questions

In among all the theorizing were several questions. Here are my answers. John Denholm: A Lionel bell ringer should work on either AC or DC. As I recall, it works by the heat from a solenoid bending a bimetallic strip. There is no DC-sensitive relay involved as is the case w Lionel whistles and horns. Give it a try. What I don't see is how you are gonna fit that bulky mechanism into a Flyer tender. Alan Udy: 732/734 roller: I would try to find one of those pins that are used to hold the band to wrist watches, with tips that can be pushed inside (ever change a watch band?). If you find one the correct length, it might do the trick. If it's too skinny, wrap some tape around it. If you take apart that roller assembly you might have to construct a jig to hold the rollers when you reassemble it. Rick Evans: I believe 4 barrels came with my loader originally. However, it's been 35 years so I could be wrong about that. 8 is a good number to have -- that's how many fit on the ramp at once. Roger Petrella: If coyotes are eating your cats and preventing cat hair buildup on your layout, you can take certain steps if you get the local police to cooperate. Coyotes will often respond to the hooter on a police car. Apparently they think it's another coyote. The police on Cape Cod were locating the dens this way. You can do the same. Needless to say, when you find the den it will be lined with kitty collars. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7488	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

The Jan-Feb issue of Diesel Era has an excellent section on the GE Dash 8-40B's, excellent detail photos, and color photos....If you are holding an American Hirail shell for this engine, you need this magazine. gale hall >From: "Skip Mersereau" <jwmersereau@...> >To: <S-Trains@onelist.com>, <s-scale@onelist.com> >Subject: RE: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ??? >Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:39:06 -0800 > >A distinction I have seen before is roughly as follows: > > Transition Era - Steam / Diesel > Modern Era - Second Generation Diesels / no steam > Contemporary Era - 10 years old max. > >Don't forget that Instrument Designs has done the Dash-8 shells and the >Amtrak modification (I forget the exact designation). These were nice >shells >that fit well on existing American Models shells. > >Why not get Instrument Designs to do the shells? I think my Dash 8 shells >were about $35 each with another $10 or so for sideframes (plastic). Get a >list. Need >to run about 50 shells last I checked. This is not impossible. The hardest >thing may be 1) Drive system and 2) sideframes. But if someone wants to >organize it, >a project can be done. Biggest problem with the Instrument Design shells is >the management >of the "cast-on" details. Come up with a solutin for this, and I think >you're done. > >I am a steam man myself by preference, but I do love the modern stuff too. >Gotta pick one, so >you guys are on your own. All the same, I'm not ready to dump my Dash-8 >shells yet. > > Skip Mersereau > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7489	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] KISS

>From: Richard <richard_snook@...> >To: S-Scale <S-Scale@onelist.com> >CC: S Trains <s-trains@onelist.com> >Subject: [S-Scale] KISS >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 10:55:55 +1100 > >modelerS > >Lets put this into perspective. > >Ill put it in a very simple question form(KISS) > >Of the historic major scales O..S..HO..N > >Which scale does NOT have any truly moderm locomotives..in affordable RTR >?? > >Which scale is struggling?? > >Simple isnt it!! > > >;~)) Richard No, not so simple. Which scale has only 1 non-brass rtr steam locomotive? Jeff M. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7490	From: Rick Evans {bass-flyer}	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Barrels and Coyotes

Where else can you find answers about A. Flyer AND how to find a coyote!! I love this list!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7491	From: Gale Hall	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Barrels and Coyotes

I think as we are in this surge of growth and knowledge, we need to subdivide the list......Flyer and Felines........Trains and Taxes and Cars and Coyotes. Such a move would provide a quicker sort of the email and let us move along with the evening. A thought. gale hall >From: "Rick Evans {bass-flyer}" <comic@...> >To: S-Trains@onelist.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Barrels and Coyotes >Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 03:00:11 -0000 > >Where else can you find answers about A. Flyer AND how to find >a coyote!! >I love this list!!! > Rick. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7492	From: John Craft	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines ???

This should be clarified. I am referring only to injection models here. There are many exciting projects going on in the scale. I will single out only 2 for this purpose. 1. Laser cut tie strips/ switches- they make life easier. 2. The small railroad concept coming from BTS for the EBT. Someone can come and model the EBT in S maybe more easily then they can model the Pennsy once the steam projects get here. > John Craft <rrdart@...> wrote: > > Our growth recently and will continue to be from the > > scale side such as HO. SHS, Pacific Rail Shops and S Scale America are the > > only relevant manufacturers for those modelers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7493	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] KISS

Jeffrey Madden wrote: >Richard wrote > >Which scale does NOT have any truly moderm locomotives..in affordable RTR > >?? > > > >Which scale is struggling?? > > > >Simple isnt it!! > > > > >;~)) Richard > No, not so simple. Which scale has only 1 non-brass rtr steam locomotive? > Jeff M. > Nice one Jeff..when you put it that way!! :-))) Here's something though!! It is fairly well a fact that prior to the eighties ,there was no interest in modeling the eighties...and that this is only a phenonomom since!! correct?? SInce this period has transpired..that is to say now we have gone through the eighties and nineties; that somewhere in the order of 1 in 5 model this era. How many of those modelers are in "S"..and were talking some 50000 plus people...and we might have 10 or 20 in S if we're lucky. Even with steam...i accept that we could also pick up numbers from there also...but I would put that as extra icing on the cake. The fact remains that "S" has NO relevance to the modern modeler and that is a large slice of the market to throw away. I would hazard to bet that a high percentage of those modeling this curent/modern era are fairly new to the hobby....that is they came into the hobby to model what they saw as cuurent in the rail scene!!..They cant do that in S and we just hand them to the other scales..never to return!! :-(( Who knows what proportion of these 50000 modelers could have been S scalers...had the product been available?? >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7494	From: Richard	Date: 3/4/2000
Subject: 8-40B was Modern Engines ???

ANy one got pix of the shell..or a completed model?? >:~)) Richard Gale Hall wrote: > > From: "Gale Hall" <gale_hall@...> > > The Jan-Feb issue of Diesel Era has an excellent section on the GE Dash > 8-40B's, excellent detail photos, and color photos....If you are holding an > American Hirail shell for this engine, you need this magazine. > > gale hall >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7495	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: "Reworking Tinplate Track"

I picked up some free 'Toy trains' magazines {1953} from the local train store today. A little tattered and lotsa scotchtape but really fun to look through! Has an article about changing a 20" curve to end up with a radius of 30". Basically just taking the curved piece apart and bending the rails to match a pencil guide line drawn on paper, reassemble curved pieces, {one rail end will be a little longer and needs cutting off} and there you go! They say, "As easy as falling off a log." They went on to add wooden ties. So if you like your tinplate track but not the radius of curves, this sounds like a good idea. I'm sure this is nothing new to the "old timers" on the list {I don't really mean old, just experienced!}. Has anyone tried this?? Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7496	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s

I wonder who bought all of those Atlantic Coast Line SW-9's?....... and so far the Seaboard SW-1 is our most reserved unit. Bill Wade wrote: > ......................no one was modeling the southern roads, -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7497	From: Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines

Don Thompson wrote: > > I wonder who bought all of those Atlantic Coast Line SW-9's?....... and so far > the Seaboard SW-1 is our most reserved unit. > > Bill Wade wrote: > > > ......................no one was modeling the southern roads, Who buys the ACL and SAL diesels? As you have said before, it is the folks who like pretty colors! And doesn't the SAL SW-1 in red and black remind folks of something that the Gilbert factory made in AF? I was not slamming southern modeling; just relating was I was told. I believe the opportunities for some nifty southern layouts are high. Remember I was the one who got the CG/SRR Pulpwood Car made. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7498	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: What of the future!!

He's back!! Ok ...lets all live in denial that S hasn't a problem ..regarding the production of modern equipment!! So we carry on as we are...we continue to model in the "transition eras"....no new blood comes to the scale....time ticks on...and ten years down the track we still have basically the selection categories that exist today....not only wont we be in a position to offer any newcomers product that is current then...cos its not what we do..but hey we got this great SD60..thats only 30 years old...isnt that modern enough for you!! You know ..its time for a cold hard look at ourselves here guys...we have a serious attitude problem in S We dont own this scale...we are but caretakers for those that wish to join this fabulous hobby that is Model Railroading...but we act like it...You want to do what!!..sorry ...we dont do THAT here....try one of the "other"..scales. We as a group need to take serios stock of where we are today , and where we want the scale to be in the future....."the future"...thats all those tomorrows of today!! What tomorrow?? we are looken upon as secret and old fashioned...treated as lepers by the mainstream media...almost a curiosity by the rest...but taken seriously by very few!! Time to smell the flowers whilst we can...they're withering.....there are scales that are growing..and those that are decreasing. "S" has the potential I believe to not only recover and grow..but positively thrive....but gee I wonder how many GP30's and how many SW's are still going to be running and "current" in five to ten years time?? Maybe in year sto come diesel fuel will be short and they haul out those steamers...S being so far behind will suddenly be in front!! There's hope yet :-)) The glass is half full....lets fill it!! :-)) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7499	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: CATS AND TRAINS

CZ, regarding the cats, we have a dog and cat with lots of hair! Yes I was joking! Regarding new trains. I run steam from ACG because it's what my parents and recent budget has allowed. I'm looking at buying some newer equipment with pretty colors as soon as the child support is finished in a year. Some SW"s ,F's,and whatever else will show up that I like. I run trains hi-rail. colorful Dept.56 houses , Flyer accessories and anything else that fits in and works. Check the site out if you haven't yet.http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/. Lots of snow and christmas and movement. I LOVE THIS STUFF!!!!!! Back to rehabbing! Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7500	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

What Club on Yahoo does everyone chat in?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7501	From: michael prell	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

Saw tow bumper stickers last summer that kind of go along with the cat-istrophic situation that we now face. One read,'Cat: The other white meat! The other read, "So many cats! So few recepets!" Hay! They are alternatives! --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > This whole post thread is sounding like a "Hairy > situation"! > > (remember I'm the guy who posted the #1 reason for > more people in S was > "Better comedy writers"!) > S' > David D. > PS My birds loved the results! ;-) > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7502	From: D Simon	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Help Needed

Help! I am tring to finish an old set I had as a kid. It is number 20123. All I am missing now is the cardboard trestles. I belive it was number 747. If anyone has an extra set for sale please let me know. Or if you know where I might find a set also please let me know. I want to give this set to my son and want it to be complete. Thanks alot Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7503	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

I have not heard of glycol hurting cats, but it is possible. Many of us old-timers have used kitty-litter for ballast, mainly because of it came loose and pulled up into a loco's gearcase, it disintegrated before damaging the gears. We sometimes put up with a cat digging on the layout, but such times were rare. More recently, better materials are available, and kitty litter now comes with deodorants and a strange green tinge. Anyone who models C&NW is familar with pink granite ballast, but green ballast is totally unreal. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7504	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES

Add IOWA to the list of states who have hassled our meets, mainly the NMRA ones, for sales taxes in the past. Yes, this needs to be checked out as part of pre-convention homework, there may well be other states just as greedy and waiting to pounce.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7505	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New landscaping options

SUBTERRAIN was introduced, I think, at the 1998 NMRA convention here in Kansas City--at least, this is the first time I ever saw or heard of it. Woodland Scenics is located in the Ozarks, not far southeast of here. DJE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7506	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TAXES

I'll throw in a good word for "tax free" New Hampshire. No sales tax or state income tax. Shows in Nashua, Salem, Portmouth or Manchester all would be close to Massachussetts and major interstate highways. Besides we have low liquor abd cigarette prices. Welcome to the Granite State, Live Free or Die!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7507	From: Richard McClary	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

As an employee of the ASPCA National Animal Poison Control Center, here is what I understand. (I can't say I "know" this as I am not a licensed vet professional.) Glycols, especially ethylene (far less so with proplylene), are considered dangerous/poisonous because, althouth the glycol itself does not kill, it is metabolized into products that DO and WILL kill anything/everything. (Woman in St. Charles convicted of killing a husband or 2 by mixing it in their drinks.) Exposure to glycol is not a death sentence; there is treatment for it. If untreated, however, it will cause death from kidney and liver failure. (NOT pleasant!) ironhors@... wrote: > > From: ironhors@... > > I have not heard of glycol hurting cats, but it is possible.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7508	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: new O27 Caboose

Yes we all want newer cars, but Industrial Rail just came out with a great S gauge Caboose. I pulled off the end details first. I broke the pins because I was in such a hurry to get ride of the O gauge trucks. Hate to support O gauge manufactors, but it was very exciting to see a new S gauge cars in the toy store. These would be good for a RTR train set. I can buy this caboose and put on S trucks cheaper then buying a Lionel Flyer Caboose. It sure is great not to have to kiss there butt any more. I now own a Santa Fe Caboose. It would take Lionel 10 years to paint a Santa Fe Caboose. We don't have this much time to waist. Jim Sleeth PS Where can we sell all those O gauge trucks. I guess those O27 people are happy. Go figure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7509	From: RALPH HAHN	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: (no subject)

IM NEW ON ONE LIST I DONT KNOW THE DIF BETWEN NEW S TRAINS AND THEOLD COULD SOME ONE HELP ME IV BEEN IN O27 G BUT WOULD LIKE TO KNOWABOUT S G REV.RALPH E HAHN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7510	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Classified Classics

Hi gang, I was quite sad with the demise of mint editions from racing champions. Well, while shopping for Play Dough at Target, what did I find? Classified Classics by Racing Champions at $2.99. I bought a gorgeous '37 Rapide Coupe (ford). The list of cars available looks great. If anyone finds the '40 Ford woody, buy an extra for me. I'll pay postage! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7511	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Modern Stuff and Consensus

>From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > >Yes we all want newer cars, ...... > >From: "Arden Goehring" <arden@...> > >Skip - thank you for your letter explaining the S sig histories, etc. I was >out of circulation during those times. I think this list has been fairly >positive recently. The consensus is pretty clear that we need modern >models...... Hi gents here are two more cents. The folks ringing in on the 'modern era' thread have been the folks......interested in the modern era! That all of them expressed interest does not imply a consensus. It may easily be that most (sadly including myself) are not interested in modern equipment. Further, the 'conventional wisdom' of the manufacturers (that modern stuff does not sell) may be accurate. In science they say: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." For us that means that even though there have been few comments about modern era equipment desires that indicate "no desire", we cannot safely assume that there is a vast, silent, untapped market for these things. I would rather see more projects like the BTS 0-6-0. Small steamers adaptable to a variety of tasks - in kit form - at reasonable prices. But, that is a different subject. Good Luck Ya'll, Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7512	From: John Craft	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Stuff and Consensus

I have been told that there are and have been 3 basic time periods that are and will continue to be modeled. 1. Current aka modern- whatever is outside RIGHT NOW. 2. 20 years ago. The reasoning for this is that many guys get interested in trains and that interest gets replaced by women and their family and when the families are grown they return to the trains. (Not everyone can afford a Ferrari and a toupee') 3. Transition era. No matter how far in the past this recedes this was when the big steam engines ran and a huge variety of DIFFERENT looking diesels were made available. We can't do everything and if we try to we do it all poorly. SHS has a good focus with their products mix. John C P.S., If you want other modern equipment, get together. I am sure that one of the brass importers would work with you if there are sufficient numbers. You could call it "Modern S Models"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7513	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

I have been told that they are very tasty if you do not look at the shape of the pieces on your plate Larry michael prell wrote: > From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > > Saw tow bumper stickers last summer that kind of go

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7514	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines

In a similar vein--when Chester and J-C, whichever came first, did all those nice by then standards full-length streamlined passenger cars, what was the prototype? Betcha it was the Southern Crescent. Where else, also, did ACG get that nice green and white passenger scheme they had? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7515	From: Steve Jones	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Fall S Fest E-mail list established

The Badgerland S Gaugers have established an e-mail list for the Silver Anniversary Edition of the Fall S Fest. We will use the list to keep you up to date about activities going on in preparation for this year's event. If you would like to join the list go to our WWW site http://www.trainweb.org/bsg where there is a sign up option at the bottom of the the S Fest page. If any of you have a Web site with links or events area we’d appreciate you adding a link to our BSG site and a mention the Fall S Fest. "S"incerely, Steve Jones for The Badgerland S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7516	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Cats plus

A.) On my old 4x8 layout, I had 12 volts traveling through thin bare wire over plasticville telephone poles, with each building drawing utility lighting from the nearest pole (like outside your own house.) One day I came into the room to find Godzilla destroying Tokyo. My rambunctiously youthful cat, Piccolo, was up on the layout, all tangled in live bare wires, pulling at them and chewing on them. 4 or 5 broken poles were still attached to the strand which continued to spark with every short and zap the kitten's tongue as he struggled to get free. I was pissed about the damage, but I could not help laughing out loud at the sight of the monster attacking the power lines. (For those of you who are bound to ask, a Marx low-end transformer with no circuit breaker.) B.) Cats love the sweet taste of anti-freeze. So do some other animals. The liver damage is irreversible. Same for mothballs (camphor). Locked is a closet with them, a cat is a goner. I love my fuzzies. I hate some of the stuff they do (do not get me started on the 1946 MINT K-5 Flyer Pacific I picked up for $40 that took flight from the mantle to the hearthstone below, thanks to my mother's sweet darling tabby), but they are my other hobby. So there's a little conflict. We make adjustments. C.) I have two F-40's. Can I have a Genesis or two? Also, I'd like an MHC (Amtrak Boxcar), and a regular baggage car. How tough could this be? Multiple manufacturers have competing versions of this stuff in 0, in H0, and in N. D.) Are there ANY steam engines on anybodys drafting table? E.) American Hi-Rail (Tom?) has made some modern shells, but he shows little interest in any more manufacturing, particularly modern diesels. I saw him at York when he was selling Hiawatha engine shells and he had some diesels that he verbally dissed as being "only a modern" whatever. I don't think he is going to produce what doesn't interest him because its a hobby more than a business. He hasn't been to York since. I understand that he made all the Ballston shells for the Jersey Central camelback and the Hiawatha cars. F.) All the GP38-2's that served in passenger service on the LIRR (and that's a lot) have been sold off (or are in the process of being sold). Some have landed in the yards of the NY&ARR, which franchises LIRR freight service. Iv'e seen them in action in their new green livery and diamond logo. The rest may end up distributed over the U.S. on other power tight roads. G.) Don: Wasn't an SW-1 a modern engine in 1939?? ;~[} H.) Lionel already fed ethylene glycol to American Flyer. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7517	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

In a message dated 3/4/2000 11:14:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes: << > cbtrainnut writes: > >Question : how to get rid of cat hair on layout. > >answer:"Ethylene glycol is DEADLY for cats. > >Seems awful simple doesn't it? > > Seems just awful. Hope you are kidding. > Chris Z. >> I hope he was kidding also. Ethylene glycol give cats an off taste when cooking them up in cat moo goo gy pan. Hate to ruin a good meal just because of something they drank.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7518	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 5, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7519	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Modern Engines - GP30s

In a message dated 3/5/2000 7:40:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, robin@... writes: << From: Don Thompson <robin@...> I wonder who bought all of those Atlantic Coast Line SW-9's?....... and so far the Seaboard SW-1 is our most reserved unit. Bill Wade wrote: > ......................no one was modeling the southern roads, >> Southern lines may be ok but C and NW rules. Lived in Illinois during the late 50's and early 60's as a kid. My best friend was the crossing guard for C&NW. Told super stories of his 40 + years with them. Developed my love of trains from him. By the way, ordered my SW-1 yesterday from my local dealer as well as a bay window crummy. Van't wait to get them both!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7520	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

I would love to participate in chat , however, i'm such a novice at this that I can't find the group in Yahoo's vast aray of Chat rooms. I think more of us (rookies ) would join in if we knew where you were?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7521	From: john foley	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Sales Tax

Hi Folks I see that their is a discussion about Sales tax at train shows. Well where the NASG sets up a table to sign folks up we are legal. Sometimes you will see the NASG banner at shows in states we do not have a sales tax certificate, at these shows we only hand out literature and talk up S. As far as conventions, in Ca. we are looking into a temporary sales tax certificate. In 2001 in Pa. we the NASG are already covered. Most states you can get a temporary one event certificate. But some states are just plain NUTS with what they put you through to get a certificate. As far as conventions it is the dealers obligation to get a certificate. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7522	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Southern California sites/shops?

We will be in southern (hopefully sunny) California the first week in April for our honeymoon. Naturally, trains are right up on top of the list of things to do and see. Can anyone recommend shops, etc. from near Universal Studios south to San Diego and the surrounding areas? Thanks, Cheri and John Warner Auburn, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7523	From: James Roberts	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: HOW MODERN

If it takes two years to bring out the model, then even if we had them the newest that I would likely buy would be 1997 style. Then I could start a layout and work on that till about 2010. By then I would be stuck in the past by 13 years. I think that AM had a good idea with the Amtrack set. That could start someone in at that point in time. (It's starting to get dated by now) But I've not seen much to keep that person, you are right about that. Yes, a lot of us were around when Gilbert was in business, got started then, and are stuck in that time frame. But, even in other scales there are a lot of people that model the transition era, just like the mix even many that hadn't been born at that time. If the companies we have now are selling all they can put out of what they have to offer, they must know something of where there is a ready market. So, I'd love to see the new stuff. I wish the best to anyone willing to try that market. But, I too am one of those festinated with the past and so am stuck in that time period with my modeling. Look at all of the narrow gauge molders. Other than tourist operations, how many of those are operating today ? Yet the ranks seem to grow. Most people that I see in that model in the 1930's, 1920's or before. I bet not many of them were living when the road they model was active. Yes, some fudge into a "what if the road were still active today" mode. That doesn't seem to be a very big part, but it is there. That group fits in with the, keep steam active past when in fact it was going to the scrap dealer, group. They are the run anything they like people. But, to get back to a point, a manufacturer is going to invest his time and money where he thinks he can get the quickest turnaround. He puts money in, he wants the product to sell and give him back that money, some to cover expenses, and pay him for his time and trouble. If, when it's over, the money you put into a business hasn't paid you as much as you'd have gotten by just putting it in a bank, YOU'VE LOST MONEY ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7524	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Modern

Hi There, I like the AM Amtrak set very much. The coaches can be sensitive to track grade/turn combinations resulting in uncoupling. That just tells me I must get the track right. Yes, yes & yes!, where is that Amtrak Boxcar and Baggage car?? (Thanks Chris). Does any gauge model modern automobile transport freight cars? I don't recall seeing them, but they sure appear on the UP line here all the time. (Probably ackward because of size). JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7525	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Modern Stuff and Consensus

By this reasoning only group ( 3 ) is being looked after to any great degree...certainly not current..and with a 1980 cut off...not much around that fits the bill...am not talking about anything that might still be around..more poignantly ..what was introduced to the protottype world that we canget as a model...not a lot :-(( >:~)) Richard John Craft wrote: > > From: John Craft <rrdart@...> > > I have been told that there are and have been 3 basic time periods that are and will continue to be modeled. > > 1. Current aka modern- whatever is outside RIGHT NOW. > 2. 20 years ago. The reasoning for this is that many guys get interested in trains and that interest gets replaced by women and their family and when the families are grown they return to the trains. (Not everyone can afford a Ferrari and a toupee') > 3. Transition era. No matter how far in the past this recedes this was when the big steam engines ran and a huge variety of DIFFERENT looking diesels were made available. > We can't do everything and if we try to we do it all poorly. SHS has a good focus with their products mix. > John C > > P.S., If you want other modern equipment, get together. I am sure that one of the brass importers would work with you if there are sufficient numbers. You could call it "Modern S Models" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/0/_/576498/_/952295334/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7526	From: Richard	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Deep digging escrow etc!!

Hello all There is no easy answer is there!! Personally I shall decline the opportunity on this occasion to invest into "something"..Reason.....I am puting my money into some projects already ...mine ( That is SunnyCreeks) First the switcher..and the second..still undecided !! :-))) I am not inclined to invest in any brass projects...thats just me...Id be hypocritical if I did!! But please ..if there is enough capital and consensus..on a plastic RTR...id probably buy a few (quite a few or more)...a good compromise pick is a mid to late 80's loco of some sort....Id lean towards a GE personally...4 axle probably is also a better bet than 6 axle..though the big fellas are "nice"...:-) I can be a little passionate and forthright at times...I make no aplogy for that. I have no intention of alienating anyone or creating grief..or getting personal..so please take what I offer with a pinch of salt :-) I beleive in S..I would waste my time or money if I didnt...but we certainly have some work ahead. cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7527	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Cats, again

I.) It is not true that now that "CATS" is closing, the animal shelters are going to be overflowing with out of work actors. J.) There is no such product as "Bag and Brag for Cat" so, stop sending recipes. K.) I do know the difference between chickens and cats: two more drumsticks, no bony wings. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7528	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!

The problem with a GE is the truck wheel base. Don T is bring out a F-3 Unit. That will be a 9 foot wheel base and if he or some else brought a GP38-2/40-2/50/60 he could use those trucks and save money. And if Don would sell a few of them to someone else a new would not have made. The GE has 9 foot 3 inch wheel base. You could cheat like Athearn did on his U boats. and used the 9 foot truck. I was told that you can get molds cheaper over across the pond than you can in the US of A. I have not seen it yet. When I was in HO I did the GP15-1 in all five body styles. Of course it was a flat mold with a lot of pieces and I also did a die cast die for the frame. I had 72 hundred dollars in the plastic molds and 36 hundred dollars in the die casting die. I think one thing that is driving up the costs over seas it they are being cut in STEEL. And unless you are going to run 2 or 3 million parts you DO NOT need steel molds. Aluminum 7075 type will do a hundred thousand parts and a regular navel brass will do hundred to hundred fifty thousand parts. I did a replacement hood to fit the Atlas S-2/4 to make it into a S-1/3 and it was a one piece type part with slides in the mold and it only cost me 3800 dollars, of course in brass not steel Mask costs are a way out of line. When I was doing the S scale Tank I was buying masks out of Oregon at 300 to 600 dollars each and these are the same masks that Athearh is using. Some of Dons stuff has to be Pad Printing and this will run about 20 to 30 cents a strike in Oregon. Larry Richard wrote: > From: Richard <richard_snook@...> > > Hello all > > There is no easy answer is there!! > > Personally I shall decline the opportunity on this occasion to invest into > "something"..Reason.....I am puting my money into some projects already > ...mine ( That is SunnyCreeks) First the switcher..and the second..still > undecided !! :-))) > > I am not inclined to invest in any brass projects...thats just me...Id be > hypocritical if I did!! > > But please ..if there is enough capital and consensus..on a plastic RTR...id > probably buy a few (quite a few or more)...a good compromise pick is a mid to > late 80's loco of some sort....Id lean towards a GE personally...4 axle > probably is also a better bet than 6 axle..though the big fellas are > "nice"...:-) > > I can be a little passionate and forthright at times...I make no aplogy for > that. > I have no intention of alienating anyone or creating grief..or getting > personal..so please take what I offer with a pinch of salt :-) > > I beleive in S..I would waste my time or money if I didnt...but we certainly > have some work ahead. > > cheers >:~)) Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952324193/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7529	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Fw: New format [#2571563]

I wrote OneList about their new format. The following is their official reply. I have changed nothing. I am getting more frightened by this world every day. CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <admin@onelist.com> To: <busy-boy@...> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:13 PM Subject: New format [#2571563] Hi, No.1=We are converting the archive from the long list of messages to monthly you will see the messages accourding to the moth you wish to view. No.2=Currently the link it click on messages but it will soon be a caldender on the front page on which you will click to view to desired message. No.3=What links do you have avalable that are intended for the moderator? They only way you could have them is if that is the way the owner of the community has decided to set it up.If it is avalable you will note that if you chose it you will get the following message:"You do not have the privilege to perform this operation for the group alpsdecal." No.4=We have always had HTML it is the perferance of the user if they want to use plain text or HTML. The owner can also have that resolved by telling all members to send messages in plain text. Hopefull I was able to address all of you concerns. If you have any questions please let me know. Thanks for using ONElist and have a great day! For helpful hints, please visit: http://www.onelist.com/help/ If you have any further questions please do not reply on this ticket number. Send another email to support@onelist.com to create a new ticket number. Vivian ONElist Customer Support Team ------- Original Message -------- From: notify@onelist.com To: suggestion@... Subject: New format Date: 03/03/00 06:45:16 Email: busy-boy@... Suggestion: I am a member of several lists, although I communicate most often on the S-Trains list. The biggest problem was the long wait for the archive page to load when I wanted to check older posts. Otherwise, One-list was highly functional. I thank you for addressing the one problem, however, the solution unfortunately sucks, big time. Scrolling through a day's posts is infinitely superior to viewing each independently. Where is the link to the archives? Why do I (and everyone who uses One- List) now have links intended only for the use of the moderator? This is not a chat room, but there is a "banned" link. "Pending" and other utilities should be available only when the moderator enters a code. There is NO reason to have an option like viewing "source" versus formatted messages. The last thing we want on these lists is HTML support. Don't even consider it. If that is in your plans, I would recommend to our moderator that we move off One-List. Viewing by thread is virtually useless since list contributors are trained to not use "reply" so as to avoid endless repeat posts. There is an old axiom: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Maybe you should have asked us what we want before you changed what we had. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7530	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!

I am sorry Larry, I think that concessions that have been made on products already out there have hurt us. Who models modern passenger power in HO that is going to come over after taking a close look at the Amtrak set? I believe that what has going for us the most is that it is large enough to appreciate the subtle difference between a 9' and 9'3" wheelbase even though it is only 9/64". It is all in relative size and perspective. Respectfully, John Craft > From: lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> > The problem with a GE is the truck wheel base. Don T is bring out a F-3 Unit. > That will be a 9 foot wheel base and if he or some else brought a > GP38-2/40-2/50/60 he could use those trucks and save money. And if Don would sell > a few of them to someone else a new would not have made. The GE has 9 foot 3 inch > wheel base. You could cheat like Athearn did on his U boats. and used the 9 foot > truck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7531	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: New format [#2571563]

What if I want to review butterflies?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7532	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Deep digging escrow etc!!

> > the subtle difference between a 9' and 9'3" wheelbase even though it is only 9/64". ok, 3/64" the point is the little details make the difference!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7533	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: An Alternative to eBay

Ok big spenders. This is a chance to help one of your American Flyer collector pals. Unfortunately, I am also a dreaded "dealer". Yes, I travel at my own expense, buy flyer at fair prices, spend the time and effort and money to make it ready for market, shell out bucks for a nice website and train mag advertising, all in the hopes of selling for a modest profit to support my family and occasionally keep a piece for my own collection. And , oh yes, pay sales taxes and income taxes and mercantile taxes and corporate taxes and show table rents and........... Anyway, I have put some quality (and some not so) Flyer on sale this month because it has been on the list for a while. Some of it is below cost. I need to generate some cash for my buying trip to York. The spring trip will keep stuff on the list through most of the summer. I always offer it to my customers first but, if it doesn't sell now, it goes to eBay and and we will see what the market place will bring. Go to my list and look for the "SALE". Happy hunting! Mark B. Preman http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7534	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: new format

Scary is right. I have heard about garbage in/garbage out (GIGO) but this is garbage running the network! Guess these internet startups are desparate for people. They are becoming a bad joke. A small airplane buzzed my house for a week dragging a banner for essential.com whatever that is. And they are not making any money either, most of them, and never will. I expect a crash, probably right after the election. Then it will be possible to find a decent apartment in NYC once again. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.]

johnb@... wrote: >I would love to participate in chat , however, i'm such a novice at this >that I can't find the group in Yahoo's vast aray of Chat rooms. >I think more of us (rookies ) would join in if we knew where you were? Please take a look at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm and see if that helps. It seems easier to me to find a person than a particular chat room. Once you get there you can establist me as a 'Yahoo Friend" then next time it is even easier. I will show up on your "Friends List" as you enter the first chat screen. Hope this helps. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7536	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: Dose of reality

Whew! 8 Digests from S-Scale and 6 from S-Trains over the weekend. That's a lot to review on a Monday morning...It's gonna take a while to review in depth and comment on specifics if the threads don't go cold. BUT... The comments from Don T., Billy W. and Larry J. about the costs involved for doing a product for "S" are enlightening. And these are pretty much fixed costs, exclusive of what is being manufactured. Gentlemen, I regret that I do not have such a large volume of money at my disposal, to either assist you in your quest to make "S" products or to strike out on my own to join your Manufactures' Club. All I can offer is my deposits, and my continued purchases. It's a wonder why you guys keep putting up with and try to satisfy the "S" market, for no matter what you produce, we seem not to be completely satitfied. It MUST be love... Keep up the good work...to ALL of our S manufactures. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7537	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Marketing

Gentleman they build your favorite die cast auto, not because you asked for it on a web site, but because the market is there. If we all work on growing S our biggest problem will be to find money to buy all the new stuff. We have to focus on growing. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7538	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: An oldie but moldy

James Roberts wrote: >Look at all of the narrow gauge molders. Sometimes a little typo can be soooo funny! Sorry, I'll behave. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7539	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: How Modern

James Roberts wrote: >But a manufacturer is going to invest his time and money where he thinks he >can get the quickest turnaround. He puts money in, he wants the product to >sell and give him back that money, some to cover expenses, and pay him for >his time and trouble. If, when it's over, the money you put into a business >hasn't paid you as much as you'd have gotten by just putting it in a bank, >YOU'VE LOST MONEY ! James makes a good and valid point, but . . . If we as modelers and collectors were to shape our hobby to conform to this, we'd all be into Beanie Babies. Ty manufacturing uses offshore labor to sew together two little pieces of fabric around a beanbag and sells it for 6 bucks. Cost per unit including shipping is probably less than a dollar. Breakage is nil. This is a hobby business built for profit! So, why don't you want Beanie Babies?? C'mon, let's all help the manufacturer! James point IS valid, insofar as a manufacturer venturing into areas where he might lose his shirt, stuck with unsold inventory and unable to recoup his costs is concerned. But this hobby has to stay diversified to stay vital. Recent posts on this topic put forth the idea that there is a silent majority of transition era people not being heard on this modern era thread. True, but just about all the toys out there at the moment belong to this group. Is the point being made that modern era people should not get what they want because they are too small a group to count, even if they are being rather outspoken at this moment? An earlier post displayed a chart of relative era popularity among modelers. Steam and odd shaped early diesels are always going to outdraw the field. I was interested in the results for number two, modern era. The toy train revival has been going on for about twenty years now. It was spurred on by the reawakening of the aging baby-boomers to the joys of their old toys. It began with manufacturers rehashing some old numbers, re-releasing the classics your parents never bought you. It was exciting to finally get my NP, UP and MP sets. Then they started branching out into new areas. SP, wow! This was going on over at Big L in 0 gauge, with Hudsons and F-3's, then PA's and now articulateds. New manufacturers joined the fray, and we all (especially the three rail guys) started to believe ANYTHING was possible. So then, something entirely new happened. We reverted to what we were in our childhood; big happy kids, poring over catalogs. And we wanted to reach out and touch trains again. As we did, we discovered what was on the real high iron, and it excited us. We wanted to lash up five big wide cab diesels in a mix of CSX, NS and CR Blue to pull a unit train of 50 or 100 coalporters. We wanted to recreate what we saw on the road. So we come back to the hobby and we find it has made us a Southern Crescent set! Yea!!! I did want that, but . . . I guess all we so called modern modelers want is what we had when we were kids . . . copies of real prototypes out on the road right now. Greedy little so-and-so's that we are, most of us will buy the transition stuff too, because we were there when that was alive and running. But we want to run big double stack inter-modals behind huge UP diesels because they are so awesome. I, personally, am not fixated on the 50's. I can listen to doo-wop and I think the 57 T-Bird was swell. I just happen to live here, now, and I want my trains to be relevant to me. Apparently, there is a groundswell of people who grew up with the trains of one era, abandoned them for awhile, re-entered the hobby where they left off and then accelerated ahead in time. We are a new emerging market and we expect to have company as others hit that accelerator to get the best of both worlds. Build more modern trains. Well cars, covered auto transporters, center bulkhead plywood flats, whalebelly tankers, BIG boxcars. Basically, all the stuff I can buy currently in any hobby store . . . in HO, and mostly in 0! AC4400W's? We kids are expert dreamers. We practiced 40 years ago with our Flyer catalogs. We've only gotten better at it. Two to go with eyes closed and fingers crossed, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7540	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: New format [#2571563]

Periodically I would go to onelist and download all the digests and save them to my hard drive so I could use Alta Vista's Personal search engine, which is much better than onelists, since it allows search for quoted phrases and boolean logic, (string1 near string2 and not string3.) I have subscribed now to the digest format from another e-mail account so that I can get the digest but will now have a gap from the last digest downloaded to the present, since onelist's new format doesn't make whole digests available in the archive any more. Another case of "progress" taking a step backward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7541	From: michael prell	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] cats

All kidding aside, and I sort of regret the bumper sticker stuff, but antifreeze is deadly to the critters. Dogs also. We lost a really great little guy a few years back due to his having injested some of the stuff that had leaked from our old Dodge. Our vet couldn't do a thing for old Duke but put him down. Be careful, please! --- Richard McClary <ardie@...> wrote: > As an employee of the ASPCA National Animal Poison > Control Center, here > is what I understand. (I can't say I "know" this as > I am not a licensed > vet professional.) > > Glycols, especially ethylene (far less so with > proplylene), are > considered dangerous/poisonous because, althouth the > glycol itself does > not kill, it is metabolized into products that DO > and WILL kill > anything/everything. (Woman in St. Charles > convicted of killing a > husband or 2 by mixing it in their drinks.) > > Exposure to glycol is not a death sentence; there is > treatment for it. > If untreated, however, it will cause death from > kidney and liver > failure. (NOT pleasant!) > > ironhors@... wrote: > > > > From: ironhors@... > > > > I have not heard of glycol hurting cats, but it is > possible. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7542	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenery

Hi all: Does anyone know where I can get a subscription to Mainline Modeler (address + years cost for overseas), and possibly a copy of the Nov. '99 issue for the scenery? Tx Rance mhrreast@... wrote: > an S scale narrow gauge modeling article has appeared in Mainline Modeler, > November 1999. Don Ledger presents Forest Modeling - Part One. The trees, > shrubbery, wildflowers, and grass in his forest scene are absolutely astounding.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7543	From: John Craft	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scenery

> http://www.trainweb.com/mainline/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7544	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Missing person

Does anyone have an e-mail address or phone number (or smoke-signal code) for Dan Waskes, believed to be living in or near Clarkesville, Georgia? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7545	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: Ethylene Glycol

A couple of years back when Disney opened their Animal Kingdom down here, some sickos left some containers of this stuff out for the new zoo animals to ingest. The critters died and there was the usual big flap about how 'callous' and incompetent Disney was to try to keep a zoo that people actually came to visit. - Slightly off subject, but, another exclamation point about the toxicity of this material. Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7546	From: William H Trefts	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Window adhesive?

Friends, What adhesive should I use to re-install an original window in a metal American Flyer accessory? Thanks in advance. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7547	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: NYC Gondola

ATTENTION, S O S, S O S!!!!!! Does anyone have any information on the Funaro & Camerlengo S Scale(yes, S Scale), NYC Gondola pictured in the new products column of the Oct.,99, Mailine Moddler, page 18. The cost for the kit is $32.99, was it really S Scale or was it a picture of an HO Scale model? If it is for real, has anyone bought and assembled one? Thanks for any information you can send my way. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7548	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: window adhesive?

Suggest you use Duco cement for this. Put some in a bottle cap and apply it with a toothpick around the edges of the window and opening, then put the window in place. Duco sticks well to acetate windows where many other cements do not. If the window doesn't lay flat you can hold it in place with a couple of those steel strips sold in hardware stores to join wood, forget what they're called, held in place by 2 or 3 clothespins. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7549	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Window adhesive?

hi, i used double sided tape when i did it,,,worked just fine, William H Trefts wrote: > > From: William H Trefts <wmhtreftsv@...> > > Friends, > > What adhesive should I use to re-install an original window in a metal > American Flyer accessory? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bill Trefts > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/952371166/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7550	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] removing cat hair

At 01:14 AM 3/4/00 -0500, cbtrainnut@... wrote: >From: cbtrainnut@... > >The Question was"Awhile back there was some posts about "how to get rid of >cat hair on layout." Several years ago a colleague (not a feline fancier) advised that the most effective solution to cat hair management was to remove it at the source, prior to it getting loose, and recommended the regular use of barber's clippers... :-) MG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7551	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: window adhesive

Double sided tape will work for a while, but then it will get discolored and gummy and fall off, leaving a mess in its wake. Duco should last about 20 years or more with no unsightly blemishes. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7552	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: cat hair

Does anyone know what a cat hair is equivalent to in N scale? Must be a 2 by 4 at least. I am allergic to cat dander or would have determined this vital factoid myself. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7553	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Softening lichen

Glycerine may be the thing that people use to soften lichen. I think it's less toxic than ethylene glycol. Check it out. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7554	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Scale and not so scale

Dear S-friends, I have been following both lists and subscribe to both S GAUGIAN and DISPATCH. Would someone please explain what the big deal is about scale or not scale. How is it that the S GAUGIAN is not scale and the DISPATCH is scale? Will I have a scale layout if I put Kadee couplers and small flanges on my AF cars that represent only a two or three year period? I really don't see much difference between the two magazines as far as the scale issue is concerned. I went looking for the answer in old issues of the S GAUGE HERALD (Dec 1961 $0.35). It had a hi-rail editor, a scale editor and a narrow gauge editor but it was all S. THE S GAUGIAN issue 1964 came with a 4 cent stamp and a cost of 35 cents and the comment "S gauge is growing". It talks about scale and hi-rail as if they were both "S". Don Heimburger has done more than anyone for S-gauge since AC Gilbert. Look at the Nov/Dec 99 issue page 26-27 Is that scale or what? For my money, S is where it's at. Be it scale or hi-rail, northern routes or southern, AF, AM, SWS, what ever turns you on as long as it's S were on the same track...... But that is another issue isn't it. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7555	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: critters

I spent some time in the local public library Sunday looking at publications that I don't personally have. I was able to identify the 3 "HO" scale crittters (industrial locomotives) that I have. For those of you who missed my comments some months back, these little varmints are HO GAUGE, but the bodies are nearly exactly S scale. Look in the second Diesel Locomotive Spotters Guide, towards the back, in the Whitcomb section. One of the engines I have is an almost exact match to the 30 ton unit on the left. Look in the 1970 Car and Locomotive Cyclopedia, at the Plymouth Locomotives ad near the back. One of my critters is the W Series shown at the bottom right. The other is a slightly longer version of the D Series shown in the middle of the page. If anybody can direct me to more detailed info on these varmints, please do so. I'll try and get these scanned, and place them in the shared files section of S Scale at Onelist. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7556	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash

In a message dated 3/6/00 8:59:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I expect a crash, probably right after the election. Then it will be possible to find a decent apartment in NYC once again. Tom Jarcho >> Depends............. Are you voting for Hillary? What if she actually WINS?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7557	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: ebay post

Wow! Some incredible items came up last week. 582 Highway Flasher 24425 BAR reefer 641 gray gondola 288 C&NW pacific This last one sure looked for real on the numbers below the cab windows. Typeface looked just like the 287 and 289. Piece went for about $133 I think. Incredible. The flasher and reefer were hidden in innocuous looking lot descriptions. A search wouldn't have revealed either. Did I miss any other sleepers? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7558	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Mark Preman

Okay you guys and gals I can Personally vouch for Mark weather it means much but if you havent checked out his site do it now he has nice stuff at fair prices His descriptions are very accurate From a satisfied customer . Joe PS okay guys you got me down on the tax thing please dont kick me any more .Have fun keep on runnin those trains Joe JOEAWOOD@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7559	From: Richard	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: NASG Dispatch...go public!!

Lets see if I can through this whole email without mentioning the "M" word!! The idea of the "Dispatch" becoming a puclic access mag is great. Here in OZ we have our primary magazine "AMRM"..."Australia Model Railway Magazine" What makes it a bit different is that though it is looked upon as the defacto Australian pulication for Model Railways it is actually the "club" or "association" mag for the Southern Cross Model Railway Association!!.Just everyone reads it and you can buy it at most normal magazine outlets here!! To do something similar would be marvellous for S. The "Dispatch" is a good rag..quite presentable for public consumation....maybe some deal could be struck with Kalmbach or simialr for distribution!!....and there is already a web site to tie into!! mmmm...this has distinct possibilities :-) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7560	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash

Hope the house lands on her in OZ Larry > > Depends............. Are you voting for Hillary? What if she actually WINS? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7561	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: crash

My little offhand comment there about the election has revealed some serious interest in the circus that is the upcoming New York senatorial election, especially about Hillary. Glad to chat with anyone about this mess but we better do it off list. My view is that everything is connected to everything, but not all of us share that view. The connections between American politics and railroads are very interesting. I would love to model Truman's 1948 campaign train, perhaps with a small sound device broadcasting one of his speeches from the observation car at the push of a button. This would be the real Harry "S". But where do I find an s scale president? One of my goals this year is to find more interesting ways to use sound with my trains. More on that later. Tom Jarcho NYC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7562	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] crash

Interesting selection. One of my old family friends was the head special agent for the SP when he came through Dunsmuir, and a photo of him on the car platform with H. Truman was always on his mantle. Jim had a lot of stories to tell, wish I'd listened more. And to prove he had class, he gave his son an AF heavyweight passenger set--which he still has! (or did, last I saw him-nah, I can't convince him that it would fare better in my care!!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7563	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: That "O"ther scale...

Howdy partners, The "O" world is a-buzz with tales of industrial espionage involving Lionel's Korean builder pilfering MTH's big locomotive designs. Aren't you glad that this is something "S" scale will never have to worry about? Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7564	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Korean Connection

What?? No comments from you boys about Lionel getting its proverbial tit in a wringer for allegedly heisting MTH plans from MTH's Samhongsa production facility? Korean Brass, the Lionel producer, got caught red handed with MTH drawings and Korean authorities confiscated 2,200 of Lionel's engines! Check out MTH's Andy Edleman's press release from yesterday. This is great stuff!! Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7565	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: SCALE AND NOT SO SCALE

In answer to Dave Ewing and others. "Yes, Virginia there is an S Gauge". Be it scale, hirail or American Flyer it's the S gene in your blood. It's a size that fits comfortably in your hand, people can see in your basement and does't take years to detail before you can show it to your friends. Our club has Flyer, hi-rail, scale and Sn3 members. Having all the above helps develop all kinds of skills and friendships. Yes, S Gauge is the "S"olid way. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7566	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: window adhesive

I use ZapAGap. Trim and test the fit of every window in the accessory first. Then, one window at a time, use a toothpick to spread a thin amount of the glue around the perimeter of a window and gently place it in the accessory. This stuff sets fast but you'll have a second or two to adjust its position. So far so good with mine. PS ZapADab II works well too as faster drying substitute for Duco cement. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7567	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA,DNS	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] window adhesive

Hi, I used clear silcone chaulk....it did a great job..and invisable.Jeff --

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7568	From: J. Row	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7569	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Scale and not so scale

Dear S friends, Thanks for the replys but now a serious question: I have a new SWS starter set and have added many cars. It looks and runs so much than my old AF that I have decided to put AF on a display wall or leave it packed away. SWS comes with two sets of wheels. The larger flanges don't bother me and if they prevent only one derailment it's worth it. I am in the process of getting more SWS track. The option of three different sizes is a new experiance. The 19"r works great and never have had a derailment. The 29"r is my favorite. I can see how the wheel flanges from AF could have some problems on the little SWS track. Is there any track that SWS hi-rail flanges could not run on? Is there any advantage to putting on scale wheels? What is the smallest radius track that "scale" can accept. Michael A Scivoletti suggested an idea that I have never considered. What if I were to run my rolling stock on his track? Would my SWS hi-rail rolling stock run on his scale track. (what ever that is). I really like the Kadee # 802 couplers and plan to convert. Are they considered scale? Could they run on Mike's track? I would really like to buy AM's Pacific. But first I would like to solve this wheel flange problem. It is available in both Hi-rail and scale. Will AM's hi-rail flanges run on my SWS track or need I order the scale version and risk it not running on the 19"r switches when they become available? Hope that all these questions don't bother anybody. Have been away from trains for a long time and want to start again on the right track. Only S is a consideration, Thanks again Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7570	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Scale and not so scale

At 12:29 PM 3/7/00 -0500, Dave Ewing wrote: >From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > >Dear S friends, > >Thanks for the replys but now a serious question: > >29"r is my favorite. I can see how the wheel flanges from AF could have some >problems on the little SWS track. Is there any track that SWS hi-rail >flanges could not run on? Is there any advantage to putting on scale wheels? The SHS track you are using is code 125 (.125" tall). It will run scale, hi-rail, and most AF. There are some ultra-large flanged AF pieces that might cause some problems, but all mine works. >What is the smallest radius track that "scale" can accept. The radius depends mostly on the bodymount couplers, and the locos. The SHS SW9s and the AM locos will all run on 19" radius with either scale or hirail wheels, but you will have some problems with bodymount Kadees and long cars. The bigger issue for scale devotees is the way it looks. Tight turns with long equipment does not look very good. Most scale folks would want an absolute minimum 27" radius, or maybe more. All life is a tradeoff, and in the end you'll have to decide what looks good to you. >Michael A Scivoletti suggested an idea that I have never considered. What if I were to >run my rolling stock on his track? Would my SWS hi-rail rolling stock run on >his scale track. (what ever that is). I believe that Mike has code 100. Hirail wheels will not work on code 100 track. The flanges bounce on the ties! >I really like the Kadee # 802 couplers >and plan to convert. Are they considered scale? Could they run on Mike's >track? There is some controversy between Kadee #5 and #802, but I think most people would consider 802 "scale" (its actually a little large). 802s work great on scale layouts. I have converted all my stuff (including Flyer) to 802s. >I would really like to buy AM's Pacific. But first I would like to >solve this wheel flange problem. >It is available in both Hi-rail and scale. Will AM's hi-rail flanges run on >my SWS track or need I order the scale version and risk it not running on >the 19"r switches when they become available? The AM Pacific will run on SHS track with either scale wheels or hirail wheels. I believe that the switches being done by SHS (number 3's, compatible with AF switches), will not work with both scale and hirail wheels. The current AM switches have the same issue. They are both open frog switches, and have to be set for a particular style of wheel. You can set them to work for scale or for hirail, not both. Higher numbered versions of the SHS switches probably will be closed frog, but I'm not sure about that. AM has announced a closed-frog switch in the future. >Hope that all these questions don't bother anybody. Hope my answers don't bother anyone! There is often a lot of emotion tied to the scale/hirail issue. My position is that I love all types and gauges of S scale trains. Pick what works best for you and enjoy them! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7571	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: trestle pieces

might someone out there help me out? I purchased a trestle set via that auction service we don't talk about. Problem is that it arrived with 24 pieces instead of 26 and was missing both #2 pieces (second from lowest) This was an honest oversight by seller and I decided to keep same. Would anyone have odd trestle pieces who could send me the two pieces?. They are both #2 in black. Would send reasonable payment and mailing cost. Thanks. Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7572	From: Novak, William	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Growing S Gauge

One way of helping to get young folks interested in S Gauge (and railroading in general) is to do so through the Boy Scouts. There is a Railroading Merit Badge for scouts that offers a good opportunity to acquaint scouts with our gauge. I plan on offering the badge to my son's troop this spring/summer. Requirements for the badge include learning not only how real railroads work but also working with model railroads. The modeling requirements for the badge are: Do TWO of the following:a. Know the name, scale, and track gauge for four model railroad gauges. Show the correct way to clean and oil model train equipment. b. Draw to scale the layout of your own model railroad; or one that could be built in your home. Have a point-to-point or loop road with different routings. Include a turnaround, a terminal, a yard, and a siding. c. Alone or with others, build a model railroad layout. Lay track with ties, ballast, and scenery. Make connections from power supply to track and accessories. d. Build a scale model of a locomotive (with or without power) or make two cars (Kits with extra detail may be used.) e. Draw scale plans and build two accessories. As you can see, there are great opportunities for getting kids into S with this badge. More details can be found at: http://www.usscouts.scouter.com/mb/ I plan on using my AF, SHS and AM equipment to demonstrate the history of RR motive power development and other aspects of the trade. I also hope to take the boys to a local train meet, possibly one with a S-Gauge modular set up such as the Baltimore club has or our more recently established Washington & Old Dominion Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. The big trip will be to use a combination of the Virginia Railway Express, Washington Metro, Amtrak and MARC to go from Arlington, VA up to the B&O Museum in Baltimore. I really encourage any S-Gauger who is associated with scouting, or has friends who are, to look into using this merit badge as a means of getting youngsters into "training". As far as I know, all it takes is filling out a couple of forms and an optional 2-hour training course to become a merit badge counselor. Bill Novak Arlington, VA wjnovak@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7573	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BSA Merit Badges

One further note, those of us in the NMRA can earn credit towards the Association Volunteer Achievement Award for serving as Boy Scout Merit Badge Counselor. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Novak, William <wjnovak@...> To: 'S-Trains@onelist.com' <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:01 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Growing S Gauge >From: "Novak, William" <wjnovak@...> > >One way of helping to get young folks interested in S Gauge (and >railroading in general) is to do so through the Boy Scouts. There is a >Railroading Merit Badge for scouts that offers a good opportunity to >acquaint scouts with our gauge. I plan on offering the badge to my >son's troop this spring/summer. Requirements for the badge include >learning not only how real railroads work but also working with model >railroads. The modeling requirements for the badge are: > >Do TWO of the following:a. Know the name, scale, and track gauge for >four model railroad gauges. Show the correct way to clean and oil model >train equipment. b. Draw to scale the layout of your own model railroad; >or one that could be built in your home. Have a point-to-point or loop >road with different routings. Include a turnaround, a terminal, a yard, >and a siding. c. Alone or with others, build a model railroad layout. >Lay track with ties, ballast, and scenery. Make connections from power >supply to track and accessories. d. Build a scale model of a locomotive >(with or without power) or make two cars (Kits with extra detail may be >used.) e. Draw scale plans and build two accessories. > >As you can see, there are great opportunities for getting kids into S >with this badge. More details can be found at: >http://www.usscouts.scouter.com/mb/ > >I plan on using my AF, SHS and AM equipment to demonstrate the history >of RR motive power development and other aspects of the trade. I also >hope to take the boys to a local train meet, possibly one with a S-Gauge >modular set up such as the Baltimore club has or our more recently >established Washington & Old Dominion Division of the Atlantic Coast S >Gaugers. The big trip will be to use a combination of the Virginia >Railway Express, Washington Metro, Amtrak and MARC to go from Arlington, >VA up to the B&O Museum in Baltimore. > >I really encourage any S-Gauger who is associated with scouting, or has >friends who are, to look into using this merit badge as a means of >getting youngsters into "training". As far as I know, all it takes is >filling out a couple of forms and an optional 2-hour training course to >become a merit badge counselor. > >Bill Novak >Arlington, VA >wjnovak@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7574	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Last Call for Coal Loader

This is the last call to order the new #30-9043 MTH Coal Loader at the special delivered (continental U.S.) price of $135 (regular retail price is $149.95). As the order goes in tomorrow (Wednesday) afternoon, I cannot accept any additional guaranteed for delivery orders at this price after that time. This Coal Loader is a duplicate of the American Flyer 785/23785 Coal Loader. Thanks to the dozens who already have placed an order for this Loader. Delivery to dealers is scheduled for September, with an October delivery date to customers. You will be notified when delivery is imminent as to your preferred method of payment (personal check, Visa, or Master Card). Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7575	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Scale and not so scale

Well, Kelvin White I would like to thank you for your reply. But I would like to add the following: Don Heimburger started S gauge as a hobby with a single AF 0-8-0 switcher. He collected every S trains that he could borrow and put on a AF open house when he was in high school just to show people what S was all about. (gave the trains back) He then put together a real operating rail road museum. Don started the S GAUGIAN in high school and later turned it into a college project. That was some forty years ago and it is still alive today. He is the only person that I know of that had the "S gene" inside of him so big that it consumed his whole life. How many of us say that we wished we could have done this or that with our lives. Well, Don Heimburger has done it and done it very well. And that is what makes him a hero in my eyes. I really don't understand the negative comments on the list lately about the S Gaugian. We talk about needing more people in S and letting people know what is available. Isn't that just what Don has always done? and is doing? If he doesn't advertise his competition, so what, did you ever see Ford advertise another car or truck? How can anyone say that they support "S" if they don't support AF, AM, SWS, NASG, and all the rest including the S GAUGIAN. Kelvin, I like all trains, all gauges, I just prefer to model in "S". I save all of your comments so keep them coming. Your friend in S Dave PS to that guy from down under Who can we write to - to get the S magazines published down there? ____________________________________________________________________________ > >Don Heimburger has done more than anyone for S-gauge since AC Gilbert. > > As proprietor of Scenery Unlimited - I would give an unreserved Yes, as > an Editor the answer is still NO. > -- > Kelvin White > Oxford England

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7576	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: 3107 Prewar

Can someone please tell me about a AF prewar 3107 set and value. Thanks. Bob Wight.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7577	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: New photos added at..........

Folks, Today I added some new photos to my Missouri Pacific Web page at: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ Here are the photos I added BNSF 50' boxcar BN 50' boxcar Cotton Belt 3 bay center flow CGW 3 bay covered hopper CGW 2 bay covered hopper CNW 3 bay covered hopper CP 86' auto rack DJTX 3 bay covered hopper DRGW 2 bay ballast car MKT 50' flatcar with wheels MP (MP) 50' boxcar SIRX 3 bay covered hopper SMNX 3 bay covered hopper SP 60' gondola SP short ballast car UTLX tank car WE 50' plug door boxcar Enjoy! -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7578	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: the Dispatch and non-profit status

The question has come up about promoting S using the Dispatch as an "off-the-shelf" magazine. Some have expressed doubt about the non-profit status allowing such use. Non-profit status does not mean you don't make a profit!! I does mean that no individual can profit from it, though. The organization can, and that is how many survive. Income must come from activity closely related to the organization's purpose. Museums have gift shops that produce income (in museum circles, the reaction to this income-generating ability is, "It's the gift shop, stupid!" -- just as the snack bar is probably the greatest profit center for the movie theater!) It is considered "related income" as the items relate to the museum collection, they're "educational" As NASG exists as a special interest group, with at least on function to educate the public of S gauge, the Dispatch can exist as that educational outreach, and probably can make money for the organization while doing so. I'm no lawyer, and don't even play one on TV (;-) ), but I believe this is how other groups are allowed to sell their publications, such as the Colorado RR Museum does. Of course, this doesn't address the problem of producing a magazine that would have newsstand appeal, and balance to be of interest to a broad spectrum of potential S gauge/S scale people. It would probably have to be larger, and more articles--and there's the rub!!!! Takes a lot of time to develop all that writing. Full-time job almost! I do find it interesting that there seems to be a lot of complaints about its Hi-rail or AF leaning. I was asked to come on board to provide some AF/hi-highrail "balance" to what was perceived as a mostly scale mag. Hmm. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, ain't it? S' David "run 'em if ya got 'em" Dewey AKA "Packrat Dewey" We are having fun, aren't we??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7579	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Thanks/Preman/Magazines

I asked for two missing tretsle pieces and a very kind s-gauger contacted me immediately about them. Mark Preman is great and is not only a fair dealer but is helping the cause. I went to several libraries to look at model train mags. Most had pubs that talked mostly about HO and Garden Railroads. Only one out seven I went to had classic toy trains. I am trying to educate them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7580	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] the Dispatch and non-profit status

In most movie theaters the snack bar is the only thing that is profitable. Larry David Dewey wrote: > -- just as the snack bar is probably the greatest profit > center for the movie theater!) It is considered "related income" as the

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7581	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: I am into AF and Scale

I just waisted my time looking through a lot of articals, and all that energy could have been used to educate us on how to do things. We would not subscribe to a RR mag. that did not have content. If we form a second web on Yahoo can we limit it to how to do things? We all can help each other if we write useful articals. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7582	From: Richard Wholf	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: Repairing Crane #944

Have recently received an AF944 Industrial Brownhoist. Unfortunately, the crane apparently was kept in a damp area with the result that the pulleys and metal pulley support on the crane arm are very rusted and even "crusted". Most of the metal surfaces found in,on or under the crane are rusted. Would appreciate suggestions from someone who's restored one of these on what to use to remove the rust without damaging the plastic body of the crane or the car frame. Thanks a lot, Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7583	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/7/2000
Subject: repairing Crane #944

First, dissassemble the crane completely. Then,I would apply some WD-40 to the rusted areas with a q-tip, and let it soak in for a while, watching that the WD didn't spread to where it's not needed, esp. the lettering. Then use some abrasive tools to attack the rust and corrosion. A small wire brush is best. For narrow areas where using the wire brush would scratch the paint or plastic, you can use small needle files. In extremely close quarters, an exacto knife may help, too. This may take some time and several repetitions. Flat ametal areas can then be smoothed with #400 and #600 sandpaper. When finished, wash off the WD-40 completely with a mixture of liquid dish detergent such as Palmolive or Ivory and a toothbrush and rinse, keeping undiluted detergent away from the lettering. You will then have to re-blacken the blackened metal areas with Blacken-it or gun blueing. Follow the directions with the agent you use. Several applications of this may be necessary too, and it won't be perfect. Other list members will also have other helpful suggestions. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7584	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Chat Room

Anyone can open a chat room anytime they want. Anyone can 'create a chatroom' called 'S-Trains'. The only reason I put the 8-9 pm EST was that I go to bed at 9pm on Sunday night. Back in the old days it was not uncommon for me to be the only person there. Usually there was one or two others, but it was un fair for me to ask them to hang arround for an hour just incase someone else showed up. To make a short story long, that is why I designated 8-9pm for the chat. I am very glad we are getting a good turn out, and I think more will join as folks figure it out. And I hope it does extend past 9pm. I realize there are folks out west that are unavailable at 9EST. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/chat/chat.htm See you all on Sunday Night! Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7585	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: rust

I've found a Dremel with a foot-activated speed control and their conical shaped wire brush works well. Apply WD-40 before and let it soak in awhile. I even apply some during the removal process, but keep the speed down, otherwise you'll have stripes of rusty sauce across everything around. I'd like to know more about the blackening or blueing agents and process that Tom J mentioned. Has anyone used the agent sold by RF Giardinia? What works best? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7586	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: espionage

Dave Ewing says: I have a new SWS starter set, I am in the process of getting more SWS track. I have it on good authority that Chinese agents of SWS lifted entire blueprints from the SHS facility and are now duplicating Don's entire line. They call it the "Showplace Line" and their cars are $14.99. The switchers are $125! Of course, none of us would ever have anything to do with such a dastardly plot (except Dave Ewing, apparently). They can keep their cheap trains and track. Two to go, Chris Zizzo P.S.: Contact me off list for details. Purely for educational purposes, of course.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7587	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room

Hello all, Well, that may be the "official" time, but whenever I've been there, it is just starting to really roll around 9EST, and Paul gets a good ribbing for leaving the party early! I would say an average evening is from 8 to 10 PM EST (that's 5 to 7 PM PST!) and the group is growing. One night we had chatters from England, Australia, Florida, Calif. Washington, and points in-between. Oh, and some "drop-ins" who didn't know where they were (see my bedroom cam????--well, gee, is that where your layout is??--uh don't go there!) Interesting idea though, live railroad layout cam! Hmm would we be the first scale with such a feature?? Anyway, it's a fun place, sometimes takes a bit of clicking to get there, but it's worth it! S'incerely, David Dewey Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7588	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

If this is true Don can stop it at the port of entry. All he has to do is file papers. Sun Dance ( that is what he calls himself) brings in RR pins from Korea and someone is copying his stuff. He has filed with customs and they stop and confiscate the copies Larry busy-boy wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7589	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

Is S gauge getting so big that someone thinks it is worth stealing blueprints and making knock-offs? This must be a bigger market than any of us knew! Maybe this is why Lionel is sold out of 2000 product already!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7590	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

You guys know that Chris was just kidding, right? Dave accidently typed SWS instead of SHS. At 11:48 AM 3/8/00 -0500, Chuck Harrington wrote: >From: Chuck Harrington <paketpet@...> > >Is S gauge getting so big that someone thinks it is worth stealing >blueprints and making knock-offs? This must be a bigger market than any >of us knew! Maybe this is why Lionel is sold out of 2000 product >already! > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates >as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/952534143/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7591	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: AF track

I am looking to obtain a fairly large amount of AF or Gargraves track (K-Line would work too) that is RUSTY, but not bent for a layout project I am soon to start. I do not want good clean track. If anyone out there has any they want to part with, let me know. I will pay shipping and a reasonable price for your otherwise unusable track. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7592	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: 3107 Prewar

Thank You Rodger. Bob Wight Roger Delthony wrote: > Bob, > > Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer Prewar O Gauge describes 3107 as a > midsized New Haven styled boxcab electric locomotive. 1997 value is > given as $75-$90 in good condition and $140-$175 in excellent condition > depending on which color variation it is. > > Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7593	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge track ballast

I recently completed a test with the S-Gauge track ballast that George has listed on various auction sites. I ballasted a 20" straight section of AF track with wood ties in the gaps over a piece of Homabed with 60 degree sides. It took about a pound of material to do this. This stuff looks real good. I only wish the gray was slightly darker in color. I may try to do a test with a light wash of darker gray paint or maybe spray paint. Anyway, if you are making a layout and want some authentic looking ballast, this may be the way to go. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7594	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

Wow, Chris, What did I say to deserve this? From the time I first saw SWS I have always been 100% for their products. In fact I have just ordered six more of their cars at $ 39.95 each. Have been considering the SWS F3. However, don't hold me to it. That AM 4-6-2 looks awfully nice I have never even heard about "Showplace Line" But whatever their price might be I WILL stay loyal to Don at SWS. Thanks for the warning and if you're ever in NC stop by. You will see AF, AM, SWS and Kadee but never Showplace. Not trying to leave any other great products out but I don't have anything else...yet...(small grin). Chris, I have enjoyed your other posts and consider you one of the good guys. Hope this miss understanding will pass. Later, good buddy Dave .--- Original Message ----- From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> To: slist <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] espionage > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > Dave Ewing says: > I have a new SWS starter set, I am in the > process of getting more SWS track. > > > I have it on good authority that Chinese agents of SWS lifted entire > blueprints from the SHS facility and are now duplicating Don's entire line. > They call it the "Showplace Line" and their cars are $14.99. The switchers > are $125! Of course, none of us would ever have anything to do with such a > dastardly plot (except Dave Ewing, apparently). They can keep their cheap > trains and track. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > P.S.: Contact me off list for details. Purely for educational purposes, of > course. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/952528530/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7595	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

Chris, Sorry about that SWS Your humor went over my head this time. Thanks for the correction Of course, I meant SHS. Dave ps... Sorry about that Don ----- Original Message ----- From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> To: slist <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 10:00 AM Subject: [S-Trains] espionage > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > Dave Ewing says: > I have a new SWS starter set, I am in the > process of getting more SWS track. > > > I have it on good authority that Chinese agents of SWS lifted entire > blueprints from the SHS facility and are now duplicating Don's entire line. > They call it the "Showplace Line" and their cars are $14.99. The switchers > are $125! Of course, none of us would ever have anything to do with such a > dastardly plot (except Dave Ewing, apparently). They can keep their cheap > trains and track. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > P.S.: Contact me off list for details. Purely for educational purposes, of > course. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/952528530/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7596	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

Thanks Bill Clark I needed that. Chris was just trying to help me not to be stupid again. Daave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7597	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: S Gauge track ballast

"Roger V. Petrella Jr." wrote: > > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > > I recently completed a test with the S-Gauge track ballast that George has listed on > various auction sites. I ballasted a 20" straight section of AF track with wood ties in > the gaps over a piece of Homabed with 60 degree sides. It took about a pound of material > to do this. This stuff looks real good. I only wish the gray was slightly darker in > color. I may try to do a test with a light wash of darker gray paint or maybe spray > paint. Anyway, if you are making a layout and want some authentic looking ballast, this > may be the way to go. > > Roger Petrella Before you try the paint route, give it a wash of Alcohol and India Ink. Add a few drops of ink to a bottle of cheap alcohol and apply with a brush. The alcohol will evaporate and leave the ink behind which will settle in the corners, cracks and crevices, and darken things down a big. After it is dry, if not dark enough, all more. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7598	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room

Hey Dave: You must remember old Norway. I did make it one night (after two of trying) - even though it was 2:00 am! Rance David Dewey wrote: > One night we had > chatters from England, Australia, Florida, Calif. Washington, and points > in-between. Oh, and some "drop-ins" who didn't know where they were (see my > b

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7599	From: John Craft	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] espionage

Dave, Don't worry. I think that he's just happy to be called Don instead of Robin. John Craft > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > ps... Sorry about that Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7600	From: Richard	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat Room

David Dewey wrote: > > > Interesting idea though, live railroad layout cam! Hmm would we be the > first scale with such a feature?? > you know thats not such a silly idea!!!! Invite the world to your next operating session or show!! >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7601	From: john foley	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Fw: Black's Fire Collectibles

----- Original Message ----- From: john foley To: S-Scale Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: Black's Fire Collectibles Hi Folks Thanks to James Sleeth for bring this one to my attention. Black's Fire Collectibles. 1/64th fire trucks & Fire Houses. Check it out at, http://www.bfcollectibles.com John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7602	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] espionage]

Velly intelesting da note below. Does this mean "S" guage is a hot item worth pursuing? Roger > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > Dave Ewing says: > I have it on good authority that Chinese agents of SWS lifted entire > blueprints from the SHS facility and are now duplicating Don's entire line.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7603	From: Jeffrey Burnatowski,GRI,CRS,CBA	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe

Paul Yorke, Could you unsubscribe me...will be out of town for awhile, thanks Jeff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7604	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Korean Connection

ok, where is the press release! Love to see Lyn el get there butts in a sling. If I were Don Thompson or the guys at American Models I would keep a close eye on my suppliers. The only good thing is Lyn el doesn't care to produce high quality at a reasonable price.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7605	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Press Release by MTH

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7606	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: New Ballast and Coal

Hello to All, My name is George Lum (choochoo64) and I'm the guy with the New S Gauge Ballast and Coal. I'm sure a lot of you have seen it on the auction sites, and if you haven't you may visit my site at photopoint.com http://album s.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=31113&a=1706345. I am not a train dealer or a manufacturer of this item, however I do have a friend in the stone and brick business that grinds down this material for me. It was unused material up until now. I'm willing to past it on to my fellow S Guys and S Gal for a price that just can't be beat, 95 cent per pound. For those who received the promotional you only paid for shipping, and now you know why. I just wanted you to see how great it will look on you layout and if you liked it. Thank you Roger for your fine post and by the way I'm working on getting it in dark gray. I would like to thank all of you especially the S Gals (I just didn't know there were so many of you out there) who have purchase and reorder more of my Ballast. I must say, that it even looks good on my display. I feel Ballast is a must on all layouts, so if you don't have any, it's time to get with it before it goes to market. Woodland Scenics was at the Pennsauken, NJ train show this past weekend and I just couldn't help but notice theirs was selling for 3.19 per pound, and that was on sale! OK OK enough of the sale pitch. Enjoy and stay on the right track "S ", George#################### choochoo64

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7607	From: Richard	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Im wondering

Me thinks the situation with "the alledged" (Im not totally stupid!!) pirating of designs etc by Korea Brass that this might well lead to "serious "times for "a particular" company. This is about the most intersting thing Ive heard all year!! I wonder who the productwas actually intended for?? All conjecture of course...I await the unfolding of the facts from this alledged incident!! I am really curious as to who was involved...geez....2200 locos..(that they know of)...wonder what scale they were?? cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7608	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Korean Connection

On 3/8/00 6:47 PM, claimsboss@..., claimsboss@..., said: >ok, where is the press release! http://www.mth-railking.com/stolen.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7609	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Ballast and Coal

In a message dated 3/8/00 8:50:37 PM Central Standard Time, RRDART@... writes: << Subj: Re: [S-Trains] New Ballast and Coal Date: 3/8/00 8:50:37 PM Central Standard Time From: RRDART@... (John Craft) To: gpmlg@... > please resned the link http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=31113&a=1706345 >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7610	From: dlich,	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: mth-theft

ok guys.its not alleged theft....its THEFT.......2 engineers on the korean company under arrest proprietary material of MTH recovered..........locos made from the stolen drawings recovered...........all that is needed is the connection to an american company!!!!..........this one does not seem to be to hard.................dennis lichtenwalter..........yup more interesting than anything the politicians are doing as this really MEANS something

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7611	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Im wondering

The reason Tom Marsh is tying up his builders is some thing that happened a few years ago. A brass importer from Texas walked into a builders shop in Korea, saw some models and asked how much he was getting for them. When he/she heard the price he/she offered more money for the run. The builder said he would let he/she know. The builder contacted his client and said that he had some unseen costs and the run would cost them more. The client said no and the builder sold them to the he/she from Texas. I understand this has happened to other importers. So I understand that is why Tom would never let his builder do work for any one else. And this is probably why he built his own factory in Chins. Larry Richard wrote: > From: Richard <richard_snook@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7612	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy

As Homer Simpson would say: "Doh!" Whenever Dave Ewing writes about his SHS trains, he always types SWS. I simply combined that with the story about the Korean Lionel / MTH fiasco and . . . Voila . . . a joke was born! And all you bad boys who wrote to find out more about these cheap Chinese knock-offs. For shame! ;~} Actually, I got a dozen replies, most of whom really wanted to believe! Sorry, Dave Ewing. I was not trying to correct you, I just have a vivid imagination. You can keep typing SWS if you want to, we know what you mean. (What does the "W" stand for?) Don, Dave got all upset and swore he would never run "Showplace Line" out of loyalty to you. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7613	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Ernie Needs Us

Dear S Friends, I received word from a friend in the Spokane club that one of the Living Legends in our scale, Ernie Horr, is in ill health. Ernie sent me a card at Christmas and said that he has pulmonary fibrosis and is hanging in there, but he's on 24-hour oxygen, and any exertion tires him quickly. I'm afraid that there has been no improvement in his health since then. Ernie is one of the pioneers who kept the candle lit during the difficult years in S gauging, and our wonderful success today is due in large part to his efforts. He has devoted a major part of his life to S; it was while he served as Editor that he gave the name to NASG's "Dispatch"; he is the Coordinator of the Inland Empire S Gauge Association of the Pacific Northwest (IESGAPN), and only last year had to step down after 25 years of publishing its newsletter; he has written many an entertaining and informative article for national S publications, as he is an accomplished scratchbuilder; he is owner and operator of the famous "Tinplate Road"; and he successfully co-chaired S-West III in 1998, conducting a clinic and displaying the Tinplate Road on the layout tour as well. These are but a few of his many contributions to our hobby. We thought it would buoy Ernie's spirits and those of his loving wife, Harriet, if their many friends from around the world were to send them their best wishes. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a computer, but his address is: 1307 W. Dalke Ave. Spokane, WA 99205-6724 If you know Ernie; if you know Ernie's work; if you know OF Ernie; or if you don't know Ernie, but wish you did--please invest a few moments and a 33-cent stamp and let him know that he has a lot of friends who are very appreciative of his work and who are pulling hard for him. I think we owe it to him. If you cannot send a letter or a card in the mail, here is an alternative e-mail address: <Trbngs@...> That belongs to Tom Bangs of the IESGAPN, who will ensure that Ernie and Harriet get your message. Thanks, friends. John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7614	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: LED's

There was an article recently in MR about using new extra bright LED's as headlights. Does anyone know how to use these with the 19 VAC that a big Flyer transformer porduces? Am interested in a headlight that doesn't get hot for a very tight space in a plastic loco. Not interested in directional lighting particularyl. HELP! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7615	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's

Actually it was in reference to a WHITE LED. These are pretty new (though blue LEDs have been around for a while). The new whites are realy three LEDs in one package. Your are correct though, no heat and it should last pretty much forever. The forward voltage is not a problem up to a point. It's the current that is important to an LED. If i remember correctly, in the article they use a regulator to keep the brightness constant. For AC, as in your flyer engine, you would have to add a diode before the regulator. (You should also check the regulator they use to make sure it can handle 19v inout. i guessing it could but without the part number in front of me...) If you didn't want to go the regulator route a simple resistor should do (assuming the forawrd and reverse breakdown voltages on the LED can handle the voltage). Not haveing the specs i can't guess what the resistor value would be. If you would like me to check this out i can. kbt > > From: jarcho@... > > There was an article recently in MR about using new extra bright LED's as > headlights. Does anyone know how to use these with the 19 VAC that a big > Flyer transformer porduces? Am interested in a headlight that doesn't get > hot for a very tight space in a plastic loco. Not interested in > directional lighting particularyl. HELP! > > Tom Jarcho >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7616	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Wiring Diagram for a 1946 AF 322 SIT

I am in the process of restoring/repairing a 322 with SIT. Wiring is gone from the smoke unit to the motor that drives the bellows. Can anyone assist me with a wiring diagram. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7617	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's

Hi Tom, The answer is to include a current limiting resistor in series with the LED. You don't need to worry about the AC power. All that AC means to the LED is that it will be lit only half the time. You should not notice the flicker as it will be at about the same rate as your television screen. What value for the resistor? Ah, that is an interesting question. First, for the sake of simplicity, Lets presume that you will just use a 'normal' installation where the light gets brighter as the train goes faster. There are two values you need. First, what is the current rating of the LED? Let's take an example to get started. Suppose it is rated at 25 ma (that is 25 milliamps or .025 amps for the decimally challenged). Divide the voltage you will supply (namely 19v) by the .025 to produce 760. Choose any resistor with a rated resistance of about 760 ohms. Wire it in series with one of the leads form the LED. That is, one end of the resistor is soldered to one of the LED wires. Now, the normal two connections are made to (1) the remaining wire of the LED and (2) the other end of the resistor. Connect these two leads to things that connect to the two rails and you are in business. The second property of the resistor is that it must be able to handle the load. In this case we would have 19 volts and .025 amps to produce about 1/2 a watt of power. Choose a nearby value from Radio Shack - part 271-1117 is a 680 ohm 1/2 watt resistor. It will work. There are two other considerations. First, since the diode (that's the D in LED) is only using 1/2 of the power cycle in your AC supply, it actually needs only have the power handling capacity in the resistor - so a 1/4 watt might work out OK. Also, since it is lit only 1/2 the time, it might seem a little dimmer than you want. You can use a smaller resistance (down to 390 ohms or so) to produce a brighter light. That part number is 271-1113. You might find that you prefer something in-between - go for it. Resistors are cheap. Don't go below the 390 ohms and you should not hurt the LED. LED's are hurt by heat. So, when you solder to the LED leads (one wire and one resistor) it is a good idea to use a heat sink. Grip the lead with pliers or clip on an alligator clamp between the place you are soldering and the business end of the LED. Finally, if you want constant lighting - that does not vary much as the throttle setting is varied, you can use a diode bridge and voltage regulator to cut the 19 VAC to 5 VDC. In this case, the current limiting resistor can be 200 ohms for a 25 ma LED. (that is 5 divided by .025 is 200 ohms). In this case, you will have to watch the polarity and get the proper values for the voltage regulator. the cost of this sort of project goes up by a few dollars since there are ......more parts. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... <jarcho@...> To: S-trains@onelist.com <S-trains@onelist.com> Cc: S-scale@onelist.com <S-scale@onelist.com> Date: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: [S-Scale] LED's >From: jarcho@... > >There was an article recently in MR about using new extra bright LED's as >headlights. Does anyone know how to use these with the 19 VAC that a big >Flyer transformer porduces? Am interested in a headlight that doesn't get >hot for a very tight space in a plastic loco. Not interested in >directional lighting particularyl. HELP! > >Tom Jarcho > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7618	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy

Hi Chris, Have been waiting for you to reply. Didn't figure out what you were doing until a couple minutes after I posted my reply. Thus the follow-ups. After going back and rereading some of my messages I realized what you had already discovered. I have for a long time suspected that my mind was going south and now everybody on the list is sure of it. As for the W in SWS, I have no idea. SHS SHS SHS SHS SHS SHS SHS Many years ago I spent much time trying to get my "flyer" equipment to operate more trouble free. But now, with SHS, right out of the box, presto, perfection. One has to appreciate the thought, time, money and struggle that must have gone into a bringing a product this great into reality. I can't even get the name right and I do thank you for correcting me. You know, come to think of it, SWS does have a good ring to it, makes me think of SWitch to S. Do you think Don would consider changing the name. It would make life easier on me. Never mind, just going south again. Chris, being the butt of your joke has made me realize how much fun this list can be. But be forewarned I always get even. Thank again good buddy Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> To: slist <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > As Homer Simpson would say: "Doh!" > > Whenever Dave Ewing writes about his SHS trains, he always types SWS. I > simply combined that with the story about the Korean Lionel / MTH fiasco and > . . . > Voila . . . a joke was born! > > And all you bad boys who wrote to find out more about these cheap Chinese > knock-offs. For shame! ;~} Actually, I got a dozen replies, most of > whom really wanted to believe! > > Sorry, Dave Ewing. I was not trying to correct you, I just have a vivid > imagination. You can keep typing SWS if you want to, we know what you mean. > (What does the "W" stand for?) > > Don, Dave got all upset and swore he would never run "Showplace Line" out of > loyalty to you. > > CZ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/952610867/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7619	From: sscale@miro.bestweb.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's

> From: "Keith B. Thompson - Sun" <thompson@...> > Actually it was in reference to a WHITE LED. These > are pretty new (though blue LEDs have been around > for a while). The new whites are realy three LEDs > in one package. It's my understanding that these are a blue LED with a layer of phosphor. In any case, the ones I've seen are a bluish-white color which more closely resembles the light from a mercury or xenon lamp than that from an incandescent headlamp. This seems to bother some people and not others, so it's a judgement call. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7620	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] LED's

Could be. I don't recall where i read about the 3 color idea, could have been for a LED color display or something like that. I've not seen one in action. The price has come down quite a bit from when they first came out so i should get one. Has anyone else tried em? Maybe a small yellow LED could be added to adjust the color. kbt > From: sscale@... > > > From: "Keith B. Thompson - Sun" <thompson@...> > > Actually it was in reference to a WHITE LED. These > > are pretty new (though blue LEDs have been around > > for a while). The new whites are realy three LEDs > > in one package. > > It's my understanding that these are a blue LED with a layer of > phosphor. In any case, the ones I've seen are a bluish-white color > which more closely resembles the light from a mercury or xenon > lamp than that from an incandescent headlamp. > > This seems to bother some people and not others, so it's a > judgement call. > > Stan Stokrocki > sscale@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7621	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: 322 tender wiring

With the smoke chamber spout pointing up, a wire runs from the front truck rivet to the left hand smoke chamber terminal. A wire runs from this terminal to the motor field. The right smoke chamber terminal is connected to the rivet of the switch that the arm touches when it is on. Another wire runs from this rivet to the top motor brush. The other brush is connected to the other motor field terminal. The rear truck rivet is connected to the base of the switch. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7622	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: A.F. 787 Need some Help

Hello "S Gaugers", I have a problem that I am sure someone may be able to help me with. I am missing the arm that the string attaches to on a 787 American Flyer Log Loader.This arm,(the Car lift lever PA13A765) as far as I can determine is about the size of a popsickle stick. On one end it is attached to the vertical pole that is driven off the motor.The other end of the arm is where the string is attached. The other end of the string is tied to the Car lift or carriage. (this is the truck that the man sits in and carries the log up the ramp).The arm ( the missing piece) is what drives the carriage up the ramp.Would someone measure this piece and email me the dimensions so that I could make one. Better yet...I know it's a long shot,but it doesn't hurt to ask.Maybe one of you guys or gals would happen to have one of these(arms)in your spare parts box.I would be willing to pay a fair price for it. Any help you can give me in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Steve bulamatare1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7623	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/9/2000
Subject: A.F. 787 needs help

The arm you refer to , the car lift lever, should be reproduced but hasn't been, as far as I know. It is the weak spot of the 787 design. Almost every 787 I have seen has had some damage to this arm because the arm is too soft. Whenever the cart gets stuck, which happens when it falls off its rails, the arm buckles or bends. it can be straightened quite a few times but eventually will break. Perhaps we could get one made of a little stronger metal, though it must be the same thickness to fit. If you have a really good friend who owns a healthy 787, get him to disassemble this 787 completely and photocopy the arm.. The man in the copy shop will think he is nuts. Then use the photocopy as a pattern to make another one out of sheet metal. Perhaps someone on this list has a disassembled 787 and can make this photocopy for you more easily. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7624	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: HO Slot cars

Hi all, I've got a simple question and {probably} a stupid question!! If I ever expand my layout and have the room, I'd like to blow the dust off my old Aurora {SP???} HO slot cars. I think it would be fun to do one of the following: A....drag strip B.....oval race track C.....maybe just a little highway loop around town Question # 1 is....have any of you tried this?? Question #2 is.....HO slot cars are just about 1/64th., to big for HO trains! So please explain why they are different size! Anyway, I have some controllers that can be set at a certain speed. I think it would be kinda cool while running the trains to see a couple of cars cruising around town!! Rick "Take a ride on the 'S' side !!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7625	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: HO Slot cars

Rick Evans writes: >HO slot cars are just about 1/64th., to big for HO trains! >So please explain why they are different size! Rick, The drag strip or race track ideas will work fine. The cars are too quick and too unreliable at slower speeds to be street traffic. If they had been made HO size, they would have been too small to motorize. These cars rode in on the HO craze, at the end of the O and S era. Had they been introduced earlier, they might have been considered S Model Motoring. It might have been a boost for the scale. They are not HO, and Gilberts race cars were not S! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7626	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: greetings from a newbie (but oldie)

hello, all! i've been a subscriber to the list for quite a while and have enjoyed many of the messages that have been distributed here. a lot of the discussions have been over my head because i am not currently into model railroading as deep as most of the people on the list. nevertheless, i have enjoyed reading about everyone's exploits. i have several questions, if you don't mind. i am about to take my basic set out of storage; it hasn't been used in over thirty-five years. question #1: how do i determine the model year of my set? i've looked at the bottom of the engine, but i don't see any information there. question #2: what are some of the things that i should look for and do to make my set ready to run again? i've got some track and a transformer right now, and that's all i'll need for starters. question #3: where can i get a copy and subscription to s gaugian magazine? thanks in advance for your help. peace, dan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7627	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO Slot cars

Hi Rick, Question #2.......Why are nominal HO slot cars too big for HO? Deep in the bowels of my youth I had those things and I loved them. The Aurora cars to which you refer are probably the later ones with the rotary motors mounted with a vertical shaft. Those were not the first ones that Aurora produced. Before them, there were some cars made with vibrator motors - not rotary. These things had a coil, a steel leaf, a set of breaker contacts and a plastic pin to connect the leaf with the contacts. Apply electricity and the leaf would be drawn downwards. Part of the leaf was bent and acted as a one-way ratchet or pawl driving a sort of a gear on the rear axle. The downward motion would rotate the rear axle forward a few degrees. It also would bring the plastic pin down to interrupt the power by separating the contacts. No power and the steel leaf would spring back up. The leaf would reciprocate and the car would move down the track. They were noisy, cheap, fun and small. Small enough so that an HO Jaguar or Corvette shell would fit over them. The track system was scaled to match at a fairly close approximation to HO. Of course, the cars were not easily controlled and they went too fast for layout work. A year or so later, Atlas entered the market with little cars that had real, rotating electric motors. The size of the motors and the required gears forced the shells to grow a bit and the shells also sat a little too high on the chassis for scale appearance. These things had much better slow speed performance (if anyone cared) and they could blow the doors off of the Aurora cars. They could run on the same Aurora track - still roughly HO scale roadways. Aurora responded with the 'Thunderjet' series. These are the ones with the large armature mounted with the vertical shaft and three 'idler' gears along the top of the plastic chassis. They were faster, quieter and smoother. Sadly, they were also a little bit larger. Aurora sold them to run on the same tracks, so they were still nominally HO cars. But, by this time, they were no longer HO scale. Question #1 - Yes, and it was way back then in the '50's. Drag strip and road course. The racing car sets are just too fast for scale operation and they are not reliable in slow speed setups. To keep them on the track in unattended operation, I added a second slot pin at the backs of the cars. Still, it didn't look right to have cars going over 100 mph on city streets. Two cars in the same slot never run at the same speed, so one always crashed into the other and then they were joined until one fell off. ( As a small aside, I found that the original Athearn Hustlers were actually faster. So, I made a 3 track, 1/2 mile oval, HO flextrack setup and raced with my friends. That was some real fun! ) Maybe you can have better luck. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans <comic@...> To: s-trains@onelist.com <s-trains@onelist.com> Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:41 AM Subject: [S-Trains] HO Slot cars >From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> > >Hi all, >I've got a simple question and {probably} a stupid question!! If I ever expand my >layout and have the room, I'd like to blow the dust off my old Aurora {SP???} HO >slot cars. I think it would be fun to do one of the following: > >A....drag strip >B.....oval race track >C.....maybe just a little highway loop around town >Question # 1 is....have any of you tried this?? >Question #2 is.....HO slot cars are just about 1/64th., to big for HO trains! >So please explain why they are different size! > >Anyway, I have some controllers that can be set at a certain speed. I think it would >be kinda cool while running the trains to see a couple of cars cruising around town!! > >Rick "Take a ride on the 'S' side !!" > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7628	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: LED's

I saw this white LED in action. It is very bright and very white. Ed Loizeaux is using them for platform illumination. (That's where I saw it, when I went to CA last November.) Perhaps Ed can help on this. He is usually on the scale list. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7629	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)

Hi Dan: About two years ago, I did the same thing you're about to do. I unpacked my trains after, lo, perhaps 35 years or more! You can determine the model year by looking at some of the reference books that are widely available. These range from the non-illustrated $12 Greenberg reference manuals, on up to excellent fully illustrated hardcover books. The exploration of these printed materials is a real treat in itself! I especially enjoy "A.C. Gilbert's Famous American Flyer Trains" by Paul C. Nelson. It costs about $45. I keep it on my coffee table when I want to wax nostalgic. The things I had to do to get my equipment running again was a thorough visual inspection, careful cleaning and lubrication of the moving parts, and a "warm-up" test on the bench using a small transformer. Other than that, you should be ready. If you encounter any stuck motors, and hear and feel severe humming, stop and find out why before you burn out anything. You can subscribe to S Gaugian by calling 708-366-1973, or by writing to S Gaugian, Heimburger House Publishing, 7236 W. Madison St., Forest Park, Illinois 60130. Good luck and have fun! Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: seahawkdan@... [mailto:seahawkdan@...] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:26 AM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie) From: seahawkdan@... hello, all! i've been a subscriber to the list for quite a while and have enjoyed many of the messages that have been distributed here. a lot of the discussions have been over my head because i am not currently into model railroading as deep as most of the people on the list. nevertheless, i have enjoyed reading about everyone's exploits. i have several questions, if you don't mind. i am about to take my basic set out of storage; it hasn't been used in over thirty-five years. question #1: how do i determine the model year of my set? i've looked at the bottom of the engine, but i don't see any information there. question #2: what are some of the things that i should look for and do to make my set ready to run again? i've got some track and a transformer right now, and that's all i'll need for starters. question #3: where can i get a copy and subscription to s gaugian magazine? thanks in advance for your help. peace, dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/952698364/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7630	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)

Dan, Sounds like were in the same boat. I started again a few months ago and found that this list is a great place to be. If I may make a suggestion....If there is anyway possible...Get yourself a SHS starter set. You'll have to experience it to believe. If AF was this good it would have never died. (IMHO) Welcome aboard Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <seahawkdan@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie) > From: seahawkdan@... > > hello, all! > > i've been a subscriber to the list for quite a while and have enjoyed many of > the messages that have been distributed here. a lot of the discussions have > been over my head because i am not currently into model railroading as deep > as most of the people on the list. nevertheless, i have enjoyed reading about > everyone's exploits. > > i have several questions, if you don't mind. > > i am about to take my basic set out of storage; it hasn't been used in over > thirty-five years. > > question #1: how do i determine the model year of my set? i've looked at the > bottom of the engine, but i don't see any information there. > > question #2: what are some of the things that i should look for and do to > make my set ready to run again? i've got some track and a transformer right > now, and that's all i'll need for starters. > > question #3: where can i get a copy and subscription to s gaugian magazine? > > thanks in advance for your help. > > peace, > > dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/952698364/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7631	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] greetings from a newbie (but oldie)

seahawkdan@... wrote: > > From: seahawkdan@... > > hello, all! > > i've been a subscriber to the list for quite a while and have enjoyed many of > the messages that have been distributed here. a lot of the discussions have > been over my head because i am not currently into model railroading as deep > as most of the people on the list. nevertheless, i have enjoyed reading about > everyone's exploits. > > i have several questions, if you don't mind. > > i am about to take my basic set out of storage; it hasn't been used in over > thirty-five years. > > question #1: how do i determine the model year of my set? i've looked at the > bottom of the engine, but i don't see any information there. If it's a steam engine you can remove the boiler casting aand look for a date stamp inside on top. Otherwise describe the engine no. and any other characteristics (Plastic or metal drivers, smoke in tender or boiler, reverse unit in tender or on back of cab, etc.) to this list. > > question #2: what are some of the things that i should look for and do to > make my set ready to run again? i've got some track and a transformer right > now, and that's all i'll need for starters. Usually all they need to get started is a drop or 2 of oil on the armature bearings and a tiny drop on wheel bearings. Make sure track is clean and connections are tight. > > question #3: where can i get a copy and subscription to s gaugian magazine? Write: The S Gaugian, 7236 W. Madison St. forest Park, IL 60130 or call: 708-366-1973 > > thanks in advance for your help. > > peace, > > dan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/952698364/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7632	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 3/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 559

My neighbor has done this effectively on his Flyer layout adding a highway to the layout. Plus he is able to display his Aurora slot car collection at the same time. Gregg Mummert >Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:42:24 -0800 > From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> >Subject: HO Slot cars > >Hi all, >I've got a simple question and {probably} a stupid question!! If I ever >expand my >layout and have the room, I'd like to blow the dust off my old Aurora >{SP???} HO >slot cars. I think it would be fun to do one of the following: > >A....drag strip >B.....oval race track >C.....maybe just a little highway loop around town >Question # 1 is....have any of you tried this?? >Question #2 is.....HO slot cars are just about 1/64th., to big for HO >trains! >So please explain why they are different size! > >Anyway, I have some controllers that can be set at a certain speed. I >think it would >be kinda cool while running the trains to see a couple of cars cruising >around town!! > >Rick "Take a ride on the 'S' side !!" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7633	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Atlantic/Pacific Valve gear

Has anyone found Lionel valve gear that can be added to the basic AF valve gear? Would like to make something if I can't adopt. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7634	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: new web site

Well, we've finally done it. Our new website is up and running. Find out about our train show on August 20 and Gilbert Factory tour the day before along with a continually updated inventory list. You can visit our site by going to <A HREF="www.afstrains.com">afstrains.com</A>. John and Robin Vanacore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7635	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 560

Dan, You may want to look into the SWS brand. They look virtually identical and are much cheaper in price. Better way for a newbie to go. Okay, sorry about the joke guys, I couldn't resist! Roger Petrella Franktown, CO > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:18:28 -0500 > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > Subject: Re: greetings from a newbie (but oldie) > > Dan, > Sounds like were in the same boat. > I started again a few months ago and found that this list is a great place > to be. > If I may make a suggestion....If there is anyway possible...Get yourself a > SHS starter set. You'll have to experience it to believe. If AF was this > good it would have never died. (IMHO) > Welcome aboard > Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7636	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 560

Mr Roger V. Petrella Jr This is to inform you that I saw that. May it also be known that you will forever be crossed off my Christmas list. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger V. Petrella Jr. <rogerpjr@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 560 > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > > Dan, > You may want to look into the SWS brand. They look virtually identical and are much > cheaper in price. Better way for a newbie to go. > > Okay, sorry about the joke guys, I couldn't resist! > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:18:28 -0500 > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Subject: Re: greetings from a newbie (but oldie) > > > > Dan, > > Sounds like were in the same boat. > > I started again a few months ago and found that this list is a great place > > to be. > > If I may make a suggestion....If there is anyway possible...Get yourself a > > SHS starter set. You'll have to experience it to believe. If AF was this > > good it would have never died. (IMHO) > > Welcome aboard > > Dave > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/952792823/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7637	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: AF/Lionel

I stumbled across this site today.. http://www.aztrains.com/af.html Looks like some good prices for AF/Lionel. Also found an American Flyer Yahoo club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/americanflyertrains -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7638	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: ICRR 0-6-0

All, I've just posted photos to my web site of an Illinois Central 0-6-0 engine that's at a museum in Baton Rouge, LA. Does anyone know of an S 0-6-0? http://www.killerrobots.com/maw/ICRR/ Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7639	From: john foley	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ICRR 0-6-0

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com>; <s-scale@onelist.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 5:51 PM Subject: [S-Scale] ICRR 0-6-0 > From: Michael Westphal <westphal@...> Michael Putt Trains bought out Rex Loco's a few years back. Rex had a new 0-6-0, Putt was supposed to improve the line and have it back on the market. You might drop them a line and see whats up. Putt's Trains P.O. Box 463 Orwell, OH. 44076 I don't have a phone # or email address. Maybe someone on the list does. John > > All, > > I've just posted photos to my web site of an Illinois Central 0-6-0 > engine that's at a museum in Baton Rouge, LA. Does anyone know of an S > 0-6-0? > > http://www.killerrobots.com/maw/ICRR/ > > Thanks, > Michael > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/0/_/576498/_/952815191/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7640	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr

Friends, Anyone in S-gauge, particularly here in the Northwest, knows what a force Ernie Horr has been in keeping S alive out here. I have followed the work of him and his Tinplate Road since the days of the S Gauge Herald. At a time when S gaugers seemed as scarce as AF Comet B units, I always wondered how the "Inland Empire" area rated two of the gauge's giants with bothe he and Jess Bennett. I first met Ernie in person at a one day get-together in Yakima, Washington, on Father's Day 1978. My then 5-year old son, Christopher, and I drove 5 hours from Salem, Oregon for the event as a father's day gift to myself. I believe Ernie was one of the organizers of the day which featured Maury Romer. At lunch Ernie graciously invited my son and I to sit with him, which impressed both me and Chris. The other highlight of the day, other than hearing Maury speak, was Chris winning a door prize drawing for a subscription to S Gaugian. I haven't missed an issue since, and Chris still chides me for putting his prize in my name. I have Ernie and that one day to thank for re-energizing my interest in AF and S gauge not to mention a life-long memory for me and my son. I am sorry to hear Ernie is struggling with his serious health problem and send him my best wishes and heartfelt thanks for being there for S. Alan Bennett (No relation to Jess, as far as I know)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7641	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7642	From: M.McConnell	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Re: LED's

I recently had two 342 0-8-0 switch engines modified and put the new white LED's in the boiler front headlight (I left the two tender lights alone). I used a "SuperBright" LED assembly that included the LED and a small (about 3/4" square) regulator board. The Superbright runs on 7 to about 18 volts AC or DC. The light is very brilliant when viewed from straight on, and has a slight blue tinge to it. The comment made earlier about the light looking like a halogen is very descriptive. When I run the engines on my home layout with the room lights out, the engines literally light up the layout. My S-Gauge club displayed our sectional layout at a local Greenberg's train show last weekend, and ran the two engines doubleheaded pulling about 23 cars. The two engines, (both of 'em smoke like banshee's) drew quite a crowd, the headlights acted like beacons pulling in interested show-goers. I have some pictures of the engines in action if anyone wants to see them, I can e-mail them - just be aware they are fair sized images. I bought the LED's from Chick's Hobby Center in Gibbstown, NJ (you can contact him at 856-423-0773). He charged me 12.95 for the assembled unit (LED and regulator PCB). I think he also has a twin LED assembly for a few dollars more. (No, I'm not a salesman for Chick - just a happy customer).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7643	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/11/2000
Subject: Racing champs for sale

Hi all, I'm going to be thinning some of my cars soon, if there's enough interest, I'll post a list. Some are new, still on blister card.If you are looking for a certain car, email me, I might have it. Also have {too many} Hot Wheels and a few Coca-cola Matchbox cars. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7644	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Re: Racing Champs for sale

I've received a few emails showing interest about the cars. I'll keep you all "on file" and hopefully start diggin' and sortin'!! FYI: saw that Cheveron {sp?} was offering {I think}......Ok, went and got the info...CHEVRON GAS is offering 30 models {Days-Gone trucks} for only....are you ready?....$199.90!! or $19.99 per month. Whew! I'm glad I've found a few of this at the swap meet!! It says the 1990-1999 models. Oh, for $100 more, you can get a walnut display case!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7645	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Christmas list

>Mr Roger V. Petrella Jr >This is to inform you that I saw that. >May it also be known that you will forever be crossed off my Christmas list. >Dave Ewing Hey Roger, there's a card neither one of us will get! Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7646	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Conversion to S

The father of a friend of mine was an engineer for the Missouri Pacific. When the S-Helper Eagle Merchandise car came out, I knew e had to have one. With S-Helper out of them I was able to locate one at a distant dealer and had it sent directly to my friend. The result: "That is a first rate car. I had no idea that S-scale had evolved into such beautiful equipment. In fact, even as I sit here, it is accompanying me. I am giving some serious thought to maybe including some S in my future MR plans!!!! It truly is the right size for modeling. It has the prototype feel that long HO trains have, but it has the size for detail, doesn't it. I am glad now I didn't buy the MTH ATSF psgr. train. My hobby shop said they can get anything, hmmmmmm, will keep you posted. Again, I can't thank you enough. It is one of the nicest things anyone has done for me..." How to introduce others to S? Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, Idaho ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7647	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://chat.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7648	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: show

Altoona Area Train Collectors Club Spring show March 19th at the Frankstown Armory 120 tables of trains. Sorry we have to let our Zero scale members set up their new modular layout we dont have enough room in the hall to set up our S and O scale mods together. Just off I -99, Frankstown exit, Altoona Pa. Home of the PRR railroad shops, the famous Horseshoe Curve and the Railroaders Memorial Museum And future home Of the AATCC Toy Train Museum for more info please contact President Greg MIller at GNRM@ Earthlink.Net OR Vice President Joe Anderson at JOEAWOOD@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7649	From: John Simkovich	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Discusted

Hello Gang, I am disgusted today, it is Sunday, and I waited all week to get on to the best chat room. When I tried, I didn't know what was the name of the chat room. Maybe in the future when you put the ad in for chat rooms, someone can put in the name of the chat room also???? ' Thanks Disgusted. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7650	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 561

Thanks for all of your responses to our new web site. It was suggested that I include a link here to make it easier to find the site - <A HREF="http://www.afstrains.com">http://www.afstrains.com</A>. Some of you may find it takes a while for the inventory page to load. It does take time as the list is rather extensive. If you show a blue background, then the page is loading. John and Robin Vanacore http://www.afstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7651	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: KCS modern auto racks

Folks, Tonight I uploaded 3 new photos of KCS auto racks. These photos were taken by Greg Drawbaugh. These are located on my Missouri Pacific Photo Page, just look for the new icon next to the text. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7652	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/12/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

510 D&RGW 70 ton 2 bay covered hopper. (1-51) Painted light grey. Set will letter 2 cars. Kato kit. Black lettering. 525 DM&E Thrall 3 bay covered hopper. (9-98) Painted beige. Set will letter 1 car. Accurail kit. Black lettering with 3 color soybean logo. 526 D&RGW 12 panel 3 bay coal car. (6-66, 10-60, 5-62) Painted black. Set will letter 1 car. Stewart kit. White lettering. 527 D&RGW 14 panel 3 bay coal car. (9-57, 2-58, 3-58) Painted black. Set will letter 1 car. Stewart kit. White lettering. 528 Texas & Pacific 50' PS plug door boxcar. (5-61) Painted swamp holly orange. Black ends & roof. Intermountion, MDC, E&C, Athearn or Branchline kit. (you pick the car of your choice) Set will letter 1 car. Black lettering with 2 color T&P herald. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Conversion to S

Dear Alan, E-mail like yours make all the effort worth while. Don T. P.S. Let me apologies for MP Eagle cars selling out. We did not anticipate such a response. We made as many as we have in the past for our colorful LCL series (C&O, Frisco, etc.). I thought with ACG making a bunch and "L" re-releasing the car a few years back, that the demand would not be that great. I would look for these (with a new number and maybe as "MP" instead of "I-GN") in the future to be included in some sort of 3 car set. Who would of known our little "Mexico" car would sell so well? > From: Alan C Udy <nsupbnsf@...> > > The father of a friend of mine was an engineer for the Missouri Pacific. > When the S-Helper Eagle Merchandise car came out, I knew e had to have > one. With S-Helper out of them I was able to locate one at a distant > dealer and had it sent directly to my friend. The result: > > "That is a first rate car. I had no idea that S-scale had evolved into > such beautiful equipment. In fact, even as I sit here, it is > accompanying me. I am giving some serious thought to maybe including > some S in my future MR plans!!!! It truly is the right size for > modeling. It has the prototype feel that long HO trains have, but it has > the size for detail, doesn't it. I am glad now I didn't buy the MTH ATSF > psgr. train. My hobby shop said they can get anything, hmmmmmm, will > keep you posted. Again, I can't thank you enough. It is one of the > nicest things anyone has done for me..." > > How to introduce others to S? Sometimes you just have to do what you > have to do. > > Alan Udy, RMHRS > Idaho Falls, Idaho -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 2nd batch of SW-9s, Starter Sets and 2000 catalogs are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7654	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: MP cars (Was Re: Conversion to S)

Don Thompson wrote: > I would look for > these (with a new number and maybe as "MP" instead of "I-GN") in the future to be > included in some sort of 3 car set. Oh, Don. You really know how to hurt a man's wallet. Be seeing you, Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7655	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: You're invited!

Hello! You have been invited by paul_w_yorke to join the Listed Yahoo! Club named "S Trains". To become a member of this club, just go to the Web address below: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/sjg?.k=EA438cd0142GJRFj paul_w_yorke also sent you a personal message: "This looks like a good location for our weekly chats." You need to go to the address above to join the club, but you can take a look at the club by going to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains You can learn more about paul_w_yorke by looking at the Yahoo! Public Profile: http://profiles.yahoo.com/paul_w_yorke Note: This invitation will expire after 7 days, or after being used. A Yahoo! Club is a great way to bring friends, family or anyone you know together using the latest in Web technologies. Club members are able to take advantage of a club's private chat room, message boards and other features. You can also create your own free club focused on any interest, such as hobbies, families and industry associations. Clubs are either listed or unlisted. Listed clubs are available to the public while unlisted clubs are available exclusively to those who receive invitations. If you have no interest in joining this club, there is no need for you to do anything. You will not be enrolled as a member. Thanks, The Yahoo! Clubs team http://clubs.yahoo.com/ P.S. If you need some help on getting started, go to: http://help.yahoo.com/help/clubs/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7656	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: S Trains Yahoo Club, Invitation

Hello! You have been invited by paul_w_yorke to join the Listed Yahoo! Club named "S Trains". To become a member of this club, just go to the Web address below: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/sjg?.k=4CB38cd01e4KCrlr paul_w_yorke also sent you a personal message: "This looks like a good location for our weekly chats." You need to go to the address above to join the club, but you can take a look at the club by going to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains You can learn more about paul_w_yorke by looking at the Yahoo! Public Profile: http://profiles.yahoo.com/paul_w_yorke Note: This invitation will expire after 7 days, or after being used. A Yahoo! Club is a great way to bring friends, family or anyone you know together using the latest in Web technologies. Club members are able to take advantage of a club's private chat room, message boards and other features. You can also create your own free club focused on any interest, such as hobbies, families and industry associations. Clubs are either listed or unlisted. Listed clubs are available to the public while unlisted clubs are available exclusively to those who receive invitations. If you have no interest in joining this club, there is no need for you to do anything. You will not be enrolled as a member. Thanks, The Yahoo! Clubs team http://clubs.yahoo.com/ P.S. If you need some help on getting started, go to: http://help.yahoo.com/help/clubs/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7657	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: New Layout Pictures

The Bristol S Gauge Railroaders had there March meeting at Jim Collin's house yesterday. Jim has a great AF operating layout with some real nice scenery. I've posted some pictures of his layout at the club website: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/ Take a look! Any problems, please let me know. Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7658	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: SHS Mo Pac Eagle Box car

Message: 3 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:54:26 -0700 From: Alan C Udy <nsupbnsf@...> Subject: Conversion to S The father of a friend of mine was an engineer for the Missouri Pacific. When the S-Helper Eagle Merchandise car came out, I knew e had to have one. With S-Helper out of them I was able to locate one at a distant dealer and had it sent directly to my friend. The result: "That is a first rate car. I had no idea that S-scale had evolved into such beautiful equipment. Hi Alan, I bought my Eagle Box car a couple of months ago....not knowing it would sell out so fast. Isn't it the most beautiful box car ever! SHS really did a fabulous job here, and it sits displayed proudly next the the real thing on my AC Gilbert shelves of collectibles. Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7659	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: TRAINS ON OUR VACATION

Lin & I just returned from a 4 day vacation in Williamsburg, VA. This is a must do trip. There are a lot of little known points to American History in the Colonial (pre-train) city. Amtrac and CSX border the area so there is much for the railfan besides Colonial history. I was a little disappointed in the exhibit at an adjacent shopping center called "America's Railroads on Parade". The only part that didn't run were 3 American Flyer trains sitting on Gargraves track. At least American Flyer was represented with nice scenery. It was built in New York and shipped in sections to the site. There are 4 operating sections. 2 are hands on Lionel layouts with push buttons for me and the kids. There is a large layout with HO, S (not running) and O. There is a major layout with scenery but only Lionel running. On that layout is probably the largest model of the Hellgate bridge in the world, 3 times the size of the Lionel or MTH versions with 3 tracks running across it. Well, back to the drawing board. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7660	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: AC to DC Conversion

I just joined this list and saw in your archives a discussion on conversion from AC to DC power for AF engines. However, I was still not clear from this discussion what type of modern rectifier is appropriate between the AF transformer and the track. I have seen many full wave bridge rectifiers in the Radio Shack online catalog, but it is not clear to me which of these would be appropriate. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7661	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Sticky link couplers

I've got some link couplers that are stiff and don't pivot freely. I've tried using a hair dryer and even a soldering iron to loosen them up and they do, but even if I work the coupler while they cool, they always stiffen back up again. Is there any way to get them to stay loose after they cool off? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7662	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Sticky link couplers

I find that spraying the dreaded WD-40 into the coupler joint and then flipping it up and down a few hundred times usually makes it work. No heat necessary. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7663	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers

Liquid Wrench has always worked great for mine. WD 40 has never worked well for me. Bob Wight Scott Holm wrote: > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > > I've got some link couplers that are stiff and don't pivot freely. I've > tried using a hair dryer and even a soldering iron to loosen them up > and they do, but even if I work the coupler while they cool, they > always stiffen back up again. Is there any way to get them to stay > loose after they cool off? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/5/_/494531/_/952981386/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7664	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cable Cars

Paul; Mailed the guy the money on the 3rd. Hes only one state away. He received it in two days but no package yet. When I get it I'll give you some feedback onit. Bob Wight paul rinehart wrote: > Bob, > has the streetcar come in ? does it look like it will do what you wanted > ? > paul > > Bob Wight wrote: > > > Paul; just wanted to let you know on that auction you sent me on the > > street car. It closed with me at high bidder. $51.00 plus $10.00 S&H. > > I think a lot of these ebay sellers are making there profit in S&H. > > But it doesn't matter to me because when I bid I figure that in. So > > $61.00 an't bad. Just thought I would let you know. Thanks. > > Bob Wight > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7665	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers

What about RSI then? Neil T >From: jarcho@... > >......and then >flipping it up and down a few hundred times usually makes it work. No >heat necessary. Tom > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/5/_/494531/_/952983151/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7666	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AC to DC Conversion

Any that has a PIV rating of at least 50 and will handle about 3 amps. aag_rlg@... wrote: > > From: aag_rlg@... > > I just joined this list and saw in your archives a discussion on > conversion from AC to DC power for AF engines. However, I was still > not clear from this discussion what type of modern rectifier is > appropriate between the AF transformer and the track. I have seen > many full wave bridge rectifiers in the Radio Shack online catalog, > but it is not clear to me which of these would be appropriate. Any > help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Art > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/952973193/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7667	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers

I have had some luck using detergent, drying them off well after cleaning and manipulating them to wipe out any gunk. Whatever you do,don't oil them. Scott Holm wrote: > > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > > I've got some link couplers that are stiff and don't pivot freely. I've > tried using a hair dryer and even a soldering iron to loosen them up > and they do, but even if I work the coupler while they cool, they > always stiffen back up again. Is there any way to get them to stay > loose after they cool off? > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/5/_/494531/_/952981386/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7668	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/13/2000
Subject: Light Bulbs Again

Hi S Gaugers, Someone out there suggested higher voltage bulbs---I found a 24v bayonet clear bulb on the rack at Radio Shack. Decided to try this on my transformer to see what gives. This bulb is much cooler and is dim--but I like it. Should last a long time. The real trick is to find these in standard screw base and colors green and red. Could work well in switch lamps-both switch and gear? This could be an alternative to other bulbs mentioned before-I believe the smaller ones--I have a few of those. It would seem odd to find 24v bulbs out there in any stockpile--what the heck uses 24v power except maybe HVAC transformers? Any help out there? Getting tired of imposed blackouts on my switchgear--to keep them from burning up. For sure--the cooler 24v bulb is easier on the equipment- AC Gilbert would like that!? This might be old news to some of you, but this bulb problem has bugged me for decades. May have to take the dim view of it, but better than watching something get burned. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7669	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: New Layout Pictures

http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/ Nice! Verrry Nice! Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7670	From: michael prell	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: [S-Trains] Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Kind of looks like they shot the horse, held the wake and funeral and have already buried the carcass. Talk about fearing the competition. Couldn't kill the product when A.C. ran things, so what better way to eliminate a thorn in their side then to simply ignore it. It will go away won't it? --- James Roberts <jfred436@...> wrote: > >Ok last year we saw the fanfare and raza mataz that > accompanied the > Defection > >from Bachman to Lionel by "whats his name" (sticks > inmy mind so because of > all > >the new releases!!) > > Today a new 116 page catalog came from the "L" > people. > It has one page of "THOMAS the tank engine", and has > the "Large scale > Christmas set" > No "S" at all, all the three rail stuff. > What does that say? > > >This was supposed to usher ina new era , and so > fresh "S" !! > > > >Ay body know if they have shot the horse yet!! > > > >>:~)) Richard > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7671	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Coaling Tower

Recently I saw an ad for a 94ft high (scale, of course) round, concrete coaling tower for S scale offered by Lehigh Valley Models in Allentown, Pa. The kit services three tracks and has a covered loading shed for engine terminal. It's fifty bucks plus shipping. Has anyone made this kit, or seen it? Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7672	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: dim bulb

JohnR wrote : >It would seem odd to find 24v bulbs out there in any stockpile--what the >heck uses 24v power except maybe HVAC transformers? If I remember my electronics power supply basics correctly, 24 Volts is the B+ output of most common power supplies. These are used in amps, preamps, tuners, mixing consoles, CRT displays of all kinds from TVs to Radarscopes, and just about any electronic device with the possible exception of computers. The bulb you bought is probably a front panel illuminator or indicator (pilot) bulb. 24 is a big jump from 17. The problem with underpowering switch controller lights is that they may not reach trigger voltage, the minimum level at which they will light, right away, so there will be a delay in reading the switch direction. They may also represent a greater load in the switch circuit, which might affect switch operation. They will also be difficult to find in a screw base. If you can find a 19 or 20 volt bulb, that would be a good trade-off between brightness and longevity. Good luck, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7673	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Laugh, and the world laughs with you!

Here is something for your general amusement: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283411146 Please note this line in the copy: "But the cars are in good shape." It is what is known in the world of comedy as "the punch line." Toot toot, Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7674	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 563

> Tom Seccia at SSS Trains has 24V bulbs for use in the transformers and switches. > Only replace the one under the green cover on the transformer as it is the one that > is one all the time. You may also want to think about changing the14V inside GP-7s > and such to 18V. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:31:18 EST > From: Ktrdd@... > Subject: Light Bulbs Again > > Hi S Gaugers, > Someone out there suggested higher voltage bulbs---I found a 24v bayonet > clear bulb on the rack at Radio Shack. Decided to try this on my transformer > to see what gives. This bulb is much cooler and is dim--but I like it. > Should last a long time. The real trick is to find these in standard screw > base and colors green and red. Could work well in switch lamps-both switch > and gear? This could be an alternative to other bulbs mentioned before-I > believe the smaller ones--I have a few of those. > It would seem odd to find 24v bulbs out there in any stockpile--what the > heck uses 24v power except maybe HVAC transformers? Any help out there? > Getting tired of imposed blackouts on my switchgear--to keep them from > burning up. > For sure--the cooler 24v bulb is easier on the equipment- AC Gilbert would > like that!? > This might be old news to some of you, but this bulb problem has bugged me > for decades. May have to take the dim view of it, but better than watching > something get burned. > > JohnR > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > _______________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7675	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: DC Conversion

In a message dated 3/14/00 5:33:02 AM EST, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:24:41 -0000 From: aag_rlg@... Subject: AC to DC Conversion I just joined this list and saw in your archives a discussion on conversion from AC to DC power for AF engines. However, I was still not clear from this discussion what type of modern rectifier is appropriate between the AF transformer and the track. I have seen many full wave bridge rectifiers in the Radio Shack online catalog, but it is not clear to me which of these would be appropriate. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Art >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- These rectifiers are quite inexpensive, so I use the larger ones to be on the safe side. On the transformer I use the 25 amp 50 volt type (276-1185), and in the locos, the 4 amp 50 volt (276-1146). A large transformer (19B or 30B) is rated at 300 watts input. 300watts/15volts=20amps. Even the 16B, 17B and 18B are over 10 amps input. The output will of course be less, but these numbers give us a place to start. The larger rectifiers cost very little more than the little ones, and you don't have to worry about them burning out whan you have a short circuit. I've had the same rectifiers in my 18B (one for each throttle) for almost 20 years with no problems. I also use the same size in my 15B. Unlike normal people, I have them installed internally, and get DC right from the transformer terminals, but that's another story. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7676	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Book available

While I was in Caboose Hobbies in downtown Denver yesterday to get some scenery material, I came across some copies of "AC Gilbert's Heritage". These are the original hardback first editions dated 1983. Even the pages are starting to yellow. They are mint. I will offer these to anyone on the list first for the purchase cost and priority mail shipping. I only saw two copies besides the one I got, but I will be checking if they have any more today and purchasing the two remaining on the shelf. If I don't get any requests for these by the end of the week I will go mercenary and list them on the dreaded ebay auction. Oh, the cost is $24.95 plus tax and the actual shipping costs. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7677	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: NPSG FEBRUARY NEWSLETTER

NORTH PENN S GAUGERS TRACKSIDE Vol. 2 No. 9 February, 2000 Visit the NPSG webpage at: http://members.xoom.com/northpenn_s/main.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Corresponding Secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7678	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Proselytizing to S

Fellow club member Alan Udy wrote: >How to introduce others to S? Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. To which Don Thompson replied: >Dear Alan, > E-mail like yours make all the effort worth while. >Don T. I agree with Alan, and thank Don for his efforts. I recently had a similar experience. We are fortunate to have convinced a new train store in Boise to begin carrying S, the first in Idaho in many, many years. I packed up a box of some of my S Helper Service stuff to show the shop owner, and urged that he carry "The Showcase Line." The owner now has eight shelves set aside for our scale. While I was visiting with the owner the other day, an N-scaler friend dropped in, and I showed him the gorgeous new SHS sets on display. He had no idea of the beauty and detail now available in S, and confided that his eyes were getting too old for his lilliputian scale. He said that he will eventually have to switch to S or 0. He was so impressed with the detail on Don's products that I'm hoping we will soon have another convert. The shop owner agreed with him. He said that, after having handled SHS, he would model in S instead of in 0 if he had it to do all over again, but he has too much Lionel stuff now to switch. I believe that "seeing is believing," and that one of our best methods of recruiting to S is to display these new offerings to modelers in other scales. That can be accomplished by displaying individual or club layouts at train shows, swap meets, toy shows, whatever venue is available. If there are lone wolves out there without a portable layout, even a simple static display can be effective (that's how I started, and it was the genesis of our club and its huge portable layout, "Lookout Junction"). The important thing is to get the products out there so they can sell themselves, and The Showcase Line can do just that. Thanks, Don; you're making it easier for us all the time. And here's my reservation for the next Eagle boxcar you might produce. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7679	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert Heritage book

Okay guys, no more requests. Looks like I should have went mercenary and maybe made a tidy profit. The books are both spoken for right now. The store is checking for me to see if any more are available. If more are available, I will let you know.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7680	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: AC to DC and Lamp Bulbs

- Greeting`S' - Art and John have asked some good questions concerning operations. Here are a couple of comments. My railroad runs on DC. An ammeter is included in each train control circuit. The short freight with an Atlantic on the point rarely draws over 1.5 A, even while climbing the trestle set. The two-unit twin- motored Diesel with four lighted passenger cars may take 4 A. At the unhappy occurence of a Pacific jumping the track, well over 5 A flows. As a minimum, I recommend the 6 A, 50 V bridge rectifier from Radio Shack, Digikey, Jameco, or others. The 25 A, 50 V bridge does not cost much more and will likely have a long lifetime. Mount the bridge rectifier on a good-sized (6" x 6") piece of aluminum for a heatsink. I tend to go with 10 A or greater capacity rectifier. Keeping the turnout lamp housings cool and the bulbs lasting longer can certainly be accomplished with 24V, screw-based bulbs. They are not easily found. I disconnect the yellow wire from the controller at the turnout and tape it off. An 8 V to 10 V transformer is con- nected between the black wire terminal and the yellow wire terminal on the turnout. A 14 V bulb running on this voltage is dimmer, cooler, and longer-lived. If the black leads on all the turnouts go to the respective turnout controllers and if the black leads from controllers to transformer all go to the same transformer post, then this solution may be expanded by tying all the yellow turnout posts together and running them from one 8 V to 10 V transformer of adequate current rating. The circuit to reduce voltage on the controller lamps is a bit more complicated. If there is interest, I shall describe it. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7681	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Mystery "fireless" steamer

So this isn't exactly S-Gauge related it is about trains - - can anyone tell me more about this engine other than it's a PP&L Heissler - - the "largest fireless" built? We saw it at Strasburg two weeks ago and it's actually pretty cool looking, but hard to figure out - - closed back like a tank engine, but no apparent coal bin or water tanks onboard. Hmmmmm.... http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_ppl4094.jpg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7682	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery "fireless" steamer

david_horn@... wrote: > > So this isn't exactly S-Gauge related it is about trains - - can anyone tell > me more about this engine other than it's a PP&L Heissler - - the "largest > fireless" built? > > We saw it at Strasburg two weeks ago and it's actually pretty cool looking, > but hard to figure out - - closed back like a tank engine, but no apparent > coal bin or water tanks onboard. Hmmmmm.... >(snip) These locos were called "fireless" because they did not have a firebox nor did they carry water. They were filled with steam, or compressed air in some cases, from a stationary plant, then ran until the steam got low. Think of them as a large storage tank on top of a steam loco frame. They were extremely useful in areas where fire and smoke was a bad thing, or if the company already had a large stationary boiler and a need for some local shifting! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7683	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Update on Rex Line

Dear 'S'ers, I received a packet of information from Putt Trains last week and finally had a chance to look through it. The Rex line of steam locomotive kits has some 170 parts now available. That's the good news. Unfortunately, the drivers are not available (the bad), nor are any complete kits. Terry is planning on offering the 2-6-0 Mogul, 0-6-0 switcher, and Docksider as scale or hirail kits/RTR by the end of 2000. Hopefully, that will come to pass. Paul Yorke (The WebMaster) has offered to help Terry get this information on the web, so, hopefully, he will take advantage of this offer. In the meantime, if you are interested in seeing what is currently available in the Rex line, contact Putt Trains: Putt Trains, Inc. P. O. Box 463 Orwell, OH 44076-0463 That is all. 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7684	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: Model Railroading Magazine

> Hello Today I spoke with Randy at Model Railroading > magazine.His magazine has now a circulation of about > 15,000. Hewould like some S Scale articles. They pay $80 a > page.Call Randy at 888 338-1700 [toll free] for full > information.He did say that anybody that sends in a > article must havepatience, sometimes it will take time > before it would getprinted. Also Randy would like to do a > insert once ortwice a year with articles and manufacturers > ads.They do this once before [ S Scale Today] I liked > thatvery much, problem was very little follow up ads. > $80 a page seems like a good deal to me.OK Start > shooting. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7685	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: The Bulbs

Thanks to Chris, Roger and Rhett, Proves that this bulb thing is complex. Yes, I put the 24v in the "green" port of the transformer as that is continually on. On The switchgear, I thought of using the smaller clear 18v lights which significantly increase clearance on the switchcases-thus protecting the plastic from overheating. Then placing a strip of colored plastic (red/green) across the top surface of the controllers (my are all in a row) to simulate position color (can't find the plastic)-probably need to create spacing above the case to air the lamps tho or the plastic will mmmmmmelt. Then Keep the 18v in the switch lamps--they burn out with a vengeance-oh well. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7686	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Mystery "fireless" steamer

This is a steamer used where a fire could be a hazard. The "boiler" is just a large insulated tank. It gets charged by a stationary plant, with either steam, or very hot water. As the throttle is opened, the reduction in pressure allows the water to flash into steam, and the expansive power of the steam helps provide a lot of useful work before it needs to be recharged. This is the coolest looking one I've seen, even skirted!! Neat!! Thanks for sharing. S' David PS Hmm, what a neat prototype to model!! No smoke unit needed either, although you could do one for the cylinder exhaust.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7687	From: JIM SYPHAX	Date: 3/14/2000
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE

THIS IS MY SECOND REQUEST - SINCE SATURDAY. PLEASE STOP. I WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM S-TRAINS@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7688	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Tom Hanks' new train

Just watched Tom Hanks on a rerun of David Letterman. Second time I've seen it. Tells about going to a Hobby shop/train store to buy a train for around his Christmas tree. Funny stuff!! Didn't have a clue what he wanted, just a picture of a train! Bought an 'O' gauge set, took it home, took him 3 1/2 hrs to set up an oval!! {he says he's not mechanical!} Had problems with it, took it back, found out there was a short in the track. Got back home, hooked it all back up and started "trainin'!" He said, "The most helpful people in the world work in train stores!" To bad they didn't sell him 'S'!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7689	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Micheal Prell wrote: > Kind of looks like they shot the horse, held the wake > and funeral and have already buried the carcass. Talk > about fearing the competition. Couldn't kill the > product when A.C. ran things, so what better way to > eliminate a thorn in their side then to simply ignore > it. It will go away won't it? Industrial espionage allegations aside, Lionel has to worry about it's core business (O-Gauge) before it can consider any revival of American Flyer. They're still not out of the woods in that market. I wouldn't hold my breath... SHS and AM are the future of S, not American Flyer. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7690	From: michael prell	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

SHS and AM stand on the shoulder of one mighty big giant known as American Flyer. Big L might control what's going on in that department and your comment's well taken but it's still a shame that the Mighty L couldn't keep some of the promices that it made regarding S. From what I've read and heard about their current line, of O, it appears that quality control is lacking. I'd hate to see that same lack of control passed on to S. Also makes me glad that I'm satisfied with the original Gilbert product. But then again, what do I know. --- Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> wrote: > Micheal Prell wrote: > > Kind of looks like they shot the horse, held the > wake > > and funeral and have already buried the carcass. > Talk > > about fearing the competition. Couldn't kill the > > product when A.C. ran things, so what better way > to > > eliminate a thorn in their side then to simply > ignore > > it. It will go away won't it? > > Industrial espionage allegations aside, Lionel has > to worry about > it's core business (O-Gauge) before it can consider > any revival > of American Flyer. They're still not out of the > woods in that > market. > > I wouldn't hold my breath... > > SHS and AM are the future of S, not American Flyer. > > Be seeing you... > Rich G. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7691	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: AC Gilbert's Heritage

I will offer these to anyone on the list first for the purchase cost and priority mail shipping. Roger: Send your address, I want one! Thanks, Chris Zizzo busy-boy@... if x's follow @ they stand for msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7692	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Bridges

I'm going to need to construct, hopefully within the span of my lifetime, two bridges, both 52"in length. They will have to carry three rails and be removable, or hinged, so I can walk through. Any suggestions as to where I can get plans? Thanx Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge,CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7693	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: G-8 diesel

Back in the 1950s General Motors Diesel built 11 G-8s for Canadaian National. Does anyone know whether any G-8s were ever made in the US? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7694	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: AC to DC Conversion

I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions on this subject and let you know that as a result, I got a rectifier last night and am now running AF trains on DC power. So far so good. Thanks, Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7695	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] G-8 diesel

As far as I know<<<<<none. Take at the diesel spoters guide. I think some used ones made it to the states Larry sigma@... wrote: > From: sigma@... > > Back in the 1950s General Motors Diesel built 11 G-8s for Canadaian > National. Does anyone know whether any G-8s were ever made in the US? > Joe Pereira > > email: sigma@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/5/_/494531/_/953145028/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7696	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Hi S Gaugers, I usually read these postings and don't join in. But due to recent experience, I had to get in this one. I bought a American Flyer by lionel diesel engine from the dreaded Ebay. Had some problems. Sent email to lionel tech support asking for certain wire size and color. they wrote back to take it to a service dealer. I wrote back, that I didn't want to take it for service, I just wanted to know about two wires. They wrote, take it to a service dealer. I wrote back that someone there designed this engine and someone there repairs them, and you should be able to give me this information. Didn't here from them any more. But it did confirm the feeling I had since a kid in 1952 "lionel should dry up and blow away." Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7697	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-(

Ron Sorry about your bad experience with that other company. Just wanted to say that it wouldn't have happened with SHS. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Brady <rbrady@...> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-( > From: Ron Brady <rbrady@...> > > Hi S Gaugers, > I usually read these postings and don't join in. But due to recent > experience, I had to get in this one. I bought a American Flyer by > lionel diesel engine from the dreaded Ebay. Had some problems. Sent > email to lionel tech support asking for certain wire size and color. > they wrote back to take it to a service dealer. I wrote back, that I > didn't want to take it for service, I just wanted to know about two > wires. They wrote, take it to a service dealer. I wrote back that > someone there designed this engine and someone there repairs them, and > you should be able to give me this information. Didn't here from them > any more. But it did confirm the feeling I had since a kid in 1952 > "lionel should dry up and blow away." > > Ron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/5/_/494531/_/953153005/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7698	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Cable Cars

Paul ; Received the streetcar today. What a deal that was. Sure thankful for you telling me about this. That is one beautiful car. Much nicer then a photo can do justice. It's exactly what I was looking for and within my limited financial resources. Gale Hall also sent me a gift of two San Francisco cable cars. These are very nice and will fit in perfectly with the village car and the towns theme. That was an extremely kind thing that Gale did. So I wish to thank you both and have plenty to do for a long time. Happy Railroading Bob Wight paul rinehart wrote: > Bob, > has the streetcar come in ? does it look like it will do what you wanted > ? > paul > > Bob Wight wrote: > > > Paul; just wanted to let you know on that auction you sent me on the > > street car. It closed with me at high bidder. $51.00 plus $10.00 S&H. > > I think a lot of these ebay sellers are making there profit in S&H. > > But it doesn't matter to me because when I bid I figure that in. So > > $61.00 an't bad. Just thought I would let you know. Thanks. > > Bob Wight > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7699	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Videos

Thanks to the person who pointed out the broken links on the video clip page. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/library/library.htm They should be fixed now. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7700	From: JIM SYPHAX	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: Unsubscribed

Paul Why did you shut me off the s-scale list? I requested to be off the S-Trains list. I sent first email to mailto:s-trains-unsubscribe@onelist.com it did't work. You may want to re examine the unsubscribe feature. I have noticed several people that go live on the list as I did to get shut off. I just didn't want to have to go through receiveing 300 or 400 messages form the s lists knowing 150 to 200 would be duplicates that show up on both lists. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> To: <jhsyphax@...> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 6:30 AM Subject: Unsubscribed > I have shut off the mail flow from S-Scale list. > You will not get anymore mail from it. > > If you want to unsubscribe I suggest you visit the onelist site, or send > a note to > s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > This instruction is at the bottom of every onelist note that goes out. > > -- > Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. > American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers > http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...) > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7701	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: screw Lionel

With SHS and AM producing beautiful items, why do we need Lionel? This is the company that gave us O gauge cars a few years ago, stuck AF trucks on them and told us it was a offering for all us lucky AF fans. Lionel has their head stuck up their rear, quality control is second rate for the majority of the O gauge, and they have proven they don't care about the S market. I could care less if they ever offer another lame Christmas car. I own a number of AM engines, and I love how they run, I appreciate their quietness ( my LTI silver flash repro is deafening when it's up to half speed), and the paint job is first rate. We have never had it so good!, MTH is giving us a coal loader, Steam engines are being produced, parts are plentiful, we have several track options, (I vote for gargraves SS - mine has been maintenance free for the past 7 years!) what more could we want? (a repro rocket would be the only thing to get me into the LTI camp again). Marc

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7702	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tom Hanks' new train

One of the home shipping network channels last year had a session that featured what had to be the American Models AMTRAK set, it was some guy and a woman who were totally goofy over the thing, how the lights flashed, how it reversed, all that crap for about 10 minutes; These people were totally stupid idiots when it came to having any clue of what they wre looking at--they also had the same BS routine about a Lionel set that was an SW-? and freight cars. TV coverage may have been a great idea, but these morons made it totally laughable. Rick Evans {bAss-flyer} wrote: > From: "Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}" <comic@...> > > Just watched Tom Hanks on a rerun of David Letterman. Second time I've > seen it. Tells about going to a Hobby shop/train store to buy a train > for around his Christmas tree. Funny stuff!! Didn't have a clue what > he wanted, just a picture of a train! Bought an 'O' gauge set, took it > home, took him 3 1/2 hrs to set up an oval!! {he says he's not > mechanical!} Had problems with it, took it back, found out there was > a short in the track. Got back home, hooked it all back up and > started "trainin'!" > > He said, "The most helpful people in the world work in train stores!" > To bad they didn't sell him 'S'!! > > Rick. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/5/_/494531/_/953109008/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7703	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Your term "trigger voltage" reminds me of something called a zener diode. I never got past high-school circuits class, so I have no idea of it can be made to work here. All I took in school was space. DJE-KCMO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7704	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: List Mail Option

Jim, Just a note: There is also a "No Mail/Web Only" option on your "My Groups" page of One-List. This way you can still be subscribed, but not receive the mailings. I usually set this option when I go on vaction so my mailbox doesn't overload, then reset it to "Digest Only" when I return. It works great. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7705	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

> Your term "trigger voltage" reminds me of something called a zener diode. I never > got past high-school circuits class, so I have no idea of it can be made to work > here. All I took in school was space. DJE-KCMO Zener diodes are probably where that term first entered my brain. Light bulbs have a minimum voltage requirement, below which they will not illuminate. When the voltage is reached they "catch fire". You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and the filament will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. Once it's out if you raise the voltage, again the filament will not re-light until it reaches that trigger level. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7706	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Chris, Unfortunately you have it all wrong. There is NO trigger voltage at which the filament will re-light. The "trigger" is at what "temperature" your eye can first ascertain light (red) from the filament. In a darkened room you should be able to detect a reddish glow at approximately 720 degrees Fahrenheit. (I know, I made a number of the types of measurements with a calibrated photometer. It took practice, to repeatedly make concise low temperature measurements.) To reiterate, a filament will start radiating energy as soon as a voltage is impressed, but us humans will not be able to visually detect it until the filament's temperature approaches 700-800 degrees Fahrenheit. Cheers, Ron Morris At 09:16 AM 3/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > >> Your term "trigger voltage" reminds me of something called a zener diode. >I never >> got past high-school circuits class, so I have no idea of it can be made >to work >> here. All I took in school was space. DJE-KCMO > >Zener diodes are probably where that term first entered my brain. Light >bulbs have a minimum voltage requirement, below which they will not >illuminate. When the voltage is reached they "catch fire". You can then >reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and the filament >will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. >Once it's out if you raise the voltage, again the filament will not re-light >until it reaches that trigger level. > >Two to go, >Chris Zizzo > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/953216169/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7707	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Installing DCC + Sound in S Helper Service SW-1

The Bristol S Gaugers web site has been updated with information on installing DCC & sound in the new S Helper Service EMD SW-1 switcher. Follow the links to the DCC pages. The SW-1 installation article includes several pictures, and two different approaches to speaker installation. The home page is at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge Also there is now a link to the "Getting Started with NMRA DCC in S Gauge" handout from the DCC projects page. Look for additional DCC in S scale projects to be written up on these pages in the future, including decoder installations in other locomotives, DCC control of operating accessories, and other fun projects. Michael Greene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7708	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Ron Morris replied: > Unfortunately you have it all wrong. There is NO trigger voltage at which > the filament will re-light. The "trigger" is at what "temperature" your eye > can first ascertain light (red) from the filament. In a darkened room you > should be able to detect a reddish glow at approximately 720 degrees > Fahrenheit. (I know, I made a number of the types of measurements with a > calibrated photometer. It took practice, to repeatedly make concise low > temperature measurements.) > > To reiterate, a filament will start radiating energy as soon as a voltage > is impressed, but us humans will not be able to visually detect it until > the filament's temperature approaches 700-800 degrees Fahrenheit. Ron: I will be happy to concede the science on this if you can please explain part two of the post, and I reiterate: "You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and the filament will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. Once it's out, if you raise the voltage again, the filament will not re-light until it reaches that trigger level." Try this. You will find that you have no light at (hypothetically) 5 volts, but the light will (appear?) to come on at 7 volts. Dim that same bulb and watch a glow all the way down to 2.5 volts. Turn to zero volts, then come up again and no light until 7 volts. (All hypothetical voltages. Values will vary with bulb, dimmer and power source choices.) If my eyes can see the filament glowing at 2 or 3 volts on the way down, how come that same eye cannot see it on the way up? How come the voltage points, where visible light emission is noted, are repeatable? Why does the filament seem to burst alight instead of smoothly following a brightness curve paralleling the voltage increase, as it does once it is visibly lit? If you dim the bulb until it is just barely aglow, you can raise it smoothly up to maximum, but if you let the glow disappear, you will not see light on the raise until the appointed voltage point. I believe the answer involves a type of inertia which resists the physical change which the filament must undergo when it commences to glow. The point at which this inertia is overcome may be called the trigger voltage for want of a better name. It has been pointed out to me, and I have conceded the point, that the term is used with reference to zener diodes. I have experimented with this phenomenon since I was a child. I work with lights and dimmers every day. I regularly use 24,000 watt lamps on 220VAC with electronic dimmers, and the principle remains the same as it did with miniature bulbs on an American Flyer transformer. I would be very interested in your answers to the three questions which I posed above. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7709	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Hi Chris, What happens is that the resistance of the coil drops a lot when it gets hot enough to glow. Once the resistance has dropped the glow can be sustained by a lower voltage, as it will produce a much higher current flow than when the bulb is "cold". I agree that what you says happens, happens! Bill At 12:20 PM 3/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > >Ron Morris replied: >> Unfortunately you have it all wrong. There is NO trigger voltage at which >> the filament will re-light. The "trigger" is at what "temperature" your >eye >Then Chris said: > >Ron: >I will be happy to concede the science on this if you can please explain >part two of the post, and I reiterate: > >"You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and >the filament >will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. >Once it's out, if you raise the voltage again, the filament will not >re-light >until it reaches that trigger level."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7710	From: Joe Haughney	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Phantom Products from Lionel?

Gentlemen: I was wondering if anyone had taken delivery on the new Lionel AF engine, caboose and tankcar. I ordered one of each from my local store but nothing has come in to date. I did get the barrel loader with the lamp and it runs nice. Also as a proud owner of two MTH Z4000s, I was wondering if anyone else was enjoying them and if so if they were willing to swap Emails on their experiences. I am also awaiting the release of the remote control unit for the Z4000s which appears to be like awaiting for a Lionel/AF release. Regads (Bostonese for Regards) Joe Haughney

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7711	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Phantom Products from Lionel?

Joe, What is a MTH Z4000 and who makes it. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Haughney <jhaugh12@...> To: <S-trains@onelist.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Phantom Products from Lionel? > From: Joe Haughney <jhaugh12@...> > > Gentlemen: > I was wondering if anyone had taken delivery on the new Lionel AF > engine, caboose and tankcar. I ordered one of each from my local store > but nothing has come in to date. I did get the barrel loader with the > lamp and it runs nice. > > Also as a proud owner of two MTH Z4000s, I was wondering if anyone else > was enjoying them and if so if they were willing to swap Emails on their > experiences. I am also awaiting the release of the remote control unit > for the Z4000s which appears to be like awaiting for a Lionel/AF > release. > > Regads (Bostonese for Regards) > Joe Haughney > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/5/_/494531/_/953231814/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7712	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: lionel VS. Mth

I've heard a rumor that some of Lionel's blue prints and dies were "Borrowed" from the Korean manufacturer by people who might have been connected with Mth. Has anyone else heard about this? Will this affect Mth's output of his Coal loader or is it already out? This is one piece I could not afford as I'm more the operator/collector on a low low budget rather than the just a collector and Flyers Coal Loader was way out of my league. I use a combination of Flyer and Lionel ass. So another brand name won't hurt, although they all use American Flyer as the standard! Well I'm off to work to pay for my habit oops hobby Have a great day everyone! Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7713	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Wanted - Casey Jones Type Engine 4-6-0 for S Fest Layout

Greetings: This October the Badgerland S Gaugers will be hosting tne national S Fest www.trainweb.org/bsg here in Wisconsin. I am attempting to fund and create a module of 16-20' depicting the IC train wreck on April 30 in Vaughan Station, Mississippi, commemorating the 100th Anniversary of the IC Casey Jones Wreck. I am new to serious S Gauging and this is my first attempt at a module, which in this case, is basically, a single line with a depot and two side-by's coming of an S curve. I am looking for the best example in S Gauge of a locomotive depicting the Casey's engine, which was a Rogers built 4-6-0. I have seen the American Flyer 21165 and the Casey Jones L2001. They are 4-4-0's and will do fine for the other trains there at the time of the collision. There were four trains on the side-bys with one being a double-header. As you can see, I am in need of operating Flyer 4-4-0's. If any one has one or knows someone who has one for sale, please e-mail me details and picture, if possible. www.valspec@.... I would like to display a more accurate S gauge depiction of the late 1800's type steam and the 382, Casey's engine number. If anyone knows of an S gauge model brass,plastic, diecast, whatever, that is either a 4-6-0 or a 2-6-0, which would also work, please e mail me. 'S'incerely 'S'ubmitted, Glenn Sarlitto Princeton & Palmer Railroad Badgerland S Gaugers P.S. DONT MISS THE LIVE RE-CREATION OF THE CASEY JONES WRECK in S GAUGE FEATURING AMERICAN FLYER, AT THE CONVENTION THIS OCTOBER HALLOWEEN IN MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN. VISIT NEARBY APPLETON, HOME OF HOUDINI. RUMOR HAS IT THAT CASEY'S GHOST MAY APPEAR TO HELP RUN THE TRAINS! Thanks Again, GS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7714	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Casey Jones Update

Greetings: My correct e-mail address is vaspec@.... I see that my previous post gave the wrong e-mail address. Glenn Sarlitto

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7715	From: valspec@ix.netcom.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Casey Jones Update

Greetings: This is turning into a bad day :) My correct e-mail is valspec@... Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7716	From: Bill Porter	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Hi Gents, I love this stuff. This answer, too is exactly backwards. In fact, when the filament gets hot the resistance increases. You can prove it with a simple test using an ammeter. So, start with some juice and the filament conducts like crazy - lots of amperage. The current causes heating and some radiation. Enough radiation and we can see it as light. When the filament heats up, the resistance also goes up and the current goes down - curious, but true. The circuit stabilizes at a new temperature and we can all see. Now, lower the voltage and the current will also lower, but, since it is now pretty low due to the increased resistance, the light does not reduce completely until.....we go below a threshold to keep the thing warm. Now, the cooler filament can carry the load without heating. Without heating, the resistance goes down and there is a bit more current. Raise the voltage and the filament will still conduct the current OK until there is enough to heat the thing up again. This kind of reaction is why some scale guys used to place an automobile, 12 volt lamp in series with home made power packs. Below the threshold to heat the lamp, it acts just like a wire. Get a short circuit and the increased current will heat the filament, the lamp will glow and the current will drop significantly - thus protecting things. I hope this has been illuminating. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Thursday, March 16, 2000 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb >From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> > >Hi Chris, > >What happens is that the resistance of the coil drops a lot when it gets hot >enough to glow. Once the resistance has dropped the glow can be sustained by >a lower voltage, as it will produce a much higher current flow than when the >bulb is "cold". > >I agree that what you says happens, happens! > >Bill > > >At 12:20 PM 3/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >>From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> >> >>Ron Morris replied: >>> Unfortunately you have it all wrong. There is NO trigger voltage at which >>> the filament will re-light. The "trigger" is at what "temperature" your >>eye > >>Then Chris said: >> >>Ron: >>I will be happy to concede the science on this if you can please explain >>part two of the post, and I reiterate: >> >>"You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and >>the filament >>will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. >>Once it's out, if you raise the voltage again, the filament will not >>re-light >>until it reaches that trigger level." > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7717	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Lionel 2343 A-A units for sale

If this is not appropriate for this list, let me know, but I thought I'd let you know ahead of the rest of the world (i.e. eBay), that I have a nice pair of postwar Lionel 2343 A-A units (one twin-motor powered, the other a dummy) for sale. Both are in VG to VG+ condition with some small scratches here and there, but the noses of both are especially shiny and nice, and their decals are ~95% including nose decals intact, but cracked. These are the version with detailed grab irons on the nose, horns, top-side screen vents, portal covers, metal ladders, etc. Those are all there and all original. The powered unit had some minor battery bay corrosion that was removed and repainted. A chrome replacement battery bracket was also installed. The paint very closely matches the original in color and texture/finish and was applied only to the interior and exterior underside of the midriff of the powered unit. Bench testing indicates the motors are as strong as an ox and the e-unit works well. The horn unit and solenoid are there, and I'm assuming it works based on the fact I was told that it does when I bought these. If it's essential to your purchase decision I can test it. I purchased these beauties three years ago, but since then I continued to focus on S-Gauge American Flyer. However, at the time I just couldn't resist them (they have great classic-toy-train appeal). For the past three years they've been wrapped in 100% white cotton cloths in a cardboard box in a cabinet in our climate controlled basement. Now I'd rather buy some more Flyer. I paid $300 for them, and that's what I'm selling them for. If you're interested, please let me know. Thank you. I don't have photos (need a digital camera), but I may be attending the Timonium, Maryland Show this weekend, and plan to be at York Friday April 14 by about 7:00 a.m., so I could bring them with me. PS What's the best way for me to test the horn? I have a Lionel 1033 transformer and a separate dual button control unit that can be attached to that. Will it suffice to use the orange handle on the transformer or do I need to use the auxiliary button controller? Hey, I'm a Flyer operator. Actually, someday I'd like to have a larger layout that is multi-scale including Standard, O, S, HO, and n. I enjoy trains of all sizes and types, but Flyer's my favorite. Presently, we (my kids and I, that makes 3 kids in our family)run trains in each of these sizes except standard (so far), just not on one setup. Thanks in advance for your help with the horn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7718	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel wiring

A few years ago (maybe 5) Lionel sent me the hand drawn (freehand) wiring diagrams for the PA's (both AC and DC motors I believe). These were not schematics but more like the "back of the napkin at lunch" type of thing. Anyway, if anyone needs them I can copy. --- Nick >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ > >Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:45:19 -0500 > From: Ron Brady <rbrady@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Any Lionel murmurrings?? :-)/:-( > >Hi S Gaugers, > I usually read these postings and don't join in. But due to recent >experience, I had to get in this one. I bought a American Flyer by >lionel diesel engine from the dreaded Ebay. Had some problems. Sent >email to lionel tech support asking for certain wire size and color. >they wrote back to take it to a service dealer. I wrote back, that I >didn't want to take it for service, I just wanted to know about two >wires. They wrote, take it to a service dealer. I wrote back that >someone there designed this engine and someone there repairs them, and >you should be able to give me this information. Didn't here from them >any more. But it did confirm the feeling I had since a kid in 1952 >"lionel should dry up and blow away." > >Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7719	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb

Chris, (Won't include my initial posting.) 1. To repeat the point at which it first "appears" that the filament is glowing, you *must* start with the filament's actual (physical) temperature at ambient temperature. The following scenario is assuming an 18 volt rated bulb (eg #432 -[18V/.0.25A]) a.) Rapidly, or instantaneously, increase the applied voltage until the applied voltage is say 7 volts. b.) Immediately note the voltage *and* amperage. c.) Allow the voltage and current to stabilize. Read and note volts and amps. (Works much better if you have a constant voltage source, but not required.) d.) Now lower the input voltage to say 2.5 volts and allow the current to stabilize. e.) Turn voltage source off. Keep off for at least ten (10) minutes. f.) Repeat steps a thru d and you'll find that the apparent filament temperature (glow) is the same. 2. To follow your other scenario a.) Do steps 1a thru 1d. b.) Raise the voltage to the value achieved in step 1c. c.) Allow the conditions to stabilize to values voltage and ampereage achieved in step 1c. Apparent *glow* should be the same as step 1c. 3. Reason for the variations you have indicated. a.) When the filament is at room temperature, the filament resistance has a value of *X*, that resistance will change with temperature. Increase with increasing temperatures and decrease as the temperature decreases. b.) The resistance will change at a rate proportional to the filament's temperature. (R = R(20) [1 + Constant x (T - 20)] Where R(20) is the resistance at 20 degrees Celsius; T = filament's temperature in degrees Celsius; Constant for tungsten = .0045 c.) Starting at any filament temperature, other than the initial value, will provide misleading results *unless* you allow the voltage and current to reach equilibrium. d.) The reason for the variation you noted going up in voltage vs going down is that the filament resistance is different. In order to obtain repeatable data all conditions must be identical. 4. One thing that I learned in 30+ years in engineering, for any data to be meaningful, it must be repeatable within a statistical variation. BTW Bill was right in saying that the resistance was different at operating voltage than at zero volts. However, the resistance increases, not decreases, as the filament heats up. Did I confuse the issue more? Or did I make my point? Cheers, Ron Morris At 12:20 PM 3/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Ron: >I will be happy to concede the science on this if you can please explain >part two of the post, and I reiterate: > >"You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and >the filament >will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. >Once it's out, if you raise the voltage again, the filament will not >re-light >until it reaches that trigger level." > >Try this. You will find that you have no light at (hypothetically) 5 volts, >but the light will (appear?) to come on at 7 volts. Dim that same bulb and >watch a glow all the way down to 2.5 volts. Turn to zero volts, then come >up again and no light until 7 volts. (All hypothetical voltages. Values >will vary with bulb, dimmer and power source choices.) > >If my eyes can see the filament glowing at 2 or 3 volts on the way down, how >come that same eye cannot see it on the way up? How come the voltage >points, where visible light emission is noted, are repeatable? Why does the >filament seem to burst alight instead of smoothly following a brightness >curve paralleling the voltage increase, as it does once it is visibly lit? >If you dim the bulb until it is just barely aglow, you can raise it smoothly >up to maximum, but if you let the glow disappear, you will not see light on >the raise until the appointed voltage point. > >I believe the answer involves a type of inertia which resists the physical >change which the filament must undergo when it commences to glow. The point >at which this inertia is overcome may be called the trigger voltage for want >of a better name. It has been pointed out to me, and I have conceded the >point, that the term is used with reference to zener diodes. > >I have experimented with this phenomenon since I was a child. I work with >lights and dimmers every day. I regularly use 24,000 watt lamps on 220VAC >with electronic dimmers, and the principle remains the same as it did with >miniature bulbs on an American Flyer transformer. > >I would be very interested in your answers to the three questions which I >posed above. > >Two to go, >Chris Zizzo > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7720	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Phantom Products from Lionel?

In a message dated 3/16/00 12:37:53 PM Central Standard Time, jhaugh12@... writes: << I was wondering if anyone had taken delivery on the new Lionel AF engine, caboose and tankcar. I ordered one of each from my local store but nothing has come in to date. >> John, One of the dealers told me that they came in and went out already. Another one told me that he haven't seen his yet. The third dealer only had one cabooses left, so I bought that. Contact a few more and they are sold out. I guess we'll be seeing them on Ebay soon. George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7721	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Flat Cars

I just saw some real nice K-Line flat cars hauling three 57 Corvettes or three 67 Camaros and would like to know if they could be fitted with AF trucks and how they would look with the AF trains.They are 13" long.Thanks in advance. Don Bitting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7722	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 565

Just received my SW-1 switcher Pennsy #5953 from SHS today March 16th. Ran it in for 20 min. than relubed everything. Put it on the track with Pennsy SW-9 in lash up and pull 35 cars no trouble. Great little switcher. Thanks SHS Mike Newcomer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7723	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 3/16/2000
Subject: T&P 375

HI , Does anyone know if the T&P 375 came with a air whistle and does the air chime the control for it. Also the 405 Silver Streak Thanks In advance Mike S. Anormal1@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7724	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Lionel ATSF Caboose

For those looking for a Lionel/Flyer ATSF caboose, Chesterfield Hobbies has one in stock. Chesterfield Hobbies sells for full retail but that will be cheaper than ebay price later on. They are located on-line and have e-mail but I cannot remember the address. If you want to call them, they are located in the Richmond, VA area, 804-379-9091. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7725	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: lionel VS. Mth

Wayne Grinnell wrote: > I've heard a rumor that some of Lionel's blue prints and dies were > "Borrowed" from the Korean manufacturer by people who might have been > connected with Mth. Has anyone else heard about this? Will this affect > Mth's output of his Coal loader or is it already out? Wanye, You got the story backwards. An employee of Lionel's Korean contractor is accused of "Borrowing" plans from MTH. Thus far, the allegation only pertains to the "O" gauge N&W Class A 2-6-6-4. Likey, MTH will be "Reverse Engineering" the old American Flyer Loader, and drawing plans and designing tooling from that. "Reverse Engineering" appears to be an acceptable business practice in this era. I have heard that as long as there is a 10% (or 17% from another source) difference between the original and copy, it can be considered "different" and not a trademark or patent violation. The Coal Loader from MTH is scheduled for October. As MTH's delivery dates have been slipping lately, the Loader could come out even later. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7726	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb - additional question

Hey Ron, Based on the calculations you gave, plus your experience, is the following statement correct? We have two hypothetical bulbs. One is rated at 16v, 200ma. The other is 20v, 200ma. The 20v bulb will always run cooler than the 16v bulb, with the voltage on both set anywhere from 14 to 18v. It seems to me that since both bulbs are rated at 200 ma at their rated voltage, that there will always be less current flow in the 20v bulb than in the 16v bulb, thus it will generate less heat. I understand that the 20v bulb will also throw less light, but that's not an issue for me. I guess my question boils down to this: is the heat output of a tungsten bulb proportional to the current flow through it? Thanks! Bill At 07:58 PM 3/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >From: Train Collectors Association <toytrain@...> > >Chris, > >(Won't include my initial posting.) > >1. To repeat the point at which it first "appears" that the filament is >glowing, you *must* start with the filament's actual (physical) temperature >at ambient temperature. > The following scenario is assuming an 18 volt rated bulb (eg #432 >-[18V/.0.25A]) > a.) Rapidly, or instantaneously, increase the applied voltage until the >applied voltage is say 7 volts. > b.) Immediately note the voltage *and* amperage. > c.) Allow the voltage and current to stabilize. Read and note volts and >amps. (Works much better if you have a constant voltage source, but not >required.) > d.) Now lower the input voltage to say 2.5 volts and allow the current to >stabilize. > e.) Turn voltage source off. Keep off for at least ten (10) minutes. > f.) Repeat steps a thru d and you'll find that the apparent filament >temperature (glow) is the same. > >2. To follow your other scenario > a.) Do steps 1a thru 1d. > b.) Raise the voltage to the value achieved in step 1c. > c.) Allow the conditions to stabilize to values voltage and ampereage >achieved in step 1c. Apparent *glow* should be the same as step 1c. > >3. Reason for the variations you have indicated. > a.) When the filament is at room temperature, the filament resistance has >a value of *X*, that resistance will change with temperature. Increase with >increasing temperatures and decrease as the temperature decreases. > b.) The resistance will change at a rate proportional to the filament's >temperature. (R = R(20) [1 + Constant x (T - 20)] > Where R(20) is the resistance at 20 degrees Celsius; T = filament's >temperature in degrees Celsius; Constant for tungsten = .0045 > c.) Starting at any filament temperature, other than the initial value, >will provide misleading results *unless* you allow the voltage and current >to reach equilibrium. > d.) The reason for the variation you noted going up in voltage vs going >down is that the filament resistance is different. In order to obtain >repeatable data all conditions must be identical. > >4. One thing that I learned in 30+ years in engineering, for any data to be >meaningful, it must be repeatable within a statistical variation. > >BTW Bill was right in saying that the resistance was different at operating >voltage than at zero volts. However, the resistance increases, not >decreases, as the filament heats up. > >Did I confuse the issue more? Or did I make my point? > >Cheers, > >Ron Morris > > >At 12:20 PM 3/16/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Ron: >>I will be happy to concede the science on this if you can please explain >>part two of the post, and I reiterate: >> >>"You can then reduce the voltage to a point well below where it came on and >>the filament >>will continue to burn until there is too little power to maintain the light. >>Once it's out, if you raise the voltage again, the filament will not >>re-light >>until it reaches that trigger level." >> >>Try this. You will find that you have no light at (hypothetically) 5 volts, >>but the light will (appear?) to come on at 7 volts. Dim that same bulb and >>watch a glow all the way down to 2.5 volts. Turn to zero volts, then come >>up again and no light until 7 volts. (All hypothetical voltages. Values >>will vary with bulb, dimmer and power source choices.) >> >>If my eyes can see the filament glowing at 2 or 3 volts on the way down, how >>come that same eye cannot see it on the way up? How come the voltage >>points, where visible light emission is noted, are repeatable? Why does the >>filament seem to burst alight instead of smoothly following a brightness >>curve paralleling the voltage increase, as it does once it is visibly lit? >>If you dim the bulb until it is just barely aglow, you can raise it smoothly >>up to maximum, but if you let the glow disappear, you will not see light on >>the raise until the appointed voltage point. >> >>I believe the answer involves a type of inertia which resists the physical >>change which the filament must undergo when it commences to glow. The point >>at which this inertia is overcome may be called the trigger voltage for want >>of a better name. It has been pointed out to me, and I have conceded the >>point, that the term is used with reference to zener diodes. >> >>I have experimented with this phenomenon since I was a child. I work with >>lights and dimmers every day. I regularly use 24,000 watt lamps on 220VAC >>with electronic dimmers, and the principle remains the same as it did with >>miniature bulbs on an American Flyer transformer. >> >>I would be very interested in your answers to the three questions which I >>posed above. >> >>Two to go, >>Chris Zizzo >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/937/5/_/494531/_/953255171/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7727	From: Scott Brown	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: Phantom Products from Lionel?

Joe, my local shop received an unordered shipment of the "L" Santa Fe cabooses. Before they shipped them back, they asked me if I wanted to buy one. I took it out of the box, looked at the cheap plastic end rails that don't stand up straight, put it back in the box and told them to ship them back. What junk !! And for a premium price too !!! No engines have arrived. The barrel loader has been out for some time. Good Luck !! Scott Brown sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7728	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: B&O steam

Does anyone own a book which contains an all-time roster of B&O steam? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7729	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Assorted

The MTH Z4000 is an electronic transformer made by MTH, Mike's Train House, Lionel's biggest competitor. It looks something like a Lionel ZW, the way the handles are laid out. On the Korean espionage issue, it is MTH that is complaining that Lionel has taken plans belonging to them, not the other way around. The full story has yet to be revealed. It involved articulated locomotives only. As far as threshold voltage for light bulbs, I am lost. This is going to take some thought. I'll work it out. It seems to me that if the bulb only lights when the resistance rises to a given level, that level could be referred to as a threshold or trigger level. Let's bring this thread to a close, though, as it has little to do with S-Trains. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7730	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: lionel VS. Mth

Unless you use the model itself as a pattern to make a copy there is no violation. Larry: > From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7731	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Hiawatha

When did the original Hiawatha go into service? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7732	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Assorted

All MTH has to do is file a complaint with the Customs people and the LyingL knock offs will not even get into this country. Larry busy-boy wrote: > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > The MTH Z4000 is an electronic transformer made by MTH, Mike's Train House, > Lionel's biggest competitor. It looks something like a Lionel ZW, the way > the handles are laid out. > > On the Korean espionage issue, it is MTH that is complaining that Lionel has > taken plans belonging to them, not the other way around. The full story has > yet to be revealed. It involved articulated locomotives only. > > As far as threshold voltage for light bulbs, I am lost. This is going to > take some thought. I'll work it out. It seems to me that if the bulb only > lights when the resistance rises to a given level, that level could be > referred to as a threshold or trigger level. Let's bring this thread to a > close, though, as it has little to do with S-Trains. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/953305105/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7733	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewinding

I have several Flyer locos that have been "well used" and are in need of some serious repair work. The windings on the motor fields and armatures on some have, obviously, gotten pretty hot and are black with some noticeable bare spots. I would like to rewind them myself but I have not been able to find much information on the subject. Does anyone out there know of a good source for info. regarding such stuff? I wonder if rewinding with slightly smaller diameter (than factory) coated wire and adding more wraps would work or, would slightly larger wire with fewer wraps be better, worse or, whatever? What would offer optimum performance? Also what is the purpose of dipping (or is it necessary) armature and field winding if insulated wire is used? As you can see, I could use some help. Any information anyone might offer would be sincerely appreciated and "Thank You" in advance. Joe Messinger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7734	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. motor rewinding

Joe, I can't answer the wire size change questions, but I can address the other ones. Modern winding wire can have many different insulation coatings. I use some that was designed for aerospace use, and has a very high temperature rating--so high, it is rated "unsolderable"--which only means you can't just dip it in solder to make connections, but have to remove the insulation first. While it's more expensive (except for the stuff that was given to me out of some company's scrap barrel--wow, wish that would happen again!) I figure it gives me a little added insurance for my amateur armature jobs (he, he!). The "dipping" or addition of a sealant on the armatures is insurance against the windings moving around when in magnetic fields--more insurance. Hope that helps! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7735	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: T&P 375

I don't have the answer to this question, but have a similar question. Does the air chime whistle control also control the horn in the Sante Fe PB #364? Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7736	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Tender needed

Hi All, Looking for just the tender for 21085, (cnw or cmstp&p) It have the 2 prong plug. If not I will accept any tender with that plug. Look around, Thanks, George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7737	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Ford Panel Truck

Keith Thomson In Seattle sent me a note recently informing me of a '56 Ford panel truck (van) scheduled for release. I saw one last week. It is undersize for S scale. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7738	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375

In a message dated 3/17/00 1:56:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, anormal1@... writes: << Does anyone know if the T&P 375 came with a air whistle and does the air chime the control for it. Also the 405 Silver Streak >> Yes, on both counts. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7739	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375

In a message dated 3/17/00 11:05:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, aag_rlg@... writes: << Does the air chime whistle control also control the horn in the Sante Fe PB #364? >> Yes. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7740	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: dim bulb -- flyer motors

Ron: while we've got you going here, can you explain why a Flyer motor sparks at the brushes? Also two other connected sub- questions: why does a Flyer motor spark more at one brush than the other, and why does the side with more saarking change when the motor direction changes? Finally, why do Flyer motors spark more than Lionel motors? If you can take the time to answer this I would really appreciate it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7741	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Hand laying track

I need to have some switches (turnouts) and crossings for the layout I am planning in configurations not currently available. Does anyone have a suggestion as to a currently available book or books I could buy on making my own switches and hand laying track that would be compatible with AF and Gargraves flex track? As I only read S-Gaugian and CTT, I don't know where to start looking. I don't want to buy eight other model railroad mags and search for this info in the classifieds and maybe not find any info. Also, what are sources of materials? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7742	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] T&P 375

My 375 dummy contained the air chime and it works off the regular cintri=oller, the one that looks like an old time car radio oscillator. anormal1@... wrote: > > From: anormal1@... > > HI , > Does anyone know if the T&P 375 came with a air whistle and does the > air chime the control for it. Also the 405 Silver Streak > Thanks In advance > Mike S. Anormal1@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/953276168/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7743	From: Train Collectors Association	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] dim bulb - additional question

The answer is yes. Heat = watts (current squared times resistance) dissipated. Approximately 98% of the energy consumed by a light bulb, toy train or household, is dissipated as heat. It is manifested by the glowing filament. Cheers, Ron Morris At 08:19 AM 3/17/2000 -0500, you wrote: >From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> > >Hey Ron, > <SNIP> > >I guess my question boils down to this: is the heat output of a tungsten >bulb proportional to the current flow through it? > >Thanks! >Bill >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7744	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 566

In a message dated 3/17/00 2:14:04 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > I've heard a rumor that some of Lionel's blue prints and dies were "Borrowed" > from the Korean manufacturer by people who might have been connected with Mth. > Has anyone else heard about this? Will this affect Mth's output of his Coal > loader or is Boy did you ever get that one backwards..... Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho RMHR, TCA, NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7745	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lnl/AF delivery

In a message dated 3/17/00 4:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I was wondering if anyone had taken delivery on the new Lionel AF engine, caboose and tankcar. I ordered one of each from my local store but nothing has come in to date. I did get the barrel loader with the lamp and it runs nice. >> The cabeese just arrived in the past couple of weeks. Tankcars are due next, followed by the engines in April. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7746	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sticky link couplers

I added a note to the following; >jarcho@... wrote: > I find that spraying the dreaded WD-40 into the coupler joint and then > flipping it up and down a few hundred times usually makes it work. No > heat necessary. Tom The oil is ok to lossen up the joint. However the oil must be removed after- wards. I use the dreaded flammable gasoline, outside, away from sparks and flames. If the oil isn't removed it will eventualy get gummed up with dust. Is ther a non-flammable substitute for gas, that is harmless and will not leave residue of any sort ??? I forgot to mention, I use a air gun to blow out the remaing residue and solvents. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7747	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: Reading P7sb picture on my website.

S Gaugers, On my explorations on Internet I found a picture of a Reading P7sb Atlantic running under steam near Leesport, PA. The date is unknown, but from the picture and what I know of that area I suspect that the train is running westbound (heading toward Pottsville) between Temple and Leesport. The P7sb was the inspiration for the A.C. Gilbert Atlantics. The number of the pictured locomotive is 350. There were three other P7sbs in the Reading motive power roster: 351, 352, and 353. It was sort of like Gilbert choosing to model the Pennsylvana K5s. There were only two of these noble Pacifics running under the PRR flag. I don't know the numbers assigned to the K5s, but I do know that only one was outfitted with Walschaert's valve gear, the one built by Baldwin. The second was built at the Altoona shops of the PRR, if I remember correctly. Unlike the Baldwin it sported Caprotti valve gear, which, to the best of my knowledge, has not appeared on any S gauge offerings. Anyone who would like to take a look at the P7sb is invited to check my Tom's Meanders homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall.3703 While you are there you might want to take a look at some of my railroad links. Follow a path from the transportation page link on te homepage and the link to the railroad page from there. The early Gilbert Atlantics, before the single-cast boiler shell, pilot, and stream chest, were excellent models that were very faithful to the P7sb prototype, as this picture illustrates. Even after the single shell boilers appeared, Reading buffs would tell you that they were still good representations of the original. W. Thomas Boussum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7748	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/17/2000
Subject: New AF CABOOSE

Just arrived on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=286423092

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7749	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Correction.

Hi Bill, Sorry about that. Ham hocks for fingers and all that. The "." between "Hall:" and "3703" should have been a "/". The correct address in full should be: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall/3703 Check it out. It sort of looks like an A.C. Gilbert version running with a set of three clerestory roof coaches. Although it does have something that I don't think Gilbert produced: a clerestory roof baggage coach. She also has an express refrigerator car, a combination that I run very often with my passenger trains. Thanks for the note. I wiil send a copy to the list. Tom Boussum Bill Porter wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The link doesn't work for me. Can you check it again? > > Thanks, > Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: W. Thomas Boussum <euler@...> > To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> > Date: Friday, March 17, 2000 10:02 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Reading P7sb picture on my website. > > >From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <euler@...> > > > >S Gaugers, > > On my explorations on Internet I found a picture of a Reading > >P7sb Atlantic running under steam near Leesport, PA. The date is > >unknown, but from the picture and what I know of that area I suspect > >that the train is running westbound (heading toward Pottsville) between > >Temple and Leesport. The P7sb was the inspiration for the A.C. Gilbert > >Atlantics. > > The number of the pictured locomotive is 350. There were three > >other P7sbs in the Reading motive power roster: 351, 352, and 353. It > >was sort of like Gilbert choosing to model the Pennsylvana K5s. There > >were only two of these noble Pacifics running under the PRR flag. I > >don't know the numbers assigned to the K5s, but I do know that only one > >was outfitted with Walschaert's valve gear, the one built by Baldwin. > >The second was built at the Altoona shops of the PRR, if I remember > >correctly. Unlike the Baldwin it sported Caprotti valve gear, which, to > >the best of my knowledge, has not appeared on any S gauge offerings. > > Anyone who would like to take a look at the P7sb is invited to > >check my Tom's Meanders homepage at: > > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hall.3703 > >While you are there you might want to take a look at some of my railroad > >links. Follow a path from the transportation page link on te homepage > >and the link to the railroad page from there. > > The early Gilbert Atlantics, before the single-cast boiler > >shell, pilot, and stream chest, were excellent models that were very > >faithful to the P7sb prototype, as this picture illustrates. Even after > >the single shell boilers appeared, Reading buffs would tell you that > >they were still good representations of the original. > > W. Thomas Boussum > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > >Apply NOW! > >http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/953348559/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7750	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Re: MTH, Lionel & intellectual property

Regarding using a percentage as a guide to if a company is stealing designs is dangerous. It does not work that way. Many years ago an arranger who worked for my company producing commercials went out on his own taking a few clients with him. He told them he could use a few bars of the theme from "Rocky" and it would not be a problem. He had a numerical limit (bars) he had heard about. As I was recording this I said (politely) that if it sounded like Rocky there is a problem waiting to happen. Sure enough when the commercial aired in Los Angeles the copyright owner heard it and ther were major repercussions. (His prior work had not been heard in major markets.) As far a Lionel's claims to old American Flyer much of that has long expired. They appear to me to be in the process of reclaiming the Gilbert name, artwork and even making us belive that they own the numbering system. In my current business there is a company trying to extend its claims after design patent expiration by claiming "trade dress". Unfortunately, it usually comes down to time, intimidation and lawyers. From what I heard from someone involved in the MTH Lionel case a few years ago, Mike had a better deal on lawyers and settled when that ceased to be the case. K-Line refused to furnish their business records to the case, basically telling them that they would have to pursue them in North Carolina which was too expensive. In short, copyrights, patents, and trademarks are not as clear or mathematical as folklore would imply. --- Nick Colleran BTW - The more we acknowledge that Lionel owns something, the better their claims become which is not in our best interest IMHO. >Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:40:02 -0600 > From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> >Subject: Re: lionel VS. Mth > >Wayne Grinnell wrote: ........................ >Likey, MTH will be "Reverse Engineering" the old American Flyer Loader, >and drawing plans and designing tooling from that. "Reverse >Engineering" >appears to be an acceptable business practice in this era. I have heard >that as long as there is a 10% (or 17% from another source) difference >between the original and copy, it can be considered "different" and not >a trademark or patent violation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7751	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Santa Fe Decals...

Greetings, I have almost finished my auto carrier, converting a lionel trilevel to a S gauge bilevel. Just a matter of filling in holes and painting. soon I will need decals, who makes S gauge Santa Fe decal sheets? Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7752	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7753	From: The Reis's	Date: 3/18/2000
Subject: 1993 Lionel Flyer Christmax Box Car for sale

I found I have a 93 Christmas Boxcar I don't Need. Lionel # 6-48319. It is valued at $50 in the book I have. So the first to offer $50 plus $5 for postage will get it shipped to them and they can enjoy it from here on. It is new in the original box which is also like new. eric reis kenmore, wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7754	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Celebrities

How about Mandy Patimkin (think that's his name) on Chicago Hope (or something like that) - he had a large Lionel layout on one or two of the programs, and he operated it so I guess he must be, unfortunately, a Lionel person. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7755	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: (Crosspost) chat has moved! (Again)

Chatting just got easier. We how have our own Yahoo club called S Trains. This gives us a Chat room, and space for club questions and photos. I suspect that the two lists will continue to be our focus, but the Yahoo Club chat room is fun and convient. If you come Sunday Night (8pmEST) don't bother loading the audio option, it does not work very good for more than 2 or 3 chatters. The club is located at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Sign up It's great fun. I promise you will LOL (Laugh out loud). Let me know if you have questions or problems. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7756	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Thank you

My thanks to all who have responded to my queries about Hiawatha, B&O steam, and so on. The information supplied has enabled me to fill in the background to the design and production of Canadian Pacific's "Jubilee" 4-4-4s. Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7757	From: clifma19@idt.net	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: diagram

I need a parts list/ exploded diagram for an American Flyer Royal Blue engine.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7758	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Flat Cars

Could anyone tell me if AF or SHS make a flat car with 12" of decking on it and if so what number would it be. I am working on a project and would appreciate the help. Thanks. Don Bitting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7759	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 567

> Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:19:54 -0500 You are confusing current with power. The heat generated in a lamp is its power, witc is voltage times current. If two lamps draw both draw 200 mA but one operates at 20 V and the other at 16 V, the lamp operating at 20 V is using more more power (20 X 0.2 vs 16 X 0.2) and will be hotter. If both lamps are ratedc at the same wattage, they will put out the same heat, but the 20 V lamp will be drawing less current. Brightnes is, unfortunately, more complicated than just power, voltage or current. There is also a trade off with average life which is dependent on the maximum temperature that the filament reaches. It is quite possible to have two lamps rated at the same voltage and current and hence the same power, but with different brightnesses, The brighter of the two will have the shorter rated life. Vic Bereskin > From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> > Subject: Re: dim bulb - additional question > > Hey Ron, > > Based on the calculations you gave, plus your experience, is the following > statement correct? > > We have two hypothetical bulbs. One is rated at 16v, 200ma. The other is > 20v, 200ma. > > The 20v bulb will always run cooler than the 16v bulb, with the voltage on > both set anywhere from 14 to 18v. > > It seems to me that since both bulbs are rated at 200 ma at their rated > voltage, that there will always be less current flow in the 20v bulb than in > the 16v bulb, thus it will generate less heat. > > I understand that the 20v bulb will also throw less light, but that's not an > issue for me. > > I guess my question boils down to this: is the heat output of a tungsten > bulb proportional to the current flow through it? > > Thanks! > Bill > Ted Larson >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7760	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7761	From: William H Trefts	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat

Hello! Well, I think I finally figured out how to get to the S-Trains Yahoo chat, but it was about 10:30 eastern time and no one responded, I think. So I did what I usually do. Talked to myself! :~)) I don't get many opportunities to get on-line on Sunday evenings, but hope to have an opportunity again in the future. If anyone saw me, and couldn't respond, let me know through email. All I saw was my comments. I'll be under the name of DaDaw56. Thanks, Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7762	From: dlich,	Date: 3/19/2000
Subject: GP-370

CAN ANYONE HELP? IS THERE A WAY TO CONVERT A 370 TO KNUCKLE COUPLERS? THANKS DENNIS

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7763	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: sparking

AF motors and sparking - - at least my best guess/assessment. * why spark - - local breaks in connection between the brush with the commutator, spinning comm and brush make and loose connection at different points over the face of the brush, it's a less than perfect interface, but it has enough over all continuity for operation to prevail. * why alternate sparking brushes in opposite directions - - the pitch of brushes in brush tubes and resultant interface or connection depends on which direction the comm is spinning. The interface of a brush with the comm is determined by brush wear (bevel and smoothness of face) caused mostly by which direction the motor is most often run in, commutator wear, dirt/oil, and the direction the motor is spinning at the time you observe it. * why spark more than Lionel - - Lionel has closer tolerances, better materials, broader surfaces? ACG AF, while fun as heck, is generally less robustly built than Lionel, at least in terms of post war products. I'ts sort of the difference between the grace and style of a dancer, versus the brute strength and frame of a jack hammer operator. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7764	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: none

I've a problem with my email. Need to test. Sorry to bother you all. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7765	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP7 coupler conversion.

In a message dated 3/20/00 4:17:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << CAN ANYONE HELP? IS THERE A WAY TO CONVERT A 370 TO KNUCKLE COUPLERS? THANKS >> Yep....we sell a kit to do just that. However, unless you have access to a mini-spotwelder, or want to attempt some miniature drilling and riveting, your best bet is to send us your two GP7 sideframe assemblies and let us do that part of the conversion. The changes (not permanent) to the endrail/step assemblies on your engine can be done by you, with our parts. Rather than post the entire description here, I'll email it directly to you, Dennis. If anyone else would like a copy, email me directly for same. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7766	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP-370

Yes, provided you can get parts. You need new die cast ends and either couplers that mount differently or new truck frames that mount knuckles. Try Doug Peck or another parts supplier. "dlich," wrote: > > From: "dlich," <dlich@...> > > CAN ANYONE HELP? IS THERE A WAY TO CONVERT A 370 TO KNUCKLE COUPLERS? THANKS > DENNIS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/953536514/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7767	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Large barrel comm engines

Which ACG steam engines were made with the large barrel (instead of earlier flat) commutator motor? So far I'm aware of the 21115 and the 21139, but I was wondering if the 21130 Hudson or the 21140 Northern, for examples, were also made with this motor. Which engines were made with either a small b-comm or the large, versus only made with the large one? Thanks again for you help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7768	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Re: NASG on-line?

Ted makes several good points. 1. A website already exists at http://NASG.org Articles or advertizing could be posted there. The website could be published in public model RR magazines. Perhaps once a year a spot could be put in a major (Time, Newsweek) magazine. 2. I still think short articles about your own S scale layout or scale detail with 3 or 4 photos won't cost you much time as I have submitted Dave Heine's Sn3 to the Dispatch as a "Meet an S gauger". As Jeff pointed out we should learn more about S gaugers before they take that last train ride. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn mhrreast@... wrote: > Anyway, getting back to NASG, it would be > ideal if they could put some of the recent published > articles on line, to prime the pump. And I expect > most or all of the clubs, and many individuals, > would be happy to send links to NASG > as they post articles. It would definately take > some effort to manage it all though, and > that part would not be fun! Two major points I've concluded from recent discussions with the NASG (John Foley and Glenn Ritter). The NASG is much more open to suggestions if they are accompanied by a good summary statement of how it will be beneficial to the NASG's purposes, and if it is accompanied by information on who is willing to do it. There is also a legitimate concern about the member benefit side of the issue; so that the paying members get a benefit that others do not get. I've heard of structuring e-zines so that non-members do not have access to the information for several months. In the case of putting the Dispatch on line, I would think that putting the new products pages on line would be a valuable service to members and manufacturers, and would help promote the scale, and would be a "bite-size" effort, therefore possibly feasible to accomplish. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division 2000 - the last year of the second 1000 years! 2000 - the last year of the 20th Century! http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/mill/index.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7769	From: Terry Harrison	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Fw: NASG online?

----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Harrison <terryharr@...> To: <(S-Trains)@onelist.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:39 AM Subject: RE: NASG online? Ted Larson writes: < The NASG is much more open to suggestions if they are accompanied by a good summary statement of how it will be beneficial to the NASG's purposes,.....> Last year I sent in an idea of making mailing labels with the NASG logo on them to Bill Moore. Everyone mails letters. He thought it was a good idea. It will show anyone who you mail to that you are a NASG supporter and you are proud to be S. Mail gets around the country and world. It could spark at least a question as to who is the NASG. Know where the idea went? NOWHERE!! It was never brought up to the board. I am not blaming Bill as he says that the board was always busy with other things, but come on. We looking to buy GM we can't bring up a promotional idea? I don't think so. So today I use NMRA labels and I am not even a NMRA member, I use them to show I am a model train supporter. Anyone have more ideas for the NASG? Terry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7770	From: busy-boy	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Flyer's new caboose

Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=286423092 Offered at $49. Ran for 6 days. Not one bid! CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7771	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer's new caboose

CZ, I though I'll let you know what happen to the that ebay item. First I listed it in the wrong category (with those other guys) and when I realized it, 3 days had gone bye. When I changed it, it did not go into the new listing and a lot of you guys didn't know it was on. Yesterday my supplier informed me that the item was sold out and he cannot fill my other orders that I had with him, so since there were no bidders, I ended the auction early. I'm keeping this one for myself. A few guys wrote to let me know that they was waiting for the last day to bid. If you know of anyone that still have these items let me know. Thanks, George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7772	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: problems in yahoo club and horse trading

I tried to get in the chat on Sunday, but I was not listed as a chatter. Then couldn't get back in. I also am never listed as being online. What am I doing wrong? Also, I have a brass scale tender chassis that I would love to trade for a flyer reverse unit from one of you scale guys. It was under a Hudson tender body when I got it. Lastly, I have a dozen Gilbert cast tanker frames. Anyone want to trade anything before I order the rivets to mount flyer trucks on them? Jacques P.S. Check out the model cars section at Toys R Us. I found two Ertl (Racing Champion) woodie kits (one screw to put together, big deal!) They're 1/64 and look great!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7773	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewinding

Joe Messinger: I've been meaning to reply to your posting about rewinding A.F. motors, but have been busy making trains and my email has been down. I have some comments about the situation you described. 1. Rewinding a motor is the last desparate step to take in repairing it. Very few Flyer motors, except for the Baldwin switcher's, need to be rewound. 2. You can't usually tell if a motor needs rewinding by looking at it. Many Flyer motor windings that appear to show signs of burning actually work quite well. 4. Motors need to be rewound for two reasons: because excess heat has damaged the insulation so that electricity passes from winding to winding without going thru them all, or else because the winding has been cut in a place that is not near the end of the coil. 5. Determining if a motor needs to be rewound requires some special equipment - an AC ammeter and a 1 volt AC power source. I don't know how to do it. 6. You can get some indication of the situation sometimes using a VOM.No continuity between field coil terminals or commutator poles means a broken winding. Often the break can be located visually or by unwinding a turn or two of the broken coil. If the break is near the end, the loss of a few windings will not have much effect. There are three possible pairings of the three commutator plates. If a resistance reading between any two plates is different than between the other two possible pairs of plates, it is an indication that one coil of the armature is burnt somewhat, but not proof. You can also compare the resistance of the armature or field in question with one you know is good. For instance, I have measured the resistance of a PA diesel pulmor field at about 2 ohms, the same armature at 1.6 ohms between commutator plates. A pre-pulmor steam armature should measure about 1.3 ohms, its field at 1.1 ohms, etc. This is not a totally reliable method though. Motors are rickier than that. 7. The best way to determine if a motor needs rewinding is to fix every other possible thing wrong with it. The motor will thenprobably run. That's how I usually do it. These things will have to be repaired anyway, even if the motor is rewound, right? These include: cleaning out old lubricants, expecially from the gears; adding new lubricants; cleaning the commutator plates, sanding out any grooves in same; replacing excessively worn brushes; replacing brush springs; finding and fixing any reverse unit or wiring problems. In steam locos, the proper washers must be in place to position the armature correctly vs. the gear, or much additional friction is created in one direction. In PA and GP-7 diesels, the armature is kept in position by little square black hard cardboard thrust plates in the motor chassis at each end of the armature. If these are worn, the armature can slide too far forwards or backwards, causing the same extra friction. In diesels, the bearing straps must be completely screwed down tight or the motor will lose performance. The threads in the strap screw holes must not be stripped though. If this occurs, replace the tiny self-tapping screws with short 2-56 machine screws or longer screws as used on the smoke unit cover plates. The floating field of the diesel motor must be securely anchored by the 2 centering screws in the yoke. 8. If a Flyer motor smokes and sparks huge sparks and runs very slowly, it may only be that there is some oil on the commutator. This can be wiped or sanded off. 9. If all these annoying details are taken care of and the motor still runs poorly in one or both directions or not at all, THEN you might be looking at a rewinding job. 10. Rewinding by hand is sloppy and results in bulkier windings. Plus, you have to locate and buy the proper wire sizes. You have to put the same number of windings of the same size wire as was on there previously, so you need a wire guage and a VOM too. 11. Therefore, there are real advantages to having the work done by a professional. I would recommend Bob Hannon at Hannon@.... He will put the proper windings on a coil with a winding machine that produces tighter windings. Original Flyer motors were wound on machines, not by hand. Check with him for prices. 12. Flyer motors burn out for a reason. it is usually important to figure out why a motor burned out originally. Usually, it's because the motor had to work too hard. For example, the drive wheels in a steam loco could be out of quarter, jamming every time around. Or the valve gear could be damaged, providing extra resistance against the motor. In a DC loco, the weakening of the permanent magnet in the field may cause tha armature to run hott enough to become burned out. In diesels and handcars, the most common cause of motor burnout is that the axle holes have become worn, the gears don't mesh properly any more. In such a case the chassis must be rebushed or replaced. The point is this: if you don't figure out and correct the cause of the burnout, the new armature or field will burn out for the same reason the old one did! Incidentally, the motor in the Baldwin switcher does often burn out because the motor is so poorly designed. There are simply not enough windings on it and it gets too hot. This is the only Flyer motor like that though. I am sure that other list members will have some helpful comments too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7774	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/21/2000
Subject: AF motor colors

Some of my motors are a copper color, a couple are blue. Are they supposed to be blue? Just a different color wire coating? What does a burnt motor look like?...burnt I guess...? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7775	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Railroads

Know that we have a lot of experts out there!! Does anyone know what "formal name" is for a person who is an expert on the transport of railroad goods and passengers? Is there a name for that type of person (also a consultant for same). Tx in advance - send me info off line if you want. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7776	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: 360 and 470 armatures

Are 360 and 470 PA unit armatures interchangeable? I noticed ACG gave them different P/N's but I was wondering whether they are actually any different from each other? Different dimensions, wire gauge, number of windings, materials, etc.? Or exactly the same, just provided different P/N's over time? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7777	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: 360 and 470 armatures

The armatures from these two motors are not the same at all. The pul-mor motor is stronger. It has more plates in the armature and field. You can notice that the field from a 470 will not fit in a 360 chassis unless you extend the channels in the chassis. The armature plate area is equally longer in the 470 , though the overall length of the two armatures is the same. I believe there are more windings on the pul-mor armature (and field). I think this change in the motors was done by Gilbert in connection with changing from an A-B configuration to an A-B-A . More power was needed to pull the extra dummy unit. But that's just a guess. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7778	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Exchange

I have one of AM's high rail pacific sets for the B&O (#27). Anyone have a set of high rail ATSF that they might like to trade for the B&O? The B&O has been test run a few times, but not too much. Comes with track, etc. Pls discuss off line. Tx. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7779	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

Since the rims of steam drivers are insulated from the frame has anyone tried to do a wiper setup to get all wheel pickup? John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7780	From: Steve Jones	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: We've gone International!

This afternoon when I checked my e-mail I found that someone from Bulgaria found the Badgerland S Gaugers Web page and sent the following message to Norm Rutkowski and me, the site Webmasters. Has anyone had experience with this supplier? Regards, Steve Jones -------------------------------- If you interesting,chech our web page: http://www.toytrains.search.bg Thank you! R. Stillmank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7781	From: Don Abrams	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Barrel Commutators

Dave, I've repaired 21139's, and 21130's -- they have the barrel commutator motors. You can add the 21145 0-8-0 to your list too. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7782	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: Can you make these on the ALPS printer in "S" 3/16" 1/64?

Thanks. I will be ordering soon. I'll pass this information along to the S-Trains list. --- Nick Colleran ............................ >Hi Nick, >Yes, most of our decal sets can be re-printed in S scale. These are >printed on our Alps printer on our regular decal stock. Because these >are custom printed, and the Alps printer it not very fast, these decals >are more expensive. A minimum order of 3 sets is required for any set >and most O and S scale decals printed this way are $11.00 per set. >If you are interested in ordering any of these sets, just order either >the HO or O scale catalog number, and request that it be printed in S >scale. These decals are collectively called Champ Re-Prints. We accept >Visa or Mastercard, and there is a 2-4 week delivery time. >Thank you for your inquiry, >Sincerely, >Kim >-- >Champion Decal Company >PO Box 1178, Minot, ND 58702 >701-852-4938 * fax 701-852-9429 >www.minot.com/~champ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7783	From: Don Thompson	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: Wooden reefer

Our webmaster Jon Marinello has posted a few photos of test shots of the 40' wooden "Billboard" reefers on our web page: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html P.S. That is a greatly modfied Amity Star icing plaform in the rear. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and 2nd batch of 10" & 15" straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7784	From: Dale Smith	Date: 3/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. motor rewinding

jarcho@... wrote: > > > 4. Motors need to be rewound for two reasons: because excess heat has > damaged the insulation so that electricity passes from winding to winding > without going thru them all, or else because the winding has been cut in a > place that is not near the end of the coil. > Tom, What would you suggest where the field winding has broken off at the inside of the winding, leaving no wire exposed to connect to. Is there a good way to get the wire out far enough to expose it, and if so, would the 3/4 inch or so shortening have any effect? I have a Silver Bullet 356 that has this problem. Dale Smith

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7785	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

John, In a back issue of "TOY TRAINS" they once described how to improve the pick up of AF steam locos. First on one side only of the drive wheels, drill and tap a hole in each drive wheel for a 2-56 brass machine screw or bolt. Screw in the bolt, cut off flush with the wheel rim, file to remove any burrs. The locomotive drive wheels then become one side of the pick up. On the tender, position both sets of mental on the same side, opposite of the drive wheels, they will be the other side of the pick up. Rewire, and according to the article you will have better pick up. This method seems to be the easiest to try. I have not used this method, but if anyone out there has, how about some feedback. Good luck, Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7786	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: PA Brass Wheels

In 1952 my father purchased a number of display AF engines from a department store after Xmas. One Alco diesel, which I believe was a chrome single motor PA, had brass wheels. This made for very quiet running especially later when he ran it on nickel silver flex track. Has anyone ever come across an ACG diesel with brass wheels? Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7787	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 572

I bought a large quantity of knuckle coupler sintered iron trucks from Mr. Stillmank at York TCA several years ago (actually in a tent at the "Billy Bud" pre-show meet). Last year his former wife was selling parts at York. The quality is good. I do not know how he would be for mail order or if he would sell low quantities. Good product, good price, good person to talk about trains.--- Nick Colleran BTW - Unless you have lots of time, avoid the topic of ex-wife and Bulgarian in-laws! ________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:54:02 -0600 > From: "Steve Jones" <sejones@...> >Subject: We've gone International! > >This afternoon when I checked my e-mail I found that someone from Bulgaria >found the Badgerland S Gaugers Web page and sent the following message to >Norm Rutkowski and me, the site Webmasters. Has anyone had experience with >this supplier? > >Regards, >Steve Jones > >-------------------------------- >If you interesting,chech our web page: > >http://www.toytrains.search.bg > >Thank you! > >R. Stillmank > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7788	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: 360/470

Thanks, Tom. I should have asked before I purchased a 360 in hopes of converting my 473 to power for true double-heading with my 470. I overhauled the 360 with LTI chassis, and even still it's no match, and therefore not a worthy partner, for my 470. I will mic the field widths and compare, but this is likely the difference and not one I can overcome. Back to the drawing board. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7789	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF motor colors

In a message dated 3/22/00 2:49:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, comic@... writes: << Some of my motors are a copper color, a couple are blue. Are they supposed to be blue? >> I t appears that Gilbert did occasionally use copper wire with a laquer with a blue-tint. For example, all of the 295's that I have had the occasion to observe have motors with bluish windings. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7790	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PA Brass Wheels

Yes, I bought a junker 360 Chrome last year on eBay that had brass wheels. This engine was also originally wire with cloth covered wire and may have been one of the earliest of the AF Alcos...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7791	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: A.F. motor rewindingmotor rewinding

Dale: you can usually save a steam loco field with a broken off inner lead.. It depends how much of the broken end you can get to. Reach inside to the broken off end and scrape away the enamel insulation from the broken wire end with an xacto knife. If possible, get the tips of a curved pair of surgical forceps in there and form a tiny hook in the wire end. Make a similar hook in the end of the wire you will connect to it. If space permits, hook them together and then squash them together with the forceps. if not, you will just have to hold the wire in place during soldering. You will find you can slip a couple of thicknesses of vinyl tape under the windings from the side -- the windings are slightly raised above the field core. The tape will serve as insulation between the solder joint you are about to make, and the field core. Solder the two wires together with a blob of solder. This may take a couple of tries and a little drop of flux paste may help. Try to anchor the new wire in the fiber plate on the field end by using an existing hole or drilling a new one. This is to act as a strain relief so the new joint, which isn't that strong, won't get tugged apart. Tape two or three turns thru the hole. I have performed this operation many times. If you are careful, do good work, and anchor the new wire well, you will end up with a good running loco. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7792	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

John, Yes, the article said to drill thru the wheel rim and white plastic insulator(the famous AF white walls) into the wheel core. The wheels are isolated from the frame by the white plastic insulators. By making the conversion to the drive wheels on one side only, will make your frame electrically live, similar to Marx and Lionel. You will have the converted drive wheels as one part of the pickup and the tender wheels, metal wheels now on the same side of tender oppisite of the live wheels on the loco, will be the other side of the pickup.. After the 1946 AF steam locos were built, there was problems with the white plastic insiulator srinking, and the wheel rims became loose. AF cured this problem by drilling holes thru the rims, insulators and into the wheel core. Then forced wooden pegs into these holes, solving the loose wheel problem and still kept the drive wheels insulated for two rail operations. Remember I have not tried this conversion, have only read the article, but it sounds like it will improve operations. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7793	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

This idea will only work on 4 position reverse unit equipped engines, unless you're careful! That's because the two position units have a live chassis. On these, it would work, but you'll have to insulate the drawbar from the loco frame, or probably better, from the tender truck, as any contact of the drawbar to the trailing truck could provide problems. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7794	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

David, Are not the tender trucks all ready insulated from the draw bar and the metal tender floor by insulating bushing and washer? Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7795	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: All wheel pickup on A-F Steamers

David is correct. However, there are other locos besides the 5 digit ones that have a hot chassis. Locos with speakers in the tender such as the 316,326,336, usually have a hot chassis, although I believe they were not supposed to. What happens is that the speaker is screwed or clamped to the tender floor, but the outside of the speaker is hot, so the tender floor is hot. Since the drawbar is not insulated in these locos the drawbar conducts electricity to the loco chassis. Before messing around with all wheel pickup, try to figure out if the loco chassis is hot and which rail it is connected to. The reason I say that they were probably not supposed to have hot chassises is that some factory drawings show insulated bushings and washers as part of the speaker mounting assembly, but in practice they were not used very often. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7796	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

Tom, Not on the two-position drawbars. These make a direct connection with the truck (the drawbars that are seperatable). S' David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7797	From: Ted Larson	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: NMRA Site

This is VERY interesting............ http://www.ribbonrail.com/nmra/layoutso.html S layouts on the NMRA website ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7798	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers

David, Never owned a two position loco, I did not know, thanks for the information. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7799	From: James B. Miller	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: 1/64 trucks & farm equipment

FYI -- The other day while browsing another mail-list, I saw reference to another company that makes trucks and farm equipment - primarily in 3/16" scale. I don't recall seeing this manufacturer mentioned on our mail lists before - it certainly was not saved in my intrenet favorites list. Their primary line is farm equipment, but there are also some trucks. Some of their models are custom built (not cheap), but most are kits (still not real cheap). They say right at the start that the kits are for experienced modelers. The really great part is their extensive line of detail parts that can be used on existing 1/64 scale vehicles. Stuff like lights, horns, mud flaps, fender mirrors, cab spoilers, trailer refrigerator units, wheels, etc. Unfortunately, the wheel centers seem to be the same multiple-hole wheels that are on 1/64 rigs currently on the market (I would love to see 2/4/5-hole disc wheels). I have not ordered anything yet, so I can not supply a product review. However, it looks like pretty nice stuff, and I plan to send for some soon. If you are interested, try http://www.cdmodels.com/index.html -- Jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7800	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Lotsa wheel pickup

- Greeting`S' - Thus far I have converted two Pennsy K-5 locos to driver pickup on the right-hand (engineer's side) drivers with the 2-56 screw idea. Works very well. The left-hand drivers are still under-utilized as are half the tender wheels. Thus far I have not put wipers (maybe in the form of brake shoes) for drive wheel pickup because the pickup from drivers on one side works so well. But I may try true all-wheel pickup one of these days. Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7801	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF trucks

<> We carry his repro trucks. They are indeed excellent.....stronger than originals, in fact. RS spends most of his time overseas, so he is near-impossible to contact. We carry most of his product line. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7802	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: All wheel contact

Whoa, before we all go drilling drivers, what's the problem in the first place? I mean why create one more thing to look for when buying an engine? I've not had any real problem with pick-up, and if/when I do, then checking the spread of tender wheels (~18.25 mm) and level of the rails, cleaning tender wheels & leaf springs, and cleaning the track restores great operation. Wahls clipper oil on the tracks does reduce sparking. The tweekiest of all engines seem to be those with 2-position reverse units but without spring pick-up shoes on the tender (e.g. 21088). With these I have on occasion flipped tender metal wheels. I run 99.9% of the time in a clockwise pattern around the layout. Having the front metal tender pickup wheels on the outside rail helps to avoid any break in connection during fast cornering. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7803	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Trackside Details have arrived.

Howdy Friends Like the subject says.... they are here. Backorders will be in the mail by Monday. For more info.... http://www.btsrr.com/btstsd01.htm Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7804	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Found two more

Hi Folks Surfing the net to find Non-S manufacturers for the project Ed Loizeaux and I are working on, I found two S manufactures I didn't know about. Maybe you folks do. The first one products S Scale Signs. The second one is planning S Scale Buildings. Mid-Michigan Scale Signs Http://www.midmichigan.com/ BHI http://www.discoverynet.com/~bhi/ Click on Model Railroading Products, Scroll to S Scale and click John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7805	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Neon window signs

Hi all, I just found out one of my fellow model T enthusiasts has a small company making neon window signs for the Model Railroad community. Since I've not heard about it before, I will assume you may not have either! He has a nice Website, so you can look for yourselves! www.brommers4quality.com Enjoy! S' David D. PS Usual disclaimer, I get nothing out of this, other than the feeling I may be helping another S'er out!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7806	From: Richard	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: chat with da Pres (Lionel)

Hey guys..heres a chance tovoice your disatisfaction withthe boss of L !! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/moretrainsthanyoucanimagine April 20th @ 8cst check the site out...maybe if enough S guys "commandeer" proceedings they might get the idea (just a little) cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7807	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: anothe two

Hi Folks Here's another two S Manufacturers you may not have seen before. First Blackstone Valley Railway . Some S bridge kits http://www.blackstonevalleyry.com/ Second The Car Works Sn3 Click new items and scroll to bottom of page http://www.thecarworks.com/index.html John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7808	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Fw: [NPTellTale] Ramblin Jack

This is just too good to NOT pass on. --------- Forwarded message ---------- To: NPTellTale@onelist.com Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:23:23 -0000 Subject: [NPTellTale] Ramblin Jack Message-ID: <8bgfbb+ovq2@egroups.com> From: "LEO HARKER" An (NP) train load of thanks for the enlightening post (2661) by Bill Kuebler regarding Jack Woolverton, Pat Norberg and others. Some of todays generation just doesn't appear to have any perception of what steam railroading was all about. Last night in our local hobby group the discussion drifted to the operation of steam locomotives. When the matter of making a hundred miles a day average was mentioned, a what!!! was heard. When it was mentioned that a water stop was required after 35 miles or so, there were a couple of sagging lower jaws. The discussion migrated to boiler washouts, oil arounds, friction bearings and routine roundhouse maintenance and they began to understand. Most perceptions revert to stories of the 100 mile an hour runs and very little else. These stories are a treasure to todays wannabe railroaders. Thanks again Bill. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7809	From: john foley	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: MORE

Hi Folks I found a couple of more S scale manufacturers I never saw before. Stainless Unlimited RTR Bridges in S http://www.stainlessunlimited.com/ SGS Decals http://www.sgsdecals.com/ John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7810	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/24/2000
Subject: Re: AF all wheel pickup

AF All wheel pickup: I waited to see if anyone who had actually done this would reply before I added my comments. I have made many modifications to Flyer equipment, but never felt the need to try this as I run DC and don't have to put up with those pesky reverse units. The conversion itself should not be a big problem as I envision it, at least on an Atlantic. Get a pair of S Helper bronze pickup wipers as used on their locomotives, and using them as a guide to locate the holes, drill and tap 2-56 holes in the bottom of the chassis on each side, midway between the drivers, spacing them inward so that they will touch the rims with a little tension. Cut a thin piece of insulation such as .020 Evergreen plastic sheet or maybe even an expired credit card to fit the bottom of the chassis to keep the wipers from touching it. Drill clearance holes in it for the mounting screws. Solder thin insulated wires to the pickups near the center but not so close to the hole to interfere with the mounting screws. Use nylon screws, flathead if you can find them, to mount the pickups. Route the wires toward the front of the locomotive, and then upward into the boiler. Use an epoxy cement to bond the wires to the plastic, and the plastic to the bottom of the chassis, so that they will not hang down. From here, the wiring will depend on the individual loco, but the new wires should end up connected to the same places that the tender trucks are. The disadvantages of this method are that the exposed parts are somewhat fragile, and you must be sure that everything will clear a switch. Don't even think about running the loco over a raised uncoupler! A larger locomotive still has only two tires per side, and should work the same way, but the wiper setup would have to be different. Hope this helps some, and contact me directly for more details if needed. Bill Frazier In a message dated 3/23/00 4:20:31 AM EST, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:25:26 EST From: rxman46321@... Subject: Re: All wheel Pickup on A-F Steamers Since the rims of steam drivers are insulated from the frame has anyone tried to do a wiper setup to get all wheel pickup? John Griffin >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7811	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: All wheel pickup

My question was prompted after I finally got my reverse loop installed for DCC. My SHS and A-M diesels run perfectly but the A-F steamers and so far analog AF diesels die when they hit the reverse section. I thought that by having both pickups hit the reverse section at the same time the problem would be solved? Knowing that group has all the answers I took the easy way out by profitting from your dead-ends rather than mine. My vision was similar to Bill Frasier's idea but thought you might be able to run the wires along the side of the frame to keep turnouts from being a source of trouble. Thanks for all the suggestions. It makes me feel good to see a question genereate so much response. Now off to the lab with my 303 to test out what I've learned. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7812	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Reserves!

I'd like to know where some people get their inspiration from to set such reserves etc! I sure could use some of it occasionally. Or am I missing some thing here? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=292440006 Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7813	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reserves!

Neil; I didn't realize I'm setting on a gold mine. I think I'm going to sell all my flyers and pay off the mortgage and run HO. Bob Wight Neil Trump wrote: > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > > I'd like to know where some people get their inspiration from to set such reserves etc! I sure could use some of it occasionally. > Or am I missing some thing here? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=292440006 > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/7/_/494531/_/954014722/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7814	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7815	From: Bob Ellis	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?

I'll be going to York but I only have about $150 to spend. I already have a northern and an atlantic, but nothing in between. Any thoughts on what particular postwar steamer would give me the most bang for my limited bucks? Thanks, Bob Ellis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7816	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?

With that kind of money you're got plenty for a good AF PRR K4 and might sneak into a decent Hudson. Either one fits in between your Atlantic and Northern, and both are well detailed, metal and usually good runners. The plastic Pacifics and the Metal New Haven Pacific are also OK if you want to stretch your dough a little further, but I personally think the PRR is a beauty and would cost hundreds if made today. Bob Ellis wrote: > > From: "Bob Ellis" <rbellis@...> > > I'll be going to York but I only have about $150 to spend. I already > have a northern and an atlantic, but nothing in between. Any thoughts > on what particular postwar steamer would give me the most bang for my > limited bucks? > > Thanks, > > Bob Ellis > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/954037776/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7817	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?

Bob The Hudson is a great runner, IMHO. Don't know how much you like to fix-n-repair, but I hear the "under the table" boxes have some great fixer-uppers in them. Any of the 4-6-2s with pull mor are good too, of course the ones with die-cast boilers have more heft. I've always been partial to the Ks for looks, and valve motion. Look out for worn bearings (see if the drive wheels wobble around a lot) and flat spots on the tires. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7818	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: comment to Jim Kindraka

Jim: Really appreciated your thoughts. I thought they were insightful and useful. It is a little unfortunate that if people do work hard in producing an S product, they can't be well paid monetarily for their efforts (in addition to the satisfaction for a job well done). If one decides to do any job, it should be done to the best of one's ability - but all the constraints in achieving the goal have to be taken into account - many of which the public are not aware. Getting that extra 0.1% that means perfection may be unreachable in a practical sense. And it shouldn't stop a great (although possibly not perfect) product from being issued. Rance Velapoldi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7819	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Best choices for inexpensive AF steamers?

In a message dated 3/25/00 9:30:06 PM, rbellis@... writes: << I'll be going to York but I only have about $150 to spend. I already have a northern and an atlantic, but nothing in between. >> As others have stated, the K-5 (312AC's) is the standout choice, given your given limits. A decent Hudson may be beyond $150, but keep a look out for a 322AC anyway. As an interesting alternative, a nice 350 Royal Blue Pacific might be had for about $150. RB RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7820	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Fw: [NPTellTale] Engineers

Here's another unusually good bit of insight into "the good ole (steam) days". Ted --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James M Fredrickson To: NPTellTale@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:36:59 -0800 Emanuel Maximillian "Ed" Foisie went to a steam engineering school conducted by the YMCA in Boston, then to the Panama Canal construction for a year before he came to Seattle and hired out for the NP as an engine wiper. He became a fireman on June 26, 1904, and engineer on June 26, 1909. Ed was without equal for making up time during my time as a mountain dispatcher. Before the Eagle Gorge line change Number 25 was scheduled 3 hours 28 minutes Yakima to East Auburn. A good engineer would do it in 3 hours 10 minutes when late, a poor engineer 3 hours 20 minutes but Ed was the only one who consistently broke the 3 hour barrier. His time was 2 hours 57 minutes. "Crying" Claude Shoemaker was the only other engineer I can remember equaling this time and he did it only once. The incredible segment was Eagle Gorge to Kanaskat. Ed would cover this little stretch in 12 minutes and all others used 15 minutes. I have a whole bunch of memories of riding with Ed and watching his runs. He told me once that Road Foreman H.H. Goodrow had scolded him for running too fast. His reply was "Little Jimmy expects me to run that fast and that's how fast I'm going to run." Another time all of the First Subdivision trains were detouring via the Buckley Line because of a big washout near Ravensdale. The first morning Number 1 came this way Ed was the engineer and I issued an order telling Number 1's extra to take siding at Buckley to meet Number 4's extra. (This was before 25 & 26) Ed later told me when they stopped to head in the section foreman came running up with his arms waving saying you can't use that siding, the track's not good enough. Ed's reply was "Little Jimmy told me to take siding here and that's what I'm going to do." He said they rocked back and forth but made it. When I came to work the next night the siding had been taken out of service. It was always fun riding with Ed on Number 5. When the stop was made at the Eagle Gorge Logging Company spur, the fireman would run over to the cookhouse and bring back a delicious apple pie for us to share. One winter when I was working at Stampede Ed sent word that he would be on Number 5 and would like for me to cut him a Christmas tree. With seven or eight feet of snow on the ground all the little trees were buried. Best I could do was cut the top off a taller tree sticking out of the snow. I was still struggling to plow my way up to the track when Number 5 arrived. Then it was a real effort pulling the tree through the little door in the side of the diesel engine. Ed was constantly chewing Black Jack gum and once after one of his fine runs I had the operator at Auburn Depot hoop up a pack with his train orders. You've probably heard me tell those stories many times before but it's always fun to reflect on the days we thought would never end. Jim Fredrickson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7821	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 575

In a message dated 3/26/00 2:21:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > From: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> > Subject: Reserves! > > I'd like to know where some people get their inspiration from to set such > reserves etc! I sure could use some of it occasionally. Neil, the inspiration comes from two sources. GREED and STUPIDITY, but not necessarily in that order. A guy had a Penn Salt on there that didn't meet reserve even at $778 today. That's 33% over "Book" for an Ex car but still not enough for that person...So, he/she still owns it and had to pay ebay listing fees on a $500 first bid.... Steve Blackburn....Boise, Idaho....RMHR etc. etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7822	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: best steamer for a buck fifty

I'd put them in the following order: 1) 293 - pulmor, smoke, choo-choo, great balance and operating qualities. Try it, you'll like it. Good one between Atlantic and Northern. 2) 312 SIT - - pretty good shape, can be quite fast (bushing chassis in the early days), lacks pulmor, but that smoke in neutral is a kick. Mine actually generated smoke rings when sitting still, always gets a comment/laugh. 3) 21085 - plastic bodied, pulmor, smoke, choo-choo, split chassis for easy maintenance, faster than predecessors, and not as brawny as its die-cast brothers in terms of pulling power, but close. You can get LN for <$150. Maybe even the all black driver one with the other logo than CNW, Chicago Milwaukee, and 3 other RR's something like that. Just for something less common. Hudson's are fun too, but I'd recommend a large motor version due to their size and mass. I'd go 326 or 21130, but they cost more than $150. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7823	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7824	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

S-Trains@onelist.com wrote: > From: S-Trains@onelist.com > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > > Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. > Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains > Club/Room name is 'S Trains' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/954117129/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7825	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Trains on TV

Tonite on A&E 's "Top Ten" Toys, AC Gilbert's Erector sets were named on the list (I Think) as #6 - a toy that provoked the creative ingenuity of children and provided hours of fun. Lionel Trains were named #4 and a history of that company was given along with a number of train action scenes. Just today I finally used flat black paint to "blackout" the Lionel name on my girder bridges. Since the agent in the paint muddied up the white somewhat, I' ll have to recoat the job. Sorry Joshua, no feelings here. Oh yes, The Yo-Yo was named #1 ?! JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7826	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trains on TV

Did you hear about the ship coming from China to the good old US of A with a load of Yo-Yos????? Ran in to a very bad storm and sank 46 times. Larry Ktrdd@... wrote: > From: Ktrdd@... > > Tonite on A&E 's "Top Ten" Toys, AC Gilbert's Erector sets were named on > the list (I Think) as #6 - a toy that provoked the creative ingenuity of > children and provided hours of fun. Lionel Trains were named #4 and a > history of that company was given along with a number of train action scenes. > Just today I finally used flat black paint to "blackout" the Lionel name on > my girder bridges. Since the agent in the paint muddied up the white > somewhat, I' ll have to recoat the job. Sorry Joshua, no feelings here. > Oh yes, The Yo-Yo was named #1 ?! > > JohnR > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/7/_/494531/_/954124830/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7827	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 3/26/2000
Subject: A & E's Top Ten Toy List

I saw that same show awhile back. And yeah, I know, Lionel was and still is, probably the 'Top' dog of toy trains, BUT....I think it should have been "TOY TRAINS" in general {Lionel, Flyer, Marx, etc.} that deserved the number four spot on the list!!! Just my little ol' opinion, but Lionel wasn't the only toy train under the Christmas tree! Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7828	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Hmmmm.

Let's see... SHS does an SW-9, Extended-Vision caboose and recently announces a Northern Refrigerator Car Co. wood reefer. Atlas O does an SW-9, then announces an Extended-Vision Caboose, and now a Northern Refrigerator Car Co. wood reefer. 'O' copying 'S', who'da thunk it? Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7829	From: Nerker, Robert	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Pull-mor wheels on AM Diesels

Has anyone applied pull more bands on AM diesels? If so, source? I only have one of these in my collection, but it has a problem pulling too many cars up a normal AF tressel grade. Bob Nerker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7830	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: oh yeah, the 350

The 350 Royal Blue is a beautiful engine. Very good to excellent examples, even with wire handrails, can be found for $150. I should have listed that one too, but at the time was thinking of the engines with the most "features" you might get in that price range. On the other hand, I sometimes just run the 350 by itself with passenger cars. Its elegance and simplicity are soothing. Can't get enough, Flyer stuff. Dave PS Sorry if more than one version/copy of my previous note ends up on the list. I kept getting "undeliverable" messages, but notices the first one made it somehow anyway. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7831	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Turntables

Does anyone know who makes a turntable for S that auto indexes and where I can purchase one? I'd like to get one that allows a single track to go to 4-6 track positions. I know I've seen one somewhere, just can't remember where. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7832	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Slow drying paint

I've used some silver paint that's supposed to duplicate the aluminum AF coach paint, but it seems to never get dry. One item that I painted last year still doesn't seem dry! Is there any way to get it to dry short of stripping and repainting with a different paint? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7833	From: Richard	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Hmmmm.

Rich Gajnak wrote: > > From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> > > Let's see... SHS does an SW-9, Extended-Vision caboose and recently > announces a Northern Refrigerator Car Co. wood reefer. > > Atlas O does an SW-9, then announces an Extended-Vision Caboose, > and now a Northern Refrigerator Car Co. wood reefer. > > 'O' copying 'S', who'da thunk it? > Anyone seen the "S" AEM7 that they copied?? :-))))) >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7834	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Baker's Chocolate

I have an excellent 24323 Baker's Chocolate tank car for sale. Before I place it on Ebay I thought I would offer to this group. It is not cheap, and your satisfaction is guaranteed. Contact me off the list if interested. Mike Leahy P.S. I will be going on spring break (Tuesday morning) & will return this weekend if you miss me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7835	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 6-wheelers

In a message dated 3/27/00 4:04:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << I'd put them in the following order: 1) 293 - pulmor, smoke, choo-choo, great balance and operating qualities. Try it, you'll like it. Good one between Atlantic and Northern. 2) 312 SIT - - pretty good shape, can be quite fast (bushing chassis in the early days), lacks pulmor, but that smoke in neutral is a kick. Mine actually generated smoke rings when sitting still, always gets a comment/laugh. 3) 21085 - plastic bodied, pulmor, smoke, choo-choo, split chassis for easy maintenance, faster than predecessors, and not as brawny as its die-cast brothers in terms of pulling power, but close. You can get LN for <$150. Maybe even the all black driver one with the other logo than CNW, Chicago Milwaukee, and 3 other RR's something like that. Just for something less common. Hudson's are fun too, but I'd recommend a large motor version due to their size and mass. I'd go 326 or 21130, but they cost more than $150. >> I hadn't given this inquiry a great deal of personal thought, but when I read David's reply (above), I have to agree 100% ! The 293 has always been my personal favorite in Gilbert engines. SIT engines, although usually slower due to the double motor, are unique in neutral! And the 21085 is a nice running, nice-appearing engine which should run at a good clip and includes PM. For Hudsons, the large-motor 326 should be the first choice, especially for an operating engine. Good choices, David !!!! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7836	From: Jim Grimes	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P (IMPORTANT)]]

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7837	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: SHS new switches

Hi all! Well, I finally stole some time and drooled through MY copy of the SHS 2000 catalog. WOW!!! I am surprised that no one has made mention of the future switches, especially the controllers which look suspiciously like something else we all know and like! Hmmmmm..... This may end the "melting light bulb" problem--if spare controllers are available! It's a great time to be in S!!! S'incerely, David Dewey Watch the Railroad watch and repeat after me, "The future is in S, the future is in S, the future is in S, the future...."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7838	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Slow drying paint

Scott, Most enamels contain a drier. If the drier goes bad, the paint never does "set-up" and it sounds like this may be your problem. Unfortunately, the most durable option is to strip and start over. The other option could be to clear-coat it, and seal it in. This may or may not work! It sometimes happens to lacquer, but not very often (it did happen to me with some old nitrocellulose stuff once, even the factory rep couldn't figure it out.) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7839	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Turntables

Have you tried Bowser? They make turntables in S size. You apply the track to the bridge, I think. At least that's how I did mine years ago. I recall they had an indexing kit. "Roger V. Petrella Jr." wrote: > > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > > Does anyone know who makes a turntable for S that auto indexes and where > I can purchase one? I'd like to get one that allows a single track to > go to 4-6 track positions. I know I've seen one somewhere, just can't > remember where. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/7/_/494531/_/954186451/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7840	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/27/2000
Subject: slow drying paint

I recently discovered something that can be done about slow drying paint if you have an airbrush. This applies to oil based paints. I was painting a 50' boxcar kitbashed from a Lionel body and let the paint dry for a week before I picked it up. Alas, the paint was not dry and this left finger marks, necessitating another coat of paint. When i am using an oil based paint that I anticapate might dry poorly, or have to have dry quickly, I add a few drops of cobalt drier to the paint. This time I thinned the paint more than usual and added cobalt drier, about 6-8 drops max. for a Badger airbrush cup of paint. Gave the boxcar a good coat of this. The cobalt drier seemed to dry not only the top coat but the soft coats underneath it too. Perhaps the thinner carried the drier through to the underneath coats. So perhaps you could try this on your cars: mix up a thin mix of the same paint, add drier to it, and give them another coat. It might work. If not, suggest you strip the cars and start over with another brand of paint. Coablt drier can be found in art supply stores. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7841	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: s scale

VDas475123@... wrote: > S scale is fun, but I have one question, why is it so expensive? Why doesn't > it cost as much as O scale, and to think its smaller. Dear Vdas, It is in the math. It cost as much to make an O or even HO scale project. The tooling and material cost difference is negligible. There are much fewer S gauges to share the cost of tooling. This is compounded by the challenge in "S" of the number of "S" gaugers that are willing to by non American Flyer trains. But, we do have something that the other scale manufacturers envy, market saturation. We sell to a greater percentage of s guagers than they can in other scales. I know we have tried to look at ways to cut cost while making items as nice as you can find in any scale, but you end up either making cheaper products, cutting out your hobby shop sales or curtailing your marketing effort. All of which we feel will diminish the ability to find new (or even find old) S gauges. Don t. VDas475123@... wrote: > S scale is fun, but I have one question, why is it so expensive? Why doesn't > it cost as much as O scale, and to think its smaller. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7842	From: finerty, paul	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: pulmor bands on Am diesels

Bob, AM had some diesel units upgraded with "gription" wheels and according to them, you could get just the wheels and retrofit them to your existing diesels. I am not sure if they have become available yet, but according to Ron Bashista they were coming in soon. I have an Alco ABA set that I am going to retrofit when the wheels come in. BTW, gription is the material that they make mountain bike hadgrips out of. It is real pliable, almost tacky so it'll be interesting to see how much they improve the traction. Paul Finerty >Has anyone applied pull more bands on AM diesels? If so, source? I only have >one of these in my collection, but it has a problem pulling too many cars up >a normal AF tressel grade. > Bob Nerker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7843	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Radio Shack part # ?

Does anyone know the R.S. part number for a six amp full wave rectifier bridge that makes DC operation possible with an AC transformer? Barker lists it as a #276-1180 in his book but R.S. tells me that # is no longer valid. I found a #276-1146 for the motor but nothing for the transformer. Thanks, Joe Messinger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7844	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Radio Shack part # ?

276-1181 6A, 200 PIV full wave bridge rectifier on p. 241 of the R.S. 200 catalog. When you mount it, be aware that these die occasionally. You may have to replace it so don't put it in a hard to get to location. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7845	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Slow drying paint

- Greeting`S' - Scott Holm et al. I have washed and sprayed one AF plastic streamlined car with Nybco chrome paint from the auto supply store. I am quite pleased with the rapid drying time and the overall result. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7846	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Radio Shack part # ?

Another option for this rectifier can be found in the Radioshack.com catalog or online. They list a range from 50V/10A to 800V/35A. None are more than $4.00 each. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO judy messinger wrote: > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > > Does anyone know the R.S. part number for a six amp full wave rectifier > bridge that makes DC operation possible with an AC transformer? > > Barker lists it as a #276-1180 in his book but R.S. tells me that # is no > longer valid. I found a #276-1146 for the motor but nothing for the > transformer. > > Thanks, > > Joe Messinger > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 0.0% Intro APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/7/_/494531/_/954256064/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7847	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Part #?

As long as we are on the subject of rectifiers, I have tried the 276-1185 from Radio Shack on my 18B (190W) transformer. That rectifier is rated at 25 Amps and 50 volts. However, the trains seem to run much slower when I use the rectifier then when I use AC power. Has anyone else noticed this and/or is it just temporary or does it indicate that I need to check out the locos or something else? Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7848	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?

Art: When you use any silicon diode in series with either ac or dc, there is a 0.6 or 0.7 volt drop across each diode. It is inherent in the physics of the diode, and there's no way to get around it. In a bridge rectifier (where four diodes are used), there are always two diodes conducting at any given instant. Therefore, the total voltage drop is 1.2 volts or 1.4 volts. Out of, say 15 volts total, that's a 10 percent loss of available voltage--which is the penalty you must pay. By the way, older germanium diodes only suffer a 0.2 V drop, but they're virtually unavailable today in high-current devices. Hope that helps. Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: aag_rlg@... [mailto:aag_rlg@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:02 PM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #? From: aag_rlg@... As long as we are on the subject of rectifiers, I have tried the 276-1185 from Radio Shack on my 18B (190W) transformer. That rectifier is rated at 25 Amps and 50 volts. However, the trains seem to run much slower when I use the rectifier then when I use AC power. Has anyone else noticed this and/or is it just temporary or does it indicate that I need to check out the locos or something else? Thanks, Art ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/954273710/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7849	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?

If you connect a big capacitor across the dc output of the rectifier, making sure to observe correct polarity, you should see a noticable increase in power. --- aag_rlg@... wrote: > As long as we are on the subject of rectifiers, I have tried the > 276-1185 from Radio Shack on my 18B (190W) transformer. That > rectifier is rated at 25 Amps and 50 volts. However, the trains seem > to run much slower when I use the rectifier then when I use AC power. > Has anyone else noticed this and/or is it just temporary or does it > indicate that I need to check out the locos or something else? > > Thanks, > Art > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7850	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?

This is normal and one of the reasons the old timers hung 2000mfd capacitors on the output of a DC supply. A cpacitor that big really does an amazing job of filtering the DC. You may want to put in a cut out switch for the capacitor to get pulse power for better starts. It's also the reason why don't want to go to a diode or bridge with too high an amperage rating. aag_rlg@... wrote: > > From: aag_rlg@... > > As long as we are on the subject of rectifiers, I have tried the > 276-1185 from Radio Shack on my 18B (190W) transformer. That > rectifier is rated at 25 Amps and 50 volts. However, the trains seem > to run much slower when I use the rectifier then when I use AC power. > Has anyone else noticed this and/or is it just temporary or does it > indicate that I need to check out the locos or something else? > > Thanks, > Art > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/954273710/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7851	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Part #?

With the voltage drop that you are all talking about, what is the advantage of going to DC at all? Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7852	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: radio shack AC relays

Talking about Radio Shack, I noticed that they have a whole lot of AC relays in the 2000 catalog, something new. Has anyone on list used any of them? Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7853	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Radio Shack Part #?

The advantage is the ability to do away with the Flyer reverse units. The voltage drop only affects top speed and the effect can be minimized with a big capacitor. aag_rlg@... wrote: > > From: aag_rlg@... > > With the voltage drop that you are all talking about, what is the > advantage of going to DC at all? > > Thanks, > Art > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/954280183/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7854	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Trestle

Hi Guys and Gals; I just finished installing 18 feet of track that is all trestle. I have the main supports in and the track operational. This is what the question is. Do any of you have a few links that would give me a photo of trestles? I scrounged up free wood and with the trusty table saw I'm making all the workings that tie it all together to look like a real trestle. So with a decent photo i could have a better idea on how to cut my prototype. Also I could use some ideas on how to use some kind of binding agent for my ballast. At one time someone mentioned powdered glue then spray with water. I think that was great but cant find anything like that around here. Thank you everyone last sunday night meeting for brain storming on the turn table that was very helpful. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7855	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: engine choices

Thanks, Doug. I got my first tip on the 293 from an issue of the AFCC newsletter while that was being published. The transcript of an interview of a former engineer at ACG included asking him which was his favorite engine, and his reply was the 293 for the same reasons I cited from my own experience. The rest comes simply from running them, and working on them to make them run well. Double the pleasure, double the fun. My goal now as an operator, note not as a collector, is to have one example of each engine body-style sold and electric motor-type used in American Flyer. I'm presently in pursuit of 5 engines. In fact I may soon sell one - - a large motor 326 - - in order to raise some money to complete the picture. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7856	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle

Take a look at http://www.blackstonevalleyry.com/newpage2.htm this was posted to the list by John a few days ago, and there are some detailed pictures and drawings of trestles. They are pictures of models, not the real thing, but who knows, that could be more helpful than a picture of a real thing, because the model gives you an idea of what the other model builder had to do to get a decent looking trestle. Maybe you'll even decide to buy one of his kits rather than roll your own. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Wight <bgaylord@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Trestle >From: Bob Wight <bgaylord@...> > >Hi Guys and Gals; > I just finished installing 18 >feet of track that is all trestle. I have the main supports >in and the track operational. This is what the question is. >Do any of you have a few links that would give me a photo of >trestles? I scrounged up free wood and with the trusty table >saw I'm making all the workings that tie it all together to >look like a real trestle. So with a decent photo i could >have a better idea on how to cut my prototype. Also I could >use some ideas on how to use some kind of binding agent for >my ballast. At one time someone mentioned powdered glue then >spray with water. I think that was great but cant find >anything like that around here. Thank you everyone last >sunday night meeting for brain storming on the turn table >that was very helpful. > Happy Railroading > Bob Wight > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. >Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already >registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: >http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/7/_/494531/_/954288334/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7857	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle

Woodland Scenics makes an excellent dry powder that you mix with ballast, put in place, then wet down to activate adhesive. Alternatively, our club usually uses diluted (about 2 parts water to 1 part glue) Elmer's glue with a little detergent as a wetting agent applied after ballast is in place. Bob Wight wrote: > > From: Bob Wight <bgaylord@...> > > Hi Guys and Gals; > I just finished installing 18 > feet of track that is all trestle. I have the main supports > in and the track operational. This is what the question is. > Do any of you have a few links that would give me a photo of > trestles? I scrounged up free wood and with the trusty table > saw I'm making all the workings that tie it all together to > look like a real trestle. So with a decent photo i could > have a better idea on how to cut my prototype. Also I could > use some ideas on how to use some kind of binding agent for > my ballast. At one time someone mentioned powdered glue then > spray with water. I think that was great but cant find > anything like that around here. Thank you everyone last > sunday night meeting for brain storming on the turn table > that was very helpful. > Happy Railroading > Bob Wight > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/7/_/494531/_/954288334/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7858	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: trestles

I would not build a wooden trestle unless modelling an old time railroad. Wooden trestles went out before 1900 as steam locos developed beyond the 4-4-0 American type. They just weren't strong enough to hold up the heavier engines. The number of both workers and passengers killed and injured in rr accidents before 1900 was amazing by present day standards. Getting rid of wooden trestles was a big factor in making th railroads safer, along with the air brake, the knuckle coupler, the non-telescoping vestibule, steel passenger cars, steam heat instead of stoves, telegraphy, signals, etc. I have never in my life actually seen a wooden railroad trestle or bridge of any kind. This leaves these choices: model a steel structure, a concrete structure, a stone structure,or an embankment or fill. A combination of more than one of these would be effective too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7859	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles

Um, not trying to get too technical, but what about all those huge trestles still on the lines in Washington State? In some areas they do still exist, though, admittedly they are rare (But so cool to model!). Now for real interest, a wooden trestle with some steel members (yes, it happens, I've seen pictures--but locations not disclosed so as to not reveal my memory loss). ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7860	From: Richard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles

:-)) David Dewey wrote: > > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > > Um, not trying to get too technical, but what about all those huge trestles > still on the lines in Washington State? In some areas they do still exist, > though, admittedly they are rare (But so cool to model!). Now for real > interest, a wooden trestle with some steel members (yes, it happens, I've > seen pictures--but locations not disclosed so as to not reveal my memory > loss). ;-) > S' > David D. Not just Wash state...but current home of some of the most spectacular scenery interrupted by rails is of course Oregon...on CORP's Coos Bay line as well as many other branches wooden trestles remain in service to this day as testement to their sturdiness!! :-)) I agree these are some of the most "scenic" structures that can be modeled. But hey!! Im biased!! cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7861	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: New cars

I took some photos of the new roadnames for the 2 bay PS-2 covered hoppers. Jon Marrinello has just updated our web page and included these on the order form. They can be seen at: http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html The container left yesterday and we expect to see these the end of April. Also onbaord are the CVSGA 2000 Spree cars and the TCA 2000 convention cars. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7862	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles

WRONG!!!!!!! They are still in use Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7863	From: George Leonard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Capacitors?

Hi All, > If you connect a big capacitor across the dc output of the rectifier, > making sure to observe correct polarity, you should see a noticable > increase in power For the benefit of those of us who are electrically impaired, could you elaborate on this? Does this mean to connect a capacitor that connects the two output wires before they go to the track? How big a capacitor? Would you have an Radio Shack part number? Briefly, how can one be sure he is observing the correct polarity? Sorry to ask such basic questions. Thanks in advance for your answer. George Leonard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7864	From: Nanny	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

I wish to unsubscribe from this list as it is not what I thought it would be. twisty@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@onelist.com> To: <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > From: S-Trains@onelist.com > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > > Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. > Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains > Club/Room name is 'S Trains' > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/954117129/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7865	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] engine choices

In a message dated 3/28/00 9:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, david_horn@... writes: << I got my first tip on the 293 from an issue of the AFCC newsletter while that was being published. The transcript of an interview of a former engineer at ACG included asking him which was his favorite engine, and his reply was the 293 for the same reasons I cited from my own experience. >> The 293 Pacifics are neat -- actually the best version of this engine is the 296 because it has an airchime whistle on board (The 21195 has a whistle as well, but that beastie is another kettle of fish altogether.). Everyone has their favorites. I tend to prefer the 315 and 316 K-5 Pacifics in that they are very accurate all die-cast models, fine runners, and are 'full-featured'. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7866	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The 293 New Haven Pacific

I've had my 293 for about 45 years and it still runs great. The only thing I've ever done to it was to change the smoke unit wick. My father bought this engine off the Marshall Field's junk table for 50 cents. All that was wrong with it was that it was missing a brush and spring! However, this engine was always second favorite to my beloved 283 because it didn't do well on the Christmas tree layout; It fell off the track in the turns. Thinking back it was probably because of it's weight and the fact that the track was just laid, and not tacked down, on the carpet. Now the 283 is the one with the problems, while the 293 has endured. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7867	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?

Hi George: Adding an electrolytic capacitor at the output of a rectifier lets the capacitor charge to what's called the "peak" value. An ac waveform (not rectified) has what's called a peak value and an rms value (root mean square). The rms value is the equivalent of the same source if it were dc. Still with me? Now, the peak value is the voltage only at the very "top" or peak of a sinewave. It is 1.414-times the value of the rms value. The number 1.4142135 comes from the square root of 2. What does this mean? Well, in a full-wave rectifier (which is what you achieve using the bridge rectifier hardware), the dc that's developed is sort of a mix of dc and ac. It is unfiltered, and has a strong waveshape component that is referred to as "ripple." In a radio, for example, the ripple would cause objectionable hum. This is much more easily explained with a drawing, which is a limitation of this e-mail explanation, but so be it. To a universal motor in a train, the ripple is not really a problem, because the motor "integrates" the ripple in the armature (which has momentum). In essence, the motor "doesn't care" that the dc is not "pure." It takes the ripple-laden dc and runs on it, rotating even when the voltage goes down into the ripple's "valleys." Now, adding a capacitor at the output of the rectifier lets the cap charge up to the peak ripple value, which is higher than the rms value by 1.4 times. This peak charging happens 120 times a second. So, you get more dc output. You also "fill in" the valleys of the ripple, which is why the cap is called a filter. It smoothes or filters the rough dc into so-called pure dc. The fly in the proverbial ointment is that that condition essentially exists only if the capacitor is not loaded down by the motor. So, when you first start a train the peak voltage stored in the cap may indeed provide a surge of stored energy at a higher voltage (the peak voltage) that helps the engine get underway, but it's unlikely to make a significant difference once the motor is running and drawing current. The more current it draws, the less peak voltage that will be available. The running voltage is close to the rms voltage, so you're almost back to where you started. You should be able to see this with a voltmeter placed across the tracks. If you wish to get a cap, shoot for the biggest value electrolytic you can find. That way the cap's stored charge won't necessarily be entirely discharged between pulses. I should think a few thousand microfarads would be a minimum, but it depends on how much current your load (the motor) is pulling. A cap may be marked 2200 uF, for example. That's a 2,200 microfarad cap. A 5,000 uF or 12,000 uF cap would be fine as well. You can also experiment by paralleling caps. If you have two 500 uF caps, you could parallel three to attain 1,500 uF, for example. If your transformer puts out, say, 18 V rms (which is what is read on a typical small voltmeter or VOM or digital multimeter), the peak value would be 18 x 1.414 = 25.45 V. You'll read that as a dc value on your meter--proving that the cap charges to the peak value, not the rms value. Add about a 10 percent safety factor to the voltage rating of the selected cap. That would mean you'd like a cap with a voltage rating of about 28 V. To be safe, select a 35 V or 50 V component. You can't hurt by having a higher voltage capacitor. If you found one with a 100 V rating that wouldn't hurt--although you don't need that kind of spare headroom. The caps are usually marked with a + sign for the positive side, and a minus sign (-) for the negative side. Some of the imported jobs mark only the minus side. Some US made caps use a red dot for the plus side. In any case, be sure you do not hook it up backwards, or it will overheat and oftentimes explode. Messy. There is one more glitch that might be a "gotcha." When you first turn on your rectifier-filter-cap power supply, the capacitor isn't charged. Initially it "looks" like a dead short to the rectifier. As such, very high peak inrush current occurs as the rectifier charges the cap. That inrush can damage the rectifier, or pop a fuse. If you choose a hefty rectifier (one with a high peak current rating), that probably won't be a problem, but you should be aware that that's the way the physics works. Similarly, if you have a charged-up electrolytic, and you discharge it into a short (say, a screwdriver placed across the charged-up cap), the short will permit huge currents to flow for a very short period of time. In schools, there's a classic prank that happens in the lab. Students will charge a big cap and leave it sitting around. Later, they'll jump its terminals with a screwdriver. Bang! Big spark--and typically a damaged screwdriver. Sometimes the internal wiring in the cap gets fried too, ruining the cap. In the old days before low-voltage, students would charge a cap to a few hundred, or even a thousand or more, volts and leave it sitting around the lab. Woe unto the unsuspecting who touched the terminals of that capacitor! I'd be curious to know whether filtering your dc output really makes a significant difference in your operations there. Good luck. Regards, Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: George Leonard [mailto:gleonard@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 8:45 AM To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Capacitors? From: George Leonard <gleonard@...> Hi All, > If you connect a big capacitor across the dc output of the rectifier, > making sure to observe correct polarity, you should see a noticable > increase in power For the benefit of those of us who are electrically impaired, could you elaborate on this? Does this mean to connect a capacitor that connects the two output wires before they go to the track? How big a capacitor? Would you have an Radio Shack part number? Briefly, how can one be sure he is observing the correct polarity? Sorry to ask such basic questions. Thanks in advance for your answer. George Leonard To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7868	From: Scott Holm	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?

--- George Leonard <gleonard@...> wrote: > > If you connect a big capacitor across the dc output of the > rectifier, making sure to observe correct polarity, you should see a > noticable increase in power. > > For the benefit of those of us who are electrically impaired, could > you elaborate on this? Does this mean to connect a capacitor that > connects the two output wires before they go to the track? Yes, The DC output of the rectifier has plus and minus leads, which are connected to the plus and minus leads of the capacitor and these same leads are also connected to the track. It's like you are shorting out the power supply, but since a capacitor blocks DC it won't really short it out like it would with AC. Do not connect the capacitor to the AC leads. > How big a capacitor? Would you have an Radio Shack part number? I don't know the exact size or number. The bigger, the better. I have one that's about the size of a 6 OZ can. Several thousand MFDs. Get the largest one they have. Usually this is about the size of a C-cell battery. If it's too small it won't hurt anything; it just won't improve the power much. The voltage rating of the capacitor should be 50 volts or more. > Briefly, how can one be sure he is observing the correct polarity? Usually the negative lead is pointed to with a series of dashes and an arrow. The dash is supposed to be the minus sign. Other times the plus sign is used to point to the positive lead. If the capacitor is not oriented correctly it will explode, so make sure. The negative lead is connected to the negative lead of the rectifier and positive to positive. The rectifier converts the downswing of the AC wave into an upswing so the DC output wave appears as a series of humps with valleys between the humps which go all the way down to zero power. The capacitor stores the power when the wave is at the top of the hump so that it can supply continuous power during the valleys. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7869	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles

What's that big white one in a state park in northwestern Pennsy made of? I can't remember the name of the place, but it's one of the tallest/longest trestles left in the US and they run a steamer across it. I'd like to take that ride some day. I've heard it's pretty amazing. They apparently stop the train midway across in case the height and drama of it all was lost on you 'til then :> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7870	From: Mark Preman	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Year End Results

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 7871	From: judy messinger	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Flyer choices

No offense intended to the "293" fans, but what's wrong with a "290" for starters? I'm new to most of this but the only real difference I can see between the two is the white stripe on the side of the boiler of the 293. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. The mechanics of the two appear to be the same. Same motor, driver set up, etc. The trailing truck on the 293 is more realistic looking but other than that, I'm not sure of the differences. I still have my old "290" 1950 "Christmas" train set and ,with some recent maintenance, it runs fine. It's speedy, pulls loads well, smokes (like a freight train...) and stays on the track. Another difference I've noticed is the going prices for the two models. The 290's sell (mostly) for well under $100.00 and the 293's seem to bring closer to $150.00. Just wondering. . . Joe Messinger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7872	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: D C trains

I have been watching this list for about a month. There is a wealth of knowledge here, so at the risk of sounding stupid, I will ask for help. There has been a lot of talk about changing to d c. It sounds good but, what is involved. What I think so far is: I would need: 1 A rectifier ? 2 A capacitor ? Is there anything else. Do I need to change to d c motors in my locomotives. And any wisdom is welcome. Thanks for taking your time to help. And I have to say, S gauge people are the nicest. Thanks again for your help. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7873	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: DC Conversion

All the recent talk about the rectifiers and capacitors has sparked some questions in my mind. I know these questions must have been asked a bunch of times, but I probably wasn't interested in seeing the answers at the time, so now I am in the dark. Problem is, now I am considering using a DCC system to have a little more operating fun. Surprisingly, the FAQ on Paul's site doesn't give much help. Here are the the questions: 1. If original AF locos are run on DC, is there any damage that will be done to the motors? 2. I know the E-units must be disconnected/removed, but are there any other modifications that need to be done to the locomotives? 3. Do the locos run well using a DCC system and is there room for the electronics? 4. How are the accessories and action cars that utilize track power or pickups operated? 5. Are there any books, other FAQs, etc. on conversion and operation available (other than what's in Barker's book)? I would really appreciate some help on this. If I get enough useful information, I'll volunteer to put together something for the FAQ so that it's easier to get this info. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7874	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer choices

In a message dated 3/29/00 12:21:24 PM, jmessinger@... writes: << No offense intended to the "293" fans, but what's wrong with a "290" for starters? I'm new to most of this but the only real difference I can see between the two is the white stripe on the side of the boiler of the 293. >> Nothing's 'wrong' with the 290, so enjoy! I believe that AF fans kinda prefer the 293 because of the detailed plastic tender fitted with the sinderd iron trucks with knuckle coupler and the nice trailing truck in place of the sheet metal tender and the cheaper integrated trailing truck on the 290. BTW, the mention of the 290 brings up the 295 (effectively, a 290 with an air chime whistle), which usually costs more and is tougher to find than either the 290 or the 293. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7875	From: Bill Clark	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC Conversion

Roger, Checkout the Getting Started with DCC ibn S Gauge page on the Bristol Club site: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/DCC/nmradcc-info.html I think this will answer all your questions. Bill At 09:33 PM 03/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: >From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > >All the recent talk about the rectifiers and capacitors has sparked some >questions in my mind. I know these questions must have been asked a >bunch of times, but I probably wasn't interested in seeing the answers >at the time, so now I am in the dark. Problem is, now I am considering >using a DCC system to have a little more operating fun. Surprisingly, >the FAQ on Paul's site doesn't give much help. Here are the the >questions: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7876	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC Conversion

See answers below: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." wrote: > > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > > All the recent talk about the rectifiers and capacitors has sparked some > questions in my mind. I know these questions must have been asked a > bunch of times, but I probably wasn't interested in seeing the answers > at the time, so now I am in the dark. Problem is, now I am considering > using a DCC system to have a little more operating fun. Surprisingly, > the FAQ on Paul's site doesn't give much help. Here are the the > questions: > > 1. If original AF locos are run on DC, is there any damage that will be > done to the motors? No, in fact they should run cooler on DC. > > 2. I know the E-units must be disconnected/removed, but are there any > other modifications that need to be done to the locomotives? E units do not have to be disconnected. They will still work if you want to run sequence reverse with DC > > 3. Do the locos run well using a DCC system and is there room for the > electronics? Don't know why they wouldn't as long as you DCC units handle 2 to 3 amps. > > 4. How are the accessories and action cars that utilize track power or > pickups operated? Action cars can still use AC or can operate on DC. Accessories are a moxed bag. AF oil barrel loader needs AC. Any thing using a vigbrator needs AC. Much simpler to leave all accessories on AC and merely use DC for track power. > > 5. Are there any books, other FAQs, etc. on conversion and operation > available (other than what's in Barker's book)? Don't know. > > I would really appreciate some help on this. If I get enough useful > information, I'll volunteer to put together something for the FAQ so > that it's easier to get this info. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7877	From: George Leonard	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Capacitors

Thanks everyone for the info on capacitors. Now even I can understand how its done. George Leonard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7878	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitors?

2000 mfd capacitor, or smaller ones in parallel. Hook to output of Rectifier just like a load, with correct polarity by hooking plus to plus and minus to minus. Be sure reversing DPDT switch is beyond capacitor and before track (not between rectifier and capacitor). Bridge rectifiers have the positive output pole marked. George Leonard wrote: > > From: George Leonard <gleonard@...> > > Hi All, > > > If you connect a big capacitor across the dc output of the rectifier, > > making sure to observe correct polarity, you should see a noticable > > increase in power > > For the benefit of those of us who are electrically impaired, could you elaborate on > this? Does this mean to connect a capacitor that connects the two output wires > before they go to the track? How big a capacitor? Would you have an Radio Shack > part number? Briefly, how can one be sure he is observing the correct polarity? > > Sorry to ask such basic questions. Thanks in advance for your answer. > > George Leonard > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7879	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

529 MP 50' express boxcar. (12-46) Painted MP blue & grey. Proto 2000 kit. Yellow, silver & blue graphics. Set will letter 2 cars. 530 DJLX The David J. Joseph Company (9-96) 50' Max. Gon. E&C kit. Aluminum body with the "B" end painted blue. Black lettering with 2 color blue & white DJJ logo. Set will letter 2 cars. 531 T&P 40' express boxcar. (2-57) Painted MP blue & grey. Red Caboose 1937 AAR boxcar kit. Yellow & silver graphics. Set will letter 1 car. 532 CNW 40' boxcar Operation Lifesaver (12-88) Painted Zito yellow. Has 4 color silver, white, black & red Operation Lifesaver Crossbucks, 3 color CNW system herald. Set will letter 1 car. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7880	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Flyer choices

I disagree with most of what's been said about the 290 and 293. I think they were Flyer's ugliest steam locos until the Casey Jones came out. The body is too heavy, paint absolutely flies off all of them unlike any other Flyer steamer, the pilot trucks don't track well, and most important, the level of detail is the lowest of any Flyer steamer. Those stay bolt heads on the firebox side are almost one scale foot in diameter. While the most distinctive feature of the NYNH&H class I-4 pacific was the feedwater heater which is present on the model, the second most distinctive feature was the two air tanks and deflector mounted right behind the smokestack. These were left off in the Gilbert version. These two features gave the original loco a real lowbrow look which is missing in the model. The distinctive cab windows were not captured either. A look at the history can explain a lot of things. The original Flyer steamers were designed before WW II. They were a response to Lionel's scale Hudson, which many consider the finest toy loco ever made. The Lionel Hudson introduced a new technology: white metal castings, which made possible a lot more detail than the previous loco bodies made of tinplate. Flyer decided to create a whole line of engines that were inspired by Lionel's Hudson. The Flyer locos were originally the Atlantic, K-5, Hudson, "Challenger" , Royal Blue, and the 0-8-0. These were all as meticulously detailed as prewar technology would permit. Remember, they were competing with and inspired by the Lionel scale Hudson, the biggest thing on the toy train horizon at the time. I believe that the molds for these locos were made in Chicago, where Flyer used to reside. The 290 was the only Flyer metal steamer to be designed after the war in New Haven. Why it was made is sort of a mystery. Flyer had enough 6 wheel steamers. It probably was cheaper to produce than the other metal steamers because it involved only one casting. But they had 2 plastic Pacifics - the 282 and the silver bullet, for the low end sets. I think the real reason it was built was ego -- the Gilbert guys wanted to show they were just as good as the Chicago guys. Well guess what -- they weren't. The reason that oft-quoted Gilbert engineer preferred that loco is that it was the only one he had a hand in creating. From the repairman's perspective, each of the classic Flyer steamers has a flaw. With only 4 drive whels, the Atlantic tends to rock from side to side when running.The Royal Blue valve gear tends to jam and force the drive wheels out of quarter, and the loco has no room for a smoke unit. The Hudson is top-heavy. The K-5 has a very long pilot that strikes the rails at the beginning and end of trestled or elevated track and bends easily in a collision. The 4-8-4 has a long wheelbase and will derail unless the trackwork is perfect. The torque on the 0-8-0's drive wheels is so great that they tend to fall apart. So none of these is perfect. But they are all much better looking models than the 290 series. As I said above, the paint flies off the 290 series locos, presumably because the motor heat makes the body expand and contract during operation. The pilot trucks don't track well. And any flyer loco with the die cast 2 wheel trailing truck -- that truck is impossible to back through switches without derailing. But the real objection is the lack of detail and the lack of a "look". The Hudson captures a NYC 'look', the K-5 a Pennsy 'look' (Bellepaire firebox), the "Challenger" a U.P. look, the 0-8-0 a USRA look, the Atlantic a Reading 'look' (Wooten firebox), etc. The detail on the 290 series is thick and clumsy -- check the chunky rendition of the air pumps and piping, what there is of it. The old style cab windows would have given the loco a real B & M - NH New England 'look' if they had been represented correctly, but they weren't. Don't get me wrong -- I find all Flyer steam locos up to the Casey Jones to be beautiful to look at and fun to operate. I have one 290 and one 293 and run them often. But I have seen the 290 series locos praised much more than they ought to be relative to other Flyer steamers. None of them are perfect, all of them are wonderful, but compared to the other Flyer steamers the 290 series is sort of weak. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7881	From: Rick Evans	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: 1/64th vehicles for sale list

For those that were interested, here is a partial list. Still have some digging to do! $7.00 each + shipping of your choice........ 1953 Ford F-100 P/U.....black...Racing Champs..issue # 188 1950 Ford Coupe...Burgundy?.....1/58th....RC....issue # 61 1955 Chevy Bel Air..lite green/white top....RC...Isssue # 135 1957 Chevy Bel Air convert.....grey/silver...RC...Issue # on bottom of car {newer} Please email any questions.... Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7882	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles

Hi, Oh, some 20 years ago, I saw a an all wood "bridge" in Des Plaines, Il.. Why, I thought? Was told-- In high water tables, concrete and steel sink, Wood floats. Wood pilings are used in locations where water is a problem. It didn't make that much sense to me, but that over-the-roadway wood bridge was definitely "there". So?? As I suspect it still is? JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7883	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Trestles

Idaho has a tremendous number of huge wooden trestles still in use too. I took pictures of about 15 of them on one trip on one highway in 1998 that only covered 250 miles. Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho RMHR etc. etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7884	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Rectifiers and capacitors

There were several postings yesterday about using a capacitor to regain some of the oomph that is lost due to the voltage drop across diodes when converting to DC. This action is not free. The capacitor works by storing electrical charge when the voltage in the rectified AC is high and giving it back when that voltage is low. For this to work requires a large (expensive) capacitor. When the voltage in the capacitor is greater than the voltage coming out of the rectifier bridge, no current flows through the rectifier. When the voltage in the capacitor is less than the voltage coming out of the rectifier bridge, the capacitor looks like a something like a short circuit and the current flowing through the rectifiers can be very large. When sizing rectifiers, there is a tendency to think in terms of average current. This would be the current drawn by your motor from a DC source. However the rectifier will see a peak current much higher than that. All rectifiers have average and peak ratings(although the peak may not be listed on packages in hobbyist oriented stores). Now here is the catch. The larger the capacitor, the closer to a true DC value at the peak voltage, i.e: the higher the output voltage. But the higher the voltage in the capacitor, the shorter the time when the rectifier conducts and therefore the higher the peak current. If you have a really big capacitor, you will lose fewer rectifier bridges if you get one with a higher current rating. There is another advantage to higher current ratings in rectifiers. For a given current, a rectifier designed for a high current rating will have a lower voltage drop than a rectifier designed for a low current rating. This is not free; the high current rated rectifier has more reverse leakage and will allow the voltage in the capacitor the leak away faster if the power input and load on the output were disconnected. One other effect of reverse leakage is increased heat that needs to be dissipated. This requires bulkier packaging and possibly the use of heat sinks It was mentioned that germainium rectrifers have a very low voltage drop. This is true and they are still used in some particular applications where that quality is of uptmost importance. But they also have a very high reverse leakage and that has made them unpopular in most other applications due to the large amount of heat they need to get rid of. Vic Bereskin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7885	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: 290, 293 details: Marketing and Modifications

I would offer one more point of view on the lack of detail in the 29X style - Marketing. This was the fifties. The detailed Atlantic became a single casting 302AC (similar to the 290). Later the Atlantic became plastic. If you remember General Motors marketing, it worked brilliantly for Sloan: Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Cadillac. You moved up as your paycheck improved but stayed with GM. (Sloan even convinced folks that the divisions were competitors and not really the same company but that's another story.) In Flyer you moved up from 442 plastic engine and tender, to 462 with an extra set of drive wheels. The next item was a diecast 462 (293) with plastic tender. Then came the diecast series K5, Hudson, Northern with details and higher price as the wheels increased. (The 080 fits in here somewhere.) I read some time ago that both Gilbert and Lionel were in effect giving away 5 dollar bills on the low end sets and they constantly tried to eliminate any unnecessary cost. On a different note, I just sawed the headlight off of a 293 body and plugged the hole with a standard wide head AF truck rivet. I then added a metal tube at the base of the boiler front to accomodate a newer AF Lionel light supported by an Erector set bracket. This approximates a C&O with the lowered headlight. A Hudson tender is a close match for the C&O tender. It's the cheap way out and, if I can ever get the paint to stick, will, in my opinion, look like the way Gilbert would have gone about doing it. --- Nick Colleran BTW - Now back to painting. In my dumb move of the day, as I oversprayed the new finished model, I grabbed the flat black and not the semi gloss clear. >___________________________________________________________________________ ____ > >Message: 21 > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:24:55 -0500 (EST) > From: jarcho@... >Subject: Flyer choices > >I disagree with most of what's been said about the 290 and 293. I think >they were Flyer's ugliest steam locos until the Casey Jones came out. The >body is too heavy, paint absolutely flies off all of them unlike any other >Flyer steamer, the pilot trucks don't track well, and most important, the >level of detail is the lowest of any Flyer steamer. Those stay bolt heads >on the firebox side are almost one scale foot in diameter. While the most >distinctive feature of the NYNH&H class I-4 pacific was the feedwater >heater which is present on the model, the second most distinctive feature >was the two air tanks and deflector mounted right behind the smokestack. >These were left off in the Gilbert version. These two features gave the >original loco a real lowbrow look which is missing in the model. The >distinctive cab windows were not captured either. > >A look at the history can explain a lot of things. The original Flyer >steamers were designed before WW II. They were a response to Lionel's >scale Hudson, which many consider the finest toy loco ever made. The >Lionel Hudson introduced a new technology: white metal castings, which >made possible a lot more detail than the previous loco bodies made of >tinplate. Flyer decided to create a whole line of engines that were >inspired by Lionel's Hudson. > >The Flyer locos were originally the Atlantic, K-5, Hudson, "Challenger" , >Royal Blue, and the 0-8-0. These were all as meticulously detailed as >prewar technology would permit. Remember, they were competing with and >inspired by the Lionel scale Hudson, the biggest thing on the toy train >horizon at the time. I believe that the molds for these locos were made in >Chicago, where Flyer used to reside. > >The 290 was the only Flyer metal steamer to be designed after the war in >New Haven. Why it was made is sort of a mystery. Flyer had enough 6 wheel >steamers. It probably was cheaper to produce than the other metal steamers >because it involved only one casting. But they had 2 plastic Pacifics - >the 282 and the silver bullet, for the low end sets. I think the real >reason it was built was ego -- the Gilbert guys wanted to show they were >just as good as the Chicago guys. Well guess what -- they weren't. The >reason that oft-quoted Gilbert engineer preferred that loco is that it was >the only one he had a hand in creating. > >>From the repairman's perspective, each of the classic Flyer steamers has a >flaw. With only 4 drive whels, the Atlantic tends to rock from side to >side when running.The Royal Blue valve gear tends to jam and force the >drive wheels out of quarter, and the loco has no room for a smoke unit. >The Hudson is top-heavy. The K-5 has a very long pilot that strikes the >rails at the beginning and end of trestled or elevated track and bends >easily in a collision. The 4-8-4 has a long wheelbase and will derail >unless the trackwork is perfect. The torque on the 0-8-0's drive wheels is >so great that they tend to fall apart. So none of these is perfect. But >they are all much better looking models than the 290 series. > >As I said above, the paint flies off the 290 series locos, presumably >because the motor heat makes the body expand and contract during operation. >The pilot trucks don't track well. And any flyer loco with the die cast 2 >wheel trailing truck -- that truck is impossible to back through switches >without derailing. But the real objection is the lack of detail and the >lack of a "look". The Hudson captures a NYC 'look', the K-5 a Pennsy >'look' (Bellepaire firebox), the "Challenger" a U.P. look, the 0-8-0 a USRA >look, the Atlantic a Reading 'look' (Wooten firebox), etc. The detail on >the 290 series is thick and clumsy -- check the chunky rendition of the air >pumps and piping, what there is of it. The old style cab windows would >have given the loco a real B & M - NH New England 'look' if they had been >represented correctly, but they weren't. > >Don't get me wrong -- I find all Flyer steam locos up to the Casey Jones to >be beautiful to look at and fun to operate. I have one 290 and one 293 and >run them often. But I have seen the 290 series locos praised much more >than they ought to be relative to other Flyer steamers. None of them are >perfect, all of them are wonderful, but compared to the other Flyer >steamers the 290 series is sort of weak. > >Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7886	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Classic Die Cast

Hi, Just returned from the local "Big Lots." Found a '49 Cadillac Coupe Deville, '55 Chevy BelAir, and (can you believe) '58 Ford Edsel. All made by Racing Champions, the scale is not marked on the package, but they look very close to other vehicles I know to be 1/64. Price was $2.99. Was this a good deal? Check it out if you have a Big Lots near by. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7887	From: Bob Wight	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: Ballast/Trestles

Thanks for the response on the Trestles and ballast question. I tried the elmers glue and water and worked spectacular! Also the link to trestles was great. From the photo I was able to get what I needed. In the mean time I will look for that book in the used book stores. Before moving to Minnesota I lived in the Pacific north west. There were some great train trestles there. The reason I wish to add this to my layout is just for my pure pleasure. The sight of a trestle brings me back to the sights and sounds of the north west and the train going over them as I traveled in the area and would watch with awl. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7888	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: A little fun on yahoo!

Hi Gang, I just thought I would share this posting I made on the Great American Train Store's Yahoo club site called "more trains than you can imagine" Lets bombard them with s-gauge postings even before the Maddox Chat happens. Just a thought since I don't have much else to do right now! "S"EE YA! Chris Burger Messages <- Previous Message 172 of 172 Reply S-gauge trains cbtrainnut 3/30/00 2:00 am If O-gauge trains are so dag gone great, why are all the manufacturers of three rail track trying to hide the third rail? Start buying s-gauge trains,which has a growing number of manufacturers,and you will see the choices in S-gauge become as varied as O-gauge. The detail of the new s-gauge trains rivals anything put out by most o-gauge manufacturers and the cost is very comparable also. This horse manure that s-gauge is a dead gauge needs to stop now. It's sad to go into the Great American Train Store and hear their sales staff make that comment. I'd bet if they put a starter set from S-Helper Service in their stores on display , they would sell more of those than the Lyinl starter sets and the HO gauge starter sets. As another train friend of mine always says " THE FUTURE IS IN "S" "

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7889	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 3/29/2000
Subject: URL for yahoo club

Here is the url to the site I was talking about in my last posting if anyone is interested in joining in the fun. CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7890	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Vintage Die Cast!!

,<Subject: Classic Die Cast <Hi, <Just returned from the local "Big Lots." Found a '49 Cadillac Coupe <Deville, '55 Chevy BelAir, and (can you believe) '58 Ford Edsel. All made <by Racing Champions, the scale is not marked on the package, but they look <very close to other vehicles I know to be 1/64. Price was $2.99. Was this a <good deal? Check it out if you have a Big Lots near by. <Wayne Wayne, these cars are usually 1/64 scale or as close as we will find to it. A few are a bit off however overall they work very well. Do you really think $2.99 is a bad price? Ok Guys here we go, Racing champs is in need of input from S scale people, they are getting complacent, they have not been making an aggressive move to produce a wide variety if 30's through 50's cars like they have in the past. If they and other companies that produce 1/64th scale items don't hear from us we are only hurting ourselves. In Phila the 1/64 vintage vehicalls sell out the week they hit the rack, that tells me there is a very high demand for collector quality 1/64 th scale items. We need many more vehicles made for our Train Layouts and Die Cast collections. Tow Trucks, Cabs, Construction vehicles, more Daily transportation, some Hot Rods, Sanitation trucks, Milk Delivery trucks" I couldn't believe my eyes the other day,on I-95 going South by Philadelphia I saw a very cool old Abbotts Milk delivery truck from the very early 1950's with all ORIGINAL PAINT. What a sight that was, I am only 36 but I even remember seeing these cool trucks delivering milk when I was a kid. We need to contact all the Die-Cast manufactures and tell them what we want!! They will make it if they hear from enough people. 1/64 th scale is the most popular scale to make die cast vehicles as things stand now. We are very Lucky for that in S. It also reinforces the fact that S is the best scale for trains. Look at how hard it is to find the Hart Toy Trucks, Ertl Farm Vintage Semi's with tractor loads, Real authentic looking Farmall tractors are very hard to find and they were recently made!! A lot of stuff has been made in 1/64 th but it is usually already sold out and demands much higher than its original value to obtain those items. In closing, I will say one again, CONTACT DIE CAST COMPANIES AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT!!! Feel free to copy this message to the company's you contact.... David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7891	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: 290 vs 293 etc.

Tom seems to have missed the point as to why the 293 was brought up in the firs place. Someone was looking for a steam loco that he could buy in good running condition for $150 or less. There were several suggestions that were good and someone else said "Oops, don't forget the venerable 293." Because of it's simplicity in design it is one of the easiest locos AC ever made to work on. I've had several of them pass through my hands and they were all excellent reliable runners. They were designed to be a mid range priced loco that would fall between the plastics and the K-5's and Hudson's. As to comparing it with the 290 no one has mentioned the obvious advantage of the 293. It has pullmor wheels and the 290 did not. Cosmetically it looks better because of the k-5 type trailing truck and the tender as previously mentioned. I still have my original 293 that I bought used in 1959. It runs constantly and probably has 250,000 (real) miles on it. It still has the original smoke unit and the only repairs I have made is to remove two of the drive wheels, knurl the inside and press them back onto the axles. Yes, that's the easy way to fix loose drivers. Whoever that was that was asking about locos that he could get for $150 or less I think the 293 is an EXCELLENT choice. Especially if you aren't particularly talented in fixing and maintaining Gilbert locos......Enjoy Steve Blackburn RMHR, TCA, NASG, OLD Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7892	From: Michael Greene	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Bristol Club Web Site - Additional DCC Projects info

Just a quick note to advise that the Bristol Club web site DCC project pages have been updated to include: - expanded version of the DCC+Sound installation project information in the S Helper Service SW-1 - having just completed two more installations, it's almost cookie cutter, so we updated the details to provide the steps we used - new project which shows a couple of options for DCC installation in the American Model S12 Baldwin Also more project info is coming over the next several weeks. The web site is at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge Regards, Michael Greene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7893	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: S-Trains digest questions

I have been receiving the S-Trains list for a little while now and I really enjoy the "conversations". My question is how do I either post a question or send a response to a question ? Thanks and keep up the good work. Bruce Hansen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7894	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580

1) Sorry for my first message. I thought it would go to only the group administrator. 2) On wood trestles...There of course are many still in service. There is a short one (< 100ft.) here in San Jose that was built just back in the early 1930's on the SP Coast Line mainline when it was relocated. Before that the Coast mainline ran down the middle of a major downtown street and had to make a curve that was the sharpest in the entire SP mainline system ! When the second mainline was built (1980's) they used a concrete bridge and supports. It is an interesting sight side by side. 3) I have two Atlantic's ( 300 AC and a 302 ). I can not figure out the reversing scheme. The 300 has a switch (?) on the boiler...the 302 has a switch (?) under the tender. Using a DC transformer ( don't have an AC one ) the 300 just makes clicking sounds ( no motion but light comes on ! ) then nothing. The 302 runs only in one direction. What are the switches for and what am I doing wrong. Note: Some of the above noted facts may be reversed because I'm at work and they don't let me bring my trains in with me !!! 4) What AC transformer is a good reasonably priced one ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7895	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580

Bruce, I don't know about running on DC, although I do believe you have to do something to make the motor work both directions- it may be as simple as locking out the revese unit, which brings us to your main question. The lever in the boiler top, and the one in the tender bottom are the same thing, the revese units are just in defferent places. Pushed on way, it locks out the reverse unit in whatever postition it is in with the power on, or the next postition it will be in if the power is off (when you "throw" the switch). Lack of "motovation" can be bad fingers on the reverse unit, broken wire, bad brushes, etc. etc. Transformers; most AF units are reasonable. It does depend a lot on the size of your layout, and what you're going to do. For a mid-sized transformer, the 100 watt square box one is pretty good, and usually cheap (what is this, 2B, I think?) When you get a transformer with the "deadman's" throttle, you get a carbon roller contact, which should be more durable, for the windings at least. The little 1-1/2s are very common, but really only good for a small loop of track, or for powering accessories--so they are actually quite useful, and cheaper than anything new nowadays! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7896	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 580

Bruce: If you have been watching this list for the last week or two you know that there have been numerous discussions in regard to conversion to DC from AC. I converted to DC and the reverse units worked the same in DC as in AC. The only modification to the engine for DC is if you do not want to use the reverse unit, but want to change direction with a switch on the power pack. However, a number of people who post to this list operate using DC and feel it is better, so you may want to think twice before you buy an AF transformer if you already have a DC power source. Check out some of the earlier postings re: Why DC? Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7897	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 580

The switches turn the reverse unit off and on. They actuaklly lock the motion out in one setting. The one that runs in one direction only means the reverse unit is locked out or not functioning and is stuck in forward. The one thaty clicks only is stuck in neutral or not working. The switch on the boiler is the older style which was a carryover from the prewar design. Actually it's a very reliable reverse unit if you want to spray some WD40 or tuner cleaner on it and free it up. Bew careful with tuner cleaner because it can attack paint. In the end you may have to disassemble and really go to work on the reverse uits. If that's the case then it's decision time- fix them or do the easier changeover to DC with polarity reverse. "Hansen, Bruce x1383" wrote: > > 1) Sorry for my first message. I thought it would go to only the group > administrator. > > 2) On wood trestles...There of course are many still in service. There > is a short one (< 100ft.) here in San Jose that was built just back in the > early 1930's on the SP Coast Line mainline when it was relocated. Before > that the Coast mainline ran down the middle of a major downtown street and > had to make a curve that was the sharpest in the entire SP mainline system ! > When the second mainline was built (1980's) they used a concrete bridge and > supports. It is an interesting sight side by side. > > 3) I have two Atlantic's ( 300 AC and a 302 ). I can not figure out > the reversing scheme. > The 300 has a switch (?) on the boiler...the 302 has a switch (?) > under the tender. Using a DC transformer ( don't have an AC one ) the 300 > just makes clicking sounds ( no motion but light comes on ! ) then nothing. > The 302 runs only in one direction. What are the switches for and what am I > doing wrong. > > Note: Some of the above noted facts may be reversed because I'm at > work and they don't let me bring my trains in with me !!! > > 4) What AC transformer is a good reasonably priced one ? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/7/_/494531/_/954450245/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7898	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Re: Train Show at Timmonium, MD

I will be leaving tomorrow (Friday, March 31st) for the Train Show at the Timmonium, MD fairgrounds.. We will have 4 tables with S stuff (I will also have S Scale America tank cars and 3 bay hoppers for DesPlaines Hobbies, PRS kits and Port Lines reefers in addition to our complete line) and a 6' x 12' foam board layout that shows how to use out track system with the Woodland Scenes Subterranean elevation system. The show is on Saturday and Sunday. We will also be displaying two Chessie SW-1s that Bill Clark and Mike Greene have installed DCC sound. Looking forward to seeing anyone that is in the area. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7899	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Wood Trestles

For a picture of a real wood trestle, visit the web site, http://www.kasgro.com Scroll down to the picture, and you'll see a special flat car sitting on a long trestle. Kasgro also has the same scene in some of the railroad trade magazines, such as Modern Railroads. I tried making a model of the Kasgro car using an AF depressed center flat body, the two halves of a standard AF flat car cut in half at the center, and six S Helper Service trucks, three under each half of the AF flat with two trucks at each end on a span bolster made of a piece of brass. The depressed center flat is fastened through the old truck swivel holes to new holes drilled into the ends of the half-flats with a couple washers between the depressed center flat and the half-flats. I tried it out for several hours on the Neshaminy Valley American Flyer Club's layout at a recent train meet and it did quite nicely. Although it's a very long car, it still fits within the same clearances as the depressed center flat because it uses the same truck swivel points. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7900	From: David Dewey	Date: 3/30/2000
Subject: Price of some eBay items

Hi all, Think the AF prices sometimes go crazy? check out this auction! Item #291765790 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=291765790 Dang, didn't I pass some of these up at the kayBee factory outlet?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7901	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ice Houses

With the new SHS refeer's coming out can anyone tell me their favorite Ice House kit? Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7902	From: Stephen V. Anderson	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

please remove me from your list. bulamatare1@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7903	From: Neil Trump	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: A 293 on ebay

With all the discussion on 293's recently, I couldn't help viewing said item: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297462539 I am seriously beginning to wonder about some peoples description on their items and if blatant mis-representation of items falls foul of ebay's own code of fair play. Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7904	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

Neil, One thing you got to see is that a lot of these sellers are toy or junktique dealers. They don't grade to TCA or other train organization standards. I rely a lot on the pictures and almost never buy anything that doesn't sow a picture. I have bought several items from this particular dealer and he is easy to deal with and although I don't always agree that something he calls excellent is really excellent, I bid according to what I see. I haven't been unhappy with any of his items yet. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Neil Trump wrote: > With all the discussion on 293's recently, I couldn't help viewing said item: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297462539 > > I am seriously beginning to wonder about some peoples description on their items and if blatant mis-representation of items falls foul of ebay's own code of fair play. > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/954527852/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7905	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle

I added a note to the following: > Elmer's glue with a little detergent as a wetting agent > applied after ballast is in place. The perferred detergent, is a drop of liquid ivory soap. Elmers glue ??? Keep in mind Elmers gets dry and brittle as it ages and eventualy fails. The wood workers version of Elmers is best if you must use it. This glue is tan colored. It holds up better. What will happen to these glues in extreme environment changes ? Many years there was an article on glues. Wish I had it now. Around 1962 I bought every kind of glue used for modeling. In those days Testors was best for plastics. Still is as far as I am concerned. Good plastic glues have acetone in it. The acetone (micro)-melts the plastics so they will become one when dryed out. I find general epoxy is best for wood models. Elmers WILL fail after a few years. Roger Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7906	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: YEAR END RESULTS

It was good to see that Mark 's website is doing well. I was also pleased to see his ad in the May,2000 Classic ToyTrains. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7907	From: Ron Brady	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

Did you ever notice, that seller spends a lot more time telling you what you are going to do and how you are going to do it , than he does describing the item. Ron Neil Trump wrote: > With all the discussion on 293's recently, I couldn't help viewing said item: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297462539 > > I am seriously beginning to wonder about some peoples description on their items and if blatant mis-representation of items falls foul of ebay's own code of fair play. > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2122/7/_/494531/_/954527852/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7908	From: John Craft	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Price of some eBay items

OH MY GOD! David Dewey wrote: > Hi all, > Think the AF prices sometimes go crazy? check out this auction! > Item #291765790 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=291765790 > Dang, didn't I pass some of these up at the kayBee factory outlet?? > S' > David D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/975/7/_/494531/_/954486837/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7909	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trestles

At the cog railway in NH there is wooden trestles in use. The most notable is Jacobs ladder which is on an incline close to 45 degrees. I think it is 43 degrees. Yes steep --- real steep. Seems to me The north Conway RR has a Small wooden trestle spanning a road. I have seen a few other Small wooden ones around. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7910	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Year End Results

My Reply after the following; Mark Preman wrote: > > 1999 Year End > > Website Hits 596,170 > Website Hits per day 1,633 > Website User Sessions per Day 191 > Website User Session Length(minutes) 6.33 > Gross Sales $122,258 > > http://www.americanflyertrains.com ACKkkkk !!! Good Grief ! How do you manage to get so many site hits ??? My site has been in the web for a couple of years. I don't think I got more than 200 hits total. My site is linked to many places. Sites I should say. I have three. What is in your line of key words? My site is primarly AF related. However there are many other items at my site. Roger http://www.travel.to/cofa/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7911	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

Concerning the 293 noted on eBay: Hmmmm...I bought my 293, last summer, in somewhere between VG+ to EXC- (I think) complete with coal pusher & trailing truck from a local hobby shop for $110. And, further, the manager let me try it out on their layout to make sure it ran OK before I bought it. No wonder the one on eBay didn't get any bids. It looks horrible. Wonder how well it runs (if at all) :-) Just commenting... F. P. Kopetz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7912	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

Hey! I bid $15.00 and still didn't meet the reserve! I emailed him to see what he'd take for it and let him know that from the picture it was in good condition at best (and that's probably stretching some). Roger Petrella Franktown, CO FKopetz@... wrote: > Concerning the 293 noted on eBay: > > Hmmmm...I bought my 293, last summer, in somewhere between VG+ to EXC- > (I think) complete with coal pusher & trailing truck from a local hobby shop > for $110. > And, further, the manager let me try it out on their layout to make sure it > ran OK before I bought it. > > No wonder the one on eBay didn't get any bids. It looks horrible. Wonder how > well it runs (if at all) :-) > > Just commenting... > > F. P. Kopetz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/936/7/_/494531/_/954547543/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7913	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Year End Results

These results say something about the size of the American Flyer market!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7914	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Off the subject but relevant

Hi gang, I need some help. I had a most beautiful Ives loco from the 1915s era dropped in my lap to get running. When I removed the motor assemble from the shell the problem was apparent. There was no armature in there and a few wires had been disconnected. If anyone out there knows anyone that handles parts for Ives, I most urgently need a E-mail address for them. I Have scrounged through old TCA Headquarters Quarterlies , etc., and have found a name or two but none with an Email address. Since this is a gratis job I don't particularly want to spend $$ on long distance phone calls. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Steve Blackburn RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7915	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ebay train insanity

In a message dated 3/31/00 2:00:03 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: > Subject: Price of some eBay items (from David Dewey) > > Hi all, > Think the AF prices sometimes go crazy? check out this auction! > Item #291765790 David ol' Buddy, You ain't seen nuttin yet. Check out this Lionel Insanity over a piece of cardboard....Item#287302012 Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7916	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

If you look at this auction, it was ended after one bid, and the auction only ran for 3 hours! Last I checked, there were no 3 hour auctions on eBay. This item was pulled for some reason! Actually under the dirt, there might be a nice piece. I am not sure you can tell that from the picture.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7917	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Site gone

Oh NOoooo. My site ( travel.to/cofa ) is gone. :o( Another site at fortune city is gone. :o( This is my AF train museum site. I never messed with it. Any clues how I can find out what happened? Help Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7918	From: The Reis's	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Off the subject but relevant

Try Al cox in Seattle, he has most everything in these sort of items. He doesn't advertise much any more but he still has most everything. Al Cox 18025 8th NW Shoreline, Wa. 98177 206-546-2230 email ???? eric reis kenmore, wa ----- Original Message ----- From: boss31@... To: S-Trains@onelist.com Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 6:45 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Off the subject but relevant Hi gang, I need some help. I had a most beautiful Ives loco from the 1915s era dropped in my lap to get running. When I removed the motor assemble from the shell the problem was apparent. There was no armature in there and a few wires had been disconnected. If anyone out there knows anyone that handles parts for Ives, I most urgently need a E-mail address for them. I Have scrounged through old TCA Headquarters Quarterlies , etc., and have found a name or two but none with an Email address. Since this is a gratis job I don't particularly want to spend $$ on long distance phone calls. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Steve Blackburn RMHR Boise, Idaho ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7919	From: Tom Young	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Ebay train insanity

Heyguys,If this is on the level, ( and I'm not saying it's not ), imagine the dealer's reaction to what he got for this cardboard display. With a no reserve auction he surely wasn't expecting to fetch those kind of bucks. WHAT A COUNTRY Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7920	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trestle

As I may have mentioned earlier--someone in the 1970s tipped me off to MATTE MEDIUM from the local art supply store, recommended to cut it 1 part to 4 parts water. I had a layout last 20+ years with this stuff for ballast glue before I had to tear it out for a move, and I intend to use it again when I get to that point. Roger Hinds wrote: > I added a note to the following: > > > Elmer's glue with a little detergent as a wetting agent > > applied after ballast is in place. > > The perferred detergent, is a drop of liquid ivory soap. > > Elmers glue ??? > > Keep in mind Elmers gets dry and brittle as it ages and > eventualy fails. > > The wood workers version of Elmers is best if you must use it. > This glue is tan colored. It holds up better. > What will happen to these glues in extreme environment changes ? > Many years there was an article on glues. Wish I had it now. > > Around 1962 I bought every kind of glue used for modeling. > In those days Testors was best for plastics. Still is as far as > I am concerned. Good plastic glues have acetone in it. The acetone > (micro)-melts the plastics so they will become one when dryed out. > > I find general epoxy is best for wood models. Elmers WILL fail > after a few years. > > Roger > > Roger > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/7/_/494531/_/954530452/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7921	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 3/31/2000
Subject: Re: Converting to DC

In a message dated 3/31/00 4:00:04 AM EST, S-Trains@onelist.com writes: << Message: 7 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 23:08:58 -0000 From: aag_rlg@... Subject: Re: Digest Number 580 Bruce: If you have been watching this list for the last week or two you know that there have been numerous discussions in regard to conversion to DC from AC. I converted to DC and the reverse units worked the same in DC as in AC. The only modification to the engine for DC is if you do not want to use the reverse unit, but want to change direction with a switch on the power pack. However, a number of people who post to this list operate using DC and feel it is better, so you may want to think twice before you buy an AF transformer if you already have a DC power source. Check out some of the earlier postings re: Why DC? Art >> __________________________________________________ AF transformers will work just fine on a DC system. I have been using mine for many years.You just have to add rectifiers and a reversing switch between the transformer and the track. You can even do like I did and install them inside the transformers, as I did with my 18B and 15B. I'd convert my 30B, but there's no room because of the meters. (I play with my trains and don't worry too much about "collector value"). Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7922	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay

It's returned!! I take it all back, this guy really knows his stuff. Here it is again: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297547028 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297547028> He must have seen us discussing the above item, realised he had it way under valued and and re-listed it. Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Harrington [SMTP:paketpet@...] Sent: 01 April 2000 04:08 To: Roger V. Petrella Jr. Cc: FKopetz@...; S-trains@onelist.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A 293 on ebay If you look at this auction, it was ended after one bid, and the auction only ran for 3 hours! Last I checked, there were no 3 hour auctions on eBay. This item was pulled for some reason! Actually under the dirt, there might be a nice piece. I am not sure you can tell that from the picture. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2120/7/_/494531/_/954558525/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7923	From: Scott Brown	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: 293

I think the seller must be using O'Brien's book. The C9 value is listed at $180. which is his starting price on the auction. Greenberg's is only $115. for excellent condition. So, he may not be that far off. And I'm sure there is some fool out there willing to pay the price. I emailed the seller and asked him to please post that fool's name and address on here so we can all sell him our junk at premium prices too. :-) Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers/ Washington & Old Dominion Chapter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7924	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 293

Scott, I think he is a long way off, even by his own grading system: I also find it interesting that there is a 63% discrepancy between two guide books for the same item, either someone is trying to drive the prices up or someone doesn't know their subject matter. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ ITCA Condition Rating Please note that all items listed will be rated by the following condition rating Condition Description Mint Brand new, never used. Flawless Near Mint Appears brand new, except on close inspection may have very minor imperfections. Excellent Perfect working order. Complete, very little wear. All original. May have very minor, light chips, rubs or scratches. Very Good Above average, played with but taken care of. Complete and in working order unless otherwise stated. May or may not show minor overall wear,paint loss, minor scratches, minor scuffs, lines, nicks, chips, etc. Good Average condition, well played with, possibly missing parts. May show scratches, dents, dings, paint loss. Restorable Needs or would be more desirable if restored. Will have paint loss, scratches, dents, may have some surface rust and missing parts. Other problems as noted. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ -----Original Message----- From: Scott Brown [SMTP:sbrown56@...] Sent: 01 April 2000 14:10 To: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 293 Scott, I think he is a long way off even by his own grading system: I also find it interesting that there is a 63% discrepancy between two guide books for the same item, either someone is trying to drive the prices up or doesn't know their subject matter. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ ITCA Condition Rating Please note that all items listed will be rated by the following condition rating Condition Description Mint Brand new, never used. Flawless Near Mint Appears brand new, except on close inspection may have very minor imperfections. Excellent Perfect working order. Complete, very little wear. All original. May have very minor, light chips, rubs or scratches. Very Good Above average, played with but taken care of. Complete and in working order unless otherwise stated. May or may not show minor overall wear,paint loss, minor scratches, minor scuffs, lines, nicks, chips, etc. Good Average condition, well played with, possibly missing parts. May show scratches, dents, dings, paint loss. Restorable Needs or would be more desirable if restored. Will have paint loss, scratches, dents, may have some surface rust and missing parts. Other problems as noted. ____________________________________________________________________________ ___________ I think the seller must be using O'Brien's book. The C9 value is listed at $180. which is his starting price on the auction. Greenberg's is only $115. for excellent condition. So, he may not be that far off. And I'm sure there is some fool out there willing to pay the price. I emailed the seller and asked him to please post that fool's name and address on here so we can all sell him our junk at premium prices too. :-) Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers/ Washington & Old Dominion Chapter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/954594555/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7925	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: 293 ON EBAY

Not for $180.00. The condition is worse than my 290 for $85.00. Thanks to the Vanacores I paid $125 for my 293 in E- condition. Let's deal with the people who know. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Subject: RE: A 293 on ebay It's returned!! I take it all back, this guy really knows his stuff. Here it is again: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297547028 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=297547028> He must have seen us discussing the above item, realised he had it way under valued and and re-listed it. Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7926	From: michael prell	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: might be helpful someday!

Hay! Ya never know! Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7927	From: glenn sarlitto	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 293

Just a few thoughts about pricing. I am a real estate appraiser by profession and find American Flyer an interesting subject in regards to pricing. Demand and supply always plays a major role in regards to market value. One good example to this is the recent influx of Flyer catalogs over the internet. Around Christmas time last year a 1958 Mint Catalog was selling between $80- $100. I remember one sold for over $100. A gentleman in California found over 100 of these catalogs still in the original box. He also had boxes of the years 55,56 and 57. Needless to say, the 58's sold for $20 each. He sold them in lots of 25. Within the month, those who purchased these placed them on ebay and sold them for close to $100. After a while the price dropped to less than $75. I still see them popping up and are now selling for less than $50. It will be interesting to see how low they can go and then once the supply has run out and the dust has settled, to see how high they will go. S'incerely S'ubmitted Sgauger2000 Glenn Sarlitto Milwaukee, WI Origanl Message From: Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> To: S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 7:09 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: 293 >I think the seller must be using O'Brien's book. The C9 value is listed at $180. >which is his starting price on the auction. Greenberg's is only $115. for >excellent condition. So, he may not be that far off. And I'm sure there is some >fool out there willing to pay the price. I emailed the seller and asked him to >please post that fool's name and address on here so we can all sell him our junk >at premium prices too. :-) > >Scott Brown >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers/ Washington & Old Dominion Chapter > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/954594555/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7928	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hey Gang, The April list is posted(no foolin'). A huge influx of operator grade merchandise with operator grade pricing. Happy Hunting! Mark B. Preman Click on this: http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7929	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 4/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 2, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7930	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Conversion Ruler

Hi Guy"S" ; I have a scale conversion ruler made by "general". This is ruler # 1251 Made of stainless steel, made for model railroad drawing conversions. Anyway, On the "S"cale conversion side there is a glaring error. From the 0 to 1 measures 1/8" rather than 3/16". This could mess up a model someone is working on, if not noticed. Anyone else notice this ? Comments ??? In the NH news. The Real "Flying Yankee" (under going major renovations) was destroyed in a fire at the facility doing the work. A sad day for Rail buffs. :o( Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7931	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Flying Yankee

About the Flying Yankee fire. --------> April fools. Couldn't send it yesterday. My hard Drive was down. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7932	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: My site

My site is back. It seems the opening page dissappeared. The one you see now is temporary. Click on the map to get into my site. The site was down for a short while. Glad I caught it early. The first image is gone. It was my heading "CROSSROADS OF AMERICA". The rest of the site seems to be there. Roger HTTP://travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7933	From: S-Trains@onelist.com	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 2, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7934	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Club Car Project

Hi All, The Virginia Central Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers is excited to announce our first ever club car project for 2000. The project will be the first ever American Models TOFC. Our car will be a custom decorated Overnite Transportation trailer on a wood floor, die cast C&O flat car. The car will have rub rails, chocking, and fifth wheel. We have an order form on my home page at: http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/ACSGclubcar.html There are two versions of the order form. If you are not able to print either we will mail you a hard copy. Send a stamped/addressed envelope to: Wayne Beachy 12612 Staffordshire St. Midlothian, VA 23113-2849 Hurry, this is a very limited run. Also, stay tuned for future sensational club car projects in future years. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7935	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

If anyone is interested. Last person left the chat room this morning at 12:20 AM There were about thirteen or fourteen members on line at one time. Several others dropped in and out from time to time. It appears that the armature in my rex is toast. Time for it to become a nice looking paper weight.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7936	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: 3/16 man a must have figure.

Picked up a Road Champs WF Stone Cold Austin drag racer with a figure for $1. Was $4. This is worth it. It has Austin 3/16 in white letters on his shirt. Guest I will go back and buy the other two. Can't get painted S figure for a dollar. Match box has a girl kissing the winner of a race so for you guys that want modern stuff you can build a drag strip along the outside of your moduals and the kids will love it. I think I will make it removeable just for laughs. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7937	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: for sale

Hi listees: Ron Aboussafy who isn't a list member yet but who is a member of the Canadian S scale group has the following for sale. I have no connection with Ron other than 3/16th one. Deal with him directly at abousaf@... for sale or trade: One AF GP7 truck sideframe, one K5 312 boiler shell. 0-8-0, Omnicon F7a and F7b, two Sunset GP7s, F3 Brass unpowered, three multi-cast 4-4-2s, one 4-6-4, one K5, one 18b transformer. You can phone him at 604-859-3635. the area code indicates he lives in the vancouver area so is on Pacific time. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7938	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Creating a New Web Site.

Where would you build a web site if you were starting over? Thanks in advance Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7939	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Creating a New Web Site.

Look at http://www.homepage.com You can see my under construction web site at http:/www.americanflyer.homepage.com :-) JAMES SLEETH wrote: > Where would you build a web site if you were starting over? Thanks in > advance Jim Sleeth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7940	From: Chaudiere, Dale	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Catenary for AM GG-1

Hi All, Has anyone built a catenary system for their AM GG-1? Also any tricks to tapping into the panagraph? Since the AM GG-1 is setup to always start in a certain direct after being off for more than 10s, I was only going to connect the panagraph on what would be the rear when going in this direction. I was going to place the sheet metal screw securing the panagraph to the top of the GG-1 with a machine screw that extended inside the body shell. This way I could use a nut to hold a wire terminal to the bolt on the inside. I was also considering mounting a small switch accessible through the bottom of the chassis to reverse the polarity of the panagraph in case I want to put the engine on the tracks in the other direction sometime. Also has one else had problems with the AM uncoupler shoe using AF switches. On most of my couplers on the AM PRR set of five heavy weight passenger cars, the uncouper shoe arm is slightly curved. The clear the AF switch point just fine. However a few of the uncoupler arms are straight (at 45deg), which puts them about 1/32" lower. These uncoupler arms ride up on the point of one of my AF switches, uncoupling the car. Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7941	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Creating a New Web Site. ]

>Where would you build a web site if you were starting over? Well the Trainweb folks offer space to not for profit folks. You will need to know a bit about FTP and how to get your pages onto their server. http://www.Homestead.com has an interesting site. It has no 'banners' or 'pop-ups'. It has a tool for making your front page. I used netscape composer for all my back pages. here is an example http://www.homestead.com/alaska_99/ and I stuck all the content pages in /alaska_99/files/ directory. These are both FREE options. If you want folks to be able to type in sleeth.com and find your site, all you do is pit your site anywhere you like, then regerister that name to point to http://www.homestead.com/sleeth or whatever. That costs $35/year and you sign up for 2 years. Most folks don't need their own domain, but it is nice if you are forced to move to a new server. That is why I bought s-trains.com, if I ever need to move to a new server I can always point S-Trains.com to the new location. Hope this helps. Contact me off list if you need help in this area. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7942	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/3/2000
Subject: Re: The little people

The Target in my area always has 1/64th vehicles with the prices slashed down. Picked up many a Racing Champ {such as 'Stock Rod' series} for a buck + and stripped off the logos. Winners Circle puts out a car with a pit crew of about five, I think. take those litle guys and repaint 'em! Winners Circle also puts out a car with 12,..count 'em, 12 little guys, for about $10. I cut one in half and put in a convertible, the bottom half under a car. That makes 13 little guys for ten bucks!! Doesn't really take to long to paint 'em. Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7943	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Surplus of AF Rolling Stock

I have 4 AF freight cars that are duplicates or are not needed. I would sell or trade any or all of these cars. I would be interested in a log unloading flat car, or a 283 or 293 engine in good working condition. The cars I have available are: 976 Operating Cattle Car, very good condition, working, vibrates weakly, $55. 929 Cattle Car, Missouri Pacific, very good condition, $20. 641 Gondola, red plastic in good++ condition $15. 629 Cattle Car, Missouri Pacific, poor condition, repaired crack on roof, warped, 1 link coupler, 1 knuckle coupler, will go down the track. If anyone is interested, I can email a picture. These cars are on my layout. I need to clear some sidings. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7944	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 585

Hello, Checkout Model Memories, they have very nice catenary for S scale. Go to: http://www.info-4u.com/modelmemories/ kbt > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:57:09 -0700 > From: "Chaudiere, Dale" <Dale.Chaudiere@...> > Subject: Catenary for AM GG-1 > > Hi All, > > Has anyone built a catenary system for their AM GG-1? Also any > tricks to tapping into the panagraph? Since the AM GG-1 is setup > to always start in a certain direct after being off for more than > 10s, I was only going to connect the panagraph on what would be > the rear when going in this direction. I was going to place the > sheet metal screw securing the panagraph to the top of the GG-1 > with a machine screw that extended inside the body shell. This > way I could use a nut to hold a wire terminal to the bolt on the > inside. I was also considering mounting a small switch accessible > through the bottom of the chassis to reverse the polarity of the > panagraph in case I want to put the engine on the tracks in the > other direction sometime. > > Also has one else had problems with the AM uncoupler shoe using > AF switches. On most of my couplers on the AM PRR set of five > heavy weight passenger cars, the uncouper shoe arm is slightly > curved. The clear the AF switch point just fine. However a few > of the uncoupler arms are straight (at 45deg), which puts them > about 1/32" lower. These uncoupler arms ride up on the point > of one of my AF switches, uncoupling the car. > > Dale

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7945	From: Ted Larson	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: non-S Products

I have started a web page for non-S products that are usable in S. It is on Paul Yorke's website, http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ Click on: Navigation Page, S-Trains Features Non-S With Potential Several of you have sent me suggestions that are not included on this page yet. They will be added. If you have any comments on the items already listed, please inform me. Keep those cards and letters coming in. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7946	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: (no subject)

- Greeting`S' - Several have written about converting AC to DC for train operation. Here is a bit of ASCII art which I hope will help. The house supply is presumed to be 60 Hz for which the half-period is 1/120 second. The asterisks indicate the amplitude variation of the voltage with time over one cycle. 7 VAC 14 VAC * * * * * *** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -*-------|-------*-------|-------*----- *-------|-------*-------|-------*---- * * * * * * * * *** * * * * * * * Out of the Rectifier with a load * * * * * * * * * * *** *** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * -*-------|-------*-------|-------*----- *-------|-------*-------|-------*---- |<--1/120 sec-->| Out of Rectifier and Capacitor with a 1 A load *** *** * -****** * -****** ***** ***** ** - - - - ****** ****** - - - - - ****** - ******* - ****** - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -X-------|-------X-------|-------X----- X-------|-------X-------|-------X---- ASCII is not very pretty, is it? The added dashes or `X's show the voltage dips which have been removed by the charge stored in the capacitor. The graph presumes a capacitor in the neighborhood of 10,000 microfarads. Yes, the capacitor is polarized and the reversing switch must be located in the wiring after the group comprised of rectifier and capacitor and before the track connection. My road operates on DC with sequence reversing on some locos and polarity reversing on others. If it is a loco which needed major maintenance on the reversing unit, a loco with a two-step reverser, or a loco with a manual reversing switch under the cab roof, it has likely been converted to polarity reversing. It is pleasing to have a light-tendered Atlantic go over a 90 degree crossing without having its reverse unit add a new comedy routine to the operation. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7947	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] (unknown)

Rhett, Neat idea, I joined the dots together and came up with a drawing of the Marylin Monroe nude calander photo!!! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7948	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/4/2000
Subject: Unique Items

Did you guys notice I have an American Models CRESCENT LIMITED like new or mint (I don't know which) in the box in the steam section of the list? E-mail if you would like a picture. I also have a beautiful custom painted Alco A-B consist in Rio Grande colors and scheme. It is a Gilbert one motor Alco in excellent running condition. There is a picture of this gorgeous set in the Diesel section of the list-click on the diesel icon. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7949	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: OT by 1 1/3

- Greeting`S' - Here's hoping one of you with whom much wisdom resides will share a few words regarding a pre-WW II AF 0-6-0 of diecast construction and largely built to scale standards. Also, did the transfer of manufacturing from Chicago to New Haven coincide with the introduction of the 3/16" scale bodies on O-gauge wheels? Did this occur around 1937? Thanks for illumination. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7950	From: john foley	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks Tom Doherty of Pennsylvania Heritage Models just called. Seems he won S scale locomotive Model of the Year Award 1999 from Model Railroader. Tom says thanks to all the folks that helped him and the folks that made it a success by buying them. And thanks for the votes. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7951	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Aboussaf e-mail address

Earlier this week I sent out the e-mail address of a gentleman in Vancouver, B.C. who has some S scale for sale. I mistyped the e-mail address. It should be aboussaf@... cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7952	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Bristol Club at Greenberg Show, Wilmington MA

I've posted a report and some pictures of the Bristol Club Modular layout at last weekend's Greenberg show on the Bristol Club website. You can go directly to it at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Shows/GreenbergApril2000/Greenberg.html (all that needs to be on one line) or you can get to it from our home page at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html Let me know what you think! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7953	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bristol Club at Greenberg Show, Wilmington MA

Bill, Oh great, now we're going to have to detail the entire insides of our tunnels and other hidden trackside stuff! Looks facinating, when will you put up an online movie? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7954	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Missouri Pacific Photo Page photos added.

This week I added some more photos to my Missouri Pacific Photo web page. 99% of them are modern freight cars. Below is what is on the site. Just look for the New Icon next to the text. Enjoy. Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ MP 50' boxcar #366301 (not a UP repaint) MP 60' DD boxcar #267147 (not a UP repaint) MP 80' woodchip open hopper #592383 (not a UP repaint) Soo Line flatcar #5149 MILW bulkhead flatcar #67233 Soo Line bulkhead flatcar #5939 Soo Line flatcar #5116 Soo Line flatcar #5022 Soo Line flatcar #5799 ATSF center depress flatcar #90007 Soo Line flatcar #5027 Soo Line flatcar #5605 Soo Line flatcar #5122 ACFX 3 bay covered hopper #59688 BN (Frisco) 2 bay covered hopper #462565 BN 18 rib covered grain hopper #449045 BNSF 50' double plug door boxcar #728273 BNSF (ATSF) 50' plug door mec. reefer #935016 CEFX 3 bay covered hopper #11678 CNW 13 rib 3 bay covered hopper #170446 CNW FMC 3 bay covered hopper #178891 CNW cylindrical 4 bay covered hopper #460071 CNW 18 rib covered hopper #752129 CP 50' plug door boxcar #166516 DNAX tank car #27408 DRGW 3 bay coal car #17813 FLMX 3 bay covered hopper #52207 Gateway Western SW1500 #4399 HONX 4 bay covered hopper #1020 IBT 50' double door boxcar #19856 KCS 60' waffle boxcar #125576 KCS 50' boxcar #250988 KCS 18 rib 3 bay covered hopper #309547 KCS SW1000 #4300 KCS 50' boxcar #160113 KCS 50' boxcar #749025 KCS 50' boxcar #752045 MHFX 50' gondola #5658 NAHX 3 bay covered hopper #516137 NRLX 3 bay coverd hopper #5153 SLSF 50' boxcar #700262 SMNX 3 bay covered hopper #629 Southern 60' double door boxcar #16021 SP 40' ballast car #480057 TASD 50' boxcar #78464 Tom Stolte Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7955	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: S-DeSignS is ONLINE

If any of you are into painting and decorating your own S diesel engines, freight cars or cabooses... you might find some of my S decals of interest. www.s-designs.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7956	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/5/2000
Subject: Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club

Hi All, Great American Train Store has started a yahoo club much like the one Paul has started for us . The problem I had was they never mention S-gauge! So I sent them a posting which immediately dissapeared from the archives. Following is the dialogue between myself and one of the sites founders. Maybe if we flood Great American Train Stores with a bunch of e-mails they might hear us and start carrying some of the S-gauge starter sets. Chris Burger My original e-mail to "Yahoo!Clubs More Trains Than You Can Handle" From: cbtrainnut@...[SMTP:cbtrainnut@...] > To: michael.gibbons@... > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine > > Wow! What happened to post number 172??? I posted a message the other day > about S-Gauge trains being the best and that The employees in the Great > American Train Store need to stop referring to S-Gauge as the dead gauge. > I also made a statement that the store should try a new starter set from > S-Helper Service and see how well it sells. I must have offended someone > in this club because my comments were removed a few days later, after only > one person got to reply. I would like to know who removed my comments from > the club list and why. Is LYINEL funding the GATS? Please contact me at my > e-mail address at cbtrainnut@.... Hopefully you won't remove this > e-mail. > Club Founders Reply" Our club's mission is simple: we are trying to promote model railroading as a hobby among those who might be interested in taking it up. We believe it is vital for all of the posts on our board to be positive and appealing to those who are just getting a start and looking to club members for assistance and encouragement. The founders try to focus our discussions in the posts on helpful hints, new products, exciting news from the industry, and topics of that nature. We believe we also provide hobbyists a benefit by enabling them the opportunity to chat online monthly with industry insiders, experts, and veterans such as H. Lee Riley, Bachmann's Director of Product Development, and Dick Maddox, Lionel's President. Randy and I think that doing whatever we can to bring more people into model railroading will eventually be beneficial to all. We also believe the majority of club members would prefer this positive type of environment. After all, in the long run a larger customer base for the manufacturers means increased production, lower costs, development of a broader range of products, and ultimately lower costs for everyone. Regarding your message, we felt it was not consistent with our objectives and might serve to push people away from the club rather than to bring people into the fold. We did pass your comments regarding S Gauge along to The Great Train Store's train buyer. If you do have specific comments regarding The Great Train Store, its product selection, or its employees, you might send email to conductor@..., and your comments will be forwarded to the appropriate person within the company. Thank you for participating in our club. Either of the founders would be happy to answer any other questions you might have. Regards, Michael Gibbons My reply to Michael Thanks for replying to my e-mail! I think it's great that you have started this site for new hobbyist of model railroading. I also agree with your thoughts about not driving away newbies with negative comments about the hobby. The thing I don't agree with is the fact that your site does NOT mention S-gauge. If you want to attract new people to the hobby , do not misinform them as to what is available in the hobby. Yes ,there is a limited number of items available in s-gauge, but in your own words,:"After all, in the long run a larger customer base for the manufacturers means increased production, lower costs, development of a broader range of products, and ultimately lower costs for everyone."You also stated"The founders try to focus our discussions in the posts on helpful hints, new products, exciting news from the industry, and topics of that nature. We believe we also provide hobbyists a benefit by enabling them the opportunity to chat online monthly with industry insiders, experts, and veterans such as H. Lee Riley, Bachmann's Director of Product Development, and Dick Maddox, Lionel's President. " New products and exciting news,check out American Models and S-helper Service in S-gauge! Chat with president? I'm quite sure Don Thompson from S-Helper Service would be willing to do this also. There is a tremendous amount of Growth happening in s-gauge. And the more people see it, the more they want to find out about the gauge. Many of the O-gauge accesories being reproduced today are of American Flyer s-gauge accesories, eg: The barrel loader from Lionel and the Coaling Tower from MTH. S-gauge is larger than the more fragile HO gauge and just a bit smaller than O-gauge. Every bit of scale detail on the new s-gauge trains as the Other gauges, and amazingly, only 2, that's right, only 2 rails! It's hefty like o-gauge trains and the new S-Helper track is a good as the Bachmann track and Rite track from MTH. I hope this will pique your interest in learning more about what is happening in S-Gauge, and why more and more people are going to S! Thanks again for your time. Sincerely, Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7957	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club

Well, I just posted there too, here 'tis; Don't know if this group is aware of this, but S gauge is growing! There are three major manufactures making S "highrail" and one has a new catalog out that looks and reads like the "good old day" including a series of "starter sets" that should be great hit this Christmas season. Plus, (avoiding naming names--no advertising here!) one "Old-Line" manufacturer is making an operating oil drum loader from the AF tooling, and one of the "new guys" is introducing a coal loader that visualy replicates the good old AF one. S gauge--we're on the move!! To mis-quote Darth Vader, "Come over to the "right size" Luke!" BTW, this is a great club, good place to share information and help. S'incerely, Train David Hope they like it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7958	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Yahoo Train club.

The name of the Yahoo Train club I talked about is titled "Yahoo!Clubs More Trains Than You Can Handle" Go to this club title on yahoo to join this particular club and to post messages. The founder that I spoke with is Michael . michael.gibbons@... can e-mail him directly about including s-gauge in their postings, or you can e-mail to The Great Train Store at conductor@.... Hope this clears thing up a litlle better. CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7959	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: S-train info.

Hello; I hope you will consider adding Information on "S" guage at your "great american train store" site. There are many "S" train products available. Also there are many "S" web sites. An unbeleivable amount now that I think about it. I own a museum that has a large "S" train layout on display. This is our feature attraction. We get thousands of people each year comeing to see this display. The interest is there, please help to promote this scale. This museum can be seen at http://www.travel.to/cofa Thanks Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7960	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: warm weather

Ok guy"S" ; Now that the warm weather is upon us the traffic at this site will drop up considerly. The drop outs are still interested in S-Trains. However they are draw to take care of spring cleaning and out door activities. Perhaps we could coax them into outdoor "S" trains. :o) Anyway, they wiil be back. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7961	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Parts

I am going to Mass. this spring. I wish to stop at Doug Peck's place to get AF parts. Does he have a shop ? Anybody have an address for it? Thanks Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7962	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great American Train Stores Yahoo Club: Send PHOTOS!

HI everyone, Besides my posting, I discovered they have a photo section. All you with photos on the web of your trains, let's post 'em!! I added an album "A Celebration of Toy Trains" where I linked my Daylight photo. Linking photos takes less web space, and your photo is more likely to stay, although I also did post one from my computer in the "Contest" album (WP2001, full size). The future is in S!!!! "Come over to the "right size" Luke!" s' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7963	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GATS

We have a couple of GATS stores in the Boston area, and whenever they get a customer in that inquires about S, they pass them my card. I've spoken to the managers about carrying S in the GATS, and the reply is that they would like to do so, because they've seen the interest, BUT the corporate office dictates what all stores carry, and corporate says no to S..............at least so far. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7964	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Coon Gap Sawmill Status

Howdy Friends The end is near! We are wrapping up the laser cutting of the S scale sawmill, and are cleaning up the instruction manual. Just about everything is ready to go into the box and out of here! With over 2,000 parts, including 200+ detail castings in brass, urethane, and white metal, it has been a real chore getting this one done. We expect to start shipping kits in about a week. We have added another page to our web site with additional photos of the complete mill. Please note that we have not added a handful of detail castings, clutter, sawdust, etc. This is about a clean as you will ever see a sawmill! And no, the smoke stacks are not bent... the digital camera did not enjoy the angle of the photos. To see these photos, go to the mill page - http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm then about half way down you will see a blinking line of text... click there for more photos. There will only be 75 kits ever made. We have about 10 not reserved, including three with sound, so if you want one, get your order to us immediately. Thanks, and take care, Bill PS - We intend to ship kits in the sequence that the orders were received. However, if the balance of your payment has not been received when we are ready to ship your kit, we will have to move on to the next order in line. Second pickup notices have been mailed. -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7965	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/6/2000
Subject: Future problems for all importers?

Hi everyone, Just read an interesting tale on the Pecos River Brass site involving Customs, trademarks and government red tape, including what seems to me to be confisaction of property--and the guy has to pay $30 a day storage on it while it's confiscated! Any idea what that does to the pre-item price? Seems to me Boston had a tea party over less. . . Here's the URL, I'm not sure it's proper to cut and paste the text here. http://www.pecosriverbrass.com/news/johnsviews.html S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7966	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Gone To York

Back in a week with a van load of "S". (I hope) Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7967	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: large motor 326 Hudson for sale

I am selling a large motor 326 Hudson in very good cosmetic condition, and excellent running shape. I am offering it to the members of this list for $315 plus shipping and insurance. I don't have a digital camera to provide pictures, but attached is a picture of one from eBay that is reasonably representative along with a detailed description of the one I'm selling. I'm sure this engine would fetch more on eBay. However, I'd like to first offer it to you as I have a higher degree of confidence it will find a new owner-operator that will provide it the same degree of TLC that I have. Please email me if you are interested. Thank you. <<326 on eBay 3-22-00.jpg>> < - - not the one for sale but similar with the following details to add Graphics - the 326 on the right side is intact and EX. - the 326 on the left side has a weak 3 (40% there), and slightly stronger 2 and 6 (50%), but all are legible. - left-side tender markings are clearly visible and strong - right-side tender markings have a couple shortcomings - American Flyer Lines is VG+ all readable, the CEN in CENTRAL is missing and the outer ring of the NYC logo is missing from 9:00 to 10:00. Handrails/ladder/stanchions/steps - all engine and tender handrails are present - all chrome handrails are shiny bright, black ones are black. - the tender's ladder loop is present (however, missing in the photo of the example 326) - front left stanchion is original, right stanchion is repro, might be able to provide original but the stem is missing. Repro looks good. - all engine and tender steps are intact, only the left rear tender step has ever been off, but it was glued well and the repair is hard to notice. Paint - engine high spots and edges have wear, but no dents, no cracks, no long (i.e. >3/8") scratches, no rust. - engine paint has a nice deep satin black, shiny but not glossy look. - tender high spots and edges/corners show wear, but no dents, no cracks, no long scratches, no rust. (actually better than photo) - tender paint has nice satin black finish. Mechanical and operation - large 3/4" winding motor. - runs strong, fast, smooth and smoky, Gilbert would burst with pride. - top speed 132.3 scale mph (around a 230.67" 4-sided oval with a 15B) - Pulmor rims in excellent condition, all other wheels too. - headlight works - reverse unit works crisply, choo-choo's clearly. - left front and middle drivers are white, EX, no cracks; rear driver has some darkening no cracks. - right front and middle drivers are white, EX, no cracks; rear driver has one crack and was once reglued onto the rim. - all motor mounts are fine. - was rewired with a modern cloth-covered 4 wire harness, and cloth-covered 5th wire. - spring loaded tender pick up shoes are present. - tender knuckle coupler operates well. - chrome linkages and rods on both sides are shiny. Price - $315 plus shipping and insurance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7968	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Port Lines

In a message dated 4/7/00 4:28:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << I am going to Mass. this spring. I wish to stop at Doug Peck's place to get AF parts. Does he have a shop ? Anybody have an address for it? >> Roger--- Why not ask me directly! Yes, we have a shop (out of the house), but during the school-year. our hours are evenings (7-9:30 PM), and Saturdays (2-5:30 PM) only. With minimal exceptions. Always call first to inquire about our hours each partcular week. We are 1 block off of I-95. Will give you (or anyone else) specific directions when you call. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7969	From: john foley	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Cool web site

HI Folks Here's a great web site you may find a use for. http://paintshop.railfan.net/ John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7970	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: New 2000 AF items

You Flyer Guys, I got my call today informing me that all of my new 2000 AF items is on the way. So get down to your dealers to clam yours. Good luck, George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7971	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: LA trip and trains stores

I got to visit Allied Trains. Big store, much in terms of new Z through Garden gauge, some ACG AF, not a lot, but do have a knowledgeable staff. Will always try to at least stop in on future trips if I have some time after arriving at LAX. Sought out Electric Train Company, only to get no answer at their phone number and find the store is closed. Sad scene, and to think that's where just a couple of years ago I met some nice Flyer folks and purchased my 919 and 761 in great condition at fair market prices. Well at least I have by those pieces to evoke the memory. I can only hope those folks are OK too. Called, but didn't make it to, Classic Trains. A very helpful man on the phone looked quickly to see if he had any of the items I am presently looking for. He didn't find any of them. I'd recommend calling or emailing a message a few days in advance to give him adequate time to look everywhere in his inventory. Since returning to VA I found a flyer with notes on it from when I bought some things from CT while just getting bitten by the Flyer bug when we were still living in San Diego in 1995. Small world. Del Mar was beautiful as usual and especially fun to stay in because the Coaster, an Amtrak passenger train, and even some freight trains zip right through the beach area and park. Although it was sad to see the Del Mar train station shut down and boarded up. I think that happened since we moved away. We were actually fortunate enough to see a 10 to 12 header, that's right 10 to 12 diesels, pulling about 3 freight cars north to LA. It was odd looking, but cool. And oh yes, Disneyland is encircled by the Disneyland railroad. Three, up to four, live steam engine powered passenger trains constantly make their way around the perimeter of the park taking patrons to different stops along the way and passing through several "shows" along the way - - the Grand Canyon, prehistoric times, that sort of thing. They are not full size steamer, but I think narrow gauge. Quite large actually. Not the little jobbies you see, and we enjoy riding as well, at "live steam" events and parks. PS Many of the low-level tressesl that the coastal rail line uses between San Diego and LA appeared to be wooden. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7972	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: LA continued

Somehow that one got sent before I meant to send it, or got to spell check it. Anyway, I wanted to mention that Walt Disney was apparently a train nut. He had a 1/8 scale railroad built throughout the grounds and rose gardens of his private home. Much to the chagrin of his wife. Sound familiar? Also got to visit the San Diego Model Railroad Museum in Balboa Park. Always worth a look. No S yet. Maybe that'll change some day. My wife still wants us to retire there, but that's still many, many years from now. The steamer in Campo is running, but not until late April. You can take the train to visit the Tecate Beer Brewery. Ah, aren't train people smart. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7973	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LA continued --Walt Disney

Yep, Walt was a major train buff. His train barn has been moved and restored to the Travel Town site of the LA Live Steamers. Quite a few of the early Disney crew were train buffs, one of the most noted was Ward Kimball who had a full-sized narrow-gauge railroad in his backyard. It is now preserved at the Perris, CA location of the Orange Empire Museum. The locos at Disneyland are narrow gauge, but real stuff. Also, the riverboat is, or was, real steam powered too. The guy who actually runs it stands in the back, on the bottom deck. The guy in the pilot house is mostly "window dressing," although he does serve a safety function, much as the conductor did in the caboose. Interesting things you can learn on a rainy day before they close the park for lack of enough visitors! Best visit I ever had! Now if I could just get to see the underground Disneyland (and you thought you were walking around on real land??). What does this have to do with model railroading? Well, just think of the park as the world's largest layout! It's all an illusion! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7974	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LA trip and trains stores

DAve wrote: <<I got to visit Allied Trains. Big store, much in terms of new Z through Garden gauge, some ACG AF, not a lot, but do have a knowledgeable staff. Will always try to at least stop in on future trips if I have some time after arriving at LAX.>> Allied Trains is by far the beautiful train store I have ever been too. A 'must see' for any toy train enthusiast. Service is helpful, too -- just do not expect any fabulous bargains. << Sought out Electric Train Company, only to get no answer at their phone number and find the store is closed. Sad scene, and to think that's where just a couple of years ago I met some nice Flyer folks and purchased my 919 and 761 in great condition at fair market prices. Well at least I have by those pieces to evoke the memory. I can only hope those folks are OK too.>> Sad news. I always sought out the Electric Train Company when I was visiting in southern CA. The store was run by nice, helpful, (and fair) folk, who were very knowledgeable when it came to maintanance and repairs of ACG AF. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7975	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: O-27 box cars

Can anyone identify the prototype for the Lionel O-27 box cars 9043-9048? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7976	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra L Roberts	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: The Great Train Store Reply

This is the response I got from The Great Train Store : We currently do not stock S in our stores for several reasons. We tested selling new S gauge products in 4 of our higher volume model train stores in 1996-97 years with little success. The product was not turning on our shelves, we sold S-helper, American Models, K-Line track and Lionel AF products to name a few. We require higher turn rates than most hobby businesses due to our high overhead (mall priced rents) and the S gauge products just did not make the cut with less than one turn. The poor turn was due to lack of interest in new S gauge products that we had in our test stores. One of the other issues is the limited availability of products. I know that there is twice as much product being produced today as there was two and three years ago but I still need higher turn rates. S gauge is not the only line that has fallen from our shelves, we also have dropped Marklin, Fleishmann, TT gauge, assorted brass locomotives. All of these lines, according to in store surveys, we were asked to stock them in our stores. Yet all of these lines fell victim to not meeting the required turn rates after we purchased assortments and tested them in our stores. Thank you, Shane Cron Model Train Buyer PS I own several S gauge trains in my collection, my fathers early 50's products, several engines from American Models and one of my favorites American Models Amtrak Superliner Set. I personally like S better than O in the realm of toy trains because of its more realistic appearance. Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:15:37 EDT From: cbtrainnut@... Subject: Yahoo Train club. The name of the Yahoo Train club I talked about is titled "Yahoo!Clubs More Trains Than You Can Handle" Go to this club title on yahoo to join this particular club and to post messages. The founder that I spoke with is Michael . michael.gibbons@... can e-mail him directly about including s-gauge in their postings, or you can e-mail to The Great Train Store at conductor@.... Hope this clears thing up a litlle better. CB [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7977	From: James B. Miller	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: Disney trains

in response to the e-mails concerning Walt Disney and his trains ---- For those who are interested in additional reading on the subject, there is a beautiful book of more than 400 pages put out by Pentrex (the RR video folks), and also available in some book stores. "Walt disney's Railroad Story" by Michael Broggie As I recall from the book, the trains in the Disney parks were originally not part of the park's property, but were owned by Walt's personal corporation. Likewise the people operating them were not part of the park payroll, but rather his personal corporation payroll. I believe it is that same personal corporation that produced the casting that he supplied at one time to the live-steam hobby (for the 4-4-0 that ran around his house). -- jim

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7978	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: 0-27 box cars

I don't know what the prototype is, but they are a very good S scale 40 ft double door box car. I have six of them on my work bench now, painted 6 different shades of box car red. I'm about to letter them with transfers from CDS, of whom you kindly supplied the address a few weeks ago. These cars can be used in s without any modification except changing the trucks, or you can trim the heavy line at the roofline, or alter the height of the car, or whatever you like. I suspect the original of this car can be found in the Car Builder's Cyclopedia, where ACG got so many of their prototypes. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7979	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: non-S

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/hoso/ho-s-o.html If you know of photos on-line that include non-S items on S layouts, please inform me. I will add links to the above page so that people can see the non-S items in use. Thanks, Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division Peregrine Falcons http://home.kodak.com/news/html/000329birdcam.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7980	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 9, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7981	From: Ron Plyler	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

HOW DO I JOIN THE CLUB ROOM? RON PLYLER tallyho@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@egroups.com> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > > Date: Sunday, April 9, 2000 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > > Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. > Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains > Club/Room name is 'S Trains' > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LOW RATE, NO WAIT! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates > as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Learn more at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/937/7/_/494531/_/955238527/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7982	From: Paul Husby	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: TNT car help?

My son and I picked up a chassis for a TNT car today. No walls or roof, of course - they were destroyed in the explosion!! I hadn't been aware of this car, I think it isn't too common. The one good parts seller at the show didn't know of any repro parts available. Does anyone know otherwise? Plan B is to slice up a junk boxcar with my Dremel cutter and make our own. I have a vague idea how to put it together, but I've never seen the original. If someone out there could supply some tips, or if someone with the car and a digital camera could send a pic of the inside, that would be great. Back in the 60's I remember having endless fun with a plastic sedan about 8" long that blew apart when the bumper ran into something. I suspect my kids will have equal fun if I can get this thing going. Thanks, Paul Husby St. Paul, MN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7983	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/8/2000
Subject: Lionel Clocks

Well my lady friend give me a Lionel Clock for Christmas. You know how happy that made me. I told her if it was Lionel it should be three rail. Well my birthday is tomarrow and I start to open up my mothers gift and Pat says I bet it is a Lionel Clock. She was right. I have been anti Lionel for 50 years and now I have to Lionel Clocks. Call me lucky. What picture can I down load to cover that Lionel emblem? Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7984	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: You're invited!

Hello! You have been invited by paul_w_yorke to join the Listed Yahoo! Club named "S Trains". To become a member of this club, just go to the Web address below: http://edit.clubs.yahoo.com/config/sjg?.k=20338f0951fGJRFj paul_w_yorke also sent you a personal message: "Please ignore this note if you are already a member of our S Trains Yahoo club." You need to go to the address above to join, but you can first take a look by going to: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains You can learn more about paul_w_yorke by looking at the Yahoo! Public Profile: http://profiles.yahoo.com/paul_w_yorke Note: This invitation will expire after 7 days, or after being used. A Yahoo! Club is a great way to bring friends, family or anyone you know together using the latest in Web technologies. Club members are able to take advantage of a club's private chat room, message boards and other features. You can also create your own free club focused on any interest, such as hobbies, families and industry associations. Clubs are either listed or unlisted. Listed clubs are available to the public while unlisted clubs are available exclusively to those who receive invitations. If you have no interest in joining this club, there is no need for you to do anything. You will not be enrolled as a member. Thanks, The Yahoo! Clubs team http://clubs.yahoo.com/ P.S. If you need some help on getting started, go to: http://help.yahoo.com/help/clubs/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7985	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clock face

In a message dated 4/9/00 4:27:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << now I have to Lionel Clocks. Call me lucky. What picture can I down load to cover that Lionel emblem? >> We used to use the AF R/W/B cardboard shield as clock faces. They are about 12" square, but could easily be modified. Although we no longer make the clocks, we still have a large supply of the shields, at $3 each. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7986	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 9, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7987	From: john foley	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Fw: Asking for advice!

----- Original Message ----- From: <DPScott190@...> To: <foley164@...> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Asking for advice! Hi Folks I sent may thoughts to David. Maysome of you folks can give David some advice. John Foley > Hi I am David Scott, > > I built a new home two years ago and have dedicated a large room above the > garage for my old American flyer trains as well as some newer items I have > purchased over the last few years. I am ready to buy track. > > My question is: What track system should I use? > > I have seen the American Models system and it seems to be the most complete > with track and turnouts and should work with both my old and new trains. > Showcase also has a new track system but I do not know witch way to go. > > Can you help or would you forward this to those you know that might be able > to shed some light on these two systems? Or is there some other idea you may > have? > > Thanks Dave Scott...(dpscott190@...) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7988	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Reply from GATS

This is the response I got from The Great Train Store : We currently do not stock S in our stores for several reasons. We tested selling new S gauge products in 4 of our higher volume model train stores in 1996-97 years with little success. The product was not turning on our shelves, we sold S-helper, American Models, K-Line track and Lionel AF products to name a few. We require higher turn rates than most hobby businesses due to our high overhead (mall priced rents) and the S gauge products just did not make the cut with less than one turn. The poor turn was due to lack of interest in new S gauge products that we had in our test stores. One of the other issues is the limited availability of products. I know that there is twice as much product being produced today as there was two and three years ago but I still need higher turn rates. S gauge is not the only line that has fallen from our shelves, we also have dropped Marklin, Fleishmann, TT gauge, assorted brass locomotives. All of these lines, according to in store surveys, we were asked to stock them in our stores. Yet all of these lines fell victim to not meeting the required turn rates after we purchased assortments and tested them in our stores. Thank you, Shane Cron Model Train Buyer PS I own several S gauge trains in my collection, my fathers early 50's products, several engines from American Models and one of my favorites American Models Amtrak Superliner Set. I personally like S better than O in the realm of toy trains because of its more realistic appearance. Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:15:37 EDT From: cbtrainnut@... Subject: Yahoo Train club. The name of the Yahoo Train club I talked about is titled "Yahoo!Clubs More Trains Than You Can Handle" Go to this club title on yahoo to join this particular club and to post messages. The founder that I spoke with is Michael . michael.gibbons@... can e-mail him directly about including s-gauge in their postings, or you can e-mail to The Great Train Store at conductor@.... Hope this clears thing up a litlle better. CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7989	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clock face

I have a Lionel wrist watch. The train runs around the face instead of a second hand Larry portlines@... wrote: > In a message dated 4/9/00 4:27:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > > << now I have to Lionel > Clocks. > Call me lucky. What picture can I down load to cover that Lionel > emblem? >> > > We used to use the AF R/W/B cardboard shield as clock faces. They are about > 12" square, but could easily be modified. > Although we no longer make the clocks, we still have a large supply of the > shields, at $3 each. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2121/7/_/494531/_/955297763/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7990	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: Check out A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village - Salem, Ore...

<A HREF="http://www.acgilbert.org/">Click here: A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village - Salem, Ore...</A> ........Found this ?? No trains mentioned on site----just toys. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7991	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/9/2000
Subject: large motor 326 Hudson for sale update

I forgot to mention: - the air chime whistle speaker and capacitor are present, original, and it works fine. - the headlight lens is very likely a reproduction, but clear and bright. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Rolfsmeyer [mailto:silvertom@...] Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 11:39 PM To: david_horn@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] large motor 326 Hudson for sale David, Is the air chime whistle present in the tender? The Greenbergs quide to S Gauge I have list this loco with a air chime whistle. If I is already spoken for just ignore this message. Thanks Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7992	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Lionel Clock and Wristwatch

Folks, No one seems to have mentioned this yet, but, both the official Lionel wristwatch and the licensed Lionel anniversary clock have 2 RAIL TRACK on their faces! Could this be Lionel/American Flyer equipment? I have enjoyed the watch for some time, but the clock sounds and mechanism had died in less than a month. I found a customer service number this weekend and hope to rectify the situation. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7993	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: The Lionel clock

I too have the Lionel clock but not yet covered the Lionel logos! My sound has also pooped out but I assumed it was the batteries as they are seperate from the battery that runs the clock, I haven't changed them, yet! I think all the sound and action takes it's toll on batteries! I think I'll cover the sensor with alittle black tape so the thing isn't going off ALL time!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7994	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: diesel chassis work

Hi Folks, Can anyone elaborate on what rebushing a diesel chassis entails? I have a bunch that are wobbly, and I want to install new bushings. I have a good wheel puller so that problem is conquered. I haven't been able to find a detailed parts diagram for the chassis assembly though. I have thumbed through some parts listings and there are multiple bushing types listed for diesel chassis. If someone can tell me which type goes where, or if different types of chassis use specific types of bushings I can be off and running with the project. If someone has a link to some web based instructions, that would be great also. Thanks in advance, Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7995	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track

Dave---- Here's my "canned" response to trackwork inquiries: Be glad to answer any additional questions you may have. We stock all of these. S-gauge Track Options: (1) Original AF track.........It's the cheapest, but it gets dirty very quickly, and doesn't conduct electricity too well. Needs constant cleaning. Used turnouts, both electric and manual are usually readily available. (2) K-Line makes reproduction AF track. We do not stock it, and do not recommend it. (3) Gargraves track........Available in 3' flexible sections, or in shorter rigid sections. Available with several different radii curves also. Stays cleaner, and conducts electricity very well. Flextrack is the least expensive; $4.25 per 3' section, or $40 / ten pieces. (Remember that in curving it, you are going to lose some length, as you have to cut off the excess inside rail.) Gargraves also makes turnouts (switches), both manual and powered. Garg. track looks like AF track, except that it has multiple, evenly-spaced ties (wooden). It will also mate easily with AF track or switches. Like AF track, however, it is still toy-like in appearance. (3) American Models track: This is a lower-profile track, solid brass rail, more realistic in appearance. Like Gargraves, it is available as 3' flextrack, or shorter rigid sectional track, with different radii curve. Mounted on plastic ties. (Would remind you of typical HO track in appearance.) Cost is $7.50 per 3' section of flextrack. Rigid sectional track varies, but is approximately $3 -$3.50 per section. (4) S-Helper Service S-Trax system: New. Currently the best S track available, but also the most expensive. Sectional track system. (Flexible track coming later this year.) Different radii curves are available (19" (=AF curves), 24", and 29"). Low-profile rails, already mounted on simulated ties in molded roadbed. This is the only track available that already includes beveled "roadbed". With everything else, you either ignore roadbed, or have to buy/make that in addition to the track. When you consider that added expense (not to mention your time!) , the additional cost of S-Trax is really not much greater. In addition, every section has built in power connections underneath. Powered turnouts will be available by summer. Costs vary with desired items, but as an example--- a "Starter Set" which includes an oval with four 10" straight sections is $69.95. Additional straights and curves available, in boxes of 6 pieces each. (Approx. $25-$36 per box) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7996	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] diesel chassis work

Paul, This is not a project recommended for the weak-hearted. Most AF chassis were not made with bushings, you have to add them This requires boring out the axle holes to provide an interference fit for the new bushings, which then must be bored or reamed to match the two axle diameters. Location of the hole is critical, and most of us have already-worn holes to go by, so boring the hole to provide the correct axle spacing for proper gear mesh is difficult. While I may do many things to my AF, I have yet to do this, primarily because I haven't had time to do my rebushing fixture. I have located a few NOS chassis to get my measurements, but that's as far as I've gone, at this time. I'm sure you'll get some good suggestions, and many have managed to rebush so their locos run. I will freely admit that I am being a perfectionist in this detail! As soon as I have successfully done a few chassis, you can bet the world (at least the AF world) will hear about it! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7997	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track

Have a look on Craig's site at this track:- http://trainweb.com/crocon/strack.html I'm 99.9% certain that this is the way *I* shall go! Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7998	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO

This may be a bit off-topic, but I'm curious: What is out there in terms of books, articles, websites, etc on Gilbert HO? I recently wandered into a toy train store in Oakland, CA to look at Flyer and walked away with a beat-up (but nonetheless deeply cool) Gilbert HO model of an Alco high-nose Alco RSD12. I was also tempted by an HO C&NW reefer, seemingly identical to Gilbert's S gauge model. Like its S gauge products, the Gilbert HO seems remarkably faithful to the prototype, at least the few pieces I saw (and the Alco I bought). What does the list think of collecting/operating Gilbert/Flyer HO? Take care, Paul Schneider, rubber-gauger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 7999	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Track

If anyone would be interested in some Pikemaster track, let me know off-line. I have at least an oval plus a 90 degree crossing which needs some work. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8000	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: diesel chassis work

I agree with David. I have never attempted to rebush a diesel chassis either and am not eager to start. I have several comments on this topic however. I sure hope that some guys on this list who have had good luck with rebushing will pitch in with their comments on this. The rebushing of dc's is discussed in detail in Tom Barker's Greenberg AF Operating and repair guide. You should check this out. He makes it sound fairly simple. It isn't. I believe he used an industrial drill press in the Xerox shops and had the assistance of top notch machinists. A home drill press is not accurate enough for this work. The proper tool to use, I have been informed, is a side milling machine. This work must be done to much closer tolerances than almost anything else in Flyer. The proper bushings are Oilite AA 238 I believe. Check in theBarker book. They are not hard to find. My test for a Flyer diesel motor is this: a double motor diesel should be able to pull two dummy units and five passenger cars up a trestle at speed at 19 VAC. I have had rebushing done by two different highly recommended people. It was a failure both times. Also have a batch of badly rebushed chassises that came in a bunch of other parts. They are useless too. I have another pair that I just had rebushed by a third party but haven't had a chance to try them yet. They have to be disassembled and the bushings filed flush wtih the chassises and I haven't had time for the project yet. The difficulty is to locate the holes which need to be drilled and reamed precisely. Various attempts have been made to produce a jig which will locate these holes correctly. At least one is on the market now. I haven't used it. The problem is complicated by the fact that the molds which were used to cast the chassises were constantly modified during the years of production to compensate for wear. Thus it is hard to select a reliable point or line to start measuring from. There are alternatives to rebushing. You can use replacement chassises from Lionel Flyer. These have nylon gears, different axle diameters and wheel profiles than the Gilbert chassises, and can be noisy. In general they work very well though. They are so cheaply made that I don't expect mine to last as long as the Gilbert ones did. I certainly don't expect those nylon gears to hold up for fifty years. You can also use chassises from the earliest production of Flyer diesels, in which the non powered trucks had the same chassises as the motorized ones. (You can replace the dummy chassises with the later sheet metal ones.) These chassises must be modified by cutting away metal to accommodate the longer armature and field cores of the later pul-mor motors. This can be done with dentists' drill bits. These early chassises had bright brass wheels which will have to be replaced by the wheels from the old chassis for proper appearance. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8001	From: The Reis's	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO

The person to talk to on Flyer HO is Gary Klein P.O. Box 305 Eugene, Ore 97440 He has written an excellent hardbound book on the subject somewhat in the form like the greenberg books. He has been selling these for about $40 at the TCA division meets. He has advertised in S-gaugian in the past, I didn't find anything in a few I looked in but maybe back further like 96 or so. I didn't find an e-mail but he does have a phone # in the TCA directory which I can send you if you don't have access to it. eric reis It's summer in seattle (which means 6 more week of rain) kenmore, wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul D. Schneider To: S-Trains@onelist.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:33 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO This may be a bit off-topic, but I'm curious: What is out there in terms of books, articles, websites, etc on Gilbert HO? I recently wandered into a toy train store in Oakland, CA to look at Flyer and walked away with a beat-up (but nonetheless deeply cool) Gilbert HO model of an Alco high-nose Alco RSD12. I was also tempted by an HO C&NW reefer, seemingly identical to Gilbert's S gauge model. Like its S gauge products, the Gilbert HO seems remarkably faithful to the prototype, at least the few pieces I saw (and the Alco I bought). What does the list think of collecting/operating Gilbert/Flyer HO? Take care, Paul Schneider, rubber-gauger __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8002	From: noramz@webtv.net	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: AF diesel bushings

I might as well put in my 2¢ worth since I have done two diesel rebushings successfully and Tom J. is looking for some input. As Tom said, it's not as easy as Barker leads you to believe. If I remember correctly, he doesn't mention in his book that you must get the bushings in exactly the right place for the correct meshing of the worm and gear. This is probably the most important aspect of the rebushing. Before I was even aware of Barker's book my double motor Silver Rocket stopped running because the axle holes were so worn the weight of the engine was resting on the worms. At that time (about 12 or so years ago) my solution was to round out the holes and insert some thin rolled up brass to stabilize the axles and get some free-play in the gears again. You can't imagine how thrilled I was when I put that engine on the track and it ran again almost like new after so many years of trying to figure out why it kept running slower and slower and finally not moving at all. Not long after that I discovered Barker's book and went out and bought some Oilite bearings to replace the brass pieces which were not holding up too well. I rebushed both chassis using only my electric drill held in one of those drill press rigs. With no fancy machinery and taking my time and being careful with drilling I was able to install all eight bushings in exactly their right places. The Silver Rocket has been running now very well for many years. My other attempt was with a GP-7. I wasn't quite as lucky with this engine in placing the bushings accurately and ended up having to shim up the armature bearings and field to get enough clearance between the worms and axle gears (and also making sure the armature ended up being centered in the field). But after doing that it has run as well as the Silver Rocket. So my feelings about this matter is that if you are brave enough and have some mechanical ability you should be able to rebush your own chassis successfully. Otherwise, I will leave it to other folks for alternate suggestions. Happy RR'ing Norman Crescent City S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8003	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] diesel chassis work

I also have a copy of TB's book which must be about 10 years old. It is foolish to attempt his method with just a pillar drill unless you are extremely lucky. About 30 years ago my Father had a special jig made to hold a chassis for re-bushing. It uses slip bushes so that it can be 1) Drilled 2) reamed 3) drilled for two different diameters for the axle. I have done about 25 chassis now with 100% success. It is the only correct way to go. On the subject about the chassis changing over the years, that is correct but ACG still maintained the same axle hole dimensions. I have done 360's, Rockets, Comets, 484/5/6, 499, 21573, 234 21927 etc Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8004	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: LIONEL WRISTWATCH

A friend came up from Florida last fall and gave me the "L" wristwatch. I showed them I was pleased but noticed the second hand was not attached to the shaft and did not turn. Rather than void the warrenty I asked the Telebrands company what to do. They said return it to them with $4.00 and they would replace it. After one month I called them and they said it would take 6 to 8 weeks. That was December. In March I sent them a letter and in April I received a post card saying send them the watch. I just wrote them a letter explaining that they have my watch. If they don't send the replacement I will have to buy one to show my friends. I understand they cost $15.95 new. For Christmas the same friends gave me the wall clock. I just want to run my trains. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8005	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Diesel Chassis

Find a good rebushing expert, or replace your chassis with LTI open-motor chassis sub-assemblies. You have to tap the different holes, and add pulmor tire bands, but they come with wheels, axles, nylon gears, and bushings already installed. I've redone a 470, 371, and 360* with these and every one of them improved significantly and now run fast, smooth, strong, and rather quietly. I also replaced the springs and brushes each time too. *360 has field and armature segments about 2 mm narrower than the latter PA's (e.g. 470), but you can still use the LTI chassis. Carefully center each field with the yoke and it's screws, test and adjust until front and rear motors run with equal fwd/rev speeds. Set those screws well, and ZapAGap the fields (just a drop here and there) in place for insurance. Run 'em, If you got 'em. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8006	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: Diesel chassis

Tom is correct in that you can use the dummy chassis from early 360 series 'B' units. The only reason they are suitable for use is because they are not subjected to electrical wear. This is the *real* killer for wear in a power chassis. If you take a close look at a worn chassis you will see that the majority of the wear is on the non-insulated wheel. A solution to this problem would be to make up some wipers that make contact with the wheel rim which is connected direct to the chassis itself to allow most of the current to pass through. Going back to the early chassis that Tom was talking about, they have a bushing, but it is not a brass/bronze one. It is some form of steel? which reduces the amount of wear over time. These have a funny 'key' on them which holds them in, they are also more difficult to re-bush as well. Again, these will wear if you use them, just takes that bit longer. Even with some of the chassis' I re-bushed years ago you can detect a small amount of wear, again mainly on one side due to the electrical problem. I have even re-bushed a couple of the Lionel chassis, not because they were worn, just for the interest to see if they had fooled around with the original tooling, and they haven't. Once I have a chassis stripped down it takes about 5-10 minutes to drill and re-bush. With my jig, I struck lucky, my Father (now retired) worked for British Aerospace and had some contacts in the apprentice school. One of the students course work involved some projects and some how this jig became part of it. He was given a mint chassis from a 21927 diesel and an old worn unit from a Rocket and told to resolve said problem. Now, if I had been able to get all the course to do the same thing I could have sold a few on, never mind, one is better than none. Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8007	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO

Hi everyone, Paul wondered about the collecting of Gilbert HO: "I recently wandered into a toy train store in Oakland, CA to look at Flyer and walked away with a beat-up (but nonetheless deeply cool) Gilbert HO model of an Alco high-nose Alco RSD12. I was also tempted by an HO C&NW reefer, seemingly identical to Gilbert's S gauge model." Well Paul, i have a near complete Gilbert HO collection and am extreemly happy with it. The detail is amazing, paper decals on many cars just like their S guage big brothers. Some of the most beautiful cars made in S guage are were also made in HO guage. The made a wonderful Hudson and 0-6-0 that both have chug and smoke and were the particular items that got me interested in S-guage because of this feature. I have had Gilbert HO since 1962, and began collecting it in earnest in 1983. I have not regretted it for a moment. I have even had the famous Gary Klein fly to my home in Salt Lake City to buy some of my duplicates, (and a few originals that i should not have let slip away). The biggest downside to collecting Gilbert HO is when you start you won't want to stop and when you go back to your favorite train store/hobby shop, you will never be satisfied again with ANY MANUFACTURER OF HO. I use to collect HO and loved to see all the new products from Athearn, Mantua, Backman Spectrum, etc, etc, and now when i go into that store.... none of those products appeal to me. So be prepared to be spoiled by good ole Gilbert products and to loose interest in your earlier HO manufacturers. As to value, the market is really limited. In my whole Gilbert club there is only 1 or 2 people who will buy any of it, so to sell it is a problem, at least it has been for me. But then again, when i take some to the shows i attend it always goes fast. Another observation, at all the shows i attend i have become familiar with the HO dealers who specialize in old HO, and they are all telling me that they almost never see Gilbert HO anymore. So it is getting much harder to find if not impossible to find, almost a never find. In the last five years i have only seen probably 10 pieces for sale, compared to many many pieces of S Guage (though that is getting hard ot find too). If I were you, i would have bought that Chicago Northwestern Reefer, cause they are hard to find and beautiful!!!!!!!!! Wayne (Gilbert HO and S guage crazy)Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8008	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Looking for recommendations for AF Track, Transformer, etc.

I don't think my previous post went through so here it is again. I would like to get some of my childhood AF trains running again, they have been unused for a long time. They are on a shelf but would like to put them on some track to run. Looking for recommendations for track and also a transformer source. Either original AF or if there is a modern substitute. I assume that it would have to be for AC? Also a source of info on the history of the individual engines and cars Gilbert made so I can date what I have? Info on refurbing or repairing my old engines to get them running again would be helpful. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8009	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Looking for recommendations for AF Track, Transforme

On the subject of track- My favorite track is AM code 148. You can use sectional or flex. With sectional you don't absolutely have to add roadbed. With roadbed and ballast it looks great (see pictures on my website below). SHS is the nicest but until switches are available it's a problem. Also, part of my layout is AF track with rubber roadbed and it looks pretty good. AF track, switches and roadbed are pretty common at any train show. Gary Mitchelson wrote: > > I don't think my previous post went through so here it is again. > > I would like to get some of my childhood AF trains running again, they have > been unused for a long time. > They are on a shelf but would like to put them on some track to run. > > Looking for recommendations for track and also a transformer source. Either > original AF or if there is a modern substitute. > I assume that it would have to be for AC? > > Also a source of info on the history of the individual engines and cars > Gilbert made so I can date what I have? > Info on refurbing or repairing my old engines to get them running again > would be helpful. > > Gary > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/7/_/494531/_/955464623/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8010	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rebushing

Tom Barker's AF Repair Manual ($15) covers this topic very well. If you're going to attempt this, I strongly suggest you buy the book and read it first! A careless error can destroy a chassis. We stock the book, and we also stock the proper bushings, as well as the 3-piece drill set required for rebushing. You will need either a GOOD drill press, or access to a milling machine. A 2-directional drill-press vise is also a big help, so that you can clamp the chassis in place, and then move it squarely in either direction (N-S, or E-W). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8011	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO

<<This may be a bit off-topic, but I'm curious: What is out there in terms of books, articles, websites, etc on Gilbert HO? >> As for books, there are only two that I am aware of. There is a hardcover guide to Gilbert HO written by Gary Klein (Oregon). You pretty much have to buy that book direct; Gary does not wholesale it to dealers. As I recall, it is in the $40-$50 range, and includes color images. The second is a $10 softcover guide. We stock that book. Both books include pricing info (which doesn't always match!).....two individuals' views! And both are 3-4 years old now. But at least they are good guides as to what was produced, and ballpark values. VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8012	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO

Gary has a new revised version of this book on cdrom. It has lots of other info on AF accessories, the AF S gauge repair manual as well as lots of good pictures of the HO stuff. You can get it direct from him. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO portlines@... wrote: > <<This may be a bit off-topic, but I'm curious: What is > out there in terms of books, articles, websites, etc > on Gilbert HO? >> > > As for books, there are only two that I am aware of. > There is a hardcover guide to Gilbert HO written by Gary Klein (Oregon). You > pretty much have to buy that book direct; Gary does not wholesale it to > dealers. As I recall, it is in the $40-$50 range, and includes color images. > The second is a $10 softcover guide. We stock that book. > Both books include pricing info (which doesn't always match!).....two > individuals' views! And both are 3-4 years old now. > But at least they are good guides as to what was produced, and ballpark > values. > > VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/7/_/494531/_/955486502/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8013	From: Bob Morrison	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: Gibert HO

Paul, I bought a copy of Gary's book on Gilbert HO from him through an eBay auction a few months back. It's a very good book and covers the subject of Gilbert HO rather completly. This is a good investment if your considering collecting Gilbert HO. I have both S and HO in my collection. I started buying Gilbert HO because the local railroad club I belong to models in N,HO and G scales. Since there was no room for S, I started bringing Gilbert HO to run just to drive the "HO snobs" (a small but anoying faction of our great group of modelers) nuts. I enjoy running my Pennsy 0-6-0 around the layout with its chug chug sound and smoke puffing from the stack! Sure is a lot more realistic than one of those new $145.00 steamers with the glowing firebox that only an HO scale engineer in the cab could see. They really hate it when I ask, "Where's the Smoke?" I for one would like to see more posts on Gilbert HO. I like Paul, want to know if this is an ok topic with you all on this list or should Paul and I start our own list dedicated to this subject? Bob M.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8014	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the S-Trains group: Should Gilbert HO be included in this group. o Yes. o No. o No, but I'd be interested in a Gilbert-HO specific group. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.egroups.com/polls/S-Trains Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8015	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/11/2000
Subject: looking for recommendations

Gary: Certain things would be very helpful in getting your Flyer running again. You should get hold of a copy of Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Operating & Repair Manual. This book has a lot of errors and outdated info in it but is extremely helpful nevertheless. It is the best available guide right now. It has exploded views of many common locos, instructions for operating accessories, and of course a lot of info on the simoplest and most needed repair procedures. IN general, to get your trains running again you have to do several things: -lubricate them properly -- use high quality oil and plastic compatible grease. The oil should come in a squeeze bottle with a needle tip so you can apply small amounts of oil precisely. -the main places to be oiled are the axle holes, the bearings on the ends of each armature, and any pivot points of gears, etc. A small amount of grease can be applied to gear teeth .-you may have to remove old lubricants especially from diesel motors. Over time these become hard and can stop a motor completely. -you probably have to clean the surfaces of the commutators with #400 or #600 sandpaper. This can often be done with the motor running if it runs. You cannot get oil onto the commutators -- this will make a mess and the motor must be disassembled and the oil cleaned off the commutator if it happens. -you will probably have to squirt some tv tuner cleaner spray into the reverse units and then blow off the excess. Some of the delicate finger contacts in the reverse units may have to be replaced. These things are done at a workbench with a transformer with wires ending in alligator clips as a convenient way to supply power to the locos while working on them. Tom Barker's book covers all these procedures well. NEVER APPLY POWER FOR MORE THAN A FEW SECONDS TO A NON-RUNNING LOCO. You can burn out the armature that way. You can ask specific questions on s-list. I think the lack of response to your previous posting was due to the fact that your questions were so broad that someone would practically have to write a book to answer them. You should check out Paul Yorke's Navigation Page, especially the FAQ's (frequently asked questions) http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ There is a wealth of info on this site, including sources for track, trains, transformers, parts, decals, etc. Perhaps you should obtain a Flyer AC transformer that has been thoroughly checked by/from a reputable dealer. You might also enjoy a subscription to S Gaugian Magazine. Good luck with it. Repairing and operating these trains is a lot more fun than keeping them as shelf potatoes. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8016	From: neil.trump@bt.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rebushing

As I mentioned in a previous post, my TB's repair manual is about 10 years old, so at this point I'm going to have to disagree with Doug's view (sorry Doug) about following this procedure, unless the latest book is more informative. I would not advocate the use of a pillar drill in re-bushing at all! With an existing worn oval hole I don't see how you can accurately pick up the centre point AND keep the drill straight all at the same time. The drill only has to run off 1mm or so and you have a scrap pile of metal (and there must be hundreds out there). A milling machine is possibly a better option but fiddly because you have to set it up a number of times to get all the holes finished correctly and is time consuming (I assume that someone has supplied all the data in TB's book to tell you how to locate these centres). The only correct way to go is to have a jig which locks the chassis in so that it will not move and keeps all the datum point accurate. The use of inter-changeable hardened slip bushes in my jig maintains the accuracy of the drilling to stop the drill wandering, in some cases I have felt the drill juddering because of the ovality of the hole and wanting to pull the drill away, a drill will always try to take the least form of resistance unless you force it. Someone mentioned a supplier making a jig over there, I would certainly investigate this if you wish to re-bush diesel chassis. Neil T. Tom Barker's AF Repair Manual ($15) covers this topic very well. If you're going to attempt this, I strongly suggest you buy the book and read it first! A careless error can destroy a chassis. We stock the book, and we also stock the proper bushings, as well as the 3-piece drill set required for rebushing. You will need either a GOOD drill press, or access to a milling machine. A 2-directional drill-press vise is also a big help, so that you can clamp the chassis in place, and then move it squarely in either direction (N-S, or E-W). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! Click here for more details. http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/7/_/494531/_/955486491/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8017	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: New Poll

Getting onto the poll is too complicated. I vote for new group for Gilbert HO as first choice and including Gilbert HO in this group as second choice. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8018	From: johnb@misi.org	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Poll

I vote for new group for Gilbert HO .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8019	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO and 'Off Topic' in general

Hi Ya'll, I voted and therefore am officially licensed to express an opinion. I prefer that this list remains (mostly) dedicated to trains in 3/16 scale - notably those of the American Flyer persuasion. It is OK for the occasional question, answer or short thread to cover other subjects - this list can provide a starting place for someone seeking information or seeking opinions on a related subject. That is the community aspect of this group. The occasional mention of AC Gilbert's history, Erector sets, Gilbert HO, Lionel's presence, eBay excesses, the value of a brand name and other topics is OK with me provided these items remain....occasional. I am not enough of a bureaucrat to propose guidelines about what is occasional and what is excessive. If we all use the subject line correctly our conversations will take care of themselves. The only topics that we should never bring to this forum are politics, religion and those two guys who can't get along. Later, Bill (in rainy South Florida) Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8020	From: don652@webtv.net	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Poll

I also agree that ocçasional talk about HO is okay but they should have their own list. Don Bitting

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8021	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Campo

Campo may not be steam. I received a brochure and there was no mention of steam, only diesel. Here's the number in case you're interested - - 619-595-3030. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8022	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Campo

At 09:11 AM 4/12/00 -0400, david_horn@... wrote: >Campo may not be steam. I received a brochure and there was no mention of >steam, only diesel. Here's the number in case you're interested - - >619-595-3030. FWIW, I've been to Campo a couple of times in the last six months, since I travel to San Diego quite often at the moment. The usual ride there is pulled by diesel, but several times a year they have Steam Days, and the ride is pulled by steam. On my first visit the ride was pulled by diesel, and to the east. After the trip and a walking tour of their yard, since I had heard they had working steam, I asked at the desk, and the very nice lady gave me a list up upcoming events, one of which was steam days. So I timed my next trip to allow me to visit during steam days, and as luck would have it, not only was it pulled by steam, but it was West to the Mexican border, due to some track problems and repair in progress in the other direction. Worked out very well! You might want to call and see when they will next run steam, if that is your interest. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8023	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Campo

Camp runs steam sometimes, it's an ex SP locomotive that has been restored, after years of effort. S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8024	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: HO Poll thoughts

In reading the posts suggesting the Gilbert HO folks get their own list--how many of these folks do you suppose there is?? I suspect (and no offense is intended here) that they are a very, very, small minority. Why not let them post here, and if we find it is a burden to the traffic, then get them their own list. I have a very few pieces of it myself (about 3 or 4, I'd have to find the box) and enjoy hearing about this other ACG line ocassionally. Let's show a little tolerance first, folks! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8025	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: HO Poll Thoughts

I agree with David. I just checked the poll results and although there are not many responses yet, the majority want to allow HO postings on this list and there is no one who has said they want to join an HO list. I know that I am interested in Gilbert HO, if only because I might buy some to add to a small HO layout. Therefore, I think it would be good to have information on this subject. However, I doubt that we would have so many posts that it would take over this list. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8026	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

I don't really care, if I don't want to read it, I delete it... S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: > Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the S-Trains > group: > > Should Gilbert HO be included in this > group. > > o Yes. > o No. > o No, but I'd be interested in a Gilbert-HO specific group. > > To vote, please visit the following web page: > > http://www.egroups.com/polls/S-Trains > > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups > web site listed above. > > Thanks! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Now the best and coolest websites come right to you based on your > unique interests. eTour.com is surfing without searching. > And, it's FREE! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3013/7/_/494531/_/955512008/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8027	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Poll

this is as good as place as any to talk as ho,,, we might all learn a little, "Alice S. Beachy" wrote: > > Getting onto the poll is too complicated. I vote for new group for Gilbert HO as first choice and including Gilbert HO in this group as second choice. > > Wayne Beachy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3080/7/_/494531/_/955536742/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8028	From: Ron Brady	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: H O POLL

I disagree with giving ho a try. I joined this list for 1 reason, it's called S trains. Not S trains and ho trains. Ron Brady

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8029	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Flyer HO on list

American Flyer trains tell a story just like a good jazz solo does. Among many other things, they represent a time capsule of a happier time, or at least one we treasure. Flyer HO is part and parcel of the same story, the same time capsule. Therefore I strongly believe that they are a valid topic for this list. Also, those of us who repair Flyer trains are often asked to repair Flyer HO pieces and information about them can be shared here in a very helpful manner. While HO trains in general are about as interesting as watching paint dry, Flyer HO items are more relevant to what we do because the same mindset that produced the trains we love was at work there too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8030	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list

What if things were reversed. If S was the rare comodity. Would it make it any less Gilbert? And let's not forget what Santa says,"Ho! Ho! Ho!". --- jarcho@... wrote: > American Flyer trains tell a story just like a good > jazz solo does. Among > many other things, they represent a time capsule of > a happier time, or at > least one we treasure. Flyer HO is part and parcel > of the same story, the > same time capsule. Therefore I strongly believe > that they are a valid > topic for this list. > > Also, those of us who repair Flyer trains are often > asked to repair Flyer > HO pieces and information about them can be shared > here in a very helpful > manner. > > While HO trains in general are about as interesting > as watching paint dry, > Flyer HO items are more relevant to what we do > because the same mindset > that produced the trains we love was at work there > too. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8031	From: michael prell	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] H O POLL

Here we go again with a great opportunity to argue and limit our thoughts. You may have joined for S, and your reason is valid, however, some of us joined bcause we are also interested in what Gilbert was all about. Well, again, Gilbert was not just limited to S. He produced other magnificent toys that have become treasures, such as the Erector set, Chemistry set and the like. Hlong with this is included HO. Although I don't own any, because I never did like the size, if given the chance to own a piece today I would welcome it into my collection. Why? because Gilbert made it.So, yes, there is most certainly room on this site for Gilbert HO. --- Ron Brady <rbrady@...> wrote: > I disagree with giving ho a try. I joined this > list for 1 reason, > it's called S trains. Not S trains and ho trains. > > Ron Brady > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8032	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains]

Should Gilbert HO be included in this group ? ---> No. However being loyal to the Gilbert line we should Have a place to refer people interested in Gilbert HO. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8033	From: Michael Greene	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list

I don't care whether it's on the list or not as long as it is possible to avoid reading it if not interested. How about posters put GILBERT HO: at the start of the subject line. Then: - those of us not interested can simply have our mail program automatically filter those messages right to the trash - those who are interested can read them straight away... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8034	From: Yost, Roy	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: 915

Hello all. In trying to recreate my childhood American Flyer set, I've found everything but the 915 auto unloading car. I need the tuscan and gray version, with no load. I've got plenty of Renwal cars and trucks for the load. If anybody has a 915 without a load that they would like to sell, please reply off-list. A ramp to energize it would be nice, too. BTW, the set was a 372 Union Pacific GP-7, 924 cement car, 922 pipe gondola, 915 unloading car, 930 tuscan caboose. Thank you Roy Yost radioroy@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8035	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] H O POLL

Yes, It may be a good thing. By the way, my new S guage ballast and coal will go with HO. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=31113&a=1706345 George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8036	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer HO on list

It is interesting to see all the opinions about this, and the fervent nature some of them are expressed. Gee, do I dare mention ACG Sunglasses???? S' David "l just want to have fun" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8037	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New poll for S-Trains

NO (and neither should lionel clocks)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8038	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO

Bottom Line. THIS IS AN S-Trains LIST. NOT HO. Let's keep it that way. For those who are interested only in Flyer S and/or HO there are other lists out there. Yahoo American Flyer is one list that comes to mind. You can even place photos there. Don't take this list and turn it into an ALL-GAUGER. Let's keep it S'imple! sgauger2000

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8039	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Getting Back to S Gauge

Here's an S item. I recently purchased a Rex Mogul(2-6-0) Kit. Has anyone here assembled one of these locos? I could use some tips and advice.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8040	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Getting Back to S Gauge

Wow, gee, where do all these Rex kits keep coming from? This is about the third one I've heard of here. I understand they are nice, when done, but require a bit of "fiddling"--which is what S is about most of the time anyway!! :-) S' David "I'm Jealous" D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8041	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe.

Paul, I will be out of town for a few days please unsubscribe me. Tom Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8042	From: mytrains@aol.com	Date: 4/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 594

I have all of the Rex Loco's and some cars, they are real nice I just completed an 0-4-0 Ddocksider and letter it for B&O # 97 and put S-H-S knuckle couplers on it to pull regular flyer cars. True you have to play with them to get them to work right. but they are nice with the extra valve gear kit and I added extra hand railing and lights in front and back.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8043	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: HO on S-trains

Well, I thought I could just sit on my hands and not respond to this issue, ..but I have no will power! As usual, I'm sitting on the fence and looking at both sides, but I think if I fell off, it would be on the side in favor of HO, but only if it is American Flyer HO! My reasons are as follows; I consider S-Trains my "main" list. I'm a Flyer person and have no desire to buy any of the new products on the market. I don't care who's making a coal loader or other such products by who-ever, and not that there's any thing wrong with buying new products, it's not where I'm at. But, I read all the posts just to see what's up. OK sure...there's a Flyer group on Onelist and a Flyer group at Yahoo!,....but to be honest, I could post questions all day long and never get a response!! So if the Flyer HO people start a group, how many of them will there be? Won't get much input from a small group. It seems some of the Flyer experts here know something about flyer HO. Now I know this is NOT a Flyer only list, but the only list{with high member #'s} that I know of, that deals with flyer. I know there is also a S-Scale list for the non-flyer people and I for sure don't go there! Long story short...{to late!} ....I myself am already reading a lot of posts that don't pertain to my interests, but wouldn't mind the occasional Flyer HO posts. Gads, sorry for the short novel! To much caffine at work tonight!! Rick. "take a ride on the 'S' side!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8044	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO

Glenn Sarlitto wrote: > > Bottom Line. THIS IS AN S-Trains LIST. NOT HO. Let's keep it that > way. > For those who are interested only in Flyer S and/or HO there are > other > lists out there. Yahoo American Flyer is one list that comes to mind. > You can even place photos there. Don't take this list and turn it > into > an ALL-GAUGER. Let's keep it S'imple! While I don't think including Gilbert HO on this list will cause other HO material to be included - most HO folks consider Gilbert HO antique semi-toy trains - I agree that it should not be here. Seems to me there should be a Gilbert list where Flyer S & HO, erector sets, and whatever other toys the man made could be discussed. I don't think a Flyer HO list would have enough support to survive, but perhaps the ACG list could. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8045	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: brushes and springs galore

How many different commutator brushes and springs are there for AF S-gauge engines? Here's what I can think of, but please help me fill this in with the rest. What brushes and springs, for examples, did the 21004/5, Baldwins, Casey Jones style steamers, 5-digit small and large barrel comm steamers, and F9's use? Thanks. * circular cross-sectional brush with shoulder - - 2XX and 3XX steamers with pulmor armatures * circular cross-sectional brush with slot - - earlier 3XX steamers without pulmor * long square cross-sectional brush - - 21088/89 * short square cross-sectional brush - - PA/GP diesels (early non-pulmors had oval cross-sectional, I believe its OK to use square as replacements) * long coil springs - - 2XX, 3XX with pulmor * short coil springs - - 20188/89 * wire springs for slotted brushes - early non-pulmor 3XX steamers * "L" wire springs - - PA/GP diesels [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8046	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] brushes and springs galore

Dave, Hmm, interesting list. The round, shouldered brush isn't limited to Pulmor, just any steamer after the the change to coil spings/metal tube holders. The square tube steamer motors actually began with the 343/346 uint, and included the 21145. The 21004/5 also used this brush. I've not seen this motor on a non-reversing Atlantic yet, atlhough I would assume it was used there too, after the spare parts were used up! I haven't measured them, but I would suspect the Baldwin carbon brush piece would be the same as the Alco/GP one. Anyone have some handy to check this? The brass part is different! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8047	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/13/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Should Gilbert HO be included in this group. o Yes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8048	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Ertl/ Racing Champions 1/64th '58 Chevys

For those who are interested, and haven't seen these yet, I just found some Ertl '58 chevys! I found a black one and a red one. And get this.....not only does the hood open {as in the past}, the TRUNK also opens with a spare tire inside!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8049	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Corrugated panel gondolas

Purchased a panel kit from Mainstreeter Trains. See S Ads in S gaugian. I had a gondola that has some center warpage so this will work out find. Some RR left out the second panel from all ends. Did they weld a flat plate to reinforce and to show their Herald? Did they weld a plate over the ribbes. Any ideas and pictures would help. Oddball decals has a 50 gondola that you can look at if you are also interested in doing a project like this one. Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8050	From: Novak, William	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

I would propose giving the Gilbert HO folks a try on our list. First, nothing is cast in concrete. If HO traffic becomes too heavy we can always have them move to their own list. At least we would give them an opportunity to test how much interest there is in Gilbert HO. Give them a month or two of test time, but keep it strictly to Gilbert HO. (Other Gilbert non-train stuff should definitely be elsewhere.) Secondly, this may help us in expanding interest in S by attracting more participants who have a latent interest in our gauge. Lastly, my view is that we (all toy train folks) need to cooperate more rather then pigeon holing ourselves into oblivion. Maybe this is part of the problem with S gauge - too much tunnel vision. As for myself, I find it interesting how Gilbert was able to duplicate many S gauge items in HO. Was there ever a reverse flow of that process - HO to S? Maybe our HO brethren can answer that question. Bill Novak Washington & Old Dominion Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Arlington, VA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8051	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ertl/ Racing Champions 1/64th '58 Chevys

But Rick, I've already got a spare tire installed--on my front! S' David "If I was meant to touch my toes with my fingers, my toes would be on my knees" D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8052	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO and S guage

Gilbert HO should be included on this list ONLY BECAUSE IT IS ACG. I mentioned earlier this week, that i collect Gilbert HO. I am only a handful of folks who do collect it, and i am sure that the amound of space on this list for questions on Gilbert HO will be practically NAUDA. I only know 3 people who collect the stuff, and frankly, WHAT IS THERE TO ASK ABOUT IT? What i mean by that is, i never use my HO, it sits on shelves to be admired, unlike all my S guage trains which receive regular and frequent service. The HO engines on the diesels and alcos, were very poorly built, and are some of the worse running HO trains ever made, only because ACG decided to "job out" the building of these units. The early 0-6-0's and Hudsons ran fine, good ole ACG technology used here, and identical in many ways to the S-guage. But of all the HO layouts and S guage layouts i have seen, i NEVER SEE GILBERT HO RUNNING. Of the three HUGE collectors i know of ACG HO, none run the trains, they are all in set boxes and individual boxes. So what i am getting at, is THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ON THIS LIST FOR ACG HO PEOPLE. If by chance there was, and it ended up being frequently, i would welcome a seperate "one list" for these folks. But like i say, what is there to ask? Wayne Broadhead Gilbert HO Gilbert S and loving it baby!!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8053	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 596

In a message dated 4/14/00 7:20:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << I haven't measured them, but I would suspect the Baldwin carbon brush piece would be the same as the Alco/GP one. Anyone have some handy to check this? The brass part is different! >> No. The Baldwin brush (as well as its brass hanger) is longer than that of the PA/GP7 . Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8054	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Fwd: Train store shopping

This is the response I got when I asked the Great Train Store about stocking S Gauge products... Cheri/John Warner Auburn, Washington [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8055	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: what is it about S-gaugers?

Thanks to everyone who took the time to write me about Gilbert HO. I must say, I'm constantly surprised and heartened by the sheer, unadulterated *friendliness* of S-gaugers. I never post a question to this list without knowing that a bunch of folks will take the time and effort to write me (or share their thoughts with the list). I've only been in S for a little over a year, but its the *people* that impress me the most. Is it the fact that we're a minority scale? Or is it the same love for the underdog that feeds the passion of Chicago Cubs fans? S gauge has always *felt* right to me. The S-gaugers I've met through S-Trains and elsewhere only underscore my decision to stick with S, despite the siren song of all that neat stuff in HO. Thanks folks! Its great to be here. Take care, Paul Schneider __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8056	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 596

Ah, that's where those "too long" brush parts came from! Now I know! Thanks Doug! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8057	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/14/2000
Subject: what is it about S-gaugers

Yes Paul Schneider, a lot of S gaugers are pretty nice people and we will go to great lengths to help each other. That is why In my view you don't belong among us. Aside from the fact that you seem to have very little skill or knowledge to contribute, your vicious responses on list when I tried to explain some of our history (I've been in S gauge over 40 years) and your foul email to me personally, with its disgusting reference to anallingus, have been neither forgotten nor forgiven. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8058	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Chicago Cubs and ACG

Paul Schneider likened S gauge to the Chicago Cubs -- both real and supposed losers. As a kid back in the fifties, I attended many a Cub game and I have been loyal to the Cubs ever since. The great Pete Rose said that people attend Cub games to see the Cubs play, while fans elsewhere in the league attend to see their teams win. Wrigley Field fills up, not because the Cubs will win, but because people are enamored with the ambiance, the camaraderie, the tradition, or maybe just to see the one hundred year old vine covered walls. People just plain love being there. The Cubs don't have to win. You don't see celebrities lined up for the privilege to lead the fans in "Take me out to the Ballgame" anywhere else. Now, we don't have celebrities leading the charge here in S, and maybe we are market place losers, but I stick to S, like I do to the Cubs, because it gives me pleasure. What else is there in life? It's just toys, boys. Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8059	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: ON30

First off I am new to this list...But still have and run my 48 and 50 sets I got as a child...Flyer is no. one with me...I wonder how many there are in the ON30 area? Have you looked at the stuff! The scale is very close to "S" and the price is right, about 14.00 per car..very detailed...I am thinking of trying to put "S" trucks on them, etc. anyone done this? Anyone tried to modify the engine to fit "S" track? you can find this engine for about 100.00...Bachmann makes it...so any conversion ideas? Bob Conner

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8060	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: One More for HO

Greetings, I am a die-hard American Flyer fan. I grew up with a Royal Blue set, and in my recent rediscovery of my 2nd, (or later), childhood, I've added a lot more Flyer to my collection. Just about a year ago I met up with some Gilbert HO. I didn't even know it was made. I was really impressed by the sturdiness in comparison to the Tyco, etc, brands I also had as a kid. I'm very interested in reading about Gilbert HO and would like to see it on our S-trains list. I would imagine it wouldn't take up a lot of space, and if it developed into something, another list could be formed. So, Put me down for Gilbert HO! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8061	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Looking for AF transformers

I am looking for a transformer to get my old AF trains running again. Looking for something like the 8B or 15B. Would like it to be in very good shape, but not at E-bay prices. Gary Gary Mitchelson N3JPU Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8062	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: more bubbles!

Hi gang, I have already let on that I love Flyer bubbling water towers. Well, today at a garage sale I picked up an old string of bubbling Christmas lights. I almost got a Gilbert set about three years ago, but this set is from a different manufacturer. They work great when screwed into a Flyer revolving beacon tower. You guys ready for some imagineering? Here's my question. What kind of trackside building or industry might have 10 4 inch bubbling tubes attached to their building? So far all that I've come up with is a soda pop factory or something to do with natural gas (my 5 year old would love that!). Any ideas? Jacques P.S. If it's American Flyer, I'd wouldn't mind HO on the list.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8063	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Train store shopping

Didn't realize the forwarding attachment would get cancelled. Here is what the Great Train Store had to say: Thank you for shopping at The Great Train Store. We currently do not stock S in our stores for several reasons. We tested selling new S gauge products in 4 of our higher volume model train stores in 1996-97 years with little success. The product was not turning on our shelves, we sold S-helper, American Models, K-Line track and Lionel AF products to name a few. We require higher turn rates than most hobby businesses due to our high overhead (mall priced rents) and the S gauge products just did not make the cut with less than one turn. The poor turn was due to lack of interest in new S gauge products that we had in our test stores. We are not equipped to sell and purchase used S or any other gauge of trains in our chain store structure. One of the other issues is the limited availability of products. I know that there is twice as much products being produced today as there was two and three years ago but I still need higher turn rates. S gauge is not the only line that has fallen from our shelves, we also have dropped Marklin, Fleishmann, TT gauge, assorted brass locomotives. All of these lines, according to in store surveys, we were asked to stock them in our stores. Yet all of these lines fell victim to not meeting the required turn rates after we purchased assortments and tested them in our stores. Thank you, Shane Cron Model Train Buyer PS I own several S gauge trains in my collection, my fathers early 50's products, several engines from American Models and one of my favorites American Models Amtrak Superliner Set. I personally like S better than O in the realm of toy trains because of its more realistic appearance but I have to merchandise The Great Train Store as a business not a home for my favorite things.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8064	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: more bubbles

Toy trains are not limited to realistic portrayals of the rr industry. I have often thought it would be fun to create a total toyland fanstasy layout with everything from smurfs and stuffed animals to huge Tonka fire trucks, piggy banks, every size and kind of toy vehicle and figure, windup and battery powered toys, aircraft and star wars spacecraft hanging overhead, all set up on snow fabric. I set up a layout in a toy store window in New Jersey once that ended up looking like this and it was quite a success. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8065	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] more bubbles!

Hey Jacques, How about a steel mill? There was a Scientific American article a few years ago about 'mini mills'. These steel producers are smaller than the blast furnace guys and are a better fit for trains. If the bubbles were all inside and could be seen through the windows, the effect would be akin to melting and pouring hot metal with the attendant sparks and flares. If you are also interested in the operations, they use gondolas of scrap, hoppers of granular stuff and ship the goods on flats or in boxes. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Jacques Ollivier <ollivier@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 15, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: [S-Trains] more bubbles! >Hi gang, > >I have already let on that I love Flyer bubbling water towers. Well, >today at a garage sale I picked up an old string of bubbling Christmas >lights. I almost got a Gilbert set about three years ago, but this set >is from a different manufacturer. They work great when screwed into a >Flyer revolving beacon tower. > >You guys ready for some imagineering? Here's my question. What kind of >trackside building or industry might have 10 4 inch bubbling tubes >attached to their building? So far all that I've come up with is a soda >pop factory or something to do with natural gas (my 5 year old would >love that!). > >Any ideas? > >Jacques > >P.S. If it's American Flyer, I'd wouldn't mind HO on the list. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE FREE! GET THE OFFICIAL COMPANION >TO TELEVISION'S HOTTEST GAME SHOW PHENOMENON PLUS 5 MORE BOOKS FOR >$2. Click for details. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3014/7/_/494531/_/955831811/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8066	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8067	From: Bob Morrison	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO

Hi All, I don't post ofen but when I do it causes quite a stir! I want to thank everyone who has expressed their feelings about posting info or questions about Gilbert HO. Many of you made good points on both sides of the fence. To Paul Yorke our list owner, thank you for your very kind message to me off list about including Gilbert HO in this forum. I am an American Flyer man first and formost and joined this list to learn more about AM Flyer products. I know if you are a Flyer fan then that normally means S and that's what it normally means for me. Only recently have I purchased Gilbert HO and have barely enough to make a decent train for a"local". When I posted my response to the question about Gilbert HO I did so to talk about American Flyer, not HO vs. S. That's why I questioned whether it was ok to post Gilbert HO responses on "S List" in my respose. I did make one mistake,in my rush to respond to a Gilbert question, I forgot that S Trains is more than American Flyer! There are may S gauge products out on the market and I have bought from a number of those folks to add to my railroad. S is also Sn3 narrow gauge as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that S List should be and was formed for S gauge. Maybe I'll look for an American Flyer list or start one some day but I think keeping this list "S" is the right choice. Forgive a "Fool" who rushed in. Bob Morrison American Flyer Fan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8068	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: On30 conversion

Check out Wayne Beachy's conversions at http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/cw.html Click on each of the smaller pictures, there is additional text on each of them which explains the way he made the conversion. Tom Gerbasi On Sat 15 April 2000, ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote ". . . The scale is very close to "S" and the price is right, about 14.00 per car..very detailed...I am thinking of trying to put "S" trucks on them, etc. anyone done this?. . . " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8069	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: More Bubbles

How about a brewery? Chemical plant? An oil refinery. I picture many of these in my mind with vertical tanks and tubes that could be substituted with disguised Bubble Lamps. (I do like the steel mill idea of having the bulbs in the building so only the resultant flickering light would be seen through the windows.) Have Fun and Be Creative!!!! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8070	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what is it about S-gaugers?

> Or is it the same love for the underdog that feeds the passion of Chicago Cubs fans? To tell you the truth I always likened American Flyer to the Chicago White Sox and Lionel with the Cubs. The Cubs always got more attention in the press, and more fans. Everybody I knew was a Cub fan, even though they have been perennial losers. The Sox were always the forgotten team, always second fiddle to the Cubs, even though they usually had the better team.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8071	From: John Craft	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] what is it about S-gaugers?

Whoa! Let's not forget how ugly the SOX uniforms were in the 70's and 80's. The Cubs have always retained a classic look. Scott Holm wrote: > > Or is it the same love for the underdog that feeds the passion of Chicago > Cubs fans? > > To tell you the truth I always likened American Flyer to the Chicago White > Sox and Lionel with the Cubs. > > The Cubs always got more attention in the press, and more fans. Everybody I > knew was a Cub fan, even though they have been perennial losers. The Sox > were always the forgotten team, always second fiddle to the Cubs, even > though they usually had the better team. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/7/_/494531/_/955898162/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8072	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: The unusually high cost of shipping. Is this legal?

On e-Bay, this item, American Flyer #343 NKP Switcher 0-8-0 Item #309333139, has an $18 fixed shipping cost. I wrote this letter to the seller: >>>Why is the shipping $18 on this item? I have bought and shipped heavier >>>items for significantly less. This engine can easily be shipped virtually >>>anywhere in the U.S. for under $10.00. >>>Is shipping a profit center for you? >>>Chris Zizzo >>>The Flyer Buyer This was his reply: >> All items from this estate are left at the estate after photos are >> taken. After we receive funds...we pick up items...take out a % for the >> sale and ship items (by UPS or USPS) We pay employees to do the work and >> drive back to the estate to pick up items. We pay workmans Comp, Business >> insurance, and taxes on our business location all of which amount to >> aprox $10,000 per month. We would love to have you come here ...provide >> your own boxes and shipping material and work for us for free. We could >> then charge just the shipping amount. >Lou W Ploch Jr. <ezsell@...> This was my answer: >Lou: >There really is no need for a snide reply. I understand that there are >costs involved when you run a business. You need to understand that you are >competing in a cottage industry where many people like myself are selling >the same items, shipping via USPS Priority Mail in boxes provided free by >the P.O. and packing it all ourselves. That's what e-Bay primarily serves, >small entrepreneurial individuals who keep the operation close to the chest. >Perhaps you could pay your costs out of the profits made by selling >individual pieces from lots you have purchased wholesale. Adding >exhorbitant shipping costs is tantamount to charging a buyer's premium, >which, as I am sure you know, is illegal on e-Bay and can get you barred. >Thank you for your expedient reply. >Chris Zizzo >The Flyer Buyer Note well Mr. Ploch's phrase "take out a % for the sale." This is clearly a buyer's premium. Chris Zizzo posted on S-Trains mail list cc: Safe Harbor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8073	From: kathy/tom Gerbasi	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Alternate load for AM flat car

Many KB toys outlets and KB discount outlets are "dumping" Road Champs 1/64 models of garbage trucks, street cleaners and Zamboni machines for $1-$3. The Zamboni machine fits right over the two screws through the floor of the American Models flat car that is set up for a tank. (i.e.if you buy an American Models flat car with a tank model on it, the manufacturer has driven two screws through the floor of the flat car that fit into two holes in the bottom of the Patton tank model.) On the Zamboni, one screw fits just behind the front "bumper" and the other fits into the deep "well" in front of the ice scraper. All you need to do is fill in those areas for a tighter fit (i.e.you can use my quick and dirty fix and fill in the gaps with bits of rolled up duct tape, or you can cement on bits of sheet styrene plastic drilled with proper sized holes to fit on the screws). In any case, the Zamboni is an appropriate load up here in the Hockey crazy Buffalo area, but we may have to load up the tank again and head north to NHL headquarters again after having been robbed by the officials two years in a row in the Stanley cup playoffs. Tom Gerbasi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8074	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Am I missing something?

Is a 930 caboose, even in excellent condition, worth much more than twenty bucks? American Flyer 930 Lighted Caboose Item #304530454 just sold for $106.03! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=304530454 The winner placed the final bid in a last second snipe to beat a price around 80 where the previous hi limit was $103.53. Aren't there a billion of these things? Even if the 930 is rarer than the 630, they are basically identical and 630s sell for ten bucks. What am I failing to see? Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8075	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Rex 2-6-0

Glenn Sarlitto wrote: <Here's an S item. I recently purchased a Rex Mogul(2-6-0) Kit. Has anyone here assembled one of these locos? I could use some tips and advice.> I put one together about 30 years ago, and I don't recall any particular problems--just follow the directions and do some "break-in." I don't recall putting lots of valve gear on it, so maybe that's why it ran without any problems. I recently pulled it out of storage after at least 25 years of not being run, and it did fine on a friend's loop of AF track, even negotiating some AF turnouts. I'll have to try it on scale track when I get the chance. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8076	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: S Gauge, Gilbert HO & Erector / GATS

I just got back in town and thought I'd add my .02: The early Gilbert catalogs of the fifties included Gilbert HO and Erector. The 80 ft. showroom layout had Erector structures and HO trains (for perspective). I believe this has a place on the list. Some HO parts were used in S Gauge. Some Erector parts are found as well. (The Electromatic magnet is easier to find from Erector collectors.) I kept one Gilbert HO Hudson to run with its smoke and choo choo on my mountain top after my cousin pointed out that it would make it more like the Hall of Science layout. It's anice touch and the mid fifties boxcars and reefers match the S Gauge stuff. My feeling is that until it becomes a nuisance the related topics of Gilbert HO and Erector belong here when associated with AF S gauge. The Great American Train Store reply was interesting. I do not believe we get anywhere with complaining to them as if they were the government or similar entity. They will respond to market interest, not create it. Maybe they are a place to order the MTH coal loader to encourage more S accessories. The place to promote S is to run it at the local train meets and other events. Maybe clubs can set up at the mall Christmas display across from the store! Of course, that would be more work that writing to complain.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8077	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?

busy-boy wrote: > > Is a 930 caboose, even in excellent condition, worth much more than twenty > bucks? > American Flyer 930 Lighted Caboose Item #304530454 just sold for $106.03! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=304530454 > The winner placed the final bid in a last second snipe to beat a price > around 80 where the previous hi limit was $103.53. > > Aren't there a billion of these things? Even if the 930 is rarer than the > 630, they are basically identical and 630s sell for ten bucks. What am I > failing to see? Obviously, it is worth $106.03 to someone. You are missing that this eBay thing is simple supply and demand. If there are a 'billion' of these things, obviously the successful bidder did not know where to find them. For him, eBay was the successful supplier and he demanded to own it. Just as with another recent post regarding shipping charges thought to be outrageous. The market will determine that in the long run; either the seller will continue to charge more and survive, or sales will fall and he will fade away. Of all the frustrating things on the 'net, the constant complaining about eBay, on this list and others, is the one that gets very old - very, very fast. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8078	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: 930CABOOSE

For a regular 930 it is way over priced...However don't forget one thing about e-bay...AND I DID THIS RECENTLY!!!! Sometimes a person will put in a high bid to get something...I wanted a 10. to 20. dollar PEP punch out plane to finish my set....so rather than add 1. here or 1. there, and this being the only one I had seen in over a year, I just thru A 99.99 bid on it figuring it might go as high as 30.....WELL GUESS WHAT....The other fellow thought the same thing...he bid 99.99...My bid was a couple of minutes before his...I got it...OUCH!!!!! This happens quite often and this just might be the case here...As for my 930 Caboose...100+ is way..way too low!!!!If interested I have a 930 for 300.00...Nice shape and it is the RARE RIVIT BASE VERSION...Heck had one several years ago for about 300 - 350... BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8079	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Am I missing something?

Must say I really enjoy ebay horror stories and complaints. May have to buy or sell something on there some day and want to know as much about it as possible. Ebay is now the main means of exchanging Flyer trains. These postings are relevant and pertinent. Unpleasant for sure, but necessary. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8080	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?--YES!!

Ah, yes, there is a clue here. This is not the garden variety 930 caboose. This is the one using the later base with built-in end rails, and to change the light bulb, you have to take the screws out at each end. Very, very, very, hard one to find. The price is actually probably below "high-roller" market value, and it looks nearly mint! Yes, I'm an operator, but I have enough collector genes in me that I try to learn about strange stuff like this, besides, it's just another clue into the manufacturiing changes ACG went through, and I'm facinated by it all. Do I have one? Nope, the pics in the auction are the closest I've been to one of these puppies. BTW, there's usually a sticker on the bottom with bulb-changing directions. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8081	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8082	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Shameless plug for eBay auction

Troops, I've placed a GP-9 #8552 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307712427 1 day left in bidding and so far going cheap. Nothing wrong with engine, it's not fitting in with my layout. Converted to DC but e-unit is intact. Less han 10 hours use. If you win auction identify yourself as S-trains and I'll ship free. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8083	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 16, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8084	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: 500th Member Drumroll....................

499 Members and counting............This is becoming a big S-Gauge list. Some of us have joined Yahoo S-trains for a Sunday Evening on line Chat. Come join us.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8085	From: Brad Rockwell	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Please remove me from this list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8086	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?--YES!!

David, et al: More from the guy who bought it: Hi Chris... To be honest, I didn't really know this type/style car existed until I noticed the "screw". Looked it up in the Greenburg book. Stating: (F) Black plastic Type III body, sheet metal snap-in frame, light is riveted to base ( label on underframe reads "TO CHANGE LAMP REMOVE/SCREW FROM END OF BODY"). Only snap-in frame to be provided by a light. Came in box numbered "24608". T. & J. Hamler, J. Houck, and W. Ruhl Collections. 35 60 110 Another variation that is close to $100 is another 930 made in 1952. (A) Type I body, 2 piece brake wheels, red-painted black plastic body, very early version transition knuckle coupler trucks with the couplers and side frames riveted to the center of frame. J. Schapiro Collection. 25 50 90 There ya have it verbatim. His name is Bob Rusnak of Olmsted, Ohio and he is a collector. I told him about the list. Two to go, Chris Zizzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "slist" <S-Trains@onelist.com>; "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Am I missing something?--YES!! > Ah, yes, there is a clue here. > This is not the garden variety 930 caboose. This is the one using the > later base with built-in end rails, and to change the light bulb, you have > to take the screws out at each end. Very, very, very, hard one to find. The > price is actually probably below "high-roller" market value, and it looks > nearly mint! > Yes, I'm an operator, but I have enough collector genes in me that I try > to learn about strange stuff like this, besides, it's just another clue into > the manufacturiing changes ACG went through, and I'm facinated by it all. Do > I have one? Nope, the pics in the auction are the closest I've been to one > of these puppies. BTW, there's usually a sticker on the bottom with > bulb-changing directions. > S' > David D. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8087	From: Terry Harrison	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe

498 and counting. Remove me from this list. Terry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8088	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: another vote for Flyer HO

Sign me up as someone who wouldn't mind seeing Gilbert HO discussed on this list. C'mon Paul, you're the Big Cheese; what do you think? Incidentally, there are no Gilbert HO lists on eGroups (I checked). the Lionel HO folks have a list, but its only six members strong. I don't think a Gilbert HO list would prosper on its own; its too much of a niche product. But I'm sure the topic would find a home here. And hey, isn't it better than complaining about eBay? Paul Schneider Woodacre, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8089	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: HO on list

Okay, I wasn't going to get involved either, but thought I had to put my 3 cents in anyway. I really don't think HO belongs on an S list, but given the fact that a major portion of the subscribers use AF trains, I think some questions on Gilbert HO ONLY would be okay if it didn't get out of hand. And if you look at the Gilbert HO, most are small size duplicates of the S line in outward appearance anyway. I also have a few pieces of Gilbert HO and plan on using them as a train that circles the amusement park on my planned layout. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8090	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/16/2000
Subject: Re: Whacked out eBay prices

I too, have posted questions about an item I thought to be outta the ball park! But, I wasn't whining or complaining! As a fairly "new" collector, {but have had Flyer since '62}, I am still in the learning stage of collecting and knowing prices of Flyer equipment is very important. Books can tell you a great deal about value on any said item, but of course these are basically a guide and the sky is the limit when somebody wants an item bad enough! So if I see an item at a high price, I want to know if it's really worth it or just an inflated price or bid! Replies about the 930 caboose prove that there are rare versions worth big bucks out there. If I ever see one of these 930's laying around at some show or a yard sale, ..gee, ya think I'll use what I've learned from this list and snag it?!?? So thanks for the new info on a rare AF version. Now if I can only remember it! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8091	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Remembering stuff, like the 930 variation

Ah yes, memory--I have one of those around here, somewhere. . . Hmm, could've swore I did. . . . S David, Uh, Um, Uh, oh yeah! D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8092	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: GILBERT ALL THE WAY

Among my 18 Gilbert engines and over 80 American Flyer cars running on Gargraves track is a lowly Gilbert HO box car marked for New Haven in orange. It makes a great comparison in size for people visiting my train room but it does not stay on the my small HO layout and I figure Gilbert HO does not run as well as other HO makes. Any comment? Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8093	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: AM Streamline K4

Hi, y'all, American Models posted some new pics of their streamlined K4 on their web site. Definately their model and not an HO stand-in. Doesn't look too bad...but, then I'm not an SPF and therefore ain't qualified to rip into it. Now, if it was a Santa Fe 'Blue Goose'... Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8094	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: HO on this list

I vote OK as long as it is ACG HO related. I don't think it'll occupy all that much space on this list, and if it turns out to warrant a separate list, then spin it off. I have a 433, and plan to buy a 443, possibly even on of the SIT HO engines. They are great fun and good examples of the wonderful trains AC provided us to play with. True, not S-gauge, but like I said, if it ever ends up being a lot of dialogue, then set it up by itself. In the meantime, who knows what you might learn that could help you enjoy/appreciate your S, at least your ACG-S, all the more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8095	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: New Catalog; York; MTH

The new April 2000 repair parts catalog for Joe's Train Repair is now available free for a double-stamped, preaddressed business size envelope. Please send to Joe's Train Repair at 404 Shetland Road, Rougemont, NC 27572-9338. York contained a considerable amount of American Flyer, most at fairly high prices but it was selling quite well. All AF dealers and parts dealers that I spoke with did quite well. I got a chance to have a one-on-one talk with Mike Wolf towards the end of the day on Friday with no one else around in the closed MTH tent. He indicated a number of things relevant to us S Gaugers: 1. The Coal Loader will be a 100% faithful reproduction of the AF 785/23785 Coal Loader, including (according to Mike) the controller. It will be available in October. 2. The roof and clamshell bucket (the only parts I asked about) will both be available for separate sale. I did not inquire about prices for these pieces. 3. Mike is considering doing several other S pieces that could double as conversion pieces. These include the Cow-on-the-Track and Magnetic Crane accessories. He has other ideas as well, but they might be more formative. So, there you have it. I mentioned several of these things last night on the S Chat on Yahoo. If you have not joined us yet, come along next week. Yahoo even provides any needed software. So, these are indeed exciting times for S gauge. Both directly and indirectly we are benefiting. Who knows, after Mike buries Lionel (or they bury themselves), Lionel may turn to American Flyer exclusively (perish the thought!!). Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8096	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: brushes

I got some answers to my own questions at York. Which turned out to be a great event, again. I trashed my budget for the year, but ended up with some great stuff to add to my ACG-S experience over time - - 21004, 21130, 21210, 973, 716, and of course a couple bags of parts. The engines and rolling stock require varying degrees of disassembly, cleaning, and tuning to get in LN operating condition, but that's half the fun. Anyway, in terms of brushes: 21004, 21130 - - same square cross-sectional brush as Franklin/Washington (21088/89) 355, 21801 - - like the PA brushes only longer so a bit unique (as Doug mentioned) F9's - - will find out as I work on the 21210 I bought. Casey Jones - - I think these are the slotted circular cross-sectional type (had mine apart, just can't remember) PS Every parts person I asked is out of PA/GP brushes, apparently waiting for Leventon to have a new batch mfr'd. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8097	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward

FYI, I tested three 21004's and two 21130's at York. Everyone of them ran at least twice as fast in reverse than in forward. This was acknowledged as a syndrome some AF engines fall victim to, but no remedies were offered, other than one passer-by said "sounds like it needs a couple of windings removed". I'm not sure what he was referring to or how much experience/success he had with that idea, but I'd be interested to know more about it. I purchased one of those 21004's and one of the 21130's. They both need comm cleaning, etc. I hope that undoes their operating bias, but if it doesn't I may be forced to provide them the only remedy I've found - - replace the armature. I still wonder what it is that causes this, and whether rewinding the armature cures this condition. I haven't had the time yet to take Bob H. up on his generous offer to help me determine that. However, I still plan to and the outcome of these could seriously motivate me to do so sooner than later. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8098	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: welcome Paul

Welcome to Paul Schneider: " I've only been in S for a little over a year, but its the *people* that impress me the most." I agree Paul, I have also been impressed with the people on this list, and even though i love my Gilber HO, believe you me, i would never trade off my S-guage trains for it. ACG really knew what he was doing when he built the S Trains, and i run them alot. My ACG HO, stays on a shelf (mostly because the engines of the diesels are so crummy, made elsewhere other than ACG), but the cars, boxcars, and many others are exact replicas of my S-guage products and fun to look at. They have spoiled me, and now when i go into the hobby store there is nothing in HO that interests me any longer.... Keep those S-Trians, they are great and there is nothing like them anywhere. Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8099	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: ALPS Printers

Hi All, I looked on the ALPS home page and there seems to be no consumer printers there. Does anyone know if they stopped producing them? Is there any other supplier of printers that makes a product suitable for making decals or dry transfers? Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8100	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers

Bill, 1) Yep 2) I dunno Not good news on either, I'm afraid! I wonder how long parts, etc. will be available for the ALPS printers. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8101	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something?

Bill Wade took exception to my two posts about recent purchases on e-Bay: >You are missing that this eBay thing is simple supply and demand . . . >Just as with another recent post regarding shipping charges thought to >be outrageous . . . Of all the frustrating things on the 'net, the constant complaining >about eBay, on this list and others, is the one that gets very old - very, very fast. Bill (and everyone): Actually, neither post was about e-Bay at all. I have been using e-Bay with much success and I actually do find bargains. (Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=304562102 for example.) Forget that it is e-Bay for a minute. Suppose it was York, or S-Fest, or just a mail order situation. I asked a question of my fellow list members about the value of a caboose. I thought all Flyer cabeese were like pigeons or rats or wire coat hangers. When you're not looking, they reproduce, and then you are knee deep in them. I just wanted some clarification, and I got it. I wanted to know why, and some people took the time to explain. It turns out that the car is somewhat scarce and is book listed near that price and the buyer thought it was a nice example. Now I know, and the list and my desire to know educated me. For some of us, the obvious answer "it is worth $106.03 to someone" is not enough, especially if I am trading in that same market. The post about shipping is also not about e-Bay, it's about greed. If a manufacturer sells you a car for $30 and your costs to get it to your customer's door are $9, you obviously cannot sell it for $39! Your business would bleed to death. If, however, you negotiate a wholesale price to an estate for a train collection, then sell each piece of the purchased collection individually, for the highest price the market will bear, don't ask the buyers to pay you additional fees to cover your overhead. The cost of doing business should be covered by the selling price. The shipping cost is the buyers responsibility because the sale commenced with that understanding. Some guys who sell trains are tacking on the costs of packaging, labor to take it to the mailbox and utility bills in running the mailroom. When he sells a locomotive for $400 that he picked up for maybe 50 or 100, that's greed. Every business covers it's overhead in the cost of the item. Imagine if you bought a new Lionel train set at Toys-R-Us and they charged you $200 for the train, $2 store lighting fee, $3 labor costs, $1 bagging fee, and $1.50 for the use of the shopping cart. As buyers, all of us need to be aware of these hidden gouging practices. Avarice is what gets old really fast. Since we are communicating with each other on a list like this, I thought that a little practice of "heads-up" does us all good. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8102	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something

I tend to agree with Chris, some of those sellers are using the shipping for additional profit. Kind of like the "dealer prep charges" on new cars. At least when you look at the fine print description of these charges they actually state "and additional dealer profit". I got burnt bad on one of these shipping games where the charges weren't stated and I assumed actual charges and let the seller know what I thought of him and his charges. His reply was that the charges were for his time and packing materials as well as postage. He offered to let me back out of the deal but said he would leave negative feedback if I did. Turns out he used the free priority packaging from the post office and sent it UPS for $1.80. Someone like him should be arrested for misuse of government property. Moral of the story is that I now check the shipping charges statement very carefully and either add that to the bid or don't bid. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8103	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: POSTAGE

I USE E-BAY A LOT....I PUT IN UP FRONT THE POSTAGE....IT IS USUALLY 4.00 WHICH COVERS THE POST...3.30...PACKING TAPE, WHICH I HAVE TO BUY....WITH JUST A LITTLE LEFT OVER FOR THOSE TIMES WHEN I QUOTE 8.00 AND ITS 10.55 ETC...TO ME POST PLUS .50 IS FAIR....BUT I AGREE...HATE TO PAY 5.00 AND SEE A .50 STAMP!!!!!BOB CONNER PS...FLYER HO IS OK....NOT THAT MUCH OUT THERE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8104	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers

In the auto industry 10 years but I do not know about other fields. Larry David Dewey wrote: > Bill, > 1) Yep > 2) I dunno > Not good news on either, I'm afraid! I wonder how long parts, etc. will be > available for the ALPS printers. > S' > David D. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8105	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Am I missing something

> > Turns out > he used the free priority packaging from the post office and sent it UPS > for $1.80. Someone like him should be arrested for misuse of government > property. Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > If he was arested what would he be charged with???????????? Stuff was free Let buyer beware Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8106	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO HO

Well, i think we achieved it! More comments on whether to discuss Gilbert HO than there will ever be on actual Gilbert HO. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8107	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

I repeat some advice from Stan Slade. Look for brush springs that have beciome weak. Also, this is one of several causes, others being thrust washers, etc. Incidentally, I suspect that some of the armature fixes appear to work because end play is inadvertantly improved with a part change due to part tolerances. david_horn@... wrote: > > FYI, I tested three 21004's and two 21130's at York. Everyone of them ran at > least twice as fast in reverse than in forward. This was acknowledged as a > syndrome some AF engines fall victim to, but no remedies were offered, other > than one passer-by said "sounds like it needs a couple of windings removed". > I'm not sure what he was referring to or how much experience/success he had > with that idea, but I'd be interested to know more about it. > I purchased one of those 21004's and one of the 21130's. They both need comm > cleaning, etc. I hope that undoes their operating bias, but if it doesn't I > may be forced to provide them the only remedy I've found - - replace the > armature. I still wonder what it is that causes this, and whether rewinding > the armature cures this condition. I haven't had the time yet to take Bob > H. up on his generous offer to help me determine that. However, I still > plan to and the outcome of these could seriously motivate me to do so sooner > than later. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Easter Made Simple > Click Here -> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3122/7/_/494531/_/955981855/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8108	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: AF dealer pricing

You guys think that price gouging is bad on ebay? You should see the "deal" I saw this past weekend at a local train swap meet. The dealer had a whole table full of HO and N stuff. He also had a soda pop cardboard tray with an AF "set" (originally was probably a 4904T). There was a 290 that had been repainted gloss black with runs in the paint, a 639, 640, and 638, all of which were good at best with scratches, chips etc. There was also 566 billboard whistle in fair condition with no button, a #2 transformer that was all scratched up, and about 6-8 pieces of curve track. When I asked what he wanted for the lot he proudly stated $400. I just made a snide vocal gesture and walked on by as he muttered something I couldn't make out. Obviously, I also missed something in this extremely rare lot. Or maybe since he had the only AF at the meet the "supply" could "demand" the price asked. In case you are also interested, besides that being the only Flyer stuff at the meet with about 50 tables set up, about 90% was HO and N, the rest a mix of LGB, Lionel and other junk like T-shirts and paintings. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8109	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

I agree, for some engines those measure are the answer, at least temporarily, on other engines that I've run across which developed this problem, even different combinations of washers, spring tension, comm refacing, brush bevelling, etc. didn't solve the problem. At least not for long (i.e. a couple hour of operation). For them, not only has swapping out the armature been the only thing that finally achieved forward top-speed about 20% faster than reverse, but also the only measure that lasted awhile under operating conditions. They're the engines that have me befuddled. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Smith [mailto:cesmith@...] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:38 PM To: david_horn@... Cc: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward I repeat some advice from Stan Slade. Look for brush springs that have beciome weak. Also, this is one of several causes, others being thrust washers, etc. Incidentally, I suspect that some of the armature fixes appear to work because end play is inadvertantly improved with a part change due to part tolerances. david_horn@... wrote: > > FYI, I tested three 21004's and two 21130's at York. Everyone of them ran at > least twice as fast in reverse than in forward. This was acknowledged as a > syndrome some AF engines fall victim to, but no remedies were offered, other > than one passer-by said "sounds like it needs a couple of windings removed". > I'm not sure what he was referring to or how much experience/success he had > with that idea, but I'd be interested to know more about it. > I purchased one of those 21004's and one of the 21130's. They both need comm > cleaning, etc. I hope that undoes their operating bias, but if it doesn't I > may be forced to provide them the only remedy I've found - - replace the > armature. I still wonder what it is that causes this, and whether rewinding > the armature cures this condition. I haven't had the time yet to take Bob > H. up on his generous offer to help me determine that. However, I still > plan to and the outcome of these could seriously motivate me to do so sooner > than later. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Easter Made Simple > Click Here -> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3122/7/_/494531/_/955981855/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8110	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: My Ebay high shipping cost story

At the risk of offending those who hate Ebay stories, here is a rather long story of my experience on Ebay attempting to get a 21168 Casey Jones engine: I saw a 21168 Southern Casey Jones type locomotive (the one with a headlight, choo-choo, and smoke) on Ebay a ways back being auctioned by someone named VIDGEN@... and remembering that someone on this list had written good things about this engine, bid on it and won it for $53 dollars. The picture with the auction appeared to be a scan from a catalog or boxtop picture. The description said it was in VG condition. Then I got an e-mail from the seller saying to send payment of $73 dollars; 53 + $20 for shipping, handling, and insurance! I had failed to notice that this was mentioned in the original description. I asked him why it was so high and he gave me a long story about how much time it took to pack and gas to travel to the post office�etc. I figured that it was my fault for not noticing so I sent him a M.O. for the $73. A couple weeks later I received the package, opened it and discovered a Lionel searchlight car had been sent to me by mistake. The bidder on that had received my engine. He had been charged $15 for shipping the car! Anyway, we shipped each other our items and asked the seller to reimburse us $15 dollars each for shipping, handling, and insurance, which he sent right away. The other bidder also informed me that the engine looked rough and was missing the pilot truck. The post office tried to deliver it one day and no one was home and they didn�t leave a notice, so we wasted several more days until I got a final notice from the post office and went and picked it up. It WAS in rough condition. It was missing the pilot truck. It was also missing the rear coupler, the plastic there was all crazed indicating that someone had once tried to repair it. The tender truck wipers were also so worn they weren�t making good contact with the axles. A wire was broken off from the motor. Another wire was broken off from one of the trucks. I e-mailed the seller to tell him about the problems, specifically that he had called it a 4-4-0 in the description and since it was missing the pilot it was now a 0-4-0! I also mentioned that the picture didn�t match the engine, and that it was missing the coupler. He replied saying that I should collect on the insurance. I replied back that these obviously didn�t happen in shipping and besides, he shipped it to someone else and how could I make a claim for a shipment that didn�t involve me? He didn�t reply back for a while so I filed an Ebay fraud claim, even though the time limit of 30 days was well past. Ebay accepted the claim however and emailed the seller a copy of my complaint. He wrote me an e-mail, insulted that I didn�t give him a chance to straighten it out and that I should send the �now broken� engine back to him and he would refund the money. He also still insisted that the picture was of the same engine, (it most certainly was not a picture of a real engine.) I wished I had saved the picture and highly recommend doing so before any auction ends, because you may need it later. Anyway, I opened the engine and soldered the loose wires back on and sent the engine back and he sent me a check for $73 dollars. I was pleasantly surprised, since I only expected a refund of $53. I'm glad I didn't resort to giving him bad feedback. Still searching for a 21168, after finding several for $75 and $100 dollars at train stores, I finally found one being sold as a set with the Franklin passenger cars at a little train show and finally convinced the seller to break up the �set� by offering him $50 for the engine alone. After cleaning the dust off it, it really runs great and is the best smoker I have, blowing thick clouds of smoke high up even when it is running at slow speed. Lessons I re-learned with this experience is to read carefully the description, especially the shipping charge part and save the picture. The fraud and insurance claims have 30 day limits from when the auction closes so keep that in mind too. Ebay tells you to try and iron out the problem yourselves, but with this short a limit sometimes it's impossible. In my case it was 35 days from the end of the auction until I even had the engine in hand! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8111	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ALPS Printers

--- Bill Porter <wpporter@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > I looked on the ALPS home page and there seems to be no consumer > printers there. Does anyone know if they stopped producing them? Try clicking on the RETAIL PRINTERS link on their web site to see info about the MD-1000, MD-1300, and MD-5000 consumer printers. Their website is a little primitive. Try http://www.shopper.com and search for alps to find sellers of these printers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8112	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

GENTLEMEN I WILL OFFER SOME COMMENTS ON THIS ISSUE AND HOPE WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TOGETHER. NO 1. THE SPRINGS ARE THERE TO SUPPLY CONSTANT PRESSURE ON THE BRUSHES TO MAINTAIN GOOD CONTACT WITH THE COMM. NOT TO CONTROL THRUST OR ROTOR POSITION. NO 2. THE RELATIVE POSITION OF THE ARMATURE SHAFT GEAR TEETH TO THE DRIVEN GEAR WILL EFFECT THE SPEED AS THE SHAFT GEAR IS TAPERED. NO 3. THE ARMATURE SHAFT GEAR TENDS TO BE DRAWN TOWARD THE DRIVEN GEAR IN ONE DIRECTION OF ROTATION AND FORCED AWAY IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. NO 4. THE ARMATURE SHOULD HAVE A FIXED POSITION BETWEEN THE BEARINGS AND THIS IS ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE THRUST OR SPACER WASHERS. NO 5. IF THE ARMATURE FLOATS BACK AND FORTH YOU WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT GEAR ENGAGEMENT DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION THE ARMATURE IS THRUSTED. THIS IS WHAT I FEEL CAUSES THE ENGINE TO RUN FASTER IN ONE DIRECTION THEN THE OTHER. NO 6. I ALWAYS SET THE AMATURES TOWARD THE DRIVEN GEAR, THIS PUTS THE LARGEST DIAMETER OF THE DRIVE GEAR IN CONTACT WITH THE DRIVEN GEAR. NO 7. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE SOME FLOAT OF THE ARMATURE SHAFT. .005" TO .010" SHOULD BE ENOUGH. HOPE THIS MAKES SENSE AND I HOPE WE CAN FINALLY FIGURE THIS OUT. KEN -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... [mailto:david_horn@...] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:02 PM To: cesmith@...; David_Horn@... Cc: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward I agree, for some engines those measure are the answer, at least temporarily, on other engines that I've run across which developed this problem, even different combinations of washers, spring tension, comm refacing, brush bevelling, etc. didn't solve the problem. At least not for long (i.e. a couple hour of operation). For them, not only has swapping out the armature been the only thing that finally achieved forward top-speed about 20% faster than reverse, but also the only measure that lasted awhile under operating conditions. They're the engines that have me befuddled. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Smith [mailto:cesmith@...] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 2:38 PM To: david_horn@... Cc: S-Trains@onelist.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward I repeat some advice from Stan Slade. Look for brush springs that have beciome weak. Also, this is one of several causes, others being thrust washers, etc. Incidentally, I suspect that some of the armature fixes appear to work because end play is inadvertantly improved with a part change due to part tolerances. david_horn@... wrote: > > FYI, I tested three 21004's and two 21130's at York. Everyone of them ran at > least twice as fast in reverse than in forward. This was acknowledged as a > syndrome some AF engines fall victim to, but no remedies were offered, other > than one passer-by said "sounds like it needs a couple of windings removed". > I'm not sure what he was referring to or how much experience/success he had > with that idea, but I'd be interested to know more about it. > I purchased one of those 21004's and one of the 21130's. They both need comm > cleaning, etc. I hope that undoes their operating bias, but if it doesn't I > may be forced to provide them the only remedy I've found - - replace the > armature. I still wonder what it is that causes this, and whether rewinding > the armature cures this condition. I haven't had the time yet to take Bob > H. up on his generous offer to help me determine that. However, I still > plan to and the outcome of these could seriously motivate me to do so sooner > than later. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Easter Made Simple > Click Here -> > http://click.egroups.com/1/3122/7/_/494531/_/955981855/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8113	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

Ken, I agree with your principles, but one 293, for example, that I had with this problem, would only briefly respond to spacer arrangements, play settings, springs, etc. Howevever, when I put the armature from my 343 (proven to be fast in both directions, even slightly faster in fwd than reverse) in the 293 it would run like a rabbit just like the 343, even with more play or slop in the armature (.020-.040") than you might normally dial in. So I popped in a NOS armature with a only .020" washer in the front, and a .050" washer on the rear, without much attention to slop or relative positioning, and vavoom, it's off to the races and has been ever since. Hmmmm. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8114	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward

Here we go again. We've kicked this topic around at least three times since I've been on s-list. Can't seem to get enough of it. While it is possible that a brush, brush tube or brush spring defect is causing DH's 21130 and 21104 to run faster in reverse, the chances are against it. Thrust washers are not so much of an issue here because the direction of brush spring pressure is at right angles to the armature thrust. In most cases in a 5 digit loco that does this, the armature is toasted. The reason this is a common occurrence is that the 5 digit locos were designed to run on a small transformer -- 50 watts in most cases. Someone who owned a layout of classic 3 digit flyer, powered by a 100 watt or greater transformer,. and added one of these locos to it, stood a good chance of toasting the armature. For some reason, the armature damage manifests itself in a form that's hard to detect. I am convinced it's there, though. Charlie Bert, perhaps the leading expert in the world on toy train motors, was the first to point this out to me. i have always found his advice to be correct in all particulars. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8115	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

Hi all, I'm with Tom on this, and I should have mentioned it in my recent column. Oh well, time for another column! (Read the Dispatch!! Blaten plug!) I too have toyed with this problem, and have yet to figure it out, although I do plan on rewinding an armature that has been doing this, to see if that actually solves the problem. If it doesn't, then I suspect wear on the worm gear as the cause. Since the worm gear is also the armature shaft, the time will come for a real need for NOS ones, or quality reproductions! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8116	From: russcalla@aol.com	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 599

To Chris Zizzo; I have really benefited from the information I have read in the Digest over the past two years. Chris, thanks for the information on the shipping charge. I just wonder how many people did not challenge the man. Thanks for this very helpful information.---Russ Callahan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8117	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

Someone said something about an engine that was sold with a 50 watt transformer would get fried ( burn out) if put on a 100 watt transformer. I think you should reread your electric 101 books. The 50 and 100 watts are maximum out put of each transformer and the loco current draw will be the same on either. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8118	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: Re: Shipping Charges

All of this talk about shipping charges, if you have ever ordered anything from a company called "fingerhut", then you should know all about inflated shipping charges. As was said, buyer beware. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8119	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: comfortable pricing

You think eBay prices are too high? Check out the used Flyer at your average hobby shop. Sure, they have to cover overhead, employees, taxes, etc. Nonetheless, it isn't unusual to find AF priced 20 to 30 percent higher than comparable items on eBay (or in the Greenburg Guide). I don't bitch to retail store owners and clerks, thought. I take the same approach I do with eBay: I pay (or bid) what I think the item is worth. If I get it, great. If I don't, who am I going to blame? The person who outbid me? That simply means he or she wanted it worse than me. I regularly bid on Native American artifacts. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no price guide for this stuff. I bid what I can afford, what I think its worth. If someone outbids me, I shrug and move on. A local store has a 21085 C&NW Pacific for sale for $135 (in VG to EX condition). I passed, mainly because I can often find the same engines cheaper on Mark Preman's site or other dealers. But I'm sure as hell not going to bitch to the store about the price he's asking. Hell, someone will want that engine at that price--more power to him (and the store). By the same token, I bought my beat-up Gilbert HO RSD12 diesel for forty bucks. I have no idea what the "book value" is--and don't care. I was comfortable paying $40 and that's all she wrote. Have fun, guys. That's why we're here! :-) Paul Schneider Woodacre, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8120	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/17/2000
Subject: faster in reverse than forward

Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, than a 50 watt transformer. 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the motor to overheat? I think it would. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8121	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My Ebay high shipping cost story

Mine: I bought a copier for $95. The ad said shipping would be 35 lb.. He then told me that shipping costs would be $65 when I won. (If I had any idea I would have never bid.) When I questioned the amount he left negative feedback stating that I don't answer emails. It came in a crushed box. It was in very poor shape. I contacted him. He said that it was sold in "as is" condition. That wasn't in the ad. Since it never worked, it ended up in a dumpster. Just ignore the idiots and leave negative feedback. More on shipping though: If you only ship through the mail then yeah shipping should be a part of the price. Consider that probably none of the guys in S are exclusively mail order. Do you really want BTS to factor in the cost of shipping into a bunch of detail parts if you are buying them at the Spree?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8122	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Am I missing something

Another reason not to do this on Ebay is that the fee is based on the final sale price. If shipping is factored into the sale price than Ebay gets a % of it. "Roger V. Petrella Jr." wrote: > I tend to agree with Chris, some of those sellers are using the shipping > for additional profit. Kind of like the "dealer prep charges" on new > cars. At least when you look at the fine print description of these > charges they actually state "and additional dealer profit". I got burnt > bad on one of these shipping games where the charges weren't stated and > I assumed actual charges and let the seller know what I thought of him > and his charges. His reply was that the charges were for his time and > packing materials as well as postage. He offered to let me back out of > the deal but said he would leave negative feedback if I did. Turns out > he used the free priority packaging from the post office and sent it UPS > for $1.80. Someone like him should be arrested for misuse of government > property. Moral of the story is that I now check the shipping charges > statement very carefully and either add that to the bid or don't bid. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8123	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

A 50 watt transformer will not deliver any more current than what is ask for. If you have a 2 watt item hooked to it, it will only deliver 2 watts. Same is true with a 100 watt transformer. The only difference is the 100 watt transformer will deliver 50 watts more if you put 100 watt load on it. Just like your house current, you have a 200 amp service but you only pull what you need. Larry jarcho@... wrote: > Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. > > 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I > have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by > multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer > at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or > potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. > > 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will > make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, > than a 50 watt transformer. > > 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly > lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. > Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the > motor to overheat? > > I think it would. > > Tom Jarcho > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can win $1000! > Time-limited offer. Enter today at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2864/7/_/494531/_/956033522/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8124	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] ALPS Printers

If i recall correctly, the ALPS press release said that parts and supplies will continue to be available for five years. kbt >Bill, >1) Yep >2) I dunno >Not good news on either, I'm afraid! I wonder how long parts, etc. will be >available for the ALPS printers. >S' >David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8125	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformers: Watts vs Volt-Amps

- Greeting`S' - Glad to see two intertwined threads running here. Helps me understand DNA a bit better (something is better than nothing). Transformers still have to work to deliver current to non-resistive loads such as capacitors and inductors. Only resistors take real electrical power and turn it into heat, thereby consuming watts. It makes sense to rate the transformer in terms of its output voltage (maximum if it is a variable transformer such as we use with AF trains) multiplied by current deliverable without overheating the windings. Hook a fat (many microfarads) to the transformer and it will draw considerable current without dissipating much if any power. Hence the practice of rating in volt-amperes, VA. Locomotive motors have a little bit of inductance, reversing units have a little bit of inductance, electronic horn and whistle units have a bit of capacitance. However, the motor delivers real power which looks electrically like resistance, lamp bulbs have resistance, and most of the load seen by the transformers running AF trains is resistive. For our rating purposes while dealing with model trains, watts and VA are about the same. The 50 W transformer maybe should deliver 3 1/3 A at 15 V. The transformer windings will get warm because they have resistance. One result of this resistance is that the terminal voltage drops as more current is drawn from the transformer. Consider now the 100 W transformer which should deliver 6 2/3 A at 15 V while not running any hotter than its low-power cousin. The windings have less resistance. A train drawing 3 A will cause less voltage drop in the 100 W transformer than in the 50 W unit. Therefore, the wide-open transformer will deliver more voltage to the track if it is the 100 W unit and the train will run faster. The locomotive takes only the current needed to move the train at the track voltage you have selected. My own layout has ammeters to indicate that all is well or that the train needs lubricating or further attention. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8126	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader

I recently acquired an AF 751 Log Loader. When I placed it on the layout, it dwarfed all other accessories. The logs that came with it are an inch longer than the logs that came with the 717 Log Unloading Car. I am suspicioning that this may be O guage. Can anyone give me the dimensions of the base, etc. of an AF S guage Log Unloader so I can compare. Or are these things bigger than everything else in S guage accessories? Thanks. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8127	From: JOPKE, WALTER	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformer Power

Here is a little bit of information on power vs voltage in transformers The power that a transformer can deliver is indicative of how much current it can provide at rated voltage. (As far as the transformer is concerned, this is a function of the size of the wire used in the windings, the number of turns and the characteristics of the core material - in general the larger all of these are, the more power the transformer can deliver.) Electric motors (aka, your American Flyer engine) will be rated in terms of voltage and mechanical load. Again, these are a function of wire size, number of turns, the field and armature core sizes, etc and bigger means more mechanical load can be accomodated. But, as far as American Flyer engines are concerned, voltage is the main entity to be concerned about. So then, what is the difference between American Flyer 100 watt and a 50 watt transformers? At low load (aka one engine with no cars and no accessories turned on) they will both deliver the same rated voltage and you will not be able to see any difference in the performance of the engine between the two. The 100 watt transformer will not deliver any more or any less "juice" to the engine's motor than will the 50 watt transformer. But now begin to increase the load. That is, add some cars behind the engine, add some more engines on a multi-track layout, begin to turn on some accessories, etc. What this all means is that, at rated voltage, the transformers will be asked to provide more and more current to accomodate the total electrical need. But the voltage will not be increased! The 100 watt transformer will be able to accomodate twice as much "load" as the 50 watt transformer without suffering a reduction in voltage. The 50 watter will "poop" out first and if you were to keep a volt-meter across its terminals, you would see the voltage dropping as the current demand went up. If lights seem brighter on your system with a 100 watt transformer than with the 50, then this means the 50 watt unit is too small to provide the electrical needs for the system. If you carried this on too far, the 50 watt transformer would begin to heat up and, if it is a "singer", the core vibrational whine will increase and in the extreme, the lacquer on the windings would begin to smoke and eventually the transformer would burn up. Note, though, that this process is somewhat self limiting in that as the current goes up, the voltage drops and the device demanding the current will then demand slightly less current. So what happens in an AF engine, then? Well, if you make it pull more cars, the motor will have to work harder, which means that at the voltage it sees, it will ask the transformer to deliver more current. The exteme of this process happens when the motor stalls. That is, when, for whatever reason, the motor is seeing rated voltage but not turning. The wire used for the armatures are generally smaller than the wire used for the fields, so the armature will heat up first and eventually burn-out. Now the 100 watt transformer will be able to supply more current while maintaining the voltage, so if this stall process is happening to an engine, it may, in fact, burn out sooner with the 100 watt as compared to the 50 watt. The bottom line, though, is that with AF equipment maintained and running properly, a 350 watt monster is no more likely to damage motive power or accessories than a 50 watt unit. They both supply the same VOLTAGE. Hope this has helped. Walt J. Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, than a 50 watt transformer. 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the motor to overheat? I think it would. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8128	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

Hi Gents, It is time to add some confusion. In hobbyland, we make a bunch of simplifying assumptions about electricity. those assumptions are pretty useful since they enable us to make reasonable decisions without plotting graphs on the imaginary axis using e (the base of the 'natural' logarithms). But, those same simplifying assumptions also lead to a lot of superstitious misunderstandings. I hope the following discussion helps a little. There are two components to most of the electrical measurements - the DC component which is the system of amps, volts, ohms and watts that we most often see. There is also another set of measurements based on the varying current (the AC component). These measures are things like impedance, capacitance and RMS voltage. AC measures are also dependent on the frequency of the electric oscillations. Since we are talking about transformers here, and since transformers only 'work' in an AC environment, it is common for manufacturers to provide ratings in the (correct for AC) measure of Volt-Amps rather than the DC measure Watts (a measure of heat and in DC circuits equal to the product of the voltage and the current). Now, a good way to think of your power supply is like the boiler on a steam engine. The voltage is a lot like the pressure. The current is somewhat similar to the amount of water that is turning to steam. If you have a boiler rated at 50 watts, that means it can produce that much steam at some pressure. When you open a valve, some of the steam comes out and does work. At the same time, the pressure will go down a little bit. Open more valves,do more work and the pressure drops a bit more. The boiler is rated based on the number of valves that can be opened before the drop in pressure becomes too large. When the pressure dips too low, it may happen that the wheels turn too slowly or some other thing may not work correctly. Similarly, a transformer will provide one voltage when nothing is connected. For each thing (locomotive, light bulb, accessory) that is operated, the voltage drops a little. Once enough things are connected, the voltage becomes too low for useful work. With electricity, there are some other bad things that happen and that is the reason for circuit breakers and other protective devices. A 50 watt transformer loses voltage more rapidly (as things are connected) that a 100 watt transformer. The 'boiler' in a 100 makes more steam than the 'boiler' in a 50. Now, for overheating - one of my favorite things. When a light bulb filament gets hot enough to glow, its resistance goes way up. That causes less current to flow through the filament. It then draws only enough current to keep the filament hot. If there is not enough current to make the filament glow, it acts just like a wire. It will not produce light, it will act like a short circuit. We chewed on this subject a couple of weeks ago. Electric motors, even the 'DC ones' are really AC devices. That is because the current is turning on and then off rapidly. When current passes through a wire, it produces a magnetic field around the wire. It is also true that if a wire passes through a magnetic field, it will cause current to flow in the wire. (There does need to be a complete circuit). This is the good old electro-magnetic effect. When current turns on in a circuit, the magnetic field grows outward. When current is turned off, the field collapses. Nearby wires 'see' the magnetic field growth and that causes current to flow in them - just as if they moved through a magnetic field. This current that has been 'induced' in the nearby wires flows in a direction opposite to the current in the wire that started the event. In a coil, when you turn on the juice, each wrapping creates a magnetic field which in turn causes a 'reverse' current in all of the nearby wrappings. Things get complicated in there. More complicated than, yet somewhat similar to, the glowing filament in a light bulb. The 'induced' current 'resists' the original current flow. It is often called the 'back EMF' or back voltage. (EMF is Electro Magnetic Force - we measure EMF in volts.) The amount of this new type of resistance is measured as the 'impedance' and it is partially a function of the frequency of the voltage changes. So, start a motor, and it resists the start up due to friction and DC wire resistance. As it gets going, a new component, the back EMF begins to build and pretty soon the motor will stop accelerating. At this point, the system is stable. The motor is drawing some of the current and that in turn is lowering the capacity of the transformer to run anything else. If the voltage is too low to spin the motor (fast enough to produce sufficient back EMF) the windings will act like a short circuit and the motor will overheat. The safety of the motor depends on the fact that is will rotate fast enough to produce enough back EMF. So, if you use a transformer that can provide lots of current, but at too low a voltage for your motor, you can damage the motor. It will have plenty of (heat producing) current, but, not enough voltage to get it to spin fast enough to protect itself. Some large motors (in appliances, for instance) use a capacitor (or starting windings with a centrifugal switch) to provide some start up help. The extra kick from a properly wired capacitor (or the alternate windings) helps the motor to get going fast enough for the back EMF to protect the main windings during stable running. There, more that you ever wanted to know and still, there are a lot of simplifying assumptions. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... <jarcho@...> To: S-trains@onelist.com <S-trains@onelist.com> Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward >Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. > >1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I >have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by >multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer >at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or >potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. > >2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will >make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, >than a 50 watt transformer. > >3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly >lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. >Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the >motor to overheat? > >I think it would. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >You can win $1000! >Time-limited offer. Enter today at: >http://click.egroups.com/1/2864/7/_/494531/_/956033522/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8129	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: Am I missing something

Roger Petrella wrote: >Turns out he used the free priority packaging from the post office and sent it UPS >for $1.80. Someone like him should be arrested for misuse of government >property. And Lawrence Jackman countered with: > If he was arrested what would he be charged with???????????? >Stuff was free. Let the buyer beware. Actually . . . If you go to the Post Office and get a couple of free Priority or Express boxes, you probably don't notice the usage caveat, though it is there somewhere. I ordered a bunch of Priority boxes on line from the USPS site. They delivered everything for free, then they sent me a form in which I promised to only use the materials for Priority Mail shipping. If I did not sign it and send it back, they said, I would not get any further materials. The site is also peppered with notices about proper use. So, even though it is clever to disassemble, invert, and reglue USPS free boxes, as many people who have shipped to me have done, know this: it is a federal offense and the Feds have no sense of humor. The guy who charges 18 or 19 bucks to pack and send something, then uses free USPS boxes and ships for a couple of dollars by UPS has some hubris telling anyone he is going to apply negative feedback. The negative feedback you can apply to him comes from a higher authority than e-Bay! Larry is right about one thing . . . Caveat Emptor. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8130	From: Bill Clark	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Photos from the Bristol Club April Meeting

The photos from Sunday's Bristol Club meeting have been posted. The meeting was at Bob Cunningham's house. Bob has a large, mostly sceniced Hirail layout with AF and new production from AM, SHS, etc. The URL is: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/BobC/BobC.html Thanks! Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8131	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: My Ebay high shipping cost story

John Craft wrote: >If you only ship through the mail then yeah shipping should be a part of the price. Consider >that probably none of the guys in S are exclusively mail order. Do you really want BTS to >factor in the cost of shipping into a bunch of detail parts if you are buying them at the Spree? John: I never said that shipping should be a part of the price. If you take this thread there because you misunderstood what was said, then every seller is going to be jumping on this and screaming. Shipping is paid by the buyer. Most mail order transactions work that way. Shipping was never the problem. The problem was greedy sellers adding other overhead costs into the shipping cost column to free up the actual sale proceeds as more profit. This is a gouging technique in which the seller takes what appears to be a reasonable position about not being in business for free. Does BTS add on surcharges when you buy at a swap meet? Does Bill say: "It's $10 for the smokebox door, $1.30 for your share of my gas to drive here, $1.10 for my assistant's pay and 12 cents for the bag."? No, of course he doesn't, but he does have those costs to pay and they are figured into the price of what he has to sell. That's why guys at these shows know they have to sell umpty thousand dollars worth of stuff to break even for the day. If it was all surcharges, the sale prices would be all profit! I am totally amazed by the number of guys who are willing to defend being ripped off. Wake up! It's YOUR money. Two $ to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8132	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: faster in reverse than forward

Don't some AF transformers put out 15V maximum while others put out 18V? If that's true I'd think that the higher voltage at maximum throttle is the culprit, not the maximum wattage. > From: jarcho@... > Subject: faster in reverse than forward > > Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. > > 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I > have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by > multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer > at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or > potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. > > 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will > make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, > than a 50 watt transformer. > > 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly > lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. > Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the > motor to overheat? > > I think it would. > > Tom Jarcho Jerry Riechert Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8133	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Watch Your Vols, Dolts / Check Your Amps, Champs

Tom: Volt Amps takes into account other factors found in an inductive (transformer) circuit that Watts does not address. For rough figuring, you should still be able to consider them equivalent, though it is not actually so. If the 100 Watt transformer makes bulbs burn brighter than the 50 Watter did, you were overloading the 50. It's not that they are brighter on the 100, they were dimmer on the 50. Theoretically, you should be able to run optimally on a 10,000 watt transformer, because you would never overload it, and every operating or illuminating device would get enough power. Please don't all flame me now on how a transformer with that much current available is dangerous. This is just a hypothetical example to explain the principle. Each circuit ( a motor, for example) has a current requirement and a given operating voltage. The voltage is the pressure level at which that motor is designed to run. The amperage is the sea of available electricity that can be delivered to the motor. While the 50 watt transformer may have delivered 15 volts as prescribed, the sea of available power was only a little pond. Not enough could flow. The 100 watter had bigger windings, and more of them, so it could provide more electricity from which to draw. A 10,000 watt transformer could be wound for 15 volts, but it would have an ocean of current available. The motor will never draw more than it needs, no matter how big the supply, any more than you would drink more than a glass or two of water, no matter how big the reservoir. But in your scenario: "a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly lubricated train," overheating is going to occur because the motor is too heavily loaded. Cheating it of available power might make it run cooler temporarily because it hasn't all the electrons running through it's windings that it should, but that is no solution. Once you lubricate and apply an appropriate load, the motor will operate according to specs. Then, it may only need a 50 watt transformer. Yes, it might have burned up with a 100 watter before, because you were abusing it. It would be fine on the 100 after it was running optimally. You should be able to run any set with the biggest transformer available. The littlest Flyer engine is happy on a 30B. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8134	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Transformer power

A 3.5 amp load at 15 volts is drawing 52.5 watts. On a 50 watt transformer this is over it's max and will cause the voltage to drop. If this factor was counted on to reduce the voltage to the engine to keep it from burning out, then it would follow that the same engine run on a 100 watt will get more volts that it isn't able to handle. And if the higher wattage transformer also goes to 18V, that's 3 more volts for the engine to contend with. Intentional planning for voltage drops is routinely done with AC adapters for toys and appliances. For example, a device might need 3 volts to run but uses a 6 volt adapter that is overdriven into dropping 3 volts when the device is connected and running. That's why there is often a warning to only use the adapter supplied. Even if you match the voltage, the current rating might too high and burn out the device when the adapter is able to fully supply it's rated voltage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8135	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: My Ebay high shipping cost story

busy-boy wrote: (snip) > I am totally amazed by the number of guys who are willing to defend being > ripped off. Wake up! It's YOUR money. I do not believe any of us are defending those who wish to rip you off, Chris. My position is that in the free enterprise system, those who rip will not survive because he customers will go elsewhere. Ya gotta love living here (and in many other free countries) where with the free enterprise system, we are free to price as we desire. As a customer, we are free to buy or not. we are free to bitch about it on the 'net. And we are free to bitch about the bitching. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8136	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: HIGH COST OF SHIPPING

JUST AN IDEA BUT THINK...E-BAY EATS UP ABOUT 5 - 10 %...WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I PUT A NOTE SAYING " THERE IS A 100.00 HANDELING FEE ON THIS TRANSACTION - ADJUST YOUR BID ACCORDINGLY" SO IF THE ITEM IS SAY 125.00 THE PERSON WOULD BID ONLY 25.00 ( ASSUMING THEY CAN READ )...THE E=BAY BILL WOULD BE 2.50 RATHER THAN 12.50...E-BAYS FEES ARE HIGH AT PRESENT AS THERE IS NO COMPITION. BTW ALL FIGURES ARE ROUGH...I HAVE SEEN SOME ITEMS SET UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT MANY CAN BE CONTACTED LATERTO OFFER MORE STUFF...I MYSELF HAVE BEEN CONTACTED WITH OFFERS TO SELL AT BETTER THAN WHAT I LOST ON PRICES...SHIPPING AND POST SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT IN ADVANCE...OR CONTACT THEM AND ASK...LIKE I SAID...I PUT 4.00 PRIORTY ON MOST ITEMS IN MY AD...PEOPLE KNOW UP FRONT AND BID BASED ON THAT... BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8137	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] for sale

S Helper Service Track for sale on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310612914 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8138	From: John Craft	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: SHS SW-9 Trainset

Some time ago, before I changed my email address I put a posting on this list about trading SHS wheel sets. I got the trainset and wish to trade my Hi-rail wheel sets and couplers for scale sets and spacers. The pieces for which I need sets are: SW-9 PS-2 stock car TOFC steel sided box Caboose I have many other sets of SHS wheel sets to trade if anyone is interested. Please contact me off list. Thank You, John Craft

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8139	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Blatant ebay ads

> I really don't think it is appropriate to post ads for items that are on > the ebay (or any other) auction on this list. I don't mind seeing > something that is offered to list members only, but lets keep the > obvious greed factor of "needing more people to bid on my item" > mentality from this list. We all know about ebay and can see the ads if we choose > there. And yes, I did pick up a decent bargain from the last blatant post, but I had > been watching that item anyway. Sure, we can just delete these messages if we don't > want to read them, but I just think this is one thing that is totally inappropriate > here. The number of this kind of posting is one of the reasons I very rarely scan > the rec.models.railroad newsgroup. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8140	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: AM loco conversion

I have a couple of American Models locomotives that are AC hi-rail versions with sound. Does anyone know how to convert these to run on a DCC system? I checked with AM, but all Ron could tell me was that he heard it was fairly easy and that the sound units couldn't be used with the DC power. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8141	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: re-using priority USPS boxes & little green aliens

I was politely reminded at the Post Office, {when I admitted the box I was sending was in fact, a priority mail box turned inside out..the way I received it}, that re-using these boxes, is a GOOD thing {thank you Martha Stewart!}, it keeps costs down at the PO, ...BUT, only if you, me, us,.. pay the $3.20 priority mail amount, and not take all the free boxes and use them in another way. And I don't need the mail police chasing me down!! And now for something completely different....... For those who like a little silliness around the layout , how 'bout some little glow in the dark aliens? Took my 4yr old out for desert last night and found a machine full of theses guys! Not quite 1-1/2"s tall.....with a marble sized head and a body of an over stuffed 'S' figure. Huge alien eyes..and I guess I mentioned they glow in the dark, ......25cents each. If you want some and can't find a machine, email me and I'll load up a bag of quarters and round ya up some before they head back to the mother ship!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8142	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward

Tom, it more properly could be said to "allow" the engiine to overheat by allowing it to draw roughly twice the current. A well lubricated and not overstressed locomotive would pull the same current on both transformers. Doubling the wattage to allow a "current sucker" to run better is merely masking the fact that the engine draws more current than a 50 watt transformer can provide. The simple DC formula is E=IR (Ohm's Law) where E is voltage, I is current, R is resistance (load). In AC the resistance becomes Impedance but the relationship is similar. The DC formula is easier to understand. Watts=EI and thus wattage at a given voltage determines how much current you can draw. At the same voltage the 100 watt transformer can deliver about twicw the current of a 550 watt transformer. jarcho@... wrote: > > Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. > > 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I > have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by > multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer > at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or > potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. > > 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will > make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, > than a 50 watt transformer. > > 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly > lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. > Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the > motor to overheat? > > I think it would. > > Tom Jarcho > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can win $1000! > Time-limited offer. Enter today at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2864/7/_/494531/_/956033522/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8143	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader

My 751 has logs too long for the knuckle coupler gray 917(?) log car but the right length for the 717 yellow tinplate link coupler log car. I cut a set of shorter logs for the 917 from an old broom handle years ago. Yes, the log loader dwarfs the usual accessories. It is a pretty good accessory, reliable and fun to display or watch. colin_olsen@... wrote: > > I recently acquired an AF 751 Log Loader. When I placed it on the > layout, it dwarfed all other accessories. The logs that came with it > are an inch longer than the logs that came with the 717 Log Unloading > Car. I am suspicioning that this may be O guage. Can anyone give me > the dimensions of the base, etc. of an AF S guage Log Unloader so I > can compare. Or are these things bigger than everything else in S > guage accessories? Thanks. > > Colin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy the award-winning journalism of The New York Times with > convenient home delivery. And for a limited time, get 50% off for the > first 8 weeks by subscribing. Pay by credit card and receive an > additional 4 weeks at this low introductory rate. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3102/7/_/494531/_/956066466/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8144	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power

I have a transformer that is 22 VA Max. What does that in watts? Don T/. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8145	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Armatures

- Greeting`S' - This discussion of faster in reverse armatures is providing much food for thought. So far I have managed only one thought. 'Tain't much, is it? A difference in motor performance may be made by shifting the commutator slightly in the angular direction on the shaft, relative to the windings. If anyone has a "faster in reverse" armature and a good-running armature, the rest of us will be most appreciative is you examine them side-by-side to see what part of the winding faces the slot between commutator bars. Let us know that, please, and whether the commutator is a radial or drum pattern. Many thanks. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8146	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Rub-on Transfers

Does anybody have experience making dry rub-on transfers on a computer printer and/or where to get the paper for them? The only transfer paper I can find is that for making iron-on transfers which I'm sure isn't the same thing at all, is it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8147	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power

Roughly 22 Watts. Actually 22 DC watts if the output is DC. Robin Thompson wrote: > > I have a transformer that is 22 VA Max. What does that in watts? > Don T/. > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > SW-1s and next run of straight track > are now shipping! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956088842/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8148	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Transformer power- [last line typo corrected]

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [S-Trains] faster in reverse than forward Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:26:44 -0400 From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> To: jarcho@... CC: S-trains@onelist.com References: <v01540b01b521613b1f27@[209.122.228.225]> Tom, it more properly could be said to "allow" the engiine to overheat by allowing it to draw roughly twice the current. A well lubricated and not overstressed locomotive would pull the same current on both transformers. Doubling the wattage to allow a "current sucker" to run better is merely masking the fact that the engine draws more current than a 50 watt transformer can provide. The simple DC formula is E=IR (Ohm's Law) where E is voltage, I is current, R is resistance (load). In AC the resistance becomes Impedance but the relationship is similar. The DC formula is easier to understand. Watts=EI and thus wattage at a given voltage determines how much current you can draw. At the same voltage the 100 watt transformer can deliver about twice the current of a (50) watt transformer. jarcho@... wrote: > > Larry, I'm a little confused here. Perhaps someone can clarify. > > 1. Transformers were once rated in watts; are now rated in volt-amps. I > have heard that these terms are roughly equivalent, calculated by > multiplying volts x amps. Now to me this means that a 100 watt transformer > at full throttle, will deliver more electricity at greater pressure, or > potential, than a 50 watt transformer at full throttle. > > 2. It has certainly been my experience that a 100 watt transformer will > make bulbs burn brighter and enable locos to run faster and pull more cars, > than a 50 watt transformer. > > 3. Picture this scenario: a 5 digit loco pulling a long, heavy, poorly > lubricated train. This loc designed to operate with a 50 watt transformer. > Would not a 100 watt transformer, at full throttle, possibly cause the > motor to overheat? > > I think it would. > > Tom Jarcho > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can win $1000! > Time-limited offer. Enter today at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2864/7/_/494531/_/956033522/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8149	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: armature orientation

Good point. I checked that before on a few engines with this problem, and reported to this group that I found no differences. However, I will check that as I proceed to work on a couple of "syndrome victims" I recently purchased. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8150	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power

Don, the usage of VA instead of watts stems from the fact that only heat is dissipated as power, and only W can be used as that measure. VA is reactive power; that is, it doesn't dissipate power. For your purposes, the two are the same, but VA is more technically correct. The figure associated with VA will give you a good idea about how "powerful" your ac transformer is. For any other description I'd have to go into a rather lengthy discussion and use vector diagrams and solve using basic trigonometry, i.e. the Pythagorean Theorem. If you really want to know and study that, I can recommend some books on basic electronics. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:16 PM To: 's-trains@onelist.com' Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformer Power I have a transformer that is 22 VA Max. What does that in watts? Don T/. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956088842/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8151	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: fastdr in reverse than forward

Thanks to all who have contributed to a most informative discussion. A further question set: 1. Why does an AF loco motor spark at the brushes? Reverse emf? 2. Why does it spark more at one brush than the other? 3. Why does one brush or the other spark more, depending on direction? 4. Why do Flyer motors spark much more than Lionel ones. 5. Can this be prevented with a capacitor or diode? Thanks, Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8152	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Watch Your Vols, Dolts / Check Your Amps, Champs

Elictricty 101 Thanks Larry busy-boy wrote: > Tom: > Volt Amps takes into account other factors found in an inductive > (transformer) circuit that Watts does not address. For rough figuring, you > should still be able to consider them equivalent, though it is not actually > so. > > I

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8153	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: SHS

S Gaugers, Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off of the track ? Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8154	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose

Dear Dave, Maybe the SW-9 is lonely? Don T. Dave Ewing wrote: > S Gaugers, > > Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off of the track ? > > Dave > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy the award-winning journalism of The New York Times with > convenient home delivery. And for a limited time, get 50% off for the > first 8 weeks by subscribing. Pay by credit card and receive an > additional 4 weeks at this low introductory rate. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3102/7/_/494531/_/956104738/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8155	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/18/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose

Don, Not exactly the technical answer that I was looking for but I'll move the caboose up next to the engine. Should it be between the engine and the other cars or in front of the engine? Thanks for the great products Dave ps.. It is amazing how many s-gaugers that I talk to on the internet that had not heard about SHS.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8156	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: Blatant ebay ads

Glenn sent this to me by mistake and told me it would be okay for me to forward to the list. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Glenn Sarlitto wrote: > Amen to the previous post about BLATANT EBAY ITEMS. Although I believe > in totally free enterprise, listing ebay items or other auctions that > the messenger is selling is not appropriate for this list. The next > thing you know someone will try and sell mortgage financing. It might > go something like: > > "Check MY Website for the Lowest Financing Rates - Bad Credit OK. Will > exchange closing costs for American Flyer Coal Loader and Gabe the > Lamplighter." > > As of late, there has been several interesting topics on electricity, > and loco conversions. These are the types of topics that this list > was designed for. > > Like I've commented before in other posts, LET'S KEEP IT S'imply S'. > > Selling an item on this list may be close to spamming on onelist, > which is forbidden by the rules. Anyone else have any thoughts on > this? > > Also, is it possible to remove a message once it has been posted? > > Like I've commented before in other posts, LET'S KEEP IT S'imply S'. > > Glenn Sarlitto > Sgauger2000

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8157	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Wheel swap

I have over 100 hi-rail wheelsets that I would like to trade for scale wheelsets. Interested parties can contact me off-line. Thanks, Roy Hoffman rhoffman@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8158	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Blatant ebay ads

Thanks Roger for forwarding..... and to the both of you, I disagree with an asterisk. I think it is OK for members of the list to make an occasional mention of an eBay item (theirs or that of someone else) or to offer items for sale or trade. The key is that it should be occasional. Swapping is part of the hobby just as cussing and discussing trains is. The asterisk has to with the volume of traffic. Notices about sales or trades become spam-like when they take up too much space - either through excess frequency or excess length. Most of the members of the list seem to be not tto shy about expressing opinions. So, I expect that if someone sends us too much sales talk, they will get an inbox full of flames to help them mend their ways. Good Luck, Bill Porter >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarded and edited >>>>>>>>> Glenn sent this to me by mistake and told me it would be okay for me to forward to the list. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Glenn Sarlitto wrote: > Amen to the previous post about BLATANT EBAY ITEMS. Although I believe > in totally free enterprise, listing ebay items or other auctions that ... Anyone else have any thoughts on > this? > ... > Glenn Sarlitto > Sgauger2000

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8159	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy

Hi all, I just received the following message, thought you might be interested. S' David D. -----Original Message----- From: randy.swain@... Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine >Hello to all, > >Tomorrow night, (April 20th) at 9p.m.EST is our chat with the President of Lionel, Dick Maddox. >There will be drawings for prizes, including a Limited >Edition Toy Fair 2000 Lionel Boxcar. Everyone who attends is eligible to win. > >An FYI on how we are going to conduct asking questions. >I will let that person know by posting his/her name and letting him/her know that he/she has the floor to ask his/her question. So please be patient, I will make sure everyone has a chance. > >Thank you and see you all at the chat, >Nocofeman >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8160	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] My Ebay high shipping cost story

Scott, What kind of feedback rating did this seller have. It is a problem that when a person is reluctant to give negative feedback to a person who deserves it, that others will be screwed over and over by the same seller. I have had a couple of problems with eBay sellers, and left neutral feedback to one, and the other problems were resolved more or less to my satisfaction. I have to say that whenever I see in an auction that they are going to charge for "handling" a red flag goes up. I have passed over many auctions that stated that I must pay for handling. I will pay exact shipping or a reasonable flat rate, but avoid auctions that have handling charges. Also FYI, keep a list of sellers that you do not want to deal with again (my "no buy" list has seven sellers on it), and keep in mind that they can change their use name or even start an whole new eBay account. Some of these guys do this when their reputation is too tarnished. Also, if the seller is not a train person, but is an antique dealer or a private individual selling something out of their attic, take with a grain of salt their statements regarding condition. They likely know nothing about TCA grading, and it is unfortunate that the word excellent or VG will mean something quite different depending on the persons experience with collectable trains. Keep an eye out for phrases like "in excellent condtion for its age". This is a tipoff that they are not using TCA grading, and are making a condition judgement based on different standards. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8161	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Chat with Lionel Pres Dick Maddox

Thought this may interest some. If you sign up for yahoo club called "More trains than you can imagine" You can chat with the pres tomorrow night. Following is the e-mail I received today from the founder of that club. I have to work tomorrow night so I can't make the chat. Hope someone here can. Chris Burger Hello to all, Tomorrow night, (April 20th) at 9p.m.EST is our chat with the President of Lionel, Dick Maddox. There will be drawings for prizes, including a Limited Edition Toy Fair 2000 Lionel Boxcar. Everyone who attends is eligible to win. An FYI on how we are going to conduct asking questions. I will let that person know by posting his/her name and letting him/her know that he/she has the floor to ask his/her question. So please be patient, I will make sure everyone has a chance. Thank you and see you all at the chat, Nocofeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8162	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy

Dear David, If you get the chance to confer with Dick, maybe you can do better than I did when I asked him at Toy Fair in New York a few weeks back why they do not display any AF at the trade shows (They did not have any as the past York or the Nat. Model and Hobby Show in Chicago last fall either). I received a very short and terse answer from a obviously upset and red faced Dick, that they did not need outsiders telling them what to make or what to display. I am not sure what I did wrong, maybe it was just a bad hair day for Dick? Don t. David Dewey wrote: > Hi all, > I just received the following message, thought you might be interested. > S' > David D. > -----Original Message----- > From: randy.swain@... > Date: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 6:55 AM > Subject: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine > > >Hello to all, > > > >Tomorrow night, (April 20th) at 9p.m.EST is our chat with the President of > Lionel, Dick Maddox. > >There will be drawings for prizes, including a Limited > >Edition Toy Fair 2000 Lionel Boxcar. Everyone who attends is eligible to > win. > > > >An FYI on how we are going to conduct asking questions. > >I will let that person know by posting his/her name and letting him/her > know that he/she has the floor to ask his/her question. So please be > patient, I will make sure everyone has a chance. > > > >Thank you and see you all at the chat, > >Nocofeman > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/7/_/494531/_/956156135/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8163	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: York Report

Hey Gang, You think the prices on ebay are nuts............ I saw prices that made me feel I had gone through a worm hole. I didn't buy anything for the first two days at York because of the ridiculous pricing. As the week wore on, the prices started to come back to reality and the best prices were Saturday(the last day). A lot of Flyer went home unsold because of the high prices. I was able to score a collection in South Carolina on the way up to York and another in Lewiston, PA on the way home. All in all, I spent about $7,000 for the week. May should be a pretty big list if I can get it all cataloged by then. The open market shot the bird at some of these guys who thought they had gold on their tables instead of toy trains. The harder to find stuff and the quality pieces are certainly holding their values but buyers are not catering to speculator prices. (Of course, this is all relative to the last time you looked up a particular item in Greenbergs Price Guide-which we now call the "wholesale guide") Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8164	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] York Report

In a message dated 4/19/00 5:24:31 PM, amerflyer@... writes: << You think the prices on ebay are nuts............ I saw prices that made me feel I had gone through a worm hole. I didn't buy anything for the first two days at York because of the ridiculous pricing. As the week wore on, the prices started to come back to reality and the best prices were Saturday (the last day). A lot of Flyer went home unsold because of the high prices. >> ..........well, please permit an alternate view: There was a reasonable (although not overwhelming) amount of nice Flyer available at both the pre-meet and York itself. It appeared to me that there was a reasonable balance between collector and operator grade pieces. Nice steam and accessories were again in quite short supply. One needs to recognize that the days of 'cheap' Flyer are long gone. Sales were quite brisk, as judged from piece rotation on the tables as well as from some very satisfied comments by several of the dealers in AF who were present. Three of the more prominent dealers had their best one day sales at York ever. If one was looking for nice pieces to add to one's collection, it was a great York -- if one was looking for pieces to take home for resale, it was tougher -- but, what else is new? Personally, my two AF friends and I had a GREAT time and we were able to see much more of what we would like to own than we could muster the $$ to buy. Nonetheless, I managed to bring home some nifty additions to my AF S gauge empire. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8165	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy

On 4/19/00 3:13 PM, Robin Thompson, robin@..., said: >I received a very short and >terse answer from a obviously upset and red faced Dick, that they did not >need outsiders telling them what to make or what to display. Do customers count as "Outsiders"? Perhaps when "outsiders" don't buy what Dick has to sell, he'll take notice of what the "outsiders" want. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8166	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose

OK, OK,........what kind of transformer are you using? I will admit that Will Holt had some problems with one of our cabooses and a MRC power pack. I never did figure that one out. This is even more freakers. Don T. Dave Ewing wrote: > Don, > Not exactly the technical answer that I was looking for but I'll move the > caboose up next to the engine. Should it be between the engine and the other > cars or in front of the engine? > Thanks for the great products > Dave > ps.. It is amazing how many s-gaugers that I talk to on the internet that > had not heard about SHS. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8167	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: talk to Dick at L Thursday night

I am copying this note i sent to Don T to the list in the hopes that one of you may help get this message out to Dick, since I won't be able to. Looking forward to a report on the event! S' David D. Don , Hmm, based on the time, I may not be able to be online either, I am have to help prepare a meal tomorrow for 80 people. RATS. My hope was that enough S people would show up so that at least one of us gets to ask an S question. I realize that good flyer products could be competition for yours, but the also could attract more people into S making more demand, and have just the opposite effect--i.e.: more demand for your product! My hope was to make him realize that a lack of demand for his AF product has been because of poor decisions of what to make, or how to make it. The best examples of that that I can give is; 1) the WP CZ set. Finish on the cars is rough, the loco paint jobs are boring, and WP never had PAs. Product that would have sold: CZ cars in Chrome, and Rio Grand PA locos. Also, adding a dome to the observation would have really set this set apart! 2) the new caboose. Plastic endrails look awful, mold execution is "clunky" and lacks some basic details--the whole thing looks too much like a cheap 027 caboose. What would have been better: Metal end rails, cleaner mold production, with rivet detail on the sides and metal floor. On the other hand, I would have just made a NEW roof mold piece for the bay window caboose and had a "new" caboose for much less development cost! Of course, if L really wanted to do something great, they would have had a caboose done like yours! S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8168	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8169	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/19/2000
Subject: Paper you sent me

David D. please contact me off list. I lost your e-mail address. Thanks, Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8170	From: dlich	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: chat with the lion----el

guys remember im an old guy what site do i go to tonight to sit in on this discussion? thanks for the help dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8171	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose

Don, I'm talking about the really great SHS ICG starter set and using the 22w transformer that is supplied with the set that my wife bought for me last Christmas. The train is a terrific runner even at very slow speeds. Except for the little grinding noise that the engine makes when it goes around curves everything is perfect. I am just curious as to why the engine slows down when I take the caboose off the track. If the train is going creepy slow it will even stop when the caboose is removed and start up again when the caboose is put back onto the track. When not in use the caboose is parked very close to the engine as to keep each other company. Thanks for the great products. Dave

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8172	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: BLATANT EbAY ADS

I recently posted an e-mail about an item I had listed for sale on eBay. I purposely mention the fact that a solicitation was being posted for those that were not interested coud delete or skip over the post and not waste their time. I hoped this would alleviate any problems with upsetting those who would be sensitive to a "non-S" discussion. If I'm made aware of the nature of the post I haven't objected to the content. Anyway, the item did go to a member of this list for a very nice price for him. Sorry to have burdened anyone by this post. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8173	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Need: original thick link coupler

Hi All, Looking for an original link coupler without the weight and it must be the thick link. Anyone? George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8174	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: SHS SW-9 Loves Its Caboose

Dear Dave, First, I am not sure. I do know that the power pack does have momentum and I know that the caboose has a constant lighting circuit. Maybe there is some relationship between the back emf of the SW-9 motor, the momentum and the constant lighting circuit. Anyone else have an idea? Don t. Dave Ewing wrote: > Don, > I'm talking about the really great SHS ICG starter set and using the 22w > transformer that is supplied with the set that my wife bought for me last > Christmas. The train is a terrific runner even at very slow speeds. Except > for the little grinding noise that the engine makes when it goes around > curves everything is perfect. I am just curious as to why the engine slows > down when I take the caboose off the track. If the train is going creepy > slow it will even stop when the caboose is removed and start up again when > the caboose is put back onto the track. When not in use the caboose is > parked very close to the engine as to keep each other company. > Thanks for the great products. > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Win $1000 this Friday! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2860/7/_/494531/_/956229774/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8175	From: Bill Porter	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATANT EbAY ADS

Hey John, It is no burden to most of us. Your careful use of the subject line is a lesson to us all. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: rxman46321@... <rxman46321@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: [S-Trains] BLATANT EbAY ADS >I recently posted an e-mail about an item I had listed for sale on eBay. I purposely mention the fact that a solicitation was being posted for those that were not interested coud delete or skip over the post and not waste their time. > >I hoped this would alleviate any problems with upsetting those who would be sensitive to a "non-S" discussion. If I'm made aware of the nature of the post I haven't objected to the content. > >Anyway, the item did go to a member of this list for a very nice price for him. > >Sorry to have burdened anyone by this post. > >John Griffin > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni >already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll >find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: >http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956246815/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8176	From: John Craft	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] BLATANT EbAY ADS

The delete button is next to the enter key for all those confused about its location. I use it often for many subjects that do not interest me. They can too rxman46321@... wrote: > I recently posted an e-mail about an item I had listed for sale on eBay. I purposely mention the fact that a solicitation was being posted for those that were not interested coud delete or skip over the post and not waste their time. > > I hoped this would alleviate any problems with upsetting those who would be sensitive to a "non-S" discussion. If I'm made aware of the nature of the post I haven't objected to the content. > > Anyway, the item did go to a member of this list for a very nice price for him. > > Sorry to have burdened anyone by this post. > > John Griffin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956246815/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8177	From: Gerhart, Paul	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy

Hi guys, My sense is that Lionel Flyer is moving pretty slow. Every retail shop I have visited lately has it marked down substantially and I bought some cars recently (in a retail shop) for less than half the "normal retail" price. Comparing the quality with SHS, AM, and other manufacturers in S, it is understandable, I suppose. I hope someone asks what Lionel really wants (from a strategic perspective) with the AF name. As the other manufacturers develop their lines, I do not see that AF has a future and unless Lionel is prepared to make AM and SHS offers they can't refuse, the competition from S (if there really is any competition) will continue to grow. Paul Paul F. Gerhart -----Original Message----- From: Michael Westphal [mailto:westphal@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:48 PM Cc: s-trains Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Chat with Dick Maddox, the L guy On 4/19/00 3:13 PM, Robin Thompson, robin@..., said: >I received a very short and >terse answer from a obviously upset and red faced Dick, that they did not >need outsiders telling them what to make or what to display. Do customers count as "Outsiders"? Perhaps when "outsiders" don't buy what Dick has to sell, he'll take notice of what the "outsiders" want. Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/7/_/494531/_/956188133/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8178	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/20/2000
Subject: Maddox

> > > Also ask him if L will revive the SD40-2 project. That's something we scalers > would be interested in. > cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8179	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox

Maybe the Ly'nL chief didn't have much to say to Don Thompson because he didn't want to share his "marketing strategy" with a competator. Maybe Maddox was ashamed to put AF and SHS in the same building. Maybe L doesn't give a hoot about S. Ron Kemp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8180	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox chat--how'd it go??

OK, Well as I suspected, I didn't get home until after 9PM, so wot happen'd?? Anything interesting to tell?? The night wasn't a complete loss, as we were going out the door, the chap from accross the street came over and said, "I've found another box of train stuff." Well, I bought it, 2-1/2 pairs of 720As and some bits and piece of L accessories (barrels, pipe, and some transformer handles) for $10!! He mentioned that his boss found some other stuff, but it already went to the auction! Oh well, missed out again, that was probably all the cars and engines, as all the AF I got from this "find" has been track , control buttons, and transformers. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8181	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LC

In a message dated 4/21/00 4:11:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Looking for an original link coupler without the weight and it must be the thick link. >> Have these. OCCASIONALLY have original '46 also (thin shank)....but they're tough! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8182	From: dlich	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: maddox

allright fellows; i listened nd learned a lot last night...........my OTHER hobby is politics.............their was not a legitmate marketing or hobby answer given by mr maddox...............he gave only political answers...........one would think that hese people would have the decency to admit that they keep s sidetracked so as not to compete with their lionel brand...............they produce just enough "new" items to qualify as an on going concern...........the fact is they have no intret in doing more a specific question refering to the sd project was deflected as not enought intrest and when queried futher the answer was a "marketing" decision..............oh well no one said life was fair dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8183	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] maddox- Moderator's bias

Well, that's sad news. The site is supported by GTS, and we already know what they think of S, so I'm guessing the moderator prevented any "controverSial" questions from reaching Mr Maddox, or the Public. Guess we'll just wait for SHS, AM and MTH to make so much better S stuff that L will dry up and blow away! Seems like SHS is already way ahead of the game! Take their wonderful catalog to your favorite hobby shop, let them know what great stuff is out there! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8184	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: 360/364 Diesels

Everyone: I have a couple questions about the 360/364 Sante Fe Diesels that I have: 1. I have seen both an air chime whistle controller and a diesel horn whistle controller which look very similar. Will both of these work with the horn in the 364 PB unit and, if so, does it make any difference which one I use? 2. The 360 powered unit always moves very slowly when I first start to run it. After several circuits around the track at full power it comes up to full speed gradually and then I have to reduce the power to keep it on the track. Are the slow starts just age or would some type of cleaning of the motor help. This engine was serviced when I first bought it over 5 years ago, but not since then. However, it probably is only run 2-3 times a month for 30 minutes or so. I use an 18B 190W transformer to power my layout. Thanks in advance for your usual helpful responses. Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8185	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: What happened next??

Funny how things go... Re the Maddox chat...all seemed very tame..or is that LAME..we were asked to have our questions ready..my opportunitywasnt far off..so had my question all lined up and sat patiently...had to respond to nature..and as I was coming back my little girl was very proud to tell Daddy she she sent Daddy's message (oh NO!!) and she could play the 'snowman' game which she managed to "hang".... I sheepishly rebooted but though it ina ppropriate to reenter the Maddox chatafter the accidental barging!! :-(( My question might have been intersteing had it been answered which I doubt..as it was out of order ....lirerally!!..but did refer to the "S" malaise and the abandoned SD40-2 project was any response made..or was it nicely avoided..just curious?? ah kids do the darndest things....silly Daddy...and she was so proud!! >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8186	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What happened next??

Answer to the SD40 question was that it failed due to a lack of support. No one explained what "lack of support" meant when it was never realy for sale. Richard wrote: > > Funny how things go... > > Re the Maddox chat...all seemed very tame..or is that LAME..we were asked to > have our questions ready..my opportunitywasnt far off..so had my question all > lined up and sat patiently...had to respond to nature..and as I was coming > back my little girl was very proud to tell Daddy she she sent Daddy's > message (oh NO!!) and she could play the 'snowman' game which she managed to > "hang".... > > I sheepishly rebooted but though it ina ppropriate to reenter the Maddox > chatafter the accidental barging!! :-(( > > My question might have been intersteing had it been answered which I doubt..as > it was out of order ....lirerally!!..but did refer to the "S" malaise and the > abandoned SD40-2 project > was any response made..or was it nicely avoided..just curious?? > > ah kids do the darndest things....silly Daddy...and she was so proud!! > > >:~)) Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956365269/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8187	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Just A Question

In reading all the chat about Lionel and there lack of interest in "S" did anyone think to ask. 1. If there not going to do anything with All the tools and dies for S why don't they sell it to someone who will? 2. Why are they being so foolish in there judgement? Making a buck for the business is what there in business for. I don't know, But,Isn't that what the stock holders want. Just wondering. Bill Sandrus ROHR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8188	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just A Question

Bill Its all about the old adage.."keep your freinds close...and your enemies even closer" Lionel doesnt really want to do anything with AF...but it daren't let it out of its grasp lest it turn around and bite it!!...an exploding interest in S is not what a O-Guage company wants. Lionel will keep Flyer on the barest of all life support..that is all folks..whats the bet that you never see another new die cut for Flyer whilst big L owns it. Given Maddox's mediocre impact at big L..it makes you wonder who was the real force behind Bachmanns turn around?? >:~)) Richard Bill Sandrus wrote: > > In reading all the chat about Lionel and there lack of interest in "S" did anyone think to ask. > 1. If there not going to do anything with All the tools and dies for S why don't they sell it to someone who will? > 2. Why are they being so foolish in there judgement? Making a buck for the business is what there in business for. I don't know, But,Isn't that what the stock holders want. > Just wondering. > Bill Sandrus ROHR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956367506/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8189	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Great Trains/Dick Maddox fiaSco

Last night's chat with Maddox from Lionel reminded me of a quote from the great Yogi Berra of the New York Yankees...."If the fans don't want to come to the ballpark...then there's no way we can STOP them." It doesn't look like Lionel will be producing much in S gauge as evidenced by their lack of LISTENING. It appears that their great marketing team has long ago decided that S gauge is not worth the time and effort. Too bad for them. About twenty five people showed up for the chat. There were seven questions concerning S gauge, of which four were answered. I was able to get the first S question in.....What is LIonel's Plan for the American Flyer Line? ANSWER....."I've said many times before that we have every intention of researching the marketplace for product's that we could produce in S gauge. We do have items planned and have released some of them already this year and we'll continue to do more of them in the future. Thanks for your question." Other questions: Richard (esdee40) asked a question concerning the SD40 but wasn't answered. Richard, your daughter sent the message at the appropriate time. You were given the floor, but they skipped the S question. Charles Smith asked about the sd-40 and Maddox responded with.... "unfortunatley, the locomotives were so poorly supported by the marketplace that we were unable to expend resources to produce it." Jfred436 asked about the Western Union Series and asked if they would be offered in Flyer S line. Maddox responded with.... "Again, we haven't made our decision on what we might be building in S gauge" UKFlyer asked about the SD-40. Maddox responded with..... "UKFlyer, it was a business decision and there is not much more I can say about this area." Jfred436 asked about the Lionel catalog being the largest yet, but no S guage.. why? The reply came from the Host...Nocofeman...... "Mr. Maddox has addressed S gauge enough tonight-let's move on with the time we have left." I interjected with...."That's why U can't sell - U just don't want to Listen to the marketplace." At that point I was told that was RUDE and one more comment like that, I would be asked to leave. I waited my turn, but to no avail. I wanted to ask if Lionel was interested in selling the Flyer Line just to see how Maddox would answer, but it ended a few minutes later. Of course they are not interested in selling Flyer. After all, someone with guts and marketing know how just might make it work again. And that would mean more competition for Lionel. As I am relatively new to serious S gauge, I just can't understand the negative thinking towards S gauge. Anyone have a thought on this? Has it always been like this? Glenn Sarlitto Sgauger2000 P.S. The next most popular type questions concerned NEIL YOUNG's involvement with Lionel production, of which Maddox responded with how much he is contributing. No wonder the present tour with Crosby Stills Nash & Young is a flop...Neil is thinking too much about trains.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8190	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Radio Control Racing Champions

KB toy store closing out a $9.95 vs $29.95. 1. Now how can we reprogram the sound chip in the base? It plays a long sound effect. 2. One could use the car motor to work a crain by remote control. Check this out. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8191	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Maddox fiaSco

The current CSN&Y show is really excellent according to my nephews and neices who went. Neil Young has still got it going on. It's his train company that seems a little shaky right now, esp in terms of S. Things may improve though. Maddox may be another prez of the month -- seems there have been a lot of prezzez over there. Someone w ability imagination and staying power may yet fall into that chair. Who would want to buy the Flyer dies anyway? Who needs MORE PA's? Their main asset is the Flyer name. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8192	From: Richard	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Trains/Dick Maddox fiaSco

Glenn Sarlitto wrote: > > Last night's chat with Maddox from Lionel reminded me of a quote from > the great Yogi Berra of the New York Yankees...."If the fans don't > want to come to the ballpark...then there's no way we can STOP > them." > > > Richard (esdee40) asked a question concerning the SD40 but wasn't > answered. Richard, your daughter sent the message at the appropriate > time. You were given the floor, but they skipped the S question. Ill let her (Zoe) know she did realy well!! :-)) I think if nothing else they Dick and crowd will know that S is not dead..yet ironically that may make them even more resolved to keeping it under wraps. I dont normally get nasty but I really cant help but wish that Lionel disolves into some abyss....companies with such negative attitudes really dont deserve to prosper. You know if it wasnt for the detrimental effect to S I almost wish Bachmann would enter into O..just to wipe Lionels smug grin off its face..though I think MTH is probably doing well enough there...and I think Atlas will be the reall bain of Lionel. L is acomapny whose time has well and truly come and gone. SHS and AM have the floor to themselves..and deservedly so. Everyone needs to understand that Flyer is a nostalgic Yesteryear product ...deserving of adulation but in terms of tense..its "past"...life moves on. Anyone know how Lionels comapny sheets read....are they an Exchange listed outfit..or private these days...a good read of their reports (annual) would give us a time line on their demise!! Rust never sleeps!!! apparently it does in Lionel-land >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8193	From: Mac	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: sw-9

Message: 8 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:40:07 -0400 From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> Subject: SHS S Gaugers, Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off of the track ? Dave I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8194	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just A Question

I think the old AF dies and molds are worthless as they are not up to the new standards of today. Also the story is Bachmann is the tale of the dog. They are owned by the company in Hong Kong and have been for a while and I think this is about when they made their turn around and Mr. Maddox had little to do with it except to do as he was told. Larry Richard wrote: > Bill > > Its all about the old adage.."keep your freinds close...and your enemies even > closer" > > Lionel doesnt really want to do anything with AF...but it daren't let it out > of its grasp lest it turn around and bite it!!...an exploding interest in S is > not what a O-Guage company wants. > > Lionel will keep Flyer on the barest of all life support..that is all > folks..whats the bet that you never see another new die cut for Flyer whilst > big L owns it. > > Given Maddox's mediocre impact at big L..it makes you wonder who was the real > force behind Bachmanns turn around?? > > >:~)) Richard > > Bill Sandrus wrote: > > > > In reading all the chat about Lionel and there lack of interest in "S" did anyone think to ask. > > 1. If there not going to do anything with All the tools and dies for S why don't they sell it to someone who will? > > 2. Why are they being so foolish in there judgement? Making a buck for the business is what there in business for. I don't know, But,Isn't that what the stock holders want. > > Just wondering. > > Bill Sandrus ROHR > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956367506/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956369545/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8195	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9

Well...................................... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac <macflyer@...> To: S-Trains@onelist. com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] sw-9 > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:40:07 -0400 > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > Subject: SHS > > S Gaugers, > > Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off of > the track ? > > Dave > > I think I can. > I think I can. > I think I can. > I think I can. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956371919/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8196	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9

Dear Dave, I still am not sure and decided not to disturb my advisors over Easter weekend. Is that O.K.? Don t. Dave Ewing wrote: > Well...................................... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mac <macflyer@...> > To: S-Trains@onelist. com <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] sw-9 > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:40:07 -0400 > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Subject: SHS > > > > S Gaugers, > > > > Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off > of > > the track ? > > > > Dave > > > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956371919/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can never start too early, or too late. Education is > the key to a healthy future for our planet. ENN provides > the materials to teach others to protect our environment > and understand why it's important. > http://click.egroups.com/1/2795/7/_/494531/_/956402814/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8197	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: AF by Lionel

Hi Guys, This whole things about Maddox not giving us what we say we want appears quite simple to me. 1 Who cares anyway, we already have enough available. 2 But, here is how to make them WANT to pay attention to us. All we have to do is flood SHS and AM and a few others with enough orders for their really great products and the the dollar figures do the rest. just a simple mind here Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8198	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: Dave's insight re: AF by Lionel

Dave Ewing wrote: > Hi Guys, > > This whole things about Maddox not giving us what we say we want appears quite simple to me. > > 1 Who cares anyway, we already have enough available. > > 2 But, here is how to make them WANT to pay attention to us. > > All we have to do is flood SHS and AM and a few others with enough orders for their really great products and the the dollar figures do the rest. > > just a simple mind here > Dave Dear Dave, You have hit the nail on the head. ........Over that last few years, we have attended many hobby trade shows, and there is interest by many multigauge model railroad companies in "S" gauge. They talk to us about the market. To them S scale is an enigma. They know from MR surveys that we barely exist and "S" makes no sense as a business investment. Yet we show up every show with even more stuff, trains, track, catalogs, etc. than the last show. They see our ads in CTT and our press releases in the other magazines. We tell them that we are not the largest maker of S trains, but just one of several. They envy our support from such a small market (ratio of sales vs. number of S gaugers). But, they wonder, if things are so good in"S", why doesn't the largest "S" company ("L") take advantage of its position and make a killing. The truth is, it is about love. Yes, it is about the love of "S". All current "S" train makers are themselves "S" gaugers and love the gauge (or scale). With Lionel and other multigauge companies, they are in love too! Although they too may love trains, but, it is not S gauge or S scale trains that they love. No, they love money! Which is O.K., (I guess we all like that too!). If they make a product in "S", they will expect a return on investment, You have to understand, that for them, making XYZ prototype that the scale must, should, gotta have, is not the return that they are looking for. Whereas, for the rest of us, breaking even with a little extra for the next "got to have product for the scale" might be enough to sustain us, it will never work for a non-S train maker. So, we see Lionel ignore us, Third Rail drop it plans (they may still be waiting for more reservations), MTH put his toe in the water with a accessory with cross market appeal, in the last few years (decades), Overland, Oriental, Alco Models, NWSL all tried "S", but then dropped out. Even our own beloved Larry Jackman took the plunge, then sold off his interest. Have I missed any others? Ironically, we have lots of "S" gaugers. But the challenge here is to get more of them to refocus their S gauge train dollars from products made over 30 to 50 years ago to items that are in current production. This is slowly happening. If we (AM, SHS,, S scale America, River Raisin, et.al) ever get to the point where out stuff sell out before the containers arrive like MTH and "L" 0-27 products do, then and only then will you see a rush of others to make lots of stuff in "S". Don T. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8199	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: "L" questions

> Now that I really think about it. For Lionel to make a REAL diffeence, the best question that I would like to see answered is, "When will they make > entry level trains sets in S gauge?". They have the name (AF), the marketing ability and the resouces to make it happen. Otherwise, in a few years, AF > will be worth as much as a tradename as "Dorfan" -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8200	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Slow start

Like Art, I experienced the same slow running diesel that would speed up after a short time. I found that by spraying WD40 on the armature the engine would immediately speed up, then resume the slow speed after the WD40 was consumed. The engine would then again speed up after a short time. That motor was always a great runner until it had been stored for a long period. I had done a pretty good job of cleaning up the engine so I'm sure there wasn't dried grease gumming up the works. I have wondered if I centered the field properly but havn't gotten around to checking. Ron Kemp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8201	From: William H Trefts	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Lionel Stock?

Folks, After reading some of the comments from the Maddox interview, this silly notion came to mind. If Mr. Maddox has to answer to stockholders, then why not create stockholders whose main interest is in S gauge? Perhaps even a minor stockholder who bothers to show up at the annual report meetings and voices his opinion to produce American Flyer might get the ball rolling. I would doubt that the "powers that be" at Lionel even want S mentioned before the stockholders. So, does anyone know if Lionel has stock, or is it privately owned? And-----Does anyone have money they want to through to the wind by buying Lionel stock? Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8202	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: want to trade

Hello fellow 1/64ths: I started yesterday on my BTS Elliots and Sons Supply kit. Included with it is a Winross Wheaties delivery truck. Now I'm doing my building as renovated structure for a my modern -era layout and the truck doesn't fit. So I'm wondering if anybody wants to trade for it. By the way the kit is fascinating and attractive. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8203	From: Gale Hall	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF by Lionel

Good Morning, You know herein lies the major problem in S, the AF mind set, if we don't get more Flyer this hobby is going to dry up.....you have folks saying, Yess Sir!!!! I support S gauge I operate nothing but AF link coupler equipment, or if AC didn't make it, I don't buy it.....or I wouldn't have any of the L word Flyer on my layout. Now right here are the mega bucks that get plowed into this hobby....and all that has been said is about Flyer. "Let's flood SHS and AM and others with orders" .....Why not honor them with orders, they are on our side, they are producing S gauge. Remember the NASG Chicago convention is 75 or 76 when Lionel folks came to announce the brand new use of the name American Flyer........Ta Da and it was on an HO set.....and lots of folks clapped.. Sure did S gauge a lot of good. American Flyer is to S gauge trains as Winross is to 1/64 trucks and Ertl is to 1/64 tractors, others make products, maybe more detailed, correct paint and so on, but if it isn't one of the three the value stays low, with one of the three the value or increase in value goes sky high. We never had it this good, we have many manufactures of S gauge trains in operation and doing business today....when you get over the shock that AC is not coming back, start talking to the people that are making S trains today about what you are interested in and do recognize and show them you buy there products, then every one wins. If Dick Maddox had come on and announce that he was going to make "Gabe and the Prayer Tower" or a Talking Cloud....there would have been a major rush on the banks Friday morning getting money to send to Lionel for reservations. As it is he gave nothing... you got nothing, and suddenly the answer is flood SHS, AM and others with orders, no telling what we might have if everyone had been ordering from them all along. Cause nothing happens until someone sells something. And Dave the prototype answer for the slowing down of the SW-9, is when you for some reason are lifting the caboose off the track while it is running the train brakes are setting. If however you will stop the train close the angle cock on the last car and uncouple the caboose, you then can accelerate once more and have nothing to compare the change in speed too. This is of course the S scale point of view. Otherwise, get a switch and wire the siding so it is always hot too and you can park the caboose on the siding and continue to operate at the faster speed, with or without the caboose coupled to the engine. gale hall >From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> >To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> >Subject: [S-Trains] AF by Lionel >Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:39:24 -0400 > >Hi Guys, > >This whole things about Maddox not giving us what we say we want appears >quite simple to me. > >1 Who cares anyway, we already have enough available. > >2 But, here is how to make them WANT to pay attention to us. > > All we have to do is flood SHS and AM and a few others with enough >orders for their really great products and the the dollar figures do >the rest. > >just a simple mind here >Dave > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8204	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] want to trade

Alex Binkley wrote: > > Hello fellow 1/64ths: > I started yesterday on my BTS Elliots and Sons Supply kit. Included > with it is a Winross Wheaties delivery truck. Now I'm doing my building > as renovated structure for a my modern -era layout and the truck doesn't > fit. So I'm wondering if anybody wants to trade for it. > By the way the kit is fascinating and attractive. > cheers FYI... the truck is a Hartoy American Highway Legends 1939 Peterbilt. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8205	From: Mac	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9

Dave - No insight beyond the Little Red caboose book that was read to me by my grandfather and which I read to my grandson :) -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 7:33 AM To: Dave Ewing Cc: S-Trains@onelist. com; Mac Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9 Dear Dave, I still am not sure and decided not to disturb my advisors over Easter weekend. Is that O.K.? Don t. Dave Ewing wrote: > Well...................................... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mac <macflyer@...> > To: S-Trains@onelist. com <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] sw-9 > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:40:07 -0400 > > From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> > > Subject: SHS > > > > S Gaugers, > > > > Can anyone tell me why my SHS SW-9 slows down when I take the caboose off > of > > the track ? > > > > Dave > > > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > I think I can. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million alumni > > already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll > > find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at: > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/7/_/494531/_/956371919/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can never start too early, or too late. Education is > the key to a healthy future for our planet. ENN provides > the materials to teach others to protect our environment > and understand why it's important. > http://click.egroups.com/1/2795/7/_/494531/_/956402814/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8206	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Watch that watch

David Dewey said: Take their (SHS's) wonderful catalog to your favorite hobby shop, let them know what great stuff is out there! Larry's Hobby Shop, Jericho Turnpike in Elwood, 5 miles from my home in Northport. Just before Christmas, I was evaluating the idea of buying an SHS starter set for my nephew. I had just gotten him into Learning Curve wooden Thomas trains the year earlier. He's only 2! I have him and his newborn brother enrolled in the TCA kids club. (I had to pass them off as my grandkids! Shhh!) Eventually, I decided that he's still too young. Next year, I think, I am going to put together an unbreakable Flyer basic steam set and start him there. Back to Larry's. I was asking about S-gauge and the old guy said, "Yes, he could get it, but why was I fooling around with a dead gauge? Nobody buys "S" anymore, hardly anybody makes it, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah." Then he whips out a Lionel catalog and shows it to me. "Lionel used to make that American Flyer "S" gauge stuff, but nobody bought it. This is what sells," he says, pointing to the 0 gauge three rail toys for emphasis. Then he adds, "When you can show me a catalog of "S" gauge stuff like this, then maybe I'll carry it in the store!" What? A challenge? And me with a new Showcase Line catalog right on the front seat of my car. "Just a minute," says I, and in less than a New York minute I am handing the man the SHS catalog. Talk about throwing the book at the guy! He was several pages in and saying things like, "This can't be all S gauge, summadis gotta be HO." and "Geez, lookit da track!" and "Complete sets, they got sets? I thought they just sold some hopper cars." Well, live and learn. I wonder Don. Has this guy bought any stock for his store? BTW, Three Guys Hobbies on Main Street in Smithtown has a load of SHS, especially flats with building material loads and an SW-9 in NYC paint. The boxes are fading horribly in the fluorescent light. The trains are fine. Full retail price w/10% off for cash. Not the friendliest people. That's the report from Long Island. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8207	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF by Lionel

Dear Gale, Thank you for your enlightening answer regarding Dave's very curious observation. We will continue to look for an answer, but so far, I think you have found the most entertaining reason. Best regards, P.S. For me the the best part of "S" other than the size is the friends I have made. Some of my friends on the list I have known for over 4 decades, Gale is one of them! > > > And Dave the prototype answer for the slowing down of the SW-9, is when you > for some reason are lifting the caboose off the track while it is running > the train brakes are setting. If however you will stop the train close the > angle cock on the last car and uncouple the caboose, you then can accelerate > once more and have nothing to compare the change in speed too. This is of > course the S scale point of view. Otherwise, get a switch and wire the > siding so it is always hot too and you can park the caboose on the siding > and continue to operate at the faster speed, with or without the caboose > coupled to the engine. > > gale hall > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8208	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9

> Dear Dave Late braking news from Don Richards...........Maybe the caboose electronics are helping to slightly rectify and/or or filter the power that the SW-9 motor sees. Don T. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8209	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: More Xmas Lights Questions

I want to use part of a string of 115vac miniature xmas lights in place of the 115vac bulbs in a Dept 56 village. How do I calculate the number of bulbs to hook up to an AF transformer (probably on variable voltage post)? Thanks for your help. Dick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8210	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: s-train trader

Hi guys, There is one American Flyer guy in town who keeps his collection in the original boxes locked away somewhere at his house. Although I've visited him twice, I've seen nothing. I have no other s gauge people within two hours of driving. I have offered things for trade on the list three times. Each time has resulted in getting to know another model railroader better. Each time tbey have been happy with what they got, and I felt fortunate for what I received. I appreciate the opportunity and service that Paul has created for me. I'd hate to see a lot of "not allowed" rules limit it. Thanks again, Paul! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8211	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Mad Ox

Friends: I was unable to join the on line chat with the president of Lionel, but I have read the results on this list and have taken great heart in what I have heard. More than 25% of the questions posed were about S-gauge. These were serious questions about train manufacturing. The next largest group of questions were about music personalities and other teen fan topics relating to the company. Richard Maddox appearance in this chat was a "puff piece", a little public relations nonsense meant to garner more kudos for the company. The bruised leader of Lionel comes away from this with a realization that the guerillas of "S" are armed and dangerous. Nice job, you guys! I don't think that Mr. Maddox has the same impression of the S gauge market now as he did the day before yesterday. He may consider it was all a fluke, an organized effort by a determined minority to challenge him in his happy little chat appearance, but he has got to wonder how that all got organized. All emotions aside, please remember that Lionel is a business; first, foremost, and always. If they thought they could make big money in S gauge, we'd be swimming in trains and chatting away merrily like the Lionel defenders of the TCA mail list. For a first attempt at direct communication, this chat sounds like a victory for S. You street fighters just may have awoken the sleeping giant. Of course, there's no guarantee that he won't roll over, mumble something and go quickly back to sleep. We'll have to be ready for that. The results of this initial arousal may be another offering in Flyer; another test like the SD-40. Perhaps now would be a good time to e-mail the company with suggestions for the next Flyer product. Organization here is the key. Let's decide on one item, then all ask for the same thing. Let's NOT mail bomb Lionel with requests for every odd shaped regional railroad 0-3-0 that suits our own particular needs. Let's NOT tell Richard Maddox just what's wrong with his company and how it's let us down. Let's get a consensus from on-line S-gaugers of what we would like as our next piece of Lionel production and then let's write and NICELY ask big L to produce it. It should be something with NEW tooling. We need committment. But it should be easy. A Big-Boy might not go over well as a start-up piece, a diesel or a freight car would be better. (Deep-well stack cars come to mind. Simple car, rectangular containers.) Then, we should buy the damn things. It needs to be a sell-out. If it works, from a purely business point of view, they will be willing to do another. This is the only way I can see to save American Flyer. American Models, SHS, Downs, PRS, Des Plaines, American Hi-Rail, Ballston, and any others notwithstanding, American Flyer was the name that got all of us here. It is our heritage and if we want to save it, now that it is in the hands of its greatest competitor, we have to make it worth the effort for these businessmen to take the chance. So put your emotions aside and let's think rationally. He's not Mad Ox, he's Richard Maddox. Love him or hate him, he holds the key to American Flyer, and he is interested in success. I will be happy to correllate and collate your ideas on the next pice of Flyer production. Send them to me OFF-LIST! busy-boy@... Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8212	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] sw-9

Hi all, I'm no electronic wizard, but I'll bet the answer has something to do with the momentum control and the constant lighting circuit in the crummy. Yeah, this is a "crummy" answer! (sorry, couldn't resist that one!) As for diagonsing the problem, how about an old non-ic circuit transformer to run it and see if the situation changes? You could even use an AF transformer and a 15 rectifier!! <G> I'd say, by the time the Christmas market hits, we should have all the bugs found for Don!! ;-) S' David "Run 'em if ya got 'em!" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8213	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: Watch that watch

Great job Chris! And a great idea for all of us, keep an (extra) SHS catalog in the car, briefcase, pocket, etc. to whip out and "Bring them to the Right Size!" You will be assimilated!! As to S not bringing the caSh return that zero scale does, that may be true in the short-run, but if you take a long view (something US companies used to be able to do) the investment today builds to provide a stable return tomorrow. SHS has built to the point today that a complete catalog, track, and FINALY complete sets are now made. Granted, almost every penny, and maybe more, has be turned back into the development of more product. The point will come though, when returns will exceed re-investment, proving the cleverness of Don and Co.! At least this is my belief, looking on from the outside, and raised with a belief that one's treatment of others determines your destiny. Enough "Deep Thinking", back to running trains! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8214	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Watch that watch

Dear Chris, As usual, great e-mail. Chris wrote.........The boxes (SHS) are fading horribly in the fluorescent light. After paying extra for UV coating for our boxes that did not prevent the fading, we decided on new colors that I am hoping do not fade. The Starter sets were the first item in the new 2000 packaging. The SW-1 followed and so will the reefer/rebuilts coming this summer. Also, we are trying to have all of our packaging updated. The fading problem was first pointed out to us by good friend, Ron Sebastian of DesPlaines Hobbies and S Scale America. Don t. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8215	From: Richard	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Che Guevara Prize!!

The feedback from some of you about my litle girls timing of hitting the "enter" button has led me to award her the Che Guevara prize for saboutaging a chat!! she got an extra Easter Egg!!..shame she locked up the PC in doing so ...would have loved to have seen the host/organiser of that chat running for the panic button :-( (wish I had done it myself..all praise to Zoe) Chris's idea of hitting the Mad Ox with a concerted effort has merit (cant believe Im saying something pro-AF!!) ....my choice a current ouitline diesel like a Genesis AMD..with coaches would be a seller..my thoughts alas!!...it fits the Flyer mold, but updated...current Flashy Train..something everyone recognises...or maybe a F59PH and train..even more flashy. Yep I reckon ol' Dick went away scratching his head a little ..well done 'S'treet Fighter'S' :-)) i dont think he'll be venturing into chat for a little while :-)) As Chris ventures...while the iron is hot.. cheers >:~)) Richard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8216	From: Hannon	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Using WD-40 on Armatures ... DON'T!!!

First of all, whoever added me to this list ... thank-you! I've enjoyed most of the posts. But, my wife (who's on this computer all day long, and has to move all the posts to my mailbox) doesn't. So, before she unsubscribes me, let me get at least this one post out! WD-40 is great stuff (for door hinges)! But when applied directly to an armature, it's really the beginning of the end. I can't tell you how many Lionel and ACGilbert armatures I've rewound where the customer applied WD-40, achieved a spectacular performance for a while, only to see the motor eventually resume its poor performance. WD-40 (actually, any oil at all) will settle between the segments on the commutator, will actually boil when the armature is powered up, mix together with brush carbon and dirt that gets caught between the commutator plates, and eat its way into the plastic (phenolic, or whatever) substrate shorting the commutator plates out. If not throughly cleaned out, it will eventually eat deep into the plastic/phenolic substrate underneath the plates until it reaches the anchors which hold the plates to the substrate, and may eventually eat its way through the substrate until the commutator plates are shorted to the armature shaft. WD-40 (again, any oil at all) will attack the brushes and turn them to mush. And where does this mush go? Right into the gap(s) between the commutator plates, adding more fuel to this destructive process. So, if you've done this to your diesel (or any other loco), stop running it right now, pull the armature, and clean the slots out with an X-ACTO knife, until all the crud is removed. If you get a gritty feeling as you draw the knife through the slots, then the process has begun. Bob Hannon !!!REWINDING!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8217	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: NPSG MARCH NEWSLETTER

NORTH PENN S GAUGERS TRACKSIDE Vol. 2 No. 10 March, 2000 is on line at: http://members.xoom.com/northpenn_s/main.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Corresponding Secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8218	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8219	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: AF By Lionel

Comments : Must respect the competition. Convinced some time ago that Lionel is not going to save American Flyer--would probably hope "we" die? If I won the lottery. most certainly would prove to SHS & American Models that I am a supporter. The wife would have a coronary from all the train stuff in the house. It's tough now as it is. I have a few "AF by Lionel" items that I like, but others are a big disappointment from a company that has the capacity to make them better-my opinion. Is there any investing in S Gauge available--I mean stocks? Might be a way of support(?) for our gauge. I'm curious. JR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8220	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] More Xmas Lights Questions

Find out the voltage of the bulbs in your set. If you have the set box it usually givs the set voltage for replacement purposes. Another trick- if the set is wired in multiples, when you pull out one bulb see how many go out. If about 35 go out them divide 115 by 35 and the result is nearly 3. This mesans they're 3 volt bulbs. In this case divide 3 into the output voltage you get from your transformer. If it's 15 volts place 5 bulbs in series and you're there. Same procedure for other voltages. I like to run mine a little under voltage. A 10% drop in voltage gives a much larger than 10% increase in bulb life. Dick Kuepper wrote: > > I want to use part of a string of 115vac miniature xmas lights in place of the 115vac bulbs in a Dept 56 village. How do I calculate the number of bulbs to hook up to an AF transformer (probably on variable voltage post)? Thanks for your help. > > Dick > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You can never start too early, or too late. Education is > the key to a healthy future for our planet. ENN provides > the materials to teach others to protect our environment > and understand why it's important. > http://click.egroups.com/1/2795/7/_/494531/_/956415459/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8221	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Switch

I have seen some of you ask about pikemaster track on this list from time-to-time. There is a pikemaster switch on e-bay currently. Item number 310756663. J. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8222	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: WHATS IN A NAME

American Flyer was an "O" Gauge company in Chicago that sold their logo to A.C. Gilbert of New Haven. We all know that. Lionel and Gilbert American Flyer went bankrupt in the 1960s. We all know that. The names, logos and some tooling were bought by a cereal company which sold it to others until we have a pop singer and friends selling plastic toys. Lets get real here. We are into 1/64th scale trains. Lets support the people and companies making fine products for our hobby or buy used, high quality, 1950s toys. Let MTH, Lionel, Weaver, Williams, K-Line and others fight for supremecy in "O" gauge toys. Guess what? S Scale is an active hobby without them. Yes! We can be S Scale then and free of the AF/Scale upsetments Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8223	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8224	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: L

I don't get it? Why not give up on Lionel completley rather keep discussing a lost cause ? AF will not be produced properly until it becomes a priviate entity on its own. Lionel will never give it up. Unless they get an offer so great it can't be ignored. Since we have almost 500 members I'll bet at least one of you could easly buy out the AF line from Lionel. And I'll bet that person has so much money it won't be missed. Now, How to motivate that person ?? Comments ?? Roger Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8225	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: AF

Some asked, "Who wants more AF PAs"? Answer. The guys that don't have them. The old Dies can be upgraded with more detail. I used to work for a die Mfg. PAs can be made with road names that were not used before. I would like B&M AF items. or other New England items. A person interested in purchasing the AF line might wonder, how to sell enough of it to make it worth while? Find a chain Dept. store (Product) buyer in need of a lot of money. Wave enough money under his nose and he will place a large order for the AF trains. Now, --- How to make sure the trains get sold ? We need to get kids interested so they will be new "S" guagers. How? Sponser someones music video. That person agrees to use AF trains in the background. There are many other ways to get the word out. AC Gilbert had TV commericals. This could be done at smaller TV stations to get costs down. Many hotels have their own in house cabel TV systems. A good place for Adds? Inserts in Newspapers? Credit card companies will allow Advertising inserts for a fee. Do you suppose a movie company will allow to have AF trains in a movie. Is a Movie company going to do a movie in your town. Find out where. Get a AF train Poster in the area before they start shooting film. Kids love AF trains. It must be put where they see it and can buy it. Get a list of all the baby boomers. Send them a add. Would your grand kids want AF trains ? Make it irresistable. :o) With enough imagination. the world could be flooded with AF advertising Lets see now,--- If all 500 of us sent A AF train Advertising link to ten locations to get linked to someones site. :o) The list goes on and on. But first one of us has to buy out from "L" Now who is rich and likes a challenge?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8226	From: John Denholm	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Trains & Spring Tyme

Hi Guys & Gals ; <jde> Here in Edmonton ca. Thought I would drop a line to let you all know how the Egg lake RR is going. I have managed to put to-gether a nice comfortable Fleet Through the help of the SGuagers on line I have cleaned and repaired all my engines except for one which needs a SIT Tender innards I had a chance to Bid on one But my pc went west so i Bought a new one by the tyme I got all set-up and running smoothly the bids were over and i lost my chance <If anyone can help me out here please advise as I do need the innards for the SIT Tender > even if you just have the smoke unit would be just fine? As it is now Spring tyme up here in Edmonton That means Spring Cleaning Oh Yeah just great ? I have packed the R/R away and now concentrate on repairs & Cleaning until fall when i will set up again Fortunatley we have a RR Club that has a A-F Line so I can still Train once in awhile. <David Dewey > < Tom Jarcho> if you fellas are reading this do you have a cure for a broken whitewall? it's just chipped about a 1/2 " is missing can I use an epoxy to rebuild the mising chunk as the rest of the sidewall is ok? its a #293 Loco and a real beauty also I am interested in installing a coupler on at the front of my #293 Loco any suggestions wouild be helpfull it does not have to be hot just as long as I can Manually uncouple my cars? well I have managed to Build a layout with a mainline which is DC and a innerswitch yard and line which is AC lots of fun. Thanks for the listen please drop a line that sort of thing Thanks again I remain John .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8227	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: whitewall repair

John: I would prefer to cut out and dig away the damaged part of the whitewall and cut a piece from a damaged whitewall to glue in there with zap. Some cutting filing and fitting involved. Epoxy won't hold u as well. In order to put a front coupler on the 293 you would have to cut off the cowcatcher which would destroy its value as a collectible. You could then probably attach a coupler to the pilot truck. How well it would work I don't know. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8228	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF

Then they would not be AF PAs but new Lyinal PAs Larry Roger Hinds wrote: > > The old Dies can be upgraded with more detail. > > PAs can be made with road names that were not used before. > I would like B&M AF items. or other New England items. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8229	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Notes from Dick Maddox chat session

Someone on the Great train store club posted these notes from the dick mad ox chat the other night. Hope these answer some of the questions for those who weren't able to make the session that night. Chris Burger notes from the chat with Dick Maddox on April 20,2000. These are not comprehensive, as I missed about 10 minutes in the middle of the session. These notes are my shorthand answers. I am not attempting to quote any of Dick’s answers verbatim. 1) Anything special planned for the LCCA/LOTS convention in July? Production tours of Lionel’s plant Commemorative product in the Lionel store Specially made safety goggles 2) Any new PRR locomotives? New locos this year? a. maybe on the PRR since it is so popular 3) Lionel wasn’t involved in the Learing Center at the Railroad Museum of PA, any comments? a. Before year’s end Lionel will be involved, deluged with requests for sponsorship elsewhere (including Ronald McDonald House) and many other charities 4) Bring back the Ambassador Program? a. It was very valuable to Lionel, but b. Resource constraints made it impossible to maintain the program c. Many former Ambassadors in many areas are doing special projects 5) Will Lionel continue to use Korean Brass as a supplier? No reason not to, moving aggressively ahead with production 6) American Flyer Plans? a. researching the marketplace for products b. Do have items planned (no specifics mentioned) 7) When to expect the next Cab-1 System? a. rehashed the Odyssey system specs b. ZW YardBoss announced c. Surprises in the next 12months 8) How/Is Neil Young involved with Lionel? a. part owner b. Contributor of technology 9) Improving quality, how? a. nothing specific, various ways of testing products 10) Plans for articulated locos that will run on tighter radii? a. looking into it (realizes there is a strong market for these types of engines) 11) Modern Diesels for the AF line (another question about the failed AF SD40)? a.NOPE 12) Anything going on with a new version of railscope? a. No 13) Will the Western Union series be offered for the AF line? a. no decisions regarding this 14) Any EZ track like products scheduled? a. no conclusions yet on using roadbed or upgrading current track system b. good possibility of new track system in the next 18 months 15) Another question about the failed AF SD40 Why did it fail when indications showed otherwise? a. Business decision 16) Upgrade the PowerMaster (weak link in the TMCC system)? a. always working on electrical upgrades 17) Any more weathered engines/rolling stock? a. not really but would consider it 18) Another catalog this year? a. Yes, to be released this summer, 60% size of the first one b. Current catalog has been the biggest success in Lionel’s history

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8230	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/23/2000
Subject: Caboose???

Mac wrote: >No insight beyond the Little Red caboose book that was read to me by >my grandfather and which I read to my grandson. Mac: I've never read "The Little Red Caboose" but I have read Watty Piper's tale of self reliance and fortitude against the odds called, "The Little Engine That Could." I do believe that book was the source of the quote: "I think I can. I think I can. I think I can. I think I can." Toot Toot, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8231	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Western Union Series

What is this Lionel Western Union Series I keep reading about? Wayne J. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8232	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Caboose???

Is "The Little Red Caboose" the one where the train rolls back down the hill out of control and the caboose reads all the signs backwards? Loved that one. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8233	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Little Engine that Could

For more than you ever wanted to know about the Little Engine that Could, see my page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/littleng.htm -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8234	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: lionel and S-gauge

Here's my take on Lionel: Lionel can't even hold onto their grip in O gauge. MTH is putting a serious hurt on them, and for good reason. The MTH products are much better looking and running and they cost so much less. So I think their attention is focused on trying to beat back the challenge from MTH, Williams and Weaver, who all make better products at lower prices than them. I don't think they will be successful either. I also don't think we'll be seeing any S gauge stuff from Big L in the immediate future because of that. I hope MTH has great success with the coal loader (I pre-ordered one) and decide eventually to make more accessories in this scale. I don't want to see them compete with SHS and AM, but to add complementary products instead. We'll see what happens....... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8235	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and S-gauge

Hi Paul, I am in agreement that Big L will not be making more than a couple of pieces new for a long time. They will be spending all there money on trying to stay afloat against there O competition. As for the MTH Coaler, i have a feeling this accessory will be a WHOPPING SUCCESS for them. Infact, it will be so successful, that they will continue to make ACG accessories. I for one have also preordered my MTH Coaler, not one but two. Wayne Broadhead "finerty, paul" wrote: > > Here's my take on Lionel: > > Lionel can't even hold onto their grip in O gauge. MTH is putting a serious > hurt on them, and for good reason. The MTH products are much better looking > and running and they cost so much less. So I think their attention is > focused on trying to beat back the challenge from MTH, Williams and Weaver, > who all make better products at lower prices than them. I don't think they > will be successful either. I also don't think we'll be seeing any S gauge > stuff from Big L in the immediate future because of that. I hope MTH has > great success with the coal loader (I pre-ordered one) and decide eventually > to make more accessories in this scale. I don't want to see them compete > with SHS and AM, but to add complementary products instead. We'll see what > happens....... > > Paul Finerty > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8236	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

FOLLOWING IS LIONEL'S SUPPORT:??? TALK TO US@LIONEL wrote: We will forward your suggestions to the appropriate department. Thank you >>> Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> 04/22/00 11:19AM >>> Dear Dick, I have read many comments about your online interview about the future of AMERICAN FLYER by Lionel. Many S Gaugers (the NASG has over 2,000 members) hope that you would continue to produce the American Flyer Line as you portrayed in previous catalogs including the SD 40-2 diesel. What is lacking is advertising to the general public that American Flyer still exists. Spots on TV or in magazines such as Time or Newsweek would reach a broader market. Manufacturers such as yourself run limited adds in Classic Toy Trains which is NOT subscribed to by most American Flyer owners. There is a market out there of Fathers and Grandfathers who occassionally run their American Flyer trains for their children and grandchildren but don't expand their layouts because they don't know what is available. I bought my first American Flyer set in 1952 but didn't hear of new American Flyer by Lionel until 1992 when I went into a hobby shop and saw an American Flyer Missouri Pacific set by Lionel. I then went to a NMRA convention in 1993 and learned of S Gauge clubs. I startet by visiting the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers and then joined the Neshaminy Valley American Flyer Club. I started the NORTH PENN S GAUGERS Club in 1998. I was elected National Association of S Gaugers Secretary in 1999 and we (the NASG) would like to promote American Flyer, High Rail, S Scale and Sn3 nationally to the public but our funds are limited. Your support of American Flyer publically would help increase an already existing, strong S Gauge community of hobbiests. We, the NASG, welcome your involvement and support. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Ritter, NASG Secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8237	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks I would like to congratulate John Craft on his new feature article S-Curves in Model Railroad News. I received a copy from the publisher today, John you did a great job on your first article, way to go. Also thanks for putting in plugs for the NASG and our 2000 car project. Guy's look for the May 2000 issue of Model Railroad News page 18. This publication is the one that looks like a newspaper. Reviews you did on the new S products I think will generate much interest to possible new S gaugers. Starting the next issue there will be a NASG membership application included. John Great job THANKS John Foley NASG VP [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8238	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Caboose???

Is "The Little Red Caboose" the one where the train rolls back down the hill out of control and the caboose reads all the signs backwards? Loved that one. Yep, that's the one, Tom! "Farmer Brown whose bald on top wishes he could rotate the crop" Burma Shave. Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8239	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Models for Convention

Hi Folks Lee Johnson the Chairman of the NASG part of the San Jose Convention, asked me to relay this message. If you are coming to the convention please about bring a model to enter in the contest. Thank You Lee has a problem with his computer. John [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8240	From: john foley	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Models for Convention

----- Original Message ----- From: john foley <foley164@...> To: S-Trains <s-trains@onelist.com>; S-Scale <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 10:52 AM Subject: [S-Scale] Models for Convention I must be losing it!! I added THINK > Hi Folks > > Lee Johnson the Chairman of the NASG part of the San Jose Convention, > asked me to relay this message. If you are coming to the convention please > THINK about bring a model to enter in the contest. Thank You > Lee has a problem with his computer. > > John > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/1/_/576498/_/956598895/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8241	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Dear Glen, What a great letter. I wonder what the logistics are to invite him to speak at the NASG National convention. If he is busy this year, maybe he would be free next year? Don T. Glenn Ritter wrote: > FOLLOWING IS LIONEL'S SUPPORT:??? > > TALK TO US@LIONEL wrote: > We will forward your suggestions to the appropriate > department. Thank you > > >>> Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> 04/22/00 11:19AM >>> > Dear Dick, > > I have read many comments about your online > interview about the future of AMERICAN FLYER > by Lionel. Many S Gaugers (the NASG has over > 2,000 members) hope that you would continue to > produce the American Flyer Line as you portrayed > in previous catalogs including the SD 40-2 diesel. > > What is lacking is advertising to the general public > that American Flyer still exists. Spots on TV or in > magazines such as Time or Newsweek would reach > a broader market. Manufacturers such as yourself > run limited adds in Classic Toy Trains which is NOT > subscribed to by most American Flyer owners. There > is a market out there of Fathers and Grandfathers > who occassionally run their American Flyer trains > for their children and grandchildren but don't expand > their layouts because they don't know what is available. > > I bought my first American Flyer set in 1952 but didn't > hear of new American Flyer by Lionel until 1992 when > I went into a hobby shop and saw an American Flyer > Missouri Pacific set by Lionel. I then went to a NMRA > convention in 1993 and learned of S Gauge clubs. > I startet by visiting the Lehigh Valley S Gaugers and then > joined the Neshaminy Valley American Flyer Club. I > started the NORTH PENN S GAUGERS Club in 1998. > I was elected National Association of S Gaugers > Secretary in 1999 and we (the NASG) would like to > promote American Flyer, High Rail, S Scale and Sn3 > nationally to the public but our funds are limited. > > Your support of American Flyer publically would help > increase an already existing, strong S Gauge community > of hobbiests. > > We, the NASG, welcome your involvement > and support. > > Staying on the NPSG branchline > of NASG track, > Glenn Ritter, > NASG Secretary > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8242	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] whitewalls

In a message dated 4/24/00 4:02:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << <David Dewey > < Tom Jarcho> if you fellas are reading this do you have a cure for a broken whitewall? >> They're also replaceable, although you have to pull the wheel to do so. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8243	From: john foley	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: Paul Stevens

Hi Folks Paul Stevens our NASG president has had some heath problems later. He is home and doing better. If anyone would like to sent a message to Paul please do at. craftrr@... John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8244	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: NIMCO

Does anyone have background information on NIMCO (Nixon Model Company)? This company put out wooden kits of railroad rolling stock that was compatibel with s guage. I have in my possession a box car from this company, complete with box & instructions. The box car has AF link couplers. Any ideas on value? Thanks. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8245	From: Don Thompson	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: Re: NIMCO

Dear Colin, Nimco made stuff in the 40's and 50's in "S". Nimco was the short name for "Nixon Model Company" of Southampton, PA. The company was owned by Ben Nixon. I have a 1952 (#6 -48 pages) and 1954 (#8 -60 pages) Nimco Catalog. They sold everything "S" From American Flyer to 1/64 scratch building supplies, track work, signals, decals, you name it. I have no idea of the value. Don T. colin_olsen@... wrote: > Does anyone have background information on NIMCO (Nixon Model > Company)? This company put out wooden kits of railroad rolling stock > that was compatibel with s guage. I have in my possession a box car > from this company, complete with box & instructions. The box car has > AF link couplers. Any ideas on value? Thanks. > > Colin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/7/_/494531/_/956691470/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and 2nd batch of 10" & 15" straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8246	From: busy-boy	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Dear Glenn: The American Flyer situation is a touchy one at Lionel, particularly for Dick Maddox. When a letter is sent to him or to one of his associates, it needs to be right on the mark. It must be clear, concise and businesslike. This man has no inerest in your or anyone's personal toy train reminiscences. Neither is he likely to welcome suggestions on how to run the company. Don Thompson went out of his way to warn us that Mr. Maddox does not want unsolicited advice by outsiders. Lionel does not do much advertising to the general public at all, even for their 0 gauge stuff. The idea that they might advertise S gauge is beyond credibility. A tiny 1/8th. page in CTT would be a breakthrough; in a non-train magazine it would be unheard of. Television? Lionel has no television budget. How could you fathom suggesting to the president of Lionel that he develop an advertising budget for a product he does not want to even discuss? You wrote as the Secretary of NASG, therefore you expressed the opinions of that organization. That means that the NASG endorses your position, your misspellings and your cute sign off, which may be appropriate on a mail list, but does not cut it in a formal business letter. It also means that, in Dick Maddox' mind, your letter represents the collected opinions of S gaugers, since you purport to represent a central group at the heart of the hobby. I do not believe that you did S gauge any good with Lionel. When I posted recently to the list, I asked that we make good on the opportunities afforded us as a result of the recent Maddox chat and put together a wish list of likely products for them to make. I specifically warned that unilateral enthusiastic letters should be avoided, especially ones which tell Mr. Maddox just what we think is wrong with his company. This letter is muddled, didactic and misleading. Sending it was irresponsible on your part and may have done a great more harm than good. Before doing anything like this again, please seek the counsel of minds other than your own. There is more at stake than you know. Sincerely, Christopher G. Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8247	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/25/2000
Subject: 69 foot woodchip hopper car

Since Delta Models is now going to make the 69 foot woodchip hopper car. I talk with William this afternoon about this model. So I'd uploaded a link to this car at: http://members.tripod.com/c.stolte/woodchip.html -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8248	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

I did not realize that this list or American Flyer appointed Chris Zizzo as the spokesman to Lionel or I would have consulted him first of course. Sadly Mr. Zizzo does not appear as a member of NASG in my last three years of membership lists thus he is not working with any recognized organization in his efforts to affect Lionel or NASG promotion. Perhaps we should elect Mr. Zizzo president of something. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn busy-boy wrote: > I originally was going to send those remarks privately, but when I looked at > it again I realized that this was something that involved all of us, so it > needed to be on the list where others could comment publicly, > > I saw Don's remarks, and I am amazed, doubly so at your posting of Wayne's > reply. If you want to get all defensive and start quoting these people to > me, it will not change the fact that: > 1.) You took it upon yourself to speak for all S gaugers, including me, > 2.) You consulted with no one before doing so, in spite of recent > conversations about this on the list, > 3.) You have set the tone for all future communications with this important > figure when there were other agendas in progress. > 4.) Your letter needed proofreading to clean it up before it was sent. This > was not buddy-to-buddy e-mail. > > Please don't get your back up and tell me I am making negative comments. > These things I am saying are true, even if they did not occur to some > others. I personally feel shortchanged by your actions here. I personally > feel that a cause for which I am fighting has been harmed. > > Imagine how you would feel if you were preparing an important presentation > for work, one in which every "i" was perfectly dotted, every "t" exquisitely > crossed. You have all your evidence, your documentation has been checked, > and the day before you are to give your talk, somebody from your department > goes in, without consulting anyone, and gives your boss a quick rundown of > his take on the thing, including his personal opinions, which don't agree > with yours and which make your boss unwilling to now listen to you. When > you try to talk to him about it he calls you negative and points out that a > couple of co-workers liked what he said, so that makes it all OK. > > OK. So now you speak for all of us. Care to share what is on your agenda? > Where do we go next, now that you are in direct communication with the > powers that be at Lionel? I mean, I don't want to be seen as being > negative. > > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8249	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Coupler pockets

I found rectangular plastic that matches the kadee coupler pocket size. I wanted to put the new coupler on my coil car project because it has the hydroilic coupler. Does anyone have any plans for coupler pockets of this type or do I have to buy an HO version to see one? Since the car will be 50 feet I though I might round the inside edges and have the pocket move from side to side since it will be attached deeper into the frame. Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8250	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Harsh Rebuttal by Mr CZ

CZ wrote"I originally was going to send those remarks privately, but when I looked at > it again I realized that this was something that involved all of us, so it > needed to be on the list where others could comment publicly," Glenn Wrote"Glenn Wrote"I did not realize that this list or American Flyer appointed Chris Zizzo as the spokesman to Lionel or I would have consulted him first of course. Sadly Mr. Zizzo does not appear as a member of NASG in my last three years of membership lists thus he is not working with any recognized organization in his efforts to affect Lionel or NASG promotion. Perhaps we should elect Mr. Zizzo president of something." I say Amen To Glenn! If CZ wants to complain about what Glenn did then let him ante up like the rest of the NASG members , which to this point I have seen none of them complain on this list! Maybe they will have something to say. I'm sure that if and when they do, it will not be so rude!!! Nor so pompous! Oh yes, I am an NASG member CZ. To be upset is one thing, to be an a#& is another! Chris Burger (Please don't confuse CB with CZ) >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8251	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Dear Mr Zizzo, I cannot believe that you have tried to publically embarass Glenn on the S Trains list. I used to respect your comments on the list about S guage, but no longer. You have shown great immaturity and a total disinterest in the feelings of fellow S-guagers. Obviously, you have strong feelings about Glenns letter, well if you do, you should have taken it up with him in a private e-mail. Please never again try to destroy someone in public, there is to much of this now days as it is. BTW, please excuse the spelling errors. I am going to post this to the S trains list, cause, buddy, you really deserve it!!!!!!!!! Wayne Broadhead (a believer in courtesy) busy-boy wrote: > > Dear Glenn: > > The American Flyer situation is a touchy one at Lionel, particularly for > Dick Maddox. When a letter is sent to him or to one of his associates, it > needs to be right on the mark. It must be clear, concise and businesslike. > This man has no inerest in your or anyone's personal toy train > reminiscences. Neither is he likely to welcome suggestions on how to run > the company. Don Thompson went out of his way to warn us that Mr. Maddox > does not want unsolicited advice by outsiders. > > Lionel does not do much advertising to the general public at all, even for > their 0 gauge stuff. The idea that they might advertise S gauge is beyond > credibility. A tiny 1/8th. page in CTT would be a breakthrough; in a > non-train magazine it would be unheard of. Television? Lionel has no > television budget. How could you fathom suggesting to the president of > Lionel that he develop an advertising budget for a product he does not want > to even discuss? > > You wrote as the Secretary of NASG, therefore you expressed the opinions of > that organization. That means that the NASG endorses your position, your > misspellings and your cute sign off, which may be appropriate on a mail > list, but does not cut it in a formal business letter. It also means that, > in Dick Maddox' mind, your letter represents the collected opinions of S > gaugers, since you purport to represent a central group at the heart of the > hobby. > > I do not believe that you did S gauge any good with Lionel. When I posted > recently to the list, I asked that we make good on the opportunities > afforded us as a result of the recent Maddox chat and put together a wish > list of likely products for them to make. I specifically warned that > unilateral enthusiastic letters should be avoided, especially ones which > tell Mr. Maddox just what we think is wrong with his company. This letter > is muddled, didactic and misleading. Sending it was irresponsible on your > part and may have done a great more harm than good. Before doing anything > like this again, please seek the counsel of minds other than your own. > There is more at stake than you know. > > Sincerely, > Christopher G. Zizzo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/7/_/494531/_/956707123/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8252	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT--TRUCE TIME!!

Hi all, OK everyone, it is quite obvious from the postings that we are all quite passionate about this subject. It is also agreed that some flaming has occurred. Since we all seem to want the same thing, let us all apologize for our actions, intended or not, and "shake hands" and get back to working together for the good of S gauge. I will begin by apologizing for sticking my nose into this! --End of reconciling attempt-- S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8253	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Sounds like Dick Madoxx has no interest in other people at all. I heard Lionel is interested in selling just enough trains to keep Lionel people employed at making trains for their (management) own use. Roger Opps !! Sorry for spelling out the "L" word. Double Opps !! I broke my suggestion that we,-- don't discuss "L"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8254	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: Nimco kits

In a message dated 4/26/00 4:21:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:37:17 -0000 From: colin_olsen@... Subject: NIMCO Does anyone have background information on NIMCO (Nixon Model Company)? This company put out wooden kits of railroad rolling stock that was compatibel with s guage. I have in my possession a box car from this company, complete with box & instructions. The box car has AF link couplers. Any ideas on value? Thanks. Colin >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It has been my experience that freight car kits of this type, (Nimco, Superscale, Perma-Bilt, etc.) sell for about $10 to $20, if complete and unassembled. Kinsman and Quality Craft kits might be more, depending on the specific model, and some of the simpler kits, such as Arden and Kansas City, somewhat less. Hope this helps, Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8255	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: S Scale Photo's Needed at Walthers

Gary.L.Ippolito@... wrote: > > Hey Bill, > > I just heard that they used one of my photos in the 2000 Big Trains Book on page > 254. I'm really excited and absolutely delighted that an S Scale image is being > included in a Walthers catalog, much less one of my models. I have no idea > which one it is. We'll just have to wait and see. > > Thank you for posting the "want ad" on the S Scale list since it gave me the > opportunity to submit my images. > > Gary Howdy Gary Yep, you are in the book! It is the nose shot of the N&W SD-35. In addition, Jess Bennett's layout (E. Loizeaux Photo), Mike Palmiter (three photos), and Billy Click (B. Werre Photo) grace the middle of the new Walthers catalog. Congrats go out to you all for this effort!!!! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8256	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Item #1: I am a member of NASG. Item #2: I gave up on Lionel/Flyer when Wellspring Assoc. took over. But, good or bad, American Flyer is a part of S. That said, as this latest controversy has become a matter of public record, my opinion: I feel that Glenn's intentions were good and noble in his email to Lionel, there perhaps should have been some input from other members of the NASG BOD. Correspondence identified as being written by an officer of an organization, becomes a reflection of that organization to the reader. Although well intentioned, Glenn's email to Lionel comes off as a poor reflection of NASG. I find I must agree with Chris Zizzo in spirit, although Chris might have been better responding to Glenn off-line. Glenn made a passionate appeal to Lionel. Unfortunately, Lionel is a corporation, and to get their attention, S must be presented as a business case. Start off by addressing him as "Mr. Maddox." Indeed, Glenn's second paragraph tells Lionel that the market for flyer is apparently limited to old men who OCCASIONALLY run their trains for the grand kids. I'm sure this was not Glenn's intention. A better point to have made would be that although not as great as the O-Gauge market, S-Gauge is undergoing a renaissance, and it is unfortunate that Lionel has chosen minimum participation. It would have been also fair to mention that many American Flyer enthusiasts have been disappointed by Lionel in the past, and there have been some quality issues with the Flyer line. A mention that if improvements to the O-Gauge line (and there have been some, even though I hate to admit it) were instituted to the Flyer line, many Flyer enthusiasts would welcome such improvements. As a manufacturer, I'm certain Lionel receives many emails about "what you ought to do is..." This may contribute to Mr. Maddox's apparent feelings towards "outsiders" telling Lionel what to do. Realize that Mr. Maddox has to address his O-Gauge competition first, and S-Gaugers will have to be patient, but would indeed purchase an improved American Flyer line brought on by his(Maddox) leadership. Finally, if writing a formal appeal as an appointed representative of an organization, name and title are the only thing required at the close, slogans and catchy phrases should be left out. Rich Gajnak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8257	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

As a scaler, this debate doesn't interest me much except if Lionel would produce something new and actually useful to scale modelers. But I think Rich Gajnak's points about Glenn's letter and Chris's rejoinder hit the nails on the head. S scalers shouldn't appear to be begging to Lionel; just point out we are a market out here should you care to produce something that is of interest to us. In the meantime, our current suppliers (BTS< AM, DesPlaines and SHS to name but a few) are serving us well and there's more coming. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8258	From: dlich	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: test

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8259	From: dlich	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: lionel etc.

ok heres my nickel................i run s hi-rail dc powered.............i support and buy from the current s manufactures. i do like everyone have flyer about a 50/50 mix..........i am not interested in anything lionel would produce if they only used the old gilbert dies...........got em or dont need em........lionel is a business operation as has been pointed out you hold the flyer brand tight so it dont bite you........you would produce in s gauge if the market numbers were their but they are not (lionel is part of the cause of this) if we collectively went to lionel with say 10 or 20 thousand deposit orders for the sd project it would be made..........having said that if we were in such a luxiouris position would you not rather give the money to don or ron? one mans opinion than you dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8260	From: john foley	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Scale Photo's Needed at Walthers

----- Original Message ----- From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade <wadepub@...> To: <Gary.L.Ippolito@...>; 9 - S-Scale <S-Scale@egroups.com>; 9 - S-Trains <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: [S-Scale] Re: S Scale Photo's Needed at Walthers WAY TO GO GUY'S. I'll have to get a copy. John Foley > Gary.L.Ippolito@... wrote: > > > > Hey Bill, > > > > I just heard that they used one of my photos in the 2000 Big Trains Book on page > > 254. I'm really excited and absolutely delighted that an S Scale image is being > > included in a Walthers catalog, much less one of my models. I have no idea > > which one it is. We'll just have to wait and see. > > > > Thank you for posting the "want ad" on the S Scale list since it gave me the > > opportunity to submit my images. > > > > Gary > > > Howdy Gary > > Yep, you are in the book! It is the nose shot of the N&W SD-35. > > In addition, Jess Bennett's layout (E. Loizeaux Photo), Mike Palmiter > (three photos), and Billy Click (B. Werre Photo) grace the middle of the > new Walthers catalog. Congrats go out to you all for this effort!!!! > > Take care, > Bill > > -- > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You set the price on thousands of products. Computers, electronics, > art, home appliances and more. Visit uBid today! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3026/1/_/576498/_/956772250/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8261	From: Bill Rigsby	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: S-Design Decals

Don, Been unable to get your web site at "WWW.S-dseigns.com" Am interested in decals for the UP, SP, and AT&SF, box and tank cars. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8262	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: AAUGH!! New job interferes with train-web time!

Hi all, Well, you might not see me here a lot starting next week. I took a census job that was supposed to be "part-time" so I could just earn a little more money to pay for the coal loader, and other great stuff (Wish it included enough for a sawmill--they are just gorgeous!) but I've been "promoted" (no pay raise!) to a semi-management position, which probably means nearly full-time work. So, if I'm too busy, don't forget me, I'll be baaaack! S' David "hoping I'm wrong" D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8263	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: catalog date

Hi Guy"S"; I wonder if someone could help me date A AF Gilbert catalog. Description of the cover; Upper left (Yellow on red circle) "Fun & Thrills" . Underneath that, an "American Flyer" billboard. Upper right. An erector set bridge with an "Erector sign. Comeing out from under the bridge heading down to the left is an 4-6-2 steam loco. To the right center edge is a erector ferris wheel . Down left of the wheel is a erector merry go round. Thanks to that can tell me the date of this publication. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8264	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/26/2000
Subject: Re: catalog date

--- , Roger Hinds wrote: > > I wonder if someone could help me date A AF Gilbert catalog. > > Description of the cover; > > Upper left (Yellow on red circle) "Fun & Thrills" . > Underneath that, an "American Flyer" billboard. > Upper right. An erector set bridge with an "Erector sign. > Comeing out from under the bridge heading down to the left > is an 4-6-2 steam loco. > To the right center edge is a erector ferris wheel . > Down left of the wheel is a erector merry go round. My guess is it's the '51 catolog. But don't anyone quote me on that!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8265	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: 360/364 Diesels

Everyone: I posted a message requesting information on the list on April 21, but unfortunately this was right in the middle of the Lionel/Maddox discussions and I got no response except from someone who also was looking forward to responses to my question. Therefore, now that the Lionel commotion seems to have died down I thought that I would try again. Here are my questions in regard to the 360/364 diesels that I have: 1. I have seen both an air chime whistle controller and a diesel horn whistle controller which look very similar. Will both of these work with the horn in the 364 PB unit and, if so, does it make any difference which one I use? 2. The 360 powered unit always moves very slowly when I first start to run it. After several circuits around the track at full power it comes up to full speed gradually and then I have to reduce the power to keep it on the track. Are the slow starts just age or would some type of cleaning of the motor help. This engine was serviced when I first bought it over 5 years ago, but not since then. However, it probably is only run 2-3 times a month for 30 minutes or so. I use an 18B 190W transformer to power my layout. Thanks in advance for your usual helpful responses. Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8266	From: john foley	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Joke

Here's a good one. Look out for the train! This fellow who had spent his whole life in the desert comes to visit a friend. He'd never seen a train or the tracks they run on. While standing in the middle of the railroad tracks one day, he hears this whistle -- Whooee da Whoee! -- but doesn't know what it is. Predictably, he's hit -- but, only a glancing blow -- and is thrown, to the side of the tracks, with some minor internal injuries, a few broken bones, and some bruises. After weeks in the hospital recovering, he's at his friend's house attending a party, one evening. While in the kitchen, he suddenly hears the tea kettle whistling. He grabs a baseball bat from the nearby closet and proceeds to batter and bash the tea kettle into an unrecognizable lump of metal. His friend, hearing the ruckus, rushes into the kitchen, sees what's happened and asks the man from the desert, "Why'd you ruin my good tea kettle?" The desert man replies: "Man, you gotta kill these things when they're small!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8267	From: scott griggs	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Letters to Lionel

I have followed the recent discussion concerning the Maddox Q & A session and the flap that followed Glenn Ritter's open letter to Lionel. I think the criticisms toward Glenn are ridiculous and a little pretentious. I'm sure we've all written similar letters at one time or another to a company in an attempt to influence its product decisions. Some seem to think that his letter did some great harm because it was not "written properly" or did not convey a compelling "business case". This is hogwash. No company president is going to ignore market research and 20 years of disappointing sales figures and invest his stakeholders' capital based on one letter from an individual, no matter how well written. It seems to be a popular belief among most Flyer faithful that Lionel has consistently tried to suppress American Flyer (supposedly in an attempt to avoid creating competition for its O gauge products). I don't believe that for a second. If that were the case, why would Lionel have ever resurrected the brand in 1979 and produced S gauge to begin with? Lionel is interested in growing their business, just like any company. To suggest that there is some sinister undercurrent afoot at Lionel to stifle American Flyer--which has evidently prevailed through a half dozen management/ownership changes over the past twenty years--is preposterous. In interview after interview with countless Lionel executives and owners, the repeated response regarding AF has been, "we'd like to do more AF, but the market has to be there". Why is this so hard to believe? MTH, K-line, and the other major hi-rail manufacturers have yet to jump into the S gauge train market. We have to face facts that we are a very small portion of the model railroading market and most companies require a return on their investment that just isn't there yet in S gauge. We should consider ourselves fortunate that we have companies like American Models, S Helper, and others that are willing to accept the opportunity costs and provide excellent and diverse products in S. Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8268	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Letters to Lionel

I think that there is a real possibility of pushing Mr. Maddox to the point where he's going to push back. I don't think that there is anything to be gained by constantly pestering this man. He's got to think that there is a small band of militant S-gaugers out to try to convince him to lose money to please them and the more they push him, the more he's going to resist. Personally I think S-gauge is going to become enormously popular. I was at a small train show and the one Flyer seller was commenting that the Flyer market was drying up and that there were no more dealers there except him. I think the reason is because we are buying everything up and the supply can't keep up with the demand. It would behoove suppliers to produce more s-gauge stuff and it would certainly be in Lionel's best interest to step up it's Flyer production, but the bad part is they don't know it and they aren't going to be convinced by a small vocal group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8269	From: Scott Holm	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Letters to Lionel

I think that there is a real possibility of pushing Mr. Maddox to the point where he's going to push back. I don't think that there is anything to be gained by constantly pestering this man. He's got to think that there is a small band of militant S-gaugers out to try to convince him to lose money to please them and the more they push him, the more he's going to resist. Personally I think S-gauge is going to become enormously popular. I was at a small train show and the one Flyer seller was commenting that the Flyer market was drying up and that there were no more dealers there except him. I think the reason is because we are buying everything up and the supply can't keep up with the demand. It would behoove suppliers to produce more s-gauge stuff and it would certainly be in Lionel's best interest to step up it's Flyer production, but the bad part is they don't know it and they aren't going to be convinced by a small vocal group.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8270	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 612

In a message dated 04/27/2000 2:00:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > From: Roger Hinds <cofa@...> > Subject: catalog date > > Hi Guy"S"; > > I wonder if someone could help me date A AF Gilbert catalog. > 1949, and it's a 4-6-4 (322) Hudson Steve Blackburn RMHR...Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8271	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 612

> > > > Hi Guy"S"; > > > > I wonder if someone could help me date A AF Gilbert catalog. > > > 1949, and it's a 4-6-4 (322) Hudson > Steve Blackburn RMHR...Boise, Idaho I'm glad I didn't make a bet!!! I thinkin' it was a '51, but I agree with Steve....It's a '49 catolog that I've been looking for with that cover!! Oh well,...I was only two years off!!...or would that be 'three' off? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8272	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] catalog date

I believe you have a 1949 catalog...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8273	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: manoil coupes

I came across 2 manoil coupes however I don't know if they were the ones used for the 715 Flyer vehicle unloading car..Inside on the roof of the cars is stamped manoil No. 707. 1 car is red the other blue.If anyone can tell me if these are the same style used I would appreciate it. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8274	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 360/364 Diesels

aag_rlg@... wrote: > > Everyone: > > I posted a message requesting information on the list on April 21, > but unfortunately this was right in the middle of the Lionel/Maddox > discussions and I got no response except from someone who also was > looking forward to responses to my question. Therefore, now that the > Lionel commotion seems to have died down I thought that I would try > again. Here are my questions in regard to the 360/364 diesels that I > have: > > 1. I have seen both an air chime whistle controller and a diesel > horn whistle controller which look very similar. Will both of these > work with the horn in the 364 PB unit and, if so, does it make any > difference which one I use? > Don't know. Someone may. I would try both to see. > 2. The 360 powered unit always moves very slowly when I first start > to run it. After several circuits around the track at full power it > comes up to full speed gradually and then I have to reduce the power > to keep it on the track. Are the slow starts just age or would some > type of cleaning of the motor help. This engine was serviced when I > first bought it over 5 years ago, but not since then. However, it > probably is only run 2-3 times a month for 30 minutes or so. I use > an 18B 190W transformer to power my layout. Unfortunately, this is exactly how mine acted many years ago before I knew about axle hole wear. It finally got so bad it became a "hangar queen" on the display shelf and I use more modern Lionel or AM almost exclusively for running. Seems pointless to me to rebuild with bushed holes when I have so many better engines. But if you like this one you may be at the "rebuild or retire" decision point. > > Thanks in advance for your usual helpful responses. > Art > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/3555/7/_/494531/_/956864797/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8275	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Grown Men

I do not see how Lionel can make us happy by making an average new product with O gauge trucks in one road name a year at a high price. We might die before they make your favorite road name. They could sell 5 times as many cabooses with 5 road names and if they had more detail and a lower price with S gauge trucks that might produce 20 times more sales. They want limited sales to collectors who do not run trains where the caboose has the same hearld as the engine. The great news is that we are no longer dependent on Lionel. I quit buying Lionel when I figured out I was being played for a sucker who would buy anything thing Lionel made. I have supported all other manufactures and they all know I exist and are greatful for my support. I can pick up the phone and get help any time I want and get a better product at less money. What a great deal. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8276	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: F-9 Field resistance

What number of ohms should an ACG F-9 (e.g. 21210) field read? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8277	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360 warm up

My 470, 371, and 360 all hit the tracks running pretty well, but don't hit optimal speed until a few minutes of running have passed. I converted all three to late model LTI chassis sub-assemblies (with bushings factory installed) because the originals had worn axles holes. They all took longer to warm-up with the originals in them, and never ran as reliably as they do now. While my 470 and 371 go "flipp'n" fast, my 360 doesn't. It goes quickly and smoothly but not so fast as to come off the tracks - - guess you could say I have 360 envy. PS Do you have pickup boxes and shoes installed on your 360's sideframes? I noticed no means to attach them like on the 470/471/473? Run 'em, If you got 'em. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8278	From: finerty, paul	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360/364 whistle

Art, I have several sets of 360/364 units and they all do the same thing you talked about. They all start slow and then gradually speed up as they warm up. Then, if you let them sit for five minutes, they are still warm and they continue to run fast. When you let them sit for a half hour they cool down and run slow for a couple of minutes once again. I haven't had the time or desire to get to the root of it, I just resign myself to the fact that I have to run them for a couple of minutes to let them warm up. The fact that all three sets do the same thing makes me think it's probably inherent to the design. No hard data to back that up however, just a quick assumption. I can't answer the whistle and horn controller question for you though. I just have the diesel horn controller to use with these engines. Someone else on the list can probably help you out though....... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8279	From: Ron Brady	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Advancing S

I try to stay out of these but now I can't. We can argue over and over about lionel and S but the fact is, they are a for profit company and that is how they should and are running it. It's plain and simple. If we want more S then we have to create a demand. Train shows are ok but every one I have been to had One million seven hundred and ten thousand lionel vendors and three S gauge vendors. This won't do it. Here comes the part you have been waiting for. I believe the only way to advance S gauge and Flyer is to take a small layout and visit the schools. Show a train running with one or two accessories and talk about two rail track, realistic, right size, scale etc. Get them interested before they learn the bad words like lionel, O gauge, and (yuck) three rail track. Why is HO so popular? Because it is cheap and mom and dad bring it home for under the christmas tree. That's what the kids see and most stay with it. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8280	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: 360 warm up etc.

Hi all Well here I sit ready for my "new" job, and I've a major head cold, probably picked up at the training sessions! So I get a little time to read the mail (instead of studying my manuals!). The non-pulmor diesels have no provision for pickup shoes, although some late production ones may have the sideframes w/provision (Hey, that should CMA!) You will also find the early 360s have scale flanges too! The slow startup could be many things, including worn holes, but I suspect (needs more research) the armature bearings. These are a "sintered" bronze and probably are still ooozing old lubricant that is "sticky" when cold. This could also be true of the grease on the worm gears. Worn axle holes could be adding to the problem, and I suspect the problem is adding to the axle hole wear, as it is creating a higher electrical load, which will be increasing the electrical arcing in there, making the holes bigger. The whole design appears to be self-destructive! Time for more meds. . . . S' David D. PS. I *think* any AF horn can be honked with any AF controller, the resulting sound is dependent on the controller's condition, the speakers' condition, and the capacitor's condition. Some, I'm told, sound pretty good, but most just go "Blaaaat" However, not all of the generator tubes are interchangeable with their buttons, and I don't have the info handy here to tell you which is which, but the internal wiring is different on, at least, the red cardboard tube ones.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8281	From: dlich	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: lionel and model railroading

ron just posted some comments which i mostly agree with. my concern is that long term the hobby does not show much growth....the department stores do not carry much in the way of trains and that which they do seem to be the large scale battery type. this reflects the fact that kids are not pestering mom and dad for a train set.....s has a great future because..........we have growth potential from other gauges!! 0 and ho.........please look at ebay as an example every thing s sells (unless it is stupid)...look at lionel and o items guess what not every item gets a bid that says something doesnt it? as to retailers like toys r us wal mart etc if trains sold they would carry them..........now what is needed.an s gauge cheap starter set like the lionel rs that retails at toys for 99.99.........then you have the chance to get people into the hooby. very few people today will "start" with a 4 or 5 hundred dollar commitment and for a kid you wont spend that much money for a toy!! one mans opinion thanks dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8282	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Railroad Related Links

http://www.aoli.org/rrlinks1.htm -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8283	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

I will confess that releasing my letter to this list was premature. As I write future letters, as I have written in the past, I will wait for a reply to share with you. A couple of years ago on this list I started the search for someone to produce a starter set to go with Dickensville, Deptartment 56 and other ceramic villages. Now we have steam from American Models and freight starter sets from S Helper but nothing in the $150 dollar range to compete with Lionel thus I couldn't ask Lionel or another "O" company to shoot themselves in the foot. Perhaps if Lionel could see the wisdom of expanding into S then they wouldn't have to compete with MTH, etc. Knowing Lionel, if they came into the S market then AM and SHS would still be the leaders in fine S Scale products and Lionel could bring back 100,000s of kids to the hobby. I think Lionel would like to see at least 1,000 deposits for the SD 40-2 before they would venture into a new S product. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8284	From: Mark Preman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hey gang, The new list is up on the web for your weekend reading pleasure. Did you notice the custom Rio Grande diesels or the American Models Crescent Limited Steamer? Click on this: http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark B. Preman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8285	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: AF wayside station cart

Can someone tell me what the Wayside station cart is worth. I can pick up a cart and man in E condition. Can someone tell me what just the cart and man would be worth? I have no idea...and the guy is coming over tonight to show them to me. This item is not listed seperately in the price guides. Thanks, Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8286	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Glenn made the following statement:- ......I think Lionel would like to see at least 1,000 deposits for the SD 40-2 before they would venture into a new S product. If, between us, we could muster 1,000 deposits of say $100, could we approach this from a different angle in as much, instead of asking Lionel to produce an SD40, we 'commission' them to make it on our behalf? This would also give us some input on what we would like to see in the finished model. It also shows commitment to the project without Lionel having to stump up any funds of there own. I assume we accept that this would be made overseas in the same place as current Lionel product, or the new stuff any way. Just another line of thought. Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8287	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: B.T.S. Project Updates

Howdy Friends Been a hectic few months around here! Lots of S Stuff going on. Here is the status on some of the S scale projects we have underway.... Coon Gap Sawmills By Monday, all reserved kits will have been shipped. Most are out of here already, and we are packing up the last of them now. Lots of photos at http://www.btsrr.com/milpix.htm All the comments received so far have been extremely positive. Less than ten kits are left, so if you want one, let us know ASAP! http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm Shotgun Houses This new kit is just about ready. The mill town will need a few dozen of them! Price is $36.95. We will start shipping these nlt May 5, 2000. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm E.B.T. #6 0-6-0 Still no box from New Zealand. When we spoke with the builder last, just over a week ago, he was just about done. He was not happy with two of the castings and reworked them. While we are all anxious to get this little beast, it is hard to complain to the man when he is so concerned about quality. Like the sawmill, it will be worth the extra wait. http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm E.B.T. Sn3 Vulcan Trucks Got the first batch of sideframes and bolsters from the caster and they are super! Now just need to get the wheelsets here to go with them! Soon, I hope!! E.B.T. Coles Station This one has been ready for a couple of months, but we seem to have overlooked talking about it much due to its small size! Nice little, easy to build, station. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7124.htm NKP Caboose The 1000-series NKP wood caboose is just about finished. If all goes well, we will have kits ready by the Spring S Spree in Cleveland. That is about all for now. Thanks for your support, and tolerance of these updates! Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8288	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Why is it so important to get lionel to do something in S?????????? It looks to me like you do not care what they make just as long as they make something. You just want the name. WHY!!!!!!!!!! You have SHS doing great things in S now. Get your head out of your pocket. They are the new AF ne Lionel. Go with the good stuff. Larry Glenn Ritter wrote: > I will confess that releasing my letter to this list > was premature. As I write future letters, as I have > written in the past, I will wait for a reply to > share with you. > > A couple of years ago on this list I started the > search for someone to produce a starter set to > go with Dickensville, Deptartment 56 and other > ceramic villages. Now we have steam from > American Models and freight starter sets from > S Helper but nothing in the $150 dollar range > to compete with Lionel thus I couldn't ask > Lionel or another "O" company to shoot > themselves in the foot. Perhaps if Lionel > could see the wisdom of expanding into S > then they wouldn't have to compete with > MTH, etc. Knowing Lionel, if they came into > the S market then AM and SHS would > still be the leaders in fine S Scale products > and Lionel could bring back 100,000s of > kids to the hobby. > > I think Lionel would like to see at least > 1,000 deposits for the SD 40-2 before they > would venture into a new S product. > > Staying on the NPSG branchline > of NASG track, Glenn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/7/_/494531/_/956950407/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8289	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Larry, You wrote:- >Why is it so important to get lionel to do something in S?????????? >It looks to me like you do not care what they make just as long as they make something. It is important to get Lionel back into 'S' to hopefully give us a greater choice of product. The SD40 was/is an item greeted by many! >You just want the name. WHY!!!!!!!!!! >You have SHS doing great things in S now. Unfortunately,a brand name still counts for a lot these days. I agree, SHS are doing great things, but they are limited to what they can fund for new products without overstretching themselves. If Lionel came out with new 'S' under the AF brand name and was given a chance to sell, then the likes of AM and SHS would find there market share increase as well, in the same way that the likes of Weaver, Williams, Kline etc. have benefited from the Lionel name. Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8290	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading

doesnt it? as to retailers like toys r us wal mart etc if trains sold they would carry them..........now what is needed.an s gauge cheap starter set like the lionel rs that retails at toys for 99.99.........then you have the chance to get people into the hooby. very few people today will "start" with a 4 or 5 hundred dollar commitment and for a kid you wont spend that much money for a toy!! one mans opinion thanks dennis That's why ACG sold "loss leader" starter sets. There were Train stores that sold the accesories, and the better equipment. ACG had a full line so the Hardware Store and Dept Store Christmas sales would bring in business all year, or would at least sell some of the "good" stuff as Christmas gifts next year, and perhaps on a birthday as well. J-Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8291	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Why Lionel????????? Why not approach SHS with the same offer. Again WHY LIONEL??????????????? Larry Neil Trump wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8292	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AMERICAN FLYER SUPPORT

Would they produce a quality item like SHS or Des Plains or would they make a TINPLATE model like they produce in O scale??????? I feel S scales real hope is AM, SHS, Des Plains and other quality manufactures and not Lionel!!!!!!!!! Forget American Flyer. It is gone and any thing produced would from old dies would not up to today's standards. If Lionel produce something under the AF name from new dies it would not be AF. Just like Athearn in HO, Irv is dead and the new stuff carries his name but to ne it is not Athearn stuff. So suport the people you have and long live S scale Larry Neil Trump wrote: > Larry, >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8293	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading

They lost money on every one of there sets but made it up on volume Larry James Roberts wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8294	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: HO259 station

I received this email and can't answer it since i am unfamiliar with the accessory involved. Can someone help this fella out? Please reply directly to him. Tom Jarcho From: Moetown5@... Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:57:29 EDT Subject: HO259 Whistling Station To: jarcho@... MIME-Version: 1.0 Tom: I have an old AF whistling station and I am having trouble hooking up the wires. It's the wires that connect to the brush springs and armature. I'll try to explain via e-mail but would hope to contact by phone to discuss. What wire connects to the each brush. It looks like one should come from the control box and the other looks like it goes from the other brush to the armature. Is their a wire that goes from the armature to a post on the transformer? Also, how do you connect wires to the armature? Must they be soldered? Thanks for your help. Ron Moser

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8295	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}

Hi all, I'm not really sure where I want to go with this, but here goes. When I dug out my old Flyer a couple of years ago I didn't think there was ANY new S gauge products out there. Bought a Classic Toy Trains magazine and found out there WERE new products out there. Of course I got excited! Then I started to travel to some good train shows and compared the prices of new products with the old flyer. I never bought any new products. {basically rolling stock I'm talking about here}. New items seemed expensive to me, so I decided if I'm throwing out thirty bucks for boxcar or whatever, it was going to be an old Flyer boxcar. In my case, I'm happy just buying old Flyer. {and boy, there is a lot out there I still need!!}. But I'm not interested in road names and such, but to some that is important. I guess once you've collected all the Flyer that interests you,...whats next? New products!! I guess I'm one of the Flyer die-hards, I like the name...so to some of us we would like to see the flyer name on some new products. Heck, I even might buy some. {I must admit, I've been buying the Lyin' L AF Christmas cars, and I have a bid on some S coaches made by who-knows-who,...but they look cool.} Most of my enjoyment is running trains as old, if not older, than me! But there is always room for some new equipment I reckon. I'm not really sure I made any kind of a point here or just some mindless babbling!! Maybe to some of us it's hard to face the fact that American Flyer really is no more. Just the little tid-bits that are thrown out to us. I really don't care WHO makes it, I would just like to see the Flyer name continue. But God bless the train shows, eBay, or whatever, for all that old Flyer out there waiting to be bought! And with all that said......I need another soda!!! More caffine!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8296	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}

Nothing wrong with your position on Flyer, but you are not the future of S scale. Neither is Lionel/American Flyer. The future lies with SHS, AM, Des Plains and any other manufacture who produces GOOD models. Lionel could be if they were to start producing models of the quality of SHS and ect. But not with the old thinking that is still in the company. Larry Rick Evens wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8297	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}

Hi all, Why bug L about the Flyer stuff when SHS, et al makes much better stuff? It's economics! IF you want to see S in the stores for $99 a set, you're going to have to have some "plain-jane" stuff to sell. The AF cars are about as simple as you can get and still produce a good-looking, nearly scale car. For example: the hopper and gon cars only require lettering and trucks to be complete. The plug door reefers & molded-in door boxcars only require lettering and a simple stamped floor and trucks to be complete. This is economics of production! Also, the molds already exist--further reducing start-up costs. The one thing that could hurt this idea, is apparently none of the "cheap" loco tooling survives, the Alcos and GPs are not "starter set" economics locos. We aren't talking about SERIOUS modeling stuff here, we are talking TOY TRAINS that can attract larger numbers of people to serious modeling! As the consumer gets "hooked" on trains, he/she will see the better quality stuff, and migrate to it. This means bigger market share for SHS, et al too! It's not competition, but addition. The amazing thing is that the AF molds, although they are dated (some from 1946!), still produce a fairly good product! The have been the basis for some great superdetailing and kitbashing. BUT the main point is; TOY TRAINS! What do you think those L and other maker's "cheap" trains look like?? AF stuff is way ahead of most of it! Will the S sales dig into L's zero scale sales? Maybe, but then what's it matter? It's the same company!! The can have their cake and eat it too! The other option is to have someone else realize the great potential of the S size for toys and tree villages, and they will make the stuff--but the start-up costs will be much higher (although I suspect still profitable). Oh, one more point, L already has the delivery system in place too. S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8298	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Old Flyer vs. new products {or new Flyer}

Larry, If you are saying that Rick is not the future of 'S', then that statement applies to an awful lot of people on this list. The future with 'S' lies with any manufacture who produces a quality item. If Lionel had produced the SD40 I'm sure it would have been made overseas and to a quality to meet both the hi-railer and scaler. You are right about Lionel's problem about old thinking, but we as the consumer need to make them aware that we demand more! I'll say it again, in answer to why Lionel? .......brand name, image etc. Neil T. >Nothing wrong with your position on Flyer, but you are not the future of S scale. Neither is >Lionel/American Flyer. The future lies with SHS, AM, Des Plains and any other manufacture who produces >GOOD models. Lionel could be if they were to start producing models of the quality of SHS and ect. But >not with the old thinking that is still in the company. >Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8299	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: The future of "S"

Here's a thought. Flyer may not be the future of "S", as far as new products go, But what about "S" in general?? The future of "S" relies on people......running S-gauge!! And there seems to be a lot of old Flyer out there waiting to be discovered by new operators, and the more new people into Flyer, the bigger the demand for newer products! (not necessarily new Flyer products, "S" products in general) Whether it's tin-plate or scale, it's all "S", isn't it?? Maybe I WON'T be the future of "S", BUT, maybe I can keep the "S" spirit alive.......... IN the future. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8300	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: ADVANCING S

Lionel or any large corporation can produce starter sets at a loss to get the public involved and if they are a successful company they also have an advertizing budget to reach the masses and clout with the chain stores. Gilbert had all this but we don't. Also this list is 500 people. Nasg is 2000 people. S Gaugian is 6,000 people and Classic Toy Trains reaches over 100,000 people and Sunset Models could not get much over 100 orders for their Burlington Zephyer. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Ron Wrote: Subject: Advancing S I try to stay out of these but now I can't. We can argue over and over about lionel and S but the fact is, they are a for profit company and that is how they should and are running it. It's plain and simple. If we want more S then we have to create a demand. Train shows are ok but every one I have been to had One million seven hundred and ten thousand lionel vendors and three S gauge vendors. This won't do it. Here comes the part you have been waiting for. I believe the only way to advance S gauge and Flyer is to take a small layout and visit the schools. Show a train running with one or two accessories and talk about two rail track, realistic, right size, scale etc. Get them interested before they learn the bad words like lionel, O gauge, and (yuck) three rail track. Why is HO so popular? Because it is cheap and mom and dad bring it home for under the christmas tree. That's what the kids see and most stay with it. Ron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8301	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: ADVANCING S

Why would they produce at a loss?????? Lionel is not a big company with bottomless pockets. Why would they want to grow S scale at the cost to them?????? I am out of this discussion. You guys are dreaming and do not under stand the forces of business. AF is dead, lets bury it and let the living continue. To resurrect it would like bring Gorden Varney back to HO. That stuff is so out dated. Larry Glenn Ritter wrote: > Lionel or any large corporation can produce starter > sets at a loss to get the public involved and if they are > a successful company they also have an advertizing > budget to reach the masses and clout with the chain > stores. Gilbert had all this but we don't. Also this list > is 500 people. Nasg is 2000 people. S Gaugian is > 6,000 people and Classic Toy Trains reaches over > 100,000 people and Sunset Models could not get much > over 100 orders for their Burlington Zephyer. > > Staying on the NPSG branchline > of NASG track, Glenn > > Ron Wrote: > Subject: Advancing S > > I try to stay out of these but now I can't. We can argue > over and over > about lionel and S but the fact is, they are a for profit > company and > that is how they should and are running it. It's plain and > simple. If we > want more S then we have to create a demand. Train shows are > ok but > every one I have been to had One million seven hundred and > ten thousand > lionel vendors and three S gauge vendors. This won't do it. > Here comes the part you have been waiting for. > > I believe the only way to advance S gauge and Flyer is to > take a small > layout and visit the schools. Show a train running with one > or two > accessories and talk about two rail track, realistic, right > size, scale > etc. Get them interested before they learn the bad words > like lionel, O > gauge, and (yuck) three rail track. Why is HO so popular? > Because it is > cheap and mom and dad bring it home for under the christmas > tree. That's > what the kids see and most stay with it. > > Ron > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3019/7/_/494531/_/957005188/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8302	From: Jeffrey Tangeman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: S gauge U-boats

With all of this talk of the aborted SD-40, I would rather have a U-boat made. Off of the top of my head I beleive that most of the available diesels are GPs and RS series but what do I know:) and... a fellow at a local train shop says that MTH is making a UP autocarrier in scale. I would like to see our S manufacturers do an autocarrier because I like the cars and I don't have four months to spare to build another one. Kitbashing is time consuming if you desire a fleet:) Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8303	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: why waste time with Lionel

If we could 1,000 deposists at $100 each for an SD40-2, why would we waste our time with Lionel. I'm sure SHS, AM or DesPlaines or Billy Wade would get us a far, far superior model. As Jackman said, get over Lionel. If they want our business, let them earn it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8304	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: product availability

Dear Stephen, If you order anything from us, you will be on our mailing list for a year after the item is received. Don T. I do not have a e-mail list, but I do post to both: s-scale@onelist.com S-trains@onelist.com lists. The S-train list is mostly AF enthusiasts and the S-scale is more for modelers in S scale. To be on either list. just send them e-mails with the words:\ SUBSCRIBE in the body. Don T. "Stephen D. Doyle" wrote: > Dear Don: > Just received your catalog - what an effort. Makes me proud to be an > S-scaler again! > In response to your email, I was wondering if you have any idea where I > could start checking on availability (dealer, etc) for the CB&Q SW-9 which > you've said is sold out. > Any info would be helpful. Also, failing that, I'd love to see a Burlington > Route SW-1 your second time around. Any chance I could get on an email list > in the event you plan that? > Regards, > Stephen > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > To: <sdoyle19@...> > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: product availability > > > Dear Stephen, > > The difference between #00364 and #00365 is the roadnumber on each A & > > B unit, they are different on each which would allow the modeler to > > operate a A-A, A-B-A, A-B-B-A, o A-B-B combination an not have the same > > numbers. On the prototype (real trains) not two units had the same road > > number. > > I am sorry to report that the CB&Q SW-9s were sold out over a year > > ago. If demand warrants a second run of SW-1's, a CB&Q would be a > > consideration. > > thank you for your e-mail > > Don t. > > > > "Stephen D. Doyle" wrote: > > > > > Hello: > > > Just visited your homepage for the first time yesterday and wondered if > > > the EMD Phase II > > > F-3's (#00364 or #00365, CB&Q) are available yet, and can you tell me > > > what the difference is between the two models? > > > On your homepage, you have a photo of several diesel switchers. The 2nd > > > one is the CB&Q "Way of the Zephyr". Is this model still available? > > > Regards, > > > Stephen Doyle > > > P.S. Great website!!! > > > > -- Don Thompson > > S Helper Service Inc. > > http://www.showcaseline.com > > 1.800.465.0303 > > SW-1s and next run of straight track > > are now shipping! > > > > -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8305	From: Neil Trump	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: why waste time with Lionel

Alex, OK, you said it and I don't disagree, instead of just talking about it why don't we ask them? Let's throw down the gauntlet now and formerly ask DT who frequents this list, will SHS produce an SD40 or whatever if we raised x amount as a deposit? I await eagerly you response Don! Neil T. > If we could 1,000 deposists at $100 each for an SD40-2, why would we waste our >time with Lionel. I'm sure SHS, AM or DesPlaines or Billy Wade would get us a far, >far superior model. As Jackman said, get over Lionel. If they want our business, >let them earn it. > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8306	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SD-40

In a message dated 4/29/00 2:52:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << ......I think Lionel would like to see at least 1,000 deposits for the SD 40-2 before they would venture into a new S product. If, between us, we could muster 1,000 deposits of say $100, could we approach this from a different angle in as much, instead of asking Lionel to produce an SD40, we 'commission' them to make it on our behalf? >> I've sworn to myself I would avoid these "opinion" discussions following the response to some previous postings I've made, but I have to add this----- I'm SURE Lionel had more than 1000 dealer orders for the SD40 project. But it wasn't near enough for them......I do feel they wanted to recover the entire tooling cost within the first year or two of that engine....and they shouldn't have expected that to happen when they only announced a single roadname the first year! Nor can you expect them to be able to do so on only 1000 units. FWIW..... Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8307	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: why waste time with Lionel

Hi Neil: I sent the message on both S lists so the appropriate manufacturers could reply if they wished. But my other point is that we should expecting Lionel to do anything but make excuses for doing nothing. If they want our business, earn it. cheers Neil Trump wrote: > Alex, > > OK, you said it and I don't disagree, instead of just talking about it why > don't we ask them? Let's throw down the gauntlet now and formerly ask DT > who frequents this list, will SHS produce an SD40 or whatever if we raised x > amount as a deposit? I await eagerly you response Don! > > Neil T. > > > If we could 1,000 deposists at $100 each for an SD40-2, why would we waste > our > >time with Lionel. I'm sure SHS, AM or DesPlaines or Billy Wade would get us > a far, > >far superior model. As Jackman said, get over Lionel. If they want our > business, > >let them earn it. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8308	From: John Craft	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: why waste time with Lionel

Neil, He has already said that he would. The issue is getting 1,000 deposits. Neil Trump wrote: > Alex, > > OK, you said it and I don't disagree, instead of just talking about it why > don't we ask them? Let's throw down the gauntlet now and formerly ask DT > who frequents this list, will SHS produce an SD40 or whatever if we raised x > amount as a deposit? I await eagerly you response Don! > > Neil T. > > > If we could 1,000 deposists at $100 each for an SD40-2, why would we waste > our > >time with Lionel. I'm sure SHS, AM or DesPlaines or Billy Wade would get us > a far, > >far superior model. As Jackman said, get over Lionel. If they want our > business, > >let them earn it. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/7/_/494531/_/957019607/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8309	From: Rick Evans	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Flyer is dead?

Ok Larry, Please help me clear up one thing and I'll bail outta this discussion too! When you say "flyer is dead, lets bury it", ....are you speaking strictly in terms of new products?? Do you own and run any flyer?? I tend to get the feeling you don't like flyer. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to understand your side of this issue a little better. I will agree that the future of new Flyer looks dim, (one can have their hopes and dreams I suppose), but like I said before, there seems to be older flyer out there for us new collectors, and even for the long time collectors, so in that respect, Flyer can live on. Just like the classic '55 Chevy (insert car of your choice here......), they don't make 'em anymore, but people still run 'em! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8310	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: What the industry really thinks of S

Well, stopped in at the "more trains than you'd imagine' club site and here's the text on the homepage: ">>>Check out Post #228 for our Contest Question.<<<This is the place to go if you want to share and learn about the most popular scales of model trains. We will have live chats with Industry leaders in HO,G,O,Z and N. We will also discuss what is new in trains as well as future releases in scenery, rolling stock, locomotives, structures, and accessories. "Sponsored by The Great Train Store" Not even a mention of S. Hmm. methinks there is an evil plot here. . . S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8311	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO Loco

I hope I don't get in trouble for mentioning HO on this list. I guess if some has a problem with it, please contact me off line. Anyway today I went to a train show saw a cute little 0-6-0 Gilbert loco. I don't own any HO stuff, but it was too cheap to resist. If you are interested in giving it a home, visit it at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ho_loco.html It is missing a boiler front and a pickup bar. Make me an offer and the highest bidder gets the loco. I will keep all bidders up to date on the current high bid. Two weeks from today (5/13/99) I will anounce the winner to the list -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8312	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: the right Scale for model railroading

Send the NASG website to your friends. http://www.NASG.org or http://www.trainweb.com/NASG/ The NASG is working in several areas to promote the right Scale for model railroading.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8313	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lionel and model railroading

And they went out of business! Support AM, SHS, and the other S manufacturers. James Roberts wrote: > > > That's why ACG sold "loss leader" starter sets. There were Train stores that > sold the accesories, and the better equipment. ACG had a full line so the > Hardware Store and Dept Store Christmas sales would bring in business all > year, or would at least sell some of the "good" stuff as Christmas gifts > next year, and perhaps on a birthday as well. > > J-Fred > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/7/_/494531/_/956981925/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO259 station

One wire goes from power source to brush. A second wire connects the other brush to the field connection. A third wire connects the other field connection back to the other side of the transformer. A switch goes on either of the leads to the transformer so you can turn the thing on and off. The armature, through the brushes, is in series with the field. That's why they call them series wound motors. jarcho@... wrote: > > I received this email and can't answer it since i am unfamiliar with the > accessory involved. Can someone help this fella out? Please reply > directly to him. Tom Jarcho > > From: Moetown5@... > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:57:29 EDT > Subject: HO259 Whistling Station > To: jarcho@... > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Tom: > > I have an old AF whistling station and I am having trouble hooking up the > wires. It's the wires that connect to the brush springs and armature. I'll > try to explain via e-mail but would hope to contact by phone to discuss. > > What wire connects to the each brush. It looks like one should come from the > control box and the other looks like it goes from the other brush to the > armature. Is their a wire that goes from the armature to a post on the > transformer? Also, how do you connect wires to the armature? Must they be > soldered? > > Thanks for your help. > > Ron Moser > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/7/_/494531/_/956984553/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8315	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8316	From: David Dewey	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] BNSF on Warpath

I am doing something I don't usually do, forwarding this to the group. It was sent to Scale group, but I think it is important for all railroad modlers/toy/scale/highrail/etc. people to be aware of this. -----Original Message----- From: drgw489@... <drgw489@...> To: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: [S-Scale] BNSF on Warpath >Hi guys, > >I just saw this on the drgw list, thought I'd post it here for the S >manufacturers >that are on here. Word to the wise... > >>In case you haven't heard... >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Pecos River Brass <prbrass@...> >>Newsgroups: rec.models.railroad >>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:15 AM >>Subject: Trademark Violation >> >> >>> As many of you might already know, US Customs seized a shipment of O >Scale >>> Santa Fe Steam locos imported by Pecos River Brass on Feb 2, 2000. It >>> took 10 weeks, and the help of the Ombudsman's office in Washington DC, >but >>> I won the settlement, and in addition got about $4000 (est) storage >charges >>> paid by customs. I won the case and beat the Federal Government. The >issue >>> was trademark violation, as I didn't have permission from the ATSF to use >>> their lettering on my product. >>> >>> The BNSF was most helpful in giving me permission to use the trademark, >but >>> government being what it is, took their time to search every avenue to >find >>> guilt. The issues were vague and illogical, but never the less, issues >for >>> the customs lawyers. >>> >>> I have my models and the issue with customs, at least for this shipment >is >>> over. On April 25, 2000, I met with the legal department of the BNSF >>> Railway, to see about the possibility of 1) getting permission for future >>> models and 2) seeing if I could convince them that pursuing the model >>> industry was not a good use of their time and resources. >>> >>> Bad News....The BNSF informed me that in the future, ALL MODEL RAILROAD >>> MANUFACTURERS must first get permission from the BNSF legal department >>> before producing anything with BNSF or predecessor railroads. This >>> involves a written letter with a photograph of the model (not prototype) >you >>> are going to produce and get written permission. US Customs will be >the >>> enforcing agency for imported models, but it is unclear how the BNSF will >>> enforce domestic production. No money or royalties will be charged. >All >>> production is included. Prototype photos are not acceptable. If it >takes >>> a staff of 20, the BNSF is prepared to enforce their trademark. >>> >>> Remember Chessie 20 years ago? Remember the PC before that? Note >that >>> perhaps some 50 years ago, the Santa Fe paid Lionel $10 per model to > >produce >>> their F units in warbonnet. My arguments went on deaf ears. I told >them I >>> considered it harassment and they didn't like that word at all. Perhaps >>> NMRA or MRIA needs to get involved. Perhaps some of the big companies >with >>> legal departments need to get involved. >>> >>> Reason for this post was to, of course, stir things up. Get the message >>> out and perhaps other manufacturers reading this will get involved. If >you >>> don't involve yourself, the BNSF is about to involve you in the ordeal. >>> >>> I'm not happy. I realize the importance of protecting your trademark, >but >>> why now, after doing nothing for 50 years. They feel so unattached to >the >>> SF trademark that they are no longer painting warbonnets at the factory >but >>> they are concerned about the fallen flag with model makers. I don't >think >>> that they have seen this through to the end. I don't think they >understand >>> the power of the model industry. I don't think they care. >>> >>> I expressed concern as a stockholder in the BNSF, that they are using my >>> profits for this purpose. They didn't care. Perhaps the next >stockholder's >>>meeting should have this on the table. >>> >>> What do you think? Email me direct at john@... >>> >>> John C. Smith >>> Pecos River Brass >>> visit our website at http://www.pecosriverbrass.com >>> >>> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/1/_/576498/_/957043203/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8317	From: James Roberts	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Starter Set

The Kodak idea, sell the camera at cost and make money selling the film, only works when you make the film. "L" perhaps could use the old dies to make a starter set to sell for less, but they don't have the line of products to sell later to make money from that sort of move. I'm sure it would help the sale of "S" products in general, but where would there be any payoff for them ? They can sell the 0 stuff and have more to sell that buyer, better than the starter set, but they don't even have track for the "S" line. Don has a starter set, The AM Amtrak set that could be thought of as a starter set, but both have a cost factor that keeps the price up. So, no, I don't see where anyone can do it. Not a "low cost" set that is. What is out there is about as low cost as we are likely to see. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8318	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Starter Set

I do not think Lionel can make a starter set any cheaper than AM or SHS is making now. Costs are costs for one and all. Larry James Roberts wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8319	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals -N, HO, S & O scale

533 Southern Illinois Railcar (SIRX) thrall 3 bay covered hopper. (2-96) Painted white with red graphics. Accurail kit. Set will letter one car. 534 ATSF 86' autoparts car. (4-86) Painted ATSF brown. Has small 24 inch Santa Fe logo with the 36 inch old Q. White graphics. Walthers kit. Set will letter one car. 535 Spencer Chem. Div. (10-66) Painted white & black. Has large green Spencer logo. Green & black graphics. Athearn kit with a Detail Associates replacement dome. Set will letter one car. 536 ATSF PS autoparts car. (4-94) Painted ATSF brown. Has large 36 inch Santa Fe logo with the 36 inch new Q. White graphics. Walthers kit. Set will letter one car. 537 Southern Illinois Railcar (SIRX) 18 rib 3 bay covered hopper. (6-96) Painted white with red graphics. Intermountain kit. Set will letter 2 cars. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8320	From: Tom Young	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: Lionel, Phooey

I've seen enough of this discussion about "L" producing and promoting American Flyer. It aint gonna happen. We all love our Flyers because of the short time they were manufactured by AC Gilbert, that's the mystique. The GREAT years, when a lot of us got our first American Flyer train set for Christmas. Those are the trains we love, two rails, the more "REALISTIC" trains by AC Gilbert. Not something produced by "L". I bought two freight cars a year ago on E-Bay, AF by "L", mint in box. Got them cheap, ( no other bids). When I received them, it slowly sunk in, " these aren't Flyers". They still sit mint in box. "L"s not going on my layout. Was going to attempt to sell them on E-Bay, but I've seen the same cars go without a bid by auction close. Still gonna get rid of them though. Anyway I'll never buy anything LIONEL makes, again. Don't care what it is. I'm not supporting an O guage company. Support the people who manufacture and care about our great "S" gauge. American Models, S-Helper, Des Plaines, Crown, and so on. Twenty or thirty years from now, their products from these recent years will be treasured too, as we do now, they are great trains and I run them along with my Flyers regularly, as I'm sure most of you do, Who needs "L" with trains like these available. "L" makes and is more concerned with clunky three rail stuff, not "The American Flyer". AC Gilbert made those. Maddox is more concerned with the pressure from MTH than any we could give him. That's why he was brought in, to save "L" and their three rail stuff. We are a minority guage, buy only from present S guage manufacturers and you can change that. Buy their products and give them the resources to promote our trains, they have incentive, "L" doesn't. You don't have to try to convince them, they already are with us. You have seen the improvements in the the last couple of years. With the Internet making more things available for us. Yes, E-Bay helped, I've never seen so much Flyer in one place before. You've seen S-Helper's great new catalogue, a product of support for that company. There are exciting new products coming from these company's, so buy THEM, give them support and keep your American Flyer's looking great and running smoothly with parts from Doug Peck and Ron Leventon who are also a huge part in promoting our "beSt" guage. Phooey Lionel, you may have the dies, too bad they wound up in your hands. AC would not like to know that, I think.......... Thanks AC Tom............

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8321	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 4/29/2000
Subject: the lionel bru-ha-ha

Well Gentlemen,everybody has chipped in there 2 cents so I figure I can do it as well. The main reason I continue to collect "S" is I inherited my Grandfathers collection. I like the proportions of the cars and engines. They seem more life like and detailed than the Lionel "O" which to me is more toy like.The only thing Lionel has is the name "American Flyer". I've have some pieces of other manufactures and like them quality wise better but they seem to lack the magic of my Flyer pieces. I'm almost glad Lionel doesn't put out anything worthy of the name anymore they just don't have the quality and it's more of an after thought for them. It is for this reason that I don't like Lionel. The 2nd reason I'm writing this is we are all adults and can do and say things in an adult manner without the flaming balls of fury that are going to set my 'puter on fire. If your going to shed blood over this at least do it off line and in person and save my 'puter and my virgin ears!(or eyes depending on your out look!) I do like this list for the Varity of different points of view as well as the tips and pointers I get. Many thanks to every one. Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8322	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel, Phooey

Very well said Larry Tom Young wrote: > I've seen enough of this discussion about "L" producing and promoting > American Flyer. It aint gonna happen. > We all love our Flyers because of the short time they were manufactured

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8323	From: john foley	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: 3rd Rail

Hi Folks Here is part of an update I got today from 3rd Rail. Maybe there is still hope for the Zephyr/Flying Yankee John Foley We will be announcing new HO models in a short time. S Scale is on hold for now. We are considering a lower quantity offer from our manufacturer. Please feel free to email me with your comments and suggestion. Please do not copy this notice as I have read it already. Best Regards, Scott Mann - VP Sunset Models Inc. 3rd Rail a Division of Sunset Models Inc. 37 S. Fourth St. Campbell CA 95008 408-866-1727 Fax 408-866-5674 http://www.3rdrail.com 3rd Rail a Division of Sunset Models Inc. 37 S. Fourth St. Campbell CA 95008 408-866-1727 Fax 408-866-5674 http://www.3rdrail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8324	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HO 0-6-0

In a message dated 4/30/00 5:17:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Anyway today I went to a train show saw a cute little 0-6-0 Gilbert loco. I don't own any HO stuff, but it was too cheap to resist. If you are interested in giving it a home, visit it at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ho_loco.html It is missing a boiler front and a pickup bar. >> And those parts are available! (Assuming pickup bar means the copper axle wiper on the tender trucks.) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8325	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Re: production of a SD-40-2

Dear Neil, Alex, et.al., As I posted on March 5th (test included), I think that a more current production diesel is possible. No gauntlet is needed, read text below and respond accordingly. Don T. Neil Trump wrote: > Alex, > > OK, you said it and I don't disagree, instead of just talking about it why > don't we ask them? Let's throw down the gauntlet now and formerly ask DT > who frequents this list, will SHS produce an SD40 or whatever if we raised x > amount as a deposit? I await eagerly you response Don! > > Neil T. > > O.K., Here goes............... First, it will take three years before you will see you modern engine. Second, $16,000.00 for design from $125,000.00 to $165,000.00 for tooling If you do 15 roads like we did with the SW-9 you will spent 10,000.00 to 15,000.00 for paint masks. I will take care of the unit cost and the cost of marketing. Minimum run is 3,000 units, The retail cost will be somewhere between $200.00 and $250.00 per unit, if sound fits it would be $100.00 extra per unit. To start, We will need all of the research materials (mfg. drawings, lots of detail photos, railroad painting and lettering diagrams, paint chips, etc.) and send the first check of $10,000.00 made out to S Helper Service Inc.. to start the design. Once the drawings are approved (you can actually help review them, it will be about 200 drawings that have several billion dimensions that will need to be checked) we will need 1/3 rd of the tooling cost. The next third is due when the assembled test shots are received and the last third is when the final test shots are approved. We now have a full plate of projects that do not include a modern diesel (I was waiting to see how the American Models SD -60 and Lionel SD-40-2 did before we entered the market) so I cannot afford to help with the above costs (I think I can squeeze the unit and market cost out of Mike). We will pay back all the costs of the design and tooling as the engines are sold (pro rated basis). I am eagerly awaiting you choice (only one please). -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 SW-1s and next run of straight track are now shipping!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8326	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8327	From: Rick Evans {bAss-flyer}	Date: 4/30/2000
Subject: looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets

Anybody know of a source for 1/64th airplanes?? 30's, 40's, 50's time period.... Need to get a few over my layout. And does any one have some used light sockets, that they can part with. Have some Flyer coaches I would like to light up. Thanks a lot! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8328	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets

You may want to look into plastic model planes made in 1:72 scale! Two years ago at the S Spree one of the Ohio clubs used 1:72 model planes in a military airport scene and 1:72 military vehicles as flatcar loads, looked pretty good as I remember. Tom Davis, Charlotte, N.C.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8329	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??

This post was on the TCA mail list. Anyone know anything about this? Chris Zizzo Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:48:09 EDT From: scottthanson@... jarcho@... writes: << S gauge is the predominant gauge in New Zealand! What a sensible country! The internet allows us Americans in S to work much more closely with them. >> TJ, This past week a posting appeared on the ATLAS O forum which might be of interest to you and all those S Gaugers in New Zealand. The man who posted this tidbit has a very large O Gauge layout in Washington, DC which will be featured in the July issue of Classic Toy Trains and is well known for his close relationship with a particular toy train manufacturer, but I won't use any names. He said that he has information that a toy train company (unnamed in his post) is about to launch a new line of S Gauge track and trains. I don't recall the exact wording but my impression was that this was going to be a BIG new line.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8330	From: Richard	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??

Well you lost me with all the inuendos!! Dont worry too much about the Kiwis, they're still in mourning ..trying to remember how you play sport!! Still thankfully they're on our side most of the time.."lest we forget" So who is this "no-name" company...some hints..I wont tell anyone..just me here :-)) Is it a toy company or a model company...do they already have some sort of foot in the door re 1/64?? Ah love rumours..and scuttlebutt >:~)) Richard busy-boy wrote: > > This post was on the TCA mail list. Anyone know anything about this? > Chris Zizzo > > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:48:09 EDT > From: scottthanson@... > > jarcho@... writes: > << S gauge is the predominant gauge in New Zealand! What a sensible > country! > The internet allows us Americans in S to work much more closely with them. > >> > > TJ, > This past week a posting appeared on the ATLAS O forum which might be of > interest to you and all those S Gaugers in New Zealand. The man who posted > this tidbit has a very large O Gauge layout in Washington, DC which will be > featured in the July issue of Classic Toy Trains and is well known for his > close relationship with a particular toy train manufacturer, but I won't use > any names. He said that he has information that a toy train company > (unnamed > in his post) is about to launch a new line of S Gauge track and trains. I > don't recall the exact wording but my impression was that this was going to > be a BIG new line. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2200/7/_/494531/_/957186602/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8331	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: It takes more than a train set...

With all the passionate discussion that goes on regarding getting new blood into S, I offer the following thoughts: There's more than having and inexpensive train set in the stores to get today's youth hooked on trains, let alone S gauge trains. A train set is a start, but not the solution. Return with us now to the thrilling days of yesteryear, when trains were toys and not collectables... When I was a kid, I had the usual wooden trains (the pre-Brio, pre- Thomas era), a smattering of tin friction trains, plus a Lionel layout that came out only at Christmas time. The Lionel cost my folks a good piece of change back then,(1952-53) and it was nothing fancy, a set pieced together for Goldblatt's. Ironically, the Lionel was bought for my brother. As a matter of fact, (the gospel according to my mother) back then, I was frightened by the whistle of our lowly Lionel 2036. What really hooked me was the trips my family took by train to go to various American Legion conventions. Trips on the Pennsy and NYC to New York and Atlantic City. Trips to LA and the Grand Canyon on the Santa Fe. Then, what really nailed it was moving to the Chicago suburbs in the '60's and living a half a block from the IC and a block and a half from the CB&Q. We had room in the basement for a layout year round. Plus, discovering a store within walking distance from my parents house next to the Q tracks that sold trains all year round! (Yea, verily! The MIGHTY hobby shop.) I spent many misspent hours and the few dollars I had over there on HO. The shop owner was VERY tolerant of this wayward youth. Alas, I was the only person in my family so infected. My dad had no interest in trains, and my older brother had only a passing interest. In fact, there was a period where I was discouraged from "playing with trains," even though I was beginning to do scale model railroading at this point. It was only after High School my folks began to really appreciate my model railroading. But, back then, there was no Cable TV, Video Games, Home Computers, Internet, etc... to distract a youthful, inquiring mind. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8332	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: PRODUCTION OF MODERN ERA DIESEL

Hi Don, Thank you very much for that information. I understand your position and you understand mine. I would finance all or part if I could. Most of us can't, even if we sold our Gilbert collections. I think one of my recent messages to an individual which agrees with some recent postings to the list sums up the world of S. We are in a slow growth mode. Without a "Sugar Daddy" like A.C. Gilbert or Richard Kuhn we will have to promote NASG, AM and SHS until we have absorbed thousands of HO and N hobbiests. We will have to re-enlist thousands of old Gilbert owners who don't know "S is alive and well" and perhaps we will live to see "O" with toy train three rail track fade away as we almost did. Staying on the two rail NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn >From: Don Thompson <robin@...> >Subject: Re: production of a SD-40-2 >Dear Neil, Alex, et.al., >As I posted on March 5th (test included), I think >that a more current production diesel is possible. >No gauntlet is needed, read text below and >respond accordingly. >Don T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8333	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] posts from TCA list--NEW S gauge??

The posting should have probably read, "S Scale"! Railways in NZ are built to operate on the European narrow gauge of one meter, approximately 39". In NZ they build 3/16 scale models that operate on a 16.5mm track gauge(HO). Also available are S Scale 3' narrow gauge, US prototypes. Vehicles, figures are also availabe and are suitable for US layouts. More moden type deisels are availabe for either the Alaska, 3' and Newfoundland, 1meter gauge railways. Check it out, there are some interesting possibilities! Tom Davis, Charlotte, N.C.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8334	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] looking for 1/64th airplanes & light sockets

You can get new light sockets at Radio Shack. Rick Evans {bAss-flyer} wrote: > > Anybody know of a source for 1/64th airplanes?? > 30's, 40's, 50's time period.... > Need to get a few over my layout. > > And does any one have some used light sockets, that > they can part with. Have some Flyer coaches I would like > to light up. > > Thanks a lot! > > Rick. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Join Garden.com's affiliate program and enjoy numerous benefits. > To learn more click here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2955/7/_/494531/_/957161955/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8335	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Horn/diesel roar operation

This past weekend I purchased at a garage sale a Vista Dome North Coast Limited set in near excellent condition with original boxes (great price! Gloat.). I can use some advice on the sound system. This is the first time I've had a unit with "diesel roar." Is it supposed to be so loud? Anyway to adjust? Is it supposed to be on continuously whenever power is supplied? Also: the horn also makes noise whenever power is supplied, a low scratchy sound. It does not react, however, to the diesel horn generators. The speaker looks great, there is a resistor and a 100 mfd capacitor capacitor hooked up to it. Any ideas? -Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8336	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: production of a SD-40-2

So Bob, any suggestions. An SD70, Dash9. Can't get a whole lot more modern? cheers Robert W. Jackson wrote: > Well, now, > I will deposit $500 (roughly the cost of two modern diesels) to an > appropriate account (held appropriately) to start the ball rolling, > but I don't want an SD-40-2. I already have two and I want something > even more modern. Now all we need is about 300 more guys like me. > Bob Jackson > > Robin Thompson wrote: > >> Dear Neil, Alex, et.al., >> As I posted on March 5th (test included), I think that a more >> current >> production diesel is possible. No gauntlet is needed, read text >> below and >> respond accordingly. >> Don T. >> >> Neil Trump wrote: >> >> > Alex, >> > >> > OK, you said it and I don't disagree, instead of just talking >> about it why >> > don't we ask them? Let's throw down the gauntlet now and formerly >> ask DT >> > who frequents this list, will SHS produce an SD40 or whatever if >> we raised x >> > amount as a deposit? I await eagerly you response Don! >> > >> > Neil T. >> > >> > >> >> O.K., Here goes............... >> First, it will take three years before you will see you modern >> engine. >> Second, $16,000.00 for design >> from $125,000.00 to $165,000.00 for tooling >> If you do 15 roads like we did with the SW-9 you will spent >> 10,000.00 to >> 15,000.00 for paint masks. >> I will take care of the unit cost and the cost of marketing. >> Minimum run is >> 3,000 units, >> The retail cost will be somewhere between $200.00 and $250.00 per >> unit, if sound >> fits it would be $100.00 extra per unit. >> To start, We will need all of the research materials (mfg. >> drawings, lots of >> detail photos, railroad painting and lettering diagrams, paint >> chips, etc.) and >> send the first check of $10,000.00 made out to S Helper Service >> Inc.. to start >> the design. Once the drawings are approved (you can actually help >> review them, >> it will be about 200 drawings that have several billion dimensions >> that will >> need to be checked) we will need 1/3 rd of the tooling cost. The >> next third is >> due when the assembled test shots are received and the last third is >> when the >> final test shots are approved. >> We now have a full plate of projects that do not include a >> modern diesel (I >> was waiting to see how the American Models SD -60 and Lionel SD-40-2 >> did before >> we entered the market) so I cannot afford to help with the above >> costs (I think >> I can squeeze the unit and market cost out of Mike). >> We will pay back all the costs of the design and tooling as the >> engines are >> sold (pro rated basis). I am eagerly awaiting you choice (only one >> please). >> >> -- Don Thompson >> S Helper Service Inc. >> http://www.showcaseline.com >> 1.800.465.0303 >> SW-1s and next run of straight track >> are now shipping! >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to >> s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8337	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Horn/diesel roar operation

Roy, Yep, your train is broken, Junk. I'll take it off your hands, just because I'm a nice guy! Sounds like the horn generator contacts (inside the can) are corroded, just enough to make it not "honk" Yep, DR is noisy! S David

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8338	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Track Availablility

There is another manufacturer of s-scale code 100 flex track and switches: TRACK: http://www.divisionpoint.com/banta/tomalco.html SWITCHES: http://www.divisionpoint.com/banta/banta_new.html I've used their stuff and have had excellent results. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8339	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Horn/diesel roar operation

In a message dated 5/1/00 2:02:03 PM, plotnick@... writes: << I can use some advice on the sound system. This is the first time I've had a unit with "diesel roar." Is it supposed to be so loud? >> Yes. (The kid in me thinks it's 'just right'. :-)) ) <<Anyway to adjust? >> No. << Is it supposed to be on continuously whenever power is supplied?>> Yes, for 1956 version. The version in the Alcos for later years had an on-off switch (You can disconnect it if your mother complains.). <<Also: the horn also makes noise whenever power is supplied, a low scratchy sound. It does not react, however, to the diesel horn generators. >> The generator can probably needs adjustment/replacement. Repair involves opening the can, cleaning the contacts and adjusting the contact gaps. The scratchy sound during operation can be greatly reduced: (1) by cleaning the contact shoes and wheels, and (2) by increasing the coil spring tension in the contact shoes by either the replacement of the springs or by slightly stretching the original springs and placing them back into the shoes. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8340	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: SW-1

Using the Internet, I ordered one #00456 SW-1 Southern Pacific #1014 from S-Helper Service Inc. It was delivered within in the week. There was considerable packing to protect the switcher box. It arrived as shipped, no damage. I am impressed with the box that the switcher came in, The "Enginemen's Operating Manual" is well done. The manual has 15 pages and is a good read. Yes, I read every page of the manual be the switcher was placed on the run around track next to the main track where a 21130 was at ready with a consist of 955 passenger cars. No, this is not an AC Gilbert set. It is my made up train. Yes, I am proud and honored to run the Hudson. It has a special place on the shelf when it is not making a run. Back to the #1014. It started right up and did break-in for about twenty minutes. No, it hasn't done grade pull or load pull. A true flyer person doesn't see new and different power. One must enjoy the moment. Track was laid in 1973. The track and switches are primarily AC Gilbert. There is some Gargrave. #1014 ran the tunnel route with no problems. No heat after twenty minutes. Electricity pickup was good. The only noise was track sound. It responded to speed change. Direction change was excellent. It looks great. Enough said. I am having fun! Marvin .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8341	From: milorod@aol.com	Date: 5/1/2000
Subject: Re: production of a SD-40-2

I applaud Neil, Alex, and others regarding production of a modern diesel, and I equally applaud Don Thompson for being honest and upfront with his cost information. I'm sure a number of folks on the list were "enlightened" by the nonrecurring costs. I speak from experience (aerospace engineering) that checking all the necessary drawings is in no way a small task, especially when "attention to detail" is a must, in order to produce accurate locomotive models. regards Milo J & M Custom Layouts

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8342	From: sigma@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Pewter

I have just acquired an F3 shell which appears to be cast in pewter. Can anyone offer a clue as to who might have made such an animal, and when? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8343	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: NP NC Ltd.

>This past weekend I purchased at a garage sale a Vista Dome North Coast >Limited set in near excellent condition with original boxes (great price! >Gloat.). I hate you, hate you HATE YOU! :~) How in the world did this dream situation present itself??? Is this the deluxe train with car lighting and 5 cars (2 domes, 1 combine, 1 obs. and 1 coach)? Diesel Roar is in the B unit and there is a slide switch lever underneath that turns it off, It will drive you crazy if you leave it on. If the speaker is making static when the train rolls, this is normal and would tend to indicate that everything in the B unit is working. Look instead to the controller. The wiring diagram should be included, but is also published in the Gilbert Instruction Manual. Most times when the horn doesn't work, this is the cause. If you still can't get it working, I'll be glad to take it off your hands for what you paid so you don't get hurt from this deal. Pleeeeease! :-> Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8344	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Shipping Status

Howdy Friends Just a quick note to let y'all know that all reserved S scale Coon Gap Sawmills have been shipped. There are just a few of the 75 kits left in stock. http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm Also, we accelerated the schedule (i.e., stayed even later than normal) and we will start shipping the S Scale Shotgun Houses tomorrow. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm Thanks for your support! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8345	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: 360 with factory axle bushings?

My 360 chassis's have brass axle-hole bushings. Did they come that way from the factory? Everything else looks normal - - black, PA11412 stamped on them, no pulmor wheels, a bay that accommodates only the narrow field not the wider one used later. The bushings appear to have a key, or square notch, in them. They are badly worn in the vertical direction (axles move ~.75 mm), but no wear in the lateral direction. Are direct replacement bushings for these available (Doug)? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8346	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 360 with factory axle bushings?

In a message dated 5/2/00 12:24:48 PM, david_horn@... writes: Dave asked: << My 360 chassis's have brass axle-hole bushings. Did they come that way from the factory? >> Early 360-361 PA-PB's did have factory bushings. They were soon deleted as a cost cutting measure (Groan!!!!!!), as was the black paint. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8347	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/2/2000
Subject: not only on E-bay

just to show that funky descriptions occur elsewhere than E-bay, the following is on Yahoo! Auctions for a 630 caboose: "This caboose is illuminated and has no major scratches on it but has some manufacturer's imperfections in the mold on the raised roof. Some of the writing is worn off & one set of steps is broken off. This caboose is complete but is separated from its base. ... This caboose is in excellent condition." (emphasis mine). -Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8348	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: SHS Message board

Hi guys, FYI. S-Helper has launched a message board on their site. The link is at the bottom of the 'All About "S" Scale' frame and in the 'What's New' frame. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8349	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: McDonalds vs Taco Bell]

I couldn't help my self. I just gots ta know! Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8350	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: [Fwd: Fwd: McDonalds vs Taco Bell]

A restaurant trade magazine rated all fast food companies. They rated all of them about equal as each had their ups and downs, but equal except McDonalds. Of them they said McDonalds should enter into a contract with Disney and concentrate on toys and forget about food. Larry michael prell wrote: > I couldn't help my self. I just gots ta know! > > Note: forwarded message attached. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avoid the lines and visit avis.com for quick and easy online > reservations. Enjoy a compact car nationwide for only $29 a day! > Click here for more details. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3011/7/_/494531/_/957365861/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8351	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Keyed bushings

In a message dated 5/3/00 4:13:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > The bushings appear to have a key, or square > notch, in them. They are badly worn in the vertical direction (axles move > ~.75 mm), but no wear in the lateral direction. Are direct replacement > bushings for these available (Doug)? Yes, they are. These chasses are actually easier to rebush than the later ones. Those bushings will punch out, and my replacement bushings just tap back in, secured by a dab of LocTite. These bushings are already the correct size for the axles (the left side and right side bushings are different!), so you don't have to do ANY drilling at all! I have used these myself, and rebushed a chassis in about 10 minutes! They are $10 per set of four bushings, plus $1 shipping, if that's all you need. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8352	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: production of a SD-40-2

The problem, as always, is to get agreement on what would be an acceptable model. There's almost as many suggestion as there are S-scalers. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8353	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Ho Loco Auction - update

I am selling an HO 31004 loco. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ho_loco.html I have ordered a wiper & boiler front, they will be included when I ship the Loco to the winner. The reserve has been met, any more bidders? Bob Hawley is the high bid at $75. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8354	From: michael prell	Date: 5/3/2000
Subject: Taco Bellofa mistake

Sorry friends! I accidentally sent a bit of nonsense that certainly did not belong on this site. It had absolutely nothing to do with trains, and I apologize to all of you for this error. Again, sorry. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8355	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: The 290 Pacific

Did anyone see "The Train Collectors Quarterly", April 2000? There was a marvelous article by Carl Byron entitled, "American Flyer's S Gauge New Haven I-4 Pacific." Everything you want to know about old AC's prototype is in this article, including four good pictures too. I was unaware, as I seem to be of many things in life, that in 1920 the frames of the I-4 Pacific were beefed up and the main air reservoirs relocated atop the boiler between the stack and steam dome. There they sit, big honkers, plain as day, with some sort of air foil, or heat sheild, or spark deflector in front of them. Old AC deleted the whole works. Lazy b_____. (Just kidding, AC!) Any body care to take a stab at the dimensions of these cylinders? I'd like to try sticking them back on. Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8356	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Homestead WEB Page

I had to use thier INDEX because of the ads. I merged the content of my INDEX. So now I see the INDEX page and my text without pictures on line. In another folder sits my pictures and web pages 2 and 3. I need some help. I call this my Trogen Horse WEB site. It is aimed at diecast car, truck and fire engine collectors. I couldn't get anyone else to test this idea, so now I am trying to get it up and running. I will make flyers and distribute at Hobby Shops, Die Cast Car stores and flea markets to see what kind of reaction I get. Train pictures and links will be truck related. I will direct people to building kits, figures etc. Please respond off line. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8357	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Subject: Taco Bell ofa mistake

<< <<Sorry friends! I accidentally sent a bit of nonsense <<that certainly did not belong on this site. It had <<absolutely nothing to do with trains, and I apologize <<to all of you for this error. Again, sorry. Mike That's ok Mike, just don't let it happen again, you took up very valuable text space from people that would rather bitch about EBAY sellers shipping rates or about how some A _ _ spent too much on a train on EBAY with full investigation report to confirm he really is a buyer. We need this space for people that need to give shock reports on the outrageous price a seller got for a AF train on EBAY, it must be a hoax I think, right?lol...don't forget the great people who spell check for people that missed a letter, what a help that is , I feel better knowing their out there to teach us. There are also people who like to represent us and give their point of view to a falling star company that may let the AF name die a miserable death, they need to realize the new American Flyer name is American Models and S-Helper ect.They are the names my kid knows and will remember when he has a job and wants to buy more S trains. Hey guys, I about 2 seconds from unsubscribing from this list, I have always talked about products I would like to see made and things to make this more fun as a hobby, stop the complaining and nitpicking like a bunch of old lady's, loosen up and have fun, its AMERICA.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8358	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: New or old.

Guys you are old enought to figure out that there where more rail roads to model in the 50's and 60's. S Helper knows that there were more bill board box cars painted in other names then any other car would ever have. There are people here that will only buy if something is produced in the road name they operate in. They had to get the volume of production up to pay for the products they produce. We are the builders gauge. I though we could help each other build what we want from this list. Just do it, don't wait for someone else. I know of may people who have done things that could help us by having a place to share ideas. That is why some of us are working on new web sites. Whe need a projects web site. Look how the pictures helped some of us to decide to buy those new couplers. We will grow though the web. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8359	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Horn/diesel roar

First, thanks to all of you who made helpful suggestions on my malfunctioning horn/diesel roar. I was finally able to diagnose the problem as a faulty speaker. This surprised me, since the speaker did make the scratchy sounds I mentioned. When I hooked up another speaker, however the sound came through loud (!) and clear. I replaced the original speaker with an 8ohm small speaker from my local electronics store. I removed the existing resistor from the circuit. -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8360	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Diesel wish list

The s-scale list has been debating about whether or not a FM Trainmaster would sell as an S-product. Lionel produced them starting with "The Lackawanna" (as we kids referred to it). MTH produces them in O and Athearn in HO. Several of us are on both lists because of our all-around interest in S. The question is: Would the Highrail and ACG community support an effort to manufacture them? I would be anxious to hear your opinions. Roy Hoffman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8361	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: 290 Pacific

I would like to know the dimensions of the air tanks on top of the I-4 Pacific . There is also a small wind deflector or smoke lifter or something something directly in front of them. I'd like more info on that too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8362	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 620

I thought it was relevant, thought maybe you meant McDonalds was like "L" > From: michael prell <mlprell@...> > Subject: Taco Bellofa mistake > > Sorry friends! I accidentally sent a bit of nonsense > that certainly did not belong on this site. It had > absolutely nothing to do with trains, and I apologize > to all of you for this error. Again, sorry. Mike > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8363	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Subj:unsubscribe Date: 5/4/00 1:24:54 PM Central Daylight Time From: GPMLG To: s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com Out of town until May 9th, thanks, George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8364	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/4/2000
Subject: Trainmaster

Tx to Keith Thompson in Seattle! I will commit to a trainmaster if a few have ATSF paint schemes (warbonnet type?) Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8365	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Train Show

If anyone is in the Roanoke, VA area this weekend the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be running a small 4'X8' layout at the Rail Fare Days at the Virginia Transportation Museum. The show is Saturday. I have been told we will be the only operating layout at the show. I will be operating my custom N&W Powhatan Arrow and a custom Virginian Passenger train. Another member, Jack Wise, will be operating vintage Flyer stuff and we will have several operating accessories. The reason we are operating a 4'X8' layout in Roanoke is because Mike Myers will have our Modular layout in Harrisonburg, VA for the train meet there on Sunday. If you are in the Northern Virginia area stop by and see Mike on Sunday at the county fairgrounds. J. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8366	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake

Your one of the idiots Scott so I don't care what you think. > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Holm [SMTP:imsscott@...] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 10:55 AM > To: Dalessandro, David L TL13C > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell ofa mistake > > So from what I gather from your barely intelligible letter is that only > you should be allowed to complain and nitpick, Is that correct? > > --- "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" > <David.Dalessandro2@...> wrote: > > << > > <<Sorry friends! I accidentally sent a bit of nonsense > > <<that certainly did not belong on this site. It had > > <<absolutely nothing to do with trains, and I apologize > > <<to all of you for this error. Again, sorry. Mike > > > > That's ok Mike, just don't let it happen again, you took up very > > valuable > > text space from people that would rather bitch about EBAY sellers > > shipping > > rates or about how some A _ _ spent too much on a train on EBAY with > > full > > investigation report to confirm he really is a buyer. We need this > > space for > > people that need to give shock reports on the outrageous price a > > seller got > > for a AF train on EBAY, it must be a hoax I think, right?lol...don't > > forget > > the great people who spell check for people that missed a letter, > > what a > > help that is , I feel better knowing their out there to teach us. > > There > > are also people who like to represent us and give their point of view > > to a > > falling star company that may let the AF name die a miserable death, > > they > > need to realize the new American Flyer name is American Models and > > S-Helper > > ect.They are the names my kid knows and will remember when he has a > > job and > > wants to buy more S trains. Hey guys, I about 2 seconds from > > unsubscribing > > from this list, I have always talked about products I would like to > > see made > > and things to make this more fun as a hobby, stop the complaining and > > nitpicking like a bunch of old lady's, loosen up and have fun, its > > AMERICA. > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8367	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake

Darn! I missed the opening of this feud. Deleted the original messages because I don't like Mexican food. So I have no idea who's wrong or right. One thing I do know: Scott Holm is not an idiot. His advice on and off list has been extremely helpful to me. Man knows his Flyer. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8368	From: John Craft	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake

Shouldn't that be "You're" "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > Your one of the idiots Scott so I don't care what you think.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8369	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Taco Bell of a mistake

Here is another Larry and Ed under different names. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! larry jarcho@... wrote: > Darn! I missed the opening of this feud. Deleted the original messages > because I don't like Mexican food. So I have no idea who's wrong or right. > > One thing I do know: Scott Holm is not an idiot. His advice on and off > list has been extremely helpful to me. Man knows his Flyer. > > Tom Jarcho > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8370	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake.

Naah, Larry. Your feud with Ed belongs in the Hall of Fame (Shame). This here is just a passing storm.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8371	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake

It can really be whatever I want it to be John. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Craft [SMTP:RRDART@...] > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:41 PM > To: Dalessandro, David L TL13C > Cc: 'Scott Holm'; 's-trains@egroups.com' > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake > > Shouldn't that be "You're" > > "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > > > Your one of the idiots Scott so I don't care what you think. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8372	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Subject: Taco Bell of a mistake

If Some of you are going to call each other names. DON'T SEND ME A COPY OF THOSE KIND OF E-MAILS !!! Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8373	From: James Roberts	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: PRIZE

All, In case anyone cares, I got my prize from the chat with Richard Maddox of "L" Yes, it's an "L" 0-27 car. So now I have to make up my mind what I'll do with it. I could try to sell it to buy something in "S". Or, I could try to cut it down and fit "S" trucks under it. If I were to cut it down to "S", I wonder if I should repaint it ? It's blue, and has the "L" name. 1900-2000 NEW YORK TOY FAIR, with the "name" and toy fair in gold color, and the other words in blue. The other end has a light blue and white skyline of New York City. So, if I were to narrow it, and put it on "S" highrail trucks, should I let the graphics stay, or repaint ? Hay, you talked me into joining the chat. That is how I got it. So, it's only fair to ask you about it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8374	From: Bruce Pilcher	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: errors!

<Shouldn't that be "You're"> Yes, it should. And this should be "they're!" <I feel better knowing their out there to teach us. > Have a great weekend, guys! Bruce

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8375	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: PRIZE

If it's an 0-27 (double door) boxcar it should be the same width as an AF boxcar. No narrowing necessary. Perhaps you should try to swap it for a Flyer item on the Toytrains list. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8376	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: New or old.

Jim Sleeth wrote: >There are people here that will only buy if >something is produced in the road name they operate in. I noticed this recently. If someone models, for example, Milwaukee Road, he'd want Milwaukee engines, Cabeese, passenger cars, and MOW equipment. It is understandable that he would also want as many Milwaukee freight cars as he could find. But why stop there? The Milwaukee Road ran freight from many roads. Almost any roadname or private label car could appear as a result of interchange service. There might be through Pullmans and passenger pool cars from other roads, leased engines, demonstrators, unrepainted used equipment recently purchased, and other transitional gear in temporary service either purchased or borrowed. There could even be private varnish. Old rosters for a particular railroad may reveal such holdings and operation. Yet some folks stick to a single name only. Why? I'm looking for an educational moment here with someone who follows this practice. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8377	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE

Dear James, Have you considered offering it on e-bay and then purchasing some NEW "S" gauge equipment? Don T. James Roberts wrote: > All, > In case anyone cares, I got my prize from the chat with Richard Maddox of "L" > Yes, it's an "L" 0-27 car. So now I have to make up my mind what I'll do with it. I could try to sell it to buy something in "S". Or, I could try to cut it down and fit "S" trucks under it. > If I were to cut it down to "S", I wonder if I should repaint it ? It's blue, and has the "L" name. 1900-2000 NEW YORK TOY FAIR, with the "name" and toy fair in gold color, and the other words in blue. The other end has a light blue and white skyline of New York City. > So, if I were to narrow it, and put it on "S" highrail trucks, should I let the graphics stay, or repaint ? > Hay, you talked me into joining the chat. That is how I got it. So, it's only fair to ask you about it. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/11/_/494531/_/957581353/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8378	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/5/2000
Subject: New or old

Chris: I think the type of thinking you refer to is popular because it has been promoted by Model Railroader magazine. Maybe their motto oughta be, "Tighten it up until it squeaks!" It's HO -N thinking. Their locos are so small and cheap that a dealer can stock many roadnames. The industry driven magazines of course promote this practice. In S and O, regardless of whether scale, hirail, or whatever, I imagine it is more difficult for a dealer to carry lots of road names because the items are much costlier and also bulkier. Never having been a dealer, I don't know for sure. Examples of foreign equipment on various railroads are many: I remember seeing New Haven passenger trains that had PRR tuscan cars, Seaboard pullmans and Erie-Lackawanna and NY Central.baggage cars. The latest Classic Trains has an article about Great Lakes railroading, including a zone where PRR and NYC ran freight trains on each other's lines. PRR leased steam locos from Santa Fe and C & O at various times. Bangor and Aroostook Bl-2's worked in Florida in the winter. And on and on. All railroads had arrangements with their neighbors to use each other's trackage during floods and other disasters. Plus it's always easy to invent a plausible reason for a stranger. When my North Coast Limited ran on my mostly NYC-NH layout last winter, I "pretended" that it was on a holiday promotional trip for tourism in the Northwest. Of course no vista dome cars were possible under catenary, but then I didn't have any catenary! Incidentally, some of the PA's that Flyer modeled visited foreign roads. The first PA, a Santa Fe warbonnet , was introduced at a big party at a New York City hotel. The highlight was when the guests went downstairs. There she was, on the tracks of the NY Central. I believe she might have made stops in several other Eastern cities as well. The blue and yellow Santa Fe PA (only one A unit was ever painted in this scheme) made a nationwide tour on behalf of General Electric. Of course, the GM GP-7 demonstrator (A.F. #'s 370, 371,375) visited a lot of railroads. So Flyer oriented railroads have perhaps a little more leeway than other types. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8379	From: jsbmlb@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE

Jim writes: In case anyone cares, I got my prize from the chat with Richard Maddox of "L" Yes, it's an "L" 0-27 car. So now I have to make up my mind what I'll do with it. I could try to sell it to buy something in "S". Or, I could try to cut it down and fit "S" trucks under it. If I were to cut it down to "S", I wonder if I should repaint it ? It's blue, and has the "L" name. 1900-2000 NEW YORK TOY FAIR, with the "name" and toy fair in gold color, and the other words in blue. The other end has a light blue and white skyline of New York City. So, if I were to narrow it, and put it on "S" highrail trucks, should I let the graphics stay, or repaint ? Hay, you talked me into joining the chat. That is how I got it. So, it's only fair to ask you about it. Jim: I have an idea! Just to let you know up front, this is "tongue in cheek" and I don't want anyone to get anyone upset. However, if you like the idea and want to do it I'll help out. Are you familiar with the practice of getting a junk car and charging a dollar a person to swing a sledge hammer at the car as a frustration reliever? Here is what we do. We do the same thing with the O-27 prize and make a movie of it. You get the dollars from the smashing and you could sell the video's too! We'll send one movie free to "L". I usually think Don T's ideas are best but, give this one a chance. I think you would get more money than even selling the car on e-bay. Then you could use the money to but some real S equipment. What do you think? I'm a genius!!! NO?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8380	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PRIZE

In a message dated 5/6/00 7:50:44 AM, jsbmlb@... writes: << If I were to cut it down to "S", I wonder if I should repaint it ? It's blue, and has the "L" name. 1900-2000 NEW YORK TOY FAIR, with the "name" and toy fair in gold color, and the other words in blue. The other end has a light blue and white skyline of New York City. >> Your call, Jim -- your prize, but Toy Fair box cars (including new ones) are very collectible among the Lionel folk, so it would be unfortunate to disfigure the piece. Take a peak in a current TM Price and Rarity guide for an estimate of value. You should have not much trouble selling the car and buying something else that you want in original Gilbert or new S. Don T's suggestion is a good one. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8381	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Re: New or old

Good info, Tom. I suppose the warbonnet PA was in Grand Central Station? You said: >"The blue and yellow Santa Fe PA (only one A unit was ever painted in this scheme) made a >nationwide tour on behalf of General Electric." I thought that the only blue & yellow PA's were in the mind of A.C. Gilbert. Have you ever seen a color photograph of this unit? Was it returned to red and silver livery at the end of the tour or did it work in freight service? Regarding single roadname use you said: >The industry driven magazines of course promote this practice. In S and O, regardless >of whether scale, hirail, or whatever, I imagine it is more difficult for a >dealer to carry lots of road names because the items are much costlier and >also bulkier. Perhaps, because HO and N began life as scale models while S and O started out as toys, there was an emphasis in the smaller gauges on producing items in all the roadnames that prototypically used the equipment (such as Don Thompson now does for us). S & O came from manufacturers that wanted to produce a variety of colorful trains. That might mean one locomotive in one paint scheme, and an entirely different loco in another scheme. Making a USRA light Pacific in 8 roadnames would not serve the interests of the general toy consumer. In S, we have inherited that type of thinking; a thought process which is pervasive at Lionel to this day, in spite of their leanings to a scale product. My question, though, still goes unanswered. Let me show a little of where I am going. Guys who model one RR and do so in great detail are usualy considered part of the scale modeling / operator world. Guys who specialize in pre-war Flyer from the W.O. Coleman era only are generally considered "train collectors." There has always been much ado about who is a collector and who is an operator or modeler. Now, there is this business of single roadname operation. If there indeed are people who only amass equipment in Chicago Northwestern livery, to the exclusion of all others, even roadnames that regularly appeared on CNW tracks, then this smacks strongly of "collecting." I would love to talk to such people and see how they view their hobby. Two to go (on any rails), Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8382	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: B.T.S. S Sawmill

Howdy Friends Not trying to be pushy, but I know some of you are still debating about getting a Silver Edition Coon Gap Sawmill; the kit with sound effects. You may wish to make a decision real soon. Only two kits are left. We have just a few more of the standard kits and if any of these are left, we will have them at the Spring S Spree in Cleveland on May 19. http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm S Scale Shotgun Houses have been shipped to those with backorders. Stock is on the shelf. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm Thanks for your support! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8383	From: Jack Sink	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8384	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 7, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8385	From: Cathy Pendleton	Date: 5/6/2000
Subject: Track Planning CAD

Does anyone know of a track planning CAD program that might be available online? I have a 3-yr. old HP computer, and not too many extra whistles and bells on it. Thanks. Steve Pendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8386	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/7/2000
Subject: ebay under investigation

Today's NY Times said that ebay is "...the subject of three local and federal investigations." (May 7 week in review, p. 1). No other details were given. Anyone know any more about this? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8387	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/7/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 7, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8388	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: S-Helper's F-3's

Ok, Ok, Ok,.....I have stated in the past that I'm not much on new products, and there is plenty of old flyer out there for me to collect, BUT... I just checked out S- Helper's site and I really and I mean REALLY like the F-3 A&B units! I have always liked this style and was pretty bummed to find out that Flyer only made the Alcos. So I might start saving my pennies and buy a Southern Pacific F-3 from S-helper! Has anyone picked up this pair yet? Any input on these? Thanks a lot! Also thanks for the tips on planes for the layout. Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8389	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] AF prototypes

-----Original Message----- From: BlackDiamondRR@... <BlackDiamondRR@...> To: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: [S-Scale] AF prototypes >Hello all, Just browsing through the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains and >an article by an AF collector showed an interesting photo. Now you're all >wondering what this has to do with "scale", nothing really but I thought it >interesting. Am Flyer once proposed an EMD NW-2 and the prototype or mockup >model showed it in LV's earliest colors! Ok, thats all now I'll go back to >scale. Anyone on this list also belong to the S-trains list? Maybe you could >pass this on to them. Later, Bud > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. >http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/1/_/576498/_/957816390/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8390	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: [S-Scale] AF prototypes

In a message dated 5/8/00 4:37:44 PM, djdewey@... writes: << Just browsing through the latest issue of Classic Toy Trains and >an article by an AF collector showed an interesting photo. Now you're all >wondering what this has to do with "scale", nothing really but I thought it >interesting. Am Flyer once proposed an EMD NW-2 and the prototype or mockup model showed it in LV's earliest colors! >> This ACG prototype is well-known and is part of Ken Hein's collection (See "American Flyer Features", page 63, Heimberger Publishing, 1985. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8391	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Flyer in a cage

While I usually keep my notes to trains, I've been thinking about the issue of frustration over Lionel's lack of activity with American Flyer. While it is true modern manufacturers such as American Models and SHS produce very fine S-scale items today, I don't think there's anything wrong with being disappointed with the absence of new high-quality products bearing the proud moniker of American Flyer. The best analogy I can come up with is if GM had bought Ford in the seventies, and then did nothing of material value with the product line except dribble out some token junk out every now and then as a tease. How would you feel as a Ford fan? Sure you could no doubt buy alternative modern domestic and foreign manufactured cars of equal, if not superior, quality/features compared to any of the old Fords, but that's not the point. There'd still be that hunger for something "real" from Ford again. The result. I predict, is that you'd see even more enthusiasts collecting, resorting, racing, and rallying old Fords than there already are today. So I'm one of them, only with Flyer, and Lionel is holding my favorite brand hostage. I'm allowed to feel bad about that. I'm not going to dwell on it or loose sleep over it. In the meantime I buy, repair, operate and enjoy as much classic Flyer as I can, while also sampling modern products for comparison and fun. Would it warm my heart to see great products once again from American Flyer, sure, but on the other hand, their absence makes me all the more grateful for the marvelous things AC Gilbert did have the vision to manufacture, and thankful that folks at companies like American Models and SHS have picked up the baton to keep S-gauge alive and well. PS There's been a string of messages on the TCA list about buying trains in unopened tombs, I mean boxes. One mentioned that Gary Clark almost goes to tears when he steps into his room full of unopened American Flyer sets. Gary's tears come apparently from sentimentality, mine would be from lack tearing them open and running it all. While I believe it takes all types to make up a healthy hobby (i.e. collectors, operators, preservationists, etc.) this sect that gets all sappy over unopened stuff amazes me. Especially when it comes to Flyer. After all, it's those unopened boxes sitting on stores' shelves instead of getting sold and put to use that ultimately put AC's company on the block. If you got 'em, run 'em. That way the trains get to complete their "mission", you smile a lot, and someone watching might also get bit by the toy train bug too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8392	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage

Isn't that what they are doing?????? What ever happen to Studebaker, Packard, Nash, Hudson and others. The new owner is dropping the plymouth name. The same thing is happening with Railroads. MP, CRI&P and many more are gone. AF is dead, and as I have said before, any thing Lionel brings out under the "sainted" name of AF will not be AF as you remember it. So do not taint your memory. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8393	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage

David (the Other David--<G>) Well, as part of that thread mentions, different strokes for different folks. I have a few sets I don't run because of their mint condtion and rarity. I do this not as a collector, but as one who is holding in public trust, a bit of untouched history. When my other AF has all been repainted, rebuilt, re-wheeled, and otherwise used and kept running, there will still be a few examples left of "untouched" stuff for others to see just what the stuff looked like when the factory made it. Same thing happens with old cars--there are a few nearly untouched Model Ts around, one is known as the "Rip Van Winkle car" most of the miles on it (around 25, I think) were put on by some thieves who stole it once years ago, not knowing what they were stealing! This car has invaluable information; what pieces were actually used to build the car (as opposed to what the era documents said were used!), how the paint finish looked (rather sloppy by today's standards). No restoration is as accurate as the factory's work (it's usually better!). This doesn't mean I think everyone should horde unopened boxes of trains, I'm just trying to explain why a few unopened boxes may be significant, and valid, to have around. Blame it on the curator in me! Meanwhile I'll run my other stuff, until I can't repair it!!! (including my 21004, which, fortunately for me, has enough damage that I don't have to worry what might happen while switching the yard, etc.--yet it still looks grand enough that I used it in a museum display last month). Gotta run, counting people again. S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8394	From: judy messinger	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Western Maryland Decals

Does anyone out there in "S" Land know of a source for Western Maryland decals for tenders and cars? I've looked for a source, but haven't as yet found anything. I have several 640 hoppers and a tender that I would like to repaint for my Flyer set. Thanks in advance for any help someone might offer. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8395	From: John Craft	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western Maryland Decals

John Hall Address to follow if nobody else adds it. judy messinger wrote: > Does anyone out there in "S" Land know of a source for Western Maryland > decals for tenders and cars? > > I've looked for a source, but haven't as yet found anything. > > I have several 640 hoppers and a tender that I would like to repaint for my > Flyer set. > > Thanks in advance for any help someone might offer. > > Joe Messinger > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/11/_/494531/_/957839878/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8396	From: James Roberts	Date: 5/8/2000
Subject: Fw: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine

Looks like that didn't last long. Did we scare them away ? J.Fred -----Original Message----- From: randy.swain@... <randy.swain@...> To: jfred436@... <jfred436@...> Date: Monday, May 08, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Yahoo! Clubs More Trains Than You Can Imagine >Hello to all, > >A note to say goodbye and farewell. I hope the >club helped you all in some way. The club is >gone but not the memories. > >Keep the trains alive! > >Have a great train day! >Latem, >Nocofeman > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8397	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Western Maryland Decals

Dear Joe, Try John Hall for the hoppers. E-mail enclosed. Don T. judy messinger wrote: > Does anyone out there in "S" Land know of a source for Western Maryland > decals for tenders and cars? > > I've looked for a source, but haven't as yet found anything. > > I have several 640 hoppers and a tender that I would like to repaint for my > Flyer set. > > Thanks in advance for any help someone might offer. > > Joe Messinger > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/11/_/494531/_/957839878/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8398	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: FLYER IN A CAGE

Hi David, Your analogy doesn't quite fit. If GM bought Ford this means that GM was still alive. Both Gilbert and Lionel went bankrupt and were bought by General Mills which formed Fundimensions Toy Company. LTI and LLC have been toy companies with no Lionel original people. Thus LLC has just tried to keep a toy train line going. The corporate thought is there is a longer, bigger thread with the Lionel name than American Flyer. Slowly S Gauge Clubs are finding American Flyer and 3/16 scale people at shows and we are building a base of S Gauge/Scale operators but it is slow and American Models, S Helper Service, River Raisen and other new manufacturers are our best sources. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8399	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: Flyer in a cage

The implication in the GM (Lionel) buying out Ford (Flyer) analogy is that by shutting off the supply of Fords , the intensity of collecting and operating would increase and therefore the value of originals would increase. This is clearly happening with Flyer, as we have seen prices for original Gilbert pieces jump in recent years. This effect has been viewed negatively (particularly by those who view eBay as the driver of these price increases). But it's important to recognize that because of it's growing scarcity, Flyer and Flyer-like equipment is becoming more attractive to manufacturers. I have no doubt that the visibility of prices on eBay contributed to MTH's decision to reproduce the 785 coal loader (and more importantly, to all of us who are price sensitive, the MTH 785 will cost *far* less than a Gilbert original). In fact, smart manufacturers in the toy train industry may be monitoring prices on eBay and using it as a form of free market research. Of course, we'll have to wait and see what happens, but my opinion is that if the unsatisfied demand for Flyer gets big enough, more manufacturers will enter the market and we'll all be better off.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8400	From: John Denholm	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: S.I.T

Hi all; Well I really really Tried I went on that Outfit 3 Tymes trying to buy a Smoke in Tender Unit< I don't need the tender just the smoke unit? and I was Sniped twice last 3 min and then the auction was closed and I don't want to go to that level of Businees. as Tom mentioned there is three investigations going on right now. I was even on line at the right location and still could not place my Bid in tyme even though I had been on the Bid for three Days? Whatever well I return to my Brethern for some true and honest Help Please Please will you Folks look into your Parts Bin and see if you can Find a in Tender> Smoke Unit? just the Smoke unit is fine If you find one you can you can Spare please Email Me I Prepay by International Money Order so you don't have any Bank Surcharges and in U.S Fund including shipping of Course I would like to pay about 35.00 for the Unit plus Shipping. any help would truly be appreciated Thanks again for the listen I remain John Denholm jde@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8401	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: S.I.T. unit

I could be wrong about this, but would think a tender smoke unit would be worth rather more than $35. What did they go for on ebay? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8402	From: john foley	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: NASG Renewal

Hi Folks Thanks to Craig O'Connell you can get a head start on your NASG membership renewal. If your dues are due this June please click on address below. http://trainweb.com/nasg/application.html Thanks John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8403	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: 752 coal loader parts

I recently acquired several 752 coal loaders in various states of disrepair. Does anyone have a motor/drum assembly they would be willing to part with for a reasonable price? I could also use one of the trolley assemblies that carries the clamshell. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8404	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/9/2000
Subject: New S Scale People

I just visited my neighborhood hobby shop and they showed me the new MTH figures set. I just happened to have a scale ruler with me to buy some structural stuff. We checked the figures and they are perfect 1/64th scale. The set includes 12 figures, 7 seated and 5 standing, including 2 children. The set sells for 19.98 which comes up to a little over $1.50 each figure. The set is labeled as set #1 so we can hope there will be more in the future. Way to go Mike! I think this verifies comments Joe Haenn made on this list after talking with Mike at York. When MTH can make accessories in S that will sell to other scales he will do so. J. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8405	From: rosiep3@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Denver's Big Boy

There are only eight Big Boy's left in the United States, one of which is sitting in a city parking lot near the Platte River here in Denver. Last year about this time on a Sunday morning, the owner, Jack Forney, pulled it out of his museum, with the help of the Coor's switcher, and moved it down the center of the road on temporary track to it's present location. It was quite the sight, one that I was present to witness. Everyone held their breath when all 590 tons creaked out onto the street. I fully expected it to derail and tip over right before our eyes. But, that didn't happen, and now the homeless are squatting in it, along with the pigeons, and helping themselves to anything they can yank off. Forney, now under pressure from the city, needs to move it to his new museum on the other side of town. Estimated cost of the move: $600,000! Seems you can't roll 590 tons over sewer pipes and utility lines without worry of squeezing the juice out them. So, all those underground cavities along the route have to be beefed up. And, apparently old Big Boy is full of asbestos, which must be removed. Of the eight Big Boys left, only three are still capable of running. This is one of them. It's the largest machine produced that could be operated by one man. Here's a chance for all you rich retired train nuts to put your money where your mouth is. Send a check to The Big Boy Move, 4303 Brighton Blvd, Denver, CO 80216. Get poor Big Boy off the street. Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8406	From: Hannon	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: AF S.I.T Unit for $35???

Tom /John: $35 for a full-up S.I.T sounds like a really good price. Two years ago I inquired about the price of a replacement armature for a customer whose unit did not have one. The prices ranged from $35 to $40 for the armature alone (without tradein). I don't know what the current price is. Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8407	From: John Denholm	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 626

Hi Tom; Easy does it I had to start somewhere as the Prices go any where s from 33.00 up to 60.00 dependant upon the extras that are in the sale like a 322 Shell or a tender complete their was a complete 322 and SIT that just sold for 80.00 dollars But as I live up her in No man's Land the Dollar exchange really Kills us for instance the 80.00 U.S after all Taxes, and Shipping ,conversion, would cost me about 120.00 CDN when all I need is a Smoke unit ? I do not want to have to pay 60 or 70 dollars just for That unit.hope this enlighten s you on the costs and why I started my price at 35.00 as I had to start somewhere John S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Porsche Boxter. You and a friend. Nine dream days from > Napa Valley to Beverly Hills. Provided by CarsDirect.com. > Click to enter. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3993/11/_/494531/_/957946937/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Western Maryland Decals > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > 2. FLYER IN A CAGE > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > 3. Flyer in a cage > From: "scott griggs" <sgriggs@...> > 4. S.I.T <Smoke Unit only> > From: "John Denholm" <jde@...> > 5. S.I.T. unit > From: jarcho@... > 6. NASG Renewal > From: "john foley" <foley164@...> > 7. 752 coal loader parts > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > 8. New S Scale People > From: "Alice S. Beachy" <abeachy@...> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 05:16:46 -0400 > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > Subject: Re: Western Maryland Decals > > Dear Joe, > Try John Hall for the hoppers. E-mail enclosed. > Don T. > > judy messinger wrote: > > > Does anyone out there in "S" Land know of a source for Western Maryland > > decals for tenders and cars? > > > > I've looked for a source, but haven't as yet found anything. > > > > I have several 640 hoppers and a tender that I would like to repaint for my > > Flyer set. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help someone might offer. > > > > Joe Messinger > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/11/_/494531/_/957839878/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & > NAHX Polychloborate cars > are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 06:55:12 -0400 > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Subject: FLYER IN A CAGE > > Hi David, > > Your analogy doesn't quite fit. If GM bought Ford this > means that GM was still alive. Both Gilbert and Lionel went > bankrupt and were bought by General Mills which formed > Fundimensions Toy Company. LTI and LLC have been > toy companies with no Lionel original people. Thus LLC > has just tried to keep a toy train line going. The corporate > > thought is there is a longer, bigger thread with the Lionel > name than American Flyer. Slowly S Gauge Clubs are finding > American Flyer and 3/16 scale people at shows and we > are building a base of S Gauge/Scale operators but it is > slow and American Models, S Helper Service, River Raisen > and other new manufacturers are our best sources. > > Staying on the NPSG branchline > of NASG track, Glenn > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:27:53 -0000 > From: "scott griggs" <sgriggs@...> > Subject: Flyer in a cage > > The implication in the GM (Lionel) buying out Ford (Flyer) analogy is > that by shutting off the supply of Fords , the intensity of > collecting > and operating would increase and therefore the value of originals > would increase. This is clearly happening with Flyer, as we have > seen > prices for original Gilbert pieces jump in recent years. This effect > has been viewed negatively (particularly by those who view eBay as > the > driver of these price increases). But it's important to recognize > that because of it's growing scarcity, Flyer and Flyer-like equipment > is becoming more attractive to manufacturers. I have no doubt that > the visibility of prices on eBay contributed to MTH's decision to > reproduce the 785 coal loader (and more importantly, to all of us who > are price sensitive, the MTH 785 will cost *far* less than a Gilbert > original). In fact, smart manufacturers in the toy train industry > may > be monitoring prices on eBay and using it as a form of free market > research. > > Of course, we'll have to wait and see what happens, but my opinion is > that if the unsatisfied demand for Flyer gets big enough, more > manufacturers will enter the market and we'll all be better off. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 12:28:51 -0000 > From: "John Denholm" <jde@...> > Subject: S.I.T <Smoke Unit only> > > Hi all; > Well I really really Tried I went on that Outfit 3 Tymes trying to > buy a Smoke in Tender Unit< > I don't need the tender just the > smoke unit? and I was Sniped twice last 3 min and then the auction > was closed and I don't want to go to that level of Businees. > as Tom mentioned there is three investigations going on right now. > I was even on line at the right location and still could > not place my Bid in tyme even though I had been on the Bid for three > Days? > Whatever well I return to my Brethern for some true and honest > Help Please Please will you Folks look into your Parts Bin and see > if you can Find a in Tender> Smoke Unit? just the Smoke unit is fine > If you find one you can you can > Spare please Email Me > I Prepay by International Money Order > so you don't have any Bank Surcharges and in U.S Fund including > shipping of Course I would like to pay about 35.00 for the Unit > plus Shipping. > any help would truly be appreciated Thanks again for the listen I > remain John Denholm > jde@... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:37:36 -0400 (EDT) > From: jarcho@... > Subject: S.I.T. unit > > I could be wrong about this, but would think a tender smoke unit would be > worth rather more than $35. What did they go for on ebay? > > Tom Jarcho > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 06:45:30 -0400 > From: "john foley" <foley164@...> > Subject: NASG Renewal > > Hi Folks > > Thanks to Craig O'Connell you can get a head start on your NASG membership renewal. > If your dues are due this June please click on address below. > > http://trainweb.com/nasg/application.html > > Thanks > John Foley > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 11:56:11 -0600 > From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> > Subject: 752 coal loader parts > > I recently acquired several 752 coal loaders in various states of > disrepair. Does anyone have a motor/drum assembly they would be willing > to part with for a reasonable price? I could also use one of the > trolley assemblies that carries the clamshell. > > Roger Petrella > Franktown, CO > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:58:21 -0400 > From: "Alice S. Beachy" <abeachy@...> > Subject: New S Scale People > > I just visited my neighborhood hobby shop and they showed me the new MTH figures set. I just happened to have a scale ruler with me to buy some structural stuff. We checked the figures and they are perfect 1/64th scale. The set includes 12 figures, 7 seated and 5 standing, including 2 children. The set sells for 19.98 which comes up to a little over $1.50 each figure. The set is labeled as set #1 so we can hope there will be more in the future. Way to go Mike! > > I think this verifies comments Joe Haenn made on this list after talking with Mike at York. When MTH can make accessories in S that will sell to other scales he will do so. > > J. Wayne Beachy > Virginia Central Division > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8408	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: 172 rail

I have to go to Chicago next week to help my mother move. I have some 172 rail and turn outs that have never been used. This rail is AF size brass on fiber ties. Contact me off line if interested. Might consider selling some AF swithes as well. Trying to get all my train in Nashville.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8409	From: Joseph H Mcleish	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: s track

I am looking for some s track for my 1955 AF train. Could some one plase send me an email of who might have some extra for sale. Thank you- Joe Mcleish email mcleish_j@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8410	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SIT

> I could be wrong about this, but would think a tender smoke unit would be > worth rather more than $35. What did they go for on ebay? > I rarely have these available (and none right now, John!), but when I do, they are $50 minimum..........and I think that's quite reasonable for a complete unit! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8411	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH

> We checked the figures and they are perfect 1/64th scale. As I've noted before, the MTH O-scale items are 75% of "O"............75% of 1/48 scale = 1/60 scale ! So there we are ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8412	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer in a cage

driver of these price increases). But it's important to recognize > that because of it's growing scarcity, Flyer and Flyer-like equipment > is becoming more attractive to manufacturers. I have no doubt that > the visibility of prices on eBay contributed to MTH's decision to > reproduce the 785 coal loader (and more importantly, to all of us who > are price sensitive, the MTH 785 will cost *far* less than a Gilbert > original). In fact, smart manufacturers in the toy train industry > may > be monitoring prices on eBay and using it as a form of free market > But it is not flyer Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8413	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR

A note to let you know that a new event in the railway collectors' calendar is being held in a few weeks time. It is the Spring King's Cross Railway Book Fair to be held at Keen House, the headquarters of the Model Railway Club (http://www.themodelrailwayclub.org/index.html), at 4, Calshot Street, London, N1, on Saturday 3rd June 2000 between 11:00 and 15:30. This event follows on from the success of the Autumn King's Cross Railway Book Fairs held in November for the past three years. Admission is just £1 and refreshments will be available all day from the Club's licensed bar. Further details are available from me direct. Mark P. Baker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8414	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: it is not flyer

Depending on how much of a purist you are, I suppose you could say that Flyer will *never* be made again, regardless of who controls the brand name and associated trademarks. There are those who don't view 1970- Lionel as "real Lionel". But even if you lean toward the view that the only real Flyer was that made by A.C. Gilbert, the availability of reproduction accessories and rolling stock (i.e. MTH 785, Lionel NH electric, Pony Express set, etc.) will benefit you. The reproductions will siphon those of us who want an item but don't particularly care who made it out of the market for the originals and their price will decrease (or at least not increase as much as they would otherwise). Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8415	From: Bob Wight	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Thanks Guys

Thanks everyone for the wonderfull year I had in my hobby. Because of this affiliation and all the wonderfull help I have received has greatly improved my hobby. I have also have made some great friends at the same time. The reason for this letter is that I'm going up to northern minnesota fishing untill Sept. so i have put my list on web only and will be off any countact till Sept. were I will start my trains again. Thanks guys for a great season. Happy Railroading Bob Wight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8416	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Thanks Guys

Hmm, now there's a new reason why trains don't sell in the summer!! <G> WE should all be here for your fall train fix, and HEY, Bob'll be desperate for anything trains by then, so let's save our "junk" stuff to sell him!! Have a safe time, Bob! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8417	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: it is not flyer

Personally, I'll take a quality reproduction over a beat-up, high priced original any day. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8418	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: it is not flyer

Amen! Rich Gajnak wrote: > > Personally, I'll take a quality reproduction over a beat-up, high priced > original any day. > > Be seeing you... > Rich G. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/11/_/494531/_/958065617/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8419	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)

I myself started out with AF by AC. Anymore, the cost for junk is as much as the cost of the new products on the market. If the price is right, and the model is of something that catches my fancy, I'll buy it. I don't collect any particular road name or era. Recently, I picked up a Baldwin S-12 by American Models becuase there was a great price on it. It was in the Southern paint scheme. Pretty colors caught my wifes eye, which meant I had her approval to buy it , of course. My point is, if it runs good, looks good and the wife approves, I'll buy it! AC or AF just doesn't matter anymore!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8420	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 628

In a message dated 05/12/2000 5:09:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << > Personally, I'll take a quality reproduction over a beat-up, high priced > original any day. > > Be seeing you... > Rich G. > >> The great thing about a group like this is all the different point of views. None are necessarily right or wrong, just different. In my case, there's something special about searching for, finding, and running original Gilbert American Flyer. Over the years, I've had very little difficulty finding numerous vintage Gilbert cars in (or near) excellent condition for about the same price as the currently made S gauge stuff. It's whatever you like--just have fun! Frank Leskovitz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8421	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: NPSG APRIL NEWSLETTER

Please visit the North Penn S Gaugers latest newsletter at: http://members.xoom.com/northpenn_s/main.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn, NASG Secretary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8422	From: john foley	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: TRAINMASTER!!

----- Original Message ----- From: john foley Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: TRAINMASTER!! Hi Folks I just had a phone conversation with a certain manufacturer [ who I can't name yet] he told me that a TRAINMASTER is in the works. I was told its pretty well a done deal. It will be produced in Hirail & Scale. So please have patience and it will be announced soon. See the S-list works great. John Foley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8423	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: subscribe

Please add me back to the list. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8424	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: TRIANMASTER

Is it MTH??? Today I was talking with the local Hobby Shop, who just came back from the MTH Dealer show...All he said, is next year he will expand into "s"....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8425	From: Richard	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER

Just checked out the MTH site..and loa nd behold they have a Trainmaster in their Premier range for O..so they have all the plans etc..half the work is done...my money is on MTH coming into S to usurp the Flyer market. Someones has been listening all this time...and just think they have AMD 103's too hmmm!! ..actually they have lots of things :-)))) Things could become very intersing in the land of 1:64 cheers >:~)) Richard ROBERT ALLEN CONNER wrote: > > Is it MTH??? Today I was talking with the local Hobby Shop, who just > came back from the MTH Dealer show...All he said, is next year he will > expand into "s".... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/11/_/494531/_/958177775/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8426	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER

Richard wrote: Whitch one are they doing???? There are three versions Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8427	From: Richard	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER

LArry et all... go to http://204.156.4.220/catalog/DataForm2ResultList1.asp PIX are that great size or resolution wise but its an indication of their "O" effort..looks pretty fair :-)) Obviously not the SP version..unsure as to which is used...but even an SP'er could use the eastern version as starting point. cheers >:~)) Richard lawrence jackman wrote: > > Richard wrote: > > Whitch one are they doing???? There are three versions > Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8428	From: James B. Miller	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: TRAINMASTER

I seem to remember reading several months ago, that Greenbrier Models' next project was to be a Trainmaster. That would have been in either the NASG DISPATCH or BTS' newsletter -- ???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8429	From: James B. Miller	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: RS1

Hey Don T. How many lead wheels - how many drivers does this thing have? > If only you guys knew, I received a fax today from Hong Kong the drawings will be finished next week for a project we have been working on for 2 years. They are not a SD-70, SD-40-2

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8430	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TRIANMASTER

Richard wrote: > LArry et all... > > I went to the web sight. The model they have done is the regular model. The > other two were SP and Wabash. The one they show is all the others Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8431	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF S.I.T Unit for $35???

I am sure I just got a really, good price about two years ago. I paid $15.00 each for two SIT units to repair a 322 Hudson I got real cheap minus the SIT unit. I had to buy two, because the first had a bad armature. The second had a smashed fill pipe. They were obtained from Nor Cal Trains and Trucks, Don Matthies. He had just bought up a stock of junk flyer for parts and these were among them. Probably just good timing. He can be reached at Norcaltt@... By the way, there may be different versions of the unit. The one I eventually got working had a fill spout that seems short for the Hudson, as it barely clears the coal pile. I think perhaps it was designed for the 0-8-0. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Hannon <hannon@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 3:50 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AF S.I.T Unit for $35??? > Tom /John: > > $35 for a full-up S.I.T sounds like a really good price. > > Two years ago I inquired about the price of a replacement > armature for a customer whose unit did not have one. The > prices ranged from $35 to $40 for the armature alone (without > tradein). I don't know what the current price is. > > Bob Hannon > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > FREE shipping, 30-Day No Question Returns, daily giveaways > and much, much more at zZounds.com. Your music gear superstore! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3736/11/_/494531/_/957955849/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8432	From: William H Trefts	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: S.I.T. Unit

Greetings, I've been on the road for a week and I'm just getting caught up on the messages. John Denholm is/was looking for a smoke unit for his tender and keeps getting sniped on eBay. (Familiar feeling, but a whole 'nother subject.) John, the units are out there, but probably scarce. I bought one at a local swap meet for $30 this past spring. Hope to put it in a 322 that was missing the unit. Keep digging in those parts boxes! Who knows what else may turn up? Enjoy the hunting! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8433	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Rails USA dot com

Below is a link that I was refered to review. Looks to be a very good site to find railroad related stuff on. http://www.RailsUSA.com/index2.shtml -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8434	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8435	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Wheel replacement

I just purchased the Gription steam replacement tires for the first 4-6-2 that AM put out. Has anyone replaced the old drive wheels with these, and are there any tips that might help me avoid some of the pitfalls mentioned in the written directions (which has increased my excessive conservatism even more)? Or some clarifying comments you might have noted when you replaced the wheels. For example, the first instruction says to "Rotate the flywheel to position drive rod to the bottom of travel, unscrew the front connecting rod from front driver with a 3/16th" socket. Do the same on the other side." Well, the screw holes for the rods on the new wheels are not aligned, so that if one is at the bottom of travel, the other will be somewhere above that. Then they say to do the same for the other side. I assume that is just to unscrew the front connecting rod, and not to rotate the flywheel after taking off the rod from the first side. Little things like that. Tx for any help, comments, etc. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8436	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 14, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8437	From: John Craft	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: American Models 2 Bay Hopper Cars

OK, My head is about to explode. I am trying to find out what the prototype is for the AM 2 Bay ribbed hopper car. While I can find several with similar appearance I can find none that match the overall dimensions. So: 1. Is there one? 2. When was it made? 3. How long did they last? Thank You. John Craft, Pulling out one S scale hair at a time. I will now hit the medication cabinet. P.S.: Don, I want you to know that my vote for the modern engine is the NKP Berkshire. Node, Jim & Dan are doing that so do the USRA 2-6-6-2.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8438	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] American Models 2 Bay Hopper Cars

John Craft wrote: > OK, My head is about to explode. > > I am trying to find out what the prototype is for the AM 2 Bay ribbed hopper > car. > probably isn't one. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8439	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: Wheel replacement

Rance asked: >Has anyone replaced the old drive wheels with >Gription steam replacement tires for the first >4-6-2 that AM put out, and are there any tips that might help me avoid some of the >pitfalls mentioned in the written directions. Rance: I was unaware that tires were available and no, I have not done these, however . . . (nice word, "however". It means I'm going to dispense advice freely anyway.) What the directions are setting up is the eventual quartering of the drivers. Both sets of drive rods (left and right) are not in the same part of the wheel motion together. One lags the other by a quarter turn or so. The reason they want you to rotate the rods to a given position is so that you will know into what position to install the new drivers. Once you have dropped the rods on one side of the locomotive to bottom dead center, don't turn the flywheel again. You are done positioning and are ready for the disassembly phase. Are you replacing all the drivers? If at all possible, it would be good to replace each driver individually, before removing the others, so you can check positions. This way you cannot get too far off as just one shaft spline of rotation will make a discernible difference in tie-rod hole placement. My advice is general only. I'm sure others have specific contributions regarding this particular operation. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8440	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: Trainmaster

Richard Snook wrote: > PIX are that great size or resolution wise but its an indication of their "O" > effort..looks pretty fair :-)) Don't forget, the MTH Trainmaster is more or less a reproduction of the Lionel Trainmaster. The diework on the Trainmaster was good enough, if not great, for 40+ years ago, but is dated by today's standards. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8441	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: PS-2 Hopper

Prototypes? Ha! I love Hi-rail and Tinplate. Don't need prototypes for my fun!!! Gotta Love it! Chris B

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8442	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Question: How to get my 293 to smoke better?

Hello all: I have a very quick question concerning the smoke unit in my old original Gilbert 293 Pacific. The engine runs and chugs great. It smokes great, too...for the first two minutes' worth of operation. Then, the smoke fades away to nothing after about another two minutes. I have guessed this doesn't concern anything with the unit running out of fluid really quickly because if I let the engine sit for an hour or so and then restart it, it smokes like gangbusters again for that first two minutes. Does anyone have anything to suggest for this problem? Regards, Frederick P. Kopetz -----Freddo at fkopetz@...---------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8443	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: pike-master transformer

i'm trying to set up my basic flyer ste, and i have a pike-master transformer. i need the nuts to hold down the wire connections. any idea where i can get 'em? also, how do you control the speed of the train (once i get it running) with no speed knobs? thanks. dan

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8444	From: FKopetz@aol.com	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] pike-master transformer

Hello: Here's my two cents' worth on this one, as this is going on a vague memory. I once had a Gilbert Auto-Rama slot racing set. It came with a power pack that sounds like what you have, marked "Pike-Master Transformer" (confusing, huh...since it had nothing to do with Pike-Master S gauge trains.) If memory serves me correctly, if you have something like that, with a gold case, and just two terminals and no speed control of any sort on it, you have this power pack intended for slot cars, not trains. As part of the race set, it came with two speed controls. Unfortunately, unless you can get your hands on a separate speed control unit, like a rheostat, it won't do you much good in running trains. If you have a regular AF transformer with a speed control built in, you could use this pack to power accessories on your layout. By the way...for the fellow (whose name I can't recall at the moment) who sent me advice on the 293 smoke unit...thanks for the advice! Looks like I will have to order some parts (like a wick for the 293 and a new element and red smoke pipe for my Atlantic, also with a non-working smoke unit....) soon from Mr. Peck or a similar parts supplier. Best wishes to all..... Frederick P. Kopetz -----Freddo at fkopetz@...---------

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8445	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Question: How to get my 293 to smoke better?

Your wick is probably not porous enough to keep up with the heating element. Solution - replace wick, which means you replace the element too because you lose it when you disassemble. There is a remote possibility you can replace the wick only if you can extract the old wick from the heating element without breaking the element, which may be impossible. I have an Atlantic that I replaced the element with a Lionel element that just lays on the wick rather than wrapping around it. It turned out to be a good smoker set up that way. FKopetz@... wrote: > > Hello all: > > I have a very quick question concerning the smoke unit in my old original > Gilbert 293 Pacific. > > The engine runs and chugs great. It smokes great, too...for the first two > minutes' worth of operation. Then, the smoke fades away to nothing after > about another two minutes. I have guessed this doesn't concern anything with > the unit running out of fluid really quickly because if I let the engine sit > for an hour or so and then restart it, it smokes like gangbusters again for > that first two minutes. > > Does anyone have anything to suggest for this problem? > > Regards, > > Frederick P. Kopetz > > -----Freddo at fkopetz@...--------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/3020/4/_/494531/_/958422424/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8446	From: M.McConnell	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: So THAT's a Trainmaster

The announcement about the possible release of the FM Trainmaster in S sounds like a nice addition to the S market. Unfortunately, I really am not familiar with this engine, so I went on a little search. I found these WEB pages that have some images in several paint schemes, plus the "users" manual for the Trainmaster. Maybe it will help someone else decide if they will want their very own Trainmaster. http://www.morscher.com/rr/1996/19960722_05.jpg http://www.gencotrains.com/MTH2000_Vol2.htm http://www.mthtrains.com/catalogs/1999_vol2/premier/diesel/2022021.htm http://gelwood.railfan.net/manual/fm-tm-op.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8447	From: SABraker@webtv.net	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Pickup Assembly for Docksider.

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on where I might locate a pick-up assembly for a Docksider 21158 locomotive. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank-you in advance, Susan Braker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8448	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/15/2000
Subject: Pickup Assembly for Docksider

Susan: It is often possible to repair a broken pickup assembly. Usually the plastic posts are broken off. You can create new ones by placing a small piece of a plastic "Pick Up Stick" (remember those?) in an electric drill and turning it down lathe fashion with a file to the shape of the original post. Leave a little extra length on the fat end. Drill a hole the same diameter as the pickup stick into the assembly and glue the new part in place. hope this descriotion is clear enoughj for you. Words sorta fail me tonite. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8449	From: Hannon	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: #293 Smoke Unit Repair

Fred: The symptoms you described could be caused by several things, among them: 1. A really gunked up smoke unit; or, 2. The soldering joints going down into the housing are bad; or, 3. The wick is burned inside the unit, specifically where the heating filament is wound around the wick, leaving only a few strands in contact with the heating filament. You can probably get a replacement kit (filament and wick) from: Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... Bob Hannon

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8450	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pickup (sticks) assembly

Okay Tom, sad to say I remember "Pick Up Sticks", but where do you get them? Or do you have a horde of them squirreled away until the value goes up? And no, I am not looking for any, just thought I'd ask. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8451	From: Bill Porter	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] pickup (sticks) assembly

Consider drink stir sticks as an alternative. They are free at some bars, coffee shops and motels, etc. Choose the solid ones over the tubes. If you are gentle, the plastic can be heated over a candle and then drawn to a smaller diameter. It may take a few tries, but, the things are free and a try takes just a minute or so. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Roger V. Petrella Jr. <rogerpjr@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: [S-Trains] pickup (sticks) assembly >Okay Tom, sad to say I remember "Pick Up Sticks", but where do you get >them? Or do you have a horde of them squirreled away until the value >goes up? And no, I am not looking for any, just thought I'd ask. > >Roger Petrella >Franktown, CO >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8452	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: smoke'n

As you were already advised, the wick is not longer doing its job. Most likely it has petrified with old smoke fluid left in it for years on end. I've found a couple hard as rock. So you get the benefit of the fluid most nearby the coil for a few minutes but the wick fails to feed it anymore fluid after that. Replacing the wick and coil is the best, most thorough, remedy. Done properly, you can get voluminous quantities of smoke. However, I've also revived some by first trying: 1) pour/spray some solvent down the stack into the unit and let it sit a few days, add smoke fluid, try it, and repeat if necessary. Solvents I've tried include LifeLike track cleaner, TV tuner cleaner, and paint thinner. The more volatile the solvent, the longer you want to wait before trying the unit so most of it has evaporated and doesn't ignite from the hot coil. 2) remove the wick from the chamber but still attached to the coil and fiber board, unfold the wick, lower it into a baby food jar full of solvent (LifeLike track cleaner is the least smelly, flammable), work the solvent into the wick, let it soak a couple of days, remove the wick from the jar, dry the wick, reinsert it into the chamber, wet it well with fresh fluid, reassemble your engine, and with a little luck, viola - - smoke'n! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8453	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: docksider repair

Replacement plastic panels are available. However, I had to slightly trim/modify the dimensions of the repro unit I recently bought with an Xacto and small file. The posts were not exactly the right diameter or length. Otherwise it all came together fine and now works great. The rivet that holds all the layers together is also available, but I used a short 5X56 bolt and nut instead. It works fine. The nut can be held in place by peening it in place, or use a small drop of ZapAGap. PS I repaired a 21155 that was missing a rear pickup shoe. I believe the 21158 has one forward pick up shoe on each side instead of two shoes per side like the 21155/56, but I still think replacement parts are available. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8454	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: So THAT's a Trainmaster

M.McConnell wrote: >I found the "users" manual for the Trainmaster. Very cool, Mike. I looked this over and finally got some explanations about general railroad practices that were a mystery to me. Thanks. Here it is again for anyone who missed it: http://gelwood.railfan.net/manual/fm-tm-op.html Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8455	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: New Items

Hi Gang, The American Flyer/Gilbert book page is now up although, I will be more adding titles shortly. I have also added a small list of Gilbert HO. We will see if this warrants a continued effort. Both items can be found by clicking on the appropriate blue buttons on the left hand side of the home page. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8456	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Arrival of the E.B.T. 0-6-0 Kits

Howdy Friends The loco shipment left New Zealand the other day, and it is due here tomorrow. As it goes with these things, that is a very stressful day as we leave in the late afternoon to drive to Cleveland, OH for the Spring S Spree! Ugh! IF the shipment arrives tomorrow, we will get them inspected and shipped out to you before we leave town. Otherwise, they will be here awaiting our return to work on Monday May 22. IF the shipment arrives tomorrow, would any of you prefer that we bring your loco to the Spring S Spree instead of shipping it? If so, please let us know immediately!!!! Our builder is hard at work finishing up the R-T-R locos, and promised to ship them before the end of this week. In his spare time, he is well along on the M&PA 2-8-0 patterns, so the wait for that one should not be as long as the 0-6-0. Thanks, Bill PS - We are taking the last two Silver Edition Coon Gap Sawmills, the ones with sound, to the Spree. -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8457	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pick up sticks

I confiscated my supply of pick up sticks from one of my kids, who insisted on using them as weapons. Presumably, you can find them in a toy store catering to young children. If you can't find them, (Evergreen styrene rod or Plastruct would do as well. However, the plastic in pick up sticks seems to be a little harder than Evergreen's.) They were up on the same high shelf as my repair stuff. One day I needed some plastic rod and there it was. While heating and stretching styrene is a very useful technique, it isn't appropriate for this Docksider repair job because a fairly precise shoulder must be formed in the replacement part. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8458	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: pick up sticks

Talking about pick up sticks reminds me of a story. Once I had a customer's SIT K-5 on the high shelf next to the confiscated pick up sticks. One night this loco fell off the shelf and fell straight down. The tip of the pilot went right through my big toe nail. After I had cut away the shards of toenail it left a hole about 1/2 inch in diameter. Talk about pain! The loco, thanks to this cushioned landing, was unhurt. They used to build 'em in those days! Anyway the moral of the story (I think) is : never repair trains in your bare feet. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8459	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: falling trains

Hmm, Tom's story reminded me of one I remember, with horror, still! My winter layout was all set up in cabin 14, on the tables I created just for it (about chest-high) and the mainline was elevated in the back (I don't remember why, maybe I just liked trestles!). Anyway, my distant cousins were visiting one day, so I was showing them my layout, and I left the control panel to go fix something. Well, my 336 freight was on the outside main, doing its thing, and one of my cousins decide to see "Toy Train Speed" and cranked my 18B throttle full open. Before I could do anything, it flew off the far corner curve, on the high trestle,and headed to the floor. Fortunately Cabin 14 had about two layers of linoleum with newspaper in between, and probably some dry rot too (we are talking 1923 California Cottages, built on tent platforms) so my baby made a nice "divot" in the floor, and survived!! Whew!! Now how to hidethis hole???? (hmm, guess were the bed went when I put the room back together in the spring??) I don't think I told Dad about that one either. Will be a fun story to tell him now! (OK, let's see, this was some 31 years ago--and cabin 14 is still there!--and two of my tables were still around until last year!). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8460	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Hoppers Panels

Who was it that sold panels to add to hoppers? I am adding ribs to a gondola and just remembered that someone sold hopper panels. I converted a Marx hopper to AF by adding a piece of plastic that had a hole at one end to mount to the bottom of the hopper. I added Pickmaster Trucks to a center hole and ACE coulplers to the other end. The hopper is the same size as the AF 3 bay hopper. Ir seemed to me I could not add Scale Trucks becasue of the size of the hopper doors. Has any one solved this problem? This would be a good canadate to add panels to, but do they exist on 3 bays. Why did hoppers have this panel style. Was it added on latter or did they come that way when new? Thanks Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8461	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: trainmaster

Sign me up for one. I always envied the kid down the block who had the orange and blue Jersey Central Lionel one back in '58. Now maybe I can have one too. Not too concerned if it will withstand scrutiny with a 20 power magnifying glass as to prototypical accuracy. It's just 'gotta be the coolest, baddest looking first generation freight diesel. Period. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8462	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: trainmaster correction

Glad I checked M. McConnell's links after I sent my previous message. Seems that Trainmasters could be equipped with steam generators and thus pull passenger trains. I still want one. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8463	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trainmaster correction

Don Abrams wrote: > Glad I checked M. McConnell's links after I sent my previous message. Seems > that Trainmasters could be equipped with steam generators and thus pull > passenger trains. I still want one. > Don > SP used them in that service Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8464	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] trainmaster

Don Abrams wrote: > Sign me up for one. I always envied the kid down the block who had the > orange and blue Jersey Central Lionel one back in '58. Now maybe I can have > one too. Not too concerned if it will withstand scrutiny with a 20 power > magnifying glass as to prototypical accuracy. It's just 'gotta be the > coolest, baddest looking first generation freight diesel. Period. > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/4/_/494531/_/958529450/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com I do not think of it as first generation. This the first of the second generation and way ahead of its time Also OP diesels were strange to RRs and faired badly in the maintenance dept. Larry

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8465	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 5/16/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe me from the S-Trains list until 5-30-2000. I will be on vacation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8466	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: A question

Ok all,..here's on for ya!! Just received a Flyer steam loco in the mail, I think it might be a 282, it has been re-numbered and some tender add ons and has been converted to knuckle couplers. {you might have seen it on eBay} Any way...it runs pretty good so far, after a little oiling and cleaning the tender wheels, HOWEVER,....the reverse unit was a little sticky {oh what a surprise!!}, so I popped off the tender shell a sprayed a little TV cleaner in there and it ran better. {Forgot to mention that it kept stopping through the curves} Went through the curves fine......BUT, every time I put the shell back on, it stops in the curves again!!! Is the weight from the shell causing it to wobble so the wheels aren't making contact right?? Will work on it again in the A.M......Just wanted to get a few second opinions! Also,....why is it that certain tender wheels, no matter how I scrub and buff and shine them up, I STILL get a lot of arcing?? {SP?} Sparks!! There, I can spell that!!! Thanks, Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8467	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Trip to Virginia

In one week I will be flying to DC to attend a 2 day computer class (Wednesday 5/24/00). If you live near Vienna or Tyson's Corner Virginia, and would like to get together please contact me 'off list'. Wednesday & Thursday night I will have some time. Friday night I fly home. Paul Yorke Indiantown Florida --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using WebMail by CyberGate. http://www.gate.net/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8468	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question

In a message dated 5/17/00 4:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, comic@... writes: << Went through the curves fine......BUT, every time I put the shell back on, it stops in the curves again!!! Is the weight from the shell causing it to wobble so the wheels aren't making contact right?? >> Check to see if the wiring harness physically interferes with the tender causing it to lift slightly on the curves. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8469	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question

Rick Not likely the wieght of the shell is doing the problem, usually any added weight helps track contact! Most probably the harness to the engine is the problem. Look to see if the shell shortens it so it lifts the tender, or look for a very small break, so when the wire flexes, it looses contact momentarily. Had one of these drive me buggy for a bit on one engine. Ran fine except on one curve! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8470	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: more than you probably want to know about FM Train Masters

Message: 14 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:39:17 -0400 From: "Don Abrams" <donabrams@...> Subject: trainmaster correction Glad I checked M. McConnell's links after I sent my previous message. Seems that Trainmasters could be equipped with steam generators and thus pull passenger trains. I still want one. Don To which Paul Schneider replies: Off the top of my tiny Canadian head, these are the railroads that owned Train Masters: Central New Jersey Pennsy Erie Lackawanna (purchased by DL&W) Reading Canadian National Canadian Pacific Wabash (later acquired by Norfolk & Western and painted as such) Virginian (later acquired by Norfolk & Western and painted as such) Southern Pacific Southern As someone else mentioned, the TM's were used in commute service on SP (some of the last FMs to operate in the U.S). I've also seen photos of TM's in passenger service on the Reading and CNJ. Some former Wabash TMs were rebuilt with Alco 251 diesel engines; later, N&W chose to re-use some TM trucks under a handful of six motor Alco C630s. All TMs were high short mood diesels. As a minor point, the units are known as "Train Masters" (two words). In the early 1960s Illinois Central toyed with the idea of buying something like 100 Train Masters. The order fell through due to internal problems at Fairbanks Morse (later Colt Industries). The last U.S. railroads to operate TM's were SP and N&W. Chicago & North Western, Milwaukee Road, Tennessee Valley Authority and Alcoa owned so-called "Junior Train Masters," the 1,600 horsepower (and slightly shorter) "kid brother" to the 2,400 h.p. Train Master. Mexico's Chihuahau Pacifico (CH-P) bought at least one used Trains Masters from Erie Lackawanna in the 1970s, as I recall. Sadly, only one FM Train Master survives, a Canadian Pacific unit (built by FM licensee Canadian Locomotive Company). Larry J. is right about the Train Master being ahead of its time. Although TRAINS Magazine and other fans often point to EMD's 2,000 h.p. GP20 (introduced in 1959) as the first "second generation" diesel, the TM offered an additional 400 horsepower several years earlier. Although some railroads shied away from the FM opposed piston prime mover, it was embraced by other roads such as C&NW and Milwaukee (who owned buckets of FM switchers, too). The OP engine was hardly a stranger to ex-US Navy personnel who were well-acquainted with the design from World War II-era submarines and ships. As for me, I'll take two, one in C&NW and one in Milwaukee paint (the two roads pooled their big FMs on iron ore service in Upper Michigan). Paul Schneider Milwaukee, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8471	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: K-Line AF Flyer Repair Manual

Anyone on this list own a copy of the K-line Flyer Repair Manual or are familiar with it? I'm thinking about purchasing one. Just want to know if its worth having? Glenn Sarlitto Milwaukee, WI Badgerland S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8472	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Personal Sacrifices for Flyer

Wayne Beachy once told us a tough one to beat. I think it goes something like this. When Wayne was a kid and after much badgering, his Dad worked secretly to set up a Flyer layout in his grandmother's basement as a Christmas gift. On Christmas Eve, his Dad went to bring the layout upstairs for Christmas Day only to discover it wouldn't fit through the basement doorway. After cutting it in half, Dad finally got it set up upstairs. Wayne was so excited to see that train set the next morning he nearly flew in his stocking feet across his grandmother's kitchen floor, a freshly polished floor. Unfortunately his two front teeth lead the way right into the platform plywood .... OUCH! Jim Knight has one about Christmas train pain too - - link to KC conversion, but I'll leave that one up to him. Better add steel tip shoes, and a face shield to that engineer's cap on your list of appropriate toy train attire. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8473	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 626

- Greeting'S - Certainly there is a very fine but undisclosed reason why John Denholm included Digest Number 626 with his commentary on SIT units. As the reason is not obvious to me, tho I am certain it should be, will John or someone else please enlighten me. Thanks. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8474	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: american flyer sales

Hi fellow S guagers, I have not bought much in the way of trains the last couple of years, my collection is quite large at the moment, but about 6 years ago when i joined my local ACG Train club, buying was at a fever pitch. Prices were at the Greenburg book level, and much higher for accessories. It was a blast to get a call from the club president back in those days, and hear him say he had just found a bunch of Flyer and that it was going up for sale. I would grab the check book and run to the car, drive for over an hour to get to his house and when i would arrive, within minutes 3 or 4 other club members would arrive and the fun would begin. All of us would end up taking home some nice pieces for our collections. Is that kind of climate still around the country. I would like to hear from you ACG guys, and tell me if the buying climate is still hot. I know in our local area, things have slowed, and now the Pres can call us up and no one bothers to drive over. Also, has the thought ever crossed your mind of selling your collection? If you were to, how would you go about it. 1. Sell one or two pieces a time for full book value at local shows, taking years to sell it off. 2. Put the whole collection up for sale for 20% off of book 3. Give John Heck, or Ron Leventon a call to come get it all for whatever they pay (my guess is 50-60% of value). Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8475	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] K-Line AF Flyer Repair Manual

In a message dated 5/17/00 11:10:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valspec@... writes: << Anyone on this list own a copy of the K-line Flyer Repair Manual or are familiar with it? I'm thinking about purchasing one. Just want to know if its worth having? >> Yes. I have found it to be helpful, and they are not very expensive. If the book helps you to avoid one point of grief, it probably will have paid for itself. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8476	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question

Had that problem with a wire harness from tender to loco that was too stiff and lifted the tender wheels on curves. Try reeforming the wires some. If it's been rewired with too stiff a wire or if the wire insulation has embrittled with age you could need to rewire. You can usually find this by putting the everse unit in neutral and pushing and pulling the engine (with wheels locked) very slowly through the curve. Or you can run it at a creeping speed through the curve and watch the tender wheels to see what they do when the unit trips. Sparking- my best solution is to place a couple of drops of smoke fluid on the rails after cleaning the rails. This creates a fine film that the wheel's weight presses through but prevents oxygen from getting into the contact zone. After while it gets gunky and you do the procedure again when needed. After a many repeats of this as needed you'll find the rails stay clean enough for a very long time. Rick Evans wrote: > > Ok all,..here's on for ya!! > Just received a Flyer steam loco in the mail, I think it might be a 282, > it has been re-numbered and some tender add ons and has been > converted to knuckle couplers. {you might have seen it on eBay} > > Any way...it runs pretty good so far, after a little oiling and cleaning the tender wheels, > HOWEVER,....the reverse unit was a little sticky {oh what a surprise!!}, so I popped off > the tender shell a sprayed a little TV cleaner in there and it ran better. {Forgot to mention > that it kept stopping through the curves} > Went through the curves fine......BUT, every time I put the shell back on, it stops in > the curves again!!! Is the weight from the shell causing it to wobble so the wheels aren't > making contact right?? > > Will work on it again in the A.M......Just wanted to get a few second opinions! > Also,....why is it that certain tender wheels, no matter how I scrub and buff and shine them up, > I STILL get a lot of arcing?? {SP?} Sparks!! There, I can spell that!!! > Thanks, Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > @Backup- Protect and Access your data any time, any where on the net. > Try @Backup FREE and recieve 300 points from mypoints.com Install now: > http://click.egroups.com/1/2345/4/_/494531/_/958550447/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8477	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: 768 Oil Depot

Can someone tell me what the action would be for a 768 Oil Depot. Since all American Flyer 700 numbers are for action cars & assecories, what does the oil depot do? I have not found any explainations in any of my Flyer manuals. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8478	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: 768 oil depot

The only action on the oil depot is that you can turn the spout to simulate filling a tank truck. Thrilling, huh? TJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8479	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A question

--- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > Went through the curves fine......BUT, every time I put the shell > back on, it stops in the curves again!!! Is the weight from the shell causing it to wobble so the wheels aren't making contact right?? I had a tender that had wornout washers on the rivets that fastened the trucks to the tender shell, which caused the trucks to wobble excessively and when the tender shell was in place the added weight caused the tender to flop to the outside in the curves, lifting the inside wheels off the track. Replacing the rivets and washers cured the problem. The wiring harness could also be pulling up on the shell; to check it place the engine and tender on a flat surface with the tender on an angle and pull the engine and see if the tender wheels lift up. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8480	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Smoker dies

In a message dated 5/16/00 4:49:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > The engine runs and chugs great. It smokes great, too...for the first two > minutes' worth of operation. Then, the smoke fades away to nothing after > about another two minutes This indicates a very hard wick, which won't soak fluid through it fast enough. When first starting it, there is fluid present at the element, but once it is vaporized, more fluid can't get there fast enough. Replacement wicks are $2 each. Instructions for replacement can be found on our website. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8481	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Docksider pickups

In a message dated 5/16/00 4:49:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > I was wondering if anyone has any ideas on where I might locate a > pick-up assembly for a Docksider 21158 locomotive. > We have 'em. Which parts of it do you need? Just the shoes, or entire base assembly???? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8482	From: judy messinger	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: repainting locos

Does anyone know of a primer that will keep the paint on a Flyer boiler shell? Maybe a special paint? The zinc content in the die cast metal causes the problem. Years ago, I used a primer from Sherwin-Williams called "XIM" that worked well at keeping paint on galvanized metal which contains a good deal of zinc. It was a clear, thin primer which would have been great for loco repainting but, unfortunately, S-W tells me it's no longer offered. The primer or prep. for galvanized that I can find now is way too heavy. Covers up allot of detailing. I have had some success by immersing the shell in a vinegar bath before painting but it's not great. Just wondered if anyone had a suggestion. Thanks, in advance, for any help someone might offer. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8483	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: repainting locos

Joe: You shouldn't need to use any primer when repainting locos. Gilbert didn't. Primer just obscures details. If the metal is clean, any good oil based paint or lacquer should stick. Wash the boiler etc in dish detergent and water, dry thoroughly. Wipe it well with lacquer thinner on a rag in a well ventilated place or outdoors. If the metal has been exposed to the air for a long period and an oxide shield has formed, you can lightly wire brush the metal with a very fine wire brush. But this should not be necessary in most cases. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8484	From: M.McConnell	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Club Activities

During the Memorial Day weekend (May 27-29) the Steamtown National Historic Site near Scranton, PA will be hosting a special salute to America's Armed Forces. In addition to the trains, there will be a huge collection on display of many types of WWII equipment, vehicles, planes and re-enactors in full dress. The South Jersey S Gaugers will be repeating our last years appearance and participate by displaying our club sectional layout in the roundhouse. We will also honor our Armed Forces by re-decorating our layout in a WWII theme featuring: troop trains, equipment transport trains, military camps, buildings and accessories. If anyone will be in the area, stop by and pay us a visit! This promises to be a fun and enjoyable weekend, and we'd like to share it with as many S gaugers as possible. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8485	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: Answers to a question

Thanks everyone!! This loco appears {well, at least to me, correct me if I'm wrong!} to be re-wired with rainbow wire. It did look a little tight but didn't seem to be the problem,{lifting the tender}, but changing the angle of one of the four wires in the plug seems to have done the trick. Still would like more input on the arcing problem. Why do some wheels arc more then others on the same track, no matter how much I clean 'em? Now if I can get the smoke unit to work, I'll be set! Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8486	From: The Reis's	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] american flyer sales

I think the Northwest (Seattle) area here has slowed a lot in sales of Gilbert flyer. Lionel Flyer is much worse. About 9 - 10 years ago it was just as you say very hot sales of most anything. Now it is very difficult to sell much at the TCA meets and there are not near as many local train swap meets. I had those thoughts about 5 years ago and indeed started thinning my flyer at that time starting with the Lionel flyer. I sold it at TCA meets and local Swap meets a piece at a time but the best deals were trading a number of my items for an accessory or some such I wanted. It was amazing what Flyer cars I traded for SHS cars, AM engines, etc. I thinned out to about 20 percent of what I had over 5 years and now don't have to worry about those carefully wrapped boxes all over the attic, under tables, on the layout, etc. I now have a manageable number of quality items, mostly SHS, AM and the like running on flyer track with flyer accessories and plasticville. The thing that got me selling was a work related trip to Boston in December 94 where I had extra time to go to the Marlboro, Massachusetts TCA meet where I could but Lionel flyer at giveaway prices. Engines for under $100, cars for $15 from many vendors along with too much cheap Gilbert flyer to stuff in the suitcases I had. I guess it was a depressed area at the time but it got me thinking the prices were going to plummet. Any Lionel flyer car in Seattle is a tough sell, and just getting new price back is hard. The other thing that turned me off to more flyer was the high cost of repair parts. Many times it would cost more to get the repair parts than a engine was worth. I still really enjoy resurrecting a flyer Hudson or Alco PA from a disassembled box of junk but now the boxes of junk are out of my price range. From what I hear Leventon and others give about 40-45% of book. Don't quote me on this but I bet its not too far off and depends on number of bidders, locale, etc. Happy with a smaller collection / operation in Seattle. Eric Reis ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Broadhead To: S Trains Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: [S-Trains] american flyer sales Hi fellow S guagers, I have not bought much in the way of trains the last couple of years, my collection is quite large at the moment, but about 6 years ago when i joined my local ACG Train club, buying was at a fever pitch. Prices were at the Greenburg book level, and much higher for accessories. It was a blast to get a call from the club president back in those days, and hear him say he had just found a bunch of Flyer and that it was going up for sale. I would grab the check book and run to the car, drive for over an hour to get to his house and when i would arrive, within minutes 3 or 4 other club members would arrive and the fun would begin. All of us would end up taking home some nice pieces for our collections. Is that kind of climate still around the country. I would like to hear from you ACG guys, and tell me if the buying climate is still hot. I know in our local area, things have slowed, and now the Pres can call us up and no one bothers to drive over. Also, has the thought ever crossed your mind of selling your collection? If you were to, how would you go about it. 1. Sell one or two pieces a time for full book value at local shows, taking years to sell it off. 2. Put the whole collection up for sale for 20% off of book 3. Give John Heck, or Ron Leventon a call to come get it all for whatever they pay (my guess is 50-60% of value). Wayne Broadhead ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8487	From: robert_jio	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

please unsubscribe me.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8488	From: Bill Lane	Date: 5/17/2000
Subject: Autographed A C Gilbert Paradise Book on Ebay

Hi All, I have just listed an AUTOGRAPHED original edition copy of “The Man Who Lived In Paradise” on Ebay. This is a MUST have to complete you American Flyer collection! Please follow the link and happy bidding http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335476519 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335476519> Thank You Bill ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8489	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Trip to Dallas

I am going to make a trip to the Dallas-Ft. Worth area next week over Memorial Day weekend. Does anyone know of any hobby shops in the area that might carry post WWII American Flyer? Or is there a can't miss display of trains I should try to see? Thanks for any help the members may offer. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8490	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: american flyer sales

Wayne Broadhead wrote: > Also, has the thought ever crossed your mind of selling your collection? > If you were to, how would you go about it. > > 1. Sell one or two pieces a time for full book value at local shows, > taking years to sell it off. > 2. Put the whole collection up for sale for 20% off of book > 3. Give John Heck, or Ron Leventon a call to come get it all for > whatever they pay (my guess is 50-60% of value). If I were to sell my modest Flyer collection, I would go with option #3. I went this route when I sold my Lionel collection to a reputable dealer, and I was satisfied with what I received. With selling it off piecemeal, once your goodies are picked over, it can take an eternity to sell the less desirable stuff. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8491	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: K-line book, and sparking

The Complete Book on American Flyer by K-line is very good, but not absolutely complete. I highly recommend it, but don't expect it to meet all your needs. For examples, there aren't any diagrams for some of the latter five-digit engines like the 21004/5, 21130. The book cross references you to the 343 and 326 respectively, but you lose some important technical differences in the process. For lots of other AF items the book is indispensable. Perhaps the only reference with truly all the products addressed separately and in detail (i.e. an exploded diagram and parts list) would be an official Flyer shop manual/binder. I'd love to own one of those, but I've only seen a few of them for sale and they cost quite a lot. First ensure your rails are free of rust or gummy build up, then try wiping them with Wahls Clipper oil on a rag and then wipe them off gently with a dry cloth. I've found this helps reduce sparking considerably, but not completely eliminate it. I'm not sure there's anything you can use to do that. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8492	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: smoke'n

Regarding opening up smoke units without damaging the heating element. It is *sometimes* possible to do! First unsolder the lead wires to the unit at the unit top. If you have a desoldering tool, you can do the next step easier, but you can still do it without one. Clean all the solder you can off the soldering "tab" by heating it and either blowing off the solder while it's hot (watch where the hot sold goes!) or by brushing it off with a small wire brush, or cheap "acid" brush. You should then be able to see the heating element wire which is wrapped around the "tab." The trick is to coax the end of this wire out so you can unwind it off the tab. I usually use a cheap "jeweler's screwdriver" to pull on the wire wraps while still heating the "tab." If you un-soldering job is good, you won't need to do that, as solder does not stick to the wire. Once both wire ends are unwrapped, and the rivet holes they go through are clean of solder, you should be able to unscrew the top and lift it off without disturbing the innards. THEN it is possible to repair the wick, success varies with talent, wire condition, and just plain luck! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8493	From: David Dewey	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Answers to a question

Rick I don't know of any AF locos factory wired with rainbow wire that had the plug in the cab roof too. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, I just haven't seen one yet. The rainbow wire used was not the same as used on the switches, the color code is different, as is the flexibility factor. The "real" stuff is grey, green, Um, hmm, I forget, grey. I would recommend, if you don't have that color code type, to replace the wire with a new harness assembly. It's not TOO difficult, and your engine will function much better. Gotta get to work, later! S David D. Hi, I"m from the US Census. . .

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8494	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: DARN!

Hey gang, The bubble has burst! I gave it a whole year of my time, some of my best efforts, and about $100,000 of my savings. The bottom line is that I cannot support my family on a full time basis so.........beginning Monday, I go back to work. AmericanFlyerTrains.com will remain open on a part time basis. E-mails and calls will be returned as soon as time permits. I am still trying to expand the website (I just added the book page and the HO page)so we will still be playing with our S gauge toys; just not as much or as often. Just wanted to let my friends know so you don't wonder why I don't get back to you right away. (I will eventually). Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8495	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: DARN!

Hey gang, The bubble has burst! I gave it a whole year of my time, some of my best efforts, and about $100,000 of my savings. The bottom line is that I cannot support my family on a full time basis so.........beginning Monday, I go back to work. AmericanFlyerTrains.com will remain open on a part time basis. E-mails and calls will be returned as soon as time permits. I am still trying to expand the website (I just added the book page and the HO page)so we will still be playing with our S gauge toys; just not as much or as often. Just wanted to let my friends know so you don't wonder why I don't get back to you right away. (I will eventually). Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8496	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: E.B.T. 0-6-0 Kits

Howdy Friends The box arrived a couple of hours ago from New Zealand, and we have the kits ready to go to the post office on our way out of town to the Spring S Spree in Cleveland. Since we are getting a late start, we will be arriving in Cleveland sometime tomorrow afternoon, but we will be there! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8497	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] RE: Answers to a question

I'll repeat what I gave some else vis-a-vis wheel arcing. Some of it's the material. The porous sintered bronze wheels arc less than the shinier brass ones. Anyway, to desensitize the system a little try this: I put a drop of ssmoke fluid on each rail every 6 feet or so. When I think it's dirty and time to clean it I wipe it off and get black gunk on the rag. Then I clean it with a bright boy so the rail tops are shiny again. Then I reapply the drops of oil and the process starts all over again. Really seems like low maintenance. I've got some Flyer engines that I can't remember the last time I cleaned tender wheels on, and nothing seems too finicky. Rick {bAss-flyer} wrote: > > Thanks everyone!! > This loco appears {well, at least to me, correct me if I'm wrong!} > to be re-wired with rainbow wire. It did look a little tight but > didn't seem to be the problem,{lifting the tender}, but changing the > angle of one of the four wires in the plug seems to have done the > trick. > > Still would like more input on the arcing problem. Why do some wheels > arc more then others on the same track, no matter how much I clean > 'em? > > Now if I can get the smoke unit to work, I'll be set! > > Rick. > "Take a ride on the 'S' side!" > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4052/4/_/494531/_/958621656/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8498	From: Don Abrams	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: more answers

Regarding the tender trucks: 1) Remove the wheelsets and clean the copper/brass strip where the axles rub. Reform them for reasonable pressure against the axle. 2) Clean the axles 3) I find many tender trucks that are no longer 'square' whether sheet metal type or knuckles. They can have one axle that's higher than the other due to a twist in the sideframe. This affects conductivity a lot. 4) If it's a tin or plastic tender make sure the weight is present! 5) There can be oxidation/corrosion under the rivet. 6) Just an observation, but I think the brass pickup wheels were the best. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8499	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: more answers

You got to be kdding me! NEVER remove the wheelsets from a cast side flyer truck unless you absolutely have to! Removing them will usually weaken or damage the truck. What's the use of cleaning the truck if you wreck it in the process? Only reason to remove wheels is if a wheel or axle is bent or broken. In that case, first slide the (a) plastic wheel in toward the center of the axle so you have more play and then gently spread the sides to pop out the axle. Cleaning and straightening can be accomplished without removing the wheelsets. You can easily remove the wheelsets from a stamped metal link coupler truck without damaging it. But any Flyer truck with cast sides is vulnerable where the sideframes are joined to the truck's frame. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8500	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Please remove me from the list for now..thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8501	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: buys

Where can you buy AF items or atleast compatible ones without being outbid or gouged by collectors and dealers? (to use, not to put up on a shelf or re-sold)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8502	From: The Reis'	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Autographed A C Gilbert Paradise Book on Ebay

If you don't get the bid for Bill's signed edition send me a note as I have an excellent condition original copy with dust cover. My copy includes a picture (an actual photo) of AC Gilbert as a boy. I would guess about 8 - 10 years old and a picture of Maurice Romer and MacKinlay Kantor togeather in the in Siesta Key, Sarasota, Florida in the late 60's or '70s. The picture has signatures of both on the back but I think only Maurys is authenticate. More than selling it could someone tell of the Gilbert - Kantor connection. I know who Maury Romer was but wasn't Kantor a history writer? Maybe I am forgetting something as It has been many years since I read the book. I bought it in Portland in the 80's. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Lane To: S-Scale@egroups.com Cc: s-trains@onelist.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:51 PM Subject: [S-Scale] Autographed A C Gilbert Paradise Book on Ebay Hi All, I have just listed an AUTOGRAPHED original edition copy of "The Man Who Lived In Paradise" on Ebay. This is a MUST have to complete you American Flyer collection! Please follow the link and happy bidding http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335476519 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335476519> Thank You Bill ! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8503	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: AF Clip Art?

It seems to me that, a year or two ago, someone posted a message about where to find a clip-art copy of the American Flyer shield. Does anyone have that URL? ThankS, John Eichmann RMHR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8504	From: The Reis'	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] buys

----- Original Message ----- From: The Reis' To: wayne@... Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buys A friend of mine has many items for sale and many repair parts, honest, lower priced than most and I am sure has dealt with many of you already. He sells trains and parts out of his house in Woodinville , Wa. TCA member, etc. Dennis Tichi PO Box 529 Woodinville, Wa. 98072 425-788-8910 no computer give him a try, he has a lot of items and a great layout/collection. eric reis kenmore, wa.----- Original Message ----- From: wayne@... To: S-Trains@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: [S-Trains] buys Where can you buy AF items or atleast compatible ones without being outbid or gouged by collectors and dealers? (to use, not to put up on a shelf or re-sold) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8505	From: Scott Holm	Date: 5/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF Clip Art?

Yes, It has new URL: http://web1.chicagonet.net/~imsscott/flyer.jpg --- JOHN EICHMANN <jeichmann@...> wrote: > It seems to me that, a year or two ago, someone posted a message > about where to find a clip-art copy of the American Flyer shield. > Does anyone have that URL? > > ThankS, > John Eichmann > RMHR > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8506	From: William Lane Jr	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: A C Gilbert autographed book

Hi All, I have recieved some email in reference to the A C Gilbert Gilbert book "The Man Who Lives In Paradise" on Ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335476519 I hope this clears a few things up. 1. The book is not mine. It is owned by Russ Downs of Downs Model Railroad. 2. I have put what I consider to be a reasonable reserve bid on it considering the book's extreme rarity. The reserve is less then most of you have probably paid for a piece of rolling stock. However, how many of your A. F. trains have A C Gilbert's auotgraph on them? 3. I do not like accusations. implied or otherwise, of being called a liar or a forger. I do not have to prove anything to anyone. The book is being offered for bid as is where is. The information in the ad is completely true to the best of my knowledge. 4. If the book does not reach the reserve price, it will be taken to another auction venue where I am very sure it will be sold. 5. If you want the book bid on it. All the information is in the ad. I hope this clears up any issues that you may have with this item. Thank you Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8507	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] buys

Try American Models and S Helper Service for great AF compatible ready to run stuff. Check out this link: http://trainweb.com/crocon/sscale.html for other suppliers. There are also people on the web who sell used Flyer but I don't have a link handy. Search fo American Flyer. wayne@... wrote: > > Where can you buy AF items or atleast compatible ones without being > outbid or gouged by collectors and dealers? (to use, not to put up on > a shelf or re-sold) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lower Long Distance bills isn’t just FANTASY. Join beMANY! > and start saving on Long Distance today! > http://click.egroups.com/1/4263/4/_/494531/_/958702784/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8508	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Buys

One of the best sources that I have found for locating a variety of sources to buy parts and trains from is Paul Yorke's web site. His list of links has categories for new and used trains, parts, organizations and many others. You can find his web site at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/. Good Luck, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8509	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Wheel Sets

Hi Does anyone have any American Models Engine Hi Rail wheel sets to trade for Scale ones. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8510	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] KC trucks

In a message dated 5/19/00 4:54:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > You got to be kdding me! NEVER remove the wheelsets from a cast side flyer > truck unless you absolutely have to! Removing them will usually weaken or > damage the truck. > You can easily remove the wheelsets from a stamped metal link coupler truck > without damaging it. But any Flyer truck with cast sides is vulnerable > where the sideframes are joined to the truck's frame. > > I remove them all the time.....BUT I invested in a pair of SNAP-ON (you see their trucks at auto shops all the time) O-ring pliers. They're almost a foot long. Cost about $25, but their two tips fit nicely into the truck frame, and when you squeeze, you spread the SHEET-METAL TABS.....NOT the cast sideframes. Just a tiny sueeze---almost ne effort at all--- between those tabs will spread it enough to remove the axles with no stress whatsoever to the sideframe mountings. I've never broken a truck yet, since using these! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8511	From: portlines@aol.com	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Gauge Heralds

For anyone interested, I placed 5 lots of old S-Gauge Heralds on Ebay last night. The 5 lots cover the years 1962 (Volume 2) through 1969 (Volume 10). Not a complete collection from those years, but a lot of good issues. Condition is fine. I won't bother to list the Ebay numbers....just search under "S-Gauge Herald" (note the hyphen). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... VISA --MC--DISCOVER--AMEX Accepted. Port Lines is an all S-gauge/S-scale shop. We do not deal significantly with any other scales. Port Lines has three different catalogs available. Catalog #1 contains our complete listing of American Flyer Repair & Restoration Parts and Supplies. Catalog #2 is our current Used AF Equipment List, revised several times per year. Catalog #3 contains New Equipment & Products from all the different S manufacturers which we carry. (This includes American Models, S-Helper Service, Crown Models, Gargraves, Kadee, and many others.) Catalog #1: $3.00 ; Catalogs #2 and #3 are $2.00 each. Or a set of all three catalogs: $6.00

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8512	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/19/2000
Subject: trucks

Whether you use nose ring pliers or technique sensitive pliers, the fact remains that removing the wheels from cast side trucks as a part of routine maintenance is a mistake. Once you weaken the structure, the truck will continue to degenerate when the piece is operated. Once you bend it, you will never get it perfectly straight again no matter how sensitive your technique is, and the tracking qualities will suffer. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8513	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 21, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8514	From: mhrreast@juno.com	Date: 5/20/2000
Subject: Fw: Re: hoso.html

Dear S Modelers, I received information from many of you regarding non-S items usable in S scale railroading. I have added MANY of your suggestions to my list. I'll continue to add more. This updated list is live at: http://www.mhrreast.homestead.com/files/hoso.html There is a link to this page in Paul Yorke's site. Anybody else is free to link to it. Please tell me if you install a link, so that I can notify you in case of any change. Please e-mail me directly if you have any corrections, comments, or additions to the contents, or the links. Thanks, Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8515	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: info

I am looking for information on some American Flyer parts and engine I picked up at the train show in KC 2 weeks ago. American Flyer engine - 21165, Looks like an attemp to make a quick selling, beginning set. Engine runs like a top but no tender. American Flyer 561 Engine, will need complete new insides. American Flyer 494 Passenger Baggage Car: Shell only. I have seen pictures in sets but have no information. If you can give me any information, pictures, parts break down, etc. it would be appreciated. clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8516	From: hollyandroses	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: 1909 Union Pacific document for sale

If anyone collects railroad memorabilia, you might check out this document I just put on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=338368617 Thanks, bob mt. angel, oregon Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8517	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: A C Gilbert Autograph - Buyer Beware

Recently there has been discussion of a book signed by A C Gilbert that is currently on ebay and is being depicted as rare. I must say that this is not as rare as some people might think. In fact, this item can be found at various train swaps, book swaps, etc. if one cares to search for one. The problem with autographs is that many times they are easily falsified. I have posted two signatures in the files section that are purported to be AC's signature. If anyone else has signatures of AC please add to the list as this would help all of us determine in the future if what we are seeing is an actual signature of his or not. It would be nice if someone had a certified signature of some sort to compare. I am a strong opponent of using this list as a resource to sell items on ebay, or elsewhere. One of my many reasons is the misleading info one can receive about a certain item. In this case, it is the assumption that this is a rare book. If it is so rare, then why are there two of these books currently on ebay at the same time? Glenn Sarlitto

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8518	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 21, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8519	From: John Craft	Date: 5/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A C Gilbert Autograph - Buyer Beware

Glenn, I agree with you about autographs. Ebay has even addressed it in their magazine. I disagree about the use of the list. Many of us are adjusting our collections. Indeed I recently was able to accomplish several trades through the lists. I routinely use the delete button for subjects (and senders) of things that I have no interest. John Craft > I am a strong opponent of using this list as a resource to sell items on ebay, > or elsewhere. One of my many reasons is the misleading info one can receive > about a certain item. In this case, it is the assumption that this is a rare > book. If it is so rare, then why are there two of these books currently on ebay > at the same time? > > Glenn Sarlitto

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8520	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 5/22/2000
Subject: A.C. Gilbert

I also have a copy of A.C. Gilbert's 1954 autobiography, THE MAN WHO LIVES IN PARADISE. My copy is inscribed exactly the same as the one offered on eBay. Though I'm certainly not a signature expert, the writing does seem to match. As for the issue of rarity, I've been told that Gilbert signed numerous copies of his autobiography and distributed many of them to various libraries all around the country. By the way, it's an interesting book if you haven't read it. Happy collecting! Frank Leskovitz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8521	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/23/2000
Subject: Marx Gondola

I added Kinsman/Huff and Puff gondola ends to a Marx gondola. I do not like the looks of the ends. Are the ends accruate? The ribs look to be to large. How accruate is the large Lionel gondola? I was going to remove the fish belly center and narrow and add Mainstreet ribs. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8522	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Wye Turnout

Does anyone have a good, clear, working diagram of a "wye" Turnout that they can send via email or snail mail? Especially one that shows the hookup of polarity switches. Has anyone used a "Wye" Turnout? Is it worth the effort. Thanks. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8523	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Wye turnout

Colin: your question does not contain a lot of info about what you are trying to do. What kind of track and current do you contemplate using? If you want to use AF switches and AC, you can use one Flyer switch with a roller switch implanted in it to control the polarity of the third leg of the wye automatically. This is explained in my Roundhouse column in the Jan'Feb '99 issue of S Gaugian magazine. It is not complicated or difficult. Wiring a wye is very similar to wiring a reverse loop. The polarity of the current to the third leg, or non main line section, must be reversed depending on which direction of the two possibilities it is outletting to. If you are worried about the layout of track sections and are using sectional track, there is a way to work out any such problem. Place sections of curved and straight track and switches on a photocopier, make copies on thick card stock, cut them out with a scissors. Use these templates to mock up and work out the best track configuration for your purposes. " There is also a diagram in the K-line AF Complete Service Manual" on p. 333 that shows how to wire a wye using 2 DPDT switches and a lot of gaps. This would be more appropriate for use with DC currrent. i don't know if it was a Gilbert service sheet or was just added by the editors of the book. It does not show any track sections. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8524	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Decals printed on the Alps printer

It has come to my attention that if you store my decals that are printed on the Alps printer. I package the decal in a sealed plastic bag, do NOT store the decals between books or place something heavy on them, as the lettering WILL come off the decal paper and onto the plastic bag! If this happens to you, I will gladly replace the decals free of charge. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8525	From: Fred Alles	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: American Flyer in Raleigh, NC or Tocson, AZ??

Hi, I am taveling to Raleigh, North Carolina in a bit over a week and was wondering if anyone knew of any stores that might have some American Flyer items. How about in Tucson, AZ?? If you do know of any places, please let me know. You can contact me off line if you want. Thanks Fred <falles@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8526	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 5/24/2000
Subject: Trainweb.com

Hi there, Happened upon this at work--for those interested : Trainweb.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8527	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 640

In a message dated 05/24/2000 3:08:07 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > Subject: Marx Gondola > > I added Kinsman/Huff and Puff gondola ends to a Marx gondola. I do > not like the looks of the ends. Are the ends accruate? The ribs > look to be to large. How accruate is the large Lionel gondola? I > was > going to remove the fish belly center and narrow and add Mainstreet > ribs. Jim Sleeth Huh? Steve Blackburn....Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8528	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: TGTS

Read in a friend of mines N-Scale Mag that The Great Train Store filed for chapter 11 and promptly closed 11 of 56 stores including the store here in Dayton Oh. OH WELL ,TOO BAD, SO SAD. NOT!!!!!! When I sent an e-mail to nocoefan or whatever the founders name was of the club they had, he never even bothered to return my e-mail. Even Tinplate Station here in Dayton won't carry S-gauge anymore. Says no one will buy it. But he had it hidden in the corner of his store and never once, when I was in there, Showed the S-gauge stuff to his new customers! Always shoving O-gauge down there throats. Last time I went in his store he told me not to come back in until I had some money to spend.( I was just buying an S-Gaugian Mag.) Needless to say, I haven't been back to his store now for three months. we now have 4 "Hobby Shops " in Dayton. One is strictly O-Gauge, and the others carry some HO and N-Gauge stuff. It's very sad to have to mail order everything. Hopefully, I can get an S-gauge Shop going here in Dayton for the S-gaugers. Not much capitol, but where there's a will there's a way!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8529	From: Allen Evans	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: ABOUT WYE TRACK

It is more likely that you will find more info about building a WYE at BK Enterprises. They truly have all the material and directions for you to build your own, or they can build it for you. Here's their web site: http://www.troutcreekeng.com/bk_s.html Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8530	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: test

test Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8531	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

Hey guys, Is this not a bargain? A brand new in the box Crescent Limited in AC Flyer with Chug, smoke, whistle, and bell. It is American Models Limited Edition #186. There has been a picture of this piece on my list for the last two months. The first $300 plus shipping takes it. I understand that this unit is being offered at more than a $100 discount to the original issue price. How come it isn't selling? Is there something wrong with this particular item? Inquiring minds want to know. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8532	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

Mark, I really can't give you much of an answer, but I was kind of disappointed with the one I got. It didn't have much power and ran pretty slow compared to a Flyer 290 that I hooked to the cars to see if there was a problem with the transformer or the engine. Also, several of the small detail parts broke off easily (two marker lights were broken in the box when I received it). Got no answer on an email to AM about the problems. And AM charges a pretty penny for the replacement parts. So now I'm a bit leery about whether I want to get the new streamlined Pennsy version of the same loco. Also, I think the blue B&O version would move quicker if that was what you had. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Mark Preman wrote: > Hey guys, > > Is this not a bargain? A brand new in the box Crescent > Limited in AC Flyer with Chug, smoke, whistle, and > bell. It is American Models Limited Edition #186. > There has been a picture of this piece on my list for > the last two months. > > The first $300 plus shipping takes it. I understand > that this unit is being offered at more than a $100 > discount to the original issue price. > > How come it isn't selling? Is there something wrong > with this particular item? Inquiring minds want to > know. > > Mark > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/4/_/494531/_/959280265/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8533	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: 19B problem

A friend has a 19B transfomer with the following problem: The 15 volt constant voltage works, however he could not get the 15 variable voltage to work. Everything inside looks there and clean for being 45 year old, so he doesn't know whether there is a problem, whether it just needs cleaning, rebuilding, or maybe the curium breaker needs resetting. Any thoughts from the list? Is this easily fixed or something he needs to send out to an electrician? Paul Schneider Milwaukee, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8534	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] TGTS

That is not as bad as it sounds. Frankly, I would prefer to do business with my friendly local hobby shop, but if they won't play ball in S-gauge, that's their problem. Finding obscure items is just what the Internet is for. The web sites of the various S-gauge makers are excellent, and they have far more inventory than your local shop is ever going to carry in S-gauge. There are also web sites that specialize in used Flyer, and if all else fails, you can look on ebay, if you can stomach the prices. Enjoy the Internet....it is truly part of a distribution revolution that will let you find things in a month that would have taken years to find before. -----Original Message----- From: cbtrainnut@... <cbtrainnut@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TGTS >Read in a friend of mines N-Scale Mag that The Great Train Store filed for >chapter 11 and promptly closed 11 of 56 stores including the store here in >Dayton Oh. OH WELL ,TOO BAD, SO SAD. NOT!!!!!! When I sent an e-mail to >nocoefan or whatever the founders name was of the club they had, he never >even bothered to return my e-mail. > Even Tinplate Station here in Dayton won't carry S-gauge anymore. Says no >one will buy it. But he had it hidden in the corner of his store and never >once, when I was in there, Showed the S-gauge stuff to his new customers! >Always shoving O-gauge down there throats. Last time I went in his store he >told me not to come back in until I had some money to spend.( I was just >buying an S-Gaugian Mag.) Needless to say, I haven't been back to his store >now for three months. > we now have 4 "Hobby Shops " in Dayton. One is strictly O-Gauge, and the >others carry some HO and N-Gauge stuff. It's very sad to have to mail order >everything. > Hopefully, I can get an S-gauge Shop going here in Dayton for the S-gaugers. >Not much capitol, but where there's a will there's a way! > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: >http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/494531/_/959262153/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8535	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 641

Arizona Trains in Tucson on Treat just north of Grant is probably the best model tarin shop in the state, or at least it was when I was living there four years ago. Like most dealers, they are not heavy in American Flyer, but they usually have some. I wonfder if they still have that copy of Greenberg's American Flyer Volume 3? Vic Bereskin > From: Fred Alles <falles@...> > Subject: American Flyer in Raleigh, NC or Tocson, AZ?? > > Hi, > I am taveling to Raleigh, North Carolina in a bit over a week and was > wondering if anyone knew of any stores that might have some American > Flyer items. How about in Tucson, AZ?? > > If you do know of any places, please let me know. You can contact me > off line if you want. > > Thanks > > Fred

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8536	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Who's on first?

I am in Chicago visting my Mother and stop by a good hobby shop. The train department guy ask me if he can help me. I say I doubt it because I am in S gauge. I finally pick up a C&O Industrial Rail caboose and tell him I found a S gauge item in his store. He says it is O gauge. I say it is S gauge. He said it is O27. I says how can it be O gauge and be this small. He said the gauge was the size of the wheels. I says then all your O27 buyers are running S scale and don't know it. I found 4 S cabooses hiden in a corner. I know they had some AM stuff years ago. Three where 2 Lionel Flyer cabooses with the Cinder Lionel trucks and not the new O gauge trucks. I say look at this, the O27 caboose is the same size. In fact I think the AM caboose was larger. Call it 50 years of frustration. The sad point is O27 buyers could be buying S gauge and getting quality detailing and run them on 2 rail track. The toy track makes the whole thing a joke. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8537	From: Scott Brown	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

Mark, I have a similar story to Roger's. I purchased a GP-9 and 4 boxcars from American Models. I have been very dissatisfied with all of them. The GP-9 can't pull very many cars other than light weight AM and SHS cars. And the railings keep coming off no matter what glue I use. It had poor directions on how to put the parts together (which is another negative - the idea that it isn't RTR ) and when I emailed AM, I got a rather terse reply and still very little info about assembly. The boxcars came with no less than 30 white marks on each car where the parts had been broken off the sprue and glued together. The paint was never touched up. The cars also have a tendency to derail. I never got a response to my email to AM on this problem either. Last night Paul Yorke and I were over at David Horn's house watching his AM GG-1 going around the track, when it just locked up in neutral. And of course the only way to repair it is to replace the circuit board inside, which is no cheap item. That after the $300. + price tag. I also did not like that fact that the diesel horn operates when ever it feels like it and not when you want it to. I know there are many out there that swear by AM, but I'm not one of them and I certainly am leery of putting out $429. for the new PRR bullet engine. Maybe others have the same feelings and that could be the reason you still have the Crescent Limited. Strictly my opinion, Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8538	From: Scott Brown	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

I'll probably get nailed for this next comment :-) I still don't see why AM can't produce a decent engine that has 2 motors and pulls heavy cars for that $400. + price tag. I own 3 Williams "O" gauge (horrors dahling :-) ) engines that cost half that and run beautifully. I think twice the price is enough to account for the smaller market in "S" gauge. Please, don't send me back a post about how much it costs to produce engines. I already read that here several times. I am a diehard American Flyer operator as anyone who has been to my house can attest, but until someone makes a reliable, well made, product, I will continue to spend my money on original Flyer. I have been impressed with SHS engines, but I'm not in the market for a switcher. I'm anxious to see how their new F-3 engines run. SHS seems to be the leader at the moment. If the F-3 s are successful, maybe they will do a steamer next. Again, just my opinion, Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8539	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 642

reply to P.D.Schneider: 19-B transformer problem, REPLACEMENT CIRCUIT BREAKER Most likely the circuit breaker needs adjusted or cleaned. If the breaker needs replaced and no parts are available, I use a 30 volt "polyswitch" from DIGI-KEY, 6 amp no.(RUE600-ND) 9amp. (RUE900ND). A 3amp will work but most applications require more than 3amp. I would appreciate some feed back as to it's reliability in your application. PLEASE if you are not trained in high voltage repair (110 volt ac) have a qualified repairman (someone familiar with transformers, not the typical household electrician) do the work. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8540	From: Ted Larson	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: emote

Occasionally someone uses an acronym that not all of us know about, and occasionally someone is joking, but their comments are perceived as serious, ssssoooooo, to help out communications, see: http://www.chatlist.com/faces.html http://www.chatlist.com/newcfdocs/searchacro.cfm fwiw, 8-] ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8541	From: Louis Glumac	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] emote

Hi i finally got a little lucky at the flea market today, some guy had two american flyer cow on thracks in the box, always wanted one so now i own two, have a good holiday weekend,,, lou. Ted Larson wrote: > > Occasionally someone uses an acronym that not all of us know about, and > occasionally someone is joking, but their comments are perceived as > serious, ssssoooooo, to help out communications, see: > http://www.chatlist.com/faces.html > http://www.chatlist.com/newcfdocs/searchacro.cfm > fwiw, > 8-] > > ===== > Ted Larson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/494531/_/959354742/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8542	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

Dear Scott, I think that all model railroad companies have had problems with details not staying put. I am sure that all of us at one time or another have seen beautiful a pieces missing a brake wheel, marker lamp or step. Even cast on detail like the Challenger tender steps sometimes fall off. I know that with the SW-9, we decided to go with Delrin end handrails on the front and back so that when they were accidentally knocked off, they would be easily attached. We recommend using Hobsco's Goo with the micro tips to dispense just a tiny bit on to the mounting bosses. Goo is a contact cement that seems to stick to everything. Mostly hobby shops carry it or it can be ordered through Walthers. We always have a case in stock for those who cannot find it. I hope this helps. Don T. Scott Brown wrote: > Mark, > I have a similar story to Roger's. I purchased a GP-9 and 4 boxcars from > American Models. I have been very dissatisfied with all of them. The GP-9 can't > pull very many cars other than light weight AM and SHS cars. And the railings > keep coming off no matter what glue I use. It had poor directions on how to put > the parts together (which is another negative - the idea that it isn't RTR ) and > when I emailed AM, I got a rather terse reply and still very little info about > assembly. The boxcars came with no less than 30 white marks on each car where > the parts had been broken off the sprue and glued together. The paint was never > touched up. The cars also have a tendency to derail. I never got a response to > my email to AM on this problem either. Last night Paul Yorke and I were over at > David Horn's house watching his AM GG-1 going around the track, when it just > locked up in neutral. And of course the only way to repair it is to replace the > circuit board inside, which is no cheap item. That after the $300. + price tag. > I also did not like that fact that the diesel horn operates when ever it feels > like it and not when you want it to. I know there are many out there that swear > by AM, but I'm not one of them and I certainly am leery of putting out $429. for > the new PRR bullet engine. Maybe others have the same feelings and that could be > the reason you still have the Crescent Limited. > > Strictly my opinion, > > Scott Brown > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > fnCentral.com lets you manage your money the easy way - online! > Control your finances, pay your bills, track your investments... > fnCentral.com - the Web's first fully integrated personal finance > manager. Open your FREE account today! > http://click.egroups.com/1/4648/4/_/494531/_/959348997/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8543	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale

Moreover, American Models has a "no return" policy, and knows little about customer service. When I ordered heavyweight American Models Pullman cars (luckily, through Scenery Unlimited, and Don Heimburger--who IS service oriented--refunded my money), they were nothing short of awful, with their poor trucks and rotten couplers. They are VERY over-priced to boot. I'm now blissfully happy with original Gilbert AF 951, -2, -3, and -4 Pullmans running on my layout. These cars are "built" and built to last. Beautiful! Have a great Memorial Day, and say a prayer for those poor souls who fell in battle, and their families. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Brown [mailto:sbrown56@...] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:52 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models "Crescent Limited" For Sale Mark, I have a similar story to Roger's. I purchased a GP-9 and 4 boxcars from American Models. I have been very dissatisfied with all of them. The GP-9 can't pull very many cars other than light weight AM and SHS cars. And the railings keep coming off no matter what glue I use. It had poor directions on how to put the parts together (which is another negative - the idea that it isn't RTR ) and when I emailed AM, I got a rather terse reply and still very little info about assembly. The boxcars came with no less than 30 white marks on each car where the parts had been broken off the sprue and glued together. The paint was never touched up. The cars also have a tendency to derail. I never got a response to my email to AM on this problem either. Last night Paul Yorke and I were over at David Horn's house watching his AM GG-1 going around the track, when it just locked up in neutral. And of course the only way to repair it is to replace the circuit board inside, which is no cheap item. That after the $300. + price tag. I also did not like that fact that the diesel horn operates when ever it feels like it and not when you want it to. I know there are many out there that swear by AM, but I'm not one of them and I certainly am leery of putting out $429. for the new PRR bullet engine. Maybe others have the same feelings and that could be the reason you still have the Crescent Limited. Strictly my opinion, Scott Brown ------------------------------------------------------------------------ fnCentral.com lets you manage your money the easy way - online! Control your finances, pay your bills, track your investments... fnCentral.com - the Web's first fully integrated personal finance manager. Open your FREE account today! http://click.egroups.com/1/4648/4/_/494531/_/959348997/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8544	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: AM GG1

It's true, last night my AM GG1 went into a mode I hadn't seen before - - the headlights would come on, but it wouldn't move out of neutral. However, after sitting on a shelf for awhile, it ran fine. My guess is that its "brain" got into a funk from the sequence of running voltages and trickle voltages (blocks with 709 lock-out eliminators) it experienced. With some time away from the track, a capacitor or other component discharged and things reset to normal. Either that or it was taunting me after all the AM badmouthing Scott did earlier. (It ran OK after he left.);> I appreciate and respect Scott's opinion, especially considering the disappointments he's had with AM, but if I were to do it all over again, I'd still buy an AM GG1 (tuscan). While I too am a Flyer Nut, the AM GG1 looks good, runs well, and pulls plenty. The random horn, air brake release, and generator sounds are fun too. I chaulk them up to its "personality". PS Better access to its volume control would have been nice. I drilled a very small hole in the body through which I can pass a tiny screw driver to adjust its volume without removing the body. Oh, horrors, I know no collector would dream of doing such a thing, but hey, I'm an operator and when the kids are in bed, the sound is down, when kids and I are playing trains, crank it up! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8545	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Clarification of B.T.S. S scale Projects

Well, Friends, we survived another Spring S Spree. Due to the late arrival of the E.B.T. 0-6-0 kits, we were delayed in leaving and arrived in Cleveland late Friday afternoon. And due to the many projects that need attention, we left Cleveland Saturday afternoon and hurried home. It was a good Spree, and it was great seeing many of the gang there. Long trip; we are still recovering. One thing that came out when talking with many folks at the Spree is the confusion about some of our new projects. So, I hope to clear up any confusion, and while we are at it, announce several more new things! ---------------------- NKP Caboose, 1000-series. - This is a laser-cut wood kit. With slots and tabs, the construction is quick and easy. It includes positionable doors and window sashes. Should be ready in the next month or two. Price has not been finalized yet, but price and photos will be on the web site soon. And yes, we will be doing an NKP station.... or two. ---------------------- Ma & Pa Bobber - This is a joint brass project with PHM. The cab will be painted, and decals will be in the box. Remember, this was originally a PRR ND caboose, so we will include lettering for it also! PHM will offer this as a hi-rail model. Expect it in the Fall. Photos of the first body etchings will be on the web site soon. ---------------------- E.B.T. Caboose - The Sn3 model is a laser-cut kit. Just received and approved the detail castings, so look for this one very soon. Same features as the NKP cab. http://www.btsrr.com/bts9104.htm ---------------------- Other Caboose Projects - The 8-wheel Ma & Pa caboose has been started as a laser-cut kit and will be ready by the time the locos arrive. The B&O I-5 is coming as a laser-cut wood kit after the Ma & Pa. Following that will be a C&O caboose. Others are being considered. ---------------------- E.B.T. 0-6-0 - This is a STANDARD GAUGE loco; it is not narrow gauge!!! It's one of two the narrow gauge line owned that interchanged with the PRR at Mt. Union, PA. Kits have arrived and are selling well. Really knocked some socks off with this one! R-T-R locos are expected any day now. Got yours ordered? http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm ---------------------- Ma & Pa 2-8-0 - The patterns are being made now for the #41-43 heavy consolidations. After these are done, the light consolidations, #25-26, will follow. These were standard 1905 Baldwin designs and many roads had similar. Naturally, you can expect to see some M&PA structures! http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm ---------------------- PRR Passenger Equipment - Pattern work has been started for the MP54 coach! This will be a flat resin kit with loads of detail. Expect to see a powered version with a pan installed also! The BM54 baggage and PB54 combine are scheduled behind the MP54. Hadn't heard about this one, had ya? ---------------------- Coon Gap Sawmill - ONLY ONE Silver Edition (sound version) left! Less than 10 of the standard kits left. Do not hesitate on this one, or you will not have it. Only 75 kits were made. http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm ---------------------- Shotgun Houses - Our newest laser-cut structure is ready in S scale in single and three-packs. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm ---------------------- Coles Station - This is our third E.B.T. laser-cut station, and it is the smallest. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7124.htm ---------------------- Trackside Details - Most are in stock. We have sold out of the switch machines, but the next batch is already on the way! http://www.btsrr.com/btstsd01.htm ---------------------- Sorry to be so long-winded, but we have a lot going on around here. We recently counted and discovered we had shipped 18 new S Scale products in the last twelve months. I'm afraid to think about this year! Have a safe Memorial Day Weekend, and keep the real reason for the holiday in mind! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8546	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM GG1

I have also had my GG1 lock up and after a few minutes of rest it works fine again. The same thing has happened with my Pacific. Both are scarey but VERY rare events and they always have recovered after a few minutes. david_horn@... wrote: > > It's true, last night my AM GG1 went into a mode I hadn't seen before - - > the headlights would come on, but it wouldn't move out of neutral. However, > after sitting on a shelf for awhile, it ran fine. My guess is that its > "brain" got into a funk from the sequence of running voltages and trickle > voltages (blocks with 709 lock-out eliminators) it experienced. With some > time away from the track, a capacitor or other component discharged and > things reset to normal. > > Either that or it was taunting me after all the AM badmouthing Scott did > earlier. (It ran OK after he left.);> > > I appreciate and respect Scott's opinion, especially considering the > disappointments he's had with AM, but if I were to do it all over again, I'd > still buy an AM GG1 (tuscan). While I too am a Flyer Nut, the AM GG1 looks > good, runs well, and pulls plenty. The random horn, air brake release, and > generator sounds are fun too. I chaulk them up to its "personality". > > PS Better access to its volume control would have been nice. I drilled a > very small hole in the body through which I can pass a tiny screw driver to > adjust its volume without removing the body. Oh, horrors, I know no > collector would dream of doing such a thing, but hey, I'm an operator and > when the kids are in bed, the sound is down, when kids and I are playing > trains, crank it up! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CLICK HERE***SPECIAL OFFER***$60 in FREE calls > ***SPECIAL OFFER***CLICK HERE > http://click.egroups.com/1/4127/4/_/494531/_/959372699/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8547	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: 19B

If the fixed voltage works, then the circuit breaker is not the problem. The same circuit breaker protects both the fixed and variable voltage circuits, according to the schematic. Unfortunately, Gilbert factory drawings of their transformers are crude and unreliable, and contain errors. Probably, the fault is a simple one involving the roller arm assembly. Often, the wire to it is broken. Or the arm could be bent so that the roller doesn't contact the secondary coils. The unit must be carefully reassembled so the roller arm nestles within the two tabs that receive it, or the roller will not be pushed down onto the secondary coil windings when the haWipe it off with a clean rag. Soldered joints in these units are prone to decay. Check them too. The ammeter, part of this circuit, may be dead. It would be wise to try jumping it (connecting a wire across its terminals). The ammeter is in series with the variable voltage output, and thus can disrupt it. The voltmeter goes across the base and variable outputs and should not kill things if it dies, unless it produces a short, which would then fire the circuit breaker and also kill the fixed voltage. Since the fixed voltage works, this is probably not the case. I have never unwound this unit. If it has two secondaries, which i doubt, there could be a broken winding in the coil. If there is a broken winding in the transformer coil it is probably due to physical damage and should be visible. If it has one secondary powering the fixed and variable voltages, then the problem has got to be in the roller arm or the wire to it. I suspect something really simple is wrong with this unit and it should not be hard to find and correct the flaw. Special knowledege may not be needed. For more information on transformer safety testing and repair, check out: http://trainweb.com/crocon/portlinesclinic6.html Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8548	From: Vic Bereskin	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 642

Good luck with the plan for an all S shop. I hope you succeed. I personally deal almost entirely by mail order now. Living in a small town with no hobby shops at all I don't have to feel guilty about not patronizing the local merchants. If you want to find some S not too far from Dayton, you might try Davis Trains in Milford (just east of Cincinnati). It's mostly an O dealer, but they do carry some S-Helper and have Gargraves and K-Line track. They also discount. I got my orange-boxed American Flyer Oil Drum Loader from them for $115.15 (none of that silly .99 stuff to try to make the price seem a dollar cheaper). That is their tagged price, not a negotiated deal. I've not seen any of the mail order houses advertise that low. I am waiting to see what they want for the MTH coal loader. Vic Bereskin > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:42:00 EDT > From: cbtrainnut@... > Subject: TGTS > > Read in a friend of mines N-Scale Mag that The Great Train Store filed for > chapter 11 and promptly closed 11 of 56 stores including the store here in > Dayton Oh. OH WELL ,TOO BAD, SO SAD. NOT!!!!!! When I sent an e-mail to > nocoefan or whatever the founders name was of the club they had, he never > even bothered to return my e-mail. > Even Tinplate Station here in Dayton won't carry S-gauge anymore. Says no > one will buy it. But he had it hidden in the corner of his store and never > once, when I was in there, Showed the S-gauge stuff to his new customers! > Always shoving O-gauge down there throats. Last time I went in his store he > told me not to come back in until I had some money to spend.( I was just > buying an S-Gaugian Mag.) Needless to say, I haven't been back to his store > now for three months. > we now have 4 "Hobby Shops " in Dayton. One is strictly O-Gauge, and the > others carry some HO and N-Gauge stuff. It's very sad to have to mail order > everything. > Hopefully, I can get an S-gauge Shop going here in Dayton for the S-gaugers. > Not much capitol, but where there's a will there's a way!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8549	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: 19B

Part of my last post was garbled in transmission. The second paragraph should have read: Probably, the fault is a simple one involving the roller arm assembly. Often, the wire to it is broken. Or the arm could be bent so that the roller doesn't contact the secondary coils. The unit must be carefully reassembled so the roller arm nestles within the two tabs that receive it, or the roller will not be pushed down onto the secondary coil windings when the handle is pushed down. There may be gunk on the secondary windings where the roller contacts them. Wipe the windings with a clean rag. Soldered joints in these units are prone to decay. Check those too. Sorry about that. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8550	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/26/2000
Subject: The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"

Hi all, This has nothing to do with model trains but a little somethin' for the train buffs. Taking my almost 5yr old daughter over to see the Tehachapi Loop on Saturday. For those not familiar with the loop, and don't quote me on this, but I think it's one of three in the world, where the train passes over itself! Steep grade here!! Forgot to mention it's out here in California. Stopped by last Memorial weekend and took some video,...looked like people were camped by the tracks!! Snack booth and outhouses!! Serious train buffs here!! Hope everyone has a good weekend!!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8551	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"

Dear Rick, If you had the opportunity to take in the NASG convention at Denver a few years back., one of the fan trips was on the Georgetown Loop, where you could ride on a trains that crossed over itself. Very nice scenery and I was lucky enough to be sitting with one of the owners nephews. Don T. Rick Evans wrote: > Hi all, > This has nothing to do with model trains but a little somethin' for the train buffs. > Taking my almost 5yr old daughter over to see the Tehachapi Loop on Saturday. > For those not familiar with the loop, and don't quote me on this, but I think it's > one of three in the world, where the train passes over itself! Steep grade here!! > > Forgot to mention it's out here in California. Stopped by last Memorial weekend and > took some video,...looked like people were camped by the tracks!! Snack booth and > outhouses!! Serious train buffs here!! > > Hope everyone has a good weekend!!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Old school buds here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/4/_/494531/_/959409084/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8552	From: michael prell	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Infamous "Tehachapi Loop"

Just curious, but is that the same loop featured in one of the old Captain Kangaroo shows. The captain seemed to love trains and one day showed a shot of this long passenger train with the tail end going in as the engine was coming out at the top. I have often wondered where this was located. --- Robin Thompson <robin@...> wrote: > Dear Rick, > If you had the opportunity to take in the NASG > convention at Denver a few years > back., one of the fan trips was on the Georgetown > Loop, where you could ride on a > trains that crossed over itself. Very nice scenery > and I was lucky enough to be > sitting with one of the owners nephews. > Don T. > > Rick Evans wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This has nothing to do with model trains but a > little somethin' for the train buffs. > > Taking my almost 5yr old daughter over to see the > Tehachapi Loop on Saturday. > > For those not familiar with the loop, and don't > quote me on this, but I think it's > > one of three in the world, where the train passes > over itself! Steep grade here!! > > > > Forgot to mention it's out here in California. > Stopped by last Memorial weekend and > > took some video,...looked like people were camped > by the tracks!! Snack booth and > > outhouses!! Serious train buffs here!! > > > > Hope everyone has a good weekend!!! > > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Old school buds here: > > > http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/4/_/494531/_/959409084/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & > NAHX Polychloborate cars > are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8553	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Re: AF Groups

Dear Paul, Just reply to all and then write "subscribe" in the body of the message. You will get a daily listing of the e-mail messages. If you need any other help, just give a call. Don T. Other "S" Links......... http://trainweb.com/crocon/sscale.html http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/products.html http://www.ribbonrail.com/nmra/nmralink.html "J. Paul Hartman" wrote: > Don - nice to talk with you this a.m. Looking forward to getting my order > in a month or so. As we discussed, please let me know what AF groups I > might subscribe to. Many thanks - Paul Hartman. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8554	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 28, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8555	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: Need An Idea

Hey Fellow "S" ers I'm getting ready to lay rails (finally), and I'm looking for a schematic of the rail system around Altoona Pa. through the Horseshoe curve, towards Pittsburgh. Can anyone head me in the right direction. Thanks Bill Sandrus Boise ID RMHR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8556	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/27/2000
Subject: A short comment about circuit breakers.

Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 643 A good potential source for small replacement circuit breakers of the amperages found in train transformers and train applications might just be at your local auto parts store. There are a wide variety of circuit breakers available for automotive applications that should adapt very well to low voltage model train requirements. Many of these breakers have threaded studs with nuts and washers where the wires attach, others have the 1/4 inch wide flat quick disconnect type wire terminal end connector. And they usually have a flange for solid mounting. They also do not care whether the applied voltage is AC or DC. They should work just fine provided you are able to find the amperage rating that you need. They are not very expensive and they also reset by themselves when they have cooled off. Rich Schneider, Aka prototyper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8557	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Clearance Info?

Hi. I am in the process of putting in a grade in a high rail layout and on the loop I will have the second level go right over the track on the bottom level (for a straight stretch of about 6 feet). Has anyone determined a reasonable clearance from the top of the tracks on the first level to the bottom of the roadbed on the second level? I would like to keep it a minimum so that grades can be kept to a minimum. I know that the clearance should depend on your highest car, but has anyone done some calculations or measurements that suggest a best height? It appears that 3 1/2 - 4 inches should do it (AM GG-1, which runs well by the way, with "catenary contacts" retracted, is about 3-1/4"). I also have 644 and 944 boom cars packed away somewhere - anything higher? Any suggestions, comments, etc? Thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8558	From: Mac	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Pennsy

I just love this place! Here's a couple of links to begin you on your quest http://www.alphalink.com.au/~pennsy/horsesho.htm http://prrths-pc.pennsyrr.com/ Follow the thread to the shopping area, then search on horseshoe - There's at least two books with maps, pictures, etc. http://www.railroadcity.com/railroad/HSCpreview99.htm Saving the best for last: http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.asp?S=12&T=1&X=888&Y=5598&Z=17&W=0 That is the satellite photo of the curve and Gallitzin. Have fun Mac Message: 5 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:47:11 -0600 From: "Bill Sandrus" <borj@...> Subject: Need An Idea Hey Fellow "S" ers I'm getting ready to lay rails (finally), and I'm looking for a schematic of the rail system around Altoona Pa. through the Horseshoe curve, towards Pittsburgh. Can anyone head me in the right direction. Thanks Bill Sandrus Boise ID RMHR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8559	From: scott griggs	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Re: Clearance Info

I remember reading an article in S Gaugian about a guy building a layout with a low clearance for a bridge or tunnel, and he found out after the fact that the AF circus flats were the tallest loads Gilbert made. I don't own a Circus set, so I'm not sure what the height dimension is, but if you plan on running them you might want to find out. If you are running catenary for your GG1, I have seen "sled runners" that push the catenary down before entering a tunnel or low clearance feature. Scott Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8560	From: tabascox@junksmile.com	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: simple game: dispatching a 7 blocks signal system, loco depot sched

Message-ID: <8gri6r+v9o@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2226 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Dear modelrailroaders I have setup a new RAILFAN/MODELRAILROADING game in my website. PLEASE DROP AN PLAY: http://www.junksmile.com//headache There is a small prize for one of the winners. It is not too much, but I try to do my best. Hope you like. *************************************************** game number 1: dispatching a 7 blocks signal system ASSUMPTIONS: Seven freight trains UP, ATSF, PRR, NYC, SP, EL, and N&W are to be dispatched in a 7 blocks signal system, where the blocks have numbers 1 to 7, from North to South. Any position of the trains is acceptable as long as all seven trains are hosted, one in each block, and the dispatching conforms to the following rules: 1) UP must be hosted in the block immediately south of EL's block. 2) ATSF cannot be hosted in the block immediately north of SP's block, and ATSF cannot be hosted in the block immediately south of SP's block. 3) There must be exactly 2 blocks between the blocks of PRR and N&W. 4) There must be at least one block between the blocks of NYC and N&W. 5) SP must be in block 3. ...... FIVE QUESTIONS ......... game number 2: loco depot schedule for evening service ASSUMPTIONS: On each weekday evening, Monday through Friday, for one week, one dispatch engineer has to choose the locos pulling the freight train round trip from Boston to New York and back to Boston. A pair of exactly two locos, one brand new and one very old, will be chosen to pull each evening. The three available old locomotors are SD7, GP9, and SD40. The five available brand new locomotors are SD60M, C44-9W, SD70MAC, C40-8W, and GP60-2. The locos will be assigned to pull trains according to the following conditions: 1) No loco can be assigned to pull trains on two consecutive evenings. 2) SD7 and SD70MAC, if either is assigned to pull, must be assigned as a pair. 3) SD60M must be assigned to pull Wednesday's train. 4) C40-8W cannot be assigned to pull a train on an evening immediately preceding of following an evening when GP60-2 is assigned to pull. ........ FOUR QUESTIONS ........... *************************************************** PLEASE DROP AN PLAY: http://www.junksmile.com/headache Thanks Steve my2c@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8561	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Soldering techniques

Hello Everyone, Since I subscribe to more than one train Onelist group and a few of the Otrains digests had some questions about soldering I submitted to it, a brief essay about soldering, taken from my experience of many years. It was received and welcomed. I received several comments on it so I thought it would be only fair to share this with all of the groups I subscribe to. Here it is: I would like to make a comment or two about soldering since there seems to have been some questions about it. I took an interest in electronics at the very early age of 9, and I stayed with it. I've worked as a factory maintenance department electrician, doing all sorts of things not always electrical. (Still there too, but now I'm the boss!) Soldering and welding was always one of the duties. Unfortunately I have not tried resistance soldering so I cannot comment on that procedure. Usually the hardest part is figuring out how to hold a piece in place so you can solder it. Once you have this obstacle overcome you have won the biggest part of the battle. There is nothing like good old practice. Make sure you have a good - hot - iron, (or gun) fresh resin or flux, clean, fairly new solder. Don't use solder that you have had laying around for the last 10 to 15 years or so, it will be oxidized and will give poor results. Make sure the items you want to join together by soldering are clean. Have a clean, tinned (freshly solder covered) iron tip, heat the parts to be soldered quickly and apply the solder to the parts, not the iron and get the iron and solder out of the work area as soon as possible and allow the soldered joint to cool. The whole idea is to not cook your parts to death! After you practice enough you will gain experience which will tell you the following: 1 - How hot to have your iron, 2 - how long to apply the heat, 3 - how much or how little flux to use, 4 - How much solder to apply while soldering. This step can be controlled by using solders of different diameters. Solder is available in many diameters and combinations of soft metals, with different melting points for different alloys. They come with or without flux cores of various types. Some solders contain lead while some do not. Some of the better varieties contain silver alloys and require a little more heat than the lead types. There are also solders that will allow you to use a soldering iron to solder aluminum to copper, brass, etc. If you are in doubt about what solder to use on something the best place to ask for a recommendation is your local welding supply dealer. This is where the experts should be when it comes to the technical stuff about solders. Your electronics store will not have 95% of the info you really want. If you practice enough and remember clean, hot & fast, soldering will be a snap! If this short essay on soldering helps just one person, then I feel real good about typing it. I would like to hear some feedback on this since I would like to be able to contribute more things along these lines if they are acceptable and welcome. Regards and Happy Holidays All, Rich Schneider, Aka prototyper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8562	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, May 28, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8563	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/28/2000
Subject: Re: [Otrains] Digest Number 565

Hi Folks, Thanks for the great positive feedback you all have given me on the soldering info. Kind of makes me feel good! In response to Mike Walker's soldering steel rail question, I have never encountered any problems in that area. Before starting, this procedure you should make some provision to be able to clean your rails with really clean hot water after soldering. The fluxes that work best with steel are somewhat corrosive and will cause your rail to rust over time unless it is rinsed off. I have soldered Gargraves stainless steel rail using this method to attach wiring to it. Stainless requires an extreme amount of heat for any amount of success so unless you have all day to play and a lot of patience, don't attempt it. I did not enjoy doing it and would not have tried it if my tracks had been removable. I recommend cleaning the rails where they are to be soldered with a small wire wheel in a Dremel tool, although I don't think this step is really needed unless it is tarnished or rusted. If you suspect there is a coating of anything on the rail, use a suitable solvent and a small stiff bristled brush to clean it off. Acetone or lacquer thinner will do an excellent job but make certain you are in a well ventilated area and away from fire, flames and sparks. These chemicals are dangerous to your health and explosive not to mention flammable! So do this part out of the house, work shop, or train room and for Gods sake DON"T SMOKE! After the rails have dried, assuming you cleaned them with a solvent, put a generous coating of your favorite soldering flux or acid on the area to be soldered, heat it with your iron, then apply a second application of flux along with a small amount of solder. The first flux only heating is a cleaning step. The second heating with solder and flux is the tinning step. You can dip the end of your solder in your flux before applying it. Sometimes this is better than a brush or other applicator. Don't be afraid to slide your soldering iron or gun back and forth on the surface you are tinning. sometimes this helps remove that invisible something that is causing the solder to not stick. This should tin the rail (apply a solder coating to it). Remove the iron, check it for spots without solder. At this point all you want is a thin coating of solder, but you want a continuous coating. If there are any voids in the coating, reapply the hot iron and a little more flux to the void, no more solder. After it looks good reapply the hot iron and your solder to fill with as much solder as you need to make the bond. Do not use a rosin or resin cored solder. Use a solder with an acid core or no core at all. One other thing that I did not mention in my other installment on soldering and I should have is that the absolute best location for you to put the tip of your soldering iron or gun, provided everything has accepted the solder well is at the underside of the joint or connection being soldered. Heat rises, so in theory and practice the heat source should be underneath your work. Unfortunately this is just not always possible. NUFF SAID for tonight. I hope I have helped. Rich, Aka Prototyper

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8564	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: CLEARANCE INFO

In answer to Rance, the 944 with the hoist hook retracted and touching the 945 work car bed is 4" above the rail as is the funnel on the Franklin/Washington engine. Trailers on a flatbed are about 3 3/4". I don't have an AM Amtrak Passenger car but they are also very tall. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:35:24 -0400 From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> Subject: Clearance Info? Hi. I am in the process of putting in a grade in a high rail layout and on the loop I will have the second level go right over the track on the bottom level (for a straight stretch of about 6 feet). Has anyone determined a reasonable clearance from the top of the tracks on the first level to the bottom of the roadbed on the second level? I would like to keep it a minimum so that grades can be kept to a minimum. I know that the clearance should depend on your highest car, but has anyone done some calculations or measurements that suggest a best height? It appears that 3 1/2 - 4 inches should do it (AM GG-1, which runs well by the way, with "catenary contacts" retracted, is about 3-1/4"). I also have 644 and 944 boom cars packed away somewhere - anything higher? Any suggestions, comments, etc? Thanks in advance. Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8565	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Tunnel Clearance

Whilst on the subject of tunnel clearance consider poor Smitty, the walking brakeman. Smitty developed a terrible headache when he struck the tunnel portal on my layout several years ago. OUCH!! Well, Smitty didn't work very hard anyway so we had to let him go rather than raise the tunnel portal. The M&M also once had a Lionel Flyer horse car, but those poor creatures kept striking their heads against the side of the tunnel portal. They asked to be sold to a prairie layout with no tunnels and my vet bills have been much smaller ever since. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR M&M Railroad, Tin Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8566	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Tunnel Clearance

Dear Wayne, Maybe next time "L" should consider 1:64 scale horses. Or, better yet, a true 1:64 scale horse car. Don T. "Alice S. Beachy" wrote: > Whilst on the subject of tunnel clearance consider poor Smitty, the walking brakeman. Smitty developed a terrible headache when he struck the tunnel portal on my layout several years ago. OUCH!! Well, Smitty didn't work very hard anyway so we had to let him go rather than raise the tunnel portal. The M&M also once had a Lionel Flyer horse car, but those poor creatures kept striking their heads against the side of the tunnel portal. They asked to be sold to a prairie layout with no tunnels and my vet bills have been much smaller ever since. > > J. Wayne Beachy > Midlothian & Manchester RR > M&M Railroad, Tin Division > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/494531/_/959602553/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8567	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 645

> > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:35:24 -0400 > From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> > Subject: Clearance Info? > > Hi. I am in the process of putting in a grade in a high rail layout and > on the loop I will have the second level go right over the track on the > bottom level (for a straight stretch of about 6 feet). Has anyone > determined a reasonable clearance from the top of the tracks on the > first level to the bottom of the roadbed on the second level? I would > like to keep it a minimum so that grades can be kept to a minimum. I > know that the clearance should depend on your highest car, but has > anyone done some calculations or measurements that suggest a best > height? It appears that 3 1/2 - 4 inches should do it (AM GG-1, which > runs well by the way, with "catenary contacts" retracted, is about > 3-1/4"). I also have 644 and 944 boom cars packed away somewhere - > anything higher? Any suggestions, comments, etc? Thanks in advance. > Rance Velapoldi > > ______ Clarence, I think that the Vista dome coaches would be the benchmark that you would need to consider. If you don't have any and do not think that you will ever have any on your layout then you can work around them. However, you might be wise to take them into consideration. I have known many Flyer operators over the years who have designed a layout based on certain parameters only to find that these parameters later no longer worked. Also consider bridge or tunnel and assoociated superstructure to accomodate trains on the lower track. Good luck on your project. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8568	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: HO Flyer Stuff on eBay

New listing JFYI for the HO folks: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344549983 JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8569	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Clearance Info

>>>Rance Velapoldi wrote: Has anyone determined a reasonable clearance from the top of the tracks on the first level to the bottom of the roadbed on the second level? Scott Griggs responded: I remember reading an article in S Gaugian about a guy building a layout with a low clearance for a bridge or tunnel, and he found out after the fact that the AF circus flats were the tallest loads Gilbert made. >>> Rance, Scott is correct. I wouldn't have thought of it, but, looking at my small collection here on the table, the Circus loads on flatcars are tallest. Mine (repro loads) are 3-13/16" from the TOP OF THE RAIL to the top of the cages. Four inches between the lower table and the bottom of the upper roadbed would seem to be an absolutely minimum clearance, and that's risky. I'm designing my home layout with a 6" clearance. Our club's layout, Lookout Junction, has about 5-1/2" of clearance between the lower tabletop and the bottom of our four bridges on the upper loop. When I run my 944 Crane Car on the lower level, I have to depress the boom nearly all the way down to clear the bridges. The problem with that is that the boom weight can swing against the siderails of the 945 Work-and-Boom Car around 19-1/2" curves, and possibly cause the 945 to derail. Six inches of clearance, tabletop-to-upper-roadbed, can mean that you have to lengthen your grade, but it's about your only guarantee of smooth operation. Hope this helps. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8570	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Correction: Clearance Info

Sorry, guys, I goofed on my previous post. It should have read that the height of my Circus loads are 3-13/16" from the TABLE TOP (under the track). The actual railtop-to-cagetop height is about 3-1/4". Sorry for the confusion. YourS, John Eichmann RMHR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8571	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

Graffiti 1 - Graffiti taken off of real boxcars & covered hoppers. Modern graffiti that you see today. 5 drawings to a set. N & HO scale $5.00, S & O scale $10.00. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8572	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: AD: Diecast / Videos / Books

Amazon is expanding it's offerings. I found some great deals. see http://www.gate.net/~yorke/bookstore2000.html Disclosure: Yes, I will profit if you buy using these links. But your price is not effected by my small commission. Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8573	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: California Zephyr

If I remember right, the Zephyr was run by three roads, D&RGW, Western Pacific and what was the third one? Thanks. Wayne J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR M&M Railroad, Tin Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8574	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Clearance

Tx for all the excellent information. Will make a few more measurements on my vistadome in the 660 series and the L Mopac set. Also will dig out my cranes to get some ideas. I really don't have that much of a run if I want to keep the grades to 3% or less. Need about 20 feet to go up 6 inches at roughtly 2.5% grade. I only have about 13 feet, so if I go up 4.5" in 13 feet the grade would be 2.88%, not too bad. Tx again. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8575	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] California Zephyr

Dear Wayne, The west-bound Zephyr originated in Chicago and was moved to Denver by the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy where DRGW took over. Are you working on a Zephyr model? 'S'incerely, Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA ---------- From: Alice S. Beachy [SMTP:abeachy@...] Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:54 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] California Zephyr If I remember right, the Zephyr was run by three roads, D&RGW, Western Pacific and what was the third one? Thanks. Wayne J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR M&M Railroad, Tin Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/4/_/494531/_/959634152/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8576	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: clearance

The clearance provided by the tallest later style Flyer trestle, #13, is 4 7/16 inches from ground to underside of upper track's ties, so that's what the Gilbert factory thought the clearance should be. I am not certain that the walking brakeman could pass under it though. Mine is not reachable now. This height is reached in a track length of 130 inches. This is about a 3.5% grade if my calculations are correct, which they well may not be. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8577	From: Eric Child	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Layout Plan?

I am about ready to start another AF layout and am considering the AF Boy's railroad design. Does anyone know if a schematic of this has ever been done? How about the Washington DC or New York Hall of Science layouts? thanks for any pointers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8578	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Boys Railroad Club

Here is a link to some Boys Railroad Club stuff that i have collected. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO.htm http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/department/displayLO2.htm Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8579	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Clearance Info

> >>>Rance Velapoldi wrote: > Has anyone determined a reasonable clearance from the top of the tracks on the first level to the bottom of the roadbed on the second level I agree with the 4" minimum for clearence purposes. However if you are using a bridge or trestle you need to allow for the underside of the superstructure. For a tunnel clearence I would add a 1/4" inside of the Tunnel. If a landscape with track overpassing a tunnel, The higher the upper level from the tunnel the better.(for apperances sake) Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8580	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: [Fwd: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scales]

I had some typo's in my new Graffiti 1 decals. Prices should be $6.00 for N & HO scale, $12.00 for S & O scale. 5 decals per set. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Below is the post I release earlier. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Graffiti 1 - Graffiti taken off of real boxcars & covered hoppers. Modern graffiti that you see today. 5 drawings to a set. N & HO scale $5.00, S & O scale $10.00. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8581	From: Richard L. Schneider	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: More Soldering Tips & Hints

Hello all, The following is from the Marx Trains OneList. Mr. Gary Gullikson, who touched on some points that I unfortunately overlooked. He has given me his permission to forward his input to all of the lists that I subscribe to. Message: 11 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:52:35 -0700 From: "Gary Gullikson" <garyg@...> Subject: Re: Soldering techniques Good advice, Mr. Schneider. Most of what I learned about soldering came from Kester's Solder publications and as you say , practice, practice. Here's some info I always tried to pass on to my soldering class students as a soldering instructor for Rockwell / Boeing: 1.You need a large enough capacity iron to quickly heat the pieces to be soldered quickly enough to avoid damaging surrounding materials. Example: if you are soldering a wire to an engine's pickup shoe, etc., you need a 50-75 watt iron with a large diameter copper tip to heat the shoe hot enough for the solder to flow and bond properly betwen shoe and wire. A 25 watt iron with a tiny circuit board tip can't do this kind of a job. You wouldn't want to solder a wire to a circuit board pad with a 150 watt iron with a 1/2 inch tip. 2. In order to transfer heat from iron tip to the items to be soldered you need a small amount of solder between iron tip and the work. A "dry" iron can't transfer heat efficiently. Add more solder after joint is heated sufficiently for good flow. 3. Use the proper type of soldering "flux" for electrical / electronic versus mechanical soldering as well as proper clean up afterwards. Rosin fluxes are used for electrical connections and acid fluxes are used for mechanical soldering. Acid fluxes continue to corrode the work after soldering so they must be cleaned up as recommended for the type of solder / flux combination being used. Ths is the tip of the iceberg but this info should help beginnning solders. Gary Gullikson Thanks Gary, Rich Schneider

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8582	From: hollyandroses	Date: 5/29/2000
Subject: ebay listing

Jim, I looked at your ebay listing. You calling 1957 antique? I thought stuff had to be at least 100 years old to be considered antique. I mean, I was born b4 that and I'm certainly not an antique! Watch it! Went to the URL listed for photos, but it took forever to load and I didn't have time to wait. bob hawley mt angel, oregon New listing JFYI for the HO folks: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344549983 JimA Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8583	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Flyer opperators who like a lot of weight

I use metal straping to add weight to American Models passenger cars. You can find different sizes at most Home building stores. For those trucks that will not track right, pick up a REX flat car or gondola. Putt Putt trains sells them for $12. Ace makes a center weight and metal frame for the AM early hopper models. Add a coal load. Their new cars are much heavier then the older ones. My American Models Baldwin runs much better then the American Flyer Baldwin. I am very disappointed in American Flyer diesels. Like I told the head marketing man at Lionel when he called me to talk. I told him to run a new ABA with sounds and add the extra car to the cars to the sets and see for himself what he was asking me to buy for $800. I wanted to buy the Northern Pacific passenger cars to go with my mint AA diesels. I told him I will never find mint cars for the price of the new ones and it will take me forever to get all of them. I said if he were serious about selling American Flyer trains he would make the cars available individualy. They spent a lot of money on an AF steam project, then went to a train show and found they could buy good orginal ones for $350. That is what you get when you hire now train people to run the show, or don't have an American Flyer advisor. I told him I would make the 0-6-0 plastic steem engine with the tender. They ran great, had a lot of detail and not many are available. But what do I know about American Flyer trains, I been running them since I was three years old. Perhaps my new in the box engines run better, but I don't operate them. My American Model RS3 is a great runner. The AF engines with pull mor wheels may pull better, but they do not good electrical pick up. All my trains ran better in 1956, but that is another story. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8584	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer opperators who like a lot of weight

Just as a point of interference here, we are currently starting production on a replacement chassis for the A.F. Please see our web page for the details. Thanks Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 9:13 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Flyer opperators who like a lot of weight > I use metal straping to add weight to American Models passenger cars. > You can find different sizes at most Home building stores. For those > trucks that will not track right, pick up a REX flat car or gondola. > Putt Putt trains sells them for $12. Ace makes a center weight and > metal frame for the AM early hopper models. Add a coal load. Their > new cars are much heavier then the older ones. > > My American Models Baldwin runs much better then the American Flyer > Baldwin. I am very disappointed in American Flyer diesels. Like I > told the head marketing man at Lionel when he called me to talk. I > told him to run a new ABA with sounds and add the extra car to the > cars to the sets and see for himself what he was asking me to buy for > $800. I wanted to buy the Northern Pacific passenger cars to go with > my mint AA diesels. I told him I will never find mint cars for the > price of the new ones and it will take me forever to get all of them. > I said if he were serious about selling American Flyer trains he > would make the cars available individualy. They spent a lot of money > on an AF steam project, then went to a train show and found they > could > buy good orginal ones for $350. That is what you get when you hire > now train people to run the show, or don't have an American Flyer > advisor. > I told him I would make the 0-6-0 plastic steem engine with the > tender. They ran great, had a lot of detail and not many are > available. But what do I know about American Flyer trains, I been > running them since I was three years old. > > Perhaps my new in the box engines run better, but I don't operate > them. My American Model RS3 is a great runner. The AF engines with > pull mor wheels may pull better, but they do not good electrical pick > up. All my trains ran better in 1956, but that is another story. > > Jim Sleeth > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/4/_/494531/_/959692442/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8585	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Re: eBay HO listing

I know what you mean. This was not my listing. I just put it up on the list because there were some HO Flyer folks about. I too bristled at that "antique" description!! . . . for the same reason!! (VBG) - JimA Message: 19 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:56:14 -0700 From: "hollyandroses" <hollyandroses@...> Subject: ebay listing Jim, I looked at your ebay listing. You calling 1957 antique? I thought stuff had to be at least 100 years old to be considered antique. I mean, I was born b4 that and I'm certainly not an antique! Watch it! Went to the URL listed for photos, but it took forever to load and I didn't have time to wait. bob hawley mt angel, oregon New listing JFYI for the HO folks: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344549983 JimA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8586	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Rooms available for NASG convention

Hello, Sadly, I will not be able to attend this year's NASG convention. Since I was a good do-bee I have hotel reservations that I will now need to cancel. (For TWO rooms no less!) Before i cancel i wanted to check to see if anyone needs rooms and if so we may be able to transfer the reservations. (i don't know if this is even possible) If interested, email me off-list before the end of this week for details. A good reservation is a terrible room to waste.? Regards, kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8587	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 5/30/2000
Subject: Baldwin weight

I have added 4 oz. of weight to my favorite AF Baldwin. 2 2oz. Dipsey sinkers, curled around the reverse unit lever behind the" fuel tank". With a rewound motor, new armature bearings, and late style brass wire handrails, repainted in NYC colors incl zebra striped pilots, it looks and runs great. But that was a lot of work. I can see where a replacement chassis might be a hit. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8588	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin weight

You bet! One screw and you running an 8 drive, 2 motor unit. Good part is you can always go back to the orginal chassis with that 1 little screw! Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Baldwin weight > I have added 4 oz. of weight to my favorite AF Baldwin. 2 2oz. Dipsey > sinkers, curled around the reverse unit lever behind the" fuel tank". With > a rewound motor, new armature bearings, and late style brass wire > handrails, repainted in NYC colors incl zebra striped pilots, it looks and > runs great. > > But that was a lot of work. I can see where a replacement chassis might be > a hit. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/4/_/494531/_/959712787/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8589	From: busy-boy	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: American Flyer Antique Train Set & accessorie

Re: American Flyer Antique Train Set & accessorie Item #344549983 Dear Sir or Madam: I have read your descriptions of these items and viewed your photographs. Not all of the trains pictured are American Flyer. Some are much more recently produced. The bulk of the track is not Flyer, nor are the switches ("split-tracks" as you call them). Please post an addendum on your sale page to this effect. I am certain that it is not your intention to mislead any potential buyer. American Flyer items can be identified by a "Made by A.C. Gilbert" embossing somewhere on the item. Thank you, Chris Zizzo The Flyer Buyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8590	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Pikemaster

I like the look of some of the Pikemaster boxcars and tank cars, but have been reluctant to buy any as I have heard that they don't operate very well and the couplers aren't very good. Most of my AF has either operating knuckle couplers or link that I will convert to knuckle. Here are my questions: 1. What are your experiences with the operation of Pikemaster equipment in general? 2. Is it possible/easy to replace the Pikemaster couplers with operating knuckle couplers or does this require replacing the whole truck? 3. Do the Pikemaster couplers operate well or at all with knuckle couplers? Thanks for your help in advance. Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8591	From: Mark Preman	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Hi Gang, The June list is up and it shakes out at almost $55,000. Anybody want anything while I've got it all out? Click on http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark PS. Did you notice the discount books and the Gilbert HO? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8592	From: Rick Evans	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: "The Tehchapi Loop"

Had a good time at the "Loop"!! In my earlier post, I stated there were only three of these in the world, but like I said, Don't quote me on that. I'll do my homework on that one, but the historic marker did say the "Loop" is one of the seven 'Railroad' wonders of the world!! Saw some interesting rolling stock.....semi-truck trailers on special wheels {trucks}..NOT on a flatcar!! Never saw that before! I've always seen 'em on flatcars. The 'Loop' was completed in 1876 by the Southern Pacific Railway Co.. The steep line averages 2.2% in gradient in it's 28 mile length. It was completed in less than two years. It cuts through the mountains with 18 tunnels and 10 bridges. It is a national historic civil engineering landmark. {Condensed info from my t-shirt!} It really must have been somthin' to see the old steam locos chuggin' up this grade!! Also stopped at "Trains etc." in downtown Tehachapi, CA.. A lot of train souvenir type stuff, BUT, they also do sales and repair of Flyer, Marx, and that other train Co......Also had Dept. 56 lights and buildings. I even bought a Flyer mouse pad! Thought I was in heaven for awhile!! They even had some 'S' and 'O' oval tracks set up to run some trains! Really nice people!! I bought so much stuff they even threw in a Flyer pennant{flag} Has anyone used the three foot sections of flyer track made by K-line{I think} ?? Seemed expensive though. Well, gotta go hook up my Marx floodlight tower I bought there!! Take care, & Keep your rails clean! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8593	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pikemaster

Responses below: aag_rlg@... wrote: > > I like the look of some of the Pikemaster boxcars and tank cars, but > have been reluctant to buy any as I have heard that they don't > operate very well and the couplers aren't very good. Most of my AF > has either operating knuckle couplers or link that I will convert to > knuckle. Here are my questions: > > 1. What are your experiences with the operation of Pikemaster > equipment in general? > I mix it withthe older stuff and have no ptoblems except car weight is a little too light. Put it near the back of the train. > 2. Is it possible/easy to replace the Pikemaster couplers with > operating knuckle couplers or does this require replacing the whole > truck? Requires changing the whole truck. > > 3. Do the Pikemaster couplers operate well or at all with knuckle > couplers? > They couple fine with knuckles. The only caveat is that the little tabs tthat hold them closed must not be broken off or they don't couple securely to themselves or other Pikemasters. > Thanks for your help in advance. > Art > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hot off the press- summer's here! > School's out and it's sizzling hot. Whether you're planning a > graduation party, a summer brunch, or simple birthday party, > shop GreatEntertaining.com before your next celebration. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4473/4/_/494531/_/959786428/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8594	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: SHS Track

Hi: Am in the process of using SHS S-trax on grades and elevated sections, some with plywood roadbed, and some with just the track acting as the roadbed. Has anyone come up with interesting ways of attaching the track to the plywood roadbed (other than gluing - and if you did glue, what kind of glue did you use?). Tx for info. [Note: Went with a 4.75+" clearance which is well above the vistadome cars, and gives some elevation to the 644 crane car.] Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8595	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS Track

Velapoldi's wrote: > Has anyone come up with interesting ways of attaching the > track to the plywood roadbed (other than gluing - and if you did glue, > what kind of glue did you use?). I drill a hole in the center of a Tie. Every 6th tie. Then use a wire nail to tack it down. Wood ties I glue down. I made a jig to hold about thirty ties to do all at once. I f you need more specific info. ask Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8596	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: Pikemaster track

Alas, I have misplaced the e-mail address of the S-trains list person I sold some Pikemaster track to a couple of months back. If you are that person, and are interested in three manual switches and a little more curved track, give me a shout. Jim Armstrong jarmstro@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8597	From: James Bartelt	Date: 5/31/2000
Subject: FA: American Flyer Pikemaster train set #20765 on ebay

Hello Group, I have just placed on ebay an American Flyer Pikemaster train set #20765 from 1963. Commonly referred to as the Domino Sugar set in its original box(with insert). Set consists of a 21168 Southern Steam engine with smoke and choo choo, #24059 B&M box car(extremely rare), #24222 Domino Sugar covered hopper(extremely rare), 24575 Bordens milk flat, #24539 Pipe flat with three original orange cardboard pipes, and a #24636 Radio equipped Caboose. Set is missing the transformer. Track has been used and has a few broken ties. I am enclosing a set of Pikemaster Remote turnouts with the set as a bonus. Engine and cars are in great shape. The Auction is located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=347005197 I hope this post is ok on this group. Thanks again. James Bartelt barteltj@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8598	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: PIKEMASTER

Hi Art, Pikemaster couplers tend to break easily and they are molded as one piece with the trucks. They do interact with Knuckle couplers they just will not uncouple with the uncoupler unit. When replacing you would have to replace the whole truck unit with either pikemaster or standard knuckle couplers. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8599	From: Allen Evans	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Re: Securing SHS Track Onto Grades & Elevations

Rance - I used Woodland Scenics foam inclines with a low temperature "cold" glue gun. The gun and low-temp glue sticks are available just about anywhere. The glue is only used to hold the incline in place on the table top. I do not have the S-Trax secured or glued, as it rests quite nicely on the inclines and elevation, and does not shift.. I imagine I could easily glue it or pin or tack it down too, but I am always changing my layout. Woodland Scenics is at: http://www.woodlandscenics.com Regards - Allen Evans Covington, Louisiana Crescent City S Gaugers NASG, NMRA, TTOS ==================================================== >Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:26:53 -0400 > From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> >Subject: SHS Track > >Hi: >Am in the process of using SHS S-trax on grades and elevated sections, >some with plywood roadbed, and some with just the track acting as the >roadbed. Has anyone come up with interesting ways of attaching the >track to the plywood roadbed (other than gluing - and if you did glue, >what kind of glue did you use?). Tx for info. [Note: Went with a 4.75+" >clearance which is well above the vistadome cars, and gives some >elevation to the 644 crane car.] >Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8600	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Replacing Missing Roller from 732 (734) Operating Baggage (Box) Car

Several months ago, I inquired whether anyone had experience in replacing a missing roller from the ramp in a recently purchased 732. Basically, a few wishes of luck, an offer to exchange the ramp unit for a good one, and no spare rollers. Here's how I solved the problem. I took the ramp to my local, neighbor owned hardware store (having no hobby shop within 50 miles). There, I found a steel .078 rod would slip snuggly into the vacant hole. The brass tubing was adjacent to the rod material. I selected four nesting tubes that build it up to the outside diameter of the roller. Home again, I cut the nested tubing to length (the inside width of the ramp - a small amount for clearance) with a fiberglass-reinforced Dremel cutoff disk. This is one operation for all the nested tubes. I cut the rod to the outside width of the ramp. I inserted the rod from the outside (the coil was not removed from the other side). Slipped the nested tubes in and the rod went right through to the other side. I tacked the outside of the rod with a small amount of Elmer's "Siliconized Acrylic Latex Squeez'N Caulk" (wonderful stuff - sets up clear). Result - the replacement roller turns more freely than the originals. I had to file the end off the floor, as it was too long for the body to fit properly. I wonder if the body shrank or if the floor lengthened over ~ 50 years. Anyone? Keep the restorations coming. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8601	From: honkelrs	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: A C Valu S gauge compatible track

Good Morning from Central Oregon ! This is my initial communication to all of you on-line at egroups, so Howdy ! I am looking for a source of supply of the A.C. Valu company's S gauge track. I know they are no longer in business but I am trying to find an alternate source of supply. Charles Ro has none in stock and that was my best hope up till now. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Russ Sanford : email at honkelrs@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8602	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Fw: TrainMaster

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Doherty" <Thomas@...> Subject: Re: TrainMaster > Hi Folks, > We are working with Tom Hobson of American HiRail for the Trainmaster body. > I expect to have one in my fat little hands by Friday. If anyone is > interested we will have it on display this weekend at the Fort Washington > Greenberg show. Will try to get a photo on our web site next week if we get > a moment. > > We are responsible for the chassis and handrails. Don't know yet who is > going to do decorating. The current design is to make HiRail and Scale > wheeled versions (6 wheel trucks) using the same design we have under the > Baldwin. We are expecting to power all 12 wheels and build the truck with > the offset center axle.This is all tentative since testing has not been > started but "It looks good on paper". > > Tom H. has asked to be kept out of the loop for small quantities of this > body. He will still talk about larger quantities but he would greatly > appreciate all small orders going thru us. This allows him more time to do > what he does best and we can apparently ship things easier than he! Please > honor his request! > > If the testing goes well we will be delivering this unit before the end of > this year. I don't want to commit to a date now since we have some > challenges left to handle. > Tom D. > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8603	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] Re: New "S"tuff

Afraid not Gary. Tom hobson has made a fairly close to scale unit and we will make a Hirail version to fit A.F. track. The Scale version will be as close as we can get it providing we find enough folks who can run on wider radius curves. The RDC was the first S gauge unit to be run on on A.F. track. If you wanted a scale version, the omnicon was STILL available new from both Don heimberger and Omnicon so there was no reason to make another scale length car. The thing to remeber here is you can,t run an ocean liner in your backyard pool! Keep an eye on the website and we'll try to keep all informed! Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gary.L.Ippolito@...> To: <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: [S-Scale] Re: New "S"tuff > Bill Wade wrote: > >While it was our intent to announce Trainmasters at the Spring S Spree, > >another manufacturer beat us to the punch. PHM will have them out later > >this year. > > > Billy, > If you've started development of a Trainmaster, please continue in your > efforts. I get the feeling that Pennsylvania Heritage Models is merely > testing the waters by "announcing" these projects. Last week it was the > BL-2, this week it is the Trainmaster, next week it will probably be an > RSD12. I worried that if PHM does make one, it will be a 2/3 length hirail > version with a minimum radius of 20" to permit the car to navigate flyer > track like the RDC. > Gary > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/1/_/576498/_/959886113/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8604	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Pikemaster

Art: Pikemaster couplers, for all their cheapness, work pretty much flawlessly. They couple to regular knuckles with no problem and they hold well. The problems with them are that they are indeed integral with the truck and not easily replaced but they are easily broken by mishandling or even poor packing and storage. If you get good ones and treat them well, you should get good service from them. The cars they were installed on were all very lightweight. I don't know how well the Pikemaster would fare near the head end of a long and heavy train as I've never done that. I put Pikemaster cars near the end of a train because they are so light and tend to roll over on curves. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8605	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Escargot (S-car go)

Hi--- See posts on Pikemaster and car handling (Chris). Is there any understanding/guide on flyer cars and how they handle? Seems some are more prone to derail in curves than others? In running consist of Flyer-SHS and AA, sometimes potluck makes it all work, and other times one car consistently derails--sometimes it depends on what engine is at work. Insanity case here and there!!! Learned behavior dictates what to avoid, but some cars seem bewitched nonetheless? JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8606	From: Scott Brown	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Manassas Rail Festival

Ok, anyone in the Washington DC, Northern Virginia, and Maryland area, this saturday, June 3rd, from 10 am to 4 pm, is the Manassas Rail Festival in Manassas, Virginia. There will be trains galore !! The VRE will be giving rides on their new double decker passenger cars, Amtrak will bring one of their streamliners, Norfolk Southern will have an exhibit car, there will be vendors, food, and best of all ........ the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers / Washington & Old Dominion Chapter will have our first showing of our modular layout there. We met for the first time this past February and have managed to build 10 straight and 4 corner modules since then. Members from the Central Virginia Chapter (Wayne Beachy and Mike Myers) will also bring modules and run with us. We will be located in the parking lot, right behind the train station. If you need directions, just email me off list. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers / Washington & Old Dominion Chapter sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8607	From: Steve Jones	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: S Fest 2000 Update

The Badgerland S Gaugers are preparing to mail the registration forms for the Fall S Fest so I thought I'd send a note out to the list. If you are interested in registering for S Fest and are not sure that we have your name and address please contact the S Fest Committee so we can send you the forms. Their contact information is on the S Fest WWW site. We recently updated the S Fest WWW page with current information about our plans and activities. Please check it out at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/S-Fest-frame.htm. If you, want to join the S Fest E-mail list go to the S Fest WWW site where there is a E-Mail list sign up option. Reminder: even if you sign up for the E-mail list we still need your U.S. Mail address to get the registration packet to you. If you have a WWW site with a links or events area we’d appreciate you adding a link to our S Fest site. Mailings will be completed in the next few weeks so any help you can provide in getting the word out is very much appreciated (hint: don't forget customers, club members, co-workers, friends, etc.) “S”incerely, The Badgerland S Gaugers - S Fest Team

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8608	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/1/2000
Subject: Flyer freight cars

Some Flyer freight cars run better than others and derail less. This can sometimes be due to the design of the car, and other times to bent or misaligned wheels, trucks, axles, couplers. The lightest are the hardest to keep on track. These are the pikemaster cars and the plastic flat cars. The flatcars are the lightest but most have hollows on the underside that can have weights stuck in them with a non-permanent cement. Loads also help. Pikemaster cars have much lighter trucks -- those cast side KC freight car trucks really lower the center of gravity on a car, and Pikemaster cars suffer from a lack of this.Next are the hoppers and gondolas. Again, a load helps. Hopper cars have a funky design and the sheel flanges tend to rub up against the bottoms of the hoppers. This can make a car behave erratically. Gondolas operate better if weighted or loaded. Cabooses and boxcars have metal floors and are usually OK. Action cars are usually pretty heavy and track well. Some can be top heavy. The crane can be too heavy sometimes. One thing I am dissatisfied with is that link cars converted to KC do not operate as well as KC cars. The coupler ends up sticking out too far, and can derail the car on curves, esp. when coupled to a regular KC car. I'm thinking of converting them back to LC. Another is that I have had great difficulty getting sprung and equalized trucks to stay on the track when mated with Flyer rolling stock. Not everyone seems to have this problem. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8609	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR

A final reminder that the Spring 2000 King's Cross Railway Book Fair is to be held at Keen House, the headquarters of the Model Railway Club (http://www.themodelrailwayclub.org/index.html), at 4, Calshot Street, London, N1, tomorrow, Saturday 3rd June 2000, between 11:00 and 15:30. Admission is just £1 and refreshments will be available all day from the Club's licensed bar. Further details are available from me direct. Mark P. Baker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8610	From: Unknown	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer freight cars

Don't forget out of gauge wheels. I don't know what the proper wheel gauge is for Flyer but I have seen wheel sets that are obviously narrow gauged and have corrected them by eye. jarcho@... writes: > Some Flyer freight cars run better than others and derail less. This can > sometimes be due to the design of the car, and other times to bent or > misaligned wheels, trucks, axles, couplers. > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/4/_/494531/_/959920585/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8611	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: LC to KC conversions

I've found these work as well as stock KC's. One thing you might try is to add a little extra kink to the knee of the metal tongue that supports the coupler. That helps pull the coupler in closer to the car and allows you to adjust the newly installed KC so its level and at a height that matches stock KC's. I've converted passenger and freight cars with lots of success. I like KC's better that LC's, especially for uncoupling ease. However, I run both and have a couple of transistion cars (half LC/KC). Sometimes I do wish I hadn't converted my aluminum 661 coaches so they'd be closer together, but other times, I'm glad I did. PS I use short 5x56 bolts with double nuts on them instead of the split-pin. Looks better. Works just as well. RShack has them. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8612	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Coon Gap Sawmill Status

Howdy Friends Several of you have expressed interest in the sawmill and wanted to be kept updated on the availability. The last available Silver Edition (sound) sold yesterday. We have two Silver Edition kits that were reserved, and if we do not hear from the fellow real soon, they will be available to you. Let us know if you want on the waiting list. There are less than ten of the standard Coon Gap Sawmill kits left available. Thanks, and take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8613	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 645

Tunnel height should be 4.25" if you want to run a Franklin &/or Washington with their tall smoke stack (they are not 1/64 scale like other Flyer, they are 1/48 and are within 1/8" track gauge of being On3. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8614	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Three months ago I ordered a Showcase Lines SW-1 and an extended window caboose from my local dealer in Manchester NH. He in turn ordered it from his distributor on Long Island. As these were a gift to me from a group of very special people I was really looking forward to receiving the equipment. As weeks grew into months I became increasingly frustrated. My dealer got new excuses each week, eg, they haven't been shipped yet, they are back ordered, and lately, no answers. With my dealers ok, i contacted Don Thompson @SHS directly about the distributor. Don tried to get hold of him but couldn't get a response to either calls or e-mails. Also, hasn't had an oder from the distributor since last Nov. Don told me to have my dealer conttact him directly as they were running out of the livery I wanted on the caboose. Dealer called Saturday and placed the order. Got a call from the dealerTuesday saying the order is being shipped and should have it by the end of the week. Got a call from the dealer toda, they arrived, one week after I first contacted Don. We all have a tendency to _itch and complain of bad service, as we should. It is a pleasure to also report the great service of Don and his crew. Don, Thanks a bunch!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8615	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] LC to KC conversions

I'll be darned! I didn't think anyone else bent the coupler tongues to get closer coupling. I do it and it really improves the looks by reducing that ridiculous spacing. I actually converted my link coupler passenger cars, coaches and hesvyweights, back to Link for the same reason ands they look great now. david_horn@... wrote: > > I've found these work as well as stock KC's. One thing you might try is to > add a little extra kink to the knee of the metal tongue that supports the > coupler. That helps pull the coupler in closer to the car and allows you to > adjust the newly installed KC so its level and at a height that matches > stock KC's. I've converted passenger and freight cars with lots of > success. I like KC's better that LC's, especially for uncoupling ease. > However, I run both and have a couple of transistion cars (half LC/KC). > Sometimes I do wish I hadn't converted my aluminum 661 coaches so they'd be > closer together, but other times, I'm glad I did. > > PS I use short 5x56 bolts with double nuts on them instead of the > split-pin. Looks better. Works just as well. RShack has them. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/4/_/494531/_/959955178/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8616	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: "A kink in the knee"

To David H. and Chuck S.,... I'm trying to get a visual on this 'bending of the tongues'. Kinda hard to draw me a picture through the list....but could you explain a little further? I need more input before I try this! Sounds like a good idea. Thanks!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8617	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "A kink in the knee"

You have to be brave enough to bend the coupler tongues back on thermselves almost double to form a "z" shape. I get the feeling if I do this enough I'll eventually break one. After forming the metal tongue looks kinda like this, doubled back on itself: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX After bending you have to adjust(further bend) the whole affair up or down as necessary to adjust the coupler height. Sounds a little whacky but it works and takes a good 3/8" or so per coupler out of the car spacing. Rick Evans wrote: > > To David H. and Chuck S.,... > I'm trying to get a visual on this 'bending of the tongues'. Kinda hard to draw me > a picture through the list....but could you explain a little further? I need more input > before I try this! Sounds like a good idea. > Thanks!! > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/4/_/494531/_/960018523/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8618	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 4, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8619	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/3/2000
Subject: Jeff Gordon from amazon

I just got my 1/64 Scale Trailer Rig: Jeff Gordon from amazon. This truck is closer to 1/48th. The pit crew is 1/64th but needs to be painted. I guess 'you get what you pay for'. The pair of Cat D6H look great as a flat car load.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8620	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: First Show

Saturday the Washington and Old Dominion Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers ran their new modules for the first time at a train show. As is every show there were some very exciting times and Mike Myers and I from the Virginia Central Division had the privilege of running with them. The occasion was the Manassas (VA) Railroad festival. They ran a 14' X 26' layout under a tent in the parking lot of the train station. An electrical storm had rolled through the area the night before and we were told there was no power in the area, but the power company was working on that. It turned out we were told wrong. The power pole we were using was the only one without power so we were the only club not running when the show opened. When we finally realized this we took the situation into our own hands and ran over 100' of drop cords to another power pole. This worked but we had not had an opportunity to overcome the kinks during set-up, especially since this was the Division's first ever time running the layout. It was embarrassing for people to watch us running around trying to get things going, but we finally did no thanks to the show organizers. Our other problem was it was still quite windy in the morning and table skirts and other small items kept blowing around. We also overcame that also. After all that the show was quite fun. It was a sunny, cool, day. The Washington and Old Dominion members have lots of operating accessories on their modules with buttons placed so that the visitors can operate them. And the visitors did. What a great way to promote the fun of American Flyer and toy trains. As usual, S gauge was the hit of the show as the other clubs' trains, including O tinplate, just ran around and around and around. Our trains did occasionally come uncoupled, but remember we were in the parking lot and the parking lot was on a slight slope. If one is going downgrade when the trains come uncoupled just slow down or stop and let the back of the train catch up, recouple automatically, then carry on. David Horn was a great engineer, even if he did run WAY TOO FAST and crash old 99 in the curve at the bottom of the hill. Mike Myers only runs vintage steam and we have discovered that in many of his engines MTH liquid smoke fluid works best. Even outside with the breeze one of his Pacifics was producing enough smoke for the children (and adults sometimes) to want to move closer to the table and complain about the smoke being too thick and smelly. Of course they would do this over and over again every time the train came around. And the crowd loved Bill Novak's colorful, homemade circus train and David's American Models GG1 pulling Scott Brown's custom painted Pennsy streamline. Scott and I tried to run his Union Pacific with railsounds and my Western Pacific with railsounds. Unfortunately, however, I was unlucky and after only a couple of trips around the spring in my sliding pick-up shoe broke and I had to pull my train off the track. Also, thanks to Chris Burger and Steven Brown, Scott's son, who did wonderful jobs talking to visitors and running accessories. The Washington and Old Dominion's next show will be the Greenberg show in Chantilly in July. This club will really grow in the future. If you are in the Northern Virginia, or Washington DC area and want to have fun and run some S gauge trains, contact Scott Brown or David Horn, both are on this list, or myself. Also contact us if you live anywhere along the mid Atlantic area as we have divisions from North Carolina to Virginia and are in the process of forming more. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR M&M Railroad, Tin Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8621	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Cad Drawing program - Free

I downloaded a new Cad program the other day. This is great for creating blueprints and sketches. It is called Intellicad 2000 and is very similar to Autocad. Because I know autocad I was able to use it after a few minutes. It is free from http://www.cadopia.com/ It is compatible with autocad drawings and can also output to .bmp for web use. Enjoy Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8622	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: New Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Website

The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers have a new, but temporary website: http://sgauge.homestead.com/ACSGindex.html . We will be using this website until I figure out how to use the trainweb pages we have. J. Wayne Beachy Midlothian & Manchester RR M&M Railroad, Tin Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8623	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: So?

So, who was the dopey distributor on Long Island? Maybe if we all knew, we could avoid him too. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8624	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] So?

Dear Chris, You might not need to worry as they do not sell direct. Don Thompson P.S. Why do you assume it is a him? busy-boy wrote: > So, who was the dopey distributor on Long Island? Maybe if we all knew, we > could avoid him too. > > Chris Zizzo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books, > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to > http://click.egroups.com/1/4778/4/_/494531/_/960146720/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8625	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 4, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8626	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Re: So?

Don is right. The reason I posted was to compliment Don and his crew. Also to make everyone aware if they are getting delays from their local shop, have them contact Don direct, and bypass the "distributor". AF (True, not Ly-inL) and Hi-Rail forever!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8627	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: DC operation

Hi, We have had a lot of rain and poor weather in the midwest so I have spent my free time on the layout rather than fishing. With the help of the people on this list I have converted to dc operation. I really enjoy the operation of the trains, much smoother starts and no more hum from the engine or tender. And the workman caboose is a joy to have on the track, it was so loud I seldom put it in a train. Thanks to all who helped me out. I tried the DC output on a 706 remote uncoupler, it was also nice and quiet. Can I do any damage to these devices by using dc rather than ac? If not it seems like something I'd like to try. One more question, what if my converted to dc engines have ac applied to them? (I know I left myself wide open with this question with a group like this) Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8628	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/4/2000
Subject: Trucks for sale on eBay

Hi all, For those interested,....I was playing around on eBay and typed in "trucks" and hit search. Various scales of trucks showed up. Seemed to be a lot of 'S' scale trucks there. If you are looking for layout trucks, ya might check it out. I bid on a few!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8629	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trainmasters

We are looking for a color phot to show the details. If anyone can help, it would be appreciated. There is supposed to be one in a Reading diesel power book (vol # 1) but I have not found one yet. Also, is there anyone interested indoing the decorating? We have a scheduling problem and need to farm this work out if possible. If not, the schedule will be in jepordey. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Elems" <gelems@...> To: <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Trainmasters > I hope the PHM Trainmaster is offered in the FM demonstrator paint > scheme. Maybe they will take a que from MTH and offer it as one first > run schemes. Barring that, an undec will acceptable. Remember the > Alco RSD's that C&O bought, and the C-630's that NW owned that had > FM trucks. Food for thought. > > Greg Elems > Reno, NV > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 2 FREE books at eHarlequin.com.Indulge in our romantic books, > recipes and getaway ideas. Take your romantic escape today to > http://click.egroups.com/1/4778/1/_/576498/_/960128447/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8630	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: S in the Mainstream - CTT

Congratulations to S-Helper Service! The SW-1 got a great review in the July 2K CTT. Should help to further the cause. It's jut too bad CTT photographed the SW-1 derailed in the lead photo. Obviously, the were so stunned by how great the SW-1 is, they didn't notice! Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8631	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: An alternative to "A kink in the knee"

The kink sounds good. One other method I've seen, but have not tried, is to cut the tongue, overlap the two cut ends by about 3/8" and then fasten back together with a small self-tapping sheet metal screw. This was done on several of the aluminum passenger cars and did a good job of closing the gap when converting to knuckle couplers. Bill Novak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8632	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: Link couplers that don't stay coupled

This past weekend, in getting ready for the first running of the Washington & Old Dominion Chapter modular layout of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, I was faced with a problem of link couplers not doing their job on my home-crafted circus train. After a bit of thought, and realizing I needed to do something to keep the links from jumping or otherwise coming up and uncoupling, I discovered a solution. After coupling the cars together I took a very thin 1-1/2" diameter rubber band (the kind that the supermarkets use to hold a bunch of green onions together with) and doubled it up. Using a small pointed tool (in this case, a plastic shaft from one of my son's darts) I attached the rubber band to one of the coupler pins that the links hold to. I then pulled it across the top of the two links and attached it to the other pin. The rubber band holds the links down but also has enough flexibility to allow the trucks to swivel freely when going around curves. Needless to say, it worked perfectly - not a single uncoupling or derailment. Of course, the drawback is that it is not easy to uncouple cars, that's why this is best for train operations that don't require breaking up or adding to a train. I'm now going to try to find black rubber bands (the ones I used were blue) which will make them less visible. Bill Novak Arlington, Virginia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8633	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S in the Mainstream - CTT

In a message dated 6/5/00 8:08:18 AM, rich.gajnak@... writes: << It's just too bad CTT photographed the SW-1 derailed in the lead photo. Obviously, the were so stunned by how great the SW-1 is, they didn't notice! >> I was very glad to see the fine review, too, but also noticed the photographic carelessness. Bob Keller also referred incorrectly to an 'SW-7' rather than to the SW-9. CTT is regularly more than a bit careless about editorial proofing, particularly when it comes to S gauge. I do wonder, as well, where they came up with their "benchmark" sample of the Flyer GP (or their measurements?). Typically, Gilbert GPs that I pull out of my collection to run will do roughly 30 scale mph at 10 volts (not 80!) and climb to faster speeds than the SW-1 (or 9) as one raises the voltage. Most Gilbert-built engines run at 0 mph at 7 volts -- purposely done to permit the reversing unit to stay engaged and thereby maintain direction upon reapplication of power. A vintage AF diesel in need of general maintanance can jump to some fairly high speed in the process of overcoming friction as voltage is raised. The three Flyonel GPs that I own (48009*, 48007, and 48014) are faster, but still do not run that fast at the low end. The new SHS engines are undoubtedly smoother and have much better low voltage speed control than the old GP's, but I do wonder about their comparison sample. Any thoughts, friends? RB * PS: A very good and smooth runner for some unknown reason :-)!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8634	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: ATSF

With all the new motive power coming on line, I would like to put in for ATSF warbonnet schemes on ANY diesel - for a high-rail runner (at least this one) it doesn't really matter if the SF ran them or not (although I will probably change my thinking with all the AA this will generate) - I think the colors are great. Please advise if any of the engines will be in ATSF. Tx Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8635	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Congrats to the ACSG!

Wayne, it's so exciting to read about your club's exploits here and in the S Gaugian! You've done a lot in a short period of time, and it's benefitting us all. The Atlantic Coast S Gaugers' idea of promoting S to the public at shows is the best way to promote our scale, gaining "newbies" to the hobby as well as converts from other scales. My hat is off to you and your fellow members, and I hope other clubs will continue to carry the S torch by displaying layouts at shows. The Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers will be participating in our club's biggest show yet in two weeks. We've got some surprises in store for the public with our layout, Lookout Junction, and we anticipate several tens of thousands to see it. If any of you are in the Boise, Idaho area June 23-25, stop in and run some trains with us at the 7th Annual Treasure Valley Train Show in downtown Boise. We're defending our People's Choice Award against 12 other clubs (we're the only S club), so your vote would be appreciated. In three tries, we haven't lost yet! The public just loves the magic of Flyer/AM/SHS trains and accessories. Hardly boring, right? YourS, John Eichmann, Coordinator Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8636	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S in the Mainstream - CTT

Dear Rich, Keith, et.al, We were not upset here at SHS over the derailed SW-1. I guess we were so excited about the SW-1 being the lead review in the April 2000 Model Railroader that we could not possible even think o being upset with Kalmbach. You know, sometimes, when little things are not perfect, like this one, the product gets even more notice than if every thing was right. Just think, the SW-1 was mentioned in both of the major S gauge e-mail lists 4 times now because of this minor error. If it had been on the track, maybe no one would have sent any e-mail about it at all! Don Thompson P.S. In less than 90 days, the SW-1s are now over 60% sold out. We would like to thank everyone who purchase one of these (and our other products) for their support. rbubeck327@... wrote: > In a message dated 6/5/00 8:08:18 AM, rich.gajnak@... writes: > > << It's just too bad CTT photographed the SW-1 derailed in the lead photo. > Obviously, the were so stunned by how great the SW-1 is, they didn't > notice! >> > > I was very glad to see the fine review, too, but also noticed the > photographic carelessness. Bob Keller also referred incorrectly to an 'SW-7' > rather than to the SW-9. CTT is regularly more than a bit careless about > editorial proofing, particularly when it comes to S gauge. > > I do wonder, as well, where they came up with their "benchmark" sample of the > Flyer GP (or their measurements?). Typically, Gilbert GPs that I pull out of > my collection to run will do roughly 30 scale mph at 10 volts (not 80!) and > climb to faster speeds than the SW-1 (or 9) as one raises the voltage. Most > Gilbert-built engines run at 0 mph at 7 volts -- purposely done to permit the > reversing unit to stay engaged and thereby maintain direction upon > reapplication of power. A vintage AF diesel in need of general maintanance > can jump to some fairly high speed in the process of overcoming friction as > voltage is raised. The three Flyonel GPs that I own (48009*, 48007, and > 48014) are faster, but still do not run that fast at the low end. The new > SHS engines are undoubtedly smoother and have much better low voltage speed > control than the old GP's, but I do wonder about their comparison sample. > Any thoughts, friends? > > RB > > * PS: A very good and smooth runner for some unknown reason :-)! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/4/_/494531/_/960221917/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8637	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ATSF

Rance etal, How about an RDC. We have the early "small warbonnet"in stock. The later one is just about ready. (The post "wreck" red end with wide yellow band vertically to top of door, and of course, the wide "war bonnet") We are doing these in both # DC191 and DC192. Tom D. @ Paheritagemodels.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> To: "strains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ATSF > With all the new motive power coming on line, I would like to put in for > ATSF warbonnet schemes on ANY diesel - for a high-rail runner (at least > this one) it doesn't really matter if the SF ran them or not (although I > will probably change my thinking with all the AA this will generate) - I > think the colors are great. Please advise if any of the engines will be > in ATSF. Tx > Rance > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations. > Remember the good 'ol days > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/4/_/494531/_/960230009/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8638	From: D Simon	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Value help

Can anyone give me a realistic value for a 470/471/473 set of engines? My local hobby shop has a set and I dont really know what to pay. they are chromed in very goog condition. there are some marks on the engines but none of the chrome is peeling. They also run very nice thanks Dave ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8639	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Boise show

Good luck! Hope you win again. Please provide us all some access to photos. Would love to be there but won't be in Idaho at the time, so photos will have to do. Thanks. PS How does the "contest" work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8640	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Streamlined K4

Well, the AM Streamlined PRR K4 has been available now at least a couple of months, but I haven't heard peep about it from anyone. Have any of you bought one, if so do you like it? I saw one running at York at the Super Smoke table. I had been seriously thinking of buying one, but there are still too many ACG classics on my wish list. Frankly, the AM K4 was not all that impressive. The paint appeared a bit on the dull side (green). I didn't have the chance to pick it up or operate it, but somehow it left me with the feeling of "ehhh" maybe later. How 'bout you? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8641	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: New List

Hi all, We have posted our new list which is now 5 pages long to help speed up download time. The rolling stock page may take longer that the other four as it is a bit larger, but well worth the wait. Also check out the other updated pages about the New Haven Train Show and A.C. Gilbert Factory tour. John and Robin Vanacore http://www.afstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8642	From: Novak, William	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: New On-line Dealer

This past week a new dealer in AF has come on line. His name is Marty Cohen and he lives in Oceanside, NY. He always has an extensive list of available items (over 2000 on his June list!) including many rare things such as Gabe the Lamplighter, Seaboard Coalers, etc. I've dealt with Marty for a number of years using his monthly mailing list and have found him to be honest in his descriptions of items, fair in his pricing, and quick to mail orders. Although he would never "bargain" over the price of an item I did find that if a newly listed item did not sell the first month, he might lower the price when listed the second month. You could always wait a month for a lower price, taking the risk that someone else might buy it though. Overall, I think you can get better buys from Marty than on e-Bay. And, he takes Visa and Mastercard and allows return of any item within 5 days for a full refund. Try getting that out of e-Bay! His Internet address is: www.martystrains.com Take a look. Bill Novak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8643	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Streamlined

Dear David, I too saw the AM streamline K-4, but I know that it was a pre-production sample. When I talked to Ron at the Spree, he told me that the container had not left China yet, so I do not think that these are available yet. Don Thompson P.S. Brunswick green (I wish they had called it Brunswick black) was not very bright at all. Only in very bright sunlight does it even look a little bit like green. I lived along the NY&LB RR and saw lots of PRR steam and diesel and I thought they were all black. It was not until I became a modeler did I find out the color was a very dark shade of green. david_horn@... wrote: > Well, the AM Streamlined PRR K4 has been available now at least a couple of > months, but I haven't heard peep about it from anyone. Have any of you > bought one, if so do you like it? > > I saw one running at York at the Super Smoke table. I had been seriously > thinking of buying one, but there are still too many ACG classics on my wish > list. Frankly, the AM K4 was not all that impressive. The paint appeared a > bit on the dull side (green). I didn't have the chance to pick it up or > operate it, but somehow it left me with the feeling of "ehhh" maybe later. > How 'bout you? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/4/_/494531/_/960296762/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8644	From: Bill Porter	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] HESS

Thanks Ted, I ran out to get mine here in Florida after I received your note. Besides my layout needs, I have a small collection of vehicles and two grandsons. All of that required stops at two Hess stations on Northlake Boulevard Military trail and Ibis) near West Palm Beach to satisfy those requirements. The truck is very nice and it looks even better when the lights are on. If anyone lives nearby - Yorke types or others - the two stations still seem to have a good supply. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Ted R Larson <mhrreast@...> To: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: [S-Scale] HESS > >HESS gas stations began selling their annual truck May 26. At today's >RASG meeting today, one member brought one. It is a 30's S scale gas >truck with operating lights. $5!!!!!!!!!!!! I stopped at my local Hess >on the way home. They are already sold out of 20 cases! If you want >one, better hurry. > >Ted Larson >Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division > BABY Peregrine Falcons >http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Phone bills too big? Don't worry, beMANY! >http://click.egroups.com/1/4113/1/_/576498/_/960245637/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8645	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New On-line Dealer

I fully agree with Bill's assessment. My experience has been that Marty's wares were delivered as presented, unlike others (well known to this list) I've dealt with, and he's a real gentleman. I'm not a collector, but I can say that what I received from him was "top shelf" quality--beautiful, almost like new when offered as VG. Wow! -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Novak, William [mailto:wjnovak@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:24 PM To: 'S-Trains@egroups.com' Subject: [S-Trains] New On-line Dealer This past week a new dealer in AF has come on line. His name is Marty Cohen and he lives in Oceanside, NY. He always has an extensive list of available items (over 2000 on his June list!) including many rare things such as Gabe the Lamplighter, Seaboard Coalers, etc. I've dealt with Marty for a number of years using his monthly mailing list and have found him to be honest in his descriptions of items, fair in his pricing, and quick to mail orders. Although he would never "bargain" over the price of an item I did find that if a newly listed item did not sell the first month, he might lower the price when listed the second month. You could always wait a month for a lower price, taking the risk that someone else might buy it though. Overall, I think you can get better buys from Marty than on e-Bay. And, he takes Visa and Mastercard and allows return of any item within 5 days for a full refund. Try getting that out of e-Bay! His Internet address is: www.martystrains.com Take a look. Bill Novak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Old school buds here: http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/4/_/494531/_/960311829/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8646	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] DC operation

See notes below Wayne Zebron wrote: > > Hi, > > We have had a lot of rain and poor weather in the midwest so I have spent > my free time on the layout rather than fishing. With the help of the people > on this list I have converted to dc operation. I really enjoy the operation > of the trains, much smoother starts and no more hum from the engine or > tender. And the workman caboose is a joy to have on the track, it was so > loud I seldom put it in a train. Thanks to all who helped me out. > > I tried the DC output on a 706 remote uncoupler, it was also nice and > quiet. Can I do any damage to these devices by using dc rather than ac? If > not it seems like something I'd like to try. Not sure, so watch them for overheating. Shouldn't be a problem with solenoids that are used for momentary contact like uncouplers. > > One more question, what if my converted to dc engines have ac applied to > them? (I know I left myself wide open with this question with a group like > this) If you put a rectifier in series with the armature or field to make them DC for polarity reversing then they won't run on AC and shouldn't have AC applied for more than a moment. This is because the armature can't stay in phase with the field on AC after the rectifier has been added in. If you have not converted the motors then they can run on AC or DC with the original sequence reverse. May be a moot point since the improvement over sequence reverse is the main reason for going to DC. > > Thanks, > Wayne > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/4/_/494531/_/960176537/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8647	From: John Craft	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Streamlined

Don, Bill Lane is on this list so I am sure that we have a very PRECISE answer but it is my understanding that "Brunswick Green was 19 parts black and one part green. > Don Thompson > P.S. Brunswick green (I wish they had called it Brunswick black) was not very > bright at all. Only in very bright sunlight does it even look a little bit like > green. I lived along the NY&LB RR and saw lots of PRR steam and diesel and I > thought they were all black. It was not until I became a modeler did I find out > the color was a very dark shade of green.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8648	From: John Craft	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Model Railroad News

I would like to take the time to thank Art for sending a letter to the editor. You all may find the June issue interesting because it focuses on structures. Did you know that there are structures in S? More than I ever thought! The only rolling stock that I mentioned was the SHS Christmas car and a few special runs that have been out there for a while, as in my monthly plug for the NASG.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8649	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 6/6/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S, & O scales

538 MP 69' woodchip hopper car. (1-81) Set will letter 1 car. White lettering. Delta Models kit. Painted boxcar red. 539 KCS 89' auto parts car. (10-64) Set will letter 2 cars. Yellow & black lettering. Athearn Kit. Painted white. 540 CNW FMC grain hopper. (6-95) Set will letter 1 car. Yellow lettering, has the small CNW red, black & white CNW system herald. MDC kit. Painted CNW dark green. 541 Herzog 41' ballast car. (9-94) Set will letter 1 car. Has large black Herzog letters. Black lettering. Painted off white. Walthers kit. 542 Wisconsin Electric Power Company 50' Max gon. (9-96) Set will letter 1 car. White & black lettering. Aluminum body. E&C kit. 543 Wisconsin Electric Power Company 50' Max gon. (9-96) Set will letter 1 car. White & black lettering. Black body. E&C kit. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month or so. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8650	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] ATSF

Robert, Our product line varies depending on what we are running at the time. We currently have the chassis for the Corgi PCC in both S gauge and O gauge. the body is actually 1/50th scale so it is a little over size for S but it is a low profile car and an awful lot of S gaugers are overlooking that issue. We also manufacute an RDC which is primarily designed for the Hirail guys. It is described on our web page (paheritagemodels.com) along with the adjustable chassis, a brass 4 wheeel street car, and the latest - the baldwin (AF) replacement chassis. We try to get the product info on the web page as soon as we have a final design and have tested the prototypes to our satisfaction. To elaborate on the RDC war bonnet- We have added a second set of roadnames to our RDC and are in the process of decorating some of the units as we have body shells available. We picked the 2 different Santa Fe scences since they are both neat! The first one we have competed is the early version which has a thinner, smaller warbonnet on the silver car end. We are trying to get photos on the web of this, and the others we have completed but can't get it squeezed into the schedule for a couple more days. Best advice here is to wait a day or 2 and check the web again. We are currently buildng a test chassis for the Train Master and hope to have that functional by weeks end.Then the "fun" begins. The shells will be available for those who want to go ahead and start decorating, powering or whatever, by next week. We are also going to try to get the shell on the web this week. Tahnks for your inquiry, TOm D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert W. Jackson To: Thomas@... Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] ATSF Tom, Please elaborate about the Warbonnet RDCs. I don't mean about the paint scheme etc., but about the model itself. What is it made of? What is the mechanism? What does it cost? In short everything that a customer would want to know before buying. I just today got my first issue of Model Railroad News and noticed your ad for the PCC cars. I had no idea that you were making them, but that explains your earlier message regarding street cars and the note to Dick Karnes about the PCCs from Hoquat. What else are you producing (not the Trainmaster in which I have no interest)? Thanks. Bob Jackson Thomas@... wrote: Rance etal, How about an RDC. We have the early "small warbonnet"in stock. The later one is just about ready. (The post "wreck" red end with wide yellow band vertically to top of door, and of course, the wide "war bonnet") We are doing these in both # DC191 and DC192. Tom D. @ Paheritagemodels.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> To: "strains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: [S-Trains] ATSF > With all the new motive power coming on line, I would like to put in for > ATSF warbonnet schemes on ANY diesel - for a high-rail runner (at least > this one) it doesn't really matter if the SF ran them or not (although I > will probably change my thinking with all the AA this will generate) - I > think the colors are great. Please advise if any of the engines will be > in ATSF. Tx > Rance > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8651	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Flyer Track Gang Accessory on e-Bay

Gang, I am not one to advertise on the lists and I have no connection to the seller, but I wanted to draw your attention to one of the cleanest Flyer 594 Track Gang Accessories I've ever seen. No one has bid, probably because bidding started at $1500. I don't know why guys do this. He has a reserve anyway, so he could have started at one dollar. At least then a bid would roll up. Anyway, that's not what I wanted to talk about, so please, no debate. Just go look at this marvelous thing, there are good pictures. And if you have deep pockets, you should treat yourself well! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=349408010 Enjoy! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8652	From: Don Abrams	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: timbauerrarecoins alert

He's back! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344164651 The same 371. revicam got it for a mere $700 this time. Wasn't it $1,200 last time before this seller was booted? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8653	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: flyer want list

Hi guys, I got a call from a guy in Western Washington whose selling his flyer collection. My wife took the message, so I don't have many details. All she got was 30 engines, 100 cars, and a dozen accessories. I'll be contacting the guy on Friday night and will see him on Sunday at a train meet. Being a poor school teacher, I have little funds to purchase things (I've got 0-6-0 dreams on a junk box budget). But, if anyoneone on the list would like to send me an off-list want list and the price you would like to pay for desired item(s), I'll check and see if he has it. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8654	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer Track Gang Accessory on e-Bay

I'm Baaaaack!!! My email is apparently fixed. They had a problem with their programming, and figured it out, thanks to my forwarding them egroups technical message to me. Except!! I'm on my way outa town for nieces' graduations. Be back after Sunday. RATS!! Gonna miss another fun chat session. Y'all mind yer manners, hear? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8655	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/7/2000
Subject: OOPS!! My firs post in a while and I forgot to change the title!

Sorry about that! BTW, I did look at the pics, it does look loverly. However, $1,500 is going for the roof over my house, which will help keep all my AF in its present conditions. :-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8656	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 654

In a message dated 06/07/2000 3:17:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > From: david_horn@... > Subject: Boise show > > Good luck! Hope you win again. Please provide us all some access to > photos. Would love to be there but won't be in Idaho at the time, so photos > will have to do. Thanks. > > PS How does the "contest" work? There are two "contests". First is the Peoples Choice award that is given to the layout that gets the most votes from the public that attends the show. Our Club has won it by landslide vote every time we have entered. The second is "best of show" that is voted on by all the participants in the show. We have won that and also taken a second . We have the only "S" gauge layout ever seen at one of these shows and it is a great crowd pleaser. Has all the bells and whistles (literally) with three loops and operating accessories galore. You can see pictures of it on Paul Yorkes web site. It is in a constant state of improvement and innovation. Steve Blackburn RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8657	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] timbauerrarecoins alert

I am hearing on regular commercial AM-=radio newscasts that the gov't is getting on E-Bay for this type of crap, especially sellers running their own bids up--maybe it will have an effect. Don Abrams wrote: > He's back! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344164651 > The same 371. revicam got it for a mere $700 this time. Wasn't it $1,200 > last time before this seller was booted? > Don > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Take 20 friends to Vegas on New Year's courtesy of Expedia.com. > Win the airfare, a suite at Bellagio and $15,000. Or win 2 roundtrip > tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. Click for a chance to win. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5294/4/_/494531/_/960432226/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8658	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: timbauerrarecoins alert

Don alerts us that Heeeeee's Baaack!: >He's back! >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=344164651 >The same 371. revicam got it for a mere $700 this time. Wasn't it $1,200 >last time before this seller was booted? Don: I saw it too and I immediately wrote Safe Harbor: >How did this guy get back onto e-Bay? >timbauerrarecoins (tbauer6194@...) >We got him thrown off last year for shilling. >He should have been banned for life. >Now he's back in action with all the same cronies names appearing in his bid >lists. >How did this happen????? >Chris Zizzo The amazing thing is that he has the chutzpah to trade under the same name, create the same phony environment with the same shill bidders, also using their original names and put up for sale the same pieces! Read his diatribes in the description about all the precautions he's taking to keep others from ripping him off. He trades in coins. How did we inherit him in Flyer? Two to go, Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8659	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: dry transfers and milk car

What is the best instrument to use to apply dry transfer decals to a chrome engine body? Any other tips/techniques to use with dry transfers? Does you 973 or 25019 milk car lean to the side opposite the operating doors when it's on the tracks? Mine does, but I'm wondering if that's normal since the majority of the internal mechanism is on that side. Or is the rivet on the pick-up shoe truck too loose? Thank you. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8660	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: dry transfers

I don't think that applying dry transfers to a chrome body is a good idea. First, a dry transfer is usually held in place by drafting tape during the transfer process. Flyer chrome is too fragile -- any drafting or masking tape is probably going to rip the chrome right off. Perhaps you could hold the transfer in place with rubber bands or clothespins. Second, a dry transfer (which is not a decal) is burnished or rubbed twice. The first burnishing transfers the lettering from the backing to the model. The second burnishing is supposed to drive the transferred lettering into the painted surface. I suspect the chrome finish is too brittle, so that the lettering will not be driven into the surface as it is supposed to be. Third, dry transfers should be protected by some kind of clear finish. Any clear finish that I know of, such as glosscote, dullcote, etc, will absolutely kill the chrome finish. So you're left with the prospect that the unprotected transfer is just going to flop off after a few years, or whenever the piece is handled. Water based decals stand a better chance of success. The chrome is so fragile that great care must be used. Decal setting solutions such as solvaset will attack the chrome finish, so don't use them. A special burnishing tool is sold for use with dry transfers. It has two tips, a large one for wide areas and a small one for forcing the transfers around rivet detail, etc. It is very handy. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8661	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Hess Truck

I got my hess truck http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/vehicles/hess.jpg Added a figure for scale, looks like S to me. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8662	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Please add my name back on the list..thank you

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8663	From: M.McConnell	Date: 6/8/2000
Subject: Streamlined K4

The South Jersey S Gaugers spent the Memorial Day weekend at Steamtown in Scranton. We had our sectional layout on display, and had it decorated with almost anything you could think of that reflected the 40's during WWII. As a special treat, we brought along a pre-production sample of the streamlined K4 to run on the layout. I've uploaded three images of the engine in action to the e-group files section. The sample we had was a DC version - which means there was no sound board with the engine. We found the engine to be a sound performer, it ran smoothly and for a considerable period of the weekend. At one time, we had 8 passenger cars behind the K4 and it pulled them with plenty of power to spare. As for smoking - I think the pictures will prove it smokes like a fiend, it produces volumes of smoke even at moderate speed! I would love to hear the sound system in the AC version - I hear it is a faithful reproduction of the real K4 whistle. All-in-all I was very pleased with the engines' performance, and if the paint and detail of the production matches the sample we had - it should be a welcome addition to anyone's collection. (Lighting where we had the layout was a little dim - so the colors may seem a little strange on the engine. Our sample was decorated in the 'bronze' paint scheme. I would call the color medium brown - not a bad color, just a little differant than what I was expecting.) Michael >Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:52:06 -0400 > From: david_horn@... >Subject: Streamlined K4 > >Well, the AM Streamlined PRR K4 has been available now at least a couple of >months, but I haven't heard peep about it from anyone. Have any of you >bought one, if so do you like it? > >I saw one running at York at the Super Smoke table. I had been seriously >thinking of buying one, but there are still too many ACG classics on my wish >list. Frankly, the AM K4 was not all that impressive. The paint appeared a >bit on the dull side (green). I didn't have the chance to pick it up or >operate it, but somehow it left me with the feeling of "ehhh" maybe later. >How 'bout you? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8664	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: dry transfers, 973 milk car

I'm decorating a rechromed 360 (1950 without war bonnet paint, just all chrome). Most of the emblems are water-decals, but the outlined American Flyer, and I think the number 360 are dry transfers, at least that's all I was able to find. I anyone knows of these in water-decals instead please let me know. Thanks. The 973 leans no more. Thanks to those who replied to let me know their milk cars are level. The one truck on mine was loose and both needed adjustments (bending) to provide the right load-balancing and chassis leveling. However, I did have a dickens of a time ('til 1 in the morning) with the front coupler (as you face the opening doors) uncoupling at speed. I did all the usual - - 1/32" clearance from railheads, then higher then lower, level in all directions then twisted a little clockwise then counterclockwise, a new coupler, etc. Still it did the darndest thing - - open up just by rolling it around the track. Yep, all by itself with the coupler closed if I pushed the car and made it roll the coupler would open up. It wasn't bumping, scraping, or hitting anything. Had me bonkers. Happened mostly through curves - - AF to AF track or AF to K-line track. The track or spread of the 4 wheel sets was 18.5-18.75mmm each. Where it should be. In the end, what I found, with at least with one eye still open, resolved the problem was to narrow the track of each wheel set to 17.75 mm. There was something about the way the outer steel wheels of the front truck "knocked" the truck at the interface between curved and straight tracks. It was apparently just the right jostling to activate the coupler. This was reduced by bringing the wheels in a little closer to each other. I'll test more this weekend, but I had much better results after this adjustment. Always getting trained, Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8665	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: tim bauer and his rare kerns

This came today from Safe Harbor: >Hello Chris, >Thank you for taking the time to contact us with this information. I >have reviewed the information that you have provided and wanted to let >you know that I have suspended the members that you alerted us to. >I would like to thank you for your help in keeping eBay a fun and safe >place to trade. >As far as the member being reinstated, please understand that we do >issue 30 day suspensions to first time offenders. >If you have any further questions or comments please feel free to >contact us. >Regards, >Cooper >eBay Customer Support Got him again! Twice he's gone, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8666	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Other E-bay problems

Don't know how many of you read this in the States' news, but there was an article in the Oslo (Norway) Newspaper about thieves in the Boston/Massachussetts area who were selling stolen goods on e-bay. Well, that is keeping up with technology. Rance busy-boy wrote: > This came today from Safe Harbor: > > >Hello Chris, > > >Thank you for taking the time to contact us with this information. I have > reviewed the information that you have provided and wanted to let you know that > I have suspended the members that you alerted us to. > > I would like to thank you for your help in keeping eBay a fun and safe place to > trade. As far as the member being reinstated, please understand that we do issue > 30 day suspensions to first time offenders. > > If you have any further questions or comments please feel free to contact us. > > >Regards, > > >Cooper > >eBay Customer Support > > Got him again! > > Twice he's gone, > Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8667	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Hess Truck

Hi all! We don't have Hess stations in Maine. Can anyone tell me where I can get a truck? -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:paulyorke@...] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:00 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Hess Truck I got my hess truck http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/vehicles/hess.jpg Added a figure for scale, looks like S to me. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry experiments. http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/4/_/494531/_/960505178/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8668	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Streamlined K-4

Thanks for the update and photos. It looks pretty good in the pics, and if it ran as fast, smooth, strong and smokey (that's how I like 'em) as you described it, then maybe I have some wish list editing to do after all.....hmmmmmm. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8669	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Hess Trucks

Since our toys are promotional offerings they are only marketed through our retail sites - Massachusetts through Florida (along the coast). If you do not live in our marketing area perhaps you have a friend or relative that could purchase the toy for you. Thank you for your interest in Amerada Hess. Thank you, Maureen Janiga Customer Relations Rep. 1-800-437-7645 option #1 mjaniga@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8670	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Speaking of K-4's

Did you happen to see what state the real K-4 in the Steamtown shops is in? Is it finished yet? We will be up that way this summer, and wow it'd be great to see that engine running. Thanks. I understand Altoona sent it to S-town to be refurb'd, and then S-town claimed it as theirs. PS You have a very nice modular layout. How many members are in your club, and how many years have you been together? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8671	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Need your input!

Howdy Friends We have wrapped up the S scale sawmill (only a few kits left - if you want one, hurry) and the O scale version is almost done, and the next HO Master Creations kit is ready for production. So, now is the time to start thinking about the next big kit in S Scale. Over the last two years, we have released the following kits in HO. All have Silver Editions with our 24-hour sound systems: Donovan's Transfer Co. - Wharf scene with lighthouse. http://www.master-creations.com/lk100.htm Hyde Pulp Mill - A complete complex for turning wood into paper pulp. The S version of this will be several separate kits. It is way too big to put into a single box. http://www.master-creations.com/hydemast.htm Cabin Creek Coal Tipple - Typical West Virginia-type tipple. http://www.master-creations.com/coalmast.htm I figured you might like to be involved in the decision on the next one. Send us an email and let us know your choices. Please go to http://www.master-creations.com/poll1.htm and let us know your preference. The poll is quick and easy, and we greatly appreciate your input. Thanks, Bill PS - While we work on the next big S Scale kit, we will be releasing several small and medium kits, and additional components for the sawmill! -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8672	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: e-mail server problems

There was a problem with my e-mail server, please put me back on the list. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8673	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flyer want list

Where is the train meet please?????? Larry Jacques Ollivier wrote: > Hi guys, > > I got a call from a guy in Western Washington whose selling his flyer > collection. My wife took the message, so I don't have many details. > All she got was 30 engines, 100 cars, and a dozen accessories. > > I'll be contacting the guy on Friday night and will see him on Sunday at > a train meet. > > Being a poor school teacher, I have little funds to purchase things > (I've got 0-6-0 dreams on a junk box budget). But, if anyoneone on the > list would like to send me an off-list want list and the price you would > like to pay for desired item(s), I'll check and see if he has it. > > Jacques > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4051/4/_/494531/_/960436485/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8674	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: Hess truck

This may sound rather strange, but I'll ask anyway... Would someone who has Hess in their area, be willing to buy one and ship it to me? I will be glad to return the favor, if not specifically to you , then to someone in the S gauge community. Thanks. Steve Pendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8675	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: timbaurerrarecoins

Why don't we all write this jerk (in a polite but no-nonsense manner) in such a way that he realizes we will hassle him every time he rears his unethical head. I mean, there are several hundred of us, imagine his e-mail cluttered up with all of our posts!!! StevePendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8676	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/9/2000
Subject: dealer support

A great deal is said on this list about how it is important to support our fledgling manufacturers. While this is true, i would like to point out that we should also continue to support our dealers of old Flyer -- the guys who have hunted down, cleaned up, and marketed to us, ACG's heritage. Dealers in the repro parts that let us save and maintain these treasures, are owed the same respect. These guys have contributed to this hobby as much as anyone. And the old stuff still runs better. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8677	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: egroups "toytrains" list

Hello all, I know some of you are on different lists, so this is old news to some,... but I checked out the 'toytrains' list {saw some familiar names} and found what I thought to be, some interesting topics. Several posts on layout lighting...such as moon-glow,.....several posts on playing music while running your trains......and someone posted a question, "when did you get your first train?", with several replies. {even mine!}. These were in just the past few days. Of course there's a lot of that "L" word talk, but layout tips can be used for any scale. And of course it's BEST in 'S' !!!!! Anyway....just thought I'd pass that along. Keep your rails clean and a RR song in your heart and don't take any wooden spikes!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8678	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] egroups "toytrains" list

Thanks for your viewpoint Rick. How does one subscribe to "toytrains?" -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine .-.-. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Evans [mailto:comic@...] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 4:11 AM To: S-Trains Subject: [S-Trains] egroups "toytrains" list Hello all, I know some of you are on different lists, so this is old news to some,... but I checked out the 'toytrains' list {saw some familiar names} and found what I thought to be, some interesting topics. Several posts on layout lighting...such as moon-glow,.....several posts on playing music while running your trains......and someone posted a question, "when did you get your first train?", with several replies. {even mine!}. These were in just the past few days. Of course there's a lot of that "L" word talk, but layout tips can be used for any scale. And of course it's BEST in 'S' !!!!! Anyway....just thought I'd pass that along. Keep your rails clean and a RR song in your heart and don't take any wooden spikes!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups members: $60 in FREE calls! Join beMANY! And pay less each month for long distance. http://click.egroups.com/1/4122/4/_/494531/_/960624607/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8679	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: 21156 dockside

does any one know if the 21156 came with a smoke unit, if so would an Atlantic unit fit? Thanks in advance, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8680	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Fw: Monday Work Session

There were comments recently regarding using matte medium for gluing track down. I just used matte medium for ballasting two sections of an S-MOD module (using dark gray roofing granules; they are perfect size for S scale ballast, and Charlie Smith says color is good match to cinders used for ballasing Pennsy yards). We used matte medium diluted 1:1 with water plus a few drops of wetting solution (dish washing detergent). The modules dried up and look the same as if we had used dilute white glue. I'll let you know how it works out long term. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8681	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8682	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21156 dockside

Dear Mike, A few years back, I installed a smoke unit from the Franklin steam engine. Don Thompson anormal1@... wrote: > does any one know if the 21156 came with a smoke unit, if so would an > Atlantic unit fit? > Thanks in advance, > Mike S. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Expedia.com for a chance to win airfare to Vegas for you and > 20 friends, $15,000 and a suite at Bellagio for New Year's. Or get a > shot at 2 roundtrip tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5291/4/_/494531/_/960654063/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8683	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: smoke unit ...21156...

Mike, If it's smoking, you have problems!!! My Greenberg book shows no smoke or choo-choo for the 21156. But as Don T. points out,..he put one in from a Franklin loco. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8684	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/10/2000
Subject: timbaurerrarecoins

StevePendleton wrote: >Why don't we all write this jerk (in a polite but no-nonsense manner) in such a way that he >realizes we will hassle him every time he rears his unethical head. Because he would then have cause for a legal action against the members of this list for harrassment and restraint of trade. He has been tossed from e-Bay based on their investigation of his most recent activities. All we did was alert Safe Harbor that we saw what we believed to be a repeat of earlier behavior. They did the rest. What you are proposing is a conspiracy to violate the mans right to do business and carry on a campaign of harrassment against an individual. I advise strongly against this. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8685	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Docksider smoke Re: Digest Number 658 .

The Docksider 21155 which has a smoke unit uses a different (22 tooth) gear. It is No. PA15A019 and difficult to find. The smoke unit is an X13B445-A. The Franklin smoke unit is No. X 13B445-C, HO size and uses a PA10A671-A worm gear. By the time I figuered all this out a few year ago I'd found a 21155 cheap to restore. It had the smoke parts. --- Nick Colleran _______________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:20:47 EDT > From: anormal1@... >Subject: 21156 dockside > >does any one know if the 21156 came with a smoke unit, if so would an >Atlantic unit fit? > Thanks in advance, > Mike S. > > >________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8686	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: American Models GP35 derailing fixed (old topic)

A long time ago I wrote to the list about my GP35 derailing on curves. Many of you like Don Thompson wrote with various fixes. However, none of the suggestions applied. What I eventally found to be the cause was the lamp's "L"-bracket. It was installed backwards, 180 degrees reversed from proper position. There's no problem now since I turned it around. I thought inquiring minds might want to know. --- Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8687	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Interesting Purchase

Hey S-Trains Gang, I just purchased a rather unique collection. It has a bunch of American Flyer pre-war tin passenger sets, mostly in O guage and one gorgeous tin Standard guage passenger set. It also has about 70 pieces of collectible 1940/1950's Plasticville in the original boxes-some look totally unused. Any of you have any interest before it goes to ebay? I gave you first shot at the Gilbert HO and there were no takers. Let me know if you have an interest. Mark B. Preman http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8688	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8689	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 6/11/2000
Subject: roofing granules

Where does one find roofing granules? I'm using bird grit right now for ballast. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8690	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Mounting Ertl GP truck sides to Railmaster Drives

The Railmaster frame fits the Erle GP. The holes in the frame will line up next to a v on the side of the shell. You have to cut out the cab sections so that the motor turns. I used plastic strips to level the Ertl shell. Pick up gray Plastic Struct square tubing. Slide it through the square hole in the trucks and cut flush. Cut thick plastic rectangles and drill three holes. The lower hole will allow you to screw the plastic to the truck. The sideframes have round indentations. You will next find plactic tubing to make spacers. I build 4 side mounts and they were all different, so I will pick the best one to use as a master. Be sure and make the side plastic support flush to the bottom of the truck. There are deep flat indentations in the center of the side frames. Cut a piece of tight fitting plastic strips and insert from the bottom and get a leaf spring effect that will hold the frames level. Now I need your ideas for detailing. Like bells etc. I bought an original Ertl set for a good price, but have been finding them new at closeout toy stores for $20. There are a lot of great projects in the box, like block signal, crossings etc. I did the flat car with Ace bousters and am detailing the caboose. It just needs window fill and trim work and a lip on the copula. Come on guys you can have fun building things. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8691	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: roofing granules

- Greeting`S' - A quick plea, gang. A moment's reflection on the use of natural rock as ballast. It is not very different from carborundum, especially in its effects on smooth (or what used to be smooth) running mechanisms. Plastic gravel may not look quite right, but it does not grind away on our trains. For similar reasons, but applied to motors, we do not use steel wool to clean the track. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8692	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Gauge

gauge Gauge gAUge GAUGE Not Guage as Gwahdge But Gauge as Gaydge G then A GA . . . GAUGE Gauge gauge

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8693	From: Allen Evans	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Roofing Granules / Anti-Skid Grit

> Subject: Ballast Rock Material etc.- > What I think you should look for is called anti-skid grit which is separately > added to paint for steps and porches and boat decks. Source of Supply: Ace > Hardware, Sherwin-Williams Paint or Home Depot. > Also, you can probably try acquarium gravel. > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:49:34 EDT > From: rxman46321@... > Subject: roofing granules > > Where does one find roofing granules? > > I'm using bird grit right now for ballast. > > John Griffin > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8694	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Roofing

You can also try the roller anti slip that comes in rolls with an adhesive backing. Some comes with a sandy grit applied to it ,there is also a grey color,which may be helpful for retaing walls etc, and Ive also seen black, useful for roads,parking lots,etc Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8695	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: AF MERGER SETS

Has anyone gotten their (L) AF merger sets as of yet. I really don't want to start any trouble over this question. That is if you bought one Thank You, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8696	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] roofing granules

Not sure what I'll use this time--but if you want a soft material that will destroy itself before it destroys loco gears try your local untreated (with green chlorophyll crap) version of "kitty litter" >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8697	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: collection for sale

Hi guys, I saw the collection that I referred to late last week. It is mostly operator stuff with some repaints. The owner is moving to the dark side (Lionel) and wants to sell the whole lot for $3500. This includes 30 engines, 100 cars, and several nice accessories. Highlights include a nice repainted seaboard coaler, both talking stations, log loader, sawmill, a nice 470,471, 473 set, a franklin set, and a repro circus set. If any of you dealers, ebayers, or deep pocketed individuals would like a detailed list, contact me offline. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8698	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF MERGER SETS

Got my (wife's) set a few weeks ago. Ordered it from Doug Peck. Both pieces look very nicely done (for Lionel), but I don't have any track set up right now to test them out. They will get used this winter, however. I have seen several of the locos and cabooses on different auction sites in the last month or so. I was kind of surprised that they are already selling for 20-30% higher than the list price. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO anormal1@... wrote: > Has anyone gotten their (L) AF merger sets as of yet. I really don't want to > start any trouble over this question. That is if you bought one > Thank You, > Mike S. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Never lose a file again. Protect yourself from accidental deletes, > overwrites, and viruses with @Backup. > Try @Backup it's easy, it's safe, and it's FREE! > Click here to receive 300 MyPoints just for trying @Backup. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4936/4/_/494531/_/960839181/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8699	From: pking@wcl.on.ca	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Ballast For High Rail

Hello Folks: It's been ages since I've posted. Some talk about ballast. I have used Woodland Scenics HO coarse cinder ballast between the ties I have cut to fit my AF track. The ties are stained with an india ink/shoe die and rubbing alcohol mixture and the cinder ballast looks terrific. The size seems to be credible with my 1/64 scale vehicles. After the matt mixture has dried I might use some HO medium to refine things a little. Cheers, Peter from Walkerton.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8700	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: Ballast or Coal

TAKE A LOOK http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=31113&a=1706345

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8701	From: M.McConnell	Date: 6/12/2000
Subject: K4 at Altoona

David had asked me about the state of the K4 that used to be on display at Altoona and was sent to Steamtown for refurbishment. My original reply to David was 'lost' but I did upload pictures of the K4 in its current state. The pictures are in the egroup file area. The K4 is completely dis-assembled and pieces of it are scattered about the repair shop. One of the pictures shows the inside of the firebox through what used to be the backhead. Ken, our guide that took us on an 'after-hours' tour of the facilities, gave us a very interesting oration of the problems uncovered during the restoration. According to Ken, the K4 will be completely restored when sufficient funds are available - and then it will be returned to Altoona. As you can see by the pictures - that will take some time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8702	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Matte Medium, and Diesels

Matte Medium vs White Glue Ballast glued down with white glue is "rock hard". I was suspicious that the flexibility of matte medium would make rework and repair easier. This was confirmed last night. Wet it down, and the ballast, scenery, whatever loosens. If you have an area that is damage prone, such as handling damage on modules, or if you think you might want to change an area (add a switch, add a building, plant a tree), the extra cost just might be worth it. Tooling This is general info regarding injection molding tooling, for those of you who only know about high volume high cost molds (BTW, injection molding uses molds, not dies). The last few years has seen an explosion in tooling methods for short runs, at less cost than the tooling that is suitable for large injection molding runs. I have not done any projects using these methods, so I can't comment on real costs. Based on the LITTLE BIT of info that I have seen, it appears that the cost for a low volume (50-200 pieces) diesel shell MIGHT be $100-200, plus the cost of CAD design, frame, detail parts, etc. As I said, this comment is for general info and awareness only. Anybody who has researched this will have better data than I have. I am NOT lobbying for any specific modern diesel, nor arguing for any production method. I just point out that the market for a mass produced (lower priced) modern diesel will be (much) larger than the market for a brass modern diesel, which at least somewhat reduces the problem of not enough modern modelers. It will soon be more than a mental excercise. AM's -60 will show us if modern diesels will sell. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8703	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Panel Truck and Flat Kits

The Racing Champs '40 Ford panel truck is nice, but I have usually seen it available only with the goofy hot rod wheels and tires. For the benefit of us who want stock tires, it is now available in the Police series with stock tires. You'll still need to provide stock paint. >The flat kit, which I would want assembled, MAY >be the way to go. BUT, you still have to find someone >who is willing to sit and make ALL those details for >a pattern. And that ain't going to be cheap. >Terry If there are enough people interested in this, each person makes a master, like in the old days of S Scale Locomotive and Supply, or ask Don T how he acquired his freight car masters. Also look at an old Trainstuff kit to see how the boxcar panels were assembled. Someone talked about tooling expense for flat kits. Tell me if I'm wrong Don T, I suspect your Trainstuff tooling was urethane, silicone or similarly inexpensive? I also assume that there was a limited number of castings you could get before needing a new mold? Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8704	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Panel Truck and Flat Kits

To do an injection mold you do not need masters, only a drawing and a few pictures. Larry Ted R Larson wrote: > > The Racing Champs '40 Ford panel truck is nice, but I have usually seen > it available only with the goofy hot rod wheels and tires. For the > benefit of us who want stock tires, it is now available in the Police

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8705	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 660

Thanks for K-4 the info and pics! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8706	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: 1/64th 1957 Chrysler 300C

Seems K-mart, WalMart, Target have all lost interest in real looking cars. I can only find HotRods and race cars. I did find several of the new street cars in ToysRus though; '65 Galaxie, '63 Chev. --- Keith Thompson <keith.thompson2@...> wrote: > They're out! Take a look at > http://tommytoyz.safeshopper.com/50/638.htm?206 -- Keith Thompson in Kent ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8707	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Wanted: URL to module picture showing LEMAX buildings

Subject: LEMAX buildings If my sometimes feeble memory serves me correctly, I seem to remember sometime back in late 1999 I think, that somebody posted a URL (web address) on this S-Trains list that showed some pictures of some group's S-gauge modules. One of these pictures showed a village of LEMAX buildings, and was specifically identified as being LEMAX. QUESTION: Does anybody happen to remember this URL that showed this group of LEMAX buildings. Thanks in advance. - Jim Ingram

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8708	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: 1/64th Racing Champs

I too, Have been disappointed with what I've been finding at the stores! Checked out the tommytoyz site {Thanks for the tip!} and saw some cars that I didn't even realize they were making!! A '39 Chevy??? Never saw that before in any series that Racing Champions did! Seems the 'Mint Editions' have been replaced with the 'Classified Classics'. But, the '40 Ford does not have stock wheels like they show on the blister card. Bummer!! Same with the woody and some of the other older models. I do display some of the coupes and rods, but would rather have stock wheels and stock paint for the layout. Stripped off many a logo just to get a panel truck or car to look nice for the layout! I do like the 'Hot Rod' versions, but can only have so many parked at the diner! And my display cases are gettin' filled up! Racing Champions make some good cars for the layout at a pretty good price,....wonder if they even realize that 'S' Gaugers buy a lot of these cars for layouts and not just to put on a shelf?? Hmmmm.......always wanted to contact them. Also they have been putting out some nice cars through Ertl {now owned by Racing Champs}. I Like the trunk that opens!! Anyway, good luck in the search for layout cars!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8709	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: The Dark Side

Hope I Don't upset too many but!!!!!!First off Flyer is number one with me, but I like toy trains......Right now I have a 4'-4" x 8'-0" flyer layout and a 2'-8" x 11'-6" "o" layout. I usually add more to my "O" stuff as I can afford it more. I got into MTH stuff when I saw the o-8-o N & W switcher, I still have my flyer 5004 set from 1950, and my atlantic set from 1948, both still run. Anyway, the other day while pulling about 8 cars with my C & O Berk, I tried adding the N & W switcher to double head....WOW THE SOUND OF THESE TWO TOGETHER IS AWSOME!!! So now I am collecting Flyer for the shelves and to run....But I still like those CAB FORWARDS, ALLEGHENYS, o-8-o, Etc. Going to try out my new zepher this weekend...I also want the "s" version..Will I be able to get it with full sound for 375.00? HOW DOES THE "S" SYSTEMS SOUND COMPARED WITH MTH? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8710	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Dark Side

In a message dated 6/13/00 2:04:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCON@... writes: << Hope I Don't upset too many but!!!!!!First off Flyer is number one with me, but I like toy trains......Right now I have a 4'-4" x 8'-0" flyer layout and a 2'-8" x 11'-6" "o" layout. I usually add more to my "O" stuff as I can afford it more. I got into MTH stuff when I saw the o-8-o N & W switcher, I still have my flyer 5004 set from 1950, and my atlantic set from 1948, both still run. Anyway, the other day while pulling about 8 cars with my C & O Berk, I tried adding the N & W switcher to double head....WOW THE SOUND OF THESE TWO TOGETHER IS AWSOME!!! >> Bob, you are not alone. My first layout is done all in original Gilbert (and Plasticville) a la the 50's. However, I have a second layout which is done with a prewar theme so that I can run prewar Flyer O-gauge and standard gauge in their proper historical environment. However, hidden within the controls of this layout is the capability to run TMCC so that I can operate some of the better Lionel stuff. I have a lot of fun running my TMCC-equipped NYC F-3's with its consist of two-tone gray streamlined passenger cars doing its best to be a toy train version of the Twentieth Century Limited. The sounds and constant voltage lighting are great and the ability to uncouple the engines from the train at any spot on the layout is fun. And TMCC is REAL simple to wire and operate. The selection of new items available in S is paltry compared to "O-Land". For example, in the new MTH catalog 2000 Vol.3, there is a Premier Niagara and a PRR Q2. MTH has scale-detailed Premier PRR E-6's and Dreyfus Hudsons about to hit the streets. Provided one has a sufficiently large radius curves, these trains are all compatible with toy train operating scenarios. The Hudsons and E-6s will run nicely on 0-42, which is the Flyer prewar radius. The S manufactures are making some nice trains but their progress in developing a truly full line of trains is really frustrating when one cast an eye over the fence. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8711	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] roofing granules

Bird grit is good. I used some Parakeet size stuff and it was the perfect size for S. Color was a little too yellowish but a black wash took care of that. rxman46321@... wrote: > > Where does one find roofing granules? > > I'm using bird grit right now for ballast. > > John Griffin > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember Father's Day Is June 18th > Click Here For Great Gifts! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5037/4/_/494531/_/960778181/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8712	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: ROOFING

How about fine grit garnet sandpaper Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8713	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Fw: Monday Work Session

Arden and Other'S', I haven't seen the S list for 3 days, so I'm slowly catching up. We have some experience with our display layout on this subject which I will share with you. First of all...a few definitions. "Good sound": the sound of metal wheels clicking over rail joints. Can't get enough of it. "Bad sound": a rumbling/roaring sound effect which is very distracting. We want to minimize this. I am not an acoustics engineer, but the "bad sound" seems to be a function of several components in the "track sandwich":sub-roadbed, roadbed, and the bonding agent which holds the track and ballast together. Our layout uses expanded polyfoam board ("blueboard") for sub-roadbed and cork ballast strip for roadbed (glued down with Elmer's yellow carpenter's glue). The first sections of track we ballasted used matte medium(diluted 1:3 with water) to hold it all together. We found that this combination did not hold the track down very well. So, the next section we used diluted white glue (1:1). This combination locked the track and ballast together like a rock. However, it also resulted copious amounts of "bad sound". As was said earlier, I think the matte medium being more elastic tends to damp out much of the rumbling noise. But, in our experience, it does not do the job for a layout that has to travel (and thus, gets banged around a bit). So, we now use white glue for sidings/yards and sections of track that interface (near the edge of each section) each other. For the rest of the mainline, we use full strength matte medium. For a permanent layout which does not have to be moved around, I would use matte medium for everything. However, one advantage of white glue is if you want to change something, just soak the section of track in question with water for an hour or so, and the glue will loosen again. Hope this helps. Jay Mellon Crescent City S Gaugers New Orleans, LA ---------- From: Arden Goehring [SMTP:arden@...] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:07 PM To: S-Scale@egroups.com; S-Trains@onelist.com; Ted R Larson Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Fw: Monday Work Session Ted, what I am very seriously wanting to know is if ballast glued with matte medium is any less of a sounding board than ballast held with white glue. Thanks. Arden

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8714	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: "excellent" car on ebay...

Check out the "excellent" NP car that's running on ebay right now. It needs TLC just to bring it up to any classifiable condition! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355768063 Cheri W.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8715	From: hollyandroses	Date: 6/13/2000
Subject: "excellent" NP car on ebay

So far as the in "excellent" condition NP car listed on ebay and mentioned on this list, I guess the seller's idea of "excellent" and mine are worlds apart. It looks pretty crappy to me. bob hawley mt. angel, oregon Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8716	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Lemax Village

Jim Ingram asked for the URL for the picture of a Lemax Village. I believe he is referring to the module of the Central Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers that was on display at the Greenberg Show there last December. That URL (on Paul Yorke's website) is: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/charlotte/charlotte.html BTW, the Central Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will have their modular layout on display at the upcoming Metrolina Train Show in Charlotte on Saturday, July 8th next to the old coliseum on Independence Boulevard. Stop by and visit if you are in the Charlotte, NC area. Joe <Subject: Wanted: URL to module picture showing LEMAX <buildings < <Subject: LEMAX buildings < <If my sometimes feeble memory serves me correctly, I <seem to remember sometime back in late 1999 I think, <that somebody posted a URL (web address) on this <S-Trains list that showed some pictures of some <group's S-gauge modules. One of these pictures showed <a village of LEMAX buildings, and was specifically <identified as being LEMAX. < <QUESTION: Does anybody happen to remember this URL <that showed this group of LEMAX buildings. < <Thanks in advance. < <- Jim Ingram ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8717	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Expanding molds

I once found a source of a product that you soke and it will expand up to 10%. I was going to try this on a AF/Marx depressed center flat car. The idea is you can correct your mistakes while you increace it's size. Now this gives us an unlimted source of product and details from Companies that are out of production. Or look at it this way did not Japan and Russia copy the Chev. 6 and Russia our car tires. A guy showed me a tire from a 29 Packard that was made in Russia with english lettering. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8718	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] "excellent" car on ebay...

Okay, who changed the grading standards again without telling everyone? Now all my previously excellent cars are now NIB and I'll have to raise my insurance values. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Cheri221@... wrote: > Check out the "excellent" NP car that's running on ebay right now. It needs > TLC just to bring it up to any classifiable condition! > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=355768063 > > Cheri W. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws. > http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/4/_/494531/_/960955884/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8719	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Expanding molds

I can not think of any thing that Russia or Japan did not copy. The automatic transmissions in the Japanese cars is the Borg-Waner one. They were buying it and using it in there cars, then started copying it. I know of nothing they have invented but the copy every thing. Larry JAMES SLEETH wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8720	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Great Train Store info & alert for Bay Area (CA) members

Hi All, found this on the toytrains list. Now if they'd carried S gauge. . . . I'm back from vacation, but the census is on final "roundup" and I don't have much free time yet. AAAUGh. S' David D. Subject: The Great Train Store Dick, the store is gone. All are closing, and the inventories have been sold to liquidators who are selling it all out. A number of stores that are totally closed sent their merchandise to the one in the Great Mall in Milpitas, CA (developed by Kughn's development co. for Ford Motor, who could not sell the Milpitas plant site due to toxics that they paved over), and they are marking things down daily, through the liquidator. A friend of mine, who worked for the store, is now working for the liquidator until things end. Barb Jones

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8721	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: roofing granules

I'm told that somebody asked the source of roofing granules. I did not see that post (I only have enough time to read S-Scale, but not S-Trains). A friend tore off his black shingled roof. LOTS of black (dark grey) roofing granules ended up in his gutters. You'll find some roofing granules in many gutters, even without tearing the roof off. You may also find some at the base of the downspout. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8722	From: billlane@snip.net	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Dick Tracy Cop car

I have a few NEW Ertl Dick Tracy Cop cars for sale for $5.00 each. (See photo) http://users.snip.net/~billlane/car.jpg These were issued in 1990 to promote the Walt Disney movie. The packaging and car are in perfect condition. The car is glossy black. The words "Dick Tracy" are in yellow across the trunk. This is easily removable with nail polish remover without damaging the paint. It is the perfect size for your S Scale or American Flyer train layout. The buyer is to pay $2.50 shipping Please contact me at billlane@... if you are interested. Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8723	From: Alan Evans	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] roofing granules

Ted: Don't climb a ladder to get roofing granules. I went to a local roofing supplier and asked for roofing granules. We went back to stock bins and he had several split open bags that he sold me (at a reduced price) just to get rid of them. Colors were black, dark brown and light gray. Even had some green granules. - Alan Evans, the Ohio guy Ted Larson wrote: > I'm told that somebody asked the source of roofing granules. I did not > see that post (I only have enough time to read S-Scale, but not > S-Trains). > > A friend tore off his black shingled roof. LOTS of black (dark grey) > roofing granules ended up in his gutters. You'll find some roofing > granules in many gutters, even without tearing the roof off. You may > also find some at the base of the downspout. > > ===== > Ted Larson > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! > http://photos.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Click here for a chance to win airfare to Vegas for you and 20 friends, > $15,000 and a suite at Bellagio for New Year's from Expedia.com. Or > win 2 roundtrip tickets anywhere in the U.S. given away daily. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5296/1/_/576498/_/960997698/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8724	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: puzzle mold

Due to a question regarding my recent post about alternatives to standard injection molding tooling, I did some browsing on the web today. If you search on "rapid prototyping plastic", your search engine will find many references to molding methods of varying cost, detail, and quantity of parts that they'll produce. Some methods will only produce a few molded parts before the mold is worn out. Other methods can produce thousands, and in fact, these are used for low volume production molding, hence my interest in them for model railroad (diseasal) molds. Links to one of the more interesting methods follows. ================================================= http://www.protoform.com/deutsch/partner.htm http://www.protoformna.com/ Each SPM� mold is split into sections when it is designed to allow all features of the part to be released when the mold is disassembled. The assembled mold is a compact unit because it is not much bigger than the part cavity it contains. PM� molds are faster to produce than conventional tools, as the mold sections are relatively easy to CNC machine. The sections are then fitted together as was the toolmaker's technique in the days prior to the EDM machine. In addition, features such as ejector pins, mold slides, and mold bases are not required to build molds for complex parts. http://www.protoformna.com/sequence.htm http://www.protoformna.com/disassemble.htm ================================================= Notice that with this method, you could have different inserts to provide variable features on the finished molding. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8725	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: puzzle mold

Due to a question regarding my recent post about alternatives to standard injection molding tooling, I did some browsing on the web today. If you search on "rapid prototyping plastic", your search engine will find many references to molding methods of varying cost, detail, and quantity of parts that they'll produce. Some methods will only produce a few molded parts before the mold is worn out. Other methods can produce thousands, and in fact, these are used for low volume production molding, hence my interest in them for model railroad (diseasal) molds. Links to one of the more interesting methods follows. ================================================= http://www.protoform.com/deutsch/partner.htm http://www.protoformna.com/ Each SPM� mold is split into sections when it is designed to allow all features of the part to be released when the mold is disassembled. The assembled mold is a compact unit because it is not much bigger than the part cavity it contains. PM� molds are faster to produce than conventional tools, as the mold sections are relatively easy to CNC machine. The sections are then fitted together as was the toolmaker's technique in the days prior to the EDM machine. In addition, features such as ejector pins, mold slides, and mold bases are not required to build molds for complex parts. http://www.protoformna.com/sequence.htm http://www.protoformna.com/disassemble.htm ================================================= Notice that with this method, you could have different inserts to provide variable features on the finished molding. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8726	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: be aware

Check item # 352666373 Make your own judgement as to the sellers ability to grade and to describe items. Notice headlight and the grade as EX. He states he will have more items on E-BAY The headlight should not be in the middle of the boiler plate(as if I need to point that out) But I missed it the first time. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8727	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8728	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8729	From: Mark Preman	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: AF Prewar TIN and 3/16ths O

Had so much response to my post that I put up a new PREWAR page at the website with pictures. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8730	From: john foley	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis

>Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:44:22 -0400 >To: s-scale >From: john foley <foley164@...> >Subject: NMRA 2001 St. Louis > >Hi Folks > > The order for the NASG's double booth is in for the 2001 NMRA >convention in St. Louis. Now we need a layout, any ideas? > If we come up with a layout I would be glad to approach the BOT for >some expense money. > So let's talk promoting S Scale. > > John Foley > VP NASG >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8731	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/15/2000
Subject: J. Haenn's Lemax Link Is The One Ingram Needed

1--This is PRECISELY the link that I was hoping to find. Thanks for sending it. 2--I had told the people at http://www.collectorsite.com who are importers of Lemax buildings, that I had seen a module photo identifying Lemax buildings, but couldn't remember where. They wanted to know the link if I could find it. I forwarded this link to them. I also told them (my opinion here) that the S-gaugers seemed to be using Lemax buildings a lot more than they might realize. 3--Thanks also to Chris Burger for sending me, in response to my question, the link to his great pictures (http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut). - Jim Ingram =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: > From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > Subject: Lemax Village > Jim Ingram asked for the URL for the picture of a Lemax Village. > I believe he is referring to the > module of the Central Carolinas Division of the > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers that was on display at the > Greenberg Show there last December. That URL (on Paul > Yorke's website) is: > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/charlotte/charlotte.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8732	From: john foley	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Trainmaster Body photos

Hi Folks I'm learning. I put the Trainmaster body photos in the shared files area at both S-scale and S-trains. This is the Body PHM will be using. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8733	From: William H Trefts	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?

Hey, The S-Gaugers here in St. Louis have 2 layouts they put out on display through the year. One goes on display at a local bank during Christmas time, the other is the modular system that goes to different train meets. Maybe this could be incorporated in the convention? Let me know if there is further interest. Thanks! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8734	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: S Scale Bobber Caboose

Howdy Friends Since our NZ builder is busy making a bunch of Ma & Pa consolidations in S scale, we figured you needed a caboose to go with them. After a couple of discussions with Tom at Pennsylvania Heritage Models (PHM), we embarked on a joint project to make the ex-PRR ND bobber that came to the Maryland And Pennsylvania in 1937 and was lettered #2006. We will offer only scale models, so PHM is looking into offering the hi-rail versions. Photos of the prototype and the first etched body (this is a test piece and is not correct) can be found at http://www.btsrr.com/bts9006.htm I spoke with our NZ builder the other day, and the R-T-R 0-6-0s just need the decals and they are ready to ship. He is working hard on the patterns for the M&PA #41-43 and promised that we will have running samples at the NMRA/NASG meet in San Jose! http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm Hope everyone takes moment to take our structure poll. It is great getting your input on future projects. http://www.master-creations.com/poll1.htm Thanks, and take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8735	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis

How much of an S gauge presence will there be--it is not our convention also, so equipment potentially available to buy or sell will be less; I trust they will ahve a live auction one can participate in, but would hope there would be buyers also. Keep us in KC advised of layout/equipment display needs, also. DJE-KCMO >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8736	From: john foley	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis

At 04:53 PM 06/16/2000 -0500, ironhors@... wrote: I am sure SHS. BTS, River Rasin, Southwind and others will be there. You can go to http://www.gatewaynmra.org/gateway2001.htm to be kept up to date. We will need S layouts and trains. John >How much of an S gauge presence will there be--it is not our convention >also, so >equipment potentially available to buy or sell will be less; I trust they >will ahve >a live auction one can participate in, but would hope there would be >buyers also. >Keep us in KC advised of layout/equipment display needs, also. DJE-KCMO > > > > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8737	From: Michael Greene	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?

At 01:13 PM 6/16/2000 -0500, William H Trefts wrote: >Hey, > >The S-Gaugers here in St. Louis have 2 layouts they put out on display >through the year. One goes on display at a local bank during Christmas >time, the other is the modular system that goes to different train meets. > Maybe this could be incorporated in the convention? Let me know if >there is further interest. > >Thanks! > >Bill Trefts >________________________________________________________________ This is an interesting idea -- it might mean we could approach the National Train Show for layout space on the trade show floor. MG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8738	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: NMRA 2001 St. Louis

ironhors@... wrote: > > How much of an S gauge presence will there be--it is not our convention also, so > equipment potentially available to buy or sell will be less; I trust they will ahve > a live auction one can participate in, but would hope there would be buyers also. > Keep us in KC advised of layout/equipment display needs, also. DJE-KCMO While the percentage of S products will be small at any NMRA National Train Show, the opportunity to show S to the masses, and to chat with manufacturers who do not have any S in their product line, is OUTSTANDING!!!! I urge all S modelers to attend, wear a nametag that clearly indicates that S is your preferred scale, and help promote S scale. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8739	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] NMRA? ST. LOUIS? 2001? LAYOUT NEEDED?

Michael Greene wrote: > >The S-Gaugers here in St. Louis have 2 layouts they put out on display > >through the year. One goes on display at a local bank during Christmas > >time, the other is the modular system that goes to different train meets. > > Maybe this could be incorporated in the convention? Let me know if > >there is further interest. > > > >Thanks! > > > >Bill Trefts > >________________________________________________________________ > > This is an interesting idea -- it might mean we could approach the National > Train Show for layout space on the trade show floor. > > MG The NASG Promotions Team knows the gent to contact at the NMRA for layout space. Dean Dickerhoof is always excited about displaying S and goes out of his way to work with the NASG. If your layout is on display, you and your team get free access to the train show, and get to meet tons of great people. If anyone has a layout they want to have there, simply contact the NASG Promotions dude and have a great time. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8740	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Train Museums

Does anybody know of a website that lists (model or toy) train museums, or museums that include (model or toy) trains and/or layouts? If there is not one out there already, I am thinking about starting one. I will keep you posted. Not much will happen till next month. My high school reunion is the end of this month. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8741	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/16/2000
Subject: Clearwater Florida

I get to stay in Clearwater next week for four (Sun-Thurs) days. Any 'must see' shops or sites? Anybody live in that area and want to show me their trains or layout? Tampa? St. Pete? Let me know, I will be checking me e-mail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8742	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Cars

Received a flyer in the mail from a closeout chain, MacFrugals that said they had 3/64 cars from Racing Champions. I found some NASCAR stuff and they also had the Richard Petty cars, the 1950/51 Dodge Business coupe and the 1957 Oldsmobile 2 dr. sedan. The Olds. sedan is definitely 3/16th, the Dodge looks a little big, but may work if apart from the others. They also had the Field & Stream 40 Ford "Woodie" and the 40 Ford sedan delivery. Happy hunting! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8743	From: Tom Bangs	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr's passing

Three of us from the IESGAPN group visited Ernie last Wed evening. We planned to do some repairs to his layout and run some trains for him. Unfortuniately, Ernie was to week to go down to the train room so we just sat arround and talked about S-gauge. Anyone wishing to send condolances to the family can email them to me and I'll take them over to Harriet. Tom Bangs Trbngs@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8744	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Re List Of Model Train Museums

(I'm in digest mode, so please excuse me if somebody has already posted something that I haven't seen yet.)) 1--Re "a website that lists (model or toy) train museums", I don't know of such a list. You see "bits and pieces" here and there, on sites such as Kalmbach and NMRA, but I have searched a little bit over the last year, and have not been able to find any kind of a comprehensive list. 2--This almost seems like something the NMRA should be listing, since they list just about everything else. Looking at their home page (http://www.ribbonrail.com/nmra/ ), you see listed Manufacturers, Layout Tours, Clubs, Hobby Shops, but no list of model railroad museums that I can find. 3--Likewise, Kalmbach lists clubs, dealers, historical societies, manufacturers on their Model Railroad links page (http://www2.mrmag.com/mr/Links/Links.html ), but you see no mention of model railroad museums. 4--I started making a list (for within the state of Pennsylvania) of (a) Operating model railroad displays and (b) Restaurants with operating model railroads; (at http://www.track2.com/pa/displays.shtml) but I have not really been able to keep it up to date nor get it complete. Since "toy train museums" (your words) almost always include an "operating model railroad" (my words), I think we're talking about almost the same thing. 5--If anybody knows of such a website listing operating model railroads for the whole United States, I HOPE THEY POST IT, so I am not spending time "reinventing the wheel" as I so often do. 6--If no such list exists, it probably would be good to have a high-energy individual such as a Paul Yorke-type doing it. Feel free to use any information from my above-mentioned Pennsylvania page if it is useful. - Jim Ingram =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: > > Message: 9 (Digest 664) > Date: 16 Jun 00 20:13:32 EDT > From: Paul Yorke <paulyorke@...> > Subject: Train Museums > Does anybody know of a website that lists (model or toy) train museums, or > museums that include (model or toy) trains and/or layouts? > .... > Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8745	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8746	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Flyer switches

Hi all.... Is there any way to service, clean, whatever,...to keep them working well?? Let me re-phase that...they work fine, but one of my switches has a 'dead' spot when a loco passes through. I know a certain amount of power is lost through the switches but this dead spot is driving me nuts!! Not enough to stop a loco, and running in the other direction helps,.but just enough to slow a loco, then picks up speed again. I can see there are little contacts under the 'switchie' part, {technical huh??},...but how do you get to them?? Thanks for any help! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8747	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Flyer switches

Rick: If you take off the bottom plates on your switches you will notice each one has a contact arm attached to the switch frog by a shouldered screw. This arm contacts and connects one of two sets of plates, depending on the position of the frog. 1.Clean all four plates with your track eraser. 2.Also, in some cases you have to reshape the contact which is sort of trapezoid shaped, so that it makes good contact with the plates. 3. There are places where wires are soldered under the switch to the brass strips that hold the rails. Corrosion tends to develop between the rail and holder. The best quick and dirty solution is to solder the little brass strip to the rail (on the top side of the switch of course). This must be done quickly to prevent melting of the plastic switch base. You can test first to see if this is necessary by jumping the corroded joint with a screwdriver. There is a high probability that this is contributing to your switch problems. 4. Give the tops of the frog where te wheels contact it an especially good cleaning with your track eraser. The other rails should be clleaned too. These ought to do the trick. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8748	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/17/2000
Subject: Re: AMERICAN FLYER NORTHERN PACIFIC 647 CAR

Thanks for the email... You are right I was wrong calling this excellent.. I am not a train seller I just bought these in a lot from an auction.. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.. I can t make the changes now but I will when I relist it and if it does meet my reserve I will let the high bidder know the flaws.. thanks Again Brad ps remember were all human and we make mistakes..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8749	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Hess / AF 715

Has anyone tried the new Hess truck on top of their AF 715. Looks like a winning combo. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8750	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8751	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Flyer switches

The dead spot can be caused by the moving points rocking off the little contact. Requires disassembling the moving part to get at if you can't clean the contact otherwise, such as slipping a piece of sandapaper(each side up in turn) in doesn't do it. Also I have seen one that was just mounted too loose so it rocked off the contact. This required tightening up the pivot. I have been able to reassemble by soldering the part with the right (for steel) flux. Rick {bAss-flyer} wrote: > > Hi all.... > Is there any way to service, clean, whatever,...to keep them > working well?? Let me re-phase that...they work fine, but one of > my switches has a 'dead' spot when a loco passes through. I know > a certain amount of power is lost through the switches but this dead > spot is driving me nuts!! Not enough to stop a loco, and running in > the other direction helps,.but just enough to slow a loco, then picks > up speed again. > > I can see there are little contacts under the 'switchie' part, > {technical huh??},...but how do you get to them?? > > Thanks for any help! > Rick. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Vegas, Baby! > Great deals on airfare, hotels and > car rentals from Expedia.com! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5206/4/_/494531/_/961296176/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8752	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

I have tried and tried to log on, but all I get is this circular junk that I don't have the ight password and then I don't have the right yahoo name.. How do I get in??? Dick Kuepper At 12:02 AM 6/18/00 +0000, you wrote: >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Old school buds here: >http://click.egroups.com/1/5536/4/_/494531/_/961286556/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > >S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. > >Date: Sunday, June 18, 2000 >Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > >Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. >Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains >Club/Room name is 'S Trains' > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8753	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 6/18/2000
Subject: Ernie's Last Run

Thanks, Tom Bangs, for letting us all know about Ernie Horr's passing. You've been a good friend to Ernie and Harriet, and you've been busy trying to pass the word to his many friends. For those who haven't heard the full story, Tom tells us that Ernie passed away at his home in Spokane, Washington, about 3 p.m. on Friday, June 16. He succumbed to pulminary fibrosis as a result of asbestos dust in his lungs from when he was a garage mechanic. To all of those who sent messages of hope and encouragement to Ernie a few months ago--thanks ever so much. It meant a lot to him to hear from all of you. Ernie was one of our "S Legends," and did so much to recruit to our scale. Our deepest sympathy to Harriet and the Inland Empire S Gauge Association of the Pacific Northwest, which was Ernie's pride and joy. So long, old friend. We'll miss you. John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8754	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: Loco's in strange places

Ed Loizeaux wrote: > Those Pennsy guys are sure lucky. I saw a photo recently of ATSF steam > mingling with K4s, etc. It was on lease to the Pennsy. Fortunately for > the SPFs of the world, there ain't no ATSF steam available in S scale > (yet) and so their wallets can remain fat (for now). Well, the Santa Fe did buy a couple of (L1?) Mikes from the Pennsy. They became the Santa Fe 880 class. Only pictures I saw were in Worley's "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" on the dead line. The Santa Fe apparently wasn't impressed with them. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8755	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Loco's in strange places

They were not up to the high standards of of the Santa Fe Larry Rich Gajnak wrote: > > Ed Loizeaux wrote: > > > Those Pennsy guys are sure lucky. I saw a photo recently of ATSF steam > > mingling with K4s, etc. It was on lease to the Pennsy. Fortunately for > > the SPFs of the world, there ain't no ATSF steam available in S scale > > (yet) and so their wallets can remain fat (for now). > > Well, the Santa Fe did buy a couple of (L1?) Mikes from the Pennsy. > They became the Santa Fe 880 class. Only pictures I saw were in > Worley's > "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" on the dead line. > > The Santa Fe apparently wasn't impressed with them. > > Be seeing you... > Rich G. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Would you like to save big on your phone bill -- and keep on saving > more each month? Join beMANY! Our huge buying group gives you Long Distance > rates which fall monthly, plus an extra $60 in FREE calls! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2567/4/_/494531/_/961436663/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8756	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Fwd: Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains

Somethin' from the 'toytrains' list: Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains Judge rules against M.T.H. Electric Trains request for injunction CHESTERFIELD, MI -- June 19, 2000 -- Lionel, L.L.C. announced today that it has successfully defended against a request for injunctive relief filed by M.T.H. Electric Trains in the Eastern District Court of Michigan. The Court turned down the M.T.H.'s request in a ruling it announced in Court on June 14, 2000. MTH filed a lawsuit against Lionel in the Eastern District of Michigan this year, claiming, among other things, that Lionel knew, or should have known, that a sub-contractor doing independent design work for Korea Brass, a Korean supplier for Lionel, allegedly used M.T.H. drawings to aid in the design of Lionel locomotives. It claimed theft of its trade secrets. Its claims were highly publicized, and the subject of a number of MTH press releases. In the lawsuit, MTH sought to have the court issue an injunction preventing Lionel from importing and selling any products made by Lionel supplier Korea Brass. The court ruling turning down MTH's request was made following a lengthy hearing, during which Mike Wolf, the CEO of MTH, testified. Richard N. Maddox, Lionel president & COO, would not elaborate on the details of the favorable decision of the court, but did say, "We were confident that the Federal Court would rule on the facts and turn down the M.T.H. request. We truly believe that this type of action by M.T.H. is harmful to our industry. Market success should be achieved through competition, not through the press or the courts." Lionel remains an American icon that designs, manufactures and markets train sets for children and limited-edition trains and accessories for hobbyists and collectors. Lionel trains are among the most valued toy trains in the market today, being collected or operated by over 100,000 toy train hobbyists. The success of Lionel is the result of a 100-year tradition of painstaking attention to quality. Lionel sells its products through a nationwide distributor and dealer network, the largest in existence today. Today, the Lionel legend continues to move towards the 21st century, providing kids and "kids at heart" with the finest quality toy trains. Thanks to a history of innovation and quality, Lionel -- the world-renowned manufacturer and marketer of electric toy trains -- is as timeless as the trains it produces. --- End forwarded message ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8757	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 6/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fwd: Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains

Appeal Larry Rick {bAss-flyer} wrote: > > Somethin' from the 'toytrains' list: > > Federal Court rules in favor of Lionel trains > Judge rules against M.T.H. Electric Trains request for injunction > > CHESTERFIELD, MI -- June 19, 2000 -- Lionel, L.L.C. announced today > that it has successfully defended against a request for injunctive > relief filed by M.T.H. Electric Trains in the Eastern District Court > of Michigan. The Court turned down the M.T.H.'s request in a ruling > it announced in Court on June 14, 2000. > > MTH filed a lawsuit against Lionel in the Eastern District of > Michigan > this year, claiming, among other things, that Lionel knew, or should > have known, that a sub-contractor doing independent design work for > Korea Brass, a Korean supplier for Lionel, allegedly used M.T.H. > drawings to aid in the design of Lionel locomotives. It claimed theft > of its trade secrets. Its claims were highly publicized, and the > subject of a number of MTH press releases. > > In the lawsuit, MTH sought to have the court issue an injunction > preventing Lionel from importing and selling any products made by > Lionel supplier Korea Brass. The court ruling turning down MTH's > request was made following a lengthy hearing, during which Mike Wolf, > the CEO of MTH, testified. > > Richard N. Maddox, Lionel president & COO, would not elaborate on the > details of the favorable decision of the court, but did say, "We were > confident that the Federal Court would rule on the facts and turn > down > the M.T.H. request. We truly believe that this type of action by > M.T.H. is harmful to our industry. Market success should be achieved > through competition, not through the press or the courts." > > Lionel remains an American icon that designs, manufactures and > markets > train sets for children and limited-edition trains and accessories > for > hobbyists and collectors. Lionel trains are among the most valued toy > trains in the market today, being collected or operated by over > 100,000 toy train hobbyists. The success of Lionel is the result of > a > 100-year tradition of painstaking attention to quality. Lionel sells > its products through a nationwide distributor and dealer network, the > largest in existence today. > > Today, the Lionel legend continues to move towards the 21st century, > providing kids and "kids at heart" with the finest quality toy > trains. > Thanks to a history of innovation and quality, Lionel -- the > world-renowned manufacturer and marketer of electric toy trains -- is > as timeless as the trains it produces. > --- End forwarded message --- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5535/4/_/494531/_/961460164/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8758	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: Test

I'm just testing my subscription to egroups Meanwhile check out; HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa This is a s-train museum, (among other things)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8759	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: winross

Got a letter in the mail from Winross. I'm on collector list. They are retiring and plan to make no more trucks. The business is for sale. Current stock is still being sold via phone, fax, and internet. There final list has a free truck with 6 ordered, and possibly some postage savings. 10 or 15 of the nostalgia series are still available. www.winross.com, Fax: 315-986-3849, 800-227-2060 (M-F 8-5 edt). - Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8760	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 6/20/2000
Subject: clean up

Hi Guys, I was a bit shaken up with the news of Ernie Horr passing away. Ernie was a great encouragement to me and was always happy to have me my family and me over to see his Tinplate Road layout even though we had two preschool aged boys. When people say that he did a lot to positively promote our hobby, they aren't kidding. He was one of the few train people who had seen my layout as well. I thought about his hospitality and decided that it was time to go out and clean up my trainroom so that it would be presentable if I had the opportunity to have visitors. Among other things that I learned from Ernie, I learned that our hobby is most enjoyable when it's shared. He modeled more than a train layout. He modeled a lifestyle worth following. Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8761	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: BOOK SHOPS

I am planning to visit the Morristown, NJ, and Bloomsburg, PA, areas on business next week and was wondering if anyone knows of any decent second-hand railroad book shops in that area. Mark P. Baker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8762	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal

I just acquired a 23568 Whistling Billboard and 759 Bell Danger Signal. The 23568 whistles just fine, but the fan/motor makes a fair amount of noise in the process. It sounds like it needs lubrication. Does lubrication help and if so what parts should I lubricate and with what? In regard to the 759, the bell doesn't sound very good. Essentially the rod driven by the solenoid hits it so fast that it is more a vibration than a bell. Any ideas/hints on how to make this sound better? Also, the lights work, but don't flash. I have attributed this to the fact that I don't have a track trip. Do the wheels of the cars as they go across the track trip create the flashing? Thanks in advance for the help. Art Goodell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8763	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: S-Figures & Ertl Train

I just boughgt an Ertl train set at toy liquidators, they are the 'outlet' version of Kay_Bee toys, Check Yahoo for the store near you. I also got a 'Winner Circle' 1/64 rac car for 5.99, it comes with about 12 pit guys. They are 'S' guys. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8764	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal

Lube gears with white lithium grease. (Not vaseline) Bearings use a very thin oil. Sewing machine oil perhaps. Roger Visit HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa to see my layout. aag_rlg@... wrote: > I just acquired a 23568 Whistling Billboard and 759 Bell Danger > Signal. The 23568 whistles just fine, but the fan/motor makes a fair > amount of noise in the process. It sounds like it needs > lubrication. Does lubrication help and if so what parts should I > lubricate and with what? > > In regard to the 759, the bell doesn't sound very good. Essentially > the rod driven by the solenoid hits it so fast that it is more a > vibration than a bell. Any ideas/hints on how to make this sound > better? Also, the lights work, but don't flash. I have attributed > this to the fact that I don't have a track trip. Do the wheels of > the cars as they go across the track trip create the flashing? > > Thanks in advance for the help. > Art Goodell > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8765	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Whistling Billboard/Bell Danger Signal

Ah, yes, the "Thunk:" bell sound is typical of a cracked bell. The only cure is to repair or replace the bell. I used to repair them by removing them and silver-brazing the cracks. I say used to, as I don't have the equipment now! Properly done, you get a really nice "Ding" out of the unit. Don't forget the fiber washer that helps isolate the bell so it can ring clearly. The flashing and ringing is done by the track trip, which is activated by each wheel flange going over it. You can burn out the coil by leaving a wheel on top of the trip, so don't park the train on the the crossing! There are probably modern circuits that can do the flashing and prevent this problem. It's one of my favorite trackside pieces, but that's probably because we had one as a kid. (and I still have it!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8766	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Bell

It sounds to me the track trip is needed as it would make the lights flash so should the bell ring. Sounds as the A.C. voltage is moving the rod and rebounding off the bell. I belive the track trip cuts the voltage to the sel. rod as well as the lights IHO Mike s. Correct me if I am wrong Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8767	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: 314AW

I was fortunate enough to pick up a 314AW with whistle controller, but not sure how to hook up the controller. I don't want to burn something out doing it wrong. There are two yellow wires and one green coming from the controller. I would guess that the green wire goes to the base post, one yellow wire goes to the fixed voltage post and the other yellow goes to the track (non-base side). Am I right, or is there another answer?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8768	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Bell

Yes, the bell also needs the track trip to make it ding as often as the wheels pass over it. Applying steady current to the bell ringer just holds the plunger against the bell which and not produce the repeated dinging. anormal1@... wrote: > > It sounds to me the track trip is needed as it would make the lights flash > so should the bell ring. Sounds as the A.C. voltage is moving the rod and > rebounding off the bell. I belive the track trip cuts the voltage to the sel. > rod as well as the lights IHO > > Mike s. > > Correct me if I am wrong Thanks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > http://click.egroups.com/1/2658/14/_/494531/_/961617862/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8769	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/21/2000
Subject: Re: S-Figures & Ertl Train

Paul Yorke wrote: > I just boughgt an Ertl train set at toy liquidators, they are the 'outlet' version of Kay_Bee toys, > > I also got a 'Winner Circle' 1/64 rac car for 5.99, it comes with about 12 pit guys. They are 'S' guys. I have read on the list before, and maybe at chat,..about the Ertl trains,..Can someone fill me in on these?,..size and all....You can email me direct... Also, I think I mentioned the "Winners Circle" set before, paid $9.99 for mine...At 5.99, that's a good deal!! These guys are easy to repaint {even for me..and I'm no modeler!!}, I cut one in half {that was waving} and put him in a convertible, the other half working under a car...That's 13 figures!! Even at 10 bucks, that's a good deal!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8770	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: ERTL TRAIN

Hi Rick, Your E-mail did not go througth so I will post this on the digest. Scenery Unlimited still sells the train. It is an all plastic train with track and toy like accessories. The engine is proportioned right for S and is battery operated. It's a GP35 and is red plastic with "SOO" markings. The freight cars come unassembled. I bought a set for $30 about 2 years ago at a True Value hardware store sellout. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Genn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8771	From: Ted Larson	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: NS AM Track

--- "Ron Bashista@ American Models" <rbashista@...> wrote: > Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:32:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: Update 3-20-2000 > From: "Ron Bashista@ American Models" <rbashista@...> > To: Ted Larson <mhrreast@...> > > The NS Flex track is a regular in stock item, at least for the next > year or two. Just to comment on the color I must say the bright silver gold color of our brass is much like the Atlas NS rail is. One can hardly tell it apart more then 1 ft away. Ron > ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8772	From: William H Trefts	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: What to see?

Greetings, The wife and I are headed east on I-70 from St. Louis to Shepherdstown, WV, then down to DC, Williamsburg and back I-64 to St. Louis. Any "Gotta-See, Gotta-Do" sites or shops on or near these routes? We're leaving July 2nd and back the 15th. Thanks in advance! Bill Trefts (And the reluctant, but charming Jo Ann.) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8773	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Flyer Geep body

Anyone have a Flyer Geep body, suitable for re-painting, they would like to part with? Gregg Mummert gmummert@... S Gauge - the only way to Fly(er)! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8774	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Re: [ertl]

Visit ... http://www3.kbkids.com/states/storfind.htm To find the nearest KB Toy / Toy Liquidator Outlet store near you. Happy hunting. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8775	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Passenger touch-up

I have acquired several MoPac passenger cars with wear on the roof. Does anyone know of a touch up paint which will match the silver color A.F. used on these cars? These are the 1958 version. Is this a good idea to try & touch them up for appearance sake, or is this a mistake? Suggestions? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8776	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Trucks For Sale

I have the following trucks to sell They are not marked with the scale size so I am listing the length and height in that order. 1-1999 Hess mini fire ladder truck 5"L 1 3/4"H $14.00 2-1995 Penn State University Matchbox Delivery box trucks 3/12L 13/4H $8.00 1-1997 PSU " '' $8.00 2-1997 PSU Matchbox Tractor Trailer 1of 10,000 8"L 13/4"H $15.00 each 1-1998 Hess mini Tanker 5"L 1 1/2"H $8.00 2-2000 Hess Mini first truck tanker 4 1/2"L 1 3/4H $8.00 1-1996Atlanta olympics Texaco Round back gas truck 4"L 1 3/4H $15.00 1-1983 Winross Antique auto club of America Hershey meet Tractor trailer 29 Chrysler model 75 on side 9"L 2 1/4H $25.00 LLedo AACA 32 Ford Panel Deliv 3"L 1 3/4" H $15.00 1-1992 PSU Tractor Trailer Matchbox 7"L 1 3/4"H $15.00 1-1998 PSU " " White Rose Collectables 8"L 2"H $15.00 1-1998 PSU Tractor &Double Trailer white rose collectables 9 1/2 L 2 1/2"H #2405 of 2500 $50.00 Windross Tractor &trailer Steel Case Furniture Logo on side 9 1/2H 2 1/2 L $15.00 All trucks are new in the boxes will ship USPS priority mail $3.20 shipping, Insurance Is extra please request if you want insurance. first email takes truck. all would look nice on a layout One of my dealers has these items for sale in my Antiques and Collectables Mall please Email off list to JOEAWOOD@ AOL.COM Wanted to make them avalable to list Subscribers before they go to E- thanks Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8777	From: Charles Sweeney	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe

Please remove from list thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8778	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 6/22/2000
Subject: Re: 314AW

Per the K-Line service manual: There should be three wires from the controller. White, to the variable post, Yellow, to the fixed post, and Green, to the track. A Black wire goes from the base post to the other track. There is no wire directly from the variable post to the track. Does anyone know what is inside one of these control boxes? I've got a 314AW but no controller. Bill Frazier In a message dated 6/22/00 6:42:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:30:05 -0700 From: "Kimball, Bob (PB)" <bob.kimball3@...> Subject: 314AW I was fortunate enough to pick up a 314AW with whistle controller, but not sure how to hook up the controller. I don't want to burn something out doing it wrong. There are two yellow wires and one green coming from the controller. I would guess that the green wire goes to the base post, one yellow wire goes to the fixed voltage post and the other yellow goes to the track (non-base side). Am I right, or is there another answer? >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8779	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: 314AW Controller

I have a controller, but it does not work. I know the problem is in the controller, not in the tender, because a friend's controller operates the whistle just fine. Any suggestions on where to start? I am a novice at electronics/electricity but I am willing to learn. I also have a friend who is willing to work on the controller if someone can provide some direction on where to start, and Volt/Resistance readings, etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8780	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: Photos of Jim's Coon Gap Sawmill

Jim Schulz of Colorado Springs, CO sent us some photos of his S Scale sawmill under construction, and he allowed us to post them to our web site. Since the S and O mills are identical save for the scale, I figured both lists might like to see them. http://www.btsrr.com/milpix2.htm Great work, Jim!!! Project status.... Less than ten kits of each scale left! All reserved S Scale kits have been shipped and about half of the O scale reservations have been shipped. We will have this one wrapped up on a couple of weeks. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8781	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: Tinplate

Big sales?? see http://www.lilliputmotorcompany.com/ I got a flyer from them today " up to 70% off" Some very cool stuff.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8782	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: 1998 Hess truck

Sorry collectors I made a Mistake The 1998 mini Hess tanker is priced at $50.00 The price on all other trucks is correct. The 1999 Fire truck is sold and the 1998 is on hold till i get the price straightned out with the first potential buyer sorry for the comfusion.Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8783	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/23/2000
Subject: New S-train member.....I hope.

I mentioned S-trains on the 'toytrains' list. Received this from a member there and thought I would share it with you!! > Saw your post to the toy trains egroup about an S gauge egroup. How do you > get into that one? I'm tired of reading about Lionel, MTH, and other 3-rail > garbage. Real trains only have two rails. Pretty much sums it up.....doesn't it??? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8784	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8785	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: : Rail Kids

http://www.railkids.com/page1.htm This has some interesting looking stuff for kids! Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8786	From: judy messinger	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Curious?

Just found an American Flyer set box that belonged to one of my long gone relatives. Had some junk stored in it. The label on the box shows it once held train set # K5329. Anyone know what a K5329 set would consist of? Thought,maybe, a 312? Thanks, Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8787	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Curious?

"judy messinger wrote:Anyone know what a K5329 set would consist of?" K5329 according to Robert Tufts book contained: The Metor 8-unit set. 293,925,947,924,929,933,930 12-702,4-700,706,690, 16-693

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8788	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] How good are they?

Thanks michael, As an S gauge fan this is one of the things we need to encourage if the scale is to grow. I participate in the work at several muesums, and there really is a lot of folks who come to see a display and get interested in the hobby if the display is done well and there are folks around to ask the basic questions about "what size trains are those","what the hobby is all about", "How do we get started", and "what does it cost", to mention just a few. There is usually some little folks in on the discussion and this is where we can make a difference. Lately there has been a lot of G gauge used in these museums, and now we're starting to see a renewed interest in O gauge. The reason is usually the "educators" feel the young ones can participate at a more intense level than with the HO and N gauge. I think it just might be they are not awhere of S gauge. So guys, lets get out there and "educate the educators" As an S gauge manufacturer, we were very gratified that the Studio chose a version of our adjustable chassis to use under the 8 wheel street cars. Just as a "heads up", there is apparently another exhibit being constructed separate from this one and they will be using our 4 wheel street cars in it. I don't know the schedule for completion, but it should be a beauty! Thanks again, Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> To: "S-scale@onelist.com" <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:45 PM Subject: [S-Scale] How good are they? > Sometime past I believe someone was wondering just how good the > S Helper Service SW-9's were. Well for those who do not get it, in the > July/August of the S Gaugian there is an article by a Rodger Pille > concerning the Cincinnati Museum Center located in the old Union > Terminal building. It seems when the Clarke Dunham Studios was working > with the Museum Center to design the exhibit, it became clear in order > to produce the "Cincinnati In Motion" Exhibit at the center, that S > scale was the right size for the project as far as the size and the > trains, trolleys and things. It also turns out the the S Helper Service, > American Models FA/FB, and the PHM products seem to to be the best > products to be able to run almost continually for 7 hours a day with > little or no maintenance. So yes, Virginia, S Helper Service engines can > take a licking and keep on running. > The design of the exhibit shows the city from 1900 thru the > 1940's and is around 3500+ square feet, 500+ vehicles and 2000+ people. > If you can, pick up the issue. I think you will find the article > worth buying the one issue for. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > http://click.egroups.com/1/5197/2/_/576498/_/961893471/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8789	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Baldwin S-8

Does anyone know what roads, other than CNW and Seaboard, owned the Baldwin S-8, which was prototype for American Flyer #355? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8790	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, June 25, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8791	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 6/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin S-8

Rock Island had S-8's 802-806, s/n 75683-75687, delivered 9-52. I have two AF Baldwins that came in T&P paint, but were repainted maroon with scotchlight striping, but not lettered. Also, when I got them, I remember seeing detail differences which made me qwonder what model AF was trying to do, even though Baldwin apparently used the same carbody for several versions of 800 and 1200hp units, but rearranged stacks, vents, hatches, etc. THE AF units never ran worth a darn, so it is one of those projects that has been sitting in the back burner for teh last 30 years or so. BTW, the S-12 demonstrators went to Rock Island later, and I have one to redo to match 758 or 759. DJE-KCMO sigma@... wrote: > Does anyone know what roads, other than CNW and Seaboard, owned the > Baldwin S-8, which was prototype for American Flyer #355? > Joe Pereira > > email: sigma@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get 6 months of FREE* MSN Internet access! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5725/14/_/494531/_/961969540/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8792	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: AM Woodside Caboose

Hi y'all, Got my AM Cabeese Saturday(scale, 2 undec and 1 CP). They're pretty nice. Now, before you prototype-fidelity guys go off on a tangent, no it's not as detailed as the SHS caboose. Based on photo's I've seen, it is pretty close to the GTW wood caboose. I would argue that the windows be a little higher on the carside. On to the quickie review: Plastic, except for end railings and truss rods. K-style brake cylinder, no brake rigging. Illuminated, with separate diffuser. Separate roofwalk. No coplers on the scale versions. Platforms are set up to accept the Kadee 802 or the AM dummy coupler. Four major components: roof/glazing, body, underframe/end platforms, cupola. Plus, separate ladders, grab irons, railings, stack and markers. (Note: the markers are more secure than on the 4-6-2) There is a little glow-in-the-dark syndrome from the lamps under high voltage conditions, so I've chosen to remove the lights and diffuser. When I buy some HiRail versions, I'll probably leave them in. Roof and glazing ar molded as one piece of clear plastic, separate cupola slides over its glazing, held to the body by four screws. Removing the roof for the first time requires some care, as it appears the roof paint has stuck to body paint, so be patient and slowly work from one end. Once the roof has broken free, it comes out easily. Likewise, the cupola has four locking tabs that are very fragile, I wound up breaking them on one of my cabeese. But, the slots and glazing hold the cupola in place securely. The light diffuser is held in by double-stick tape and is easily removed. The lighting board is held in using nuts on two very long truck screws. Over all, I'm satisfied with the AM woodside caboose. Looking at AM's brochure, their woodside caboose looks "right" in most of the roadnames. It strikes me that not very long ago, if S-scalers wanted a plastic caboose, the choice was only the Flyer USRA and bay window cabeese. (Which the Flyer folks cringe when one of those gets converted to scale.) Now we've got those plus, the AM woodside and bay window, Industrial Rail's "027" caboose, and the Cadillac of them all, the SHS extended-vision caboose. We've got some choice and variety in plastic, is that a bad thing? Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Intermodal

ToysRus and the close out toy stores sell more S gauge then the hobby shops. I have been buy the buildings that are 1/72 scale. There is a new $19 play set that I bought just to get the crain that can put the trailers on the RR cars. It is about the right height and can be made taller by putting spacers in the legs. It comes with a nice brick storage building and some construction beems. The rest including a battery train you give to a nice kid. It comes in a big blue box that says Toytown. I think I will use the new couplers on a string of cars that will be all truck, container carriers. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8794	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: 594 track gang workers

hi all... does anybody have or know the factory suggested wiring for this accessory???? thank'S' clay who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men??? Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8795	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Woodside Caboose

I haven't seen the cabosses upclose but the photos they look like good superdetailing or kitbashing prospects. Only problem is my railway runs cabooseless.Maybe one of the CP ones for

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8796	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin S-8

Heh Folks, Don't forget we have a replacement chassis coming out shortly for the A.F. Baldwin. See our web page for details. Tom@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <ironhors@...> To: <sigma@...> Cc: "zz S Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Baldwin S-8 > Rock Island had S-8's 802-806, s/n 75683-75687, delivered 9-52. I have two AF > Baldwins that came in T&P paint, but were repainted maroon with scotchlight > striping, but not lettered. Also, when I got them, I remember seeing detail > differences which made me qwonder what model AF was trying to do, even though > Baldwin apparently used the same carbody for several versions of 800 and 1200hp > units, but rearranged stacks, vents, hatches, etc. THE AF units never ran worth > a darn, so it is one of those projects that has been sitting in the back burner > for teh last 30 years or so. BTW, the S-12 demonstrators went to Rock Island > later, and I have one to redo to match 758 or 759. DJE-KCMO > > sigma@... wrote: > > > Does anyone know what roads, other than CNW and Seaboard, owned the > > Baldwin S-8, which was prototype for American Flyer #355? > > Joe Pereira > > > > email: sigma@... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get 6 months of FREE* MSN Internet access! > > http://click.egroups.com/1/5725/14/_/494531/_/961969540/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Buy and sell used, rare and vintage gear at the Web's best > music gear auction. Register to enter the weekly gear giveaway! > http://click.egroups.com/1/3735/14/_/494531/_/961981191/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8797	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 6/26/2000
Subject: RMHR & THE 7TH ANNUAL TREASURE VALLEY TRAIN SHOW

Hi everyone! Just a note to those of you that may be interested. The Rocky Mountain-Hi Railers did it again. The new and improved "Lookout Junction" layout took Peoples choice award and Best of show at the 7th annual NMRA Northwest Division show in Boise Idaho on June 23, 24, 25. It was held in conjunction with the 10th annual "Boise River Festival." The show was huge this year with many, many "circus" theme displays and layouts. The club has never failed to win "Peoples Choice" hands down. It is the only "S" scale layout to be seen at any of the shows. It has to compete with HO, N, O and G scale layouts of some magnitude and numbers. It is just a plain fun layout that has "please push" buttons and several operating accessories by AC Gilbert. The Public obviously has good taste.... Steve Blackburn...TCA, NASG, RMHR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8798	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Sale Barn

This is one of the best Ertl sets. Retailed for $39.99 selling for $9.99. Got mine at KB toys. It is big. Has interior bleachers. I am going to build a wreasing mat and use some of those WWF S figures. They can be found for $.99 with a drag racer. I think they are worth it for alone. Guys I have been finding more S gauge toy kit bashing projects at HO prices for years. You just have to get out and look. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8799	From: Bill Clark	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout

The Bristol Club met at Don Hasenzahl's layout (and attached house) for our May meeting. Don has a really outstanding Hi-rail layout with gargraves track fully ballasted, complete scenery, multiple mainlines, and lots of AF accessories. Skip Readio and I took some pictures of the layout and posted them to the web site. Hope you like them! The pictures are at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Don/Don.html the Bristol home page is: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8800	From: Asano Hida	Date: 6/27/2000
Subject: Get out and find it!!

Totaly agree with you Jim!! Finding structures, people, autos,and what-have-you, adds to the fun of having a layout!! And throw in a little imagination and WoW!!! The scenes you can make!! It's really great to find items that were NOT intended for 'S' use, but boy, they sure fit in!! Happy huntin'!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8801	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout

Wow! Another fine layout that has all the elements of a scale layout with the marriage of Flyer and contemporary HiRail equipment. Well done, Don! Bill, Thanks for bringing this one to our attention. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8802	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Dons Layout

Great shots of Dons layout!!!! Why haven't we seen this in Classic Toy Trains? Did I just miss it?If they ran it once they should do a revisit!!!!!! What about s-gaugian? Have they done an article or feature on Don's layout? Would love to read and see some more!!!! Thanks Fellow's. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8803	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: ...i have seen the greatest layout now!!!!

Thank you Bill for taking the time to share Don Hasenzahl's layout with us. I have been reading "S Guagian for 10 years.....and have never seen a series of incredible pictures like this. Don Hasenzahl's layout is the ULTIMATE AF LAYOUT combining original AF with the new scale, SHS, AM and Crown products. These pictures are magnificent!!!!! Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF Club Salt Lake City, Utah The Bristol Club met at Don Hasenzahl's layout (and attached house) for our May meeting. Don has a really outstanding Hi-rail layout with gargraves track fully ballasted, complete scenery, multiple mainlines, and lots of AF accessories. Skip Readio and I took some pictures of the layout and posted them to the web site. Hope you like them! The pictures are at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Don/Don.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8804	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Pictures of Don Hasenzahl's layout

...you must be a professional photographer.....those angles you shot and closeups...just the way you did the whole thing was exceptional!!!! You have outdone the S guagian magazine!!! I enjoyed your shots more than any article i have read there in 10 years....... Thank you for taking the time to shoot the material, and post the shots to your website. You have made many people's day!!! Wayne Broadhead Bill Clark wrote: > > Thanks Wayne! I'll pass this on to Don. Its his layout that deserves the credit. > > Thanks! > Bill > > At 08:37 AM 06/28/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Thank you Bill for taking the time to share Don Hasenzahl's layout with

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8805	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Could it have come that way?

I almost bought a 355 that ran pretty well, looked pretty good, and was priced well, until I noticed it had a 2-position reverse unit instead of a 4-position unit. Was it a 355 shell that some owner along the line put on a 21801 chassis, or could it have come from the factory that way during a "transition" year? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8806	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Could it have come that way?

Yep, could have come that way, the Baldwin was an "entry level" loco, so stuff was used up. BTW, there is an easy "fix" to make the Baldwin reverse unit work properly. You insert a Full wave bridge rectifier in series with the unswitched motor lead (and tie the DC output leads together). This acts as a voltage drop to the motor, so the revese unit has a chance of activating before the motor starts spinning. Mine is reliable enough now to be used as a yard switcher! Do keep the rectifier chip away from the plastic body, it will warm up a bit. My electronic friend tells me this is a better idea than just a resistor--I dunno; the chips are cheap, radio shack, about three bucks. Think I"ve already written about this idea, but a quick repeat can't hurt! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8807	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: Get out and find it!!

"Asano Hida" was the name on that post. Well I assure you it was me, Rick Evans!!! Someone changed some things in my profile!! Are you supposed to be able to do that??? I have sent notice to egroups. Also,...has anyone been added to any groups they didn't want to be?? I HAVE!!! Very annoying!! Rick,....{I think...}

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8808	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Will be out of town until the 5th

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8809	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Could it have come that way?

I would have to agree with Dave, although I certainly am no expert. Sure, someone could have changed the shell, even a factory repair shop, but it is probable that it is original. I have four Baldwin locos and one also has the two position unit. I couldn't verify as to whether or not anyone had changed the shell, but it appears to have consistent wear over all surfaces (truck side frames, shell, wheels) so I would venture to guess it's original. I have other pieces that have little aberrations like this, i.e. wrong trucks or coupler, etc. according to most books, so I would agree that parts were used until gone and some pieces don't happen to match exactly the "standard" item. This happens even now in lots of industries. A good example of this happened to me and a friend many years ago. We purchased two Colt AR-15 rifles, serial numbers only about 10 apart, that were supposed to be the then new A2 style. We found that both had some left over A1 parts/features. We contacted Colt and received confirmation that the above process was exactly what had happened. Our rifles were made early enough in the transition period that some left over parts were used where function or appearance wouldn't be affected. Being as frugal as AC Gilbert was, I wouldn't believe that he would not do the same. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO david_horn@... wrote: > I almost bought a 355 that ran pretty well, looked pretty good, and was > priced well, until I noticed it had a 2-position reverse unit instead of a > 4-position unit. Was it a 355 shell that some owner along the line put on a > 21801 chassis, or could it have come from the factory that way during a > "transition" year? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Red Herring perspective on the flood of venture capital here and > abroad with FREE e-newsletters: Dealflow, Dealflow Europe and VCPS. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5015/14/_/494531/_/962220994/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8810	From: busy-boy	Date: 6/28/2000
Subject: Trains in the Movies / Thomas

Hi Gang: This is a crosspost to two lists. Thomas the Tank Engine has his own movie coming to a theater near you, soon. The action combines live actors with 1:30 scale trains. The usual Shining Time crew will appear as well as Alec Baldwin, Peter Fonda and Mara Wilson. 38 days of shooting people in front of a green screen will result in much blended imagery of the actors placed in the scale environment. Three separate cinematographers contributed scenes. Paul Ryan, ASC, shot panoramas and beauty backgrounds on location on the Isle of Man and in Pennsylvania! Terry Permane, who films the Thomas TV show in Britain, shot the trains and all the miniatures while Canadian Robbi Hinds, CSC, shot all the actor's scenes, both conventional and green screen. A green screen puts an actor in limbo on a totally green background. Later, green is removed from the image leaving the actor working with no background. This image is superimposed against other scenes to make the audience believe that the actor was somewhere he was not. Sometimes, as in "Space Jam" he could be acting with cartoons. In this film it will be used to seamlessly marry 1:1 scale with 1:30. Look for "Thomas & the Magic Railroad" soon. No, I did not work on it! Twain on Twack Two, Chris Zizzo From an article in the July 2000 issue of "In Camera", p.40.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8811	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: DON'S LAYOUT

When Classic Toy trains and the S Gaugian turned down my article then the NASG Dispatch published it as a "Meet an S Gauger". It would be great to see an article written to go with the photos of Don's layout for publication in Classic Toy Trains first for national exposure to S gauge. The Bristol Club met at Don Hasenzahl's layout (and attached house) for our May meeting. Don has a really outstanding Hi-rail layout with gargraves track fully ballasted, complete scenery, multiple mainlines, and lots of AF accessories. Skip Readio and I took some pictures of the layout and posted them to the web site. Hope you like them! The pictures are at: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Don/Don.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8812	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Don's Layout

I did not have time to look at the photos until this morning. I agree, great layout. CTT and S Gaugian should be doing a photo spread. Then when I read about the camera in the PA I also thought TM should have this in the 2nd Fun and Thrills video they have been promising for over 5 years. The mix of vintage flyer accessories with current manufacturer rolling stock would do much to inform people outside of S about the great things going on from AM, SHS and others. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8813	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Autorama 88 Race Set

Does anyone know of a source for race track pieces for the above. I am short 1 short curve roadway piece to complete the figure 8 tack for this set. Thanks. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8814	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Red, White & Blue Sale!!!!

Dear Friends, Robin decided to have a Red, White & Blue Sale. She went over the items in our inventory, Items that were Red, White and/or Blue Sale on Sale and are 20% off from July 1st to July 4th. Web Master Jon did a great job on the announcement, and is worth the click just to see his work. Anyway, if you are interested, let us know. Don P.S. The container with the new wooden "Billboard" reefers leave the factory tonight and is expected at the warehouse the last week in July. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8815	From: softmoods@vcn.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: AM Cabooses

Hi All, To those that have bought the American Models Wood-Sided Cabooses. Here are some dis-assembly steps: NOTE: The trucks are attached with 1 1/4" long 8-32 screws, with two (2) sets of nuts on the back side. 1. Remove the four (4) courner screws. 2. The roof is spot glued (lightly) on each corner. Gently rock the roof back and forth the break the glue joint. 3. After breaking the glue joint, pull the roof straight off, as it also has the clear plastic for the windows attached (molded) to it. 4. Looking into the caboose shell, you'll find the lighting circuit attached to the caboose shell with the nuts from the long truck screws. 5. By removing the nuts, you'll release the lighting circuit card, the caboose weight, trucks from the frame and the frame & shell will seperate. 6. The roof ladders stay with the roof piece and the hand-rails & brake wheel will stay with the shell piece. With the exception the roof ladder bottom, all hand-rails & brake wheels are glued in. 7. The marker lights are also glued on, as well. Now your ready to paint or what ever. Robert Sherwood, Cheyenne, Wyoming

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8816	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Armor All

Hello to the group, Was doing some experimenting--wasn't sure if this was known or found out. I tried some Armor All Protectorant on Bakelite (Switches) & Old AF Roadbed--this a suggestion from the wife. The results are impressive. I was told this stuff has a water base, so? The Armor All puts a polished shine on the Bakelite and restores the roadbed to a nice black sheen. I would guess it won't last, but probably will last much longer than that on my auto tires. Anyone tried this or know more? John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8817	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: armor all

I think it may be a mistake to apply any kind of clear coating to American Flyer equipment. I don't believe there is any such coating that will not discolor and degrade over time. Perhaps there will be a short term gain in appearance, but in the long run, who knows?\ Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8818	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: ArmorAll

An older fella that got my #282 running again for me about three years ago, {Which started this whole Flyer operating and collecting thing!!}, applied "Armor All" to it. Looked kinda wet, but nice and shinny! {to the true "scale" people, I know locos are supposed to be dirty, greasy and grimy, but as far as a "TOY" train goes, I like 'em lookin' like new}. But, how shinny were they when they were new??? If at all? My 282 now looks like it did before and I probably won't re-coat it. I have used it on the roof of a couple of coaches. One was a circus coach that was scarred with different markings on the roof. By the time I was done with my little soft toothbrush,..the roof was slightly faded due to loss of paint. Slapped on the ol' ArmorAll and brought back the shine. As Tom J. said, what effect in the future will it have on Flyer items? I'll keep you posted in another few years on how my coaches hold up! :-) Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8819	From: Rick Evans	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Ertl Cow Town

Hi all, Finally picked up a "Cow Town" off of eBay. I, myself, am pretty impressed with it!! Eight little cowpokes and two little women, cows, horses, even little anvils for the blacksmith!! Sticker signs for the buildings, even little wanted posters for the Sheriff's office! I thought the cowboys would probably be TOO big,...but the size seems real close to 'S' compared to my other 'S' figures. Even has little chairs and tables for inside the saloon, and two roll top desks. Also has a stagecoach and a windmill. This is old news to some,...sorry,....just was excited about it. A little painting here and there, and the buildings and little props will look really good!! Can't wait to run my Franklin through town!! Although, there is no room on my layout as of yet.....might have to play on the floor! Happy Huntin' for those 'S' goodies!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8820	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: What's in a 5312-T set???

Hi again, Knew I would forget somethin' in my last post!! I would like to know what came in the 5312-T Flyer set. Pretty sure the loco was a Atlantic. If someone could send me the #'s of the loco and rolling stock, that would be great! I do not have a book on sets,...would like to get one though. Hint-hint!! Thanks a lot! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8821	From: David Dewey	Date: 6/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Armor All WARNING!!!

Armor All is known to cause plastic piano keys to crack. Apparently there is silicone in it, and it somehow allows the stress (from molding) in the plastic to be released until it concentrates in one location--zing! a crack forms. The Locos, at least until '55 or so, were a relatively flat finish from the factory. If you loose sheen on passenger cars, I would use Mequires No7, it contains NO silicones (in fact, you can paint over it afterwards!), but try it on a small spot first, as it may effect some AF paints. Definately will probably effect white lettering, as most of the lettering is just printer's ink, and can easily be lost. The switch tops clean up nicely with cleansers, and I've even resorted to polishing them, at least the bakelite ones, the late ones, from about '58 on, are a different plastic, you can tell by the flow lines that show as streaks in the finish. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8822	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: dressings

I've separately tried Endust and Meguiar's Rubber and Leather Cleaner and Conditioner (satin finish) on different metal and plastic surfaces that looked like they could stand some reviving. So far so good, not too glossy, no cracks or varnishing. Clean well (mild Ivory liquid soap and water), dry the item, then apply with a moistened cotton cloth, gently remove any excess with a dry cotton cloth. Be careful of lettering, numbers, etc. but generally no great risk of removal. I'm not sure what # the Mequiar's Product is, but David S it might be what you were referring to. I'd have to give it the nod over Endust. I don't use it on many things, but my 21210 F-9, for example, sure looked better after the Mequiars than before. Just wish it wasn't so tipsy. Has anyone experimented with adding weight to one of these? Good results? I'm considering adding some weight low (between fuel tank panels) to help it corner better. It has plenty of speed and power otherwise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8823	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What's in a 5312-T set???

In a message dated 6/30/00 5:03:50 AM, comic@... writes: << 5312-T Flyer set >> The contents of set #5312T are : 302, 641, 623, 625, and 638; 12-702, 704, 690, and a 1-1/2 -- from either Kalmberg Vol. 3, the Tufts book, or the 1953 Gilbert catalog, of course. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8824	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Chateau Martin NASG Convention Car

Hi All, A small batch of the first of the S-Helper Service refrigerator cars has arrived California. It is the wine car which is one of this year's NASG Convention cars painted a light purple with black roof and lettered for Chateau Martin winery. The model does not have ice hatches since the prototype was rebuilt from refrigerator and milk cars, and the ice hatches were removed when tanks were installed inside the car. Both of this year's NASG Convention cars will be on the cover of the June Dispatch (presently being printed), and an order form insert should also be in the same issue. The other convention car is a Pacific Rail Shops 40' box car kit in the Southern Pacific silver "Overnight" scheme. The small batch (48 cars) of S-Helper cars are for sale at the convention. The remainder coming in the container will be used to fill mail orders. Lee Johnson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8825	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: polishes

I have used OZ on transformer cases and switches (turnouts). Seems to be ok. Almost all Flyer rolling stock was painted in a semi-flat (mostly flat) finish. They were trying to make the trains more realistic than Lionel's, remember. The only exception I know of is the North Coast Limited. Some early dyed acetate passenger cars were glossy because of the plastic used. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8826	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: 350 Royal Blue

Has anyone heard of a Royal Blue set with #494, #495 Blue pass. cars? Thank You, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8827	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 350 Royal Blue

In a message dated 6/30/00 3:53:45 PM, anormal1@... writes: << Has anyone heard of a Royal Blue set with #494, #495 Blue pass. cars? Thank You, Mike S. >> Yup. The prewar O gauge set #4007 with the 556 B&O Royal Blue. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8828	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Ertl Cow Town

Yeah, that Ertl stuff is tempting, but it doesn't fit in with my layout schemes. Too bad they don't make a ghetto, Hell's Kitchen, waterfront, or Red Light District. Although come to think of it Hell's Kitchen did have cows and horses and the Tenth Avenue Cowboys. Hmm... Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8829	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: pimps& hos

But Tom Where are you going to get the 1/64 pimps and crack smok'n hos Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8830	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: No. 763 Mountain Set

WANTED: Center section of 763 mountain set, I have both ends, but I am missing the middle section, any condition, good to very poor. thank you Jerry Dobbs Lakewood Colo T.C.A. 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8831	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 677

5312T set. THE BLACK DIAMOND FAST FREIGHT, 1953- Retail $24.95 302 Reading Lines, w/red smoke,choo-choo; 641 Frisco gondola; 623 Illinois Central refrigerator car; 625 Gulf tank car 638 American Flyer Lines caboose without light. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8832	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Mike: I couldn't use crack smokin' ho's on a transition era layout. They didn't have crack then. Have to have the regular variety. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8833	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: layout building lights

Hi all, Just trying to generate a little action here on the list. Have a simple question. What color bulbs do you prefer in your layout buildings?? I am using white and amber. I started using white bulbs {grain-o-wheat and some little screw in bulbs},but found them to be too bright. Changed some to amber. Then I found out that if I switched from the AC side to the DC side of the HO transformer that I use, I can dimm the lights. Plus the white lights really light up a Plasticville building!!! Pictures I've seen in the magazines seem to show a amber glow through the windows, but is that just the way it looks when photographed?? Soooo....white or amber?? Whats your choice?? I am putting colored flashing lights in my diner but found I'll have to use another transformer as it makes the others seem to blink & dim slightly. Thanks for your help! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8834	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 6/30/2000
Subject: building lights

To avoid building glow, paint the insides of structures black or use aluminum foil to block unwanted light. One fun thing you can do is to use plastic birthday cake candle holders to make outdoor lamps for station platforms and other structyures. Drill them out and use the size bulb that lives in Sam the Semaphore man. Radio Shack sells the bulbs and sockets. The bulbs are #272-1143. The socket type is E-5. I think. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8835	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Cake decorating stores

I have found bride and grooms, trees, reisued Plasticville swimming pool and walking bridge. Some farm animals and buildings. I have found furniture wood moldings smoke units and fancy paper at Doll House stores. Plastic stores that sell to sign builders. I was picking up cut outs at $1 a pound. They had great plastic cuters and glues. Great sourse for ice for the reefer cars. You have to hunt for stuff. The ERTL Hog Confinement set $19.99 is selling at $4.99 at close out stores. The hogs are worth $4.99. If you want ladies of the evening, shop where they sell Dungen and Dragens. I just painted an Elvira look a like. You can find Indian Jones, cheer leaders with Pom Poms. One version is in high heels. They sell a templet that you add techure too, then remove the seems and have a stome wall. Has anyone tried it? Now you know my secret life. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8836	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Re: New Wooden "Billboard" Reefers

Today, the container with our new "Billboard" wooden reefers is being loaded on to the California. Luna 72E25 (Hapag Lloyd). It is scheduled to sail on Monday and to arrive in Seattle on July 14th. We expect a July 24th arrival at the port of NY. Jon had loaded new photos from Bob Werre on the reefer web page and can be viewed at: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodreefers.html As noted yesterday, a partial shipment of the 2000 NASG National Convention cars were received. It is the wine car which is one of this year's NASG Convention cars painted a light purple with black roof and lettered for Chateau Martin winery. The model does not have ice hatches since the prototype was rebuilt from refrigerator and milk cars, and the ice hatches were removed when tanks were installed inside the car. I will let you know when jpegs for viewing will be available on line. Everyone have a happy 4th. Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8837	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ertl Cow Town

In a message dated 6/30/00 6:16:03 PM, jarcho@... writes: << Too bad they don't make a ghetto, Hell's Kitchen, waterfront, or Red Light District. Although come to think of it Hell's Kitchen did have cows and horses and the Tenth Avenue Cowboys. Hmm... >> Tom, are you aware of Bruce Manson's Flyer layout? It is a huge display with a real "slice of life" theme. It is best viewed on TM's "Fun and Thrills" video tape, but it is also described in "Great Toy Trains Layouts" by TM Books. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8838	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The July list is up for your shopping pleasure. Are we having fun yet? Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8839	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 2, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8840	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra L Roberts	Date: 7/1/2000
Subject: Evers Index

See "Police Specials" for numerous 1:64 scale Racing Champions cars & trucks at $2 each https://www.marketplaza.com/cgi-bin/scmap.cgi/store=evers+uid=12359/evers/button.map?86,10 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8841	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Re: building lights

T. Jarcho. wrote: > To avoid building glow, paint the insides of structures black or use > aluminum foil to block unwanted light. What will painting the insides of Plasticville buildings do to the value of the older ones? {If any} The foil sounds like a good idea. It would have to work better then the cardboard and black tape I used to keep light from shinning thru the roofs of a couple of buildings!! The foil can be somewhat molded into the nooks and crannys. I use the frosted scotch tape to give the windows some kind of a glass look, and you can't look into the empty building, plus it tones down the light shinning out.{not sure if frosted is the right term...how 'bout non-clear!} Hmmmm....now where's that Reynolds Wrap??? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8842	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 2, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8843	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: 1/64th {and close to it} cars for sale list

Hi all, Awhile back a few of you showed some interest for a list of cars I am selling. I am finally working on the list!! Please email me off the list and I'll zip you out a copy. Thanks a lot! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8844	From: James Roberts	Date: 7/2/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

-----Original Message----- From: jfred436@... <jfred436@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. >For some reason my server didn't let me in till after >9:00, by the time I did get in there was nobody there. I >hope any that did get in had a good chat. >> >> >> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. >> >> S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. >> >> Date: Sunday, July 2, 2000 >> Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) >> >> Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. >> Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains >> Club/Room name is 'S Trains' >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8845	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: lighting inside buildings

I use clear bulbs, but use liners to keep light from showing through plastic walls/roof/doors, colored tape(s) over windows (e.g. beige packaging tape looks like old pull-down shades), and voltage modulation to get the right effect. For liners, aluminum foil, aluminumized duct tape (for those hard to reach corners, and black costruction paper work well. My Plasticville church was the toughest (only want the light out the stained glass windows). I built a full liner (stands on it own) out of black construction paper with cut outs only at the windows. On that one I also lined the roof with aluminized duct tape and sealed some of the eaves with white silicone (just the sealant type so you can peal it off later). Has a nice "evening service" glow with the room lights turned off. I'm not a scale modeler, and love the toy train motif of things from the 40's-50's pretty much just they way they are, but entire buildings aglow does look funny so I work them a bit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8846	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Meguiars product

It is #40 that I've used with some success. Again, not glossy, but richer color quality for those tired tones. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8847	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: lighting buildings

i,too love the look of the plasticville buildings-their "scale" and proportion is ideally suited for toy trains. my experience is that true scale buildings make the trains look hokey. for illumination i have used grain of wheat and grain of rice lights-one can use one or several to get that some rooms lit, some dark as in real life. putting white or buff paper in the windowc, along with highlighter "shades", helps enhance the illusion. duct tape is a great building liner, it keeps the "glow" to a minimum (unless one is modelling the nuclear family, ho ho). pea lights can be used on the outside of municipal buildings to simulate globe lamps. k-line has a few buildings with simulated spot lights for the marquees- i drill thru the top of the fixture, then from the side facing the building, then into the wall, and thread a grain of rice bulb into it. nice spotlight effect. my new 2 gauge layout is now under construction, so, if and when i find the floppy for my scanner, i'll have some pictures to share. i don't think i'll have my dinosaur farm this time; however, the p-ville airport will be sporting the old testor's model of the Graf Zeppelin-and a placard promoting airship rides for $1.keep 'em rolling!!-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8848	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: trains and baseball

Watched the Yankee game at Tropicana Field in Tampa on TV last night; the announcers mentioned that the artificial turf was made from GROUND UP FOAM RUBBER. "Imagine that!", they said. Best looking artificial turf I ever did see. Happy Fourth of July to all of you and your families. It's one of my favorite holidays. There's really something to think about and feel proud of on that day. Always try to do a litttle reading to get me in the mood. This year I just read Liberty! The American Revolution, by Thomas Fleming. What amazing times and achievements we celebrate ttomorrow. Enjoy it! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8849	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Royal Blue Passenger set

Has anyone ever converted an AF pre-war 3-rail 3/16" Royal Blue passenger set to two-rail S-gauge? Do you just change out the trucks of the passenger cars and sell the engine, or it there more to it than that? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=37295 0796 I especially like streamlined steam engines and their matching trains of the 30's and 40's - - Hiawatha, C&O 49X, NYC 20th Century, SP Daylight, NW 6XX, but there just isn't much of it around. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8850	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue Passenger set

I understand there are other mounting differences with the prewar shell. I would think it would be more productive to find a postwar shell and put a pulmor chassis under it. S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8851	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Union Station

Does anyone have a paint formula for "matching" the original station tan? Mine is desperately in need of a repaint. Thanks. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8852	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: foam board + homosote layout construction?

I've read much about various types of layout construction- plywood, OSB, particleboard, pink/blue foam board, etc. I'm attracted to the idea of foam board because of its weight (or lack there of) but understand that it tends to be loud. Has anyone tried foam board topped by a layer of homosote? It would seem that the result should be a (relatively) light yet quiet layout. Am I on to something here or am I completely off base? Inquiring minds want to know! Jerry Riechert Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8853	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] foam board + homosote layout construction?

I recently built a module for the Trinity 'S' Gaugers here in the Dallas area. Most of the older original modules use ceiling tile covered with homosote roadbed. I decided to try the foam board. I used custom cut plywood 5 inches by 3/4 for the sides and bracing covered by 7/16ths oriented strand board as a base covered by 1/2 inch foam with homosote roadbed. The noise level is no different than the rest of the modules which substitute the ceiling tile for the foam. I assume the homosote is doing it's job. You have to be careful with a module and protect the sides if you are using the foam board as it is easier to damage it in transit. A home layout should not have that problem. I intend to use the foam board in spots on my home pike which is in the preliminary stages of construction. Ted Weiler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8854	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: Another Cross Posting from Chris (Chris Cross?)

Some of you MUST listen to Click & Clack, The Tappet Brothers, who host "Car Talk" on Public Radio. Every Saturday, along with dispensing automotive wisdom and bad jokes, the duo offer a puzzler which listeners are invited to solve. This week's offering was a railroad puzzler, one of which they occasionally offer (remember the bee?). Here is a reprint from their weekly e-mail: _____________________________________________________________________ To: Car Talk Puzzler Psychic Friends Network From: Maury Maille Puzzler Tower Car Talk Plaza Hahvahd Squayah Our Fair City RE: A locomotive puzzler. RAY: This came from someone named Tim Sullivan. And I don't know if the facts are correct, but the flavor of it is so good that it makes no difference if the particulars are right. He writes, "Years ago, when railroads used steam locomotives, the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad had a busy freight line running south from Rochester, New York. "A single locomotive of the 2-8-2 type had two wheels in the front, which didn't do much of anything, eight wheels behind those, which were the drivers, four on each side, and two wheels in the back, which supported the weight. "So this 2-8-2 locomotive could handle a train of 80 cars. "But on this particular run south from Rochester, it HAD to have these 80 cars. It couldn't make it with say, 60. The question is, why did it need the 80 cars? "And the hint is, there's something unusual about the run between Rochester and wherever it was going." Finally, those days hopping freight trains may be of some use to you! (And to us...) Send your answer to the locomotive puzzler to http://cartalk.cars.com/Mail/puzzler-answer.html If you're right and we select your answer, we'll send you a $25 Shameless Commerce Gift Certificate. Want to hear Ray explain the new Puzzler? You can listen anytime in Realaudio at http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Puzzler/ ____________________________________________________________________ The answer comes next week. Enjoy! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8855	From: john foley	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Manufacturers If you do not have a table at the NMRA San Jose convention, You are welcome to send some literature to Lee Johnson. We will be happy to give it out at the NASG both. Lee's address is 2472 Lariat Lane, Walnut Creek Ca. 94596. You can also drop off literature at booth. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8856	From: Roy Inman	Date: 7/3/2000
Subject: S Helper SW 9

Looking for S Helper Service SW 9/1200 Switcher, opposite number from #00120. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8857	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Another Cross Posting from Chris (Chris Cross?)

Er, I sent in my answer, but I'm not telling what it is!! So IF I win the "gift certificate" (which is not likely to be delivered!) I'll have Chris to blame, er, thank. Hmm, back to organizing the garage. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8858	From: a50flyer@aol.com	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Foam board layouts

Greetings S Patriots, I have built several portable layouts using 2 " EPS foam with 1X3 frame and 16"on center supports use liquid nails &dry wall screws. Paint with laytex house paint , use a heat gun to blend in details , set track on cork tape or homasote,blend in details with dap painters caulk mixed with acrylic colors. sit back and enjoy the chuff ,smoke and wheel click of S trains Marty Wik A50flyer @aol

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8859	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Foam Board

>I've read much about various types of layout construction- plywood, OSB, particleboard, pink/blue >foam board, etc. I'm attracted to the idea of foam board because of its weight (or lack there of) > but understand that it tends to be loud. Has anyone tried foam board topped by a layer of >homosote? The RASG has used some foam board, with and without Homa-Bed over it. Charlie Smith built lightweight modules using foamboard with Homa-Bed overit. These modules are noticably QUIETER than our modules which use HomaBed over plywood. We also tried laying track directly on foam. That did not work out well. Anyplace where we needed to install tie spikes, the pressure of pushing the spikes into the ties compressed the foam. This did not occur where we also used Homa-Bed; the Homa-Bed spread the pressure out. In either case, all track should be well supported to remain flat, ALL construction materials that absorb moisture should be sealed. I like to seal wood (BOTH SIDES) with a clear sealer (shellac, varnish, or polyurethane) rather than paint, because the natural wood looks so good, and is easily recoated in case of damage. Don't forget to seal the underside of any plywood you use. We have had trouble with plywood absorbing moisture and warping / sagging over time, causing the rail above it to undulate. Not pretty when this occurs close to the end of a modules. The change in angle where the sag meets the next module tends to cause uncouplings. Put in plenty of crossbraces. It is much more difficult to correct warp / sag than to prevent it. Thin foam can also sag, so give it bracing. Don't seal the TOP side of your plywood before installing your HomaBed. Glue does not stick well to clear sealer. Regarding e-Bay, several weeks ago I sent in a request that they add an S scale category due to the difficulty of finding S items. They are not all in the same location, and even when I search on "S" I don't think I find it all, plus I get many other listings that have an "s" in them................... Glad somebody thought of suggesting it to the rest of the group. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8860	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Fw: MHRR Web

Okay, its July 4, my wife is working, my daughter is at camp, my son went to the parade............. and............. http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/index.html is on the air. Please inform me of any problems that you see. Also note, ho-S-O is now on the above Trainweb site. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division BABY Peregrine Falcons http://www.kodak.com/US/en/corp/features/birdcam2000/index.shtml

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8861	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 681

For quite running trains, I use jute carpet pad cut in 4" strips. Do not nail ( or screw) tight! let the track float. use what ever wood is cheep, plywood or such, I use 1"x 6" on a 1"x 4" grid frame table. I have used Damaged wood paneling, it is cheap and light, it needs to be supported at 3'-0" centers and along the sides with 1" x 2" (furring strips). Add extra ties and fill between the tracks with OIL-DRY (or equal) clay, held in place with diluted ELMER'S glue or JOHN'S BALLAST GLUE. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8862	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: Great American Train Store - R.I.P.

To all those hobby shops who refuse to stock S-scale, the following fate awaits you: NEWS ITEM:The Great Train Store Company might specialize in train- themed merchandise, but it seems its lenders are the onesblowing the whistle. The national chain of about 55 specialty retail storesin 26 states filed Chapter 11 in early 2000 after poor sales causedlenders to cut off its working capital supply. Great Train Storesfeature toy trains and railway playthings by makers such as Brio,Learning Curve Toys, and Playmobil. Thomas the Tank Engine toys are one of itsmost popular lines. Stores also sell model trains and accessoriesby Lionel, Athearn, and K-Line. Train lovers can also find clocks, musicboxes, whistles,and train-themed ties, T-shirts, and jewelry. FounderJames Levi owns about 26% of the company.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8863	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: Ertl and Racing Champions

Looks like there is some good stuff here. In addition to Classified Classics, look at Custom Cruisers and Ertl's American Muscle. Caution,several of the new ones have HotRod tires and wheels. Several others appear to be ok, such as '53 Packard, '67 Fury, '40 Ford coupe, and '57 Chrysler. Can't quite tell about a few, such as '39 Chev and '68 AMX. The '65 Lincoln looks good, but is it undersize like the Cadillac, or is it 1:64th scale??????????? > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:03:49 -0700 Keith Thompson > <keith.thompson2@...> writes: > > The new Classified Classics 1/64 Scale cars are in stock at > > Tommytoyz. They are: > > > > #23 33 Willys > > #24 67 Plmouth FuryII > > #25 53 Packard Caribbean > > #26 1970 Trans Am > > > > You can see them all at > > http://tommytoyz.safeshopper.com/99/cat99.htm?563 -- Keith Thompson > > in Kent, Wa. > > _____________ ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8864	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/5/2000
Subject: MTH RailKing crossing signals, etc.

Help, While at the local train store I was checking out the MTH RailKing series of signals. crossing gates, etc. I think that they would work well on an S gauge hi-rail layout. Has anyone out there had any experience using these items? They are for 3-rail track, but if I remember correctly, back in the olden days, there were some articles in Toy Train magazine about using both AF and L operating accesories on either a AF or L layout. Any information would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8865	From: Alice S. Beachy	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: MTH accessories

Hey Tom, The MTH scale stuff looks and works very good on an S gauge layout. I currently have the crossing flashers with bell, the double track signal on one riser, and the round signal with the multi-light pattern. (don't you love my grasp of RR terminology?) They are advertised as O "scale" but they still look much better than the toy stuff from Lionel, K-line and even the MTH toy stuff. I now have two levels of track on my layout. One is all traditional Flyer or Lionel repro of Flyer with the traditional toy size accessories. The other is slowly becoming more realistic looking stuff. That is where I put my MTH accessories. I think MTH is coming out with a new scale bullet signal this fall. Hope to see you at one of the Carolina shows this fall. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8866	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Metrolina Train Show

Just a reminder that the Metrolina Train Show will be held this Saturday from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. at the Merchandise Mart (next to the old coliseum) on Independence Boulevard in Charlotte, North Carolina. The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be operating their modular layour during the show, so all of you S gaugers in the Carolinas be sure to stop by and see us. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8867	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Racing Champions

Stopped by a Big Lots store yesterday and was surprised to see much Mint Editions stuff; '49 Cadillac, '65 Ford, '65 Ford PU, '58 Edsel, '40 Ford panel truck ambulance, etc. for $2-3 each. At $2 each, buy the ones with normal wheels / tires to use as replacements on vehicles that have the hot rod wheels / tires. Remember the chatter several months back about a 4 car set; modern, '50 Chev, Checker, and 30's something painted for police or NYC cab? Saw those also at Big Lots - $7. There was also a 4-pack of 20's-30's trucks. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8868	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 7/6/2000
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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8869	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.

St Louis Museum is south of city about 5 minutes and is off on acountry road. 2 years ago it was being run as a portion of the city park system. There is some really unique items in the collection and the operation appeared to be headed in the right direction to grow. The push was to keep the collection stable while running some steam excusions to generate income. The trip is really worth the time! Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...> To: "Jim Kindraka" <raisinone@...> Cc: "Roy Hoffman" <royhoffman@...>; <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P. Jim & all, These stores are/were located in malls, hopefully to obtain foot traffic. Hobby stores that would really promote the hobby, NOT. In the store I visited, the staff was okay, but differently NOT train people. A lot of different trains and sizes. Always a G gauge train running partly outside over the doorway to attrack attention, an HO & N scale smallest ovals inside. Train oriented music inside. (City of New Orleans, etc). I happen to walk in while some local TV crew was there from Long Island. I probably really killed the interest there. Saw some advertising, but nothing to attrack train people, maybe the mom or dad for the Christmas type of train set. There is/was a St. Louis Museum of Transport, don't recall where it is/was located. Saw an article once I think in either TRAINS or Model Railroader. They were in the process of moving to larger quarters. Most of the pictures of the equipment seemed to be in bad shape, although better then the PA's that they just brought back from Mexico. Jim Kindraka wrote: > Roy Hoffman wrote: > > > NEWS ITEM: The Great Train Store Company ,<skip> The national > chain > > filed Chapter 11 in early 2000... after poor sales caused lenders to > > > cut off its working capital supply. > > The Michigan store is (was) located in an up scale mall with > Neiman-Marcus and Sacks 5th Avenue (Real fodder for Thomas the Tank, > eh...) and the store I visited in St Louis Union Station was staffed > by > a couple of arrogant idiots ("National Museum of Transport, never hear > > of it, can't be worth looking for..."). Score a victory for customer > service over marketing hype... > > Jim K. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to > s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Where do sports heroes like Derek Jeter, Mia Hamm, Vince Carter and Peyton Manning hang out? Where else? Click now and find 'em all here! http://click.egroups.com/1/6211/2/_/576498/_/962881344/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8870	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.

I didn't know there was one at Barrett's Station Road, but there was one in the reincarnated St. Louis Union Station; the only other one I ever saw was on the Country Club Plaza here in Kansas City. Both were full of the aura of daisy-pickers. Should prove that if you cater to Thomas the tank engine, you'll go in the tank. DJE >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8871	From: john foley	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Locomotive diagrams

Hi Folks I found this website and I thought it might be of use to some. It is for Pennsy equipment but I am sure some info is the same as other railroads Check it out at http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=loc&sz=sm&fr= John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8872	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.

Hmm, Well, everyone, I PLAY WITH TRAINS!! And I'm proud of it!! Uh oh, do I have to join TPA? (Train Players Anonymous) My Name is David, and I play with trains. Group Hug! Of course, when you get deeper into asking me, you'll discover that my trains are also 12" to the foot, sometimes. I can remember years ago, when I was working on the display of SP 1727 in Dunsmuir, a TV reporter came by to talk to me. I thought, "Oh great!! We'll get more support for this restoration!" Well what she put on the TV made me look like a "train crazy fool trying to fix up this old locomotive." So I have learned to live with the label. Even my mom didn't understand how large a group we "train nuts" are until the 4449 came through town, and stopped for the night. (I made a special sign for our Resort's reader board, "Welcome 4449" which even made a photo in one of the books.) The next day she told me, in complete amazement; "There are many others like you out there!" The general public seems to be more aware than before of trains, and more accepting in many ways of them. In other ways, though, they are ignorant of them too. The Great Stores could have been a positive force, but I think the management really didn't understand how. No sure I do either, but we all now know what NOT to do! Back to counting people! My new census position leaves even less time for trains AAAAUUUGH!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8873	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 7/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.

David Dewey wrote: > Hmm, > Well, everyone, I PLAY WITH TRAINS!! And I'm proud of it!! Yes David, we know about it. Me too. :o) > > Uh oh, do I have to join TPA? (Train Players Anonymous) Please send me their address :o) I wanta join. :o) > > My Name is David, and I play with trains. > Group Hug! Don't forget a big grin. :o) > Of course, when you get deeper into asking me, you'll discover that my > > trains are also 12" to the foot, sometimes. Some guys get all the luck. > made me look like a "train crazy fool trying to fix up this old > locomotive." All this time I thought you was a ferroequinoligst. > > So I have learned to live with the label. Even my mom didn't > understand > how large a group we "train nuts" are. That's cause she was making you cookies instead of paying attention to to train nuts. Opps -- ferroequinologists > "There are many others like you (David) out there!" SHhhh ! don't tell anybody. > Back to counting people! I thought you would have been done with that by now. Make it easy. Run the people through a train station counting turnstile. Then your job will be more fun. :o) Roger at HTTP://www.travel.to/cofa A train place. A nice place to be. :o) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8874	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Great American Train Store- R.I.P.

Dear David, Thank you for sharng! Don Thompson David Dewey wrote: > Hmm, > Well, everyone, I PLAY WITH TRAINS!! And I'm proud of it!! > Uh oh, do I have to join TPA? (Train Players Anonymous) > My Name is David, and I play with trains. > Group Hug! > > Of course, when you get deeper into asking me, you'll discover that my > trains are also 12" to the foot, sometimes. > I can remember years ago, when I was working on the display of SP 1727 > in Dunsmuir, a TV reporter came by to talk to me. I thought, "Oh great!! > We'll get more support for this restoration!" Well what she put on the TV > made me look like a "train crazy fool trying to fix up this old locomotive." > So I have learned to live with the label. Even my mom didn't understand > how large a group we "train nuts" are until the 4449 came through town, and > stopped for the night. (I made a special sign for our Resort's reader > board, "Welcome 4449" which even made a photo in one of the books.) The > next day she told me, in complete amazement; "There are many others like you > out there!" > The general public seems to be more aware than before of trains, and more > accepting in many ways of them. In other ways, though, they are ignorant of > them too. The Great Stores could have been a positive force, but I think the > management really didn't understand how. No sure I do either, but we all now > know what NOT to do! > Back to counting people! My new census position leaves even less time for > trains AAAAUUUGH!! > S' > David D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! > Visit Firetalk.com - click below. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5479/14/_/494531/_/962940294/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8875	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

The museum is 15 miles W. of downtown St. Louis, about 1 1/2 miles W. and S. of the intersection of I-270 and Manchester Rd. (Hwy 100.) People I know who have been to museums in the East and Midwest say it has some very unique attractions. Some of the engines and rolling stock are in need of repair, but most are fresh, well painted and well presented. On the grounds is the first RR tunnel built West of the Mississippi, around the 1830's. This line later bacame a main line for the MoPac. I do not live in St. Louis now, but I visited the museum after Fall S-Fest last year. I think it is magnificent. Steve Pendleton [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8876	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: New Web Site

I've been working on a new S-Scale oriented web site. It's in its beginning stages but is OK for viewing now and will be beefed up considerably in the future. You may ask: "Why another S-Scale website when we have some fine ones already"? Here are some of my reasons: 1- I'm a Software Consultant by trade and consequently must keep up with all the latest technologies and that, of course, includes internet development. 2- I love our scale and will do almost anything to promote it and help it to grow. 3- I needed a "web hosting" site in order to get gobs of disk space and also be able to do what is known as "server-side" programming i. e. relational databases. 4- The more of a presence we build up on the internet, the more S- Scale will benefit from the exposure as more and more modelers and potential modelers make use of it. In other words, there can't be too many S-Scale web sites. It will be a "work in progress" and I'll be constanly playing around with it. I covet any suggestions that you may have to improve it. Drop on in if you want. It's at: www.s-scaletrains.com Thanks, Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8877	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: B.T.S. - EBT 0-6-0 Shipment Arrived

Howdy Friends ------------------------------------ EBT 0-6-0 (Standard Gauge S scale) Just a quick note to let you know that the first shipment of R-T-R 0-6-0s arrived safely. We are inspecting and testing these models now, and will have them on the way to their owners by the first of the week. Beautiful work by our builder!!! http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm The next batch of 0-6-0 kits will be leaving NZ in about a week or so. Want one? ------------------------------------ Only a handful of S scale Coon Gap Sawmills are left. http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm ------------------------------------ Shotgun Houses are instock, single and three packs! http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm More good stuff coming! Thanks, and take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8878	From: Peck	Date: 7/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 684

<The MTH scale stuff looks and works very good on an S gauge layout. I currently have the crossing flashers with bell, the double track signal on one riser, and the round signal with the multi-light pattern. (don't you love my grasp of RR terminology?) They are advertised as O "scale" but they still look much better than the toy stuff from Lionel, K-line and even the MTH toy stuff. > Correct..... The MTH O=Scale items are 1/60 scale............so how close does that make them to S ! That's the only reason we happen to carry MTH items here.....and ONLY the items appropriate to S. The previously-mentioned MTH figures (people) are terrific. 12 figures for $19.95......men, women, children..... seated and standing. And the tallest male figure scales out at just over 6' tall in S. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8879	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

Steve is absolutely correct in the description of the collection. Another great museum is right here in PA. -the state museum at Strasburg. I have visited many of the museums in US and Europe and this is # 1 in my humble opinion. (not that I'm biased or anything- P.R.R.and other smaller lines are represented.) We now have an education center which is world class and an extensive group of volunteers who are "Up for the task". Maybe you folks who are coming to the NASG convention at Scranton would like to stop off there for a visit. The TCA museum is around the corner so you can visit that as well as the operating steam railroad across the street. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:54 PM Subject: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > The museum is 15 miles W. of downtown St. Louis, about 1 1/2 miles W. and S. of the intersection of I-270 and Manchester Rd. (Hwy 100.) People I know who have been to museums in the East and Midwest say it has some very unique attractions. Some of the engines and rolling stock are in need of repair, but most are fresh, well painted and well presented. On the grounds is the first RR tunnel built West of the Mississippi, around the 1830's. This line later bacame a main line for the MoPac. > > I do not live in St. Louis now, but I visited the museum after Fall S-Fest last year. I think it is magnificent. > > Steve Pendleton > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get Your FREE Online Credit Report! > http://click.egroups.com/1/5783/14/_/494531/_/962981743/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8880	From: Neil Trump	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

I would say that the Strasburg museum has some way to go before being on a par with the 'York railway Museum' in England. Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas@... <Thomas@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: 08 July 2000 04:33 Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis >Steve is absolutely correct in the description of the collection. Another >great museum is right here in PA. -the state museum at Strasburg. I have >visited many of the museums in US and Europe and this is # 1 in my humble >opinion. (not that I'm biased or anything- P.R.R.and other smaller lines are >represented.) We now have an education center which is world class and an >extensive group of volunteers who are "Up for the task". Maybe you folks who >are coming to the NASG convention at Scranton would like to stop off there >for a visit. The TCA museum is around the corner so you can visit that as >well as the operating steam railroad across the street. Tom D. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> >To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> >Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:54 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > > >> The museum is 15 miles W. of downtown St. Louis, about 1 1/2 miles W. and >S. of the intersection of I-270 and Manchester Rd. (Hwy 100.) People I know >who have been to museums in the East and Midwest say it has some very unique >attractions. Some of the engines and rolling stock are in need of repair, >but most are fresh, well painted and well presented. On the grounds is the >first RR tunnel built West of the Mississippi, around the 1830's. This line >later bacame a main line for the MoPac. >> >> I do not live in St. Louis now, but I visited the museum after Fall S-Fest >last year. I think it is magnificent. >> >> Steve Pendleton >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Get Your FREE Online Credit Report! >> http://click.egroups.com/1/5783/14/_/494531/_/962981743/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! >Conference in the whole family on the same call. >Let the fights begin! Visit Firetalk.com - Click below. >http://click.egroups.com/1/5476/14/_/494531/_/963055994/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8881	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] While we debate on what to have built in S

Guys, If all goes well, we'll have a shell at the NASG booth in San Jose. You can evaluate it there! Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Binkley" <alex.binkley@...> To: <bubba@...> Cc: "Michael A. Scivoletti" <cbat1244@...>; "S-scale@onelist.com" <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] While we debate on what to have built in S > Keith Thompson wrote: > > > I think I'll wait to get excited after I see the finished product. > > IMHO, the proportions look off in the photos at > > http://www.paheritagemodels.com/paheritagemo > > On my computer, the model looks more like a Baby trainmaster or its > lookalike. I'm not that familiar with FM units but I did see a > Trainmaster up close on CPR once and it is a looong unit. > cheers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! > Visit Firetalk.com - click below. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5479/2/_/576498/_/963015418/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8882	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] While we debate on what to have built

While we're at it, the RDC-1 is available, right? How about an evaluation on it--dimensions, power, etc. Is an RDC-3, full scale, possible? > DJE

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8883	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

The Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg museum is weak, especially when you consider it is trying to represent an area with a great railroad heritage (namely Pennsylvania). The only reason to visit this museum is to see the operating steam Strasburg Railroad, which happens to be across the street, though it is privately owned and has nothing to do with the state-owned museum. The York railway museum is very good, but my top pick would be the California railroad museum in Sacramento. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Neil Trump <neil_trump@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com>; Thomas@... <Thomas@...> Date: Saturday, July 08, 2000 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis >I would say that the Strasburg museum has some way to go before being on a >par with the 'York railway Museum' in England. > >Neil T. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thomas@... <Thomas@...> >To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale@egroups.com ><S-Scale@egroups.com> >Date: 08 July 2000 04:33 >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > > >>Steve is absolutely correct in the description of the collection. Another >>great museum is right here in PA. -the state museum at Strasburg. I have >>visited many of the museums in US and Europe and this is # 1 in my humble >>opinion. (not that I'm biased or anything- P.R.R.and other smaller lines >are >>represented.) We now have an education center which is world class and an >>extensive group of volunteers who are "Up for the task". Maybe you folks >who >>are coming to the NASG convention at Scranton would like to stop off there >>for a visit. The TCA museum is around the corner so you can visit that as >>well as the operating steam railroad across the street. Tom D. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> >>To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> >>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:54 PM >>Subject: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis >> >> >>> The museum is 15 miles W. of downtown St. Louis, about 1 1/2 miles W. and >>S. of the intersection of I-270 and Manchester Rd. (Hwy 100.) People I >know >>who have been to museums in the East and Midwest say it has some very >unique >>attractions. Some of the engines and rolling stock are in need of repair, >>but most are fresh, well painted and well presented. On the grounds is the >>first RR tunnel built West of the Mississippi, around the 1830's. This >line >>later bacame a main line for the MoPac. >>> >>> I do not live in St. Louis now, but I visited the museum after Fall >S-Fest >>last year. I think it is magnificent. >>> >>> Steve Pendleton >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Get Your FREE Online Credit Report! >>> http://click.egroups.com/1/5783/14/_/494531/_/962981743/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >>s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! >>Conference in the whole family on the same call. >>Let the fights begin! Visit Firetalk.com - Click below. >>http://click.egroups.com/1/5476/14/_/494531/_/963055994/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! >Conference in the whole family on the same call. >Let the fights begin! Visit Firetalk.com - Click below. >http://click.egroups.com/1/5476/14/_/494531/_/963056463/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8884	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 683

All crossing signal, gates,semaphores, from any manufacture are interchange by wiring them correctly, most 2 rail equipment requires a pressure switch ( American Flyer No. 697) under the track or a photo. sensing device, available at Teck America (Radio Shack). Current sensing devices, and magnetic reed switches will work, but require special wiring. At present I use a realistic flashing grade crossing from a Christmas village, it is battery powered, but will flash the lights(led's) several years on two batteries, it is turned on by a pressure switch under the track, wired thru the internal switch in the battery pack which turns the battery on. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8885	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: PENN MUSEUM

HEY FELLOWS...ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THE PENN MUSEUM IS THAT THEY GAVE ME THE CHANCE TO RIDE IN AN OLD WOOD COACH BEHIND THE JOHN BULL A FEW YEARS AGO...THEY HAD MOVED IT TO THE STRASBURG TRACK TO TEST IT BEFORE LOADING IT ONTO A FLAT CAR TO SEND TO THE WORLDS FAIR...I WAS STANDING AROUND NEAR IT WHEN THEY SAID TO A SMALL GROUP...ABOUT 10...WE COULD RIDE IN THE PASSENGER CAR OF IT...WHILE THEY RAN IT UP AND DOWN THE TRACK...BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8886	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 9, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8887	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo

As Robert mentioned, Portola, out in NORTHERN California (as opposed to the rest of the state, of which many of us don't want to be associated), does have some nice dismals. And some of them were painted by an S gauger!! (And what other museum would send a Rock Island FA back to the Pennsy museum with "Built by Gilbert" on its sides!! Heh, Heh, Heh!! Had "American Flyer Lines" on the nose too, but the Director had that painted out--"Too Much!" he said. I really thought a photo would hit the mags when it was moved. Oh well. . . .) Nobody saw me with that brush, you can't prove a thing!! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8888	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo

Just a sideline to this. The new Director at the Strasburg Muesum probably enjoyed the "enhancement". Mr. Dunn is reported to be an S gauge fan. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: <rwjackson@...>; <Thomas@...> Cc: <S-Trains@egroups.com>; <S-Scale@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > As Robert mentioned, Portola, out in NORTHERN California (as opposed to the > rest of the state, of which many of us don't want to be associated), does > have some nice dismals. And some of them were painted by an S gauger!! (And > what other museum would send a Rock Island FA back to the Pennsy museum with > "Built by Gilbert" on its sides!! Heh, Heh, Heh!! Had "American Flyer Lines" > on the nose too, but the Director had that painted out--"Too Much!" he said. > I really thought a photo would hit the mags when it was moved. Oh well. . . > .) > Nobody saw me with that brush, you can't prove a thing!! > S' > David D. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Missing old school friends? Find them here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5534/2/_/576498/_/963124574/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8889	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Lo

There IS a prototype for this, and I think photos are still around. Those of us who attended the 1966 convention of Mid-Continent Region NMRA at Camden, Arkansas, were treated to this when we arrived at the Reader railroad station for our trip: a 40' MoPac boxcar had been slightly modified by the addition of a prototype sized (or larger) neck and head of a giraffe on the roof of the car, and a big sign on the side, "Made by Lionel". Those Arkie hill-williams didn't miss a trick. DJE David Dewey wrote: > As Robert mentioned, Portola, out in NORTHERN California (as opposed to the > rest of the state, of which many of us don't want to be associated), does > have some nice dismals. And some of them were painted by an S gauger!! (And > what other museum would send a Rock Island FA back to the Pennsy museum with > "Built by Gilbert" on its sides!! Heh, Heh, Heh!! Had "American Flyer Lines" > on the nose too, but the Director had that painted out--"Too Much!" he said. > I really thought a photo would hit the mags when it was moved. Oh well. . . > .) > Nobody saw me with that brush, you can't prove a thing!! > S' > David D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Law.com is the preeminent online destination for legal professionals. > Visit Law.com for exclusive content from American Lawyer Media, online > CLE Seminars, Practice Centers and Career Listings. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5803/14/_/494531/_/963124574/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8890	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Spree Pix

Craig Thanks for putting Terry's photos on website. Terry takes for the find photos. I enjoyed them. John At 11:18 AM 07/09/2000 -0700, Craig S. O'Connell wrote: >There are four pages of pix from the 2000 "S" Spree posted on the >NASG website. Just go to the events column on the NASG page ><trainweb.com/nasg> and click on the link. All photos are by NASG >member Terry Harrison. > >Enjoy, >Craig S. O'Connell >NASG Website Director > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: >http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/2/_/576498/_/963155844/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8891	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 9, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8892	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: New flat cars with loads

Dear Friends, Our web master, Jon Marinello has posted a few new Bob Werre photos. The photos feature six new loads that can be ordered with our flatcars. Bob took these for our 2001 catalog due later this fall. These are all available now and can be ordered on line (or via phone, mail or fax) http://www.showcaseline.com/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8893	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Fwd: NASG Membership Renewal

>X-Sender: crocon@... >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:34:49 -0700 >To: foley164@... >From: "Craig S. O'Connell" <crocon@...> >Subject: NASG Membership Renewal > >Annual membership in the National Association of S Gaugers (NASG) runs >from June to June. IF you are planning on the joining the NASG or >renewing your membership you might want to do so now. By joining or >renewing by July 15 you will be assured that your name and membership >information will be included in the NASG's annual membership directory, >the August issue of the "Dispatch." > >There is a handy online membership / renewal form on the NASG website. > >http://trainweb.com/nasg/application.html > >Simply fill out the form and mail it in along with your check. > >Thanks, >Craig S. O'Connell >NASG Website Director

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8894	From: john foley	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Fwd: "S" Spree Pix

>X-Sender: crocon@... >Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:29 -0700 >To: foley164@... >From: "Craig S. O'Connell" <crocon@...> >Subject: "S" Spree Pix > >There are four pages of pix from the 2000 "S" Spree posted on the NASG >website. Just go to the events column on the NASG page <trainweb.com/nasg> >and click on the link. All photos are by NASG member Terry Harrison. > >Enjoy, >Craig S. O'Connell >NASG Website Director

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8895	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Spree Pix

For those pics, click on: http://www.trainweb.com/nasg/spreepix1.html Don Thompson "Craig S. O'Connell" wrote: > There are four pages of pix from the 2000 "S" Spree posted on the > NASG website. Just go to the events column on the NASG page > <trainweb.com/nasg> and click on the link. All photos are by NASG > member Terry Harrison. > > Enjoy, > Craig S. O'Connell > NASG Website Director > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: > http://click.egroups.com/1/5530/2/_/576498/_/963155844/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8896	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Combo post; "Motivation" & "Trains in Movies"

I finally saw "Sweet & Lowdown", the Woody Allen film I worked on, about ficticious Jazz guitarist Emmet Ray. Emmet (Sean Penn) likes to go to the dumps and shoot rats with his .45. He also loves to watch trains. Uma Thurman plays Blanche, a dilletante writer who loves to play at amateur psychology. Here they are, sitting on the rails (in the NY&AR yards in Queens) as a freight goes by behind them. Emmet: Oh, Look at that. It's a beauty! Blanche: What is this fascination with trains? E: Whaddya mean? B: Do you have the urge to go off; to ride to unknown destinations? E: For what point? B: Are you trying to re-capture some intangible feeling from childhood when you dreamt of glamorous cities just out of reach? E: I'm not trying to capture anything from childhood. It stank! B: Then I can only think it must be the power of the locomotive: the sheer, potent, sexual energy that arouses your masculinity. The wheels, the hot furnace, the pistons pumping . . . E: Ya sound like ya want to go to bed with the train. Yeah, that's it! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8897	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: B.T.S. Sawmill Update

Howdy Friends I mistakenly told you several weeks ago that the Silver Edition S Scale Sawmill kits were sold out; Diane reminded me that one fellow has canceled his order, so we do have one left. Call quickly if you want it! The standard Coon Gap Sawmills are just about gone... nine left as of this morning. More info is on our web site at http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm Shotgun Houses make great company houses for the mill workers! Ready to ship. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7300.htm Thanks, and take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8898	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: where's Gale Hall

Hi "S"ers Can anyone put me in touch with Gale Hall. He was nice enough to send me a magazine with some information on Altoona Penn. Rails and I just want to thank him. Bill Sandrus RMHR Boise,ID [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8899	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: New Haven Train Show - Aug 20th

I am planning on attending the '5th Annual All Gauge Train Show' in New Haven on Sunday Aug 20th. I would like to reduce my expense and that is why I am writing to my friends on the S-Trains list. I figure it will cost about $250 to fly up, $90 for a room , and about $80 for a rental car. The flight is a fixed cost, but the hotel and rental car could go away. Anybody in the Hartford or New Haven area got a sofa or guest room? Anybody going to the show got some room in their car? I can help with your unloading, setup, and teardown. (no back problems here). Plus I always have more fun when I'm with friends. I plan to fly to Hartford on Saturday and back to Florida on Sunday afternoon (5:45pm) from Hartford. Call me paul Yorke (561) 597-3788 I have some Pratt & Whitney friends in the Hardford area, so I suspect that I can find a place to sleep, but it might be more convienient if I stay with the folks I ride with. But I am open to the adventure. PS: I just got off the phone with my old boss, he lives up there. he is not sure what he is going to be doing next month so he will need to get back to me later. In the meanwhile I am open to consider any offers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8900	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven Train Show - Aug 20th

Dear Paul, We will be having a display layout and tables at John and Robin's show New Haven "S:" and a few other scales Train Show. I will be arriving on Saturday morning and may end up at the Branford Trolley museum. We plan on setting up the layout later in the afternoon or early evening. Anything that we can do to help, just let me know. Don Thompson. Paul Yorke wrote: > I am planning on attending the '5th Annual All Gauge Train Show' in New > Haven on Sunday Aug 20th. I would like to reduce my expense and that is > why I am writing to my friends on the S-Trains list. I figure it will > cost about $250 to fly up, $90 for a room , and about $80 for a rental > car. The flight is a fixed cost, but the hotel and rental car could go > away. Anybody in the Hartford or New Haven area got a sofa or guest > room? Anybody going to the show got some room in their car? I can > help with your unloading, setup, and teardown. (no back problems > here). Plus I always have more fun when I'm with friends. > > I plan to fly to Hartford on Saturday and back to Florida on Sunday > afternoon (5:45pm) from Hartford. > > Call me paul Yorke (561) 597-3788 > > I have some Pratt & Whitney friends in the Hardford area, so I suspect > that I can find a place to sleep, but it might be more convienient if I > stay with the folks I ride with. But I am open to the adventure. > > PS: I just got off the phone with my old boss, he lives up there. he is > not sure what he is going to be doing next month so he will need to get > back to me later. In the meanwhile I am open to consider any offers. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! > Visit Firetalk.com - click below. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5479/14/_/494531/_/963271667/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8901	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: The Answer

Hi guys: Remember last weeks Car Talk Puzzler? Well, here's the answer. Locomotive Puzzler RAY: Hi, we're back. You're listening to Car Talk with us, Click and Clack, the Tappett Brothers, and we're here to talk about cars, car repair, and, duh, the answer to last week's Puzzler. And this one came from someone named Tim Sullivan, and I don't know if the facts are right, but the flavor was just so good, I had to use it. TOM: I'm beginning to remember it. It was good. RAY: Anyway, Tim writes, years ago, when the railroads used steam locomotives, and that isn't even relevant. TOM: No. RAY: The Baltimore & Ohio Railroad had a busy freight line running south from Rochester, New York, and they used a locomotive of the 2-8-2 type, also irrelevant, meaning there are two wheels in the front which don't do anything, eight wheels behind those, which are the drivers. Those are the ones that are connected to the steam engine. And then, two trailing wheels. And a 2-8-2 could handle a train of 80 cars. TOM: Mmm-hmm. RAY: But on this particular run, it couldn't handle a train of 60 cars. It had to have 80. TOM: That doesn't make sense. RAY: Doesn't make sense. And the hint is, there's something unusual between Rochester and wherever the train is headed. And what's unusual -- TOM: Bandits. No. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. RAY: Bandits would be good. TOM: Bandits would be good, but that's not the answer. RAY: No, this route consists of a bunch of hills which are pretty closely spaced. Imagine the following scenario. TOM: OK. RAY: The train with 60 cars is trying to climb one of these hills. As it nears the top, it is pulling all 60 cars up the hill, OK? TOM: Yeah. RAY: And, the engineer says, the drivers are beginning to slip. I ain't gonna make it. If only I had some help. And the help would come from an additional 20 cars attached to the back of the train -- TOM: Still on the downward slope! RAY: -- on the down slope of the previous hill, and helping, by the force of gravity, to push the train up over the next hill. TOM: Sonja Henie's -- RAY: Whaddya think of that? TOM: Love it! This is great! RAY: Do we have a winner? TOM: Man! All right. We do have a winner. The winner is Ray Johnson from Titusville, Florida. RAY: Ray Johnson. TOM: From Titusville, Florida has won the Puzzler prize. And he may say, what did I win? What did I win? Well, don't get your shorts in a bunch, Ray, because all you won is a $25 gift certificate to the Car Talk Shameless Commerce Division on our website. RAY: Hey, you can get our new T-shirt, the Car Talk T-shirt emblazoned with our motto, Non Impedite Raditioni Cogitationis. TOM: I had one on yesterday. RAY: Yes. TOM: I loved it. RAY: Yes. TOM: Yeah. RAY: Which means, of course, "Unencumbered by the Thought Process". That's it! I got it wrong. I thought it was about braking for downhills. Two idiots to go, CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8902	From: jonmarinello@hotmail.com	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: New Showcase Line eGroups Message Board

The Showcase Line has a new eGroups message board. You can gain access to this message board through our web site at http://www.showcaseline.com or directly at http://www.egroups.com/group/showcaseline You are invited to post and retrieve messages as you please on S- Helper Service specific topics and related topics. Some of you may have used the previous message board available at the Showcase Line. That message board has been phased out in favor of the eGroups message board. We hope that using the eGroups message board will be much more convenient for our customers and the S community at large. It certainly has lots more features! Thanks, Jon Marinello Showcase Line Web Master

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8903	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Answer

Hmmph!!!! That's the same answer I sent in! I WUZ WRONGED!!!! And I even gave them a car question to ask too. The give-away was the comment about the track on that run. Oh well, no fame again! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8904	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Telephone poles

My lay-out has a plywood base with homosote glued on top for deadening. I want to install telephone poles into this & probably glue them down. Anyone have a suggestion on a glue or other means to secure them. I will then use elastic thread to recreate the look of the wires. Mike Leahy P.S. By the way, these poles are from Doug Peck, without bases.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8905	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: The Answer

If I had a dime for every right answer I sent in, especially on hard puzzlers, why, I'd have about eighty cents. I never get picked, no matter how abusive I get. CZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> To: "TCA" <toytrains@egroups.com>; "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Cc: "slist" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] The Answer > Hmmph!!!! > That's the same answer I sent in! I WUZ WRONGED!!!! And I even gave them a > car question to ask too. > The give-away was the comment about the track on that run. > Oh well, no fame again! > S' > David D. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8906	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Flyer

American Flyer is "losing" in Canada. Among those who belong to S Canada and subscribe to Canadian S Scale Quarterly, the percentage of strictly-Flyer people has been declining for several years. Analysis of a current sample indicates that now only 37.5 per cent of Canadian S-scalers run American Flyer equipment exclusively, while 43.75 per cent run no Flyer at all. Does anyone have any idea how this compares with the situation in the United States? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8907	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: August 20 Train Show

Paul, We would be happy to lend you a bed, however, the travel situation may be a little tough since both John and I will be traveling earlier than most and all over the city both days between the factory and show site. I'm sure there will be plenty of people who would be happy to give you rides where ever you need to go if this would help you. I'm so glad that you will be attending. See you there. Robin Vanacore

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8908	From: aag_rlg@yahoo.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Flyer

In response to Joe Pereira's post on Flyer "losing" in Canada, I don't think of this as losing. Although I run 80% Flyer equipment, I think it is good that many of the Flyer people are turning to S scale equipment as more and more becomes available. For many, Flyer gets them restarted in the hobby and then they move on to scale equipment to augment or replace their Flyer. I would be more concerned if S scale was "losing" to Flyer as this would make it hard for manufacturers to justify new products. This seems like a natural and healthy transition to me, but it would still be interesting to see the statistics for the US. Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8909	From: john foley	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: MR 1999 Readers Choice Awards

Hi Folks in the August issue of MR is the results of the 1999 Readers Choice awards. Our S Scale manufacturers did very well. Congratulations to the Winners. Rolling Stock 1st. SHS PS-2 Three bay hopper 2nd Des Plaines 10,00 Gal. tank car 3rd. B.T.S's Sn3 35-ton hopper Structures 1st B.T.S's Orbisonia Station 2nd Scenery Unlimited's Brick Factory 3rd Cystal River Products Wheelers Mercantile S Locomotives 1st PHM's Budd RDC 2nd Southwinds Model's SP 4-4-2 2rd Railmaster's White Pass & yukon Shovelnose Rolling stock SHS Des Plaines/S Scale America B.T.S. PS-2 Covered hopper 10,000 gallon tank car East Broad Top Sn3 Hopper Locomotives PHM South Wind Models Railmaster RDC U.P./S.P. 4-4-2 Great work guy's John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8910	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: to get S-Scale on e-bay

Hi all: A while ago someone posted this ebay address to get s-scale objects. Of course, one gets jewelers' scales, but currently there are something like 38 objects for sale or bid under this search engine. I hope it works for you as well as it works for me. http://search.ebay.com/cgi-bin/texis/ebay/results.html?dest=&cobrandpartner=x&tc=&ht=&st=&textonly=n&query="S+SCALE+&allebay=1&ebayregioncode=39&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&SortOrder=%5Ba%5D Good hunting, Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8911	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Black track

I bought some Flyer track on e-bay a few weeks ago it arrived yesterday some of it is the black track I have heard people talking about. Can anyone explane what is up with it. Thanks Joe Anderson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8912	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black track

When I bought my flyer trains at Christmas time in 1946 they came with black track. That was common for the first offerings after WWII. Don't really know when they switched to shiny rails but they obviously did. I sent away for switches within about a year and they also came with black rails. joeawood@... wrote: > > I bought some Flyer track on e-bay a few weeks ago it arrived yesterday some > of it is the black track I have heard people talking about. Can anyone > explane what is up with it. Thanks Joe Anderson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > BTW: Did you buy that new car yet? > If not, check this site out. > They're called CarsDirect.com and it's a pretty sweet way to buy a car. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6847/14/_/494531/_/963368007/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8913	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Black track

Yeah, It's black! <G> Instead of the rails being plated with zinc or cadmium, they are "blued," this is a slightly cheaper process, and saved the zinc and cadmium for military uses, as it was still restricted at the time. Black track appears to be made in the '46-47 period. The zinc and Cadmium was a better conductor, and more rust resistant finish, which is why the change (back) to it. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8914	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Tunnel Portal

Anyone know where i can find tunnel portals made from foam!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8915	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Pix of AC Gilbert toys

While perusing an antique radio (one of my other hobbies) Web site (Museum of Radio and Technology), I came across this view of old Gilbert toys. The URL is http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~postr/MRT/AC_Gilb.html. The museum's home page is http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~postr/MRT/ -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8916	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: eeeeeeeeeeeBAY

>>>> Today there is stuff scattered all over the board at e-bay. Somebody has one of PRS cars under Scales General and my long search string didn't pick it up because I dont have PRS included. By sheer chance I caught the Nimco tender trucks. <<<< I very rarely look at eBay because of the above problem. Perhaps the sellers on this list could suggest some type of "standard" phrasing to include in eBay postings to make them easier to find? You have the motivation to make it easier for buyers to find you. Obviously not all sellers are on this list, but they may emulate you, if a bunch of you start doing the same thing. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8917	From: Bill & Diane Wade - B.T.S.	Date: 7/12/2000
Subject: Prototype Steam Photos Posted

Howdy Friends Figured since the patterns are nearly done for the next S scale steam locomotive, the Baldwin 2-8-0 as used by the Maryland And Pennsylvania (#41-43), you should see some additional photos of the real beasts in service. Follow the links on the steam page.... http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8918	From: Dale F. Smith	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

I am a little late in responding, but I just got back from a trip to the East coast during which I visited both the B&O Railroad Museum and the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum. As a native Californian and a member of the California Railroad Museum, I agree that it is a superb museum and its interpretive program is spectacular. What I really enjoyed at both the museums I recently visited though, was seeing equipment unknown in the west. For the first time, I actually got to look into the cab of a GG1, I got to see real live camelbacks and camels, as well as K4 Pacifics and numerous other uniquely eastern locomotives. I also got to see actual Belpaire and Wooten fireboxes. (a lot of AF prototypes) It is facinating to see the variety of railroad equipment that was really unique to the different regions. I am sure an easterner would be equally thrilled to see the Cab Forward on display in Sacramento. The only complaint I have with the B&O Museum is that the equipment is too crowded in the roundhouse. It is a remarkable structure, but in some cases, I couldn't even step back far enough to take a picture with a wide angle lens. The best part of this museum is the pre-1850 railroad history it chronicles. By the way, I missed the Toy Train Museum in Strasburg because it is closed for remodeling. Why anyone would choose to remodel during the summer tourist season is beyond me. The visitor center said it was supposed to be ready by mid July, but that it was pushed back to late July and judging from the previous pusbacks, they didn't think they would make that date either. Dale Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brindell <dbrindell@...> To: <s-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 10:57 AM Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > The Pennsylvania Railroad Museum in Strasburg museum is weak, especially > when you consider it is trying to represent an area with a great railroad > heritage (namely Pennsylvania). The only reason to visit this museum is to > see the operating steam Strasburg Railroad, which happens to be across the > street, though it is privately owned and has nothing to do with the > state-owned museum. > > The York railway museum is very good, but my top pick would be the > California railroad museum in Sacramento. > > Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Trump <neil_trump@...> > To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale@egroups.com > <S-Scale@egroups.com>; Thomas@... > <Thomas@...> > Date: Saturday, July 08, 2000 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > > > >I would say that the Strasburg museum has some way to go before being on a > >par with the 'York railway Museum' in England. > > > >Neil T. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Thomas@... <Thomas@...> > >To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale@egroups.com > ><S-Scale@egroups.com> > >Date: 08 July 2000 04:33 > >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > > > > > >>Steve is absolutely correct in the description of the collection. Another > >>great museum is right here in PA. -the state museum at Strasburg. I have > >>visited many of the museums in US and Europe and this is # 1 in my humble > >>opinion. (not that I'm biased or anything- P.R.R.and other smaller lines > >are > >>represented.) We now have an education center which is world class and an > >>extensive group of volunteers who are "Up for the task". Maybe you folks > >who > >>are coming to the NASG convention at Scranton would like to stop off there > >>for a visit. The TCA museum is around the corner so you can visit that as > >>well as the operating steam railroad across the street. Tom D. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Steve & Cathy Pendleton" <bestofbreed@...> > >>To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> > >>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 1:54 PM > >>Subject: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis > >> > >> > >>> The museum is 15 miles W. of downtown St. Louis, about 1 1/2 miles W. > and > >>S. of the intersection of I-270 and Manchester Rd. (Hwy 100.) People I > >know > >>who have been to museums in the East and Midwest say it has some very > >unique > >>attractions. Some of the engines and rolling stock are in need of repair, > >>but most are fresh, well painted and well presented. On the grounds is > the > >>first RR tunnel built West of the Mississippi, around the 1830's. This > >line > >>later bacame a main line for the MoPac. > >>> > >>> I do not live in St. Louis now, but I visited the museum after Fall > >S-Fest > >>last year. 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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8919	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

In a message dated 7/13/00 4:25:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dfsmith@... writes: << Why anyone would choose to remodel during the summer tourist season is beyond me. >> Well, because in eastern PA the weather for construction is much more favorable in the spring and summer than it is in winter -- and the museum can be reopened by October York, of course!. :-)) RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8920	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: Microscale Decals

In case you simply need to buy a Microscale S Gauge decal, I found a bunch so they are now on sale and listed at www.s-designs.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8921	From: Don DeWitt	Date: 7/13/2000
Subject: S on Ebay

The following suggestion is not an evil attempt to get more people bidding on my stuff on Ebay. I have been chatting with a few guys about the problem of finding S- scale stuff on Ebay and the reasons why there is no S folder. Obviously a means of searching for S is critical. If we can tell Ebay to search for "S-scale" or "S-gauge" we might be more successful in convincing them about an S homebase. I have found S stuff in the SCALES: O folder, the AF folder, the SCALES: KITS folder, and most often in the SCALES: GENERAL folder so that is where I have been selling my goodies. Also some standard abbreviations for manufacturers would be helpful too such as PRS, AM, SHS, etc. If John Foley is reading, I would suggest that some Ebay instructions be placed in the NASG Dispatch EVERY issue and of course on the NASG website. Of course, in S Gaugian as well. Organization is critical. I am sure that I am not the only one who has stuff in the basement or in the closet that will never be assembled or used, so lets keep the stuff in circulation to each other's basements and closets. It also allows newbies to S to pick up some goodies at reduced prices and get started building their empires. Thanks Don DeWitt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8922	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Lost contact

Did I miss something or what? The last two days I have not received the S-Trains messages. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8923	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Lost contact]

According to http://www.egroups.com/messages/S-Trains there has beed 9 messages in the last 2 days. LEAHY RUTH A <ruth.leahy@...> wrote: Did I miss something or what? The last two days I have not received the S-Trains messages. Mike Leahy Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8924	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Cheap Toys & New Haven Show

I got a new camera and shot some pictures of some recently acquired items. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/toyliquid/toy.html I just bought a Sony FD 85 http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/digitalstillcameras/mavicacameras/mvc-fd85.shtml New Haven: Thanks to those who offered assistance with my trip to the New Haven Show. David Garber & Bill Clark have graciously offered to help me make my way while in the area. I plan on taking many pictures with my new camera and sharing them all with you folks. Thanks again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8925	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: Trip to ALTOONA

In October I will be traveling to York, I have heard of some railroad spots around Altoona PA.. Other than horseshoe curve, which I plan to visit, is their someone any in that area that could make other suggestions of places in the area I should see? Thanks Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8926	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: museums

I can't say I've been to all that many, but I find it hard to call one like the Pa RR or B&O weak. Come on, the PA alone has many of the real McCoy* that Flyer modeled theirs after. When are we going to get over this "I've seen/bought/run/owned better than you have" nonsense, and just enjoy how many fundamentally good venues there are for us to enjoy trains and share that with each other. * real McCoy - - originated from the continuous feed oiler used on engines to lessen the need to stop and lube bearings. Inventor's name was _____ McCoy, a black, self-taught designer. OK, now somebody jump all over me because I can't remember his first name and you did. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8927	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/14/2000
Subject: new engines

I have a question for those of you who operate the new locos from LTI, AM, and SHS on AC : Do these engines creep out of the stop zones of Flyer accessories such as Sam the Semaphore Man, the talking stations, and the cow on the track, which contain resistors? Do they creep out of the stop zone of the #761 semaphore if you use a #709 lock out eliminator or a 10 ohm 10 watt resistor? Specifically, if you had one Gilbert loco and one new loco with their reverse units NOT locked out, following each other around a loop with a #761 semaphore and track trips, with lockout eliminator or resistor to keep the reverse units from cycling, would the new loco creep out of the semaphore's stop zone? I need an answer to this for something I'm writing for S Gaugian. I don't run any of the new locos myself, I've only tested them a little. I suspect this would be a problem but don't know for sure. Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8928	From: Peck	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Altoona area

<, I have heard of some railroad spots around Altoona PA.. Other than horseshoe curve, which I plan to visit, is their someone any in that area that could make other suggestions of places in the area I should see? > Downtown Altoona houses the home of the Railroaders Memorial Museum....a tribute to the RR workers. It is exceptionally well-done! Plan to spend 2-3 hours there! And don't miss their film, "Altoona at Work". It was so goos, I bought a copy of it to bring home and watch again! Also in the area is the Portage Railroad Historical Site, which is worth seeing. This is where they hauled RR cars on barges over the ridges to continue the journey east or west. A good take as well. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8929	From: Rick Evans	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: loco bulbs

Hi all, A friend gave me a small box of bulbs that are the same size as the ones used in AF locos, but they don't say what voltage they are. Stuck one in my 356 and boy, did it light up the night!! My manual says 14 volt bulbs are to be used for the loco headlight. These MUST be a higher voltage then that. What might I be doing wrong by using these brighter bulbs?? One thought comes to mind would be a meltdown with the plastic locos on extended runs. Whatta ya think?? Thanks a lot!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8930	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Summer Blockbuster Movie

Another new page Hess truck & AF action flat. Lights! Camera! Action! http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/hess/hess_715.html This one includes a movie.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8931	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] loco bulbs

Rick, If the bulbs were really brighter than the original, you have bulbs rated for a LOWER voltage, maybe 9-12 volts. They will burn out sooner and also produce more heat. Watch out for the plastic above the bulb softening or melting. I have switched to using a higher rated bulb (18v as opposed to 14v) in order to cut down on chances of heat damage. Sure the light is dimmer, but I don't really care to use them as headlights anyway, just to show the light on. I have considered switching some locos to the new led lights (have more light output with lower heat) advertised now, but haven't gotten around to trying them yet. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Rick Evans wrote: > Hi all, > A friend gave me a small box of bulbs that are the same size as the ones used > in AF locos, but they don't say what voltage they are. Stuck one in my 356 and boy, > did it light up the night!! > > My manual says 14 volt bulbs are to be used for the loco headlight. These MUST be a higher voltage > then that. What might I be doing wrong by using these brighter bulbs?? One thought comes to mind > would be a meltdown with the plastic locos on extended runs. Whatta ya think?? > > Thanks a lot!! > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > We do at www.supersig.com. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6819/14/_/494531/_/963676461/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8932	From: plotnick	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Re: SHS and Sam

. > >I have a question for those of you who operate the new locos from LTI, AM, >and SHS on AC : Do these engines creep out of the stop zones of Flyer >accessories such as Sam the Semaphore Man.. That has been my experience. I have an older Sam on the layout with a lockout eliminator. -Roy Plotnick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8933	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Toy Train Meet

"Alto Model Train Museum Association "1st Annual toy train meet ,All Scales, Oct 7th&8th Sat 10/7 9:30 am till 9:30 pm ,Sun 10/8 noon till 5:00 At The STATION MALL, ALTOONA PA. Free Admission/ Donations excepted. Tables @ $25.00 1st table $20.00 each additional table. This meet is being Held during Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum "RAILFEST" & N.M.R.A.'S NER,MCR,MER 2000 Convention. Also this weekend in Cresson and Galitzen Pa. Railroad Heritage Days ,Norfolk& Southern loco shop tours, Excursion rides AND MUCH MORE. for more info contact Greg Miller R.D.#5 Box 1031 Altoona Pa.16601 Phone 814-942-1848 Email grnm@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8934	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8935	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

paul-i tried to join the yahoo s club, and yahoo sez it doesn't exist. problem? hope to yak tonite-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8936	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8937	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

Hi Paul: I tried logging onto the chat room but instead got an endless roundaround from Yahoo. I downloaded the software for this some time ago but it wanted to give me a new one and then send there was no one on c-strains. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8938	From: Ron Morris	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: National Museum of Transport in St. Louis

The National Toy Train Museum is closed NOT because they wanted to be during the summer tourist season. The local pols dragged their feet in granting the necessary variances and permits. It had been originally planned that construction would have started last December. Unfortunately it was delayed until March. Fingers crossed, it is anticipated that they'll be open in early August. Ron Morris --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Dale F. Smith" <dfsmith@m...> wrote: <BIG SNIP> > > By the way, I missed the Toy Train Museum in Strasburg because it is closed for remodeling. Why anyone would choose to remodel during the summer tourist season is beyond me. The visitor center said it was supposed to be ready by mid July, but that it was pushed back to late July and judging from the previous pusbacks, they didn't think they would make that date either. > > Dale Smith > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8939	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trip to ALTOONA

The Pennsy museum in Altoona is a must. Gerald R Dobbs wrote: > > In October I will be traveling to York, I have heard of some railroad > spots around Altoona PA.. > Other than horseshoe curve, which I plan to visit, is their someone any > in that area that could make other > suggestions of places in the area I should see? > > Thanks > > Jerry 77-11644 > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Search from thousands of MLS listings and get 1% cash back at closing! > http://click.egroups.com/1/7036/14/_/494531/_/963621806/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8940	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

544 MILW ps 50' boxcar (10-84) 5344 cuft. Painted boxcar red. Athearn kit. White graphics. Set will letter 1 car. 546 ART wood reefer. (10-50) Sides painted yellow, ends & roof painted boxcar red, black underframe. Accurail, Tichy, Sunshine or Pacific Freight Enterprises kit. Has the ART 3 color red, white & blue logo, has the 2 color red & white MP logo & the 3 color red, white & blue Wabash Follow the Flag logo. Black, white, red & blue graphics. Set will letter 1 car. 545 CNW ballast car (2-84) Painted gray with red ends. Bowser kit. Has the small CNW 3 color system herald. Black, red & white graphics. Set will letter 2 cars. 547 I&M Rail Link 3 bay covered hopper. (3-73, repainted 6-00) Painted dark blue. Athearn kit. Red & white graphics. Set will letter 1 car. Graffiti-2 Modern day graffiti, real graffiti taken off covered hoppers. Printed in full color. 4 to a set. N & HO scale $6.00, S & O scale $12.00. Graffiti-3 Modern day graffiti, real graffiti taken off boxcars. Printed in full color. 4 to a set. N & HO scale $4.00, S & O scale $8.00. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8941	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 691

In a message dated 07/16/2000 3:58:23 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > My manual says 14 volt bulbs are to be used for the loco headlight. These > MUST be a higher voltage Just the opposite Rick. They are probably 12v bulbs. Steve Blackburn...Boise, Idaho TCA, NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8942	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration

I have a 283 C&NW engine and tender combination that I would like to get back on track (pun intended!). It's been in storage for a number of years and I'd like to take it to a local advertised AF repair shop to be worked on. What things will I need to have done? What is the going rate for this type of repair/overhaul? Thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8943	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/16/2000
Subject: Re: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration

I am certainly NOT the expert here, and I'm sure you will receive much better detailed tips then I can offer, but here's my 1-1/2 cents worth. First off, is the loco in running condition now? If not, the tender would be the first place I would check. There are some really easy fixes that you can do YOURSELF! Believe me, there was a time (and not that long ago!) that you couldn't PAY me to open up my old 282!! I would pay someone else. But I have brought home several locos that didn't move, and even I got them going again! Back to the tender,...a little TV tuner cleaner has always worked for me. A few squirts onto the drum ususally takes care of it. If it still won't move, check all the wires. Make sure all power pick up wheels on the tender are clean. A little oil and grease can't hurt for the loco either. My main point here is that help from other members on the list, such as Tom J. and a few others (the real experts here!) can help you get your 283 running without taking it to the shop. This was a really condensed answer, and like I said, you will probably recieve much better detailed answers. All Parts such as brushes for the loco, etc. etc. etc. can be bought by you. So roll up your sleeves and give it a shot!! And there are service manuals out there to help you. "Keep your rails clean" Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8944	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration

Well, Since I am sometimes the "local Train Dr." I can tell you a bit of what happens at my shop (Really my home, and often the kitchen table). Complete cleaning, including disassembly of almost everything, is about $30. Repairs are extra, such as new reverse unit fingers (parts plus $5 labor when combined with a cleaning, more labor when not, as it takes time to get in and out of there)--this is the most common repair, followed by Smoke Unit heating element replacement; about the same price as reverse units, although it takes a LOT more patience. Wheel regluing, armature rewinding etc. varies, but these aren't always a problem. Dismal units are a different matter! Lots of problems can happen with these, and I'm still working on an accurate rebushing fixture (yes, there are some out there, but I'm real 'anal retentive' about what's 'right'). Can you do all these things yourself?? Probably!! Especially the less involved ones (rewinding is a bit involved). Should you?? Hmm, depends on your nature and mechanical skills. I think that repair is one of the mose challenging and fun parts of the hobby! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8945	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: creeping engines

I have the AM GG1 and it creeps when either transformer (15B or 16B) is turned to its lowest power position (handle down), or in blocks fed a trickle voltage through a AF#709 or RShack 10 ohm resistor. Usually I can time the creep to still allow another train to come from the inner loop to the outer loop, for example, without any collision. You might recall a few weeks ago, my GG1 went into a funk such that no matter what I tried it wouldn't do anything but light up its headlight. Then after allowing it to sit for an hour or so, it worked fine. That funk, I believe, was the result of having used it a couple/few times in a row through such blocks. I haven't tried it since to verify, because I still prefer to think it was caused by an overload of bad vibes while Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap (Scott Brown) was visiting. ;> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8946	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: creeping engines

Got to say i sort of agree with Scott Brown, based on what I've seen and heard. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8947	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: AF 283 C&NW Engine/Tender Restoration

seahawkdan@... asks: >I have a 283 C&NW engine and tender combination that I would like to get back >on track (pun intended!). It's been in storage for a number of years and I'd >like to take it to a local advertised AF repair shop to be worked on. What >things will I need to have done? What is the going rate for this type of >repair/overhaul? Thanks. Well, what's wrong with it? If it just sits there when you apply power, it probably just needs to be cleaned. Isopropyl alcohol and Q-Tips on the wheels, contacts, drum and fingers, anything electrical. Take off the grease cup under the engine and pack the gear with Lubriplate white grease. Oil all axle contact points. Oil the motor shaft and saturate the motor wick. With the body off the tender, apply power and watch the pawl action on the reverse drum. Don't lubricate it!!!!!! Clean it with Iso Alcohol and work it by hand. I just did one of these. It went from dead to a great runner in under twenty minutes. No money changed hands. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8948	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: AF Steamer restoration/ Transformer Travesty

HI There, I am about to get back 2 engines I considered bad news. The cost I'm told---would not want to admit here. But, one thing about Flyer steamer engines I would like to mention: Several drivers on my 282 had to be epoxied-assuming that the rims had come loose from their wheels; plus these wheels needed to be true. This is a common headache?? I would like to find a NYC tender for the other, a Hudson w/o a tender. Plus another NYC tender I own has elongated holes in the truck frames allowing the truck frames to short on switches(the frames lost their track clearance). I am happy to have restored the engines. The loner Hudson had been in my junk pile for 25 years. Need Opinion: Have tied together 3 AF transformers. The trains run fine; polarity and phasing appear correct and a jumper connects base on all three. The smaller of the three still overheats quickly if track power is engaged continuously from it. So, I now believe that all phased transformers must be of the same wattage?? Is that the answer, or do I have something here I can't see?? I am out of ideas-help! I'm amazed I haven't blown a trans, but these AF Tranformers were made to outlast kids!? J Reddington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8949	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/17/2000
Subject: steamer restoration/transformer travesty

1. Steam loco drivers should not be epoxied. They should be fixed with Slo Zap, which gives you time to set the tires straight before the glue sets. Spin them -- any flaws will show. 2. enlarged tender truck wheel holes -- insert Ace #4050 bushings. 3. Transformers -- either are in phase or out of phase. Like, you can't be a little bit pregnant. Are the variable voltage posts connected too, perhaps thru the rails ? They shouldn't be. Does the little transf overheat when used by itself? Overloaded transformer will over heat. Little AF transformers shouldn't power big Flyer locos. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8950	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: steamers

When I get one, nearly no matter the condition, I try not to run it much until I've completed the following steps: 1) disassembly - engine and tender, sort left from right side parts in case any bias has developed over the years. 2) cleaning - - luke warm mild solution of Ivory liquid soap (no detergents) and water on shells, 91% pure isopropyl alcohol on parts, Simichrome on chrome. Be certain to clean gunk from between armature segments and don't let alcohol or other solvents run into those cracks. Clean with moistened rags, Q-tips, etc., not dripping wet. 3) replace worn/missing parts - brushes, springs, reverse unit fingers (solder fill for mass and heat sink), motor bushings, wires, rods/linkages, handrails, headlight bulb. 4) repair any damaged/loose parts - - motor mounts, driver hubs and/or rims, smoke unit coil/wick, piston, etc. 5) lube, reassemble, and bench test without shells - - build up to full speed in both directions slowly. Note: If it has the "syndrome" (i.e. faster in reverse than forward) pretty noticeably, I've resorted to using new old-stock armature at that point (whole 'nuther string of messages, I still have to test the theory that rewinding is the fix). Lubes I like are Labelle Light oil for linkages, Labelle Medium for bearings etc, Labelle teflon laced grease for gears (but I don't "pack" them, just be certain you can see the grease on all the gears and check now and then. It stays on put pretty well.) 6) track test without shells - - may have to make a connector tab to tie engine and tender together, look for balance, power, reverse, etc. 7) add shells, bench test - - look for rods binding, etc. 8) track test - 9) then run that fast, strong, smooth and smoky thing like crazy. Oh, that reminds, me maybe one of these days (actually late nights) I'll get to that 21130 I bought at York in April! PS After a long running like at a club show, I run through the above list as a maintenance procedure, but it goes much faster than the first time through because there usually aren't many things that need replacement or repair, just cleaning and lubrication. But it does keep'm steam'n. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8951	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: AM steamer

Unfornately I had to work so I missed it, but the report is Bill Novak ran a B&O AM Pacific on our club layout Sunday and it 1) smoked like crazy - - good, 2) ran well - - I'm curious about its top speed - -~100 scale or 140 like well-tuned AF, 3) pulled 18-19 freight cars with ease - -very good, NOTE he added gription to the front drivers. Hopefully Bill will run this engine at future shows too. It'd be fun to see how that compares to some bellweather ACG iron (313, 326). I'm also still curious about the new streamlined K-4, and rumor is SHS is working on a steamer for release in 2001. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8952	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer Travesty

J Reddington says: >Have tied together 3 AF transformers. The trains run fine; >polarity and phasing appear correct and a jumper connects base on all three. >The smaller of the three still overheats quickly if track power is engaged >continuously from it. So, I now believe that all phased transformers must be >of the same wattage?? No, in a word. Tying base posts together merely insures that all transformers are following the sine wave of AC power in synchronicity with each other, and that trains leaving one transformer's block can enter the next block without a dropout that will cycle the reverse unit. Blocks must be isolated from one another at the hot, variable power rail joint. However, (my favorite word), if you have three blocks and are sending round your Western Pacific passenger set with all lit up cars and Railsounds and the extra diesel you added to double head it, the little transformer is going to get a bit overloaded. The big transformers are NOT adding to the performance of the little one, they all each mind their own blocks. When the big train is in the little guy's block, the little guy's on his own, base post connection or not. In that regard, the handling of trains, the transformers do not have to be matched necessarily, but they each need to be up to the task. If, on the other hand, you have tied all three transformers together in parallel, that is, added their outputs by tying the variable posts, as well as the base posts, together for additional current (thus wattage), then you are correct about the transformers needing to be matched. You are also playing a dangerous game with powerful forces you do not well understand and I would advise you to dismantle such an arrangement before you get hurt or at least cause irretrievable damage to the units. The small transformer in this set-up would be awash in a sea of eddy currents induced by the bigger units and would quickly overheat and break down. Another consideration is that the little guy has had it. Does it get real hot running an Atlantic and 5 freight cars around a little oval? Perhaps it is time to move this unit into scenery lighting mode or switch and signal operations. It may just require lighter duty. Handle electricity with care, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8953	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap -Scott Brown

Just so no one gets the wrong idea, David Horn and I are friends. At least I think we are. :-) We are both members of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Washington & Old Dominion Chapter. This past weekend we had a fun time at the Greenberg show here in Chantilly, Va. The club had a 22' x 22' modular layout. David and I both enjoyed having our wife and children come by and run trains. The club well received and met alot of nice people. Several members of the Baltimore Area American Flyer Club stopped by to see our layout and run some trains with us. David didn't run his AM GG-1, but you should see his AF 293 race around the track. David loves speed and smoke, and the 293 has a lot of both. I think we should have a club night where David shows us how to soup up our steamers. As far as American Models goes ... At the show, I was able to dump my AM GP-9 (could only get $100) and pick up a AF UP 372 GP-7 that didn't work (for the same $100), went home and sanded the reverse unit fingers and drum a little to make better contact, and voila !! it runs like a champ !! I love the 372. It pulls twice as many cars as the AM (about 14 through my winding layout) (even the heavy flyer ones). I'd like to find another 372 to match it. I'm still trying to dump 4 AM Canadian Pacific plug door box cars. Maybe David will buy them. LOL. I'm looking forward to seeing the S Helper F-3 units. Does anyone know if they made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to go with my 372. S Helper makes the best looking cabooses. Have a great day David !! Scott Brown (Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap) Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Washington & Old Dominion Chapter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8954	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap -Scott Brown

Hi Scott, Thanks for the report. It is always great to hear folks describe a recent club or personal train experience. That is what keeps me interested in the hobby. Thank you for the comments, and i personally welcome others to do the same. Wayne Broadhead Scott Brown wrote: > > Just so no one gets the wrong idea, David Horn and I are friends. At least I > think we are. :-) We are both members of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - > Washington & Old Dominion Chapter. This past weekend we had a fun time at the > Greenberg show here in Chantilly, Va. The club had a 22' x 22' modular layout. > David and I both enjoyed having our wife and children come by and run trains. > The club well received and met alot of nice people. Several members of the > Baltimore Area American Flyer Club stopped by to see our layout and run some > trains with us. David didn't run his AM GG-1, but you should see his AF 293 race > around the track. David loves speed and smoke, and the 293 has a lot of both. I > think we should have a club night where David shows us how to soup up our > steamers. As far as American Models goes ... At the show, I was able to dump my > AM GP-9 (could only get $100) and pick up a AF UP 372 GP-7 that didn't work (for > the same $100), went home and sanded the reverse unit fingers and drum a little > to make better contact, and voila !! it runs like a champ !! I love the 372. It > pulls twice as many cars as the AM (about 14 through my winding layout) (even > the heavy flyer ones). I'd like to find another 372 to match it. I'm still > trying to dump 4 AM Canadian Pacific plug door box cars. Maybe David will buy > them. LOL. I'm looking forward to seeing the S Helper F-3 units. Does anyone > know if they made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to go with my 372. S > Helper makes the best looking cabooses. Have a great day David !! > > Scott Brown > (Mr. Sell-Your-AM-for-scrap) > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Washington & Old Dominion Chapter > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember all those 80's songs about changing the world? Well, we're > finally old enough to make those changes. Click to prove you meant it. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6704/14/_/494531/_/963927008/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8955	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Great Scenery tip. Thanks Wayne!!

I want to thank Wayne from the South Jersey S Gaugers for this great scenery tip, A couple meetings ago Wayne did a demonstration using the Solid Pink foam insulation to create hills, valleys and mountains. I have completed about 20% of my scenery in a few hours. Light-years faster than conventional methods. In addition I must say it looks better than any other process I have used throughout the years. Once it is painted it has the genuine look of real terrain. the Insulating foam comes in 2 by 8 sheets and various thickness. I picked it up at Home Depot. I use liquid nails to bond the shapes I cut to build up height. Use a razor to cut. It is super light and extremely strong. I use a drill with a coarse fiberglass wheel they sell for removing rust, it does the major shaping super fast. I use the rasp for the final small details. Any questions feel free to ask. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8956	From: Stan S.	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Great Scenery tip. Thanks Wayne!!

> A couple meetings ago Wayne did a demonstration using the Solid Pink > foam insulation to create hills, valleys and mountains. > Once it is painted it has the genuine look of real terrain. Dow Corning makes insulation called Grayboard. It's the same basic material, but the color may be helpful, especially if you're leaving it unfinished for awhile. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8957	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Fwd: Tom & Chris Train Post on Transformers (reply)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 8958	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 690

>Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:41:27 -0600 > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> >Subject: Trip to ALTOONA > > > In October I will be traveling to York, I have heard of some railroad >spots around Altoona PA.. >Other than horseshoe curve, which I plan to visit, is their someone any >in that area that could make other >suggestions of places in the area I should see? > >Thanks > >Jerry 77-11644 >________________________________________________________________ There is the Railroader's Museum in Altoona....Conrail shops to "peek" into....The National Park Service used to offer a ride thru the "curve" via Amtrak (Altoona to Johnstown &/or reverse) You can hit East Broad Top on the way through, too. Gregg Mummert ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8959	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 7/18/2000
Subject: Transformer phasing

The question was asked, Need Opinion: Have tied together 3 AF transformers. The trains run fine; polarity and phasing appear correct and a jumper connects base on all three. The smaller of the three still overheats quickly if track power is engaged continuously from it. So, I now believe that all phased transformers must be of the same wattage?? Is that the answer, or do I have something here I can't see?? I am out of ideas-help! No, phased transformers do not need to be of the same wattage, unless you have the transformers in parallel, the transformers don't event know the others are there. If you have them in parallel, all sorts of wierd things can happen. Now, I suspect the smallest of your three is about 35 - 50 watts, and will put out no more that 1-1/2 amperes without heating up. Locomotive, headlight, smoke, thats about it before the heat is noticable. Use it to power an American Models or S-Helper locomotive, and your heat problem should not be evident. Alan Udy Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8960	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert Get-Together

Hi All...... This is not meant as a commercial advertisement, However I need some input regarding the following Dave's Twacks & Twains will be sponsoring the Gilbert Get-Together @ The Days Inn White Rose Ballroom 222 Arsenal Road, York, Pa.on Thursday October 19, 2000 8:00pm - 10:00/11:00pm The Gilbert Get-Together will be a show & tell, bring & brag open discussion forum to ask or answer questions about anything Gilbert. Maybe a guest speaker. There MAY be a small admission charge of $1.00 - $2.00 to help cover coffee & doughnuts. Or we could have coffee and doughnuts offered concession style??? The purpose of this meeting is to generate interest in Gilbert, teach & learn about Gilbert history etc. And build friendships and camaraderie amongst Gilbert collectors & operators. This event does not have any connection with the TCA as of yet. Please let me know what you think, or if you have additional ideas. Please advise if you think you might attend, need to give hotel some kind of guess of total people attending thnx & regard'S' Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8961	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: SHS UP Cabeese

Scott (Dump Your AM) Brown wants to know: >Does anyone know if (SHS) made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to go with my >372. S-Helper makes the best looking cabooses. Sorry Scott, they didn't. I wanted one but Don says UP never used that model of hack so he won't make one. I created an elaborate story about seeing a book with pictures of them but he said to show him the book. The guy's no fun, what can I say? I'm more interested in how you got a 372 for $100. Every one I've seen is $225 and up. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8962	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel

Here are some rules for connecting transformers in parallel: (1) Use identical transformers. (2) Make sure they are phased correctly. (3) Connect only the fixed-voltage posts (base, 15 V), not the variable (7-15 V). (4) Connect transformers together with short heavy wire. The reason for using identical transformers is to be sure they output the same voltage. If you connect an older AF transformer with a 15 V output in parallel with a newer one with a 16 V output, the 1 V difference in the voltages sees a short circuit through the transformer windings and causes a lot of current to circulate from one to the other. A poor connection between the transformers can make it more easy for one than the other to supply current to the train. Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab Electrical Engineer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8963	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS UP Cabeese

Dear Scott and Chris, A UP caboose is in the works. One that is a body style they owned. Don T. busy-boy wrote: > Scott (Dump Your AM) Brown wants to know: > >Does anyone know if (SHS) made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to go > with my >372. S-Helper makes the best looking cabooses. > > Sorry Scott, they didn't. I wanted one but Don says UP never used that > model of hack so he won't make one. I created an elaborate story about > seeing a book with pictures of them but he said to show him the book. The > guy's no fun, what can I say? > > I'm more interested in how you got a 372 for $100. Every one I've seen is > $225 and up. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click.egroups.com/1/7077/14/_/494531/_/964012979/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & NAHX Polychloborate cars are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8964	From: judy messinger	Date: 7/19/2000
Subject: "Stamp Act"

Does anyone know of a source for re-marking (cab numbers and tender script) on Flyer trains? Periodically, I pick an American Flyer loco and tender (not necessarily both, matching units at the same time) which are in pretty bad cosmetic and mechanical shape. I enjoy repairing and restoring them for my own use on my layout. The problem is; after re-painting them I have to buy rubber stamps to complete the job. Mostly, I only ever use them one time to finish the job then never have another need for the stamps. I have tried dry transfers and am not satisfied with them. I'm all for supporting our Flyer parts suppliers and have and will continue doing so but, a set of stamps (say for a 322 & tender) costs about $30.00 plus shipping. Not really a good investment for a one time use. Just wondered if anyone knew of a reasonably priced source that you could send your stuff to (after a repaint) and have it re-stamped. Thanks in advance for any ideas someone might offer. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8965	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rubber stamps

<<Just wondered if anyone knew of a reasonably priced source that you could send your stuff to (after a repaint) and have it re-stamped. >> Since we are the only source of the appropriate rubber stamps, a response is appropriate. I do NOT want to offer to provide this service at PLHS. We already are so overwhelmed here between the business and a "regular job" (that pays the bills!) that to offer another service like this would just result in even more delays in getting orders shipped, and repairs done and returned to folks. However, here's an opportunity for someone else out there! I am willing to offer a full-set of the rubber stamps (about 100 0f them....I've lost track) to someone who is willing to provide the stamping service to others. I will provide the stamps at a reduced cost, of course, in a one-shot purchase. I would then refer all inquiries to that person. If anyone has an interest, contact us off-list and we'll discuss details. BTW....we now stock inks. The original problem which we had with short shelf-life inks is solved as we've located a different brand of ink with a longer shelf-life. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8966	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: "Stamp Act"

Maybe if we get enough guys that need the same stamp we can shear the cost and past it around. George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8967	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695

Yippee to Don. It will be great to see a UP S-Helper caboose !! Chris, the seller I bought the 372 from was only asking $135. and since it didn't work was willing to take $100. He said he had it for 2 years. I had seen it on his table last year and at the time wasn't interested. Wish he had had a couple more. I got a good deal for sure. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Chapter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8968	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rubber stamps

Meant to add one other comment to my original posting...... Although a set of three r/s to restore a typical loco and tender will cost $20-$30 (depending on the engine), consider the cost of packing and shipping your two shells to someone else, paying them to restamp them, and then paying the return shipping. I suspect that you won't have saved very much when all is completed. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8969	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Number Stamps

Maybe the people who have bought the Rubber stamps would consider renting them to other list subscribers. It does seem like alot of money, at least for me it is, to stamp one Loco or car. I would Gladly pay A fair fee to use someones stamp and then return it to its owner. those of you who own stamps would you consider this. If so reply with a list of the stamps you have avalable and what you think is a fair price. Maybe around $5.00 + renter pays postage. Thanks Joe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8970	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert Get Together

I would love such an event as I will be at the YorK meet anyway. This may be an ideal place to show some of the harder to find stuff in my inventory. Keep me informed. Mark B. Preman http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8971	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695

Dave Horn, Bill Novak, and I has been discussing transformers the past couple of days and I would like some input from you all. We have talked about the merits and demerits of various transformers we might like to purchase for our club including the obvious AF ones, MRC, and ZW. There is concern over voltage and voltage spikes that might come from the ZW and MRC transformers that would harm the AM and S-Helper engines. I'm not all that knowledgeable about electronics. I was a journeyman electrician in a former life before I became a paramedic. Maybe you all have had good or bad experiences with these or other transformers and could recommend one to us. We will need 3 transformers. 2 for the 2 lines on our modules and 1 for the accessories. We also want to be able to use the whistle/bell sounds on some of the newer engines. Personally, I don't care for the LTI button as you lose power to the engine when you push it. Bill has the AM sound module that worked very well but seems to cut the power all the time. It wasn't that noticeable though. But is around $50 which is alot more than the LTI button. I like the ZW because the buttons are built in and don't cut the power. The ZW also puts out more power than we probably will ever use, which I like. But both Dave and Bill raised the concern about voltage spikes from the ZW which would damage the newer engines. That's something we obviously don't want. Our Richmond Chapter uses the MRC transformers and I haven't heard any complaints from them. Any ideas ? Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Chapter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8972	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Sale on American Flyer Trains

Ok, I'm back from vacation(I know you're thrilled). The wife spent waaaaaaaay too much and now I need cash flow. 20% off any purchase through the end of July for any S-Trains member. Ask for the discount so I know your are from S-Trains. This will liven up the summer doldrums! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8973	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: voltage spikes

Scott, I do have one idea that may help. You could install some MOV's, metal oxide varisistors, in your track circuits. I've only fooled around with them on my workbench and am at the outer edge of my electronic knowledge here. I think MOV's are the main ingredient in the surge suppressors that protect your computer equipment. They have 2 leads, which are connected to each rail. Up tp their rated voltage, they do nothing. When a spike occurs, they instantly pass it through as a short circuit. The O gauge guys use them. They are bi-diredtional. Comments, anyone? I plan to write a Roundhouse on them. I am curious why you would expect more voltage spikes from a ZW than from an 18-B. It is really sad that all the new train makers use solid state reverse units. They are like pantyhose -- whoever invented them should be r.......aaah, forget it! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8974	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: transformers and sound

Hey gang, there's a spirited conversation underway in our train club about what transformers and sound systems to use with our modular layout. We run ACG AF, American Models, and S-Helper engines and rolling stock, with accessories along the layout (powered off a shared loop of wire). The choices seem to be 1) Lionel ZW's because they're brutes and come with sound buttons built in, 2) MRC 027 tranformers because they're modern and have sound goodies in them too, 3) ACG AF 19B's with QMS sound boxes. My preference is for 19B's - - one for each loop of track (we have 2 loops) each with a QMS/AM sound box and a switch to have the sound box in or out of the circuit at the time, and another 19B to power the accessories loop. I don't think it's wise to run with ZW's due to their 20 volt rating (wear and tear on AF, fry the electronics of the new), and MRC's are nice but only 100 watts. Here's part of the notes I've routed around to members of the club, but I'm wondering what your opinion is, or if I've missed something. Thanks. MRC=100 watts, 19B=300 watts - - which do you want to run with much of a load on it (i.e. two trains on the same loop, double-headers, powered AB/ABA/AA units, a bunch of accessories on one loop)? Hint - watts is a measure of how much work the unit was designed for. Correct, the 19B. Sound - - go with Bill's design, 2 QMS sound boxes, $50 each, install each with a switch so the operator can decide whether to have it on or off (i.e. in or out of the circcuit between the transformer and the track) at the time they're running their train. Would love to have that on my layout....hmmmm. Running old stuff - - in or out, new stuff with sound boards - - in. Voltage and spikes - - AC sine wave means if you quickly leave the circuit at a peak and re-enter at a trough (derail with a glacing blow across the tracks) you can get the equivilence of twice the output voltage of the transformer at the time. Worst case, assuming you're running full throttle (which you might do not only to go fast :> but to pull a long train) you have twice the rated (i.e. maximum) voltage of the transformer surging through the electronic/electrical portion of your engine. Old ACG AF engines can take quite a lot (i.e. easily a spike of 40 volts or more) because their reverse units and sound stuff (diesel roar) are electro-mechanical. The new stuff, however, is solid state (i.e. printed circuit) and they can't take much more than a 30v spike* (i.e. a 15 volt rated transformer) otherwise, biizzzzaaattt. Toast. * Unless the engine is manufactured with spike suppression circuitry built in, which you might argue they should have. On the other hand, don't you think they're expensive enough already? The manufacturers would rather recommend you not run them with "high voltage" transformers like the ZW, than equip them for the worst case and charge even more than they already do. This is also considered a moot point for S-gaugers who usually start with ACG trains originally designed for 15-16 volts max, and transformers to match. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8975	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Typo in : "Stamp Act"

Hi all, I needed this humor this AM, the census project is getting to me. It is amazing what a little slip of the typing can do! ". . . we can shear the cost and past it around" Hmm, Pun may have been intended, "shear" instead of "share" would "shave off" a bit of the expense! <RBG> Gotta go argue with my superiors in defense of my crew, later! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8976	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: MOVs and voltage spikes (long)

Hi Tom: (1) The only constraint with MOVs is that they have a finite lifetime based on how many times they "fire" or conduct. In highly repetitive applications, such as for quenching spikes in a motor circuit, they're not suitable, as they simply wear out. In a random spiking application, such as across rails, they may indeed be useful in suppressing spikes. Our beloved old-fashioned AF gear won't be affected by spiking, but some of the new electronics accessories may be susceptible, in which case a MOV will do a fine job of spike suppression. Just be aware that they have an inherent wearout trait. Note this admonition (from abstract below): "....together with a tendency for both characteristics to deteriorate with temperature changes and repeated pulse diversion mean that MOVs are rarely used for the accurate and repeatable protection needed for instrumentation and communications equipment...." (2) The manufacturer's data sheets and engineering applications notes discuss this. You may want to research this on General Electric's or Philip's Web site. (3) Below is (a) some edited info I grabbed from a Web site, and (b) a brief tutorial on MOVs. Some of this info is directly applicable to our hobby. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine ------------------------------------> INFO FOLLOWS: A varistor is a voltage-dependent resistor in which the increase in current with voltage through the device is non-linear. Varistors are made from metal oxide particles (usually zinc) and are thus generally known as 'metal-oxide varistors' or 'MOVs'. The zinc oxide particles are compressed together so that inter-particle contact acts as a semiconductor junction. Millions of these particles mimic millions of diodes at various voltages, so, as voltage across the MOV increases, more and more junctions become conducting. Excess current is then bled off through the component, with power being absorbed through the mass of the MOV. The power handling capability per unit-volume of varistors is much higher than that of the surge suppression diodes since the varistor effect is a feature of the total material of the component, not just the semiconductor junction area. However, the millions of junctions in a MOV lead to a much higher leakage current at low voltages. Response time to impulses is as fast as a Zener diode and varistors are mainly applied to ac load protection where networks for single-phase and three-phase supplies are easy to construct. Their characteristics of ‘soft’ voltage clamping and high leakage current at nominal voltage (together with a tendency for both characteristics to deteriorate with temperature changes and repeated pulse diversion) mean that MOVs are rarely used for the accurate and repeatable protection needed for instrumentation and communications equipment. ------------------------------------------------> MORE INFO: 1.The performance of varistors may deteriorate, the inside elements may be damaged, and they cause the varistors to smoke or catch fire, if the following precautions are not observed. 1.Do not use varistors in places whose temperature exceeds their rated operating temperature due to direct sunlight or heating objects 2.Do not use varistors in a humid place directly exposed to the weather or steam. 3.Do not use varistors in places filled with dust, salt-mist or corrosive gas. 4.Apply soldering conditions within the limits prescribed in the catalog or product specifications. 5.Do not use solvents such as thinner and acetone which dissolve or make the exterior covering of varistors deteriorate. 6.Do not expose varistors to intense vibration, shock (drop shock etc.) or pressure making the exterior covering of inside element crack. 7.Do not apply high Voltage exceeding the rated maximum applying voltage to varistors. In the case of automotive jump starts, however, use the varistors within short-term allowable voltage limits prescribed in the catalog. 8.Do not apply peak currents exceeding the rated maximum energy. 9.When peak currents are repeatedly applied to varistors, do not exceed the pulse life time ratings prescribed in the catalog. 10.When peak currents are intermittently applied to varistors at short intervals, do not exceed the rated wattage. 11.Using varistors in circuits whose frequency exceeds 1 kHz may damage their elements by heat generation due to dielectric loss. 12.In the case of coating or molding varistors with resin, do not use the resin which makes the varistors deteriorate. 13.Do not install varistors in places near by flammable substances. 2. Varistors may blow up, if the following precautions are not observed. 1.Do not use varistors in circuits applied peak currents exceeding the specified limits. 2.Do not exceed the rated maximum applying voltage. 3. Observe the following precautions: 1.The lead close to insulation cover shall not be bent or applied to outer force. 2. When soldering the lead, do not damage the solder material and insulator fabricating the varistor. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... [mailto:jarcho@...] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:40 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] voltage spikes Scott, I do have one idea that may help. You could install some MOV's, metal oxide varisistors, in your track circuits. I've only fooled around with them on my workbench and am at the outer edge of my electronic knowledge here. I think MOV's are the main ingredient in the surge suppressors that protect your computer equipment. They have 2 leads, which are connected to each rail. Up tp their rated voltage, they do nothing. When a spike occurs, they instantly pass it through as a short circuit. The O gauge guys use them. They are bi-diredtional. Comments, anyone? I plan to write a Roundhouse on them. I am curious why you would expect more voltage spikes from a ZW than from an 18-B. It is really sad that all the new train makers use solid state reverse units. They are like pantyhose -- whoever invented them should be r.......aaah, forget it! Tom Jarcho ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: http://click.egroups.com/1/7078/14/_/494531/_/964100429/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8977	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Stamping AF after repainting

>Joe Messinger is looking for a low cost way to restamp AF products after >repainting. I'm pretty sure I have seen stamp kits that come with >individual letters and numbers. You just put them in a stamp handle, >tighten them down, and you're on your way. It might even be a kid's item >or something you'd find in a craft shop. Pete Ervin >Does anyone know of a source for re-marking (cab numbers and tender script) >on Flyer trains? > >Periodically, I pick an American Flyer loco and tender (not necessarily >both, matching units at the same time) which are in pretty bad cosmetic and >mechanical shape. I enjoy repairing and restoring them for my own use on my >layout. The problem is; after re-painting them I have to buy rubber stamps >to complete the job. Mostly, I only ever use them one time to finish the >job then never have another need for the stamps. I have tried dry transfers >and am not satisfied with them. I'm all for supporting our Flyer parts >suppliers and have and will continue doing so but, a set of stamps (say for >a 322 & tender) costs about $30.00 plus shipping. Not really a good >investment for a one time use. > >Just wondered if anyone knew of a reasonably priced source that you could >send your stuff to (after a repaint) and have it re-stamped. > >Thanks in advance for any ideas someone might offer. > >Joe Messinger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8978	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re:Stamping AF after repainting

Unfortunately, if you want accurate type styles and sizes, these won't work. I believe the stamps Doug sells are made from actual AF imprints that have been scanned. The images are digitally enlarged and detail cleaned up, and then the stamps are produced from the corrected image. I have quite a few of these stamps and they make beautiful imprints, although it does take some practice to get a real nice job routinely. I would be open to doing the stamping for people who don't want to invest in the stamps. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Peter Ervin wrote: > >Joe Messinger is looking for a low cost way to restamp AF products after > >repainting. I'm pretty sure I have seen stamp kits that come with > >individual letters and numbers. You just put them in a stamp handle, > >tighten them down, and you're on your way. It might even be a kid's item > >or something you'd find in a craft shop.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8979	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: voltage spikes

That last line of mine should have read, "roasting on a......" Voltage spikes on Flyer layouts are or can be much larger than 40 v. One electronic engineer, who shall go nameless since I'm kind of dissin' his product, but who happens to be an extremely nice guy, told me that he found they often measured 80v or more. Of course they are very brief. But enough to fry leetle semiconductors. Electricity does funny things that you might not expect. It's also not completely understood yet (the left hand rule, etc.). MOV's are very cheap, less than $1 each, so cost isn't the reason they aren't included in the new locos. These new electronic wonderboards remind me of real life. When I was a kid and reverse units were electromechanical, nothing stopped the railroads except the largest hurricanes. Planes might not fly, the roads might get washed out, but the trains always got thru. It was a source of great pride to train freaks. Nowadays, with all this digital stuff, they shut down the railroads at the first hint of a storm. This peaked last winter when Amtrak was forced to suspend all trains in Michigan because a hurricane was expected to hit not the tracks but a CSX dispatching center in Florida! Of course the storm never hit the dispatching center except for some rain, and CSX ended up with huevos rancheros on its face. Solid state reverse units are a sad case of art imitating life. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8980	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Stamping AF after repainting

If you get really desperate for an inexpensive stamp, you could do what we did when we were kids and carve a stamp out of a potato. As David Dewey says, "Just kidding!" Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8981	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Lionel/MTH track trips

Does anyone on this list use Lionel track trips (contactors), triggered by the weight of a passing train, with AF track? Are there any tricks to this? Doug, do I remember you saying that you carry the MTH version? Need this info for an article. Thanks in advance. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8982	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695

RE: Gilbert Get-Together Is the AC Gilbert Heritage Society involved ? If not contact Lewis Gotze at lgotze@... . He is the President of the Mid Atlantic Region of the Society. > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@egroups.com [SMTP:S-Trains@egroups.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:10 AM > To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 695 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Find long lost high school friends: > http://click.egroups.com/1/7080/14/_/494531/_/964084226/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Gilbert Get-Together > From: "Clay Buckage" <cbuckage@...> > 2. SHS UP Cabeese > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > 3. Transformers in parallel > From: "Frederick Raab" <fhraab@...> > 4. Re: SHS UP Cabeese > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > 5. "Stamp Act" > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:24:34 -0400 > From: "Clay Buckage" <cbuckage@...> > Subject: Gilbert Get-Together > > Hi All...... > > This is not meant as a commercial advertisement, However > I need some input regarding the following > Dave's Twacks & Twains will be sponsoring the > Gilbert Get-Together @ The Days Inn White Rose Ballroom > 222 Arsenal Road, York, Pa.on Thursday October 19, 2000 > 8:00pm - 10:00/11:00pm > The Gilbert Get-Together will be a show & tell, bring & brag > open discussion forum to ask or answer questions about anything > Gilbert. Maybe a guest speaker. There MAY be a small admission charge > of $1.00 - $2.00 to help cover coffee & doughnuts. > Or we could have coffee and doughnuts offered concession style??? > The purpose of this meeting is to generate interest in Gilbert, teach & > learn > about Gilbert history etc. And build friendships and camaraderie amongst > Gilbert collectors & operators. > This event does not have any connection with the TCA as of yet. > Please let me know what you think, or if you have additional ideas. > Please advise if you think you might attend, need to give hotel > some kind of guess of total people attending > > thnx & regard'S' > > Clay > > > > "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" > "The Shadow Knows!" > > Clay Buckage > Dave's Twacks & Twains > Box 388 > Tatamy, Pa. 18085 > cbuckage@... > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:22:40 -0400 > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > Subject: SHS UP Cabeese > > Scott (Dump Your AM) Brown wants to know: > >Does anyone know if (SHS) made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to > go > with my >372. S-Helper makes the best looking cabooses. > > Sorry Scott, they didn't. I wanted one but Don says UP never used that > model of hack so he won't make one. I created an elaborate story about > seeing a book with pictures of them but he said to show him the book. The > guy's no fun, what can I say? > > I'm more interested in how you got a 372 for $100. Every one I've seen is > $225 and up. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:47:17 -0400 > From: "Frederick Raab" <fhraab@...> > Subject: Transformers in parallel > > Here are some rules for connecting transformers in parallel: > > (1) Use identical transformers. > (2) Make sure they are phased correctly. > (3) Connect only the fixed-voltage posts (base, 15 V), not the > variable (7-15 V). > (4) Connect transformers together with short heavy wire. > > The reason for using identical transformers is to be sure they output the > same voltage. If you connect an older AF transformer with a 15 V output > in > parallel with a newer one with a 16 V output, the 1 V difference in the > voltages sees a short circuit through the transformer windings and causes > a lot of current to circulate from one to the other. > > A poor connection between the transformers can make it more easy for one > than > the other to supply current to the train. > > Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab > Electrical Engineer. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:52:40 -0400 > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > Subject: Re: SHS UP Cabeese > > Dear Scott and Chris, > A UP caboose is in the works. One that is a body style they owned. > Don T. > > busy-boy wrote: > > > Scott (Dump Your AM) Brown wants to know: > > >Does anyone know if (SHS) made a UP caboose ? Would love to have one to > go > > with my >372. S-Helper makes the best looking cabooses. > > > > Sorry Scott, they didn't. I wanted one but Don says UP never used that > > model of hack so he won't make one. I created an elaborate story about > > seeing a book with pictures of them but he said to show him the book. > The > > guy's no fun, what can I say? > > > > I'm more interested in how you got a 372 for $100. Every one I've seen > is > > $225 and up. > > > > Two to go, > > Chris Zizzo > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > > experiments. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/7077/14/_/494531/_/964012979/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > M&StL(CNW) zito yellow & > NAHX Polychloborate cars > are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/2bayps2_in_stock.html > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:42:55 GMT > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > Subject: "Stamp Act" > > Does anyone know of a source for re-marking (cab numbers and tender > script) > on Flyer trains? > > Periodically, I pick an American Flyer loco and tender (not necessarily > both, matching units at the same time) which are in pretty bad cosmetic > and > mechanical shape. I enjoy repairing and restoring them for my own use on > my > layout. The problem is; after re-painting them I have to buy rubber > stamps > to complete the job. Mostly, I only ever use them one time to finish the > job then never have another need for the stamps. I have tried dry > transfers > and am not satisfied with them. I'm all for supporting our Flyer parts > suppliers and have and will continue doing so but, a set of stamps (say > for > a 322 & tender) costs about $30.00 plus shipping. Not really a good > investment for a one time use. > > Just wondered if anyone knew of a reasonably priced source that you could > send your stuff to (after a repaint) and have it re-stamped. > > Thanks in advance for any ideas someone might offer. > > Joe Messinger > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8983	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs.Electromechenical Reverse Units???

There has been a lot of traffic recently about the merits or lack of, on the new electronic reverse units. Why not operated on DC and forget about the reverse units? One less thing to worry about, and I believe it makes for smoother operations. Even old A.C. produced some DC units that operate very nicely. In the past I had two Flyer locos that I had converted to DC can motors, a 310 and a 300. They ran as smooth as silk! After I sold off my modest Flyer collection to finance the buying of newer AM and SHS locos and rolling stock I have often regreted not keep the 310 and 300. When I operate my DC powered AM PA( two can motors and three brass flywheels) on the club modular layout, pulling three AF aluminum passenger cars and two L Flyer plastic passenger cars with home made plastic floors and AM streamlined pasenger trucks I allways receive comments about how smooth the loco operates. Also that the loco motors do not get very warm even after running for and hour or longer. One of the club members, Gene Sandowski, operates his L Flyer Wabash Geeps(equiped with the new can motor) pulling a twelve car or more freight train, has had the same good results with the motor not overheating. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8984	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units

The question is,, why not get rid of reverse units and operate on DC? Here's my answer, Tom. 1. I 've gone to a lot of trouble to restore my Flyer to tip top shape, and it all looks and works great. Why would i want to alter it? If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but had its guts ripped out and replaced by a diode bridge, it's not a duck! 2. (and this is the main reason): I run large floor layouts with automatic reverse loops, train stopping accessories, etc. It is MUCH more complicated to wire a complex layout with DC. Think what you have to do with a reverse loop or wye. You have to be able to reverse the polarity of both the loop and the approaches. You have to have a block system with toggle or rotary switches. Both rails of every block need to be insulated so you can reverse polarity where you want. These are a drag on a floor layout. With a common rail AC system, the Flyer switches create the block system. Only one rail has to be isolated. The Flyer switches can do most of this .My experience has been that if you have to throw turnouts and also toggle or rotary switches, you have more wrecks. Using train stopping accessories such as semaphores requires much more wiring with DC. On a permanent layout, all the wires are hidden and permanently located. Toggle switches can be mounted on the fascia or a control panel. On a floor layout toggle switches and wires are an encumbrance. I love the whole Gilbert system: the sturdy track that can make almost any configuration, the sound deadening rubber roadbed, the sound and smoke devices, the switches that control track power, the trestles, the uncouplers and action cars and track trips that can go practically anywhere, the train stopping accessories. I llke working with it and within it. I can set up a great railroad on my floor in a day or 2. There are easy ways to compensate for its few weaknesses. I love the turret transformers too. No other toy train controller ever resembled the controls of a real locomotive so closely. With an AC common rail system, I just throw the turnouts to my route, grab that red handle, and run my train. 3. If I were building a public display and were going to run a loco 7 hrs a day or more, i would install a can motor in it, though i have had ok luck with original Flyer in the one I did build. But my Gilbert locos have enough power to pull any train I want, climb any grade I construct. Their slow speed performance is good enough to make/break up trains in a yard. And they don't overheat in the few hours a day I am able to run them. I'm satisfied. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8985	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units

Tom and All............ Hooray for ducks.. Why alter locos and everything else, AC system is fine and works well if used the way it was designed Reverse loops NO PROBLEM with #695 relay is automatic w/flyer switches or #698 reverse kit that you can make yourself if you can't find original Versatility of two train operation in Gilbert switches actually requires less blocks Keep in mind this does require some planning, i.e. you want certain accessories to face in a direction that you can see the action We not only have it on our home permanent layout, but AC system is used on our portable show layout also. #15 rectifier w/dpdt switch inline if we want to run flyer dc. Also, separate loop powered by #16 rectiformer. NO PROBLEMS EVER regard'S' Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8986	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs. electromechanical reverse units

OK, here's my 2 cents worth. I stick with AC because I'm using a lot of AM and OTT sound equipment plus Lionel Railsounds. None of this works with DC. The sound stuff is a big hit at shows where we have set up our club (RASG)modules. My new AM Amtrak materials handling boxcar with sound car is great with the Superliner set, and the AM GG1 with horn and bell is a real crowd pleaser plus a workhorse. Clay Buckage wrote: > > Tom and All............ > > Hooray for ducks.. > Why alter locos and everything else, AC system is fine > and works well if used the way it was designed > Reverse loops NO PROBLEM with #695 relay is automatic w/flyer switches > or #698 reverse kit that you can make yourself if you can't find original > Versatility of two train operation in Gilbert switches actually requires less > blocks > Keep in mind this does require some planning, i.e. you want certain accessories > to face in a direction that you can see the action > > We not only have it on our home permanent layout, but AC system is used > on our portable show layout also. #15 rectifier w/dpdt switch inline > if we want to run flyer dc. Also, separate loop powered by #16 rectiformer. > NO PROBLEMS EVER > > regard'S' > > Clay -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8987	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Electronic vs.Electromechenical Reverse Units???

We have experimented with several manufacturers electronic units and found some better than others. I support the notion that the same unit (RDCs in our case) will perform smoother on DC than AC. All of our units are built as DC and tested as such prior to installing the AC conversion unit. There is a slight reduction in performance at low end, but the AC transformers usually put out more than 12 volts at the high end so the unit will reach a higher speed on AC as a result. The operaton of a DC unit is easier for multidirection, since it goes in the direction you tell it to, where the AC unit either sequences each time the power is removed( intentionly or other wise), or it has to be locked in one direction and can not be reversed without unlocking. \ Bottom line here, the differences are not dramatic, but a $ 50. electronic unit sure does affect the total cost. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <TPDavis7@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:14 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Electronic vs.Electromechenical Reverse Units??? > There has been a lot of traffic recently about the merits or lack of, on the > new electronic reverse units. Why not operated on DC and forget about the > reverse units? One less thing to worry about, and I believe it makes for > smoother operations. Even old A.C. produced some DC units that operate very > nicely. In the past I had two Flyer locos that I had converted to DC can > motors, a 310 and a 300. They ran as smooth as silk! After I sold off my > modest Flyer collection to finance the buying of newer AM and SHS locos and > rolling stock I have often regreted not keep the 310 and 300. When I operate > my DC powered AM PA( two can motors and three brass flywheels) on the club > modular layout, pulling three AF aluminum passenger cars and two L Flyer > plastic passenger cars with home made plastic floors and AM streamlined > pasenger trucks I allways receive comments about how smooth the loco > operates. Also that the loco motors do not get very warm even after running > for and hour or longer. One of the club members, Gene Sandowski, operates > his L Flyer Wabash Geeps(equiped with the new can motor) pulling a twelve car > or more freight train, has had the same good results with the motor not > overheating. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get great brand name shoes with just the click of a mouse. Check out > the huge selection at Zappos.com, the Web's Most Popular Store! > http://click.egroups.com/1/6994/14/_/494531/_/964124125/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8988	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Tenders

If you want a nice tender for your Hudson or whatever, try getting a couple of the little plastic MARX tenders. The trucks are faked and, therefore, the tender has only two axles. I spliced a couple of them together and made an excellent looking spare tender for my Hudson. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8989	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Electronic vs. Electromechanical-AC vs DC

To carry it a little further, I feel very strongly that running Flyer trains on DC is a MISTAKE. Running the whole Gilbert system, as I do, grows a respect for it. it works. It is as one. It's a gas! The situation reminds me of the '60's , when they were trying to convince us to trade in our S and O for HO. That turned out not to be valid for most of us. The quick fix for tricky reverse units of converting to DC is a nonstarter too. Don Heimburger is trying to get me to write about DC in the Roundhouse column, but I don't believe in it. I get all these letters from DC users that he forwards to me. They are totally lost. It's kind of sad. I try to help but hey, they were misled. If they had stuck with AC they would have been better off. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8990	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Track Trips

<Does anyone on this list use Lionel track trips (contactors), triggered by the weight of a passing train, with AF track? Are there any tricks to this? Doug, do I remember you saying that you carry the MTH version? > I carry, and recommend the MTH TAD pressure-trip. Although made for that "larger gauge", it works fine under AF track as well.....can't see any reason it wouldn't work with Gargraves or even SHS track, as long as it's free to react to pressure above. The TAD is far more reliable than the 697 trips, and they retail for only $10. HOWEVER, just yesterday, I experimented with the new MTH InfraRed trip, and it is terrific! I have already ordered two cases of them! I won't go into all its details here, but essentially, it sits next to your track, and when its beam is reflected back by passing wheels, it activates the circuit for whatever accessory it is wired to.....Xng Lights, Signal Bridge, Billboard Whistle, etc. First reaction might be "what about the passing gaps between the wheels?" The nice feature of the IRTAD is that it has an adjustment for delay anywhere from 0-15 (I think) seconds. So for the Hiway Flasher, you set the delay to 0......for a Crossing Gate, set it higher, and not only will the gate stay down, but it will stay down for X seconds AFTER the caboose passes ! This is a terrific item which I plan to highly recommend henceforth. Retail price for the IRTAD is only $19.95.............. how can you complain about that! We should have these in stock in 10 days or so, if anyone is interested. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8991	From: Peck	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] R/S

<Unfortunately, if you want accurate type styles and sizes, these won't work. I believe the stamps Doug sells are made from actual AF imprints that have been scanned. The images are digitally enlarged and detail cleaned up, and then the stamps are produced from the corrected image. I have quite a few of these stamps and they make beautiful imprints> Almost correct..... Actually, photographs were taken of the actual stampings on the various engines, etc. The photos were then computerized, enlarged, "cleaned up, and then reduced back to original size. "Artwork" was then turned out from that end-result to produce the stamps. They are perfect reproductions of original stampings. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8992	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: AC/DC & Ask Jeeves

For list, I throw my support for AC----Would "AC" want it any other way? Did 'American Flyer Train' search at web site: Ask Jeeves . Did AC Gilbert also. A little more hit on that name. Someone with computer savy ought to get this list keyed to Ask Jeeves along with a few other mentionables about S gauge. "Ask Jeeves" is an interesting place for those who haven't been there. I bet alot of train info could be found through Jeeves. JReddington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8993	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Stamping AF after repainting

Tom, Wasn't that "carve out of a potatoe"?? S' David "nyuck nyuck" D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8994	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: AM horn on all the time

The horn on my AM GG1 blasted continuously whenever I gave it throttle from an MRC 027 transformer. Any ideas why? Thanks. PS It ran OK on non-MRC transformers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8995	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Transformers

How does the ZW induce voltage spikes? It is a transformer with roller wipers. There really is nothing in it to cause spiking unless there is a poor or momentary contact situation with the rollers. In prime condition, a ZW should make no spikes. Anybody with real information on this, I would love to hear a challenging response. It might also be a good idea to raise this question on the TCA list, since those guys have a great deal more ZW experience and are also running modern electronics, including TMCC. There's another idea. Why not buy the transformer designed for today's trains, the new ZW. You could even install UCUBs and get full command control! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8996	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel

Fritz sez: >The reason for using identical transformers is to be sure they output the >same voltage. If you connect an older AF transformer with a 15 V output in >parallel with a newer one with a 16 V output, the 1 V difference in the >voltages sees a short circuit through the transformer windings and causes >a lot of current to circulate from one to the other. Fritz: You gave some good advice in your post, but I think that the above may get confusing. The presumption is that the transformers will NOT be in parallel. Since only the base posts will be tied together, the type of transformer and it's voltage output becomes irrelevant. If this were not so, then you could not apply different voltages to each block of track with each transformer wiper. The only difference, as I pointed out in my earlier post, is that when the train moves into the smaller transformer's block, the transformer might not be up to the task of handling a train that the 30B in the last block passed on with ease. I recommend strongly against the practice of wiring multiple transformers in a true parallel. No two transformers are exactly alike, especially 50 year old ones. If you accidentally get one plug out of phase you are in for a 4th. of July moment. Even in a correctly wired situation, heat will build, currents will run high, and strange effect can occur. Just don't do it. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8997	From: finerty, paul	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: digest 696 comments

In addition to my AF layout I have an O gauge layout equipped with MTH and Williams products, both diesel and steam. Of course, I have way more AF stuff than O gauge stuff. All of the O gauge engines have solid state reverse units factory installed in them. One pair of loops is powered by an MTH Z-4000 and another pair is powered by a ZW. Personally I wish I had another Z-4000 instead of the ZW, but that's another conversation. The solid state reverse units in all the engines I run have worked absolutely flawlessly every time, and have never failed. They work so well, and we're talking about several years of almost daily operation here, that I am thinking about dropping a couple of them into some of my AF equipment. I'm sick of the drum type reverse units sticking and not providing reliable operation. My thought is to put an electronic reverse unit inside the tender along with the mechanical unit. I just won't have the motor voltage come out of the mechanical unit. That way the clicking sound associated with the drum unit will still be present most of the time, but the voltage switching will be done by the electronic unit. Seems like the best idea for guaranteed operation, and most people will never be able to tell the difference. One thing I can say I'm disappointed with is the reverse units in my AM Alco's though. I think they are OMS units, but I'm not positive. There are two separate units in the ABA set, one in each A unit. What happens is that one unit switches and the other doesn't, so the two A's end up working against each other. The QSI units in the MTH engines work much better, so I might replace the AM reverse units with QSI units. Being an electronic engineer I am of course biased, but to me solid state is the better performer. Time will tell if they stand up to 40 years of wear and tear. One other note: I have used the Lionel and MTH track trips that activate under the weight of a consist as it cruises over them. They work OK, but not great. The problem is you have to adjust the trip for the weight of your consist. Problem is, what happens if you put a smaller engine and consist on that track? The trip doesn't work any more. MTH has an interesting product that works on infrared beams to detect a train passing adjacent to it. That works really well. The problem with theirs is that you have to be using MTH track. Perhaps one of our S manufaturers will comeout with a similar device for use with AF, SHS, AM and other types of track....... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8998	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: R/C switch controllers

OK, here goes my AF inexperience raising it's ugly head. I just bought 8 Switches for 24.95.( I won't say from where or who). It also came with a controller that is very different from my first controller. My first controller when switched will lock part of the lever in place and allow the rest of the handle to move freely between the two positions. The latest 2 controlers I have purchased, move into position and stay there.on one switch I was testing, it seem to keep the solenoid(sp?) activated. Of course I know this will burn up the Solenoid if kept on. My question is this, What is the difference in the way these two controllers work? How is the second controller supposed to work? I would go to frequently asked questions, but my computer is acting up and won't allow me to get on the www. Thanks in advance for the help. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 8999	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: MRC transformer question #2

There is no indication of a "base" post on MRC 027 transformers. Is there any reason they can not be put in phase with each other or in phase with an AF transformer? Is it simply trial and error until you have the right combination of posts connected and plug orientation in the socket (i.e. polarity) to get it right (i.e. minimal spark instead of a lot)? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9000	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: Transformers and Sound

Just my 2-cents on the transformer discussion. I've got a hodgepodge of transfomers that I use; ZW, 17B, 30B, and a bunch of small accessory only power packs. I recently added an MTH Z-4000 with walk-around remote. Once I solved some difficulty with operating track-voltage-based accessories (courtesy of advice from some members of this list), I couldn't be happier with it. My AM Southern Crescent seems very happy, both running and sound operation, and my childhood 302AC seems to start more smoothly and have more pulling power than it had when I used some of the other power supplies I mentioned. I'll probably sell the ZW and if I need more power another Z4000 seems like a good candidate. Just my experience. Robert Ellis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9001	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: R/C switch controllers

CB: the controller that acts differently must be a very old one made for the first Flyer s gauge remote control switches -- the #720. These had contacts like Lionel turnouts that cut off the power to the solenoids after the switch was thrown. They were only made for a year or two, and then were replaced by the 720-A switches, which are the ones you know, the common ones. The 720 looks a lot different from the 720-A. You should not use the 720 controller with the 720-A switch because the switch solenoids will burn out. If you need switch controllers, you can modify the K-line O gauge ones. You have to cut a gap in the metal strip under the controller and then rewire it with Rainbow wire. I wrote about this in the Jan/Feb '96 S Gaugian Roundhouse. Lionel O Gauge switch controllers can be modified in the same way, but the K-line ones should be easire to find and cheaper, too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9002	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: DC and AF

I constructed a box which has bridge rectifiers, DPDT switches and a switch to alternate between AC & DC current for track power as desired. I initially did this to be able to operate a 332 DC engine on all three main lines. I have found that on the AC engines the e unit is much quieter using DC power. I also use DC for uncoupler solonoids for the same reason. There are several volts lost through this system though. I have not experienced e - unit problems with the exception of a 1947 322 which at low power will travel several feet before engaging the next sequence. By the way, have any experienced a melt down from the heat of the solonoid in a 977 action caboose as I did recently. Now I'm looking for a 977 shell! Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9003	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: AM GG1

Hi All: After saying about one month ago how great the GG-1 (Hi-rail, AC) operated, nd that I have not had any problems (on the contrary, the sounds and operation were terrific!), I am having major problems with it now just going around the tracks. I tried everything easy - cleaning wheels, track, etc. I looked underneath it and it seems as though the rear drive wheels in each drive unit have worn through the black paint on the bottom of the floor. Has anyone noted this and is the train is shorting out because of this? What would loosen up the trucks such that there is much more play in the drive wheels (up and down motion, which uses the vertical drive shaft? as a pivot). I never had this problem before until I started going up and down grades with the GG-1. I then began to have problems with derailments (could actually see space between the four guide wheels in front of the drive wheels and the track) and this latest problem might be related. Any suggestions, comments, ideas???. Tx in advance!! Rance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9004	From: 355akoci	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9005	From: The Reis's	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9006	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Transformers

> I have never > needed more than one transformer (usually use a 12B or 30B) to run two trains (on > two tracks) and several accessories. Roger: Sounds like you're all set. Why get into what you don't need? The point of multi-transformer operation is individual speed control in the blocks. Blocks are sections of track IN THE SAME LOOP. The blocks are divided by insulated track pins so that a train moves from the control of one transformer to the control of another. Instead of two tracks, imagine that you make one big loop of track to run both trains. You split the loop into two electrical halves. Each half is controlled by a handle on your 30B. The 30B is two transformers IN PHASE. Each half of the loop is under one of the two throttles. The baseposts are common across both loops. The variable post rail has the insulating pins dividing the loop. The train moves smoothly between them with no loss or reverse unit cycling. Two to go around, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9007	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Digest Number 412

Convention Car? It certainly is great when the convention car has local roots, BUT it is also highly desirable to choose a car that could have been seen in service in any part of the country. That is the big downside with hopper cars. They did not wander the country nearly as much as most other cars did. Regarding the latest Dispatch; HATS OFF to anybody connected with the numerous good articles in this issue. It is the best issue I have seen in a long time. This level of contribution and quality is FUN, good for NASG, and good for S. If you know somebody who had input, but is not on the e-mail lists, please forward to them my thanks. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/index.html ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9008	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 697

>The 30B is two transformers IN PHASE. .................. Actually the 30B is one transformer with to variable taps. Gilbert did make a later transformer that was two 175 watt units in one case. Of course Classic Toy Trains announced that it was the largest wattage (350 watts) and the price immediately went up! If I remember correctly both the base post and fixed output of the 30B and others of that time have two sets of terminals fed from the same tap and have no chance of ever being out of phase. --- Nick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9009	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: The value/grading of items

Saw an ad in Classic Toy Trains, from a well known AF dealer, for a AF accessory selling for over $200.00. Can't remember what it was now, but the ad said excellent cond.,...but missing the roof. Now this is where I get lost, How can it be in excellent condition when it is missing things, Not just a little part, but the WHOLE roof!! Is it because the remaining parts are excellent?? I'm not trying to be picky here,...just want to know for future reference. Still learning about values, grading, and such. Thanks a lot!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9010	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] [Fwd: [S-Trains] AM GG1]

I have a AM GG-1, DC, scale and I looked underneath and my model also has rub marks above the rear drive wheels in each drive unit! Not a clue as to why! What's up? Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9011	From: dlich	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: grading

rick raises the interesting question...used to be that almost all sales were done at shows...........a fellow would be hard put to use the term excellent missing an important piece..............however were in the internet age and what you would walk by at a show and not even think twice about seems to make a lot more sense when its digitally enhanced and is in "excellent" condition "except" one can reasonablly argue that when you have to apply the word except that the word excellent should not have been used in the first place.....one mans opinion dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9012	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Axle problems

Hi - of course need some help! I have two axle problems. 1) on the trailing trucks on an AF Hudson (SIT), the axles are "too short"! If I move the wheels in to sit on the tracks, the axel falls out. I can bend the whole unit in to make the trailing truck narrower, but I would rather get longer axles to replace the short axles. Any suggestions where these are available or what can be used? 2) Some of the tender wheels (probably axles) are a little too loose in the side frame holes (probably holes are too large). I think the result is that the wheels short out on the bottom of the tender! Is there a bushing that I can use which would go into the sideframes such that the wheels wouldn't contact the underside of the tender? Tx for info. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9013	From: Scott Brown	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: MTH track trip

Doug, it's funny you left a post about the MTH infra red track trip. I just picked one up today and have been having a time getting it to work. Are there any tricks to it ? No matter how I set the sensitivity, it doesn't seem to work. I have the delay set to low and sometimes it might work for a second with the sensitivity set in the middle range. I'm tying to use it with the bell danger signal. Am I missing something ? Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9014	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: RAILWAY ADVENTURES ACROSS AUSTRALIA

"From the warm tropical waters of the Great Barrier Reef in far north Queensland, RAILWAY ADVENTURES ACROSS AUSTRALIA begins a journey through some of the most beautiful and historic country found in the island nation. The two-hour program airs on PBS Wednesday, July 26, 2000, 9:00 p.m. ET (check local listings). " http://www.pbs.org/whatson/press/summer/railway_australia.htm Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9015	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9016	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Royal Blue

I have a 350 Royal Blue that the shell rides low on the engine in the back. I have looked and can find nothing that seems to be missing on the engine or shell. I will admit that this engine I have had since I was (??) years old and has be taken appart many time to clean and service. Does anyone have any ideas?? clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9017	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Re: MRC transformer question #2

>There is no indication of a "base" post on MRC 027 transformers. Is there >any reason they can not be put in phase with each other or in phase with an >AF transformer? The base post is at one end of the transformer's secondary winding. The fixed voltage post is the other end of the winding. The variable post is attached to a wiper that samples voltages as it taps the winding. If the fixed output of the MRC is an A.C. output, turn the throtle all the way up. Voltage measurement between the variable and fixed terminals should be nil. The voltage to the "base" terminal should reach 18-30 volts from either of the other two. If the fixed voltage output is D.C., this test will be invalid. You may have to open the case to identify each terminal. Trial and error can get your transformers into phase, but it won't stop a "double reverse", where your plug is backwards and so is your secondary wiring. This means you will be moving throttle control from inside rail to outside rail. This will become a problem in a multi-block system. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9018	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

I forgot to add these to my last news release, so please forgive me. 548 ART wood reefer (10-48) Painted yellow, boxcar red ends & roof. Black underframe. Accurail, Tichy, Sunshine or Pacific Freight Enterprices kit. Has the MP red logo with blue background instead of white, along with the Wabash logo located on the other side of car. Black, red, white & blue graphics. (go up to the web page to see color drawing of car) 549 ART wood or steel reefer. (12-36 & 10-39) Painted yellow, boxcar red ends & roof. Black underframe. Accurail, Tichy, Sunshine or Pacific Freight Enterprices kit for the wood reefer. Intermountain or Walthers for the steel reefer kit. Black, red, white & blue graphics. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9019	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/22/2000
Subject: Royal Blue

There should be two stamped metal sort of 'L' shaped tabs attached to the inside of the boiler. These fit part way inside slots on little protrusions on either side of the chassis. Probably, either the protrusions have broken off the chassis, or the tabs are missing. If one of these is not the cause, then the loco is probably assembled incorrectly. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9020	From: S. C. Williamson	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: ITAD

Dave, More bad news. Please read my e-mail to MTH below. In callout 6 I meant to include that the RANGE and DELAY settings were changed from one extreme to the other on the additional tests. Sam Williamson ----- Original Message ----- From: S. C. Williamson To: service@... Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 4:27 PM Subject: ITAD I have just purchased your 40-1028 I. T. A. D. and it does not appear to working properly. The following was set up DELAY and RANGE pots were set in mid range Power 16.6 VAC applied via Aux Power Input Accessory used AF # 600 Crossing Gate. One side connected to Common Post other side connected to NO post (assume this is Normal Open in idle mode) Observations 1. The relay pulls up immediately upon application of power. Audible relay click from unit. 2. Crossing gate operated upon application of power in # 1 3. Gate remained down for ninety seconds it did not time out and release. When power was removed relay click again heard. 4. Gate was then connected to NC post (assume this is Normal Closed in idle mode) and power applied. 5. Crossing gate did not operate, otherwise results were same. 6. Test was repeated 2 additional times. There was no change. 7. Ohm meter check, power off, from common to NC post showed open. This result was not expected Same test from common to NO post showed open also. This result was expected 8. Unit became warm to touch during testing. Am I correct in assuming that this unit is defective and should be returned to the dealer or did I overlook something? Thank you for your help. Sam Williamson scwilliamson@... 804-740-1701 voice 804-740-1354 fax Movement of metal object or hand in from of IR window had no effect ; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9021	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Royal Blue

Thanks to all for the suggestions. My 350 engine is missing the 2 tabs in the back to hold the chassie up. Has anyone fixed this?? clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9022	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 697

>Actually the 30B is one transformer with to variable taps. Yes, Nick, and thanks for the clarification. It was important. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9023	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: The value/grading of items

>How can it be in excellent condition >when it is missing things, Not just a little part, but the WHOLE >roof!! Is it because the remaining parts are excellent?? Many sellers do this. Most, I believe, are being sincere. You are working from a grading definition of "Excellent". To be excellent, a piece would have to have all it's parts. If I showed you the door handle from a '34 Buick and said it was excellent, it very well might be, even though the Buick ain't attached. But if I showed you a '34 Buick that was missing door handles and claimed it was excellent, you'd say it was missing parts. In the eye of the seller, the part of the station he had was in excellent shape (clean, no scratches, paint good, undented.) It was just missing a roof. By TCA or other grading standards, that would drop the grading to maybe "Good". Frankly, I think I'd rather have a guy tell me that the item grades excellent except that it's missing a roof, than have him say it's "Good", and when I get it, I find out that the reason for the grade is not that it is a little rough, but that I'm missing a crucial part. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9024	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Royal Blue

Cliff, do you mean the tabs that go on the boiler are missing, or the tabs that are part of the chassis casting? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9025	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: steamer restoration

The Ace #4050 bushings are available from Downs Model Railroad, who advertise in S Gaugian. I believe Doug Peck also carries them. They are good for any type of S gauge truck with cast sides, not just tender trucks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9026	From: Peck	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH ITAD

<MTH infra red track trip. I just picked one up today and have been having a time getting it to work. Are there any tricks to it ? No matter how I set the sensitivity, it doesn't seem to work. I have the delay set to low and sometimes it might work for a second with the sensitivity set in the middle range. > Well---- I didn't try it out with a BDS, but I will do so. I used it with a Billboard Whistle, and it worked perfectly. There are TWO rotary settings----one for sensitivity (which is essentially how far away it will sense blockage, such as the wheels passing it. I found this to adjust between about 2" and 6" away. However, I don't see a great deal of use for this adjustment, if it's being used for something passing on the track. I suppose it would have more use for some other purpose unrelated to the track. The 2nd setting is for delay, and can be adjusted upward from 0 seconds. The 0 setting was in fact 0. I didn't actually time mine at the high setting, but I would estimate it was around 10 seconds. Mine worked perfectly, which is why I was so excited by its availability, and why I posted the note. As I stated, I did not wire mine to the rails at all. I used the non-rail mode. I don't see how that would make any difference, however. Someone else posted a note saying it would only work with MTH track.......it is true that it is manufactured with two prongs which plug into existing openings in MTH track-roadbed, thus assuring a track-power connection without having to wire it. However, by throwing the toggle switch on the unit, you bypass those contacts, and utilize two wire terminals on the side of the unit instead. That is what I did. In fact, I would take a razor-saw and simply slice off the projections for the MTH track.......eliminate them! Then the unit can be placed right next to your S track ! I opened the unit up first to make sure those tabs could be safely and easily sawed-off, without risking any sort of a short.......no problem. Now.....I'll try wiring it to a BDS or Xng Gate, and see what happens. Will re-post. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9027	From: Peck	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] tender axles

<I have two axle problems. 1) on the trailing trucks on an AF Hudson (SIT), the axles are "too short"! If I move the wheels in to sit on the tracks, the axel falls out. I can bend the whole unit in to make the trailing truck narrower, but I would rather get longer axles to replace the short axles. Any suggestions where these are available or what can be used? 2) Some of the tender wheels (probably axles) are a little too loose in the side frame holes (probably holes are too large). I think the result is that the wheels short out on the bottom of the tender! Is there a bushing that I can use which would go into the sideframes such that the wheels wouldn't contact the underside of the tender? Tx for info. > (1) Sounds to me like you have axles intended for link-coupler trucks.....they are shorter than KC truck axles. (2) Ace #4050 bearings are small brass inserts that can be slipped into the openings in truck sideframes, eliminating a lot of the sloppiness and play. They are only $1 for a package of 16. We stock them. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9028	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Royal Blue

Cliff, On the RB body, these tabs were held on by posts cast in the body, the posts were swagged over to hold the tabs on. To replace, get some tabs, drill out the body and insert some self-tapping screws in the holes. This should do the trick (I haven't actually preformed this task, but that's what it looks like will work to me. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9029	From: Mark Preman	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: 20% Off Sale Reminder

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9030	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 Time: 8:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9031	From: M.McConnell	Date: 7/23/2000
Subject: MRC027 power units

>Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:42:37 -0400 > From: david_horn@... >Subject: AM horn on all the time > >The horn on my AM GG1 blasted continuously whenever I gave it throttle from >an MRC 027 transformer. Any ideas why? Thanks. PS It ran OK on non-MRC >transformers. I've installed two MRC027 transformers on my layout, and overall I've been satisfied with their performance. I've noticed a few minor problems with them, however. 1. The maximum voltage for the accessories is only 14 volts. If your solenoid-based accessories, action rolling stock, etc are tuned, lubricated and up-to-snuff, things work very well. If not, you may have some reliability problems (ie, Moe & Joe lumber car will not be able to off-load the lumber - it sort of drops on the tracks under the car. The saw-mill workers will need a pay-raise to end the work slowdown, etc) 2. I've had problems with the AM Alco sound units (probably very similar to the GG1 unit). Try turning the unit around. The horn will work, but the bell will not respond to the control. It probably has to do with the pulsed AC signal that is used in the MRC unit. The pulse power gives you much better low-speed control of the engine, but obviously there is a down side. 3. There is another problem with the MRC027 pulse power. Any original Flyer engines that use the horn/whistle sound unit will continuously blow the horn when under power (ie 336, 375, etc.). That gets pretty old after a half-hour or so. >Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:56:42 -0400 > From: david_horn@... >Subject: MRC transformer question #2 > >There is no indication of a "base" post on MRC 027 transformers. Is there >any reason they can not be put in phase with each other or in phase with an >AF transformer? Is it simply trial and error until you have the right >combination of posts connected and plug orientation in the socket (i.e. >polarity) to get it right (i.e. minimal spark instead of a lot)? > I've tied both of my MRC units together on a common base with no ill effects. There are eight terminal screws on the side of the MRC unit. Terminals 3,4,5,6 are all common "base" posts. The remaining four are: 1 - 10VAC accessory voltage. 2 - Track 1 control voltage 7 - Track 2 control voltage 8 - 14VAC accessory voltage You can tie any of the four "base" connectors together to link the two transformers together. The AC power plugs use the wide/narrow paired blades, so it is a no-brainer to polarize the transformers - just plug 'em in! As I mentioned before, I've had fairly good luck with these power packs. The ability to start the engines and run them slow is much improved over the normal Gilbert transformers. Plus I have the ability to program in momentum effects for any particular engine. The sound controls will work with the Lionel Flyer and SHS sound units flawlessly, and with the AM units with some compromises.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9032	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: tender axles

Doug Pecks advice was: >Sounds to me like you have axles intended for link-coupler >trucks.....they are shorter than KC truck axles. But the question was: >on the trailing trucks on an AF Hudson (SIT), the axles are "too >short"! If I move the wheels in to sit on the tracks, the axel falls >out. I can bend the whole unit in to make the trailing truck narrower, >but I would rather get longer axles to replace the short axles. Doug: I don't think that the trailing trucks on a Hudson are affected by the type of couplers used on the tender. Hudson axles should all be the same throughout "S" gauge production. Yes? Two to go, CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9033	From: Frederick Raab	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Transformers in parallel

I completely concur with Chris Zizzo. Connect the base posts together as a common ground. Make sure the transformers are phased the same, but use each for a separate circuit (track section, group of accessories, etc.). Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9034	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: oddball armature - do you recognize it?

A couple of months ago I ordered a large (3/4") barrel commutator armature (bca) like was used in the 21115, 21130, etc from a parts dealer. When the unit arrived I saw it was bigger than a standard size bca (1/2") and put it away in my spare parts bin. However, when I went to use it this weekend I noticed it's not really big enough. It's shaft is 3/32" shorter than an original large-bca that I have to compare it to, and its segments are 5/32" short of a true 3/4". Bummer. However, it is larger than a standard size bca. Does anyone know what this "tweaner" sized armature was used in? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9035	From: Peck	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: tender axles

<<I don't think that the trailing trucks on a Hudson are affected by the type of couplers used on the tender. Hudson axles should all be the same throughout "S" gauge production. Yes? >> True....but my point was that I suspect someone may have replaced the wheelsets at some point without realizing they had used axles which were too short. I believe (I'll have to pull an engine off the shelf and verify) that the axles on the trailing-trucks were longer ("KC axles") even during the LC-years when freight-car axles were shorter. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9036	From: Peck	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Grading.

<<Frankly, I think I'd rather have a guy tell me that the item grades excellent except that it's missing a roof, than have him say it's "Good", and when I get it, I find out that the reason for the grade is not that it is a little rough, but that I'm missing a crucial part. >> I agree with Chris completely.....and this is the way I operate when grading/listing items FS. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9037	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Ace Bearings

>>> I have two axle problems. 1) on the trailing trucks on an AF Hudson (SIT). . . . 2) Some of the tender wheels (probably axles) are a little too loose in the side frame holes (probably holes are too large). >>> I don't have my Greenberg's Vol. I in front of me, so I'm unfamiliar with the type of trucks on an "AF Hudson (SIT)." But if it has sheet metal trucks on its tender, and not sintered-iron cast trucks, the Ace #4050 bearings will not fit into the elliptical axle hole of the sheet-metal truck. As Tom Jarcho pointed out, these bearings are designed for the round hole in CAST trucks. At least, that's been my experience. It depends on your tender. John Eichmann RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9038	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 697 switch controllers

You have two different controllers, controller which return to center are # 720A. Controllers which remain in thrown position are #720 (720 switches had a limit switch built into the switch to turn off power to then after being thrown, this didn't work very well, left the switch half thrown in some cases and was dropped,reissued as #720A. Jerry 77-11644 On 22 Jul 2000 08:44:02 -0000 S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > We do at www.supersig.com. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/14/_/494531/_/964255442/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 17 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Track Trips > From: "Peck" <portlines@...> > 2. Re: R/S > From: "Peck" <portlines@...> > 3. AC/DC & Ask Jeeves > From: Ktrdd@... > 4. Re: Stamping AF after repainting > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > 5. AM horn on all the time > From: david_horn@... > 6. Transformers > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > 7. Transformers in parallel > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > 8. digest 696 comments > From: "finerty, paul" <finerty_paul@...> > 9. R/C switch controllers > From: cbtrainnut@... > 10. MRC transformer question #2 > From: david_horn@... > 11. Re: Transformers and Sound > From: roberte613@... > 12. R/C switch controllers > From: jarcho@... > 13. DC and AF > From: "Dwight Lehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> > 14. AM GG1 > From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> > 15. Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > From: "355akoci" <355akoci@...> > 16. RE: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > From: "The Reis's" <finnhill@...> > 17. Re: Transformers > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:18:59 -0400 > From: "Peck" <portlines@...> > Subject: Re: Track Trips > > <Does anyone on this list use Lionel track trips (contactors), > triggered by > the weight of a passing train, with AF track? Are there any tricks > to > this? Doug, do I remember you saying that you carry the MTH > version? > > > I carry, and recommend the MTH TAD pressure-trip. Although made for > that > "larger gauge", it works fine under AF track as well.....can't see > any > reason it wouldn't work with Gargraves or even SHS track, as long as > it's > free to react to pressure above. The TAD is far more reliable than > the 697 > trips, and they retail for only $10. > > HOWEVER, just yesterday, I experimented with the new MTH InfraRed > trip, and > it is terrific! I have already ordered two cases of them! I won't > go into > all its details here, but essentially, it sits next to your track, > and when > its beam is reflected back by passing wheels, it activates the > circuit for > whatever accessory it is wired to.....Xng Lights, Signal Bridge, > Billboard > Whistle, etc. First reaction might be "what about the passing gaps > between > the wheels?" The nice feature of the IRTAD is that it has an > adjustment for > delay anywhere from 0-15 (I think) seconds. So for the Hiway > Flasher, you > set the delay to 0......for a Crossing Gate, set it higher, and not > only > will the gate stay down, but it will stay down for X seconds AFTER > the > caboose passes ! This is a terrific item which I plan to highly > recommend > henceforth. Retail price for the IRTAD is only $19.95.............. > how can > you complain about that! > We should have these in stock in 10 days or so, if anyone is > interested. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:22:13 -0400 > From: "Peck" <portlines@...> > Subject: Re: R/S > > <Unfortunately, if you want accurate type styles and sizes, these > won't > work. I > believe the stamps Doug sells are made from actual AF imprints that > have > been > scanned. The images are digitally enlarged and detail cleaned up, > and then > the > stamps are produced from the corrected image. I have quite a few of > these > stamps > and they make beautiful imprints> > > Almost correct..... Actually, photographs were taken of the actual > stampings > on the various engines, etc. The photos were then computerized, > enlarged, > "cleaned up, and then reduced back to original size. "Artwork" was > then > turned out from that end-result to produce the stamps. They are > perfect > reproductions of original stampings. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:30:16 EDT > From: Ktrdd@... > Subject: AC/DC & Ask Jeeves > > For list, > I throw my support for AC----Would "AC" want it any other way? > > Did 'American Flyer Train' search at web site: Ask Jeeves . Did > AC Gilbert > also. A little more hit on that name. Someone with computer savy > ought to > get this list keyed to Ask Jeeves along with a few other > mentionables about > S gauge. > > "Ask Jeeves" is an interesting place for those who haven't been > there. I > bet alot of train info could be found through Jeeves. > > JReddington > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:15:32 -0700 > From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> > Subject: Re: Stamping AF after repainting > > Tom, > Wasn't that "carve out of a potatoe"?? > S' > David "nyuck nyuck" D. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:42:37 -0400 > From: david_horn@... > Subject: AM horn on all the time > > The horn on my AM GG1 blasted continuously whenever I gave it > throttle from > an MRC 027 transformer. Any ideas why? Thanks. PS It ran OK on > non-MRC > transformers. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:20:22 -0400 > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > Subject: Transformers > > How does the ZW induce voltage spikes? > > It is a transformer with roller wipers. There really is nothing in > it to > cause spiking unless there is a poor or momentary contact situation > with the > rollers. In prime condition, a ZW should make no spikes. > > Anybody with real information on this, I would love to hear a > challenging > response. It might also be a good idea to raise this question on > the TCA > list, since those guys have a great deal more ZW experience and are > also > running modern electronics, including TMCC. > > There's another idea. Why not buy the transformer designed for > today's > trains, the new ZW. You could even install UCUBs and get full > command > control! > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:21:51 -0400 > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > Subject: Transformers in parallel > > Fritz sez: > >The reason for using identical transformers is to be sure they > output the > >same voltage. If you connect an older AF transformer with a 15 V > output in > >parallel with a newer one with a 16 V output, the 1 V difference in > the > >voltages sees a short circuit through the transformer windings and > causes > >a lot of current to circulate from one to the other. > > Fritz: > You gave some good advice in your post, but I think that the above > may get > confusing. > > The presumption is that the transformers will NOT be in parallel. > Since > only the base posts will be tied together, the type of transformer > and it's > voltage output becomes irrelevant. If this were not so, then you > could not > apply different voltages to each block of track with each > transformer wiper. > The only difference, as I pointed out in my earlier post, is that > when the > train moves into the smaller transformer's block, the transformer > might not > be up to the task of handling a train that the 30B in the last block > passed > on with ease. > > I recommend strongly against the practice of wiring multiple > transformers in > a true parallel. > No two transformers are exactly alike, especially 50 year old ones. > If you > accidentally get one plug out of phase you are in for a 4th. of July > moment. > Even in a correctly wired situation, heat will build, currents will > run > high, and strange effect can occur. Just don't do it. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:22:38 -0400 > From: "finerty, paul" <finerty_paul@...> > Subject: digest 696 comments > > > In addition to my AF layout I have an O gauge layout equipped with > MTH and > Williams products, both diesel and steam. Of course, I have way more > AF > stuff than O gauge stuff. All of the O gauge engines have solid > state > reverse units factory installed in them. One pair of loops is > powered by an > MTH Z-4000 and another pair is powered by a ZW. Personally I wish I > had > another Z-4000 instead of the ZW, but that's another conversation. > The solid > state reverse units in all the engines I run have worked absolutely > flawlessly every time, and have never failed. They work so well, and > we're > talking about several years of almost daily operation here, that I > am > thinking about dropping a couple of them into some of my AF > equipment. I'm > sick of the drum type reverse units sticking and not providing > reliable > operation. My thought is to put an electronic reverse unit inside > the tender > along with the mechanical unit. I just won't have the motor voltage > come out > of the mechanical unit. That way the clicking sound associated with > the drum > unit will still be present most of the time, but the voltage > switching will > be done by the electronic unit. Seems like the best idea for > guaranteed > operation, and most people will never be able to tell the > difference. > > One thing I can say I'm disappointed with is the reverse units in my > AM > Alco's though. I think they are OMS units, but I'm not positive. > There are > two separate units in the ABA set, one in each A unit. What happens > is that > one unit switches and the other doesn't, so the two A's end up > working > against each other. The QSI units in the MTH engines work much > better, so I > might replace the AM reverse units with QSI units. Being an > electronic > engineer I am of course biased, but to me solid state is the better > performer. Time will tell if they stand up to 40 years of wear and > tear. > > One other note: I have used the Lionel and MTH track trips that > activate > under the weight of a consist as it cruises over them. They work OK, > but not > great. The problem is you have to adjust the trip for the weight of > your > consist. Problem is, what happens if you put a smaller engine and > consist on > that track? The trip doesn't work any more. MTH has an interesting > product > that works on infrared beams to detect a train passing adjacent to > it. That > works really well. The problem with theirs is that you have to be > using MTH > track. Perhaps one of our S manufaturers will comeout with a similar > device > for use with AF, SHS, AM and other types of track....... > > > Paul Finerty > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:04:20 EDT > From: cbtrainnut@... > Subject: R/C switch controllers > > OK, here goes my AF inexperience raising it's ugly head. > I just bought 8 Switches for 24.95.( I won't say from where or who). > It also > came with a controller that is very different from my first > controller. My > first controller when switched will lock part of the lever in place > and allow > the rest of the handle to move freely between the two positions. The > latest 2 > controlers I have purchased, move into position and stay there.on > one switch > I was testing, it seem to keep the solenoid(sp?) activated. Of > course I know > this will burn up the Solenoid if kept on. My question is this, What > is the > difference in the way these two controllers work? How is the second > controller supposed to work? > I would go to frequently asked questions, but my computer is acting > up and > won't allow me to get on the www. Thanks in advance for the help. > Chris > Burger > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:56:42 -0400 > From: david_horn@... > Subject: MRC transformer question #2 > > There is no indication of a "base" post on MRC 027 transformers. Is > there > any reason they can not be put in phase with each other or in phase > with an > AF transformer? Is it simply trial and error until you have the > right > combination of posts connected and plug orientation in the socket > (i.e. > polarity) to get it right (i.e. minimal spark instead of a lot)? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:17:05 EDT > From: roberte613@... > Subject: Re: Transformers and Sound > > Just my 2-cents on the transformer discussion. I've got a hodgepodge > of > transfomers that I use; ZW, 17B, 30B, and a bunch of small accessory > only > power packs. I recently added an MTH Z-4000 with walk-around remote. > Once I > solved some difficulty with operating track-voltage-based > accessories > (courtesy of advice from some members of this list), I couldn't be > happier > with it. My AM Southern Crescent seems very happy, both running and > sound > operation, and my childhood 302AC seems to start more smoothly and > have more > pulling power than it had when I used some of the other power > supplies I > mentioned. > > I'll probably sell the ZW and if I need more power another Z4000 > seems like a > good candidate. > > Just my experience. > > Robert Ellis > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:42:40 -0400 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: R/C switch controllers > > CB: the controller that acts differently must be a very old one > made for > the first Flyer s gauge remote control switches -- the #720. These > had > contacts like Lionel turnouts that cut off the power to the > solenoids after > the switch was thrown. They were only made for a year or two, and > then > were replaced by the 720-A switches, which are the ones you know, > the > common ones. The 720 looks a lot different from the 720-A. You > should not > use the 720 controller with the 720-A switch because the switch > solenoids > will burn out. > > If you need switch controllers, you can modify the K-line O gauge > ones. > You have to cut a gap in the metal strip under the controller and > then > rewire it with Rainbow wire. I wrote about this in the Jan/Feb '96 > S > Gaugian Roundhouse. Lionel O Gauge switch controllers can be > modified in > the same way, but the K-line ones should be easire to find and > cheaper, > too. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:19:56 -0000 > From: "Dwight Lehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> > Subject: DC and AF > > I constructed a box which has bridge rectifiers, DPDT switches and a > > switch to alternate between AC & DC current for track power as > desired. I initially did this to be able to operate a 332 DC engine > > on all three main lines. I have found that on the AC engines the e > unit is much quieter using DC power. I also use DC for uncoupler > solonoids for the same reason. There are several volts lost through > > this system though. I have not experienced e - unit problems with > the exception of a 1947 322 which at low power will travel several > feet before engaging the next sequence. > > By the way, have any experienced a melt down from the heat of the > solonoid in a 977 action caboose as I did recently. Now I'm looking > > for a 977 shell! > > Dwight Lehnhoff > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:00:15 -0400 > From: "Velapoldi's" <velapo@...> > Subject: AM GG1 > > Hi All: > After saying about one month ago how great the GG-1 (Hi-rail, AC) > operated, nd that I have not had any problems (on the contrary, the > sounds and operation were terrific!), I am having major problems > with it > now just going around the tracks. I tried everything easy - > cleaning > wheels, track, etc. I looked underneath it and it seems as though > the > rear drive wheels in each drive unit have worn through the black > paint > on the bottom of the floor. Has anyone noted this and is the train > is > shorting out because of this? What would loosen up the trucks such > that > there is much more play in the drive wheels (up and down motion, > which > uses the vertical drive shaft? as a pivot). I never had this > problem > before until I started going up and down grades with the GG-1. I > then > began to have problems with derailments (could actually see space > between the four guide wheels in front of the drive wheels and the > track) and this latest problem might be related. Any suggestions, > comments, ideas???. Tx in advance!! > Rance > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:03:51 -0500 > From: "355akoci" <355akoci@...> > Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim & Sharon Garrigan <garri@...> > To: Stan & Sharon Koci <355akoci@...>; Shem Daugherty > <Daughouse@...>; Judy Mayotte <Jammayo@...>; Jan Miller > <jan@...>; Don Garrigan <dong@...>; Dianne > Gerhardson > <dianneg@...>; Darlene Hurley <hurley@...>; > Carter, > Betty <Betty.Carter@...> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven Tibbetts <sctibbetts@...> > > To: Al Trimels <al@...> > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:53 PM > > Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:22 PM > > > >> >Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >I am asking you all, begging > > > >> >you to please forward this email on > > > >> >to anyone and everyone. As > > > >> >most all of you know, I have a 5 year > > > >> >old daughter named Kelsey Brooke > > > >> >Jones. We are from Southern Minnesota. > > > >> >She has been missing since > > > >> >4pm Oct.11, 1999. The police were > > > >> >notified shortly after. If anyone > > > >> >anywhere knows anything, sees anything, > > > >> >please contact me if you have > > > >> >my number. The police don't > > > >> >recommend I put my number online, but you can > > > >> >contact the Police, a missing > > > >> >person report has been filed. > > > >> >I am including a picture of her. > > > >> >All prayers are appreciated!! > > > >> >I hope I have covered enough East Coast, > > > >> >Midwest, and West Coast > > > >> >people to spread out the search for this > > > >> >little girl. It only takes 2 seconds > > > >> >to "forward" this on, if it was your child, you would > > > >> >want all the help you could get. > > > >> >Please > > > >> >JAY & KAREN GILIO > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > <<image001.jpg>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:05:09 -0700 > From: "The Reis's" <finnhill@...> > Subject: RE: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > Doesn�t anybody ever check this stuff out before adding to the trash > email > ???? > > The following website and others deal with this sort of item. > > http://www.urbanlegends.com > > The following is specific to this item: > > http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/kbj.html > > > Synopsis > Kelsey Brooke Jones, a five year old girl, is missing in Minnesota. > See the plea here. <http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/xkbj.html> > Is it true? > Yes, it was true for about two hours. Kelsey Brooke Jones was found > and > returned to her mother about two hours after being reported missing. > Police located the child watching TV at a neighbor's house shortly > after > being notified by her mother. Unfortunately, someone had sent out > the plea > for help and it continues to circulate long after the child was > found. > > > Please check this stuff out before adding to the amount of everyones > email, > thank you.!!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: 355akoci [mailto:355akoci@...] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 4:04 PM > To: Tom & Julie Erhart; S-Trains@egroups.com; STANNJULIE@...; > Stan and > Margaret Koci; sally & mike; Roland; Ridout5@...; > ReedFlyer@...; > randy kaulbauk; pam jim; Melanie@Mark; Lisa; Linda Nicolay; kat bud > hargraves; karmen waters pa.; Joyce Arndt; John LaMartina; john > gatzke; Gary > & Nancy Christian; djtrains@...; Dick & joann; > ddesens@...; > darlene; Cindy Ellis; Buck; Bruce; bennie; amillsj1@... > Subject: [S-Trains] Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim & Sharon Garrigan <garri@...> > To: Stan & Sharon Koci <355akoci@...>; Shem Daugherty > <Daughouse@...>; Judy Mayotte <Jammayo@...>; Jan Miller > <jan@...>; Don Garrigan <dong@...>; Dianne > Gerhardson > <dianneg@...>; Darlene Hurley <hurley@...>; > Carter, > Betty <Betty.Carter@...> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 1:49 PM > Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steven Tibbetts <sctibbetts@...> > > To: Al Trimels <al@...> > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:53 PM > > Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:22 PM > > > >> >Subject: Fw: PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >I am asking you all, begging > > > >> >you to please forward this email on > > > >> >to anyone and everyone. As > > > >> >most all of you know, I have a 5 year > > > >> >old daughter named Kelsey Brooke > > > >> >Jones. We are from Southern Minnesota. > > > >> >She has been missing since > > > >> >4pm Oct.11, 1999. The police were > > > >> >notified shortly after. If anyone > > > >> >anywhere knows anything, sees anything, > > > >> >please contact me if you have > > > >> >my number. The police don't > > > >> >recommend I put my number online, but you can > > > >> >contact the Police, a missing > > > >> >person report has been filed. > > > >> >I am including a picture of her. > > > >> >All prayers are appreciated!! > > > >> >I hope I have covered enough East Coast, > > > >> >Midwest, and West Coast > > > >> >people to spread out the search for this > > > >> >little girl. It only takes 2 seconds > > > >> >to "forward" this on, if it was your child, you would > > > >> >want all the help you could get. > > > >> >Please > > > >> >JAY & KAREN GILIO > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > <<image001.jpg>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > _____ > > <http://click.egroups.com/1/4321/14/_/494531/_/964221012/> > <http://click.egroups.com/1/4321/14/_/494531/_/964221012/> > > _____ > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:38:08 -0400 > From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > Subject: Re: Transformers > > > > I have never > > needed more than one transformer (usually use a 12B or 30B) to run > two > trains (on > > two tracks) and several accessories. > > Roger: > Sounds like you're all set. Why get into what you don't need? > > The point of multi-transformer operation is individual speed control > in the > blocks. Blocks are sections of track IN THE SAME LOOP. The blocks > are > divided by insulated track pins so that a train moves from the > control of > one transformer to the control of another. Instead of two tracks, > imagine > that you make one big loop of track to run both trains. You split > the loop > into two electrical halves. Each half is controlled by a handle on > your > 30B. The 30B is two transformers IN PHASE. Each half of the loop > is under > one of the two throttles. The baseposts are common across both > loops. The > variable post rail has the insulating pins dividing the loop. The > train > moves smoothly between them with no loss or reverse unit cycling. > > Two to go around, > Chris Zizzo > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9039	From: pauljam@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: MTH IR track activation device

Doug and all, I was the one who said it was meant for MTH track. I didn't get around to trying to modify the unit to work on my AF layout yet, but that sounds like a great idea. I'll try cutting off the protruding tabs that connect to the MTH track. If that does it, I'm going to replace all my 'S' track trips with the MTH unit. Do you have any recommendations for anchoring the box in place on the layout? I have four of the ITAD's on my O gauge layout and they work great. I haven't had great luck with the weight activated types on my S layout so I'm looking forward to replacing them...... Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9040	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: things to do in new haven

i was looking thru some of my books yesterday and found some olde new haven photos. the (now )ella grasso boulevard with its trolleys, sculls, shells and lunts in the adjacent canal (which now features wrecked cars, dead refrigerators,etc.) and yale bowl in the background.american flyer trains probably were'nt even in chicago at the time of the photo! but a young a.c. gilbert could have been hawking his magic tricks and wire puzzles nearby.(anyone going to new haven for the show at scsu and unfamiliar with the area is advised NOT to go there at night-boulevard has a new generation of vendor)i would like to offer sight seeing and dining tipa to any flyeraholic going to the elmless city-just drop me an e-mail-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9041	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Transformer phasing & Hudson Tender

For interest, Info about the transformers very helpful--want to "throw this out there" for comment. Concur that AF dual power transformers are internally phased and base for both sides interconnected as one can see that upon opening the case. My question/thoughts: A little past "toying" convinced me to insulate both sides of the rails in all circumstances for the 3 trannnys I use. Why? Suspect that base return current was making strange return runs to home base depending where the train is on the layout. I think this oddity causes uneven current in one transformer and I suspect it ain't good. Dual insulate keeps the flow even and forces the return flow to go to the origin. I have no scientific basis to make this statement(?), but my transformers did the "talking"--if you care to listen to them. If anyone has trouble with multiple transformers, think about this. One dual transformer won't be a problem, but if you tie others to that, I feel the "base" return can do strange things as current seeks the shortest way back to wherever it's going? I discovered some time ago that I couldn't just swap wheel tender axles on a Hudson tender. So, the Hudson takes a longer axle for a cast truck--in my case. The originals are that lighter "bronze" looking pickup wheel? JReddington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9042	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/24/2000
Subject: Re: Grading.

> <<Frankly, I think I'd rather have a guy tell me that the item > grades excellent except that it's missing a roof, than have him say it's > "Good", and when I get it, I find out that the reason for the grade is not > that it is a little rough, but that I'm missing a crucial part. So far I have heard both sides of the coin,....the above statement does make sense. You know what you're gettin', If the seller DOES describe it as above, I can see no problem with being cheated or ripped off. But as someone else mentioned, when the word "EXCELLENT" is used, followed by a huge list of what is wrong with it.....Hmmmmm. Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9043	From: Peck	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH ITAD

<<I was the one who said it was meant for MTH track. I didn't get around to trying to modify the unit to work on my AF layout yet, but that sounds like a great idea. I'll try cutting off the protruding tabs that connect to the MTH track. If that does it, I'm going to replace all my 'S' track trips with the MTH unit. Do you have any recommendations for anchoring the box in place on the layout? I have four of the ITAD's on my O gauge layout and they work great. I haven't had great luck with the weight activated types on my S layout so I'm looking forward to replacing them...... >> My initial thought when I mount these on my own layout is to use Velcro "dots". That will secure them in place, but also allow for easy removal and placement elsewhere. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9044	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"

I need your advice since I have always been an "S" gauge A.F. person since I was a kid. Yesterday I received the Sept. edition of Classic Toy Trains, and read the article about American Flyer before S gauge. Ironically, right after I read the article, a friend called & said he new of a "tru-scale" O gauge A.F. set with a #565 engine for sale. He wondered if I were interested in it. Other than the article, I really have no very little about this scale & the interest in it. The article says collectors are getting more interested in this era right before the total change over to "S". Any thoughts on this subject & the value of this particular scale? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9045	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: MTH TAD Controller

I recommended the new MTH infrared TAD controller to Don Thompson about 3 months ago as a good type of activation device for a new line of S gauge signals and accessories. I do not know what timeline he is working under, but hopefully we will soon have our own S gauge infrared TAD controller. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9046	From: Michael Greene	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sale Barn

My memory is going, but thanks to whomever posted the tip on the ERTL closeouts at the the KB liquidation stores -- I was in Kittery Maine a couple of weeks ago and stopped at the Toy Liquidators store. They had a lot of the ERTL sets reduced drastically. The Train set was 14.99 and most things were less than that. Needless to say a few went into my trunk... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9047	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: Ace Bearings

John Eichmann said: >I'm unfamiliar with the type of trucks on an "AF Hudson (SIT)." But if it has sheet metal >trucks on its tender, and not sintered-iron cast trucks, the Ace #4050 bearings will not fit >into the elliptical axle hole of the sheet-metal truck. I don't believe that any Hudsons or Northerns manufactured in S-Gauge ever sported stamped tender trucks. They have been cast from the beginnings of S production. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9048	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 700

In a message dated 07/25/2000 6:43:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << (anyone going to new haven for the show at scsu and unfamiliar with the area is advised NOT to go there at night-boulevard has a new generation of vendor)i would like to offer sight seeing and dining tipa to any flyeraholic going to the elmless city-just drop me an e-mail-john marganski >> John and all attending the show in New Haven, please be aware the show has a new location. It is not at SCSU this year but at YALE UNIVERSITY's Payne Whitney Gym on Tower Parkway( Bigger and air-conditioned). You can obtain information and directions at our websit <A HREF="www.afstrains.com">AFSTrains .com</A>. Also note, New Haven has dangers like any city, but we have never had a problem in all the years we have lived here, even at night. Thank you to John for offering sight seeing adventures.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9049	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F."O"

If you are thinking that you might wnat to collect some AF O Gauge, ESPECIALLY the era right before the changeover to S, you should be aware of one important thing. ALL FLYER WHITE METAL FROM THAT ERA TENDS TO DISINTEGRATE. This has been well documented by Bob Tufts and others. It's so bad that if you try to remove one screw, the part the screw is in may turn to dust. It will break your heart. Boilers, cylinders, pilots, drive wheels, truck sideframes, whistle chambers all tend to warp, then buckle, then disintegrate. I say leave that stuff alone unless you are strictly a shelf collector, or really like suspense (and glue) Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9050	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: Ace Bearings

>>> Chris Zizzo wrote: I don't believe that any Hudsons or Northerns manufactured in S-Gauge ever sported stamped tender trucks. They have been cast from the beginnings of S production. >>> Thanks, Chris, and David, and others who responded. Of course, you're right. I confirmed it after I got home and checked my books. My main concern was to alert guys to the fact that the Ace bearings will not work in sheet-metal trucks, only in sintered-iron cast trucks with round axle holes. Some people may have gotten the mistaken impression that these bearings would solve axle-hole problems in ANY Flyer truck. That's what I thought when I bought a bunch of them years ago, and now I've got extra bearings in my "fixit" box. John Eichmann

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9051	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Fw: Transfers for Am Flyer 490 and 492 Alco Diesels

I wrote Tom Stolte at Oddballs Decals (below) regarding my 490/492. He referred me to Rail Graphics. Does anyone know where I can buy my own transfer paper, and then go to someone like Kinko's for typesetting? After all, the decals I need are simply lettering. --- Original Message ----- From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton To: oddballdecal@... Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 10:34 PM Subject: Transfers for Am Flyer 490 and 492 Alco Diesels Hello, I just bought a beautiful pair of Northern Pacific S-Gauge Alco's, with only one problem: A prior owner scraped off the words "Built By Gilbert", which are located above the engine numbers on both sides of the shell, near the back. There were a total of four transfers on this pair of engines. Is this something you could reproduce for me if I supplied an example of the typeface and point size? These transfers currently are not made by anyone that I am aware of. Thank you. It would really mean a lot to me if I could get these engines "whole" again. Steve Pendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9052	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Dry Transfers for NP 4909/492

I just got a beautiful set of Northern Pacific Alco's, but a prior owner scraped off the "Built By Gilbert" transfers, located above the engine numbers on both engines. Does anyone know of someone who could make a set of four transfers for me? Or, has Somme done their own. Can you buy the transfer paper? Could I go to Kinko's and get the type set? Any help would be appreciated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9053	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Parallel transformers?

Perhaps I am missing something, but why would anyone want to parallel AF transformers? I have several dual control transformers, and generally use them to control trains on a two-track mainline. However, if I were use single transformers I would use two of them separately, and not parallel them. The problems that might arise from mismatching or phasing differences with transformers just do not seem worth it. Also I find it disturbing to see acronyms with no definitions. Culld someone please define TAD and/or ITAD for me? As a technical writer I have always written so that if I needed to use acronyms the first time I used them I spelled them out and put the acronymm in parenthesis, thus Commander in Chief Naval Air Western Pacific would be backed by (CINCNAVAIRWESPAC). W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9054	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Transformers

- Greeting`S' - J Reddington has this matter just about right. A second transformer may be used without careful phasing by insulating both rails at the junction between track powered by one transformer and the section powered by a second, separate transformer. While something about a particular train may make a difference, the really critical matter is to have the trans- formers in phase. The phasing is reversed by rotating one line plug 180 degrees and plugging it back into the outlet. Should you want to exper- iment with phasing, connect the base terminals together, connect one accessory terminal to one side of a 28 V lamp, and the other accessory terminal to the other side of the lamp. [An AC voltmeter with a 50 V range may be substituted for the lamp.] Plug in one transformer and see the lamp glow weakly. [See meter indicate 15 V.] Plug in the second transformer and see the lamp go dark >transformers in phase< or go to full brightness >transformers out of phase<. {See meter indicate 0 V or 30 V.] Play this reverse-a-plug game several times to convince your- self. Enough has been said about not connecting track variable voltage terminals together. It is difficult to mechanically couple the handles together to produce exactly the same voltage at the track terminals for the two. And if one transformer wants to produce exactly 8 V while the other intends to produce 13 V, the two together will produce smoke (but no choo-choo). Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9055	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"

In a message dated 7/25/00 10:45:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jarcho@... writes: << ALL FLYER WHITE METAL FROM THAT ERA TENDS TO DISINTEGRATE. >> Well, not ALL. I do have the good fortune to have some great examples of diecast locos, freight cars and heavyweights in my collection, but you do have to be very careful to thoroughly inspect the piece in question before purchase. Given the passage of 60 years, if a sample of Gilbert prewar diecast was going to degrade, it has done so by now. It is still best to avoid handling and storage in VERY cold temperatures. Good examples will also tend to be more expensive than one might first anticipate. The sheet metal cars present no problems, of course. Collecting, maintaining, and operating Gilbert prewar is not for the faint of heart, but it is a doable challenge. Have fun looking! RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9056	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F. "O"

I have to repecctfully disagree with RB on this issue. Note I said respectfully; i don't want this to degenerate into a personal battle like there were a few of last year on this list. Where I disagree is with the statement, "Given the passage of 60 years, if a sample of Gilbert prewar diecast was going to degrade, it has done so by now. " In my experience this statement is not true. AF white metal O Gauge trains are capable of disintegrating at any time. A case in point: about 7 years aga a friend of mine bought a gorgeous heavy pacific loco. It was in perfect condition except for a little paint damage and rust on the running gear. The boiler was cast in two halves, and about two years ago when I saw it again, they had begun to buckle and separate. i last saw it a few months ago; the boiler halves had separated widely, the pilot had disintegrated, and so had the tender shell. And this loco had been in perfect condition only a few years ago. I have repaired every kind of train from N gauge Kato locos to standard gauge, including clockwork trains, Lionel, Hornby, Dublo, Marklin, prewar Flyer, the very earliest Ives, etc etc. I WILL NOT TOUCH A WHITE METAL FLYER O GAUGE LOCO. I've learned the hard way that it isn't worth it. As I said, that stuff will break your heart. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9057	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: A.F."O" disintigration and future of all S stuff

Hi all, Tis true, most prewar flyer does self-destruct. The metal they are cast from, commonly called "pot -metal" can crumble on it's own. The process varies depending on the humidity and temperature the object has been subject too, but is usually a difinitive event that will eventually happen no matter what. During WWII it was discovered that this was caused by minute impurities in the alloy. VERY MINUTE! Depending on quality control of the metal, it may be stable or unstable. The breakdown occures across the atomic grain lines of the metal. I have some 644 crane car bodies showing signs of this problem, so it's not just a pre-war problem. Probably these bodies were cast from metal with old castings dumped into the flask for remelt. Besides the pot metal problem, notice what is already happening to the early plastic bodies, and was noted when the items were new. The plastic was changed, but the "better" stuff still shrinks some. Notice all the problemw with loose steam loco driver tires. Even late production wheels are often found now to be loose. Locos I've owned since my childhood are now showing this problem! I'm afraid our wonderful toys are not going to last to be handed down many more generations. Wish I had a solution. Notice most passenger cars are having the problem that the bases are now longer than the cars, and the ends are starting to crack! Sorry for the bad news. Play 'em while ya got 'em! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9058	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parallel transformers?

Hmm, "CINCNAVAIRWESPAC" YOICKS!!!!! At some point the abbreviations become to unwieldy, yes??? Having just finished a census job, I now know how fond of these things government types are! (Gads, now there's bad sentence structure, before John E. posts me, "Yes, I know!"). For instance, the last project was abbreviated "CIFU" and we call it "Sea-foo" or "seafood" depending on our state of mind. Two pages of the supervisory manual are just for defining "abbreviations!" Back to work, this has been fun! Later! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9059	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Parallel transformers?

About prewar trains: I thought the trains with disintegrating metals was made only DURING the war (not before). Prewar stuff was OK as far as I know. The good metals were used for making military items. Good metal was not available for toys. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9060	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. "O"

In a message dated 7/25/00 4:04:14 PM, jarcho@... writes: << AF white metal O Gauge trains are capable of disintegrating at any time. A case in point: about 7 years ago a friend of mine bought a gorgeous heavy pacific loco. It was in perfect condition except for a little paint damage and rust on the running gear. The boiler was cast in two halves, and about two years ago when I saw it again, they had begun to buckle and separate. >> I am genuinely sorry to hear of your friend's experience. I take it that this is a 435 of "Chicago" Flyer design, but sold by Gilbert. The 435s (and 432s) with split boilers can have a barely perceptive warp, but otherwise appear whole for some period of time. This is a problem to look for with these engines. Interestingly, most observed 429s (a beautiful 0-6-0 switcher which is also a great runner) were built the same way but appear to not undergo the disintegration process -- different piece -- different production runs. Much prewar die-cast failure was associated with impurities that cause grain boundary segregation and metal expansion. One critical impurity was trace lead introduced by the recycling of painted diecast with traces of paint on them. Air-born lead from being in proximity to a painting operation would lead to the same result. The kinetics of grain boundary segregation in die cast alloys was well established by the end of W.W.II (It had to be!). This body of work suggests that your friend's problem may have started sooner than immediately obvious (or visible) to him. My 25 years as a practicing metallurgist has taught me never to comment on a part failure one has not observed, so without your friend's loco in hand, I won't. I have to agree with Tom to the extent that prewar die-cast needs to be approached with a great deal of caution. Lionel collectors chasing 700Es have known this for years. Perfect Dorfan engines are really scarce. Many postwar Flyer 344DCs have warped tender chassis, which is another example of the problem. Another problem to look for is disintegrating leading and trailing wheels, but the engines can be re-wheeled, which is a common chore for prewar trains regardless of make. Knowing what to look for in screening prewar diecast pieces IS a problem and, unfortunately, is not easily conveyed in a short e-mail. (hence, my caution: "Collecting, maintaining, and operating Gilbert prewar is not for the faint of heart, but it is a doable challenge."). I personally find the prewar Gilbert stuff fascinating and I am willing to run the risk -- and I have gotten away with it so far. Much accelerated progress was made in materials and engineering due to W.W.II. Consequently, the postwar period is a safer place to collect, operate, and maintain the objects of our affection. So, if you are interested in prewar Gilbert, as I am, PLEASE go slow and consult someone knowledgeable who has experience in collecting in this area. Thanks for listening. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9061	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: S Gauge Herald

I recently purchased an alomst complete set of Heralds. Here are some of the quick projects I have loaded to the web. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/herald/herald_index.html I plan on going pack and looking for longer articles. Any favorites? The 3 part circus train article looks pretty good.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9062	From: William Daughton	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Air Chime Whistle

I just wired up an air-chime whistle exactly according to the wiring diagram in my K-line AF Service Manual, and it is behaving rather strangely. The transformer does not operate the train at all, and when I push the chime button, the whistle sounds and power now goes to the track (but only while the button is depressed). What am I missing here. Bill Dr. Bill Daughton Director and Lockheed Martin Professor Lockheed Martin Engineering Management Program (303) 492-3076

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9063	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge Herald

Dear Paul, What a great resource. Maybe someday, all articles can be accessed like this. Don Thompson Paul Yorke wrote: > I recently purchased an alomst complete set of Heralds. > Here are some of the quick projects I have loaded to the web. > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/herald/herald_index.html > > I plan on going pack and looking for longer articles. Any favorites? > The 3 part circus train article looks pretty good. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9064	From: Bill Sandrus	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Chassie for An Alco

Hey "S"ers Does anyone out there have a duel motor Alco chassis for sale or trade for a single motor Alco:-( Dumb statement Hugh!!! If I get the dual motor Does any one want to Buy or trade for single motor chassis.Boy this is getting confusing [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9065	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E-Commerce

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9066	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E

>From: rbubeck327@... >To: jarcho@..., S-trains@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A.F. "O" >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:02:33 EDT > > >In a message dated 7/25/00 4:04:14 PM, jarcho@... writes: > ><< AF white metal O Gauge trains are capable of disintegrating at any time. >A case in point: about 7 years ago a friend of mine bought a gorgeous >heavy >pacific loco. It was in perfect condition except for a little paint damage >and rust on the running >gear. The boiler was cast in two halves, and about two years ago when I >saw it again, they had begun to buckle and separate. >> > >I am genuinely sorry to hear of your friend's experience. I take it that >this is a 435 of "Chicago" Flyer design, but sold by Gilbert. The 435s >(and >432s) with split boilers can have a barely perceptive warp, but otherwise >appear whole for some period of time. This is a problem to look for with >these engines. Interestingly, most observed 429s (a beautiful 0-6-0 >switcher which is also a great runner) were built the same way but appear >to >not undergo the disintegration process -- different piece -- different >production runs. > >Much prewar die-cast failure was associated with impurities that cause >grain >boundary segregation and metal expansion. One critical impurity was trace >lead introduced by the recycling of painted diecast with traces of paint on >them. Air-born lead from being in proximity to a painting operation would >lead to the same result. The kinetics of grain boundary segregation in die >cast alloys was well established by the end of W.W.II (It had to be!). >This >body of work suggests that your friend's problem may have started sooner >than >immediately obvious (or visible) to him. My 25 years as a practicing >metallurgist has taught me never to comment on a part failure one has not >observed, so without your friend's loco in hand, I won't. > >I have to agree with Tom to the extent that prewar die-cast needs to be >approached with a great deal of caution. Lionel collectors chasing 700Es >have known this for years. Perfect Dorfan engines are really scarce. Many >postwar Flyer 344DCs have warped tender chassis, which is another example >of >the problem. Another problem to look for is disintegrating leading and >trailing wheels, but the engines can be re-wheeled, which is a common chore >for prewar trains regardless of make. > >Knowing what to look for in screening prewar diecast pieces IS a problem >and, >unfortunately, is not easily conveyed in a short e-mail. (hence, my >caution: >"Collecting, maintaining, and operating Gilbert prewar is not for the faint >of heart, but it is a doable challenge."). I personally find the prewar >Gilbert stuff fascinating and I am willing to run the risk -- and I have >gotten away with it so far. Much accelerated progress was made in >materials >and engineering due to W.W.II. Consequently, the postwar period is a safer >place to collect, operate, and maintain the objects of our affection. So, >if >you are interested in prewar Gilbert, as I am, PLEASE go slow and consult >someone knowledgeable who has experience in collecting in this area. > >Thanks for listening. > >RB > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9067	From: joe micks	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: E-Commerce

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9068	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Acronyms

Sorry folks. Here are the acronyms: TAD = track activation device ITAD = infrared track activation device Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9069	From: Peck	Date: 7/25/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 701

<<Also I find it disturbing to see acronyms with no definitions. Culld someone please define TAD and/or ITAD for me? >> Sorry....I THOUGHT I had done so in the very first posting I made on this topic. TAD refers to the MTH "Track Activation Device"......a pressure track trip. ITAD is the MTH "Infrared Track Activation Device".....a non-pressure type trip. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9070	From: Bill Porter	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gauge Herald

Paul, Your note and the postings that support grade out at Excellent with no missing parts. I hope there will be more if this sort of thing in the future. Some of these items will be part of my railroad. Thanks, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> To: s-trains@egroups.com <s-trains@egroups.com> Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S Gauge Herald >I recently purchased an alomst complete set of Heralds. >Here are some of the quick projects I have loaded to the web. >http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/herald/herald_index.html > >I plan on going pack and looking for longer articles. Any favorites? >The 3 part circus train article looks pretty good. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9071	From: Scott Holm	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Air Chime Whistle

--- William Daughton <william.daughton@...> wrote: > I just wired up an air-chime whistle exactly according to the wiring > diagram in my K-line AF Service Manual, and it is behaving rather > strangely. The transformer does not operate the train at all, and > when I push the chime button, the whistle sounds and power now goes > to the track (but only while the button is depressed). When the vibrating vane is at rest (button not being pressed,) The contact on one of it's faces is supposed to make contact with a matching contact on the facing vane in order to supply track power when the button is not being pressed. The contact on the other side only makes contact with it's facing vane when the button is pushed and the vane is vibrating and in your case this is a good contact and you get power to the train then. These contacts usually have carbon buildup from the arcing and should be cleaned with a very fine grade sandpaper. In some cases the contacts might not be touching and this would require gentle bending of the vanes. To open the unit cut around the bottom and then use epoxy or superglue to reseal. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9072	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: O-gauge disintegration

- Greeting`S' - Thanks to RB for his discourse on trace impurities in pre-war diecast trains, AF and L. Most informative and well-worded. An enthusiastic train collector in Raleigh, NC, is also a metallurgist. On getting a very fine L Hiawatha, he stripped the boiler, then copper- plated it to seal against the intrusion of oxygen to which he attributed the unwanted, continuing crystal growth. The loco got a beautiful repaint and, seeing as few Hiawathas as I do, cannot be told from the original. I have heard that stripping the diecasting, then painting with genuine zinc chromate, will seal the surface against oxygen. Does anyone have comments on the efficacy of either of these techniques? Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9073	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: The Midshipment posting

Friends: Yesterday, someone posted an entirely irrelevant and inapproptiate item on this list. I received 5 versions of it. They were intermixed with fragments of the discussion we were having in such a way that it appeared as though I had signed, sent, or posted it. I did nothing of the kind. The title of this junk was Re: Midshipment@.... I had nothing to do with it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9074	From: john foley	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks For your information the folks who now own Downs Model Railroad's line are Manhiem Machine & Tool Co. INC. 139 Nevin Street Lancaster, Pa. 17603 717 295-4966 The line will be marketed under the Manhiem Name. Manheim will be running a special to introduce them selfs. So keep watching. John Foley VP NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9075	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]

...didn't know Crown models sold out....when did this happen. Now just waiting for Lionel to sell out <grin>... i hope they will sell it back to Richard Kuhn so we can get some American Flyer made again..... Wayne john foley wrote: > > Hi Folks > > For your information the folks who now own > Downs Model Railroad's line are > > Manhiem Machine & Tool Co. INC. > 139 Nevin Street > Lancaster, Pa. 17603 > 717 295-4966 > > The line will be marketed under the Manhiem Name. > Manheim will be running a special to introduce > them selfs. So keep watching. > > John Foley > VP NASG > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9076	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Thanks, Joe and Doug.

Thanks to Joe Haenn and Doug Peck for filling me in on the meaning of TAD and ITAD. Doug wrote that he thought he had spelled it out on his original post, but over the span of the last three months I have had three Big Blue hard drives and one notebook take a one-way trip to Boot Hill. That will surely empty out filled inboxes (not to mention bookmarks). I have had some prewar Flyer stuff over the years. I have three sets at present: a New York Central Hudson, a Reading Atlantic, and a Royal Blue. Thhe driver flanges on the Atlantic are working on disintegration, but the shell seems to be in good condition. Otherwise there is no evidence of disintegration among these trains. My dad's Pennsy K5 died that death probably due to many years of storage in my parents' basement. Of course, the absence of a problem is no guarantee that the problem does not exist. (Negatives can never really be proven.) Roger Hinds wrote that it was probably wartime production that was susceptible to disintegration. However, I really do not think that there was wartime production of frivolities such as electric trains. I spent my early childhood on the "homefront," and remember L's "cardboard" train sets of the time. I had a wooden train set for the duration that had a Norfolk and Western hopper car. (Sorry, that's all I remember.) Automobile production was stopped in February 1942, at least for domestic consumption. And many of the cars that were running in Decermber of 1941 were put on blocks in July of 1942, because tires, gasoline, and other vitals were rationed for the duration. Prewar potmetal had a tendency to fall apart, as present day owners of 30s cars can tell you. In humid areas, like eastern Pennsylvania, where I live, this is always a problem. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9077	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: unsubscribe til 8/6

Unsubscribe me until 8/6. At NASG convention. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9078	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O-gauge disintegration

In a message dated 7/26/00 10:24:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rtg@... writes: << An enthusiastic train collector in Raleigh, NC, is also a metallurgist. On getting a very fine L Hiawatha, he stripped the boiler, then copper-plated it to seal against the intrusion of oxygen to which he attributed the unwanted, continuing crystal growth. The loco got a beautiful repaint and, seeing as few Hiawathas as I do, cannot be told from the original. I have heard that stripping the diecasting, then painting with genuine zinc chromate, will seal the surface against oxygen. Does anyone have comments on the efficacy of either of these techniques? Cheer`S' Rhett George >> These treatments would help to limit the diffusion of oxygen into diecast and close off microcracks. Because oxygen is already dissolved in the metal to some degree, such a treatment would be a bit like "barring the door after the horse is out" (in so far oxygen is concerned). However, the more likely benefit would be as a moisture barrier, which would be worthwhile for preservation from the standpoint of limiting galvanic action at the grain boundaries in the metal. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9079	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: RShack sensor

I thought someone had mentioned a photo or infrared based sensor sold at RShack for TAD/ITAD (Train or track activated device) applications. I couldn't find one, so I wrote into RShack. Here's the reply I received. David, thank you for your email. Unfortunately, this is not an item that we offer at this time. Thank You, Christopher RadioShack Product Support Services CT/kk -----Consumer's Original Message----- > Originator: > From: David Horn > ========================== > Product Description=Do you have a photo or infrared based sensor such > that > when the beam/field is interrupted a relay gets thrown? > SKU Number= > Product Category= > Brand= > Model #= > ========================== > Question=see above product description. Thank you. > x=38 How well do AF 670's work? I've not used the 697 weight activated trips because of running a wide range of engines (weights) from 21155 Docksider to 336 Northern and my track is screwed down, but something that's current (670) or beam activated sounds better. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9080	From: jarcho@interport.net	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: AF 670 track trip

David, I have about a dozen #670's but I don't use them much. They absorb some of the track current and slow the train down while it is in the isolated zone. This effect varies, depending on the loco unvolved. Double motor diesels really slow down a lot. Sometimes it's enough to make the train stall in the zone, which is not good for the accessory solenoids. My automatic reverse loops, etc, do not work as well with 670's as they do with 697's. The best electromagnetic trips I have seen are made by Dallee Electronics. One of the wires to an isolated zone in the track is passed through a coil on the trip, and there is no current loss. i have never used them myself , only seen them on other peoples' layouts. There may be a downside to using them that I am not aware of. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9081	From: john foley	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains]

At 11:11 AM 07/26/2000 -0500, Wayne Broadhead wrote: >...didn't know Crown models sold out....when did this happen. Now >just waiting for Lionel to sell out <grin>... i hope they will sell it >back to Richard Kuhn so we can get some American Flyer made again..... > >Wayne Hi Wayne Not Crown, Down's Tank car Line mainly. John >john foley wrote: > > > > Hi Folks > > > > For your information the folks who now own > > Downs Model Railroad's line are > > > > Manhiem Machine & Tool Co. INC. > > 139 Nevin Street > > Lancaster, Pa. 17603 > > 717 295-4966 > > > > The line will be marketed under the Manhiem Name. > > Manheim will be running a special to introduce > > them selfs. So keep watching. > > > > John Foley > > VP NASG > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9082	From: Peck	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Downs

Sice I receive digest form, this may have already been posted, but..... Just received news today that Russ Downs has sold the company, as of July 22, to Manheim Machine & Tool Co, of Lancaster PA, operated by Marlin & Judith Becker. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9083	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: R/C for 720 A switches

Ok, I have 2 useless r/c I can't use. what is the best way to make a controller for all my 720 A switches? Is there anyway to make a switch similar to the 720 A controller that I could add lights with. Maybe using the control boxes I can' use , and using the light sockets in the box and adding some kind of momentary switch? I hope this makes some kind of sense. If it doesn't let me know and I'll try to reword my question. Thanks, Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9084	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/26/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] R/C for 720 A switches

Chris, It is probably easier to find the right controllers. Actually the ones you have are the rare ones, not many of them made. I have a set of the 720 switches, and if everything isn't "just right" the dang things throw half-way, and disconnectt the coils from the switch, so you can't "unthrow" the switch and try again, you just have to reach over and manually move the lever to move the points (can't just move the points by hand in the early switches). I imagine the re-design of these units was a high piority after they got out in the real world, and the complaints started pouring in. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9085	From: John	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Cast Pot metal train repairs

Well for what its worth I have a product that will repair your Pot metal cast A-F trains I have been a distributor for ten years for this product I am not carrying this Product now as it is available all over This product is J-B Weld see I know you new about it! But there are a couple of secrets that i know about it and because you guys and Gals have been very Helpfull to me on this list I will now return the Favour. First Note The Original J-B Weld is far superior to the Kwik Dry and you MUST use the ORIGINAL for this to work [yes it is available at auto Parts stores hardware stores Building supply stores] When you use J-B you mix 50/50 parts accuratly after the mix set aside for 15 min to SET-UP most important! file/sand or gouge the hole/ crack/wash with Lacquer Thinner or methyl hydrate can be used for cleanup the repair area it should be dry in about two or three min apply in the mixed set-up form to the holes or cracks <let dry over nite> you see the J-B original is slow Drying BUT it works on Pot Metal! One of the best Tricks with the J-B slow Dry is you can thin it down to any thickness you wish even to a paint consistencey so that you can PLATE your Engines on the Inside and even "Plate" the Stripped Shell to protect the metal and it is apply with a brush the same way you would apply your primer-coat You must make it thin so it will flow like paint and you use the Lacquer thinner as your thinner. Remember J-B weld is the strongest metal adhesive any where and it does NOT Conduct Electricity so don't make the mistake of repairing electrical stuff But it will adhere to anything and any thing will break before J-B does [common sense here] So that's it I hope it helps as it is truly a shame to see us lose a lot of those ole timer engines through metal fall-aparts Try J-B experiment with Enjoy Thanks John Denholm <jde> jde@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9086	From: Ted Larson	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Topo Maps

>>>>Topographical Maps of the Whole U.S.A. The World Wide Web's first topographical map to cover the whole United States is available at the interactive site hosted by a company called Maps a la Carte. If you're a hiker or mountaineer, you'll find it incredibly valuable to have a map that gives you details about the hills, dales, and mountains off the beaten track. http://www.topozone.com/ <<<< The above is from a Juno.com newsletter. The site is easy to use, so if any of you are hikers or mountaineers, give it a go. Hey, you don't s'pose this could be useful for railfans do ya? http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=43.0922&lon=-77.4042&s=25&size=m shows you where I do my train watching on the Water Level Route. My house is east of Lyndon Road and south of the canal. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9087	From: Roger Zuerlein	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Topo maps

Ted: A great site to just browse. Not to mention the value of planning your model right-of-way, scenery and back drops. Roger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9088	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 701

A.F. "O" disintegration problem. I have a number of "O" pieces, and have experienced some disintegration. If you can't detect any sign of disintegration by this time the unit is brobily sound. I have detected some disintegration in post war "S". Some A.F. "S" #390 diesel A & B units (plastic) have disintegrate. If the train in question looks sound, it probability is. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9089	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Thanks and Lionel Web Site

Thanks to all lick Jarcho, Peck, etal. I faithfully read your postings and advice and am always feel gratitude for same. I may start a Garden layout and hope to find some support from another venue but it does not seem likely that anything could be as good as you guys. Just saw something interesting on the Linonel site, they have a list of Gauges that Lionel has produced along with "other" gauges. No where does it list S-scale. It's a shame they can't join us instead of fighting us. The only non gilbert motive power on my layout is Lionel made S. Too bad, shooting themselves in the foot and taking ACs name with them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9090	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: More on Disintegration

Gerald's post reminded me, I have an Alco B unit, early model with motor truck chassis (one reason I bought it!) that the body has completely diintegraded in the middle, with the ends being very fragile, if you "fiddle" with them, they turn to flakes and powder. Interesting! Don't know what kind of life it's had, the metal parts aren't rusty, and they are going to be used to restore my NH Alcos which are missing their ladders! The truck chassis will be used to remotor another chassis, as these have no bearing wear! Then the body chassis will go under another B unit as soon as I pick up two stamped truck chassis. Now THERE'S a 'project box' job! Hmm, might use the fragile ends in a "wrecking yard" scene someday too. . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9091	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 7/27/2000
Subject: Re: SHS reefers

We unloaded the container full of our 40' wooden Billboard Reefers today and started to ship this afternoon. It will take us about 10 days to ship all those that have been ordered. Please be advised that all roadnames and roadnumbers of our reefers arrived. But, the unlettered Yellow and Orange, as well as the unpainted will come with our next container in August (The new PRR and GN rebuilt boxcars are in that container too!). All roadnames and roadnumbers are in stock, but some are getting low. Thank you to all of those who purchased early. Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9092	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Blue Mountain Hobbies Turntable??

Anyone have mailing information on the Diamond Scale company? Thanks, Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9093	From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Fw: 490/492 dry transfers

----- Original Message ----- From: Steve & Cathy Pendleton To: S-Ttains@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: 490/492 dry transfers Hi, I'll try again. There was communication on this list some time back about the Alps brand printer being used to make dry transfers. (I need the "Built By Gilbert" white lettering transfers for my Alco's. Does someone out there have one? I could send them the camera ready copy. thanks Steve Pendleton bestofbreed@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9094	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: C-D

Colin Duthie, who contributes to the TCA list, has several interesting web pages of his own. While browsing his site, I came across this ad for Cleveland Models (C-D), generally recognized as the originators of American S-gauge. The photos show trains with astonishing similarity to Gilbert S-gauge, enough to believe that ACG bought the C-D molds to produce their 3/16 line. If that were so, it would explain why some steam engine castings used in 3/16 O-prewar production appear to have details cut away that are restored when the trains were made in S. I always suspected from this physical evidence that ACG had developed the full designs in S and pre-released them with O chassis to wean the public slowly from 3-rail and to test the market. Now, it appears that ACG may have bought some of our favorite designs in toto as S gauge to begin with. If anyone has more on this, I'd love to hear it. Go to: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/8653/page8.html Let it download. It's a big, slow picture. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9095	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: 283 C&NW Engine Restoration

Several of you were kind enough to respond to my note regarding getting a 283 C&NW engine up and running again. Thanks! An additional question. I was able to get everything apart, still need to clean with alcohol. My main problem right now is the gearbox. The gears are locked, and will not move even with a little pressure by hand. This morning, before leaving for work, I tried WD-40 on the gears to no avail. Anything else I should do? Is there any way to get to the gears and loosen them up? Once again, thanks for all your help! Dan Boone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9096	From: john foley	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: Blue Mountain Hobbies Turntable??

At 07:43 AM 07/28/2000 -0400, TPDavis7@... wrote: >Anyone have mailing information on the Diamond Scale company? Thanks, Tom >Davis, Charlotte,NC Hi Tom This is the info. I have on Diamond P.O. Box 691 Oakridge, Oregon. 97463 John > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9097	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 283 C&NW Engine Restoration

Dan, Not certain of your problem. you should remove the armature. I think there is a FAQ on how to do this, but in short form, put finger over end of brush tube, slide cap off, with finger still in place. Slowly lift finger and release spring tension. Remove spring, do same to other side. Now unscrew the two screws that hold the brush tube/bearing end piece on. Lift off filed coil laminations (one unit). If the wheels are frozen, rotate armature counter clockwise to remove it. There should be at least one "spacer washer" either stuck to the armature, or to the chassis bearing--don't lose it! Now to free up wheels, remove all siderods, squirt some penetrant (like Kroil) in between the wheels and the frame, and wiggle the wheels to free them up. When you get them moving, apply more penetrant, or better yet, tuner cleaner and spin them some more to work out the "grunge" that is causing them to freeze. Afterwards, apply some good grade of lubricating oil. Reassemble, rotating the armature should turn the wheels now, but turning the wheels shouldn't do anything except move the armature back and forth (and, properly adjusted, not move it much!) (In other words; due to the worm drive design, you can't turn AF steam engine drive wheels). Let us know how the work progresses!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9098	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: 283 C&NW Engine Restoration

I recommend that your cleaning procedures include: 1) remove the brush housing, armature, field, smoke unit, piston, crank arm, connecting rods, and anything else you can disassemble from it (e.g. in the case of a split chassis model like 21085, drop the bottom half take out the three axle sets). 2) On the 283, all that should be left is the chassis with the three axle-driver sets in it, and the smoke unit gear on its post. 3) Put that chassis assembly in a bucket with a citrus degreaser in it straight up or with a little warm water. Scrub gently with a stiff nylon brush (a good one comes as a set with a brass and stainless steel brush at most Home Depots) including the smoke unit gear and the crown gear on the rear axle. Rinse, dry, if not completely satisfied. Fill a large (clean) jelly jar half way with 91% pure isoproply alcohol, place the chassis in that. Screw on the lid, shake (Gently!). Watch the gook dissolve. Remove, run a Q-tip moistened with alcohol through the forward armature bearing, dry it all off. Viola, in most cases you should have one gett'n ready for prime time chassis core. Be careful what you do with that jar of alcohol (e.g. not near flames, soldering irons, etc.) 4)Check to see if the smoke unit gear spins OK, it might chatter a little if you spin it fast because its so dry, but it should spin freely. (Wait 'til you hit it with a drop of Medium Labelle oil, weee). If not, the post it spins on might be too tight or loose. 5)Check to see if all the axles spin freely. The will also get oil later, but they shouldn't resist you at this point. 6)Clean all the gunk from both grooves on the armature shaft. 7)Assuming you've done everything else (e.g. replace worn brushes, springs, wires, cleaned segment gaps, comm faces, etc.)spread some Labelle TFE impregnated grease into the teeth of the crown gear, smoke unit gear and armature grooves, oil the smoke gear, and axles, then reassemble. You should be able to gently spin the armature and have it turn freeling in it "new" home. Slowly apply power from a transformer on your bench with the unit up in the air, so far OK?, turn it up - - weeee! Now onto the smoke unit.....body, etc. Hope that helps. "Don't accept anything less than fast, strong, smooth and smokey*." Dave *Unless of course it's 350, 353, etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9099	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 7/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 704

This is true, but on another page of their web site, where they are describing the scales that they produce now and their relative sizes, they do mention S and American Flyer specificly. > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:57:33 -0000 > From: "Joseph R. Craig" <gunrjoe@...> > Subject: Thanks and Lionel Web Site > > Thanks to all lick Jarcho, Peck, etal. I faithfully read your > postings and advice and am always feel gratitude for same. I may > start a Garden layout and hope to find some support from another > venue but it does not seem likely that anything could be as good as > you guys. Just saw something interesting on the Linonel site, they > have a list of Gauges that Lionel has produced along with "other" > gauges. No where does it list S-scale. It's a shame they can't join > us instead of fighting us. The only non gilbert motive power on my > layout is Lionel made S. Too bad, shooting themselves in the foot and > taking ACs name with them.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9100	From: William H Trefts	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Stuck 283

Greetings, In reading D. Boone's postings about trying to free-up his stuck 283, I wondered if he was trying to turn the wheels from the drive wheels, or from the armature. From the wheel end of the drive train, there is too great a resistance at the worm shaft to allow the wheels to turn, but if turned from the armature, they may turn. Something about gear ratios. The two answers I've read are great, and I plan to add them to my archive of "keepers". But sometimes we overlook the simple answer and try too hard. A friend of mine is referred to as someone not to ask what time it is -- Her reply would be a dissertation on how a watch is made. Hope the answer for you was this simple. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9101	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Locked gears?

Dan said: >My main problem right now is the gearbox. The gears are locked, and will not move even >with a little pressure by hand. Dan, Before we even discuss the possibility of locked up gears, let me ask a more basic question. Are you aware that this is a worm drive gearbox? As such, the driven pinion cannot be turned while it is engaged with the wormgear. To see if it will turn, spin only the motor commutator by hand. A small part of the commutator barrel protrudes below the black bakelite brush housing. Thumb the commutator around and the pinion and the drive wheels should slowly follow along. Sorry if this seems too basic, but sometimes even the greatest computer wizard forgets to plug the thing in to the wall outlet, and ends up disassembling his hard drive to find the problem. If after you try this, you find that the gears are indeed locked (very unusual in a Gilbert steamer), then take out the screws holding the brush housing and carefully, over a catch-all tray, remove the housing. Watch for bronzed carbon brushes, springs, and motor shaft thrust washers. Make a mental note of where everything came from. Lay the little parts out on a piece of paper so you can find them all later. Now, you can try backing out (unscrewing really) the whole motor shaft and commutator from the gearbox. Again, watch for thrust washers. If the gears really were locked, it would mean that the worm jumped the pinion and rode the outside of the gear. The shaft will likely be bent or the worm all chewed up; the same for the pinion. It would be difficult to remove. This is so unlikely that I only mention it as a possibility. If it is true, the motor and pinion must be replaced. If main bearings are destroyed, the engine is just for parts. If you find that after you remove a perfectly meshed, clean commutator, that the pinion (and the wheels) still won't turn, then the likely problem is the main side rods are jamming. The usual culprit here is a wheel that is out of quarter because it was disassembled by someone and incorrectly reassembled, or the splines on one of the axles have been so stripped as to allow a wheel to spin out of quarter. All of this is pretty unlikely, though. My vote is for the basic. Turn the motor commutator and see if the wheels go slowly round. Two to go (around), Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9102	From: busy-boy	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: C-D trains

Dave Dietz responded to my C-D query on the TCA mail list: >Their main business is . . . to sell blue prints and balsa. >Picture this, a old four story building, on the forth floor Is a very >old man (75) who still refers to his secretary as Mrs. Whatever and she's in >her 60's The place is covered in about 2" of dust and they think there in >1940 and still do business as usual. If they sell one print they are >excited, it's been a big day, they have something to do. Dave: Are you saying that this company is still in business??? Is it possible to buy all those S-gauge plans right from the source? What's the address? Lemme at 'em! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9103	From: Gale Hall	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: 283

Along with everything Chris said, and if you haven't taken the siderods off, you might check the crossheads and make sure they are long enough to remain in the guide holes, and have not jumped out and causing a major bind...maybe they are the wrong style for that engine or the frame is out of place and back farther than should be....or even wheels out of quarter will give you a major bind. You just have to start elminating possible problems, and remember AF engines won't roll like Lionel and Marx. gale hall ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9104	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: cleveland models

more about cleveland design/models: i don't know if the train prints are still available, but there is a good possibility that they are. cleveland still advertises in the flying model magazines for their aircraft kit plans, and the list is 100% of the old list(i'm not THAT old-but i was in flying models at the same time i started with trains) that my uncle ordered from in the late 50's. Mr. Packard, the cleveland founder, passed away two or so years ago, and his obit was recorded on this list(or the TCA list), as well as an AP news bite-cleveland was the first model company to be true scale oriented, and the c-d trains were the first "constant scale" model concept (Frog-Penguin 1/72 plastic models were only a year or 2 behind). the plans for cleveland aircraft are deemed worthy as documentation in scale aircraft model judging; the rail plans would no doubt be as well. it's comforting to know that somewhere in hobbydom there is still a torch-bearer(and his secretary)keeping the! sacred flame of scratch-building alive.-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9105	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 704

Old topo. maps. I have found old topo. maps useful to follow old abandon rail lines. maps are available from Map Sales Denver Federal Center ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9106	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9107	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.

Hi all, Anyone have a clue to where I might find one?? I believe they are out of print?? Thanks, Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9108	From: judy messinger	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Just curious?

Looking through K-Line's Service Manual, I see that they list the A.F. 336's forward speed at 11 rpms around a 140" oval track. Nothing else comes very close to that. 9 1/2 rpms is the next best. 9 rpms for most. A few at 8. I know that the 336 has a 3/4" motor but, so does several other locos. 9 1/2 is their best speed. I just wondered what the reason for this difference was. Perhaps someone could tell me. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9109	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Just curious?

Hi all, Interesting specification, as the 335 and K335 are to run at 9.5RPM forward, 9RPM backwards. Both tests are at 12 volts, and both not to draw more than 1.3amps. I suspect this is the pre-large motor specs, can anyone confirm? I also suspect the 11RPMs may be a fluke, although the other locos I test after repair do exceed the specs, or I go back over them again! Is there a chance your testing transformer is too small?? Just pondering S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9110	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: S -Scale figures

I just checked out the American Models site and found they have S- Scale figures. They look pretty good and most are priced at $3.95 each. I have a few Arttista figures and like those very much but they are limited to a small selection. Would like your input on the AM figures if any of you have some. Thanks!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9111	From: Mike Scherpenberg	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Need Help

Hi, I am a new member of the S-list and I am looking for some parts for my Gabe the Lamplighter. Really I can fix my problem by getting a new geared drum for RFG, but I hate to pay $20 for that little plastic part. The mechanical unit in the house is pretty bent up and the coil isn't in the best shape either. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a place I can replace the entire mechanical unit. If not, I can always get a new geared drum, but ideally I'd like to replace the entire unit. If anyone has any leads, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Also, I just got my new 1368 K-5 World Fair engine from American Models yesterday with their new wood sided cabooses. I just have to say that I was very pleased with it and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in S-scale! My next venture is getting my hands on S-Helpers track system and one of their cabooses. Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9112	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 7/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.

I have been looking for the Greenberg set book too. The only place I have seen this was on eBay, where unfortunately they go for over $100 ! A better choice might be the set book written by Robert J. Tufts, which is in print and has information about more sets than the Greenberg one had, and best of all, retails for a mere $15.00, and real bargain!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9113	From: joe micks	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Calculator!!!

Calculate you monthly income at http://www.zwallet.com/calculator.html?user=jai . Enjoy your earning. __________________________________________________________ Get Paid For Using Email at http://zwallet.com/join.html?user=jai ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9114	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: F units in Cleveland

Dick Kuepper sent me an interesting photo. F units in Cleveland. Maybe someone on the list knows the story. http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/FUnits.jpg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9115	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Trees

There is a GREAT series of articles on making trees, flowers, grass, etc starting in the Dec. 1999 Mainline Modeler. The photos show the techniques to be much better than using ground foam. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9116	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Stuck 283

I have found motors jammed by the screw that attaches the smoke piston lever working loose. If it unscrews slightly, it will hit the chassis casting and neither the wheels nor the motor will turn. It's an easy nutdriver fix after the body is removed. Look for the obvious first. When I was in the recording business, a service tech told me that the more he knew the less he looked for the obvious like "Is the machine plugged in?" He said he worked for two hours once before realizing that the recorder was not plugged into the wall AC power. This was the factory service tech. Nick Colleran

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9117	From: Peck	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gabe parts

We stock all the repro Gabe parts that exist, but the entire mechanism is NOT available....at least not at this time. Yes, the drum is $20.....but it is a good repro, and consider the value of the accessory you are using it in! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9118	From: David Dewey	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat tonite

HI all On my way to Grass Valley to celebrate Linda's Dad's 88 B-day. Hope to be back in time for chat--NO census work tonite! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9119	From: rwalton53@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Fwd: [S-Trains] Greenberg's guide to Flyer sets.

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9120	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, July 30, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9121	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: 'Stuck' 283

Hey, all! I want to thank all of you who responded to me regarding a 'stuck' gearbox on a 283 engine. I joined this list with the idea of picking up tips on how to get back up and running, and boy has it paid off! It looks like now if I am patient and willing to work a little, I should have a basic setup running real soon. Thanks again! I look forward to learning even more in the days ahead! Dan Boone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9122	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 7/30/2000
Subject: photos

http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/photondx.htm I started a page to show some of my favorite photos. The first entry is the Hi-Rail dump truck that I commented on a few weeks back. Ted Larson Minnesota Heartland Railroad - Eastern Division http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/index.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9123	From: William H Trefts	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Stuck 283

Reading Nick Colleran's response reminded me of another "stuck" engine I had. Someone had replaced the trailing truck shouldered screw with a regular machine screw so it was able to be screwed tightly against the commutator shaft successfully locking up the drive train. Backing off the screw slightly freed the engine and replacement with a correct shouldered screw solved the problem. Another case of something simple. Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9124	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Prototype S Parts

Howdy Friends For info on Prototype S Parts, send a large SASE to Ladd Houda 1608 Cottagewood Dr Brandon FL 33510 I am leaving for the NMRA/NASG Convention in the morning, and will be away from e-mail for a week. Back in the office on Aug 8. Hope to see many of you in San Jose... we will be in booths 693-694 near the S layouts. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9125	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: Re: C-D

Cris Zizzo wrote: > The photos show trains with astonishing similarity to Gilbert S-gauge, > enough to believe that ACG bought the C-D molds to produce their 3/16 line. > > > If that were so, it would explain why some steam engine castings used in > 3/16 O-prewar production appear to have details cut away that are restored > when the trains were made in S. I always suspected from this physical > evidence that ACG had developed the full designs in S and pre-released them > with O chassis to wean the public slowly from 3-rail and to test the market. > Now, it appears that ACG may have bought some of our favorite designs in > toto as S gauge to begin with. I'm no expert, but as I recall, in an interview Don Heimburger did about 10-15 years ago with C-D Models creator, Ed Packard, all of the train material were still in Ed's inventory back then. While ACG may have used C-D for inspiration, there would be nothing suitable for ACG to utilize, as trains from C-D Models were made of wood and cardstock. Boilers and domes for the locomotives were wood turnings and body components were embossed and decorated. I think some detail parts were cast metal. Powered locomotive kits had a zamak(?) frame and brass-rimmed driver castings. I own a C-D 4-6-0 from the late Tom Coughlin's railroad, and although it's a little rough around the edges from its years of service, it still runs fine and can be set on a contemporary model railroad setting with no apologies. Be seeing you, Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9126	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: AF Stockyard adjusting

Last night on S-Trains chat we talked about adjusting a stockyard. I just uploaded a diagram showing how. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/repair/stockyard.gif I realize that not all yards have a hex adjuster, and that some don't have an adjuster at all.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9127	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 7/31/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

550 NWX (North Western Refrigator Line Company) 40' wood reefer. (7-26) #series 6201 - 6700. Sides painted light grey. Ends & roof painted boxcar red. Black underframe. Westerfield kit #6602. Set will letter 1 car. has the NWX 3 color herald, red, white & black. Black & white lettering. 551 NWX 40' wood reefer. (6-54) #series 6201 - 6700. Sides painted CNW yellow & green. Ends & roof painted CNW green. Black underframe. Westerfield kit #6752. Set will letter 1 car. has the 3 color NWX herald, red white, & black. Dark green & yellow lettering. 552 NWX 40' wood reefer. (9-48) #series 8500 - 8999. Sides painted light grey. Ends & roof painted boxcar red. Black underframe. Westerfield kit #6702. Set will letter 1 car. Has the 3 color NWX 3 color herald, red, white & black. Black & white lettering. 553 CNW 3 bay covered hopper. (10-86) #series 435000 - 43584. Painted Zito yellow. Con-Cor kit. Set will letter 2 cars. Has the large CNW 3 color system herald. Black lettering. 554 CNW 3 bay covered hopper. (12-56) #series 95355 - 95474. Painted Zito yellow. Con-Cor kit. Set will letter 2 cars. has the large CNW black outline system herald. Black lettering. 555 CNW 3 bay covered hopper. (3-78) #series 95355 - 95474. Painted CNW green. Con-Cor kit. Set will letter 2 cars. has the large CNW 2 color system herald, black & yellow. Yellow lettering. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9128	From: Peck	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader

Here's a challenge for the electronics buffs that are reading----- A common problem with the 751 Log Loader is that it may lack enough "oomph" to lift that log upward and into the grasp of the carrier. Without the weight of a log on the lifter, it works fine, but it just can't lift that log! Can anything (a capacitor???) be inserted into the wiring between control button and lifter-solenoid to give it a boost???? Forgive my ignorance here, electricity and electronics is not my strong suit! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9129	From: S. C. Williamson	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader

Doug, Here are some suggestions for your 751 As you look at the front there is a coil under the housing on the right with a linkage going down into the base. First make sure you have at least 15 volts AC going into the coil when the green button is pushed. If the voltage is ok make sure the plunger and linkage are loose and easy moving. Any binding or sticky feeling may cause enough friction to slow or stop the lift. A common mistake I have seen is the use of an oil based lubricant in cylinder of a coil, this is a no no. The oil attracts and holds dust, this then turns to goo after a few weeks and binds things up. Teflon grease doesn't harden but it still attracts and holds dust. This is especially true with this unit because the plunger is exposed when idle. Clean the plunger with mineral spirits, dry and spray powered graphite into the cylinder. Then test. DO NOT spray WD-40 inside the coil or on the plunger to clean it. If this doesn't work disassemble the linkage, polish the plunger and lightly clean, no more than two or three strokes, the inside of the coil with a fine rat tail file to remove any rust that may have stuck to the walls. Clean out with a cotton swab, spray powered graphite into the cylinder, reassemble and test. If the lift still doesn't work the coil is probably damaged from over heating, age or the prior use of oil in the cylinder. Best thing in this case is to have the coil rewound or replace it. Questions for you. How can a 370 GP-7 be converted to KC? Parts and Price? Do you stock the ACE #4050 bearings for 6 wheel tender trucks? Price? Do you have a soft material for sit bellows? All that I can find is too stiff. Price?. Sam Williamson ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck <portlines@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 8:07 AM Subject: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader > Here's a challenge for the electronics buffs that are reading----- > A common problem with the 751 Log Loader is that it may lack enough "oomph" > to lift that log upward and into the grasp of the carrier. Without the > weight of a log on the lifter, it works fine, but it just can't lift that > log! > Can anything (a capacitor???) be inserted into the wiring between control > button and lifter-solenoid to give it a boost???? Forgive my ignorance > here, electricity and electronics is not my strong suit! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9130	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader

Sam gave very good suggestions. Elaborating on the polishing. Files may be too coarse (one reason he said to just use a few strokes), I prefer a number of other options. 1) Dremel tool with polishing pad and rogue (sp??) 2) small piece of doweling in a drill with some 600 grit wet-or-dry paper taped to it, and wrapped around it. (another option to taping is to put a slot in the dowel and slide the paper into the slot, then wrap it around the dowel) With either option, you work the tool in and out of the coil tube to achieve a polished surface without ridges that can hang the plunger. Clean out afterwards with non-lubricated tuner cleaner. These methods are goo for any AF coil that needs cleaning from bad lubrication, damp storage, or other calamaties. S' David D. PS Goin' to the convention Saturday & Sunday AM!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9131	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philadelphia!!

For those of you lucky enough to live near Philadelphia, till Friday you can go down to the Stadium Parking Lot where the Phillies and Flyers play and see 2 F9 units from 1955 in perfect restored condition as well as 18 other passenger cars, vista domes, diner cars baggage cars etc. Some of the cars names are, city of Denver, City of California, just to name a few, they are all big hitters though. This includes 3 observation cars all decked out in Presidential Garb. Real Historic stuff. They are down here for the National Republican Convention this week only!!!! To have west coast trains such as these on the East Coast is a once in a lifetime opportunity. They spiked track right into the Flyers parking lot where the passenger cars sit in 2 rows, the engines are at the corner of 10th and hartraft street with some baggage, mail and 2 diner cars behind the one. When I was taking pictures there Sunday there were plumes of smoke coming from the Dining cars as they were were cooking some great smelling steaks for the Convention Delegates. This really is like a moment from the past. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9132	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: new email address

Please note my new email address: jarcho@... Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9133	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Log loader boost

Hi Doug: Not having ever seen a log loader, nor studying the way it works, I can't directly answer your question. However, if you rectify applied ac, and then filter it, a filter capacitor will charge to the peak value (not the rms value) of the applied pulsating dc. The peak value is 1.414x the rms value. The rms value is what you see on a Gilbert transformer's panel meter, for example. So, if you start with 18 Vac applied from an ACG transformer, you'd see 25.45 Vdc at the output of an unloaded rectifier-plus-filter-capacitor arrangement. All you would need is a single diode and an electrolytic capacitor. This would comprise what's called a half-wave rectifier. Simplicity is the word. Now, if you apply this voltage, through a momentary pushbutton, to the log loader, it may very well provide the "oomph" you seek. The cap would discharge into the coil of the log loader, and the voltage at the output of the rectifier/filter will then drop, but probably not before the pulse is applied to the loader's mechanism. You can wire this up temporarily in a matter of minutes on your bench, and then test it to see if it works. If it does, you should be able to re-wire the feed to the log loader using the rectified and partially filtered dc. If you try it, let me know what you think. Or, stop by here with the loader and we'll give it a whirl on my workbench. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9134	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philade

"Restored F-9s" Well, cosmetically, yes, but mechanically they've been "hot-rodded" with all modern stuff, so that the UP mechanical department can fix 'em anywhere. In the car hobby, it's known as "resto-rod" (outside looks original, but everything else isn't). While it may be a "blast from the past" it isn't preservation, just adaptive utilization. Still classy looking, but as an historian, I tend to be "anal-retentive' about this subject! One thing that doesn't make sense, though, is that they still didn't air condtion the cabs! The poor crews still have to sweat it out on hot days! The steam crew is used to it, but the others. . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9135	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader

Hi again Doug: This is where the old adage that a picture-is-worth-a-thousand words comes in. First, select a good hefty power rectifier diode such as a 1N4000 or 1N4004. I would then start with a capacitor of about 100 uF or perhaps 500 uF (at 100 V). The larger cap will take longer to recharge upon discharge, but that shouldn't be a consideration for this one-shot application. Put the diode in series with the "hot" 18 V lead going to the accessory. Leave the "base" lead connection as you would normally connect it. Place the non-banded end (the anode) of the diode towards the transformer. Place the capacitor's plus side (the negative side is usually marked with a minus sign and/or an arrow, but sometimes the plus side is marked instead), from the cathode (banded end of diode) to the base lead. The circuit will then have an L configuration. One "output" lead (+) comes from the junction of the cathode of the diode and the plus side of the capacitor. The other lead is the common, or base. Turn on the ac and let everything "float." That is, nothing is connected to the two leads coming from the rectifier-cap combo. Now, briefly touch the leads to the log loader and "pulse" it to see how it works. With any luck, the 25 V charged capacitor will discharge into the log loader, dumping the 25 V stored charge and pulsing the log loader into mechnical operation. If it works, hook up a momentary pushbutton to the output of the rectifier-cap and you're all set. You may want to try more capacitance for more "oomph." You can always add more capacitance by paralleling another cap across the existing one. Observe polarity. So, for example, if you originally chose a 100 uF cap, you can add, say, a 200 uF at 100 V cap in parallel, and wind up with 300 uF at 100 V. Clear as mud? -- Alex -----Original Message----- From: Peck [mailto:portlines@...] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:58 AM To: amendelsohn@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 Log Loader <So, if you start with 18 Vac applied from an ACG transformer, you'd see 25.45 Vdc at the output of an unloaded rectifier-plus-filter-capacitor arrangement. All you would need is a single diode and an electrolytic capacitor. This would comprise what's called a half-wave rectifier. Simplicity is the word. > Somehow, I KNEW you'd have a response for me!!!! Thanks. I assume I can use Radio Shack parts. What do I need to know about the diode and capacitor when selecting them....since there are so many variations! And are they wired in series, prior to the solenoid that I'm trying to boost? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9136	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Gilbert Annual Year Book

In the bottom of a box of trains purchased from the flea market I found a "GILBERT YEAR BOOK" 1923 Edition 5 1/4" X 6 3/4" 96 pages, 9 subjects, Radio, magic, sports, chemistry and engineering, all subjects have with text and pictures. Have you seen this book before? do you have any idea how many years it was printed? Is it something the library may interested in? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9137	From: Joseph Haughney	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Heavyweights and other things.

Gentlemen: I have recently acquired some additional six hundred series heavyweights to go with my four heavyweights that I got when I was a kid. These heavyweights have link couplers and my heavyweights have knuckle which I put on in 1954 with AF conversion kits. My question is: Since heavyweights are so darn expensive what happens to value if I convert my 'new' ones to knucle couplers. I have been on this boad for a while and have never seen this question addressed. I know that you dont want to change if you dont have to but I'm an operator and would like to convert. But if not adviseable to convert does anyone have any kits to convert back to link?? Also my green and red heavyweights have cracks do to droppage. Anyone have any suggestions as to fillers and paint that I could use to minimize the damage. Received by AM 'Green' PRR World's Fair Engine. Looks great, runs great. My only disappointment is that the cab is not detailed. I guess I've seen to much O Guage which is a larger format where they do that sort of stuff. Finally, anyone have a recommendation on a good book which explains how best to wire up a layout. Serial and parallel always get me mixed up plus I would like to run a common ground whereever possible. I have reached a stage where i am putting down the homasote and laying (wood gluing) the track. I need to optiimize my connectivity since I hate crawling on my back under the platform for long periods of time. I do have a auto rack with wheels which does help but still its a reach. Anyway,, Thanks to anyone who can help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9138	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: 21156 dockside

Hi, Can anyone let me know if the 21156 came with a smoke unit Thanks in advance, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9139	From: rwalton53@aol.com	Date: 8/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 21156 dockside

There was no smoke or choo-choo on the 21156.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9140	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philadelphia!!

A little clairification about those UP "F9's." Actually, they're E8/E9 carbodies with GP38-2 prime movers and electricals. They look great just the same. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9141	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Phi

AAAH!! As Rich pointed out, Es, not Fs!! How'd I let that one get by?? Guess I'm not as picky as I thought I was! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9142	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in P h

Any Pictures out there??? Saw a quick shot on the tube last night. Pretty impressive! Thanks for the heads up. Ken -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:36 PM To: STrains; Rich Gajnak Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Philadelphia!! AAAH!! As Rich pointed out, Es, not Fs!! How'd I let that one get by?? Guess I'm not as picky as I thought I was! S' David D. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9143	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: New email address.

This is just a line to let everyone know that my email address is now euler@.... Thanks. W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9144	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars in Phi

Hi All, "Well the locomotives may be repowered, (sort of like Flyer by Lionel), but the cars would be worth the look. Too bad I'll not be up that way." I like that!! good comparison! Yes, the executive train is well worth the look. On the cars UP rebuilt, the upholstery has a pattern in it, and if you look at it closely, you can see "UP" in it. Pretty classy! On the excursions I worked, I was always impressed with the amount of care UP has put in these cars, and the crew they sent along to keep them running. I was with the Pacific Limited Group, and one reason (we thought) we were given preference over some other groups is that we took pains to keep the cars clean afterwards, even to the point of bringing vacuum cleaners in! (a little insight into the life of a car attendant, the excursion starts long before the train loads, and ends long afterwards too--spiff-up the car, check for amenities, lay out the "goodie bags" (which you spent an afternoon with others putting together), greet the passengers, then there's the 'during the ride' problem solving and making sure they're having a good time--which *can* be a blast too, depends on the event, and what problems show up during the day--then saying good by, making sure everyone has a way home, THEN cleaning out the trash, washing the bathrooms, "spiffing up" the car so it looks good for the next group. By then it's midnight and everyone in the crew hits the motel rooms, or boards the busses for the trip home.) Anyway, just wanted to say, YES, do go see the train, it's the pride of the UP fleet, and shows "streamline era" passenger train equipment at its best. Gee, I always needed a day or so to recover from working a trip, but I miss it! S' David D. PS On our way to San Jose Saturday!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9145	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: 751 Log Loader boost

From: Neil Holcomb WNHOLCOMB@... I had this problem with my 751 and solved it by placing a piece of cardboard, about 1/8 in. thick underneath the fork mechanism to move it upward. This seems to advance the action and require less oomph from the solenoid. Just have to be careful and not raise the fork too high and prevent the log from rolling onto it. Mine has worked fine eversince. Also this eliminates any "electrickery" changes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9146	From: Clifford Manning	Date: 8/2/2000
Subject: questions

I have a "bakelight" passenger car body (New Haven 650) that has a crack. What do you do to repair it? What is the fix for a loose rear driver on a A F 312? I have read your recommendations before, but am concerned that there may be some things I need to check before the super glue sets. Are there replacement rails for 702 switches available? I hate to tear apart a manual in good shape to fixe one that needs alot of work. If I want a new oil drum loader, is the Lionel a good fit for a American Flyer layout? To go along with the new MTH coal loader, which coal, gravel, etc. models would you add. I have seen some great models and pictures here, on the net, and S Gaugian. I saw at least one layout with a great match which looked to be Plasticville. I have a 24549 spotlight car with a cracked flat car body. Is there a fix other than replacement? I also am looking for models or complimentary buildings to go with stock yards. Any suggestions? I need a tender to go with a 21165 that I found in KC. Suggestions of where I can get one at an economical price? Thanks to everyone on the list. This is a great learning situation. clifma19@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9147	From: Peck	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions

<<I have a "bakelight" passenger car body (New Haven 650) that has a crack. What do you do to repair it? Luck! Glues do not adhere to bakelite.....unless someone else has found one that does. What is the fix for a loose rear driver on a A F 312? I have read your recommendations before, but am concerned that there may be some things I need to check before the super glue sets. Nope----just clean all the grease and oil out of the space, and then squeeze it all back together quickly. Are there replacement rails for 702 switches available? I hate to tear apart a manual in good shape to fixe one that needs alot of work. We have replacement straight rails, but not curved.......or remove rails from regular track; cut to fit. If I want a new oil drum loader, is the Lionel a good fit for a American Flyer layout? Perfect...the only difference is color, and the addition of the light. We still have two of these NIB units in stock, if anyone's looking. To go along with the new MTH coal loader, which coal, gravel, etc. models would you add. I have seen some great models and pictures here, on the net, and S Gaugian. I saw at least one layout with a great match which looked to be Plasticville. Lehigh Valley Models makes several wood kits, if you're into building kits. I need a tender to go with a 21165 that I found in KC. Suggestions of where I can get one at an economical price? We could mount a KC rear truck on a standard 21165 tender for you, if that's what you want. >> Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9148	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 751

Assuming it's a 751A with the solenoid below the deck, not above as with the 751, the recommendations for cleaning the solenoid and if necessary rewinding/replacing the coil match my experience as well. Honestly, I think if you ensure everything is as close to original working order as possible, you should find the the unit with 16 volts works fine without additional "boost". In fact, it'll act and sound as if it's about to throw each log through the roof. Two other easy/simple things to check for 1) good contact within the button/controller you're using to activate the lift - - obviously best way to test is to test with wires direct to the transformer posts (no controller). Sometimes the contacts in old buttons need cleaning/alignment/replacement to make reliable positive contact (I've found the DPDT center-off, spring-centered toggle switch at R-Shack to be a great controller for this and other accessories, wish they had a similar SPDT switch but they don't). 2) If your loader is mounted to a board covered in indoor/outdoor carpet it may settle after awhile into the carpet (~1/16" or so) the surface of the i/o carpet then interferes with the lift mechanism under the deck. This happened to mine. Mount the unit on thin (3/32") wood and it clears fine, works great. I hope yours is soon working well too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9149	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going to California n

I did not mention this to the group before, the trains are leaving Philadelphia Friday and Heading to Los Angeles California for the Democratic National Convention (DNC). You Left Coasters get to see it in action now. I would like to be the guy on his farm watching this train shoot by heading across the country like a piece of artwork in motion, How cool is that. It is a major blast from the past having one of these classics show its presence to Americans all along the rails. Heads will be turning. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9150	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions

Comments from roger in green. Peck wrote: > <<I have a "bakelight" passenger car body (New Haven 650) that has a > crack. What do you do to repair it? > Luck! Glues do not adhere to bakelite.....unless someone else has > found one > that does I sure hope someone has an answer to that question. > > > > What is the fix for a loose rear driver on a A F 312? Loose tire or loose wheel on the axle? I have drilled tires into the wheel and glued in a small plastic pin. I have been able to wrap tin foil around the axle and forced the wheel back on It has held for 20+ years so far. > > To go along with the new MTH coal loader, which coal, gravel, etc. > models would you add. Black fish tank gravel works great. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9151	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: UP Pass Train

Has anyone seen any pictures of the UP train while it is visiting Philly??? Ken Stoudt 610-481-5179 stoudtkr@... +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9152	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 2 union Pacific F9 units

Guys, guys! What kind of Flyer fans are you??? F units DON'T EXIST. The only REAL cab diesels are PA's. Don't get so excited. All the F units I ever saw ran on three rail track. There were the Lionel ones of course, and then I also saw the FL-9s on the New Haven's third rail trackage, and an occasional F on the NYC's West Side Freight Line, which also had a third rail. Told you so. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9153	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] questions

<< <> 650's were injection-molded of either polyacetates (early) or polystyrenes. These are themoplastics, not thermosets such as Bakelite. Although I have never had to repair a crack in one, I would start by trying cement for polystyrene model kits (e.g., Testers). Please apply sparingly and then carefully clamp the crack shut with a small model clamp, vise, etc. Stay tuned........alternate good suggestions may come from others on this board. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9154	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: (no subject)

UP Has a great website at http://www.uprr.com they tell about a Challenger http://www.uprr.com/uprr/notes/corpcomm/36aa.shtml being moved to LA. They have an amazing photo gallery. http://www.uprr.com/uprr/ffh/photos/ or you can buy a caboose http://www.uprr.com/uprr/business/forsale/buscars/cabooses.shtml Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9155	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 751 log loader

The 751 log loader as designed will lift the logs without any capacitors ( this is not a good application for a capacity discharge circuit ) or any thing else wired into it, check , the wiring ( physical condition & correctness) check the voltage to the coil (15 to 18 volts), has the coil been damaged? check the resistance of the coil, not more than 3 to 4 ohms, is the plunger and linkage clean and straight? if every thing is OK, it will work properly. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9156	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] link coupler to knuckle

Joseph Haughney: Converting 600 series cars to knuckle passenger car. ONLY convert the first car usually the # 660, it's quick and easy, save the link, pin and spring, for converting it back, if done proper, this will not reduce the value of your car (660 are common) and you will enjoy running some nice cars. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9157	From: 5fans@madscape.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: 26671 track trip

is this track trip used for any thing special thanks in advance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9158	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 26671 track trip

Nah, I'll give you the $3.50 express mail money to send it to me, just as a favor! It's used to sense the presence of a power load in a block, to turn on all sorts of things, throw a switch, a semaphore, crossing gate, etc. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9159	From: Glenn Sarlitto	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: New Theory Proposed on Casey Jones Wreck Photograph

I would like to invite those members who are interested in the Casey Jones story to join a new Yahoo club at: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/caseyjones One of the ongoing discussions pertains to a new theory concerning the famous wreck photo. A unique twist to the story and a keen look at this controversial photo lends itself for some interesting discussions. Many photos and past articles concerning the Casey Jones story are being uploaded daily, making for some interesting reading of ICRR history and folklore. I would especially like to invite those knowledgable about the ICRR at the turn of the century or who models after this era. Many members here at the S-trains eGroup have helped me throughout this year concerning my Vaughan Vignette ( a 16' model train layout in S gauge depicting Casey's wreck at Vaughan. I am about 20% completed with the deadline being late October 2000). S'incerely S'ubmitted, Glenn Sarlitto Milwaukee, WI

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9160	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 2 union Pacific F9 units

What about the 212XX's diesels? Aren't they F-9's? I am definitely not an E-X versus F-X diesel expert, and I know it's a little hard to put them into the same category as better quality ACG diesels like the PA's and Geeps, but they were Flyer. PS My 21210 actually runs pretty fast, quietly, smoothly, and pulls a fair amount without trouble, but it's so doggone tipsy that you can hardly run it past half-throttle without it tipping over in the turns.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9161	From: The Reis's	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heralds

Roger and S-Lists: I have gotten a few requests for this so here goes: The following is a list of the issues I have of the S-Gauge Herald Which I believe is the complete set. Please tell me if you find any others. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. S Gauge Herald Issues Vol 1 no. 1 Sept 60 2 Oct 60 3 Nov 60 4 Dec 60 5 and 6 Jan/Feb 60 Volume 1 issues are all all typewritten and copied 7 mar 60 8 apr 60 9 may 60 10 june 60 Vol 2 no 1 Fall 61 2 dec 61 3 jan 62 4 mar 62 Volume 3 and 4 same issues as volume 2 5 spring 62 6 summer 62 7 yearbook 62 Vol 5 no 1 fall 64 Vol 6 no. 1 jan 65 Has explanation of changing to volumes matching calendar year and first issue since 5,1. also 6 per year. 2 spring 65 3 summer 65 4 65 yearbook 5 fall 65 6 winter 65 volume 7 (1966) through 13 (1972) same as above Vol 14 no 1 jan/feb 73 Volume 14 changes to bimonthly named issues 2 mar/apr 73 3 may/jun 73 4 jul/aug 73 5 sep/oct 73 6 nov dec 73 volume 15 (1974) through volume 19 (1978) repeat the same volume 19 no. 6 has the info about it being the last issue. Volume 20 #1 july/august 1986 edited by Rollain Mercier Vol 20 #2 oct/ nov 86 Vol 20 #3 dec/jan 87 Vol 20 #5 april/may 87 I do have an issue that is tabloid size but haven't seen it lately, it is either 86 or 87. Eric Reis -----Original Message----- From: rogerpjr@... [mailto:rogerpjr@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 8:12 PM To: finnhill@... Subject: S Gauge Heralds Eric, I hope I am getting the right person here. Paul Yorke told me that you may be able to help me. Over the last couple of years I have been buying the S Gauge Heralds. I think I may have a complete set of them except for one that is a photocopy. Would you be able to tell me exactly how many there are supposed to be and how they are broken down by year? The way they numbered the volumes and issues is somewhat confusing, and I even found two different ones that were numbered the same. I really would like to see if I have the whole set. And if I don't, do you have any extras you would sell (or know anyone else who might)? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9162	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader

Doug Peck says: >the 751 Log Loader may lack enough "oomph" >to lift that log upward and into the grasp of the carrier. Without the >weight of a log on the lifter, it works fine, but it just can't lift that log! Doug: Try a bigger transformer. A tad higher voltage and larger current capacity will probably be all you need. Try a 30B or a ZW. If it still doesn't work, then I turn you over to the accessory mavens. Chris Z.

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Subject: internethelp/tools

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9164	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: UP cars

David: My aunt died and the funeral is Saturday. Late Friday night I will go through (around) Philly on the PA Pike (from the NJ Tpke) on my way to the funeral. My wife and my mother will be with me. Can I see them that night? How about Saturday in the late afternoon? How tough is it to find these yards? Thanks, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9165	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Heralds

Eric, Thanks for the effort in making your list. I have a few issues that you don't list and thought you and the group would like to know about them. Volume 1 1961 Yearbook (dated March 31, 1961 on letter enclosed with issue) Volume 20 #4 Feb/Mar 87 Volume 20 #6 No dates found Volume 21 #1 June 88 (large format - 11"x14") Volume 21 #2 Aug 88 (8 1/2"x11" landscape format) Looks like I am missing several issues, though. If anyone has the following they would sell, let me know. If anyone would want to at least provide me with copies of them, I would pay for the copies and postage. Volume 4 #3 (I have a copy of this, need original) Volume 17 #1, 2 and 6 Volume 20 # 1 and 2 I would also be glad to help out if anyone needs a few copies made as well. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9166	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] RE: S Gauge Heralds

Erick, Wow!! Great info! Many thanks! Now to find my 'Herald' boxes! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9167	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: U30B shells

Troops, Stout Auctions has had some custome painted U30B shells on what appear to be 370 & 371 frames. Are these shells still available and from where? John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9168	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gauge Heralds

Don' feel bad, at least you received a copy of the "NEW" Herald. I paid my $22.00 and received nothing. I wonder what ever happened to the "editor"? Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9169	From: Ken Sunderland	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gauge Heralds

PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE KENCPA1@... FROM THESE GROUPS! THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: TPDavis7@... <TPDavis7@...> To: rhoffman@... <rhoffman@...>; S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com>; S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] Re: S Gauge Heralds >Don' feel bad, at least you received a copy of the "NEW" Herald. I paid my >$22.00 and received nothing. I wonder what ever happened to the "editor"? > Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9170	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: code 172, N S, New Track and Switches

I'm using Code 172 and loving it. Just waiting for the New switches. The S-27, left & rights, that is. Should be this year. I run A/C & D.C. Check out the switches,on: http://trainweb.com/crocon/strack.html Reggie at Lamanda Park Santa Fe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9171	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/4/2000
Subject: Re: S Gauge Herald issues

Two that I have that are not yet mentioned are: Vol. 21, #3 Oct. 88 (landscape format) Vol. 22, #1 Oct. 94 (normal format, mostly recycled articles) I also have a 1987 Herald calendar. Bill Frazier ------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 8/4/00 5:21:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Message: 19 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:17:32 -0600 From: "Roger V. Petrella Jr." <rogerpjr@...> Subject: Re: S Gauge Heralds Eric, Thanks for the effort in making your list. I have a few issues that you don't list and thought you and the group would like to know about them. Volume 1 1961 Yearbook (dated March 31, 1961 on letter enclosed with issue) Volume 20 #4 Feb/Mar 87 Volume 20 #6 No dates found Volume 21 #1 June 88 (large format - 11"x14") Volume 21 #2 Aug 88 (8 1/2"x11" landscape format) Looks like I am missing several issues, though. If anyone has the following they would sell, let me know. If anyone would want to at least provide me with copies of them, I would pay for the copies and postage. Volume 4 #3 (I have a copy of this, need original) Volume 17 #1, 2 and 6 Volume 20 # 1 and 2 I would also be glad to help out if anyone needs a few copies made as well. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9172	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going

Hi There, Does anyone know of the intended route for these trains and maybe the timing? Could be useful for us spotters-especially today & Sunday. I myself cross the main UP line twice a day and a coworker's backyard fronts that line- he's interested-but our region seems unlikely? JReddington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9173	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 2 Union Pacific F9 units W/Passenger cars Going

Does anyone have a "Z" gauge train they want to dispose of? It is for a museum display. Our main display is and always will be "S" trains. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9174	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: AF Steamer Restoration--Engine stalls

Hi there, Past posts referenced AF steamer engines that stutter; stop and just behave badly--specifically wiring suspect between tender and engine--so called E unit tripping. Did an experiment and the outcome was a vast improvement for my Hudson. Take a look at your tender-- Rivots fastening trucks to its body carry current from the wheels to wires soldered within. I think loose rivots; dull metal and/or poor contact adds to the mystery/misery of momentary breaks for tenders, especially cast ones? The bottom of the rivot fastens to pickup foil. (My tender also has a foil "pick-up shoe" inside the tender--rear truck). I soldered a flex wire directly to the pickup foil spanning the wheel axle and routed it through a convenient hole above the truck into the tender--soldered it to a fixed connection inside--what a running improvement! Only did the rear truck and that seemed to do it! Check for truck binding--when done. This is one idea for cast tenders that stall in turns and across switches? I ran my Hudson after for 5 minutes--not one stall. JReddington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9175	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: small smoke unit

Has anyone on list ever replaced the wick and coil in one of the smaller smoke units found in the Frontiersman locos? Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9176	From: James C. Knight	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: S-Helper Billboard Reefers

I received my SHS billboard reefers a couple of days ago, and all I can say to Don and Robin, et.al., is "Thank you" and "Congratulations" on a job very well done. They are exquisite - genuine works of art. Keep up the great work. Jim Knight

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9177	From: Scott Perry	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers

Oh, great. More stuff I HAVE to buy.... :) Scott Perry S is Best, Keep it in the Family >From: "James C. Knight" <jcknight@...> >Reply-To: jcknight@... >To: S-Trains@egroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers >Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:32:35 -0400 > >I received my SHS billboard reefers a couple of days ago, and all I can >say to Don and Robin, et.al., is "Thank you" and "Congratulations" on a >job very well done. They are exquisite - genuine works of art. Keep up >the great work. > >Jim Knight > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9178	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 6, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9179	From: John	Date: 8/5/2000
Subject: Loco Shell

Hi All;<jde here> My friend and I have started to put a Project to-gether and we need a Loco shell for the completion and it looks like it's going to be just great Ill let you all know how it works and how to do it when finished . [I am really exited about this one] What we need is a Loco Shell just one? Please :) any of the following Shell Numbers will work. A-F Loco shell #332 #332AC #335 #K335 or #336 If any one on the list can spare a shell please E-mail me the costs and I will send a International Money Order in U.S. Funds Plus the shipping of course. My E-mail address is jde@... Thanks for the read much appreciated <John> This is for David Dewey and Tom Jarcho Do you Guys remember our project The bell Tender well you were right it would not fit in a Tender But I found a Car that it did fit in and we installed it in a Bay-side Caboose with power and room to spare and we chopped of the lever replaced with a small switch and it works just great and I can hook up to any train and the sound and speed is right on. Give it a try it really works and is a nice addition to any Flyer layout. Thanks for the advice and help it really did help us through <John> jde@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9180	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers

I'll second that. Dave :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James C. Knight" <jcknight@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers > I received my SHS billboard reefers a couple of days ago, and all I can > say to Don and Robin, et.al., is "Thank you" and "Congratulations" on a > job very well done. They are exquisite - genuine works of art. Keep up > the great work. > > Jim Knight > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9181	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers

I just received mine, and absolutely agree. Great work! At 07:49 PM 8/5/00 +0000, Scott Perry wrote: >Oh, great. More stuff I HAVE to buy.... :) > >Scott Perry >S is Best, Keep it in the Family > > > >From: "James C. Knight" <jcknight@...> > >Reply-To: jcknight@... > >To: S-Trains@egroups.com > >Subject: [S-Trains] S-Helper Billboard Reefers > >Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:32:35 -0400 > > > >I received my SHS billboard reefers a couple of days ago, and all I can > >say to Don and Robin, et.al., is "Thank you" and "Congratulations" on a > >job very well done. They are exquisite - genuine works of art. Keep up > >the great work. > > > >Jim Knight > > > > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > >s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9182	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.

Did anyone else see on the latest toytrain onelist that the Cubs had a "Lionel Day" and gave out a 1/64 Hudson and Tender to first 10,000. The author , sounding disgusted, wondered if anyone tossed their "gift" in the trash but speculated that a real Cubs fan would keep it as it has the CUBS logo on the tender. What did they give away and is it worth seeking. Why was it 1/64??? Joe Craig in Chicago.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9183	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.

At 01:35 PM 8/6/2000 +0000, Joseph R. Craig wrote: >Did anyone else see on the latest toytrain onelist that the Cubs had >a "Lionel Day" and gave out a 1/64 Hudson and Tender to first 10,000. >The author , sounding disgusted, wondered if anyone tossed >their "gift" in the trash but speculated that a real Cubs fan would >keep it as it has the CUBS logo on the tender. What did they give >away and is it worth seeking. Why was it 1/64??? Joe Craig in Chicago. I would find this very surprising -- but could imagine it was their 1/120 line of static models...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9184	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.

On 8/6/00 9:44 AM, Michael Greene, mgreene@..., said: >At 01:35 PM 8/6/2000 +0000, Joseph R. Craig wrote: >>Did anyone else see on the latest toytrain onelist that the Cubs had >>a "Lionel Day" and gave out a 1/64 Hudson and Tender to first 10,000. > >I would find this very surprising -- but could imagine it was their 1/120 >line of static models... In June of this year I was in Gatlinburg TN and at one of the many tourist "supply" shops there were several Lionel resin-cast engines in what appeared to be 1/64th. These all had music "boxes" and were priced accordingly. I would not be surprised if they did something cheaper as a give-away. BTW, the music had nothing to do with the road name, and the paint jobs were bad. I passed on the opportunity. Mic

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9185	From: dlich	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: tt scale

ok guys.............do we need a light bulb here!!.........their is minimal being produced in us prototype...............but lionel decides to do static models in this size ....an interesting choice.................with their pricing structure maybe they feel they couldnt be competitve in n....but if they commit to us protos in tt they would have the market and most of the enginering work done for the static models??.............het what a thought dennis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9186	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 6, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9187	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/6/2000
Subject: San Jose Convention Report

For those unable to attend the NMRA/NASG Conventions in San Jose this past week, here's a short report from my visit. (For those who saw the short note I posted earlier in response to Ken Z.'s e'mail, my apologies in advance for the duplicate pieces. I've included some pieces of that here, in order to provide a bit more complete view.) I was in San Jose until about 7pm on Friday night. First let me say that I was unable to attend either of the S scale tours, due to other commitments at the same time (including work and the NMRA DCC Technical Meeting). I was really sorry to miss these. I hope others might post a recap of the tours. Also I had to leave town before the NASG Swap-meet and NASG Auction on Friday night, and the NASG Breakfast this morning. So again I hope others might post an update from those activities. Here are some notes (in NO particular order) Sunday self-touring -------------------- I arrived in San Jose on Sat July 29. Sunday I spent time doing some local tours thanks to Mark Gurries, a local modeler. We got in a visit to the Santa Clara depot, which includes a RR museum, operating HO & N scale layouts, commuter rail, through freights, and a visit, tour and in-depth explanation of the Santa Clara Interlocking Tower. The tower is one of the last of it's kind from the SP, and is in the process of being restored by the local historical railroad society. After a quick lunch we headed over to Rick Fortin's HO layout. You may have seen Rick's railroad written up in the model railroad press, and/or his series of articles on hand laying track & switches. If you've ever thought of hand laying track, I believe a visit to Rick's layout will definitely convince you -- the beauty of the track work is simply amazing! You can find more on Rick's railroad (Sierra Western & Santa Fe RR) on his web site at: http://www.lwmweb.com/sw&sf/ Clinics -------- There were a number of good clinics at the convention. Among the S scale related clinics I attended were Roger Nulton's clinic on assembling Pacific Rail Shops kits and Ed Loizeaux's Considering S Scale? clinic Due to other commitments, I missed Gil Hulin's clinic on S Scale Loads. Both clinics I attended had good handouts -- perhaps the clinicians will make them available to others via hardcopy or on the web. In addition there were several excellent non scale specific clinics I attended (and some I did not make it to), including Steel Benchwork, Nano Animation for under $10, ProTrak, Layout Planning with John Armstrong, and quite a few others including a number of DCC clinics. I also attended the 1/2 day clinic presented by KAM Industries on Computer Dispatcher Pro. KAM Industries (http://www.kamind.com) was a major sponsor at the convention, with every convention attendee getting a canvas totebag and a CD with demo software. In addition, on Monday they did a full bore effort, the likes of what you would expect from Microsoft, or one of the big marketing-savvy companies. On Monday they sponsored three 1/2 day clinics on Computer Dispatcher Pro. This is the software use by 21 Class 1 Railroads for dispatching today. They've got it running on a Windows PC, and interfaced to the major DCC systems. Now you can dispatch on your railroad using the same software the pros use. For the clinics, they accepted 48 people in each clinic, and had a fully equipped seminar room, with large screen projectors, overhead live action cameras viewing an N scale DCC controled layout they were dispatching, and 24 Windows PC's (1 PC per two attendees) with several hands on labs for the attendees to complete using a beta copy of the software. And of course speakers, engineers for trains, etc. A most impressive effort! I was fortunate to sit next to the Kruegers from CA -- more S gaugers checking out this product. S Brass (new and old) --------------------- River Raisin Models - The pilot model of the bridge from River Raisin was on hand -- it was impressive enough that I put my order in with Jim & Dan. Also saw a turbine running on the New York Central over at Ed Loizeaux's layout. I understand it was the older pilot model, but it was impressive none the less. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately for my wallet) turbines will be out of place on my planned Northern Maine layout...RRM also had some other brass items for sale. SouthWind Models - Jettie Padgett from SouthWind was also in town. We saw a SP Cab Forward running on the NYC as well (again on Ed's layout - I'm sure Ed was testing it to see if it was up to NYC specs :-) -- SouthWind had brought along the pilot model, and the builders were in town. It was beautifully detailed, and ran very well, except for a minor hiccup with the pilot truck (to be corrected). In addition to taking reservations for the Cab Forward, SouthWind was also taking reservations for the Whiting 23-ton industrial locomotive (aka TrackMobile(R)). Deposits are due by Aug 31 to lock in the pre-delivery price. Delivery around the holidays according to the flyer. SouthWind also had information on their six dome tank car program, and a number of other brass items for sale. Greenbriar - GP30s were on display at the B.T.S. booth. Definitely a beautiful model. In addition to the above from manufacturers, there was also a small amount of older S scale brass for sale at the National Train Show. I saw a SD50 (in the NMRA Auction - see below), a high-hood (with DB) GP38-2, a NW2, a bridge crane, a couple of SD40-2, a RDC-1, RDC-2, RDC-3, a couple of older Alco RS units, and a few other items. I also saw a few Sn3 brass items, but not many. NMRA Auction ------------- The NMRA Convention auction was handled differently this year, with most items going into a live auction, and those items that did not sell went to the silent auction. It was also possible to submit items just for the silent auction, but not many additional items appeared IMHO. As for S items, there was only one piece of S Brass that I saw (S SD50, custom painted for the KCS, opening bid was $850). It did not sell, and was also in the silent auction. I also saw a S scale C&S station kit, and a few vehicles that could be used on a S scale layout. Last I saw the 1999 Hess fire truck + 2000 Hess gas truck (a package for bidding purposes), were in the silent auction with a bid of $30. And there were a few (<6) Sn3 items. That was all I saw for S. Unfortunately I will missed the NASG auction (Friday tonight) as I was on a plane back home. NASG Room ----------- The NASG room was open Thursday night when I went by on my way to a clinic. I believe it was set up on Wed. It has a large layout built using foam, Woodland Scenic risers, S Helper Service track. An American models steamer + passenger cars was running on it. And there were a few reefers parked on it as well. And as you might expect a number of S scalers around shooting the breeze. A nice handout in the NASG room was the S Trains Buyer's Guide, with a large listing of manufacturers of items useful with S model trains. Layouts & Tours ------------------- Unfortunately due to work commitments and to the scheduled NMRA DCC Working Group's meeting I was unable to go on either of the S scale layout tours. I'm sorry to have missed these. I was very fortunate to be able to enjoy Mr. Loizeaux's hospitality (twice) and spend time talking trains, S scale, and DCC over at his layout. The layout has made excellent progress since I saw it last year, and I hope we'll continue to see it's progress featured in magazine articles. S at the National Train Show ----------------------------- - Pacific Rail Shops was in attendance with a nice selection of kits. Also saw a few PRS kits scattered among the dealers at the show. Don't forget the 2000 NASG Convention car made by PRS if you're interested. The July 2000 Timetable mentions several new products including Santa Fe reefer (The Grand Canyon Line slogan - Ship & Travel), UP Road of the Streamliners 40' box with gothic style lettering, and three new smaller rail line boxcars - Indian Harbor Belt, Monon, and Illinois Terminal. They also have a parts list now available. - S Helper Service (http://www.showcaseline.com/) was at the show in force with the whole new crop of Billboard reefers. Very well done! SHS has done it again! They also had the test model of the F3 A and B unit at the show along with extra shells and parts so you could see the detail. I'm sure glad I've already placed my order for F3s -- they are going to be very nice models! It seemed every time I went by on Friday, Don, Mike & Robin were very busy -- a lot of interest in their new products. Again don't forget the 2000 NASG Convention billboard reefers (made by SHS) if you're interested. - Bill Wade from B.T.S. (http://www.btsrr.com/) was there with a variety of products - -including both S and Sn3. One product which might be included in the brass category was the EBT 0-6-0 switcher. Bill had a model running and it was as detailed as any brass model I've seen. And ran extremely well. I understand the first batch of 0-6-0 kits have sold out and more are coming. If you're thinking about one, I'd highly recommend it! - Des Plaines Hobbies (http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/) was also at the show, with their exquisite tank cars and hoppers, detail parts, and a few of the S scale Gulf gas stations. - One of the new manufacturer's I saw was MicroTech Scale Models (http://www.microtechscalemodels.com or phone 888-674-1233, 902-336-1940) -- they have Sn3 track temps now available for planning and installing flextrack and/or hand laying track. They also had a number of laser cut items (under development) including a West Side Lumber Co. caboose and some scale structures. - Another new manufacturer at the National Train Show was Bar Mills Scale Model Works (http://www.barmillsmodels.com). Art Fahie and team have produced an excellent new series of laser cut signs. A few of the HO through O Scale kits came home in my luggage. Among the signs in production currently are Moxie Soda, American Tool & Die, Carter's Liver Pills, Old Dutch Cleanser, Philco Batteries, Silvercup Bread, Tucker Automobiles, and the A&P Supermarket. And the word is there are more that will be following these. - Another manufacturer for whom I had seen advertisements but not their product was Train-Safe. They were at the show with a variety of their Run-in, Run-out, Show-case system. They produce products for a variety of scales including S. Have a look at http://www.train-safe.com - Another new manufacturer, not specifically S, but useful in S was Vitachrome Graphics. They are bring to market Vita-Cal. A kit for making water slide decals using your inkjet printer. They were selling starter kits at the show, and as I understand it Walthers will be a distributor. You can find them on the web at http://www.vitachrome.com/vitacal or you can reach them by phone at 562-692-9200. - QSI (http://www.qsindustries.com) was there with demos of a number of their products, including the new Maxx-Traxx system. - A small manufacturer with an impressive product line is Fantasonic Engineering "The Themepark People". The product is Scale Magic Sound. They offer scale sound kits for over 30 scenes (and growing) found on many model railroads. Their display (with fantastic sound of course!) was very impressive. You can find them at http://www.fantasonics.com - A neat addition to the structures for my layout was S scale bleachers - a kit from Dietrich Enterprises. Chuck Dietrich's firm also produces circus wagon kits, and I talked with him about producing them in S scale. Those of you interested in either the bleachers or circus wagons might contact him at mailto:circus@... or 412-781-2397. - A new addition to the DCC market is the Joystick (http://www.roco.com/r10780.html) from Roco (the large European model railroad manufacturer) (Roco's web site is http://www.roco.com). Designed to work with any of Roco's DCC enabled cranes, this a real joystick to allow you to control the crane. IMHO Roco's cranes (see the gantry crane at http://www.roco.com/r40110.html) plus the joystick and other DCC products aimed at kids make me think about what AC Gilbert would make in the year 2000 to attract kids to the hobby. Even though these cranes are 1:87 scale, I think they can look right at home on an S scale layout. And the kids (little & big) enjoy playing with them. You can even add a working electromagnet, or working excavator shovel. As an aside, a standard part of the NMRA Convention program now for the last several years has been the Junior College Program, aimed at kids from ages 7 and up. It has a lot of model railroad focused activities to excite kids -- and it has been very popular. It's sponsored by a number of the model railroad manufacturers. Roco was one of the original sponsors, and continues to be a very active participant. - The Pacific Coast Region of the NMRA published a nice Rail Enthusiast's Guide with listings of everything from shops, to manufacturers, the prototype railroads, to railfan spots for the region. It was available at the Convention Store. - Atlas has jump headfirst into the DCC market with a new complete system, as well as the first locomotive from an American manufacturer that comes with a DCC decoder in every loco produced (a HO scale GP38-2). The system has already generated a lot of interest. You can see ads in the major model railroad magazines Sept issue including a two page spread inside front cover of Model Railroader or on their website at http://www.atlasrr.com/dcc/welcome.asp. This will certainly increase DCC availability, and drive more and more manufacturers to include DCC decoders in the market. Note they have a small switch under removable fans, that allows theloco to run on DC or by changing it to run on DCC. And they even program the decoder at the factory to the last two digits of the road number. - Soundtraxx, the company that makes Sound decoders for the DCC market, also increased the number of products in the market. They have released a whole new series of Low Cost (LC) decoders, including several in plug and play formats for HO use. I picked up a couple of their plug and play LC decoders to use in some S scale engines. They appear really slick, with use selectable whistles or horns, etc. And of course they drive the price down one more time. The decoders are so new they have not even made it to their web site yet (http://www.soundtraxx.com) - Another S scale product I saw was a S scale flashing Railroad crossing signal from N-Way products. You can find them at http://www.nwayproducts.com - For you NMRA members out there, the NMRA has released a new CD -- the NMRA InfoPak which has all the NMRA Standards, Recommended Practices, and Data Sheets (recently updated), along with The DCC Handbook, and a Glossary of Model Railroad terms. - Of course, the NASG had a nice staffed booth at the National Train Show - And there were two operating S gauge layouts at the show -- both from our friends in Bay Area S Scalers. I'm sure their were more S scale products at the show, and products useful in S scale. And more s related activities. I have not intentionally left anyone out, and hope I have not slighted anyone. But I was only at the show for Friday afternoon. And had limited time at the convention. Hopefully others can fill in the gaps I've left. And for those unable to attend, I hope this short report might bring some of the newer items & activities to your attention. Regards Michael Greene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9188	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: SSL&S Web Site

S Scale Loco. & Supply has a new web site. It is "bare bones" for now because they have over 150 parts in their catalog with more on the way and a lot of work is ahead in putting them all on the site. On- line ordering is also on the way. I guess you could say "watch us grow". Check it out at: http://www.sscaleloco.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9189	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific E9 units W/Passenger cars Going to Califor...

They left Philadelphia via the High Line 9:30 Friday night, they were headed up to Trenton NJ, than to New York, I believe then they were going to Chicago, I do not know the Time Line for this though. From Chicago they will continue West. There were a lot of Railfans at the CSX yards Friday, CSX let us hang out where the train was in the yards, The engineer hung out with us on and off for a couple hours before the train left, he assured us he assured us he would go slow for us as he pulled out of the yard and went over the High Line. A lot of grate footage was captured that night, after it pulled out of the yard we all shot up to center city by University of Penn on South Street. We got some great footage of the UP going by a couple hundred feet up on the High Line with Center City Phila in the background, This was very impressive. There ended up being 28 UP cars in all, out of the Half Dozen Vista Dome cars they had 1 Stainless Steel Vista Dome car that I did not notice in the previous week,it was awesome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9190	From: Mark Preman	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Books on American Flyer Sets

This is from a few days ago. I too, regret the lack of a re-issue of the Greenberg set book. The good news, as someone else pointed out, is the existance of the Bob Tuft's book THE ALMOST COMPLETE GUIDE TO AMERICAN FLYER S GAUGE SETS. It is an excellent resource for sets. It may not have all the pictures that the Greenberg book had but, the documentation is excellent. I carry it on my book page for $15 postpaid. Look on the left buttons on the homepage and click on "books". http://www.americanflyertrains.com Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9191	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: Sunday Chat

Sorry I missed the chat. Both my phone lines were down. Did I miss anything? Was 'the duck' on board, how about mr.downunder , UKflyer or Norway-Rance? For you non-chat guys these are some of the 'usual suspects' that give us an international flavor. Drop me a note if you need assistance to get on-board. We use the yahoo s-trains club chat room. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains I usually bump into folks just about any time I log into the club site. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9192	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/7/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

556 Ashley Drew & Northern 50' thrall-door boxcar. (11-86) Painted ADN green. Walthers kit. Set will letter one car. Green, yellow, white lettering. 557 CHTT 52' gondoal. (2-98) Painted black. Walthers kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White & blue lettering. DDJ white & blue logo. 558 DJJX 52' gondoal. (1-99) Painted black. Walthers kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White & blue lettering. DDJ white & blue logo. 559 BPRR - Buffalo & Pittsburg Railroad Inc. (3-98) Painted black. Walthers kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White & blue lettering. DDJ white & blue logo. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9193	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: AF 283

I just acquired a very nice 283. It runs great, smokes, but has a very loud buzz in the e-unit. The buzz is continuous when power is on. Is this normal? Is there anything to be done to quiet the buzz? Thanks, Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9194	From: Peck	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Franklin smoke element

<<Has anyone on list ever replaced the wick and coil in one of the smaller smoke units found in the Frontiersman locos? >> Sure....in fact, we have replacement elements (mounted on disks) that just pop in there after you file away the edge and remove the old one. Insert the new one, and epoxy it closed. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9195	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Scale structure needed

Does anyone know of a power plant in kit form suitable for use on a 1/64 layout?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9196	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] San Jose Convention Report

At 10:18 PM 8/6/0, Michael Greene wrote: >As for S >items, there was only one piece of S Brass that I saw (S SD50, custom >painted for the KCS, opening bid was $850). There were also a Gold Coast wood caboose with straight sided cupola painted for SP (appeared to be a custom paint job), and an unpainted River Raisin GE 44 Tonner. The caboose has a minimum bid of $100, and went into the silent auction. I don't know the out come. The GE 44 Tonner had a min. bid of $150, and I understand it sold in the live auction for $210 or $220. Lee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9197	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: AF FLAT CAR

Hi LOCAL HOBBY SHOP SELLING A 24558 flat car with xmas trees,, in origioanl box,but one tree is a repo,, was wondering if anyone could help me withthe value of this,,,, or if anyone is interested in it let me know,thanks lou. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9198	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Turntable drive

A while back people where talking about turntables and motor units for them. It took me a bit to fin this info, but I thought others may want to check it out. I looked into an indexing system from Micro Design. I talked to the owner at length about his products. This is a very well made and accurate indexing system that can be used with any brand of turntable. It can position up to 50 stops. I plan on using one on my new layout. Micro design also makes a couple of other track items, originally designed for HO, but easily adapted for use on S. You may want to check these out on their web site. It is: http://www.tracktivate.com Roger Petrella Franktown, CO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9199	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.

The author of the original post on the TCA list about the Chicago Cubs promotional locomotive admitted his error in typing 1/64. He said he meant 1/160. You can stop hoping that Lionel made a Flyer Hudson now. Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9200	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game.

Here is the complete interchange on the subject: ____________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 15:32:21 EDT From: GANACH@... Subject: Re: Lionel Illinois Central Chicago Cubs Hudson I apoligize for the typo. It was a 1/160th scale toy. In a message dated 8/6/00 7:14:43 PM, busy-boy@... writes: << GANACH@... (no name!!!) said: >It was Lionel day at the friendly confines of Wrigley Field. My son and I >each received a 1/64 Illinois Central Hudson & Tender as they were given to >the first 10K paid attendees. What???????????????? You got a FREE LIONEL/AMERICAN FLYER STEAM ENGINE AND TENDER for attending a ball game??????? S-gauge Hudsons have not been made since the 60's. Lionel has never made one. If they did, it would be a $500 item, at least! In a limited edition run with a Chicago Cubs emblem, it would easily reach into the thousands in value in a short time. I just don't think so. Now, once more, SLOWLY. What did you get as a premium for going to a ball game? Chris Zizzo >> ___________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9201	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Re: 2 Union Pacific E9 units W/Passenger cars Going to California

David: Will you post the UP pictures anywhere? CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9202	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Lionel Freebee

Subject: Lionel 1/64 Given out free at CUBS game. Did anyone else see on the latest toytrain onelist that the Cubs had a "Lionel Day" and gave out a 1/64 Hudson and Tender to first 10,000. The author , sounding disgusted, wondered if anyone tossed their "gift" in the trash but speculated that a real Cubs fan would keep it as it has the CUBS logo on the tender. What did they give away and is it worth seeking. Why was it 1/64??? Joe Craig in Chicago. Actually, the giveaway was (and still is) 1:160 IC/Cubs Blister Pack Hudson. Only the wheels on the tender and the pony and training trucks roll. The trivers are solidly molded into the frame. I have one. It hasn't grown into an S engine at all. Maybe the blister pack is stunting its growth. Alan Udy Idaho Falls ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9203	From: Eric Child	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Sorry to bother the group, but would someone please unsubscribe? The posted link for unsubscribing does not work. It keeps rejecting as an unknown group Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9204	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/8/2000
Subject: Super motor

Just fooling around out in my workshop last week, I built two 3/4"-super motors out of a three, junk, 1/2" motors that had been laying around for the past few years. They work great. Lots of power and speed. It was fairly easy and the only power tool I used was a drill press. I put one of them in a 322 I have that was pretty sluggish. Not so now. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has ever done this but, if anyone might be interested, let me know and I'll write up some directions for the project. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9205	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: AC-12 Cab Forwards

I am rebuilding my Highrail layout and need to know: 1. Will the AC-12 be available with Highrail wheels? 2. What is the minimum radius? (27 inches would be ideal but I must have 39 inches minimum.) 3. Anyone have a clue as to price? I need this to reduce my wife's sticker shock. 4. Will it be available painted as SP 4294? (Thus a model of the preserved AC-12.) I have been reading the digests for over four months now. Lots of good stuff, both scale and Highrail. Thorin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9206	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Super motor

Hi Joe: Can you please tell me what a 3/4"-super motor is? I'd be interested in knowing more about it and how you used it. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: judy messinger [mailto:jmessinger@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:21 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Super motor Just fooling around out in my workshop last week, I built two 3/4"-super motors out of a three, junk, 1/2" motors that had been laying around for the past few years. They work great. Lots of power and speed. It was fairly easy and the only power tool I used was a drill press. I put one of them in a 322 I have that was pretty sluggish. Not so now. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has ever done this but, if anyone might be interested, let me know and I'll write up some directions for the project. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9207	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Posting Pictures of UP train.

I will post the pics, I have received a lot of requests for that. I am glad to see the amount of interest in this. I am hoping to do so in a month or so, I will contact my friend to see if he will let me put them on his web site once I get them scanned in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9208	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: TCA Frisco boxcar

(My copy of) the Lionel-built AF 6-48219 Frisco boxcar arrived here two days ago. This is one in a series of cars that Lionel has been making for the T.C.A. Museum to sell in order to help raise funds for the museum. They are kind of pricey, but the production runs have been 600 for each issue and are sold out by time of delivery. The graphics and general assembly quality of the car are very good and are up to those for the fine L&N S-gauge boxcar done for the T.C.A. by Lionel last year. Within the context of this type of S-gauge rolling stock (i.e., traditional AF rather than, say, SHS), these cars are very well-done. It's too bad that Lionel doesn't lavish this level of care more often on the regular catalogued items. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9209	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Super motor

How about some details and maybe a picture or two! judy messinger wrote: > Just fooling around out in my workshop last week, I built two 3/4"-super > motors out of a three, junk, 1/2" motors that had been laying around for the > past few years.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9210	From: John Roman Faron	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: 370s

In the August 2, 2000 Digest No. 709 S.C. Williamson posed the following question at Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:31:09 -0400 From: "S. C. Williamson" <scwilliamson@...> Subject: Re: 751 Log Loader How can a 370 GP-7 be converted to KC? Parts and Price? Can anyone answer this? Thanks, JR Faron NOTICE THIS TRANSMISSION IS PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL AND IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE PARTY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED. ANY REVIEW, COPYING, DISCLOSURE OR THE TAKING OF ANY ACTION IN RELIANCE ON ITS CONTENTS BY ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ADDRESSEE IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS TRANSMISSION IN ERROR, PLEASE REPLY TO US IMMEDIATELY TO ARRANGE FOR ITS RETURN. THANK YOU.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9211	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: RSSVP Canada Starch

I just received the Canada Starch tank car made by Downs MRR and distributed by RSSVP. It's a beautiful piece in yellow with a blue center band. However, all the ads for this piece have described it as having a green center band. Has anyone else seen this? What is the color of the prototype? Thanks. Steve Gruninger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9212	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/9/2000
Subject: Super motor update

I was surprised at the response to the Super Motor project I mentioned on the list yesterday. To all who inquired; I'm working on getting the procedure into writing and will send it to the group in a few days. The steps necessary in building the 3/4" motor out of two 1/2" motors isn't all that complicated. I just want to make sure I don't leave anything out. I should have (already) had something written before I mentioned what I had done but I didn't anticipate the interest in it. Thanks for writing. Joe Messinger ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9213	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Photos of S-Helper S-Trax Closed-Frog SWITCHES (3rd-Party-Built)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9214	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: (retry) Photos of S-Helper S-Trax Closed-Frog Switches (3rd-Party-B

(retry) (I'm in digest mode, so have not yet seen my earlier post, but I'm getting feedback the message did not properly post, so here is a second attempt on my part.) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SUBJECT: (retry) Photos of S-Helper S-Trax Closed-Frog Switches (3rd-Party-Built) Mark Mogil of the BSSS (Black Sheep S-Scalers, Gibbstown New Jersey Area) emailed me some photos of a closed-frog switch that he made by combining a piece of straight S-Trax with a piece of curved S-Trax, and then fabricating a closed-frog. Please note that Mark is NOT selling these switches; rather he is making just a few for his own use, as he reports construction is tedious and time-consuming. You can see these photos at <http://www.trainweb.org/sss/extras/switches/index.switches.html> Mark made this switch working with supervision from "the Gibbstown wizard" Chick Viggianno of Chick's Hobby Center in Gibbstown New Jersey. Mark reports that they successfully ran an engine with scale wheels pulling cars with high-rail wheels through the switches. This is the switch that some of us wish that S-Helper would have built, so that we who want to do public displays, instead of fighting over whether the switches are going to be scale or hi-rail, could use one style of closed-frog switch and run anything. Maybe the "tedious and time-consuming" hurdle makes these closed-frog designs difficult to mass produce, although American Models has one announced (As I understand, and as you probably know, the S-Helper switch we are eagerly awaiting is an open-frog switch, that will operate high-rail only, but will not work for scale wheels.) FYI: The website for Chick's Hobby Center is at <http://users.jnlk.com/~chicks> If you're an S-Trax fan like I am, I hope you will find these photos of interest. - Jim Ingram

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9215	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Scenery unlimited Wilson billboard refrigerator

I was excited to see the ad for the Wilson car in the S Gaugian. However after reading the description I was very disappointed. A yellow Wilson car??My dad worked for wilson meats for 45+ years,traveled from Wilkes-Barre to other major plants as far as Kansas City. He informed me that he had never seen a yellow Wilson car, all the cars he had seen were orange.My question is,does anybody know of a yellow car? Where can I find proof that yellow was ever used on there cars?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9216	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: Colors of wooden "Billboard" reefers

Dear Mary Jo (?), You are asking for information that few if anyone alive today really know. One of the hardest parts of our 40' wooden "Billboard" reefer project was trying to determine the correct color for cars that may have not been seen in 75+ years. The more research we have conducted, the more we realized that few know very much regarding the exact color of these cars. Even the experts did not have all of the answers and several times gave us mis-information about colors. Remember, All of the photos from that period were BLACK and WHITE. I can think of two refrigerator companies that went from yellow to orange in the early years, PFE (UP & SP) and SFRD (AT&SF). Others, like MDT (NYC) went from white, to orange and finally to yellow. NWX (CNW) were gray and ended up yellow and green in 1952. Regarding Wilson & Co. meats. Don Heimberger wanted to use an early scheme and sent us the information that he had. One source that many manufacturers use for reefer data is Walthers. Although they sometimes have inaccuracies in their painting information, they are usually pretty good with there reefers. It seem that old Wm. K. was a "O" scale reefer buff. Anyway, if you look at Walthers sets 1200 (early, like what we made), 1200A (later) & 1355 (later yet), they indicate the cars had yellow sides with boxcar red ends and roofs. Another source is Clover House (Tony Peerles and later Russ Clover). Their sets 9416-01 and 9416-02 are both later Wilson Car Lines and indicate yellow sides. Don Thompson P.S. Our 40 wooden "Billboard" reefers arrived 2 weeks ago and everyone that has ordered them should have received there shipment. Don H's cars are due next week in the second batch from our builder. The NASG now has the balance of the Chateau Martin wine cars. If you did not received one, they are still available from Lee Johnson (see cc list for e-mail address). mary jo shutt wrote: > I was excited to see the ad for the Wilson car in the S Gaugian. However > after reading the description I was very disappointed. A yellow Wilson > car??My dad worked for wilson meats for 45+ years,traveled from > Wilkes-Barre to other major plants as far as Kansas City. He informed me > that he had never seen a yellow Wilson car, all the cars he had seen > were orange.My question is,does anybody know of a yellow car? Where can > I find proof that yellow was ever used on there cars? > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9217	From: Peck	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] GP7 KC Conversion

<<How can a 370 GP-7 be converted to KC? Parts and Price? Can anyone answer this? >> Of all the "clinics" on our website, this one probably gets the most inquiries. I won't enter it all here....just go to the website, click on CLINICS, and read the one about GP7 KC Conversion. The one thing I need to update , however, is that I no longer recommend the epoxy method described there. We now rivet the bracket to the sideframe instead...... it holds forever that way. Other than that, the explanation there stands. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9218	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 283

At first I thought to give a reply to try running on DC because that will surely quiet the buzz. Then I got wondering about whether one could put a small diode in series with the reversing unit coil. This is similar to how some people have eliminated the buzz in the action caboose. That would let the coil run on DC (no buzz) while the engine ran on normal AC. Anyone ever try this? colin_olsen@... wrote: > > I just acquired a very nice 283. It runs great, smokes, but has a > very loud buzz in the e-unit. The buzz is continuous when power is > on. Is this normal? Is there anything to be done to quiet the buzz? > > Thanks, > > Colin > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9219	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 8/10/2000
Subject: Speaking of buzzes.......

Hi all, I just received several transformers, and I thought I would give my little 75 watter a break . Hooked up a 4B, 100 watts. It works fine but seems to buzz a lot! I can pick it up and sometimes it will be quieter and sometimes not. It doesn't appear to be a vibration buzz from what it is sitting on. My 75 and 50 watter are really quiet. Soooo....is this normal for a higher wattage transformer, or is somethin' inside vibrating?? Or should I just wear earplugs?? Thanks, Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9220	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: What not to do

I was reassembleing a steam loco tonight, and would like to pass this tip on. I usually use Vaseline or the original Gilbert "Gear and Stud Lubricant" (yes, I still have half a tube!) on the worm gears. Since I recently rebuilt the starter motor on my motorcycle, I had a can of "high pressure grease" handy, and thought I'd give it a try.The locomotive slowed WAY down, and was drawing almost 5 amps. As soon as I cleaned the grease off, everything was back to normal. Hope this helps someone. Bill Frazier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9221	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Reefer delivery

Dear Friends, I recently gave some misinformation about our reefer deliveries. Anyone that ordered an unlettered yellow or orange, or an undecorated 40' wooden Billboard reefer has not had there order shipped. These are in the second container (with the Scenery unlimited and the Gerry Rivet cars) and put at the end of the pile of invoices. For a few dealers this was unfair, as they should have just been backordered. We are now sending out these orders. We regret any problems that this may have caused. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9222	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Gluing American Models Shells

I have found Tester's Cement works great! This is the 'glue sniffing' glue. It comes in a red and white tube. See your local hobby shop. It used to be out on the counter but is now behind to reduce sales to people who want to sniff it. Just be sure to use it in a well ventilated space! This glue will also bridge small gaps so the materials do not have to be tight. Thorin > Who is successfully using what to glue sections of American Models > stml passenger cars; I can't get even ACC to work and hold, let > alone the MEK-based ones such as the Ambroid Pro-Weld. The > cross-sectional joint broke again today while sanding near it. > DJE-KCMO [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9223	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] What not to do

If you didn't already know, greases and lubes like high pressure and high speed wheel bearing grease won't properly lubricate under light load applications. You may think that since regular grease works good, the high speed stuff will hold up longer and work better. Actually, it takes a higher temperature to get the lube to "flow" and lubricate properly. I have been using Lubriplate for years with good success. I am about to test the new stuff put out by Aero lube, it looks to be real promising and better than Lubriplate. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO bilfrazier@... wrote: > I was reassembleing a steam loco tonight, and would like to pass this tip on. > I usually use Vaseline or the original Gilbert "Gear and Stud Lubricant" > (yes, I still have half a tube!) on the worm gears. Since I recently rebuilt > the starter motor on my motorcycle, I had a can of "high pressure grease" > handy, and thought I'd give it a try.The locomotive slowed WAY down, and was > drawing almost 5 amps. As soon as I cleaned the grease off, everything was > back to normal. > Hope this helps someone. > > Bill Frazier > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9224	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Speaking of buzzes.......

Try opening it up and tightening any screws that hold the laminations together. This sometimes works because if they're loose they hum or buzz more loudly. Rick {bAss-flyer} wrote: > > Hi all, > I just received several transformers, and I thought I would give my > little 75 watter a break . Hooked up a 4B, 100 watts. It works fine > but seems to buzz a lot! I can pick it up and sometimes it will be > quieter and sometimes not. It doesn't appear to be a vibration buzz > from what it is sitting on. My 75 and 50 watter are really quiet. > > Soooo....is this normal for a higher wattage transformer, or is > somethin' inside vibrating?? Or should I just wear earplugs?? > > Thanks, Rick. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9225	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: David Dewey's Convention pictures

David Dewey (aka. the duck) was nice enough to send me some pictures from the the convention. Check them out at..and enjoy http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/sj_nasg/SJ_NASG.html Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9226	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Dc for reversing coils/ac to motor

Yes, insert a diode in one lead to the reverse unit's coil. It should work, though I haven't tried that. However, I have quieted several using a full wave rectifier (Radio Shack), and a capacitor in parallel (be careful on the polarity of the capacitor and the rectifier., The coil doesn't care. Alan Udy, RMHR Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9227	From: Stan S.	Date: 8/11/2000
Subject: Re: Heljan Brewery

Sorry for the double posting. I've lost track of where the question originated. There are two identical-looking versions of the Heljan Brewery (distributed by Con-Cor). The small one is marketed as HO/N (with two sets of doors). The larger version, marketed as HO, also has two sets of doors. The bigger doors in this variation are just about perfect S scale. Anyway, the version suitable for S scale is the #807 Brewery. There's an obscure law that requires you to buy this: along with a Revell Bakery, every S scale layout is required to have one. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9228	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: an answer for ya

This is my response to the question, Why we don't allow attachments on S-Trains & S-Scale mailing lists. Well there are several reasons: 1) Many people use the digest mode, if one or more people added attachments , the disgest could easily get oversized. 2) Some of the guys use free email systems that do not support attachmnets. 3) Attachments can carry virus. (buy some virus protection) 4) If you have a slow connection (like I do), it is a pain to wait on an attachment that you have no interest in seeing. 5) many people that send photos have no concept of resolution or croping , and the result is much wasted bandwidth. 6) If you use the 'files' section, that attachment is avilable to those who want to see it. And those who can't , or don't want to , are not bothered. If you don't have access to the "Files' section, or need any help, feel free to send me your questions. Hope this answers that question, thanks for asking it. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9229	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] National S Scale Day

The only way to make 3-16 'National S Gauge/Scale Day' is to get the US Congress to make it so. So let's start a letter writting campaign!! AND to make it more effective, no 'Scale vs Gauge', or 'Proto vs Hi Rail' (or even AF) arguments. This is a ALL-WIN situation! National noteriety! I can see it now, "National Inquirer--Who's behind National S Day?--secret society revealed inside! EXCLUSIVE" Hmmm. . . . More meds needed Rich! S' David 'Darth Gilbert' Dewey "Come over to the right S'ize, Luke!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9230	From: michael prell	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: [S-Scale] National S Scale Day

--- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > The only way to make 3-16 'National S Gauge/Scale > Day' is to get the US > Congress to make it so. > So let's start a letter writting campaign!! > AND to make it more effective, no 'Scale vs Gauge', > or 'Proto vs Hi Rail' > (or even AF) arguments. This is a ALL-WIN situation! > National noteriety! > I can see it now, "National Inquirer--Who's behind > National S Day?--secret > society revealed inside! EXCLUSIVE" > Hmmm. . . . > More meds needed Rich! > S' > David 'Darth Gilbert' Dewey > "Come over to the right S'ize, Luke!" > > :Great Idea! Who knows. Get this thing to go and maybe even a commemorative stamp somewhere down the line. Woulf not that frost the L-guys! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9231	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Super Motor Project

A few days ago, I wrote in stating that I had built a 3/4", American Flyer, "Super Motor" from two 1/2" motors and mentioned that if anyone was interested in the process to let me know. There was a whole lot more interest than I ever expected! I didn't have directions written at the time. Today is the first chance I've had to do so. So, I'll do my best. Several people wrote in inquiring as to just "What is a "Super Motor"? So, for the benefit of those who asked, here's a brief explanation: Gilbert used several different motors for their locomotives. The motors are classified by the type current they operate on (AC or DC) and the (combined) thickness of the laminations that make up the field magnet and the armature. Early versions of these motors have fields and armatures that measure 1/2". In 1952, Gilbert introduced a new motor with a field magnet and armature that measures 3/4". These larger motors produced more torque or pulling power and were installed in their larger, heavier locos like the Union Pacific "Challengers" and the New York Central "Hudsons". Today, these motors are pretty scarce and quite expensive, if they can be found. There are lots of Hudsons out there that pre-date the 3/4" motor. Because of their size and and weight, many perform rather poorly. There are even some of the Challengers that were built using the 1/2" motors that , I imagine, run poorly also. I own a 322 Hudson that, with it's small motor, labored, snail like, around the track. I have (had) several 1/2" motors in the parts drawer that were not being used so, being the 1960's hold-over hot rodder that I am, I gave a little thought to the situation and decided to try to build my own 3/4" "Super Motor" for the Hudson. The project was a success and proved to be relatively easy. Explaining how I did it may prove to be more complicated than actually doing it. At any rate, here goes: The disc type commutator motors (which is what we'll need for the project) that Gilbert used have many common parts. They are, generally, designated pul-more and pre-pull-more motors. The pre-pul-more motors have armature plates that have wide (13/32") spaces between their winding segments. Pul-mores have 1/8" spaces. Pre-pull-more motors also have a different type commutator than the pul-more motors. These commutators have segments that are riveted to their backing plate. Pul-more commutators segments have tabs along their sides that are intergal with their backing plate. Pre-pul- mores also have a different (one piece) end thrust bushing/bearing (for the lack of a better term) in the center of the commutator. Pul-more commutators have a small hub which is intergal with the backing plate and a, separate, end thrust bearing which rests against the hub. That being said, all other components are common. Both motors will work for the conversion but the pul-more motors are best. The 3/4" motor has the same components as the 1/2" (pul-more) motor. The only differences are in the length of the worm drive shaft, the number of plates that make up the field magnet and armature, and the winding wire size and number of wraps of wire for both. 1/4" is the magic number. The heart of these motors is the worm drive shaft. A 1/2" motor has a 2-3/8" long shaft. A 3/4" motor has a 2-5/8" long shaft. Both are 5/32" in diameter. The extra 1/4" for the big motor is added to the commutator end of the shaft. You might think," Just make a new,longer shaft." The problem is the worm drive. It's not just a simple screw thread. It is a "double helix" and that is a pretty complex piece of machine shop work. You can't cut a double helix on an ordinary lathe. That operation requires a special piece of equipment. So, the only option I had was to use the original shaft. I began by removing the windings from two 1/2" pul-more motors. The backing plate on the commutator is pretty fragile so care must be taken with this step. There is a small, fiber spacer between the backing plate and the armature plates. Dig out the spacer (destroy it) using a sharp pointed Exacto knife. A new spacer is easy to make. More on that later. I applied several drops of penetrating oil to the shaft where the commutator sets, placed the armature vertically in a vise and let it set for a few hours. In order to slide the commutator up the shaft without breaking it, pressure needs to be applied to the hub in the center and not towards the outer area of the backing plate. I used a small screw driver (resting the shank of the against the armature plates and the blade tip against the center hub) to (gently) pry the commutator up the shaft about 1/8". Rotate the armature as you pry at different points around hub. Take your time to very gradually move the commutator. The shaft has knurled ridges that run parallel up the shaft from a point where the plates begin (at the drive end) to where the commutator sets. After the commutator hub has moved past the knurling, it should slide on up and off the shaft without much resistance. If the backing plate does break, all is not lost. I have broken them (on other repair attempts) and as long as the backing plate does not shatter, I've successfuly put them back together with JB Weld and they are still working. If they fragment, I'm told there is (possibly) a source for new commutators. I can't say, for sure. Remove the fiber spacer on the worm drive end of the shaft. It doesn't set over any knurling so, with a little gentle persuasion, it will slide, easily, down the shaft. Save the spacer. Set the armature (with the worm end up) in your drill press chuck. I used a flat, 10" mill file setting on top of of my drill press vise to smooth up and flatten the end of the shaft. Turn the drill press on, hold the file on top of the vise with your left hand and - gently- lower the armature shaft until the shaft end makes contact with the file. Apply only a slight amount of pressure. Too much downward pressure and the file will shoot across the room! Remove only enough metal to make the end surface uniformly smooth. It shouldn't take more than 1/32" to accomplish this. If the end is damaged and needs more material removed, you can do that. You'll just have to compensate for it later. Leave the armature in the chuck and place a 7/64" drill bit, vertically ,in your press vise. Use a small square to plumb the bit. Raise the press table until the end of the bit is about 1" from the end of the shaft. Visually align the bit with the shaft (check it from the front and the side). Apply a drop of oil to the bit, turn the press on and slowly lower the shaft to make contact with the bit. As long as you are reasonably close with your alignment, the bit WILL find the center of the rotating shaft by it's self. (Honestly it will!) Drill a 3/8" deep hole in the end of the shaft. Mark the proper depth on the bit with a piece of masking tape. Remove the vise and bit, turn the press back on, and use the file to create a slight bevel (about 45 degrees) on the shaft end. Remove the armature and blow out the cuttings from the hole. Use a hacksaw or Dermal Tool with a cut off wheel to cut a 1" length from a piece of 3/16" dia. BRASS round stock. Place the piece in the drill press chuck and repeat the drilling steps including the bevel. Make the bevel a little deeper on this piece. Use a 6-32 tap to thread the ends of the shaft and the brass extension piece. Instead of using a tap handle, I clamped the tap in the press vise, placed the pieces to be threaded in the press chuck and (carefully) rotated the chuck by hand as I lowered the tap into the shaft hole. I found it easier to align the tap with the pieces that way. Make sure the threaded holes are clear of any cuttings in both pieces. Blow them out with compressed air if you have it. Use either a 1" length of 6-32 all thread or a 1" 6-32 machined screw. Place a drop of Loc-tite on the threads. Turn the screw into the shaft until it stops. Measure 1/4" up the threads from the shaft end and cut the screw off at that point. If you don't have a 6-32 die to clean up the cut off end of the screw, use a file to clean up any burrs and cut a slight bevel to start the screw. Add some Loc-tite and screw the brass piece on. Measure 5/16" up from the end of the original shaft onto the brass piece and mark it there. Cut the brass piece off there. Make the cut as square as possible. The total length of the entire armature should now be a bit over 2-5/8". Place the armature back in the drill press chuck. Clamp your file in the press vise with the side of the file parallel to the shaft end. Leave about 3" of the file end extending out from the vise end. The brass shaft extension is 3/16" in diameter. The shaft is 5/32" in diameter. if the extension isn't perfectly aligned with the shaft, there is enough, extra, material there to correct it. Turn on the press and move the file up against the brass shaft extension. Turn the brass down to a point slightly larger than the diameter as the original shaft. Remove the file from the vise and place it on on top of it. Check the overall length and turn down the end of the extension accordingly. As before, file a slight bevel on the extension (shaft) end. If, where the two shaft pieces meet, the two bevels don't create about a 1/16" wide (at the top) "V"-shaped grove, use a ,small, triangular shaped file to cut the groove deeper into the shaft while the armature is tuning in the drill press. Remove the armature and silver solder (450 degree - can be used with most soldering guns) the two pieces together. Use a cleaning flux (usually comes with silver solder) and make sure you completely fill up the groove. Place the armature back in the drill press and use the file first, then 350 grit and finally 600 grit emery cloth to bring the brass extension to its' final diameter and polish. Steel can be used for the shaft extension but since I don't have a lathe and have to use a file to turn it to dimension, I chose brass. Also, less pressure is needed to remove the extra materal when brass is used resulting in less stress being placed on the splice. Motor # 2. Remove the windings and commutator as before. I drilled a 1/4" hole in a piece of 3/4" dia. x 2-1/2" long brass rod. Remove the spacer and insulator from the worm-drive end of the armature. Place the armature in a vise (you'll need at least a 5" jaw opening) with the brass rod over the drive end of the shaft. The commutator end of the armature rests against one vise jaw, the brass piece against the other jaw. Slowly, tighten the vise and press the armature plates off the shaft. Place the extended armature in a "V" block, support the drive end of the shaft and use a 1/4" cold chisel to extend the knurling around the shaft to the end of the -original- shaft. You will need to add 8 plates to the existing ones to make up the 3/4" width. It's easier to do with two groups of 4 plates. Slide the plates over the shaft to the point where the first one meets the knurling you just cut. Use a piece of 3/4" x 3/4" rod with a center drilled 1/4" hole to press the plates on. Carefully align them with the existing plates. Place the (armature plate shaped) insulator on the shaft, slide it down and align it with the other, metal, plates. Next comes the spacer we destroyed. I drilled a 5/32" in a piece of 1/4" dia. solid plastic round stock that I picked up at a local hobby shop. Cut the length to 3/16" and slide it down the shaft and against the insulator. Next, press on the commutator using a 3/16", 1/4" drive socket. Remember: Concentrate the pressure against the hub and not the outer area of the commutator. There is a 3/16" commutator offset involved with this step. The slots in the commutator should be 3/16" to the left side of the slots in the armature plates. Measure it by looking down at the commutator end. 3/16" from the center of the commutator slot to the left side of the plate lobe. Finally, press on the small, brass end bearing and replace the fiber spacer/bearing on the drive end. The field magnet assembly modification is much easier. Drill out or grind off the rivets from both magnets. Take care not to damage the insulators on the sides. Again, you will need to add 8 plates to the existing 17 plates on the 1/2" motors making a total of 25. Install 4 brush bracket screws in the lower holes to align the plates. You will need two 1/8"x7/8" rivets. I found them at a local Ace Hardware store. If you can't locate such rivets, pick up a 1/8" dia. steel rod. Peen one end and cut it to length. Remove the two lower brush bracket screws, clamp the plates with a "C" clamp and two pieces of 1/8" flat stock, put the insulators in place, insert the rivets and peen the ends that extend through. That's it for the 3/4" field magnet assembly. Winding: I found the task of winding both the magnet and armature on the 3/4" motors easier than doing so on the 1/2" motor. The 3/4" magnet requires 120 (give or take 5) wraps of 22 ga. coated wire. The 3/4" armature requires 50 wraps of 25 ga. coated wire. I won't go into winding instructions here. This thing has turned into a monster, length wise, as it is. Barker's book gives winding instruction. There are probably other sources. If you've never done it before, I would suggest that you do the other work to create the 3/4" motor and then send the parts to Bob Hannon in Clarksville, Md for the winding job. He does great work and his prices are very reasonable. He has lots of experience and a winding jig. His e-mail address is: hannon@.... That's about it. Put all the parts of your new "Super Motor" back into your chassis, solder up the field wires, plug her in and hold on to your hat! I don't have a "factory" 3/4" motor to compare mine with, but I can't imagine anything that size having more power and speed. Any more power and you'll have to figure out how to install a "drag chute" on your loco! I hope all of this has been of some help to some of you. I'm sure I've made some mistakes and you'll find better ways to accomplish the task. If some of this sounds intimidating, don't worry too much. I have found that these motors are pretty forgiving when it comes to close tolerances. If you are "pretty" close, that's usually good enough. Keep telling yourself, "It's just a toy!" and go ahead and have some fun with it. You can build one 3/4" motor from two 1/2" motors. You can build two 3/4" motors from three 1/2" motors. Good luck and let me know if I can be of any further help. Thanks for your interest. Joe Messinger 99 Paradise Circle Morgantown, WV 26508 (304) 291-0641 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9232	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Colors of wooden "Billboard" reefers

I have a set of Gene Walp sides for WCLX 7522; they are orange. "Classic Freight Cars, Vol. 3" on page 15 shows an orange Wilson car, but above it is a photo of a much lighter orange/yellow car marked WCLX but has a Schuyler Packing Co. blue/white emblem about 8' dia, on the side of the car. I think I have seen pix of other Wilson cars that were molre yellow, butI sure can't find them now. DJE-KCMO Robin Thompson wrote: > Dear Mary Jo (?), > You are asking for information that few if anyone alive today really know. > One of the hardest parts of our 40' wooden "Billboard" reefer project was trying > to determine the correct color for cars that may have not been seen in 75+ > years. The more research we have conducted, the more we realized that few know > very much regarding the exact color of these cars. Even the experts did not have > all of the answers and several times gave us mis-information about colors. > Remember, All of the photos from that period were BLACK and WHITE. > I can think of two refrigerator companies that went from yellow to orange in > the early years, PFE (UP & SP) and SFRD (AT&SF). Others, like MDT (NYC) went > from white, to orange and finally to yellow. NWX (CNW) were gray and ended up > yellow and green in 1952. > Regarding Wilson & Co. meats. Don Heimberger wanted to use an early scheme > and sent us the information that he had. One source that many manufacturers use > for reefer data is Walthers. Although they sometimes have inaccuracies in their > painting information, they are usually pretty good with there reefers. It seem > that old Wm. K. was a "O" scale reefer buff. Anyway, if you look at Walthers > sets 1200 (early, like what we made), 1200A (later) & 1355 (later yet), they > indicate the cars had yellow sides with boxcar red ends and roofs. Another > source is Clover House (Tony Peerles and later Russ Clover). Their sets 9416-01 > and 9416-02 are both later Wilson Car Lines and indicate yellow sides. > > Don Thompson > P.S. Our 40 wooden "Billboard" reefers arrived 2 weeks ago and everyone that has > ordered them should have received there shipment. Don H's cars are due next week > in the second batch from our builder. The NASG now has the balance of the > Chateau Martin wine cars. If you did not received one, they are still available > from Lee Johnson (see cc list for e-mail address). > > mary jo shutt wrote: > > > I was excited to see the ad for the Wilson car in the S Gaugian. However > > after reading the description I was very disappointed. A yellow Wilson > > car??My dad worked for wilson meats for 45+ years,traveled from > > Wilkes-Barre to other major plants as far as Kansas City. He informed me > > that he had never seen a yellow Wilson car, all the cars he had seen > > were orange.My question is,does anybody know of a yellow car? Where can > > I find proof that yellow was ever used on there cars? > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@onelist.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9233	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9234	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: NASG IN SAN JOSE

I found my way to San Jose & the NASG convention. Not much rain in San Jose. It has a very dry climate. The grass on the hills grows from November to April then turns brown causing occasional fires from April to November. I arrived on Wednesday 8/2 and met Jamie Bothwell in the NMRA auction. Mostly HO and books. Later I had dinner with John Foley, Alan Evans and Jeff, Janet & Jeanette Madden. Thursday we toured 4 S layouts in the morning. Dave Butterfield has an S highrail/American Flyer layout with a scratch built Southern Pacific Daylight 4-8-4. Beautiful engine. He has one and is building another Cabforward 4-8-8-2. Then to Don Harper's Sn3 Harper Valley Lines. This has beautiful scenery and scale equipment. Third was Jerry Wood's S highrail/American Flyer layout with many interesting features. Most California layouts seem to be in garages or attics. But the 4th layout was Daniel Neumayer's S layout around the perimeter of his 24th floor condominium. The scenery is the view out the windows of the surrounding Oakland-Berkeley Hills area. He runs American Flyer, S Helper, American Models and brass on code 148 track. Thursday evening's tour included Ed Loizeaux's expertly detailed S scale layout with the new brass cabforward 4-8-8-2 by Southwind. Next was Bob Brown's On3 layout. This is a classic as Bob is editor of the Narrow Gauge & Short Line Gazette. Then on to Chris Holombo's O scale logging railroad. We finished about 11:00 with the West Bay Model Railroad Association's scale layout featuring "O", "S" and HO. Friday morning the NASG Board of Trustees met. Friday afternoon was the NMRA train show for NMRA/NASG registrants only. Friday evening was the NASG swap meet with many fine brass engines and equipment for sale. The evening ended late as Jamie auctioned many unique items such as scale grab bars and Studebaker stock cars. Yes there were some AF and brass pieces also. We were exhausted from laughing. You need to experience a Jamie Bothwell auction. Saturday Jamie and I visited the Golden Gate RR Museum in San Francisco with many Southeran Pacific Geeps, F-3s and passenger cars. They are also rebuilding a 4-6-2 steam engine. Then an afternoon at the NMRA train show. Sunday was the Awards breakfast and tribute to several members who have passed on. The General meeting was attended by 21 NASG members. The popular topic was promoting the NASG in non-S publications. If someone has the time to set up a free website then I can send some pictures from the above layout tours and Golden Gate RR Museum. I have patched in some websites set up by Michael Green. KAM Industries on Computer Dispatcher Pro. KAM Industries (http://www.kamind.com) S Helper Service (http://www.showcaseline.com/) Bill Wade from B.T.S. (http://www.btsrr.com/) Des Plaines Hobbies (http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/) MicroTech Scale Models (http://www.microtechscalemodels.com Bar Mills Scale Model Works http://www.barmillsmodels.com. Art Fahie Train-Safe. They produce products for a variety of scales including S. http://www.train-safe.com Vitachrome Graphics. http://www.vitachrome.com/vitacal QSI (http://www.qsindustries.com) Fantasonic Engineering "The Themepark People". http://www.fantasonics.com S scale bleachers-a kit from Dietrich Enterprises.Email:circus@... Atlas has jump headfirst into the DCC market with a new complete system,their website at http://www.atlasrr.com/dcc/welcome.asp. Soundtraxx, the company that makes Sound decoders for the DCC market, (http://www.soundtraxx.com) Another S scale product, S scale flashing Railroad crossing signal from N-Way products. http://www.nwayproducts.com Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9236	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/12/2000
Subject: Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates

Hi all, This showed up on another list I read, thought it was interesting info for modeling. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Sarlitto <sgauger2000@...> To: caseyjonesonline@egroups.com <caseyjonesonline@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: [caseyjonesonline] Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates >Stopped in at the Milwaukee Library and looked for some info on >passenger and utility cars. Found a few books with pics, but didn't >find anything that resembled the ones in the photos. Seems the more >popular topics are locomotives and toy train modeling. I did gather >some interesting dates concerning passenger cars. These are from a >two volume set - Passenger Cars by White. (can't remember the exact >title) > >1889- The Robbins steel passenger car is completed after a design >patented in 1868. > >1890 - Iron and steel reinforcing is devised to strengthen wooden car >construction. > >1904 - The first steel baggage car is delivered to the Erie. > >1905 - The first steel mail car enters service. > >1907 - The first production-model steel passenger car is built. > >1910 - Mass production of steel sleeping cars begins with Pullman's >Carnegie. > >1913 - The last wooden cars are ordered. > >1920 - In the entire passenger car fleet, 60% are still wooden. > >1923 - The first large order of aluminum passenger cars are completed >for the Illinois Central RR. > > >GS > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >caseyjonesonline-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9237	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates

This is not the right place for this, but I am going to shoot my mouth off anyway. The Otto Perry (photo) Collection in the Western History Collection of the Denver Public Library can be accessed through the Denver Public Library Website. You can scroll and view individual images from the collection in batches of 10 or so. My question is--can this be done with any other railroad info collections in any other library or similar facility anywhere, and if so, is there a directory of such accessess anywhere. Others that come to mind as "should be's" include The Barriger Collection at the St. Louis Mercantile Library, The Chicago Public Library, and who knows where else. DJE David Dewey wrote: > Hi all, > This showed up on another list I read, thought it was interesting info > for modeling. > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Sarlitto <sgauger2000@...> > To: caseyjonesonline@egroups.com <caseyjonesonline@egroups.com> > Date: Saturday, August 12, 2000 9:57 PM > Subject: [caseyjonesonline] Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates > > >Stopped in at the Milwaukee Library and looked for some info on > >passenger and utility cars. Found a few books with pics, but didn't > >find anything that resembled the ones in the photos. Seems the more > >popular topics are locomotives and toy train modeling. I did gather > >some interesting dates concerning passenger cars. These are from a > >two volume set - Passenger Cars by White. (can't remember the exact > >title) > > > >1889- The Robbins steel passenger car is completed after a design > >patented in 1868. > > > >1890 - Iron and steel reinforcing is devised to strengthen wooden car > >construction. > > > >1904 - The first steel baggage car is delivered to the Erie. > > > >1905 - The first steel mail car enters service. > > > >1907 - The first production-model steel passenger car is built. > > > >1910 - Mass production of steel sleeping cars begins with Pullman's > >Carnegie. > > > >1913 - The last wooden cars are ordered. > > > >1920 - In the entire passenger car fleet, 60% are still wooden. > > > >1923 - The first large order of aluminum passenger cars are completed > >for the Illinois Central RR. > > > > > >GS > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >caseyjonesonline-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9238	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: MTH smoke

In re-looking at the Oct. '99 Dispatch, I notice a comment about Bill Clark adapting an MTH smoke unit to an AF steamer. Bill, are you on e-mail? I think this conversion would be great for a Dispatch article. In the same issue, Jeff Madden suggests that the Walther's O scale car dealership and lumberyard might be adaptable to S scale. Has anybody tried this? How does it work out? (If you are on S-Trains, please cc: me directly with any reply that you send to S-Trains). Ted Larson Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9239	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re-Subscribe?

>>>>>>>>>Subject: Resubscribe Resubscribe to S-trains and S-scale - back from out West. Jeff<<<<<<<<< You DON'T need to unsubscribe when you leave town. Just go to the e-list website and set your membership option to "no mail". Switch back to regular or Digest when you return. Ted Larson Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9240	From: M.McConnell	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Here's a nice project. . .apology

I've learned a few things about the S-List in the last couple of days. . .you can't say oops. I owe Joe Messinger an apology for my inadvertent post to the S-List. My post was supposed to go to a few Flyer friends of mine and included a "tongue-in-cheek" reference to the amount of time and effort Joe put into his super-motor project. I am grateful for those who continue to support Gilbert products, and even more so to those who take the time to share and inform others. I did not mean to belittle Joe's work and accomplishment by my attempt at humor. I did recognize my error almost as soon as I hit enter, and deleted the message from the list, unfortunately, the digest has an awfully painful habit of not deleting a post. As I said. . .I learned something. Joe - keep those ideas coming, and just ignore the deadwood. Michael McConnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9241	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 13, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9242	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays

SUBJECT: S Gauge Displays That Are Open To The Public I am aware of several S-gauge displays that are open to the public as follows: * Ohio, Cincinnati--Cincinnati History Museum * New Hampshire, Bethlehem--Crossroads Of America * New Jersey, Clermont--Flyertown * Pennsylvania, Lancaster--All Aboard Railroad (December only) * Pennsylvania, Strasburg--TCA Toy Train Museum QUESTION 1: Is anybody aware of such a list of S gauge public displays that already exists? * QUESTION 2: (Assuming no to question 1) Can anybody tell me names/locations/phone/website if available-- of any additional S-gauge public displays you might be aware of ?? Thanks in advance. - Jim Ingram ----------------- Note: I have some links and pictures--where available--to the above displays in the August newsletter of the Susquehanna S-Gaugers, which is at http://www.trainweb.org/sss/newsletters/newsltr.ssg06.august2000.html (or use home page at http://www.track2.com/ssg if for some reason the above link does not work).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9243	From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr.	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays

Many years ago ('85?? or '86??) I was in the Indianapolis Childrens' Museum. On the top floor, along with a 12" = 1' carousel, there was an impressive RR layout (can't remember scale) and a huge static display of toy trains - lots of AF standard gauge. Anyone know what is status of that display? Should that be included in your list? -- Big Swede (aka Don Munsey, Jr.) UpperRightCorner of Louisiana StoryTeller, CopperSmith, S/Sn3 ModelRailroader & Bonsai grasshopper. A Recovering Forester, now teaching High School Mathematics!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9244	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] MTH smoke

Ted Larson wondered about the Walthers O scale gas station and lumber yard kits and their suitability for S. Haven't seen either of them and don't know what their footprint is. The only O scale kit I did was the Walthers oil tank depot which was a small shack (very oversized doors) and useable oil tanks etc and related details. However the tanks didn't fit together very well and I'm still trying to get enough putty and sanding to smooth them out. I have had more success with several HO kits including the Walthers Clarksville station. I put a cut stone foundation under it and installed a couple of Grandt Line double doors where the freight doors were. As well, a Rix store that was 36 by 36 foot square in HO. I extended the sides and replaced two of the doors with Grandt Line ones and made two others into rollups. Also some of the DPM HO kits can be easily converted into S by changing the doors. However none of them have outside details some as lights etc so I need to spend more time combing the parts lists. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9245	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke

Hi Ted, I am on E-mail. I'm not really sure about a dispatch article. The problem is that the idea was good, and it works fine, but my implementation was poor. I really need to re-implement, doing a better job. Bill At 01:50 PM 8/13/00 -0400, you wrote: >In re-looking at the Oct. '99 Dispatch, I notice a comment about Bill >Clark adapting an MTH smoke unit to an AF steamer. >Bill, are you on e-mail? I think this conversion would be great for a >Dispatch article. >Ted Larson >Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9246	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays

JamesIngram@... wrote: > SUBJECT: S Gauge Displays That Are Open To The Public > > I am aware of several S-gauge displays that are open to the public as > follows: try: http://www.travel.to/cofa Crossroads of America, Bethlehem NH > > > * Ohio, Cincinnati--Cincinnati History Museum > * New Hampshire, Bethlehem--Crossroads Of America > * New Jersey, Clermont--Flyertown > * Pennsylvania, Lancaster--All Aboard Railroad (December only) > * Pennsylvania, Strasburg--TCA Toy Train Museum > > QUESTION 1: Is anybody aware of such a list of S gauge public > displays that already exists? > > * QUESTION 2: (Assuming no to question 1) Can anybody tell me > names/locations/phone/website if available-- of any additional > S-gauge public displays you might be aware of ?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9247	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 721

Don't forget, the largest all gauge train show is coming up Sunday, August 20, 2000 in New Haven, CT. See <A HREF="www.AFSTrains.com">AFSTrains.com</A> Train Show page for more information. A.C. Gilbert Factory tour the day before is almost sold out. Call now for reservations or see the Factory Tour page at our website. Robin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9248	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke

Bill, Those are the exact reasons it will make a good article. You can tell us what NOT to do! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9249	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: NASG and promoting S

Hello all, Hmm. Glenn wrote"The S Scale digest is a worthless way to effect change. You just write to amuse yourselves and annoy others. My club members think these issues are a joke. Get on with the hobby." Does this mean that we are perceived as a few people standing up needlessly rocking the boat, irritating and scaring the rest of the passengers? What IS the purpose of the list, and what kinds of numbers are we? Maybe writing here has replaced modeling as our main hobby? I don't have any answers, I just found Glenn's statement rather disturbing. I hope my contributions here help to promote S as a size for enjoying miniature trains (all types). I certainly don't intend on them being destructive to the "family" (had to think about the right word there, hope that's the one). I look, or looked, upon this media as an effective way to communicate rather quickly to a world-wide audience. But perhaps we are a very small audience. Time to take a breather, and think about this. Suggest everyone do so before posting responses. Let us get a thoughtful thread going here (I even took the time to run this through spell check!). S'incerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9250	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke

OK, David, how about this? I'll send you the info, including pictures, of what I did. You come up with a better implementation, and write the article. Ok? Bill At 07:52 AM 8/14/00 -0700, David Dewey wrote: >Bill, > Those are the exact reasons it will make a good article. You can tell us >what NOT to do! >S' >David D. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9251	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH smoke

Bill Hmm, a challenge. Well, I can try. Not sure I'd come up with a "better implimentation" but I can try! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9252	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: New Haven Train Show

I will be at the New Haven Show and the factory tour. If you are there, please introduce yourself. I know I have met some of you in the past so don't be shy. I will be the guy with the Sony digital camera. Don't wait till Sunday afternoon, I need to catch a 4 o'clock flight. I am staying Saturday night at Utell International,NEW HAVEN,1157 CHAPEL STREET ,203-776-1234 feel free to leave a message. Hope to see you there. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9253	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: NASG Promotions

OK, since promotion of our favorite scale is a current subject again, Ron and Don, I have a question for you. I cc: this question to the e-lists for brainstorming purposes. Objective; get S scale (hi-rail or finescale) trains in front of the buying public's eyes, especially where they can be purchased. What if "Charlie's Train Shop" is sympathetic to S, and "Charlie" would be willing to have some complete sets (AM or SHS) on his shelf at Christmas, but is concerned about what if they don't sell? Do either of you take returns? Now for you on the cc: list; what if Charlie is so concerned that he does not want to have cash tied up in these sets. Are there clubs that would be willing to put up the front money to get the train sets on display at Charlies Hobby Shop? If they don't sell, perhaps the mfr will take them back; OR perhaps the club would keep them to put on display with their layout when they go to shows? (Maybe even make it available for sale........ or refer them to Charlie so that they can buy it from him..........) Would NASG help the mfr's with any losses that might accrue from this "speculative placement" of trains in hobby shops? Perhaps the assisting organization would also "earn" some of the profit from any sales the dealer makes? Ted Larson Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9254	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: on-line photos

Regarding the following message; somebody sent me a link to a photo section; I believe it was in the Minnesota Historical Society, or the Minnesota Transportation Museum. Sorry, I don't have the link at "my fingertips". Ted Larson Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. >>>>>>>>>>Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 07:41:51 -0500 From: ironhors@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Passenger Cars - Some Historical Dates This is not the right place for this, but I am going to shoot my mouth off anyway. The Otto Perry (photo) Collection in the Western History Collection of the Denver Public Library can be accessed through the Denver Public Library Website. You can scroll and view individual images from the collection in batches of 10 or so. My question is--can this be done with any other railroad info collections in any other library or similar facility anywhere...??? <<<<<<<<<< ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9255	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: O Scale

Somebody was talking about switching from O scale to S scale, and having O scale magazines to get rid of, and wanting S scale magazines in return. I recently heard that Joe Scales, long-time S modeler is leaving S for O, SO maybe you two could work a swap? Ted Larson Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9256	From: Ken Sunderland	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Please unsubscribe kencpa1@... Thank You! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9257	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: More Convention Pictures

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/sj_nasg/sj_index.html Thanks Glenn Ritter for sharing, I still have two or three pages worth from Glenn to do.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9258	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O Scale

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY O GUAGE RAILROADERS MAGAZINES FOR SALE OR TRADE.....NEED LOTS FROM RUN 5 THRU RUN 115...ALSO NEED MANY S GUAGIANS AND SOME S HERALDS...BOB CONNER Ted R Larson wrote: > Somebody was talking about switching from O scale to S scale, and having > O scale magazines to get rid of, and wanting S scale magazines in return. > I recently heard that Joe Scales, long-time S modeler is leaving S for > O, SO maybe you two could work a swap? > > Ted Larson > Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9259	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: Washington D.C. area

My husband and I will be in the Washington D.C. area next week (8/20-25) and would like to know where to find museums, train shops, etc. We will be staying near Tysons Corner. Thanks in advance for the info! Cheri and John Warner Auburn, Washington

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9260	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)

David Dewey wrote" Hmm. Glenn wrote"The S Scale digest is a worthless way to effect change. You just write to amuse yourselves and annoy others. My club members think these issues are a joke. Get on with the hobby." Well if they think it's such a joke they can click unsubscribe!!!!! As far as I'm concerned, the list has helped me as far as fixing my old trains, keep my interest in the s-gauge trains because I can get the help I need to fix them, Introduced me to manufacturers of s-gauge trains, enabled me to voice my opinion about new products they are making and thinking of making, and most importantly,I now have new friends across the country I never would have met without this group. A JOKE? I THINK NOT!!!!!! I don't think we need to worry aboutThe group folding because of one person negative opinion. Besides, opinions are like @$#%&^% and everyone has one! Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9261	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] NASG and promoting S

Hi Chris, You are right. The list has a very valid reason for existance. But a few S Scalers had very negative things to say on their list. My note was in response to their comments and should not have been taken out of context. Following is my last word on the matter. NASG secretary, Glenn Hi David, Keep up the fine work of writing for the Dispatch. If you are going to write an article on what makes S the right scale then let's get it published in MR, Model Railroad Craftsman, Model RR News, Classic Toy Trains or another national magazine. If they fail then S Gaugian has a larger readership than the Dispatch. So many scalers say the S Gaugian favors AF. At least the S Gaugian is seen by more people than the NASG Dispatch. True the Dispatch is given out at train shows but even that is limited. I've had other personal messages that were positive as well as a phone call last night. I can see that with 5 B.O.T. offices coming up for election then there is a chance to get more progressive thinkers at the top. I just hope some positive men will come forward. The most negative writers are a few scalers. We need to keep the board and committees in balance with Hi rail and Scale. I think AF itself should take a back seat. We want AF owners who will expand into Hi rail track and scale modeling but AF was Gilbert and that has been gone for 35 years. I don't see "L" as any help. We should promote American Models, S Helper and the many current manufacturers. S Helper, American Models and Scenery Unlimited do have a presence in Non-S publications as should regular spots by the NASG. The B.O.T. has been pushing for a full page regular spot in non S publications so we could feature smaller S manufacturers and modeled S layouts but a page costs $40,000 and up per year. Considering that overall the scale and AF car projects do keep current members involved and they do ultimately pay for themselves, they are not big profit makers. Our dues are what covers NASG expenses and $40,000 per year for one magazine is not there. We need more members but the flack on the S lists does not help. We are seen as divided. If the Scale members break off then they are too few to stand alone. Most Hi rail and scale members just want to enjoy their own layouts. The North Penn S Gaugers have 21 members, 1 Sn3, 3 scale, 4 hi rail and 13 AF operators/collectors. I would say that is about the way the country breaks down. Most will not join NASG or even buy magazines. They just like train shows and to run their trains. They like our club because there is no pressure. We have a modular layout that 10 members have built and setup. As NASG secretary, I am trying to get the records in order and document accurately what the NASG is doing. That is why when the B.O.T. as a whole is accused of whatever has been thrown at us the last 2 days I become upset. This is what the NASG By-Laws define as my responsibility. So in the future I would appreciate it if the members who are concerned would call or write the officers before they engage in public name calling. Sincerely, Glenn Ritter NASG Secretary David Dewey wrote: >Hi Glenn, >Myself, I think we need all kinds of >converts, and they will come from >many different places. I have been >pondering just what makes S the "right >Size" in today's world. Think I'll spend >some time writing a piece on it for >the Dispatch and the lists. Meantime, >I'd better get on my Dispatch article >or there'll be another issue without >my column in it! >S' >David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9262	From: louis glumac	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: 24558 xmas

Hi i need help, does anyone know what color the base of the xmas trees are that came with the 24558 canadian pacific car, thanks lou [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9263	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: S Hi-rail

In a recent e-mail on this list someone made the statement that no one would leave another scale to go into American Flyer or Hi-rail S gauge. I had been a S Scaler for allmost three years and then decided to go back into S hi-rail. I have converted all of my rolling stock to hi-rail wheel sets and SHS AF comptible couplers. My five American Models deiesel locos are now running with hi-rail wheel sets and couplers. For myself I find hi-rail easier to set up and operate, a S buddy of mine, Pete Hildenbrand, scratch builds rolling stock to contest quality standards, but runs on hi-rail wheel set and KD 802's couplers, operated over American Flyer tinplate track! I have a American Models GG-1 with scale wheel sets, any Hi-railer out there considering going to full scale contact me about making a wheel set swap. Remember the old NMRA promotion, "MODEL RAILROADING IS FUN"? I only operate one piece of AF, a NH stlye caboose, which has been converted to hi-rail, then scale, and now back to hi-rail. I have also scratch built three modern flat cars, two using articles by the late Ernie Horr. Now please be easy with the slings and arrows! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9264	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: NASG PROMOTING

I guess when you read the whole thing(posts), I can understand their argument. But to say the list is a joke is another story. I too would like to see more promo of the NASG.I don't think that the harsh criticism on the list is the way to effect change though.Hopefully, Everything will work it's way out with little harm to anyone's ego.If there is anything I could do to help, let me know. BTW, I was an N-scaler ,now an s-gauge semi-hi-railer. That is I use anything I can get my grubby little hands on. Flyer track, Gargraves,Dept. 56 houses, Flyer and Lionel Accesorries, you name it! It's all fun to me! Feel free to copy this over to the scale list if you like. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9265	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: PRR Torpedo

Which engine was the PRR Torpedo? Was it shown for the first time at the 1939 Worlds Fair? Was it this engine - - (Loewy streamlined K-4) <http://www.prrths.com/PRR_K4_HiLine.htm> How much did it weigh? Thanks for your help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9266	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail

I'm with you. I model using hirail wheels and AF couplers. However, I'm about ready to convert some of my hirail freight cars to Kadee couplers. Already have Kadees on my AM passenger cars and like them. TPDavis7@... wrote: > > In a recent e-mail on this list someone made the statement that no one would > leave another scale to go into American Flyer or Hi-rail S gauge. I had been > a S Scaler for allmost three years and then decided to go back into S > hi-rail. I have converted all of my rolling stock to hi-rail wheel sets and > SHS AF comptible couplers. My five American Models deiesel locos are now > running with hi-rail wheel sets and couplers. For myself I find hi-rail > easier to set up and operate, a S buddy of mine, Pete Hildenbrand, scratch > builds rolling stock to contest quality standards, but runs on hi-rail wheel > set and KD 802's couplers, operated over American Flyer tinplate track! I > have a American Models GG-1 with scale wheel sets, any Hi-railer out there > considering going to full scale contact me about making a wheel set swap. > Remember the old NMRA promotion, "MODEL RAILROADING IS FUN"? I only > operate one piece of AF, a NH stlye caboose, which has been converted to > hi-rail, then scale, and now back to hi-rail. I have also scratch built > three modern flat cars, two using articles by the late Ernie Horr. Now > please be easy with the slings and arrows! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9267	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail

>In a recent e-mail on this list someone made the statement that no one would >leave another scale to go into American Flyer or Hi-rail S gauge. I had been >a S Scaler for allmost three years and then decided to go back into S >hi-rail. I have converted all of my rolling stock to hi-rail wheel sets and >SHS AF comptible couplers. Now >please be easy with the slings and arrows! Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC Quite the contrary. You are bringing attention to the fact that there is some terrific modelling being done for highrail layouts. I remember from my own highrail days how well the equipment operated. Sometimes rivet counters get swallowed up in their own perfectionism and don't see past their micrometers. Go for it! Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9268	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail

FWIW I used a mix of Kadee #5's and #802's with highrail wheels for years and had excellent results both in appearance and in good operation. The 802's and 5's mate ok if the heights are properly kept to. Roy - >I'm with you. I model using hirail wheels and AF couplers. However, I'm >about ready to convert some of my hirail freight cars to Kadee couplers. >Already have Kadees on my AM passenger cars and like them. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9269	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail

Now's a good time to ask. I have a pile of SHS highrail wheels I would like to swap for SHS scale wheels. Any takers? Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9270	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Run trains this weekend

Hey Everyone, The Virginia Central Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers will be running at the GATS show at the Virginia State Fairgrounds this weekend. Ya'll come and bring trains to run. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9271	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels

A few years after we introduced the RTR Showcase Line series of freight cars (that included both types of wheels), I noticed an increase in our sales of KD-802 couplers. I told Robin (who had taken over all of our customer service the year before) that it was an indication of an increase of people who are now modeling with code 110 wheels. She laughed and told me how out of touch I was with our customers. I then found out that as many (if not more) of our AF compatible wheel friends had started using the KD-802s as we had code 110 customers. Live and learn (also, I think that Robin knows more than Don). -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9272	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels

Those highrailers are pretty smart folks. The oversize AF coupler is pushing the envelope a bit, but wheel flanges that are slightly oversized are not only better performers, but they don't look all that bad IMHO. I went to code 100 and that's the only reason that I stopped using highrail wheels and went to code 110 wheels. Roy -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> To: Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...> Cc: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com>; S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels > A few years after we introduced the RTR Showcase Line series of freight >cars (that included both types of wheels), I noticed an increase in our sales >of KD-802 couplers. I told Robin (who had taken over all of our customer >service the year before) that it was an indication of an increase of people >who are now modeling with code 110 wheels. She laughed and told me how out of >touch I was with our customers. I then found out that as many (if not more) >of our AF compatible wheel friends had started using the KD-802s as we had >code 110 customers. > Live and learn (also, I think that Robin knows more than Don). > >-- Don Thompson >S Helper Service Inc. >http://www.showcaseline.com >1.800.465.0303 >40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! >http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9273	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels

Dear Roy, The "modern" American Flyer compatible wheelsets (read non-ACG or Lionel AF) will operate very nicely on code 100 track (but, not through the switches made to the NASG code 110 standards). Don T. Roy Hoffman wrote: > Those highrailers are pretty smart folks. The oversize AF coupler is pushing > the envelope a bit, but wheel flanges that are slightly oversized are not > only better performers, but they don't look all that bad IMHO. I went to > code 100 and that's the only reason that I stopped using highrail wheels and > went to code 110 wheels. > > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > To: Roy Hoffman <rhoffman@...> > Cc: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com>; S-Trains@onelist.com > <S-Trains@onelist.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:33 PM > Subject: Re: KD-802s and American Flyer comp. wheels > > > A few years after we introduced the RTR Showcase Line series of freight > >cars (that included both types of wheels), I noticed an increase in our > sales > >of KD-802 couplers. I told Robin (who had taken over all of our customer > >service the year before) that it was an indication of an increase of people > >who are now modeling with code 110 wheels. She laughed and told me how out > of > >touch I was with our customers. I then found out that as many (if not > more) > >of our AF compatible wheel friends had started using the KD-802s as we had > >code 110 customers. > > Live and learn (also, I think that Robin knows more than Don). > > > >-- Don Thompson > >S Helper Service Inc. > >http://www.showcaseline.com > >1.800.465.0303 > >40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > >http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9274	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 722

The S-Trains Digest is a good thing for all. Lots of helping hands out there for those that need them. Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9275	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: flanges and couplers

I use A C Gilbert flanges and couplers. I'm quite satisfied with them. While it's true that the knuckle couplers are oversize, this has never bothered me. My interest in trains, real and model, comes from my early childhood. To a little boy, a real coupler looks HUGE. So the large sized couplers have always felt right. Wheel flanges do not show much. In my view, the smaller flanges found on SHS, AM, and Pacific Rail cars are an unfortunate mistake. I have not been able to get these cars to stay on the track very well, especially when being backed up, and assume the smaller flanges have something to do with the problem. And of course, the smaller flanges do not trip the AF #696 track trip, the most common Flyer track trip. Actually, I feel that it is somewhat misleading to call these smaller flanges "Flyer Compatible". They aren't very compatible with my Flyer! While they do OK with can motored locos and sophisticated DC power, they don't offer enough redundancy to deal with the stops and starts caused by 50 year old locos and young operators. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9276	From: Bobby T Bryan,Jr.	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Washington D.C. area

Dear Cheri and John, There is an excellent shop that has electric trains that is located in downtown DC. It is located inside a business called the Downtown Lock and Key. They had a good selection of AF 'S' items. The business is listed in the DC phone directory. Bobby T. Bryan, Jr.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9277	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] flanges and couplers

Tom, I use the S-helper cars with my old Flyer trains and have had no problems at all. I have run these on Gargraves with Flyer switches, AF track with same switches and on our club layout which uses american Models track and the same size switches(code size ) and have never had a problem with derailments.And I have put a lot of hours of running in with these combinations without derailments. Maybe the wheels aren't set to gauge quite right? Just a thought! Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9278	From: Arden Goehring	Date: 8/15/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail wheels

----- Original Message ----- From: Arden Goehring <arden@...> To: <S-Scale@egroups.com>; <S-Trains@onelist.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Hi-rail wheels > I also have high rail wheels to trade for scale. Contact offlist. > > Arden > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9279	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Wanted Ideas for an article for Atomic Magazine

In the Summer edition of Atomic Magazine there is a nice article celebrating the first 100 years of model trains however it is all about (sorry guys) Lionel Trains. It has a few nice pictures also. Does anyone have any creative writing skills out there to get something together for them to publish about American Flyer and the segway to modern S Gauge????Contact me or fire right to the magazine with your Idea for articals.www.Atomicmag.com Just for your knowledge, It is a Magazine that focuses on the Retro Culture, Big Bands music reviews, Swing Music, Swing Dancing,Rockabilly, Hot Rods, Bowling Retro, Dressing retro,anything Fun from the Past that people Can do in present day. David Dalessandro Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 Fax: 1.215.761.4336 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity of whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9280	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 24558 xmas

Hi Lou, Well, mine are the same color as the trees, a combination of green & brown, as I recall (car is buried in a closet). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9281	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: HOBBY STORES DISTRIBUTING, INC.

To All. Hobby stores Distributing, Inc. will no longer be carrying my decals. So now all dealers must order from Western Star, Train Center or from me. Dealers please go to my web site to see dealers & wholesale listing. Just follow the link below. updated August 16, 2000 Authorized Dealers & Distributors http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/dealusa.html If you would like to know why, please email me off list. HOBBY STORES DISTRIBUTING, INC. - 333 PARK AVE. EAST HARTFORD, CT 06108 -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9282	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Pet Pieve

I have the "perfect" answer. Everyone who is model railroading should be accepted. Scale as used by most people only means rail size and flange size. I run hirail with kadees, hirail w/flyer compatible huge knuckles, some AF thrown in along with 3 AM diesels running scale flanges on Flyer track. Everything is OK! We just have to learn not to pontificate to each other about what's "right". Scalers wouldn't have much product selection without hirailers. I believe if you try to create a model railroad and make it as realistic as you find reasonable then you're a bona-fide model railroader whether you run Flyer or scale. If you have excellent models on bare track with no scenery then you don't have a model railroad, just models of railroad equipment. Being model railroaders is what binds us all together. I don't understand why so many scale modelers are so exclusionary of hirailers and Flyer people. If you want to promote S Scale as a size you should welcome anyone who wants to try any flavor of S. The more people in S the more we all benefit. Ted R Larson wrote: > > >Is an American Flyer box car with Proto :64 wheels and Sergent couplers, > >and no other modifications, a scale model? > >Just a few thing to consider when trying to define what is and isn't > >S-Scale. > > > >Be seeing you... > >Rich G. > > Hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, caution, Rich exposes another sticky wicket! > > Many people in S have long been using the terms scale and gauge > differently than most of the rest of the railroad hobby uses them (please > correct me on any errors here). Gauge refers to the distance between the > rails. Scale refers to the size of our models relative to the real > world. Therefore we are all "gaugers". Some of us run standard gauge. > Some of us run narrow gauge. > Also, we are all scalers; S scalers; we model in S scale, 1:64th of > prototype size. > > So how to differentiate us from AF and hi-rail, and why do I bring this > up? We have been talking promotions, and how to make modelers from other > scales welcome. I think that mis-using the terms scale and gauge is > counter-productive to that. I don't know the "right" alternative, but > some of the hobby uses the term finescale for models that use correctly > scaled trucks and couplers, so that is my first thought on how we should > describe ourselves. We could also refer to toy trains vs model trains, > not a perfect delineation, but probly close. If we use hi-rail and scale > to refer ONLY to trucks and couplers, that would be an improvement. > > Well, anybody out there know the perfect answer to this? > > Ted Larson > Sacred Cows Make the Best Burgers. > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9283	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: 21234

I recently purchased a 21234 GP7 with a stamped date of 1958 on the inside. Most books say this was made in either 1959 or 1960. Any thoughts on this? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9284	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 8/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 722

The operating layout at the Indianapolis Childrens Museum was really two layouts. There was a very large O guage and a smaller HO. A Model Railroad club ran them and I seem to recall hearing that they were having trouble keeping the layouts supplied with operators. It has been well over a year since I have been to the museum and I do not know if the layouts are still there. That section of the museum was being remodeled. The static display, which is mostly pre-war, represents all maunfacturers and I have heard it claimed to be the largest collection of pre-war on public display. It has been moved from the fifth floor by the operating layouts to the first floor around the museum's unusual PRR 0-10-0 hill climber, the Reuben Wells (This locomotive was designed specifically to work the steepest piece of standard guage track in the US: the Madison hill in Madison, Indiana. The hill, which was abandoned about 15 years ago, but still has the track in place, is over a mile of almost 6% through narrow cuts in the limestone bluffs above the Ohio River). This new display for the toy trains is cramped, busy and in my opinion, poorly organiszed, which is a shame because the old fifth floor display was fantastic. > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 04:57:34 -0500 > From: "Donald E. Munsey, Jr." <dmunsey@...> > Subject: Re: Wanted: Names Of S Ga. Public Displays > > Many years ago ('85?? or '86??) I was in the Indianapolis Childrens' Museum. On > the top floor, along with a 12" = 1' carousel, there was an impressive RR layout > (can't remember scale) and a huge static display of toy trains - lots of AF > standard gauge. Anyone know what is status of that display? Should that be > included in your list? > -- > Big Swede (aka Don Munsey, Jr.) UpperRightCorner of Louisiana > StoryTeller, CopperSmith, S/Sn3 ModelRailroader & Bonsai grasshopper. > A Recovering Forester, now teaching High School Mathematics!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9285	From: James Roberts	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Wheels

Hi Gang, It seems that many of you do just fine on Flyer track with the "Flyer Computable" wheels. You forget that Tom Jarco lives in New York City and runs his "toy trains" in the way many of us did years ago. He uses Flyer track, on the floor, set up when the trains are to run, then taken up and put away. ACG tried a smaller wheel flange, then went back to the toy size so that the trains could be run in this manner. I've seen portable layouts set up. The most time in setting up is to get the joints between sections to be smooth so the trains will operate. Now think about Flyer track that is not fastened down, and you will see why he said he needs the large wheel flange to run properly. Those of us that have the luxury of a more permanent layout can use the new. Perhaps with all SHS track, we'd be able to set it up, take it down over and over. I'm not sure as the track is too new, but Tom has a point for the way he operates. J. Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9286	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The "Perfect" Answer?

Rich has hit on the perfect solution. He has a good answer and then makes adjustments based on listening to his partner in the conversation. Listening is essential to the making of a persuasive argument. His statesmanlike solution should be an example to all of us. Remember the residents of Lilliput and their debate about which end of the egg to open - big end or little end? To everyone other than the Lilliputians, it is silly and that is also true of the exaggeration of the 'differences' between the various denominations of the church of S. I have opinions about scale guys (I'm mostly one of them), toy collectors, high-railers, tin-platers, proto-scalers, fine-scalers and the philosophies behind them. Please reply offline if anyone is interested in those opinions. I have my doubts. All of the philosophies are respectable. When I spend time with aficionados of other scales or modes, all of us S guys look alike to them. Why don't we look alike to each other? I'm still not happy that the s-scale and s-trains lists have split. I get a great many double postings because I refuse to be pigeon-holed in just one group. Luckily, most members use the subject line and I can save time by using the delete key. Finally, we should remember that there is a difference between marketing specific products and promulgating the general benefits of the size. A company with stuff to sell must work from a sharply focused perspective: "Sell what we have!" When we want to promote the size, we need to be much less sharply focused. In fact, we want to encourage the manufacturers to make products that are adaptable to multiple uses. YourS in S, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> To: SScale <S-Scale@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: [S-Scale] The "Perfect" Answer? >My solution: > >I have begun to just say "S". I'm making a conscious attempt to leave >the scale/gauge terminology controversy out of my chosen hobby. > >If the listener makes the correlation with American Flyer, no big deal, >I simply respond: "It's not just for American Flyer anymore." > >I then narrow the definition as needed. > >Well, OK. It's not perfect, but it's the way I'm trying to approach >the matter. > >Be seeing you... >Rich G. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9287	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: wheels

Exactly. Possibly. I am a fanatic about my trackwork being level and all curves being properly laid. I check tangents with a 30/60/90 degree triangle, the angles produced by one, two, or three curved sections. Fortunately, I have enough track and switches to be able to remove and replace any defective track section or switch, or cut any odd sized piece necessary. I never let wires passing under the rails alter the rail height. I dress down any uneven rail joints with a mill file to protect my pul-mor tires. And any track section (with roadbed) that moves around too much gets fastened down with a few discreet shots from a staple gun on the far side (don't tell my wife!). Therefore, I think my track compares with that on a permanent layout. One of two things is happening here: either the new flanges are too small, or else there is some pecularity in they way I set up my trains that I haven't identified yet. Maybe my floor is crooked. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9288	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: New Haven Show

Let's see, Bill Clark, Dave Garber, John & Robin , Tom (Heritage) and Don Thompson will be there. Anybody else? How about John Foley, Craig Connell, Doug Peck? Us list folks need to be sure and take advantage of these non-virtual meetings. See you Saturday at the Factory tour & show setup , and on Sunday till about 2pm. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9289	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: single switch controller

Did AF make a remote switch controller with only one lever and set of red/green lights? Thanks for your help with this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9290	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: A. C. Gilbert Desendants

I recently read a copy of "The Man Who Lives in Paradise". The book more less ends around 1959 or so. I would be interested in knowing if there are decendants of A.C. Gilbert and if so does the house on the hill, etc. still exist. Are the decendants aware of the legacy of Gilbert products? Does anyone know? Just curious. Thanks, Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9291	From: Bill Clark	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven Show

Bill Frazier from the Bristol Club and this list will be there. I'm pretty sure Doug will be there with his booth. Anyone who hasn't seen Doug's stuff should check it out. He has a lot of AF parts and rolling stock/accessories, etc. But he also has a great stock of SHS, AM, Port lines, etc equipment. Well worth taking a look. There will be a couple of other Bristol folks there, at our layout, if you get a chance to stop by. Don Hasenzahl, who has the great hirail layout I posted pictures of on the Bristol website will be there. Also Tommy Robichaud, who did the operating crane car and put an MTH smoke unit in an AF GP9, Helen Lenart, and I think Dick Connors. I'll also have my "Super Smoke" K5 Pacific with an MTH smoke unit in it. The layout is all DCC controlled. We expect to have a TV camera mounted in a PA unit for engineer eye views of the operation. Stop by and say hello! Bill At 02:27 PM 8/17/00 EDT, you wrote: >Let's see, >Bill Clark, Dave Garber, John & Robin , Tom (Heritage) and Don Thompson will >be there. >Anybody else? > >How about John Foley, Craig Connell, Doug Peck? > >Us list folks need to be sure and take advantage of these non-virtual >meetings. > >See you Saturday at the Factory tour & show setup , and on Sunday till about >2pm. > >Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com >Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9292	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

560 Soo Line single bay airslide. (12-80) Painted white. 27 inch SOO LINE green lettering. All other lettering black. Walthers or Eastern Car works kit. Set will letter 2 cars. #series 69200-? 561 Soo Line GP38-2 Large 48 inch SOO red lettering & 10 inch numbers. All other lettering black & white. Atheran kit. Set will letter 1 unit. #series 790-796 (1977) 797-799 (1978) 4400-4409 (late 1979) Special thanks to the SLHTS for info. 562 Peoria & Pekin Union Railway Company 52' gondola. (3-98) Painted black. Walthers kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White & blue lettering. DDJ white & blue logo. #series 9100-9199. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9293	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: single switch controller

Yes. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9294	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Trains] single switch controller

Yes it did David. I have one here that I purchased at a train show not too long ago. It came with a single RH turnout. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... [mailto:david_horn@...] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:31 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] single switch controller Did AF make a remote switch controller with only one lever and set of red/green lights? Thanks for your help with this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9295	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] A. C. Gilbert Desendants

Colin, About two years ago I was working at Portola RR Museum, sanding away, preparing for paint when a gentlemen came by, curious about the "Made by Gilbert" on the sides of our Alco FA (Gee, how'd that get there????). Turns out he is a nephew of ACG, and is well-aware of his heritage. Was neat talking to him about the family house, and all the trains he remembers. Somehow I've lost track of his name and address, but he sure made my week! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9296	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: NEW HAVEN SHOW

I really enjoyed my first visit to New Haven two years ago. August has turned into Southeastern Pennsylvania S Gauge picnic month. Next year I will schedule better. John & Robin, what is the date for next years Gilbert tour? Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn >New Haven Show >Let's see, Bill Clark, Dave Garber, >John & Robin , Tom (Heritage) and >Don Thompson will be there. Anybody else? >Paul Yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9297	From: Peck	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] New Haven

<<Let's see, Bill Clark, Dave Garber, John & Robin , Tom (Heritage) and Don Thompson will be there. Anybody else? How about John Foley, Craig Connell, Doug Peck? >> SURE! We'll be set-up there in full force on Sunday! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9298	From: Peck	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] ACG descendants

<<I would be interested in knowing if there are decendants of A.C. Gilbert and if so does the house on the hill, etc. still exist. Are the decendants aware of the legacy of Gilbert products? Does anyone know? Just curious. >> There sure are, and indeed they are aware. Over the past few years, one of the neat "features" of the New Haven Train Show which John and Robin Vanacore coordinate has been a chance to meet and hear from Gilbert descendants as well as former factory employees. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9299	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: single lever control

Thanks everyone for your help on this. One last question - - how wide is a single-lever controller? I have limited space for it and knowing in advance whether I'll have enough room will help a lot with my purchase decision. Thanks, again.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9300	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: PRR Torpedo

I know this isn't exactly S-Gauge stuff, other than relating somewhat to the recent release of AM's streamlined PRR K-4, but thought you might be interested. If not, skip this message. Below is some great info I was referred to on an informative PRR focused site. Thanks for all your help too. It looks as though Lionel confused a few things in their third of three Railway Adventures by citing the 1939 Worlds Fair, but associating that event with a blue PRR Torpedo engine (a name tied to Loewy's 1935 designed streamlined K-4, which I don't think was ever done in blue)instead of the S-1 that was at the 1939 and 1940 Worlds Fairs. Oh well, it's a kids story and fun. At least they got it right that it was the largest (at least longest) engine ever built. Now if I only knew how much the S-1 weighed. The story book says over 1 million pounds. I thought that was a lofty spec only the Big Boy could rightfully claim. ================================== PRR S-1 (6-4-4-6) 6100 In 1939 the PRR built their first duplex-drive locomotive. The shrouding was designed by Raymond Loewy. During the first two summers of its existence (1939-40), 6100 was displayed under steam at the New York Worlds Fair. Its drivers were supported by rollers which allowed the drivers to turn (under steam) so that the fair goers could watch. During this period, the tender was lettered "AMERICAN RAILROADS". If you look closely at the front of the locomotive, above the frame and below the smoke box shroud, you will see an air horn. Was it successful? While being an impressive puller (it could haul a 1200 ton train at 100 mph), the 6100 turned out to be too long for most of the PRR trackage and turntables. It ended up in service only between Chicago and Crestline, OH. Even so, the 6100 proved to be both a public relations success (the 6100 was featured in several calendars and very well publicized) as well as a great learning tool for the T-1s that would be designed later. 6100 was taken out of service in 1944 (after only four years of service) and scrapped in 1949. To really appreciate how long this locomotive was, you must first have a frame of reference. Consider the Big Boy. The Big Boy was generally considered to be the "largest" steam locomotive ever. It was over 132 feet long. Unlike the Big Boy, the S-1 was not an articulated locomotive, yet, it was a whopping 140 feet long! I don't know what its designers were thinking, but the length of this locomotive was partly to blame for its failure.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9301	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] single switch controller

RE: [S-Trains] single switch controllerSure thing Dave. The enclosure measures 1-3/16 x 3-7/8 inches. -- Alex -----Original Message----- From: David_Horn@... [mailto:David_Horn@...] Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:20 AM To: alexm@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] single switch controller Alex, Can you tell me how wide the controller is? How long it is would be nice as well, but I'm limited mainly in terms of width of the space to accomodate this unit. Thanks. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Alex Mendelsohn [mailto:alexm@...] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:08 PM To: david_horn@... Subject: RE: [S-Trains] single switch controller Yes it did David. I have one here that I purchased at a train show not too long ago. It came with a single RH turnout. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... [mailto:david_horn@...] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:31 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] single switch controller Did AF make a remote switch controller with only one lever and set of red/green lights? Thanks for your help with this. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9302	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: A Bizarre note about scales

Hi Brethren, I've been reading with interest the notes in this round concerning Promoting S. It got me to thinking (always dangerous) and the thinking drove me to the following observations about scales. Read it at your own risk...... A note on Model railroad scales and relationships therein There seem to be two series of scales that are internally related through a simple mathematical rule. First, there is the series that starts historically with Lionel standard gauge. These trains are very much in the tradition of toy trains. That is, they are caricatures of the real thing rather than scale models. None of that detracts from their appearance, it is just that they look toy-like or 'cartoon-like'. The nominal scale for these trains is 1:24. Currently, there are also some popular models built to almost the same scale. These are the narrow-gauge models grouped under the umbrella G scale. The common scales for these trains are 1:20.3, 1:22.4 and a few at 1:24. Trains of this size have been produced new for most of the 20th century. There was a hiatus from 1942 through the early 1960's. Currently, G scale and Standard gauge are experiencing significant growth. If you see a Mike's Train House Blue Comet (or better yet, lift one) you'll know that these are substantial trains. The second scale in the first series is O scale. The scale is 1:48 or very close to 1/2 the size of the first group. This scale has been very popular in the toy or tinplate market, the 'sort of' scale market (Lionel O and O27) and the scale market. O is regarded by many as the 'king of scales' because it is large and maybe because they have had cards printed that said so. Divide by about 2 one more time and you get HO scale at 1:87.1. This scale has been the most popular scale train for model railroaders for 40 or 50 years and it also has some toy train presence. It is really too small for the kiddies. Finally, divide by about 2 one more time and you get N scale at 1:160. This is the second most popular scale for model railroaders and manufacturers. Curiously, an N scale train is a good representation of a G scale model of a backyard live steamer (at 7 1/2-inch gauge). That is, N is suitable as a scale model on a model railroad. The second series has been around for just about as long, but it has not been as widely accepted by model railroaders and toy buyers. It starts out with number 1 gauge trains at 1:32. Trains of this scale have been produced and marketed nearly as long (or perhaps longer in Europe) as the slightly larger 1:24 trains. There are fine examples of toy trains and of scale models. But, it has never been nearly as popular as the corresponding scale from the other series. Divide the scale by 2 and get the (clearly ideal) S scale at 1:64. There is not room enough here to describe the virtues of the scale, especially since the marketplace has not accepted the scale much better than it has number 1 gauge. Divide by about 2 again and you get TT scale at 1:120. These trains have been produced nearly as long as HO trains and they started at about the same time. Yet, the scale has never caught on as a force in our hobby nor in the marketplace. Finally, divide by about 2 once more to produce Z scale at 1:220. Two excellent manufacturers (Marklin and Micro-Trains) who have both produced attractive, high-quality and remarkable items have produced these trains. Yet, this scale has not caught on to any great degree. The first and much more successful series of scales are 1:24, 1:48, 1:87, and 1:160. The second and less successful series of scales are 1:32, 1:64, 1:120 and 1:220. They interlock like the white keys and the black keys on a piano keyboard. I don't see anything concrete nor do I imagine anything mystical that explains why the one group is so much more 'accepted' than the other is. Yet, there it is. I wonder why. An Old Math Teacher and now . YourS in S, Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9303	From: M.McConnell	Date: 8/18/2000
Subject: Re: single switch controller

Yes they did - I have two of 'em. I think Gilbert sold a single switch/controller as a siding switch, not all switches were sold in pairs. >>>> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:31:21 -0400 From: david_horn@... Subject: single switch controller Did AF make a remote switch controller with only one lever and set of red/green lights? Thanks for your help with this. <<<<

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9304	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: A Bizarre note about scales

Bill Porter wrote: >A note on Model railroad scales and relationships therein Excellent work, Bill. These numerical relationships have been clanging around the back of my head for some time, but I have never stepped back far enough from the forest to see the trees. Yours is the view from space and I think you have nailed down the two major scale groups very well. This division in scales is not just limited to trains. Look at scale models of planes, ships, just about anything, and you will find this anomaly. When I was a kid and building car models most all were 1/24 scale. Yet certain foreign race cars came only in 1/32. My first slot cars were also 1/32. The exceptions to the rule seem to be in the areas of die-cast heavy machinery where 1/50, 1/55, 1/60, and 1/120 and 1/240 appear frequently. I believe that these smaller scales are used to make the sizes of the equipment manageable. Why they start at 1/50 and then vary minutely to 1/55 or 1/60 is beyond me. Interestingly, there is precious little die cast heavy equipment in exactly 1/48, but there is a significant amount in 1/64. Manufacturers of diecast automobiles have split the field into 1/48 and 1/64. How convenient for train guys, especially since these vehicles are considered to be collectible independent of trains. You mention that N gauge trains would make excellent G gauge representatives on a train layout. What scale would that layout be, G? Great job. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9305	From: busy-boy	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: A Bizarre note about scales

Additional to the previous note: One reason that 1/48 scale and the other scales of its class may have had some initial popularity is that most architectural drawings and plans are done in 1/4" to the foot (or it's close relation, 1/2" to the foot). I suppose that the temptation to build a model directly from the plans is a strong one (and is often done by architects). Plans are seldom, if ever, drawn in 3/16" to the foot. An exception is the practice of "Model Railroader" magazine to do it's "Paint Shop" plans in 1/64. It is apparently a suitable size for magazine pages. Try it out. Take a magazine and place your trains across the centerfold. They fit! 22go, CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9306	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A Bizarre note about scales

Michael wrote: I know it sounds like I am only pushing SHS, but right now, SHS is the LGB of S in that it is ALL in the box, trains, track & power, just like the LGB (G scale ) starter sets. It has the only printed catalaoge that I know of this available in S (shades of the ACG ?). We need NEW blood, not transfusions from other scales. Much as I like SHS, too, don't leave out AM. Did you see their boffo full page color ad in the Model Railroad News. It was the same one they ran in the Dispatch about their RI lineup, but this was to the bigger Model Railroading audience. They have complete sets reasonable priced and track, too. I like to think of AM and SHS as the twin towers of S. Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9307	From: john foley	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: New Haven

Message: 2 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:36:20 -0400 From: "Peck" <portlines@...> Subject: Re: New Haven <<Let's see, Bill Clark, Dave Garber, John & Robin , Tom (Heritage) and Don Thompson will be there. Anybody else? How about John Foley, Craig Connell, Doug Peck? Hi Folks I can't make it, But Bill Fuhrman will be there with the NASG table. John Foley >> SURE! We'll be set-up there in full force on Sunday! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9308	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert Year Book

In the bottom of a box of trains purchased from the flea market I found a "GILBERT YEAR BOOK" 1923 Edition 5 1/4" X 6 3/4" 96 pages, 9 subjects, Radio, magic, sports, chemistry and engineering, all subjects have with text and pictures. Have you seen this book before? Do you have any idea how many years it was printed? Any information would be helpful Thanks Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9309	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: scratchbuilt freight cars

Alex, The first Ernie Horr car I built was described in the July/August 1981, S GAUGAIN. It was a BN center beam flat car. The second car, another center beam flat car, different, yet similar to the other car, was built from Ernie's article in the April, 1994 DISPATCH. The third car I built from plans published in a issue of MODEL RAILROADER. The skills that I picked up from building two of Ernie's cars, allowed me to build this thrid car directly from the plans. It is a 63'5" CP Rail's side-stake pulpwood flatcar. Ernie had two other articles in the DISPATCH that I know of, April, 1999, a steel braced plywood chip car and December, 1995, a 50'FMC covered hopper. This last car is kind of interesting, Ernie used a PRS ACF 3-bay covered hopper as a start, then bashed into the FMC car! In the book, "Your Introduction to S Gauge" by Don Heimburger there are pictures of the following cars that Ernie built, a Rail Box boxcar, Spokane Int'l covered hopper, and his Burlington Northern lumber flat. I wonder how many other articles by Ernie are out there? Take care. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9310	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: A Bizarre note about scales

Hi Chris, The model railroad would be G and the model on the model would be close to 1/8th. Close is the best we can do. If we consider G to be 1:20.3 (as I believe the Bachman Shay is) then 1/8th of that is real close to 1:160. A lot of live steamers use 7 1/2 inch gauge and that figures out to about 1:8 scale. At least, that was my thinking. We can make a case for Z being the proper size if we look at Lionel and MTH Standard Gauge. One-eight of them (at 1:24) is 1:192 and is not too far from 1:220. There are some very nice steamers in Z. LGB G stuff is 1:22.4 which is somewhere between. It would be fun to have a loop of Z or N on a larger layout with 1/24th people sitting on the trains as they run around. Thanks for the comments, Bill -----Original Message----- From: busy-boy <busy-boy@...> To: slist <S-Trains@egroups.com> Cc: wpporter@... <wpporter@...> Date: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: A Bizarre note about scales >Bill Porter wrote: >>A note on Model railroad scales and relationships therein > >Excellent work, Bill. These numerical relationships have been clanging >around the back of my head for some time, but I have never stepped back far >enough from the forest to see the trees. Yours is the view from space and I >think you have nailed down the two major scale groups very well. > >This division in scales is not just limited to trains. Look at scale models >of planes, ships, just about anything, and you will find this anomaly. When >I was a kid and building car models most all were 1/24 scale. Yet certain >foreign race cars came only in 1/32. My first slot cars were also 1/32. > >The exceptions to the rule seem to be in the areas of die-cast heavy >machinery where 1/50, 1/55, 1/60, and 1/120 and 1/240 appear frequently. I >believe that these smaller scales are used to make the sizes of the >equipment manageable. Why they start at 1/50 and then vary minutely to >1/55 or 1/60 is beyond me. Interestingly, there is precious little die cast >heavy equipment in exactly 1/48, but there is a significant amount in 1/64. >Manufacturers of diecast automobiles have split the field into 1/48 and >1/64. How convenient for train guys, especially since these vehicles are >considered to be collectible independent of trains. > >You mention that N gauge trains would make excellent G gauge representatives >on a train layout. What scale would that layout be, G? > >Great job. > >Two to go, >Chris Zizzo > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9311	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9312	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/19/2000
Subject: Ertl Farm stuff 1/64th

It all started with a Ertl Cow Town!! I can't stop!! Never knew they made so many different sets for the little darlings!! Not sure what I'm going to do with all the sets I'm finding on ebay!! Slowly building a "Ertl" town!! I love the little figures,... cowboys, farmers, horses, steers, cows, pigs, chickens!!! They even made a county fair set. Please tell me that I'm not the only one with this Ertl fetish!! When will the madness stop?? I guess I'll let my daughter play with 'em until I expand my layout!! Hope to be a chat Sunday,......I have missed the last few. For some reason, I miss it. Well,...except for Dewey! (He knows that I'm kidding!) Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9313	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: A BIZARRE NOTE ABOUT SCALES

As an Architect, I design custom homes at 1/4" per foot which fit very well on a 24" x 36" sheet of mylar. Commercial buildings are drawn at 1/8" per foot which also fit on a 24" x 36" sheet. Larger building plans are drawn at 1/16" per foot. When I was 12 and 13 years old I drew houses and built balsa wood models of them at 1/8" per foot but I never became involved in HO model railroading. Today with digital copiers we can convert drawings to 3/16" for S scale model building. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Subject: Re: A Bizarre note about scales Additional to the previous note: One reason that 1/48 scale and the other scales of its class may have had some initial popularity is that most architectural drawings and plan are done in 1/4" to the foot (or it's close relation, 1/2" to the foot). I suppose that the temptation to build a model directly from the plans is a strong one (and is often done by architects). Plans are seldom, if ever, drawn in 3/16" to the foot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9314	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Ringing Bell

I recently acquired my first A.F. engine (21234) with a ringing bell. However, I need some help here. First, why is it supposed to ring only when going slow speeds? What keeps it from ringing all the time? Is there supposed to be a spring attached to the gong arm? If so, mine is missing. Is the gong copper arm supposed to be straight or slightly bent? Any assistance would be appreciated as I try to learn how this gadget works. Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9315	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] A Bizarre note about scales

My AM Superliner set that I bought a few years ago came with a ready to run loop of sectional AM track and a set of power leads ready to hook to a power supply.. I think later AM Superliner sets advertized a power supply also, but don't know if this was a one time promo or forever. "Michael A. Scivoletti" wrote: > > Roy & all, > > I am not leaving out AM, but for one reason. The AM starter sets as > far as I know (I believe they have 2, a freight and an Amtrak Passenger) do > NOT have all the parts for a newbie. No track, no power. > It was AM that got S scale re-started with Ron's FP-7 and he keeps > bringing out new stuff, but his starters are not complete. Yes, Ron offers > sets & track but not in one complete package. If I am wrong, I publicaly > apologize to him and the efforts he has made & will make in the future for the > growth of S scale. I have several of his products and I will continue to buy > his products as they meet my needs. > I am aiming for the total newbies, no knowledge of any thing, but a > wade of money burning in his/her pocket. They get to see OUR size and want it, > but they know nothing about model trains. The starters that they buy MUST have > everything including a clear set instructions of how to set eveything up. > Their first experience must be great or they will end up in some other size. > Ron B will head the list on the people who gave S a re-birth by > offering a RTR affordable (non brass) new engine in S scale, but it will be > the SHS starter set that MIGHT be the fuse for the growth explosion of S. > I give great credit to ALL the people bringing out S products for > their courage to take a chance & try to produce a product that S people say > they want. > People say they want a Trainmaster. Tom of PHM is trying to bring that > out. Will his efforts be accetable? Jim K & Dan N are bringing out a 3 unit > turbine, big effort and bucks, but all these folks are trying, but will a > brand newbie have any idea what these products are? Hopefully, both products > will at lease break even for the folks putting up the funds. > I hope I have made myself clearer in what I was trying to say as to > where we should be aiming and my thought on how to get there. Again I aopolize > to any makers on this list who might feel slighed by my pointing out SHS. You > all make GREAT efforts and I wish you well & success. > > Roy Hoffman wrote: > > > Much as I like SHS, too, don't leave out AM. Did you see their boffo full > > page color ad in the Model Railroad News. It was the same one they ran in > > the Dispatch about their RI lineup, but this was to the bigger Model > > Railroading audience. They have complete sets reasonable priced and track, > > too. > > > > I like to think of AM and SHS as the twin towers of S. > > > > Roy > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9316	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Ringing Bell

My 21234 rings OK at low speed only. That's what it's supposed to do, like real trains that don't ring the bell at higher speeds. At higher speeds the spring arm keeps it away from the bell because the arm oscillates at a higher frequency. Can't recall if there is a coil spring on the arm and haven't opened it up in years, but I seen to recall it just used the arm as the spring. It is adjustable by bending the arm slightly. The arm will probably look slightly bent from adjusting. LEAHY RUTH A wrote: > > I recently acquired my first A.F. engine (21234) with a ringing bell. > However, I need some help here. First, why is it supposed to ring only > when going slow speeds? What keeps it from ringing all the time? Is > there supposed to be a spring attached to the gong arm? If so, mine is > missing. Is the gong copper arm supposed to be straight or slightly bent? > Any assistance would be appreciated as I try to learn how this gadget > works. > > Mike Leahy > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9317	From: mary jo shutt	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: ertl buildings

If anyone uses ertl buildings on their flyer layouts,and they have a Big Lots store in the area I would suggest visiting it.I just picked up the cow town for $9.,pig cinfinement $5., auction barn for $9. The only problem is you don't know when they will have an item in stock. I try and get there at least once every two weeks. I know on ebay the cow town is going for over $20-25 dollars. _

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9318	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9319	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 8/20/2000
Subject: Re: ertl buildings

mary jo shutt wrote: (I know on ebay the cow town is going for over $20-25 dollars.) Yes....that's close to what I have been paying!! $9.99 at the close- out stores I guess,.....No stores like that here though!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9320	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: AM 2-6-2 Pacific

Good morning everyone, I suppose everyone out there already has one of these steamers but mine is new for me and I am looking to you for more information. I bought the DC scale version and I am trying to make it run on SHS track. Problem 1 Front wheels will not stay on track even on the 29"r curves. I found that the front drivers had no side play and after removing the driver gear found that they were hard to turn. Using a small file on the shaft solved this problem. Now it runs even on 19"r track. Problem 2 Now that all the drivers move freely the side arms connecting the drivers short out electrically to the drivers. Have tried to slightly reform the side arms and this has helped but still have some sparking. Problem 3 When the drivers short out to the side arms the train slows down or stops completely at very slow speeds. I should have not used a file on the bearing blocks that hold the wheel shafts to the frame. Now the front driver twist slightly causing more sparks. Will have to replace them. What I need to know is: Will replacing the scale drivers with the AF compatible drivers with no flanges on the center drivers run on SHS track. Or should I keep the scale drivers and file off the flange on the center drivers? My concern is: Will the over sized flanges hit the ties and will they run on the SHS switches when they come out. The AM Pacific is such a nice engine that, for now anyway, I have decided to try to make the steamer run on the SHS track. It appears that once these problems are solved to engine will not only look good but run good. I am very much impressed how easy it could pull 35 cars. It appears that it could easly pull twice that many but that is all that I had to test it with for now. Thanks for your help, Dave Ewing :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9321	From: Daniel Neumayer	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Need turntable and engine house

Hi Gang! I want to add a turntable and engine house to my layout. Those of you who saw it on the NMRA layout tour know that space is a very serious consideration. I need a turntable with a diameter oŸ about 22 inches. An engine house with 6 or 8 bays would be nice to go with it. Any ideas of where to look? Thanks, Daniel Neumayer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9322	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM 2-6-2 Pacific

Yes, I have one of the American Models steam locos. I bought one of the original B&O sets. I have operated my AM loco on handlaid code 100 and 125, K-Line 27"R curved track, AM code 148 27"R track, and SHS 29"R curves. I have not had any of the problems that you have mentioned. The only maintenance I have done is to oil the drive train and refill the smoke unit. I have even operated the loco thru AM turnouts(switches) after making adjustments to the turnouts as suggested in a past article in the NASG Dispatch. About the new SHS switches, from what I have read, there first switch will have the same footprint as the ACGilbert, AF switch, a curved section with a 19"R. This would I think cause problems, unless as you suggest swapping out a blind center drive wheel. I think that the first SHS switch will be intended for use by Hi-railers and Flyer operators, does anyone know different? Operating scale sized flanges through the frog of the switch could be a problem, this may be able to be corrected in a similar manner as the adjustments to the AM switch. The AM conversion allowed the operation of hi-rail and scale cars and locos through the switch. AF could not be operated through the switch after the conversion. Keep us posted with any new developments you come up with. Tom Davis, Charlotte, NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9323	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 8/21/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AM 2-6-2 Pacific

Dave wrote: "Will replacing the scale drivers with the AF compatible drivers with no flanges on the center drivers run on SHS track. Or should I keep the scale drivers and file off the flange on the center drivers? My concern is: Will the over sized flanges hit the ties and will they run on the SHS switches when they come out." Hi Dave: I have an AM high rail pacific that I run on AC. It runs great on a mixture of ACG and SHS track - In fact, I will replace all ACG track when switches (#5 or 6) come out, so I will have to wait many moons, I guess. I assume that the engine will go through SHS switches, but Don could probably better answer that. I never had any problem with the engine - worked right out of the box, on AM track also, and sound is great (except the "lights" on the tender were too fragile). Don't know what this means for DC operation but works great on AC and SHS, AM, and Gilbert track!! Rance Velapoldi

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9324	From: Ted Larson	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: Web Site

There have been several questions / comments on this e-list about web page construction. I came across the following URL which contains a nice set of tutorial references such as: optimizing images for clarity AND minimum size, animated GIFs, web page design, website design, how to upload your pages to your server (FTP), etc. http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/filters/subfilter/0,7212,6002522,00.html Note that the section on optimizing photos is good for photos posted to the OneList shared files section also. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9325	From: andy lorince	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: CVSGA Show

Cuyahoga Valley Sgaugers are having their 17TH all gauge train show on 8-27-2000. uaw hall chevy boulevard,brookpark (parma) oh. 10 am to 3 pm. i'll have some streamline k4's from AM. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9326	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: New American Models ABA Sets

I just received my new American Models Southern ABA set today. I ran it a short while on my layout pulling a Southern streamline passenger train set I am working on. I took a couple of pictures. Not great photography but you can see the new ABA set if you have not seen it before. They are much improved over the original versions and have new road names available or on the way as proven by the Southern set. Operation is as good as ever, detail and sound has improved. I will try to get better pictures on when I get time. Oh, my url address is http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html Enjoy. Wayne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9327	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: More New Haven Pictures

Here is a page about David Garber, he is a Flyer collector and repair person. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/newhaven2000/david_garber/David.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9328	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: 290 problems

Hi all, I've got a couple of 290's that don't wanna go!! One of the 290's was running good,....then it just stopped. I have broke it down, checked the brushes, it spins freely when finger turning the armature, so nothing is binding. When I hook my jumper cables to the engine directly, I get a slight buzz, some movement (very, very little movement!). Of course I can't keep the power to it for very long,....ya know,...it starts to smoke a little!! I put another armature in (not sure if it was a good one or not),....same thing! Sooooo..... I have another old 290 laying around that I have never put the time into trying to get it to go. (needs a tender) Hooked up the cables to it.....acted the same as the other 290! I'm having a 290 nightmare here!!! Any ideas??? Thanks a lot!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9329	From: Rick Evans	Date: 8/22/2000
Subject: 290's and I must be an idiot!

OK.....What am I doing wrong??? Just for kicks, I hooked my cables direct (by-passing the tender) to my 282. It acted the same as the 290's (nothin'!) When I hook the cables to the tender wheels, the engine works. I was hooking the cables to the little clips on the brush tubes on the 290 and 282 and it wouldn't spin. Where are ya SUPPOSED to hook 'em when testing by by-passing the tender??? Thought I had done it that way before,....but I guess not. Please help!! Rick (the idiot!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9330	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: AM New Roadnames

Wayne Beachy wrote [S-Trains]: > I just received my new American Models Southern ABA set today. Although I haven't seen it yet, I'm told the latest S-Gaugian advertises some of AM's new road names. That's the amazing thing about American Models. One would think Ron B. would at least have had the AM web page updated to include the new roads by now. As of this morning, 8/23, nada. Probably should have had the new roads up when the container left China. The the cabeese and K4 were advertisied and on the web way in advance, (some may say WAY TOO in advance) but they've been mum on new the new roadnames for pre-existing products. I've seen the ad for the Rock Island stuff on the back of the latest NASG Dispatch, and mention of the C&O FP7's in the same issue. But I have no clue as to any additional roadnames that will become available. A wise old sage (well OK, me) once said: "Ya cain't sells when folks don't knows whats ya gots." Who knows, I just might like to buy something... Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9331	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 290's and I must be an idiot!

--- Rick Evans <comic@...> wrote: > OK.....What am I doing wrong? Nothing is connected to the field. One wire should be connected to a brush tube, the other wire should be connected to one of the lugs on the field coil, and a jumper wire should connect the other lug of the field coil to the other brush tube. If you want the engine to run in the other direction swap the two wires connected to the field coil or the two connected to the brush tubes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9332	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 726

In a message dated 08/19/2000 4:55:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << I really enjoyed my first visit to New Haven two years ago. August has turned into Southeastern Pennsylvania S Gauge picnic month. Next year I will schedule better. John & Robin, what is the date for next years Gilbert tour? >> Our show next year will be August 19th, its already been scheduled. Hope you can make it. Robin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9333	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Motor smoking

- Greetings - Folks, smoked motors are not nearly as good as smoked sausages. Only the Flyer permanent magnet motors will run with the supply hooked to the brush tubes and only if the supply is DC. For all motors with a wound field (turns of wire on the stationary, laminated steel structure above the armature) MUST have the armature current pass thru the field also. Otherwise the current in the arma- ture is trying to interact with a magnetic field which isn't there. use three, and only three, test leads: from power supply to motor brush, from other brush to field, from other field wire to power supply. Do this only if the motor is unplugged from the reverse unit. Otherwise you may have to learn the fine art of armature rewinding. Good luck (and enjoy the sausages). Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9334	From: finerty, paul	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 730

-----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@egroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@egroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:40 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 730 Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 20:58:54 -0700 From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> Subject: 290 problems Hi all, I've got a couple of 290's that don't wanna go!! One of the 290's was running good,....then it just stopped. I have broke it down, checked the brushes, it spins freely when finger turning the armature, so nothing is binding. When I hook my jumper cables to the engine directly, I get a slight buzz, some movement (very, very little movement!). Of course I can't keep the power to it for very long,....ya know,...it starts to smoke a little!! I put another armature in (not sure if it was a good one or not),....same thing! Sooooo..... I have another old 290 laying around that I have never put the time into trying to get it to go. (needs a tender) Hooked up the cables to it.....acted the same as the other 290! I'm having a 290 nightmare here!!! Any ideas??? Thanks a lot!! Rick. --------------------------- Rick, Try cleaning the fingers that ride along the outside of the drum within the reverse unit (located inside the tender). If they are in real bad shape, just replace them. In addition, clean the drum also. Bet that will remedy the problem. Had to do it myself many times. You're probably getting the buzzing but no action because the fingers aren't making good electrical contact with the drum. You're probably only putting the voltage across the armature, and nothing across the motor field when you are connecting your voltage leads. That's why you aren't getting any action with the direct connect method either. Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9335	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Capacitive Discharge for Turnouts

Have noticed when running that some turnouts do not cleanly fire, Read something on the toy train list about a capacitive discharge unit. I use a 300 w transformer to run two trains and a 75 w to run another. All of the turnouts are off of the 300 w. Do I need to fabricate a discharge unit and if so how is it constructed and capacity of components? If the instructions are in any manual or literature, which?? Thanks- Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9336	From: Jeffrey Madden	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: fall S Fest

Just a reminder that early registration for the Fall S Fest 2000 is by 8/31. Dates are Oct. 27-29. website is www.trainweb.org/bsg Check it out! Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9337	From: hgbutler	Date: 8/23/2000
Subject: Rochester Area S Gaugers Website

The Rochester (NY) Area S Gaugers are now on-line, with a website at www.trainweb.org/rasg -- please drop in for a visit and let us know what you think! A couple of the pages are still under construction, and we hope to add more information and links as time goes by. Thanks, Harry Butler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9338	From: john foley	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Rochester Area S Gaugers Website

Hi Guy's Great site. I will stop in once in awhile for a visit. Thanks John Foley At 01:30 AM 08/24/2000 -0400, hgbutler wrote: >The Rochester (NY) Area S Gaugers are now on-line, with a website at >www.trainweb.org/rasg -- please drop in for a visit and let us know what >you think! A couple of the pages are still under construction, and we hope >to add more information and links as time goes by. > >Thanks, > >Harry Butler > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9339	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: parts diagrams

Does anyone out there have a parts diagram for a 21004 0-6-0 loco and tender? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9340	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Capacitive Discharge for Turnouts

Hi Joe, I made my own CD unit based on one of the projects in "Practical Electronic Projects for Model Railroaders" by Peter J. Thorne. It is a paper bound, 8 1/2 by 11 book. Mine was published in 1974. I used the design for the 'quick-recovery' version and it was terrific. That was in the days when I still had a couple of twin-coil machines on my old layout. For power, I used a very cheap transformer. The capacitor does the real work and the transistor circuit charges it back up very rapidly. The gadget really made the switch motor work - fast, quiet and reliable. You can build one for about $10 if you like to make electronic stuff. Mine used simple push-button switches from Radio Shack. My motors had extra contacts (Peco) which I used to power indicator lights on the control panel. Sadly, I don't have a scanner. A camera image would not work due to the fine print. So, your choices are (1) buy a copy if they are still available or (2) send me your address and I'll mail you a copy of the article. Within the article on switch controls are treatments of simple CD units and of 'diode-matrix route control.' There is another choice, I know that there are companies that make and sell these units. The cost should be $30 or less. A friend of mine installed one on his HO layout with excellent results. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Joseph R. Craig <gunrjoe@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Capacitive Discharge for Turnouts >Have noticed when running that some turnouts do not cleanly fire, >Read something on the toy train list about a capacitive discharge >unit. I use a 300 w transformer to run two trains and a 75 w to run >another. All of the turnouts are off of the 300 w. Do I need to >fabricate a discharge unit and if so how is it constructed and >capacity of components? If the instructions are in any manual or >literature, which?? Thanks- Joe Craig > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9341	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: E-Bay

Anyone else having trouble getting to E-Bay? Thank You in advance, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9342	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: 21004 diagram

Sorry guys, I should have looked in the index instead of just flipping pages. Seems that Gilbert included the 21004/5 along with the parts breakdown for the 263 and 343/21145. Seems strange to include 6 driver and 8 driver units together even if a lot of parts were the same. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9343	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/24/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-Bay

I wish I had that problem. I get to ebay way to often, and spend way too much. They do periodically (at random) have times when it takes many tries to look at an item or bid and times when you just can't get on. I think they need to increase their capacity somewhat. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO anormal1@... wrote: > Anyone else having trouble getting to E-Bay? > > Thank You in advance, > Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9344	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: New Haven 2000 - The Webpages

Here is the result of much effort, please review, enjoy, and let me know if I made any errors. I shot lots of pictures and I think I included all the best ones on these pages. The show was great, notice the great lighting, wide aisles, and plenty of 'S'. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/newhaven2000/show_pages/trainshow2.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9345	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: Flyer Chat Sunday

Hi all, Gonna miss the chat this Sunday, I have to work the society's booth at the county fair. So think of me eating something deep fried on a stick--but don't tell my Dr! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9346	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9347	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Re: Reefer and "special run cars" update

All of the first run reefers have been received and shipped out. We are now sold out of ART #2, MDT #2 NWX #2 and PFE #2. All roadnames are selling well and a second run is planned for next year. Suggestions of paint schemes for the 2nd run with photos (copies are fine), drawings or jpegs are gratefully accepted Last week the unlettered yellow & orange, undecorated, additional NWX #1 and the "special run" reefers arrived and have all been shipped out.. The "B&O Timesaver" and 40th anniversary S Gaugcian rebuilt boxcars were also included in the container and shipped. They can only be purchased by the companies that contracted the these cars. Here are the contacts for these and the last few "special run" cars. Narragansett & IGA' reefers Jerry Rivet RSSVP Models 237 Pawtucket Blvd. Tyngsboro, MA 01879 978-453-0739 rssvpmodels@... B&O Timesaver Boxcar John Huster PO box 10123 Erie, PA 16514 herky@... Zion Figs, Berghoff Beer, Wilson Meats & 40th S Gaugian Anniv. car Scenery Unlimited 7236 W Madison St. Forest ark, IL 60130 708-366-7763 donheim310@... CUVA 2 bay covered hoppers Josh Seltzer CVSG 3567 Antisdale Rd. Cleveland Hts, OH 44118 216-932-0709 jmssgauger@... Chateau Martin wine car (NASG 2000 convention car) Lee Johnson BASS 2472 Lariat Lane Walnut Creek, CA 94596 leemax@... Don T. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9348	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9349	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/27/2000
Subject: Train Circuit design web site

While researching for capacitive discharge circuits, (Still have no clue as to application to S gauge), found a web site at www2.ebtech.net , which has nothing but electronic circuits for model trains. Know nothing about reliability of the designs but there is just about everything there.-Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9350	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: the "syndrome" and rewinding

Well as many of you can probably recall, there have been exhaustive postings on this list about the observation that AF steamer motors (flat or barrel comm) eventually develop a "syndrome" of going considerably faster in reverse than forward. About the one thing that had been suggested but I hadn't tried yet was to rewind the armature. I purchased a 21130 at York in April, but only recently got to work on it. It had the syndrome when I tested it at the show, but I bought it anyway. I figured I'd buy a new old-stock (NOS) super barrel comm armature (3/4" posts) and be done with it. Well, those are not so easy to find. So I set out once again to find the cure. After doing the usual multitude of measures including - - cleaning, check segment timing, face and polish comms, numerous combinations of washers toward the front and rear, springs, brushes, smoke push rod connected/disconnected, flip the drive axle and gear, fore and aft bushings inspected and seated properly, rev-unit disassembled and cleaned, wiring checked, try direct connect and via tender power, etc, etc, etc. - - I came to the conclusion, it's time to try rewinding the armature. The good news is, my rewinding worked. The bad news it did nothing to solve the problem. The unit still runs scream'n fast in reverse, and so-so fast in forward. Just like before. If you're aware of a NOS super-sized barrel-commutator armature for sale, please let me know. Thanks. At this point my conclusion is that a combination of wear factors contribute to the "syndrome". I think the biggest armature related factors are commutator wear from the brushes, spiral gear wear, and possibly shaft wear. Others factors on the chassis such as drive gear wear, motor bushing wear, and axle hole wear may also play a part. However, I've now had a 303, 293, 21004, and 21088 succumb to this eventual problem, and the only thing I've found revives them is to pop in a new armature. Each of these now run like new - - fast, but more importantly faster forward than reverse. I'm still open to trying something else, so if I, we, have missed something, please write in. Thanks. PS I bought the 21004 at York in April too. At the test track it prevailed to run obviously faster in reverse than forward. At home I tried all the above mentioned procedures and iterations on it too before trying the spare NOS standard barrel comm armature I had on hand. Bingo. Runs like new. I also tested two other 21004's at the show. They both had the syndrome as well. I mentioned this to one of the dealers, and his comment was, "you know, it's seems some of them get way after awhile, not sure why, but they do". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9351	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Rewinding tip

Do you apply some form of adhesive the coils of your rewound armatures? I noticed the factory applied some form of glue to the coils of wire wrapped around each post. I imagine that's done to ensure the wires don't shift over time. However, I'm not sure this is necessary. If it is a good thing to do, then what adhesive/sealant should I use? I don't want to use something that will adversely affect the insulation coating of the wires, or that will spin off while running. Thanks for your help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9352	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: AF 293

I recently picked up a nice 293 in an antique shop and have got it in great running order, smoke, etc. Head light is not working and bulb is good, so a wire must be broken somewhere. My questions is: What are the 2 pickup shoes on each of the tender trucks for? There are four wires in the plug to the jack panel and a fifth wire by itself which goes to one shoe on the rear truck. Any information or assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9353	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] the "syndrome" and rewinding

RE: Loco goes faster in reverse than forward; Perhaps the commutator twisted counter clockwise (or vice versa) in relation to the armature plates. Comments ??? Roger Hinds Check out ---> HTTP://travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9354	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] the "syndrome" and rewinding

That's the "segment timing check" I mentioned. All is OK as compared to other barrel comm armatures in engines running propertly. Thanks. Keep the ideas coming. -----Original Message----- From: Roger Hinds [mailto:cofa@...] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:25 AM To: david_horn@... Cc: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] the "syndrome" and rewinding RE: Loco goes faster in reverse than forward; Perhaps the commutator twisted counter clockwise (or vice versa) in relation to the armature plates. Comments ??? Roger Hinds Check out ---> HTTP://travel.to/cofa [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9355	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Rewinding tip

Here is a semi-tip. It is a good tip for small, DC motors - I have not tried it with the Universal motors in Flyer locos. In the bad old days of the late '60's, I used to rewind motors for slot car racers. The goal there was to add a lot of RPM's and some more torque. Once these little motors were rewound, they would scream. That is, the cars powered with them would run much faster that cars with 'stock' motors. Some of our races were 'enduro' races of 6 or 12 hour duration. I say all of that just so you will know where this tip is coming from. After rewinding, I would heat the armature ( a little ) by placing it near a light bulb for an hour or two. Then, I would saturate the windings with epoxy and allow the thing to cure. I used slow setting epoxy (at that time it was nominal 30 minutes) and I also heated the 2 parts before mixing. The windings never came loose. No such motor ever failed due to shifting or broken wires. Remember, these motors were subjected to extreme stress over a lengthy period of time - at least in terms of a single operating session. A few years ago, I dug the cars out of storage and they all still ran. These motors started out rated a nominal 12VDC and the rewinds were faster (when run on 12 volts) than the commercially available 3 VDC motors. I could run the cars with a single D-cell at 1.5 volts. If you do this to a motor, it will be very difficult to do it again as the heating and curing causes the windings to become a single, solid mass. By heating the epoxy and the armature, the liquid plastic is thinner than normal and it penetrates the spaces around the windings very effectively. If epoxy gets on the outside of the metal laminations (steel or iron), it can be machined off pretty easily. Take care to keep the epoxy from getting on the surface of the commutator. On the softer commutator metal, it is a different story. Also, even if you were to file it smooth, some of the plastic might heat up, melt and shift position when the motor is running. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... <david_horn@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Rewinding tip >Do you apply some form of adhesive the coils of your rewound armatures? I >noticed the factory applied some form of glue to the coils of wire wrapped >around each post. I imagine that's done to ensure the wires don't shift >over time. However, I'm not sure this is necessary. If it is a good thing >to do, then what adhesive/sealant should I use? I don't want to use >something that will adversely affect the insulation coating of the wires, or >that will spin off while running. Thanks for your help. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9356	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 734

All I found there was "Hello" > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:30:19 -0000 > From: "Joseph R. Craig" <gunrjoe@...> > Subject: Train Circuit design web site > > While researching for capacitive discharge circuits, (Still have no > clue as to application to S gauge), found a web site at > www2.ebtech.net , which has nothing but electronic circuits for model > trains. Know nothing about reliability of the designs but there is > just about everything there.-Joe Craig > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9357	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: rewinding tip

I always use 5 minute epoxy to hold the windings when I do fields armatures and solenoids. Never had a problem; some of my rewinds have been running for 8 years or more. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9358	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: vacation

Gentlemen: I am going away for a couple of weeks and will set my "my egroups" page to the "no mail" option tonight (now). S-trains is always a lot of fun. Take care, Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9359	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 293

5th wire is used to bring full voltage from the trucks to the smoke unit. I wired my early 290 this way and it smokes better. Pickup shoes on the tender provide an extra sliding contact electrical pick up which is quite a bit better than rolling contact only by wheels. colin_olsen@... wrote: > > I recently picked up a nice 293 in an antique shop and have got it in > great running order, smoke, etc. Head light is not working and bulb > is good, so a wire must be broken somewhere. > > My questions is: What are the 2 pickup shoes on each of the tender > trucks for? There are four wires in the plug to the jack panel and a > fifth wire by itself which goes to one shoe on the rear truck. Any > information or assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Colin > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9360	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: railroad electronics

Sorry some of you couldn't get into the web site I refered to. I typed ebtech into my AOL search engine and the web site came up for me. It is called Model Railroad Electronics Projects and the web site at the bottom is www2.ebtech.net/~pais/circuit_index.html While looking this up I also ran across a site called Model Railroad Electronics Circuits at web site listed as www.mrollins.com/circuit.htm/ The first site downloaded seventeen pages of project lists with individual projects using many more pages. I do not have a scanner, hope those interested can now find the site, yours in S- Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9361	From: Steve Jones	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: Fw: Fest Cars

I received this request from Tom Hawley to the Badgerland S Gaugers Webmaster page. We posted an e-mail to the S Fest e-mail list indicating that we were doing a pictorial history of S Fest through researching the commemorative cars. Unfortunately, I haven't been involved with the Midwest S organizations long enough to be able to help Tom out so I'm posting his question to both the BSG e-Mail and the S-Trains list. If you can answer his question please respond both directly to Tom with a copy to me so I can capture the information for the S Fest history page. If any of you would like to see what we have so far please take a look at http://www.trainweb.org/bsg. You can find the S Fest History selection under the main S Fest page. Thanks for any assistance you can provide. Regards, Steve Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "TOM HAWLEY" <HAWLEYT@...> To: <sejones@...> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 8:42 AM Subject: Fest Cars Somewhere I have a Jugle passenger car. Do you remember if that was a Fall S Fest car or something different ?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9362	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/28/2000
Subject: S Gaugian arrived, sort of. . . .

Hi All, Well, I recieved a very mangled S Gaugian envelope today, 2/3 of one side torn away, and a scratched and water-damaged mag amazingly still inside! Will have to call the PO tomorrow to see who is responsible for getting me a replacement! Can't figure out why the postman delivered such a mess without even a note of "sorry, hope this is still useable" or some sort. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9363	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugian arrived, sort of. . . .

THATS WHY I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE....JUST ABOUT ALL OF THE MAGS I RECEIVED WERE DAMAGED IN ONE MANNER OR ANOTHER....BOB David Dewey wrote: > Hi All, > Well, I recieved a very mangled S Gaugian envelope today, 2/3 of one > side torn away, and a scratched and water-damaged mag amazingly still > inside! > Will have to call the PO tomorrow to see who is responsible for getting > me a replacement! Can't figure out why the postman delivered such a mess > without even a note of "sorry, hope this is still useable" or some sort. > S' > David D. > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9364	From: John Conant	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: railroad electronics

S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:24:13 -0000 > From: "Joseph R. Craig" <gunrjoe@...> > Subject: railroad electronics > > It is called Model Railroad Electronics Projects and the web site > at the bottom is www2.ebtech.net/~pais/circuit_index.html That should be: http://www2.ebtech.net/~pais/Circuit_Index.html (the capitals are important in this case...) and the other is: http://www.mrollins.com/circuit.html (needs an "l" at the end - probably a unix server, not Windows). Thanks, Joe - 2 good sites!! -- Sincerely, John Conant ======================================================================= jconant@... "An expert is a [person] who has made John Conant all the mistakes which can be made Aerodyne Research, Inc. in a very narrow field" (978)663-9500, ext. 292 - Niels Bohr (Attrib.) Amiga 4000 Member Team AMIGA ICQ: 18281553 =======================================================================

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9365	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 735

Sorry Joe, these still do not work - maybe these are limited by AOL? I am trying to access through another ISP. > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 735 > > > Message: 11 > Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:24:13 -0000 > From: "Joseph R. Craig" <gunrjoe@...> > Subject: railroad electronics > > Sorry some of you couldn't get into the web site I refered to. I > typed ebtech into my AOL search engine and the web site came up for > me. It is called Model Railroad Electronics Projects and the web site > at the bottom is www2.ebtech.net/~pais/circuit_index.html While > looking this up I also ran across a site called Model Railroad > Electronics Circuits at web site listed as > www.mrollins.com/circuit.htm/ The first site downloaded seventeen > pages of project lists with individual projects using many more > pages. I do not have a scanner, hope those interested can now find > the site, yours in S- Joe Craig > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9366	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 8/29/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Will be out of town for a week.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9367	From: judy messinger	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Faster in reverse?

The question of " What causes our locos to, occasionally, develop the "Faster In Reverse Syndrome" and "How Do We Fix It?" arises periodically. It's perplexing and I don't think anyone has discovered the absolute answer as yet. The "Ask Jeeves" web offers "Answer Point" where you can pose a question to a panel of experts in various categories. I decided to give it a try. I asked the experts " What causes an electric motor to run faster in one direction (reverse) than it does in the other (forward)? My question was placed in the "Physics" category. Here, verbatim, is the answer I got from one of the Jeeves experts: "the intake valves on the elictric motors have thses lil flaps and they go both ways when u go foreword they flap up when they go back words they go down and whenevr it goes down the elictric his moved to a different intaked which is alot closer" I swear, that's exactly as it was written! So, finally, we have the answer to the "Faster in Reverse Syndrome"! It's those damned "lil flaps" that are causing all the trouble! Thought you might enjoy this. Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9368	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Faster in reverse?

Way to go, Joe! Now we have another problem. My motors all seem to be missing the "lil flaps". Where do you get them? And how are they installed? Maybe Doug Peck has them. Any help Doug? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO judy messinger wrote: > > The question of " What causes our locos to, occasionally, develop the > "Faster In Reverse Syndrome" and "How Do We Fix It?" arises periodically. > It's perplexing and I don't think anyone has discovered the absolute answer > as yet. > > The "Ask Jeeves" web offers "Answer Point" where you can pose a question to > a panel of experts in various categories. I decided to give it a try. > > I asked the experts " What causes an electric motor to run faster in one > direction (reverse) than it does in the other (forward)? > > My question was placed in the "Physics" category. > > Here, verbatim, is the answer I got from one of the Jeeves experts: > > "the intake valves on the elictric motors have thses lil flaps and they go > both ways when u go foreword they flap up when they go back words they go > down and whenevr it goes down the elictric his moved to a different intaked > which is alot closer" > > I swear, that's exactly as it was written! > > So, finally, we have the answer to the "Faster in Reverse Syndrome"! It's > those damned "lil flaps" that are causing all the trouble! > > Thought you might enjoy this. > > Joe Messinger > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9369	From: Tom Young	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: S-Trains] Faster in reverse?

Well, that certainly clears up that problem. WHO KNEW?? Thanks Joe Tom, LMAO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9370	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: (no subject)

I have a Franklin engine that runs backwards faster, so when I got in the train races, I just ran the thing backwards. hey, I came in second place!!!! Chris

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9371	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: REV/FWD

This is only a guess after looking at one of my engines,the armature moves back and forth in relation to the field coil,this is due to the worm gear,but more importent I belive is that the bearing being worn may be the cause. It may stand to reason that the motor runs in the forward mode more often than the rev. This would cause the arm. to be further out of the field coils lines of flux. I don't have any new bearing to try this theroy,also I might be all wet on this. Anyone that knows about these types of motors are welcome to tear apart my obs. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9372	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: Faster in reverse?

That gives a whole new meaning to just flap'n your jaws about something. Great posts. After nearly ending up in the rubber room over this mystery, I've really enjoyed the good laughs, especially the one about "uh oh, all my motors are missing them"!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9373	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: REV/FWD

Armature location relative to the field is affected by how much fwd/bckwd travel you allow the armature to make. When going in reverse, the worm draws the armature forward. When running forward it pushes the armature toward the back of the motor. I've tried multiple approaches with numerous combinations of .005", .010", and .020" thick brass washers on the front and back ends of these troubled motors' armatures. Unfortunately I have not found this reverses the syndrome. It can affect the speeds realized in either direction to a degree, but the fundamental problem of the motor running faster in reverse than forward prevails. Even on motors that perform correctly (i.e. observably faster in forward than reverse) I've found it depends on the particular motor as to which it prefers for optimal results. Some are fine with a lot of travel (e.g. a .020" washer on the front and only a .005" washer on the back) or virtually no travel at all (e.g. .045" worth of washers on the front or back, and .025" on the opposite end making for almost no movement fwd/aft when changing direction). Still think flaps are the answer. Started looking in my used parts bin, gotta be here somewhere.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9374	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: FASTER IN REVERSE

If you find the valves, the flaps should be easy to locate. Could the brush pressure have anything to do with it? With the arm. pushing on thebrushes better contact? And what about gear wear if they are worn on one side, it may change the ratio. Again just a guess Mike

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9375	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: AF 322

I have a 322 that works & runs great, but has no pulling power past 2 or 3 cars. The drive wheels are dry, even polished from all the slipping, tracks clean, etc. Does anyone have a solution to increase traction? I tried a pull-mor kit but the tires seemed to thick and covered up to much flange so the engine derailed all the time. Thanks for any suggestions. Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9376	From: andy lorince	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: 322 pulling power

before pulmore power showed up my dad improved some of our units by gluing strips of emry paper ,used for polishing steel( i think it was something like 600 grit or finer), to some of the drivers. we would also ocasionaly lube truck wheels and car wheels with dry graphite. a.l.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9377	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: O. Winston Link - RR photographer

I heard an intersting story on the radio this morning ... O. Winston Link ( http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20000830.me.15.ram ) -- NPR's Special Correspondent Susan Stamberg reports on photographer O. Winston Link. A new exhibit of stunning black and white photographs documents the end of the era of steam locomotives in America. (6:10) I found some of his books on Amazon, and also some other interesting RR books. http://www.gate.net/~yorke/booklist2a.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9378	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322

Colin This is a bit unusual, as the weight of the 322 usually gives it pretty good pulling power. Just in case, have you checked your cars' wheels to make sure they don't have wound up tinsel or other junk and that they roll freely? Other things to look for: Loose driver rims that spin, so the loco acts like it's trying to go somewhere, but really isn't. Tender wheels that don't freely turn. My Silver Bullet was used to haul streamline passenger cars when I was young (They look GREAT behind it!). One problem it had was/is a plastic body with no great weight on it, so it would spin wheels. My solution at the time was to carefully wrap friction tape around the rear drivers, not around the flanges though. It took some careful doing, but then my Bullet could haul 5 streamline cars (including an aluminum combo car) up my trestles and down! I would not wrap the wheels with an abrasive, just out of respect for my track! (Though maybe I'm over worrying here, hmm) There is a pul-more tire kit for non-pulmore locos now, with very thin traction bands, haven't tried them yet, but might be worth a look. BTW, some of the earlier steam engines have almost scale flanges, and would not take well to any additional stuff on the wheels, IMHO. Also note that there are two diameters of large size flyer steam drivers, pre and post pullmore. Don't mix them up or your loco will either sit with nose up or down or, if you get them on different sides, the loco will wobble and rock and roll. (just before it derails) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9379	From: corcoran@wcoil.com	Date: 8/30/2000
Subject: It's been ok - Just ok

For several months I've been receiving mail about s-trains. The problem has been I never signed up for this group or to receive mail from this group although I do have an interest in S-guage. I guess it will always be a mystery how I got on the list. Anyway I wanted to say this. Some of the stuff was very good and worthwhile, but I couldn't keep up with all the duplication and other stuff. It became a chore to go through the mail. So tonight I took my name off. Maybe I'll miss the mail when the nights are cold, and the wind is blowing. That's the time for trains. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9380	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Changing out a wheel on the lead truck

Hello: I am new to S-Trains and this is my first posting. I recently aquired a nice 312. It has the smoke in tender and runs really well. The engine was in really good condition when I bought it with the exception on a broken flange on one wheel of the lead truck. Can this wheel be changed out our do I need to change the entire truck? Michael Christensen - The Woodlands, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9381	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Changing out a wheel on the lead truck

Michael, Yes, the wheel can be changed out. There are two types of lead truck wheels and axles used on AF steamers. One type is pressed on the axle, and both wheels on the same axle turn together. The other style has loose wheels on an axle with the ends of the axle upset to keep them on. On these, each wheel turns independently of the others. On the pressed on type, just press the old one off, and press the new one one, checking gauge as you do so--be sure and order the correct wheel! On the "loose" type, you have to file down the upset end so the wheel can be taken off, then the new wheel goes on, and you have to upset the axle end again to keep it on. This can be done with a small ball pein hammer, and it takes a bit of practice. Get some eight penny (8d) nails, cut the tips off, so the end is square, and practice on them. It doesn't take much to hold the wheels on. Then do your locomotive's. Hope this is helpful! S' David D. PS. Welcome Aboard!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9382	From: Scott Holm	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322

--- colin_olsen@... wrote: > I have a 322 that works & runs great, but has no pulling power past 2 > or 3 cars. The drive wheels are dry, even polished from all the > slipping... I've got the exact same problem, the drive wheels almost look like chrome. I tried using the friction tape and this did seem to work until the tape came off. I didn't have success with the thin pullmor bands. I've thought about replacing the drivers with pullmor versions. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9383	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322

If you do replace one set of drivers with pull mor drivers, you may also have to change out the non pul more flanged drivers on the other axle too. This is because the driver diameter changed a little when the pul mor wheels were introduced. You also have to trim back the rear mounting ears on the chassis to clear the larger flanges. If you don't change out the other drivers, the engine sets slopping, and the pilot can strike the rails on a first grade change. Wish I could tell you the date of the wheel diameter change, just know it was around the pul mor introduction time. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9384	From: Michael Greene	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Radio Shack 2001 Catalog

** Warning: Only marginally related to S scale mode railroading Have you all picked up your 2001 catalog from Radio Shack??? This year they include a bar code scanner for your PC. And best of all the catalog and scanner are FREE!!! Scan the bar code (UPC) from anything in the catalog and get more info from their website (assuming you're connected to the Internet of course!). And the word from the Radio Shack employees I spoke with says it works for other products as well -- scan a Coke can UPC and get to Coca-Cola's web site, etc. I wonder how many of the model railroad manufacturers have UPC codes on their products, and how many of the scans will take you to their web sites???? Supposed Radio Shack is constantly updating the sites and links... On one of the many MR email lists someone has challenged the list members to devise a use for these on their layout. It seems for the moment that Radio Shack's are awash with them. In Nashua, NH, for example an employee told me they can't use their bathroom to they are all distributed, since it was piled full of catalogs and scanners....get yours while they are available... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9385	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] O. Winston Link - RR photographer

Hi Paul: This was indeed a good story about Winston Link's art form. Unfortunately, at the end of the program, they blew a Diesel horn instead of the nostalgic plaintive cry of a steam whistle from afar! After listening to such a terrific story, that really blew my mind (no pun intended). Oh well. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke [mailto:yorke@...] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:16 PM To: s-trains@egroups.com; s-scale@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] O. Winston Link - RR photographer I heard an intersting story on the radio this morning ... O. Winston Link ( http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/20000830.me.15.ram ) -- NPR's Special Correspondent Susan Stamberg reports on photographer O. Winston Link. A new exhibit of stunning black and white photographs documents the end of the era of steam locomotives in America. (6:10) I found some of his books on Amazon, and also some other interesting RR books. http://www.gate.net/~yorke/booklist2a.htm To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9386	From: Peck	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lil flaps

<Way to go, Joe! Now we have another problem. My motors all seem to be missing the "lil flaps". Where do you get them? And how are they installed? Maybe Doug Peck has them. Any help Doug? > Of course we have them!!!! They're $10 each, non-refundable! Unfortunately, we cannot supply installation instructions because it's too lengthy an explanation! (: ) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9387	From: Bill Porter	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322

Howdy Gents, What type of track are you using? The coefficient of friction should depend on the types of metals used in the wheels and the track. It would be interesting to know if the 'polished wheel' syndrome is specific to galvanized steel track or is also to be found in setups with non-ferrous rail. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> To: colin_olsen@... <colin_olsen@...>; S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] AF 322 >--- colin_olsen@... wrote: >> I have a 322 that works & runs great, but has no pulling power past 2 >> or 3 cars. The drive wheels are dry, even polished from all the >> slipping... > >I've got the exact same problem, the drive wheels almost look like >chrome. I tried using the friction tape and this did seem to work until >the tape came off. I didn't have success with the thin pullmor bands. >I've thought about replacing the drivers with pullmor versions. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9388	From: Peck	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] PM

<Does anyone have a solution to increase traction? I tried a pull-mor kit but the tires seemed to thick and covered up to much flange so the engine derailed all the time. > As noted, gluing PM bands to standard drivers leaves too little flange to stay on track. We have repro PM flanges. You pull and disassemble your two drivers. Then reassemble them with the PM flanges, and glue on the PM bands. These obviously have a wider flange, and hold the track. The PM flanges are $3.50 each, plus shipping. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9389	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 737

Colin: Rubber tires is the answer for more traction, I use .013 thickness fiber reinforced neoprene material (the same material I use for smoke in tender bellows) on each of the rear wheels, join on a 45 angle (no overlap) no derailments. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9390	From: Don Abrams	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: 322 Pulling Power

If you're unconcerned about "originality", and I suspect not since you're running the 322 -- swap out the chassis with one from a six-drivered junker. These seem to be plentiful and cheap. All you need to change is the basic chassis with wheels and axles. Use your existing motor, smoke unit, headlamp, wiring, etc. If you use a chassis that was on a 287 you'll need to punch out the shoulder stud for the choo choo gear and put the gear and stud on the 287 chassis, but that's easy. Have fun, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9391	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] lil flaps

Doug, Hmm, are these pul mor or non-pulmor flaps??? Do they come in the large motor size too?? Wouldn't want anyone to say I'm just flappin' my motors! S' David "who me?" Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9392	From: David Dewey	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 Pulling Power

Don, One other thing too that might need changing is the center drivers, the 322 requires that the brass stud have the square-cut end for the valve linkage. Changing out the chassis is probably the easier version of a fix too! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9393	From: Jeff	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: AM Rock Island

Hello All, I caught something on a message that AM was producing an engine in Rock Island colors. Which paint scheme? Black? Red? Blue? Thanks Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9394	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 8/31/2000
Subject: Promoting S-Gauge

Who should I contact about setting up a booth for the NASG at the nmra train show in Dayton Ohio Nov,4 and 5 ? Has anyone thought of giving away a free membership to anyone who buys a new S-Gauge starter sets from S-Helper or AM? I am going to try selling starter sets at the nmra show in nov. and offering a free 1 yr membership to our club, the Miami Valley S-gaugers, by paying the 6 dollar fee myself. Maybe the NASG with help from one or both companies could put a coupon in the sets for a free or very inexspensive 1 year membership. Anyway, some food for thought. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9395	From: Donald E. Munsey, Jr.	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 322 Pulling Power

I wonder if the liquid plastic stuff (product name escapes me right now) used to insulate tool handles (by dipping) might be applied carefully with a brush to the driver tires? How about silicone aquarium sealer? It comes in black or clear. -- Big Swede (aka Don Munsey, Jr.) UpperRightCorner of Louisiana StoryTeller, CopperSmith, S/Sn3 ModelRailroader & Bonsai grasshopper. A Recovering Forester, now teaching High School Mathematics!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9396	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: AM Rock Island

Jeff Tangeman wrote: > I caught something on a message that AM was producing an engine in Rock > Island colors. Which paint scheme? Black? Red? Blue? > Jeff, AM is producing three locomotive in Rock Island: FP7/F7B, FA2/FB2 and the RS3. The FA's and RS are in the as-delivered black/red/white freight scheme, while the F-units are in the as-delivered maroon/red/white passenger scheme. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9397	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: pulling power

This may have already been mentioned, but it may not be only the engine. Be certain your rolling stock is rolling easily. I've found a there's big difference between trying to pull AF rolling stock that is well maintained (wheels gauged and axles oiled) than not. That goes for operating pulmor and non-pulmor engines. My SIT 312, for example, has shiny (non pulmor) drivers and runs on AF or K-line rails cleaned with Wahls Clipper Oil. However, it easily pulls 7-8 well-maintained freight or passengar cars. The only wheelspin is with fast starts or stops. I haven't any grades, so if that's where you're having problems then upgrading to pulmor is likely the answer. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9398	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 737

Colin: After market, rubber traction tire for all locomotives. I found this material at a fluid specialities Co. here in Denver, Colo., I checked the phone book and found that they are out of business. This material is used to fix player pianos and hydraulic pumps. I have some cut to length for use on loco. drive wheels, I sell for $2.00 per set, (+ postage) with instructions, if you can't find some in your city. Gerald Dobbs 12286 West Kentucky Dr. Lakewood, Colorado 80229-3314 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9399	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 738

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9400	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: 322 Pulling Power

I can see how Pul Mor bands can help traction, but why does the 322 have less pulling power than other non Pul Mor engines, like a 312 for instance? Seems like the basic question. Neil Holcomb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9401	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: Oil on rails

It is not recommended to clean track with any oil product. Even after wiping the oil off you still will have traction problems Exception:. In regards to the clipper oil: After cleaning track with a non oily cleaner; You place only one drop of clipper oil on each rail. Run a a loco with no rubber tires around several times to spread it. That is all you need for oil. Any more oil than that and you will have trouble. I have been using this oil for 19 years. Applied only twice. Great electrical contact with no arching. No traction problems. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9402	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: 322 Pulling Power

WNHOLCOMB@... wrote: > > I can see how Pul Mor bands can help traction, but why does the 322 > have less > pulling power than other non Pul Mor engines, like a 312 for instance? > Seems > like the basic question. > > Neil Holcomb More than likley got oil on the bands. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9403	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Ok Gang, The September list is up for your Labor Day reading Pleasure. There are tons of pieces at prices for the operator or kitbasher. I have also lowered prices on slow moving items and I went "radical" on the book prices. HAPPY HUNTING! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9404	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: California today!

Just a quick note to everyone from warm, sunny California, where today it's about 68F and raining!! Oh well, maybe it'll put out the Storrie fire before it reaches Lake Almanor. Now if it were a Saturday, I could stay in and play with my trains! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9405	From: john foley	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Hi Folks Thanks to Craig O'Connell the website for the NASG 2001 National Convention is up and running. Check it out at. http://www.trainweb.org/steamtown2001/ Any questions , Please feel free to email me. John Foley foley164@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9406	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/1/2000
Subject: Erector car

Hi folks, My computer's been down. All I had to do was work on the layout : ) All four lines are up and running. Switches and accessories need to be hooked up again. It's a real kick to run four trains at once. Really noisy with four chuggers too! Now my question. I was perusing through an "old" 1984 Toy Train Museum Gift Catalog. On the last page they list T/240 1984 "S" Gauge Museum Car decorated as an Erector car to commemorate AC's 100th birthday. It says not to order it yet. Was this car ever produced? Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9407	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Ebay item

I'm sure this item will generate a lot of interest http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=426726610 Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9408	From: Naper@worldnet.att.net	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Guage Sets VoL. lll

Does anyone have this book for sale or can you tell me where I can find it. I would prefer a copy in good condition. The author of the book "Greenberg's Guide to American Flyer S Gauge Train Sets VoL lll, was Joe Deger.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9409	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/2/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, September 3, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9410	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - S-Trains online Yahoo chat session.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. S-Trains online Yahoo chat session. Date: Sunday, September 3, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Text based online Yahoo chat. Meet the S-Gauge/S-Scale folks. Sunday night log onto http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains Club/Room name is 'S Trains'

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9411	From: Steve Jones	Date: 9/3/2000
Subject: Fw: dorfan 1924 owner seeking ?'s

I received this message on the Webmaster link for the Badgerland S Gaugers. Can anyone help Lisa with information? Please respond directly to her at Sashawuwu@... Regards, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sashawuwu@...> To: <sejones@...>; <rutkowskis@...> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 7:56 PM Subject: dorfan 1924 owner seeking ?'s > Hello, I am the owner of a 1924 orange and green dorfan in great > condition(so the train people tell me) I am seeking to find out the value,It > has all of the track,2 passenger cars and the engine. It still runs great!!! > Please get back to me. > Lisa Marple

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9412	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Greenbergs AF Vol III

I contacted Kalmbach about 6 weeks ago, none available, no plans to reprint or update and re-issue that they would say. They refered me to a book search service to try to locate a copy. As of this point (6 weeks of searching) none available so far. Anyone with a copy for sale?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9413	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: SHS and AM with long trains

Good old rainy day are great times for train folks. Received some new cars that I have been wanting to run. You know, the wooden sided refers from SHS. First operation after setting up the track is to see how many cars an engine will pull. My SHS's SW-9 and SW-1 top out with about 30 some cars. Putting both engines together and they pull all 43 cars that I currently have. Old "Sparky" my AM Pacific can pull all 43 cars with no effort. I will just have to wait for some more overtime at work to continue this test. I would like to hear some stories from you guys about your experiences with long trains. A while back I shared with you about my SHS SW-9 slowing down when I took the extended vision caboose off the track. Now I have noticed another weird thing with that caboose. When the AM Pacific is running (on another loop of track but with the same power supply) The caboose will cause a short and all trains stop. Picking up the caboose wheels off of the track and everything starts up and runs fine even after putting the wheels back onto the track. The caboose may love the SW-9 but it hates the 4-6-2. "Sparky" (named after the condition caused by the side rod shorting out to something) is a good steamer and Ron assures me that if I put back the washer that I lost the sparks will go away. Then it will be a great engine even at slow speeds. Right now at slow creepy speeds when the side rods short out all train activity comes to a halt and the red light on the power pack comes on. I am running three trains on two loops of track all powered with one little power pack that came with the SHS starter set. Being able to run the trains at different speeds would be nice but I am impressed with what they can do with 22 KVA can do. My plans are to purchase the SHS F3's when they come out but for now has anyone seen the AM DX series ALCO engines. Thanks for the feedback, Dave in Eden NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9414	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] SHS and AM with long trains

Dear Dave, Last December at the CJSS Christmas meeting held at Howie Waelder's, I brought one of our Starter Sets (and an extra box of 15" straight track and seven painted SW-1 samples. I set up the set in a 40" X 105" loop and started to add engines. We were able to operate all 8 EMD switchers at the same time with our little set power pack. I know that everyone (including me) was surprised at that. Dave Ewing wrote: > > Good old rainy day are great times for train folks. > > Received some new cars that I have been wanting to run. You know, the wooden sided refers from SHS. First operation after setting up the track is to see how many cars an engine will pull. My SHS's SW-9 and SW-1 top out with about 30 some cars. Putting both engines together and they pull all 43 cars that I currently have. Old "Sparky" my AM Pacific can pull all 43 cars with no effort. I will just have to wait for some more overtime at work to continue this test. > > I would like to hear some stories from you guys about your experiences with long trains. > > A while back I shared with you about my SHS SW-9 slowing down when I took the extended vision caboose off the track. Now I have noticed another weird thing with that caboose. When the AM Pacific is running (on another loop of track but with the same power supply) The caboose will cause a short and all trains stop. Picking up the caboose wheels off of the track and everything starts up and runs fine even after putting the wheels back onto the track. The caboose may love the SW-9 but it hates the 4-6-2. > > "Sparky" (named after the condition caused by the side rod shorting out to something) is a good steamer and Ron assures me that if I put back the washer that I lost the sparks will go away. Then it will be a great engine even at slow speeds. Right now at slow creepy speeds when the side rods short out all train activity comes to a halt and the red light on the power pack comes on. > > I am running three trains on two loops of track all powered with one little power pack that came with the SHS starter set. Being able to run the trains at different speeds would be nice but I am impressed with what they can do with 22 KVA can do. > > My plans are to purchase the SHS F3's when they come out but for now has anyone seen the AM DX series ALCO engines. > > Thanks for the feedback, > > Dave in Eden NC > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9415	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Set Book

To Karl and other folks looking for the Greenberg set book. Wish it were still in existance but, a very good option, information-wise, is the Robert Tuft's book. Not as many pictures but, plenty of info. I have it on my book page for $14 post paid. Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9416	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: AF326 large motor brush springs

I have just disassembled a 326 with large motor and noticed that there are two brush springs in each brush tube. Is this correct for the large motor? Are the brushes common between large and small motors? Thanks, Neil Holcomb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9417	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: A Story

Forwarded message:=================================== >>>I heard about an exclusive annual meeting of railroad owners. At the cocktail reception, it seems that a question commonly asked of a new member was "how long is your line" to which he replied "it's not nearly as long as yours but it is just as wide."<<< Obviously the narrow gaugers could not use that reply. Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9418	From: John H. Benton	Date: 9/4/2000
Subject: Re: AF 322

I have used the Pull-Mor kits for non-Pull-Mor wheels on both a 322 and an early Alco diesel. The results were excellent. With the rubber applied, the diesel could easily pull an ABA + four passenger cars with no wheel-spin. John Benton

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9419	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: AF326 large motor brush springs

Neil, My guess is someone had two sets of weak springs and put both sets in to put enough tension on the brushes so they would make contact with the armature. I have only ever seen one set of springs in my large motors. That doesn't mean that's the only correct way. I think Doug Peck caries new springs you can order from him at Portline Hobbies. I'm sure too much spring tension can't be goo for the wear and tear on the brushes or the armature. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9420	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer Set Book

Mark is correct about the Tufts set book. It is great. My autographed copy is starting to look a little dog-eared and I have decided to pick up a second copy when I go to York! The greenberg book comes by eBay once and a while. I have seen it go in the $75 to $125 range. You have to really want it!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9421	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] American Flyer Set Book

With this book now going in the $75-$100 range, why isn't it being considered for re-publishing? The market value indicates a real demand for it. Wonder if anyone can buy the book rights and get it out there again? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9422	From: babbitt@BMCWest.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor

Howdy, I have a 336 large motor with pullmors that gets blistering hot after a minute or so of running. I currently have it torn down for other work as well, but it runs free(ie: no binding or hang-ups). I'm wondering if the blue enameled wire on the armature and field coil is original or has it been rewound? Brushes and springs are in fine shape, smoke unit works well and e-unit works well....motor just gets really hot, very fast!!! Any suggestions??? Is it a candidate for rewinding? Thank"S" in advance, guys.... Al Babbitt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9423	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor

Al, Sounds like you've checked all the usual things in the drive train that can cause over-heating. Your (3/4") motor should be wound with about 100 wraps of 22 ga. wire on the field magnet and 50 wraps of 25 ga. wire on each pole of the armature. Gilbert, or whoever built motors for them ,(Alnico?) did use a blue or bluish-purple colored coated wire for some motors. It wasn't very good. If you just got the loco and the problem was already there, then I would check to see that the wire size is correct. Check the un-coated part of the wire for size with a micrometer. The only way to check the number of wraps, is to unwind it. I wouldn't do that right away. Check the jack panel to make sure it's wired correctly. Should have one field wire on the first terminal, brush wire on the next, field on the third and brush on the last. That's looking down from the top with the panel in place. Also, check the reverse unit in the tender for correct wiring. Maybe try that tender on another loco to see if that (#2) loco operates O.K.. If not, look up a wiring diagram or use another tender that works correctly as a reference. If the motor is wired incorrectly such as current being applied to both brushes instead of one brush and one field wire, the motor can run but poorly, and get hot rapidly which will cook the windings in a hurry. The only other thing I can think of which could cause a motor to over-heat is if someone has re-wound the armature and has soldered one of the wire ends (on the pole windings) to the wrong commutator segment. That's, sometimes, hard to detect without unwinding the armature. If your motor does need re-wound and you, perhaps, aren't comfortable at doing it yourself, the best source I have found for re-winding Flyer, and other, motors is Bob Hannon in Clarksville, MD. He does great work and his prices are very reasonable. His e-mail address is: hannon@.... Hope this helps some. Perhaps someone else has some other advice. Good luck with fixing the problem. Joe Messinger >From: babbitt@... >To: S-Trains@egroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:13:12 -0000 > > >Howdy, >I have a 336 large motor with pullmors that gets blistering hot after >a minute or so of running. I currently have it torn down for other >work as well, but it runs free(ie: no binding or hang-ups). I'm >wondering if the blue enameled wire on the armature and field coil is >original or has it been rewound? Brushes and springs are in fine >shape, smoke unit works well and e-unit works well....motor just gets >really hot, very fast!!! Any suggestions??? Is it a candidate for >rewinding? Thank"S" in advance, guys.... >Al Babbitt > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9424	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 336 HOT HOT HOT Motor

Al, I've seen blue wire on armatures, but never fields, maybe it's actually overheated to a blue color?? I'd put an ohm meter on the field and the armature segments. Normal motors usually read 1.3 ohms between segments. I've forgotten what fields measure! S' David D. PS I understand that numbers of turns isn't as accurate when rewinding as length of wire. Length is a lot easier to keep track of too!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9425	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 326 springs and Vol III

Some previous owner experimented with your Hudson. Double springs is from someone trying to "tune" the motor to improve its performance (i.e. speed). The effect is usually short lived, but can make a positive difference for awhile. My 326, which runs flip'n fast after a few laps (i.e. will fly of Flyer radius curves by itself at full speed) and will pull the wallpaper off your house, has an 'optimization'. I found that by using a Lionel cylindrical-shouldered brush (same diameter, but shorter the AF brushes and appear to be made of a slightly different material - - more metal, less graphite, who knows), in each tube along with a flat-comm style coil spring (longer than a barrel comm motor spring) and a "plug", it runs much better than with just a spring and standard brush. The "plug" is a piece of cylindrical brush worn down to about 1/8" long (including the shoulder). It is installed at the opposite end of the spring with the shoulder into the spring and the flat end up against the clip. The spring is essentially sandwiched between two brushes. I don't know exactly why, but it runs better this way than it ever did, and it has lasted that way for months. Maybe it's the combination of pressure, brush material, and ease to rotate inside the housing. PS I have G'berg's Volume III (a gift from my wife along with Volumes I and II several years ago, nice lady). It is not for sale, but I will look up anything someone's curious about. Good book. Didn't realize it's been out of print. Probably should have refrained from reading it at supper after late work days and in the head. Got a little water (yes I'm sure it's water) on the edge of some pages. But hey, I'm an operator, not a collector other than you gotta have stuff to run stuff. Run 'em if you got 'em. They're trains, not trophies. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9426	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: 336 heat

David D's observation is similar to mine. Don't recall blue wire on fields, mostly the orange stuff, but blue might be OK. The key is gauge and windings/length as already mentioned. Other than wire and windings on the field and armature, maybe a couple of things to look for might help. 1) disassemble down to nothing but rear drive wheels driven (all connecting rods off, smoke unit push rod removed, etc). 2) try to spin armature with your finger, should spin freely. Any feeling of resistance, check Fwd/bkwd free play (too many washers?, fwd or aft bushing wear/damage/dislocation?). 3) remove brush clips, springs, and brushes - check free spin again, should spin several times with a push. If a lot of difference from #2 check for proper springs, brushes, and that faces of the commutators are flat, smooth, clean. 4) reinstall brushes, springs, clips. 5) apply power on the bench - - observe it running with only rear drive wheels driven while up in the air off the surface of your bench. All is OK?, getting hot? 6) add connecting rod to both sides, repeat 5 - - run slower, hotter? Possibly a bad bearing, or gauging (wheel span), or quartering with wheels of opposite side? 336's generally are beasts, with high spinning powerful motors. Other than some kind of mechanical impedance, I'd guess you've got a winding/wiring problem. PS Axle hole wear and gear lash/mesh can create resistances while running that don't show up with "airborne" bench testing. Check to see that the drive gear on the rear axle is centered, look for excessive axle hole wear, and that the worm gear on the armature is clean and OK. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9427	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Pull More

Dave: Stop with the little power pack already. If you want to see your diesels pull, then put #2 diesel in their tanks, not a water and kerosene mix. Put a gutsy transformer in charge and watch all those little diesels pull. Why the hell are you being economical with volt/amps??? Do you have an old Flyer or Lionel transformer? Use it!. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9428	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: British Trains

I believe we have a member or two on here from across the pond. I was wondering if there are any British or European style trains available in "S" or a gauge near "S". I have seen an "O" gauge company - ACE Trains - that has some very nice looking engines and passenger cars. It would be great to find some in "S". Just wondering. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9429	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Re: 19th Annual Fall Get-together

INTRODUCTION As the host club, The Central Jersey "S" Scalers welcomes everyone to join us at this year's 19th Annual Fall Get-Together. The Fall Get-Together. is a gathering of S gauge modelers and operators that we sponsor to promote friendship and an exchange of modeling information. WHEN September 29, 30 & October 1st, 2000 LOCATION Christ Episcopal Church Hall 220 Main St. South Amboy, N.J. 08879 MODULAR LAYOUT If you would like to bring a module to our convention contact: Don Thompson , Module Coordinator 2 Roberts Rd. New Brunswick, NJ 08901 The deadline for requests to bring modules is September 25th. Modules should be to the NASG S-MOD SYSTEM. If you are not able to bring a module, you can still be a part of the operations. EXHIBITS The modules and manufacturers will share a 75' x 50' hall. Meet S Scale dealers, brass importers and S manufacturers. Tables are still available for those who attend. Last years vendors included: Banta Models (Building & Structures, Tomalco), River Raisin, DesPlaines Hobbies (S Scale America), S Helper Service (The Showcase Lines), RSSVP Models, Down;s MRR, Port Lines (Crown) Hoquatt Hobbies, S Scale Loco Supply, Pennsy S Models, Marker Light Productions, etc. BUFFET On Saturday evening we will be having our usual catered buffet with several entres to chose from. The cost is $14.00 per person. SCHEDULE FRIDAY 1 PM-Set up (all invited) 7:30 PM- Registration, dealers’ tables open SATURDAY 9AM-coffee and donuts Noon- 6' Submarine sandwich 5PM- Buffet SUNDAY 9:30 AM-coffee and bagels 10AM-1PM Modules in operation. Church hall kitchen phone number: 732-727-3151 (Fri, Sat & Sunday only) DIRECTIONS TO CHURCH HALL Take the Garden State Pky. South to exit 124. Turn left on to Main St. (South Amboy). The Church Hall is at the intersection of Main St. and Broadway. South Amboy Train Station is on Broadway. DIRECTIONS TO CHURCH HALL FROM THE MOTEL Take RT 514 North. Next exit is Rt 440 East(I-287 E). Proceed on RT 440 to the RT 9 South Exit. On Rt 9 get off at first exit. Go 3/4 around the circle and turn Right on to Main St. (South Amboy). The Church Hall is at the intersection of Main St. and Broadway. South Amboy Train Station is on Broadway. DIRECTIONS TO THE MOTEL From the NJ Turnpike, take Exit 10. Stay to right, look for the signs for Rt. 514 - Raritan Center. On RT 514, at the first light, take the jug handle to the right. The Ramada is 9 stories high and on the left Rate - $75/nite. Contact person - Renee Desaurmaux , Group - CJSS Fall Get-Together. 732-661-1000 . REPLY FORM, RETURN TO MIKE BY Sept 22nd CENTRAL JERSEY "S" SCALERS c/o Mike Anderson 115 Lake Shore Drive Lake Hiawatha, NJ 07034 Or Call Mike At: 973-334-1356 Name___________________________ Address_________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ Registration $26(with buffet) $12 (no buffet) I plan to come on Friday. I plan to come on Saturday. I will bring _______ ft. of mod- ule on (circle days) Fri - Sat Please save me a free 4' table (additional 8' tables are $15 each) -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9430	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Hot -Windings

David D.'s suggestion to use an ohm meter regarding the hot motor problem is a good one. Both field and armature ohm readings on 1/2" motors should be from 1 to 2 ohms. On 3/4" motors, it should be 1 ohm or a bit less. 0.7 to 0.9 is pretty good. The heavier gauge wire (22 & 25) used on the large motors offer less resistance than the lighter (24 & 26 or 27) used on the 1/2" motors. I've tried both measuring the correct length of wire for fields and armatures and counting wraps. I find it easier to count wraps. I have counted wraps on a number of motors that I have un-wound and they seem to be pretty consistent. 200 on the fields and 75 on the armature poles on 1/2" motors. I think either method will work well. Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9431	From: judy messinger	Date: 9/5/2000
Subject: Hot, Hot,Hot

David's suggestion for checking the windings with an ohm meter is a good one. Good 1/2" armatures and fields should show 1 to 2 ohms. 3/4" armatures and fields, because of the heavier wire used, should read at 1 ohm or a little less. Mine show 0.7-0.8. I've tried both the "length" method and the "count the wraps" method and I guess I like the "wraps" deal the best. Not as much trouble as measuring the wire prior to winding. I've un-wound a number of fields and armatures, counting the turns as I went and , so far, found the count to be pretty consistent. On 1/2" motors, 200 wraps for fields and 75 for armature poles. Either method, I'm sure, will work well. Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9432	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: Pull More

Chris Z, The one thing that I never liked about the old AF trains was the three position switching mechanism. SHS makes it very easy to convert to DC. I tried it and I like it. I have several AF transformers boxed away and it would be easy enough to convert them to DC so I will have to give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion Dave in Eden NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9433	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: 30B transformer question

The voltmeters on my 30B have never worked. The other day I dragged it outside & ran the AC through a bridge recitifier I built for my G Gauge Lionel. Probably just a coincidence but one voltmeter became slighly hot and began to work. It worked for a while but has again died. My question is can the meters be replaced or repaired. I am sure there are no original partds available and I can live without them although it is aways nice to have something 100%. Thanks, Joe Craig.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9434	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 30B transformer question

Joe, My 30B didn't have functioning gauges when I bought it. Since I'm the curious type, I donned my magnifiers and took them apart (they just press together) Found my whole problem was the lubricant on the needle pivots had gelled, a little cleaning with tuner cleaner on a toothpick, and some fresh, LaBelle lubricant, and both gauges now work. I don't know how accurate they are, but the needles move! Don't know why one of yours got hot, it's been a while since I did that, maybe there is a loose connection on the gauge? I know model T and A ammeters often have that problem. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9435	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: I'm baaaaaack!!!

Howdy to all!!!! After thirteen , count 'em, thirteen days, I am finally back online!! My ISP lost their dial-up connection service (bankrupt!) looking forward to catching up on all the posts and to join Sunday night chats again!! Hope all is well with everyone. I actually got to play with my trains more and do a few things around the house!! (I guess there are a FEW goods things about not being online!!) Keep yer rails clean!! :-) Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9436	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?

Hello: Forgive me if I ask a question that has recently been discussed, but I am new to the group. I hear tales of much improved performance, and tracks that stay cleaned if you oil your tracks with Whal Clipper Oil? Is it true, and if so how much do you use, and how often? Oil is usually one thing I try to keep off my rails. Aprreciate any advice or insight you can share. Michael Christensen- The Woodlands, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9437	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/6/2000
Subject: Re: WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, kite1@s... wrote: I hear tales of much improved performance, and > tracks that stay cleaned if you oil your tracks with Whal Clipper Oil? > Is it true, and if so how much do you use, and how often? Oil is > usually one thing I try to keep off my rails. Oops!! Opening up a can of worms again!! Many on the list seem to practice this method of keeping tracks clean and swear by it! Others, like myself, have had little or no luck with this method. My rails seem to stay cleaner WITHOUT the use of solvents, oil, WD-40, Chicken grease, whatever. Just my opinion of course. If it works for you,....great! Rick (pass me the Brite Boy!)Evans......:-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9438	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: SHS beginning of wisdom

Gonzalo from Argentina, If you are into "S" or want to get into "S" then asking about SHS is the beginning of wisdom. SHS = S HELPER SERVICE Their web site is : www.showcaseline.com I could go on for hours talking about all the good experiences that I have had with S HELPER SERVICE (SHS). But the above web site will let you see the products for yourself. If you have any questions they will respond. I started AGAIN playing with toy trains last Christmas when my wife got me an ICG starter set. I now have the SW-1 and the SW-9 engines and about forty cars and 18 boxes of track. Every bit of it is perfect. It runs better than AF (American Flyer) ever did. It looks better than AF. My train room (in the attic) is not yet finished so I have to run the trains on the living room floor and the track even stays together. To make a long story short (for now) let me just say this about SHS: TRY IT, YOU WILL LIKE IT !!! As for the DC conversion of your old flyer equipment I will let others respond to your question. There are some really great and knowledgeable guys on the list and they will be glad to help, right guys ? There is a world of information at Paul Yorke's web site at www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ . Here you will find links to everything you always wanted to know. Good luck, enjoy, and let us know what you are doing in "S". Dave in Eden NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9439	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: SSL&S web site

We've added all the parts to the web site. The last big project will be adding the pictures to the parts. It's at http://www.sscaleloco.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9440	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WHAL CLIPPER OIL>>WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE?

True. Also works with plain old AF smoke fluid which is, after all, low viscosity oil. But use VERY springly. A drop on each rail takes care of about 20 feet or more of track. kite1@... wrote: > > > Hello: > Forgive me if I ask a question that has recently been discussed, but I > am new to the group. I hear tales of much improved performance, and > tracks that stay cleaned if you oil your tracks with Whal Clipper Oil? > Is it true, and if so how much do you use, and how often? Oil is > usually one thing I try to keep off my rails. Aprreciate any advice or > insight you can share. > > Michael Christensen- The Woodlands, Texas > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9441	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Thanks for the replies about my 290

Thanks to all for your tips on my 290. And I DO have Tom Barker's book, BUT,.....for some reason my little brain wasn't picking up on what I was staring at in the diagram!!! Haven't had a chance to give it a try as of yet. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9442	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: subscribe

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9443	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: Re: S scale business opportunity

. I received e-mail from Wayne Pier who purchased "Train Stuff" from Robin and I a few years back. Wayne would like to sell this and his s scale equipment. He would like to sell this as one lot. Wayne wrote....... "........I'd really like to sell it as one lot, that includes the centrifugal caster and molds, the resin molds, including the H-21 hopper, parts, partial kits, Northeast wood, etc. and my S scale equipment, including two Overland Mikes, the Omni Ten Wheeler, SSLS 2-8-0, Heimburger's Doodlebug, two Pennsy Cabin, the ACF covered hopper , J&L tank car, about a 100 cars (app 70 built), structures, rail and benchwork and plans for a 20X17 double deck layout." If you are interested, or know someone who might be interested, please contact Wayne at the above e-mail address. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9444	From: John H. Benton	Date: 9/7/2000
Subject: 30B transformer question

I purchases a 30B a few years ago with one partially working and one non-working meter. The partially working one responded to the cleanup and lube treatment using Tri-Flow, a bicycle chain lube. The problem with the non-working one was the coil wire. It was broken inside the windings. Unwinding and rewinding was a tedious process, but the reward was two working meters.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9445	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Promoting S-Gauge

Fella's and Ladies of S-Gauge, Are we really this SNOBBISH? Following is an e-mail I sent to someone who's site is called ALL GAUGES. Cbtrainnut Wrote to All Gauges, Dissappointed you don't even mention S-Gauge at your site. check this site out to see links to all kinds of s-gauge trains <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/links.htm">Click here: More Links from Paul Yorke</A> you should definately check out the site for Americam Models and S- Helper to large manufacturers of s-gauge trains. Also check out my website link <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/">Click here: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS</A>. There is a lot of information you are missing on you ALL GAUGE TRAINS site. It is a very nice site for what you do have on it! Please don't read this as an insult to what you have done . I'm just trying to help with the all gauges part. Also I saw no mention of TT gauge or Z gauge on your site. The reply back from All Gauges was this, hi! I had emailed the S gauge sites and manufacturers some time ago - they didn't reply. As to the other scales - we only do what we can afford at the moment. Nobody has offered a cent toward our work, so we add new things as money and time become available. O/O27, HO, N and G are hot, and they get priority. Any links other than the essentials - manufacturers, magazines - are reciprocal. We were turned down a few times by S gaugers when seeking reciprocal links. (If I remember right, Paul Yorke's page was one of them) Nothing personal, but I had gotten the impression S gaugers generaly don't want to be bothered. "For what I have on it"? I have a lot - nobody can match us for the sheer amount of information, photos, downloadable scenery products (scalable to all scales) or free resources. Nobody will match us, either - we are presently working on message boards, forums, more videos, more layouts and other features. Of course, it's all primarily aimed at tthe hottest gauges: O, HO, N and G. Don't be offended that I have given S a low priority. Didn't get a friendly reception from S gaugers - got ignored! THAT doesn't do much to make me interested. I mention all scales in the scale and gauge section, and have listed what other scale's magazines were available. Presently, we list 3 S gauge manufacturers, 3 magazines and the NASG on our links page. You have a cute site....nice pics. I thinkTell ya what: when someone is willing to provide the materials and some funding - that includes books and hardware - we'll give S a priority insofar as getting on the page. Until then, it will have to wait. We do what we can. Happy railraoding! Thor from <A HREF="http://thortrains.hypermart.net/">The All-Gauge Model Railroading Page</A> Any comments from Paul on this? How about Don Thompson? Did this guy really contact anyone ? I'm just curios as to how this happened to someone and why they feel this way, and if it is happenng to others out there that feel the same about us S-Gauge folks If it is , what can we do to change that perception? Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9446	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Promoting S-Gauge

cbtrainnut@... wrote: > Fella's and Ladies of S-Gauge, Are we really this SNOBBISH? Following is an > e-mail I sent to someone who's site is called ALL GAUGES. > (snip) > > I had emailed the S gauge sites and manufacturers some time ago - they didn't > reply. As to the other scales - we only do what we can afford at the moment. > Nobody has offered a cent toward our work, so we add new things as money and > time become available. O/O27, HO, N and G are hot, and they get priority. > Any links other than the essentials - manufacturers, magazines - are > reciprocal. We were turned down a few times by S gaugers when seeking > reciprocal links. (If I remember right, Paul Yorke's page was one of them) > Nothing personal, but I had gotten the impression S gaugers generaly don't > want to be bothered. (snip) We were approached by these folks for reciprocal links, and we said 'no thanks.' It is not a matter of snobbishness (hope that is a word), but more of a case of positioning our company with similar products. When we looked at the All Gauge site, 0-27/toy trains was the primary focus. Our products, while some will work in a Lionel O-27 environment, are not designed for the fellow with 0-27. Frankly, we do not have time to explain to the average 0-27 railroader why our superdetailed sawmill kit in O Scale does not unload logs like the Lionel one did in the 1950's. It is just a case of apples and oranges. Each venue of model railroading has some very different requirements and needs. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9447	From: robert wight	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: Animated Station

Hi, Bob Wight (bobgaylord sign on name) is sort of back. Still have duck hunting soon. Had some great fishing trips and times. Still doing some things, but the season is winding down and now I'm getting the Train bug again. I have decided to build me a whole new layout this year. I have recently picked up a animated station. One of my questions is is the mat supposed to be glued down. the people run around hellter skelter and go in both entrances. That brings up the other question. Should the people be so disorganized. Which seems to me like a real life station is. since I'm not famillur with this accessory I could use some suggestions. Thanks. Happy Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9448	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/8/2000
Subject: SOLVENT & OTHER CLEANER QUESTIONS

Encouraged by the success of a repair I have completed on my AF 356, I have been in heavy study of Thomas Barker's excellent book - GREENBERG'S American Flyer S Gauge Repair and Operating Manual. Wanting to tackle projects on my other engines that need attention I need your advice on the following questions: 1)On page 22, he talks about the SMOKE UNIT and "loosening the wadded wick with an injection of non flammable solvent. What do YOU use for solvent? 2) Friends have told me to clean my reverse unit with WD40. What do you recommend? 3)Any recommendations on a cleaner for metal and plastic wheels? Appreciate the advice. Michael Christensen - The Woodlands, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9449	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: Re: SOLVENT & OTHER CLEANER QUESTIONS

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, kite1@s... wrote: : > 1)On page 22, he talks about the SMOKE UNIT and "loosening the wadded > wick with an injection of non flammable solvent. What do YOU use for > solvent? > 2) Friends have told me to clean my reverse unit with WD40. What do you > recommend? > 3)Any recommendations on a cleaner for metal and plastic wheels? > > Appreciate the advice. Michael Christensen - The Woodlands, Texas I remember when I first joined the list, I was catching up on old posts, and I brought up this very issue. I also remember having my first "David Dewey" belly laugh when I read his response!! I have had good luck with TV tuner cleaner for the smoke unit and the reverse unit. I have used WD40 on metal and plastic wheels, not sure if that's good or bad, but it works for me. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9450	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: The #'s are climbing (members on the list)

I see we have 538 members now!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9451	From: Dave Ewing	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: two new great "S" box cars

Good morning S gaugers; Box cars are my favorite and I just received the two new B & O "Time Saver" re-builts that John Huster is selling. Another great product from SHS. I don't know John but if everybody buys one or two maybe he will sponsor more box cars. The red white and blue "State of Maine" gets my vote. (it could happen) Thanks John Thanks SHS for still another great product. Dave in Eden NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9452	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/9/2000
Subject: PROMOTING S GAUGE

Chris has led us to an interesting site. True, they hardly mention S Scale. Following are a couple of clips. You won't find these among the popular scale links. Glenn "1/64 is popular among diecast car collectors and miniature war gamers; it is regaining its popularity among model railroaders as "S" scale. The height of the average person in 1/64 is 30mm, or about 1 1/8 tall. For many years, "30mm" was the major wargaming scale. 30mm scale was supplanted by the profusion of 25mm figures in the early 1970s." "S scale, promoted heavily by the A.C. Gilbert company, is 1/64 scale. It was very popular up until the early 1960s, being the biggest competition to Lionel's O and O27 trains. S tends to be more accurate, insofar as scale. It is slowly regaining popularity in North America, as S offers opportunities for more detail than HO without the large size of O and O27." Happy railroading! Thor from http://thortrains.hypermart.net/ The All-Gauge Model Railroading Page

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9453	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: HEADS UP GUYS

I'm not pointing a finger, but If some of you guys are biding on E-BAY AND the seller is gruntman9 . Check his other auctions and look at the items and their bid historys. Seems like a bidder named retired67 is always just under the reserve price and once the item gets to that amount he bids no more. I don't accuse anyone but Iam making a strong statement here and stand by my concerns. Please correct me if I'm in the wrong ballfield. Not to many of you know me,but Ifelt this should be brought up again correct me if I"m wrong and I will do the right thing. Michael strickland Contact me at my E-Mail address if you think this should be addressed off S-Trains list

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9454	From: Ron Brady	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] HEADS UP GUYS

I think you did the right thing. Admit it or not, a lot of people on this list buy and sell on ebay Ron anormal1@... wrote: > > I'm not pointing a finger, but If some of you guys are biding on E-BAY AND > the seller is gruntman9 . Check his other auctions and look at the items and > their bid historys. Seems like a bidder named retired67 is always just under > the reserve price and once the item gets to that amount he bids no more. I > don't accuse anyone but Iam making a strong statement here and stand by my > concerns. Please correct me if I'm in the wrong ballfield. Not to many of you > know me,but Ifelt this should be brought up again correct me if I"m wrong and > I will do the right thing. > > Michael strickland > > Contact me at my E-Mail address if you think this should be addressed off > S-Trains list > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9455	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] WANT WINTER SET INFO

> PS. ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A GOOD PICTURE OF THE ALL ABOARD WINTER SET > PANELS...PREFER PLAN VIEWS WITH CLOSE UPS...I WANT TO REPAINT MY GREEN > SET...BOB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9456	From: John	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track "Flex track"

Hi All S-Guagers: <Please Help> I recently converted 15 straight sections of Lionel Gargrave FlexTrack to S-Guage size What I need is some Help on how to Bend -Curve the flex track to the S-Guage curve? I have set up three pieces of the older original Flyer Track as a Jig on a stiff piece of Plywood as a Guide But before I start Bending around the ol Waist Bit I thought som of our Engineers out their might have a Better Idea on setting up a Jig that a Guy could make and use that would be far more accurate then the one I have set -up? I have 8 to 10 36" sections to curve plus 3 30" ones. I have set -up a Board and Nails and curved Flyer sort of jig Where you toenailed the end of the Track and gently bend the Track around the Flyer Jig I have not Tried it yet as I hate to possibly destroy a perfectly Good Track. So I thought maybe some help could be out there! If any one is interested in how to convert the 3 Rail Gargraves Ill gladly post the instructs it's actually quite easy and fun to boot. Thanks <John>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9457	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 747

Just wondering, are all of those items really worth the prices they are being bid up to? I have seen many times non-working and very worn out pieces settle at prices several times what a new comparable item sells for currently. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@egroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@egroups.com] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 3:50 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 747 To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. two new great "S" box cars From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> 2. PROMOTING S GAUGE From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> 3. HEADS UP GUYS From: anormal1@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:21:06 -0400 From: "Dave Ewing" <bryce@...> Subject: two new great "S" box cars Good morning S gaugers; Box cars are my favorite and I just received the two new B & O "Time Saver" re-builts that John Huster is selling. Another great product from SHS. I don't know John but if everybody buys one or two maybe he will sponsor more box cars. The red white and blue "State of Maine" gets my vote. (it could happen) Thanks John Thanks SHS for still another great product. Dave in Eden NC [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 23:27:29 -0400 From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> Subject: PROMOTING S GAUGE Chris has led us to an interesting site. True, they hardly mention S Scale. Following are a couple of clips. You won't find these among the popular scale links. Glenn "1/64 is popular among diecast car collectors and miniature war gamers; it is regaining its popularity among model railroaders as "S" scale. The height of the average person in 1/64 is 30mm, or about 1 1/8 tall. For many years, "30mm" was the major wargaming scale. 30mm scale was supplanted by the profusion of 25mm figures in the early 1970s." "S scale, promoted heavily by the A.C. Gilbert company, is 1/64 scale. It was very popular up until the early 1960s, being the biggest competition to Lionel's O and O27 trains. S tends to be more accurate, insofar as scale. It is slowly regaining popularity in North America, as S offers opportunities for more detail than HO without the large size of O and O27." Happy railroading! Thor from http://thortrains.hypermart.net/ The All-Gauge Model Railroading Page ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 03:00:06 EDT From: anormal1@... Subject: HEADS UP GUYS I'm not pointing a finger, but If some of you guys are biding on E-BAY AND the seller is gruntman9 . Check his other auctions and look at the items and their bid historys. Seems like a bidder named retired67 is always just under the reserve price and once the item gets to that amount he bids no more. I don't accuse anyone but Iam making a strong statement here and stand by my concerns. Please correct me if I'm in the wrong ballfield. Not to many of you know me,but Ifelt this should be brought up again correct me if I"m wrong and I will do the right thing. Michael strickland Contact me at my E-Mail address if you think this should be addressed off S-Trains list ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9458	From: starr007	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: a.f gp7 shell

Greetings, I would like to purchase a a.f. gp7 shell only in good condition for repaint Thank You, James Starr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9459	From: Rick Evans	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: LeMax Village buildings

Hi all, Collectorsite.com is a web site for LeMax Village buildings,...much like Dept.56 stuff. Sorry if this is old news, I just came across it. A chain store called "Michaels" in my area has some buildings, (the OLD PACIFIC THEATER was really neat, but of course, sold out!). I thought the name "LeMax" sounded familiar, Turns out I had read about it , Page 35 in the Oct. CTT. So if you are looking for buildings, ya might want to check it out. And no,....I don't own any stock in this company! The only problem I see with Dept. 56 and LeMax is that it is always winter!!! Great for the Christmas layouts, but I would like to use 'em all year round! And we don't get ANY snow in my part of California!! OK, some snow back in '62 and maybe once more in the '80's. Where did I read that someone took the Lionel hobby shop building and painted out Lionel and painted over the snow?? Not a bad idea! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9460	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Tank conversion

I just put "CONVERTING AN ATHERN TANK CAR FROM HO TO S GAUGE " out at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/tanks/tanks1.html This was an S Gauge Herald article. See you all tonight. Hope you enjoy it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9461	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

Thanks Mike Strickland for your astute observation. I went to e-Bay for the first time in months and found the cleanest Lionel Flyer and in great big bunches. I was feeling my oats with an impending birthday and a fat paycheck in my hand, so I bid on some of these beautiful diesels listed by "Gruntman9". A bidder named "Retired67" had dibs on everything and I had to push pretty hard to shake him loose. I opened up the list of all Gruntman9 auctions and found Retired67 on most of them. However, once I had signed in, the full e-mail addresses opened next to the e-Bay handles. Gruntman9 was J. Gruninger at MSN. Retired67 was E. Gruninger at MSN. I contacted Safe Harbor and turned these bums in. Today I got this response: >Thank you for taking the time to contact us with this information. >I have reviewed the information that you have provided and wanted to let >you know that members gruntman9 and retired 67, which you alerted us to, >has been suspended. >I would like to thank you for your help in keeping eBay a fun and safe >place to trade. >Regards, >Krysanne >eBay SafeHarbor >Investigations Team Another thief out on his ass. I sure am sorry about those diesels though. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9462	From: Karl Raab	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Winter Wonderland Picture

Regarding a good picture of the Winter Wonderland 6 panel Set. See page 121 in Paul Nelsons book "Famous American Flyer Trains". Very good detail in a B&W photo, note "snow" airbrushed between the rails on the ties

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9463	From: Rick {bAss-flyer}	Date: 9/10/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

*************I have reviewed the information that you have provided and wanted to let you know that members gruntman9 and retired 67, which you alerted us to,has been suspended.****************** Kudos to Mike and Sherlock,....Oops,I mean Chris!! The world is a better place,...well at least until some other knuckle heads try that trick! Thanks for taking the time to solve the mystery (and problem!). Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9464	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Gargraves Track Flex track]

All my track is gargraves. here is how I do it. I use a metal rule or similar object to scribe a curve. Then I start at one end gently tacking town the track with small wood screws. bending as i go. I am sure others have 'their' methods. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9465	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Fw: York Rt. 30

I got this off another message board yesterday. Thought those of you going to York might be interested. Sorry, I can't be in York this time due to family commitments. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:14:35 +0000 > From: Glenn Johnston <joyjohn@...> > Subject: York Route 30 > > I was recently in Strasburg to see the new TCA Museum and to research > some patent documents in the new library. As we were traveling in our RV > thru York on our way back to Indiana, construction was in full swing on > US 30 in York and also between Lancaster and York. It was Friday evening > rush time and traffic came to a standstill several times. This was on > Sept 8 and there is no way they can finish before York in October. > Allow ample time to deal with these backups and drive safely. Glenn > Johnston 95-41496 > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9466	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys

Is this the reason that so many people have stopped using ebay, or is there other reasons of consequence? I have only posted things on ebay a few times, with no problems. What do you think? >From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} " <comic@...> >To: S-Trains@egroups.com >Subject: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:08:28 -0000 > > > > >*************I have reviewed the information that you have provided >and wanted to let you know that members gruntman9 and retired 67, >which you alerted us to,has been suspended.****************** > >Kudos to Mike and Sherlock,....Oops,I mean Chris!! The world is a >better place,...well at least until some other knuckle heads try that >trick! >Thanks for taking the time to solve the mystery (and problem!). > >Rick. > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9467	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: E-bay scams

Okay People I think enough is enough It's time to take these scams one step further, There are laws against this kind of thing. Being thrown off is not enough punishment. I would think that this is theft by deception or some kind of fraud, it' is time to send a strong message that this will not be tolerated. Anyone who has delt with this kind of person should contact his or her states Attorney Generals office and see if there is some way to have them prosecuted for this. We as a group of collectors can watch out for each other but an unsuspecting non member who has not got the word could get burned badly. It is time we send a strong message to these crooks that we will not tolerate being ripped off. Joe Anderson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9468	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 748

John: To bend flex track, make your self a templet (or two), buy a cheep piece of plywood, fiber board, masonite, etc, or something just lying about, 18" wide & 4' +/- long, scribe your curve to your desired radius, ( a pencil taped to a yard stick works well) & cut it smooth with a saber saw. The templet I use is a rounded corner on my layout, some of my curves are made by opening up the 19" rad. of Flyer track to a 24" rad. with 4 curved sections of track to a 90 deg curve instead of 3 sections, this is fairly simple & can save quite a bit of cash since used curved track is plentiful. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9469	From: marc mccarron	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject:

Tar and feathers for the SOB !

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9470	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)

I'm back and on list again. Hello all! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9471	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: New decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

564 California Northern Railway Company, CFRN 52' gondola. (2-99) painted black. Walthers kit. Has the blue & white DDJ logo. White & blue lettering. Set will letter 2 cars. 565 Farmland, FLIX 3 bay covered hopper. (1-96) painted light grey. Accurail kit. Has black, blue & green lettering. Has the FARMLAND 3 color logo. Set will letter 1 car. 566 MP 2 bay acf center flow covered hopper. (6-81) painted light grey. Intermountain kit. Has black lettering. Large 5' Missouri Pacific Lines buzzsaw logo. Set will letter 1 car. 567 DJLX 100 ton 2 bay cement car. (8-98) painted light grey. Walthers kit. Has black lettering. Has the blue, white & black outline DDJ logo. Set will letter 2 cars. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9472	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/11/2000
Subject: Need some info

Does anyone know if someone makes a model of this car in HO scale. As I'm getting ready to make a decal set from some info I got the other day. Use link below to see car. http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/djtx51320.jpg -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9473	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys

Jeff writes: > a scam I think I > have seen is one in which I am winning the auction until literally the last > minute, then someone outbids me by some puny amount....I have wondered if > they are using an alias to falsly buy the item because the seller didn't get > as much for it as they wanted. No Jeff, that's not a scam, that's you getting beat out at a point where you cannot counterbid.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9474	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: HO Tank Car Conversion

> > I just put "CONVERTING AN ATHERN TANK CAR FROM HO TO S GAUGE " > out at > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/tanks/tanks1.html RMC April 1989 has an article on "North American CAr Co. two-dome tank car". This car is 4000 gallons. MR June 1994 has an article on "Modeling a Shipper's Car Line 4000 gallon tank car in HO scale." I used a photocopier to blow the plans up to S scale, took the plans to my local hobby shop, and sorted through their bin of old HO stuff. I found several HO tank cars that were nearly identical to the plans except for the ends. To get the correct ends, I just kept looking until I found an HO car with correct ends. I bought a des Plaines Hobbies tank kit to use for a frame, and will use the tank for my lineside fuel oil dealer by mounting the tank on concrete pedestals. Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9475	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: S Gaugian auction article

I have a couple of questions about the items pictured in the article on auctions in the latest S Gaugian. Hope someone on this list can answer them. Does the 24323 Baker's Chocolate tank car in the photo have metal trucks /KC or pikemaster? Also, in reference to the photo of the 21129 Hudson, what is meant by a "C6-7 engine"? Help. Thanks. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9476	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Contribution

Hey yes, I will send in a dollar. Of course, it will cost me a dollar to send it in unless I get the address before Saturday of this week when I leave for the US for a week. Let me know. I would even go to $2 or so. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9477	From: david s garber	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: trucks on 24323

kc under 3x mag. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9478	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: E-bay scams

Joe says: >Enough is enough It's time to take these scams one step >further, There are laws against this kind of thing. Being thrown off is not >enough punishment. I would think that this is theft by deception or some kind >of fraud, it' is time to send a strong message that this will not be tolerated. Well, bravo, but I think some of your "thieves" would wonder what all the fuss is about. The guy who puts some engines up for auction wants to get a certain price. He knows some potential buyers would not bid on a reserve auction, even with a low starting bid, and the rest of us would object to a high start. So, he reasons, I'll start low to make it attractive with no reserve. Great, but now he worries that someone will get his goodies for a hundred bucks! So, under a pseudonym, he bids it up. "What the hey," he says, "I won't bid it past a fair level and the winner will only have to go $5 over that." I sell for what I wanted, the buyer pays what he thought was fair. No harm, no foul and everybody goes home happy." Some people really are not comfortable selling at auction. They may not really be interested in shilling you to death, pushing the price up in increments until they have manipulated you into a bidding fever. They just want a fair price and are afraid of losing their merchandise to sellers bidding low in an inactive auction. I am not condoning this behavior. I am just saying that I understand it and I am not comfortable with the idea of sending such folks to the slammer to do hard time. Getting tossed from e-Bay will be sufficient for a guy like this. Now he knows. People are not stupid, and we are watching. Vicious thieves are something else again. We bagged one of those and got him tossed and tossed a second time on his one month reprieve, too. We also went to Amazon and had him yanked there. He's OUT! If I see him again, I'll stop him again. Keep alert, watch who is bidding, particularly prolific bidders whose names are unfamiliar to you. If in doubt, rat them out. If they are legit, Safe Harbor will tell you so. If they subsequently turn out to be thieves, e-Bay may share culpability because of your early warning. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9479	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Be a list sponsor??

If you or someone you know would like to sponsor a list or two.... Here's what you get. At the bottom of each note .. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by... World's Largest S-Scale supplier Acme Model Railroad Products - http://www.AcmeRail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To get this costs $60 a year or maybe?? ---------------------------------------------------------------- This list is sponsored by... The Best club in Florida Indiantown Model Railroad Club - http://www.ItownRail.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- This money would go to Egroups/Yahoo to turn off the graphic ads that are currently in every note. The ads don't bother me but this sounds like a good deal for someone looking for cheap ads. I don't make any money either way.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9480	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Your Track is a Model Too,

Steel ties?? Isn't that what AC Gilbert used on his track system? Seems as though I was to quick in doing away with my AF track. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9481	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: VISIT COVENTRY TRAINS ON LINE

Today I met with Roger Gerhart of Coventry Trains in Pottstown, PA. When he was at the Gilbert Factory tour in August the idea started going around of getting 5000 people together to put up $500 each to buy the Gilbert Factory. Sale price $2,500,000. Go visit him at: http://www.coventrytrains.com Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9482	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: Heads Up Guys

Jeffery L Tarleton writes: > no, I still think it is a scam some of the time. Say the item is at $20. I > put in a maximum bid of $40. Assuming other bidders haven't left higher > authorizations, the item goes to $22. it stays at $22 for days. Then > suddenly at the last minute it goes to $40.50. Swear to god it has happened > just like that.. I still think the seller thinks he should have sold it for > $60 so he bids it up at the last minute. What's the worse that happens to > him, he pays ebay a small fee? then a few weeks later that same item is for > sale again. If the seller does it, and I am sure some do, then it is shilling, an illegal practice. If another legit buyer does it, and many, many do, it is called sniping. Sniping, or getting a cents higher bid in at the last moment, is a perferctly legal practice which takes advantage of the unique structure of e-Bay auctions. E-bay uses a time deadline, thus a bidder with excellent timing can often place a winning last minute that cannot be topped. In live auctions, the bidders place until the action winds down and the auctioneer cannot get a higher bid so he calls for the end of bidding. Some auction sites have flexible endings which will extend to allow more bids if a last minute bid is placed. This eliminates sniping. Any seller who bids up his prices is committing an offense that has been the longest standing no-no of auctions since Cain sold Abel's appler corer. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9483	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] S Gaugian auction article

In a message dated 9/12/00 4:35:13 PM, jarcho@... writes: << I have a couple of questions about the items pictured in the article on auctions in the latest S Gaugian. .. Does the 24323 Baker's Chocolate tank car in the photo have metal trucks/KC or pikemaster? Also, in reference to the photo of the 21129 Hudson, what is meant by a "C6-7 engine"? >> The trucks on the 24323 (top of page 11) almost certainly appear to be sintered iron knuckle coupler trucks (and they better be!), not Pike Master. The 24323 came in two versions: (1) complete tank construction with gray-painted ends, and (2) split tank version with white-painted ends. The one pictured is version #2. Both versions were made using sintered iron knuckle coupler trucks. The 24330 Baker's was made with Pike Master trucks. The C6-7 for the 21129 refers to 'condition'. This Stoudt auction graded from 10 -1 rather than by the T.C.A./T.T.O.S. grading system. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9484	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: train show

Sept 23 and 24 Somerset PA. (pa turnpike exit 10. presented by big city expos. show will be held at pa national guard armory on pa route 281 north of city. this represents a last minute change of location. directions will be available at ice tracs sports arena (previously scheduled location. (the guard is offering tank rides on saturday sep 23) andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9485	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/12/2000
Subject: lots of train links here

http://www.tadlane.com/rrlinks.htm -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9486	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] E-bay scams

I totally disagree, Chris...when you sign up for ebay, you agree to follow the rules. Bid-rigging is not allowed. Play by the rules, or sell your stuff at fixed price. Just because you don't have the (testicular fortitude) to put up a no-reserve bid, doesn't give you rights to break the rules. Scott Perry > >Joe says: > >Enough is enough It's time to take these scams one step > >further, There are laws against this kind of thing. Being thrown off is >not > >enough punishment. I would think that this is theft by deception or some >kind > >of fraud, it' is time to send a strong message that this will not be >tolerated. > > >Well, bravo, but I think some of your "thieves" would wonder what all the >fuss is about. The guy who puts some engines up for auction wants to get a >certain price. He knows some potential buyers would not bid on a reserve >auction, even with a low starting bid, and the rest of us would object to a >high start. So, he reasons, I'll start low to make it attractive with no >reserve. Great, but now he worries that someone will get his goodies for a >hundred bucks! So, under a pseudonym, he bids it up. "What the hey," he >says, "I won't bid it past a fair level and the winner will only have to go >$5 over that." I sell for what I wanted, the buyer pays what he thought >was >fair. No harm, no foul and everybody goes home happy." > >Some people really are not comfortable selling at auction. They may not >really be interested in shilling you to death, pushing the price up in >increments until they have manipulated you into a bidding fever. They just >want a fair price and are afraid of losing their merchandise to sellers >bidding low in an inactive auction. > >I am not condoning this behavior. I am just saying that I understand it >and >I am not comfortable with the idea of sending such folks to the slammer to >do hard time. Getting tossed from e-Bay will be sufficient for a guy like >this. Now he knows. People are not stupid, and we are watching. > >Vicious thieves are something else again. We bagged one of those and got >him tossed and tossed a second time on his one month reprieve, too. We >also >went to Amazon and had him yanked there. He's OUT! If I see him again, >I'll stop him again. > >Keep alert, watch who is bidding, particularly prolific bidders whose names >are unfamiliar to you. If in doubt, rat them out. If they are legit, Safe >Harbor will tell you so. If they subsequently turn out to be thieves, >e-Bay >may share culpability because of your early warning. > >Two to go, >Chris Zizzo > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9487	From: robert wight	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: E-Bay

Since we are on the subject. Heres my two cents. I have bidded on auctions in the past with this gruntman and was beat out by his counterpart. That was all right because with patience I got a good deal with another. recently I purchased a non train item from a seller that is so flaky that he uses many different names and addresses to countinue his sells on E-bay. I finally received the item and it was a good deal but this person was a real pain in the rear to deal with. But they are every where. we deal with them on a day to day basis in life. If we locked them all up there sure would be alot of room, for sure. I personally have had very good luck on E-bay and so far I have purchased my items for about 1/3 to 1/2 less than I can from the other suppliers . That's a huge savings for me considering I live on a modest disability income. Earlier some one mentioned about how at the last secound the bid is up and gone. That's called snipping and it is a neccessary evil that exist in this environment that a person needs to learn to deal with. Sorry I went over my two cents worth. Happy Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9488	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: eBay hah, hah

Gotta share with you that it makes me chuckle to read this A Fr 356 Silver Steak Loco with Tender Item #428324754 Maybe the A Fr stands for American Fryer Silver Steak......time for some lunch. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9489	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] eBay hah, hah

Sorry, but the Silver Steak edition is not worth as much if it doesn't come with the original onions. I know someone who tried to sell one with a reproduction baked potato...the nerve! Scott Perry > >Gotta share with you that it makes me chuckle to read this A Fr 356 Silver >Steak Loco with Tender Item #428324754 >Maybe the A Fr stands for American Fryer Silver Steak......time for some >lunch. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to >s-strains-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9490	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: article

Thanks to all who answered my questions. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9491	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Tonka

This is slightly off-topic, but too good to pass up. When I was a kid, 90% of my Christmas wish book dreaming was directed at American Flyer and Tonka Toys. Today at Target I found two VERY interesting items in the Tonka die-cast collection ($0.99 each); "Matchbox" size replicas of the Tonka 1949 dump truck and 1956 pickup truck. They will be used as FUN Christmas tree ornaments, and will grace my old toy collection the rest of the year. Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9492	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: apology

I must apology to this list for the last email I'd sent out about harassment. But it does happen to me sometimes and I get sick & tired of it. So please forgive me for what I have said. This is a great hobby, no matter what scale we model. Now back to trains. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9493	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Regarding my posts

For the last hour now I have been reading the posts about my decals/spam. Now if you do not want me to post anything to S-Scale@egroups, I will do so asap. I don't want to make anyone mad at me. I will now be getting the posts by email from egroups, as I have change my settings to email only. If you must flame me, please do so off list. I do not want to start a war here. Also please bear with me, as I still trying to recoop from a auto wreck that happen on Aug. 12th. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9494	From: john foley	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: NASG Renewals

Hi Folks If you didn't renew your NASG membership, We need you. Also You won't miss a issue. Michael Paschall has plenty of the August issues which he will send with your new Membership card. So go to http://www.nasg.org for a renewal form. Also check out the info on our next convention at STEAMTOWN, Scranton, PA. Thanks John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9495	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/13/2000
Subject: Best wishes

Tom, Hope you have a speedy recovery from the accident. I believe the only reason any complaints were begun about your postings is that some didn't realize that you are offering them in S. Either that, or it was your turn to get talked about! (this is said in humor!). Hope you continue to post. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9496	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Tonka

Ted R Larson wrote: > This is slightly off-topic, but too good to pass up. When I was a kid, > 90% of my Christmas wish book dreaming was directed at American Flyer and > Tonka Toys. Today at Target I found two VERY interesting items in the > Tonka die-cast collection ($0.99 each); "Matchbox" size replicas of the > Tonka 1949 dump truck and 1956 pickup truck. I picked up two Tonka travel trailers from Target. I think they would look good behind any vehicle of choice for one's layout. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9497	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9498	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Buy Trains Toll Free - No Fear!

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9499	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Fwd: Coats foam with a hard coat

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9500	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Train Show

Alto Model Train Museum Association !st Annual Toy & model train show. Oct 7th 9:30am-9:00pm&Oct 8th11:00am-5:00pm, Buy Sell Trade All scales At The Station Mall 9thAve.&17thSt. Altoona Pa. this show is being held during "Railfest" in Altoona Pa. Also this weekend, Cresson Area Heritage Festival ,Gallitzin Tunnelsfest ,East Broad Top RR Fall Spectacular. Amtrack Excursions Around the World Famous Horseshoe Curve, tours of the Hollidaysburg Car shops one of the worlds largest shops ,The Historic Juniata Locomotive Shops. The Bellefonte Historical Railroad will operate excursion trains, the Altoona Association of Model Railroaders open house, NMRA East coast convention. This weekend promises to be a railfans dream weekend. Dealers tables are still avalable for the show @ $25:00 for the first table $20:00 each Additional table .O&S scale operating Layouts by the Altoona Area Train Collectors Club Will be Operating. For more Info contact Greg Miller RD#5 Box 1031 Altoona Pa. 16601 814-942-1848 gnrm@ earthlink.net or JOEAWOOD@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9501	From: Scott Perry	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Regarding my posts

I like to hear about new things, as long as the playing field is fair. On the usenet/newsgroups, such as rec.models.railroad you are allowed one post per week. Seems fair, and my company abides by it. For S scale especially, this is one of the few ways to actually find out about things... Keep on, and get well! Scott Perry > >For the last hour now I have been reading the posts about my >decals/spam. Now if you do not want me to post anything to >S-Scale@egroups, I will do so asap. I don't want to make anyone mad at >me. > >I will now be getting the posts by email from egroups, as I have change >my settings to email only. If you must flame me, please do so off list. >I do not want to start a war here. > >Also please bear with me, as I still trying to recoop from a auto wreck >that happen on Aug. 12th. > >-- >Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals >The Herald King of Kansas >N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals >26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 >Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... >Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9502	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Tonka

Speaking of Tonka, which is something I never expected to do on this list, I have one of those large Tonka hook and ladder trucks. Does anyone know where to get repro parts for it? It is missing the two large ladders on the sides and a few smaller parts. I have always wanted to set up a toyland fantasy layout on snow fabric where instead of realistic scenery there would be just every kind and size of toy I could get my hands on -- teddy bears, smurfs, Tonka, pirate ship. toy jets. action figures, and so forth. The Tonka fire engine would be a sort of centerpiece. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9503	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Spam (not for eating)

"Scott Perry" wrote: > I like to hear about new things, as long as the playing field is fair. > For S scale especially, this is one of the few ways to actually find out about things... I agree with Scott! I am a member of another group in egroups and they WILL ban you for spamming! BUT,....as we all know, our little "S" world is,....well, little! Any info on products, train sites, and other related materials is a big help. I have no problem with Tom or any of the other's who use S-list to promote their wares or links. Rick. "keep yer rails clean!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9504	From: Peck	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] decal postings

I , for one, enjoy scanning Tom's list of new items, even though I have yet to make a purchase from him. But as an S dealer, I will probably do so sooner or later, and I am impressed with his ever-expanding line, and the fact that he will make any decal set available in S for us ! Don't stop INFORMING us......I don't consider it SPAMMING at all ! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9505	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: York Registration Card Scan needed...

If anyone still has your registration card for October York, could you possibly email me a scan of it? Mine was lost in the mail, and the deadline is approaching. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Chuck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9506	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coats foam with a hard coat

I have attended a demo by a guy using something similar, which he calls Geodesic Foam. The company is called Bragdon Enterprises. I have made a small test piece to give it a try myself and it is really simple and looks fantastic, even my first piece. I will be using it for construction of my new layout this winter. He also carries many rock molds, some great tree making materials and other scenery products. Try going to this site to check it out. http://www.bragdonent.com Roger Petrella Franktown, CO JAMES SLEETH wrote: > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Coats foam with a hard coat > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:56 -0700 > From: Jim <starbuck@...> > To: JAMES SLEETH <aztecfan@...> > > http://www.sculptorcoat.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9507	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/14/2000
Subject: Oddball's Decals

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for the kind words of encouragement regarding my posts of new decals to this list. If someone out their needs a decal made in S scale, please ask me and I will consider it. If I make the decal using your photos & info, you will get a maximum of 2 free sets for helping me out with the decal. I would also add it to my line of decals. Right now I am not set up to do custom sets, got to many other irons in the fire. Here are my guidelines: Photos must be prints or high resolution scans so I can read all the lettering. I want to make a decal as accurate as possible. Just like the prototype. Photos must be broad side shots, (sorry no 3/4 shots as it hard to create artwork from) color preferred, but black & white will work also, but I would need to know what color the car is, plus what color the lettering is. I would also need to know what size the lettering is along with the heralds. If you send me photos, please enclosed a LSSAE for their safe return. (large self stamped address envelope) All my decals are printed on the Alps printer, I no longer silk screen print my decals, the only thing I silk screen is the clear lacquer. The film is very thin, using a 300 mess screen count. I like to make all my posts about new decals for every 4 sets I release, that way I can keep track of them better. This way you can see it ever so often instead of waiting 3 months to see it in printed in a magazine. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email me. Regards, Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9508	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: Anti-spam test

Hi Guys; I downloaded an anti-spam program. I added e-groups to my friends list. I am sending this to make sure e-groups gets by the anti-spam program. It should. Roger Hinds

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9509	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: subscribe

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9510	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: Promoting S-Gauge

My two cents: 1) anybody that calls my site 'just a cute site' has never taken the time to look at what is available on it. 2) I am often asked to add links to sites that do not have any 'S' content. I will not do this. My site is for folks that are into 'S', unless a site has material that can be used by my friends, It will not get a link. Recently I was asked it it was OK for a site to link to my site. Soon after that I got a 'nasty' note saying that if I did not add a link to my site they would 'pull' the one that they had added, I said 'go ahead'. 3) I just looked at that guys site, nothing to brag about. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9511	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Background

From: WNHOLCOMB@... I am about to apply some background scenery from Walthers (Instant Horizons) to drywall. The directions say to use spray adhesive for permanent mounting. For the sake of all my trains in the room I would rather not have spray adhesive floating in the air. Has anyone used plain ole wallpaper paste for this scenery or have any other suggestions?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9512	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/15/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Background

More years ago than I like to think about I used wall paper paste to fasten Instant Horizons to smooth masonite and it worked well. Assume it would work as well on drywall. WNHOLCOMB@... wrote: > > > From: WNHOLCOMB@... > > I am about to apply some background scenery from Walthers (Instant Horizons) > to drywall. The directions say to use spray adhesive for permanent mounting. > For the sake of all my trains in the room I would rather not have spray > adhesive floating in the air. Has anyone used plain ole wallpaper paste for > this scenery or have any other suggestions? > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9513	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: on-line Library Photos

A while back, somebody asked about sources of on-line photos. Here's one that Keith Thompson in Seattle (KTIS) informed me of. It took me a while to find it in my files. http://www.mnhs.org/library/search/vrdb/bsearch.html For a fun example of its use, type in trucks, and the range of years that interest you. Some are quite close to vehicles offered in S scale, and should be helpful in detailing your favorite Hartoy, ME, and Ertl trucks. Here's a few of my favorites. http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=48 like Hartoy http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=57 like Hartoy http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=60 for military vehicle fans http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=150 similar to Hartoy http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=155 like ME Chev PU http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=180 similar to Hartoy http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=191 similar to Hartoy http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=202 '48 Ford (like Hartoy) http://vrdb.mnhs.org/newdb/image.html?uid=2000016966aaa&NID=228 '56 Ford (like Aurora) Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9514	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Fw: military vehicles

I saw this truck at Target recently. LOOKS good, but is smaller than the old Days Gone By version, SO can any of you military types tell us the size of a real military WWII style ambulance? Is it Jeep size, pickup size, delivery truck size??? Dimensions would be great (width would be sufficient). I looked at the Adkins URL below, and did not find the truck. Ted Larson (S-Trains guys, please send me direct reply). --------- Forwarded message ---------- Hi All, While surfing the Adkins Collectibles site I stumbled across some new S scale military vehicles coming in June from Johnny Lightning. There's a photo of a GMC ambulance at http://www.adkinsstore.com/ #JL30501 and it looks pretty good. I can't guarantee they'll be real S scale but if they are making them that detailed one can only hope. -- Keith Thompson in Seattle ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9515	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Fw: military vehicles

The WW2 ambulance is built on a Dodge Weapons Carrier chassis. I think the Weapons Carrier had a post war civilian equivalent called a Power Wagon. They are very much larger than a Jeep, although both them and Jeep were 4x4s. About the size of a modern pickup truck but wider as I recall. Ambulance body seemed longer than a Weapons Carrier, must have hung out the back further. Ted R Larson wrote: > > > I saw this truck at Target recently. LOOKS good, but is smaller than the > old Days Gone By version, SO can any of you military types tell us the > size of a real military WWII style ambulance? Is it Jeep size, pickup > size, delivery truck size??? Dimensions would be great (width would be > sufficient). I looked at the Adkins URL below, and did not find the > truck. > Ted Larson (S-Trains guys, please send me direct reply). > > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > Hi All, > > While surfing the Adkins Collectibles site I stumbled across some new S > scale military vehicles coming in June from Johnny Lightning. There's a > photo of a GMC ambulance at > http://www.adkinsstore.com/ > #JL30501 and it looks pretty good. I can't guarantee they'll be real S > scale but if they are making them that detailed one can only hope. -- > Keith Thompson in Seattle > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9516	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Background

I have been told, but have not tried, to use a 50/50 mixture of Elmer's white glue on both surfaces. WNHOLCOMB@... wrote: > > From: WNHOLCOMB@... > > I am about to apply some background scenery from Walthers (Instant Horizons) > to drywall. The directions say to use spray adhesive for permanent mounting. > For the sake of all my trains in the room I would rather not have spray > adhesive floating in the air. Has anyone used plain ole wallpaper paste for > this scenery or have any other suggestions? > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9517	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: wind-up A.F.

I got this note today: (Maybe one of you folks can help her, she is not a list member)Dear Mr. Yorke, I have 2 cast iron toy wind-up train engines, several pieces of track, 1 tin coal car, 2 tin passenger cars, and 1 tin baggage car. The larger engine has "A.F.16" in raised letters under the engineer's windows. The smaller engine has "A.F. 13." There is original black, yellow, and red paint. The baggage car has 2 sliding doors and has "American Flyer Line, American Flyer Electric Service (with a logo), Express Baggage, 1202." The 2 passenger cars have "American Flyer, 1203." The coal car has "No. 120." Both engines still work but the smaller one has one wheel missing. If the engines are supposed to have those long pieces (rowing arms?) connecting the wheels, they are missing. On some of the track pieces there is a mark that says "West Germany." I would like to learn about the age and value of these pieces. Any help you could offer will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Linda Hotz hotzmdale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9518	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: circus stuff

Hi While not an S scaler I subscribe to your egroup cause there is much on it that relates to any scale. I'd like to ask for some help. Currently I'm making a circus train of an old Marx engine and cars that I am fixing up and painting into bright colors. Its coming along quite well. The cars that I am using are old 6" 4 wheelers that I take the just about worthless tops off and am fixing up the cars into flats. At this point I need to find some circus wagons, etc., to put onto the cars. My fear is that O gauge stuff would be too big for the Marx 6" cars and I figured that S gauge would be much better, like Wayne showed in the July CTT. In fact he is my inspiration for my project. However I do not feel the need to buy the (I understand) rather expensive AF repro items, and would be happy with any make that will give me a nice colorful presentation. Could not find anything in Walthers. I thank you in advance for any help anyone can give me. Frank Duszczak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9519	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Chat Sunday Night

To all the chatters,....I hope to make chat Sunday,...taking my uncle to the train station, he is headin' back to Minn. If his train is on time, un-like last Sunday, I should make it. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9520	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: military vehicles

I bought some of the Johnny Lightning Army vehicles. I really like the jeep and the ambulance. Nice detail. I did buy the half track and truck but they look on the small side to me. OR,...are the jeep and ambulance on the large side?? Either way, they don't look the same scale to me, BUT I am no scale expert!! For those that have seen them, whatta ya think?? Rick. "Take a ride on the 'S' side!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9521	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Spam, scrapple, and other eastern Pennsylvania atuff.

As a native (and eternal resident) of eastern Pennsylvania I guess I should enlighten the S-gauge community on the matter of scrapple, a thread which originated from a discussion of Spam (haute cuisine of Monty Python fans). The "official" position of engineers and others involved in the care, development, and nuture of the Iron Horse is that the John E. Wooten, Superintendent of Motive Power for the Philadelphia and Reading Railroad during the last three decades of the 19th century, invented the Wooten firebox so that the P&R could burn anthracite coal, a commodity that is very much available, especially in the mountains north of Reading, PA. An example of the Wooten firebox is easy to see on the A.C. Gilbert built models that used the Reading P7sb "Atlantics" as their inspiration. Most of the other railroads of the anthracite region, such as Lehigh Valley, Lehigh and New England (which had its hoppers represented by A.C. Gilbert), Central Railroad of New Jersey, etc. used Wooten fireboxes too. The lone exception to this was the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR). Little known is the "fact" that the Wooten firebox was really invented to use a substance for fuel that was far more prevalent in southeastern Pennsylvania than anthracite coal... scrapple. Scrapple is a substance, as Bill Porter points out, that is made from what is left over after sausage has been made. Its consistency is often enhanced by the addition of sawdust and material dredged up from the cleanup of the Schuylkill River, a body of water that empties into the Delaware at the (now shut down) Philadelphia Navy Yard. This fuel enabled the anthracite railroads to operate efficiently at low cost. Come to think of it, though, anthracite coal was the substance most often dredged up from the Schuylkill. The mines and collieries of the area "washed" coal using water that was returned to the Schuylkill (or one of its tributaries) to the extent that when I was a kid (50 years ago) the river had large coal dirt "bars" dotting its surface, at least north of Reading. Actually,, when fried and served covered with molasses, scrapple does make a good breakfast meat. The local consenus is that Peters Brothers of Lenhartsville makes the best scrapple. By the way, the Lehigh and New England used gray hoppers (produced by A.C. Gilbert after 1946) for maintenance of way (MOW) service. The black hoppers of 1946 were used for hauling anthracite.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9522	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: CASEY JONES VILLAGE

While in Hagerstown, Maryland on Staurday, I visted the Hagerstown Railroad Museum and The Train Room both on Burhans Blvd. next to the former Western Maryland Roundhouse. The Museum has two American Flyer sets on display and The Train Room sells S-Helper and A.C. Gilbert American Flyer by "L". Of special interest was a brochure for the Casey Jones Village since the Gilbert Co. did a poor version toward the end but the website is interesting at: http://www.caseyjonesvillage.com Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9523	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Re: Fall Get-together hotel

We just found out that the Ramada in is not sold out for the weekend of the CJSS Fall Get-Together. Several of our friends are staying at the Hampton Inn a few miles west of the Ramada on I-287. Information on the Hampton is as follows: Property Name: Hampton Inn Somerset Property Address: 255 Davidson Avenue, Somerset, New Jersey, United States, 08873 Property Phone Number: 732-563-1600 Reservation Phone: 1-800-HAMPTON -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9524	From: Rog	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: Circus vehicles

Dear Frank, Like you I wanted to put together a S-gauge circus train - at least an expansion of the Flyer train from 1950. As you have noted there is really nothing out there in 1/64 scale circus equipment. So I just keep my eyes open for things of about the right size. What I have found so far is: In 1996 Corgi put out a set of 10 Chipperfield Circus trucks in 1/64th scale. They are red, blue, white, and yellow - nice circusy looks to them. They're in the style of Lledo - Days Gone By trucks from the 1920's and '30s. I've used a couple on my train and have most of the set left in the box. I would be happy to sell the extras. Back in the '50s the Banner company put out a farm tractor pulling 4 or 5 circus wagons. The wagons are one piece injection molded styrene in red/blue/green/yellow. There are a couple of cage wagons, a low wagon, calliope, and merry-go-round. They have a nice toy like quality and two or three would fit on your cars. I've seen the set of five for $15 -$25 and you may find individual ones in peoples plastic junk boxes for a buck or so. Majorette I believe put out several circus things. I have a tractor trailer in probably HO scale with two yellow and red cages on the trailer - again probably a good fit for you. Solido has also put out some circus things. I have a red and yellow 1/64 tractor/horse trailer in red and yellow for Circus Pinder. Also several of the small original Corgi Chipperfield Circus vehicles could fit your cars. The Land Rover pulling the elephant trailer and the Land Rover loudspeaker/clown truck are smaller and could fit your cars, although the price for older Corgi toys tends to get up there. Something else that I found are the Disneykin figures from Dumbo - Dumbo, his mother, Timothy, and the ringmaster. While not technically 1/64 they fit nicely on a Flyer car. I took a Flyer work caboose, removed the front fences, put Dumbo and his friends on it, painted it yellow, and lettered it for 'Dumbo's Flying Circus'. It makes a nice caboose for a circus train. I keep circus in the back of my mind and grab things that fit when I see them. I picked up a searchlight this way. It has a red searchlight and generator on a yellow diecast two wheeled trailer. Can't tell who made it. It's a little bit large for us, but it would look good as a flatcar load. The other thing I found is the Lionel horse car (stock car) with the horses heads that bob in and out. Lionel put Flyer truicks on a green car one year, and the kids at shows love it because the horses move. I found a Lionel one in yellow and will reletter it some day for the circus and turn the horses into zebras. Don't discard the repro Flyer circus wagons. They have a nice look to them and are bright and colorful. These are a few ideas for you. Regards, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9525	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/17/2000
Subject: wanted info/pics of the Deluth, Missabi & Iron Range Railway Co.

Hi All, My Uncle was out from Minnesota. He retired from the Deluth, Missabi & Iron Range Railway Co. Would like any info, pics, or links that deal with it. Thanks a lot!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9526	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple

W. Thomas Boussum <euler@...> wrote: >Subject: Spam, scrapple, and other eastern >Pennsylvania atuff. > >As a native (and eternal resident) of eastern >Pennsylvania I guess I should enlighten the S-gauge >community on the matter of scrapple, a thread which >originated from a discussion of Spam (haute cuisine of >Monty Python fans). :::: Section deleted :::: >Scrapple is a substance, as Bill Porter points out, >that is made from what is left over after sausage has >been made. Its consistency is often enhanced by the >addition of sawdust and material dredged up from the >cleanup of the Schuylkill River, a body of water that >empties into the Delaware at the (now shut down) >Philadelphia Navy Yard. This fuel enabled the >anthracite railroads to operate efficiently at low >cost. Tom, you make it sound so much better than it actually is. :<) ::::: more deleted ::::: >Actually,, when fried and served covered with >molasses, scrapple does make a good breakfast meat. >The local consenus is that Peters Brothers of >Lenhartsville makes the best scrapple. Sacre bleu!! As a Pennsylvania Dutchman, this is sacrilege. Everyone knows that scrapple is best when covered with apple butter! :<) Actually, I miss scrapple every now and then, so when I get back up north (say to visit my sister in Allentown or when I go to York--NOTE the tie into trains), I will sneak in a serving of scrapple and apple butter each trip. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9527	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: instant horizons?

Could you provide more info on these? I couldn't find anything on them at Walthers home page, but it sounds interesting. I've looked into backgrounds from another company but they ranged in the 100's of dollars for one 8' piece. What are Instant Horizons like? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9528	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: scrapple

Sawdust! They put that in the shoo fly pie too I think.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9529	From: Bill Porter	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] instant horizons?

Hi David, I have used the instant horizons brand of backdrop a few times - in N and in HO scales. Walthers makes these things that sell for about $7 or $8 each. They are very helpful in producing a 'Wow factor' when your layout is viewed by visitors. Each scene is 24 inches high by 36 inches long. They have about 17 different patterns with countryside, city and transition images. The source material appears to be paintings rather than photos. All are done in perspective. The transitions are designed to provide connections between one scene and another. All are shown in the HO and in the Big Trains catalogs from Walthers. They will work for our scale as well. When I have used them, I have always cut the sky off. That makes it much easier to match the sky from one section to the next. Also, the perspective worked best for me when I mounted the bottoms of the scenes a few inches above my scenery. Then, it is my job to add some paint of my own or to fill in the scenery as appropriate. A few times, I have combined the instant horizons with backdrops from other suppliers. If I need a longer stretch of mountains or of city buildings, for instance. In these cases, I work with some more paint or with building flats to blend the skyline and the scene from one to the next. Lots of folks use these things, so, your use of them does not make for a unique panorama. You can customize them with your own paint, if you are so inclined, or stick on some overlays with trees or buildings. If your target audience is the general population, they are excellent. If your are looking to impress other model railroaders, expect to here things like: "Oh yes, I have that one too." The best plan is to look at them and then use them if you like them. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... <david_horn@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, September 18, 2000 9:24 AM Subject: [S-Trains] instant horizons? > >Could you provide more info on these? I couldn't find anything on them at >Walthers home page, but it sounds interesting. I've looked into backgrounds >from another company but they ranged in the 100's of dollars for one 8' >piece. What are Instant Horizons like? Thanks. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9530	From: Stan S.	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Trains] instant horizons?

> >Could you provide more info on these? I couldn't find anything on them at > >Walthers home page, but it sounds interesting. Try item numbers 949-701 through 717. You might also look at 949- 722 through 725. You can see some of these items (from both series) being used as background on my layout by going to: http://www.trainweb.org/csg/stokrocki/stokrocki.html There are four pages. Stan Stokrocki sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9531	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Circus Digest Number 754

There isn't much available in 'S' but there is quite a bit available in 'O' that will work fine. This group - http://www.circusmodelbuilders.org/ can provide plans to scratch build about anything. They also have resources where you can get 'O' kits that can be kitbashed to 'S' both railcars and wagons. I have done both, with good results. If you do not find what you need at this site come back and I can give you some kit suppliers. Bob > ---------- > From: S-Trains@egroups.com[SMTP:S-Trains@egroups.com] > Reply To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 7:55 AM > To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 754 > > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:49:29 EDT > From: Ogauge749050467@... > Subject: circus stuff > > Hi > While not an S scaler I subscribe to your egroup cause there is much > on > it that relates to any scale. > I'd like to ask for some help. > Currently I'm making a circus train of an old Marx engine and cars > that I > am fixing up and painting into bright colors. Its coming along quite well. > > The cars that I am using are old 6" 4 wheelers that I take the just > about > worthless tops off and am fixing up the cars into flats. > At this point I need to find some circus wagons, etc., to put onto the > > cars. My fear is that O gauge stuff would be too big for the Marx 6" cars > and > I figured that S gauge would be much better, like Wayne showed in the July > > CTT. In fact he is my inspiration for my project. However I do not feel > the > need to buy the (I understand) rather expensive AF repro items, and would > be > happy with any make that will give me a nice colorful presentation. > Could not find anything in Walthers. > I thank you in advance for any help anyone can give me. > Frank Duszczak > > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9532	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???

I see advertised the MTH Operating Coaling Tower #30-9043 as "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one". Looking at the dimensions given, it seems bigger??? Has anyone seen one of these coaling towers? Are they bigger than the "originals"?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9533	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Sniping again

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9534	From: Tom Young	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple

Not for nothin' guys, got curious and after seeing this link, I'll pass the Scrapple thanks. http://www.chickenhead.com/scrapple/index2.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9535	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/18/2000
Subject: S-Trax layout

I am happy to say that my design for a portable layout is looking good in a mock-up to test the track design. I uploaded some pictures to the S-Trains files section. http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Trax+-+portable+mock-up/mock_up.html Works great with a 12 car train.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9536	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax layout

Paul, Looks good! Did you use the 29"R and 24"R curves? How about some information on building the risers. Thanks, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9537	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up

"Did you use the 29"R and 24"R curves? How about some information on building the risers." I used 26 - 19R curves, 6 - 24R curves, 2 - 10' straights and 6 - 15' straights. (one could make a similar layout using 24r & 29r) I am just testing it on my ping pong table, I made risers out of 1x4 , I figured out how many I needed and how much elevation and did a bit of math. I think I will take a different approch on my actual layout. I may try that foam that Don Thompson used on his layout, or may use a sheet of luan and cut it to support the track. The rest of the layout, I hope to contour with paper mache, or something non-toxic. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using WebMail by CyberGate. http://www.gate.net/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9538	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???

--- kite1@... wrote: > I see advertised the MTH Operating Coaling Tower #30-9043 as "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one". Looking at the dimensions given, it seems bigger??? Has anyone seen one of these coaling towers? Are they bigger than the "originals"? According to Joe Haenn of Joe's Train Repair, The dimensions given in the catalog are incorrect and that they will be the same dimensions as the American Flyer original version. They are also supposed to be available in October. Anybody know if they are going to meet that date? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9539	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up

Hey Paul! You wrote; "The rest of the layout, I hope to contour with paper mache, or something non-toxic." HEY! I can get you a real good deal on some Asbestos cloth! It's almost indestructable! Your call! S' David D. Who has enough experimental samples of space shuttle tile to keep from getting burned by the flaming to follow. . . . (Honest, I do! My uncle was on the design team)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9540	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: "Just like the A.C. Gilbert one" Is it???

AND. . . the word is these puppies are sold out, even over-sold already! S' David D. So, nobody wants to buy new S accessories anymore?? HMMM.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9541	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: don't get left behind

AMERICAN FLYER SAM THE SEMAPHORE MAN W/BUTT Item #436340715 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9542	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: shoo fly- -

now that's sacred ground - - done right (wet-bottom) it can be a hard choice - - spend money on trains, or shoo-fly pie ;> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9543	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Let's get factual here -- shoo fly pie is the worst pie I have ever eaten, including the ones I made when I was learning to cook. TJ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9544	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Offer to S-Trains members first. Southern Crescent and sold out B&O

I have 2 sets of American Models Pacific 4-6-2 Steam Locomotive's for sale. One is the Sold out B&O Loco with cars. This came in a very nice special boxed set in "AC Flyer hirail". The other is the "AC Flyer hirail" Southern Crescent Loco with cars. Both have only been around the track a couple times. The only thing I did was use the track from the sets which is easily replaceable. The sets are $599 each, that's $100 cheaper than they sold for not to mention the B&O is sold out. Please reply or call me no later than Wednesday if interested.215-761-1815. Thanks Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9545	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: S-Trax Mock-up

Paul, Your layout is basically the inside loop that we built at the NASG/NMRA convention this year using S-Trax. However, we used 29" radius curves through out, and we had a loop of track outside just like the layout used by Thompson at other shows. Using only 29" radius curves gave us an overall layout of 10' x 20'. We used the Woodland Scenics risers which worked great. It speeded up the work by quite a bit. We had the layout up and operating in under 6 hours with only three people working on it. The whole thing was laid on blue styrafoam which in turn was on top of 9 30"x 6' tables. Our thanks go to Woodland Scenics for the risers and scenery material, and especially to Don Thompson for the insperation of the layout, and for making the arrangements of getting us the track and Woodland Scenics material. Lee

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9546	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: mock_up

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/mock_up.html Ran a longer train today. I added some more pictures.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9547	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/19/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 756

Sure glad someone finally made the connection between Scrapple and S-Gauge trains. I was about to bring up Rocky Mountain Oysters.....But......

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9548	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: BACKGROUND SCENES

Have you seen these scenes for your layout? They will scale them to "S". http://www.histvideo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9549	From: john foley	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: MR & CTT

Hi Folks I have been working on an idea that Billy Wade [I think] came up with. The idea was to Invite a couple of the major model railroading magazines to our NASG national convention in Scranton, Pa. next July. Well I got the OK from the BOT to invite them with an offer to pay for accommodations and entry to our clinics, train layout room and most importantly to our trade show so they can talk with and see all the wonderful items from our S gauge manufacturers. So far I have a letter to Jim Kelly at MR and I will be sending a letter to Neil Besougloff at CTT. I have spoke with both of these fellows and they say it may be possible. Well I hope they can come, I promised them a good and interesting time. As soon as I hear from them I will update you folks. This email is also going out to many of our S manufacturers and dealers. John Foley VP NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9550	From: robert wight	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Missabe Railroad

Rick; To your post on the Missabe railroad and the iron range train. Follow this link and type in both on the searce. Wonderfull stories and phot's on what you seek. Happy Railroading. Bob Wight. http://www.mnhs.org/library/search/vrdb/bsearch.html --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9551	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: FAO Schwartz layout

Someone had posted a track plan of the famous Flyer display layout at FAO Schwartz, the New York toy store. I can't find it, though i did once. Does anyone know where it is? Thanks. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9552	From: louis glumac	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: train????

Hi on ebay they list a flyer engine #6473522, can anyone tell me what that is?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9553	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Re: train????

ITS A 282 OR SIMILAR THAT WAS REPAINTED....BOB louis glumac wrote: > > Hi on ebay they list a flyer engine #6473522, can anyone tell me what that is?? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9554	From: john foley	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: NASG Ads Manager

Hi Folks The NASG is looking for a volunteer to become our ads manager. What this would call for is someone to work with non-S magazines to put some ads in with the help of our S manufacturers. We can save a good amount of money if this person can setup the ads electronically and camera ready. Of course all expenses will be paid. If interest please reply to me, and I will call and discuss this with you. I will them ask Paul Stevens to officially appoint this person. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9555	From: Peck	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: Repro boxes

New product announcement for AF folks only--- We now have available blue -&-yellow repro boxes for AF rolling stock. Available in 10", 11-1/4", and 15-1/2" lengths. $3 each. We also have the ability to stamp the endflaps with the outline-letters and digits, like original. $4 each stamped. Obviously, indicate the stamping desired. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9556	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 9/20/2000
Subject: on business

Please unsubscribe me until early October, I will be away from my computer, Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9557	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Some useless trivia

The S-trains list has 544 members with 162 posts so far for the month of September. The S-Scale list has only 231 members with 248 posts so far for September!! Hmmmmmm........? Rick :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9558	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Another new member!!

Since my last post on useless trivia, we gained another new member to the list! We NOW have 545 members!! Rick. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9559	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: National RR Museum Christmas cards

Hi all, Has anyone seen or ordered the Christmas cards that the National Railroad Museum sells? They have some really nice ones! My favorites are by an artist by the name of Tom Newsom. Most of his cards are of Santa with toy trains. Last year I ordered two different sets of cards, one was Santa's workshop with Santa building toy trains, and another with Santa playing with trains. This year they offer (by Tom Newsom), Santa under the tree with toy trains, and another one with Santa and a muti-level snow village layout!! Track is "2-rail", and the loco under the tree with Santa sure looks "S" gauge to me!! All the trains are generic in the cards so they can be any brand you want I guess, so of course, they are ALL S to me!! The artist maybe just wanted to use realistic track, but maybe he is an S-gauger!!! They send samples of all the cards which are great for putting in little frames to hang around your layout (or elswhere). If you haven't seen these and want info, contact me off list. Christmas is just around the coooorner!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9560	From: john foley	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Fwd: Cojncerning S items

>X-NAV-TimeoutProtection0: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection1: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection2: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection3: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection4: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection5: X >X-NAV-TimeoutProtection6: X >Delivered-To: foley164@... >From: Ahoypirate@... >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:09:06 EDT >Subject: Cojncerning S items >To: foley164@... >X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Hi Folks Thor from The All Gauge Model Railroading Page { Great site } needs our help. He would like to give S more representation on his website. So here's your chance to do a little promoting. He needs some examples, photos, etc. Please check out his page. John Foley >Hello! > >Craig recommended that I contact you. > >Though we do not yet have S under a major heading on the site, we are >offering the scale some coverage. A forthcoming article will explain trains >for folks who come across them in the attic, at a flea market, etc. It will >show them how to determine what they have, how to use it, how to get help. >Since so much American Flyer is out there, I want to include pics of the >basic track, track pins / connectors, a lockon and sample boxcar (any cheap >freight will do). Just a few examples are fine - don't want to spend a lot. >Where might I find these? > >Thanks in advance > >Thor from <A HREF="http://thortrains.hypermart.net/">The All-Gauge Model >Railroading Page</A> > >BTW - stop by the site -you might find the 'Almost Scale - adjacent scales" >information interested.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9561	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: New Frisco E Mail list

Well gang, I have decide to start a new Frisco e-mail list on egroups. Please feel free to join. We can share files, chat and other things. Below are the instuctions on how to subscribe to the Frisco email list at egroups. Addresses: Post message: Frisco@egroups.com Subscribe: Frisco-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: Frisco-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: Frisco-owner@egroups.com URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/Frisco Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9562	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: shoo fly

Shoo Fly Pie is best served warm with lots of whipped cream. The best pie used to be made by Dutch Haven in Lancaster, Pa. , but since they are no longer a restaurant and just sell touristy nic naks, the pie just doesn't taste as good. Maybe I just remember it tasting better when I was a kid. I didn't care for the one I bought last year up there. Must be gettin' old. Taste buds not what they used to be. OOOhhh, my lumbago ......... Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9563	From: Scott Brown	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Scrapple

Now, scrapple is another subject all together. My taste buds may be going, but I NEVER, EVER liked the taste of s-crap-ple. Not even as a kid. :-) Scott Brown

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9564	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Re: shoo fly

HOW ABOUT SHOO FLY AT GOOD AND PLENTY NEAR INTERCOURSE !!! PUT THIER VANILLA ICE CREAM ON IT!!!BTW...WHAT REALLY IS SCRAPPLE...IT LOOKS AWFUL...DO PEOPLE EAT IT? BOB Scott Brown wrote: > > Shoo Fly Pie is best served warm with lots of whipped cream. The best pie used > to be made by Dutch Haven in Lancaster, Pa. , but since they are no longer a > restaurant and just sell touristy nic naks, the pie just doesn't taste as good. > Maybe I just remember it tasting better when I was a kid. I didn't care for the > one I bought last year up there. Must be gettin' old. Taste buds not what they > used to be. OOOhhh, my lumbago ......... > > Scott Brown > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9565	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: Passenger Trucks

Has anyone made the "American Flyer" passenger car scale length as described in one of the old "S-Gauge Heralds"? Also I need to make a new floor and want to use a passenger truck instead of the Flyer ones. Is there a vendor with the correct ones, or what is close?? Thanks for the help! Ted [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9566	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: passenger trucks/spliced cars

I made two extended coaches out of three silver bullet coach bodies. Didn't make them scale length though. I made them the length of 960 series streamlined cars, about 3 window pairs or so longer, and in fact mounted them on 960 series floors. I used Old Huff n Puff steps, which had to be cut down drastically, from Scenery Unlimited, along with some underbody details, chiefly battery boxes. i cut off the bottom skirts, just as the New Haven did to make maintenance easier. Gloss black sides, flat black roof. Clover House makes transfers in S for a New Haven RPO, and I lettered them with this set after painting on the orange (NOT Socony red) stripe above the windows. I made them because I often rode in these cars as a kid. Look for bodies from the later production which are made out of styrene, not acetate. They are much easier to work with. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9567	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/21/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

568 Texas & New Mexico (TNMR) 52' gondola (2-98) Painted black. Walthers kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White, blue lettering. Has the DDJ 2 color logo. 569 DJTX 3 bay covered hopper (2-95) Painted light grey. 4049 cuft. Front Range kit. Set will letter 2 cars. Black, white & blue lettering. Has the DDJ 2 color logo. 570 DJJX thrall gondola. (6-84) Painted black with either yellow or orange ends. MDC kit. Set will letter 2 cars. White & blue lettering. Has the DDJ 2 color logo. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9568	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Backdrops [S-Trains] Digest Number 758

At 9:42 AM +0000 9/21/00, S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: >Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:22:00 -0400 > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> >Subject: BACKGROUND SCENES > >Have you seen these scenes for your layout? >They will scale them to "S". > >http://www.histvideo.com/ > On this same subject, a friend (Fred Cupp) informed me that there are also backdrops at http://www.backdropwarehouse.com/StockPg.htm . Note that further down that same page in the right column, they give you permission to download images from the web page, to quote: "Copyright - All scenes on this site are free from copyright. Feel free to save an images to your PC, especially the expanded scene, then use your local imaging software (most PCs come with free imaging software) to expand to several feet. Remember our printed scenes are 10,000 times higher resolution than the web. Click here for infinite expansions" Fred has been downloading these, printing them, and using them on his own layout. - Jim Ingram

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9569	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: "American Flyer" passenger trucks

For trucks, the old Nimco P-21 is good. This is still sold by Scenery Unlimited as their #311. Bill Frazier In a message dated 9/22/00 5:40:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:21:38 -0500 From: "Ted Weiler" <tjweiler@...> Subject: Passenger Trucks Has anyone made the "American Flyer" passenger car scale length as described in one of the old "S-Gauge Heralds"? Also I need to make a new floor and want to use a passenger truck instead of the Flyer ones. Is there a vendor with the correct ones, or what is close?? Thanks for the help! Ted >>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9570	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Scrapple

In a message dated 9/21/00 7:36:12 PM, sbrown56@... writes: << Now, scrapple is another subject all together. My taste buds may be going, but I NEVER, EVER liked the taste of s-crap-ple. Not even as a kid. :-) Scott Brown >> Being a fellow from the Philly area, I may be biased. But I DO like scrapple, especially with eggs with breakfast. Part of the problem is that brands of scrapple do vary a lot. When I am back East, however, I often pass on the scrapple because the local meat product that I really like is Taylor pork roll. .......as for shoofly pie, I have had samples ranging from great to dull. One cannot cheat on the molasses content. I would recommend the 'wet' bottom over the 'dry' for those who might wish to try one. I am looking forward to having the chance again to try both of these health foods, along with funnel cake, at York next month. There, I worked trains into this! RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9571	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: "American Flyer" passenger trucks

Re: Lengthening American Flyer passenger cars: There was a very good article covering the lengthening American Flyer passenger cars in the December 1995 issue of 'S/Sn3 Modeling Guide' by V. S. Roseman. The article covered lengthening procedures, detailing suggestions, and interior detailing using the New Haven Pullmans. The use of S-Helper streamlined trucks from their Amtrak cars or their Pullman Standard trucks was mentioned. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9572	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: interesting post, price wars begin!

Hi all, I was reading the toytrains list (the TCA sponsored list) and ran accross the following; ". And-----the war gets hotter---a new K-Line catalog showed up, announcing a NEW LINE OF K-LINE TRAINS, called "TRAIN 19", with all cars carrying a list price of $19.95 each. Catalog shows cabeese, work cabeese, hoppers, tankers, boxcars, flatcars, and bulkhead flats--all at one price, $19.95. These guys are going to go at it tooth and nail until somebody crys "uncle". Until then, man it is great to be a consumer!!!! Dick Silber" Hmm, wonder if any of this will spill over into S gauge?? At least maybe some cars that we can convert to S?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9573	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: interesting post, price wars begin!

In a message dated 9/22/00 11:38:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: << These guys are going to go at it tooth and nail until somebody crys "uncle". Until then, man it is great to be a consumer!!!! Dick Silber" Hmm, wonder if any of this will spill over into S gauge?? At least maybe some cars that we can convert to S?? S' David D. >> I hope so, too, but this may be unfortunate news. This indicates that the 'majors' will continue to be short of capital for expansions or new forays into S, aside from the occasional accessory that can also be used on an O gauge layout. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9574	From: yorke@gate.net	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: S-trax layout

I am experimenting with a layout building process that I suspect is completely new. Rather than explain it, I will just photograph it and post the pictures to a folder in the 'Files' section called 'Quiz? - layout method'. I am going for 'light' and 'no foam'. Stay tuned. The first photo is out there, and 'yes' the track is upside down???? This is FUN. --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using WebMail by CyberGate. http://www.gate.net/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9575	From: JamesIngram@track2.com	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Backdrop Warehouse continued

[Digest 759] >At 9:42 AM +0000 9/21/00, S-Trains@egroups.com wrote: >>Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:22:00 -0400 >> From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> >>Subject: BACKGROUND SCENES >> >>Have you seen these scenes for your layout? >>They will scale them to "S". >> >>http://www.histvideo.com/ >> > >On this same subject, a friend (Fred Cupp) informed me that there are >also backdrops at http://www.backdropwarehouse.com/StockPg.htm . > >Note that further down that same page in the right column, they give >you permission to download images from the web page, to quote: > >"Copyright - All scenes on this site are free from copyright. Feel >free to save an images to your PC, especially the expanded scene, >then use your local imaging software (most PCs come with free imaging >software) to expand to several feet. Remember our printed scenes are >10,000 times higher resolution than the web. Click here for infinite >expansions" > >Fred has been downloading these, printing them, and using them on his >own layout. --------------- Fred sent me some additional comments on the Backdrop Warehouse site: At 9:18 AM -0400 9/22/00, fred b. cupp wrote: >Jim: > One set which I found to be very useful is on the backdrop >warehouse site. It is a set of three, which are contiguous... You can >combine or continue these three, which were all taken at virtually the >same time/exposure, camera level, etc. Next time you drop by, you should >be able to see the latest on the front side of the layout. The numbers >are: >< WSKL-990110-A, B, C >. The industrial scene on the backside of the >layout is also a multiple set, but I don't have the numbers handy. > Incidentally, that little Glue Stick I picked up over at >Mailboxes Etc. has turned out to be great for splicing the sections together. >It doesn't get glue all over the table and has several minutes of >"slide'em around" time before it sets up. As I do more of these things, >I'm getting the techniques refined.! -- - Jim Ingram . . . . S Gaugers In Central Pennsylvania: http://www.track2.com/ssg

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9576	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Purchasing Flyer

Just an observation for those who are newly discovering S. I have been operating for two years now, just ripped down and rebuilt my layout and obtained my eighth? loco. I have found a few real bargains and great dealers on the auction sites (live auctions and internet) but I have found that the four best sources of equipment for me have been: My own Chicago S-gauger club fellow members, Mr. Heck, who comes down to DuPage County Illinois from Milwaukee, Todd at Trainsmore and Mark at Americanflyertrains both on the internet. By the way, my short list is not in any rank or preference order. Joe Craig-Chicago Area

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9577	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/22/2000
Subject: Re: Another new member!!

Wow!! That was fast!!! We lost three members, we're back to 542 again!! Rick. :-(

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9578	From: Robert Wight	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Animated station

Gale, it worked. I painted the gals on my animated staion, brunettes, and put up signs,and everyone is now behaveing thereselves and following the right direction. But does anyone know why the folks won't walk out of the terminal part. They disappear but dont come out. They almost make it out. I was wondering do you think that the repo "bottoms" just arnt good or it is the mat? The mat seems fine but the operative word here is "seems'. Or do you think it is the bottom? Last year someone spoke of they found a certain manufactured brand paint pad cut in a certain angle worked well. I cant seem to find this in our archives but I'm very poor at that part. Never had much luck with it. So any help on this matter would help. At this point my new layout is 9 foot by 6 foot. But I think I can get maybe alittle more room to extend it. The lady of the house is willing to eliminate the living room furniture. Thanks. Happy Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9579	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Scrapple & Shoofly Pie

I can't stand it any longer, so here goes. First you saddle your horse and hang a rope on the pommel. Then you find a yearling range bull and rope him. Then you throw him to the ground and rip his Oysters off with your teeth. That's the way real folks eat. Yuuuuuuum, Can't wait till next Spring when the Oysters are in bloom again. Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho RMHR. etc. etc.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9580	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Announcement from Oddballs Decals

Hello everyone, Well I have decided to create my own group for my decal announcements. This will make it easier on me as all I have to do is post the message to one group. It will also help not posting to all the different lists I belong to, having people saying that I advertise on these other lists. You should hear some of the flames I get. So please if you would, follow the instructions down below to join my group. If you have any trouble subscribing, please let me know and I can add you to this list. This list will be for announcing my decals only, no others will be allowed, if you do this, you will be banned without warning. I will give you all 2 weeks to subsribe to my list, before I delete some of the email addys from my address book. This also applies to the model railroad magizines as well. Sorry if you are getting 2 or more posts on this. Post message: OddballsDecals@egroups.com Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: OddballsDecals-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: OddballsDecals-owner@egroups.com URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/group/OddballsDecals Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9581	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Web stuff and more

Cranked out a couple webpages... (and worked the layout) Answer to the layout question... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/s_trax_layout.html Tom's layout... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/layout/jarcho/floor_layout.html Christmas tree SAFETY... http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/xmas/xmas_tree.html Still waiting on the ads to end, checks in the mail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9582	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: New AM K4 streamliner.

Picked up a K4 last Saturday at the local train store (Despatch Junction in East Rochester). Super! It's a beauty. Thanks to AM for producing it. My PRR heavy- weights look good behind it, like the photo on the AM website. Handles AF curves as well as our larger module radius. Smoke and sounds are really impressive. -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9583	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/23/2000
Subject: Another annoucement from Oddballs Decals

Since egroups will not let me add any of the egroups email addys to my email list on new decals, I have made a special folder in my address book for all the egroups addys. Now if the owners of these lists have anything to say about posting to these lists, please tell me asap, so I can remove them. Thanks -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9584	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Scrapple & Shoofly Pie

Steve Blackburn writes: >I can't stand it any longer, so here goes. >First you saddle your horse and hang a rope on the pommel. Then you find a >yearling range bull and rope him. Then you throw him to the ground and rip >his Oysters off with your teeth. That's the way real folks eat. Yuuuuuuum, >Can't wait till next Spring when the Oysters are in bloom again. Gee Steve, that's great! And where do the S-gauge trains fit in? Two to go (apparently permanently), Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9585	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?

This is up on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447356284 I have a boxed one as well, except mine has a grey base and not red, did they make them with a red base post war or is this genuine pre-war model (if made pre-war) finished in red? Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9586	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Re: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?

Neil, This is a for real pre-war one. If you look at a lot of the AF accessories, you will find pre and post war ones identical except for the paint job. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Neil Trump wrote: > > This is up on ebay at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447356284 > I have a boxed one as well, except mine has a grey base and not red, did they make them with a red base post war or is this genuine pre-war model (if made pre-war) finished in red? > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9587	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/24/2000
Subject: Re: Is this a genuine 612 station/crane access or not?

Hi Hmm, "This accessory is in like-new condition" Gee, that's interesting, I didn't know they came with rust bubbles when they were new! Actually, other than that spot on the roof, and one below it on the platform, it does look pretty nice! I know the station itself pre-war was yellow and brown. Almost prototypical for an SP station! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9588	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: cow feet and people's pads

It may be some of the work I did awhile back on getting my cattle loader's herd to cruise their pen and then actually walk up the plank into the stock car that you are referring to. If so (and yes I spent far too many hours on this) the best solution I found was ShureLine replacement paint pads cut at about 24.5 degrees off grain to get the right clockwise/cntr-clockwise rotation about the pen (depending on whether for a brown or black cow) while having enough forward motivation to make it up the ramp into the car. The pads are made of a white synthetic fuzzy material with about a 3/32" napth which is bound to a thin white plastic backing. I bought them at Home Depot for about $2.50 a box. They come two in a box. Each pad measures about 3"x4". Classic/antique automobile upholstery mohair material may actually make a more accurate match to the original material, but it's more expensive, there are many to choose from, and if 100% natural fiber, then moths will like to eat it now, like they used to eat in then. You'll see and can feel the "natural" grain of the fuzz when you buy the pads. I tried a number of different offsets from the grain's centerline (18 degree through about 30 degrees). The lower the angle the better forward speed the cows would have, but they wouldn't have enough sideways tendency to follow the pen's edges very well. Too much offset and they'd plaster themselves to the edge and not move forward very well. I think it was around 24 degrees that worked best. Now they quickly go 'round the pen and race up the ramp as well as through the car when it is activated. Good luck. Remember, have fun, the result is worth the work.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9589	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Trivia time

As most of us know, or should know, young A.C Gilbert competed in the pole vault event at the 1908 Olympics in London. The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? I don't have any further information and was just curious as to the course of events regarding this situation. Any takers? Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9590	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time

COOKE GOT OVER FIRST???????BOB CONNER Neil Trump wrote: > > As most of us know, or should know, young A.C Gilbert competed in the pole vault event at the 1908 Olympics in London. The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m > A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? > > I don't have any further information and was just curious as to the course of events regarding this situation. Any takers? > > Neil T. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9591	From: Peck	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: 612

A red base could be either pre-war or post-war. Red & white building usually means postwar. Brown-&-yellow building usually means pre-war. The BEST hint is the wiring (if original) ...... Rubber-coated = prewar. Postwar = cloth or plastic coated. Can't tell in the picture what the wiring has for a covering. But if I had to guess from the picture, I'd guess POSTwar. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9592	From: David Garber	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: 612

it seems if it was pre war the # would be different? on the box.got to check a 1941 catalog its at my sons so thats a week away.anyone got one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9593	From: kempfam@aol.com	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: NADA

Haven't received the list since Saturday. Ron Kemp

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9594	From: donabrams	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: LTI electronic e-unit

To whom it may concern, Someone asked for help on this a while ago. Hope this isn't too late. I had occasion to repair an Erie PA last week. It had a blown e-unit and motor ( DC). The e-unit part number is 640-8112-116. You just have to "deduce" this from their Service Bulletin drawings. This will work for any GP7, GP9, GP20, EP5 and DC motored PA. Their original e-unit was part number 640-0106-001 and is no longer available. The e-unit for the SP and B&O PA's is part number 640-0105-001 and is no longer available. I'd go for a Dalee replacement here -- I'm pretty sure they have one that will fit. The problem I had with trying to adapt a QSI unit is that they were just too large -- they are socketed so sound boards will plug in and they have extra components. I think that Lionel changed their e-unit back in the early 90's (8112 was the MoPac PA's number). They just don't have the sophistication in their parts system to show alternate part numbers. Even more 'fun' occurred with the DC motor. It has a new number too. Was 640-8251-120, now it's 640-8007-120. The BN GP20 was number 8007, so apparently the new style motor was first used in that engine. But, there's a gotcha. The new motor mounts differently, so you need to also order the new style motor mount -- part number 640-8007-110. Or chop off the motor mount and use epoxy as I did. Didn't feel like going back to 'L' a third time for parts on one repair. Lots of luck, Don P.S. Prices: (retail) are e-unit, $36.30; DC motor & gear assembly, $11.10; Motor mount, $1.40. P.P.S The price list doesn't show a 640-8007-110, but does show a 640-8009-110 Motor mount. P.P.P.S. Their rule is -- "If it isn't on the current price list, we don't have it and you can't order it."

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9595	From: Thor	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Major Site adding S section

The All Gauge Model Railroading Page (http://thortrains.hypermart.net) has made the decision to launch a major S heading within the next few months. We need help with it. We're a bit low on resources this season, but low or not, the decision is made. What convinced us it was feasible this soon is mainly thanks to some things John Foley sent us. For now, S is already covered withinin our Scale and gauge, Almost Scale and Anything Goes articles on the site. You might find them useful, especialls the 'Almost Scale' article - especially if you're looking for more sources of scenery, etc. BTW - we added a Children's Section to the site and about 7 MB of new free downloadable card kits. Come take a look Happy Railroading! Thor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9596	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Wiring was 612

Hmm, wiring prewar rubber, post cloth? I have a prewar electromagnetic crane, known history on this (family inheritance) with cloth covered wires, striped even! Is this an exception that 'proves the rule'? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9597	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: THANK YOU! was: LTI electronic e-unit

Don That's the part number I needed-motor mount!! I have an SP GP with a birdnested motor, and the new one doesn't fit! Been looking for that number for a while, THANK YOU!!! Now the scary thought-my oil drum loader has the same early motor, wonder what I'll have to do when it fries? Gee, only $1.40, shipping will probably be $10. S' David D. PS, the SP, and I think Erie, PAs used the dual wound field AF style motors and need an AC motor reverse unit, the Can motors are all DC and need a DC motor reverse unit. The Lionel AC reverse unit has been unobtainium for some time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9598	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Al Krug's United States Railroad Mapper

Folks, The below link was shared off the SMRF LIST. This program is a great for locating rr lines all over the USA. It is pretty much self explanatory once you learn how to use the program. I highly recomment it. Plus the program is free! Once you install everything. All you do is click on layers and it starts drawing all the rr lines across the USA, then all you have to do is start playing around with the settings. http://www.vcn.com/~alkrug/usrrmap/usrrmap.html -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9599	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time

I think it had to do with the type of pole used. I would have to dig out my copy of the book "The Man Who Lives in Paradise but as I recall A. C. was ahead of his time in pole vaulting materials. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <RCON@...> To: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trivia time > > COOKE GOT OVER FIRST???????BOB CONNER > > Neil Trump wrote: > > > > > As most of us know, or should know, young A.C Gilbert competed in the pole vault event at the 1908 Olympics in London. The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m > > A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? > > > > I don't have any further information and was just curious as to the course of events regarding this situation. Any takers? > > > > Neil T. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9600	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time

----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT ALLEN CONNER" <RCON@...> To: "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@...> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Trivia time > > COOKE GOT OVER FIRST???????BOB CONNER > > Neil Trump wrote: > > > > > As most of us know, or should know, young A.C Gilbert competed in the pole vault event at the 1908 Olympics in London. The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m > > A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? > > > > I don't have any further information and was just curious as to the course of events regarding this situation. Any takers? > > > > Neil T. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9601	From: al paolozzi	Date: 9/25/2000
Subject: Re: LTI electronic e-unit

H i Guys, Their STUFF will make great door stops! amflyral@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "donabrams" <donabrams@...> To: "S-trains List" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: [S-Trains] LTI electronic e-unit > To whom it may concern, > > Someone asked for help on this a while ago. Hope this isn't too late. > I had occasion to repair an Erie PA last week. It had a blown e-unit and > motor ( DC). > The e-unit part number is 640-8112-116. You just have to "deduce" this from > their Service Bulletin drawings. This will work for any GP7, GP9, GP20, EP5 > and DC motored PA. > > Their original e-unit was part number 640-0106-001 and is no longer > available. > The e-unit for the SP and B&O PA's is part number 640-0105-001 and is no > longer available. I'd go for a Dalee replacement here -- I'm pretty sure > they have one that will fit. The problem I had with trying to adapt a QSI > unit is that they were just too large -- they are socketed so sound boards > will plug in and they have extra components. > > I think that Lionel changed their e-unit back in the early 90's (8112 was > the MoPac PA's number). They just don't have the sophistication in their > parts system to show alternate part numbers. > > Even more 'fun' occurred with the DC motor. It has a new number too. Was > 640-8251-120, now it's 640-8007-120. The BN GP20 was number 8007, so > apparently the new style motor was first used in that engine. But, there's a > gotcha. The new motor mounts differently, so you need to also order the new > style motor mount -- part number 640-8007-110. Or chop off the motor mount > and use epoxy as I did. Didn't feel like going back to 'L' a third time for > parts on one repair. > > Lots of luck, > > Don > > P.S. Prices: (retail) are e-unit, $36.30; DC motor & gear assembly, $11.10; > Motor mount, $1.40. > > P.P.S The price list doesn't show a 640-8007-110, but does show a > 640-8009-110 Motor mount. > > P.P.P.S. Their rule is -- "If it isn't on the current price list, we don't > have it and you can't order it." > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9602	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Trivia time

The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m > A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? I think they went to a local pub and after a few ales they duked it out, and the winner got the gold. Speaking of Ol' A.c.,...I came across this in a Sunset magazine, an article about the A.C. Gilbert's Discovery Village. If ya want to check it out, here is the address, www.acgilbert.org Not much at the site though. I believe it is in his home town. Can you name the town and state?? Should be an easy one for you all,...I didn't know it but I haven't read to much on Ol' A.C. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9603	From: fleskovitz@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Gilbert's pole vault

Hi Neil. According to my info, through a judging quirk, Gilbert and Cooke shared the gold medal. This was the first and only time such a thing has happened in the pole vault. If you get a copy of Gilbert's book, The Man Who Lives In Paradise, he details the subject. By the way, Gilbert is credited with inventing the vault box used in the modern pole vault. Previous to that, they used a pole with a spike in the end! Best regards, Frank Leskovitz "As most of us know, or should know, young A.C Gilbert competed in the pole vault event at the 1908 Olympics in London. The gold medal was awarded to Edward Cooke with a height of 3.71m A.C. Gilbert was awarded the silver, also for attaining a height of 3.71m so, what decided one getting gold and the other silver? I don't have any further information and was just curious as to the course of events regarding this situation. Any takers?"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9604	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Pole vault

If two guys tie for height the the winner would be the one with fewer misses or the one who went over in the earliest try for that round. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9605	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: LTI parts - - NP set

Thanks for the insights on LTI reverse (or I guess since they were mfr'd by the big Lie'n L, we should say e-unit) unit and motor mount info. What are the part numbers for the LTI Northern Pacific PA motors, e-unit, etc.? Thanks. Though I've haven't gone LTI for any of my motive power yet, I'm too cheap to buy one of the original NP sets (3-digit that is, don't care much for the 5-digit one) so with a little luck (and lots of "yes dears" and some pearls) hopefully I just might receive an LTI NP set for our 15th anniversary in December. It'd be nice to know what to do if anything component fails. For those of you that have purchased the LTI NP set 49602, should I expect good (and still relevant) documentation with exploded parts diagrams with the set? How' bout with any of the three extras? I have the Greenberg book on 1979-1991 Parts Lists and Exploded Diagrams, but it doesn't mention the NP set (1992). PS I saw one of our club members run his LTI NP set (11 pieces) and even with a B-B-A and 8 cars in tow that powered A unit had power to spare. Quite impressive I must admit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9606	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: A.C. POLE VAULT

Hi Neil and all, I seem to remember that A.C. was fighting the establishment on using a preformed hole for the pole while the British wouldn't allow it. Maybe it was a concession to give him a lesser metal for not obeying their rules. Classic Toy Trains gave S Gauge a free spot in their November issue. Page 23 has the Cincinnati Museum in S Gauge noted as well as the NASG website under HOTLINKS on that page. http://trainweb.com/nasg Staying on the NPSG branchlline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9607	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts - - NP set

Well, the NP set uses the can motors and reverse units. Haven't taken my shells off, but I think it's the current production stuff. Yes, the loco has power to pull, but doesn't like the starting level of AF transformers, it "jackrabbit" starts. I haven't decided what to do about that yet, maybe add a full wave rectifier chip as a voltage drop? You electronic gurus out there have any ideas? Also, the set requires 'tweakin' they don't run right 'out of the box'. For one thing, they have those @!#@ metal coupler bodies and can short circuit, also short out when gong over AF switch frogs. Also, the ladders are mounted on the late body shells, where the molded step was added, so the ladders are just low enough to strike any operating accessory activation rails.LTI obviously doesn't understand AF operating arena. What's the cure? replace the couplers. Check car trucks for being 'true' and free to swivel. Slightly bend the ladders in so they clear your activation rails (or remove them). Other than that, it's a neat looking set, though it doesn't have the slick gloss finish of the originals. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9608	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: A.C. POLE VAULT-Hometown

AC's hometown; Without peaking at my book, it is somewhere in Oregon, Salem maybe? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9609	From: Mark Preman	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains for Sale

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9610	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: metal couplers on all LTI NP?

Did all 49602 LTI NP passenger train sets come with metal couplers? One of my reference books indicates that LTI decided to go with metal couplers on freight cars, but use plastic couplers on passenger cars. However maybe some got crossed up in the process. What does your set have? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9611	From: Scott Holm	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: A.C. Gilbert and the pole vault

It was officially a tie and both won gold medals (no silver was awarded.) They must have had the same number of misses. While there hasn't been a tie for first since then, there have been a number of ties for the silver and bronze, the latest being in 1984 when Bell of the USA and Vigneron of France tied for the bronze. There have been many cases where vaulters got different medals after clearing the same heights, the last and most notable was in 1996 when the gold, silver, and bronze winners all cleared the same height of 5.92 meters. P.S. How come Gilbert didn't make an action accessory of the pole vault? :) P.S.S. The A stood for Alfred. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9612	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts - - NP set

In a message dated 9/26/00 11:00:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, djdewey@... writes: Dave makes several very good points about late period LTI Alco PA sets. Here are some additional thoughts: << Well, the NP set uses the can motors and reverse units. Haven't taken my shells off, but I think it's the current production stuff. Yes, the loco has power to pull, but doesn't like the starting level of AF transformers, it "jackrabbit" starts. I haven't decided what to do about that yet, maybe add a full wave rectifier chip as a voltage drop? You electronic gurus out there have any ideas?>> I have found that the Flyonel Alco sets (except the early B&O and SP) run much better with the Lionel Powerhouse/Powermaster combination than with traditional Gilbert power supplies. The engines actually run quieter, smooth start ups are more easily accomplished, and the Railsounds are better activated with modern power supplies. The electronic e-unit circuit boards also provide rectification to provide DC for the can motors, which are better served by the newer units' are better filtering. As Dave says, the LTI sets (after the Pony Express) are very good pullers. <<Also, the set requires 'tweakin' they don't run right 'out of the box'. For one thing, they have those @!#@ metal coupler bodies and can short circuit, also short out when gong over AF switch frogs. Also, the ladders are mounted on the late body shells, where the molded step was added, so the ladders are just low enough to strike any operating accessory activation rails.LTI obviously doesn't understand AF operating arena. What's the cure? replace the couplers. Check car trucks for being 'true' and free to swivel. Slightly bend the ladders in so they clear your activation rails (or remove them).>> Amen! << Other than that, it's a neat looking set, though it doesn't have the slick gloss finish of the originals. >> Here's some (possibly controversial) food for thought. Depending on how much one is planning to spend, it may make more sense to purchase an original 1957 4 car AA NP set than the reissue. I have, from time to time, come across decent original 1957 NP sets without boxes that were a little over $1000 at York (Of course, a 1956 set will be much more.). This is a h@#* of a lot of money, but a 'full boat' LTI NP set may run ~$700 - 800, as well. Provided that there are no bushing problems, the original will run more smoothly with traditional Gilbert transformers and (of course) it comes from New Haven. The complete LTI set will be longer (nearly 12 feet), but as we can see by the postings, maintenance of the original may be simpler and easier to accomplish over the long haul. Another factor is that the original will probably fetch its purchase price (or more), if you ever choose to sell it, but selling Flyonel with a reasonable return can be a pretty tough exercise. Hope these comments are of help. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9613	From: Neil Trump	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: LTI parts

Does any one know of an after market can motor to replace the poor quality LTI units. I would like to see a 5-pole unit available as an upgrade improvement. Also, for those of us that choose to run LTI sets on Flyer transformers, is there an alternative to the Lionel whistle/horn button, I hate the way it drains the volts to the track?! Neil T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9614	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 763

Bob Conner: I believe A.C.Gilbert added a spike to the bottom of his volt pole, this , as I remember eliminated him (or required him to give back his medal) from the Olympics of 1908. Jerry Dobbs 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9615	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring was 612

In a message dated 9/25/00 11:27:43 PM, djdewey@... writes: << Hmm, wiring prewar rubber, post cloth? I have a prewar electromagnetic crane, known history on this (family inheritance) with cloth covered wires, striped even! Is this an exception that 'proves the rule'? >> I have a prewar No. 594 animated track gang with wiring insulated with black (polymer) impregnated cloth. My prewar No. 587 block signal has wiring that is insulated with colored rubber. Most any Chicago Flyer accessory has cloth-covered wires. Most postwar accessories that I have observed usually have vinyl-covered wire, except in instances where it will be repeatedly flexed (e.g., steamer wiring harnesses, the wire that goes to the magnet on the Electromatic crane, etc.). Other observations, anyone? RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9616	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: compatibility

The slew of posts about shoddy LTI Flyer trains revives my frustration with the new stuff. The term "Flyer compatible" has been grossly misused for quite some time. The new stuff looks great, but I haven't been able to get it to run well on my layouts If you need a different power supply, it's not Flyer compatible. Flyer transformers put out a starting voltage of about 7 volts, and a high voltage of 19 volts. 19 volts will fry a lot of the new trains' boards. 7 volts will produce a jackrabbit start. Many locos will creep out of resistor controlled stop zones created by Sam the Semaphore Man, the Talking Stations, and the Cow on Track accessories. If it won't stay on the rails on Flyer track and deal with the Flyer environment, as David calls it, it's not Flyer compatible. This includes backing through Flyer switches, crossings, curves, and rerailers, tripping Flyer track trips, not striking action car rails and switch and crossing frogs, and uncoupling with Flyer uncouplers. If you have to bend your rails apart slightly to accommodate it, it's not Flyer compatible. Now, as to the new track systems: If you can't attach track terminals, track trips, uncouplers, mail car stands, action car rails, bumpers, stockyards, animated stations, 770 loading platforms, even trestles, are they truly Flyer compatible? Who ever got the idea to put circuit boards and can motors in toy trains anyway? I have only owned 3 electronic devices in my life that lasted more than 10 years. They were all bulky -- a large transisitor radio, a Sony TV, and a stereo amp. Everything else died. And these three items that lasted were all produced before the era of subminiturization typified by walkmans. Subminiature consumer electronic devices are designed to have a fairly short useful life and then be discarded rather than repaired. This is built in obsolescence and in theory is intended to cut labor costs, first by mass production and second by eliminating repair expenses. The benefit to the consumer is lower initial price but you get fewer years of life from the device for this lower price. This is the "culture" that these boards come out of. Can motors are designed to save money the same way, by lowering initial cost through mass production and by replacement rather than repair when they fail. It is almost impossible to repair can motors because you have to destroy them to disassemble them. The catch is that initial production costs for can motors and circuit boards are very high and can only be justified by large production runs that lower the cost per unit to an acceptable level. It doesn't pay to manufacture just a few. So what happens in ten years, when the circuit boards and can motors develop problems or die? We are a niche market that requires smaller devices than the large O gauge market. Will replacements/improvements be available, given the high startup costs of developing them? Or will we be back to running only the old stuff, that CAN be repaired? Part of the importance to us of toy trains is that they are heirlooms that can be or were given or passed down from generation to generation. Our trains MUST be built so they will last many years. I question whether the new trains will satisfy this requirement. In a sense, we treasure our trains because they are the opposite of everything else we can buy; at least I do. They are old, solidly built, easy to repair or modify, our link to a time when America was the industrial powerhouse of the world and things were built to last. Why then introduce some of the worst elements of the present disposable consumer culture? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9617	From: Peck	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Wiring was 612

I've seen cloth-covered in both eras (did I neglect to say that in my posting?), but I've never seen postwar rubber-coating. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9618	From: larry strassburger	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9619	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: metal couplers on all LTI NP?

My NP set also came with the d----- metal couplers. They would short if touching switches and throw the electronic e unit into a full reverse at top speed. Spectacular with such a long train! I tweaked the heights carefully so they couldn't drag over switches. david_horn@... wrote: > > Did all 49602 LTI NP passenger train sets come with metal couplers? One of > my reference books indicates that LTI decided to go with metal couplers on > freight cars, but use plastic couplers on passenger cars. However maybe > some got crossed up in the process. What does your set have? Thanks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9620	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: metal couplers on all LTI NP?

Hi all, Metal couplers hitting switches are bad enough, but when the paint wears off, then you get direct shorts from one unit to the next, unless by chance both trucks are picking up power from the same rail. LTI sure doesn't understant two rail power systems! S David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9621	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 763

In a message dated 09/26/2000 3:42:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > Subject: Wiring was 612 > > Hmm, wiring prewar rubber, post cloth? I have a prewar electromagnetic > crane, known history on this (family inheritance) with cloth covered wires, > striped even! Is this an exception that 'proves the rule'? > S' > David D. Depends on how far pre war you go. Doug is right for the most part. Most of the stuff from about 1913 -1935 was rubber coated. After about that time lots of cloth covered stuff started showing up. Notice I said "about" so don't get out the manuals and pick some nits. Steve Blackburn ...RMHR...TCA...NASG Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9622	From: john foley	Date: 9/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)

See if you can help. John http://thortrains.hypermart.net/helpS64.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9623	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: This 'n That

Glenn Ritter wrote: > Classic Toy Trains gave S Gauge > a free spot in their November issue. > Page 23 has the Cincinnati Museum > in S Gauge noted as well as the NASG > website under HOTLINKS on that > page. > http://trainweb.com/nasg > > Staying on the NPSG branchlline > of NASG track, Glenn Also in the November CTT, the Second-place winner in the track plan contest was an S-gauge layout. And if anybody cares, the latest Lionel catalog is out with a whopping selection for the Flyer enthusiast: 1) American Flyer Christmas boxcar 2) Oil Drum Loader Whew! Such variety! Look out AM and SHS, Lionel's closing in! Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9624	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: LTI northern pacific

I bought the LTI Northern Pacific set when it first came out, i was very happy with the operation of it, with the exception of the "jackrabbit starts" as mentioned on this list. You should make sure you have full movement of the trucks on all cars, some hang up, although i never had a problem. It does have plenty of power, but is noisy. I don't know why buy all my LTI engines are real noisy. But when i put my AC Gilbert Rocket set on the tracks, it is as quiet as can be in comparison. But one thing i NEVER could get use ot on the LTI Northern, the paint job was so DULL in gloss, compared to the real set from good ole AC himself. David writes: "Other than that, it's a neat looking set, though it doesn't have the slick gloss finish of the originals." He is absolutely right, whenever i would go to a show and see the "real thing", i grew constantly unhappy with LTI's paint job on the set, SO I SOLD IT. Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9625	From: Gary.L.Ippolito@clev.frb.org	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Lackawanna Passenger Cars Wanted

Gentlemen, I'm looking for five-car set of American Models Lackawanna Heavyweights. If I remember correctly, they were distributed by S Helper Service way back when. Couplers and wheelsets are unimportant. Thank you, Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9626	From: D Simon	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: ebay madness

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 9627	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Making quick & inexpensive details for layouts......

Hi all, I have not renewed my subsription to "Model Railroader" due to the lack of "S", But I must admit they always have useful articles on detailing, weathering, etc. I just found my Feb. 2000 issue hidden away, (I sold the rest on ebay after making copies of the articles I wanted to keep), which I guess I never had looked at. I am not a scale modeler, nor want to be, but I find it fun to find little goodies lying around that can be painted or modified, and turn them into props and details for the layout. An article in the Feb. issue covered the use of watch and clock gears for making industrial gears and machinery parts. Whether they are plastic or metal, a little paint and weathering makes 'em old and rusty. I would like to hear of other ideas for the use of every day little parts and gizmos that can be used on the layout. Thanks!! Rick. "Keep yer rails clean!"

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9628	From: 5fans@madscape.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Flyer Couplers

I have a 21160 engine that runs really well, but I installed a rerailer in my layout when the engine goes over it,the car comes uncoupled I am using s helper cars and their uncouplers are smaller and are not bothered by this. Is there something I can do to correct this. Thanks Dave........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9629	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: train shows in ohio

oct 1 classic trains and exhibitions train and toy sale 10am to 3 pm knights of columbus hall cherry rd. oct 7-8, 2000 carnival of model railroading cuyhahoga county fairgrounds berea oh . oct 7- 10 am to 5 pm. oct 8 - 11am to 4 pm sponsored by div 4 mcr nmra andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9630	From: andy lorince	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: train shows in ohio

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "andy lorince" <alorince@y...> wrote: > oct 1 classic trains and exhibitions train and toy sale 10am to 3 pm > knights of columbus hall cherry rd. this is in massilon ohio. > > oct 7-8, 2000 carnival of model railroading cuyhahoga county > fairgrounds berea oh . oct 7- 10 am to 5 pm. oct 8 - 11am to 4 pm > sponsored by div 4 mcr nmra > > andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9631	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: Flyer Couplers

Assuming the 21160 has a knuckle coupler on a metal arm extending from the truck- adjust (bend) the coupler arm up slightly to avoid the coupler weight dragging on the rerailer section. If SHS doesn't and Flyer does drag, the differencve is probably slight. You can eyeball to se how much the SHS clears by and adjust your Flyer to about the same clearance. 5fans@... wrote: > > I have a 21160 engine that runs really well, but I installed a > rerailer in my layout when the engine goes over it,the car comes > uncoupled I am using s helper cars and their uncouplers are smaller > and are not bothered by this. Is there something I can do to correct > this. > Thanks Dave........ > > > S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9632	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: flyer couplers

Dave: the problem is probably not the coupler -- it is the rerailer. The rails in the AF rerailer are not supported in the center and tend to sag over time as locos pass over it. You have to bend the rails back into place ( they should be at least as high as the surrounding plastic or slightly higher) and glue some little pieces of styrene or something in there to support the rail and keep it from happening again. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9633	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: LTI P/N's

Dave Horn, Researching my Service Bulletins and price guides (for production dates) it seems that the e-unit and DC motors underwent a change in '90 or '91. The "middle four" digits of the currently available part numbers coincide with locos cataloged those years. Here's what's available from L at this time. 640-8007-120 = DC motor and gear* 640-8009-110 = motor mount for above** 640-8112-116 = electronic e-unit for DC motored locos.* SP & B&O PA's (1981) have the AC motors as used in the 5-digit Gilbert PA's. Replacement electronic e-units are unavailable. Beginning with the Erie unit in 1982 DC motors were used and the e-unit (obviously) was changed too. I just repaired one of these for a customer. So -- if your loco was made prior to 1991 order a motor mount at the same time. * Good number, just used last week. ** There's a disconnect between the price list and the parts exploded views. The explode shows the number 640-8007-110 Their parts people aren't knowledgeable about interchangeability or substitutions, nor is their parts system for that matter. If it's not on their current price list it's unavailable. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9634	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: TMCC

I agree with RB. Flyer, both modern and postwar run well with Lionel's Trainmaster system. I got it originally so that my grandson (3 years old) could run my Lionel stuff. But I soon discovered it worked well with the Flyer too. I use a '50's era ZW, Cab1, Command Base, and PowerMaster. The max voltage can be set so no mater how much the speed control knob is turned the loco stays on the track. I haven't tried it yet with Sam, the Talking Station, or track activated accessories -- the Carpet Central RR hasn't gotten that elaborate in a long time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9635	From: donabrams	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 764

Wow! When I saw today's digest number it made me think of the 764 Express Office. Have we been missing an opportunity here? We could use the next day's digest number to comment on the Flyer piece with the corresponding catalog number. OK, let's see tomorrow would be 765 --- hmmmmm they didn't make one of those. How about 766 (animated station) for Friday??? Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9636	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 15B

I recently acquired a 15B transformer. It has the advertised range of 7-15 volts, but aside from lifting the handle, there is no zero volts. All my other transformers are zero, 7-15, that is, the extreme counter-clockwise position of the handle provides no voltage to the track. The question is - is this normal operating characteristics for the 15B? Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9637	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 764

The subject was L-Flyer motors and Also, for those of us that choose to run LTI sets on Flyer transformers, is there an alternative to the Lionel whistle/horn button, I hate the way it drains the volts to the track. While this whistle/horn button drains volts, it also reduces the Jack Rabbit starts. Cake and eat it too? While a normal open switch contact in parallel with the whistle/horn button. Yes, parallel means to connect the two switch terminals to the two control terminals. If with the horn/whistle control in the circuit is too slow for you, close the bypass switch contacts and you'll get those 2-3 volts back. Of course, you'll have more heat, shorter bulb life and other maintenance considerations. I'll use the lower starting voltage. Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9638	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: 15B

yes.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9639	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

Alan, YEP!! That is a feature of the 15B, 30B, etc., the train doesn't cycle reverse unit when you shut it off. The down side is you have to lift the handle to shut it off. I prefer either not pushing the handle all the way down (deadman's throttle) or adding an "off switch to the track wiring. Lifting the handle through the spring clip stresses everything, I don't like stress! I also add a pushbotton switch from the fixed voltage terminal to cycle the reverse units. I know, I just like switches and buttons, now how to add some 'idot lights' that just blink randomly for effect?? <G> S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9640	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: We have a Winner!! was: 15B

And the winner for the shortest post--that still makes sense!--goes to. . . The envelope icon, please. . . . Tom Jarcho!!! Hmm, I need to get a life, huh?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9641	From: David Dewey	Date: 9/27/2000
Subject: SAy it ain't so. . . .

HI! The following was just posted on Atlamont Press. This is very depressing. The blue roofs of the Miramar have been a landmark since the 20s. We stayed there on our Honeymoon (no, it wasn't the 20s then!). The Miramar had a siding for private cars to park for their "upscale" clientele. I guess nothing is sacred to developers. AAAAUGH!! S' David D. The former Santa Fe lunch counter car that served as a snack bar at the Miramar Hotel in Montecito, CA (near Santa Barbara) has been moved by truck to Bakersfield for use at a restaurant there. The Miramar Hotel will soon be razed and the property redeveloped. -Bill Farmer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9642	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: "I am not a scale modeler"

Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans says: >I am not a scale modeler, nor want to be, but I find it fun to find >little goodies lying around that can be painted or modified, and turn >them into props and details for the layout. An article in the Feb. >issue covered the use of watch and clock gears for making industrial >gears and machinery parts. Whether they are plastic or metal, a >little paint and weathering makes 'em old and rusty. Sorry to disagree with you Rick, but if you're doing all this stuff, you ARE a scale modeler . . . in toy train clothing. Weathering, yet! Keep Hi-Railin', Two to go, Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9643	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

Alan Udy writes: >I recently acquired a 15B transformer. It has the advertised range of >7-15 volts, but aside from lifting the handle, there is no zero volts. >All my other transformers are zero, 7-15, that is, the extreme >counter-clockwise position of the handle provides no voltage to the >track. The question is - is this normal operating characteristics for the 15B? Alan: The 15B (and, I believe, the 30B) has a secondary winding that terminates in a brass contact at the lower end of the coil. When the wiper goes to it's lowest voltage rest position, it is still connected via the brass contact plate to the 7 volt end of the coil. In other transformers, the wiper moves to an insulated rest point, thus breaking contact with the coil. Dead man's feature transformers only break contact when the handle is lifted, allowing the spring loaded wiper to lift away from the coil. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9644	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: LTI P/N's

In a message dated 9/27/00 10:11:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, donabrams@... writes: << SP & B&O PA's (1981) have the AC motors as used in the 5-digit Gilbert PA's. Replacement electronic e-units are unavailable. >> Lot's of good info in Don's note. I would like to add, however, that the three pole open frame motors in the early production Lionel PA's are somewhat different from the Gilbert motors in that: (1) the Lionel versions have double-wound fields, and (2) the motor(s) are actually running on DC provided by a simple power supply that is part of the circuit board that also contains the reverse unit circuit. Don is correct about the required circuit board for these early engines being no longer available from Lionel. I did require one several years ago for my B&Os and was fortunate to have a local Lionel service station that had one in stock.......a happy circumstance, because it is these early Alcos that are operationally closest 'in feel' to the Gilbert originals. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9645	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Shortlines

I need to find out about a magazine called Railroading. In the early 1970's it did an article on the Wellsville, Addison, and Galeton RR (aka Sole Leather Line). Are any of you folks in the Pennsylvania/New Jersey area familiar with this magazine? If so, what other shortlines were covered? Also, is there anyone who has personal experience with the WAG (such as pictures , maps, etc)? I am trying to write an article on the WAG for the Dispatch and have some information from the RR Museum of Pennsylvania as well as the Potter County Historical Society (which includes the Railroading article). I want to do it right, so I really need all the info I can get to do a good layout design. Thanks. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9646	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: American Models PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2

I wanted to express my joy to 2 companies at this time, First is American Models for making the very cool and exotic looking PRR K-4 Streamlined 4-6-2. The Bronze is awesome!!! I am very impressed with the engine as well as the packaging. I can't wait to get the other color now!!! Second is to Tom from Triple S in Malvern PA, I ordered it, he received it and when I let him know I was available for him to ship it he had it there the next day, that was fast and cool. Thanks Guys. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9647	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Fw: "I am not a scale modeler"

----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> To: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: Re: "I am not a scale modeler" > OK,....Chris caught me sneaking scale details onto my toy train > layout!! > But I'm not into total weathering. Haven't bought all the colored > chalk for it yet! Hmmmm....maybe I could steal some from my five year > old! Where did she leave her chalk after drawing on the sidewalk?? > Hope she has a GOOD rust color!! > Most of my layout is toy like! Really!! Honest!! > > Rick :-) > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9648	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: New poll for S-Trains

Enter your vote today! Check out the new poll for the S-Trains group: In the test message I sent out, did it contain any eGroups ad in addition to the "Mark Preman" sponsor note and the " to unsubscribe ..." note. o No it did not include any other ads. o Yes it did include another eGroups ad. o Yes it did include a non-egroups ad. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://www.egroups.com/polls/S-Trains Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the eGroups web site listed above. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9649	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: test message

see survey/poll

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9650	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

Yes. It's called a dead man's control. Very irritating to me- we use one for our club modules. Alan C Udy wrote: > > I recently acquired a 15B transformer. It has the advertised range of > 7-15 volts, but aside from lifting the handle, there is no zero volts. > All my other transformers are zero, 7-15, that is, the extreme > counter-clockwise position of the handle provides no voltage to the > track. > > The question is - is this normal operating characteristics for the 15B? > > Alan Udy RMHRS > Idaho Falls, ID > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9651	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: "S" SECTION TO ALL GAUGE PAGE

Copyright 2000 T. Sheil & A. Sheil All Rights Reserved Help Us Get the S Heading up We can do it with your help! We're on the way to adding a major heading for S gauge, and it's only a matter of time and resources. You can help. Here's a list of things we would like to have, so that we can open a top-notch S gauge section: 1) Old printed materials - copies are okay. We don't need originals......just having copies of old S manuals, instruction sheets, catalogs, etc. will speed the work. 2) Track. We need S track: Original Flyer types and modern types, and every piece helps. Just a piece of track, clips, a lockon....it can be the thing we need to get a section of the S heading up faster. 3) Cars.....anything, even if it's in pieces. We're not looking for collectibles, but common S gauge cars of any type. That includes pieces, 3) Locomotives. Anything, whether it runs or not, whether it's whole or in pieces, or just the pieces themselves. Cheap little train set locos are just fine. 4) Accessories, or parts thereof. 5) Anything else. Let's face it: the budget for the website got absolutely creamed this season, thanks to the need for new software (we have to update the videos, since they no longer support the old Vivo format) and the amount we dropped into our home and garden. It's our first year in this house, so we're working this plus two other websites on an absolute shoestring. I'd like to do it right. I hate to beg, but there's no other way. There's been help already. John Foley from the NASG sent us a LOAD of literature and a nifty PFE reefer. That one car has been a help far beyond expectations. One car enabled us to get a better idea of S scale, to correct a few things on this site, and set the groundwork for a major section. Having it, we know that a major heading for S is only a matter of time. All help is appreciated. Remember - this site is a free resource, and we are committed to making it the best resource out here. I have already loaded up 30+ MB of goods on site, and there's more to come. This time around, I need help to get things online in good time. A lot of people want S gauge, and we're going to provide it. Your help assures that it's a job well done. Thanks! Thor Please email me if you can help: allgauge@... Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9652	From: Victor Bereskin	Date: 9/28/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 764

In light of previous discussions on this list concerning the use of metal body couplers on the LTI NP set, the first thing I did whenI got mine last year was to check the couplers and all of them are plastic. I don't know how to identify if if the set is early or late production, but I like to think that it is late and perhaps it is an indication that the group in Michigan can learn from its mistakes. Vic Bereskin > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:15:47 -0400 > From: david_horn@... > Subject: metal couplers on all LTI NP? > > Did all 49602 LTI NP passenger train sets come with metal couplers? One of > my reference books indicates that LTI decided to go with metal couplers on > freight cars, but use plastic couplers on passenger cars. However maybe > some got crossed up in the process. What does your set have? Thanks. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9653	From: Bill Lane	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: CJSS Fall Get Together Last Call

Hi Guyz, This is my last post before heading up to the Central Jersey fall Get Together. My yard module is packed in the back and ready to go for it's world debut. Here is the info one more time in case you need it. This is one of my NEVER miss events. I have not missed one in 13 years. It is credited as being what made me change to S Scale. I hope to see a lot of new faces there. Bill INTRODUCTION As the host club, The Central Jersey "S" Scalers welcomes everyone to join us at this year's 19th Annual Fall Get-Together. The Fall Get-Together. is a gathering of S gauge modelers and operators that we sponsor to promote friendship and an exchange of modeling information. WHEN September 29, 30 & October 1st, 2000 LOCATION Christ Episcopal Church Hall 220 Main St. South Amboy, N.J. 08879 MODULAR LAYOUT If you would like to bring a module to our convention contact: Don Thompson , Module Coordinator 2 Roberts Rd. New Brunswick, NJ 08901 The deadline for requests to bring modules is September 25th. Modules should be to the NASG S-MOD SYSTEM. If you are not able to bring a module, you can still be a part of the operations. EXHIBITS The modules and manufacturers will share a 75' x 50' hall. Meet S Scale dealers, brass importers and S manufacturers. Tables are still available for those who attend. Last years vendors included: Banta Models (Building & Structures, Tomalco), River Raisin, DesPlaines Hobbies (S Scale America), S Helper Service (The Showcase Lines), RSSVP Models, Down;s MRR, Port Lines (Crown) Hoquatt Hobbies, S Scale Loco Supply, Pennsy S Models, Marker Light Productions, etc. BUFFET On Saturday evening we will be having our usual catered buffet with several entres to chose from. The cost is $14.00 per person. SCHEDULE FRIDAY 1 PM-Set up (all invited) 7:30 PM- Registration, dealers' tables open SATURDAY 9AM-coffee and donuts Noon- 6' Submarine sandwich 5PM- Buffet SUNDAY 9:30 AM-coffee and bagels 10AM-1PM Modules in operation. Church hall kitchen phone number: 732-727-3151 (Fri, Sat & Sunday only) DIRECTIONS TO CHURCH HALL Take the Garden State Pky. South to exit 124. Turn left on to Main St. (South Amboy). The Church Hall is at the intersection of Main St. and Broadway. South Amboy Train Station is on Broadway. DIRECTIONS TO CHURCH HALL FROM THE MOTEL Take RT 514 North. Next exit is Rt 440 East(I-287 E). Proceed on RT 440 to the RT 9 South Exit. On Rt 9 get off at first exit. Go 3/4 around the circle and turn Right on to Main St. (South Amboy). The Church Hall is at the intersection of Main St. and Broadway. South Amboy Train Station is on Broadway. DIRECTIONS TO THE MOTEL From the NJ Turnpike, take Exit 10. Stay to right, look for the signs for Rt. 514 - Raritan Center. On RT 514, at the first light, take the jug handle to the right. The Ramada is 9 stories high and on the left Rate - $75/nite. Contact person - Renee Desaurmaux , Group - CJSS Fall Get-Together. 732-661-1000 . REPLY FORM, RETURN TO MIKE BY Sept 22nd CENTRAL JERSEY "S" SCALERS c/o Mike Anderson 115 Lake Shore Drive Lake Hiawatha, NJ 07034 Or Call Mike At: 973-334-1356 Name___________________________ Address_________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ ________________________________ Registration $26(with buffet) $12 (no buffet) I plan to come on Friday. I plan to come on Saturday. I will bring _______ ft. of mod- ule on (circle days) Fri - Sat Please save me a free 4' table (additional 8' tables are $15 each) -- Don Thompson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9654	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Sound for Small Scale Trains

Have any of you tried this company's products? Do they go to York? Below is a snippette from their web site and the URL. Their products look interesting. I was thinking of adding a steamer sound unit to an old "parts" box car I have. http://www.solarverse.com/ssryco/Welcome.html <<Knox & Kane RR Co. #58 2-8-2.url>> Here's one of their samples (Knox and Kane steamer, the one that goes over the 300' high trestle in PA) I thought it might be fun to have one behind a Royal Blue or Circus engine. No wires to attach to the engine. Fully independent operation. Small Scale Railway Co. 's Mini-Prototype Sound Units are small enough for N Scale freight cars and can be easily installed within locomotives or rolling stock of HO, S, O and G Scales. All sounds were processed from recordings from the actual prototypes. Power is most easily provided using a battery, and track power can be use to extend battery life. Instructions are given describing how rechargeable batteries can be connected and recharged via track power. The Mini-Prototype Sound Unit uses an optical sensor, mounted through the floor of the loco or rolling stock, to monitor black and/or white stripes painted on one of the truck axles. While in motion, the sound unit's microprocessor can synchronize the chuffing sound to the change in invisible (Infa-Red) light reflected off of the striped axle. The microprocessor also uses this information to measure speed and deceleration, and automatically activates the various sounds that are programmed into each sound unit. Maximum chuff rate is 5 to 7 chuffs per second. PS For you electron-heads, would you assume the battery recharger works regardless whether run on DC or AC? Their documentation doesn't say. And you can't leave them an email message through their web site. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9655	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: American Models Wheel Sets

Hi I have 12 sets of American Models Scale Diesel Engine Drive wheels thats 3 engines worth and I would to swap them for the HI Rail versions. Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9656	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

This is probably a dumb question, but the answer isn't obvious to me so I'm going to ask anyway. I have a 15B also, and it seems to me this "deadman control" operates the opposite of the way it should. A real "deadman control" should cut the power for safety reasons when the operator lets go of the handle. That way, if the engineer falls over dead, the train stops. The 15B deadman, on the other hand, requires the extra step of lifting the handle to turn off the power. This means the train keeps going (and eventually crashes) if something happens to the engineer. What am I missing here? Dan Brindell -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> To: Alan C Udy <nsupbnsf@...> Cc: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 15B >Yes. It's called a dead man's control. Very irritating to me- we use >one for our club modules. > >Alan C Udy wrote: >> >> I recently acquired a 15B transformer. It has the advertised range of >> 7-15 volts, but aside from lifting the handle, there is no zero volts. >> All my other transformers are zero, 7-15, that is, the extreme >> counter-clockwise position of the handle provides no voltage to the >> track. >> >> The question is - is this normal operating characteristics for the 15B? >> >> Alan Udy RMHRS >> Idaho Falls, ID >> ________________________________________________________________ >> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >> >> >> S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >> All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > >-- >Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) >and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > >"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool >than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > >S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9657	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

Dan, If you want to operate these as a "dead man's control" you aren't supposed to lock the handle down in the clip, just make contact with it. Personally, I think these were really a pain, but that's only my opinion. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Dan Brindell wrote: > This is probably a dumb question, but the answer isn't obvious to me so I'm > going to ask anyway. > > I have a 15B also, and it seems to me this "deadman control" operates the > opposite of the way it should. A real "deadman control" should cut the > power for safety reasons when the operator lets go of the handle. That way, > if the engineer falls over dead, the train stops. > > The 15B deadman, on the other hand, requires the extra step of lifting the > handle to turn off the power. This means the train keeps going (and > eventually crashes) if something happens to the engineer. > > What am I missing here? > > Dan Brindell > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > To: Alan C Udy <nsupbnsf@...> > Cc: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] 15B > > >Yes. It's called a dead man's control. Very irritating to me- we use > >one for our club modules. > > > >Alan C Udy wrote: > >> > >> I recently acquired a 15B transformer. It has the advertised range of > >> 7-15 volts, but aside from lifting the handle, there is no zero volts. > >> All my other transformers are zero, 7-15, that is, the extreme > >> counter-clockwise position of the handle provides no voltage to the > >> track. > >> > >> The question is - is this normal operating characteristics for the 15B? > >> > >> Alan Udy RMHRS > >> Idaho Falls, ID > >> ________________________________________________________________ > >> YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > >> Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > >> Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >> > >> > >> S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >> All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >> > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > > >-- > >Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > >and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > > >"It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > >than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > > > >S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9658	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: 15-B

The Dead Man throttle release feature, or whatever its proper name is, works as follows: You operate the transformer without pushing the handle down all the way. The handle is thus nestled partway in the upper part of the spring clip. If you release the handle, it will lift up and stop the train. If you push the handle all the way down, the dead man control is overridden and the train will not stop if you release the handle. Tom Jarcho P.S.: there is a minor factory flaw in that transformer: There is a differenti8al of about 3 volts between the low end plate and the first secondary winding. The roller should not be allowed to touch both the plate and the winding simultaneously for a long time, or an overheating condition will occur. In other words , don't leave it on with the handle set to the lowest possible speed just beyond 0) for any length of time. You can check out the action with the back plate off to see exactly where this contact occurs on your "speed" indicator if interested. For more info, see the Roundhouse in the Sept-Oct '98 S Gaugian.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9659	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: test message 2

Please visit the poll and let me know if youu are getting an egroup ad on this or the other test note. It is not fair to the sponsor Mark Preman and the S-Scale sponsor if in fact we are still seeing the egroups ads that we paid to have removed. I need to know what you are seeing. I have S-Trains going to yorke@gate and to paulyorke@netscape , one gets the ads the other does not. I am not asking for your trains, just your observations. Respond to the poll, that way the eGroups folks and see it for themselves. http://www.egroups.com/polls/S-Trains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9660	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: Shortlines

I want to thank everyone who provided information on the Wellsville, Addison, and Galeton RR. Hopefully, I will have enough information to complete my article. I also learned something. A WAG website that I had visited some time ago and hadn't bothered to recheck recently had been updated and added-to. Included were some additional photos and a mileage chart. From here on, I'll double check my internet sources before writing them off. Again, thanks. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9661	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 9/29/2000
Subject: small layout help...........

Hello "S" Group, I'm re-doing my layout and I looking for some layout track plans to fit on a 5x8,5x9.6x9 (no bigger).Can any one in our group help me ? Please e-mail or post your answers. "S"incerely...........Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9662	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: small layout help...........

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Bob Sylsbury" <yazfacts@w...> wrote: > Hello "S" Group, > I'm re-doing my layout and I looking for some layout > track plans to fit on a 5x8,5x9.6x9 (no bigger).Can any one in our > group help me ? Please e-mail or post your answers. > "S"incerely...........Bob Hi Bob, I bought a book a while back titled "Complete Layout plans", by Carstens Publications, INC. It states "all gauge", but seems to be filled with 'O' and 'S' layout plans. Some of the plans have been published before, I have a few copies of "Toy Trains", from the '50's, with a few of the same plans. Bought it at my local train store (one of the few things that pertained to S that they have!), for $7.95. I have been straining my little brain to come up with layout ideas for a 8x11 (or so) foot layout. Having some plans points you in the right direction and of course you can change a certain plan to fit your needs. My problem is trying to figure out the best plan for my area that allows me to reach all areas of the layout without the use of hatches. So many choices, yet so little time to think about 'em!!! If all else fails,...get the old imagination rolling! Good luck!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9663	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Deadman Fan!

O.K. Gang, My layout works on two 30Bs. Half of the layout is almost 18' long. It's easier for me to pop that deadman up during a collision or derailment (unfortunately much to often) than to reach over and turn the knob. My 6 year old engineer can also do it without much explanation when I'm on the other side peeking through a hatch. Jacques aflyerfan (might need to change it to adeadmanfan)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9664	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Pike Registry

This may interest some of you. Ted Larson The Pike Registry is back! Although it never really went away, the Pike Registry had moved to an inactive status while a new chairman was being sought, Andy Hauser has picked up the torch and revised the web pages and listing of registered names. If you have a private road name for your Pike, check out the Pike Registry page to register your pike name and reporting marks. ( NMRA membership is required to participate. ) http://www.cirr.com/~pikereg/index.html ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9665	From: busy-boy	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: 15B

Dan Brindell said: >The 15B deadman requires the extra step of lifting the >handle to turn off the power. This means the train keeps going (and >eventually crashes) if something happens to the engineer. >What am I missing here? A spring, Dan. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9666	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: re-instate

I am back from vacation, please put me back on the list. Thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9667	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: re-instate/back from vacation.....

((((( In S-Trains@egroups.com, Ben Kronenwetter <bg@k...> wrote: I am back from vacation, Thanks))) Did you bring us anything?????

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9668	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Small layout

Hey Bob, If you want to use some current production track, the S Helper catalog has some very nice layout plans in it. Call S Helper if you do not have access to one. Wayne Beachy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9669	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: in the mood

I apologize beforehand, but I guess it's just one of those days. For an authentic 15B deadman's switch, mount your transformer upsidedown and don't clip it all of the way up (or is that down). Well, at least I picked all the beets in the garden today. Stuck them in my son's red wagon. What a beater! The boys are excited to see me pee purple. Have a lovely day, Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9670	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 767

In a message dated 09/30/2000 2:59:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > The 15B deadman, on the other hand, requires the extra step of lifting the > handle to turn off the power. This means the train keeps going (and > eventually crashes) if something happens to the engineer. > > What am I missing here? What You're missing is that the 15B is a "TOY TRAIN" transformer and a true deadman is for the real world..... Steve Blackburn....Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9671	From: Gene Linder	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: York Fleamarket

When does the fleamarket at York begind? Tuesday or Wednesday morning? Thanks Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9672	From: Gene Linder	Date: 9/30/2000
Subject: York October Fleamarket

When does the fleamarket begin at York? Tuesday Morning or Wednesday morning? Hope I haven't posted this twice. Gene [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9673	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: Sound for Small Scale Trains

david_horn@... asks: >For you electron-heads, would you assume the battery recharger works >regardless whether run on DC or AC? Their documentation doesn't say. Probably you will need a bridge rectifier and a capacitor to achieve a smooth DC input for the charger. Available from Radio Shack. Two to go, (or, as is pointed out on the Small Scale website: 2 short whistle blasts for "Safe to Proceed Forward" ) Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9674	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: York Fleamarket

I HAVE BEEN TOLD SOME START AS EARLY AS SUNDAY NOW...BOB Gene Linder wrote: > When does the fleamarket at York begind? Tuesday or > Wednesday morning? > > Thanks > > Gene > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9675	From: afstrains@aol.com	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 768

In a message dated 10/1/00 5:04:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: << When does the fleamarket begin at York? Tuesday Morning or Wednesday morning? >> Wednesday Morning at both of the Holiday Inns on Rte 30. The Valencia Ballroom downtown is open from Tuesday. John and Robin Vanacore http://www.afstrains.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9676	From: david s garber	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Fw: fle market

----- Original Message ----- From: david s garber To: glinder@... Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: fle market the first one starts mon at the velencia holodrome tues I think and billey bud wed with some informal set up tues.dave garber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9677	From: Thor	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Fudging 1/64 - Adjacent Scales

In the model-building world, there's not much that's sold as 1/64. I mean, outside S scale. Aside from diecast kits, 1/64 might seem obscure. However, the war-gaming figures in 25mm and 30mm sizes can be used effectively. Figuring 1/64 is half of #1 scale - 1/32, and a standard 1/32 figure is 54mm, then his S counterpart would be 27mm. Of course, we mean that 27,, equals a 6 foot figure. There are 30mm size figures that run short, and 25s that run tall. It's all in how the maker measures. Does he measure from btottom of base or the bottom of the figure's foot? The most serious flaw in wargaming figures is that many are goofy. The heads are too large, arms too short....you really have to shop around. Those easiest to convert are Civil War Confederate gun crews - with a little work, they make excellent trackside work crews. Here you have the not-fun task of working with cast soft metal figures, so expoxy, small files and great patience are necessary. Back in `74, some of us adopted a 1/64 "base scale" for any work with the figures. Even if a particular figure was under or over-sized, the 1/64 medium proved efficient. 3/16" to the foot is convenient - even moreso than 1/48's 1/4" to the foot, when it comes to precision. Just be rerady to go as small as 1/32 for detail work. A 1/64 medium allowed us to make equipment that was appropriate for all figures used. I knew some fellows who went short, opting for 1/72 as a base (1/72 being the popular medium for model-building) and everything around their figures came up short. Our biggest problem was than in `74, figures were very crude. With wargaming figures, it's not just the little people, but accessories such as carts, bundles, etc. that can be put into 1/64 service. If you're having a tough time finding people for your pike, the 25mm and 30mm figures can be a help, provided you are willing to do the conversion work. Just something I thought I'd pass on to you Happy Railroading! Thor from the All Gauge Page http://thortrains.hypermart.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9678	From: Jeff	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: L-Flyer freight cars

Hello all, Anyone know of a source or sources for older L-Flyer freight cars. Thanks, Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9679	From: starr007	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Jeffs question

Jeff, what kind of cars are you looking for? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9680	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: jarcho-would you please write a book

Jarcho does it again. I wondered why my Santa Fe ABA derailed on the re-railer section. DUH!!as brillant as I am I didn't think of the rails sagging till I read your recent post. I have only been doing this two years, just doubled my layout to 20" long, but I am still in the dark about much. I would imagine that Don must have some rights as to your S-Gaugian articles but couldn't you and Don get together and publish a book with many of your tips and clues. Most Flyer repair manuals re-hash Gilbert stuff but I need a perspective from a guy that has really just worked with the equipment. Thanks for being out there Tom-Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9681	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: mountains

I am presently building my s-gauge layout and need to find out where I can get some Hydrocal or other suitable material for my mountain ranges. I have made Hard Shell scenery before but where I live here in Pa. there aren't many places to get materials. Any help will be appreciated, Thanks in advance, Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9682	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: So what do I win?

This ought to give you guys a hoot. http://www.ttaol.com/article/may/mystery.htm I guess all this chat is good for something. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9683	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Missed Chat, rats!

Hi all, Well, I was outside, just 30 feet from my computer, but the wall was almost ready to go up, and the sun was going down. By the time I came in (6:30 my time) everyone had left the chat room. Sorry to have missed out, but I do need to finish this shed before the rains come. I won't get a free moment to work on it again until maybe tuesday evening! Came in, and the tube was on. The Olympics?? I thought the closing ceremony was already over. Who do they think they're trying to fool by acting like we don't know the results??? No wonder their viewership is off. Well, back to moving train boxes! Will soon have more storage for other stuff so the trains can be stored in the warm dry house areas! Until the move to a place with a train room, or I disassemble this "office/work room" and turn it into a train room! Hmmmm. . . S' David D. PS missed ya all. Hope it was a good chat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9684	From: Bill Clark	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Pictures from Tommy Robichaud's Layout

The Bristol S Gaugers met at Tommy Robichaud's layout Sept 16. Tommy has added a lot to the layout since the last meeting, so I took some new pictures. The layout is not finished, but I think its well worth checking out. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Tommy/Tommy.html Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9685	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/1/2000
Subject: Vaction

Hi all, I'll be heading out on vaction tomorrow, so please no emails till I get back, hear!! Thanks -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9686	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Vaction

Tom, When you get back from your "vaction" (sounds painful!) would it be possible please for you to send your postings to the S-Trains list via S-Trains@egroups.com instead of via OddballsDecals@egroups.com. I don't know what OddballsDecals@egroups.com is supposed to be but it doesn't sound like something I want to be a part of. Many thanks, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Stolte [mailto:oddballdecal@...] Sent: 02 October 2000 04:47 To: OddballsDecals@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Vaction Hi all, I'll be heading out on vaction tomorrow, so please no emails till I get back, hear!! Thanks -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9687	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Pictures from Tommy Robichaud's Layout

Bill Clark wrote: > The Bristol S Gaugers met at Tommy Robichaud's layout Sept 16. Tommy has > added a lot to the layout since the last meeting, so I took some new > pictures. The layout is not finished, but I think its well worth checking out. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Tommy/Tommy.html DANG! That's nice! Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9688	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: AF Rerailer

We had a similar problem with the American Flyer rerailers on my module for the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. It seems that mostly American Models diesels were affected, but there were some minor problems with other locos and couplers. Rather than bend the rails (and have them sag again as per Tom Jarcho's solution), a simple solution for us was to depress the black plasrtic center section of the rerailer and place a couple of wooden toothpicks under the track rails (i.e., between their plastic bottom support and the rails). This did the trick for us. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9689	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: 175 watt transformer circuit breaker problem

OK I need advice again, obtained a 22035 transformer but the circuit breaker stays up and you have to hold it down to operate. I guess this makes it an unintended dead man's throttle. Anyway I love my 30B and could use this to only power accessories. Is the circuit breaker repairable or should I not bother to try and just bypass it (jumper) and use an external Gilbert circuit breaker or maybe a fuse???? Thanks again-Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9690	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: York Data

Everybody is asking: << When does the fleamarket begin at York? Tuesday Morning or Wednesday morning? >> No sense in speculating, go to: http://s-gauge.homepage.com/Yorkdata/ClemsYork.html and check out Clem Clement's York Primer. By the by, if you'd like a York e-groups badge to wear at York, go to: http://s-gauge.homepage.com The boys on the TCA mail list get together for breakfast and wear their badges. Want to know more? Go to: http://www.tcastation.org/york.asp and get the lowdown on EVERYTHING about York! Two to go to York (me & the wife), Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9691	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: would love to shop his shows

http://www.ttaol.com/vguide/aflyer1.html I don't know where this price-keeper shops for his ACG Flyer, but I'd love to go there too. By his definition of VG, for example, I'd love to find a VG 499 for $125.00. I've not seen any for that price, and most of the "cheapees" (~$250) have at least one broken "whisker", something bent about one or both pantographs, and plenty of signs of wear. How 'bout a VG 355 for $40. Point me in the right direction..... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9692	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: Making quick & inexpensive details for layouts......

I was checking out the TTAOL site ,(By Chris Z's suggestion), and found an article (well,...a list), of different odds and ends that can be used on your layout. Ya might want to check it out. Also,...a big pat on the back to Chris for his answer. Ya made us proud Chris!!!! I sent this out once already, but not sure where it ended up!! Didn't show up on the list! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9693	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains

Hi Ben, Here are a couple of things to consider. I have mostly stopped using plaster or mortar for my scenery. Plaster of Paris, Hydrocal and even concrete can be used, effectively, but, they have a couple of drawbacks for me. First, there is a chemical reaction that causes the setting. This reaction is time-sensitive. that means it is necessary to mix the right amount of stuff and then to move rapidly to spread it around. Failure to keep up produces bad lumps and then hardened portions in the mixing container. Second, If it is not applied perfectly, most of these compounds are difficult to smooth over. that is, a trowel mark may become a permanent scenic feature if not smoothed while the material has not yet hardened. Third, there is a disposal issue. The excess compound cannot be flushed down the drain. It will collect in the low spots of the pipes and make a blockage that is very difficult to remove. The way to clean tools an mixing containers is to rinse well and then throw the water out onto the lawn. That is easier for me in Florida with a year-round lawn than for some others. Instead, I have been using drywall joint compound for a few years. I buy the pre-mixed kind in gallon buckets. This stuff does not 'cure', it just dries out. as it is drying (it may take from a few hours to a day or two) it can be smoothed using a wet paint brush. I apply it over screen - aluminum or plastic. The result is not as strong as plaster or concrete, but, it is pretty good. It can be easily sanded and the dust does not clog up the sandpaper. It takes color, dirt, stones and ground foam well. It is best when applied in thin coats - 1/8 inch or so. Thicker coats will probably crack as it dries. The cracks may be good if you are modeling mountains. I do use plaster when I make rock castings. For this use, the other disadvantages are not too bad. These castings can then be applied to a substrate formed from screen and drywall compound by using more compound as mortar. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kronenwetter <bg@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] mountains >I am presently building my s-gauge layout and need to find out where I >can get some Hydrocal or other suitable material for my mountain >ranges. I have made Hard Shell scenery before but where I live here in >Pa. there aren't many places to get materials. Any help will be >appreciated, Thanks in advance, Ben >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9694	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains

You may want to also consider the "light" premixed drywall patch repair compound. It dries faster, is lighter when finished and doesn't shrink much. It is not as creamy as the wet premix, but can help with a faster buildup and then use wet mix if desired. You can also work it with a wet brush or putty knife, but not too much. It sands just like the wet mix. Have you tried using straws buried in the mix for installing trees, wires or signs later. This is my first attempt at messaging on this list, so I hope this goes through. I am an old Flyer guy just getting back to being a kid again with my trains. What a challange it is to find good items at a reasonable price today. I would like to find people in the Sacramento,CA area that are into S. Howard Sheffield - Roseville, CA hjinrosvle@... -----Original Message----- From: Bill Porter [mailto:wpporter@...] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:32 AM To: S-Trains List Subject: Re: [S-Trains] mountains Hi Ben, Here are a couple of things to consider. I have mostly stopped using plaster or mortar for my scenery. Plaster of Paris, Hydrocal and even concrete can be used, effectively, but, they have a couple of drawbacks for me. First, there is a chemical reaction that causes the setting. This reaction is time-sensitive. that means it is necessary to mix the right amount of stuff and then to move rapidly to spread it around. Failure to keep up produces bad lumps and then hardened portions in the mixing container. Second, If it is not applied perfectly, most of these compounds are difficult to smooth over. that is, a trowel mark may become a permanent scenic feature if not smoothed while the material has not yet hardened. Third, there is a disposal issue. The excess compound cannot be flushed down the drain. It will collect in the low spots of the pipes and make a blockage that is very difficult to remove. The way to clean tools an mixing containers is to rinse well and then throw the water out onto the lawn. That is easier for me in Florida with a year-round lawn than for some others. Instead, I have been using drywall joint compound for a few years. I buy the pre-mixed kind in gallon buckets. This stuff does not 'cure', it just dries out. as it is drying (it may take from a few hours to a day or two) it can be smoothed using a wet paint brush. I apply it over screen - aluminum or plastic. The result is not as strong as plaster or concrete, but, it is pretty good. It can be easily sanded and the dust does not clog up the sandpaper. It takes color, dirt, stones and ground foam well. It is best when applied in thin coats - 1/8 inch or so. Thicker coats will probably crack as it dries. The cracks may be good if you are modeling mountains. I do use plaster when I make rock castings. For this use, the other disadvantages are not too bad. These castings can then be applied to a substrate formed from screen and drywall compound by using more compound as mortar. Good Luck, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kronenwetter <bg@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: [S-Trains] mountains >I am presently building my s-gauge layout and need to find out where I >can get some Hydrocal or other suitable material for my mountain >ranges. I have made Hard Shell scenery before but where I live here in >Pa. there aren't many places to get materials. Any help will be >appreciated, Thanks in advance, Ben > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9695	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains

Good point, Howard. Now that you mention it, I too have used the 'Patch N Paint' lighter mixture and it has been good. I used it in thicker areas and especially for filling in gaps around castings and places like that. Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Sheffield, Howard <HSheffie@...> To: 'Bill Porter' <wpporter@...>; S-Trains List <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] mountains >You may want to also consider the "light" premixed drywall patch repair >compound. It dries faster, is lighter when finished and doesn't shrink >much. It is not as creamy as the wet premix, but can help with a faster >buildup and then use wet mix if desired. You can also work it with a wet >brush or putty knife, but not too much. It sands just like the wet mix. >Have you tried using straws buried in the mix for installing trees, wires or >signs later. >This is my first attempt at messaging on this list, so I hope this goes >through. I am an old Flyer guy just getting back to being a kid again with >my trains. What a challange it is to find good items at a reasonable price >today. I would like to find people in the Sacramento,CA area that are into >S. >Howard Sheffield - Roseville, CA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9696	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: New Rumor is Very Frustrating!

Howdy Friends Just got off the phone with Geoff of Greenbrier Railroad Models. He attended the Central Jersey S Scalers Get Together this past weekend to show off some GP30s - he had our current B.T.S. price list and loco flyers to distribute also - and was giving me a report on what went on up there while I was in Fl at a regional NMRA meet waving the B.T.S. and S scale banner. In addition to all the usual stuff, he told me that several folks came over to him and asked if B.T.S. was getting out of S Scale! Not sure where this rumor started, but there is no truth to it! And that such a rumor is out there really bugs me. Think about it.... we introduced 18 new S scale items between June 1999 and July 2000. Right now, we have five new standard gauge steam locos in the works, two new Sn3 steam locos, one (maybe two) urethane/brass diesels, three (maybe four) passenger cars, two electric commuter cars, three laser-cut cabooses getting ready, two brass cabooses, at least five new buildings due in the next few months, and several other things that no one knows about except Diane! Does that sound like we are leaving S? Frankly, we can make a lot more money by focusing on HO products only, but we made a committment to you folks years ago, and we will not break it. We will continue to produce S Scale products as long as you continue to buy them. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9697	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: would love to shop his shows

In a message dated 10/2/00 11:41:44 AM, david_horn@... writes: << I don't know where this price-keeper shops for his ACG Flyer, but I'd love to go there too. >> ........and how about a 1946 332 for $275?!!! RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9698	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains

Try laminating 1" thick styrofoam, blue or pink, not white. White makes a mess. Blue or pink is carveable. Very light weight and strong when finished. You an carve it with a foam cutter or a sharp knife. A thin layer of patching plaster or whatever you like to work with may be applied where needed. Bill Porter wrote: > > Good point, Howard. Now that you mention it, I too have used the 'Patch N > Paint' lighter mixture and it has been good. I used it in thicker areas and > especially for filling in gaps around castings and places like that. > > Bill Porter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sheffield, Howard <HSheffie@...> > To: 'Bill Porter' <wpporter@...>; S-Trains List > <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 1:34 PM > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] mountains > > >You may want to also consider the "light" premixed drywall patch repair > >compound. It dries faster, is lighter when finished and doesn't shrink > >much. It is not as creamy as the wet premix, but can help with a faster > >buildup and then use wet mix if desired. You can also work it with a wet > >brush or putty knife, but not too much. It sands just like the wet mix. > >Have you tried using straws buried in the mix for installing trees, wires > or > >signs later. > >This is my first attempt at messaging on this list, so I hope this goes > >through. I am an old Flyer guy just getting back to being a kid again with > >my trains. What a challange it is to find good items at a reasonable price > >today. I would like to find people in the Sacramento,CA area that are into > >S. > >Howard Sheffield - Roseville, CA > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9699	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Transformers

Last week there were a couple of posts dealing with the differences between Lionel and AF transformers. For some time now I have been frustrated with my steam engines. They run very slow and barely seem to get around the track. I had Bob Tufts go through each one to make sure they were wired correctly and operating fine. I tried using a 16B (190 watts), a 19B (300 watts), and a Lionel RW (110 watts). All with the same results. The RW has multiple wiring configurations for different voltages. I have always used the 15 volt wiring posts. After reading the posts last week, I decided to try wiring the RW for the 19 volt configuration. Guess what ? Now, my steam engines race around the track using between 14 and 15 volts which is what the transformer had been wired for previously. Why is that ? The track now gets 14 to 15 volts where as before it only was getting 11 to 12 volts (same with both AF transformers) ? And this with the RW at about half throttle. The AF transformers were always at full throttle. Am I doing something wrong ? Will this hurt my engines? BTW, my diesels always have run fine. Both AF and LTI. The problem has only been with the steam engines. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9700	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: transformers

Scott: it is possible that your problem is not with the transformers but with your wiring and track. You don't say much about that, and I'm only guessing from afar of course. How are your wires attached to the track? If you are using clip on track terminals, there may be arcing or corrosion between the clips and rail that result in loss of power. You may not be using heavy enough wire between transformer and track. For a large layout, you should use at least 18 gauge stranded wire and better yet, 16 gauge. You may need additional feeder wires to the farther reaches, too. Flyer switches can block or impede track power too. This occurs for two reasons: the plates under the switches may be dirty and the diamond shaped contact may have become misshaped, or because there is dirt and corrosion between the rails and the little brass clips which hold them to the switch bed and have wires connected to them underneath. Perhaps your track and pins have a corrosion problem and you should consider rewiring your layout with buss wires that feed to the track every few sections, or perhaps there is a film of oil or dirt on your rails. It is also possible that your steam locos are not lubricated correctly. You should be applying a fine modern oil such as LaBelle with a needle tip bottle to the front and rear armature bearings, all axle bearings, the smoke gear stud and hex head bolt, and the tender truck axle holes. Gear grease is not important except in 0-8-0's. The 16B and 19B should produce a maximum of about 17 volts. The 18B, which is what i use, produces 19 volts and this is very satisfactory. However, you risk burning out electronic reverse units, especially those in LTI and AM locos, at this voltage. You also risk burning out the armatures in 5 digit steam locos such as the 21004, 21139, etc, at such a high voltage. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9701	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New Rumor is Very Frustrating!

If it is any consolation, the rumor hasn't crossed the border. I like the sounds of all these new products you mentioned in your note. I don't know where you find the time to get frustrated though. Take up golf; that's good for the frustration creation and at least your outside. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9702	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Re: mountains

I haven't had a chance to try this yet, but I recently read something about using fabric dipped in wallpaper paste instead of plaster. The wallpaper paste is lighter in weight and not as hard, so if you have a derailment it doesn't bust up your rolling stock too much. But it is still workable, and takes paint and ground foam well. Does anybody have any experience with this? Dan Brindell -----Original Message----- From: Bill Porter <wpporter@...> To: S-Trains List <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] mountains >Hi Ben, > >Here are a couple of things to consider. I have mostly stopped using plaster >or mortar for my scenery. Plaster of Paris, Hydrocal and even concrete can >be used, effectively, but, they have a couple of drawbacks for me. First, >there is a chemical reaction that causes the setting. This reaction is >time-sensitive. that means it is necessary to mix the right amount of stuff >and then to move rapidly to spread it around. Failure to keep up produces >bad lumps and then hardened portions in the mixing container. Second, If it >is not applied perfectly, most of these compounds are difficult to smooth >over. that is, a trowel mark may become a permanent scenic feature if not >smoothed while the material has not yet hardened. Third, there is a disposal >issue. The excess compound cannot be flushed down the drain. It will collect >in the low spots of the pipes and make a blockage that is very difficult to >remove. The way to clean tools an mixing containers is to rinse well and >then throw the water out onto the lawn. That is easier for me in Florida >with a year-round lawn than for some others. > >Instead, I have been using drywall joint compound for a few years. I buy the >pre-mixed kind in gallon buckets. This stuff does not 'cure', it just dries >out. as it is drying (it may take from a few hours to a day or two) it can >be smoothed using a wet paint brush. I apply it over screen - aluminum or >plastic. The result is not as strong as plaster or concrete, but, it is >pretty good. It can be easily sanded and the dust does not clog up the >sandpaper. It takes color, dirt, stones and ground foam well. It is best >when applied in thin coats - 1/8 inch or so. Thicker coats will probably >crack as it dries. The cracks may be good if you are modeling mountains. > >I do use plaster when I make rock castings. For this use, the other >disadvantages are not too bad. These castings can then be applied to a >substrate formed from screen and drywall compound by using more compound as >mortar. > >Good Luck, >Bill Porter > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ben Kronenwetter <bg@...> >To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> >Date: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:53 PM >Subject: [S-Trains] mountains > > >>I am presently building my s-gauge layout and need to find out where I >>can get some Hydrocal or other suitable material for my mountain >>ranges. I have made Hard Shell scenery before but where I live here in >>Pa. there aren't many places to get materials. Any help will be >>appreciated, Thanks in advance, Ben >> > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9703	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/2/2000
Subject: Where's www.showcaseline.com?

Don, My wife often says that I listen without hearing... so maybe this has been discussed on the s-trains list and I "missed" it. I haven't been able to connect to http://www.showcaseline.com/ lately. Are there problems with the web site that I've missed? I know SHS is ok; just got my newsletter. I just need to look something up. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9704	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: "Christmas Village" from Costco

Over on the toytrain list, they mentioned a Christmas village being sold at Costco for $50. I don't think that I have seen it posted on S- trains yet. I had someone pick one up for me and I gotta say, for the price, it is a great set! Seven buildings (with lights) people, trees, even a horse drawn fire wagon. Of course the people aren't "S", but the buildings seem closer to "S". "S" people can walk through the doors easier then the people that came with the set! But for under the tree, the people and all should look pretty good. Soooo,..If you have a Costco near by, you might check it out. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9705	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Ballston Locomotive Works

1) I finaly got thru to a person at eGroups. From here it looks like the ads are turned off. If you see eGroups ads or have questions please contact me 'off-list' 2) I updated the phone number and some of the prices for Ballston Locomotive Works. Tell Mel you saw it here. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/info/mel.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9706	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Re: "Christmas Village"

They have the same village at Sam's Club, too. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9707	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: S Scale Articles

> From: "G. Elems" <gelems@...> >Subject: S scale in print > >If you get a chance, look on page 130 of the November 2000 issue of >Railroad Model Craftsman. Bob Hogan won the Brass Lantern Award, >sponsored by the UTU (United Transportation Union), for his scratch >built S scale WP bay window caboose. A while back I stated that I would be willing to develop a webpage of S (1:64th) scale articles that have been in mainstream magazines (TTOS, NMRA, MR, etc.), but I need you guys to tell me about the articles, cuz I don't get every magazine, and I have not been keeping track of articles mentioned in these lists. Right now my list is REAL SHORT. I will add the above article to my list. Please e-mail directly with any articles or product reviews that you know about, so that I can make this a usable reference for S modelers. Please include all flavors of S scale; AF, hi-Rail, and scale models (standard and narrow gauge). Please tell me the magazine, issue, author, and short description of the article. Thanks, ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9708	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Re: "Christmas Village"

((((( In S-Trains@egroups.com, Scott Holm <imsscott@y...> wrote: They have the same village at Sam's Club, too.)))))) It was said on the toytrain list that there is a set at Sam's Club but with a different name. Both are made in China but are probably made by the same company! I wish they made a Halloween set!!!! Of course I wouldn't have a Halloween tree to put it under........ Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9709	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: More on ceramic buildings....

Just came from our local "Rite-Aid" (used to be Thrifty), and they have Autumn type ceramic buildings on sale for $3.49 each. I moved a mountain (a styrofoam one,...I'm just a litle guy!!) and added four of these buildings to my little layout. Next I'll run some lights to 'em. I would still like to do a Autumn layout for all of the fall holidays but what do you run the trains around?? A Halloween tree?? (OK,....quit laughing Paul!) Maybe a giant pumpkin??? Geee...why do we have to wait for Christmas to move the trains into the living room?? Maybe we could start a new tradition! Set up the trains for fall and the closer it gets to Christmas, just change the buildings and add a little snow! Think the wives would go for that?? How about at Thanksgiving run your trains around a big stuffed turkey???? Rick :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9710	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Mountains

I want to thank everyone that responded to my e-mail. I have plenty of options now to enhance my layout. Best regards and keep S Gauge alive, Ben

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9711	From: a50flyer@aol.com	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 100 year L trains show &world record

Hi S friends, I need help and imput. The TCA desert div. is sponsoring a 100 years anniversary of Lionel trains. I've been asked to display American Flyer Lionel production trains. I need to select 3 train sets for the S-gauge display. There will be over 100 sets operating simultaneously to be entered into the Guiness book of World Records. All the Lionel and some TCA officers will be here in Mesa, Arizona the friday after Thanksgiving, November 24th, for the event. Saturday swap meet and Sunday Auction. Any suggestions on the 3 sets from the 1980's production are welcome. I would like to operate the B&O passenger set from 1981. This is the number 1 HARR set. If you have one you would like to sell or donate (with IRS deduction) or bring to the event to operate please e-mail me off the list at a50flyer@.... I will be the only S presentation in the Guiness book. Thanks for your help. Marty Wik

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9712	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 697 Track Trips and Semaphores

I have acquired 3 semaphores and several 697 Track Trips. I plan to install on my small layout to prevent rear end crashes. If I want to run the semaphores in series, can I wire a 697 to do more than one function each? In other words, can the same trip be used to drop the semaphore arm and stop trains in one section while restoring power to the previous block and raise the arm on the previous signal to green? I also have a Sam the Semaphore Man. This Sam's button was cut from the cord going to the base. I wonder if I can hook Sam up like a regular semaphore that operates automatically with 697 Track Trips? Has anyone done this, and if so do you have a wiring diagram? I am enjoying reading and learning from the posts in this group. Thanks for your advice. regards Michael Christensen The Woodlands, Texas

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9713	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: 697 & semaphores

Yes to both questions, provided that the Sam is the #758-A model that has 2 positions and a two button controller. The other Sam only stops the train as long as the button is pushed and then springs back and cannot be used as you suggest. It's number is 758. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9714	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: ACSG W&OD

Anyone in the Northern Virginia / DC area : This saturday, October 7th the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers - Washington & Old Dominion Division will have our layout at the Fairfax County Family Festival held in the Fairfax County Government Building on Government Center Pkwy, Fairfax, Virginia. The festival runs from 9am to 5pm and is free. There will be lots of fun stuff for kids and parents to see and do including pony rides and the trackless train ride. Last year they got over 8,000 people at the festival. Should be good exposure for "S" and our club. If you live in the area, please come by and say hello. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division sbrown56@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9715	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/3/2000
Subject: Transformers

Scott, I had a problem similar to yours on my layout, particularly in one spot where my engines would slow down. Curiously, it was at a spot near to where the transformer connected to the track rather than on the opposite side of the layout. It turned out to be two bad connections, one in a joint between track sections, and another in a switch. I finally found the problems when I ran my fingers over the track joints around the layout after running the trains for awhile. The bad connections were noticeably warm to the touch compared to other track connections. Obviously to emphasize this, you should run a train with an engine and cars that pull a larger load (ie, a 326 with five or six lighted passenger cars should do it, or maybe a couple of action boxcars or cabeese). Don't forget to also check your power connections at the track and the transformer. Good luck, Michael >Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:26:46 -0400 > From: Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> >Subject: Re:Transformers > > >Last week there were a couple of posts dealing with the differences between >Lionel and AF transformers. For some time now I have been frustrated with my >steam engines. They run very slow and barely seem to get around the track. >I had >Bob Tufts go through each one to make sure they were wired correctly and >operating fine. I tried using a 16B (190 watts), a 19B (300 watts), and a >Lionel RW (110 watts). All with the same results. The RW has multiple wiring >configurations for different voltages. I have always used the 15 volt wiring >posts. After reading the posts last week, I decided to try wiring the RW >for the >19 volt configuration. Guess what ? Now, my steam engines race around the >track >using between 14 and 15 volts which is what the transformer had been wired for >previously. Why is that ? The track now gets 14 to 15 volts where as before it >only was getting 11 to 12 volts (same with both AF transformers) ? And >this with >the RW at about half throttle. The AF transformers were always at full >throttle. >Am I doing something wrong ? Will this hurt my engines? BTW, my diesels always >have run fine. Both AF and LTI. The problem has only been with the steam >engines. > > >Scott Brown >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9716	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: 100 year L trains show &world record

Marty Wik said: >The TCA desert div. is sponsoring a 100 >years anniversary of Lionel trains. I've been asked to display American >Flyer Lionel production trains. I need to select 3 train sets for the >S-gauge display . . . Any suggestions on the 3 sets from the 1980's production are >welcome. I would like to operate the B&O passenger set from 1981. This is the >number 1 HARR set. Marty: There was no B&O passenger set that I know of. There was a C&O passenger set later in production. The HARR set was a B&O freight. The B&O freight is a good choice because it is the first New Era set. I would think that Desert Division would like to see the Southern Pacific Daylight set and the U.P. Pony Express running. They are appropriate to the area, are good runners and are two of the most beautiful New Era Flyer sets. Three to go round and round, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9717	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: volts at and around track

Scott, allow me to suggest a process of elimination. Disconnect your leads from your transformers. Use your VOM to measure the voltage produced at the posts on each. You should be getting ~15-17 when in full throttle position. Then repeat the following for each transformer, etc. Attach your leads (assuming they only go to the track, not to power any accessories), measure the voltage at the ends of your leads (detached from tracks). Should be the same assuming you haven't long leads. Otherwise you may have a faulty stranded lead. If OK, attach leads to track. Touch VOM leads to the section of track where you leads attach. Should again have same reading as at posts. If not, then maybe you have a faulty connection at the track. Next, work you way around the track section at a time looking for any drops. You may not find them this way, because there's contact enough to get a voltage reading but not enough current flow to meet the needs of a running trains, but at least you'll see the obvious ones this way. You've seen my postage stamp size layout, so other than the clubs modular layout I haven't much large layout experience, but you know it helps to have lead connection points at several points around a loop. I also cleaned all my track interconnecting pins with a wire brush on a drill, and replaced any 3x10" AF sections with K-LIne 30" straights to reduce interconnections. So far I read post voltage around both loops. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9718	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: volts at and around track

Using a voltmeter is not a good way to measure your track connections, because even if there is a bad connection that doesn't allow much current to pass, it will still measure the same amount of voltage as at the transformer when there is no load (a running train) on the track. A better way is to turn the transformer off and use an ohmmeter to measure the resistance between various spots on the track and the transformer terminals. Pressing down on the track while doing this, to simulate a trains weight, is a good way to identify intermittant connections. Any time a measurement is greater than 1 or 2 Ohms, the test leads can be brought closer together to identify the exact spot causing the problem. Feeling for hot spots after running a big current-sucking train is also a great way to find the problems. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9719	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: K-line long straights

Are the current K-line s gauge long straights 36" or 30"? I have some that I got about 15 years ago and they are 36". And in the new K-line catalog, which I got yesterday, they say they are 30", but in the picture it appears that they are approximately 6" longer than 3 times the pictured 10" straight. Is the scaling of the two pictures different or are the straights 36"? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9720	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: K-line long straights

I am not home to measure the new K-Line that I bought, but the long lengths are definitely not 30". I also find that the rail joiner pins in the new K-Line can be difficult to mate with the old AF track as they are larger and especially don't like AF turn outs. Anyone know of a good source for new pins that work well with AF and K-Line. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 7:14 AM To: s-trains Subject: [S-Trains] K-line long straights Are the current K-line s gauge long straights 36" or 30"? I have some that I got about 15 years ago and they are 36". And in the new K-line catalog, which I got yesterday, they say they are 30", but in the picture it appears that they are approximately 6" longer than 3 times the pictured 10" straight. Is the scaling of the two pictures different or are the straights 36"? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9721	From: Cheri221@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 771

<< From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> Subject: More on ceramic buildings.... <snip> I would still like to do a Autumn layout for all of the fall holidays but what do you run the trains around?? A Halloween tree?? (OK,....quit laughing Paul!) Maybe a giant pumpkin??? Geee...why do we have to wait for Christmas to move the trains into the living room?? Maybe we could start a new tradition! Set up the trains for fall and the closer it gets to Christmas, just change the buildings and add a little snow! Think the wives would go for that?? >> I don't know about a Halloween tree...but why not? I was startled last night to see a string of orange lights across the front of a neighbors house. As for wives, this one (me) has her s-helper set on the living room floor year-round surrounded by various plasticville structures, cars, etc. After Thanksgiving, the LTI Christmas set comes out. Of course, when company comes over, they have to "step carefully"! Cheri Auburn, WA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9722	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 771

In a message dated 10/04/2000 3:43:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > I would > like to operate the B&O passenger set from 1981. This is the number 1 HARR > set. If you have one you would like to sell or donate (with IRS deduction) Sorry Amigo but the B&O HARR #1 is a freight set not a passenger set. Cross your fingers and wish for a Southern Pacific set.... Steve Blackburn...Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9723	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: K-line long straights

When I researched K-Line straights about a year ago two different people at K-line gave me two different answers - one said they are 36" long, the other said 30" long. I eventually bought mine at a local dealer (saved on shipping which with these long pieces can be challenging). The pieces at the dealer were still in their K-line shipping box and all of them were 30" long. I think at one time K- line made them 36" long, but more recently changed to 30". The dealer commented that too many AF users didn't like the 36" pieces because it was an odd-ball length (i.e. not an increment of 10). So you might come across either size. True, the K-line pins are a bit broader than AF. Usually they work OK with a neighboring AF piece, or I use an AF pin with a bend in it on the K-Line end. K-line track is not of the same quality as good 'ol AF, and in retrospect I may use only AF in future (I'm starting to like the sound of the metal wheels on AM and SHS cars especially over the joints). But on the other hand, my K-line straight tracks haven't caused me any problems, and K-line does offer larger radius curves. PS Thanks for the tip on measuring ohms resistance instead of volts. That makes a lot of sense even to a mechanical engineer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9724	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar

Yesterday I saw a mini-ornament from Hallmark of a 50's style motorcycle with side-car that looked pretty compatible with S. Has anyone else seen it? Too big? I generally like to imagine what it'd be like for a 1.125" tall person (6' scale) to use, but I thought you psuedo-scalers might know more excactly if this is within reason or not. Price $7.98. Not bad looking other than the windshields are painted silver and you'd need to cut off the loop for hanging it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9725	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar

((((( In S-Trains@egroups.com, david_horn@b... wrote: > Yesterday I saw a mini-ornament from Hallmark of a 50's style > motorcycle with side-car that looked pretty compatible with S. Has > anyone else seen it? Too big?))))) Haven't seen this one yet, but last year at Hallmark, they had a newer model Harley. Looked real close to S, but was too new for my layout,(my vehicles are all pre-'61. Although I could have fudged with this one, I couldn't bring myself to pay the $8. I'll have to check out this 50's style one !! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9726	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Halloween Tree

< From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> Subject: More on ceramic buildings.... <snip> I would still like to do a Autumn layout for all of the fall holidays but what do you run the trains around?? A Halloween tree?? (OK,....quit laughing Paul!) Maybe a giant pumpkin??? Geee...why do we have to wait for Christmas to move the trains into the living room?? Maybe we could start a new tradition! Set up the trains for fall and the closer it gets to Christmas, just change the buildings and add a little snow! Think the wives would go for that?? >> Dept 56 makes some great halloween buildings and accessorres to do a scene with. Perfect size for "S" except for the Oversized people.http://www.department56.com/home.html The home page even shows the halloween scene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9727	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: S-scale

Dear Howard, All AC Gilbert AF runs on DC too! But, you it cycles to change direction the same way as AC power, but turning the current on and off. Actually, all original AC Gilbert AF operates on DCC without any additional modifications, but reversing is a bit harder. You can remove the reverse unit and replace with a bridge diode for true DC reversing operation. Don T. P.S. These are the three lists that I subscribe to. "Sheffield, Howard" wrote: > I am interested in knowing if you have any information that you can get me > on running original AF on DC instead of AC. Also, I would like to be on any > mailing lists that you have. > Howard Sheffield > 1201 Hemingway Dr. > Roseville, CA. 95747 > HM hjinrosvle@... > WK hsheffie@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9728	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Paint removal from brass engines

Dear Butch, You are correct. As we stated in the original F-3 order form, we announced the phase II F-3 as the first in a series of F and E units. Now that 95% of the work on the F-3 is completed, we will be turning our attention to the E-7 A and B units, these will be our first E units. Our nose tooling was made with inserted needed for the 3 types of number boards, I am hoping to start the tooling sometime in 2001, but as you know, these time lines can change. We would be looking a 10 roadnames. I hope this helps. Don Thompson ButchinKC@... wrote: > Hi Don, > > Thanks for the advice. I agree with you about selling or trading if this was > a factory paint job or even one that was presentable, but that is not the > case. This model was painted gloss black with a can of Testors or Pactra > paint, complete with runs and imperfections. I am sure it was someone's first > attempt at painting and it shows. I will go back to natural brass at least > for the time being. > > I am really glad you responded because it gives me a chance to hit you with a > few questions. I am pretty new to S having moved from O and am trying to > build up a collection of Union Pacific engines. In the line of diesels I am > particularly looking for E units (the black monsters above are E-7 A&Bs). Now > that you have the F-3's coming out (I have an ABBA ordered) what are the > chances of you producing some E series diesels? > > I understand the nose is the most difficult area to model on F and E units > and it looks like you've overcome this obstacle quite well, so the next > logical selection for a new diesel model (after F-7's) would be the E units. > Any chance of that happening in the near future? As good as the F-3's look, I > don't want to acquire a bunch of brass E units, if you will be manufacturing > these diesels in plastic. Especially since we both know your engines will > look and run better than any of the brass. > > Appreciate your time and look forward to hearing back from you. > > Best regards, > > Butch Holtgrieve -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9729	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/4/2000
Subject: Payment for MTH Coal Loaders

Many S-Trains list members took advantage of my special offer of $135 (including shipping) for the new MTH #30-9043 Coal Loader. All persons who ordered this item were notified by an August 31, 2000 e-mail to their e-mail address of record that payment was due in full by October 1, 2000. Unfortunately, some payments have not been received as of today. Since shipment to dealers is imminent and the demand for this item will exceed MTH's production capacity, it will be no problem to re-sell these Loaders. All unpaid purchasers were notified again today by e-mail. However, if your e-mail address has changed without notifying me, please contact me immediately. Unpaid Coal Loaders will go to the names on my waiting list two weeks after shipment to customers begins. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9730	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Track Connections-power loss.

I just expanded my layout from 9X6 to 20X6 feet, using original flyer track. Was using two 690 track terminals, 180 degrees apart, and running my Santa Fe ABA with a ten car consist. Noticed a slow down at one far end. While checking disconected one terminal and found no power at all. This is even though I thought I had clean track and clean terminals. Point is that only one terminal was giving pretty good performance. For the member who was having trouble with track power this just highlights the necessity for clean rails, and all power connections. BY the way, I was using fine emery cloth on my track but just learned what a track eraser was (still have a lot to learn)it did a fantastic job of cleaning my rails and turnouts with no abrasion. Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9731	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Jeffs's question about passenger cars

Jeff, I haven't seen any cars like the ones you described.If you are looking for old style heavyweight cars American Models has a set that comes undecorated that you could paint yourself. Microscale probably has some ho decal sets that will work and they include the paint schemes and colors that you will need. If you are looking for streamline cars you might pick up a set of old flyer cars that need repainting and use the same process. Hope this helps J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9732	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: DCC

I am very interested in any comments on running AF on DCC instead of AC. I see that DC is much cheaper to purcase new equipment and that is one incentive. Would anyone please give me insight on their experiences, observations, recommendations, ect. Thanks Howard

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9733	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: 334 dc af engine

I have a mint 334 dc engine that does not run well. I suspect that the field magnet may be weak. Does anyone have an idea how to check this,and if so, How do I remagnetize it to it's original strength? Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9734	From: starr007	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: lionel e units

I have been reading a lot on here about damaging lionel electronic e units with too much voltage. What is the limit that they will stand without being damaged? Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9735	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Jeffs's question about passenger cars

Hi J.R.: Perhaps it might be worth mentioning that, at least in my experience, the American Models heavyweights are very poor runners on AF Gilbert track. I ordered a set and promptly returned them, and then acquired the 950-Series original AF cars. The AM trucks and couplers were unadulterated low-grade plastic assemblies that tended to fall apart--pure junk. In contrast, the Gilbert trucks are rugged castings with six wheels per truck, and carry those excellent almost flawless unduplicated American Flyer couplers that have served so well from 50 years ago. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: starr007 [mailto:starr007@...] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:16 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Jeffs's question about passenger cars Jeff, I haven't seen any cars like the ones you described.If you are looking for old style heavyweight cars American Models has a set that comes undecorated that you could paint yourself. Microscale probably has some ho decal sets that will work and they include the paint schemes and colors that you will need. If you are looking for streamline cars you might pick up a set of old flyer cars that need repainting and use the same process. Hope this helps J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9736	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: New TM American Flyer S Gauge Illustrated Price Guide and Histo

If I may be permitted a small advertisement, the new "American Flyer S Gauge Price Guide and History" from TM Books by Robert Bubeck and David Garrigues is now available. The book provides a wealth of up-to-date information for the American Flyer collector/operator in an easy-to-carry format. The guide covers all Gilbert and Lionel AF production from 1946 to 2000, and it includes full and accurate descriptions listed by category, set contents, gorgeous color photographs (many that I took myself!), set contents, cross reference index, rarity ratings and accurate prices, the most extensive Gilbert paper section ever offered, and a history of the A. C. Gilbert Co. 152 pages, and all for $19.95. Available from TM Books and Video: Call: 800-892-2822 Email: tmbooks@... Web: www.tmbooks-video.com Box 279, New Buffalo, MI 49117 Thanks. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9737	From: Patrick_Karleskint@jeffersonwells.com	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: New TM American Flyer S Gauge Illustrated Price Guide and Histo

Where can I buy the new AF items that are being made by Lionel. I visited the Lionel Website, but hey don't have any information on the AF items they make. Thanks; Patrick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9738	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: MTH

Hey !! I got a phone call today from my favorite train store. I was asked if I wanted a Gabe the Lamplighter for $150 ? And a 787 Log Loader for $200 ? Well, you can too !! The new MTH catalogue just hit the stores and both these items are in there. Of course, I'm still waiting for the coal loader I ordered to arrive, but everyone seems to think it will show up soon. Probably have to wait another year for these 2, but it will be worth the wait. Looks like Mike listened when we spoke. Hope he will keep listening and make some steam engines for us too. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9739	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Transformers

Thanks for all the great ideas I have received regarding my transformer problem. I will try the ohm trick. I don't have any slow or fast segments of my layout. I went through and fixed that several months ago with several extra feeders all soldered to the track. I thought maybe the wire gauge was too small, but all our club modules are wired with 18 gauge stranded wire and I have the same problem on the club modules as I do on my home layout that is wired with 22 gauge solid bell wire. The only 2 variables left are my engines and the transformers. One of our members brought a 30B (300 watt -dual control) to the last show. Several of the members remarked that their engines ran faster and pulled more cars on the 30B as opposed to our club 19B (300 watt - single control). Then compare that with my Lionel RW 110 watt wired for 19 volts that my engines run faster on than the 19B or my 16B which are wired for 15 - 17 volts. Oh, well, I will keep working on it and let you all know if I discover the problem. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9740	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Jeffs's question about passenger cars

I feel I have to speak up for the AM heavyweights. I run my PRR 70' RPO, coach and baggage car all the time on my Flyer track. AM doesn't recommend the 80 footers on AF track so I never got them. The trucks on mine are not giving me any trouble. They also make trips to train shows where we run them on club modules and they run flawlessly. One caveat- they won't take rough handling (your observation that "Gilbert trucks are rugged castings" is true). When mishandled the axle needle end can pop out of the hole and end up under the journal box. Hard to notice, and a sure eventual derailment but at odd intervals and it waits 'til it hits a curve or switch. Anyone who likes these cars shouldn't be afraid to try them, recognizing that they are not as rugged as AF. Also, there is some info. on the AM website about modifying the coupler arms to reduce derailments. Mine now run on both AF and AM track with kadees installed so I could get the cars coupled closer together. You should also check to be sure the trucks don't hit the center sill on tight turns. I think I filed one car sill but can't remember for sure- it's been several years. Anyway, any tinkering I had to do is justified when I see them rolling by reliably and looking great. Alex Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi J.R.: > > Perhaps it might be worth mentioning that, at least in my experience, the > American Models heavyweights are very poor runners on AF Gilbert track. I > ordered a set and promptly returned them, and then acquired the 950-Series > original AF cars. The AM trucks and couplers were unadulterated low-grade > plastic assemblies that tended to fall apart--pure junk. In contrast, the > Gilbert trucks are rugged castings with six wheels per truck, and carry > those excellent almost flawless unduplicated American Flyer couplers that > have served so well from 50 years ago. > > -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine > > -----Original Message----- > From: starr007 [mailto:starr007@...] > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 9:16 AM > To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Jeffs's question about passenger cars > > Jeff, I haven't seen any cars like the ones you described.If you are > looking for old style heavyweight cars American Models has a set that > comes undecorated that you could paint yourself. Microscale probably has > some ho decal sets that will work and they include the paint schemes and > colors that you will need. If you are looking for streamline cars you might > pick up a set of old flyer cars that need repainting and use the same > process. Hope this helps J.R. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9741	From: John H. Benton	Date: 10/5/2000
Subject: Re: Clamshell for coal loader

Someone on this list used to be looking for a coal loader clamshell bucket. Check this out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=460057139

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9742	From: Peck	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: AF

<Where can I buy the new AF items that are being made by Lionel. I visited the Lionel Website, but they don't have any information on the AF items they make. > For the most part, the Lionel/AF market is a mail-order, or advance-order, market. Some hobby shops carry it, but not extensively. In our case, we take advance orders (offered at a discounted price) for any new AF that is coming out, and add a very small amount of extra inventory to our order, for later sale. But in general, I would say that it is best to advance order what you want through whatever dealer you choose to use. Otherwise you risk not being able to find it after release. Most shops are gun-shy about stocking extra inventory of Lnl/Flyer. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9743	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: 334 dc problems

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions on my slow running 334 af engine, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9744	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: S References

> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:50:18 EDT > From: BlackDiamondRR@... >Subject: reefer plans > >Someone on the list recently asked or mentioned about adding an AB >brake system to the SHS reefers. The Dec. 1988 RMC has plans for the >NWX 40' reefer including underbody w/AB brake layout...... > >Bud Bud's comment brings up another thought regarding my proposed web page listing of S (1:64th) scale articles. I will also include articles such as this one which are about prototype rolling stock that is available in S scale (including AF rolling stock). Please inform me of any such articles or book references. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9745	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: safe voltage for operation of lionel electronic e units

Haven't heard anything from anyone out there about what is a safe amount of voltage to use with later model linel electronic e units to keep from burning them out. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks,J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9746	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: MTH coaling tower

According to the shipping schedule at the MTH web site, the 30-9043 coaling tower (repro of the 785 AF coal loader) is going to be shipped to dealers on 12/1/2000. Rats! We have to wait 2 more months. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9747	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH

At the web site, the 2000 vol III catalog does not show these items. Are we looking for a newer catalog yet? Scott Brown wrote: > The new MTH catalogue just hit the stores and both these items

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9748	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Power loss

- Greeting`S' - Thanks to Joe Craing for being right on the mark about track cleaning erasers. After removing the goo with a liquid cleaner such as Varsol, the eraser is the tool to use. Sandpaper is for those who think the tolerances on the moving parts are too tight and want to open up the clearances. Steel wool is for those who think there should be other paths for the magnetism in the motors. Regarding the 334 DC which J.R. described, measure the current which the lovomotive draws when running. On straight track at 12 to 15 VDC (no train) the current should not exceed about 2 A. If it is higher, the field needs remagnetizing. If it is much lower and the track is clean (see above), then one of the current carrying, stranded wires si almost in two or, more likely, the brushes are gummed up and are not contacting the armature well. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9749	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coaling tower -Gabe? 787??

Yeah, I heard that this AM. BUT!! what's this rumor about MTH doing a Gabe and a Log Loader?? Where are the on-line pics of his catalog, there was one when the coal loader was announced, but I can't find it now. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9750	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coaling tower -Gabe? 787??

These pieces are apparently in the 2001 catalog, which is not online yet. I suspect we will have to pre-order these pieces in order to get one. The coal loader is oversold already. Wonder if there will be a 2nd run of the coal loader? David Dewey wrote: > Yeah, I heard that this AM. BUT!! what's this rumor about MTH doing a Gabe > and a Log Loader?? Where are the on-line pics of his catalog, there was one > when the coal loader was announced, but I can't find it now.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9751	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: MTH Accessories

When Scott told us about the new MTH - Gilbert Accessories he missed one. I stopped by Chesterfield Hobbies today to check out the MTH Catalogue. On the page facing the log loader and Gabe there is a 592A crossing for about $75. Keep 'em coming Mike. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9752	From: trobicha@lucent.com	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: Re: MTH

Yo: Being a person that does both S and O (no wise cracks!) I belong to a number of club, including the MTH club and I have not seen the new catalogue (MTH vol. 1, 2001). I have all 6 of the 2000 catalogues and there is nothing in there. I suspect someone seen it in a catalogue at there local dealer, they get the catalogues first. I suspect to see mine real soooooooon. MTH is good about that. Tommy Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> on 10/06/2000 02:24:01 PM To: "S-Trains@onelist.com" <S-Trains@egroups.com> cc: Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH At the web site, the 2000 vol III catalog does not show these items. Are we looking for a newer catalog yet? Scott Brown wrote: > The new MTH catalogue just hit the stores and both these items S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9753	From: starr007	Date: 10/6/2000
Subject: 2000 TTOS southern Pacific convention cars

Did anyone out there order the 2000 TTOS convention A.F. car set, (Southern Pacific crane and gondola), If so have you received them yet? The last time I checked they were to have been shipped on 9 / 29 / 00. Just wonder if anyone has gotten them or if they know when they might be shipped? Thanks, J.R. ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9754	From: Peck	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH

We are already beginning to create our dealer order for the three MTH accessories------ 592A Highway Crossing Gabe 787 Log Loader. Let us know if you wish to advance order anything. We were confirmed to receive our entire 785 Coal Loader order,. Therefore, (a) I hope we DO get them all, and (b) I trust we will get everything for the 2001 order too! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9755	From: starr007	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: ttos convention cars

I will give ttos a call on Monday and see what they can tell me about shipping date. I will post what I find out here asap. J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9756	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: need e-mail address.......

Dear S-group, I'm wondering if anyone could help me.I need the e-mail address of one of our members,Tom Jarcho.If anyone has it or if Tom is listening,( I lost your e-mail address) please e-mail me the address.Many thanks..............Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9757	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH

Message: 9 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 19:34:24 -0400 From: Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> Subject: MTH Hey !! I got a phone call today from my favorite train store. I was asked if I wanted a Gabe the Lamplighter for $150 ? And a 787 Log Loader for $200 ? Thanks for the heads up.I ran down to my local Flyer store and he had the new MTH catalog.It is the 2001 volume 1 catalog and I was able to get my name at the top of his list for a Gabe. On the same page is a 592 and 600 crossing,a water tower,a 774 floodlight tower and an aircraft beacon. Thank again, Larry Oberman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9758	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH--Accessories R us???!!!

Good grief! no Sam or regular semaphores? What an incredible amount of tooling. Can't afford it all, what to pick??? Um, Load loader and Gabe are probably top of the list, but gee. . . . . Who woulda thunk we'd be in this postition. I feel like an O gauge guy. . . .! Now WHERE is the catalog on-line? When the coal loader was announced, it wasn't the MTH web site that had it, someone else did. AAAUGH, where did I put that URL??? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9759	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: AF-LTI E-unit problems

Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 11:20:25 -0500 From: "starr007" <starr007@...> Subject: safe voltage for operation of lionel electronic e units Haven't heard anything from anyone out there about what is a safe amount of voltage to use with later model linel electronic e units to keep from burning them out. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks,J.R. To which Paul Schneider writes: My AF-Lionel units (a set of Western Pacific PA's and a Milwaukee Road EP5) have a curious problem. There is a spot on my layout called River Junction. Here three loops of track--all wired to separate transformers, BTW--converge and cross the bridge on a single track, then fan out to three tracks on the other side of the "interlocking." My problem is this: When I stop a Lionel-AF unit at the bridge (to allow another train to pass), it often shift into reverse DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE E-UNITS ARE LOCKED IN REVERSE. I then have to power up the train, lift the unit gingerly, and fuss with the e-unit until the locomotive runs forward again. Note: All units on the layout run in one direction at all times; there is no switching or back-up moves (hence the reason I keep the e-units locked in forward). This does NOT happen with either Flyer engines or my American Models RS3 (all AC). Any clues as to what's going on, guys? PDS Milwaukee, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9760	From: Larry Oberman	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: MTH

After checking the MTH catalog again I see that there is only one crossing gate offered.I was in a hurry when I saw the catalog yesterday and when Wayne said there was 592A I thought I saw two.Mike's is using the # 600 in the catalog and there are 2 views of the same crossing. The water tower, light tower and beacon are previous Mike's offerings. Sorry if I confused or mislead anyone.I was just so excited about seeing a Gabe I can afford. Larry Oberman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9761	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: non-S items

http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/ho-s-o.html This summer, many people sent me information for non-S items usable in S. With vacation, gardening, cars, and SUMMER in general, I did not spend time on the webpage. Today I decided I'd done enough yard work, and spent a chunk of time updating my pages. If you submitted information and I missed it or I made an error, please inform me. Next........... the webpage for S articles in non-S magazines. Thanks, Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9762	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: 15-B

Will the person who wanted more info on the 15-B please email me again? I unfortunately deleted your message and address. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9763	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: S Articles

OKAY, Take a look, Tell me what you think, Please send more info. Thanks http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/sartcles.html Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9764	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: MTH/Flyer store

(((((Larry Oberman wrote: I ran down to my local Flyer store and he had the new MTH catalog.)))) Wow!! Larry,..you have a local "FLYER" store in your area???? I'm moving!!! Rick :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9765	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: AM Heavyweights

I've noticed over time on this list that some people love American Models and some people spit at the mention of the name. Some people say they have never had any of the operational problems that some of you post. A member of our club has the B & O steam engine and heavyweight cars and I have seen with my own eyes how nicely they run on our club modular layout as well as my own home layout. While I had so many problems with the GP-9 and CP boxcars I bought that I wanted to melt them down and mail them back to Ron in protest. The problem just seems to be quality control. Some items work flawlessly and others should never have left the factory. Funny how I don't hear the same comments about S-Helper products. Hmmmm. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9766	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: AM heavyweights

Most of the problems I've heard about with these cars have to do with the first run, which was cosponsored by S Helper I believe. We basically need new trucks for these cars. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9767	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights

jarcho@... wrote: > Most of the problems I've heard about with these cars have to do with the > first run, which was cosponsored by S Helper I believe. We basically need > new trucks for these cars. Tom Jarcho Dear Scott and Tom, The heavyweight concept was ours. We approached AM in January of 1991 about a series of 8 heavyweight passenger cars of which 5 would be able to negotiate the 19" radius AF curved track. We picked out the cars to be made and send drawings for the car bodies and trucks. We too had problems with some of the cars and made good on returns. My partner Mike has bugged me for years to come up with a replacement truck, but I always had another project that needed funding. We did come up with a few fixes though. The addition of weight to the centersill always seems to help the cars track better. One thing we noticed was that some 4 wheel trucks did not like to equalize. Mike would take them apart and file the notch on the locking shaft located on the back of the sideframe. Some of these seemed to be cast at a 5° angle. By making this flat, they seemed to equalized better. The six wheel trucks were more frustrating when they did not work well. We had customers remove the center wheels and have good luck with that. The center axle should have blunted ends and not pointed like the others. This is intended to allow the center axle the ability to hunt for the center instead of being rigid and derailing on curves. We did find a few 6 wheel trucks that did not have the blunted center axles. One of the reasons we did the passenger cars, was to have starter sets made with the FP-7s. But, once we realized that some of the cars may need to be tinkered with, we dropped the idea. I do know that we had few if any complaints from the non-AF curve crowd. It was either that they were able to fix these problems themselves or it was not a problem on larger radius curves. I still think this was the most successful project that we did with American Models and have no regrets. But, I do wish he would re-run the 83' Pullman cars, that was the icing on the cake! Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9768	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Festival

WOW !! What a great day we had today !!! We ran a 7 x 1 modular layout at the Fairfax County Festival in Fairfax, Virginia. (That's 34' X 10') We were inside and had to set up against one side of the 22' wide hall which sounded bad at first. We decided to put the "yard" along the back wall with a couple of other basic modules and put our modules that had accessories and displays along the front and ends. It worked out great !! It made for a very nice long run that lots of people could stand along and watch. They estimate that they had more people this year than last and last year they had over 30,000 (yes, that is 30 thousand) people. We had several men ask for membership information and made lots of children and their parents smile. Like normal, the parents were as excited as the kids. We even let a couple of the kids come inside the layout to push buttons and run the trains for a little bit. Nothing was broken. Nothing disappeared. Everyone had a fun time. In attendance were : Bill Novak, Chris Johnson, Bruce Tibbetts, Mike coles, Mike Price, Mike Myers (Central Division), John Rodgers, Scott Brown, Timmy Brown (10 yr old). Missing today were David Horn, Jack Early, David Bollinger, and Stephen Brown (14 yr old). Our next meeting will be next saturday, October 14th at David Horn's home. If you live in the Northern Virginia / DC/ Md area and would like to have fun with us running AF /S trains, please email me off list for more information. See you all then !! Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9769	From: Gary Chidester	Date: 10/7/2000
Subject: Price Guide

I just picked up my Greenburgs 2001 Am. Flyer price guide. Is it just me or does it not make sense that the value of almost everything has gone down for the new guide, but the prices on e-bay and at the stores I have been to have all gone up! Isn't the value of something in part determined by what people are paying for these items? It's not a complaint, just an observation. maybe prices will go down now? I doubt it, but it would be nice! g

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9770	From: John	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Pricing Great subject aye

Boy what a great subject for us Guys and gals of SGuage, Have you ever seen the like ? But the greatest surprise of all is the Variation of prices for exaample Down east the prices seem to be Higher than out here on many items and we have Ins/Shipp/Tax/Cust/on top yet! If you have a good source for A-F and it seems Reasonable support that Source!! I have found that the most interesting and the safest Bet is my local Trainshop [Roundhouse Sales here in Edmonton] although they don't have A-F Rolling stock They do have the Bits I need for my new layout and they are the Gargraves Rep,and they supply me with my S Guage mag to boot. Pricing is easy to do IF you keep in Mind the Following Rule of thumb AS I have found out over thirty years of Selling Antiques and Collectables ! When I sell my Trains [Lionel] I Grade at VG Becuase thats what They are as they have been Played with and used and I have enjoyed them for ten years! and they are Clean and run Perectly . I sell my Trains for example If I Bought an Engine for 150.00 Iwould sell it for 200.00 to cover the cost of Repair and service Even though the Book Price is 400.00 to me that's not the Point! of our Hobby our Hobby is for the enjoymentof Trains and running them If I have had the enjoyment of running my trains for ten years then I want to pass this on to other folks! at a reasonable cost! I recentley offered a new Guy the following Deal a 2025 Engine and whistling Tender plus Ten pieces of rollin Stock plus a 2035 and Whistling Tender plus another ten pieces of rolling Stock with a Box full of Tubular Track and a 150 watt Transformer several magazines on RR Start-up and several switches I asked him for 1.000.00 Canadian for the complete collection and he said he'd get back to me Im still waiting right! Oh bye the bye I paid about 800.00 for the above Deal ten years ago and I didn't tell him either! as prices esculate the stock will not get scarcer just wait it will change just look at Lionel prices and see how they have changed in just a year Well thats enough for now great Subject give us some input Thanks jde <John>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9771	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: GP-9 derailing (Am)

More than a year ago I asked the folks on this list to help me with my derailing AM GP-9. This happened on wider raduis than AF. Don Thompson and others offered suggestions. However, I opened the unit and found the cause: The "L"-bracket for the headlight was installed backwards. Once I reversed it the trucks stayed on track. I've had no trouble since. With the recent posts, I thought it was about time to share this fix. Nick Colleran > >Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 21:21:33 -0400 > From: Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> >Subject: Re: AM Heavyweights > >I've noticed over time on this list that some people love American Models and >some people spit at the mention of the name. Some people say they have never >had >any of the operational problems that some of you post. A member of our club has >the B & O steam engine and heavyweight cars and I have seen with my own eyes >how >nicely they run on our club modular layout as well as my own home layout. While >I had so many problems with the GP-9 and CP boxcars I bought that I wanted to >melt them down and mail them back to Ron in protest. The problem just seems to >be quality control. Some items work flawlessly and others should never have >left >the factory. Funny how I don't hear the same comments about S-Helper products. >Hmmmm. > >Scott Brown >Atlantic Coast S Gaugers >Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9772	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Sunday chat........?

Dear S-Group, I was just wondering what happened to our Sunday Night chat that we used to have.I haven't been notified of these chats ??? Please let me know what happened.....? Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9773	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Price Guide

In a message dated 10/8/00 12:42:05 AM, garychidester@... writes: << I just picked up my Greenburgs 2001 Am. Flyer price guide. Is it just me or does it not make sense that the value of almost everything has gone down for the new guide, but the prices on e-bay and at the stores I have been to have all gone up! >> g, The prices have gone up, unfortunately. For an alternate and (IMHO) much more accurate view of things, please take a look at the new TM "American Flyer Illustrated Price Guide and History". RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9774	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights

Hi Guys, Are good quality replacement passenger trucks available? Thanks for your help and guidance. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 9:23 PM To: jarcho@... Cc: S-trains@egroups.com; s-scale@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM heavyweights jarcho@... wrote: > Most of the problems I've heard about with these cars have to do with the > first run, which was cosponsored by S Helper I believe. We basically need > new trucks for these cars. Tom Jarcho Dear Scott and Tom, The heavyweight concept was ours. We approached AM in January of 1991 about a series of 8 heavyweight passenger cars of which 5 would be able to negotiate the 19" radius AF curved track. We picked out the cars to be made and send drawings for the car bodies and trucks. We too had problems with some of the cars and made good on returns. My partner Mike has bugged me for years to come up with a replacement truck, but I always had another project that needed funding. We did come up with a few fixes though. The addition of weight to the centersill always seems to help the cars track better. One thing we noticed was that some 4 wheel trucks did not like to equalize. Mike would take them apart and file the notch on the locking shaft located on the back of the sideframe. Some of these seemed to be cast at a 5° angle. By making this flat, they seemed to equalized better. The six wheel trucks were more frustrating when they did not work well. We had customers remove the center wheels and have good luck with that. The center axle should have blunted ends and not pointed like the others. This is intended to allow the center axle the ability to hunt for the center instead of being rigid and derailing on curves. We did find a few 6 wheel trucks that did not have the blunted center axles. One of the reasons we did the passenger cars, was to have starter sets made with the FP-7s. But, once we realized that some of the cars may need to be tinkered with, we dropped the idea. I do know that we had few if any complaints from the non-AF curve crowd. It was either that they were able to fix these problems themselves or it was not a problem on larger radius curves. I still think this was the most successful project that we did with American Models and have no regrets. But, I do wish he would re-run the 83' Pullman cars, that was the icing on the cake! Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9775	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 775

In a message dated 10/08/2000 2:53:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > Subject: Price Guide > > I just picked up my Greenburgs 2001 Am. Flyer price guide. Is it just me or > does it not make sense that the value of almost everything has gone down for > the new guide, but the prices on e-bay and at the stores I have been to have > all gone up! Isn't the value of something in part determined by what people > are paying for these items? It's not a complaint, just an observation. The Greenberg price guide for American Flyer has been a work of fiction for the past several years. I haven't seen the new TM guide by R. Bubeck et, al, but hopefully it is more realistic. Don't waste your money on the Greenberg. Go to York and/or other shows to get the real selling price of American Flyer items. Ebay can get out of hand at times but 98% of the stuff on there sells so........................ Steve Blackburn RMHR, TCA, NASG Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9776	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Greenberg Prices guides......

, boss31@a... wrote: (((((The Greenberg price guide for American Flyer has been a work of fiction for the past several years.)))) Now I realize that a price guide is usually used as a "guide" and prices aren't carved in stone, but just how much "fiction" IS involved with the Greenberg price guides???? Would like to hear some comments. Rick "Keep yer rails clean!" Evans.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9777	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday chat........?

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Bob Sylsbury" <yazfacts@w...> wrote: ((((( Dear S-Group, I was just wondering what happened to our SundayNight chat that we used to have.I haven't been notified of these chats ?Please let me know what happened.....? Bob)))))) Chats are still on Sunday nights Bob. Some nights a smaller group then other nights. A few of the regulars should be there tonight. I hope to make it,...Morro Bay, CA. (a real working harbor as they call it)is having their Harbor Festival this weekend, and I am popping over to hear the "Youngbloods". (remember THAT old group??) "Come on people now,..smile on your brother,..everybody get together and love one another right now!" Sorry, ..I'm a little off key!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9778	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: 13-b Circuit Breaker Question-amp Rating?????

here is another one for you that have been around flyer for a while. I have a 13B circuit breaker and none of my flyer reference/repair books give a rating on it. I realize that it would give short circuit protection on any transformer but what about overload???If it is designed for a 100 watt transformer it would limit current to about 5.1 amps, but put it on a 50 w or 75w and you would have no overload protection as they would be rated at 2.5 and 4.0 amps respectively. Also running a circuit breaker near capacity must diminish it's life. I guess that this is a small matter and I really do not need to use a small transformer but want to use one next to the big ones for part of the layout. I guess this is one of those insignificant little questions that tend to drive me nuts unanswered. I would test it myself but my son absconded with my VOM.-Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9779	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Chat tonite!

Hi all, I'll probably miss tonite too, at least until about 6:30 or 7, rain is due in Tues. and I have a shed with no roof right now! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9780	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 8, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9781	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: South Jersey S Gaugers Event

On Saturday October 15th, the South Jersey S Gaugers will hold their 6th Bi-annual train show on behalf and benefit of Bellmawr Fire & Rescue #1. The show will be held in the fire hall just north of the corner of Browning Rd and Rt 168 (Blackhorse Pike). The show is only a 15 minute ride from Cherry Hill, NJ and center-city Philadelphia. The show will run from 9:00am to 2:00pm and has a nice representation of S guage vendors (imagine that!) as well as those dealing in other gauges and other railroad-oriented products. If you're in the area, stop in and say hello. Our club's modular layout will be on display, the coffee pot is always on - and we will have a few new "special projects" on hand for "show-n-tell". One other note. The SJSG will be selling the remainder of our recent "layout fund-raiser", a Jeep-on-Flatcar project (using die-cast WWII jeeps). These cars are very limited and come with 3 jeeps painted olive-drab and decaled by club members. We also have a somewhat larger supply of flat cars available without loads. These cars were one of the very last contracts filled by Downs Model Railroad before the company was sold. They are repros of Flyer flats painted tuscan and lettered for the Pennsy RR, with a very small SJSG next to the car number. If anyone is interested in one of the cars, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9782	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/8/2000
Subject: MTH AF accessories

Hi All, Finally found pictures, go to this link, then scroll down to items 30-9118, 30-9119, and 30-9120. Looks like pics of AF items! http://www.cyber-rail.com/catalogs/01vol1.htm S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9783	From: donabrams	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: MTH AF accessories

Isn't the MTH 600 crossing gate (as pictured) actually the one AF cataloged as the 592A??? There is no mention of a bell that the AF600 contained. I also wonder if some sort of activator will be included? Also according to Mike's copy writers Gabe "climbs back down the ladder." On the original he slides down. Also on prices, here in the Midwest they (for the most part) don't seem to have risen in the past few years. Sellers at shows trying to get top dollar for items just don't seem to be getting it. Sometimes common items in VG to E condition aren't easy to move even at Greenburg's numbers. DESIRABILITY and CONDITION seem to be the key drivers of the ability to sell an item and the price obtained. Northerns, 0-8-0's, super clean diesels, and hard to find accessories always command premium prices -- sometimes double what the guide says. The listing that has always cracked me up is that for the 752 & 752A Seaboard coalers. The 2000 guide has them at 230 & 260 respectively. You might have been lucky and acquired one 10 to 12 years ago at this price!!! Now they easily sell for $400 - $600 and this is my personal observation at a few shows, even before ebay came into the picture. By the way ebay hasn't been a bad place to buy either, as I've gotten several great deals on excellent condition pieces at less than Greenberg prices.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9784	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories

Dave (and all): It was interesting to see the accessories available. However, nowhere does it give any size information. Are these for S gauge, O gauge, or doesn't it really matter??? It would be interesting to find out from MTH whether these are really an S or O sized product. Any ideas? Rance David Dewey wrote: > Hi All, > Finally found pictures, go to this link, then scroll down to items > 30-9118, 30-9119, and 30-9120. Looks like pics of AF items!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9785	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: safe voltage for electronics in S trains

If memory serves me correctly, I have 15 volts in mind from two sources - - previous discussions on this matter on this list, and the instructions that came with my AM GG-1. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9786	From: david s garber	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: York Pa Train Show

T To anyone that may be going to the eastern devision TCA show in York the week of Oct. 16th. There will be a American Flyer/ Gilbert get together Thursday night Oct. 19th. It will be at the Days Inn Arsenal Road from aprox. 7:00 or 8:00 until 10 or 11. The White Rose ballroom has been rented for that evening. I will be there along with Todd Metcalf of www.trainsmore.com along with a few others from the list that I have talked to. Looking forward to meeting a few more S-gaugers and making new acquaintances. David S. Garber [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9787	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories

Rance, Well, like most AF accessories, they are a bit 'oversize' and as such are useable by the O people too. The pictures appear to be of AF items, the log loader seems to still have the AF tag near the binding posts even! This would be typical, the tooling probably isn't even made yet to produce these pieces! So, whether or not they are S or O, they are repros of AF S items! Someone posted a question about a bell in the '600' and track trips. Gooood questions!! I didn't see any text on the crossing gate at the site where I found the pictures. I would love to see some 696 trips reproduced! Also, what do the activating buttons look like?? Does Gabe automatically turn on the lamps when he gets to the top now? (Seems like an easy change that would make this unit more intersting, then he could climb back up and turn them off) But WOW!!! THREE accessories in one year!! That's more than the boxcars LTI has done! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9788	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories

I believe many of the AF accessories are closer to O than S. But we are talking AF toy trains here, not scale models. It you are looking for scale stuff, these accessories probably wouldn't appeal to you no matter the size. I have decided to split my new layout into three sections. The first will be what I call "Flyertown, and will include AF style accessories and track on green painted plywood, just like I had as a kid. A long transitition area (which will actually be the top of a shelf) will carry the trains over Gargraves track to the other major layout table, which will be made with Woodland Scenics kind of stuff, and as scale and detailed as I can get it. This gives me the best of both worlds in a single layout. Now, off to York to pick up some of the stuff I still need to do this job! :-) Velapoldi's wrote: > Dave (and all): > It was interesting to see the accessories available. However, nowhere does it > give any size information. Are these for S gauge, O gauge, or doesn't it really > matter??? > I

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9789	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: combining toy and scale

Chuck Harrington wrote: .(((((( I have decided to split my new layout into three sections. The first will be what I call "Flyertown, and will include AF style accessories and track on green painted plywood, just like I had as a kid. A long transitition area (which will actually be the top of a shelf) will carry the trains over Gargraves track to the other major layout table, which will be made with Woodland Scenics kind of stuff, and as scale and detailed as I can get it. This gives me the best of both worlds in a single layout.))))) I have the hopes of doing something like this when I expand my layout. I don't have a lot of AF accessories yet,(just ol' Sam and his semaphore and a barrel loader)but I'm starting to get quite a few of the Plasticville figures, which of course tower over my scale figures, so I'm thinkin', I'll give them a town of their own! Would like to hear from others that have different sections to their layout. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9790	From: Thor	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Work in Progress

I've been offline a few days, but that doesn't mean the work has stopped. We're committed to having at least a good start of our S gauge section posted by November. Seeing as the site (All gauge page - http://thortrains.hypermart.net) is still skeletal in form, I'm juggling a few projects. Just posted - a new Yule Tree safety piece, and in the Kid's section there's a downloadable railroad board game. Coming next week is the article for newcomers who find themselves in possession of a vintage set -either inherited, found at a flea market, etc. It will focus on the usual trains found in the attic: American Flyer, Marx, old beat-up HO, and Lionel. It's amazing what you can do on no budget, if you have the information. Also, for those pondering the use of 25mm or 30mm wargame figures to convert as S people - did I mention that the actual size is capricious? For one thing, half the wargame figures are too poorly molded for use in a good scale pike. Second, some makers of metal figures measure from the bottom of the base, others from the bottom of the feet. They do make some accessories, from various carts and ordnance to hay bales - all in soft heavy metal. Unlike the friendly medium of plastic, you need to think of solder and / or epoxy, small rasp files and lots of Sqaudron Putty when you work with metal figures. The variety of figures could be a 1/64 modeler's dream if he's willing to expend the efforts required by metal castings. One other thing - Williams issued reproductions of the short O27 Lionel plastic streamliners in a variety of roads. If you run a toy train style operation, they can be refitted with S trucks. However, these cars are far from scale.....any scale! Happy Railroading! Thor from the All Gauge M RR Page - http://thortrains.hypermart.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9791	From: trobicha@lucent.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Hallmark Harley Davidson ornament, with MTH rider

Yo: Very inexpensive accessory, pick up a Hallmark ornament, add a MTH person sitting and there you have it. Notice the Hess truck in the background, also inexpensive when you could find them. (See attached file: DSCN0386x.jpg) Tommy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9792	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER

Has anyone taken a look at the MTH " Gabe"? Is the doorway not on the wrong side of the house? David Dewey wrote: > Hi All, > Finally found pictures, go to this link, then scroll down to items > 30-9118, 30-9119, and 30-9120. Looks like pics of AF items! > > http://www.cyber-rail.com/catalogs/01vol1.htm > > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9793	From: starr007	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: armature for smoke in tender unit

For the person looking for the armature for the 1947 A.F. smoke in tender unit, Try Tom Seccia at Triple S supplies. Phone number is, 610- 296- 9428, I have purchased 2 from him in the past and was well satisfied with both of them. Hope this helps. J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9794	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER

For 149.00 I don't mind if it doesn't even have a door.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9795	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/9/2000
Subject: Re: MTH AF accessories- GABE THE LAMPLIGHTER

In a message dated 10/9/00 5:44:43 PM, kite1@... writes: << Has anyone taken a look at the MTH " Gabe"? Is the doorway not on the wrong side of the house? >> I have not had the opportunity to look in detail at the pictured Gabe in the MTH catalog, but is it possible that they took a picture of a heavily modified 774 flood light tower? The small house on a 774 is rotated 90 degrees from the position for the Gabe. The door on a Gabe needs to face the tower in order for the mechanism to work, of course. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9796	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: 592A Crossing and layouts

Hi all, I thought the crossings had only a light for the lantern on the cross-arm, not a bell. The only bell I know of is the 584 Bell Danger signal. As for the discussion on different types of S layouts; I have two levels on mine. The upper level uses gargraves track and I run almost exclusively current production scale-like stuff, scale cars, and scale people. I have a lower level where I use Gilbert (and K-Line) tinplate track, old accessories, non-scale vehicles and people, and run old or Lionel repro Flyer stuff. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9797	From: john foley	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Downs Railroad Equipment

Hi Folks Just a quick note to remind folks that Downs sold his line to. Manheim Machine & Tool Co. Inc. 139 Nevin Street Lancaster, Pa. 17603 Do if you plan on ordering anything you can use the Downs Catalogs or flyers and prices, but send your order to Manheim. John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9798	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: 592A Crossing and layouts

Wayne, & all, The 600 has the bell danger unit in the shed, and requires the 696 trips for it, and the 697 for the arm & lantern. I don't know which one MTH is going to make! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9799	From: Peck	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: 696 trips

<I would love to see some 696 trips reproduced! > They ARE! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9800	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 10/10/2000
Subject: Re: AM heavyweights

Maybe somebody should contact MM& T (former Down's products). Merlin has expressed a desire to do some new items but is not up to speed on what is needed. MM& T 139 Nevin Street Lancaster, Pa 17603 1-717-295-4966 Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STOUDT,KENNETH R." <STOUDTKR@...> To: "'Robin Thompson'" <robin@...>; <jarcho@...> Cc: <S-trains@egroups.com>; <s-scale@onelist.com> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Re: AM heavyweights Hi Guys, Are good quality replacement passenger trucks available? Thanks for your help and guidance. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 9:23 PM To: jarcho@... Cc: S-trains@egroups.com; s-scale@onelist.com Subject: [S-Trains] Re: AM heavyweights jarcho@... wrote: > Most of the problems I've heard about with these cars have to do with the > first run, which was cosponsored by S Helper I believe. We basically need > new trucks for these cars. Tom Jarcho Dear Scott and Tom, The heavyweight concept was ours. We approached AM in January of 1991 about a series of 8 heavyweight passenger cars of which 5 would be able to negotiate the 19" radius AF curved track. We picked out the cars to be made and send drawings for the car bodies and trucks. We too had problems with some of the cars and made good on returns. My partner Mike has bugged me for years to come up with a replacement truck, but I always had another project that needed funding. We did come up with a few fixes though. The addition of weight to the centersill always seems to help the cars track better. One thing we noticed was that some 4 wheel trucks did not like to equalize. Mike would take them apart and file the notch on the locking shaft located on the back of the sideframe. Some of these seemed to be cast at a 5° angle. By making this flat, they seemed to equalized better. The six wheel trucks were more frustrating when they did not work well. We had customers remove the center wheels and have good luck with that. The center axle should have blunted ends and not pointed like the others. This is intended to allow the center axle the ability to hunt for the center instead of being rigid and derailing on curves. We did find a few 6 wheel trucks that did not have the blunted center axles. One of the reasons we did the passenger cars, was to have starter sets made with the FP-7s. But, once we realized that some of the cars may need to be tinkered with, we dropped the idea. I do know that we had few if any complaints from the non-AF curve crowd. It was either that they were able to fix these problems themselves or it was not a problem on larger radius curves. I still think this was the most successful project that we did with American Models and have no regrets. But, I do wish he would re-run the 83' Pullman cars, that was the icing on the cake! Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... + + S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9801	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Gilbert Get-together @ York

Hi All........ I hope this doesn't offend anyone and it is certainly not meant as spam Dave's Twacks & Twains will be sponsoring a "Gilbert Get-together" to be held in the White Rose Ballroom of the Days Inn, 222 Arsenal Road on Thursday 10/19/00 @ 8:00pm here's the remaining details....... This is an educational activity, there will be NO buying, selling or trading of any kind. The purpose of the Gilbert Get-together is to generate interest in Gilbert, Teach & learn about Gilbert history, build friendships and camaraderie amongst Gilbert collectors & operators Any facet of Gilbert that anyone wants to talk about will be addressed, i.e. puzzles, kastor kits, chemistry, microscope sets etc. Bring your special piece and tell your story behind it Meet a new friend, Show & Tell, Bring & Brag, Open discussion to ask/answer any questions about Gilbert Prototypes will be on display Bring that Lionel friend you've being trying to convert and show the value of two rail Coffee & donuts will be served, there will be an admission charge of only $2.00 to help defray a small portion of the cost This event has no connection with the TCA Please feel free to advise others you may know that would like to attend Hope you have a good time at York whether you attend the meeting or not Last chance to see our current layout will be at 'S' Fest See link below Pictures provided by Paul Yorke of www.strains.com Web space courtesy www.trainweb.org & Badgerland s gaugers http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/Modular/Daves_Twacks.htm regard'S' Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9802	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New Link

http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/contact_me.html Folks, I added a new link to my web page, please go see it when you get the time. The link is above. Thanks -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Missouri Pacific Photo Page http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=817157

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9803	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link

Tom, I still appear to be receiving postings from you sent via OddballsDecals@egroups.com instead of via S-Trains@... and I still don't know why this is (see the copy of my earlier e-mail to you of 2/10/00, copied at the bottom of this posting). Would you please stop doing this. Thank you. Mark P. Baker. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Stolte [mailto:oddballdecal@...] Sent: 11 October 2000 15:58 To: OddballsDecals@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] New Link http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/contact_me.html Folks, I added a new link to my web page, please go see it when you get the time. The link is above. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Baker,MP,Mark,T BAKERMP D Sent: 02 October 2000 12:04 To: 'Tom Stolte' Cc: 'S-Trains eGroup (New)' Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Vaction Tom, When you get back from your "vaction" (sounds painful!) would it be possible please for you to send your postings to the S-Trains list via S-Trains@egroups.com instead of via OddballsDecals@egroups.com. I don't know what OddballsDecals@egroups.com is supposed to be but it doesn't sound like something I want to be a part of. Many thanks, Mark.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9804	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link

All postings that come to us from s-trains have a from address of the poster, not the s-trains list. The poster (OddballsDecals@egroups.com) has no control over this. --- mark.p.baker@... wrote: > Tom, > > > I still appear to be receiving postings from you sent via > OddballsDecals@egroups.com instead of via S-Trains@... and I > still > don't know why this is (see the copy of my earlier e-mail to you of > 2/10/00, > copied at the bottom of this posting). Would you please stop doing > this. > > > Thank you. > > > Mark P. Baker. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Stolte [mailto:oddballdecal@...] > Sent: 11 October 2000 15:58 > To: OddballsDecals@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Link > > > http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/contact_me.html > > Folks, > > I added a new link to my web page, please go see it when you get the > time. The link is above. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Baker,MP,Mark,T BAKERMP D > Sent: 02 October 2000 12:04 > To: 'Tom Stolte' > Cc: 'S-Trains eGroup (New)' > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Vaction > > > Tom, > > > When you get back from your "vaction" (sounds painful!) would it be > possible > please for you to send your postings to the S-Trains list via > S-Trains@egroups.com instead of via OddballsDecals@egroups.com. I > don't know > what OddballsDecals@egroups.com is supposed to be but it doesn't > sound like > something I want to be a part of. > > > Many thanks, > > > Mark. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-strains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9805	From: Stan S.	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: New Link

> I still appear to be receiving postings from you sent via > OddballsDecals@egroups.com instead of via S-Trains@eGroups. Did you try clicking on the "unsubscribe" option? The E-groups server apparently thinks that you subscribed to this list, even if you didn't do so. I don't believe that Tom has any control over this. Stan sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9806	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /AC_Gilbert1.jpg Uploaded by : alr@... Description : A.C. Gilbert Toys - right side You can access this file at the URL http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/AC_Gilbert1%2Ejpg To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html Regards, alr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9807	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: New file uploaded to S-Trains

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the S-Trains group. File : /AC_Gilbert2.jpg Uploaded by : alr@... Description : A.C. Gilbert Toys - left side You can access this file at the URL http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/AC_Gilbert2%2Ejpg To learn more about eGroups file sharing, please visit http://www.egroups.com/help/files.html Regards, alr@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9808	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/11/2000
Subject: Re: Hallmark motorcycle with sidecar

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, david_horn@b... wrote: > Yesterday I saw a mini-ornament from Hallmark of a 50's style > motorcycle with side-car that looked pretty compatible with S. Has > anyone else seen it? Too big? I generally like to imagine what it'd > be like for a 1.125" tall person (6' scale) to use, but I thought you > psuedo-scalers might know more excactly if this is within reason or > not. Price $7.98. Not bad looking other than the windshields are > painted silver and you'd need to cut off the loop for hanging it. Well, I finally went into Hallmark to check this out and....I bought one. It is a Harley-Davidson Duo-Glide. First introduced in 1958. This is a 1962 model. I think it looks pretty cool!! I am like David, not real sure if it's perfect "S" or not, but looks real close. I haven't stood one of my scale guys next to it yet! As for the little hanging loop,..I'm betting it is just a little screw and it can be backed out. Last year I bought a little Santa and a snowman ornament (.99 cents, How can you pass THAT up??) that are close to "S" that I just un-screwed the hangie-thing. I might have to go buy another one of these Harley's!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9809	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: K-line spike suppressors

I received a new K-line catalog in the mail just a couple weeks ago and I noticed a spike suppressor you apparently wire in between your transformer and leads to your rails. Has anyone tried these? At the moment, I don't have the catalog handy, but I don't think they were very expensive, maybe around 20$. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9810	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Question: Is Linonel AC GILBERT CAR IN S same as in O

Saw an AC Gilbert Reefer in Lionel O #19529, looked attractive. Is this the same as the Lionel #(4)8318 AC Gilbert Box car in S?? Joe Craig 94 0

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9811	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.

Dear Karl, The first run of heavyweight (8 cars originally) was proposed to Ron Bashista in January of 1991 with the first roadnames arriving in June of 1992. The CN was part of the 2nd run and did not appear until a few years later. Cars were sold as sets or as individuals. We had purchased the entire first run and that is why we had AM make the blue and yellow SHS boxes. I am not sure why the CNW was crossed out, but I do know that we routinely crossed out hirail or scale for the wheels as we swapped them around quite often at the end of the inventory run. Don Thompson Karl Raab wrote: > Thanx to Mike on for the info on American Models 72 ft passenger cars. > ,,,But rats, they are out of Chicago & North Western. > I recently came across an NOS item on a shelf at a local hobby shop. > It's a heavyweight observation car in Canadian National colors by S- > Helper service. The box (Blue & yellow print) was originally > stamped for CNW but that was crossed out and CN written in. No info > on this car in Greenbergs listing at the back of the AF guide. > Can anyone shed some light on when S-Helper put these out? > Thanx in advance... > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9812	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: SHS C & O rebuilt boxcar

Hi all, Since I was just hoodwinked out of my SHS C & O rebuilt boxcar in a trade for a computer chair for my girlfriend, I am now in the market for at least one of each number. Does anyone have an extra one that they would like to part with? Thanks Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9813	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals

571 Harmon Grain, 3 bay PS high side covered hopper. (9-67) Painted off white, ends & underbody painted black. Proto 2000 kit. Black, white & dark green lettering. Artwork drawn by James E. Gilley. Set will letter 1 car. 572 Missour Pacific Lines assorted red & white heralds. 4 different sizes. 573 SSW (Cotton Belt) ACF 3 bay covered hopper. (6-77) Accurail or Athearn kit. Painted med grey. Set will letter 1 car. Black lettering. 574 Blue Circle Cement, BCAX 2 bay covered hopper. (5-00) Intermountain kit. Set will letter 1 car. Painted light grey. Black & red lettering. Blue & yellow Blue Circle Cement logo. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9814	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/12/2000
Subject: Re: SHS C & O rebuilt boxcar

Nothing personal Bill, but what kind of schmuck gives up a favorite train car for his girlfriend?????? That really puzzles me. I hope you never get married to her. She'll be expecting you to do house work instead of playing with trains. what a sad life that would be!!!!!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9815	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Do Weights belong in 803 boxcar

New guy here again with a question. Just bought several pieces of rolling stock. Found my 803 has two lead weights mounted inside on base plate. I assume these were added by someone???????Is this in fact original or is it advisable as it keeps the cars on track????-THanks-Joe Craig

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9816	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: That's Some Trade

"Bill Lane" <billlane@...> wrote: <Hi all, < <Since I was just hoodwinked out of my SHS C & O <rebuilt boxcar in a trade for a computer chair for my <girlfriend, I am now in the market for at least <one of each number. Does anyone have an extra one that <they would like to part with? < <Thanks <Bill Whoa, you traded an SHS C&O rebuilt boxcar for a computer chair and then traded the computer chair for your girlfriend!! And now you are loooking for a new boxcar, computer chair, and girfriend. You are some trader!! :<) However, not seeing your girfriend, I would never trade my SHS C&O rebuit boxcar for my wife. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9817	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Gilbert display.

Fellow Gilbert buffs, I took my granddaughter, Ashley Liptok, to an astronomy club meeting last night (Thursday 12 October). The meeting was held in the Reading, PA museum. We walked onto the second floor after signing in to be greeted by an Irish Mail like one I had as a kid in grade school. It turned out to be manufactured by A.C. Gilbert. Looking around I could see multiple displays of Mecchano and Erector sets. It was like a trip through a pre-Christmas toyland display at a department store. One of the displays had the Erector "whistling billboard," well known and loved by Flyer buffs. It also featured a carnival type ride that was driven by a stationary steam engine. Never saw one of those. As Ashley and I checked out each display I explained to her how we had these toys when we were kids and how they worked. She said to me, "Pop-Pop, you sure were lucky to have toys like that!" We sure were. But it was because I was lucky enough to be going through childhood while A.C. Gilbert was manufacturing these great toys. Missing, however, were American Flyer trains and accessories. On our way out at the end of the meeting I told one of the security guards that they were missing the A.C. Gilbert trains from the display. Anyone who lives close enough to Reading might want to stop in and see some great stuff! It sure makes you feel young again! W. Thomas Boussum

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9818	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.

I happen to have a set of these cars which I have never run. I would like to purchase passenger car trucks for them. Are they available? Anyone have some? I'll throw in a computer chair, someone else's girl friend and a box full of caboose shells. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Robin Thompson [mailto:robin@...] Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:17 PM To: Karl Raab; s-scale@onelist.com; S Train Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up. Dear Karl, The first run of heavyweight (8 cars originally) was proposed to Ron Bashista in January of 1991 with the first roadnames arriving in June of 1992. The CN was part of the 2nd run and did not appear until a few years later. Cars were sold as sets or as individuals. We had purchased the entire first run and that is why we had AM make the blue and yellow SHS boxes. I am not sure why the CNW was crossed out, but I do know that we routinely crossed out hirail or scale for the wheels as we swapped them around quite often at the end of the inventory run. Don Thompson Karl Raab wrote: > Thanx to Mike on for the info on American Models 72 ft passenger cars. > ,,,But rats, they are out of Chicago & North Western. > I recently came across an NOS item on a shelf at a local hobby shop. > It's a heavyweight observation car in Canadian National colors by S- > Helper service. The box (Blue & yellow print) was originally > stamped for CNW but that was crossed out and CN written in. No info > on this car in Greenbergs listing at the back of the AF guide. > Can anyone shed some light on when S-Helper put these out? > Thanx in advance... > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9819	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.

> From: "STOUDT,KENNETH R." <STOUDTKR@...> > > I happen to have a set of these cars which I have never run. I would like > to purchase passenger car trucks for them. Are they available? Anyone have > some? I'll throw in a computer chair, someone else's girl friend and a box > full of caboose shells. > Ken Girl friend... caboose shells.... ummm... i wonder which would get me into more truoble with my wife? (take the chair!, take the chair!...) Shaken, not stired, kbt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9820	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM Heavyweight follow-up, follow-up.

Ken, I have no idea if they will fit, but reproduction ACG heavyweight trucks are available. These are metal-framed trucks and have mounted couplers, and the wheelsets have enough side-to-side play in them to handle AF curves (IMHO, the lack of side play in the AM trucks is most of their problem, unless you want my opinion on their couplers!) It would be intersting to hear from anyone who has attempted this kind of adaption, I don't have any of these cars myself to try it on. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9821	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Virus Alert

Hi Folks, I got hit by a virus the other day. It probably arrived via an email attachment of text since the form is NOTEPAD.EXE. It immediately spread to the other computers on my local network. It expressed itself in two ways. First, my computer would automatically dial the internet all by itself. Second, the computer would start responding very sluggishly. If you look in your WINDOWS directory and find NOTEPAD.EXE at a size of about 120kb and also find NOTE.COM, then you have it too. There is more information about it on: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/qaz.trojan.html It is not too hard to remove, but there are a couple of steps. I've done it and I'm virus free. If the web site is not helpful enough, drop me a note and I'll help you with the cure. Removal of the virus will not affect the collectibility of your computer and need not be disclosed to members of the TCA. Later, Bill (Bug Free) Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9822	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: Do Weights belong in 803 boxcar

Joe, That's an addition. Might be a good idea, depends on how much wieght it is, and how light the cars are in front of it. I remember adding some fishing line sinkers to a tank car I had, as the plastic framed car seemed to cause a lot of derailments on my winter layout, but that was some 30 years ago, I don't remember all the details! 30 years ago?? When did I get THIS old???? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9823	From: Keith B. Thompson - Sun	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Virus Alert

> From dlconway@... Fri Oct 13 11:44:40 2000 > > The operative thing here is .EXE, which means > an executable program. A ripe carrier for a virus. > > A text file generally has the extensions .TXT (text), > .ASC (ascii text), .RTF (rich text format) or .DOC > (document) And the beauty of M$ Windoze is that by default it does not display extensions. Besides not easily knowing that a file is executable some viriuses take advantage of this by being named "foo.txt.exe" so when Windoze strips the extension it looks like "foo.txt"... and we all know that viriuses can't be in plain text... moral of the story, go in a set your Windoze parameter to always show file extensions... better yet, throw that crap out and convert to Apple or Lynux! Waiting for the weekend, kbt p.s. be wary of .DOC files since they can contain M$ Word macros. Word, which like every other M$ product, is filled with security holes... p.p.s. can you fill something with holes?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9824	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Virus Alert

Keith wrote: "p.p.s. can you fill something with holes?" Umm, I've filled up more than once on donut holes! <G> S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9825	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: New Link

Scott, Thank you for your highly accurate observation. I fully accept that postings from the list have a "from" address of the poster. What my problem is that every posting I receive from the S-Trains list normally has a "to" address of S-Trains@... except those sent by Tom Stolte which have a "to" address of OddballsDecals@egroups.com. Am I the only one experiencing this? Regards, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Holm [mailto:imsscott@...] Sent: 11 October 2000 16:53 To: mark.p.baker@... Cc: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Link All postings that come to us from s-trains have a from address of the poster, not the s-trains list. The poster (OddballsDecals@egroups.com) has no control over this. --- mark.p.baker@... wrote: > Tom, > > > I still appear to be receiving postings from you sent via > OddballsDecals@egroups.com instead of via S-Trains@... and I > still > don't know why this is (see the copy of my earlier e-mail to you of > 2/10/00, > copied at the bottom of this posting). Would you please stop doing > this. > > > Thank you. > > > Mark P. Baker. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Stolte [mailto:oddballdecal@...] > Sent: 11 October 2000 15:58 > To: OddballsDecals@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] New Link > > > http://members.tripod.com/mopac1/contact_me.html > > Folks, > > I added a new link to my web page, please go see it when you get the > time. The link is above. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Baker,MP,Mark,T BAKERMP D > Sent: 02 October 2000 12:04 > To: 'Tom Stolte' > Cc: 'S-Trains eGroup (New)' > Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Vaction > > > Tom, > > > When you get back from your "vaction" (sounds painful!) would it be > possible > please for you to send your postings to the S-Trains list via > S-Trains@egroups.com instead of via OddballsDecals@egroups.com. I > don't know > what OddballsDecals@egroups.com is supposed to be but it doesn't > sound like > something I want to be a part of. > > > Many thanks, > > > Mark.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9826	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: New Link

Stan, Thank you for this suggestion. I have checked the eGroups site and, according to them, I am not a suscriber to the OddBallsDecals eGroup, so I am not able to un-subscribe. Regards, Mark. -----Original Message----- From: Stan S. [mailto:sscale@...] Sent: 11 October 2000 17:45 To: mark.p.baker@... Cc: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: RE: [S-Trains] New Link > I still appear to be receiving postings from you sent via > OddballsDecals@egroups.com instead of via S-Trains@eGroups. Did you try clicking on the "unsubscribe" option? The E-groups server apparently thinks that you subscribed to this list, even if you didn't do so. I don't believe that Tom has any control over this. Stan sscale@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9827	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Blind Carbon Copy (Bcc:)

If you address your note to someone (like oddballsdecals...) and then add other addresses like s-strains and/or s-scale, the TO: will only show that part of the info. The Blind part will not be shown. Tom does this to keep us from seeing a long list of the recipients of his note. I asked Tom to put the list names up in the TO: or CC section of his next product annoucement. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9828	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9829	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: Re: girlfriend

Or worse yet, she might want you to trade all your trains for a computer or a new car, or a new refrigerator, or .................. yipes !!! Get a new girlfriend !! Quick, while you still have trains left. LOL Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division cbtrainnut wrote: Nothing personal Bill, but what kind of schmuck gives up a favorite train car for his girlfriend?????? That really puzzles me. I hope you never get married to her. She'll be expecting you to do house work instead of playing with trains. what a sad life that would be!!!!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9830	From: Steve Jones	Date: 10/13/2000
Subject: S Fest Car Questions

I received the following message on the Badgerland S Gaugers WWW site. It's loaded with questions about S Fest cars which I was not able to answer personally. So, I forwarded the message to those members of the BSG who have E-mail accounts. I would also like to ask the S-Trains list members to take a crack at the questions and forward your responses directly to Jake Jacobsen Nut4aftrns@... as well as responding to the list. If anyone has digital pictures of the S Fest cars or can share any historical information about the cars or past conventions please respond directly to me at sejones@... and I'll include your information on the S Fest WWW site http://www.trainweb.org/bsg. Don't forget that S Fest is only a few short weeks away. Details of all the planned activities, tours, clinics, layouts and other events are on the BSG WWW page. We have a couple of exciting days of all "S"activities lined up. There's still time to register and join us Oct 27th - 29th. Even if you can't commit until the last minute you can just show up at the door and register on-site. A number of the S-Trains list members have stepped forward to participate in S Fest as Silver Sponsors, Sponsors, or Contributors. Please join us in letting them know how much their generosity means to all of us. There are banners on the S Fest pages hyperlinked to their WWW sites to acknowledge their support. Jake's message follows: To the Club members of the Badgerland 'S' Gaugers. I've just viewed your Web Site and I can't say anything but a big AT-TA-BOY !!! Your site has so much stuff about your club and the up and coming 2000 'S' Fest I was just OVERWHELMED with what you guys have done here. I really liked all the background info pertaining to the history for all the Club cars from 1976 thru 1990. Was there ever a 1975 car done ?? I have the whole set except for the 1976 Red 3-bay Hopper, might there be one out there for sale ?? [SJ - I'm pretty sure there will be one for sale in the S Fest auction] Was the 1978 Caboose animated or not ?? For 1979 I only have the 3-Bay hopper, what's up with the single dome tankcar ?? [SJ - My understanding is that there was a limited supply of AF shells to custom paint so both were produced] There was a mention for 1980 that a 20 year NASG car was done as a Gondola, are they available anywhere ?? [SJ - I'm pretty sure there will be one for sale in the S Fest auction] Starting in 1991 - 1999 I have all of the "Booster Club Cars" that John Wickland has done, ( I'm number 32). Now as for the 1995 Orange Shell Monsanto, I suppose they are going off at a pretty good price ?? [SJ - Rumor has it that one of these will be available on the trading floor, only a handful were produced. It's supposedly one of the most valuable S Fest cars] Somehow I missed your 1997 IC Flat with tractors, where might I get one of those ?? [SJ - I'm pretty sure there will be one for sale in the S Fest auction] Was there ever a car done for 1998 ?? Lastly might there be any Club members wanting to sell off a Crown Models ( #25251 ) MILWAUKEE Road Reefer yet ?? I also have a Club member out here in California that wants the numbers 252,253,254 and 255, he already has the numbers 25256 & 7 on order. I could pick up these cars for him since I'm coming the the Fest, I'm registrant number 273. By the way I'm Jake Jacobsen Club Secretary/Treasury/Editor/Publisher/Volume Discount Coordinator of the Golden Gate American Flyer Club in the San Francisco Bay Area. I'll be seeing you at the end of the month. Steven E. Jones sejones@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9831	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????

Just an obsevation. Considered joining TCA-Found they have a new member special where you get a book about Lionel worth 39.95 free. How does this entice an "s" guy to join. If they had an alternative such as "The man who lived in paradise" I probably would have sent in dues immediately. Is TCA run by all "O" guys??

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9832	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????

Joe, I've never joined TCA (Don't know two members to recomend me for one thing!) But have been a member, off and on, of TTOS. Both groups seem to give token recognition to us in the perfect scale. I joined TTOS this last year primarely to get the crane car, but then I didn't buy it! The magazine the whole time had no S stuff in it, so I'm not re-upping. Yeah, there is a local chapter (well, it's an hour and a half drive away) that does meet once a month and has trading, but I've never managed to make a meeting (I work most Saturdays, so can't get away)) and the connections one might make there may be worth the membership. Results may vary depending on your location! <G> S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9833	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Spam & other related items

Folks, I have decided not to post my decal announcements to these 2 lists any more. So if you still want to see my postings, you'll have to subscribe to: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com So if someone from one of these groups gets my post, you may forward my post to these lists if you want, but you may get flame for it. I have been getting to many complaints about posting to these 2 lists only. No one else on the other lists at egroups complain. Some people call it spam, I do not. If it is spam, we get it everyday like it or not. We get spam in our snail mail, spam on TV, spam on the radio and also spam on the phone from telamarketers. Also when I make a post, I DO send to S-Scale and S-Trains as a bcc copy. (blind carbon copy) so you all don't see over 300 headers in your email. I have around 300 people that I send my posts to, that is not counting the members in my OddballsDecals list. If I was to CC everyone on my list, you would see over 300 emails address in you headers. Now I know someone would complain about that. Sorry I have to do this, but I must. Its been a very enjoyable group to be with. Some people on these list will be glad I'm gone. My decision is final. Happy Modeling. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9834	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: oddballdecals & Spam!

Tom Stolte <oddballdecal@l...> wrote: (((((( Folks, I have decided not to post my decal announcements to these 2 lists any more. So if someone from one of these groups gets my post, you may forward my post to these lists if you want, but you may get flame for it. I have been getting to many complaints about posting to these 2 lists only. No one else on the other lists at egroups complain.)))))) Yes it is true that Tom advertises his decal business on S- trains, and to some, that is SPAM. Although I may never use Tom's decals, it is still a vital part of the toy (or scale) train world as well as other manufacturers (SP?) of train related items! As I have stated in the past,...I DO NOT receive emails from S- Trains,...I go to the site. I go through all the posts, and if one doesn't interest me, I move on. Several people have mentioned for the others that receive emails and there are topics not of their interest,...the delete button works great!! Feel free to delete this message also!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9835	From: john foley	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Bachmann

Hi Folks If any of you who have purchased the new Bachmann On30 trains and are not using the trucks the following fellow will buy all you have for $4.00 a pair and he will pay shipping. Kenneth D. Young 530 S. 15th St. Lebanon, Pa. 17042 717 274-0584 Sorry he is not online. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9836	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY???????

Not exactly, but, it is run by the people who actually do something. In this case, there is a group of members who have performed the research, photography, organization, writing, committee campaigning, attended meetings and all of the other work required to produce the excellent resource offered to new members. I have one and it is a beaut. I wish there was something similar for postwar American Flyer. For such a mythical book to be offered in similar circumstances, it would need to be produced by TCA members for the benefit of the TCA. In the TCA as in all organizations, the work that gets done is performed by people who actually do the work. It may be influenced by the sideliners who comment, criticize and complain, but it is done by workers. There are more members interested in Prewar Lionel than there are who are interested in Postwar American Flyer. Among this group are people who will work for the sake of their hobby. The only way to get the alternative book is to join, recruit others to the cause and then slog away for the years it takes to get the project completed. If that sounds like fun, it is an opportunity. If it sounds unattractive, the situation will not change. Later, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Joseph R. Craig <gunrjoe@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA NEW MEMBER SPECIAL-FOR LIONEL PEOPLE ONLY??????? >Just an obsevation. Considered joining TCA-Found they have a new >member special where you get a book about Lionel worth 39.95 free. >How >does this entice an "s" guy to join. If they had an alternative such >as "The man who lived in paradise" I probably would have sent in dues >immediately. Is TCA run by all "O" guys?? >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9837	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA new book

The new book is apparently largely devoted to distinguishing between repro and original items. There are some basic differences between Lionel PW collectors and Flyer S gauge collectors. There were a lot more Lionel trains made than Flyer. Even while they were still being manufactured, Flyer items were hard to find. Lionel was everywhere. Now, there are many more Lionel collectors than Flyer. In general, Flyer collectors are just glad to be able to find Flyer and will overlook scratches, touchups, and repro parts, as long as the item is what it purports to be. Since there are usually many of each item available, Lionel collecting has largely degenerated into the sport of who has the trains with the least scratches and blemishes. Repro parts and touchups are less acceptable. In addition, Lionel reproductions, repaints, and forgeries have been a cottage industry for years, necessitating this book. There just isn't the demand for Flyer that would generate profits for this kind of activity. There have been only a few forgeries of Flyer stuff and most serious collectors know all about them. The few reproductions are also well known. Therefore, if there were going to be a Flyer book, it might have a considerably different slant. There are always exceptions to generalizations such as these, but the above words describe a pattern that has been developing for years. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9838	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA new book

Hi Brethren, I mostly agree with Tom. I have the TCA book and use it regularly because (sadly) I like the old, tinplate Lionel toy trains. They are not good models, but, they are excellent toys and many are delightful to look at. Here is the disagree part. The TCA book is not mostly about detecting forgeries. It is mostly a document of what items were made and when. It discusses the early history of that company, but only in passing. The main thrust is a catalog of the items made in Standard gauge and in O gauge. There is a chart of color 'chips' to help restorers match the original colors when repainting. There are many, many color pictures and there is a well-organized listing of the model numbers of the train items made from 1900 through 1943. The book has a hard cover and 256 pages that are full of well-researched data. The preface includes a list in small type that covers over a full page. The list is a list of the names of contributors. There are probably as many contributors to that book as there are members of this list. In the center of the book is a section that lists errors that crept into the early typesetting, but which were caught before the entire tome was printed. There is also a large section of items that were just missed in the first edition. the TCA members that worked on this reference worked hard and then came back for more. It is a reference that represents the (slightly misguided) love of these people for there old trains and not about counting scuffs in a paint job. There is a new, much smaller booklet that is published by the TCA entitled: "Postwar Lionel Reproduction Handbook Guide". This book is more about detecting forgeries. Perhaps, this last booklet is the one to which Tom refers. It is provided free to all TCA members and it is not the inducement to join' book about Prewar Lionel. Old Bill in Florida PS - I saw our esteemed moderator (Paul Yorke) and our official list sponsor (Mark Premen) at a TTOS meet, today. There was a lot of laughter and happy conversation among all of the attendees. If you can imagine it, there were people there who actually prefer trains of different sizes yet who still shared the happy time together. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... <jarcho@...> To: S-trains@egroups.com <S-trains@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: [S-Trains] TCA new book >The new book is apparently largely devoted to distinguishing between repro >and original items. There are some basic differences between Lionel PW >collectors and Flyer S gauge collectors. > >There were a lot more Lionel trains made than Flyer. Even while they were >still being manufactured, Flyer items were hard to find. Lionel was >everywhere. Now, there are many more Lionel collectors than Flyer. In >general, Flyer collectors are just glad to be able to find Flyer and will >overlook scratches, touchups, and repro parts, as long as the item is what >it purports to be. Since there are usually many of each item available, >Lionel collecting has largely degenerated into the sport of who has the >trains with the least scratches and blemishes. Repro parts and touchups >are less acceptable. > >In addition, Lionel reproductions, repaints, and forgeries have been a >cottage industry for years, necessitating this book. There just isn't the >demand for Flyer that would generate profits for this kind of activity. >There have been only a few forgeries of Flyer stuff and most serious >collectors know all about them. The few reproductions are also well known. > > >Therefore, if there were going to be a Flyer book, it might have a >considerably different slant. > >There are always exceptions to generalizations such as these, but the above >words describe a pattern that has been developing for years. > >Tom Jarcho > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9839	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: Re: TCA new book

Dear Tom, The latest issue of CTT has an article about some AF repro freight cars and what to look for. Don Thompson jarcho@... wrote: > The new book is apparently largely devoted to distinguishing between repro > and original items. There are some basic differences between Lionel PW > collectors and Flyer S gauge collectors. > > There were a lot more Lionel trains made than Flyer. Even while they were > still being manufactured, Flyer items were hard to find. Lionel was > everywhere. Now, there are many more Lionel collectors than Flyer. In > general, Flyer collectors are just glad to be able to find Flyer and will > overlook scratches, touchups, and repro parts, as long as the item is what > it purports to be. Since there are usually many of each item available, > Lionel collecting has largely degenerated into the sport of who has the > trains with the least scratches and blemishes. Repro parts and touchups > are less acceptable. > > In addition, Lionel reproductions, repaints, and forgeries have been a > cottage industry for years, necessitating this book. There just isn't the > demand for Flyer that would generate profits for this kind of activity. > There have been only a few forgeries of Flyer stuff and most serious > collectors know all about them. The few reproductions are also well known. > > Therefore, if there were going to be a Flyer book, it might have a > considerably different slant. > > There are always exceptions to generalizations such as these, but the above > words describe a pattern that has been developing for years. > > Tom Jarcho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9840	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: TCA New book

My mistake. I haven't seen the new book yet. I was only going by the discussion of it in the toytrains list. It sounds like a wonderful book, Bill. Forgeries in Flyer might be a fun topic on this list. I'll check out that CTT article. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9841	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/14/2000
Subject: My Post about TCA

I got back mostly positive feedback on my previous post but managed to apparently upset a couple of multi-scale people, who misundererstood what I meant. I wasn't cutting down any O people or the hard work they do for TCA and the Hobby, my point was that, as a marketing strategy, if you truly want to attract a multi-scale membership it would be wise to offer a choice in enticements to interest more than one segment. I value and appreciate all I am learning about the hobby from this list and the toy train list through which I have learned much from the "o" people as so much of our issues overlap. If I offended anyone I appologize.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9842	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: NOT SPAM

Hi Tom, I joined your Frisco list but it doesn't have the news the S -Trains list has. I don't think you should stop posting to this list.I don't think your decal info is spam. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9843	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 782

> Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 11:25:08 -0500 > From: Tom Stolte <oddballdecal@...> > Subject: Spam & other related items > > Folks, > > I have decided not to post my decal announcements to these 2 lists any > more. So if you still want to see my postings, you'll have to subscribe > to: > > OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com > > I have been getting to many complaints about posting to these 2 lists > only. No one else on the other lists at egroups complain. > Sorry I have to do this, but I must. > > Its been a very enjoyable group to be with. Some people on these list > will be glad I'm gone. My decision is final. > > Happy Modeling. > > -- > Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals > The Herald King of Kansas > N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals > 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 > Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... > Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ > Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com > Sometimes I wonder why ANYONE would want to produce ANYTHING for S people. Wayne Beachy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9844	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Spam & other related items

Tom, I think it is a great service to inform us of your offerings. Let the winers cry, and if they don't like it they can hit delete or drop off the list. Hope you don't stop because of a few cry babies. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9845	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Spam

A little Spam never hurt anyone, but I wouldn't want a steady diet of it. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9846	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Do we need a new S-list?

Do we need a new S-list? One where discussion of S on eBay, and announcements of new S-products is actually welcomed? Complaints have actually removed many of the postings on this list that I have enjoyed reading in the past. I think twice before mentioning eBay here, after several readers had a cow when I did it before. When it was suggested that we have a separate S-On-eBay list, many did not like that, and I suppose an S-spam-list (S-New-products list) would be opposed to as well. I really was sorry to see the S-scale list break away! I think I will just go to York and forget about all this!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9847	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Would all the crybabies please remove themselves from this list. You are all taking the fun away from MY hobby.Instead of chasing others away you don't like , just unsubscribe. Thank you very much. Now back to having fun with MY hobby. BTW keep me subscribed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9848	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Video & Trolley

I went to a train show yesterday. Picked up a couple 'fun' items. I just got the TM video - Fun & Thrills It is made in 1994. It includes Bruce Lorence, Brad Nelson, Bruce Manson, Warren Frost and their layouts. Anybody know why these guys are not on our list? It is a fun video, runs about 60 minutes. ---------------------------------------------- I also bought a Putt Trains Trolley. See http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/putt/putt.html See you tonight at the chat.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9849	From: andy lorince	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Do we need a new S-list?

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@c...> wrote: > Do we need a new S-list? One where discussion of S on eBay, and > announcements of new S-products is actually welcomed? > > Complaints have actually removed many of the postings on this list that > I have enjoyed reading in the past. I think twice before mentioning eBay > here, after several readers had a cow when I did it before. When it was > suggested that we have a separate S-On-eBay list, many did not like > that, and I suppose an S-spam-list (S-New-products list) would be > opposed to as well. I really was sorry to see the S-scale list break > away! > > I think I will just go to York and forget about all this! maybe an s-trains marketplace on deja? a.l.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9850	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Video & Trolley

I've seen the 'Fun and Thrills' video and enjoyed three of the layouts. The only one that was a disappointing was the one by Bruce Manson. I found it was minimal on content of Flyer trains, they were nothing special to write home about and what we did see was repeated over and over again, it also hogged about 25 minutes of the 60 minute tape. I would rather have seen the allocated time on the other three layouts. Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> To: s-trains@egroups.com <s-trains@egroups.com> Date: 15 October 2000 11:36 Subject: [S-Trains] Video & Trolley >I went to a train show yesterday. Picked up a couple 'fun' items. > >I just got the TM video - Fun & Thrills >It is made in 1994. >It includes Bruce Lorence, Brad Nelson, Bruce Manson, Warren Frost and >their layouts. >Anybody know why these guys are not on our list? > >It is a fun video, runs about 60 minutes. > >---------------------------------------------- > >I also bought a Putt Trains Trolley. See >http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/putt/putt.html > >See you tonight at the chat. > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9851	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: video

I would like to respectfully disagree with Neil. I thought Bruce Manson's layout was far and away the best and most interesting layout on that video. i learned a lot from it. 1. Toy railroading at its best is autobiographical. Bruce took this to new heights. I think this is very important. He put his whole life into that thing, just the way a great jazz soloist does. 2. Bruce's use of sound was way ahead of his time. 3. The warmth and humor of his efforts were emotionally powerful. 4. His railroad doesn't look like every other Flyer layout. 5. He has everything on there but the kitchen sink. NO LIMITS ! Gotta love it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9852	From: Neil Trump	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: video

I don't have a problem with Tom's view at all. It's down to each individual as to how they perceive value from a product, in this case the content of a video. For me, BM's layout just didn't trigger any emotion on the non Flyer portion, which was a fair bit of 25 minutes. I'm glad we are all individuals with our own minds, unlike some others we know that have that strange bit of metal running down the middle of our 2 rails. Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: jarcho@... <jarcho@...> To: S-trains@egroups.com <S-trains@egroups.com> Date: 15 October 2000 12:58 Subject: [S-Trains] video >I would like to respectfully disagree with Neil. I thought Bruce Manson's >layout was far and away the best and most interesting layout on that video. >i learned a lot from it. > >1. Toy railroading at its best is autobiographical. Bruce took this to >new heights. I think this is very important. He put his whole life into >that thing, just the way a great jazz soloist does. >2. Bruce's use of sound was way ahead of his time. >3. The warmth and humor of his efforts were emotionally powerful. >4. His railroad doesn't look like every other Flyer layout. >5. He has everything on there but the kitchen sink. NO LIMITS ! Gotta >love it. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9853	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9854	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Thrills and fun,,,,,,,

Dear S-Group, I'v personally written and talked to Mr.Bruce Lorence.I've told him about our Sunday night chats.Maybe if Paul would invite him since he would be a little more professional then me, and besides Paul has more clout then I.I've watched that A.F.tape over and over.My vote is for Bruce Lorence.I think that he has the same idea as Mr.A.C.Gilbert had when he was manufacturing trains.Make them fun,make real, make them to last !! I love Bruce's layout. "s"incerely.......Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9855	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Video & Trolley

It is a great video...It is labeled Part 1...wish TM would produce Part 2! Michael Paul Yorke wrote: > I went to a train show yesterday. Picked up a couple 'fun' items. > > I just got the TM video - Fun & Thrills > It is made in 1994. > It includes Bruce Lorence, Brad Nelson, Bruce Manson, Warren Frost and > their layouts. > Anybody know why these guys are not on our list? > > It is a fun video, runs about 60 minutes. > > ---------------------------------------------- > > I also bought a Putt Trains Trolley. See > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/putt/putt.html > > See you tonight at the chat. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9856	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 782

Wayne Beachy wrote in connection with Oddball Decals that : > Sometimes I wonder why ANYONE would want to produce ANYTHING for S people. > We can be a bitchy bunch that's for sure. Personally I enjoy Tom's decal lists. I wish more manufacturers especially the smaller ones would make use of the list. It's not that busy. cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9857	From: James Roberts	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Sorry I missed out tonight. If the postings here are a sample, it must have been lively this week >We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > >Sunday Chat > >Date: Sunday, October 15, 2000 >Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) > >Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9858	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: "Fun & Thrills" video

I too, pop in this video in the old VCR when I need a Flyer charge! And I would have to say that Bruce Manson's layout is more of the type I enjoy. However I do agree with Neil T. that not much Flyer was highlighted. Also, with a couple of the other layouts, there was a repeat of the accessories, (coal loaders, Gabe, etc.). The first layout shown had the Flyer circus trains running around but no mention of them. I would have liked to see more on engines and rolling stock. But it is a great video! Although the back cover says, "No Lionel here!", they did do a comparison of a Flyer operating milk car with a Lionel one!! When might they do a part 2 ???? I know,...don't hold my breath!! I would buy a video full of shots from average layouts on up to the super-duper ones!! It is fun to see different ideas with layouts. I forgot to mention that quite a few minutes of video were eaten up by showing off Manson's old toys and not just his layout. Sure would be nice to have ALL that room he has!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9859	From: Karl Raab	Date: 10/15/2000
Subject: Another TM Product

My copy of the new American Flyer price guide by TM arrived on Friday. Outstanding!!! It's great to finally have a pocket guide with complete descriptions, including variations. Their trends and desireability indicators are a neat touch. I fully understand Dave Garrigues position re pricing, but I am glad that price information was included. Dave should be pleased that they got the "asking" prices RIGHT, not like some other recently published guides. P.S. I also agree that a "Part 2" video on flyer is overdue.....

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9860	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2

Hi All, Over the last 3 years I have spoken with Tom Macomas at York and asked him about the Fun and Thrill Part 2 video. Each time the answer was "we are editing it and will have it at the next York." Since I was not going to be at York this week I e-mailed them a few weeks ago with the same question and guess what the answer was; We are editing it and it will be out soon. If anyone will be at York this week you might bug them for me. They are usually in the lobby of the Holidrome during pre-meet days and in the black hall (I think) during the meet. It is the building where SHS is located, on the opposite side of the back of the building. Maybe if they see enough interest they will go ahead and produce it. I have noticed they have had the part 1 on sale for a couple of years so they may not sell as many of these as they do the Lionel tapes which proliferate. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9861	From: John	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Video Fun n Thrills

Oh Boy! I purchased that video and like they say what a charge I really do enjoy seeing the other Layouts it gives us little layout guys some great Ideas And I agree the next Video should show the Different A-F Engines and Rolling Stock with Scenery Tips and Repair tips Volume 1 and 11 what a great idea!! I have started my New Layout with Gargraves Flex Track what a Blast! It is 5 x 7 plus a Power table for my Controls & Trannys [2] I also have a 3" Rise to a 40" Stone Ached Bridge with a woodlands Scenery as a Backdrop My layout consist of an Outer Oval with Stone Bridge and a inner oval with a Wooden trestle Bridge 2 Sidings 1 to my HO Lumber Mill and one for unloading my RRTies and Fence Posts from the Mill I have a passenger Station with Whistle and a Loading Siding with Rerailer from my Power Table I Run my outer Loop with a DC #15 Rectifier for my DC Trains And I run my Inner Loop with a Tech 11 AC Power for my AC Trains I have a nice light table top so that i can store the Layout upright against a spare wall covered with a sheet during the summer months the two Bridges easily lift and so do the few Buildings I also have 30 large Spruce Trees and a Zillion smaller trees to give the right perspective well thats an update for now lets hope the new Videos do get Made Thanks for the listen . John <jde>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9862	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Who's Next?

Congratulations to the gentlemen that got Tom Stolte and his Oddball's Decals to leave the list. You've shown him what we are. You must be very proud. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9863	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2

In a message dated 10/16/00 6:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, abeachy@... writes: << Over the last 3 years I have spoken with Tom Macomas at York and asked him about the Fun and Thrill Part 2 video. Each time the answer was "we are editing it and will have it at the next York." Since I was not going to be at York this week I e-mailed them a few weeks ago with the same question and guess what the answer was; We are editing it and it will be out soon. If anyone will be at York this week you might bug them for me. >> I know Tom pretty well and bug him often about this. I did so again yesterday, and will do so again this week at York. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9864	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "Fun & Thrills" video

Hi everyone, I also really enjoy the "Fun & Thrills" video. Especially this time of year when i get back into the "train mood". I have been waiting several years since this one came out. Does anyone high up the "Flyer food chain" know when another "AF Video" will come out.? I agree with Rich on the point of not needing Perfect Layouts to shoot for a video. I just like to see layouts, and how people have built them. When I went to the NASG Convention in Denver, 3 or 4 years ago, i met Don Heimburger. Had a very interesting conversation with him about his magazine. I told him I really enjoy the part of his magazine where he features someones layout. He then told me, he is running short of layouts to photograph. This really surprised me, because I know for a fact that NO ONE in our Salt Lake City club has ever been contacted to have their layout photographed. Come to find out, his "quality level" for the magazine is WAY HIGH. Yes he expects layouts that looked like the AC Gilbert Store. Now there is the problem. There must be a few hundred AF Layouts across this great land, and only a handful are ever photographed because of the reason mentioned above. I will bet that the makers of the TM VIDEO feel the same way, and that is why we have NEVER SEEN A SINGLE AF VIDEO SINCE. I for one would buy a video of footage of 10 different partially completed layouts!!! Wayne (hungry for AF video's) Broadhead Golden Spike American Flyer Club Salt Lake City, Utah Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > I too, pop in this video in the old VCR when I need a Flyer > charge! And I would have to say that Bruce Manson's layout is more of > the type I enjoy. However I do agree with Neil T. that not much Flyer > was highlighted. Also, with a couple of the other layouts, there was > a repeat of the accessories, (coal loaders, Gabe, etc.). The first > layout shown had the Flyer circus trains running around but no > mention of them. I would have liked to see more on engines and > rolling stock. > But it is a great video! Although the back cover says, "No Lionel > here!", they did do a comparison of a Flyer operating milk car with a > Lionel one!! > When might they do a part 2 ???? I know,...don't hold my breath!! > I would buy a video full of shots from average layouts on up to the > super-duper ones!! It is fun to see different ideas with layouts. > I forgot to mention that quite a few minutes of video were eaten > up by showing off Manson's old toys and not just his layout. Sure > would be nice to have ALL that room he has!! > > Rick. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9865	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: New TM Guide

> > From: "Karl Raab" <Frilen@...> >Subject: Another TM Product > >My copy of the new American Flyer price guide by TM arrived on Friday. >Outstanding!!! >It's great to finally have a pocket guide with complete descriptions, >including variations. Their trends and desireability indicators are >a neat touch. I fully understand Dave Garrigues position re >pricing, but I am glad that price information was included. Dave >should be pleased that they got the "asking" prices RIGHT, not like >some other recently published guides. > >P.S. I also agree that a "Part 2" video on flyer is overdue..... I am also delighted with the new guide - I'm going to use it to re-inventory my collection. Combined with Paul Nelson's excellent book and the new book on sets, we now have great alternatives to Greenberg's. I'll have to get Dave G. to autograph my copy at our next club meeting! Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9866	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2

RB, thanks for bugging Tom about the Video....lets get this thing rolling.....come on now, 7 years is too long to wait for part II. Maybe someone else out there knows how to shoot profesional video camera footage, and can step in and give us something that is good. We have a guy in our club here in SLC, that is in management for a large VIDEO producer. He came to our local show a year ago with his HUGE video camera, and shot my L/Flyer Burlington Northern pulling a consist past some well decorated AF accessories on our club layout. The quality of the tape, and the closeups he shot were astounding!!! I am sure there are others out there that can do the same, and could make us a video. We need to be independent of the LIONEL Video folks at TM!! That's our problem with getting trains made!! AF is to much tied in with the L'yn folks....that goodness MTH has stepped up to the plate as is makeing AF accessories...and look at the response!!! It's fantastic......now let do the same for a VIDEO!! Wayne (still hungry and waiting for a video)Broadhead rbubeck327@... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/16/00 6:55:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, abeachy@... > writes: > > << Over the last 3 years I have spoken with Tom Macomas at York and asked him > about the Fun and Thrill Part 2 video. Each time the answer was "we are > editing it and will have it at the next York." Since I was not going to be > at York this week I e-mailed them a few weeks ago with the same question and > guess what the answer was; We are editing it and it will be out soon. > > If anyone will be at York this week you might bug them for me. >> > > I know Tom pretty well and bug him often about this. I did so again > yesterday, and will do so again this week at York. > > RB > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9867	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Another TM Product

Hi everyone, Can this new American Flyer price guide by TM, be bought thru AMAZON BOOKS? Wayne Karl Raab wrote: > > My copy of the new American Flyer price guide by TM arrived on Friday. > Outstanding!!! > It's great to finally have a pocket guide with complete descriptions, > including variations. Their trends and desireability indicators are > a neat touch. I fully understand Dave Garrigues position re > pricing, but I am glad that price information was included. Dave > should be pleased that they got the "asking" prices RIGHT, not like > some other recently published guides. > > P.S. I also agree that a "Part 2" video on flyer is overdue..... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9868	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: LTI Sound buttons

How much do these buttons cost? P/N 6-5906. I haven't purchased any before. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9869	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9................

Wayne Broadhead wrote: ((((Maybe someone else out there knows how to shoot professional video camera footage, and can step in and give us something that is good.)))) Heck,...I'd be happy just to see someone's home videos of their layout!! Maybe we could get everyone to video tape their own layouts and then find someone with the right equipment and put it all together! Quality wouldn't be all that great, but just the fact they were all home videos of their layouts to share with others. I, for fun, have shot some video of my small layout, and it didn't look all that bad! And I was hand holding the camera, using my tripod would be MUCH better! Hmmmm....maybe we could start somethin' here. Rick "Lights! Action! Roll 'em!" Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9870	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: group video project

Rick -- that is one of the best ideas to come along on this list in quite a while. Since it's your idea, maybe you should coordinate it. (ha ha) I don't have a video camera. Perhaps we could do the same thing with still photos. Just an open file in the S-list archives that everyone would add photos to. It is a gas to see what other guys do with trains. Tom jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9871	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video Part 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9................

Rick, I agree with you.....who care's if its that professional...Flyer guys just love the trains and want to see them run. I've got a video from the Pres of our club...obviously not professional....but he took it years ago when he lived in california...and its a blast to see the layouts in his club. Footage of the many old Flyer trains that aren't that common today, running like crazy around these guys layouts in california. WHat a trip back to yesteryear!! There needs to be more products out there for us S guage Flyer guys. I am glad that TM came out with this great new book on AF, and i just got a personal email from TM promising an AMERICAN FLYER VIDEO, by April 2001. Wayne Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > Wayne Broadhead wrote: > > ((((Maybe someone else out there knows how to shoot professional > video camera footage, and can step in and give us something that is > good.)))) > > Heck,...I'd be happy just to see someone's home videos of their > layout!! Maybe we could get everyone to video tape their own layouts > and then find someone with the right equipment and put it all > together! Quality wouldn't be all that great, but just the fact they > were all home videos of their layouts to share with others. > I, for fun, have shot some video of my small layout, and it didn't > look all that bad! And I was hand holding the camera, using my tripod > would be MUCH better! > Hmmmm....maybe we could start somethin' here. > > Rick "Lights! Action! Roll 'em!" Evans > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9872	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Price guide

Just got off the phone with TM and ordered the new American Flyer Price Guide. Thanks to those on the list today who sent me private email regarding the phone number of TM and the contents of the book. Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9873	From: Sheffield, Howard	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Layout photos

After seeing all the talk about the photography about layouts, I would like to add my 2 cents. As I am just getting back into my AF and doing some scale models, it is very educational to see any type of layouts done. It doesn't matter if it's black and white, motion pictures, or drawings. They are all helpful to someone. I hope that more people will put their pictures on line and include the site addresses to the e-groups. I also find that it is very helpful to have some commercial information on the groups to be able to find s-scale products to purchase. Remember that no all of us have been around to know where these sources are to be found. I understand that some of you want only chat here, but how else are we going to go forward and expand without access to sources for those who don't know the market. Howard Sheffield

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9874	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: AF for sale

I have three AF cars I would like to sell 1) PRR 24110 gondola molded on bottom PA9986 2) GRACE 5016 GULF tank car 925 on right end of side 3) GATT 24329 HOOKER tank car frame has AMERICA FLYER MFG. BY A C GIBLET CO NEW HAVEN COON Larry "Sheffield, Howard" wrote: > > After seeing all the talk about the photography about layouts, I would like > to add my 2 cents. As I am just getting back into my AF and doing some > scale models, it is very educational to see any type of layouts done. It > doesn't matter if it's black and white, motion pictures, or drawings. They > are all helpful to someone. I hope that more people will put their pictures > on line and include the site addresses to the e-groups. > I also find that it is very helpful to have some commercial information on > the groups to be able to find s-scale products to purchase. Remember that > no all of us have been around to know where these sources are to be found. > I understand that some of you want only chat here, but how else are we going > to go forward and expand without access to sources for those who don't know > the market. > Howard Sheffield > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9875	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: group video project

Tom, Since you don't have a video camera (I don't either) try this. Get several large rolls of film for your 35 mm camera. Now start at one end of your layout and move very slowly towards the other end. As you move, click the shutter very fast. When you run out of film on one roll, stop moving, reload film, and start moving again, taking pictures with the new roll. When you've completed photographing the layout, have the film developed and prints made. Now keeping the pictures in order, staple (or use other binding method) one edge of the stack together. Now hold the stack by the bound edge and with the thumb of the other hand, flip the pictures and watch the movie of your layout tour! (Wasn't this how Disney got started?) Sorry, couldn't resist! Just ate a bunch of E L Fudge cookies and am on a sugar buzz! Roger Petrella Franktown, CO jarcho@... wrote: > Rick -- that is one of the best ideas to come along on this list in quite a > while. Since it's your idea, maybe you should coordinate it. (ha ha) > > I don't have a video camera. Perhaps we could do the same thing with still > photos. Just an open file in the S-list archives that everyone would add > photos to. It is a gas to see what other guys do with trains. > > Tom jarcho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9876	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Fun and Thrills Video

Personally, I'd love to see any layouts, even those in construction stages. Would help with ideas when expanding or buildings a new layout. Besides, I just like watching trains (even HO and L). Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9877	From: Peck	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"

<Complaints have actually removed many of the postings on this list that I have enjoyed reading in the past. I think twice before mentioning eBay here, after several readers had a cow when I did it before. > I have to agree..............I've even held back some of my own postings lately because of negative responses about me or "my business practices". You try to do your best and get slapped in the face by an unseen "person" out there. It's so easy to be negative when you're not face-to-face ! Who needs it.....it just isn't worth it most of the time. I think it's a shame that Tom pulled out his announcements, but I definitely understand why he did so, and I sympathize! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9878	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"

DOUG, TOM, DON T. and any other person who is an S-guage dealer....don't even consider pulling out off this list....you go right ahead and mention any item you would like to sell....THATS PART OF THE REASON I ENJOY THIS LIST...i want to know what people have for sale...i want to see and hear about the new products available. Earlier today, there was a post by a new list member, he pleaded for more information from this list on S guage. I agree wholeheartedly. You may have noticed my comments earlier today about S guage Video, and how there is a real market out there...and NO ONE IS FILLING the NEED. The same is true with other products...so please let us know what you have. I would like to see people post individual AF items they have for sale. Hey, who's it going to hurt?? Lets continue the FUN of AF.....not make it a pain to spread the word, lets make this hobby a great one...and excitement is generated HERE, as you talk to people clear across this great land. Wayne Peck wrote: > > <Complaints have actually removed many of the postings on this list that > I have enjoyed reading in the past. I think twice before mentioning eBay > here, after several readers had a cow when I did it before. > > > I have to agree..............I've even held back some of my own postings > lately because of negative responses about me or "my business practices". > You try to do your best and get slapped in the face by an unseen "person" > out there. It's so easy to be negative when you're not face-to-face ! > Who needs it.....it just isn't worth it most of the time. > I think it's a shame that Tom pulled out his announcements, but I definitely > understand why he did so, and I sympathize! > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9879	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: spam

I think the rule of thumb on S-list should be, "Anything Goes". Anything remotely related to S gauge trains should be OK. We are too small a minority to be split into further units. No one is exploiting S gaugers, except possibly LTI, and no one is getting rich off us. Again we're just too small a group. Any brave soul who produces or sells S items should have all the exposure possible. Especially, anyone who is willing to make decals in S should, atrer the psychiatric tests are finished, be saluted, not harrassed. Today's delete buttons are very advanced and efficient. if you don't like a posting, use yours. But don't trash some person who it trying to provide goods or services to us. The way Tom Stolte was treated was disgraceful. Perhaps we could have a separate list for those who want to bicker, snipe, complain, and just generally bitch and moan and make the rest of us look bad. That would be a relief. Why not call it "S-Bitch"? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9880	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: spam

Tom, Great comments, tremendous!! You are right on the mark. Any S guage topic or item for sale should be allowed. Lets make this a fun list...all the time...I did not get in on the conversation about the Decals....hope this guy comes back that everyone is talking about. I love it when someone post items for sale. Every once in a while some guy who owns an AF store (can't remember his name now), will post his web address on this list...and i love to look at the stuff he has. I WISH THAT DOUG PECK WOULD POST A LIST OF FOR SALE FLYER TO THIS LIST, and anyone else who has Flyer for sale. All you have to do is put in the "subject" line "for sale", then any of the "bitchers" can just push the delete button, while the rest of us who want to have fun with this hobby--- CAN!! Wayne B jarcho@... wrote: > > I think the rule of thumb on S-list should be, "Anything Goes". Anything > remotely related to S gauge trains should be OK. We are too small a > minority to be split into further units. No one is exploiting S gaugers, > except possibly LTI, and no one is getting rich off us. Again we're just > too small a group. Any brave soul who produces or sells S items should > have all the exposure possible. Especially, anyone who is willing to make > decals in S should, atrer the psychiatric tests are finished, be saluted, > not harrassed. > > Today's delete buttons are very advanced and efficient. if you don't like > a posting, use yours. But don't trash some person who it trying to provide > goods or services to us. The way Tom Stolte was treated was disgraceful. > > Perhaps we could have a separate list for those who want to bicker, snipe, > complain, and just generally bitch and moan and make the rest of us look > bad. That would be a relief. Why not call it "S-Bitch"? > > Tom Jarcho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- ---------- Wayne Broadhead, wayne@... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=99486 '65 Corsa 140 coupe, '65 Corsa 180 convertible. wanted: '64 Spyder convertible, Rampside, Greenbriar, and '67 Chevelle SS427 Yenko special.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9881	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: spam

Wayne, i think that most of us feel this way, but don't say much about it. I think s-list should be a freewheeling no holds barred fun thing. i recently had a posting on the toy trains list censored or rather, it disappeared. That was not good. Some fool had urged that list to buy the new Lionel Boy Scout boxcar, on which the scouts get a royalty, because the Scouts are embattled. Well, i think that first, the Scouts' homophobic policies are disgusting and illegal, and they rightfully SHOULD be embattled, and second, if one side of the question got presented, the other side should be allowed also. In fact, I favor a boycott of Lionel if that car is actually produced. I don't think there is any way I could get that point of view onto the other list. Here, i can state my case, other people can rip me up one side and down the other, I can go back at them,and eventually the dust settles. Nobody dies. Everybody wins. We kinda go at it sometimes and things may get a little rough, but I am for openness and against censorship and limitations and so forth. That includes hairsplitting distinctions such as between commercial and non commercial postings. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9882	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Do & Don't on the S - Lists

I was sorry to hear that Tom was going to stop posting he product releases on the S lists. I hope he will reconsider. The reason I started the lists was to encourage a free exchange of 'S' related products and information. Here are some of my ideas on what is best for the list. 1) If you have a problem with another list member, send him a note or better yet send me a note. I may be in a better position to explain what is happening. The number of complaints I get will help me decide if this is a 'list problem' or someone not understanding what this list is all about. (I try really hard to be fair.) 2) If you have product announcement messages try to limit them to once a month. More than that can be seen as spamming. Breaking news on a product like, 'the shipment arrived today...' is always welcome. 3) Try and avoid BCC: when sending to a list, it makes folks think they have been added to a mailing list without there knowledge. I try to be 'Inclusive' and open to new ideas and viewpoints. I would prefer to keep as much of this 'stuff' off the list, if possible.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9883	From: starr007	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: regarding lawrence jacksons a. f. for sale

Lawrence, send me an email at home and give me a price as well as the condition of the cars you have for sale as I may be interested in purchasing them. My email at home is, starr007@... , Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9884	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: "spam"

All, Although I generally stay away from "me too" posts, I feel that it's necessary to weigh-in on the current topic. I'm on this list to learn about S-gauge mostly AF trains. (I'm interested in S-Scale, but generally can't keep up with the topics, so I do a "web-only" to that group.) I want to learn all I can about S and I want to know who offers what products in S. I would MUCH rather see a post or two from an S-Manufacturer than to see a bunch of gripes about those posts. AND I would rather not see a bunch of notes, like this very note I'm writing, concerning policy on the list. Tom, I have never bought anything from you, but someday I might. I've enjoyed seeing your notes, because it lets me know that there is blood in the S-veins. It takes no time for me to look, and delete if I'm not interested. I've done the same with BTS's notes, Peck's notes, Don's (Robin's?), etc. I like with the suggestion that all messages concerning products for sale be so marked, but I'm really not sure that's necessary. This list is SOooo low volume, that a few product announcements just won't do anything but help the hobby. Please Tom, reconsider. Please accept Paul Yorke's offer to assist with "complaints". (And that goes for the rest of us, too. Perhaps if we handle complainers off the list a pattern may arise. Certainly if Paul see's that there's a repeat dissenter, it may put a different light on the b_tching.) But in any event, I'd like to think that we should not censor and note or person if is indeed about S. (That's why I have trouble with notes like my own -- is this note really doing any good for the hobby?) For the love of S, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9885	From: jbs@misi.org	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: List Usage

I welcome any and all information related to the hobby including information from the vendors. This List is a great FREE service to all of us and i greatly appreciate it.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9886	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Home-made Videos

Hey, I like the idea of home-made videos. I would be glad to contribute some home-made video to a project. We could do something like limit any one contributor to 5 minutes of video. There would be lots of duplication as there are favorite accessories and engines. But who cares. Meantime, if someone wants to see still of my layout try http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html I'll try to remove any trains I have for sale off the page. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9887	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Fw: Test Post

Thanks Paul, I'm posting this now to see if it works. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yorke" <yorke@...> To: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Test Post > I noticed that your reply is "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> > and in egroups you are listed as busy-boy@... Sometimes computers > don't make these connections?? > You can add the long version to your e-groups account. > This is the only thing I see. > > busy-boy wrote: > > > I've not been able to post lately. > > I am sending this test as a check on my mail system. > > Thank you for your indulgence. > > Chris Zizzo >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9888	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Webpage

Thanks for your input; the lists of articles about S scale models and about prototype for S scale rolling stock is getting longer. My favorite new ones are "American Flyer cars in HO scale" and E&BT #6. See: http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/sartcles.html http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/ho-s-o/sprotos.html I also found my photos of "pike-size" schoolhouses and got them uploaded, http://www.trainweb.org/mhrr/mhrreast/photoscl.htm along with more MoW photos. Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9889	From: James Roberts	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: As Expected

Well, the new "L" catalog is out. They have a new Christmas Car in "S". that's it except that the the "Oil Drum Loader" is offered again and they admit that it is "Compatible with Lionel or American Flyer S-Gauge trains." [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9890	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Re: Home-made Videos

I too agree I would like to see footage of smaller layouts. My train room has only room for a 8'x7' layout table. Seeing the mega layouts is a thrill, but I think more people would be encouraged into getting into operating if they could see some smaller layouts in action. Before my return to American Flyer, I had HO and N gauge layouts. Sure they may have been more to scale and realistic, but not half the operating fun I have with American Flyer. I have packed lots of action and accessories into my small layout, and utilizing track trips, semaphores, etc I can run 3 trains on my mainline "automatically" while working the yard with my 343 switcher. I may have come up with some ideas others could benefit from, and I sure would like to do more to learn what others are doing. Maybe TM just needs more invites for filming different layouts?? If anyone sees Tom at York perhaps you can run the idea by him...or we could send TM Videos E-mails supporting the idea. Wayne and Alice Beachy wrote: > Hey, > > I like the idea of home-made videos. I would be glad to contribute some home-made video to a project. We could do something like limit any one contributor to 5 minutes of video. There would be lots of duplication as there are favorite accessories and engines. But who cares. > > Meantime, if someone wants to see still of my layout try http://www.homestead.com/waynestrains/index.html I'll try to remove any trains I have for sale off the page. > > Wayne Beachy > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > Virginia Central Division. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9891	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: Spam and other good things to digest

Tom, don't take your decal list off the list. I have never bought anything from you but I will. I have just taken two AF beater box cars down to the buff and am going to paint and decal them. Let the whiners whine and ignore them. Another bit of Spam is a rumor I heard that someone is soon going to offer a can motor no brainer conversion kit for Gilbert steam locos that includes a 4 amp rectifier for running on AC. The original motor is not damaged in any way and it has a complete easy to read instruction sheet for the do it yourself type. This is just rumor but I got it from the horses mouth....Seems I was told it was under $50 too Steve Blackburn...TCA...NASG....RHMR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9892	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/16/2000
Subject: small Af transf. safety

Guys, I just right now discovered something interesting and important about the smaller AF 40 and 50 watt transformers with plastic cases from the late '50's. The unit I found it on was a #1A 40 watt transformer w/o circuit breaker, but I believe it may apply to any of these units. This transformer was mine when I was a kid. The tip of the handle was broken off, so it could go farther to the left than it was supposed to. Two small posts cast into the transformer's plastic case are supposed to stop the handle at either end of its travel so that it doesn't go too far. Since the pointer end of the handle was broken off, the posts no longer stopped the handle. it could be turned to the left so far that the slider touched one of the solder joints where the power cord is connected to the transformer coil. Thus, the variable voltage post was DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE CURRENT!!! Boy, am I glad I opened up this unit before I tried to use it. This is a dangerous condition. The logical extension of this its that if any transformer handle on any Flyer transformer travels farther than it was meant to, the transformer should be opened up and carefully inspected to ensure that the slider cannot contact the power cord joints. I would like to add that the circuit breakers on the plastic case 50 watt AF transformers are not very good. I was able to adjust mine by bending the metal strips slightly so that they work to some extent, but they are nowhere near as sensitive as the circuit breakers in the larger units. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9893	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: "Camera! Lights! Action!"

First off,....Tom and Roger DON'T have video cameras????? Ok, well at least they have a computer!! :-) I would be interested in finding out about video tape dubbing. It could be done at home with a couple of VCRs, but quality is usually lost when dubbing without good equipment. I might just have to start asking around! Also, for those who don't have video cameras, you must know someone with a camera that with a little bribing could shoot some video for ya. I have mentioned probably many times on this list and at chat, that my layout is out in the garage on a 4x8 piece of plywood with a 8" board barely tacked on one end! All my wires for lights in the buildings are exposed, the board isn't even painted, you all would have a good laugh if you saw it!! But, it's only temporary (that's my excuse!). I'm hoping to build a larger layout with some REAL bench work! Oh, forgot to mention that one end of the board rests on my workbench,..the other on a box and an old speaker cabinet atop an old coffee table that needs to be sold at a yard sale! See, I told you that you would laugh!! Well at least it's thick plywood and it doesn't sag!! But to make a long story short, (TO LATE!), with my buildings and vehicles and all the little people, and of course, my Flyer,....it is a pretty fun little layout. And would be fun to share with others by pictures on this list or in a video. I must say the "Fun & Thrills" tape (and some spam), certainly stirred up some action on the list! Keep yer rails clean! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9894	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: "Camera! Lights! Action!"

I don't know how my last post came out for the folks at home, but for those who go to the site like myself, I apologize for not wrapping the words!!! Sorry to all!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9895	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Oooppss

Oops, after I uploaded the revised lists of S articles last nite, I found several e-mails of info that I had not added. I just uploaded those additions. I KNOW that there are S articles that were discussed in these e-lists 1-2 years ago that are not included in my list. Whoever knows about these, please send me a note. Thanks, Ted Larson ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9896	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: SPAM, VIDEOS, ETC.

> DOUG, TOM, DON T. and any other > person who is an S-guage dealer....don't > even consider pulling out off this list....you > go right ahead and mention any item you > would like to sell....THATS PART OF THE > REASON I ENJOY THIS LIST...i want to > know what people have for sale...i want > to see and hear about the new products available. Half of yesterday's list was about videos which didn't exist in AC Gilbert's day. Spam and decals did. Who is writing rules for this list that is trying to exclude S Gauge material? That's the rule, S material. Keep posting anything S Gauge and let the narrow minded leave. I have had my share of attacks and I still enjoy this group for better or worse. There are some AF pics on this site: http://www.geocities.com/glenn_ritter/Family.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn NASG secretary.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9897	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Hi, I'm back

Hi gang: All my posts have been disappearing down a dark hole somewhere because of a minor change in my official e-mail address. MSN uploads something to me on automatic and suddenly, everything's different. Thanks to Paul Y. for spotting the problem. Larry Jackman wrote something really funny and very appropriate to the season and nobody picked up on it. He has some trains for sale, but they must be real turkeys!! >I have three AF cars I would like to sell >1) PRR 24110 gondola molded on bottom PA9986 >2) GRACE 5016 GULF tank car 925 on right end of side >3) GATT 24329 HOOKER tank car frame has AMERICA FLYER MFG. BY A C GIBLET CO NEW HAVEN COON What would you use for smoke fluid . . . gravy? Sorry Larry, I'm sure your trains are really nice. There's just something funny about giblets! And I'm not even gonna go near that New Haven Coon thing! Two to go, with stuffing, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9898	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Decals and Oddballs

The nonsense surrounding the posts by Tom Stolte and his decals has got to stop. I find that some people who post to this list do so in a thoughtful and well considered fashion, carefully choosing their words for meaning and impact. Then there are some who make emotional, knee-jerk responses to half read posts with no regard for truth or the facts. Clearly, Tom's decal enterprise is commercial, that is, intended for profit making. We have indeed said that we don't want people making a totally commercial enterprise out of our list. To that end, Tom Stolte moved his posts to a new egroups list and simply reminds us occasionally that he has some new stuff available if we want to look. Tom also posts other info to the lists as a cross post to his own list and to others as well. Apparently, since he primarily uses the "Oddballs" list as the main address and simply cc's everyone else, his posts come addressed to "Oddballdecals@egroups". I have watched with little amusement the endless harangue brought against this man for this practice. "I don't understand why this has to be addressed to Oddballs . . . I never subscribed to THAT!" All of this nonsense was based on the writer being: A.) Unaware of the machinations of the e-mail process, B.) Insensitive to the needs and desires of everyone else on the list, including Tom Stolte, and C.) Totally caught up in some minor insignificant point and determined to hammer it to death. Here's the big picture: When you are building your next little project, you are going to need decals. Tom is a good guy to have around. If you don't need decals right now, skip the post from Tom and read something else. Don't pay attention to the headers in your e-mail if you don't know how it works in the first place. If you want to know why something is happening, ask somebody who knows more than you do, BEFORE you start complaining like an old washerwoman. Put some thought into your posts. This isn't a note you're tacking to the refrigerator. You are publishing to the Internet. Here's the little picture: The complainers, the whiners, the dolts whose mouths are open but whose brains are closed, have won again. Tom Stolte will no longer post to this list. Congratulations. Now you can move on to the next really important pet peeve you need to eliminate. Talk about Oddballs! Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9899	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: TCA

Joe: TCA is mostly about O gauge for some of the readily apparent reasons that have already been discussed. If you join TCA, you will find that the minority S gaugers comprise a sizable group. I'm kind of glad that I'm not an O gauger when I'm at York because I wouldn't know where to look first! Still, as a perfect scaler, I still need 2 days to get around that fairground. As far as marketing strategies are concerned, I think you might be right as far as a corporation is concerned. If Lionel, for instance, wanted to corner the market in S gauge, they certainly would need more product and more support products. But TCA is a hobbiest association. As was pointed out in one of the other posts responding to you, the members form largely unpaid volunteer committees who slug away at producing what they want to have, using TCA as the foundation. Anyone who wants to build the S gauge world up within the structure of TCA certainly can. Maybe you need to join. Maybe you have more of a contribution to make than you know. Some of us do occasionally refer to the group as the "LCA", but it's still a great group at the center of this hobby. You could make it even better. Join up and see. If nothing else, you'll be invited to York! What more incentive do you need? Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9900	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Hi, I'm back

That is what happens when you do not proof read. Larry busy-boy wrote: > > Hi gang: > All my posts have been disappearing down a dark hole somewhere because of a > minor change in my official e-mail address. MSN uploads something to me on > automatic and suddenly, everything's different. Thanks to Paul Y. for > spotting the problem. > > Larry Jackman wrote something really funny and very appropriate to the > season and nobody picked up on it. He has some trains for sale, but they > must be real turkeys!! > > >I have three AF cars I would like to sell > >1) PRR 24110 gondola molded on bottom PA9986 > >2) GRACE 5016 GULF tank car 925 on right end of side > >3) GATT 24329 HOOKER tank car frame has > AMERICA FLYER > MFG. BY > A C GIBLET CO > NEW HAVEN COON > > What would you use for smoke fluid . . . gravy? > > Sorry Larry, I'm sure your trains are really nice. There's just something > funny about giblets! And I'm not even gonna go near that New Haven Coon > thing! > > Two to go, with stuffing, > Chris Zizzo > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9901	From: David R. Golden	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Bickering

Hi everyone! I joined this list about six months ago. At that time I was only on it for about a month and unsubscribed because of all the bickering going on. I joined again a few weeks ago, and I see nothing has changed much. I thought this list was to exchange information about S- Gauge. I am trying to get back into running my AF trains and could use information about products and layouts to keep me on the right track. If someone has a problem with a particular posting, JUST DON’T READ IT! Switch to digest mode, or whatever. I don’t think the list can afford to be so exclusive. I am looking for information and tips, not arguments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9902	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: "Camera! Lights! Action!"

While we are on the subject of 'home video', which I think would be really cool, I have (somewhere, maybe even at my parents place) a hme movie of one of my high school winter layouts. Unfortunatlye this "normal 8" movie was run through one of those 'regular 8-super 8' projectors when it was set to 'super 8' so the sprokets in the film are messed up. Does anyone have an idea how I might get this duped? One thought I've had, but haven't tried yet is to find a Bell & Howell projector and see if it can play it (they have one of the best, if not the best film handling systems). Now, if it get an answer, I'll have to find the film! I haven't seen it for at least 15 years, so it IS buried! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9903	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Spam & other related items

Hi All, I have waited a bit to post regarding this 'issue' which saddens me, and apparently many others. What started out (from what I can remember) as a simple mis-understanding by one member who didn't realize Tom's decals are made in S, as well as the other 'minor scales' (Like HO, etc.), rapidly developed into a 'flame war' (or if not a war, at least a nagging drawn-out debate). As unique as S is, are its members, some who only want stuff detailed for the Egyptian & Crab Tree Orchard RR, or only 'proto 64' as their interpretation of the S world. It is this exclusivity and (in my humble opinion) narrow-focusedness that actually hurts the S movement. It has already lead us down the path to having two lists--and yet, as has been pointed out, there are real life get-togethers where everyone talks and looks and admires each one's 'stuff' Proto 64 to Tinplate (NO!! Surely you jest!!--well, it was reported on these lists, Paul Y was there too!---wish I'd been, but a few thousand miles prevented it). Now the only reason I think this is important enough to post this, and occupy your time and computer space is that we need to WAKE UP!! People are making S products, in spite of the negative responses they get--both from S people and other manufactures who often just laugh at them for their 'folly'. You want to support S?? Well then stop putting down what is being offered. Just because you or I don't understand who would WANT item xyz, apparently someone else does (and if no one really does want it, well then it will go away of its own nature--unless the government decides to subsidize it <JOKE, it's just a joke> ). Knocking stuff because it isn't exactly what you want will not attract others into the world of S. Isn't it time we start celebrating what we have in common and stop trying to split everything into finite sub-groups? Just sign me, An S'aholic David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9904	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Bickering

David Welcome back. If you post a question, usually you'll get all sorts of tips and suggestions. Hopefully we'll get beyond this latest spat, until a new one comes along! <G> meantime, I'm getting a large motor engine in soon that keeps smoking armatures. I'll let ya'all know what I find when I finds it! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9905	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Decals and Oddballs

"busy-boy" wrote: ((((When you are building your next little project, you are going to need decals. Tom is a good guy to have around. If you don't need decals right now, skip the post from Tom and read something else.)))) I am reminded of a local commercial about a bails bondsman. At the end of the commercial, the announcer states, "It is better to KNOW us and not NEED us, then to NEED us and not KNOW us!!" Hmmmmmmm....... Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9906	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: kindness and tolerance goes a long way on S Trains

Thank you Rick for your excellent comment. There is something to be said for tolerance and kindness in our conversations with one another, yes even on a list, where we don't even see each other's faces. We all love trains...especially American Flyer.....but i also enjoy S Helpers products, and AM, and yes even an excellent scratch home made product with DECALS (oh, man i siid that 6 letter word!) Let us be kind, condsiderate....AND LETS HAVE BLAST WITH THIS HOBBY OF OURS!! AMERICAN FLYER TRAINS RULE!!! Wayne B (yes the Video guy) <big grin> Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > "busy-boy" wrote: > ((((When you are building your next little project, you are going to > need decals. Tom is a good guy to have around. If you don't need > decals right now, skip the post from Tom and read something else.)))) > > I am reminded of a local commercial about a bails bondsman. At the > end of the commercial, the announcer states, "It is better to KNOW us > and not NEED us, then to NEED us and not KNOW us!!" > Hmmmmmmm....... > > Rick. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9907	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: My Layout EXperience

Enjoy the posts about layouts. I had a hard time at first because all I had were the diagrams from the old Gilbert catalogs. Have no basement now so I was forced into the garage. Built a nice 9X5 in one back corner with a 2X8 staging yard running down one side. After it was all together found it was too difficult to reach back corners when derailing, or to work on. Ripped it out this past month. Instead I have a 6X5 in the same corner with the staging yard but ran a 26" deep mainline all the way accross the back of the garage to a 5X5 opposite corner unit. I now have three trains running down six mainline tracks going into three loops at each end and had room left for a 15 foot siding off one main line. I'll have a couple of sidings on the two tables and will operate accessories there if I buy some instead of buying engines and rolling stock. I wish nore info had been available as I had to do this by laying out original flyer track on the floor, then measure space needed. My only real problem is I am a half-assed carpenter and found it difficult to connect four structures and maitain level and even grades. Also Home-Depot semi curved 2X4s didn't help. I have to admit there was a great reward in doing this myself but still appreciate all the help from this list. This is not only the perfect scale it has the best group of guys (and some gals) than any other scale. PS Still have room for two cars, one compact and one mid-size.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9908	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Bickering

Don't give up! There will be valuable info. often enough to make it worthwhile to skip over the bickering. Notice Ted Larson's posts today about a website that offers hints on stuff from other scales that's useful in S. "David R. Golden" wrote: > > Hi everyone! I joined this list about six months ago. At that time I was > only on it for about a month and unsubscribed because of all the bickering > going on. I joined again a few weeks ago, and I see nothing has changed > much. I thought this list was to exchange information about S- Gauge. I am > trying to get back into running my AF trains and could use information about > products and layouts to keep me on the right track. If someone has a problem > with a particular posting, JUST DON’T READ IT! Switch to digest mode, or > whatever. I don’t think the list can afford to be so exclusive. I am looking > for information and tips, not arguments. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9909	From: joan cunningham	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Accessory Bars

On my AF layout I have 8 accessory bars set up for various .action cars. When I put down the throttle to run an engine all the access.. bars are hot. I had them hooked up to a button to use when I wanted the bar active. I then unhooked the access.. button from the transformer and the bars are still active. Even the dead ends from the switches where there is suppose to be no power the access.. bars are still active and will cause the train to start moving. I can't figure out what's going on. Any ideas on what might be the problem? Thanks Steve Footer [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9910	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: track planning

Joe: here's how I work out difficult track configurations. I traced out three curved track sections w. rubber roadbed. four sections of straight track w rubber roadbed, and a switch with the beginnings of track sections at all three ends, onto pieces of paper. Took them down to the local copy shop, had copies made on the stiffest card stock they had. Cut them out with a pair of good scissors. Made a few half tracks too. Now I just lay these babies out on the floor or whatever when I need to work out a track problem. it's MUCH easier than using actual track. If you don't use roadbed, just take the track itself to the copy shop and photocopy that upside down. The guy behind the counter will think you're nuts, but that's fun too. if you photocopy a right handed switch, when you turn the photocopy upside down it's a left handed switch. You need to show a little track attached to the switches as a guide to line them up properly. Just an inch or so is enough. If building bench work is a problem for you, there's a company that makes that stuff that advertizes in Model Railroader. All you have to do is screw it together. They send you a kit of paper templates and you use it to work out what you need. They have a good reputation. I can get you the address tonight if you need it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9911	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Keep your rails clean!

Hi, Chris Zizzo here with a few words for my favorite company, Caig Laboratories. No, I am not a paid shill, nor do I own any Caig stock. No, all my investments are safely tucked away in technology and internet stocks that lose more money every day than I can make working like a dog. No, I'm just here with a special offer to get you to spend just Ten Dollars, that's right, a measly 10 Bucks to change your little railroad forever! If you've been a regular on S-Trains and on the TCA list, you've heard me tooting for Cramolin Paste, an electrical contact improver that is absolutely remarkable. It is used by real railroads and other heavy industrial electric applications to reduce sparking and divert more amps to moving contact points, lengthening contact life and greatly increasing performance. I have had ONE can of the stuff since 1961. It is about 3/4's full, and I use it on everything now. (Okay, never on bread. You'll want peanut butter for that.) My tracks get wiped with it. Reverse unit drums and fingers, all pushbutton and lever contacts, all transformer wipers benefit from a vapor thin application. Cramolin Paste is now called CaiLube. Caig makes cleaners and de-oxidizers to go with it. As often as I hype this stuff, nobody seems to know where to go buy it. Now you have NO excuse. Go to: http://www.caig.com/2c-special.htm Yes folks, it's a special, limited time offer! For $9.95 you get 6 sample tubes of each product so you can get as hooked as I am! Do it. Buy this stuff on-line and you can save your Wahl clipper oil for it's intended use, to lubricate your Wahl clipper! I have tried Wahl's oil as advocated by many of this list's contributors. It does help keep the sparking down for a while, but it is nowhere near as good at reducing voltage drops as Cailube. Go to: http://www.caig.com/2c-special.htm and read all about it. Gamble the 10 bucks. Believe me, it's really no gamble at all. Wait till you see how much cooler your motors will run when brushes contact a treated commutator. At a truly "vapor thin" application rate, even these 2ml tubes will last you for a long time. Did I mention http://www.caig.com/2c-special.htm ? Oh, yeah. Commercial over. Two to go, (marked down to 1.99) Chris Zizzo P.S.: I don't mean to swamp the list with posts, but everything I posted over the last few days never made it, so this is a little bit of catch-up. If this is of interest to you, ENJOY! If this is so unbearable to look at that your head might explode, DELETE! See how easy that was? More stuff follows. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9912	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Keep your rails clean!

Two more things on the CaiLube deal, three really: Copy the specials number (right click, copy) so that you can use it in the order page search bar. It is SP-K2C . Or just type "Special" into the search. That worked for me. Second, they have a flat rate shipping fee. If you order ten cartons or just one item, it's $7.50. Bummer. I just wrote them about it and asked them to lower the shipping $ on single item introductory samples. It is probably an oversight as they are geared for volume sales and $7.50 would mean nothing to a retailer ordering a thousand dollars or more worth of products. Third, go look at this page also. It gives even more detailed info on products that are good for our applications. http://www.caig.com/new.htm . Hold off on ordering until I get an answer on the shipping thing. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9913	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Keep your rails clean!

Here is the reply I received from Caig Labs. From: "Diane James" <dhj@...> To: <busy-boy@...> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: CAIG's S/h Cost > Dear Christopher: > > Thank you for your continued interest in our products. I can understand your > reaction to our $7.50 shipping/handling fee. When ordering just 1 sample kit > (SP-K2C), it does seem high. > > The reason for the $7.50 s/h is to compensate for the NO minimum order > requirement that we normally charge. If one orders more product, the $7.50 > becomes very reasonable. Most companies charge by weight or dollar amount. > > Please let your fellow hobbyists know we have distributors world-wide. A list > of some of our distributors can be found on our web site under links. To check > if there is a local distributor, call us at 800-224-4123. Our customer service > department can provide you with a list of local distributors. Or, you and your > fellow hobbyists can contact retailers such as Tower Hobbies. We are always > looking for new distributors. > > Please e-mail me your mailing address. I will enter you in our data base so > you'll be updated on new products, etc. > > Should you have any questions, or comments, please don't hesitate to contact me. > > Sincerely, > Diane James > Sales/Markting > CAIG Laboratories, Inc. I guess we could save some money if one of us orders several and sends them out. If any of you are interested in that deal, I could anchor it. Let me know what you think. Two to go, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9914	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: accessory bars

Steve: You don't say whether all your bars are hooked up to one button or wired separately. Nevertheless, there are many possible causes . In order from most likely to least likely, here are some: 1.You have made a mistake in your wiring This is easy to do and hard to detect. Or two wires with bare spots could be touching each other, or a wire with a bare spot could be touching a rail. 2. One of the bars could be touching a rail, or something metal under one of them could be serving as an electrical bridge from a clip to the bar. Since the clips touch the rail, this would connect the bar to the rail. If all the bars are wired together, one bad bar could power them all. 3. You could have a defective button that is on all the time. Or,, if you are using a button that originally had 4 wires, you could be using the wrong wire out of it. Not all buttons are the same. The earliest production ones are wired differently. Also, in the buttons with clips, it's easy for one wire to touch both clips. if this happens, the bar wil be on all the time. 4. The transformer you are using could be wired incorrectly internally. This is the least likely. if you have access to another transformer, try connecting it temporarily and see if the problem goes away. I would check each wire, button and bar one more time. If the problem is not found, I would then disconnect all wires, test each bar for continuity with both rails, test each button, and then rewire all of them using new wire and making each connection neat and solid. Twist the ends of stranded wire so that no loose strands are free to make trouble. All the bars should be connected through buttons to the fixed voltage post, as you know. If none of these suggestions help, you can then tear out your hair. I can't do this -- don't have enough hair. Other people on this list will have helpful ideas too. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9915	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Tuesday night chat

Anyone up for a chat? Tuesday Night 6:30 pm EST? -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9916	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: Accessory Bars

Hard to tell from what you describe, but it sounds like you've possibly crossed base post or the variable voltage post with the accessory strips. The base post must be the rail that the metal wheels on action cars ride on. The accessory strip should carry the fixed 15V from the transformer. The other rail carries the 7-15V output. You've got something violating that. joan cunningham wrote: > > On my AF layout I have 8 accessory bars set up for various .action cars. When I put down the throttle to run an engine all the access.. bars are hot. I had them hooked up to a button to use when I wanted the bar active. I then unhooked the access.. button from the transformer and the bars are still active. Even the dead ends from the switches where there is suppose to be no power the access.. bars are still active and will cause the train to start moving. I can't figure out what's going on. Any ideas on what might be the problem? > Thanks > Steve Footer > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9917	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: My Layout EXperience

Joe, You PARK CARS in your garage??? I don't understand, this isn't what they're meant for according to the guidebook. . . . . S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9918	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: New TM Guide

I picked up my copy of Garrigues new TM AF Guide at last week's GATS meet in Wheaton. As luck would have it, Dave was standing at the the TM table, and I asked if he'd autograph my copy. "I'd rather not" was his reply. I said, "You're kidding?" Dave replied, "No, I'm totally disgusted with it", and he walked away. Now I've spoken with Dave many, many times over the last 10 years and he's always been more than willing to share his vast knowledge of AF, so I was kind of stunned. If you've ever talked to Dave you'd know that he's not shy about expressing his opinions (don't mention "Greenberg" around him). So,I looked at the TM guy who kind of sheepishly shrugged and held up his hands. The guy tells me that Dave is extemely upset at the book's cover. It was supposed to be all blue with the traditional yellow AF logo, but Garrigues thinks it now reminds him of a RailKing catalog! How do you like that! Cover aside, this is a great improvement over the 2001 Greenberg guide, even if it's twice the price. For the past 3 or 4 years I've been one of the guys that Kalmbach asks to review prices for the new Guide. They never ask to have each item reviewed, only the one's they select. I've always ignored this and submitted corrections/revisions of any item that I thought needed changing or needed to be added. Yet each year my suggestions have been largely ignored, and the same errors persist year after year. In fact if you compare a new Greenburg edition to the past one, you'll find less than two handfulls of changes. Kalmbach doesn't seem to care much about accuracy, especially since they had a monopoly on AF Guides until this year. Bottom line: go for the new TM AF Guide. At least it's based in reality. Steve Gruninger --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, Roy Plotnick <plotnick@u...> wrote: > > > > > From: "Karl Raab" <Frilen@a...> > >Subject: Another TM Product > > > >My copy of the new American Flyer price guide by TM arrived on Friday. > >Outstanding!!! > >It's great to finally have a pocket guide with complete descriptions, > >including variations. Their trends and desireability indicators are > >a neat touch. I fully understand Dave Garrigues position re > >pricing, but I am glad that price information was included. Dave > >should be pleased that they got the "asking" prices RIGHT, not like > >some other recently published guides. > > > >P.S. I also agree that a "Part 2" video on flyer is overdue..... > I am also delighted with the new guide - I'm going to use it to > re-inventory my collection. Combined with Paul Nelson's excellent book and > the new book on sets, we now have great alternatives to > Greenberg's. I'll have to get Dave G. to autograph my copy at our next > club meeting! > Roy E. Plotnick > Professor > Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences > University of Illinois at Chicago > 845 W. Taylor St. > Chicago, IL 60607 > plotnick@u... > office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 > lab phone: 312-355-1342 > web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm > "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and > glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to > oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May > Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9919	From: Tom Young	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Caig Laboratories

Hi, Chris Zizzo here with a few words for my favorite company, Caig Laboratories. Jeez Chris, that was good. Have you ever done any info-mercials? I think I would have bought that car wax that saves the paint on the hood of your car from burning when your barbecueing on it if you gave a sales pitch like this one for it. <G> I just ordered the sample pack. Looks like a good product and I know your just letting your fellow S-Gaugers in on a good thing. Anything to make my trains run their best. Thanks for the link, Tom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9920	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Home video of layouts

In the fall of 1998 I attended S-Fest west with several of our local club members. It was held in Coeur d' alene Idaho. We got to tour several layouts in the area which included Spokane Wash. I have video of Ernie Horrs Tin Plate Rd. layout (Ernie now deceased) and Jess Bennetts fabulous S-scale layout, The Great Northern Pacific. It all totals about an hour and I would be glad to share it with anyone that wants to pay for a quality tape and the postage. I loaned it to one of this lists members about a yr. ago and he thought it was great. Don't remember who it was but he lived in Calif. It's all hand held but the equipment was quality and it is pretty good video. Narrated by yours truly along with background sounds. Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9921	From: Peck	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT

If interested in repro Hudson valve linkage, contact us off-list. Brand new item, just released. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9922	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

575 BCAX 2 bay ACF centerflow 2980 cuft. (4-73) Car is painted light grey. Front Range kit. Set will letter 1 car. Has large Blue Circle Cement blue & yellow logo. Black lettering. 576 FLIX 3 bay ACF centerflow. (10-80) Car is painted light grey. Accurail kit. Set will letter 1 car. Has 3 color red, white & blue COOP logo. Black lettering. 577 FLIX 18 rib covered hopper. (9-78) Car is painted light grey. Intermountain kit. Set will letter 1 car. Has 3 color red, white & blue COOP logo. Black lettering. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9923	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/17/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

Hurrah you are still here Larry Tom Stolte wrote: > > 575 BCAX 2 bay ACF centerflow 2980 cuft. (4-73) Car is painted light

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9924	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Four season layout!

I had made a comment just a short time ago about putting up a layout in the living room starting in Fall (Hey Paul,...have you found me a Halloween tree yet???) and that way one could have a layout for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and then slowly slide into the Christmas layout. Well it looks like the new issue of CTT's will have an article on a "Four Season Layout". Haven't received my issue as of yet, but was checking out their web-site. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9925	From: rxman46321@aol.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 787

Thanks for coming back Tom. John Griffin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9926	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: Home video of layouts

STEVE BLACKBURN, I would like one of your video's of American Flyer in Washington. Post me off the list with the price please. Thank you for thinking of us on the List who would like to see some AF trains in "running mode". <grin> Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF Club boss31@... wrote: > > In the fall of 1998 I attended S-Fest west with several of our local club > members. It was held in Coeur d' alene Idaho. We got to tour several layouts > in the area which included Spokane Wash. I have video of Ernie Horrs Tin > Plate Rd. layout (Ernie now deceased) and Jess Bennetts fabulous > S-scale layout, The Great Northern Pacific. It all totals about an hour and > I would be glad to share it with anyone that wants to pay for a quality tape > and the postage. I loaned it to one of this lists members about a yr. ago and > he thought it was great. Don't remember who it was but he lived in Calif. > It's all hand held but the equipment was quality and it is pretty good video. > Narrated by yours truly along with background sounds. > > Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR > Boise, Idaho >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9927	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Thanks for staying

Thanks for sticking with us! >Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:52:36 -0500 > From: Tom Stolte <oddballdecal@...> >Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale > > >575 BCAX 2 bay ACF centerflow 2980 cuft. (4-73) Car is painted light

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9928	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Decals

I'd like to add my support to the Decal Man coming back to the group. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9929	From: Ted Larson	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper

> I saw the note about Industrial Rails covered hopper. > Can someone direct me to a web site or some such for this. > The review said it was the same size as an American Models CD hopper. > How does it compare detail wise? Chris Zizzo and Jeff Madden supplied the review comments on this model. Chris and Jeff, can you provide more info on the size and DETAIL? Can you post your replies to both lists? ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9930	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Bill Jackson.....?

Dear S-Group, I had just heard an unfortunate rumor......Does anyone know the health of a Mr.Bill Jackson.....of Watchung,N.J. He was feeling ill and I would like to know how he's doing.Mr.Jackson is world know for his knowledge of American Flyer.Please let me know or post any information about this. "S"incerely..Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9931	From: Paul D. Schneider	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: video review & SHS products

Did anyone notice a review of Kalmbach's TRAINS ON LOCATION videos in a recent issue of S GUAGIAN? Someone told me the Moffat Line show got a positive review. Forgive me for sounding self-centered, but I'm interested because I produce the shows for TRAINS. What's more, as an avowed Flyer guy, I make a point of slipping an American Flyer reference into our videos (I think I compare the tunnel scenery at Cliff, Colorado in the Moffat Line show to "something that looks like it belongs on an American Flyer layout" or whatever. Second, I've been off-list for a few months, buried in the production of several TRAINS and CLASSIC TRAINS videos. As a friend and I were running the California Zephyr (with AF/LTI Western Pacific PAs) on our club layout last night, he asked me what happened to: a) SHS's F3s and b) SHS's turnouts Not to be clueless, but have these items arrived stateside yet? Thanks. Paul Schneider writer/producer TRAINS/CLASSIC TRAINS videos Milwaukee, WI __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9932	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Re: video review

"Paul D. Schneider" wrote (((((because I produce the shows for TRAINS. What's more, as an avowed Flyer guy....))))) Hmmmmm.......Say Paul, did you happen to catch all the posts about all us Flyer guys that are hungary for some new videos on Flyer layouts??? Even talked about home videos collected and dubbed together to show off layouts of all sizes, no matter how big or small. If we could just find someone to produce these.....hmmmmmmm.... Rick :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9933	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: converted track cleaner

I've left the sect of "oilers". I used to use Wahl's Clipper Oil to clean my rails, and for awhile found it helpful, especially to reduce sparking from tenders without pick-up feet. However, frankly rails seemed to gunk up sooner than I expected, and metal-wheeled engines did find it harder to pull their loads. I'm back to the best all-round cleaner - - 90% pure isopropyl alcohol. Used with a small cotton cloth (patch of old undershirt works great), it dissolves any gunk, dries fast and clean (no residue) leaving rails shiny and bright. I have a Bright Boy, but frankly can't stand the thought of getting anything with grit in it even near my trains, so it stays far away in a tool box. Given the fact sand, hair, and lint are sure death for these small mechanical wonders I find it amazing how many think nothing of using a gritty eraser on their tracks. I suppose if you ShopVac up afterward that reduces the chance of residual pumice lying around. In the case of corroded/oxidized/rusted track, I prefer to first get the worst off with 3M green scratchy pad moistened with WD-40 or CRC 5-56. Then, you guessed it, a good wipe down with alcohol on a cotton cloth. Whereas it's been written that the use of oil is 'nonsensical' (and now I'd have to agree) allow me to add that it takes a nitwit to use grit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9934	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Welcome Back

Doug and Tom, welcome back. We need you here. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9935	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Display Case

Anyone on the list got any feedback for Laura? I suspect she 'trains', instead of 'layout', but thats just my guess. Subject: S-gaugian train display case Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:51:45 -0400 From: "Laura Frailey" <lauraf@...> To: <yorke@...> Hi Mr. Yorke I am a vocational rehabilitation counselor working for the Veteran's administration. I have an disabled veteran who lives in a group home who enjoys S-gaugian trains. He likes to tinker with them and likes to display them, however he needs to have a display case so he can protect his layout. What do you recommend for a display case. This case has to be easily accessible. I appreciate your help. Laura Frailey MRC, CRC VoCare Services, Inc. P. O. Box 8904 Toledo, OH 43623 (734) 854-1404/ Fax (734) 854-5214 -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9936	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Ringling Barnum Train on the move

Hi There (for train spotters), This reports the EB movement on UP mainline of the Ringling-Barnum Circus train from Mississippi River Valley Tuesday Night. Some say destination Florida for the winter? Don't know. JohnR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9937	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: BOYS RAILROAD CLUB CERTIFICATES

Greetings: Does anyone know where I might find and original or copy of a BOY'S RAILROAD CLUB CERTIFICATE?? These were issued by Gilbert in the early 1950's if you had formed an "official" American Flyer Boys Railroad Club. Michael Christensen

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9938	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 10/18/2000
Subject: Thanks

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for your kind replies to me today. I will continual to post to the list of new decal releases. Do what I always do, if you don't like what you see, just delete the message. As I also belong to 20 lists on egroups. Some messages have interest, some don't. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9939	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: video review & SHS products

Paul Schneider wrote: > Second, I've been off-list for a few months, buried in > the production of several TRAINS and CLASSIC TRAINS > videos. As a friend and I were running the California > Zephyr (with AF/LTI Western Pacific PAs) on our club > layout last night, he asked me what happened to: > > a) SHS's F3s and > b) SHS's turnouts Don Thompson would be a better person to answer, but he may be tied up with preparations for going to the RICHTA show in Chicago. However, the F3's and turnouts are getting closer. I saw test shots for the turnouts at Scenery Unlimited two weeks ago and an F3 test shot at DesPlaines Hobbies last Friday. Both look real good. I think the F3's are due early next year(Jan-Feb.) I don't know of an ETA on the turnouts. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9940	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: cleaner

In response to David Horn, I also use 90% alcohol, using the same method as you described. I have come to the conclusion that this is the best performing cleaning practice. I tried oil, bright boys, erasers etc. but still found that the patch of cotton dipped in alcohol did the best job for my rails. I just hated cleaning up the gunk that collects in various places on both the equipment and around the edges of the rails. You have to wipe the rails down pretty frequently with the alcohol soaked rag to be effective though. I do it almost every time I run the trains. It only takes a minute or two and the result is worth it. On another note: To return rusted rails to a cleaner finish I use a very soft wire brush wheel mounted in a drill press, run the track through it a couple of times and then wipe it off with an alcohol soaked rag. You have to be careful not to take the coating off the rails though. Sometimes you have no choice if the rails are pitted badly. I saw a tip a year or so ago on the list by someone who used to wire brush the rails, removing all coating until they were bright and shiny metal. Then they coated the rails with a clear enamel and lightly sanded the enamel off the top of the rail for electrical contact. I've tried that in a couple of instances and that worked well too. It's then up to my dehumidifier to make sure the rails don't oxidize again. The process works well, and the tracks have never looked better........ Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9941	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: cleaning track...anymore suggestions?

PAUL, Thank you for your comments on cleaning track. I just had a visitor at my home to look at my layout....he suggested cleaning my track with an eraser....then use a very light OIL, like WD 40 on the rails.... he said the results would be very good. Excellent electrical pickup...and excellent cleaning. Now after reading your comments i am wondering about the advice from this ole SAGE AF guy. Does anyone else have comments about cleaning track?? I have been doing it Paul's way with Isopropyl Alcohol....on a rag...gets the dirt off great...i do have a fair amount of sparking from tenders though. Wayne "finerty, paul" wrote: > > In response to David Horn, I also use 90% alcohol, using the same method as > you described. I have come to the conclusion that this is the best > performing cleaning practice. I tried oil, bright boys, erasers etc. but > still found that the patch of cotton dipped in alcohol did the best job for > my rails. I just hated cleaning up the gunk that collects in various places > on both the equipment and around the edges of the rails. You have to wipe > the rails down pretty frequently with the alcohol soaked rag to be effective > though. I do it almost every time I run the trains. It only takes a minute > or two and the result is worth it. > > On another note: To return rusted rails to a cleaner finish I use a very > soft wire brush wheel mounted in a drill press, run the track through it a > couple of times and then wipe it off with an alcohol soaked rag. You have to > be careful not to take the coating off the rails though. Sometimes you have > no choice if the rails are pitted badly. I saw a tip a year or so ago on the > list by someone who used to wire brush the rails, removing all coating until > they were bright and shiny metal. Then they coated the rails with a clear > enamel and lightly sanded the enamel off the top of the rail for electrical > contact. I've tried that in a couple of instances and that worked well too. > It's then up to my dehumidifier to make sure the rails don't oxidize again. > The process works well, and the tracks have never looked better........ > > Paul Finerty > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9942	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track...anymore suggestions?

Wayne, You're welcome for the comments. I enjoy seeing other's posting regarding little tips and tricks so I figured I'd add a couple I've used for a long time. I've tried the oil method, and you are correct about the sparking from tender wheels being higher without oil. I found that the sparking happens more when the rail surface is not of uniform shape (dents, dings etc.) so I set out to smooth them as best I could using a sandpaper block (vacuum afterwards!) with fine sandpaper. The joints between two track sections is the worst location, so I spent most of the time trying to improve that area. So far, my sparking has been reduced quite a bit to the point where it really is not much more than if I used oil. The best parts are the increase in traction without the oil, and the lower frequency of engine cleaning. Paul Finerty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9943	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: LPS-1

For keeping rails clean and for light lubrication, I have been using a product called LPS-1, which is available at Ace Hardware stores. It was recommended at rec.models.railroad FAQ. -Roy Roy E. Plotnick Professor Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences University of Illinois at Chicago 845 W. Taylor St. Chicago, IL 60607 plotnick@... office phone: 312-996-2111 fax: 312-413-2279 lab phone: 312-355-1342 web page: http://www.uic.edu/depts/geos/plotnick.htm "The scientific celebrities, forgetting their molluscs and glacial periods, gossiped about art, while devoting themselves to oysters and ices with characteristic energy.." -Little Women, Louisa May Alcott

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9944	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Home Video

Wow, I was inundated with requests for a copy of the video I made in 1998 at S-Fest west. I also had two people ask if I had any video of the local Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers layout. I have never taken any personally but a couple of the members have during stages one and two. I don't know if any stage three has been taken. The club will be setting it up for the local "Toy Show" here on Nov. 10,11,12. I won't be in town on those days But I will try to get some quality video taken by a friend. I will add that and any other I can round up to the end of the existing video before I ship it out to anyone. One of our club members just happens to be the manager of a video production company here in Boise and I might be able to get him to do some dubbing for me. I didn't expect such an overwhelming response to my offer. I only have two studio quality tapes on hand and will still need to find a supply before I can make all the copies requested. Cheap tapes make crappy copies. Also won't know the exact cost until I find those tapes either. Hang in there....... Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9945	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: Home Video

STEVE, Thanks for your efforts in putting this Video together. I particularly look forward to the extra and new footage of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers layout that I have heard so much about. Thank you also for wanting to produce this on quality tape by an experienced person to dub it. Put me down for one tape....and if you don't mind...i am going to mention your tape at our club meeting on Friday night...<big grin...more orders coming your way> Wayne Golden Spike American Flyer Club boss31@... wrote: > > Wow, I was inundated with requests for a copy of the video I made in 1998 at > S-Fest west. I also had two people ask if I had any video of the local Rocky > Mountain Hi-Railers layout. I have never taken any personally but a couple of > the members have during stages one and two. I don't know if any stage three > has been taken. The club will be setting it up for the local "Toy Show" here > on Nov. 10,11,12. I won't be in town on those days But I will try to get some > quality video taken by a friend. I will add that and any other I can round up > to the end of the existing video before I ship it out to anyone. > One of our club members just happens to be the manager of a video production > company here in Boise and I might be able to get him to do some dubbing for > me. I didn't expect such an overwhelming response to my offer. I only have > two studio quality tapes on hand and will still need to find a supply before > I can make all the copies requested. Cheap tapes make crappy copies. Also > won't know the exact cost until I find those tapes either. Hang in > there....... > > Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR > Boise > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9946	From: Bruce Crosby	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: cleaning track...

Wayne & Paul: I've tried something new on the market recently.....it's called "XENIT" I found it in the Automotive section at Manards lumber. It contains Isopropyl alcohol and natural citrus cleaners. It is manufactured by a co. called Stoner, comes in an spray 10 oz. can. My friend and I are using it on his AF modular layout on original AF track that we restored by taking apart & cleaning off the rust and replateing the track with Nickel and painting the ties with black spray paint and then reassembling the track. We cleaned the track with 3M wheels mounted in a drill press. We have found that using an old sock saturated with "XENIT" cleans the track and wheel sets really good. The only thing is you want to be careful and stay away from styrene plastics as it attracts them. Also the "XENIT" evaporates relatively fast so have to keep spraying the sock!!!! The smell isn't of alcohol put of citrus (Oranges) Oh yes, it's flammable too!!!! Any further questions just ask......... Thanks Bruce Crosby Hutchinson, MN NMRA# 114573 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Broadhead" <wayne@...> To: "finerty, paul" <finerty_paul@...> Cc: <s-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:17 AM Subject: [S-Trains] cleaning track...anymore suggestions? > PAUL, > > Thank you for your comments on cleaning track. I just had a visitor > at my home to look at my layout....he suggested cleaning my track with > an eraser....then use a very light OIL, like WD 40 on the rails.... > he said the results would be very good. Excellent electrical > pickup...and excellent cleaning. > > Now after reading your comments i am wondering about the advice from > this ole SAGE AF guy. > > Does anyone else have comments about cleaning track?? I have been > doing it Paul's way with Isopropyl Alcohol....on a rag...gets the dirt > off great...i do have a fair amount of sparking from tenders though. > > Wayne > > "finerty, paul" wrote: > > > > In response to David Horn, I also use 90% alcohol, using the same method as > > you described. I have come to the conclusion that this is the best > > performing cleaning practice. I tried oil, bright boys, erasers etc. but > > still found that the patch of cotton dipped in alcohol did the best job for > > my rails. I just hated cleaning up the gunk that collects in various places > > on both the equipment and around the edges of the rails. You have to wipe > > the rails down pretty frequently with the alcohol soaked rag to be effective > > though. I do it almost every time I run the trains. It only takes a minute > > or two and the result is worth it. > > > > On another note: To return rusted rails to a cleaner finish I use a very > > soft wire brush wheel mounted in a drill press, run the track through it a > > couple of times and then wipe it off with an alcohol soaked rag. You have to > > be careful not to take the coating off the rails though. Sometimes you have > > no choice if the rails are pitted badly. I saw a tip a year or so ago on the > > list by someone who used to wire brush the rails, removing all coating until > > they were bright and shiny metal. Then they coated the rails with a clear > > enamel and lightly sanded the enamel off the top of the rail for electrical > > contact. I've tried that in a couple of instances and that worked well too. > > It's then up to my dehumidifier to make sure the rails don't oxidize again. > > The process works well, and the tracks have never looked better........ > > > > Paul Finerty > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@... > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9947	From: ROBERT ALLEN CONNER	Date: 10/19/2000
Subject: Re: LPS-1

IN REGARDS TO CLEANING TRACK....I ONCE HAD THE PLEASURE OF RUNNING TRAINS ON MIKE K'S LAYOUT IN SEATTLE BACK IN 89...THE GEEPS CRAWLED...THE 060 WOULD CREEP ALONG...THE STEAMERS RACED, ETC.....BEAUTIFUL.....WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE KEPT HIS TRACK CLEAN.....HIS ANSWER WAS HE NEVER CLEANED THE TRACK....WHAT HE DID WAS MODIFY SEVERAL LOCOS WITH THE SLIDING SHOE ON THE TENDER!!!!THIS ARRANGEMENT KEEPS THE TRACK CLEAN...BOB CONNER

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9948	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Track and Equip. Cleaning

Thought I would pass on something stupid (maybe too strong of a word) I did recently. I still find that the track eraser works best but is needed only rarely or when I get new track. I use it away from trains and clean up afterward. Didn't like any oil as the loco's slip too much. I decided to try ammonia which seemed to do a great job on the rails. Feeling sucess I tried the ammonia on some equipment. It was doing a great job on a 175 watt transformer when I realized it was taking off the red paint of the bars on the Americanm Flyer logo label on the front. I felt fortunate that this was a fair+ condition piece. I guess my question is what all of you experts would suggest for cleaning accessories. For example is armor-all good or does it give a un-natural shine to equipment. Can rolling stock plastic be cleaned or reconditioned??? Do not want to damage anything else.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9949	From: finerty, paul	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track

Andy, The original coating on the track is some sort of plating. It's not clear at all, but almost a light galvanized looking color. If your track is real rusty, what I've done is just what you are doing. Sand it all off, until you are down to the bare metal. Make sure you get rid of all the oxidation. I got a tip from someone else on the list about painting the rails with clear enamel. You then sand the enamel off the top surface of the rail (I actually roll the sandpaper over the side of the rail a little bit), and the sides are then protected by the enamel so they won't oxidize again for quite awhile, if at all. The shiny rails look nice, and conductivity is good also. I have a big box of dirty and rusty track too, and I recondition a bunch every once in awhile. I think if you don't recoat the sides of the rails again after you use the wire brush wheel on them, they will oxidize fairly quickly especially if your layout is in the basement. I recommend wire brushing the rails the long way, not perpendicular across the rails. You'll get lots of sparking if you do that. The traction gain will also probably be nil as there is less surface contact between the rail and the wheel in that case. Make sure you use a nice fine wheel on the tops of the rails too, don't use a coarse wheel because that will put grooves in the metal where dirt and other conductivity inhibiting junk can collect. Once get a routine established it goes pretty quick. Some people have talked about replating the track rails. I haven't done that but would be interested to know how well that works. The replating method most likely costs more though, assuming you can find a local metal shop to do it for you. Let everyone know how you make out, or if you come up with a trick that works well..... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Rosiep3@... [mailto:Rosiep3@...] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:17 AM To: finerty_paul@... Subject: AF track Paul, About your post on the S list - I didn't realize there was a clear coating on AF track in the first place. What's the purpose of it and does it have to be replaced? Some time ago I bought a large box (damn near a life time supply) of very rusty track and have been cleaning it up on a wire wheel on my bench grinder. In my ignorance I had no intention of recoating it. Do you think I should? Since the pitting is quite deep I have had to use a fairly coarse wheel, leaving burnish marks perpendicular to the direction of the track. I'm wondering if this will ultimately provide better traction? I have not placed any of this track into service yet, as my layout is still in my head. Thanx, Andy Betts, Wheat Ridge, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9950	From: Bill Porter	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track

Hi Gents, There have been quite a few notices, recently regarding track maintenance and refurbishment. The primary subject had been steel rail - I have little experience with that stuff. But...... Something that works very well for brass and nickel-silver (another kind of brass) rail is a cleaner car of the type invented by John Allen. It uses a piece of Masonite or other hard board as the cleaning agent. A rectangle of the material is cut to fit below a boxcar - slightly wider than the track and about two to three times as long as wide. It is attached to the car by means of a couple of nails. That is, the nails are driven through the hardboard (and normally glued to it). I use brads or finishing nails and pound the heads flush with the bottom of the board. Then, drill a couple of holes up, through the bottom of the car. the holes should be a little larger than the diameter of the nail so that the nails slip easily. I usually add some sort of retainer inside the car to keep the pad from falling, completely out when the car is lifted. In normal operation, have one of these cleaner cars in every freight train. As it runs, the pad floats over the surface of the rails and applies a very slight abrasive action - about like a sliding electrical contact. You will be amazed at the amount of gunk it picks up in the first 20 or so orbits. After that, it doesn't get so much stuff unless the train has been idle and has collected dust. There are no additives. The cost is a few cents per car. The track wear can not be measured in less than 100 years. The trains run very well. This sort of cleaner car would defeat the benefits of track additives since it will wipe them off. If my layout has been idle for a couple of weeks, I will apply some Radio Shack 'Color Tuner Cleaner' to help out at first. It is quickly wiped off after working. So, my question is: Has anyone tried one of these cleaner cars on their American Flyer layout? What sort of results did you get? And now, back to the trainS... Bill Porter

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9951	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: AF track

Some quick thoughts on track cleaning before I run off to work Two kinds of coatings on factory track All black track: Black Oxide, or Blueing. An inexpensive rust resistant finish, but not very resistant. This is also used on all ties (silver rail too) Silver track; made from pre-plated material, the coating is sometimes zinc, sometimes cadmium, and probably sometimes tin . ACG bought this material, then cut and formed it into rail. Replating can leave plating chemicals inside the rails which may, over time corrode them from the inside out (besides being expensive!) Probably cheaper to buy track in good condition! Rusty track: depends on the 'look' you want. if you like real railroad look, where sides of the rail are often dark, or rusty, then only clean the tops and inside edge where the wheels make contact. To prevent furthur rust you could clear coat the rails with a flat black acrylic, then clean off the tops and sides. I wouldn't use a wire wheel because most scratch too much, and I have access to a glass bead cabinet. With low pressure, and fine glass, light rust can be removed without removing all the tie black. track can then be clear coated and sanded on top (using 400 or finer paper, and I'd use it wet and dry the track afterwards, the paper will last longer (if it's wet or dry paper) and sand smoother. Or if track is really rusty, and you loose the tie black, you can coat with semi-flat black and have all-black track! One more option is to go to some car restoration supplier and get a blackening kit to actually re-blacken the ties, and clear coat the rails to keep the silver/black look. I'm sure there are other options out there! I have reconditioned quite a bit of AF track, as I bought some 1500 pieces of rusty track once! (just call me David "bargin hunter" Dewey!) Gotta get to work! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9952	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: track cleaning

Good morning. I like using LGB hand held Track Cleaner. Made to fit in your hand and doesn't wear out the rail.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9953	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: [Commercial] B.T.S. Loco Project Update

Howdy Friends Just wanted you to know what was happening around here with our S Scale projects.... Baldwin 0-6-0, S Scale Standard Gauge Just received a box from our builder in New Zealand, so the Baldwin 0-6-0 kits and semi-kits are back in stock. The prototype is E.B.T. #6, but the kits include standard Baldwin boiler fronts and single-coupler pilots so other roads can be modeled. Order now! http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm Baldwin 2-8-0, S Scale Standard Gauge The final sample models for the M&PA #41, 42, and 43 are being built now, and we expect to have photos on the web site of #41 in the near future followed by the other two. Each of the three locos are different with respect to valve gear, domes, and feedwater systems. There are many locos on other roads that were built from the same Baldwin plans as these, so check your favorite road. Sorry for the delay on these locos, but as I mentioned before, the patterns were brought to us for inspection at the NMRA Train Show by a friend of our builder in NZ. After we inspected and approved them, he offered to take them back to NZ since he was leaving the next day. Only problem unknown to us was that he was on the first week of a six week holiday in the U.S.!!!!! So the patterns did not get back to NZ for another month-plus. It will not be much longer. Specify which loco number when ordering! http://www.btsrr.com/btsteam.htm E.B.T. 2-8-2, Sn3 We have moved the #12 project from Korea to our builder in NZ. Pattern work is already underway and I have been promised that a sample will be here sometime in January 2001. We expect to have the price worked out shortly, and will post all the info to the web site. As with the other locos, #12 will be available in kit form, semi-kit, and ready-to-run. Watch for #11 2-6-2 to follow! BL2, S scale While we are not ready to go into a lot of detail, just wanted you to know that patterns for the frame, fuel tank/battery box, and body are just about finished. This will be a urethane kit with brass details. Look for more info on the web site in the next month or so. Cabooses, S Scale Now that the conventions are over, we can get back to heads-down design work. The E.B.T. Sn3 http://www.btsrr.com/bts9104.htm and NKP S scale standard gauge Series-1000 wood caboose kits are just about done. Still have some additional work to do and the final sample to build, but it will not be much longer. We have received the samples of the brass castings for the M&PA bobber in S scale. Very nice! This cab will be a U.S.-made brass model and will also be offered in PRR lettering. http://www.btsrr.com/bts9006.htm Almost gone.... Coon Gap Sawmill (S & O) http://www.btsrr.com/btsmil01.htm Elliott & Sons Supply (S) http://www.btsrr.com/bts7106.htm Orbisonia Station (S & O) http://www.btsrr.com/bts7127.htm These limited edition kits are almost sold out. Only a few of each left. While I cannot be at the S Fall Fest, we will have a display handled by 'brother' Bill Bateman. If you are able to attend, stop by and say hello to the ex-fighter pilot. Thanks for your time and support. Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9954	From: andy lorince	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: train show akron oh

i will be attending Classic trains and exhibitions show at tadmore temple in akron ohio oct 22. take interstate 77 south, exit arlington ave, make sharp u turn at end of exit. andy lorince

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9955	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM Gilbert price guide

When I got home from work last night, what awaited me, but a thin package from TM! Opened it up and inside was the new TM Gilbert Price Guide for AF. I enjoyed myself most of the evening...looking up items to check prices that I KNEW Greenburg was wrong on. Way to go TM, you did get it right, and I was very impressed with the accuracy of the prices. I was also very impressed with the layout, color pages, explanation of items, grading procedures (including future value direction of an item), and BEAUTIFUL FRONT COVER. Being in the printing profession, I can appreciate a great Color Separation, and the front cover is fabulous. I think I'm getting excited about collecting again. P.S. Goodbye Greenburg!!!!!!! Thanks, Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike American Flyer Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9956	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM's web address please

Does someone have the link for TM's site. I looked on Paul's link site and could not find it: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/links.htm Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9957	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Oiling Track?

There has been discussion both pro and con about oiling track. I take my reference from the "How to Setup and Operate a Train Set," Form M2499. This form was included in the American Flyer set #1676, dated at the factory March 12, 1947. And I quote (emphasis original)- "KEEP TRACK CLEAN AND FREE OF OIL -- Clean the running surface of the rails regularly with a fine sand paper then clean rails with a rag dampened with a NON-INFLAMMABLE cleaning fluid. This will insure a good electrical contact to pickup wheels at all times." And you wonder why you keep all the packaging and cartons. Alan Udy, RMHRS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9958	From: Peck	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Re: Bill Jackson

< I had just heard an unfortunate rumor......Does anyone know the health of a Mr.Bill Jackson.....of Watchung,N.J. > Bill passed away very suddenly on September 26th (or 28th?). Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9959	From: BPX29@aol.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: YeOld Huff & Puff

Folks, Does anyone know the correct web address for this company? I'm interested in their car kits as well as their scratchbuilding parts such as car ends, doors and brake equipment. Thanks much, Barry Peltier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9960	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: original Gilbert instructions

Original Gilbert factory instructions are amusing, even fascinating. Some parts are very helpful, but other parts are outdated. Here's a quote on them from my next Roundhouse column: "The original factory instructions for maintaining Gilbert diesels should be ignored ! The service kits that Gilbert sold to maintain their locomotives with contained items that are brutal by today's standards: a heavy vaseline gear grease, a thick blended motor oil, and large grained emery boards for cleaning commutators. Fortunately, better materials are now available. The original oil delivery system in Flyer diesel motors is no good either. It depended on cotton wicks to deliver oil upward from the bottom of the truck (the two holes marked "oil") to the outsides of the porous bronze armature bearings, which were impregnated with oil when they were manufactured. By now the wicks are clogged, and the original oil that impregnated the bearings has hardened -- they aren't very porous any more. A light synthetic oil such as LaBelle should be applied directly to the joint between bearing and shaft with a needle tip oiler. It does a much better job of lubricating, too ! " Using fine sandpaper to clean track strikes me as brutal too. I advocate using a track eraser. The grit mostly stays in the eraser -- in ten years of use, my three erasers have lost considerably less material than would make up the eraser on the end of a pencil. Wiping with a clean rag afterwards will remove any grit that the eraser does leave. Compared to the very fine grit in a track eraser, fine sandpaper is coarse. A scotch brite pad is probably good though. That was a pretty helpful suggestion, David. However, keeping oil off the track seems like good advice. I have never been a fan of clipper oil. And some oil is going to get on the tracks anyway, unless you don't lubricate your trains. In my experience, oil combines with dust to produce a slurry that really interferes with rail to wheel electrical contact. I eagerly await my contact enhancers from Caig. They represent a technology that was probably undreamed of in ol' A.C.'s day. Tom J

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9961	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9962	From: Tom Young	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: TM's address

Wayne, here's the link you asked for. Tom http://www.tmbooks-video.com/books.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9963	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/20/2000
Subject: AF Track

Hi, I got "blasted" early this year for suggesting this, but here goes: I sandblasted rusty AF track that I didn't want to discard. I used weak pressure (ancient air compressor) and black oxide. The track is now in use (mainline), but all inside a long "tunnel." I used a sanding sponge which restored the railhead to new condition. This track is great and I have had no problems--lack of plating notwithstanding(?). I'll do more if I ever need the rest of that track in the "freebie" box I got. Oh sure, the rail is gray and some of the ties get stripped as well, but what the heck, scale people seem to like that "dirty look"-mine is hidden anyway. I refuse to give up on rusty AF track and if any more comes my way--great! It just is time consuming but worth it to keep it going! My problem with hand cleaning some track has always been access-what's a layout without sufficient hidden track? Using rolling stock presents the problem of pickup material becoming clogged after it starts moving. And then, one wonders whether sufficient pressure is being applied. I am very pleased with Doug Peck's track cleaning car--it's heavy and has a broad pad (which I shift sideways slightly to refresh it for a few more rounds). Then, of course, the equipment (engines without "pull-mor" ) won't climb my Gilbert grades after such! Oh well. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9964	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Coke trucks

========================================================================= = >>>>>>> From: Wjfraley Subject: Cocoa - Cola Matchbox Trucks Hi, Last weeks Sunday paper had an ad from Coca-Cola (Matchbox Collectibles) offering a Tractor Trailer a month for $29.95 plus S&H. A 1939 Peter Bilt and a 1956 Mack, with five different Coca-Cola advertising designs. I'm really interested in the tractors, but the trailers look older also. One can always change the advertising on them. The scale isn't given, but they are seven inches long. Anyone out there know how close they really are to 3/16th scale? Sure could use them old tractor Trailers. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= == 7 inches certainly COULD be S scale. Hartoy semis are about that length. Do you have a scanner? Post a copy of the advertisement in the shared files section? Has anybody checked the Coke or Matchbox websites for data on these? Ted Larson http://members.aol.com/TOPCHOP1/clubcars.htm ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9965	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/21/2000
Subject: Re: Coke trucks

Ted R Larson wrote: Subject: Cocoa - Cola Matchbox Trucks (((((Hi, Last weeks Sunday paper had an ad from Coca-Cola (Matchbox Collectibles) offering a Tractor Trailer a month for $29.95 plus S&H. A 1939 Peter Bilt and a 1956 Mack, with five different Coca- Cola advertising designs. I'm really interested in the tractors, but the trailers look older also. One can always change the advertising on them. The scale isn't given, but they are seven inches long. Anyone out there know how close they really are to 3/16th scale? Sure could use them old tractor Trailers.))))) Matchbox makes some really nice trucks and pick-ups with gas station logos, coke, whatever, BUT, most of these that I have seen in ads in magazines are more like 1/48th scale, or closer to "O" gauge. I can't be certain of the ones mentioned here though. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9966	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip

I have a Santa Fe PA 360 shell stripped and ready for repaint. It has a small triangular chip (appropriately 3/16" at the base) in the middle skirt. There is less opening on the outside than the inside. Does any- one know the best filler to repair this before I prime it for repainting? BTW - This is the black plastic, not the white stuff that dissolves in the brake fluid stripper or crumble on its own. Thanks. --- Nick "Nick Colleran"<colleran@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9967	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip

Nick I would think that "J-B Weld" epoxy would work here, and probably "bondo" would too (and it would set up much faster than the J-B stuff). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9968	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: 360 PA body chip

David's ideas will certainly wrk well. I just don't trust epoxy because it dries out and shrinks and looses adhesion over a 20 year period. I would either use auto body putty (is this bondo?) or else cement a piece of styrene strip in there. This would be the strongest. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9969	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Home Video update

I have found a source for studio quality tapes and they are affordable for this impromptu project. I have gotten a friend that runs a production company to reedit from the original tapes and dub this video for me. He is also going to shoot new video of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers "Lookout" Junction layout on Nov. 10,11,12 for me. We will then put that segment first on the video followed by Ernie Horr's "Tinplate Road" layout and another S Scale layout in Spokane. The anchor piece will be Jess Bennett's fabulous "Great Northern Pacific" S scale layout. So what you will have is a lot of fun toy train American Flyer video of the club layout followed by some serious S scale layouts. We will edit it all down to one hour or less. There have been 20 requests already for this video. I am going to make 30 copies in the event that others that are curious want one. Still don't know the exact cost yet, and will update with that figure after the video is finished in November. I should be able to start mailing them out before Thanksgiving. Regards to all Steve Blackburn RMHR etc. etc. Boise, Idaho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9970	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Portable layout update

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part2/s_trax_layout2.html The last picture on the page I took a couple hours ago. See you guys tonight at the Yahoo club chat. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9971	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: 360 PA body chip

Yep Tom, "Bondo" is a brand name for body filler that is sorta like "Xerox"--it's become a generic term. There are different kinds, and now that I have a *little* more time to type, I would recommend the two-part "spot putty" kind. This is intended for the final finishing on body panel repairs and is a little more dense and finer-sized particles than regular filler. This is NOT--I repeat NOT-- the one-tube 'squeeze it out and put it on' spot putty, that is basically unthinned primer paint, it has a medium (no, not the one with a crystal ball) and a catalyst to cure it. The stuff's not cheap, but it does come packaged in smaller sizes--or go bug a car-nut friend who probably has some laying about and wouldn't mind letting you have the little bit you'll need for the job. Take your shell along and fill it there. Epoxy dries out and shrinks? Hmm, I didn't know that, good info--now I have a bunch of stuff to worry about that I've used it on already! Think it'll still dry out when it's painted over? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9972	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 22, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EDT (GMT-04:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9973	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat -- Oh boy, oh boy! These chats are the g

I Hope to be there, the shed is watertight, and filled with stuff! (missed the last two because I was building it!) S' David D. PS Couldn't resist using an old AF ad line!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9974	From: The Reis's	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Plastic Village Gazette

A friend at TCA handed me a copy of the Plastic Village Gazette this morning. This is a new magazine about Plasticville and other buildings of the sort. This first issue is 16 pages on gloss paper with a color cover, basically the printing quality of the NASG Dispatch. Cover price is $3.95 Subscription price is listed as $25 for 6 issues. 4 issues a year. Published by Pinenickel Publications PO Box 590602 Houston Texas 77259-0602 e-mail Webmaster@... www.plasticvillagegazette This is just passing along interesting info, I have No connection with this venture whatsoever. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9975	From: The Reis's	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: S gauge automobiles

While at Target this morning I found the 1/64 scale ERTL American Heritage cars on sale for $3.49. (regularly $4.99) This is extremely cheap for these excellent cars. These cars seem to be all new tooling (as Keith T. in Kent pointed out to me) with more effort paid to size. The nova was quite a bit smaller than the 60 Ford and so on. They had the 69 Nova, 70 Cougar, Chrysler 300, 60 Ford, and 70 mustang, and plenty of them. (admittedly it is a brand new store) [Northgate, for you Seattle Types] Also on sale for $2.99 were the kits of these cars, but even though they have the same names I believe (could be wrong) that the tooling is from the old Racing Champions 3 1/4 inch models with varying scales. Anyway, check out a Target near you. Another note: If you find the same thing in Toys R Us, you can claim that price and they will match it, at least they do in the Great Northwest. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9976	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Hallmark Harley's

I want to thank the various menber who mentioned the 1/64 Harley's availble at the Hallmark stores. I also picked up a Harley approx. G-scale. At the store we found out they also did another model in S & G last year (the first in each series). With this in mind, an internet search (by my wife) found a source for last years models. They are about double the price of the current ones. For those interested the web site is: www.mxtx.com/hallmark/nf/1999.shtml. While there are others, this is the one we used. Hope the info is of help to someone. Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9977	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: 360 PA body chip

I like the Bondo idea. It sets up in about 30 minutes. The strip of styrene behind the repair should make it even better. jarcho@... wrote: > > David's ideas will certainly wrk well. I just don't trust epoxy because it > dries out and shrinks and looses adhesion over a 20 year period. I would > either use auto body putty (is this bondo?) or else cement a piece of > styrene strip in there. This would be the strongest. > > Tom Jarcho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9978	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: Re: Filling 360 PA body chip

It's the early white plastic that you have to worry about. It seems to have a fibrous filler that contributes to its deterioration. For example I routinely use 10% aqueous sodium hydroxide (lye) to strip paint. In areas of heat damage like the nose of a 370, white plastic disintegrates in many solvents including lye. Black plastic is unaffected. Steve Gruninger --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@r...> wrote: BTW - This is the black plastic, not the white stuff that dissolves in > the brake fluid stripper or crumble on its own. Thanks. --- Nick > "Nick Colleran"<colleran@r...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9979	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/22/2000
Subject: York

Sometimes I am so stupid. I got all the way to York before I realized I had forgotten my e-mail printouts. I remembered something was happening at the Day's Inn. I thought it was the AOL dinner. It wasn't. The AOL dinner I was trying to find was in the building whose parking lot I U-turned in so I could drive 10 miles to the Day's Inn where the night before there had been the Gilbert get-together. Duh! Thursday night I didn't get to York until 2:30 in the morning. I stayed at the only place where I was able to reserve the last room in town . . . Barnhardts. Of course, not having my printouts, I totally forgot that I had friends staying at the same little motel. Duh! I did meet Mark Preman of American Flyer.com in the parking lot as he loaded his van with all his purchases. We concurred that prices of Flyer 0-8-0 switchers were way too high and for some reason, Franklin sets were available for every price under the sun between 200 and 400 dollars. In the choo-choo din of the Yellow Hall, I stood before the awesome altar of Bill Paar's booth. Bill is a Pennsylvania dealer who deep discounts AM and SHS. He has EVERYTHING! He has stuff the manufacturers are out of. He also has a substantial stock of Flyer, Gargraves, clean and new roadbed, and tons of switches. I bought a set of F-7 Rock Island ABA Rockets and, duh!, left my eyeglasses there on a pile of train boxes. Bill returned them to me today. I can't thank him enough for how he handled that. If anyone want's to know more about Bill Paar and his substantial list, I will post his phone #. I heard the awesome sound system aboard the SHS F-3's. 8 run notches! Bell and horn, too. Dallee is doing the sound cards. One reason for the good sound is the larger chamber for resonation found in these engines. The AM diesel's motors and drive take up a lot of room, but the F3 has a compact mechanism and thus, a larger resonance chamber. The sound pushes air out the exhaust stacks so forcefully, you can feel it throbbing with your hand over the unit. I had a chat with Mike Wolf of MTH. I thanked him for making Flyer accessories and pumped him for info on making rolling stock in "S". He gave me a pretty stock answer about "considering it." Later, I saw him once again and showed him the Rockets I bought. He was cooly impressed. At his booth I played with the coal loader a bit. As far as I could tell, it is just like the AF unit All his accessories are very nice. The hit of his booth was not the way overblown hamburger drive-in replete with obnoxious doo-wop, but the clever passenger station with the disappearing people. With a deep overhang and smallish appearance (so that it can hide it's little trick behind the train) this station is a good S piece. The meet had a substantial S-gauge presence. There were more parts dealers than usual. There were more small S venture builders. A lot of "O" dealers were carrying S track. When I inquired of a booth owner making carnival rides, he wanted to know "what's with all you S-gauge guys, today? The guy who just left was asking about S!" Another dealer making city buildings said, "Sure I make them in S-gauge, but you guys buy 'em up so fast I never have any stock to show!" Lionel forgot their smoke fluid again so they headed into the Yellow Hall to stock up on Supersmoke. Once again, the Lionel tent was redolent of Gilbert cedar! I was pleased. I was pleased also with getting 3 of the AM "Blue Coal" cars for $84 and the Flyer TTUX for $60. I found all the parts I needed and saw a lot of people I wanted to see. Thanks to Neil Besougloff and the gang at Classic Toy Trains booth (Hi, Martha!) for finding for me my missing May 2000 issue and then giving it to me for free. These guys weren't the only ones at the show to look at my nametag and recognize my name from these lists! They're all lurking out there! I could not get up early enough to make the breakfast, but I did go to Strasburg on Saturday evening and looked at the nice job they did renovating the TCA museum. There I finally met Ron Morris, moderator of the TCA list. I wore my Toytrains@egroups nametag all day, both days, and never saw another person wearing one. Sorry I missed the AOL party. I was dejected for awhile there. My wife and I went to the Olive Garden and had a nice dinner, but I felt like a jerk. There was no one I could call! Not realizing I was staying in the same little hotel as the friend who invited me, well, that really was a piece of Murphy's Law. None-the-less, York was great! Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9980	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: S gauge automobiles

When at my local train store, I find a new line of plastic cars marketed under the name of DIME STORE DREAMS. A little big for S, but they look great with the slightly oversized American Flyer accessories. These cars are a 40's-50's period, but no specific make. They are very well built and detailed, and remind me of what I would have used with my train set when I was young in the early 50's. Lots to choose from. I like the "woody" station wagon, the police chiefs car, and the city cab. Each comes in its own little box with excellent graphics. For a single car, I paid $4.60, and $9.20 for a car with a boat on a trailer to tow. Check them out. Michael The Reis's wrote: > While at Target this morning I found the 1/64 scale ERTL American Heritage > cars on sale for $3.49. (regularly $4.99) This is extremely cheap for these > excellent cars. These cars seem to be all new tooling (as Keith T. in Kent > pointed out to me) with more effort paid to size. The nova was quite a bit > smaller than the 60 Ford and so on. They had the 69 Nova, 70 Cougar, > Chrysler 300, 60 Ford, and 70 mustang, and plenty of them. (admittedly it > is a brand new store) [Northgate, for you Seattle Types] Also on sale for > $2.99 were the kits of these cars, but even though they have the same names > I believe (could be wrong) that the tooling is from the old Racing Champions > 3 1/4 inch models with varying scales. > > Anyway, check out a Target near you. > > Another note: If you find the same thing in Toys R Us, you can claim that > price and they will match it, at least they do in the Great Northwest. > > Eric Reis > Kenmore, Wa. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9981	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltage ratings

Flyer transformer were rated at different voltages (see plate on the back of the transformer). The range of top voltage ratings apparently spans 15V-19V depending on the specific transformer. I checked several reference books last night and voltage rating was not included among the specs provided (watts, years manufactured, single vs double, etc. was, but not voltage rating). Does anyone know of such a listing? Or can we put one together here on this list by looking at the various units we operate our trains with? If there is no prepared list to reference, please allow me to get one started here. Please add to it. Thanks. Transf Rating 11/2 B 16v 4B - need to check mine at home 8B 12B - need to check mine at home 15B 15v 16B 15v 17B 18B 19B 15v 30B five digit 30B PS Several of us in the W&OD Club have found that the actual trackside voltage output of an AF transformer is roughly 1.5-2.0 volts more than the back-plate rating indicates. For example, a 15B rated at 15V at full-throttle produces 16.67 volts measured with a VOM on the rail heads. One reference I forgot to look in is the K-line complete AF Handbook, I'll check that tonight. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9982	From: William H Trefts	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: 969 Rocket Launcher

Folks, I have a 969 Rocket Launcher with a problem. To be clear, this is the launcher that shoots the rocket straight up. I have a repro rocket on it. When the rocket is in launch position, vibration from moving on the tracks will trip the mechanism and cause it to fire. Is there an easy fix? Your help would be appreciated. Thank you! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9983	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: transformer Voltage

18b - 15 volt 30b - 18 volt Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9984	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: You know you've been to York when. . .

HI guys, I got permission from Les to post his message here from the toytrains list, thought you'd all enjoy it. S' David D. From: "Lester H. Mathis" <lhmathis@...> Subject: You know you have been to York when: You know you have been to York when: 1. It takes you 2 hours to negotiate route 30 from Strasburg to York because of construction. 2. A State Trooper informs you the speed limit is 40 not 55 mph as you round the bend westbound on route 30 coming into town. Never mind all the signs that say "minimum speed 40 mph" that you have seen since Lancaster and you don't realize the change in language. The speeding summons is $80. Welcome to York County sir. 3. You ask directions for the Valencia Ballroom at the Exxon Station on 30 just before North George and are informed that you should have taken route 83 just behind you to get to York College where the attendant has been informed by another person at the station the ballroom is located. York College turns out is on Country Club Lane just off SOUTH George. 4. You then ask how to get to the Billy Budd and the attendant has no idea. Perhaps someone should have told you it's real name is Holiday Inn at the intersection of Route 30 and Tornito St. (the traffic light just before you got to the Exxon station). 5. You have to stay in Possum Hollow PA (20 miles further on route 30 west) because the Motel in York you booked last year says they have cancelled your reservation. Seems they overbooked and since you are only staying 2 nights and some other guy is staying 5, they feel, at $110 per night (plus tax), he is a better customer. 6. They closed Johnny and Charlie's Restaurant on South George and you have to eat at the Olive Garden on 30. p.s. there was a 1 hour wait for Pseudo Italian food. 7. Friday morning you find some one has stolen your personalized license plate overnight at the motel. After discussion with the local police you arrive at the Fairgrounds at 11 am. Since your table was not occupied at 10 you can't have one in April. You are banished to the magenta hall (pick a color) for not being there on time. 8. You set up and first crack out of the box some well dressed guy offers you $25 for the 3435 Aquarium car rubber stamped with gold circle and "tank 1 and tank 2" in the original box. "Gee it looks a little old". "Does it have protosounds?" "you know do the whales sing?" Excuse me. You don't know whether to laugh or cry. 9. The second customer wants the car and then says: "Wait a minute I have to sit down and take the $100 bills out of my shoe. Do want the old or new style bills?" Frankly I don't care if Ben Franklin is or isn't wearing a fur collar. 10. You step out for lunch and all that's left is pumpkin funnel cake. After eating it you smell like grease and some unknown spice even the Amish shun. 11. You say the heck with it, the table can watch itself. You visit with Lou Redman in the Blue Hall and have a piece of candy. 12. Marty Visnick always has the latest joke in the Red Hall. 13. George Tebolt has the parts you need in the Yellow Hall. 14. Jay Duke and Dan Briggs provide technical data no one else seems to have. 15. You return to your table and the guy next to you has the 1588 windup loco you need for that set of red cars you bought in 1983. 16. Later you go roaming again and get lost for a while in the Purple hall looking for Ross Switches. Look at all that new stuff. Ah they have what you need to finish that spur line. 17. You run into Bruce Manson and discuss something you've written for the Q. 18. You sneak a box of sundry items (weighing a lot) under Ron's table to take to Jan for the TCA Library. Why isn't there anyone at that table--ever. Even Phil Ritter doesn't know why. Hope Jan can use the stuff. 19. Sudenly it's 2 pm on Saturday and you quietly pack up the car and leave the fairgrounds. Sure hope everyone I enjoyed bs'ing with will be around in the spring. Like Bob Hope says: "Thanks for the memories" As an aside I haven't exaggerated and all of the above has happened to us at one time or another in the 26 years my wife & I have attended the "York Meet". Les Mathis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9985	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: NPSG UPDATED WEBSITE

Embedded in our North Penn S Gaugers website are some pictures of the East Coast Fall Get-Together. http://members.nbci.com/northpenn_s/main.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9986	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Phone Number

> I saw your message on the s-egroup and would like the phone number for Bill > Paar that you mentioned. There is not a good supplier in my area for S. > Thanks > Howard Sheffield > Roseville, CA Howard: Bill Parr's number is (215) 757-1034. He has lists you can work from. You can write to him at: Bill Parr's Hobby Supplies 205 Golf Club Drive Langhorne, PA. 19047. Tell him I sent you, maybe I'll win a free opportunity to buy more stuff! That small manufacturer I spoke of was: K&P Brick & Building Co. 308 Indian Rock Dam Road York, PA 17403-9578 (717) 747-0493 From him I bought a Lehigh Valley Models Water Column Kit (Yes, dear, balsa wood and metal castings, just like the scale boys.) My steamers were running dry. He has some really nice gantry cranes, high-sided chip hoppers, extended length gondolas (80-ish feet, so forget those Flyer curves) as well as small items like baggage smasher carts and fork lift trucks. You might not be ready for big and complicated, but a little kit here and there is a do-able project and then you have something unique. The guy with the buildings was Frank Sedio: Structures by Frank (856) 696-5195 Hs specialty is building, painting and detailing existing kit structures and bashing them to get you what you need. Call him for his paper. Has anybody else noticed that the new AM caboose flyer has this web address: www.americanmodles.com ? You won't get there! Sometimes spelling DOES count. (It's "models" for those of you who are staring at it but not seeing it.) I think we should take a booth at the next York just to promote "S". No sales, just a little layout with some great sounds and action. Maybe, the "S-Gauge Tent" positioned right there between Mike and Big L! Volunteers??? Clear on the hanger! Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9987	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: Home Video update

Steve, Put me down for one of your video's for sure!! Remember, i'm going to announce yer little project at our next meeting. Wayne boss31@... wrote: > > I have found a source for studio quality tapes and they are affordable for > this impromptu project. I have gotten a friend that runs a production company > to reedit from the original tapes and dub this video for me. He is also going > to shoot new video of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers "Lookout" Junction layout > on Nov. 10,11,12 for me. We will then put that segment first on the video > followed by Ernie Horr's "Tinplate Road" layout and another S Scale layout in > Spokane. The anchor piece will be Jess Bennett's fabulous "Great Northern > Pacific" S scale layout. So what you will have is a lot of fun toy train > American Flyer video of the club layout followed by some serious S scale > layouts. We will edit it all down to one hour or less. > There have been 20 requests already for this video. I am going to make 30 > copies in the event that others that are curious want one. Still don't know > the exact cost yet, and will update with that figure after the video is > finished in November. I should be able to start mailing them out before > Thanksgiving. > > Regards to all > Steve Blackburn RMHR etc. etc. > Boise, Idaho > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9988	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: FILLER

I have used Squadron Green Putty on several cars and engine bodies. Works fine - available at your hobby shop. Gregg Mummert _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9989	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Gilbert

Just wanted to express our thanks to all the people who attended The First Gilbert Get-together. With limited promotion, we had quite a few participants, really cool things were on display and we had quite a discussion about Gilbert. Mr. Robert Tufts told a number of wonderful stories and also displayed some special items. As promised we will attempt this at least two more times April/October 2001 We hope to see a trend of increased attendance. Again THANK YOU to all who participated or helped out with The Gilbert Get-together regards........ Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9990	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltage ratings

These ratings are like anything else. You can't believe what you read (on the transformer plate). The wattage ratings are mythical and arbitrary too, by the way. The only way to determine voltage rating is to measure it. The measurement will be the same at the terminal posts and the track. We discused this a few weeks ago. Every 18-B I have ever tested produced 19 volts. More later. Monday Night Football is ohnn tonite! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9991	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Launcher

Bill, Sounds like you're violating the basic rocketeer's code: Do not move the train with the rocket in the launch position. ;-) (Well, no one was responding with a *real* answer!) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9992	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: Re: 969 Rocket Launcher

Check to see that the latch is penetrating all the way into the tube that holds the rocket. It should take a definite pull (test by hand) on the link to release the a cocked rocket. William H Trefts wrote: > > Folks, > > I have a 969 Rocket Launcher with a problem. To be clear, this is the > launcher that shoots the rocket straight up. I have a repro rocket on > it. When the rocket is in launch position, vibration from moving on the > tracks will trip the mechanism and cause it to fire. Is there an easy > fix? Your help would be appreciated. > > Thank you! > > Bill Trefts > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9993	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/23/2000
Subject: 969 Rocket Launcher

Bill: I think maybe you have to refresh the spring by stretching out each loop a little as described in Tom Barker's book. You can probably do this without disassembling anything. Sometimes S-list reminds me of the fable about the blind men and the elephant, but it sure is fun! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9994	From: HOGHEADHAT@AOL.COM	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Hoghead Hatwear Announcement

I am offering quality heavy-duty RR logo hats and apparel for sale. All hats are direct embroidered, many designs have engine on side of cap. All hats are made in USA and have 6 panel crowns, sewn eyelets and snap closures with antiqued brass grommet. To recieve flyer of current designs send mailing address to HOGHEADHAT@... These are the highest quality RR logo hats available-I guarantee it. Thanks, Kent Kahle Hoghead Hatwear 658 Matson Drive Napa, CA 94558

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9995	From: Barry Peltier	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs

Folks, I've not posted to this list before, so if this question is old hat, please pardon moi. But I was wondering how difficult it is to find the "New Haven" coachs that were so standard in the 50's sets? And what's a good price range? I don't need anything in nice condition, as I need a couple body shells for kitbashing scale-length cars, so paint condition or colors are not important. Even slightly damaged shells would be usable, unless the damage is extensive. Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks, Barry Peltier

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9996	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs

Barry, The "New Haven" coaches are rather common, damaged ones even more so! There are different plastics used during the years, so you might want to stick to one plastic type per 'mating'. The shiny, warped ones are acetate. Price?? Hmm good question, I would think a damaged car should be easily found for under $20, depending on the amount of damage. I have seen nice ones go for as little as $35, but as they say in the biz; "Prices may vary in your location." Now if you want heavyweight cars, well that's a car of a different color! Oh! for them to be so common! The AM models have great detail, but none of the sturdiness of the AF ones, what this country needs is heavyweights with die-cast trucks and good couplers! (OK, I know, it's just my opinion) While I"m dreaming, I'd like them to sell for around $50 each too! Oh heck, it's a dream, $25! (hey, I'm CHEAP!) S' David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9997	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert

...sure would be nice if some of you who have been to YORK recently, would give us: 1. A review of your experience there last week (fun to read) including some prices and trends 2. Where to stay at reasonable prices 3. How are some of the folks getting to YORK from the West at reasonable prices 4. I have heard that the best deals on Flyer are in the parking lot or in a hotel the night before, if this is true...how do ya tap in to the location? 5. If you had your choice, and could only go to one event a year...would it be YORK or the S Fest?? Thanks for your opinions in advance, Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike AF Club Clay Buckage wrote: > > Just wanted to express our thanks to all the people who attended > The First Gilbert Get-together. With limited promotion, we had quite a few > participants, really cool things were on display and we had quite a discussion > about Gilbert. Mr. Robert Tufts told a number of wonderful stories and also > displayed some special items. > > As promised we will attempt this at least two more times April/October 2001 > We hope to see a trend of increased attendance. > > Again THANK YOU to all who participated or helped out with The Gilbert > Get-together > > regards........ > > Clay > > "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" > "The Shadow Knows!" > > Clay Buckage > Dave's Twacks & Twains > Box 388 > Tatamy, Pa. 18085 > cbuckage@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9998	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: CNR locos

> Hi Tom: > It took a while to track down the info you were seeking on CNR GP35s and 38s. As I said before CNR bought two GP35s in 164 and both were retired by 1984. CN acquired 33 GP38-2s in standard cab (4700s, originally 5000s) in 1972-73 and a flock of them with wide nose or safety > cabs. Most of them are still on the roster and in a variety of paint schemes. CPR has more GP35s and lots of GP38s. GTW had more GP35s and plenty of GP38s. You have to remember that the details on the Cdn locos are quite different than what AM offers including headlight on the > cab nose, bell where the light usually is on American cabs and the horn off the cab roof to about half way back along the body. Many of them have special covers over the air intake to keep out the snow. CPR had GP35s and lots of GP38s all with standard cabs. It just sold the > GP35s in the last couple of years to a bunch of shortlines. > As for the commercial potential of specially painted units, there aren't a lot of S scalers in Canada and many of them would likely consider the GP35 and GP38 too modern. I Have no idea of what the US market might be interested in. > As to your question about paint schemes, CN's two GP35s never got past the original black and red scheme with the white CN noodle on the sides. > cheers > > TOM HAWLEY wrote: > > > Alex - > > On pages 92ff of Nov RMC there's an article on the CN GP-38-2 in the same paint scheme that I had Dave Wehrwein paint my brass GP-38-2. It's the red cab with black & white diagonal stripes on the sides. On page 40 there's an adv for an HO GP-35 in the same paint scheme. > > > > I don't know if the Canadian National ever had any GP-35 locos, but we know American Models sold a lot of NYC FP-7s, which never existed in the real world. > > > > What's your opinion on suggesting that paint scheme to American Models for their GP-35?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 9999	From: Clay Buckage	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert

Wayne........... Unfortunately with only a few days between York & S-Fest, there is not much time to respond, as a matter of fact I am sending this through my cell phone Hope to share both experiences next week after returning from S-Fest If you're coming to S Fest stop by and see us Last chance to see our current layout will be at 'S' Fest See link below Pictures provided by Paul Yorke of www.strains.com Web space courtesy www.trainweb.org & Badgerland S gaugers http://www.trainweb.org/bsg/Modular/Daves_Twacks.htm regard'S' Clay "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men???" "The Shadow Knows!" Clay Buckage Dave's Twacks & Twains Box 388 Tatamy, Pa. 18085 cbuckage@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Broadhead" <wayne@...> To: "Clay Buckage" <cbuckage@...>; "Golden Spike AF Train Club" <GoldenSpikeAFClub@egroups.com> Cc: "S-Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com>; "TCA List" <toytrains@...> Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Gilbert > ...sure would be nice if some of you who have been to YORK recently, > would give us: > > 1. A review of your experience there last week (fun to read) including > some prices and trends > 2. Where to stay at reasonable prices > 3. How are some of the folks getting to YORK from the West at > reasonable prices > 4. I have heard that the best deals on Flyer are in the parking lot or > in a hotel the night before, if this is true...how do ya tap in to the location? > 5. If you had your choice, and could only go to one event a > year...would it be YORK or the S Fest?? > > Thanks for your opinions in advance, > > Wayne Broadhead > Golden Spike AF Club > ........

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10000	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Re: Transformer voltage ratings

Some additional ones that I have: 1 1/2 16v 2 15v 7B 15v 8B 15v 15B 15v 18B 18v (note difference) 30B 15v ( " " ) Bill Frazier _______________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 10:18:48 -0400 From: david_horn@... Subject: AF transformer voltage ratings Flyer transformer were rated at different voltages (see plate on the back of the transformer). The range of top voltage ratings apparently spans 15V-19V depending on the specific transformer. I checked several reference books last night and voltage rating was not included among the specs provided (watts, years manufactured, single vs double, etc. was, but not voltage rating). Does anyone know of such a listing? Or can we put one together here on this list by looking at the various units we operate our trains with? If there is no prepared list to reference, please allow me to get one started here. Please add to it. Thanks. Transf Rating 11/2 B 16v 4B - need to check mine at home 8B 12B - need to check mine at home 15B 15v 16B 15v 17B 18B 19B 15v 30B five digit 30B PS Several of us in the W&OD Club have found that the actual trackside voltage output of an AF transformer is roughly 1.5-2.0 volts more than the back-plate rating indicates. For example, a 15B rated at 15V at full-throttle produces 16.67 volts measured with a VOM on the rail heads. One reference I forgot to look in is the K-line complete AF Handbook, I'll check that tonight. >> Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:12:59 -0000 From: "Dwight Lehnhoff" <dlehnhoff@...> Subject: transformer Voltage 18b - 15 volt 30b - 18 volt Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10001	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail 4 bay hopper

Regarding the 4 bay Industrial Rail covered hopper, does anyone know how WIDE (in inches) these cars are? S scale should be about 1 7/8" to maybe an absolute maximum of 2". Many O27 cars are close to S in the length and height, but are too wide to look right with S equipment. I checked out www.industrialrail.com, but didn't get much info. They didn't even list what roadnames were available. I understand it's a PRR prototype, but didn't see that road listed. Ads in past issues of CTT show a C&O and an IC. Thanks, Bill Frazier --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, Ted Larson <mhrreast@y...> wrote: > > I saw the note about Industrial Rails covered hopper. > > Can someone direct me to a web site or some such for this. > > The review said it was the same size as an American Models CD hopper. > > How does it compare detail wise? > > Chris Zizzo and Jeff Madden supplied the review comments on this model. > Chris and Jeff, can you provide more info on the size and DETAIL? > Can you post your replies to both lists? > > > > > ===== > Ted Larson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10002	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: transformer voltages

Thanks everyone for your replies. We're getting the list completed. Keep checking those back plates and keep your input/observations coming. Thanks. 1-1/2 B 16v 4B,8B,15B, 16B, 17B, 18B, 19B - all 15v (Tom J has found 18B's actually generate 19v) 30B 15v or 18v (check the back plate, both can be found, check eBay current and closed auctions for photos of both) 22035 17v 12B - still need to check mine at home [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10003	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: AF transformer voltages

1. My 22035 actually produces 19 volts. 2. All 18-B plates do not say the same thing. I THINK I remember 2 different voltages being given on different units. Sorry, I don't remember more than that. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10004	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: Gargraves Track

I am ready to lay track on my 12 x 16 layout, and plan to use Gargraves. Would appreciate all comments re tinplate vs stainless steel. Is there any real effect on magnetraction? I plan to use some Gargraves switches for clearance, but mostly AF. Thanks for all input. Dick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10005	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: turntable

Recently there was discussion about sources of turntables. The Sept. '86 MR has a comprehensive article "An easy-to-build, low-cost HO turntable; Scratchbuilding techniques useful in most scales". Much of the material is Evergreen styrene and bridge girders. Ted Larson In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10006	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/24/2000
Subject: HOT WHEELS/ Ford hot rod hauler 1:64 scale

Check out the 1:64 scale car carrier with 12 hot rods $19.99 From Fingerhut in their Holiday Big Book Page 83 item K. They are plastic chassis with cast metal body. This is made by Hot Wheels. Their item # is 11yu8 Their web site is: www.fingerhut.com Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10007	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: updated transformer voltage data

Hey, the stats are just pouring in. Thanks. Here's an updated table. Hope this comes out legible in your email. Several models can be found with different back plate rated voltage. These include the 4B, 16B, and 30B. The rated difference between identical model numbered units can be 1 or 3 volts. Most transformers seem to actually generate 1 to 2 volts more than their rating. Transformer Rated voltage Actual Voltage Comments 1 1/2B 16 4B 15, 16 17.22 For 15v rated 8B 15 16.1 12B 15 15.6 15B 15 16.7 16B 15, 18 16.9, 19 15v, 18v rated 17B 15 16.89 18B 15 19 19B 15 30B 15, 18 18.9 For 18v rated 22035 17 22060 18 19.91 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10008	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: Industrial Rail 4 bay hopper

Bill Frazier and Ted Larson have asked questions about the 4 bay Industrial Rails Hopper. >Regarding the 4 bay Industrial Rail covered hopper, does anyone know >how WIDE (in inches) these cars are? S scale should be about 1 7/8" >to maybe an absolute maximum of 2". Many O27 cars are close to S in >the length and height, but are too wide to look right with S equipment. Bill Frazier >Chris Zizzo and Jeff Madden supplied the review comments on this model. >Chris and Jeff, can you provide more info on the size and DETAIL? Ted Larson Bill and Ted and anyone else interested: I bought one of these hoppers and made the physical comparisons myself. I did not measure it. I held it up to the AM CD hopper. It is just about dead on in width, length and height. I DON'T know if a 1:1 scale version of each car would compare the same way, that is, the IR 4-bay may not be prototypically sized in S-scale for its exact full sized counterpart. However, I don't know what prototype it is designed to emulate, either. Here's why I bought it and recommend it. A four bay modern hopper is a BIG car. IR is not in the business of making big scale cars. Their 2 bay hopper is the same physical size! An AM 2 bay is tiny next to it. Chances are, the IR 2-bay is scaled about right for "0". The downsized 4 bay is scaled about right for "S" , even though, as a toy train, it works fine with its 027 trucks. At first glance, it appears too huge for "S". But after those trucks come off (EZ job) and a pair of roller bearing SHS trucks go under, the magic begins. This car has nice details. You might find the brakewheel a little large, but it didn't bother me. Ladders and steps look to be in scale. Here is a nice car for cheap, even after the added expense of trucks. It compares favorably in dimensions with all my other modern equipment. Of course, it dwarfs old Flyer. I hope IR makes some more modern large stuff that they downsize. I root for this company's success. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10009	From: Richard Vangampler	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: American Models Universal Track?

Dear S-Trains, What is your opinion of American Models Universal Track? Most of my rolling stock and locomotives are unmodified A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S-gauge trains. I have tried N, HO, and O but I prefer S gauge. My model railroad layout has no weathering and yet it is realistic. I have found that the American Models track is great for my S-gauge/scale oriented layout. It looks much more realistic than the old standard American Flyer track and the trains almost never derail. However, my advice that I would like to point out is that it is better to avoid using ballast with American Models track or at the very least use a smaller size of ballast than the HO scale stuff that I used on my layout. This is because, sooner or later, the deep flanges will come into contact with the rocks. This can lead to minor knicks on the plastic wheel flanges. For this reason, I have since removed all of the ballast from my layout. My solution to this problem is to use a new color of Fleck Stone spray paint on the cork roadbed to simulate the ballast instead. Also the American Models Universal "flex" track came apart very easily. The rails separated from the ties, so I definitely recommend only the American Models Universal "sectional" track system. Meanwhile for those considering this new track system, don't be concerned, the old American Flyer track and rubber road bed is still great for that occasional floor layout or circle around the Christmas tree. Sincerely, Richard Vangampler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10010	From: Al_at_Work Rawdon	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels Cargo Carrier

If you want to view the cargo carrier, click on the address below: http://www.fingerhut.com/cgi-bin/tuhf/templates/gate.jsp?dest=Fingerhu t/FH_Index.jsp&site=Fingerhut&trcd=fhstandard Enjoy, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10011	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Barry Peltier" <BPX29@a...> wrote: (((( Folks, I've not posted to this list before, so if this question is old hat, please pardon moi. But I was wondering how difficult it is to find the "New Haven" coachs that were so standard in the 50's sets? And what's a good price range? I don't need anything in nice condition, as I need a couple body shells for kitbashing scale-length cars, so paint condition or colors are not important. Even slightly damaged shells would be usable, unless the damage is extensive. Any enlightenment would be appreciated.))))) Flyer coaches show up on ebay quite a bit. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10012	From: Bente Velapoldi	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe me from the S-trains list. Rance [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10013	From: Rogerw53@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: transformer voltage

22090 = 17V

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10014	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: TRANSFORMER VOLTAGES

Did anyone note if there is any voltage diffrence between the transformers with or without meters on them? Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10015	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: American Models Universal Track?

This post made me recollect that in ballasting AM track I never let the ballast stick up above the ties. The ballast is particularly offensive at switches. I think ballast applied carefully and well glued down avoids the problem described below. We found a tendency for our module club members to apply too much ballast to AM track and had to be alert to this. Rule of thumb is no ballast above tie tops. Richard Vangampler wrote: > > Dear S-Trains, > > What is your opinion of American Models Universal Track? > > Most of my rolling stock and locomotives are unmodified A.C. Gilbert American Flyer S-gauge trains. I have tried N, HO, and O but I prefer S gauge. My model railroad layout has no weathering and yet it is realistic. I have found that the American Models track is great for my S-gauge/scale oriented layout. It looks much more realistic than the old standard American Flyer track and the trains almost never derail. However, my advice that I would like to point out is that it is better to avoid using ballast with American Models track or at the very least use a smaller size of ballast than the HO scale stuff that I used on my layout. This is because, sooner or later, the deep flanges will come into contact with the rocks. This can lead to minor knicks on the plastic wheel flanges. For this reason, I have since removed all of the ballast from my layout. My solution to this problem is to use a new color of Fleck Stone spray paint on the cork roadbed to simulate the ballast instead. > Also the American Models Universal "flex" track came apart very easily. The rails separated from the ties, so I definitely recommend only the American Models Universal "sectional" track system. > Meanwhile for those considering this new track system, don't be concerned, the old American Flyer track and rubber road bed is still great for that occasional floor layout or circle around the Christmas tree. > > Sincerely, > Richard Vangampler > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10016	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. "American Flyer" coachs

I saw many at York for $40ish depending on condition. There are also some in really nice shape for more but not necessary to have that good a condition for what you want. Try any dealer selling used Flyer. Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Barry Peltier" <BPX29@a...> wrote: > (((( Folks, I've not posted to this list before, so if this question > is old hat, please pardon moi. But I was wondering how difficult it > is to find > the "New Haven" coachs that were so standard in the 50's sets? And > what's a good price range? I don't need anything in nice condition, > as I need a couple body shells for kitbashing scale-length cars, so > paint condition or colors are not important. Even slightly damaged > shells would be usable, unless the damage is extensive. Any > enlightenment would be appreciated.))))) > > Flyer coaches show up on ebay quite a bit. > > Rick. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10017	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Model Railroad Service

Found some old papers from 1966. Old track plans (loved to doodle those during high school classes), one of which was published in S Gauge Herald and another of which is good enough to build. The most interesting thing was a catalog from Model Railroad Service : 372, 377, 378, 484, 486,355, 315,21234, 21918, 21831, 21922, 21922-1,21105 and many more bodies new for under $5 each ! Totally outrageous parts listing -- everything you can't find nowadays. Every type of truck. Every type of everything! Arrrrghhh! 21130 locos NIB 29.95. Complete diesel motors 12.77 each. Where's my time machine? Anybody ever do business with this guy? Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10018	From: Gonzalo Fernandez Gomez	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Re: turntable

Does anybody know where I can buy a turntable for American Flyer? Did they build it or is there any modern version compatible with the two rail track? Thank you. Gonzalo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10019	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: Stainless Steel Gargraves

The question was asked: Subject: Gargraves Track I am ready to lay track on my 12 x 16 layout, and plan to use Gargraves. Would appreciate all comments re tinplate vs stainless steel. Is there any real effect on magnetraction? I plan to use some Gargraves switches for clearance, but mostly AF. Thanks for all input. Dick Other than stainless steel being non-mangetic, and no S Flyer compatible or American Flyer locomotives having magnatraction anyway, its all a matter of your preference. Make mine stainless. No rust, even when aged outdoors for over two years. Alan Udy, RMRHS Idaho Falls, ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10020	From: Bill Lane	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: John Craft and the new NASG Dispatch

Hi All, If you have previously tried to link to my photos for the Tribute to my late great friend John Craft in latest Dispatch, please try again. I just uploaded them again tonight after deleting them (last week) from my web space. I did not know that they were going to be included in the article. I thank Jeff Madden for printing it. Here are the links. Please take a look and remember our friend. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/johnc1.jpg http://users.snip.net/~billlane/johnc2.jpg Thank You Bill Lane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10021	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/25/2000
Subject: VIRUS ALERT

Will the person who posted a warning about a virus approx. 1-2 weeks ago please contact me off list. Or anyone that remembers the posting contact me. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10022	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: Model Railroad Service

Tom, Another reason I don't dig out my old catalogs very often, too frustrating! Try the old HSS catalogs for some real price changes. Stuff they were trying to "blow out" is now some of the higher priced pieces! S' David D. PS and I was too broke at the time to buy much too. AAAUGH!! I was just a high school kid before the days of fast food places and every kid having a "real" job.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10023	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Gargraves

I'm useing Code 172, Nickle silver. Just waiting for the new switches From Classic Trains. I wouldn't use Gargraves on my layout. Track products American-S-gauge, At: http://trainweb.com/corcon/strack.html Reggie lapasafe ( Lamanda Park Santa Fe

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10024	From: Robert Allen Conner NCARB Architect	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: VIRUS ALERT

I DON'T KNOW...BUT I GOT A BAD BUG ON THE 24th....COULD IT HAVE COME IN THE S LIST? BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: <anormal1@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:48 PM Subject: [S-Trains] VIRUS ALERT > Will the person who posted a warning about a virus approx. 1-2 weeks ago > please contact me off list. Or anyone that remembers the posting contact me. > Mike S. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10025	From: Al_at_Work Rawdon	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper measurements

I have purchased the NYC hopper car of IR. Measured the NYC hopper and it is: 2-1/16" wide (this equates to 11 feet wide) 2-1/2" tall (top of cat walk to bottom of each bay door) I did not measure the trucks. I have converted only done one truck on this hopper to an AF truck. 9-5/8" long (not counting couplers) Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10026	From: Al	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Classic Trains track

Does anyone know how good the track from Classic Trains is compared to SHS or AM? Classic Trains calls their track American S Gauge track. They have special tracks to which you can add uncouplers, mail pick-ups, load dumps, track trips, etc. I am wondering if anyone has been using this type track and how good is it. Can it be connected to regular American Flyer track like SHS does? They have a listing from Paul's S-trains lists on track companies. http://trainweb.com/corcon/strack.html Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10027	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: transformer voltage

Doesn't seem to be any difference in metered transformer voltage. As ha been noted my 18b and 30b produce the same 19 volts despite what the plate says. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10028	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail Hopper measurements

Al_at_Work Rawdon wrote: > I have purchased the NYC hopper car of IR. > Measured the NYC hopper and it is: > > 2-1/16" wide (this equates to 11 feet wide) > 2-1/2" tall (top of cat walk to bottom of each bay door) I did not > measure the trucks. I have converted only done one truck on this > hopper to an AF truck. > 9-5/8" long (not counting couplers) From a hasty measurement of a handy PRS hopper, the IR is the same length, slightly wider and about the same height. but then I have not seen one up close cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10029	From: Al	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Hot Wheels car carrier truck

Sorry that the FingerHut address didn't post right. The ad has a small picture you can click on to enlarge for a better view of the carrier. Here is what the ad says on the site: Thunder Roller Truck Only $24.99 Thunder Roller Car Carrier Truck by Hot Wheels allows kids to load and unload up to 12 Hot Wheels cars (not included), then "drive" over-the-road with realistic lights and sounds. Measures 19-1/2 " long. Batteries included. I'll try posting the FingerHut address here again: http://www.fingerhut.com/cgi-bin/tuhf/templates/gate.jsp?dest=Fingerhut/FH_Index.jsp&site=Fingerhut&trcd=fhstandard Good hunting, Al

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10030	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: 1/64th Cars

I was out on business today when I stopped in an Ames store during my lunch. I picked-up a couple of Johnny Lightning "American Chrome" series cars. These appear to be true 1/64th and are not painted gaudy or hot rod colors. I picked-up a 57 Lincoln Premiere and a 55 Ford Crown Victoria. Both look great. I compared the crown vic with my Racing Champions crown vic and it is quite a bit smaller and just as detailed. Check them out. J. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10031	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Track Info Pages

Give credit where it belongs. My friend Craig S. O'Connell has created "S" SCALE MODEL RAILROADING HOMEPAGE at http://trainweb.com/crocon/sscale.html Connecticut S Gaugers at http://trainweb.org/csg Several NASG related sites http://trainweb.com/nasg/ Just to name a few. He is also the winner of the NASG Perles Publications for 1997 Thanks for all your efforts, I know whats involved. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10032	From: Ted Weiler	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: August Dispatch

Did any of you that sent in your renewal late get the back issue? Just wondering. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10033	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse-Solution??

Dave Horn and I have, recently, been re-hashing the ole' "Faster in Reverse Syndrome" and Dave thought some of the S-List people might be interested in what I have done to eliminate that problem in some of my loco motors. So, for whatever it's worth, here's what I did: I'm not saying that I've discovered the, absolute, cause of the "Faster in Reverse Syndrome" just that I managed to eliminate the problem in four, different, motors that had the "disease". A friend, who owns a small machine shop, allowed me to use some of his equipment to check the armatures in the motors that I have. (About a dozen of them). I marked the problem motors. I chucked up the armatures in a lathe and checked them for "square" with a dial indicator. Although almost none of them were perfectly true, those that were the farthest out were the ones that I had marked. We were able to dress most of the commutators and true them up but there wasn't enough copper (thickness) on several to allow this to be done. The only solution was a new commutator. The original commutators were made of Bakelite (I think) and had warped or distorted over the years. They have a brass bushing in the center and are pressed on over the knurling on the worm shaft. The copper contacts on top have tabs which are cast into the insulator. The old commutators are also very brittle and, usually, crack or break when you attempt to remove them. I made a jig to remove the commutators and it lessens breakage but can be used only if the windings are first taken off. I made new commutators by using a material called "Delron" which is a very tough plastic and can be, conventionally, machined and drilled. The brass bushing isn't needed. We used a 1/16" (thick) x 1-1/8" (wide) copper washer for the contact surface. Cut hook up tabs on the sides, milled the slots to separate the segments and ground the overhang (excluding the tabs} around the perimeter to meet the insulator dimensions (13/16"}. I pressed the new commutator on and squared it with the shaft. (3/16" offset}. Re-soldered the wires. The bottom line is this: All the armatures that we "tuned" or re-fitted with new commutators improved overall performance and eliminated the "Syndrome". I think just re-surfacing the commutators by sanding them doesn't eliminate the bias or out of square condition. I can only guess that an out of square commutator causes the brushes to "bounce" or "float" as the commutator turns causing poor contact and, perhaps, the faster in reverse problem? Any machine shop could check your armatures and do the work mentioned above if needed. Just re-facing the commutators to square them with the shaft is easy and shouldn't cost much. If they are too far out to correct this way, the commutator will need to be replaced. I don't have any commutators made up right now but, perhaps, I will make up a bunch of them if there is any interest in acquiring them. Hope this is of some help. Joe Messinger > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10034	From: Randall L. Griggs	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail & "S"

I sent a comment to Industrial Rail on their WEB page: "Hi, Some folks on the "S-Trains" eMail list have indicated that some of your O-27 products can be modified (by substituting "S" trucks & couplers) and used on "S" layouts. Can you give me some details on your various products? Specifically, are any of your products close to or slightly less than 1-7/8" wide? (That's 10' in "S", and most prototype RR cars are very close to 10' wide!) Thanks for your prompt & courteous reply." Very soon afterwards, I got a reply from Ken Davis at Industrial Rail <KDavis@...> in which he states: "It is true that the Series 1500 Caboose can be modified by replacing the trucks. That series is the only series that will work within the "S" train market. Thank you for your interest in Industrial Rail... Quality and realism like no other." You can see their cabooses at: http://www.industrialrail.com/1500.html By the looks of the "O" trucks, their cabooses WOULD look much better over a nice set of "S" trucks! Hovever, Ken didn't say what the actual width of their cabooses is. At their WEB site you can sign up for them to mail you their latest catalog, so I did. Their WEB site didn't give the prices, but I presume their prices are reasonable!!?? Thought you might like to know. Regards, Randy Griggs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10035	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Hey fella's did you miss me? My computer has been down for two weeks almost. Back up and running now. I appologize if anyone tried to contact me and I missed you. Had 300 e-mails to get through. Nice to be back online. Chris Burger.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10036	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Chris, Just figured you were off to York! Welcome back. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10037	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/26/2000
Subject: Re: turntable

I have a Bowser which is large enough to hold a 4-8-4. Comes requiring you to mouunt track, motor and add a bridge kit. Gonzalo Fernandez Gomez wrote: > > Does anybody know where I can buy a turntable for American Flyer? > Did they build it or is there any modern version compatible with the two rail track? > Thank you. > > Gonzalo > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10038	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Roy Hoffman's new web site

I noticed Roy mentioning his new site in the latest NASG Dispatch. Another site helping to spread the word. Congratulations, Roy! www.s-scaletrains.com Check it out! It's good. Real good! Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10039	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Toys or models?

Hi all, read this on the TCA board, I think he's got it right! (ducking flames now) S' David D. From: "Robert S. Butler x-5426" Subject: Re: Toy Train Track In response to the question about toy train track the best I can offer is the opinion of an expert. Several years ago I had set up one of my very large display layouts at home. The usual drill was that after I had put it together I would invite friends and neighbors over for a show. The layout proper was of the 3 rail broadloom variety but there was some 2 rail scale in evidence as well. The mix of trains was everything from prewar tinplate to scale. One of my neighbors came over with their young daughter and when I ushered them into the train room their daughter just froze for an instant and then she turned to her parents wide eyed and open mouthed and exclaimed at the top of her lungs,"IT'S TOYS! IT'S A WHOLE ROOM FULL OF TOYS!!!" Her mother quickly grabbed her and in hushed tones she said,"No dear, these are models and this is a model railroad." Before anyone could say anything else I said,"No, your daughter is right. It IS a room full of toys and I just happen to be one of the older kids on the block." ...So if the young lady's assessment counts for anything I'd say that, regardless of scale, it's all just toys. Robert S. Butler

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10040	From: Alan C Udy	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Atlas Track Planning Software

I see that Atlas has made Freeware of its track planning software at www.atlasrr.com. Their snap switches and 18 inch radius track and 9 inch straights are in proportion to our 20 inch radius track and switches and 10 inch straights. They use 12 curves for the complete circle too. Could be a useful tool in planning Flyer layouts. Alan Udy RMHRS Idaho Falls ID ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10041	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Posts per month count.....

Hi all, For those who like numbers, here's a run down of the number of posts per month on S-Trains so far for the 2000 year: Jan.........438 Feb.........505 Mar.........547 Apr.........406 May.........270 Jun.........237 Jul.........293 Aug.........266 Sep.........278 Oct..so far.368 Membership is up to 553. S-Scale, with their lower number of members, usually out-post S-trains, but mot this month! Their count is 365 so far for Oct. {Results compiled by the account firm of "Dewey, Cheatum and Howe".} (((No relation to Dave Dewey, I don't believe))) Rick "Take a ride on the "S" side!" Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10042	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: October Dispatch

- Greeting`S' - Down here in North Carolina I am enjoying a beautiful day, beautiful weather, and a beautiful October, 2000, Dispatch. The color photos on front cover and in the center are of expert quality. Congratulations to Dick Karnes for taking Best-in-Show with NYC 1551, his unique, variable-wheeled boxcab Diesel. It is twice described on page 8 as a 2-C-2 and is show twice in high-quality pics as having 4 pair of driving wheels which makes it a 2-D-2.Nothing takes away from the great appearance of the model, tho. Congratulations, Dick. Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10043	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: [Commercial] New B.T.S. Structure Announcement

During the last 12 months, we have released two very large laser-cut structure kits in S scale; the Orbisonia Station and the Coon Gap Sawmill. Both are very detailed kits and both are nearly sold out. For the last few months, we have had a poll on our web site requesting your input for the next big S Scale structure kit. Since it is time to make a decision, we have counted the results and posted the winner to the web site at http://www.master-creations.com/poll1.htm Thanks for making the decision for us! We will soon be wrapping up the New River Freight House, the MoW Shed, Saltillo Station, and a couple of others in S scale to clear the decks in anticipation of getting the winner underway. Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10044	From: Peck	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: Turntable

We market the ONLY S turntable which is motorized and R-T-R.....almost. Just drop it into a 22" hole in your layout, connect the motor leads, and install your own track on top of the bridge. We also market a Roundhouse kit to go with it. Both are visible on our website. Check them out! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10045	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Toys or models?

Amen! The only difference between men and boys is the price of the toys. David Dewey wrote: > > Hi all, read this on the TCA board, I think he's got it right! (ducking > flames now) > S' > David D. > > From: "Robert S. Butler x-5426" > Subject: Re: Toy Train Track > > In response to the question about toy train track the best I can offer > is > the opinion of an expert. Several years ago I had set up one of my very > ..... > > ...So if the young lady's assessment counts for anything I'd say that, > regardless of scale, it's all just toys. > > Robert S. Butler > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10046	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: Posts per month count.....

Hmm, "Dewey, Cheatum & Howe" probably some long-lost cousing from the east side of the Hudson. That side of the family won't talk to this side (West of the Hudson). S' David D. PS, Sad to say, that last sentence, so far in my life, has been true! (Still makes a good joke, though!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10047	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 29, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10048	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: October Dispatch

Dittos from Kansas City as of today's mail. "Rhett T. George" wrote: > - Greeting`S' - > > Down here in North Carolina I am enjoying a beautiful day, beautiful weather, > and a beautiful October, 2000, Dispatch. The color photos on front cover and > in the center are of expert quality. > > Congratulations to Dick Karnes for taking Best-in-Show with NYC 1551, his > unique, variable-wheeled boxcab Diesel. It is twice described on page 8 > as a 2-C-2 and is show twice in high-quality pics as having 4 pair of driving > wheels which makes it a 2-D-2.Nothing takes away from the great appearance > of the model, tho. Congratulations, Dick. > > Cheer`S' Rhett George > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10049	From: Glen & Katy Doran	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Offense

I apoligize if some of you got more than one of these. This is the cover picture from next weeks Esquire magazine. I think this is the most debasing thing I've ever seen reflecting on the Office of the President of the United States. The reason some of you got more than one is I sent to every address in our address book. If it offends you it should. The interview he gave to Esquire is available at http://rushlimbaugh.com/home/today They sent the picture to him and gave permission to put it on the website. If you're a dyed in the wool Democrat please forgive me, this is beyond polititics and goes to respect for the Office of the President of the United States. I personally take offense to the lack of respect this man shows to the office he holds. Glen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10050	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: offense

Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in American public life. Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair leg and a genital organ. Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would seem to be more your speed. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10051	From: Daniel Neumayer	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Please everyone, let's stop this thread now. I take offense at all of this. I take offense at the photo (I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. I take offense at Rush Limbaugh and his insulting manner. I take offense at the original post to our train list. ( I recognize this may have be unthinking on the part of the sender.) And I take offense at the insulting reply. I don't think any of this belongs on our train list. Let's please stop. Thank you, Daniel Neumayer >Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > >I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, >especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in >American public life. > >Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair >leg and a genital organ. > >Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would >seem to be more your speed. > >Tom Jarcho > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10052	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse-Solution??

Joe: great stuff. You and your friend are to be congratulated, both for your work and for your spirit of inquiry. I love it.. What I wonder about is if these badly warped commutators could have rotated on the armature shaft to produce the faster in reverse phenomenon. Do you and he have any way to measure that? My knowledge of electric motors is limited, but I know that the commutators are originally set in relationship to the coils so that the motor will run faster in forward, and this setting is very important. Also, you say that your jig for removing the commutator only works if you unwind the coils first. Did you replace the commutators on any problem armatures without rewinding them, or did you rewind all of these? And by the way, what size wire and how many turns do you use? Also, what about just turning down the commutator on a lathe, soldering a copper washer over the remains of the new plate, turning THAT down to the correct size, and re-cutting the slots. Would that work? Keep it up. It would be great to have some replacement commutators available. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10053	From: Euell Johnson	Date: 10/27/2000
Subject: Re: offense

I am a died in the wool CONSERVATIVE. This stuff does not belong on a hobby board. This is simplt the wrong forum for that kind of post. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Neumayer" <daniel@...> To: <jarcho@...> Cc: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] offense > Please everyone, let's stop this thread now. I take offense at all of > this. I take offense at the photo (I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat. I > take offense at Rush Limbaugh and his insulting manner. I take > offense at the original post to our train list. ( I recognize this > may have be unthinking on the part of the sender.) And I take offense > at the insulting reply. > > I don't think any of this belongs on our train list. Let's please stop. > > Thank you, > Daniel Neumayer > > > > >Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > > >I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, > >especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in > >American public life. > > > >Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair > >leg and a genital organ. > > > >Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would > >seem to be more your speed. > > > >Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10054	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Photos

>Subject: Layout photos > >After seeing all the talk about the photography about layouts, I would like >to add my 2 cents. As I am just getting back into my AF and doing some >scale models, it is very educational to see any type of layouts done. It >doesn't matter if it's black and white, motion pictures, or drawings. They >are all helpful to someone. I hope that more people will put their pictures >on line and include the site addresses to the e-groups. Hi guys, The above note appeared in the S-scale e-list recently. One of the really great things about model railroading in general, and especially S, is how willing people are to help, share information, be friendly, etc. The above note illustrates one of the needs that newcomers have, a need which I suspect all of us once had. Many of you already have layout photos on-line. Perhaps some of you are considering doing so in response to the above note. I request that all of you also consider making those photos, layout diagrams, and some text available to the Dispatch and the S-Gaugian. Your information will be helpful to newcomers, and enjoyed by the rest of us. If your layout is built to S-Mod standards, your information will be especially helpful to people who are looking for ideas for designing their modules. Photos of simple modules will inspire some; photos of complex modules will inspire others. Ted Larson In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10055	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Rush did not do this. He just passed on what a magazine printed. This magazine will be on the news stand in a week or so. BUT THIS DOES NOT BELONG ON OUR TRAIN LIST Larry Daniel Neumayer wrote: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10056	From: Robert Wight	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Turntable/Reproducer

To whom it may concern; A few months back when i was browsing in an antique shop, I spied an older portable windup phonograph. I paid 20 dollars cash, no tax. I took the reproducer off the tone arm and made a reproducer for a extra talking station I had that was missing one. It works just as good as the original. I allso took the turntable out and made a turntable for my new layout. For alignment i used a spring and ballbrearing indent system. One of the list members suggested to me once. Happy Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10057	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

I agree with this email 100%; what does slimey Limbaugh have to do with trains? Heck, i bet he was a Lionel kid! (don't know if that is true but I think it is a fine insult!) ----- Original Message ----- From: <jarcho@...> To: <S-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:05 AM Subject: [S-Trains] offense > Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, > especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in > American public life. > > Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair > leg and a genital organ. > > Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would > seem to be more your speed. > > Tom Jarcho > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10058	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense--enough already!!

OK, I think we've all covered almost every aspect of this particular subject, which, unless the gov't is going to tax our trains has very little to do with our enjoyment of the hobby. Back to playing with trains! To paraphrase Will Rogers, "I've never met a politician I can trust." BUT, there's a lot of S people I DO trust! This is a great group, conservative, liberal, or confused. ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10059	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Wonderful! You guys are offended by politics on the list, yet both of you take the opportunity to slam a political guy with your personal opinions. Sounds like you will accept politics on the list as long as it agrees with your opinions. Take care, Bill Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > I agree with this email 100%; what does slimey Limbaugh have to do with > trains? Heck, i bet he was a Lionel kid! (don't know if that is true but I > think it is a fine insult!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jarcho@...> > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:05 AM > Subject: [S-Trains] offense > > > Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > > > I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, > > especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in > > American public life. > > > > Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair > > leg and a genital organ. > > > > Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would > > seem to be more your speed. > > > > Tom Jarcho -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10060	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

It happens that here in Canada also there is a national election campaign under way, but so far our politicians have been taking care of the insults without any help from S-scalers. A message there somewhere? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10061	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: THEY'RE TOYS & MODELS

Hi Dave, I hope you don't get too much flack but Butler is right. Some people take the hobby too seriously. I love to run them but they are toys no matter how much time or detail. It's not like golf or football where the pros can make lots of money. Not like the olympics for gold metals. Yes some trains are worth lots to collectors who are paying lots to collect them. We're down in the rank and file with our glorified toys and my friends love to see my layout and remember their childhood. The memories are priceless. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10062	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse?

Tom, The armatures that I have (about 12) don't show any indication of being out of time regarding commutator offset. That sounds like a distinct possibility for another cause for the "Faster in Reverse Syndrome" though. The pul-mor disc type motors should measure 3/16" from the center of the (1/8") gap between the armature segments to the slot in the commutator face. That (3/16") offset is used for all of the pul-mor, disc type steam loco motors. On pre pul-mor motors, with wide (7/16") gaps between the segments, the slot is aligned with the edge of the armature plates. I'm told motors with drum type commutators are susceptible to the "faster in reverse" thing too but I don't know much about them. I replaced commutators on some armatures that I have rewound and on some that I did not. In other words, with and without windings. Your suggestion of soldering a new washer on top of an old, faulty, commutator plate is a very good one. You would only have to, first, remove (then later replace) the, small, bearing that sets atop the commutator plate in order to do that. (I'm thinking while typing and as David Dewey says, that can be dangerous!). You could leave the tabs on the original plate and that means that you wouldn't have to unsolder the winding ends. The new plate could be made to dimension before attaching it to the old one and you wouldn't need to include the hook up tabs on the new plate. I think that first I would widen the slots on the old plate in order to eliminate continuity in the wrong places between the (old & new) segments of the plates. Great idea, Tom!!! For small (1/2") motors, Barker's book calls for 11' of 26 ga. wire for armatures and 40'of 24 ga. for steamer fields. Bob Hannon (rewinding service) recommends 70-75 turns (counter-clockwise)of 27 ga. wire for armatures and 195 t0 208 turns of 24 ga. for fields. Large (3/4") motors use 50 turns of 25 ga. wire for armatures and 100 to 115 turns of 22 ga. wire for fields. I've tried both measuring and counting turns for winding and I like the turn count method best. Thanks for the great input, Tom. You've helped a bunch! Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10063	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Good reading this weekend............

Went down to the Post Office this morning and found my first issue of the NASG Dispatch and the December issue of CTT waiting for me. Ahhhhh yes,.....it will be a great weekend!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10064	From: michael prell	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense--enough already!!

>I was not going to respond to this gibberish and maybe I should not, but then again, why not. Look people. This is supposed to be a site dedicated to the love and promotion of a hobby centered around s guage toy trains. Why is it then that a small fringe group is allowed to infect this site with garbage that does not for ANY REASON WHAT SO EVER BELONG HERE? Want to talk politics? GO SOME WHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!PLEASE GO SOME WHERE ELSE AND ALLOW THE REST OF US TO GET ON WITH OUR HOBBY! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- David Dewey <djdewey@...> wrote: > OK, I think we've all covered almost every aspect of > this particular > subject, which, unless the gov't is going to tax our > trains has very little > to do with our enjoyment of the hobby. > Back to playing with trains! > To paraphrase Will Rogers, "I've never met a > politician I can trust." > BUT, there's a lot of S people I DO trust! > This is a great group, conservative, liberal, or > confused. ;-) > S' > David D. > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10065	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: CAIG Cleaners

Just looked in my new Antique Electronic Supply catalog (www.tubesandmore.com) . The Caig contact cleaning chemicals are available for below retail price. AES has a handling charge of $2.50 per order, plus shipping, and a minimum order of $10.00 that may be waived. They don't have the sample kit listed. This might work out to be a better deal, depending on what you want. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10066	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: It's just toys !!!

AMEN to Robert !!! It's just toys. And I'm one of the biggest kids I know !! What a neat experience for you as well as your neighbor's daughter. That is exactly what we love to hear when we display our modular layout at shows. We love having the kids get excited about the "toy" trains. That's why parents like our layout better than the other scales' layouts. The other groups don't want the kids to get near their trains for fear of damage. We encourage the kids (big one's too) to come close and ooh and ah, push the whistle button, etc. We are even considering making shorter legs for our modules so that the layout sits lower where the kids can get a better look. Robert has the right idea. Thanks David for the post. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10067	From: judy messinger	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Faster in Reverse?

Tom, The armatures that I have (about 12) don't show any indication of being out of time regarding commutator offset. That sounds like a distinct possibility for another cause for the "Faster in Reverse Syndrome" though. The pul-mor disc type motors should measure 3/16" from the center of the (1/8") gap between the armature lobes to the slot in the commutator face. That (3/16") offset is used for all of the pul-mor, disc type steam loco motors. On pre pul-mor motors, with wider (7/16") gaps between the lobes, the slot is aligned with the (right) edge of the armature lobe. I'm told motors with drum type commutators are susceptible to the "faster in reverse" thing too but, I'm afraid, I don't know much about them. I replaced commutators on some armatures that I have rewound and on some that I have not. In other words, with and without windings. Your suggestion of soldering a new washer on top of an old, faulty, commutator plate is a very good one. You would only have to, first, remove (then later replace) the, small, bearing that sets atop the commutator plate in order to do that. (I'm thinking while typing and as David Dewey says, that can be dangerous!). You could leave the tabs on the original plate and that means that you wouldn't have to unsolder the winding ends. The new plate could be made to dimension before attaching it to the old one and you wouldn't need to include the hook up tabs on the new plate. I think that first I would widen the slots on the old plate in order to eliminate continuity in the wrong places between the (old & new) segments of the plates. Great idea, Tom!!! For small (1/2") motors, Barker's book calls for 11' of 26 ga. wire for armatures and 40'of 24 ga. for steamer fields. Bob Hannon (rewinding service) recommends 70-75 turns (counter-clockwise)of 27 ga. wire for armatures and 195 t0 208 turns of 24 ga. for fields. Large (3/4") motors use 50 turns of 25 ga. wire for armatures and 100 to 115 turns of 22 ga. wire for fields. I've tried both measuring and counting turns for winding and I like the turn count method best. Thanks for the great input, Tom. You've helped a bunch! Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10068	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Who opened the door to the discussion? Someone trying to achieve their agenda...the door shouldn't have been opened, but once the message is started it is only fair to tell you that your opinion is not universal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> To: <S-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] offense > Wonderful! You guys are offended by politics on the list, yet both of > you take the opportunity to slam a political guy with your personal > opinions. Sounds like you will accept politics on the list as long as it > agrees with your opinions. > > Take care, > Bill > > > Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > > > I agree with this email 100%; what does slimey Limbaugh have to do with > > trains? Heck, i bet he was a Lionel kid! (don't know if that is true but I > > think it is a fine insult!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <jarcho@...> > > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:05 AM > > Subject: [S-Trains] offense > > > > > Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > > > > > I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with politics, > > > especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting slimeball in > > > American public life. > > > > > > Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a chair > > > leg and a genital organ. > > > > > > Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys would > > > seem to be more your speed. > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > -- > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10069	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Howdy Jeffery My opinion is that you two guys who complain about politics on the list should NOT also include your own political opinions. I call that hypocritical. But, as you say, my opinion is not universal, so I suppose some folks enjoy political statements issued by the same folks complaining about them. I'll not say another thing about hyprocracy since it offends. Take care, Bill Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > Who opened the door to the discussion? Someone trying to achieve their > agenda...the door shouldn't have been opened, but once the message is > started it is only fair to tell you that your opinion is not universal. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] offense > > > Wonderful! You guys are offended by politics on the list, yet both of > > you take the opportunity to slam a political guy with your personal > > opinions. Sounds like you will accept politics on the list as long as it > > agrees with your opinions. > > > > Take care, > > Bill > > > > > > Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > > > > > I agree with this email 100%; what does slimey Limbaugh have to do with > > > trains? Heck, i bet he was a Lionel kid! (don't know if that is true > but I > > > think it is a fine insult!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <jarcho@...> > > > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:05 AM > > > Subject: [S-Trains] offense > > > > > > > Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > > > > > > > I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with > politics, > > > > especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting > slimeball in > > > > American public life. > > > > > > > > Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a > chair > > > > leg and a genital organ. > > > > > > > > Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys > would > > > > seem to be more your speed. > > > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > -- > > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10070	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: s gauge

I am new to this site and have a lot of questions. My wife and I collect Dept 56 houses and have three O-gauge trains MTH & Lionel running through them on Atlas track 72" turns. We think s-scale would look better on the porcelain section of our display as these houses are smaller and o-scale trains would overpower our village. This section will be in a separate room from the other. Questions: What is the difference between high rail and scale? What track do you recomend? Would you try to find AF or would you go to new products? Who makes trains depicting the thirties in S ? Will AF run on the Showcase line track? What is the minimum radius needed to run big steam locos(like the AF 4-8-4)? Which is better AC or DC? If I go DC can I do anything to allow an AF train to run on it? How much of a nightmare is it to have two loops connected by a single track? (in O this is easy) Well I'm sorry for all the questions but would appreciate any help or advice I can get.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10071	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: Flyer Big Wheels (not politicians)

Hi, Just a simpleton matter for those who may appreciate it. Realized that a bad "Pulmor" tire can wreak havoc with the way a Flyer Steamer can track and/or roll. I just had such a case and thought the worst (bad wheel etc?). So...if your engine (with Pulmor tires) wobbles or just runs poorly, check the tires at eye level. Any rips or unlevel surfacing will do it. I stripped off the tire on the bad side, and the engine immediately ran 95% better even with the remaining tire unbalancing the other side. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10072	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/28/2000
Subject: AF trivia....

Ok,...I'll be honest here, I'm just looking for an excuse to be the 400th post for the month of October!! Came across a term, "New Directronic Propulsion Locomotive". I know most of you know this, and I know now what it is, but when I first read it, it kinda threw me for a loop! Hope to be at chat Sunday night,...if my five year old will let me play with MY computer!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10073	From: Peck	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: S in Canada

<It happens that here in Canada also there is a national election campaign under way> Who's running for Prime Minister, or isn't that part of this year's election???? I heard that an S-gauger, Gilles Pepin, is campaigning for that office....................? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10074	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: S Fest

Went to my first S Fest. I was in awe. I had previously only been to shows where S had maybe a few tables as part of the masses of H & O stuff. Fortunately, I didn't bring enough cash to buy all I wanted. It's been many years since I had seen that much working S equipment and accessories altogether on one layout in person. thanks to all those who made it possible.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10075	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: looking for flyer HO reference

thanks to all for returning to appropraite discussions. I am thinking about integrating some flyer HO into my s layout or nearby. I am not sure how much is out there. Is there a good reference for this. I appologize for this non "s" but related request.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10076	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: CAIG Cleaners

Tom - I have been using Caig old and new versions for over ten years. It works. The other stuff out there isn't close. If you buy a few extra and let someone see you "repair" a motor with one squirt and "repair" the reverse unit with another squirt. They will try to buy any extra can you have in sight. It happens to me everytime I fix a choo choo with the owner watching. The first one to buy is DEOXIT D5. It is $7.90 each or $7.50 each in 12+ from New Sensor Corporation, 20 Cooper Square, New York, NY 10003 TEL 212 529 0466 FAX 212 529 0486 Email: sales@... Web: www.newsensor.com The DEOXIT D5 replaces their "Cramolin" which is discontinued due to EPA rules. I first used it when I found it in the shop where my company maintained audio and video equipment as well as building computers for the movie folks. I believe I have used it on whistle and horn generators as well after cleaning the contacts with an extremely fine abrasive that is sold to clean patch bay plugs. Audio is usually 1 volt or less so the contacts have to be clean to work at all. BTW - As I closed the catalog I read "Wholesale Dealer". If they won't sell direct, I'll be happy to send a single can for $10.00 plus $3.20 priority post. Message: 11 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:37:41 -0400 From: jarcho@... Subject: CAIG Cleaners Just looked in my new Antique Electronic Supply catalog (www.tubesandmore.com) . The Caig contact cleaning chemicals are available for below retail price. AES has a handling charge of $2.50 per order, plus shipping, and a minimum order of $10.00 that may be waived. They don't have the sample kit listed. This might work out to be a better deal, depending on what you want. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10077	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: s gauge

Hi Bud, Chris Burger here with some answers to your questions. 1.Hi-rail uses toy trains with real scenery ,scale house,toy accessories, maybe scale looking trains on larger size track. It's a mix and match. The best of both worlds. 2.I started using Gargraves track on my Hi-Rail Dept.56 Christmas layout, so I will start changing over gradually to the new S-Helper Track.( This IS Great Stuff). I also a new dealer for S-Helper. 3.I think a combination of old and new work very well together Bud. I am using American Flyer Steamers, and the newer American models and S-Helper Engines and cars. (Again, GREAT Stuff) 4.&2 inch radius gargraves is great for my 4-8-4 engine. Smooth turning with little wear and tear on the tires. 5.American Flyer does run on S-helper track very well. Old flyer will run on AC or DC as long as it is not an engine with the letters dc after the number. The old flyer trains have universal motors which will allow you to run both AC or DC. Kind of a neat feature. 6. <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/">Click here: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS</A> this is a website with my AF trains and Dept. 56. Let me know what you think. If I can help you out anymore let me know. Good luck Bud and Have Fun. If the click on here doesn't work go to www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10078	From: starr007	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s guage

Recently there was a magazine article in one of the train magazines, Classic Toy Trains, S Guagian, or somewhere concerning adding s guage trucks to the 027 Burlington Northern Industrial Rail caboose. Does anyone remember seeing this article and if so , which magazine was it in? Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10079	From: Bob Hawley	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe me. I've tried to do it via the "unsubscribe" address, but it isn't taking. No hard feelings against anyone on this. Just can't keep up with the volume of mail. thanks, bob hawley mt. angel, oregon Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10080	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Sunday Chat

Hi guys, I will not be able to attend tonights chat. Have fun and some one drop me a line on all the latest gossip. Tom Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10081	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, October 29, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10082	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense

our reponse is based on something you started, which should not have been started in the first place. You would not KNOW my opinion if you hadn't felt that you needed to share your opinion. What is your opinion on trains anyway? I like S trains. If I wanted Rush Limbaugh information I'm sure he has his own web site. ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> To: "Jeffery L Tarleton" <jeffery.tarleton@...>; "9 - S-Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] offense > Howdy Jeffery > > My opinion is that you two guys who complain about politics on the list > should NOT also include your own political opinions. I call that > hypocritical. But, as you say, my opinion is not universal, so I suppose > some folks enjoy political statements issued by the same folks > complaining about them. > > I'll not say another thing about hyprocracy since it offends. > > Take care, > Bill > > > Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > > > Who opened the door to the discussion? Someone trying to achieve their > > agenda...the door shouldn't have been opened, but once the message is > > started it is only fair to tell you that your opinion is not universal. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade" <wadepub@...> > > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:11 AM > > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] offense > > > > > Wonderful! You guys are offended by politics on the list, yet both of > > > you take the opportunity to slam a political guy with your personal > > > opinions. Sounds like you will accept politics on the list as long as it > > > agrees with your opinions. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with this email 100%; what does slimey Limbaugh have to do with > > > > trains? Heck, i bet he was a Lionel kid! (don't know if that is true > > but I > > > > think it is a fine insult!) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <jarcho@...> > > > > To: <S-trains@egroups.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:05 AM > > > > Subject: [S-Trains] offense > > > > > > > > > Glen , I looked at the photograph. I definitely take offense. > > > > > > > > > > I take offense at you polluting our beautiful S-trains list with > > politics, > > > > > especially Rush Limbaugh politics. He is the most disgusting > > slimeball in > > > > > American public life. > > > > > > > > > > Neither he nor you seems to be able to tell the difference between a > > chair > > > > > leg and a genital organ. > > > > > > > > > > Frankly, I'm amazed that you like American Flyer trains. Pull toys > > would > > > > > seem to be more your speed. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > -- > > > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > > > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > > > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > > > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > > > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > > > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > -- > =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer > Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10083	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s gu

Der JR, The next S Gaugian (advance copies were at the S Fest) has a new article about this conversion. Don Thompson starr007 wrote: > Recently there was a magazine article in one of the train magazines, Classic Toy Trains, S Guagian, or somewhere concerning adding s guage trucks to the 027 Burlington Northern Industrial Rail caboose. Does anyone remember seeing this article and if so , which magazine was it in? Thanks, J.R. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10084	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: S in Canada

Dear Doug, Gilles is one of our customers and is looking for one of our extended vision C&NW caboose. Don Thompson Peck wrote: > <It happens that here in Canada also there is a national election campaign > under way> > > Who's running for Prime Minister, or isn't that part of this year's > election???? > I heard that an S-gauger, Gilles Pepin, is campaigning for that > office....................? > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10085	From: Mr V Kosobiecki	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s gu

April, 2000 Dispatch Page 16 & 17 Hope that helps Vin ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> To: starr007 <starr007@...> Cc: S Trains <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] magazine article on Industrial Rail caboose conversion to s guage > Der JR, > The next S Gaugian (advance copies were at the S Fest) has a new article about this conversion. > Don Thompson > > starr007 wrote: > > > Recently there was a magazine article in one of the train magazines, Classic Toy Trains, S Guagian, or somewhere concerning adding s guage trucks to the 027 Burlington Northern Industrial Rail caboose. Does anyone remember seeing this article and if so , which magazine was it in? Thanks, J.R. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10086	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Chat tonite

Hi all, Well, we had a great chat for about an hour and a half, then the Yahoo system hicupped, dumped most of us and locked the door to the room! OH well, was fun while it lasted. Maybe Paul can find out what happened? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10087	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense

The thing that gets me, with the slim ball that in the white house now, is these idiots ask me if I am not not better off now than I was seven years ago. The answer is a BIG NO. The first thing he did was raise my income tax and the last thing he has done is raise my gasoline to almost 2 dollars a gallon and this is not counting the things he has done in between to us. I think I prefer S Scale but I do not have room for any models at this time Larry Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > our reponse is based on something you started, which should not have

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10088	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: Chat tonite

"David Dewey" wrote: (((( Hi all,Well, we had a great chat for about an hour and a half, then the Yahoo system hicupped, dumped most of us and locked the door to the room! OH well,was fun while it lasted. Maybe Paul can find out what happened? S'David D.)))) I wondered where everyone was! I came in late, thought the time change messed up you all!! Oh well, back to BBQing and putting up more Halloween lights outside!! Rick. Boooooooo!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10089	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense

I feel that I am better off now than I was 8 years ago. I now have heavywieght passenger cars, PS-2 covered hoppers (2 and 3 bay), drop bottom GS gondolas, GP-35's, a NYC H-10b 2-8-2, new PA-1s, SW-9s, SW-1s, stock cars, rebuilt boxcars, USRA single sheathed boxcars, PRR H-39 open top hoppers, PRR steamline K-4 4-6-2 pacific, Gunderson stand alone container cars (with 40', 45', 48' & 53' containers), PFE R-40-23 reefers, GP-30's, NWX 40' wooden billboard reefers, USRA 2 bay open top hoppers, GSC 53' standad flatcars, bulkhead flatcars & TOFC's with 2 types of trailers, B&O presidnets class 4-6-2 pacific, SD-60's (Overland's), USRA 2 bay panel side hoppers, PRR round roof boxcars (both 40' and 50'), 175 truss bridge, .........and yes Larry, even new type 27? tank cars. Don Thompson lawrence jackman wrote: > The thing that gets me, with the slim ball that in > the white house now, is these idiots ask me if I > am not not better off now than I was seven years > ago. The answer is a BIG NO. The first thing he > did was raise my income tax and the last thing he > has done is raise my gasoline to almost 2 dollars > a gallon and this is not counting the things he > has done in between to us. > I think I prefer S Scale but I do not have room > for any models at this time > Larry > > Jeffery L Tarleton wrote: > > > > our reponse is based on something you started, which should not have > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10090	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: s gauge

See comments below: "Harold (Bud) Lancaster" wrote: > > I am new to this site and have a lot of questions. My wife and I > collect Dept 56 houses and have three O-gauge trains MTH & Lionel > running through them on Atlas track 72" turns. We think s-scale > would look better on the porcelain section of our display as these > houses are smaller and o-scale trains would overpower our village. > This section will be in a separate room from the other. Questions: > What is the difference between high rail and scale? Very little. Scale runs on code 100 (.1" tall)or smaller rail and has small flanged wheels. Hirail runs on code 125 or 148 (.125" or .148" tall) rail and has larger flanges on the wheels. I guess I'd include Gargraves track in the hirail category though the rail us quite oversize. "Tinplate" runs on Flyer track and has the original Flyer large flanged wheels. > What track do you recomend? The best looking track for your village is probably the S Helper Service track. It's a little pricey and switches weren't yet available last time I checked. It's good looking with molded on ballast and is fine if you want a loop without switches. An alternate is American Models but it needs ballast and good mounting. Plus side is a full line of sectional and flex, with switches, is available. > Would you try to find AF or would you go to new products? The new products in hirail are the way to go. Figure $40 or less per car and they're vastly superior to Flyer. If you get a bargain on a piece of Flyer use it. Best value for motive power is used Flyer steam engines. New AM or SHS diesels are excellent for $150-200 each. > Who makes trains depicting the thirties in S ? Both SHS and AM, plus Crown, Pacific Rail Shops kits, and DesPlains Hobby are some that come to mind. > Will AF run on the Showcase line track? Yes > What is the minimum radius needed to run big steam locos(like the AF > 4-8-4)? Will run on Flyer standard 19" radius track but looks much better on wider radius. > Which is better AC or DC? It's a trade-off. I use both by switching power supplies. AC allows modern engines from AM with sound. Either runs about the same. DC allows engines to avoid reversing units which can be bothersome if not well maintained. > If I go DC can I do anything to allow an AF train to run on it? All Flyers run on DC. Even the sequence reverse units work on DC, but may stick a little more if not well maintained. > How much of a nightmare is it to have two loops connected by a single > track? (in O this is easy) You need a relay to switch polarity coming out of a reverse loop. This would require some wiring knowledge but is not rocket science. > Well I'm sorry for all the questions but would appreciate any help or > advice I can get. Glad to help! > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10091	From: starr007	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Industrial Rail caboose article

Thanks to all of you for the response to my question. I have ordered a Santa Fe caboose and some caboose trucks and couplers from S Helper service. I will let you know how this project turns out when I am through. Thanks again for your help, J. R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10092	From: Jacques Ollivier	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill help needed

Hi guys, I got most of a sawmill and bought reproduction parts. The only part that I couldn't find was the shaft (or whatever it is) that attaches the lever & actuator assembly to the log car assembly. I used a small piece of dowel for a while, but now it gets cockeyed and binds up the works. I tried to support it with spacers and washers, but it still binds. Does anyone have any good ideas? Anyone have that part from a junker that I could buy? Does anyone know someone who reproduced them? My lumber car is waiting! Jacques

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10093	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: Chat tonite

Halloween!!!!! The day we teach our children to be criminals. To bad they don't stay home and play with the trains Larry Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > >Oh well, back to BBQing and putting up > more Halloween lights outside!! > > Rick. Boooooooo! > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10094	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: offense

Only in the model railroad field could you come up with that idea. May be with the millions you are making from the models you do not care that the government is taking more from you. The rest of us are not that fortunate. (GRIN) (>: Larry :<) Robin Thompson wrote: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10095	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Enough is enough already

This site, which is really enjoyed, has been flooded with any political barbs, any Halloween statements, etc...nothing that has to do with American Flyer or S gauge trains. This is going on for DAYS now....enough already. Are you all that bored with the hobby?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10096	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill help

use a machine screw or stove bolt of the correct length. i think the proper size is 6/32. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10097	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: sawmill hjjelp

Sorry, Jacques. I forgot to add that you can chuck the screw or bolt in an electric drill or lathe and dull or remove the threads from the part that rubs against the slot in the plastic base. Wearing goggles of course. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10098	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/29/2000
Subject: Re: sawmill help

I do not think you mean a 6/32 screw. That is equal to 3/16. I think you mean a 6-32 screw. This is a screw that is .138" in dia with 32 threads per inch. Larry jarcho@... wrote:

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10099	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Train Orders

Hi All, I have seen movies of freight trains going past a station, a worker comes out of the station with orders on a long stick that are picked up by the engineer or fireman as it travels through on the fly. What was that person on the ground called and what was the office called? Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10100	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Train Orders

Operator. Telegraph office. Larry Wayne and Alice Beachy wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have seen movies of freight trains going past a station, a worker comes out of the station with orders on a long stick that are picked up by the engineer or fireman as it travels through on the fly. What was that person on the ground called and what was the office called? > > Wayne Beachy > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > Virginia Central Division > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10101	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars

Hello Boys! Hot from the S Fest! I've uploaded some pictures in the "Files" area of the list of American Models new streamline passenger cars. Look in the AM_Budd_Car folder. There is a folder in both S-Trains and S-Scale. The cars are 74' long,(I know, too short for some scale guys), have interiors, 3-bulb lighting, diecast frame and trucks, flush windows, and separately applied grab irons and diaphragms. Cars will be available in 4-car sets: RPO,Coach, Diner and Observation. Extra coaches will be available with thee different numbers. Cars will be available as bright silver painted or chromed. Initial roadnames: Baltimore & Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rock Island, Santa Fe and Southern. Prices are listed as follows: 4-car set painted: 289.95 4-car set chromed: 319.95 extra coaches painted: 74.95 extra coaches chromed: 83.95 Ron's handout says the tooling is complete and the cars are being decorated now, with likely delivery in January. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10102	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars

Whoops! Forgot to mention: Also available roadname, Atlantic Coast Line. Plus the figures shown in the interiors are NOT included. They look like the MTH figures, though. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10103	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 798

I am trying to find out the dates of the Cal-Stewart train shows in Calf. for 2001, I would appreciate it if someone can send them to me at grdobbs@... Thanks Jerry Lakewood, Colo. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10104	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: More New Stuff Seen at the S-Fest

It's me again... In addition to the new AM Budd cars, other new things seen at the Fest: S-Helper Service: Had operating samples of their new S-Trax turnout. Love the illumminated switch stand. The F-3 looks better and better. Worth the wait. Roadnames I remember for the double-sheath USRA boxcar: C&NW, GN, NYC, TH&B, B&M. Another MP "Eagle Merchandise Service" USRA rebuilt boxcar. Looks like CB&Q and Santa Fe "El Capitan" reefers are coming next year. River Raisin: Pilot model of the magnificent UP turbine. S Scale Locomotive and Supply: Displayed etched brass samples of frame parts for a CN 2-6-0 kit. A prototype for this loco is at Strasburg. American HiRail: Displayed the Trainmaster body for PHM. Is also working on a Gas-Electric(doodlebug) and an Aero-Train. Also had a sample of a 50's Talgo-Train that is under consideration. Well, that's about all I can remember, be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10105	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 798

..whats a Cal-Steward train show??? Thanks, Wayne Gerald R Dobbs wrote: > > I am trying to find out the dates of the Cal-Stewart train shows in > Calf. for 2001, > I would appreciate it if someone can send them to me at grdobbs@... > > Thanks Jerry Lakewood, Colo. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10106	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars

Well, I'll be damned. Are these things RTR? Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10107	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars

Yes, they are. Rich G. busy-boy@... wrote: > > Well, I'll be damned. > Are these things RTR? > Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10108	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Transformers

Here's an update from all the good research many of you sent me. I've gone to a more cryptic format, but hopefully it's one you can all read OK. The order of information on each unit is - - model #, rated voltages found, actual voltages measured (with rated voltage in ( ) for models with multiple ratings), rated wattage, carbon roller or metal scraper, notes or comments. If you can fill in any blanks, please send me the data. Thanks. Also, I took a stab at carbon rollers versus metal scraper. Please send me corrections/additions to that as well. Thanks. PS One of most noteworthy is the 18B, which while rated at 15v, generates 19v. Seems these should have been rated at 18v. 1 1/2B, 16v, ____v actual, 50W, scraper, I believe some 75w units are around. 4B, 15 or 16v, 17.2 v (15v) ____v (16v), 100w, scraper. 8B, 15v, 16.1v actual, 100w, ______. 12B, 15v, 15.6v actual, 250w, scrapers (2). 15B, 15v or 16v, 16.7v (15v) _____v (16v), 110w, roller. 16B, 15v or 18v, 16.9v (15v) 19v (18v), 175w or 190w, roller. 17B, 15v, 16.89v actual, 190w, roller. 18B, 15v, 19v actual, 175w, roller. 19B, 15v, ____v actual, 300w, roller. 30B, 15v or 18v, _____v (15v) 18.9v (18v), 300w, rollers (2). 22035, 17v, 19v or 19.5v actual, 175w, _______. 22060, 18v, 19.91v actual, 175w, _______. 22090, 17v, _____v actual, 350w, _______. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10109	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: S-fest report

S-fest report Just returned from the 25th S-fest and just want to say that the hosting Badgerland S Gaugers did a great job. There were about 500 registrants, including family members. For the first time, the fest proper was held away from a hotel, so we all had to drive back-and-forth to the site. Although this apparently helped keep housing costs down, it was somewhat inconvenient. There were many tables filled with vintage Flyer and Plasticville, with prices continuing to be high for all but the most common pieces. There were also several parts suppliers and a number of manufactures, including S Helper and American Models. Many dealers also were selling S Helper products, far fewer had AM. There were also a number of fun operating layouts. I entered the modeling contest for the first time, and although I did not win anything, I learned a lot about what the judge's were looking for. I did, however, win the "steam division" of the train races for the third time with my blue Docksider, and won overall for the first time! (My 2 boys were thrilled). The banquet had surprisingly good food. Andy Jugle showed the traditional Joe McDokes film and Don Heimberger spoke on the history S and S-fest. One nice moment was when all of the those who attended the first S-fest gathered together for a photo. We visited two layouts on Sunday. Dave (Smokey) Smukowski had a great Flyer layout with many trains running simultaneously. He also has an extensive collection and a really neat garden railroad. At the other extreme of S-gauge railroading was Roy Meissner's scale layout. Absolutely fantastic models, many scratchbuilt, with great detail. We all had a great time, until my car broke down on the interstate on the way home. But that's another story.... -Roy Plotnick [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10110	From: Rick Evans	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Tin Plate Train FAQ

Not sure if this has been posted here before or not,..I found it by accident today. www.spikesys.com/modelrr/faq4.html Somethin' to check out if ya haven't already. Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10111	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: transformer

David, my 18b is the 190 watt version, 15 volt stated, 19 volt actual. Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10112	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: FALL S FEST BUDD CARS

Hi guys, There seems to be some confusion... I don't know how American Models web address got in the copy of my original post, but it's NOT in the original posting. Doubtless it was done by some well intentioned soul to help spread the word. But, if the cars would have been on AM's page, I would have then included AM's link. I checked AM's web site before sent my original post. I just double checked, and AM DOESN'T have the new Budd cars there yet. The photo's I posted are in the "Files" area of the S-Trains and S-Scale egroups. Just trying to clear things up. Rich Gajnak gartrain@... wrote: > > Hi David, > > It would be best to ask Rich Gajnak > since I haven't seen them either. > > Glenn > > "Dalessandro, David L TL13C" wrote: > > What internet address do I go to > find the AM_Budd_Car folder.?? > > David Dalessandro > Sr. Distributed Computer Services Technician > Cigna Philadelphia Area LAN Operations > Phone: 1.215.761.1815 ; Net: 5.1815 > Fax: 1.215.761.4336 > > > > > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:49:07 -0600 > > From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> > > Subject: NEW! American Models Budd Passenger Cars > > > > Hello Boys! > > > > Hot from the S Fest! > > > > I've uploaded some pictures in the "Files" area of the list > > of > > American Models new streamline passenger cars. > > Go to: http://www.americanmodels.com > > > > Look in the AM_Budd_Car folder. There is a folder in both > > S-Trains and > > S-Scale. > > > > The cars are 74' long,(I know, too short for some scale > > guys), have > > interiors, 3-bulb lighting, diecast frame and trucks, flush > > windows, > > and separately applied grab irons and diaphragms. > > > > Cars will be available in 4-car sets: RPO,Coach, Diner and > > Observation. > > Extra coaches will be available with thee different numbers. > > > > Cars will be available as bright silver painted or chromed. > > > > Initial roadnames: Baltimore & Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rock > > Island, > > Santa Fe and Southern. > > > > Prices are listed as follows: > > 4-car set painted: 289.95 > > 4-car set chromed: 319.95 > > > > extra coaches painted: 74.95 > > extra coaches chromed: 83.95 > > > > Ron's handout says the tooling is complete and the cars are > > being > > decorated now, with likely delivery in January. > > > > Be seeing you... > > Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10113	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: AM Budd Cars

They look great in the Pennsy paint scheme. I must have a set in Chrome!!!!!! Dave Dalessandro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10114	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Talk about arrogance

A few months ago I sent a proposal with some sample photos of the prototype to MR magazine for a scratch build project. They wrote back that they were interested so I wrote the article, took photos of the prototype, secured permission from the owner to use the photos since he had a patent on the item, (that took several months and phone calls), built the model and took photos of that. Finally I got everything together and sent the article and all the photos in to MR. Their response was they do not do articles on "3 rail", and suggested I send the article to CTT. I would attach his e-mail, but that does not work on this list. Either this editor is very ignorant about trains or very arrogant. I just sent him another e-mail informing him that S Gauge was not 3 rail. I do model in hi-rail but I would be willing to borrow an S scale car and re-shoot the picture if that is what he required. I just thought the project would be of interest to people who model in all scales, not just S. No wonder I send most of my articles to S periodicals. We are not understood by outsiders. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10115	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: arrogance

I told you so ! See my post from 4/15/99," MR/Walthers". Some people didn't like it , but I was telling the truth then and it's just as true now. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10116	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: FALL S FEST BUDD CARS

So all we have to do is go to this link: http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/AM_Budd_Cars/ Thanks Rich for loading the pictures..

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10117	From: Jeffery L Tarleton	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: unsubscribe me!

I didn't get on this list to get involved with a petty argument over rush limbaugh; please unsubscribe me. thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10118	From: Peck	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: Sawmill

<The only part that I couldn't find was the shaft (or whatever it is) that attaches the lever & actuator assembly to the log car assembly. I used a small piece of dowel for a while, but now it gets cockeyed and binds up the works. I tried to support it with spacers and washers, but it still binds. Does anyone have any good ideas?> When WE sell the repro log cart, we supply a shaft for it. We use a short length of brass tubing (most hobby shops carry the K&E metal products line), and just etch a small indentation in it at the proper point to attach a C-clip to hold it in place. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10119	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: Re: unsubscribe me! (It's not a bad list)

On 10/30/00 8:36 PM, Jeffery L Tarleton, jeffery.tarleton@..., said: >I didn't get on this list to get involved with a petty argument over rush >limbaugh; please unsubscribe me. thanks Jeffery, I can understand if you still want to leave. But this is a "GOOD" list. Really. As with all mail lists, there is the occasional deviation from the topic, but it really is minimal. For the most part, this is an excellent group of people who REALLY care about S-Gauge, American Flyer, and good wholesome train fun. I've been on the list for almost 2 years, and I have mostly enjoyed it. I have learned ALOT about S-Gauge. When the crap hits the list, I just delete it, or sometimes, browse it, ignore it, then delete it. If you really like "S", this is the place to be. Just ignore the "street" people and the occasional (sometimes even well intentioned) misdirection. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10120	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/30/2000
Subject: street people???

Street people??? I don't understand that one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10121	From: michael prell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???

I might be wrong and usually am, but I think the term "Street People" may refer to those undesirable folks who one would not invite to one's dinner reception. It ain't a very nice thing to be called. Sadly, it isn't very kind to a group of our citizens who are in really bad shape physically, emotionally and financially. A better, kinder term such as mal-content could have possibly been used. Clearly, the term shows a wide degree in insensitivity. But then again, I could be wrong and probably am! --- jarcho@... wrote: > Street people??? > > I don't understand that one. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10122	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???

Homeless who live on the streets Larry jarcho@... wrote: > > Street people??? > > I don't understand that one. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10123	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: street people???

You left out mentally which is what most street people are. They are the ones our liberal courts kicked out of our mental hospitals because it was wrong to keep them in there where they could be taken care of. Larry michael prell wrote: >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10124	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Question on American HiRail:

Are there any Pictures out there to see what American HiRail is designing, how do we contact them for Purchase information, Are these Brass, Diecast or Resin? Displayed the Trainmaster body for PHM. Is also working on a Gas-Electric(doodlebug) and an Aero-Train. Also had a sample of a 50's Talgo-Train that is under consideration. Thanks Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10125	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801

For those not familiar with the Cal- Stewart Meets, they are Tinplate shows held some time in Feb. @ San Jose Calf., and in Nov. @ Pasadena Calf., Hosted by TTOS, and Named in memory for Mr. Stewart who was the main push of the shows for many years. The shows I have attended in the past were excellent, quite a selection of flyer shows up at this meet. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10126	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: TTOS SHOW

There will be a TTOS show Nov. 12, 2000 in Pasadena at the Pasadena Convention Center, west bldg, 300 E. Green St. Hrs. 10:00 a.m. -2p.m. 40,000 sq. ft. of trains Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10127	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801

Gerald and all, When is the Cal Sturart meet in November? I will be in Palm Springs the first weekend of November. Thanks, Wayne Gerald R Dobbs wrote: > > For those not familiar with the Cal- Stewart Meets, they are Tinplate > shows held some time in Feb. @ San Jose Calf., and in Nov. @ Pasadena > Calf., Hosted by TTOS, and Named in memory for Mr. Stewart who was the > main push of the shows for many years. The shows I have attended in the > past were excellent, quite a selection of flyer shows up at this meet. > > Jerry 77-11644 > ________________________________________________________________ >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10128	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: TTOS SHOW

Is that one in Pasadena also called Cal Stuart? I went to a show about the same weekend in Pasadena about 4 years ago...and there was a ton of Flyer there and also a HUGE wonderful AF layout. It was a huge show, and i was not expecting that. It must be the biggest show in the Fall on the west coast. What is the name of that show?? Wayne anormal1@... wrote: > > There will be a TTOS show Nov. 12, 2000 in Pasadena at the Pasadena > Convention Center, west bldg, 300 E. Green St. Hrs. 10:00 a.m. -2p.m. > > 40,000 sq. ft. of trains > Mike S. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10129	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: TTOS/CAL STUART

I checked with Gary, who I belive is pres. of TTOS ( Calif. anyway) The answer is yes this is also knowen as Cal Stuart. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10130	From: louis glumac	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: AFquestion

hi got some old flyer track sunday and in it waerd section i have never seen before, its on a black base with four rails,two inner rails are thinner and have power going to them from post,anyone know what this track is for? thanks lou. sorry no political comments from me. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10131	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: CAIG Cleaners

I have been using their Deoxit D5 and it's great. Now I see that they have something called R5 power booster which is also safe on plastics, evaporates quickly, and is nonflammable too. It sounds perfect for our purposes. What I was wondering was if anyone has tried their M260 or L260 lubricating pastes on armatures. Their description says they reduce sparking of commutator brushes. They have versions with copper, graphite, quartz, or no particles. Would any of these be useful to apply to AF armatures to get reduced sparking and better performance? Their web site is at http://www.caig.com --- Nick and Becky Colleran <colleran@...> wrote: > Tom - I have been using Caig old and new versions for over ten years. > It > works. The other stuff out there isn't close. If you buy a few extra > and let > someone see you "repair" a motor with one squirt and "repair" the > reverse > unit with another squirt. They will try to buy any extra can you have > in > sight. It happens to me everytime I fix a choo choo with the owner > watching. > > The first one to buy is DEOXIT D5. It is $7.90 each or $7.50 each in > 12+ > from New Sensor Corporation, 20 Cooper Square, New York, NY 10003 > TEL 212 529 0466 FAX 212 529 0486 Email: sales@... > Web: www.newsensor.com > > The DEOXIT D5 replaces their "Cramolin" which is discontinued due to > EPA > rules. I first used it when I found it in the shop where my company > maintained > audio and video equipment as well as building computers for the movie > folks. > I believe I have used it on whistle and horn generators as well after > cleaning > the > contacts with an extremely fine abrasive that is sold to clean patch > bay plugs. > Audio is usually 1 volt or less so the contacts have to be clean to > work at > all. > > BTW - As I closed the catalog I read "Wholesale Dealer". If they > won't sell > direct, I'll be happy to send a single can for $10.00 plus $3.20 > priority post. > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:37:41 -0400 > From: jarcho@... > Subject: CAIG Cleaners > Just looked in my new Antique Electronic Supply catalog > (www.tubesandmore.com) . The Caig contact cleaning chemicals are > available for below retail price. AES has a handling charge of $2.50 > per > order, plus shipping, and a minimum order of $10.00 that may be > waived. > They don't have the sample kit listed. > This might work out to be a better deal, depending on what you want. > Tom Jarcho > > > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10132	From: Scott Holm	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: AFquestion

That's a 710 track section for use with the older operating cars with contacts under the trucks and between the wheels. I have a couple of 716 coal dump cars that use this track section (There are also 716's that use the familiar side rail pickup.) I was buying my first 716 from a hobby shop and nearby it was one of these track sections and I had no idea what it was, but I bought it anyway and later figured out that it went with the car that I bought. A lucky thing! --- louis glumac <lglumac@...> wrote: > hi got some old flyer track sunday and in it waerd section i have > never seen before, its on a black base with four rails,two inner > rails are thinner and have power going to them from post,anyone know > what this track is for? thanks lou. sorry no political comments from > me. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10133	From: Scott Brown	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 801

STOP !! Would all of you who are still taking pot shots at one another, including Jeffrey, Michael, Larry, Tom, please stop !!! We are starting a new thread around the words "street people" which I believe was meant for Tom. Just drop it. Please. I'm tired of having to delete all these posts. Back to S trains !!!!!!!!!!! Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10134	From: busy-boy	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Unsubscribing

If you feel that this list is intolerable because somebody went off topic, you can always unsubscribe. Every copy of the list has the instructions. I repeat them here: > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... People who write gripes ON the list, and post their desire to unsubscribe for all to see, are like would-be suicides who keep making threats to kill themselves, but who are really seeking attention. We don't need to cajole anyone to be here. This list needs no excuses. It requires no explanation. It just IS. Mostly it's on topic. Sometimes the minds wander. We police it ourselves and it all straightens out quite nicely. If you really can't take the heat, then get out of the dining car galley. To paraphrase Ben Kingsley: The list is life . . . in three-sixteenths scale. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10135	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: vote with your teeth

It seems that passions are high among some North Americans because it's an election year. That's all well and good, I guess, but please, don't bring that stuff onto s-list. We're trying to talk about S gauge trains here. If something is eating your lunch, you can go to an appropriate site and vent 'til you're bent. That's great. Just don't do it here. Michael W, your posting was totally inappropriate. We tried to explain to you that we don't want Rush Limbaugh type garbage, such as your last post contained, on this list. Larry, your second post was totally inappropriate (and untruthful as well). Don't stop, just do it someplace else please. Of course, the ultimate expression of your passion takes place in the voting booth. If you get really carried away, you can pull down those little levers with your teeth. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10136	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: S-Trains

Hey All: Lets get back to S-Trains and a few jokes on the side. By the way, I saw my first Halloween tree today. It was in the middle of the great pumpkin field with Charlie Brown kneeling beside it, crying.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10137	From: jarmstro@qwest.net	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: 322 tender trucks dragging

I dunno if I want to hear the answer to this one, but the problem is that the holes in the truck frames of a 322 tender seem to be worn large enough to allow the frames to drag on the track, causing intermittant shorting. How do you experts suggest I fix that one? The only idea I have right now is to somehow bush the things, or [Sigh!] replace 'em. Your ideas?? - Jim Armstrong

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10138	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: 322 tender trucks

Jim: yours is a relatively simple problem to solve as these things go. You can insert Ace #4050 bushings, which are inexpensive, into the axle holes. Most Flyer parts dealers carry them. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10139	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: MTH 2001 Book 1 Gilbert Accessories

As with the Coal Loader, which more than 50 persons from this list presently have on order from me, I will be carrying the three newly announced Gilbert accessories as announced in the MTH 2001 Catalog 1. However, the deadline for these orders is short, as dealer orders are due by November 10th. Therefore, I will need confirmation of your order by Wednesday, November 8th. These accessories, MTH item number, expected delivery date, retail price, and your price (plus shipping and handling) are: 30-9118 No. 600 Crossing Gate, Aug. 1, $79.95, your price: $68.00 30-9119 No. 787 Log Loader, Sept. 1, $199.95, your price: $180.00 30-9120 Lamplighter, Sept 1, $149.95, your delivered price: $140.00 Note that the No. 600 Crossing Gate appears to be more like a No. 592, but all appear to be faithful reproductions of Gilbert American Flyer accessories. NOTE: Again, the deadline for orders of these accessories is Wednesday, November 8th. Shipping and handling will be $6.00 for 1 item, plus $3.00 for each additional item. All 3 items, including shipping and handling, are $395.00. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10140	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: [off-topic] wasn't me

On 10/31/00 7:55 PM, jarcho@..., jarcho@..., said: >Michael W, your posting was totally inappropriate. We tried to explain to >you that we don't want Rush Limbaugh type garbage, such as your last post >contained, on this list. Tom, I didn't post anything about Limbaugh. Ever. Don't like him. But I want to end this thread too. I already answered you off list, but figured I should be allowed one more off-topic post to clear my name.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10141	From: David Dewey	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: Re: 322 tender trucks dragging

Jim, Yep, it happens. Most of the parts suppliers sell a little bushing just for this! At last a problem that is (relatively) easy to fix! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10142	From: M.McConnell	Date: 10/31/2000
Subject: SHS S-Trax Switches

At last months Central Jersey S Get-Together, I managed to take a couple of pictures of S-Helper's new switch for the S-Trax system. Don had a test shot of the switch available for inspection. They look pretty good to me! If you want a peek, the pictures are in the files section at: http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Trax+Switches/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10143	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: SHS S-Trax Switches

Dear Mike, Thank you for posting these. The only change is in the wiring. It will be replaced with 24 gauge wire. Don T. "M.McConnell" wrote: > At last months Central Jersey S Get-Together, I managed to take a couple of > pictures of S-Helper's new switch for the S-Trax system. Don had a test > shot of the switch available for inspection. They look pretty good to me! > > If you want a peek, the pictures are in the files section at: > > http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Trax+Switches/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10144	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Question on American HiRail

Dave Dalessandro wrote: > Are there any Pictures out there to see what American HiRail is designing, > how do we contact them for Purchase information, Are these Brass, Diecast or > Resin? Dave, American HiRail products are cast in resin. The owner, Tom Hodgeson can be difficult to contact due to his real-time job as a corporate pilot. I usually only see him at an S Fest. I took some pictures of the Aero Train and Talgo Train, but I'll have to upload them tomorrow, as my picture floppy is at home. Tom usually make bodies only, and also makes repro's of Flyer diesels. He occasionally make a complete locomotive, like his E7 of a few years ago. Most of his stuff is designed to use Flyer drive mechanisms. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10145	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: New photos added

Today I uploaded 46 photo's to my Missouri Pacific web page. Mostly freight cars of other roads. Only 1 MP caboose. Just look for the new icon next to the wording. Enjoy! Also some BNSF MoW stuff. http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/ -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10146	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Erie reefer

For those that are interested and have not heard.... Buffalo Creek Graphics plans to make a limited run of Erie - Buffalo & South-Western reefers. The car will feature yellow sides with boxcar red roof and ends, black letter, and bright red and white Erie herald. They plan to make between 25 - 30 cars in S � possibly in 2 car numbers - and estimate the cost to be about $40 each. These are Crown Models reefers with scale and hi-rail wheelsets. For additional information or to reserve your Erie car, contact Tom Gascoigne at: Buffalo Creek Graphics, 214 Norwalk Avenue, Buffalo, NY 14216-2442, phone 716-836-1478. Gregg Mummert gmummert@... S Gauge - the only way to Fly(er)! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10147	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: New TM Guide

Can anyone on the list who has one of the New TM AF Guide Book give me the ISBN number if it has one. . Thanks AL ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10148	From: David Garber	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: new TM guide

ISBN#is 0-937522-70-8

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10149	From: Peck	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail

<Are there any Pictures out there to see what American HiRail is designing, how do we contact them for Purchase information, Are these Brass, Diecast or Resin? > All their shells are resin. Good luck contacting him! We've removed all his products from our catalogs because of non-delivery of our orders, even when prepaid. Very frustrating. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10150	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail

Has anyone had problems with warping in American Hi-Rail shells? Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10151	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars

Ron, As they say in the Corps, an "OUTSTANDING" response! You guys are doing an excellent job, diregard the distractors, I believe that because of your efforts and those of SHS, we in S scale have more and better choice then ever, even then back in "the bad old days". I wonder how many of the complainers will jump on your generous offer for a run of full length cars? Again thank you for all your efforts, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10152	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Crown- Insulation Former Model - 2301

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=482628557 Try this e-Bay link. A routine search for "Crown Model" turned this up. Want to rewind your own motors and armatures? One of you must have 300 bucks to spare! Clear on the hanger, Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10153	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: American HiRail shells warping

I noticed that the footboards on my Dreyfus Hudson had a slight upward bow to them when I received my kit about two years ago. It's pretty unnoticeable unless you sight down them. It doesn't really bother me, though because I was tickled to death that he put out an otherwise beautiful kit!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10154	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail

This stuff that they are cast in, unless kept very dry from opening the package to setting after pouring molds WILL warp and twist. I did a little back in the middle 80s and stopped using it because to many parts were coming looking like pretzels Larry sigma@... wrote: > > Has anyone had problems with warping in American Hi-Rail shells? > Joe Pereira > email: sigma@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10155	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 11/1/2000
Subject: Greenberg

Do any Greenberg Show dealers belong to this group and if so do you plan on being at Niles< Oh. in January?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10156	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: American HiRail Photo's

Gang, I just up loaded two pics of American HiRail stuff. They're of the Aero Train, which is a go, and a Talgo Train, which is a maybe. http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/AmericanHiRail/ Wasn't the future wonderful? There is no known prototype for the Talgo loco in the foreground. It appears to be based on an old Mantua HO "Atomic Train." Anywho, I shot these in particular because I was interested in both, but some of AHR's other products can be seen in the background, including some decorated Flyer PA repros. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10157	From: andy lorince	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Greenberg

not presently but i will be at show in pittsburgh (monroeville) Nov 11, 12 andy lorince --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Harold (Bud) Lancaster" <bud@n...> wrote: > Do any Greenberg Show dealers belong to this group and if so do you > plan on being at Niles< Oh. in January?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10158	From: Art Goodell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Syracuse, NY Train Show

There is a train show at the NY State Fairgrounds in Syracuse, NY this weekend, Nov. 4-5. Are any of the S manufacturers/dealers going to exhibit there? Are any S club layouts going to be there? Regardless I will probably go, but just want to know who to look for. Thanks, Art

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10159	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: New TM Guide

I have the new book if anybody needs it. $18 postpaid in the conus. I just haven't had a chance to add it to the website. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10160	From: michael prell	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Syracuse, NY Train Show

>Art, In the past, the Central New York S-Gauge Association, Inc has displayed a good sized layout of our S-tuff. No reason to doubt that this year will be any different. --- Art Goodell <aag_rlg@...> wrote: > There is a train show at the NY State Fairgrounds in > Syracuse, NY > this weekend, Nov. 4-5. Are any of the S > manufacturers/dealers going > to exhibit there? Are any S club layouts going to > be there? > Regardless I will probably go, but just want to know > who to look for. > > Thanks, > Art > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10161	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Christmas layout snow........

Happy November to all, I have seen quite a few pictures of Christmas layouts with different kinds/sizes of fake snow. My question is: How do you clean up all this snow? Do people save it and use over and over, or buy new bags of snow each year?? I can see if you don't save it, just suck it all up with a vacuum. How would you save it to use again?? Thanks. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10162	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: MTH Coal Loader

For those of you who were not able to get to York and see the MTH Coal Loader (based on the Gilbert 785/23785 Coal Loader) in person, here is a brief report. The coal loader looks almost exactly like the Gilbert model. It is the same dimensions. The coil assembly for the clamshell seems slightly larger with a slightly larger mounting plate. The piers are plastic instead of wooden. Other than that it looks identical. One great improvement. There is a micro-disconnect plug at the base of the coal loader eliminating the need to cut the line to the control box when wiring a layout. The control box is almost identical to the original. It was grey unpainted plastic, but may be lettered and painted in the final form. The Coal Loader was not at the MTH display during the pre-show at the Holidome. However, I got to talk with several of the MTH representatives. They indicated it would be at the TCA show the following day (Friday). They also indicated that "everyone" at MTH was having a ball playing with the coal loader. They said it was the most fun accessory so far produced by MTH. Delivery is still planned for about December 1, 2000. Parts (e.g., clamshell, roof) will not be available until about 6 months after release of the coal loaders. I had very little time to speak with Mike. However, I encouraged him that one way to easily get into S gauge would be to reverse engineer in China one of the plastic AF locos, such as the Pennsy 0-6-0 switcher or the Docksider locomotive. If you think this might be a good idea, or want to encourage MTH to produce more S gauge products, why not e-mail Mike and MTH at pr@.... Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10163	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: AFquestion

You may have one of the older action car actuator tracks. I think they were used for the dumping hopper. The inner rails originally had a way to accept power. louis glumac wrote: > > hi got some old flyer track sunday and in it waerd section i have never seen before, its on a black base with four rails,two inner rails are thinner and have power going to them from post,anyone know what this track is for? thanks lou. sorry no political comments from me. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10164	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] Potential S-scaler

(Forwarded to s-scale and s-trains groups because of a previous mailing error) Jamie, the big difference is that O scale is much bigger than S. Take a look at a full length O scale passenger car and it's about 20" long, S is about 15" long. A 72" radius in O scales down to 54" in S. The O scale stuff has more variety available and is roughly the same cost or cheaper but only if you accept 3 rail. You have adequate room for O and a plenty of room for S. Take a look at the pictures on my website for some modules and some of my home layout in operation. It helps you picture the size of the trains. Our modules use about 36" radius turns which handle most stock well. The 80" passenger cars may look a little cramped on these curves but run fine. See: http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith Paul Yorke wrote: > > Can any of you S-Scalers help Jamie make the right choice? > Please CC me , I realy should have the answer on a web page so I can > direct these people to an existing web page. > Thanks Again. > > Subject: Just wondering! > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 00:23:23 -0500 > From: Jamie Fantham <jamie.fantham@...> > To: yorke@... > > Paul I am Jamie from Canada I was looking at your site, after seeing > some larger scaled buildings etc. I was wondering how much bigger the > sscale is than my HO scale equipment? I am thinking of going to a larger > > scale than HO, but was wondering if I should go to S scale or O scale. > Is there a difference between these two scales and by how much. I am > looking at going to a width of about 2-3 inches for the rollong stock > and Locos. I don't have anything else to compare it to. If you can help > me I would be thankful. Your layout looks good. I have a room about > 16 x 24 and one about 12 x 10 that I can use together or separately. Any > > information would be helpful. Thanx Jamie -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10165	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: How to subscribe?

Hi it has been a long time ago that i got onto this list that I forgot how to subscribe. This is for a friend that wants to join this list. Help. Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10166	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: subscribe/

Thanks Guys I found the link at Paul Yorkes site Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10167	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/2/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas layout snow........

Rick, If you want to save the snow, buy a dustbuster for that purpose only. it work fairly well except for it fills up fast and the battery needs constant recharging.Since I use white aquarium gravel for my ballast, the dust buster isn't strong enough to pick up the gravel. Once I have the snow up, I put a clean filter and collection bag on my shop vac to pick up the gravel ballast. As the layout gets bigger each year ,it takes a little longer to clean up. But this year will hopefully be the last since we are almost finished with the 3rd floor where it will be on display tear round. Hope this helps. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10168	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Decals

The April 2000 Mainline Modeler reports that Black Cat Publishing (aifergus@...) Winnipeg Manitoba "produces some of the finest Canadian Railroad decals on the market." including some in S scale. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10169	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: MTH coal loader at York

I saw it and took the opportunity to play with it a while. It looks very good with excellent fit and finish with dimensions I'd say identical to the ACG original. It has a can motor as you would expect which runs very smoothly and surprisingly quietly as well. One operational quirk I observed however, is that is appeared slow, especially in terms of the clam-shell going up and down. I timed it lifting the clam from about 3/4" off the table top up to the end of the boom and that took about 25 seconds. Later at home, I clocked my ACG 785 and it took 6 seconds. Perhaps by the time this otherwise great looking and much welcomed accessory gets into full production (this unit was a prototype and handwritten in marker under the roof) it will be geared differently for a little more speed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10170	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: things from Mike

I don't know about you, but aside from remanufacturing some more classic accessories like Billy the Baggage Smasher, Trackside Crew, etc, I'd rather see Mike provide us new engines and/or sets rather than remake old ones such as the 0-6-0's. ACG 0-6-0's are nice and a little pricey, but not extinct. You can still find good examples at less than rip off prices (e.g. 21004, $360, 21155 $425). I'd love for uS instead to finally get Some of the Stuff O-folks have had for years such as a Hiawatha, 20th Century Limited or C&O 490 with sound, or how about a reasonably priced articulated (e.g. M1, Challenger, Allegheny, etc.). I know you can get some of them from a customizer or two, or kit-bash them together yourself, but if a manufacturing powerhouse like MTH were to set out on building S engines, I'd ask them to please give us some factory-fresh new items than repro ACG motive power. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10171	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: I put a bug in Mike's ear

Thanks Joe for providing the email address. Here's the note I sent Mike. I'll let you know their reply. Dear MTH representative, Thank you for reproducing famous American Flyer accessories from the past such as the Coal Loader, Log Loader, and Lamplighter. As an American Flyer and S-Gauge enthusiast (operator/collector), I think they are great and have already pre-ordered some. However, I would especially appreciate it if MTH were to manufacture and sell S-gauge versions of some of the legendary engines and sets that AC Gilbert and Lionel never offered the "S" market. Examples of these would be a 4-4-2 Hiawatha (the original Hiawatha and first streamlined steamer), the NYC 20th Century Limited, C&O 490, or any one of the great articulated engines such as the M1, Allegheny, or Challenger. Thanks for your time and attention to this request. And thanks again for reissuing those great accessories. Best wishes for continued success, Dave Horn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10172	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Switch wish

I use AF track and switches. Because of the closed frogs, I tune my AF #3 switches to run highrail, scale and even Proto 64. Alas, an AF #3 will not run my 80+ foot passenger cars. So let me put MY money where my mouth is. If AM, SHS, or GarGraves is out there designing either a #6 or a 27 inch radius switch with closed frog that I can plunk down into my AF empire, I will send them a check for $100.00 to assist with their costs! I will begin converting my empire to this company's track when this switch is available. Thorin <mailto:thorin.marty@...> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10173	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Maps

I recently read in National Geographic (October 2000, under Geographica) that historical maps and other train maps were available at the following site: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/maps/geographica (and then follow directions). I did try to access the site, but got message that "due to extraordinary demand, the map machine was unavailable". However, thought I would get info out so that it can become even more "unavailable". It might have some interesting information about railroads, and they will be adding more as time goes by. Good luck. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10174	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH Coal Loader

In a message dated 11/2/00 10:18:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, joestrainrepair@... writes: << The coal loader looks almost exactly like the Gilbert model. It is the same dimensions. The coil assembly for the clamshell seems slightly larger with a slightly larger mounting plate. The piers are plastic instead of wooden. Other than that it looks identical. >> The other major difference is that it has a can motor, but that is to be expected. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10175	From: STOUDT,KENNETH R.	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Maps

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@filreq(@field(STATE+pennsyl vania)+@field(COLLID+rrmap)) To all. If you would like to view railroad maps from your area check out this site. It's the National archives. There are some great maps of PA from 1895. Shows all the original railroads of the area. Enjoy. Ken Stoudt. -----Original Message----- From: Velapoldi's [mailto:velapoldi@...] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:46 PM To: strains; Sscale Subject: [S-Scale] Maps I recently read in National Geographic (October 2000, under Geographica) that historical maps and other train maps were available at the following site: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/maps/geographica (and then follow directions). I did try to access the site, but got message that "due to extraordinary demand, the map machine was unavailable". However, thought I would get info out so that it can become even more "unavailable". It might have some interesting information about railroads, and they will be adding more as time goes by. Good luck. Rance To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... + +

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10176	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: things from Mike

New stuff would be great, but Mike first has to feel out the market. Based on the prices charged for these locos, there is a demand for them, so they are the logical ones to start out with. This is one of the things that didn't make sense back when LTI was going to do the Hudson. Too many originals available at half the price they were going to need for the new one. I would suspect that if the first loco sells well, then he'd look at making something completely different. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10177	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader at York

The slower speed is probably necessary for the can motor to be able to lift the bucket. If they were to speed it up, the motor would need more "umph" to run it. Bigger motors cost more bucks! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10178	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: MTH coal loader at York

That's what I figured as well, but wanted to play it positive for now. Perhaps it will take a bigger motor and gearing to get it "right", or maybe it will be shipped as is. In which case, I'll be glad to have paid 3x for my original. That thing was sleepy slow. -----Original Message----- From: David Dewey [mailto:djdewey@...] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:32 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com; david_horn@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MTH coal loader at York The slower speed is probably necessary for the can motor to be able to lift the bucket. If they were to speed it up, the motor would need more "umph" to run it. Bigger motors cost more bucks! S' David D. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10179	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: New Models!

I just tried some new "searches" on e-Bay. A search for "resin kit" yielded some unusual results. Try this: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=486682987 Now I figure most of us have a real wife and we model scale trains. Here is a chance to invert that. Go buy a use railcar, live in it, and build these scale models! The railcar will never complain about how much you spend on kits! Geat bonus, NO weathering! Two (big ones) to go, Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10180	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: not to be taken exclusively

My wish list to Mikey wasn't meant to infer any lack of desire for similar products from AM, SHS, etc. If in reading my post to MTH they make those engines/sets instead, great. I like and buy their products too (waiting on an order for three AM cars from local dealer as we "speak"). Just meant to bring as many players to the table as possible. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10181	From: Ted Larson	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Passenger Car Variety

>>>>A better idea might be a "core body" kit (oh, oh, there's that word again!) that would consist of roof, ends (a couple of different styles would be necessary) and floor, with separate roof and underbody details, then produce different plastic sides that could be used with the core body to produce a passenger car. That way many different cars could be produced using the same core body and production costs would be lower.<<<< Sounds like you are speaking of "flat molds"? Assemble the "flat" pieces to make a completed car, as with the old Train Stuff %#^%# kits? Your idea might be also be feasible with one piece injection molded shells. Injection molds typically have a separate piece of steel for the roof, each side, and each end of the car body. Look closely for the seam lines at the corners of your models. It is possible for each side to have changable inserts, for instance, the window configuration of a passenger car could be modified by changing the inserts. Its possible that this is how AM's existing molds are made. This avoids building a separate mold for each variation of a body. Keep in mind that this gets more difficult if you want to change a major dimension, such as length or height. Short and long passenger cars are likely molded in different molds. In the mold shop I work at, 100 pieces is a typical minimum run size for each variation when running molds such as this. Keep in mind also that you can simply change one piece of steel to get a different roof, end, etc. rather than building a completely different mold. Since I don't have personal knowledge of AM's molds, I can't tell you that this is possible with the existing molds, I'm just telling you possibilities regarding molding in general. Regarding the comments last month on re-running AM's long passenger cars, I suspect that 100 molded pieces might be a reasonable minimum production run of shells. In fairness to the manufacturer, you should expect the PRICE of short run shells to be higher than the price of shells run in larger quantities. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10182	From: Gregg Mummert	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 804

Dave Blaufuss of Dave's S Gauge Trains from Buffalo will be there with a couple of tables of SHS, AM, and more. Gregg Mummert >Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:49:21 -0000 > From: "Art Goodell" <aag_rlg@...> >Subject: Syracuse, NY Train Show > >There is a train show at the NY State Fairgrounds in Syracuse, NY >this weekend, Nov. 4-5. Are any of the S manufacturers/dealers going >to exhibit there? Are any S club layouts going to be there? >Regardless I will probably go, but just want to know who to look for. > >Thanks, >Art > >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10183	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: [Advertising} New B.T.S. Kits Announced

Howdy Friends Two new laser-cut kits are on the way in S scale. Based upon your request from our online poll, we are now converting the Cabin Creek Coal Tipple to S Scale. Conversion work is underway and cutting will start in about a month. Orders are being accepted now for this limited edition. Please note that due to very limited availability and very high prices on sound memory chips, there will only be ten Silver Edition kits made! #08105-L Cabin Creek Coal Tipple, S Scale $379.95 #08105-SE Cabin Creek Coal Tipple, S, Silver Edition (Sound) $579.95 For photos and more information, http://www.master-creations.com/coalmast.htm And if your layout is too small for the tipple, take a look at the first of the New River Yard series, the MOW Shed. Based upon an AT&SF prototype, this small shed is typical of the general storage buildings that every railroad needs. We are cutting this kit now, and shipping should start in about a week. #07501 MOW Shed, S Scale $34.95 For photos and more information, http://www.btsrr.com/bts7501.htm The New River Yard series Freight House will be along in a few weeks! Photos on the web in a few days! Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10184	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Gabe the Lamplighter......

Well, today I ordered MTH's Gabe the Lamplighter! I never really thought that I would EVER order any new AF accessory!(or AF lookalike),but I coudn't resist Ol' Gabe, and the price ain't all that bad compared to an AF original!! I think it has been mentioned on this list but I can't remember,...is there a waiting period on the lamplighters?? When will they be shipped? I know everyone has been waiting on their coal loaders. I ordered through the train store in my town and they don't have a clue on shipment times. And I'm STILL waiting on my MTH figure set!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10185	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Oddballs Decals 20% off sale for the month of November only.

Since November is model railroad month, I will sell all my decals only at 20% off retail price. This does not include the decal paper, catalog, or the RR Roman type font. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10186	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Oddballs Decals 20% off sale for the month of November only. 2nd tr

Since November is model railroad month, I will sell all my decals only at 20% off retail price. This does not include the decal paper, catalog, or the RR Roman type font. Be sure to write down on your order form, November Special 20% off sale. This sale applies to the internet only. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10187	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: York & Greenberg Vol II book

Hello all, Finally back from York and got the new hard drive in my computer. It crashed the first time I started my machine after returning. I can't help but gloat a little (please excuse) about the great deal I found at York on Friday. I stopped at a table and was looking at some pretty hefty prices on some Flyer trains, when I turned to watch my wife paging through a book she had picked up off the table. Greeenbergs Guide to S gauge trains Vol 2, in LN condition. The seller quickly said the price was $25. I got the money out fast; no haggling I happily paid the asking price! I also got to play with the new MTH Coal Loader; looks pretty nice! I thought the operation was pretty good, but have never owned the real item (I had a 752A as a kid), so really couldn't compare the speed.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10188	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 5, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10189	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/3/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars

-----Original Message----- From: Ron Bashista Well hello guys....... 6. Did I not make scale length smooth sided passenger cars ? Did everyone forget ? Any chance of resurrecting these molds for more cars? I'm still looking for some Great Northerns, I wish I had kept the UP's I had. 9. Scalers buy and run our product in large numbers especially the Superliner sets . (I guess they must be hiding the stuff when anyone comes over. Now ponder that !) I run mine all the time but then I get in trouble (add flame here) for running mostly AM (GP 35's and Alcos) and SHS cars on flyer track because I don't want to spend all the money to replace 300 pieces of usable track and 20 switches. If I measured correctly the Superliners would be the same length as the new Budd 74 foot cars. If I also measured correctly the Gilbert Flyer 960 cars they would scale out to about 64 feet. What is the latest on the SD60 loco? Thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Washington.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10190	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: 314AW for sale with controller

I have a 314AW for sale with controller on ebay . http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=483882139 I have Greenberg Vol 3 for sale also. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=482819772 Auctions close today! Marc McCarron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10191	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P

Note: forwarded message attached. I thought I'd pass this along "just in case"! ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10192	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 805

Rick Evans: The (gabe) lamp lighters are expected some time in AUG of 2001, Similar to Gilbert, except Gabe climbs down the ladder the same way he go's up, one step at a time, unlike the Gilbert Gabe who slides down the ladder. Jerry 7711644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10193	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fw: RMDTCA Bulletin

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: SusanDeats@..., Secretary RMDTCA<susandeats@...> To: <dloucks@...> Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 22:10:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: RMDTCA Bulletin Message-ID: <200011040310.WAA06044@...> To all RMD members w Email 11-3-00 Share information with unconnected. From Susan Deats, Secretary RMDTCA This message is from Caboose Hobbies and concerns an estate they have on consignment. To hear the gossip concerning the estate come to the meeting Sunday night. >Dear Susan, Thanks for giving us the opportunity to advertise the consignment collection to your TCA members. We plan on posting the list on Saturday about 1:00p.m. on our web page. They can use this URL: www.caboosehobbies.com/collection.htm. Only TCA members will have this code for the first two days. On monday we will make the list available to the general public. If they find something they want they should call as soon as possible with the stock numbers. Items will be sold to the first caller. Our phone number is 303-777-6766. We are open Saturdays from 9:00 to 5:30, Sundays from 11:00 to 5:00, Mondays thru Fridays from 9:30 to 6:00 (except we are open until 8:00 on Thursday nights). We would like to thank the TCA members for their support. It is greatly appreciated. Thanks for your help. Mark Graybill< ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10194	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Bill 602P

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You are already paying an > exorbitant price for > > snail > > > > > mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It > currently takes up > > to 6 > > >days > > > > > for a letter to be delivered from coast to > coast. If the US > > Postal > > > > > Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, > it will mark the end > > of the > > > > > "free" Internet in the United States. One > congressional > > representative, > > > > > Tony Schnell =AE has even suggested a > "$20-$40 per month > > surcharge on > > > > > all Internet service" above and beyond the > governments proposed > > E-mail > > > > > charges. > > > > > > > > > > Note that most of the major newspapers > have ignored the > > story-the > > only > > > > > exception being the Washingtonian - which > called the idea of > > E-mail > > > > > surcharge "a useful concept who's time has > come" (March 6th, > > 1999. > > > > > Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your > freedom erode away! > > > > > > > > > > Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your > list, and tell all your > > >friends > > > > > and relatives write their congressional > representative and say > > "NO to > > > > > Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments > of your time and > > could > > very > > > > > well be instrumental in killing a bill we > do not want. Please > > forward! > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own > public profile at > > http://profiles.msn.com > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2.2 message/rfc822 name=Fwd Bill 602P.eml > From: Gg1222@... > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:01:05 EDT > Subject: Fwd: Bill 602P > To: Purpelrain1@..., GMABEVA@..., > Pipsrn90@..., LBunch4464@..., > DikCee13@..., EChristens@..., > Samychr@..., > jdamilojr@..., BROWNEYEGIRL122@..., > Starrlight78@..., > MinnieMouseGrL@..., Nvrswalo@..., > Esmomtea@..., > Geezie75@..., cjgural@..., > EileenHack@..., > KAYDONNASUNSHINE@..., Golfdaddy881017@..., > JHomer17doh@..., > Starrdust97@..., Skipper4139@..., > Bruce0757@..., > Joanie1260@..., KLupica@..., > TonyApl@..., Len9mm@..., > Maur7418@..., FrannyFXM@..., > kmcentee@..., > Murphdog941@..., Pluto1407@..., > Mnolan@..., > rcopr356@..., Jennibags@..., > ConPlyztr@..., > rjrieser@..., AERiff@..., > pegjohn131@..., > IRotter@..., tyrubin@..., > dbtrim@..., > DWark1217@..., DJSamWark@..., > wilk01@... > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2.2.2 message/rfc822 > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:04:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Patricia Good <pagood@...> > Subject: Bill 602P > To: pagood@... > > > Please take time to read this and write your > congressman!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!! > > > > > > > > I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill > 602P proposes a > 5-cents > > > > per E-mail Sent. It figures! No more free > E-mail! We knew this > was > > > > coming!! Bill 602P will permit the Federal > Government to charge > a > > 5-cent > > > > charge on every delivered E-mail. Please read > the following > carefully > > if > > > > you intend to stay online, and continue using > E-mail. The last > few > > > > months have revealed an alarming trend in the > Government of the > United > > > > States attempting to quietly push through > legislation that will > affect > > > > our use of the Internet Under proposed > legislation, the US > > PostalService > > > > will be attempting to bill E-mail users out > of "alternative > postage > > > > fees". Bill 602P will permit the Federal > Government to charge a > 5-cent > > > > surcharge on every E-Mail delivered, by > billing Internet Service > > > > Providers at source. The consumer would then > be billed in turn > by > the > > > > ISP. > > > > > > > > Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is > working without pay to > prevent > > > > this legislation from becoming law. The US > Postal Service is > claiming > > > > lost revenue, due to the proliferation of > E-mail, is costing > nearly > > > > $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may > have noticed their > recent > ad > > > > campaign: "There is nothing like a letter. > Since the average > person > > > > received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day in > 1998, the cost of > the > > > > typical individual would be an additional 50 > cents a day - or > over > $180 > > > > per year - above and beyond their regular > Internet costs. Note > that > > this > > > > would be money paid directly to the US Postal > Service for a > service > > they > > > > do not even provide. The whole point of the > Internet is > democracy and > > > > noninterference. You are already paying an > exorbitant price for > snail > > > > mail because of bureaucratic efficiency. It > currently takes up > to 6 > > days > > > > for a letter to be delivered from coast to > coast. If the US > Postal > > > > Service is allowed to tinker with E-mail, it > will mark the end > of the > > > > "free" Internet in the United States. One > congressional > representative, > > > > Tony Schnell =AE has even suggested a > "$20-$40 per month > surcharge on > > > > all Internet service" above and beyond the > governments proposed > E-mail > > > > charges. > > > > > > > > Note that most of the major newspapers have > ignored the > story-the > only > > > > exception being the Washingtonian - which > called the idea of > E-mail > > > > surcharge "a useful concept who's time has > come" (March 6th, > 1999. > > > > Editorial). Do not sit by and watch your > freedom erode away! > > > > > > > > Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your > list, and tell all your > > friends > > > > and relatives write their congressional > representative and say > "NO to > > > > Bill 602P. It will only take a few moments of > your time and > could > very > > > > well be instrumental in killing a bill we do > not want. Please > forward! > > > >  > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10195	From: michael prell	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: S-yracuse Train S-how

Just got back from the 'Cuse about an hour or so ago. The Train Show was better than ever with a lot of expansion into the second building. As is usually the case O-gauge was dominant, but that was expected. the Central new York S-gauge fellas had two nice layouts in both Hi and modeled S. All in all, it was a nice way to spend a couple of hours and to get set for winter. I think that the best part of the whole thing was in the faces of the small kids who seemed really thrilled by what they saw, regardless of the gauge.Not bad! ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10196	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

I am having technical difficulties with my website and cannot post the new list. If you would like your own personal copy of the November List, send me an e-mail and I will attach the list to the reply. Sorry for the inconvenience. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10197	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

I am having technical difficulties with my website and cannot post the new list. If you would like your own personal copy of the November List, send me an e-mail and I will attach the list to the reply. Sorry for the inconvenience. Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10198	From: wayne@dellnet.com	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Semaphore Sam

Would someone please give me some hints as to how to change his bulb? Per the old AF book, I unscrewed the set screw, but cannot pull out the socket from the back. All I am doing is coming close to severing the wire connection. --what's a recommended Radio Shack substitute? thanks.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10199	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/4/2000
Subject: Christmas layout snow

I have used the snow fabric which is sold at this time of year for putting under trees, creches, and other displays. It says "fire retardant" on the packaging, though it will burn. Tom jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10200	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: SHS Election Day Sale!

We are having an Election Sale!!! All PS-2 2 bay and 3 bay hoppers, boxcars, stockcars, TOFCs, 3 car sets, SW-9s, SW-1s, and bulkhead cars will be 15% off the regular retail price! Hobby Shops will be extended the same offer, but payment will be required at time order is placed (CC or COD). Product can not be put on layaway or on hold for later payment. It will run for three days-starting Monday, November 6th, 7th & 8th. The sale will not be offered before or after these dates. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10201	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: Christmas layout snow

Tom Jarcho wrote: ((( I have used the snow fabric which is sold at this time of year for putting under trees, creches, and other displays. It says "fire retardant" on the packaging, though it will burn.))) Tom,...Two questions. #1...What are "creches"? and #2...what did you do to find out that it WILL burn?? And was the Fire Dept. involved?? Oops,..that's three questions!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10202	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: "Gabes" on ebay......

I saw two Gabe the Lamplighters on ebay, one was an original and one was a repro. Who made these reproductions and when?? Thanks, Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10203	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 5, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10204	From: starr007	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Reproduction gabe

I believe that Tom Seccia at Triple S Supplies is making a reproduction Gabe, I do know that he planned to, so that may be where the reproduction on ebay came from. Hope this helps, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10205	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Choice of Scale Zephyr sets:

Ron: Great site to see the Zephyrs - thanks for the info. Were they by any chance run on the ATSF??? Rance Velapoldi Ron Bashista wrote: > Choice of 2 sets (one of each car) or a deluxe 10 car set. > > Deluxe set: > 1. Baggage/ RPO > 1 Diner > 3. Sleeper > 4 Coach dome > 1 Observation Dome > > This works out quite well to the actual California Zephyr consists. > See at: > http://calzephyr.railfan.net/ > You can see what a Zephyrette is ! I think everyone will agree its > much more human looking than Al Gore. (little joke). > Only two cars are not perfect we will use the baggage/mail car > which was used on the earlier Zephyrs but not the California > Zephyr. We can move the roof "saucer vents" to the center of the > car for a better appearance. The other item is the dome-buffet > lounge, we will have to use the chair dome car and this is why > we have 4 chair domes in the set. The windows were smaller > on one end of the car in the buffet lounge. So both car roofs and > ends would be perfect. > These cars will have to retail for almost $90 each because of the > zinc frame, windows, interior lighting, interior seating, tables etc. > Also the trucks, which feature all wheel pick up, sprung and fully > operating, zinc and plastic composite materials (to prevent > shorting and the elimination of pick-up springs). These truck are > the Commonwealth trucks used on Budd cars in the late 30s to > just after the War. > The weight will be at least 3 ounces more than our current 72 > foot heavyweight cars. Minimum radius track would be 27" as > these car have full skirting over the side of the trucks. (By > coincidence this is the radius of the track included in our > steamer and Superliner sets). > Now the 10 car set would be 850 scale feet long or a little over > 13 feet. > Engines for the Zephyr over Western Pacific rail were usually > F-units of some kind including FP-7s with F-7Bs (so we would > have to provide our units in WP). Over CB&Q rails the Zephyr was > powered by F-units and Alco PA –B-A units, we will re-run our > PAs for using these. > Over Burlington rails we are stuck with using E units, (there are > rumors some are being made soon). > The investment of $600 of course would return 10 cars at an > average cost of $60. Going with 100 scale orders means we will > have to sell three times this many cars to recover the tooling and > production costs. I am speculating on the hi-rail guys at least > equaling the scale set orders. (I may have to sell my home if I'm > wrong). > Hope this helps to clarify this proposal, your comments are > welcome by E-mail. Please send to info@... > I will not be getting E-mail automatically from the S-scale list > anymore, its too much. Ron B. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10206	From: Velapoldi's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Flames

Sorry! (mea culpa, jeg beklager, jer er lei for det, etc.) Just realized I sent Ron's message with comment. Will try not to let it happen again. Rance

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10207	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Portable layout update

I painted the layout today. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part3/part3.html looks better in the pictures, still needs scenery -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10208	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Hoax email and other garbage

If you get a note that tells you to "Please send this to everybody.." Please don't. Or at least don't send off topic stuff to this list. If you are interested about this kind of email hoax, you can usually find some details using Altavista (http://www.altavista.com) search engine. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10209	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: FW: [S-Scale] Answer to questions of Budd Cars

I wanted to forward along a couple of answers from Ron at American models to my questions: More things to save for.... Eric Reis Kenmore, Washington. RON:>> 6. Did I not make scale length smooth sided passenger cars ? >> Did everyone forget ? >> >> Eric> Any chance of resurrecting these molds for more cars? I'm still looking for > some Great Northerns, I wish I had kept the UP's I had. next year for sure. >> >> Eric:>> What is the latest on the SD60 loco? >> I just received the sample of most of the SD-60 from my mold maker, they look great.. samples coming of the frame and new gear boxes this month. best regards, Ron B > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10210	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 11/5/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

This URL doesn't seem to work at all for me. I log on with username and password, and then get presented with a list of lists, with nothing in sight about S gauge. What am I doing wrong? -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@egroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@egroups.com] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:02 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 5, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10211	From: michael prell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Restoration of Circus car(s)

I have a yellow Flyer circus car that got dropped a short time ago (Cats are the joy of my life) and now has a very nice crack as a result. (The cats ashes are now on the way to the moon) Any suggestions as to what can be used to repair this w/o effecting the yellow? Also one of the flat cars is missing a "pin" which holds the wood beam in place. Where can one get a suitable replacement? (Just kidding about the cat) ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10212	From: Peter Ervin	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Looking for new AM B&O Pacific (DC)

Does anyone have or know of an American Models B&O Pacific for sale? I'm looking for a DC model that is NIB. Thanks, Peter Ervin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10213	From: starr007	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: pin for circus car

Michael, I believe that both Leventon's supply in Washington and Doug Peck at Port Lines carry both the wood strip and the pins. Hope this helps, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10214	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

I haven't been able to find any clear instructions about how to do that Rick. i have a very low tolerance for confusing human interfaces on Web sites. I guess I consider my time too valuable to fiddle around filling out forms and then find that for some reason that doesn't work or "take." I went over to the site as per the URL in the e-mail reminder, logged on with my name and password, and was presented with screens that had no relevance whatsoever to S trains! -- Alex -----Original Message----- From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans [mailto:comic@...] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:27 AM To: Alex Mendelsohn Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat -Hi Alex, Paul can explain better than I,....have you joined the S-train club at Yahoo?? That could be a problem if you haven't. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10215	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Cal Zephyr Proposal Questions

Hello Ron, It's nice to see your participation on the e-list. A few questions, if I may, regarding your proposal to manufacture a scale-length California Zephyr passenger car set. 1: Baggage/RPO - Is it your intention to utilize the Budd Baggage/RPO car you are currently making, or a different RPO? I ask this because there may be some flak from S-Scale list members because it's not a "true CZ" car. 2: Monies - I'm receiving some confusing information via the list. Would the full $600 be required immediately, or a $100 deposit? If a deposit is required, at what point would the balance be due? 3: Cutoff Date - Is there a date in mind when the "GO/NO-GO" decision would be made on this project? 4: Time to Market - If and once a decision to proceed is made, is there an approximate time-frame when delivery could be expected? Thank you, Rich Gajnak ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 20:40:40 -0000 > From: "Ron Bashista" <info@...> > Subject: Choice of Scale Zephyr sets: > > Choice of 2 sets (one of each car) or a deluxe 10 car set. > > Deluxe set: > 1. Baggage/ RPO > 1 Diner > 3. Sleeper > 4 Coach dome > 1 Observation Dome > > This works out quite well to the actual California Zephyr consists. > See at: > http://calzephyr.railfan.net/ > You can see what a Zephyrette is ! I think everyone will agree its > much more human looking than Al Gore. (little joke). > Only two cars are not perfect we will use the baggage/mail car > which was used on the earlier Zephyrs but not the California > Zephyr. We can move the roof "saucer vents" to the center of the > car for a better appearance. The other item is the dome-buffet > lounge, we will have to use the chair dome car and this is why > we have 4 chair domes in the set. The windows were smaller > on one end of the car in the buffet lounge. So both car roofs and > ends would be perfect. > These cars will have to retail for almost $90 each because of the > zinc frame, windows, interior lighting, interior seating, tables etc. > Also the trucks, which feature all wheel pick up, sprung and fully > operating, zinc and plastic composite materials (to prevent > shorting and the elimination of pick-up springs). These truck are > the Commonwealth trucks used on Budd cars in the late 30s to > just after the War. > The weight will be at least 3 ounces more than our current 72 > foot heavyweight cars. Minimum radius track would be 27" as > these car have full skirting over the side of the trucks. (By > coincidence this is the radius of the track included in our > steamer and Superliner sets). > Now the 10 car set would be 850 scale feet long or a little over > 13 feet. > Engines for the Zephyr over Western Pacific rail were usually > F-units of some kind including FP-7s with F-7Bs (so we would > have to provide our units in WP). Over CB&Q rails the Zephyr was > powered by F-units and Alco PA –B-A units, we will re-run our > PAs for using these. > Over Burlington rails we are stuck with using E units, (there are > rumors some are being made soon). > The investment of $600 of course would return 10 cars at an > average cost of $60. Going with 100 scale orders means we will > have to sell three times this many cars to recover the tooling and > production costs. I am speculating on the hi-rail guys at least > equaling the scale set orders. (I may have to sell my home if I'm > wrong). > Hope this helps to clarify this proposal, your comments are > welcome by E-mail. Please send to info@... > I will not be getting E-mail automatically from the S-scale list > anymore, its too much. Ron B. > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10216	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Greenberg trade

I have an extra copy of the Greenberg guide to American Flyer volume 2 that I would like to trade for volume 3. Does anybody have an extra volume 3 that they would like to trade for a volume 2? If interested, please contact me off-list. Here is a picture of it: http://members.safepages.com/imsscott/fronbook.jpg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10217	From: Dalessandro, David L TL13C	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Things from Mike

I would like to Second this, in addition to the Hiawatha, 20th Century Limited or C&O 490 with sound, or how about a reasonably priced articulated (e.g. M1, Challenger, Allegheny, etc.). I would like to add the need the T-1 and the I-1, how about the Reading Crusader?? and a Vanderbilt, I would also like to see the Mikado and Zephyr that was dropped from the 3 RD Rail lineup in very expensive Brass. 3RD rail has been able to build other items in cheaper metals but S Stuff. Question, If MTH only offered the Coal Loader in Brass would it of ever been made? chances are NO Way, it would be as expensive as everything else in brass. So why do some manufactures only offer Brass when there are other options that are more reasonable and would open the market up to more people with a reasonable price? Thanks Dave <From: david_horn@... <Subject: things from Mike <I don't know about you, but aside from remanufacturing some more classic <accessories like Billy the Baggage Smasher, Trackside Crew, etc, I'd rather <see Mike provide us new engines and/or sets rather than remake old ones such <as the 0-6-0's. ACG 0-6-0's are nice and a little pricey, but not extinct. <You can still find good examples at less than rip off prices (e.g. 21004, <$360, 21155 $425). I'd love for uS instead to finally get Some of the Stuff <O-folks have had for years such as a Hiawatha, 20th Century Limited or C&O <490 with sound, or how about a reasonably priced articulated (e.g. M1, <Challenger, Allegheny, etc.). I know you can get some of them from a <customizer or two, or kit-bash them together yourself, but if a <manufacturing powerhouse like MTH were to set out on building S engines, I'd <ask them to please give us some factory-fresh new items than repro ACG <motive power. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown. This e-mail transmission may contain confidential information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is intended even if addressed incorrectly. Please delete it from your files if you are not the intended recipient. Thank you for your compliance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10218	From: David Golden	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Hoax, Hoax, Hoax!

How much longer is this hoax going to circulate? If anyone is interested you can go to the govenments web site and search for bill 602P. The head of the postal service has repeatedly stated that this is a hoax. And what does this have to do with "S" anyway?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10219	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 806

Replace lamp in Sam The Semaphore: Wayne: Remove the set screw, don't pull on the wire, Pull on the silver portion of the lamp holder, you may have to wiggle it to brake lose any corrosion between it and the lamp housing. the lamp is a GE 1402 (A.F. # 758). Available from Jill A. Sisco, 8644 La Tremolina La. Whittier, Calf. 213-693-3043. or Ralph Maurer 300 S. 17 St. Reading, Pa 19602, 610 -374-7632 Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10220	From: michael prell	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Hoax, Hoax, Hoax!

David, It will probably continue for as long as idiots such as I continue to semi-believe and in turn circulate them. Now, about my yellow Flyer Circus car with the crack. Any ideas about how to repair it? --- David Golden <dgolden@...> wrote: > How much longer is this hoax going to circulate? If > anyone is > interested you can go to the govenments web site and > search for bill > 602P. The head of the postal service has repeatedly > stated that this > is a hoax. > And what does this have to do with "S" anyway? > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10221	From: Peck	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Gabe

<I saw two Gabe the Lamplighters on ebay, one was an original and one was a repro. Who made these reproductions and when?? > I am 99% certain the repro was simply made by an individual.....no great production quantities. Tom Seccia's Gabe is not yet available. I have a couple of different customers who buy Gabe repro parts from me to make their own Gabe's from regular floodlight towers. I suspect this is one of those. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10222	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 803

How can I contact American HiRail? Bob George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10223	From: SMITTY@tir.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: coal loaders

OK guys, what's the consensus about the proper material to use for the coal loaders ? I've tried the vintage Gilber Artificial coal and because of the irregular sizes and shapes it seems to clog up the outlet of the chute ( much as the real thing can do coming out of the bottom of a hopper car ). I've tried usiing the smallest blead "Indian Beads" from a craft store, they're pretty much round and they don't clog the opening of the chute, but by golly, when they hit the bottom of a tilting gon, they bounce half way across the room until finally, there's enough in the car to cushion the rest coming down, but the first part is scattered over an S-scale half acre ! Somewhere I recall reading that a black blasting sand could be used, so as an experiment I tried it,it looks good, it works pretty good, but the idea of having that much abrasive material scattered about my layout just doesn't make good sense. Thanks for the info, Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10224	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Duh!

Here is one of the classic stupid things people say in e-mail: "I don't know if this is true or not, but I thought I'd pass it along." Duh. Well, if you don't know if it true or not, passing it along is irresponsible, isn't it? It's kind of like yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. The crap you pass along is nothing more than gossip. The act of passing it along does nothing more than to alert a new crop of Chicken Little ninnies to panic and start screaming about the falling sky. Maybe this was a good time to NOT pass it along. Maybe this was an opportune moment to exercise some good adult judgement and delete the rumor instead of promulgating it. How about a little common sense? How would the government charge you for each e-mail you sent, exactly? Is there a practical way to keep track of e-mail? Does anybody count it? What about foreign e-mail, who bills for that? How much money do you think the Federal government would make in one day at a nickle a post? Since over 1 billion messages are exchanged each day, that would come to around $50 million every single day. That's 5 billion dollars every ten days, fifteen billion a month, 180 billion a year. If the government had a way to collect that, don't you think they already would have? I'd rather pay a nickle a message and abolish all other forms of tax. My headaches would clear up and the national debt would be no more. This stupid old story about the Federal Government trying to make up for lost postage has been circulating in cyber space since the beginnings of the Arpa-net, predecessor to the Internet. Apparently it has claimed it's latest victim. This list is not the place to play out these little comedies. The next time you fall prey to an old Internet gag, please post it on ChickenLittle@egroups.com . This is the S-Trains@egroups.com list. Let's keep it that way. Ditto for the political messages. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10225	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

Let the sky fall!!!!!! If the "government" wanted to collect a nickel for every e-mail, let me tell you brother they would. There are ways of putting a counter at your service provider to count all the mails you send. The telephone companies count all your phone calls do they not??????????? This list has an archive with all message sent to it. Wow look at the money available to them to steel or feed the old pork barrel. WOW!!!!!!! If congress wanted to do it, they would But I do agree with you this is garbage to post this to our list. Larry busy-boy wrote: > > Here is one of the classic stupid things people say in e-mail: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10226	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders

I use Woodland Scenics coarse black cinder ballast (HO) and it works great withouy clogging. Clamshell closes better too. SMITTY@... wrote: > > OK guys, what's the consensus about the proper material to use for > the coal loaders ? I've tried the vintage Gilber Artificial coal and > because of the irregular sizes and shapes it seems to clog up the > outlet of the chute ( much as the real thing can do coming out of the > bottom of a hopper car ). I've tried usiing the smallest > blead "Indian Beads" from a craft store, they're pretty much round > and they don't clog the opening of the chute, but by golly, when they > hit the bottom of a tilting gon, they bounce half way across the room > until finally, there's enough in the car to cushion the rest coming > down, but the first part is scattered over an S-scale half acre ! > Somewhere I recall reading that a black blasting sand could be used, > so as an experiment I tried it,it looks good, it works pretty good, > but the idea of having that much abrasive material scattered about my > layout just doesn't make good sense. > > Thanks for the info, > > Smitty > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10227	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

Why because I do not agree with your IDEAS on what the government could do if it wants to. Did you know they have computers right now that monitors ever phone call and e-mail that is sent and the computer has some key words that it looks for and if it comes across one of these words it flags it for a human to listen to. The only call they do not listen to is one that does not go outside your building on a phone company line or to a satellite. This not only includes the good old US of A but the whole world. You left wingers should come up out of your mental cellar and see what it happening in this old world. Required train talk. I would sure like to see the new AM Budd cars. Larry Marc McCarron wrote: > > You really are a fucking idiot. > > -----Original Message----- > From: lawrence jackman [mailto:ljack70117@...] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:37 PM > To: busy-boy > Cc: michael prell; slist > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Duh! > > Let the sky fall!!!!!! If the "government" wanted > to collect a nickel for every e-mail, let me tell > you brother they would. There are ways of putting > a counter at your service provider to count all > the mails you send. The telephone companies count > all your phone calls do they not??????????? This > list has an archive with all message sent to it. > Wow look at the money available to them to steel > or feed the old pork barrel. WOW!!!!!!! If > congress wanted to do it, they would > But I do agree with you this is garbage to post > this to our list. > Larry > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > Here is one of the classic stupid things people say in e-mail: > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10228	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

In a message dated 11/6/00 8:38:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, ljack70117@... writes: << Marc McCarron wrote: > > You really are a fucking idiot. >> People that write like this are free to leave the list. Totally uncalled for! Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10229	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

Geez CZ,Chill a little! Everyone makes mistakes once in their lifetime. Come down Off Thy Throne now. Or is that Thine Thrown. Dang, shoud have used spell check. Michael, just take this stuff like it's nothing from these guys. They play too hard. CB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10230	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/6/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!--HEY! Let's have some decorum here, please.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy, but I was raised to NEVER use the F word. It is also a good idea to have a little tolerance and respect for others, wild ideas or not. I can't believe THIS list even needs a message like this!--maybe it's the election effect? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10231	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: WORDS

I don't know which word of the two I find more offensive. I was taken aback when I read that post as I never expected to see it on this list. There is a time and place, this is neither. Well back to just reading as I rarely speak up on such matters. Mike Strickland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10232	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

Ok, Busy-boy. I get the message. Thank you very much for pointing out my stupidity. It must be really great to be perfect. To never have made a mistake. To have never done anything "wrong"! Unfortunately for me. I have never fallen into this catigory and probably never will, but again, it is certainly nice to know that there are people like you out there willing and able to point out my mistake. Be assured that because of the enlightenment and eddification of this sermom that you so generously provided, I will be in a better position to not err again. Thanks. --- busy-boy <busy-boy@...> wrote: > Here is one of the classic stupid things people say > in e-mail: > > "I don't know if this is true or not, but I thought > I'd pass it along." > > Duh. > > Well, if you don't know if it true or not, passing > it along is > irresponsible, isn't it? It's kind of like yelling > "Fire" in a crowded > theater. The crap you pass along is nothing more > than gossip. The act of > passing it along does nothing more than to alert a > new crop of Chicken > Little ninnies to panic and start screaming about > the falling sky. > > Maybe this was a good time to NOT pass it along. > Maybe this was an > opportune moment to exercise some good adult > judgement and delete the rumor > instead of promulgating it. > > How about a little common sense? How would the > government charge you for > each e-mail you sent, exactly? Is there a practical > way to keep track of > e-mail? Does anybody count it? What about foreign > e-mail, who bills for > that? > > How much money do you think the Federal government > would make in one day at > a nickle a post? Since over 1 billion messages are > exchanged each day, that > would come to around $50 million every single day. > That's 5 billion dollars > every ten days, fifteen billion a month, 180 billion > a year. If the > government had a way to collect that, don't you > think they already would > have? I'd rather pay a nickle a message and abolish > all other forms of tax. > My headaches would clear up and the national debt > would be no more. > > This stupid old story about the Federal Government > trying to make up for > lost postage has been circulating in cyber space > since the beginnings of the > Arpa-net, predecessor to the Internet. Apparently > it has claimed it's > latest victim. This list is not the place to play > out these little > comedies. > > The next time you fall prey to an old Internet gag, > please post it on > ChickenLittle@egroups.com . This is the > S-Trains@egroups.com list. Let's > keep it that way. Ditto for the political messages. > > Clear on the hanger, > Chris Zizzo > > > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10233	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: McCarron apology

I, Marc McCarron, think that anyone who is concerned about the Federal Government putting a tax on Emails is an idiot. I think anyone who believes the Government would tax Emails if they were able to is an idiot. I confess I used the phrase Fuc*ing Idiot to one member of the group and do not recant, it was a private email. I apologize for wasting your time.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10234	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Response from American Models: Cal Zephyr Proposal

Greetings, all. Yesterday, I CC'd both lists with some questions to Ron Bashista regarding his proposal to make a scale lenght Califonia Zephyr passenger car set. Ron has responded. I've slightly reformatted the responst to make it a little easier to read. 1: Baggage/RPO - Is it your intention to utilize the Budd Baggage/RPO car you are currently making, or a different RPO? I ask this because there may be some flak from S-Scale list members because it's not a "true CZ" car. > I know but it was used on and ordered for the KC Zephyr (and Zephyr rocket > service). The CZ was know to use other cars now and again especially when > shortages arose. Its conceivable that it did run in in some trains > sometime. This is gasping for straws I admit but doesn't it help somewhat ? > To ad something else were going to haft to have 140 /150 Scalers for this. 2: Monies - I'm receiving some confusing information via the list. Would the full $600 be required immediately, or a $100 deposit? > the 100 about 30 days after the next dispatch is out then we'll start > drawings. After approval of drawings 45 days ? I need the money for the > deposit (were already up to over 200Gs with the cars now ) Then we go full > blast If a deposit is required, at what point would the balance be due? >see above. 3: Cutoff Date - Is there a date in mind when the "GO/NO-GO" decision would be made on this project? 4: Time to Market - If and once a decision to proceed is made, is there an approximate time-frame when delivery could be expected? > After approval of drawing 7 to 9 months. I would like to thank Ron publicly for his proposal and quick reponse. Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10235	From: michael prell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: McCarron apology

>I, Michael Prell, am happy to know that you, Marc McCarron are a credit to all who believe that they live in a perfect world. It's nice to know that you aren't and don't. Compaired to what you did, my small blunder makes me feel even more alive and human than I did prior to my mistaken posting. For God's sake, Man! Lighten up, seek help and go play with your trains. I am. Enough already!!!!!!!(P.S_ To the rest of you-S guy-S, I managed to get trains into this , so I guess it's legal!) --- Marc McCarron <mrmccarron@...> wrote: > I, Marc McCarron, think that anyone who is > concerned about the Federal > Government putting a tax on Emails is an idiot. I > think anyone who believes > the Government would tax Emails if they were able to > is an idiot. > I confess I used the phrase Fuc*ing Idiot to one > member of the group and do > not recant, it was a private email. > > I apologize for wasting your time. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10236	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Have you a horn for Horn?

Last night I received 355 that I purchased off the web. It turns out to have a painted shell rather than a solid green plastic body. It is in excellent condition with very few nicks/scratches, and no screw hole crack! The only thing wrong is it is missing its horn. Reproductions are available at minimal cost. However, I'd like to make this little engine "complete" once again, so I was wondering if any of you might have an original Baldwin horn (3 horns mounted on a stem) that I could buy. While I'm not the collector type, I think it'd be special to make this piece of Americana whole once again. Thanks. PS The hole for the horn's stem has a square notch in it, apparently designed to accomodate a stem with a "key" in it to prevent rotation. Sound at all familiar? The reproduction horns I've used have not had this. In fact, I don't recall seeing a hole with this notch on PA's either. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10237	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Axel Bushings for Rolling Stock

Is it desirable to add the bushings to the axels of box cars etc. I have already damaged a side truck trying to replace a chewed up wheel and worry about speading the trucks on other cars. PS can we now return to trains related, adult level discussions???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10238	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: bushings for rolling stock????

is it desirable to insert axel bushings in the side trucks of rolling stock. I have already damaged a side truck while replacing a bad wheel and I am reluctant to do anything further. PS Can we return to s-train related/ adult level conversations???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10239	From: J. Paul Hartman	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Marx "S" Two-Bay Hoppers

FriendS - It may be of interest to note that Marx made a plastic two-bay hopper #21913 (Lehigh Valley) from 1965-1974. It is almost IDENTICAL in width, height, and length to the AF UP three-bay hopper (#24216), but has no corner steps and the two bays jut down about 1/4" or so more than the depth of the three-bay hopper. I understand this depth does not present a problem in operations, although one could use washers to raise the body on S trucks. There are MANY variations - 8 wheel (G trucks) and 4 wheel (plastic truck sideframes) as well as colors. Some variations have metal end plates to which the truck is attached (similar to Lionel). These are the easiest to adapt. The others would require a bit more creativity, but the transition can be made. The Greenberg guide has these priced between $10 and $20, but they are usually less than these dollars (especially the 4 wheel). Anyone wishing to develop a customized S hopper train should find these cars a relatively cheap way to achieve this end. Indeed, someone may wish to do an article for the S-Gaugian or Dispatch on the conversions! Paul Hartman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10240	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: [S-Scale] Response from American Models: Cal Zephyr Propos

Hello all, Dick Karnes from the S-Scale list asked me to forward the following in refeference to a proposal to make scale length Califonia Zephyr cars -RG Rich Gajnak wrote: > 2: Monies - I'm receiving some confusing information via the list. > Would the full $600 be required immediately, or a $100 deposit? > > > the 100 about 30 days after the next dispatch is out then we'll start > > drawings. After approval of drawings 45 days ? I need the money for the > > deposit (were already up to over 200Gs with the cars now ) Then we go full > > blast All -- Let me clarify, per my personal conversations with Ron B.: $100 each per the above statement. Then the other $500 after drawing approval. So all subscribers will have to come up with a total of $600 by the time drawings are approved (75 days after Dispatch, per Ron). Dick Karnes

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10241	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx Hoppers

The late Ernie Horr wrote up this conversion for the IESGAPN newsletter several years ago and I belive it was also pushished elsewhere - S-Guagian or Dispatch. I have his article in our files if needed for republication. Tom Bangs IESGAPN S-Train Rail editor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10242	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx Hoppers

The late Ernie Horr wrote up this conversion for the IESGAPN newsletter several years ago and I belive it was also pushished elsewhere - S-Guagian or Dispatch. I have his article in our files if needed for republication. Tom Bangs IESGAPN S-Train Rail editor

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10243	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: Marx "S" Two-Bay Hoppers

Agree, I have one from the old days. Watch for the cars that have a plastic simulated sideframe on each side just outside the hoppers that a single axle rides in; these cars may be for "windup" trainsets. There is also a boxcar body that is the same size as the AF car except it has a steeper pitch on the roof. Even the ACE conversion frame fits them. DJE_KCMO >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10244	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders

In a message dated 11/6/00 9:29:21 PM, SMITTY@... writes: << OK guys, what's the consensus about the proper material to use for the coal loaders ? >> Highly recommend Life-Like #1105 coal. It is plastic so is does not bounce too high like stone chip 'coal' often does. It has an excellent appearance, is about the right size, and works very well in both Gilbert loaders. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10245	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/7/2000
Subject: *sigh*

'scuse me a minute, I just want to double-check to make sure I'm on the correct list . . . hmm, it seems to say S-Trains@... . . . yes, that looks right. But it's sure strange, I always thought this was the message list to come to when I wanted to immerse myself in my hobby - namely Flyer trains - and leave the rest of the big, bad, world at work. Lately it seems to be more oriented to name-calling, intolerance, and thoughtless shoot-from-the-hip comments. Here's a short litmus test to use before you hit the SEND key to see if your message belongs on this list. 1. Does the subject matter relate to trains - specifically S-Gauge trains, and 2. Does my response help someone, or 3. Is my message informative, or 4. Am I promoting my hobby, and 5. Is my response (including quoted comments) appropriate for family viewing. If your message does not pass this test - then delete it, and enjoy the posts from others on the S-List. Thank You, Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10246	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: VISIT NORTH PENN S GAUGERS

Do to technical difficulties we had to rebuild our website. If you have us bookmarked or want to read our latest news, please visit: http://members.nbci.com/npsg_web/main.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10247	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: coal loaders

I came up with something that works pretty well, but I would like to try the other two ideas suggested so far to see if they aren't even better. I've found that size, material, and dust contribute to smooth loading. I use black aquarium stone (don't remember the brand name, maybe Super-stone or something like that, I'll look for a bag or label at home) with my 785. Pour some in a lettuce strainer that has ~1/8" holes in it. The ones left inside the strainer are too big, give them to your Lionel friends (just kidding). Collect the stones that passed through. Put them in a wire-mesh stainer that has about 1 mm square openings in the mesh. The particles that pass through the strainer are to small, give those to your n-scale buddies. Next, wash the stones that remained in the wire-mesh strainer under a spigot. Turn the mass of stones as you do. This gets any loose dust off and lets any remaining tiny pieces through the mesh. Let the "processed" stones dry thoroughly (i.e. come back in a day or two). Then, load in up all the coal, gotta let 'em roll!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10248	From: gpmlg@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: unsubscribe

We be out of town until 13th. thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10249	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*

Hi, A moment of levity? Newspaper Headline to come based upon recent posts : Model Trains S Gauge list member guilty of drive-by shooting from coach of moving Amtrak Train. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10250	From: plotnick	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Repairing Alco motor

I am rebuilding an a 361 from a variety of odds and ends I have accumulated. I have several questions: 1. I tried rewinding the field of one of the motors and was not satisfied with the result (too irregular, not tight enough). Can someone suggest a jig of some kind that I can rig up or some other way of improving the result? 2. I have several spools of coated wire without a label (from Radio Shack). Is there any easy way to properly gauge them? 3. I bought some repro brushes, to repair one where the block had come off the brass strip. I have had nothing but trouble trying to attach them to the brass strip, they break at the slightest handling. How should I go about doing this? (I seem to remember something on this list not long ago). Thanks in advance -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10251	From: david s garber	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Allentown train show

I will be going to the Allentown Pa. show this Sat. Would like to say hello to any other list member that might be there. Thanks Dave d.garber@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10252	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Fwd: Re: *sigh* & Christmas snow.....

I have the same problem - that's why I always model Fall - it solves the problem with snow :) >Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:06:20 -0000 >From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> >To: "M.McConnell" <mmcconn@...> >Subject: Re: *sigh* & Christmas snow..... > >Mike McConnell writes,... >((((Here's a short litmus test to use before you hit the SEND key to >see if your message belongs on this list. > > 1. Does the subject matter relate to trains - specifically S-Gauge >trains, and > 2. Does my response help someone, or > 3. Is my message informative, or > 4. Am I promoting my hobby, and > 5. Is my response (including quoted comments) appropriate for family >viewing.)))) > >Five very good points!!! Thanks Mike!! Still would like more info on >the types of snow for Christmas layouts, What is your favorite type >and why. > >Thanks, >Rick (I'm gettin' itchy to start on the holiday layout!) Evans

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10253	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*

Hmm, Shouldn't that read "Drive-by spamming"??? ;-) S' David "I gotta millyun of 'em" D. (And if you know who used that line, yer older than me!)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10254	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Repairing alco motor

Roy: my next Roundhouse in the Nov/Dec S Gaugian Is about diesel motors. You ought to take a look at it when it arrives. 1. You don't need a jig when rewinding a diesel field. You can chuck one arm in a vise if you want. You just need to pull each winding tight as you make it, and move from side to side. The first few rows can be wound in perfect order, then it can get a little less organized. i believe there are about 160 or 180 turns of #30 wire. If the windings don't end up quite where they should, you can move them around afterward with soft wooden tools such as a dixie cup spoon and a piece of dowel.Diesel fields are not expensive -- you might want to think about just buying another. 2. As far as I know, the only magnet wire Radio Shack sells is a pack of three small spools of #'s 22, 26, and 30 wire. If that is what you have, the thickest wire would be the #22, and the thinnest would be #30. Wire gauge is determined by a tool called a wire gauge, which has a series of holes and slots to measure wire diameter. 3. To mount diesel brushes, you use a tool called a third hand tool. Radio Shack has an inexpensive one. It's just a small base with two or three adjustable arms ending in alligator clips. After filing the metal on the arm where the brush will go down to clean bare metal and unclogging the little hole in it, , place the arm in one clip and the brush in another, adjust them until the brush is held correctly, and then andd a little flux paste with a toothpick and solder the joint. The brushes are graphite, whit a small copper coating on the back for solder to adhere to. Unfortunately there may be an old bad batch of repro diesel brushes out there with not enough copper on them to hold the brush securely. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10255	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: repairing Alco motor correction

I gave some incorrect data in my earlier post. #30 wire is not the correct size to use in diesel fields. Sorry. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10256	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: *sigh*

Jimmy Duranty although I misspelled his name David Dewey wrote: > > Hmm, > Shouldn't that read "Drive-by spamming"??? ;-) > > S' > David "I gotta millyun of 'em" D. > (And if you know who used that line, yer older than me!) > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10257	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/8/2000
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: *sigh* & Christmas snow.....

I paint my board white first, then I use the two dept 56 snows that they carry. The first stuff you can by in a large box is acoarser snow. You just have the kids throw it on like its snowing. the second kind has a veyr finefresh fallen snow look with sparkles or glitter in it. If you get it in the tracks a little it doesn't hurt the trains at all. If you are worried a bit ,just use a dust buster to remove from the tracks. This is also great if you are using white aquarium gravel for ballast. Check my website for some pics of how it looks. <A HREF="http://www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut/">Click here: COLLECTING AND RUNNING S-GAUGE TRAINS</A>www.trainweb.org/cbtrainnut. Click on the small pics to enlarge them. Let me know if this helps you all .Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10258	From: John	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re Daily Digest

Hi paul <jde Here> Something has gone wrong I have not recieved your e-mail list of S-Trains for the last 3 days please try and correct the problem as you are the only link we have up here in the Snow Country.As the info is very helpfull re the S-Guage Trains. Thanks I remain John Denholm jde@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10259	From: John	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Re Daily Digest

Hi Paul <jde here> Thanks list arrived this am great service Paul! John Denholm.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10260	From: Marty.Thorin	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: A public apology

After the model contest at Fall S-Fest, a nice gentleman approached me while I was showing my steeplecab electrics to Truman. This gentleman inquired if I was willing to build one for him. I, very tired, told him how many hours I had in the models and what I would cost per hour, etc. etc. etc. He walked away. It was MY low point at the meet. If any of you know who I insulted would you please have him contact me off list so I can apologize for my insensitive behavior? Although I do not want to build any steeplecabs for sale because I just don't have the time with a new daughter, I would be delighted to tell HOW I built mine. The steeplecab shell is still available from Hoquat Hobbies. I have about 200 pages of documentation / illustrations including parts lists, goofs and gaffs, and what worked. (I built the second steeplecab to do a series of articles for Billy Wade's magazine but it folded.) Thorin Thorin.Marty@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10261	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Raleigh (NC) Train Show

The Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Train Show will be held from 9 a.m. until 5 p.m. this weekend (Saturday and Sunday, November 11-12) in the Kerr-Scott Building at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, NC. The Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers will be there operating their modular layout. Joe's Train Repair also will be there in case any of you S gaugers need parts. There is a coupon in the newspaper for $1 off the admission price, which, I believe, is $4.50. Stop by, say hello, and tell us that you saw this on S-Trains. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10262	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/9/2000
Subject: Christmas snow.....

"Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow!" HA!! No chance of that in MY part of Calif.!! In the Dec. '99 issue of CTT Wade Boyette created snow for his layout by grinding discarded foam packing in a blender. It looked pretty fine in the pictures. Has anyone tried this?? I don't see how it would grind up so fine. I'll have to experiment to see. It seems to me the pieces would just fly around inside the blender. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10263	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: S scale structures: American Model Builders

In case you're not familiar with this manufacturer --- American Model Builders (http://www.laserkit.com/laserkit.htm) now has 10 kits in S scale. AMB has been producing highly regarded kits in other scales for a number of years. They started releasing their kits in S I believe a year or so ago, and they are up to 10 offerings now. If you have not seen them, take a look. Check you favorite S scale dealer to see if they carry or can get them for you. Failing that, my observation is that most hobby shops carry AMB kits, and would likely be willing to order S scale versions for you I suspect. Michael PS I have no affiliation with AMB other than as a satisfied customer.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10264	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set

Ohhh, that eBay! I did an "American Models" search and found this: "American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set 7 NICE" Heart in mouth, I went to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488895548 Pictures opening looked just like ones posted in egroups files, price $158.05! Oh dear, oh dear, Danger Will Robinson! What are these??? What does he mean "American Models"? Anybody familiar with this stuff? The recovering Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10265	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set

These cars were manufactured by the AMERICAN MODEL TOY company starting in the early 1950's. In fact they were advertised by CORR'S, Washington,DC in Vol. 1. No. 1, November, 1951 of TOY TRAINS magazine. AMT also offered A & B, F units, and a nice line of semi-scale freight cars. I believe that the present line of Williams O gauge 3 rail F units and freight cars are the direct decendents of the AMT line. Tom Davis, Charlotte,NC

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10266	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set

Made by American Models Co. (see http://www.americanmodels.com/) If they are streamliners they may be 80 footers wirth scale flanges and couplers. busy-boy wrote: > > Ohhh, that eBay! > I did an "American Models" search and found this: > "American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set 7 NICE" > Heart in mouth, I went to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488895548 > Pictures opening looked just like ones posted in egroups files, price > $158.05! > > Oh dear, oh dear, Danger Will Robinson! > > What are these??? What does he mean "American Models"? > Anybody familiar with this stuff? > > The recovering > Chris Zizzo > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10267	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set

Yep, those are O-Gauge cars by AMT. Rich G. Chuck Smith wrote: > Made by American Models Co. (see http://www.americanmodels.com/) > > If they are streamliners they may be 80 footers wirth scale flanges and > couplers. > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > Ohhh, that eBay! > > I did an "American Models" search and found this: > > "American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set 7 NICE" > > Heart in mouth, I went to: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488895548 > > Pictures opening looked just like ones posted in egroups files, price > > $158.05! > > > > Oh dear, oh dear, Danger Will Robinson! > > > > What are these??? What does he mean "American Models"? > > Anybody familiar with this stuff? > > > > The recovering > > Chris Zizzo > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@e... > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10268	From: Bill Porter	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set

With the insights provided by the researchers, it is possible to closely inspect the photos of the trucks. They appear to have those handy rollers used to pick power from the center rail. Why hasn't anyone figured out how to do that for S sized Flyer? Later, Bill Porter -----Original Message----- From: Rich Gajnak <rich.gajnak@...> To: STrains <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:34 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Re: American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set >Yep, those are O-Gauge cars by AMT. > >Rich G. > >Chuck Smith wrote: > >> Made by American Models Co. (see http://www.americanmodels.com/) >> >> If they are streamliners they may be 80 footers wirth scale flanges and >> couplers. >> >> busy-boy wrote: >> > >> > Ohhh, that eBay! >> > I did an "American Models" search and found this: >> > "American Models NYC Alum Passenger Set 7 NICE" >> > Heart in mouth, I went to: >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=488895548 >> > Pictures opening looked just like ones posted in egroups files, price >> > $158.05! >> > >> > Oh dear, oh dear, Danger Will Robinson! >> > >> > What are these??? What does he mean "American Models"? >> > Anybody familiar with this stuff? >> > >> > The recovering >> > Chris Zizzo >> >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10269	From: john foley	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: Allentown show

At 11:21 AM 11/10/2000 -0500, Ingrid Grimes wrote: >Hi, > > Would you mind posting some details about this show (dates, times, >directions). I would love to go. > >Thanks, > >Jim Grimes >tsbikes@... Hi Jim The allentown train show is this Sat. the 11th 9 AM-4PM. Sun. the 12th 9AM-3PM. It's held at the Allentown Fairgrounds Agricultural Hall. John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10270	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: A.F. Armatures

I am in the process of identifying & marking my surplus A.F. steam locomotive armatures & fields with part #'s, and I am in need of some add'l input. From my observation all of the AC fields are the same, Gilbert's parts list AC fields as # xa9547 with an extension of A, B, C, and D , but they all have the same dimensions and resistance. This may have been because of the length of the lead wire??? Identifying the armatures is more difficult, DC Armatures are all pre pul-mor marked with red die ??? They seem to have the same physical dimensions and resistance as the AC pre pul-mor Armatures. The armature listed for the 21145, 0-8-0, calls for a # xa13b926 and field # xa13927, as I don't have one of these loco.'s I can' check, but I believe it is the same as the small pull-mor motor installed in the rest of the 1958 production line except it had a motor brush plate # xa14c423-rp to mount the hard to repair 3 step reverse unit on the back of the motor. I welcome ALL comments, and will post my findings on completion of my study. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10271	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Re: A.F. Armatures

Jerry, the 21145 has the typical 2-step reverse unit, and a barrel commutator motor (at least mine does, and AFAIK, it's never been altered) The Pulmor motors have larger winding plates (Hmm, that's not the right term, but don't have time right now to find it/figure it out), in other words, you see less of the wire windings than you do on non-pulmors. Also the added oil slinger (actually a thrust bearing) is another variable (which is why there are three brush plates). Don't forget the large motors, which are "thicker" than the others. The hard to find 4 step unit that mounts on the back of the motors in 346s and I guess some 343s might take a special brush plate, or they may just be barrel commutator jobs?? You may uncover something else not noted before too! S' DAvid D Off to the train show!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10272	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10273	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/10/2000
Subject: A.F. Armatures.

There are a lot of armatures, that's for sure. i THINK as far as end commutator armatures there are three different pre-pulmor ones, one pul-mor one, the large motor one, and two different DC ones. There are also three or even four barrel commutator types, viz large, medium, small, and ridiculous. The docksider armature is different. There are also armatures for the coal loader, whistling billboard, sawmill, etc, that are easily confused with loco armatures. it would be great if we could get this question straightened out. Perhaps Bob Hannon might have something to say about it. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10274	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Rocky Mountain Division TCA Auction

AUCTION November 24, 2000 Holiday Inn I-70 and Chambers road, Aurora CO.. Catalog: $5.00 Payable to RMD-TCA John Pease 719-528-7133 1440 Rockridge Ct. Colorado Springs, CO. 80918 ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10275	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: MTH catalog.....

Went down to the local train store and picked up the 2001 MTH catalog,...so now I can at least stare at the PICTURE of "Gabe the Lamplighter" until mine actually arrives next year!! Hope I'm still kickin' and there will still be electricity in late 2001 to run my trains and Gabe!!!! Rick (not holding his breath) Evans :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10276	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Decals

Ok, the published e-mail address does not work. Here's a postal address to try. Black Cat Publishing 234 Lindenwood Drive West Winnipeg Manitoba R3C 1X7 > Ted, > Is that the correct email address? I tried it several > times and had it returned? > Have a good evening! > Andrew > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted R Larson <mhrreast@...> > To: <S-Scale@egroups.com>; <S-Trains@onelist.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 9:19 PM > Subject: [S-Scale] Decals > The April 2000 Mainline Modeler reports that Black Cat Publishing (aifergus@...) Winnipeg Manitoba "produces some of the finest Canadian Railroad decals on the market." including some in S scale.<<<<<<< ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10277	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/11/2000
Subject: Portable Layout - Part 4 - Scenery

Thanks to Bill Porter I am now working on Scenery. Don't laugh, this is my first crack at it. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part4/part4.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10278	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: All Aboard panels

Would anyone in this group happen to have 2 All Aboard straight sections with switches for sale. I am trying to put together something for one of my grandsons for Christmas. It will be his first set & lay-out. Right now all I have is 4 curved sections which are all alike. Therefore, I would also consider a curved section with a tunnel, etc. I also need the clips which hold the sections together. Any information on these would be appreciated. Thanks! Mike Leahy P.S. I also have for sale or trade a 21925 UP diesel which had some black paint splattered on it. A person will probably have to repaint the shell. The engine is complete, but needs to be serviced (maybe rebushed). What do you have for trade?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10279	From: michael prell	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

Well, "DUH!" back atcha Lawrence! In case you did not know it, this Huge Affront to all of humanity and civilization as we know was posted a week ago. Since then the dummy (ME!) that posted it has publically apologized for this gross error in what he (I) thought at the time to be POSSIBLE! OK?????Can we get on with our lives, go back to playing with our trains and let this thing REST? Anyone want to vote on this? OOOPS!!!!Better not. We'd probably have to let Florida decide the outcome! CHEEEEEEEESE!!!!Don't have a nice day! --- lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> wrote: > Let the sky fall!!!!!! If the "government" wanted > to collect a nickel for every e-mail, let me tell > you brother they would. There are ways of putting > a counter at your service provider to count all > the mails you send. The telephone companies count > all your phone calls do they not??????????? This > list has an archive with all message sent to it. > Wow look at the money available to them to steel > or feed the old pork barrel. WOW!!!!!!! If > congress wanted to do it, they would > But I do agree with you this is garbage to post > this to our list. > Larry > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > Here is one of the classic stupid things people > say in e-mail: > > > > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10280	From: michael prell	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Portable Layout - Part 4 - Scenery

Hay, man! If this is your FIRST attempt, I can't waite to see things in about five years time! Very nice! --- Paul Yorke <yorke@...> wrote: > Thanks to Bill Porter I am now working on Scenery. > Don't laugh, this is > my first crack at it. > http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part4/part4.html > > -- > Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. > American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers > http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail > PaulYorke@...) > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10281	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Translation of advertising terms

A short preface: This is sent for levity only, no implications, I just thought it was funny! (and these groups need some humor about now!) S' David D. Marketing 101 What they really mean. NEW.different color from previous design. ALL NEW.parts not interchangeable with previous design. EXCLUSIVE.imported product. UNMATCHED.almost as good as the competition. DESIGN SIMPLICITY.cost cut to the bone (manufacturer's) FOOLPROOF DESIGN.no provision for adjustment. ADVANCED DESIGN.copywriter doesn't understand it. IT'S HERE AT LAST.rush job: nobody knew it was coming. FIELD-TESTED.manufacturer lacks test equipment. HIGH ACCURACY.unit on which all parts fit. DIRECT SALES ONLY.manufacturer had argument with distributor. RUGGED.too heavy to lift. LIGHTWEIGHT.lighter than rugged. YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT.finally got one that worked. UNPRECEDENTED PERFORMANCE.nothing we had before ever worked like this. REVOLUTIONARY.it's different from our competitors. BREAKTHROUGH.we finally figured out a way to sell it. FUTURISTIC.can't figure out another reason why it looks as it does. ENERGY SAVING.achieved when the power switch is "off." DISTINCTIVE.a different color or shape than our competitors. NO MAINTENANCE.impossible to fix. REDESIGNED.previous faults are corrected, we hope. HAND CRAFTED.machine that assembles it is operated without gloves. PERFORMANCE PROVEN.will operate through warranty period. MEETS QUALITY STANDARDS.ours, not yours. SATISFACTION GUARANTEED.manufacturer's, upon receipt of the check.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10282	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Duh!

This has been dead for a week. WHY START it again????????? Larry michael prell wrote: > > Well, "DUH!" back atcha Lawrence! In case you did not > know it, this Huge Affront to all of humanity and > civilization as we know was posted a week ago. Since > then the dummy (ME!) that posted it has publically > apologized for this gross error in what he (I) thought > at the time to be POSSIBLE! OK?????Can we get on with > our lives, go back to playing with our trains and let > this thing REST? Anyone want to vote on this? > OOOPS!!!!Better not. We'd probably have to let Florida > decide the outcome! CHEEEEEEEESE!!!!Don't have a nice > day! > --- lawrence jackman <ljack70117@...> wrote: > > Let the sky fall!!!!!! If the "government" wanted > > to collect a nickel for every e-mail, let me tell > > you brother they would. There are ways of putting > > a counter at your service provider to count all > > the mails you send. The telephone companies count > > all your phone calls do they not??????????? This > > list has an archive with all message sent to it. > > Wow look at the money available to them to steel > > or feed the old pork barrel. WOW!!!!!!! If > > congress wanted to do it, they would > > But I do agree with you this is garbage to post > > this to our list. > > Larry > > > > busy-boy wrote: > > > > > > Here is one of the classic stupid things people > > say in e-mail: > > > > > > > > ===== > Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10283	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Ebay Add

So what do you think about this as a "potential" auction item in Ebay? VERY RARE American Flyer 302ac with Tender. I would rate this piece in Excellent condition. The item is almost perfect. The only problems that I can see, is that the wheels on the tender is missing. There is a few nicks and bashes on the tenders paint. Alot of rust. The loco itself has a broken cow catcher. But maybe not if it isnt supposed to have one? Dont know if it works but the motor is there? I think? Allso there is wear marks over the loco and the drive wheels are missing. Besides these minor items, I would say it is like new. Good luck to the winning bidder. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10284	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Ebay Add

BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8^) Robert Wight wrote: > > So what do you think about this as a "potential" auction item in Ebay? > > VERY RARE American Flyer 302ac with Tender. I would rate this piece in Excellent condition. The item is almost perfect. The only problems that I can see, is that the wheels on the tender is missing. There is a few nicks and bashes on the tenders paint. Alot of rust. The loco itself has a broken cow catcher. But maybe not if it isnt supposed to have one? Dont know if it works but the motor is there? I think? Allso there is wear marks over the loco and the drive wheels are missing. Besides these minor items, I would say it is like new. Good luck to the winning bidder. > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10285	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers

Friends, Hopefully a simple question. What type (flat head, oval head, round head), size (#4,5 or 6), and length screws are generally recommended for holding the American Flyer control buttons to wood? Oops, another question. Does the length vary between the early, general controllers and the later controllers with the individual device labelled on them. Gettin' geared up for a Holiday display! Thanks, Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10286	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10287	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers

Bill, Both styles of controllers take the same sized screw. I prefer slotted, oval head, although flat heads will work fine. Slotted just is more "period" than phillips, although phillips were invented back around '33, just most people didn't use them at home. A real nice touch is using nickle or chrome plated screws. I think I'm using #6 size, they're 1-1/4" long. Switch controllers take a Round head screw, 1-1/2" long. Since I don't have a screw size gauge, you might want to check, these could be #4 or even #5 screws! (fives might be hard to find) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10288	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: Re: Screw Size & Type for AF Controllers

A #6 is .138 inches in Dia. You can figure Dia of a number screw by multiplying the number by .013" then adding .060'. A #6 is 6X.013+.60=.138 A #4 would be 4X.013+.060=.112" Larry David Dewey wrote: > > Bill, > Both styles of controllers take the same sized screw. I prefer slotted, > oval head, although flat heads will work fine. Slotted just is more "period" > than phillips, although phillips were invented back around '33, just most > people didn't use them at home. A real nice touch is using nickle or chrome > plated screws. I think I'm using #6 size, they're 1-1/4" long. Switch > controllers take a Round head screw, 1-1/2" long. > Since I don't have a screw size gauge, you might want to check, these > could be #4 or even #5 screws! (fives might be hard to find) > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10289	From: leemax@jps.net	Date: 11/12/2000
Subject: [S-Scale] Commercial Announcement - River Raisin Models

I thought this was worth passing on to the S-Trains list, as the following announcement states the River Raisin Models UP Gas Turbine locomotive in "S" is now being offered in Hi-Rail DC. If you have any questions, you can e-mail them at <raisinone@...>. Lee >Notice - Commercial Announcement >The following letter is being distributed by River Raisin Models >concerning the Union Pacific Turbine Project... > >November 10, 2000 > >Dan and I wanted to up date you on the status of the Union Pacific >GTEL 8500 hp Gas Turbine Electric Locomotive project. > >As of this date we are 12 deposits short of the minimum number necessary >to build this project. We have consulted with the builder and will hold >the period for deposits open until the end of the year before making our >final decision. So you have a clear understanding, the number of firm >deposits we need represents only a portion of the total number of models >to be built. It is to give us some degree of comfort to make the >financial commitment on such a large and complex project. We are not >asking you to subscribe to 100% of the project or even cover our >break-even point. As with all our endeavors, if the project is canceled >your deposit will be promptly returned. If the necessary deposits are >received to make the project a 'go', your deposit will become >non-refundable and non-transferable. > >If you know of anyone considering a Union Pacific GTEL 8500 hp Turbine >Locomotive, urge them to make the choice now. Already committed? Why >not consider a second turbine and own one of each version? We want to >make this project happen for S scale and are asking for your support. >These will be magnificent models, employing the very latest in precise >detail and a solid strong-pulling drive system. We are announcing today >that these models will also be offered in a Hirail - DC version at the >same price. The turbines will run on a minimum radius of 29". > >We hope you will seriously consider owning one of these fine models. At >River Raisin we are constantly reviewing what we have done in the past >to make sure each new project rises to an even higher level of quality >and precision. We believe our S scale models are second to none in >offering you the modeler the maximum in quality, performance and value >for your investment. At River Raisin we are firmly committed to the >vision that "Close enough is just not good enough?" > >Contact us if you have any questions. Thank you for your continued >support. > >Best wishes: Jim & Dan > River Raisin Models > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10290	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Alco repair

Thanks to all of you for your advice on the Alco. It now has two working motors. One small issue remains; one pair of brushes gets pretty hot after running for a few minutes at high speed. The other set remains cool to the touch. The wheels on the truck are a bit loose. Could the overheating be related to the wear on the chassis? -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10291	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Easy AF compatible kit?

My 9 year has expressed interest in scratch building a box car or gondola to add to my all AF layout using AF track. Since I've never built up anything like this from scratch and in the interest of success, I'm wondering if there's some sort of easy and relatively inexpensive kit or line of kits available. At this time I don't think high detail or realism is as important as actually finishing, with help if necessary, a decent looking car that works. Any sources or other suggestions are greatly appreciated. -- Jerry Riechert riecherg@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10292	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Alco repair

Yes. ALCOs are notorious for running hot when wheel bushings wear. My favorite repair was always to buy another American Models diesel and let the Flyer look pretty on the shelf. Now my Flyers are all relegated to shelf duty and I have a fleet of superbly running diesels. Seriously though, the only effective repair seems to be rebush or replace the truck. Roy Plotnick wrote: > > Thanks to all of you for your advice on the Alco. It now has two working > motors. One small issue remains; one pair of brushes gets pretty hot after > running for a few minutes at high speed. The other set remains cool to the > touch. The wheels on the truck are a bit loose. Could the overheating be > related to the wear on the chassis? > -Roy > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10293	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit?

There are kits. Some of the easiest are in the AM line. A gondols is really easy, just glue on ladders and a few detail parts. Hoppers are also easy. Only thing a 9 year old needs is a little experience with neat gluing. If you use super glue and end up with shiny glue spots on the car simply dull coat it with Testor's Dulcote. AM's website is: http://www.americanmodels.com/ Jerry Riechert wrote: > > My 9 year has expressed interest in scratch building a box car or gondola to > add to my all AF layout using AF track. Since I've never built up anything > like this from scratch and in the interest of success, I'm wondering if > there's some sort of easy and relatively inexpensive kit or line of kits > available. At this time I don't think high detail or realism is as important > as actually finishing, with help if necessary, a decent looking car that > works. Any sources or other suggestions are greatly appreciated. > > -- > Jerry Riechert riecherg@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10294	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?

Jerry, Pacific Rail Shops has made box car parts available. You could get some of the more complex parts like the doors, roof, etc and let your son (or daughter) build whatever other parts are needed and add the prefab details. You could have him do as little or as much as your want. S Helper Service has American Flyer compatible trucks and couplers. I think it's great that a 9 year old wants to do this. The future of the hobby will be in his hands someday. Roy Hoffman >My 9 year has expressed interest in scratch building a box car or gondola to >add to my all AF layout using AF track. Since I've never built up anything >like this from scratch and in the interest of success, I'm wondering if >there's some sort of easy and relatively inexpensive kit or line of kits >available. At this time I don't think high detail or realism is as important >as actually finishing, with help if necessary, a decent looking car that >works. Any sources or other suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >-- >Jerry Riechert riecherg@... > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10295	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Southern PA

Does anyone know the correct way to paint the roof of a Southern PA? Were they green or black? Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10296	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Alco repair

The hot running motor may be due to the armature or field being partly toasted, as well as worn chassis. Is this the motor with the rewound field? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10297	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Easy AF compatible kit

The PRS 50' boxcars are not easy to assemble, make a fragile car when finished, and do not track well in an AF context, even with the addition of weight. I don't think that they would provide a lot of fun for a 9 year old. They look great, though. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10298	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit?

The Lehigh Valley S-Gaugers offer a couple of boxcar kits that are manufactured by Pacific Rail Shops. They are maybe a bit difficult for a 9-year-old by himself, but he could handle it with your help. They do make a very nice looking car with a high level of detail. They come in Lehigh Valley or Reading trim. The URL is http://members.nbci.com/lvsg/ then look under "Club Cars." Dan Brindell -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Riechert <riecherg@...> To: S-Trains mailing list <S-Trains@egroups.com>; S-Scale mailing list <s-scale@egroups.com>; TCA Tinplate Toy Trains mailing list <toytrains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, November 13, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Easy AF compatible kit? >My 9 year has expressed interest in scratch building a box car or gondola to >add to my all AF layout using AF track. Since I've never built up anything >like this from scratch and in the interest of success, I'm wondering if >there's some sort of easy and relatively inexpensive kit or line of kits >available. At this time I don't think high detail or realism is as important >as actually finishing, with help if necessary, a decent looking car that >works. Any sources or other suggestions are greatly appreciated. > >-- >Jerry Riechert riecherg@... > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10299	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit

This may appear to be an 'off the wall' suggestion, but the occasional old NIMCO roling stock kits, particularly reefers, do show up at train shows (e.g., S- Fest), and not for too much money. This may seem to be a strange suggestion, but I did assemble a NIMCO car when I was 10, and I still have it. If you put out a request on the S-trains list, you may just get lucky. For the heck of it. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10300	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: Re: Easy AF compatible kit

Hi, Just a comment. I bought a scale 50' AM boxcar in the early 80's because I always wanted a "State of Maine" boxcar. Bought the couplers needed for flyer also. The car never tracked well; derailed in curves and just plainly -gave me fits, but it looks great! After that it was for show only, and yes, it's a fragile piece. Months ago I decided to experiment-again with this car. Took off the flyer couplers. They were couplers mounted on a ring device and held to the truck with 2 screws. I put the current AM flyer couplers ( have the plastic shaft) on this car which mount to the floor of the car body (the truck mounting screw holds them in place). I cut off the nubs that Ron recommneds for free swing. I now have this car running on my layout and it has yet to behave badly! It is a complete turnaround! And used the short shaft couplers which makes this piece look great in place. I'm sure it will find a partner it doesn't like sooner or later. For now, it's between a AM & Showcase car and runs fine. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10301	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: AF/ LTI ITEMS FOR SALE

Hi Guys TWO Items for sale If intersted contact me off list at: Anormal1@... My name is Mike These are both new in the box ,they have been out of the box but never run. The boxes are a little shelf worn. They are as follows: #6-48016 GP-20 Christmas Diesel $325.00 #6-48129 PH-1 Non powered Diesel $100.00 ( Silver Flash ) Will entertain offers, But will list on E-Bay By Mid -week Thank You

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10302	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/13/2000
Subject: checking to see if my mail is being posted

Just a mail check

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10303	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?

Assuming that this suggestion: >Pacific Rail Shops has made box car parts available. You could get some of >the more complex parts like the doors, roof, etc and let your son (or >daughter) build whatever other parts are needed and add the prefab details. >You could have him do as little or as much as you want. produced this response: >The PRS 50' boxcars are not easy to assemble, make a fragile car when >finished, and do not track well in an AF context, even with the addition of >weight. I don't think that they would provide a lot of fun for a 9 year >old. They look great, though. I agree! However that is when you consider an entire kit with all the add-on details like the grabirons, etc. attached. I was suggesting that particular parts such as the doors, roofs, etc. could be attached to whatever else is scratchbuilt. >My 9 year has expressed interest in scratch building a box car or gondola to >add to my all AF layout using AF track. Since I've never built up anything >like this from scratch and in the interest of success, I'm wondering if >there's some sort of easy and relatively inexpensive kit or line of kits >available. At this time I don't think high detail or realism is as important >as actually finishing, with help if necessary, a decent looking car that >works. Any sources or other suggestions are greatly appreciated. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10304	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Easy AF compatible kit?

Why not try an American Models kit? These kits are very easy to assemble, very much like the Athearn H0 kits. The American model kits are truly "shake-the-box" type of assembly. With the new the American Models hi-rail trucks and improved American Flyer compatible couplers they will operate flawlessly over the American Flyer track system. Check them out, it would be a great first kit for a youngster, or even some of you oldsters who shy away from kit building. It is nice to be able to say, "I built it myself"! Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10305	From: Roger	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 814

On page 98 of "PA Alco's Glamour Girl" by Romano there is a ground level picture of a Southern Railway PA. The roof appears to be black or dark gray. It looks like a flat or non-gloss paint and is clearly different from the green of the side stripe. It appears that the upper part of the side, above the green stripe, is the same black as the roof. Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10306	From: Roger	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 813 - Control button screws

This past weekend I added a control button to the board I take to train shows and it reminded me of the variables in mounting buttons. A #4 screw is a little loose, while a #6 screw is a little too big, and a #5 is just right. On some occasions I have drilled out the holes one drill size and the #6 fits fine, except that the head looks a tad too big for the countersink in the button. I have trouble finding #4 and #5 screws longer than 1". 1" protrudes about 1/4" through the newer black buttons and seems fine for mounting them. The older brown buttons are a little thicker and only allow about 1/8" screw projection with a 1" screw - not much to bite into the wood. If I were mounting them I might look for 1-1/4" #6 screws and open the holes up a hair. I agree with David that the oval head screw makes the most pleasing job, but a flat head is not bad. The brown buttons are 1-9/16" wide x 2-9/16" long while the black buttons are 1-3/4" wide x 2-5/8" long. Regards, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10307	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco SR Paint jobs & Others

Thought I might inject some advice given to me while experimenting on a paint scheme for a locomotive (for a RR that's no longer running, & the deal was never consumated, said loco is now on its way to Yreka Western): "Anyone who paints Alco roofs any color but black, doesn't know Alcos." The implication is that Alcos throw a lot of soot out the stack. So, are you looking at soot in the photos, or paint?? ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10308	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Help wanted

The following email was forwarded to me from MRN. Although I came from the AF ranks, I'm a scaler now and really can't answer questions like this. Therefore in the interest of helping this guy out, I'm forwarding his question to the list. Any answers will get back to MRN along with any due credit. BTW the S-Curves column in MRN is going well and I wanted to assure everyone that I have the blessing of the magazine to cover ALL of S. MRN is giving us the opportunity to broadcast to the model railroad hobby in general that we're alive, well and GROWING. Thanks for your "S"upport. Roy ---------------------------------------------------- Dear MRN: Not being sure of where to go for information, I will go to the experts. I have recently purchased an American Flyer #477-478 Alco A-B Silver Flash which is in need of some touchups. Could you please inform me of what paint is or can be used to redo the silver top? Also, what paint is used on A.F. steam engines? Robert M. Stouse Radcliff, KY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10309	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: short step C&O 21234

Did this come with the same 2-position reverse unit as the long step version? Should you be able to see the reverse unit and have access to lock-tab between trucks? Thanks for your help. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10310	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco motors, wear and heat

I replaced my 470 and 371 trucks (360 as well) with LTI trucks. They have axle bushings built in. I noticed significant improvments in speed everytime (the original axle holes had noticeable wear in every case), and they all run cooler. Axle hole wear can cause all kinds of frustrating, down right tempermental, operational behavior with these engines (runs well cool, but not after awhile, etc.), but Tom Jarcho's point about centering the armatures in the fields is very imporant too. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10311	From: Peck	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: hot brushes

<one pair of brushes gets pretty hot after running for a few minutes at high speed. The other set remains cool to the touch. The wheels on the truck are a bit loose. Could the overheating be related to the wear on the chassis? > Yep.....90% chance that you got it right! Rebushing time! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10312	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: short step C&O 21234

Yes and yes, based onmy long step version with bell ringer. david_horn@... wrote: > > Did this come with the same 2-position reverse unit as the long step > version? Should you be able to see the reverse unit and have access to > lock-tab between trucks? Thanks for your help. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10313	From: john foley	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Model Railroader

Hi Folks I got a letter in the mail today from Jim Kelly the Managing Editor of Model Railroader. Seems that my letter of invitation to the NASG 2001 convention has hit pay dirt. In his letter Mr Kelly said " Figure on someone being there" So it looks like S Gauge should get a write up in one of their issues. John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10314	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Model Railroader

Nice goin' John john foley wrote: > > Hi Folks > I got a letter in the mail today from Jim Kelly > the Managing Editor > of Model Railroader. Seems that my letter of invitation to the NASG 2001 > convention > has hit pay dirt. In his letter Mr Kelly said " Figure on someone being > there" So it > looks like S Gauge should get a write up in one of their issues. > > John Foley > NASG VP > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10315	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

578 Missouri Pacific Truck Lines. The set will letter 3 tractors/trucks. Some trucks/tractors had just the plane MP jenks blue, while the older tractors/trucks had the 2 tone MP blue & gray paint. Set will letter 3 trucks. Red, white & black lettering. 579 CGRX 3 bay covered hopper. (6-00) Painted light grey. Accurail kit. Set will letter one car. Black lettering. 580 IMRL 3 bay covered hopper. (4-98) Painted boxcar red. Accurail kit. Set will letter one car. White lettering. 581 KCS 3 bay covered hopper. (4-94) Painted boxcar red. Accurail kit. Set will letter one car. White lettering. Has the large KCS herald. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10316	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco SR paint jobs

There are only two photos of Southern Alco PA's in Andy Romano's book(the title is PA: Alco's Glamour Girl). One photo is in the Southern's green, gold, and white scheme. The roof appears to be flat black, but it's really hard to tell from the angle of the shot and the condition of the engine. The other photo is of a freshly-painted PA in Southern's later black, gold, and white paint scheme (I think I actually like the black painted Alco a little better than the green.) If you like PA's this is a nice book to have. The historical information is not as comprehensive as I would like, but it is decent and the book is filled with color photos of paint schemes I had never seen.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10317	From: scott griggs	Date: 11/14/2000
Subject: Alco motors, wear and heat

I have heard about LTI replacement Alco chassis with built-in bushings on several posts. Are these currently available and does anyone know a source? Is Lionel producing these on an ongoing basis or are they just soon-to-be-depleted leftover service stock from the 1981 run of PA's?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10318	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: LTI PA/GP chassis

I've purchased several over the past few years from Fred Jester. He advertises in S-Gaugian. I don't have his phone number with me. He generally prefers you buy from him at shows (I always stock up on parts at his display at York), but he takes phone orders if you call at night like I think the ad suggests. I think he charges about $22.50 each, or something like 5 for $100. They come with both wheel sets and gears (nylon) installed. The wheels are LTI grey metal, not brass, and you'll need to buy pulmor bands (4 per truck). You'll also need to tap all the holes, but that's not hard. I think the yoke holes are 6x32. The bearing hold-down and worm cover holes tap by just oiling and patiently using one of the matching small screws to set threads in the material (soft like original, that's why bushings are a good thing). I don't know if LTI makes these generally available any more or not. Hope so. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10319	From: Katie McWilliam	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Docksider

Looking for good running chassis for 21158 docksider. However, will buy good 21158, 21155, or 21156 complete. Can anyone help?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10320	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Alco motors, wear and heat

I get mine from Fred Jester (Fred's Train Parts, Chester PA 610-494-4578) He sells the complete truck & can motor with the rubber treads. Now that L has caught on they make good replacement parts for AF, the price has gone up - and they can be hard to find at times. >Message: 15 >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 04:08:12 -0000 >From: "scott griggs" <sgriggs@...> >Subject: Alco motors, wear and heat > >I have heard about LTI replacement Alco chassis with built-in bushings >on several posts. Are these currently available and does anyone know >a source? Is Lionel producing these on an ongoing basis or are they >just soon-to-be-depleted leftover service stock from the 1981 run of >PA's?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10321	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show

Dear Atlantic Coast S Gaugers and S Gauge Enthusiasts, The Neuse River Valley Model Railroad Show this past weekend at the Raleigh (NC) State Fairgrounds was a huge success. Setup went smoothly on Friday night, with Rhett George, Mike Myers (Virginia Central Division), Pete Hildebrand, Gene Sankowski, Butch Henion, and Joe Haenn all participating. Of course, as is their custom, the NRVMRRers fed us dinner, which consisted of make-em yourself sub sandwiches. Setup finished on Saturday morning and the show opened at 9 a.m. A special bonus was the new T module built by Butch Henion and its accompanying 4-track yard module. Ken Hollowing is building an additional 4-track yard module, which should be ready for the December show in Charlotte. With a shelf from Mike Myers, we were able to operate a 20 foot by 20 foot layout, with middle yard module. That is a total of 17 modules!! Crowds were excellent. This show tends to draw more families than any other show that we do, and there were plenty of youngsters in attendance who were awed with the accessories, sounds, sights, and smell of S gauge. I hope to post some pictures on Wayne Beachy's site later today. As Mike Myers said, he never heard so many people at one show remark on how S is the perfect size for model trains!! Sunday morning was a little thin as Pete and Gene had to return to Charlotte and Rhett had a church commitment. But Butch and Mike handled operating duties masterfully. Rhett, Tom Davis, and Ken Holloway joined the group at noon. Ken brought temporary badges for everyone, which will be available also for the Charlotte show. He also brought a mounted copy of the ACSG logo and the S Gaugian article, which was prominently displayed on the Division's S gauge literature table. Work is proceeding on the ACSG patches for both shirts and caps. (Speaking of caps, Mike Myers was awarded his engineer cap for participating in his fifth Carolinas Division show.) Although Sunday morning crowds were thin, the afternoon crowds were quite good. All members stayed to help tear down afterwards, and the NRVMRRers fed us chili for dinner. As a bonus, the Carolinas Division welcomes its newest member--Al Sabella. Al is from Wilson, NC and operates and collects American Flyer trains. He is interested in constructing a module to run with the club. Welcome, AL! With Al, the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers are now almost up to 100 members, and in less than 3 years. We have three divisions and 3 separate layouts. S Gauge is alive and well in the Atlantic Coast region. Joe Haenn ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10322	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: HUB Show Update

On Sunday November 12, the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders took their modular layout to the NMRA HUB Division show in Marlboro, MA. While this is not one of the standard yearly shows for the Bristol Club, the club felt it was a good opportunity to promote S. Thanks to an invitation from the HUB Division's show organizer (and reported S fan), the Bristol Club turned out in good numbers. The club layout drew a lot of attention from attendees (attendance reported at 1450+), and provided the opportunity to showcase S -- running at various times on the layout were American Flyer (original as well as re-motored & DCC installed), some of the recent vintage S products like S Helper Service SW-1s and SW-9s, American Models' steam and Amtrak Superliners, P-B-L's Heisler, Pennsylvania Heritage Models' RDC, along with a raft of other rolling stock featuring some of the newest products on the market from S Helper Service, R.S.S.V.P., American Models, & Crown Products (Port Lines). In addition a wealth of other models were displayed including some scratch-built items such as the three level auto carrier by Bill Frasier, as well as custom painted items such as several 44 tonners by Bill Frasier (Lehigh Valley) & Al Coughlan (Bay Colony), the beautiful output of the re-chroming service for American Flyer cars offered by Doug Peck at Port Lines Hobby Supplies, some custom painted B&M items from Dick Connors, and more. (Author's note: I'm sure I missed some items in this list since I was unable to stay for the entire day.) But when it was all said and done, it's the "action" of S that in the author's opinion really grabbed the crowd's attention, as compared with layouts of other scales. Whether it's the American Flyer accessories, the smoke & chug from American Flyer and American Models locomotives, the sound from Soundtraxx and/or Dallee sound units installed in many of the operating locos, the scratch-built operating coal car unloader, the multiple trains running on each mainline thanks to NMRA DCC, other locomotives working short spurs, or the operating crane brought by Tom Robichaud, it's total "movement" of S that gets people interested. It was also the case that some attendees attention was caught by the detailed nature of some of the S models, as well as some attendees fond remembrances of American Flyer in their youth. Based on the comments the author heard while at the show, it was a good show to showcase S to modelers in other scales. One attendee remarked that he was not aware it was possible to still get S gauge track, other than American Flyer (the Bristol Club layout is a combination of American Models flex and handlaid track), while another remarked at the extremely high quality of the newest S scale models from S Helper Service, R.S.S.V.P., P-B-L, River Raisin, Southwind, American Models and others. And of course the Heisler prompted several discussions about narrow gauge S and the beauty of it (author's note: just wait until Sn2 and Maine Two Footers starting making the show circuit!) Another fine day for S... Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10323	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: What are these?

I think http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=499482361 are a pair of 360 - 364 loco's. I emailed the owner for confirmation and so far have not been acknowledged, there is a big difference between actual and supposed. Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10324	From: Peck	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: S-Trains: chassis

<Are these currently available and does anyone know a source? Is Lionel producing these on an ongoing basis or are they just soon-to-be-depleted leftover service stock from the 1981 run of PA's? > We stock them. Presently available, but who knows when they'll no longer be available. "Lionel is not in the repair parts business", to paraphrase them. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10325	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@r...> wrote: (((( I think http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=499482361 are a pair of 360 - 364 loco's. I emailed the owner for confirmation and so far have not been acknowledged, there is a big difference between actual and supposed.)))) Well, I am certainly not the expert here, but the 360's were from '51 or so and would have come with linc couplers would they not? These could have had the couplers changed though. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10326	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?

Rick, The front of the PA unit is solid where as the 470's that I have are not, they have a cut-out for a front coupler. Also, the PB unit has GP frames on instead of true PA frames. Also the PB unit has a partial decal that seems to start with a '3' and not a '4'. Just basic observations I made on this set. Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans <comic@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: 15 November 2000 13:09 Subject: [S-Trains] Re: What are these? >--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Neil Trump" <neil_trump@r...> wrote: >(((( I think http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll? >ViewItem&item=499482361 are a pair of 360 - 364 loco's. I emailed >the owner for confirmation and so far have not been acknowledged, >there is a big difference between actual and supposed.)))) > >Well, I am certainly not the expert here, but the 360's were from '51 >or so and would have come with linc couplers would they not? These >could have had the couplers changed though. > >Rick. > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10327	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: what are these?

These are a 360 and either a 361 or 364. Since the B unit body appears to be slightly warped from the heat of the horn resistor/capacitor unit, more probably a 361. The B unit has GP-7 sideframes as noted in another post. What I wonder is if these GP-7 sideframes might be originally from a link coupler 370 and have homemade KC mounts. The couplers seem to stick out a bit farther than normal. Could be wrong about this though. Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10328	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Mainstreeter Trains

Hi: Does anyone know if Mainstreeter Trains is still in business. Haven't seen an ad for them in a long time and want to order some more of their side panels for gondolas. thanks

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10329	From: Eugene Steffan	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Layout sound

A question for the group! I have a CD recording of thunder storms, lightning, and rain. My background includes a thunderstorm. What is the best way to combine these two for the best effect (without buying a CD player, etc.)? Thanks, Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10330	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound

Use your computer with a CD drive? Don T. Eugene Steffan wrote: > A question for the group! > I have a CD recording of thunder storms, lightning, and rain. My > background includes a thunderstorm. What is the best way to combine > these two for the best effect (without buying a CD player, etc.)? > Thanks, Gene > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10331	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 11/15/2000
Subject: Re: Mainstreeter Trains

--- In S-Trains@egroups.com, Alex Binkley <alex.binkley@s...> wrote: > Does anyone know if Mainstreeter Trains is still in business... It sure is! I just talked with Gil Hulin, the owner, who is one of our IESGAPM members. He does have the side panels, other products, and a price list available. His address is 3895 Colony Oaks Drive, Eugene, OR, 97405. Tom Bangs

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10332	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: [advertising] Vote for Next Import

Howdy Friends I know that voting has gotten to be a sore subject of late. But now is the time for all good S modelers to come to the aid of their manufacturers! (gee, that sounds familiar!) The GP-30s will be history in a few more months, and now is the time to hear from you regarding the next brass import YOU would buy from Greenbrier Railroad Models. Geoff and I have discussed several models, but the reality is that while we can import anything, you are ones who make it a success by your support. Therefore your input is very important to us. Please submit suggestions for models that YOU would buy (assuming price, etc. meets your requirements)... not what you think S needs in the market for others. Here is the plan... 1. E-mail your nominations directly to B.T.S. Click here ---> mailto:bill@... 2. Multiple nominations are fine, but please prioritize them. 3. Nominations can be for cars (freight or passenger), locos (steam or diesel). 4. After a month or so, a web page with a voting similar to the recent one on structures will be added. And we will ask that you go to that site and vote for the final possibles. 5. Having seen lots of bad ballots lately, I promise this one will be easy! Thanks, as always, for your support and your assistance!! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10333	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotive Wheels????!!!!!

Does anyone out there know if the old S Scale Locomotive and Supply made a 63" dia. wheel with hi-rail flanges and the same with out a flange? Also if they were manufactured, any ideas of a source? Thanks, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10334	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Steam Locomotive Wheels????!!!!!

You might check with the new SSL&S at: testingspecialties@... -----Original Message----- From: TPDavis7@... <TPDavis7@...> To: S-Scale@egroups.com <S-Scale@egroups.com>; S-Trains@onelist.com <S-Trains@onelist.com> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: [S-Scale] Steam Locomotive Wheels????!!!!! >Does anyone out there know if the old S Scale Locomotive and Supply made a >63" dia. wheel with hi-rail flanges and the same with out a flange? Also if >they were manufactured, any ideas of a source? Thanks, Tom Davis > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10335	From: WNHOLCOMB@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Control Button Screws

Date: 11-16-00 I just found some #4 x 1 1/4 " phillips flat head screws at a Sears Hardware store that work fine for control buttons. Neil Holcomb

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10336	From: john foley	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] [advertising] Vote for Next Import

Hi Bill How about a FM H-10-44 -- H-12-44 H-10-44http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/nyc/nyc-des14a.gif H-12-44http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/nyc/nyc-des17.gif Lots of roads had them. John At 09:17 AM 11/16/2000 -0500, B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade wrote: >Howdy Friends > >I know that voting has gotten to be a sore subject of late. But now is >the time for all good S modelers to come to the aid of their >manufacturers! (gee, that sounds familiar!) > >The GP-30s will be history in a few more months, and now is the time to >hear from you regarding the next brass import YOU would buy from >Greenbrier Railroad Models. > >Geoff and I have discussed several models, but the reality is that while >we can import anything, you are ones who make it a success by your >support. Therefore your input is very important to us. Please submit >suggestions for models that YOU would buy (assuming price, etc. meets >your requirements)... not what you think S needs in the market for >others. > > >Here is the plan... > >1. E-mail your nominations directly to B.T.S. Click here ---> >mailto:bill@... > >2. Multiple nominations are fine, but please prioritize them. > >3. Nominations can be for cars (freight or passenger), locos (steam or >diesel). > >4. After a month or so, a web page with a voting similar to the recent >one on structures will be added. And we will ask that you go to that >site and vote for the final possibles. > >5. Having seen lots of bad ballots lately, I promise this one will be >easy! > >Thanks, as always, for your support and your assistance!! > >Take care, >Bill >-- >=============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ > Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer >Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 > B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com > S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com > Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from the list send a note to s-scale-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10337	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Latest TM book missing something?

Am I not looking carefully enough, or is the latest American Flyer book by TM missing the 48515 New Haven flat with steel girders car? Maybe they should have followed Bob Tuft's example and called it "The Almost Complete AF Price Guide and History". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10338	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Latest TM book missing something?

...complete or not...the book is a beauty!!! Now if we can just the the Video out of the same folks we'll be doing great. Roll with AF! Wayne david_horn@... wrote: > > Am I not looking carefully enough, or is the latest American Flyer book by > TM missing the 48515 New Haven flat with steel girders car? Maybe they > should have followed Bob Tuft's example and called it "The Almost Complete > AF Price Guide and History". > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10339	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound

, Eugene Steffan wrote: (((( A question for the group! I have a CD recording of thunder storms, lightning, and rain. My background includes a thunderstorm. What is the best way to combine these two for the best effect (without buying a CD player, etc.)? Thanks, Gene))))) So let me get this straight,...you have a CD but no player, and want to use it for layout sound. Do you have a cassette player?? Find someone with a CD player and a cassette recorder and dupe a copy. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10340	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?

Notice that the B unit has a partial number decal, that seems to start with a 3 . I have become a big collector of these early Alcos, and have noticed that very often you purchase pieces that have had many parts swapped or replaced. This PA & PB unit may not have even started out together. One could be a 470, and the other a 364! A lot can happen to a piece in 50 years! I think the B units were often separated from the A units because they were heavy, and basically reduced the number of cars you could pull around the track.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10341	From: Mark Preman	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

Not only did I get the November List up on the web but, I added a "Holiday Gift Page" for you to print and leave out for the wifey or significant other to find- hint, hint! Mark http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10342	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?

And another thing, if the PA in this auction was actually a 470, I believe the rear lettering would say "made by Gilbert", and would not have the "American Flyer" logo. I would say that the shells from this pair are actually from a 360/36? pair.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10343	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Latest TM book missing something?

In a message dated 11/16/00 1:27:41 PM, wayne@... writes: <<<< ...complete or not...the book is a beauty!!! Now if we can just get the Video out of the same folks we'll be doing great. Roll with AF! Wayne>> david_horn@... wrote: > > Am I not looking carefully enough, or is the latest American Flyer book by > TM missing the 48515 New Haven flat with steel girders car? >>>> ....but, the 48515 is so forgettable! Seriously, thanks for the "goof proof". We take suggestions and corrections seriously because nothing is perfect. I will get it in the next edition. There have been surprisingly few items MIA so far. A more important omission (in my view, because it is original Gilbert) is the scarce plug-in-tender version of the 293, which I wish I had remembered to include. TM is promising me the second AF video for next York -- a promise that he actually shows some signs of keeping because the AF Guide is selling pretty well. Again, thanks for the note, David. Thanks for the kudos, Wayne. Bob Bubeck

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10344	From: M.McConnell	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Re: Layout sound

One of the tricks we've used on our club's portable layout, is to records the sounds on a cassette. You can record multiple instances separated by varying amounts of "quiet". You could also include other sounds like car horns, birds, etc. Use a 90 minute tape and you get 45 minutes of unattended automated sounds. You can use any cheap player and if the volume is not loud enough, you can buy a fairly cheap set of battery-powered speakers from Radio Shack. You will, of course, need a CD player in order to record the sounds. . . >Message: 12 >Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:10:12 -0500 >Subject: Layout sound > > >A question for the group! >I have a CD recording of thunder storms, lightning, and rain. My >background includes a thunderstorm. What is the best way to combine >these two for the best effect (without buying a CD player, etc.)? >Thanks, Gene

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10345	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: Thunder storm sounds

Eugene: Go to the flee market and buy a cheep cassette Tape recorder,& from a hobby shop or radio shop buy a continuous Play tape and record the thunder storm on the tape, have the tape player so you can turn it off and on remotely. You can wire up a storm as shown on page 355, modelroading, Bantam 50 book. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10346	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: steam locomotive wheels`

There was some talk on either S-list or the S scale list about drive wheels some time ago, which involved drive wheels made in Britain, for another gauge, being useable in S. Perhaps you could find it in the archives. Sorry, I don't remember more than that. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10347	From: Reginald Cunningham	Date: 11/16/2000
Subject: S Helper Service

I have 16 pairs of hi-rail wheel sets. Would like To trade, for Scale wheel sets. I operate both. But I Need Scale. I use them on my Bachmann On3 passenger cars. Converted them to S-scale. I made a brass plate between the side frames. Works great. Run them with my Brass ten wheeler. Might try the Bachmann On3 old time cars. Reg Lapasafe@... Lamanda Park Santa Fe Torrance, Calif.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10348	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: What are these?

Hey Chuck, "I've become a major collector of these early Alcos" Hmm, define "major collector" ! You have a) a room full, and one storage shed full. b) A couple of dozen c) none of the above ;-) But seriously, I have noted the following: Red painted wheels (back side only) with scale flanges under a white plastic shell. These chassis have keyed bushings (factory). Plain wheels, still small flanges, bushings and no bushings, still white plastic shells. What oddities have you found? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10349	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Warren Frost

Once in awhile I get to pop in my AF Fun 'n Thrill video and watch it out of the corner of my eye while doing something else (e.g. clean up the kitchen after the kids are in bed). The whole tape is fun, but the last portion is most amazing. It features Warren Frost and his garage AF layout in California. To me his trains and layout are nearly the ideal AF experience. Is Warren still active in the hobby? Has anyone seen his layout? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10350	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: Warren Frost

Hi All, I flew to Phoenix to a TCA convention about 4 years ago...and while their I met my favorite buyer from California. He sold me a Checkerboard Water Tower...in the process I told him how impressed I was with the Warren Frost American Flyer collection on the Fun and Thrills video, and I asked him if he had seen it. He told me he had been to Warrens home several times, but Warren has sadly started to sell much off it off...and is.....well....I hate to say it but.......is going back into........shhhh ....say this quietly.......h o. Now someone on this list.....PLEASE TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!!!! Wayne david_horn@... wrote: > > Once in awhile I get to pop in my AF Fun 'n Thrill video and watch it out of > the corner of my eye while doing something else (e.g. clean up the kitchen > after the kids are in bed). The whole tape is fun, but the last portion is > most amazing. It features Warren Frost and his garage AF layout in > California. To me his trains and layout are nearly the ideal AF experience. > Is Warren still active in the hobby? Has anyone seen his layout? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10351	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Re: Warren Frost

Wayne Broadhead wrote: (((( , but Warren has sadly started to sell much off it off...and is.....well....I hate to say it but.......is going back into........shhhh ....say this quietly.......h o. Now someone on this list.....PLEASE TELL ME IT AIN'T SO!!!!)))) Since Warren is almost in my neck of the woods, I have always wanted to contact him to see If I could drop by to see his layout when I was up his way. I may be to late!! I'll do my homework and see if I can contact him and see what's up. "Sherlock" Evans......:-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10352	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10353	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Steam Engine Drive Wheel Quartering

I have a couple old Gilbert HO steam engines. One is the Pennsylvania 433 (an 0-6-0 switcher) and the other is the NYC 443 (a 4-6-4 "Hudson"). I just repaired both of them to the point that they operate, but it seems there is a slight bind somewhere and my hunch (at least on the 433) is that the quartering is slightly off. It runs, but kind of 'hops' down the track. Can anyone tell me if that is the sign of a out-of-quarter drivewheels? And, where would be the best place to get a quarterer suitable for these types of engines? I don't have a wheel press or puller, either and would like to find some that would work well on these types of engines.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10354	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/17/2000
Subject: Steam enging drive wheel question

I don't know if a Flyer HO quartering tool is available. These trains have some pretty rabid fans, and one may have made some. But you can probably fix the problem without one,if you can figure out which wheel is out of alignment. Usually, it's just one. One problem with worm drive locos is that they produce some lateral (sideways) thrust, because the teeth in the helical gear must be slanted. If you turn the armature slowly with your finger with the rods off the wheels, you will see that the wheelset with the helical gear on its axle is pushed to one side. Usually, the drive wheel that is out of alignment is the one forced against the chassis when the armature is turned to produce forward locomotive motion. Occasionally, if the eccentric is attached to the middle wheel, that wheel may be forced out of quarter if the rod assembly attached to the eccentric is jammed. In S gauge, this is most often seen on the Royal Blue and Circus engines. I like to use a makeup mirror on the far side of the chassis, so I can see both sides of the chassis at once. That makes it much easier to quarter a driver by hand. Put the wheel loosely on the axle, align it correctly, and force it onto the axle a little way with finger pressure. Recheck the quartering, and then force the drive wheel all the way into place with a C clamp, or a vise. If the armature is left on during the quartering process, the geared axle will rotate slightly if the wheelset moves from side to side in the chassis. It's better to remove the armature, usually. This applies to both S and HO flyer steam locomotives, if they have worm drives, which I believe yours do. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10355	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Steam Locomotive Drivers

The following is from S Scale Loco. & Supply: With the questions regarding drivers, I think it's time to inform the S-lists of our plans and ongoing projects. I have hesitated to do so as it is extremely hard to give a definite availability date. The "new" S Scale Locomotive & Supply is well along toward producing a full line of steam loco drivers. We are presently finalizing the tooling for our new 63 inch drivers. The old tooling was beyond salvage and after hearing complaints about the old drivers from numerous sources I decided to start over. I also decided not to advertise any of the questionable drivers we inherited. We had our new RP-25, code 110 tires on display at the NASG table at the San Jose convention. The drivers will have 1/8 inch axles and be available with bearings. Once our production methods are proven and finalized for the 63 inch drivers we plan to start on the others. We are also producing a kit for the Strasburg RR #89 / CN / Grand Trunk E10a 2-6-0 Mogul. It's a good companion for American Models new wood sheathed GT caboose and was used in freight and passenger branchline service. It's short wheelbase and small size should make it ideal for small railroads. The design is a total departure from earlier SSL&S kits in that the frame is etched brass, sprung and completely detailed with a can motor and floating gearbox. The pilot model of the frame with drivers and siderods has been tested and went together with no binding. This should be a welcome change for anyone who built the old solid frame kits. We are hoping to have them ready for the Steamtown NASG convention. Price TBA. Following the mogul will be the Strasburg RR #31. It is a Baldwin piston valve 0-6-0 with Stevenson valve gear. Also planned is the NYC F12e tenwheeler. We are also working on a new USRA mike chassis and eventually a complete kit. This is to get all those old SSL&S mikes out of the closet and operating. These will also be sprung with a fully detailed chassis. We are adding new castings and drivers as we need them for specific engines and will continue to have them available. We have also acquired the remaining River Raisin stock of drivers. Our goal is to supply the parts to build almost ANY steam engine in S scale. 'S' incerely, Fred & Dolores Rouse www.sscaleloco.com S Scale Loco. & Supply PO Box 550 Richlandtown, Pa. 18955 [ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10356	From: mountstormrr@yahoo.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: AF 4-6-2 For Sale

Have from 1953 a Pacific 4-6-2 with the logo for Chicago NorthWestern Line on tender. Engine # 282. Very light rust on some metal parts and one minor ding on left side of engine. Would rate condition as very good ++. Any questions or offers to my e-mail. Thanks!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10357	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: MTH figures......

Well, my MTH figures finally arrived, and they do seem more "S" then "O". Most of them are sitting (8 out of 12---made for MTH coaches), but I do have quite a few empty park and station benches!! And the price of $20 isn't that bad either, considering what the price of pewter figures are. Happy "training" this weekend!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10358	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Blatant SHS commercial

If you have some SHS F-3's on order please read on... This week we sent letters to everyone that has F-3s on order, both direct sales and hobby shops sales. If you have one on order with us and do not get our letter in the next few days, please contact me. If you have your F-3s on order with a hobby shop, you may want to contact them. The letter updates the project as well as indicates options for sound (including a choice of DCC or no sound) as well other F-3 possibilities. The F-3s are in production now and we expect shipment shortly after Chinese New Year. Best regards. Don -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10359	From: donabrams	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Quartering

All, I pretty much do as Tom does to get a wheel "quartered" and started on the axle. From there I like to use a drill press vise. The moveable jaw rides in a slot and has minimal wobble side to side. Of course I still use the very center of the vise when possible. Also just press the wheel on slightly, rotate the wheel 90 degrees, press a little more, rotate . . . . etc. The wheel will end up remarkably "true", as good as new. On the driver with the protruding brass post you can't go 90 deg., but I still rotate the driver to different positions as I tighten the vise a little at a time. I have two drill press vises. One is about 2" high, which I have used for S and O gauges. When i acquired a few standard guage repairs (one Flyer and one Lionel) I purchased a 3" one to do the larger wheels. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10360	From: donabrams	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Diesel truck sliding shoe

What is the best way to reattach these things when they come off of the truck side frame? The tabs on the sideframe are still there, but the metal smashed (swaged?) over the top of the sheet metal tab has been broken off. I've been epoxying, but has someone come up with another method? Thanks, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10361	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Diesel truck sliding shoe

Hey Don: You can wire brush the tabs and their immediate areas on the box and the sideframe to bare clean new metal. Then locate the assembly in place with a small clamp, apply flux paste, and put a bolb ov solder over each tab. The solder will adhere to the shoe box easily, but not too well to the white metal of the sideframe. The idea is to form blobs of solder that hold the box in place by their shape conforming so tightly to the surrounding area. It usually works. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10362	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Re: Steam enging drive wheel question

Just a question... Would that wheel which jams against the body...always be on the starboard side? My hudson had a loose wheel and a worn axle on that side--I'm talking about the wheelset which has the drive gear--aka, the rear most set. I'm just following your comment with the conclusion that forward motion would consistently punish that side, thereby explaining my find and confirming this thought. (somehow, I think you'll disagree, but I can't figure why, so I ask?). I used JB weld on that wheel because the thought of true repair frightened this non-expert. So far, it is holding despite the fact that I most likely left some gease on the axle before applying the epoxy. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10363	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/18/2000
Subject: Steam engine drive wheels

In S gauge engines, the drive wheel that is most likely to be loose is the one on the left orfireman's side nearest the cab. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10364	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: DCC and Lionel / AF locomotives

I have an American Flyer EP5 made by Lionel which has a DC can motor. I am slowly converting my S scale and American Flyer locomotives to DCC and was wondering if it was possible to retain the electronic horn that came with the locomotive and somehow activate it with the DCC decoder accessory function, either directly or maybe with a relay or transistor. Anyone have any ideas on the subject? Thanks, Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10365	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Engine in sets vs. Just engines

OK, S-Helper has The engines set up for DC? Comes with a chip to convert to AC? The single sale engines come AC? with a chip in package to convert to DC? I'm a little confused on this. I sold a friend of mine a Great Northern Set. Ran on DC side of Transformer. I bought an SW-1 and it ran on AC out of box. Both items had small chips in the boxes. The directions say it's a DC shorting plug (for dc polarity-rerversing). Is the plug the same in both of these sets? I did not get to read his directions so I'm not sure what the deal is on these chips. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I sure don't want to give anyone the wrong info when I'm out promoting S-gauge and S-Helper Equipment. Thanks, Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10366	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Gilbert HO

Further to my question about Gilbert HO, I see an HO car listed on ebay which is described as a New Haven car by AF and appears to be 78 feet over end sills. The type, however, is not given, so I'm still no wiser as to whether Gilbert modelled New Haven cars other than the coach and baggage represented by the S-scale cars #s 650 and 65. Help! Joe Pereira email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10367	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Gilbert made a new haven box car (HO-518). -----Original Message----- From: sigma@... [mailto:sigma@...] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 2:38 PM To: zz S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO Further to my question about Gilbert HO, I see an HO car listed on ebay which is described as a New Haven car by AF and appears to be 78 feet over end sills. The type, however, is not given, so I'm still no wiser as to whether Gilbert modelled New Haven cars other than the coach and baggage represented by the S-scale cars #s 650 and 65. Help! Joe Pereira email: sigma@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10368	From: Paul Christel	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

Excuse me, it was #512. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Christel [mailto:paulchristel@...] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 3:55 PM To: sigma@...; zz S Trains Subject: RE: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO Gilbert made a new haven box car (HO-518). -----Original Message----- From: sigma@... [mailto:sigma@...] Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 2:38 PM To: zz S Trains Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO Further to my question about Gilbert HO, I see an HO car listed on ebay which is described as a New Haven car by AF and appears to be 78 feet over end sills. The type, however, is not given, so I'm still no wiser as to whether Gilbert modelled New Haven cars other than the coach and baggage represented by the S-scale cars #s 650 and 65. Help! Joe Pereira email: sigma@... S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10369	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 19, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10370	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: I'm back

Hi Guys; I'm back from a months absence. I had back surgery Oct 19th. It worked out well. Hope I didn't miss much the past month. I can now get back to making my model of the Frankenstien trestle. :o) I am going to send a message (copy) of another person looking for help in locating passenger cars. Meanwhile Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way. Roger Hinds HTTP://WWW.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10371	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: [Fwd: Question from Oregon]

I am forwarding this message to the group, hoping one of you can help this person out. Roger Hinds http://www.travel.to/cofa Russ Dondero wrote: > > I'm trying to locate the S gauge passenger cars made by Lionel under > the Amer. Flyer label in the '80s. > > Specifically, I'm in the market for the Northern Pacific passenger > cars - combo, dome, diner and observation cars. > > If you have any or come across them, please e-mail me. > > Thanks, > > Russ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10372	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: opps

I forgot to add the e-mail address of the fellow looking for the coaches. As follows : dondero1@... I invited him to join the group. Hope he does. Roger visit my AF RR at http://www.travel.to/cofa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10373	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Gilbert HO

I have a NH and the # is 33512 > -----Original Message----- > From: sigma@... [mailto:sigma@...] > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 20:38 > To: zz S Trains > Subject: [S-Trains] Gilbert HO > > > > Further to my question about Gilbert HO, I see an HO car listed on ebay > which is described as a New Haven car by AF and appears to be 78 feet over > end sills. The type, however, is not given, so I'm still no wiser as > to whether Gilbert modelled New Haven cars other than the coach and > baggage represented by the S-scale cars #s 650 and 65. Help! > Joe Pereira > > email: sigma@... > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10374	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: Engine in sets vs. Just engines

Dear Chris, You are close, but not 100% correct. Both starter set and single SHS engines will run on AC or DC out of the box unless we specifically convert them for a customer to DC only. The chip in the box is for DC only operation. This would allow our engine to operate using our DC power pack and change direction via polarity change instead of the F-N-R sequencing like the ACG AF engines. The reason we do this is to prevent someone from operating our DC only engine on AC and damaging the motor. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to ask. Don T. cbtrainnut@... wrote: > OK, S-Helper has The engines set up for DC? Comes with a chip to convert to > AC? The single sale engines come AC? with a chip in package to convert to DC? > I'm a little confused on this. I sold a friend of mine a Great Northern Set. > Ran on DC side of Transformer. I bought an SW-1 and it ran on AC out of box. > Both items had small chips in the boxes. The directions say it's a DC > shorting plug (for dc polarity-rerversing). Is the plug the same in both of > these sets? I did not get to read his directions so I'm not sure what the > deal is on these chips. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I sure don't > want to give anyone the wrong info when I'm out promoting S-gauge and > S-Helper Equipment. Thanks, Chris Burger > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10375	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......

Dear Rick, Did you get set #1? I received mine from list member Doug Peck a few months ago. They we also less than $20.00. Don T. P.S. I wonder if Mike plans on making set #2? Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > Well, my MTH figures finally arrived, and they do seem more "S" > then "O". Most of them are sitting (8 out of 12---made for MTH > coaches), but I do have quite a few empty park and station benches!! > And the price of $20 isn't that bad either, considering what the > price of pewter figures are. > > Happy "training" this weekend!! > > Rick. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10376	From: plotnick	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Alco better now

I think I've located the problem with the Alco with the hot brushes; the field need to be realigned. Some trial and error really seemed to improve things. While I'm on the subject, any alternative to trial and error on field placement on both diesels and handcars? -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10377	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......

. Don T. wrote ((((I wonder if Mike plans on making set #2?))) I just received the # 2 set. I didn't realize there were more then one set. I'll have to check out the first set. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10378	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/19/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures......

Dear Rick, Set #1 has 8 seated figured. Many of the figures are either children or S Scale midgets. Eight male and four female (unless they are S scale cross dressers). Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > . > Don T. wrote ((((I wonder if Mike plans on making set #2?))) > > I just received the # 2 set. I didn't realize there were more then > one set. I'll have to check out the first set. > > Rick. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10379	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: All Aboard panels

Could anyone in the group tell me what the wire is for under the track sections of the All Aboard panels? Thanks! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10380	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 819

- Greeting`S' - The commentary on loose driver tires has been enlightening. Thanks. My most recent experience with same involved putting the tire in place with ACC or superglue. This was on the right (engineer's) side and on the last axle and on a 322. It appears that the small locos with the long draw bar which carries the trailing truck ("truck" used loosely) suffer less with loose tires than the long locos with the stubby draw bar that reaches only to the back of the cab. The effective long lever arm from the back of the cab to the rear driving axle puts a lot of side force on the tire flange when running thru a curve. This would be the tire flange on the inside of the curve. In lieu of 48" minimum radius curves for the long locos, I am studying the practicality of extending the draw bar to the same screw that secures the trailing truck on such as the 322. Has anyone tried this? Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10381	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Passenger car warp

Are any of the above less or more likely to be found with, or later develop, a warp (i.e. hump in the middle)? If so, why? 718 and 918 operating mail cars: * 718 with die-cast metal chassis (i.e. underside on which the body is mounted) * 718 with sheet metal chassis * 918 with sheet metal chassis 65X New Haven style passenger cars: * 65X with sheet metal chassis * 65X with plastic chassis * 65X with die cast metal chassis 65X/95X heavyweight passenger cars I have a 718 on a die-cast metal chassis. I don't recall it having a "hump" in the middle of the body when I bought it one year ago, but it now shows signs of one. My wish list for 2001 includes a red 651, 2 red 650's, and a 652/3/4 set of maroon heavyweights. Before I purchase any, I'd like to know more about which, if any, to avoid or seek out more than others. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10382	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp

((((I have a 718 on a die-cast metal chassis. I don't recall it having a "hump" in the middle of the body when I bought it one year ago, but it now shows signs of one.)))) Wasn't it due to the kind of plastic used in the early coaches that causes them to warp??? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10383	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: passenger car warp - - correction

Are any of the FOLLOWING less or more likely to be found with, or later develop,a warp (i.e. hump in the middle)? If so, why? 718 and 918 operating mail cars: * 718 with die-cast metal chassis * 718 with sheet metal chassis * 918 with sheet metal chassis 65X New Haven style passenger cars: * 65X with sheet metal chassis * 65X with plastic chassis * 65X with die cast metal chassis 65X/95X heavyweight passenger cars I have a 718 on a die-cast metal chassis. I don't recall it having a "hump" in the middle of the body when I bought it one year ago, but it now shows signs of one. My wish list for 2001 includes a red 651, 2 red 650's, and a 652/3/4 set of maroon heavyweights. Before I purchase any, I'd like to know more about which, if any, to avoid or seek out more than others. Thanks. PS I didn't catch the typo first time. Hey, what do you want for a Monday that starts off with somebody plowing into the back of my car.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10384	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp

If you die cast car is made of zamac it probably has cancer. The zamac used probably had some lead in it. There is nothing you can do to stop this. Some day it will be a pile of dust. larry Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > > ((((I have a 718 on a die-cast metal chassis. I don't recall it >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10385	From: Wayne Grinnell	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Gats and Track

Hi Guys, I have just gotten done with the Gats here in Puyallup Wa. There not being many Flyer clubs in my area,I was Glad to see 2 layouts in "S". I am continuing to add to the collection that was passed down to me from my Grandfather. There were 2 booths that were selling only Flyer and a Gentleman who I know was a Fan of Flyer and was selling off his collection.I picked up some good bargins. It seemed that most people were hovering around these tables quite a bit. I also got to see the S-Helper Track up close and was impressed by what I saw. Does anyone have an opion on it? I'm wondering if I should invest in buying some for a large layout I want to do. So if anyone has advice I would gladly welcome it. Wayne Grinnell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10386	From: Peck	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Re: MTH figures

MTH set #2 is already available. We have them in stock. $19.95.....again, a set of 12 painted diecast figures, both seated and standing. Perfect for S.....too small for O. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10387	From: Gary McCullah	Date: 11/20/2000
Subject: Flyer PAs

Folks, I saw something really interesting last Saturday. I went to a local modell railroad show and sale. There was a dealer there with an ALCO PA 360/361 set and a Silver Flash set. the 360/361 set was $350 and the the Silver Flash was $450. He also had the mail car and lineside mailcrane as well as a full set of link coupler passenger cars. The dealer is Chester McDonald 709 NE 3rd St. Blue Springs, Mo. 64014 816-228-6386 or 816-868-1718. He will be in St. Louis the next two weekends and then Kansas City the next weekend after that. Thought you might want to know. Gary

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10388	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Johnny Lightning's American Chrome cars...

Just picked up a 1953 Buick Super convertible and a 1955 Chrysler C-300. Nice looking cars! Great detail!! And for three bucks each!! Ya gotta love that!! I put the '55 Ford Crown Victoria on my Christmas list! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10389	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 821

- Greeting`S' - For you who have plastic body passenger cars without the dreaded hump in the middle of the roof and want to keep them that way, install burned-out lamp bulbs for car illumination. Every humpbacked car I have seen has the hump directly over the lamp bulb. If you insist on a lighted car, use a bulb which draws little current and which dissipates little heat. Only my two cents worth. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10390	From: Jim Armstrong	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: 21161 question

Is this loco supposed to have a reversing mechanism? JimA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10391	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: train video camera

OK...now i'm going to test your memory. Remember back in the 80's when Richard Kuhn was making some great AF trains for Lionel. Well...I seem to remember a cool thing he marketed where you could get a small video camera in your engine...i think it came already installed IN AN ENGINE. Does anyone else remember this AD?? It could have only been for their O guage trains....but i seem to remember it for S also. Tell me the details if you remember. Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10392	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

, Wayne Broadhead wrote: (((((OK...now i'm going to test your memory. Remember back in the 80's when Richard Kuhn was making some great AF trains for Lionel. Well...I seem to remember a cool thing he marketed where you could get a small video camera in your engine...i think it came already installed IN AN ENGINE. Does anyone else remember this AD?? It could have only been for their O guage trains....but i seem to remember it for S also.)))))) I just came across an ad the other day while going through the Feb. 1990 issue of CTT. "LIONEL HAS A VISION OF WHAT LIES AHEAD." "RailScope" Yadda-yadda-yadda,...."RailScope is available in "HO", "O", Large Scale, and now American Flyer "S" gauge." Looks like it came with it's own little TV screen,...and states,"RailScope is a locomotive with a tiny video camera mounted inside." Rick. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10393	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

WAY TO GO RICK!!! Man, what a great memory you have!!! I was telling all the guys in our latest American Flyer meeting all about this neat engine with a Video camera inside (so you could "see" what everything looks like from the engineers seat). None of them remembered it at all....and we got some pretty old buggers <grin> in our club!! So thanks Rick for verifying that I still have one of my two remaining brain cells intact and functioning with extreem precision! Now tonight, I will go through all my old Lionel catalogs and find the AD. BTW....does anyone out there have one of these little treasures in S guage. If so, contact me off the list...cause I want to buy it!!! Thanks, Wayne Broadhead American Flyer rules!!!!!! Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans wrote: > > , Wayne Broadhead wrote: > (((((OK...now i'm going to test your memory. Remember back in the > 80's when Richard Kuhn was making some great AF trains for Lionel. > Well...I seem to remember a cool thing he marketed where you could > get a small video camera in your engine...i think it came already > installed IN AN ENGINE. Does anyone else remember this AD?? > It could have only been for their O guage trains....but i seem to > remember it for S also.)))))) > > I just came across an ad the other day while going through the Feb. > 1990 issue of CTT. > > "LIONEL HAS A VISION OF WHAT LIES AHEAD." "RailScope" > Yadda-yadda-yadda,...."RailScope is available in "HO", "O", Large > Scale, and now American Flyer "S" gauge." > > Looks like it came with it's own little TV screen,...and > states,"RailScope is a locomotive with a tiny video camera mounted > inside." > > Rick. :-) > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10394	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

railscope was B&W only, and didn't work very well. There are better solutions out there today. The Bristol club has installed one in a PA, and run it at shows all the time. Works great and people love it! At 12:42 PM 11/21/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Now tonight, I will go through all my old Lionel catalogs and find the AD. > >BTW....does anyone out there have one of these little treasures in S >guage. If so, contact me off the list...cause I want to buy it!!! > >Thanks, > >Wayne Broadhead >American Flyer rules!!!!!! >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10395	From: Peck	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FLY-onel

Info "for publication"....this is nothing "secret"........straight from the factory. It is my understanding that the January 2001 Lionel catalog will include 8 pieces of AF, "four of which are items that have never been made since Gilbert."...... i.e. more tooling has been located which is usable, and is being used to resurrect these four new items. Don't ask me what they are.....I don't know that yet. There is also "a real person" at Lionel now who has responsibility for the AF line. That hasn't been true for several years. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10396	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: knuckle coupler back to link.........

Last sunday at chat, I mentioned that I had just received a 660 Combination car and needed to change one knuckle coupler back to link. Tom J. asked if I had a tool for the project. TOOL?? Wow! They make a tool for that?? I just did it the old fashioned way, or is it called the hard way? After stealing a link coupler off a junker caboose, I headed for the sink and scrubbed the little parts with a tooth brush. The coupler still wasn't loose enough on the little pin and I could see that infamous white "stuff" inside the hole. I had already tried to clean it out with a Q-tip. So I tried the ol' hair dryer trick. And sure enough, after a little heat, then a Q-tip through the hole, the gunkus disappeared. The pin still seemed a little tight. (By that I mean the coupler did not pivot freely like it should on the pin.) So I used a fine emory board on the pin. Ah! Works nicely now! Now to get this coupler back on the coach. I used the little copper tube that came with the 520 knuckle coupler kit.(the very same one my dad used almost 40 years ago when he changed my 282 and a baggage car to knuckle) I use it in reverse. Does that make sense?? A little awkward lining things up, but after a few taps,...it was in! Of course I couldn't just smack it with a hammer for fear of breaking off a step,...sooo I used one my screw driver goodies that fit into my Mikita drill. The end opposite the phillips covered the head of the pin. And with the few taps it didn't ruin the phillips head! I'm not very handy with tools and I'm pretty new to all this, but this way worked for me. Is this technique pretty much the way to do it without the proper tool?? I have a few other link couplers that I need to take the hair dryer to in order to loosen them up. And I got the hair dryer tip from this list!! Sorry to bore all you old pros out there. Oh, and the coach pulled great behind my Silver Bullet, with just a slight adjustment bend to the coupler. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10397	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: River Raisin UP 8500hp Gas Turbine NOW DC Hi-Rail compatible

Hey Guys, Just a quick post to let any interested Hi-Railers know that the River Raisin proposed brass Union Pacific 8500hp Gas Turbine will now be made available for DC Hi-Rail operation. This promises to be one of the finest brass models of this very unique Union Pacific engine that has ever been built for any gauge. It will be delivered painted and lighted or in unfinished natural brass and can now be operated by both S Gaugers and S Scalers. If you would like more information on this fantastic model please contact me offline. Deposit are being taken until 12-31-2000 and delivery is scheduled for Spring 2001. Don't miss out on this unique opportunity to own a real head turner. Nothing like this has been produced in S before. Butch H

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10398	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

Wayne, Rail-Scope, as far as I know, never made it into an S loco, other than prototypes. Yes they advertised them, but (haven't we been here before?) they didn't get into production. HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10399	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: 21161 question

Not usually, and I don't think it even had the reverse switch on the back of the cab, though it may, or may not! This loco was used for the rather rare "Prestone Express" set! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10400	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

Dear David, Wayne, et al, I was doing a patent search and ran across a couple of guys from New Jersey that had a patent on the concept of rail scope. I had wondered if this is why Lionel backed out or if the concept was really not that marketable. If you remember, on the "L" AF version, the PAs had "Lionel Lines' printed on the side. I thought that too might have been the kiss of death for many true AF enthusiasts sales. Don T. David Dewey wrote: > Wayne, > Rail-Scope, as far as I know, never made it into an S loco, other than > prototypes. Yes they advertised them, but (haven't we been here before?) > they didn't get into production. > HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that > will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a > relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember > who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather > grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10401	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Flying Yankee

Anyone have an update on the restoration of the Flying Yankee? Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10402	From: Michael Greene	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

The Bristol Club has a loco with a color camera in it that we have been running at the last several shows. It works pretty well. The Railscope was B&W transmission of the video signal through the rail as I recall, while the newer cameras suitable for this purpose (like the one we're running the Bristol Lines loco) are color wireless transmission of the video signal to a nearby receiver. In fact at the recent NMRA Hub Division show where we had the layout and the loco running, they happened to have a big TV mounted on the wall near our layout, so we got permission and hooked up to that for display -- made it much more enjoyable for all I think. I don't remember the vendor of the system we are using, but will see if I can find out. There are several of them on the market. Michael At 01:58 PM 11/21/2000 -0800, David Dewey wrote: >Wayne, > Rail-Scope, as far as I know, never made it into an S loco, other than >prototypes. Yes they advertised them, but (haven't we been here before?) >they didn't get into production. > HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that >will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a >relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember >who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather >grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. >S' >David D. > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10403	From: Alex Binkley	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: steel loads

If you are into steel traffic on your pike, you will want to check out the steel loads available through Moffett Models at www.moffettmodels.com They look neat. I have no personal interest in this company but I like his kits. chers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10404	From: Peck	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM

Off-topic a bit....sorry. Many months ago, I recall a thread thorugh here about outfits that are spamming our FAX machines with unwanted advertising, using up our FAX supplies with their unsolicited ads. I also recall that someone noted this was illegal, and cited a place to report it. Anyone recall the details???? I don't, and I wnat to report a repeated violator!!! Couldn't find anything in the S-mail archives. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10405	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: STOP MAIL :VACATION

Please stop mail . Vacation till Dec. 3, 2000 Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10406	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM

If you lived in the state of Washington you could collect 600 dollars every time it was done. I do not know about the others. Larry Peck wrote: > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10407	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 11/21/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

On 11/21/00 3:58 PM, David Dewey, djdewey@..., said: > HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that >will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a >relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember >who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather >grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/traincam.htm They show the camera mounted on an HO engine and say they have kits for N, O and G. Bet it would fit in S also. ;-) It doesn't say if it's color or not. The MSRP is listed as $399 on a linked page. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10408	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: [Re: [S-Trains] Re: train video camera]

I just ordered a miniture color camera from http://www.x10.com/homepage.htm It was $86. I will keep you posted. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10409	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: New photos on Bristol website

I've updated the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders web site with some new stuff: http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html New pages are: Pictures of the October meeting at Doug Peck's house. Doug has a super AF layout with new production added, plus an unbelievable S collection. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Doug/Doug.html Pictures and two reports of the Bristol Layout at the NMRA HUB Division show in Marlborough, MA. This is a new show for us, and we liked it. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Shows/Hub/Hub.html A short video taken from the video camera mounted in a locomotive, of Don Hasenzahl's layout. This is about 3mB, so don't click on it unless you have a fast connection. Video over the web is tough, I'm still experimenting with this. http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Don/Donvideo.html Hope you get a chance to check this out, and that you like it! Regards, Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10410	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

As I recall, the original Flyer/Railscope was to be offered in a set of PA's painted in a rather uninspired gray with a blue roof, lettered "American Flyer" in large white script lettering. The Railscope PA's were later cataloged as Nickel Plate Road, with a proper NKP paint job. Neither version was manufactured. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10411	From: Rich Gajnak	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Flyonel

Ain't competiton wonderful? With Classic Toy Trains acknowledging that American Models and S-Helper Service are the major S manufactures, and MTH beginning to reproduce desired Flyer accesories, Lionel may be beginning to take notice. Even though I've stopped collecting Flyer in favor of the HiRail endeavors of AM and SHS, it will be interesting to see what Lionel produces from "original Flyer tooling." It will also be nice to see if there's an improvement in Flyer's mechanical quality. I've obseverved an improvement in the Lionel O line since Dick Maddox took over the helm. Quite frankly, I was supprised to see improvements relatively quickly. Perhaps some of these improvments will finally trickle down to the Flyer line. We will have to wait and see these latest Flyer offerings. Be seeing you... Rich G.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10412	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 821

The YELLOW wire running under the track on the All Aboard Panels is the 16 volt power for accessories, when you clip the panels together with the spring clip ( track lock ) it completes the circuit. On two post transformers Gilbert suggest the you connect the white and yellow wires to the 7-16 variable post. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10413	From: Ben Kronenwetter	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: New photos on Bristol website

Bill, enjoyed the pictures and especially the video...Good job...Ben Bill Clark wrote: > I've updated the Bristol S Gauge Railroaders web site with some new stuff: > > http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/index.html > > New pages are: > > Pictures of the October meeting at Doug Peck's house. Doug has a super AF > layout with new production added, plus an unbelievable S collection. > > http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Doug/Doug.html > > Pictures and two reports of the Bristol Layout at the NMRA HUB Division show > in Marlborough, MA. This is a new show for us, and we liked it. > > http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/Shows/Hub/Hub.html > > A short video taken from the video camera mounted in a locomotive, of Don > Hasenzahl's layout. This is about 3mB, so don't click on it unless you have > a fast connection. Video over the web is tough, I'm still experimenting with > this. > > http://www.trainweb.org/bristol-s-gauge/MembersLayouts/Don/Donvideo.html > > Hope you get a chance to check this out, and that you like it! > > Regards, > Bill > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10414	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: vid vid videos

More videos like the one just posted please. That was great. Can't wait for longer ones with on coming trains, sound systems going, etc. etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10415	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: knuckle coupler back to link.........

--- Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans <comic@...> wrote: > I used the little copper tube that came with the 520 knuckle coupler kit.(the very same one my dad used almost 40 years ago when he changed my 282 and a baggage car to knuckle) I use it in reverse. Does that make sense?? While this might work to get the hole over the peened shoulder of a "used" pin, it won't work with a new pin that hasn't been peened. You really need the link pin installer which is a strong tube that is just big enough to slide over the pin and has a couple notches for the shoulder to expand out of when the other end is whacked with a hammer. >A little awkward lining things up This is my main problem. I do it on a concrete floor, holding the car so the head of the pin is balanced on a short fat bolt that's stood up on the floor. Passenger cars need to be held at an angle to get the stairs out of the way. Then the tool goes over the point of the pin and while holding it so the hole in the truck tongue is seated squarely on the pin's shoulder, I hit the end of the tool with a heavy sledge hammer. The heavy sledge allows me to go slow enough to be sure to hit the tool, (and not the car,) with enough momentum to peen the shoulder with one or two shots. This all requires about 5 hands to hold the car, the tongue, the bolt, the sledge, and the tool. It seems like there's got to be a better way. Anybody got a tip to make it easier? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10416	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: FAX SPAM

There is a web site at http://www.junkfaxes.org which discusses this subject. Their "taking action" section talks about the various things you can do, such as report them to the FCC (for possible inclusion in monetary judgements,) report them to your or their state's attorney general, and/or sue them for $500 per fax in accordance with the federal law. --- Peck <portlines@...> wrote: > Off-topic a bit....sorry. > Many months ago, I recall a thread thorugh here about outfits that > are > spamming our FAX machines with unwanted advertising, using up our FAX > supplies with their unsolicited ads. > I also recall that someone noted this was illegal, and cited a place > to > report it. > Anyone recall the details???? > I don't, and I wnat to report a repeated violator!!! > Couldn't find anything in the S-mail archives. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10417	From: Bill Clark	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: vid vid videos

So David, I actually have a longer one, with sound, but was afraid of the download time. This one is only 30 secs and is 3mb. (The original, full screen, is 350MB!). How long should I make it? Bill At 02:32 PM 11/22/00 -0500, david_horn@... wrote: >More videos like the one just posted please. That was great. Can't wait >for longer ones with on coming trains, sound systems going, etc. etc. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10418	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: RailScope

RailScope was planned for Flyer but was never made. As was pointed out, the "American Flyer Lines" version was a prototype, the Nickle Plate version was to be the production run. It never happened. There must be a couple of prototypes out there somewhere!! ChooChooCam appears twice a year at the Gold Hall at York. I have been after this guy for two years about "S" gauge and he has made inroads. I brought it to the group a couple of times but apparently you guys weren't ready. Maybe now is better for timing. Go to http://www.choochoocam.com and read all about it. Remember, you'll need a train layout. Put the trains around the Christmas tree and you'll be looking at close-ups of feet. I saw the B&W RailScope in operation on Phil Klopp's Lionel layout. It was very cool to overtake other trains and fly into stations. His was the best operating system I had ever seen and it still had noise and staticand needed a continuous loop. The signal disappeared through switches. ChooChooCam and others who transmit through air will be cleaner (and in color, too!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On another subject, the River Raisin proposed brass Union Pacific 8500hp Gas Turbine will cost $2400. Ouch! I want one, just not that badly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Hinds asked: "Anyone have an update on the restoration of the Flying Yankee?" As a matter of fact, the group doing the project was represented this September at the New Haven train show run by the Vanacores. I bought a T-shirt from the guy. Maybe John or Robin can answer this question, since they would have the registration material. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. I have to go now and set up my trains around the turkey. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10419	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Another Herald Nugget

Found another treasure in a 1963 yearbook addition. A centerfold like no other. I made two versions, one for the screen, and one for you to print. The second has all the details and descriptions. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/herald/steam_diagram.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10420	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Fw: [S-Trains] knuckle coupler back to link.........

Here is Smitty's (THOMAS C. FISHER ) method............ He sent this to me. > Oh my.............what a rough way to go with replacing the link ! If you > have ANY more links to replace, do yourself a favor and buy a pin setting > tool. Some have three nibs, some have four ------ it depends on the year > production, and "no" I don't personally know what the breakdown is > there ---- to peen the shoulder of the pin over onto the tab that holds it. > I bought my tool from RF Giardina ( they're on-line ) and used it to > replace the pins and links on better than a dozen cars. Once I got my > backing anvil set, I could whack the pins in place literally as fast as I > could set them together. So what's this about an anvil ? Once the new pin > and link is in place, you need something sturdy to set the back side of the > pin against while you set the tool and whack it. My favorite anvil for this > is: A drift punch with a head about 3/8" in dia. And this is how it's used. > I lay down a clean towel on the work bench to protect the side of the car. > I position the car on it's side so that the coupler I'm working on overhangs > the front edge of my bench. I assemble the pin and link into the tab as they > should be, and then I take the drift punch and place it on the vertical face > of the bench with the working end of the drift pointing up, and higher than > the top of the bench just so that when the the back of the pin lays on the > drift, the truck is square with ( or, in the normal position, relative to > the car ) the car. I then use a C-clamp, clamp the drift punch tight to the > bench front and I'm in business. Place the tool over the pin, a couple of > firm taps and you're done. The pin setting tool, by the way, is like a > drift punch with the working end drilled out to accept the shank of the pin. > The three or four nibs deform the ege of the shooulder of the pin and peen > them over onto the tab. What'll they think of next. "Smitty" This could be helpful if you don't have five hands!!! Rick. :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10421	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: AF 15B question

I acquired a 15B transformer in order to run my long stored childhood trains. I had to resort to E-bay to find one, unfortunately it is not in "A worthy speciman for INVESTOR OR COLLECTOR " condition as advertised! Anyway, I ran it up on a DVM and I get 17.0 VAC Max and 5.25 VAC at min. With the handle up I get 3.1 VAC. The Green light is always on but the lamp on the right side (no cover) never comes on. What is this one for? Is it when I have the control at minimum or the handle up? What should the voltages be at these 2 settings? Gary Mitchelson N3JPU 6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work) gmitchelson@... (Work)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10422	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: train video camera

I don't know the details but I have been shown at least 3 different RDC's which have contained video equipment. With the under the floor drive and the large body, there is plenty of room to install both camera equipment and probably DCC since the motor current draw is very low. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Westphal" <westphal@...> Cc: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: train video camera > On 11/21/00 3:58 PM, David Dewey, djdewey@..., said: > > > HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that > >will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a > >relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember > >who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather > >grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. > > > http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/traincam.htm > > They show the camera mounted on an HO engine and say they have kits for > N, O and G. Bet it would fit in S also. ;-) It doesn't say if it's color > or not. The MSRP is listed as $399 on a linked page. > > Michael > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10423	From: Robert Wight	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Sam the Semaphore Man

When the loco stops, and Sam the semaphore Man comes out, then he goes back into his shack with the pot belly stove. Then the loco countinues his journey. Does anyone know exactly what does Sam say to the engineer? Ever give it any thought that it must get very lonely in that shack at times? Happy Holiday and Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10424	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Sam the Semaphore Man

Bob, BZZZZZZ! HMMMMM! BZZZZZPT! Unfortunately, due to all the years alone in his shack, Sam has developed a very limited vocabulary! S' David D PS Happy T-Day everyone!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10425	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 822

Wayne: LIONEL RAILSCOPE: Manufactured in G, O, ( a GP-9, 1988-90, price, $225.00 ) & HO. They transmitted thru the rails and did not work that well and the units used a lot of batteries, the S gage unit was to have a power pickup to use track power, this unit proved to be too expensive and was dropped. I have seen after market units sold at York, color camera with sound priced around $700 that transmit thru the air, not the rails as LIONEL's Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10426	From: nyc17819@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: S-Helper Track

Wayne Grinnell asked about S-Helper Track. I love it. It sure makes AF equipment look much better than it ever does on AF track even with roadbed. The 19" radius SHS track and the turnouts can fit in the same places as AF track so you can remove the AF track and replace it with SHS and have the track in the same place. SHS does not have track trips and uncouplers and action car track sections so you may wish to keep some AF track for these specialty items if you have them. SHS makes compromise joints to change from AF to SHS track, so you can mix them together. SHS also has wider radius curves available, so you can make parallel curves or use a wider radius piece as a "spiral" at the ends of your curves. Why not buy a package of 12 curves and 4 straights from SHS and try them out? I think you'll like it. Chris Harding

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10427	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Gobble Gobble

Happy Turkey Day!!!!! From Rick. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10428	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: Gobble Gobble (humor?)

Amnesty for Turkeys!!! Join NOW!! Your vote is needed!! Uh oh, vote. . . .um well, we think you voted FOR Turkeys, even though your ballot seemed to indicate Swiss Chard. In this case we will record your vote as for Turkey. Thanks for your participation! Happy T-Day! David "Pass the Cranberry Sauce, Please!" Dewey PS: Required S content: Gravy is not a suitable sustitute for gear oil, and when left on track, makes a major mess of things.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10429	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/22/2000
Subject: American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts video

Good news for those waiting for a copy of my new video project. There will be five layouts featured and it will run close to two hours. It goes to editing and titling on Monday and should be ready to ship by December 1. There have been 36 orders so far and I have decided to make 50 copies on speculation. The only unknown expense as of now is the packaging and shipping but I THINK that $12.50 will cover it all. I will post again next week with the final price which will include shipping. This is going to be fun.... Regards to all. Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10430	From: mark.p.baker@bt.com	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR

Just a reminder that the Autumn 2000 King's Cross Railway Book Fair is to be held at Keen House, the headquarters of the Model Railway Club (http://www.themodelrailwayclub.org/index.html), at 4, Calshot Street, London, N1, on this coming Saturday 25th November 2000 between 11:00 and 15:30. Admission is just £1 and refreshments will be available all day from the Club's licensed bar. Further details are available from me direct and details of other similar events may be found on Tony Hillman's 'Railway Collectors Events Diary 2000/2001' web page at http://website.lineone.net/~tony.hillman/diary.html. Mark P. Baker.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10431	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Extra Turkey Night Chat

If you would care to join us, TONIGHT we will be having a Turkey night chat. It will start around 8pm EST, but you west coast guys may carry on after our bedtime. To join the chat go to http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains. Then click on Chat. If it is your first visit to Yahoo, they will want you to set up an account, it's free. Be patient, sometimes it takes several attempts to 'enter' the chat room. Tonight's Topic "Christmas Wishlist" and "Christmas Layouts" or just about any other topic that comes up. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10432	From: Peck	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 823

<<This all requires about 5 hands to hold the car, the tongue, the bolt, the sledge, and the tool. It seems like there's got to be a better way. Anybody got a tip to make it easier? > Yep....Try the Brakeman's Riveter! I use it myself all the time. If you do enough repairs, it is WELL worth the investment. Remove and install LCs, and set truck rivets like-factory............hollow eyelets too, if you add that tip to the tool. Inquire, for more info. In stock. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10433	From: starr007	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: regarding 15b question

Gary, the light on the right hand side of the transformer should have a red cover and shows when a short circuit occurs. Hope this helps, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10434	From: starr007	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Tonka motorized power sets

I recently purchased 2 Tonka motorized play sets at Toys R Us for 14.99 each. They contain about 60 pieces and have a track or street than can be made into a circle to go with your layout. They are 1.72 scale but look like they will work with S very well. There are 3 sets available and I plan to get the other one so as to have more street to work with. There are some good people doing various tasks that are just about S. size I believe. There are 6 people in each set along with signs, trees , a small building and various other pieces also. Check it out , I think they are a great buy at this price. Happy Turkey Day to all, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10435	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Wanted to trade some AF HO engine and cars for a S Diesel

I have several AF HO cars and a steam engine I would like to trade for a Diesel (AF or not) for my S size cars. I have: 31004, 2x 33217,33214, 33512, 33517. Pictures at http://n3jpu.tripod.com/af.htm I am not sure their worth but hopefully someone interested in a trade will give me a fair deal. I am not sure what diesel I want but will know if I see it, still not up to speed on the different models yet. Oh, and I am the original owner of these. Anyone interested? Gary Mitchelson N3JPU 6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work) gmitchelson@... (Work)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10436	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Pleasanton CA. GATS.....

I know there aren't very many Calif. people on the "S-Trains" list, but how 'bout the "S-Scale" list?? Anyone going to the Pleasanton Show?? I hope to go this weekend. I missed it last year, but the year before was a great show for us "Flyer" people. Anyway,...It's a beautiful day here, 68 degrees, wearing shorts and thongs (the feet kind!) and the turkey is on the BBQ!! Have a good one!! Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10437	From: joeawood@aol.com	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Mini Cameras

If you go to WWW.Spy-Store.com they have all types of cameras, On page three of the covert cameras section they have three cameras at least one of them should be able to be fitted to a locomotive. Also you might want to show these cameras to your wife so she knows what to watch out for in the clothing store dressing room. You can email Adrian Kittner At the Spy Store spystore@... for more info about the cameras. Joe Anderson

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10438	From: Harold (Bud) Lancaster	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: track

Does the s-scale track make provision for the operating cars such as the mail pick up or the car unloader? Also what transformer should I be looking at? I will have a circle that will be about triple that of a circle that comes with a set but might have only one or two switches and a couple of working accessories. Thank you.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10439	From: Wayne Daren	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 823

Sam reads a lot or listens to the radio. Computers are decades ahead so he doesnt even get email. -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@egroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@egroups.com] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 6:32 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 823 S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 17 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. vid vid videos From: david_horn@... 2. Re: knuckle coupler back to link......... From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> 3. Re: FAX SPAM From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> 4. Re: vid vid videos From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> 5. RailScope From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> 6. Another Herald Nugget From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> 7. Fw: knuckle coupler back to link......... From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> 8. AF 15B question From: "Gary Mitchelson" <n3jpu@...> 9. Re: Re: train video camera From: Thomas@... 10. Sam the Semaphore Man From: Robert Wight <bobgaylord@...> 11. Re: Sam the Semaphore Man From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> 12. Re: Digest Number 822 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> 13. S-Helper Track From: nyc17819@... 14. Gobble Gobble From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> 15. Gobble Gobble (humor?) From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> 16. American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts video From: boss31@... 17. KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR From: mark.p.baker@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:32:17 -0500 From: david_horn@... Subject: vid vid videos More videos like the one just posted please. That was great. Can't wait for longer ones with on coming trains, sound systems going, etc. etc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: knuckle coupler back to link......... --- Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans <comic@...> wrote: > I used the little copper tube that came with the 520 knuckle coupler kit.(the very same one my dad used almost 40 years ago when he changed my 282 and a baggage car to knuckle) I use it in reverse. Does that make sense?? While this might work to get the hole over the peened shoulder of a "used" pin, it won't work with a new pin that hasn't been peened. You really need the link pin installer which is a strong tube that is just big enough to slide over the pin and has a couple notches for the shoulder to expand out of when the other end is whacked with a hammer. >A little awkward lining things up This is my main problem. I do it on a concrete floor, holding the car so the head of the pin is balanced on a short fat bolt that's stood up on the floor. Passenger cars need to be held at an angle to get the stairs out of the way. Then the tool goes over the point of the pin and while holding it so the hole in the truck tongue is seated squarely on the pin's shoulder, I hit the end of the tool with a heavy sledge hammer. The heavy sledge allows me to go slow enough to be sure to hit the tool, (and not the car,) with enough momentum to peen the shoulder with one or two shots. This all requires about 5 hands to hold the car, the tongue, the bolt, the sledge, and the tool. It seems like there's got to be a better way. Anybody got a tip to make it easier? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 07:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> Subject: Re: FAX SPAM There is a web site at http://www.junkfaxes.org which discusses this subject. Their "taking action" section talks about the various things you can do, such as report them to the FCC (for possible inclusion in monetary judgements,) report them to your or their state's attorney general, and/or sue them for $500 per fax in accordance with the federal law. --- Peck <portlines@...> wrote: > Off-topic a bit....sorry. > Many months ago, I recall a thread thorugh here about outfits that > are > spamming our FAX machines with unwanted advertising, using up our FAX > supplies with their unsolicited ads. > I also recall that someone noted this was illegal, and cited a place > to > report it. > Anyone recall the details???? > I don't, and I wnat to report a repeated violator!!! > Couldn't find anything in the S-mail archives. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:28:25 -0500 From: Bill Clark <billclark@...> Subject: Re: vid vid videos So David, I actually have a longer one, with sound, but was afraid of the download time. This one is only 30 secs and is 3mb. (The original, full screen, is 350MB!). How long should I make it? Bill At 02:32 PM 11/22/00 -0500, david_horn@... wrote: >More videos like the one just posted please. That was great. Can't wait >for longer ones with on coming trains, sound systems going, etc. etc. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:03:14 -0500 From: "busy-boy" <busy-boy@...> Subject: RailScope RailScope was planned for Flyer but was never made. As was pointed out, the "American Flyer Lines" version was a prototype, the Nickle Plate version was to be the production run. It never happened. There must be a couple of prototypes out there somewhere!! ChooChooCam appears twice a year at the Gold Hall at York. I have been after this guy for two years about "S" gauge and he has made inroads. I brought it to the group a couple of times but apparently you guys weren't ready. Maybe now is better for timing. Go to http://www.choochoocam.com and read all about it. Remember, you'll need a train layout. Put the trains around the Christmas tree and you'll be looking at close-ups of feet. I saw the B&W RailScope in operation on Phil Klopp's Lionel layout. It was very cool to overtake other trains and fly into stations. His was the best operating system I had ever seen and it still had noise and staticand needed a continuous loop. The signal disappeared through switches. ChooChooCam and others who transmit through air will be cleaner (and in color, too!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On another subject, the River Raisin proposed brass Union Pacific 8500hp Gas Turbine will cost $2400. Ouch! I want one, just not that badly. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Hinds asked: "Anyone have an update on the restoration of the Flying Yankee?" As a matter of fact, the group doing the project was represented this September at the New Haven train show run by the Vanacores. I bought a T-shirt from the guy. Maybe John or Robin can answer this question, since they would have the registration material. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. I have to go now and set up my trains around the turkey. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:51:22 -0500 From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> Subject: Another Herald Nugget Found another treasure in a 1963 yearbook addition. A centerfold like no other. I made two versions, one for the screen, and one for you to print. The second has all the details and descriptions. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/herald/steam_diagram.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:34:11 -0800 From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> Subject: Fw: knuckle coupler back to link......... Here is Smitty's (THOMAS C. FISHER ) method............ He sent this to me. > Oh my.............what a rough way to go with replacing the link ! If you > have ANY more links to replace, do yourself a favor and buy a pin setting > tool. Some have three nibs, some have four ------ it depends on the year > production, and "no" I don't personally know what the breakdown is > there ---- to peen the shoulder of the pin over onto the tab that holds it. > I bought my tool from RF Giardina ( they're on-line ) and used it to > replace the pins and links on better than a dozen cars. Once I got my > backing anvil set, I could whack the pins in place literally as fast as I > could set them together. So what's this about an anvil ? Once the new pin > and link is in place, you need something sturdy to set the back side of the > pin against while you set the tool and whack it. My favorite anvil for this > is: A drift punch with a head about 3/8" in dia. And this is how it's used. > I lay down a clean towel on the work bench to protect the side of the car. > I position the car on it's side so that the coupler I'm working on overhangs > the front edge of my bench. I assemble the pin and link into the tab as they > should be, and then I take the drift punch and place it on the vertical face > of the bench with the working end of the drift pointing up, and higher than > the top of the bench just so that when the the back of the pin lays on the > drift, the truck is square with ( or, in the normal position, relative to > the car ) the car. I then use a C-clamp, clamp the drift punch tight to the > bench front and I'm in business. Place the tool over the pin, a couple of > firm taps and you're done. The pin setting tool, by the way, is like a > drift punch with the working end drilled out to accept the shank of the pin. > The three or four nibs deform the ege of the shooulder of the pin and peen > them over onto the tab. What'll they think of next. "Smitty" This could be helpful if you don't have five hands!!! Rick. :-) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:31:04 -0000 From: "Gary Mitchelson" <n3jpu@...> Subject: AF 15B question I acquired a 15B transformer in order to run my long stored childhood trains. I had to resort to E-bay to find one, unfortunately it is not in "A worthy speciman for INVESTOR OR COLLECTOR " condition as advertised! Anyway, I ran it up on a DVM and I get 17.0 VAC Max and 5.25 VAC at min. With the handle up I get 3.1 VAC. The Green light is always on but the lamp on the right side (no cover) never comes on. What is this one for? Is it when I have the control at minimum or the handle up? What should the voltages be at these 2 settings? Gary Mitchelson N3JPU 6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work) gmitchelson@... (Work) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 06:43:06 -0500 From: Thomas@... Subject: Re: Re: train video camera I don't know the details but I have been shown at least 3 different RDC's which have contained video equipment. With the under the floor drive and the large body, there is plenty of room to install both camera equipment and probably DCC since the motor current draw is very low. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Westphal" <westphal@...> Cc: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Re: train video camera > On 11/21/00 3:58 PM, David Dewey, djdewey@..., said: > > > HOWEVER!! I have read on the Toytrains list of a COLOR video camera that > >will fit into our trains, and supposedly not very expensive (well, THERE'S a > >relative statement, expensive to whom?). Unfortunately, I don't remember > >who, where, etc. The Lionel system was only black & white, and rather > >grainy, according to the "other gauge" crowd. > > > http://www.tonystrains.com/technews/traincam.htm > > They show the camera mounted on an HO engine and say they have kits for > N, O and G. Bet it would fit in S also. ;-) It doesn't say if it's color > or not. The MSRP is listed as $399 on a linked page. > > Michael > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Wight <bobgaylord@...> Subject: Sam the Semaphore Man When the loco stops, and Sam the semaphore Man comes out, then he goes back into his shack with the pot belly stove. Then the loco countinues his journey. Does anyone know exactly what does Sam say to the engineer? Ever give it any thought that it must get very lonely in that shack at times? Happy Holiday and Railroading Bob Wight --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:25:18 -0800 From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Subject: Re: Sam the Semaphore Man Bob, BZZZZZZ! HMMMMM! BZZZZZPT! Unfortunately, due to all the years alone in his shack, Sam has developed a very limited vocabulary! S' David D PS Happy T-Day everyone! ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:27:20 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 822 Wayne: LIONEL RAILSCOPE: Manufactured in G, O, ( a GP-9, 1988-90, price, $225.00 ) & HO. They transmitted thru the rails and did not work that well and the units used a lot of batteries, the S gage unit was to have a power pickup to use track power, this unit proved to be too expensive and was dropped. I have seen after market units sold at York, color camera with sound priced around $700 that transmit thru the air, not the rails as LIONEL's Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:02:47 EST From: nyc17819@... Subject: S-Helper Track Wayne Grinnell asked about S-Helper Track. I love it. It sure makes AF equipment look much better than it ever does on AF track even with roadbed. The 19" radius SHS track and the turnouts can fit in the same places as AF track so you can remove the AF track and replace it with SHS and have the track in the same place. SHS does not have track trips and uncouplers and action car track sections so you may wish to keep some AF track for these specialty items if you have them. SHS makes compromise joints to change from AF to SHS track, so you can mix them together. SHS also has wider radius curves available, so you can make parallel curves or use a wider radius piece as a "spiral" at the ends of your curves. Why not buy a package of 12 curves and 4 straights from SHS and try them out? I think you'll like it. Chris Harding ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:36:23 -0800 From: "Rick Evans" <comic@...> Subject: Gobble Gobble Happy Turkey Day!!!!! From Rick. :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:01:10 -0800 From: "David Dewey" <djdewey@...> Subject: Gobble Gobble (humor?) Amnesty for Turkeys!!! Join NOW!! Your vote is needed!! Uh oh, vote. . . .um well, we think you voted FOR Turkeys, even though your ballot seemed to indicate Swiss Chard. In this case we will record your vote as for Turkey. Thanks for your participation! Happy T-Day! David "Pass the Cranberry Sauce, Please!" Dewey PS: Required S content: Gravy is not a suitable sustitute for gear oil, and when left on track, makes a major mess of things. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:54:25 EST From: boss31@... Subject: American Flyer and other S Gauge layouts video Good news for those waiting for a copy of my new video project. There will be five layouts featured and it will run close to two hours. It goes to editing and titling on Monday and should be ready to ship by December 1. There have been 36 orders so far and I have decided to make 50 copies on speculation. The only unknown expense as of now is the packaging and shipping but I THINK that $12.50 will cover it all. I will post again next week with the final price which will include shipping. This is going to be fun.... Regards to all. Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:11:41 -0000 From: mark.p.baker@... Subject: KING'S CROSS RAILWAY BOOK FAIR Just a reminder that the Autumn 2000 King's Cross Railway Book Fair is to be held at Keen House, the headquarters of the Model Railway Club (http://www.themodelrailwayclub.org/index.html), at 4, Calshot Street, London, N1, on this coming Saturday 25th November 2000 between 11:00 and 15:30. Admission is just £1 and refreshments will be available all day from the Club's licensed bar. Further details are available from me direct and details of other similar events may be found on Tony Hillman's 'Railway Collectors Events Diary 2000/2001' web page at http://website.lineone.net/~tony.hillman/diary.html. Mark P. Baker. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10440	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 11/23/2000
Subject: Re: Passenger car warp

In my opinion, the hump on most plastic rolling stock results from the plastic knot in the center roof underside. This is the sprue remnant from the molding process. This thick blob of plastic is very rigid and does not deform as does the plastic on either side. Thus the hump. Note that unwarped roofs (like the heavyweights) do not have this center knot of plastic. I don't think that lighted or unlighted has much to do with the hump. Look at unlighted 633 boxcars which are notoriously humped and have the center plastic knot. Steve Gruninger --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "Rhett T. George" <rtg@e...> wrote: > - Greeting`S' - > > For you who have plastic body passenger cars without the dreaded hump > in the middle of the roof and want to keep them that way, install > burned-out lamp bulbs for car illumination. Every humpbacked car I > have seen has the hump directly over the lamp bulb. If you insist > on a lighted car, use a bulb which draws little current and which > dissipates little heat. Only my two cents worth. > > Cheer`S' > > Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10441	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: BLACK FRIDAY

This is the week our "Super" hardware store, Estate of George S. Snyder, sets up their multi-level train display. It was a black day when all I saw was "L" and Bachmann. "G" gauge, "O" gauge, "On30" and "HO". "L" has an 0-4-0 steamer with slope back tender, gondola and 4 wheel caboose set for $79.99 that will get the little kiddies into "O". But alas no "S". It's time for MTH to come to the aid of "S" for under $150.00. Well not to fear because my wife and I spent 10 days in St. Croix where "NO" trains exist, no hobby shops, zilch and they don't vote for president thus no recounts. I came back to 70 general emails and 143 S-Trains emails which I just finished viewing and reviewing. If you want to see what we did in St. Croix to keep from getting bored then visit: http://www.geocities.com/glenn_ritter/photo.html Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10442	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Lubricants?

Happy Leftovers Day! Good Morning! My question(s) today concern the recommended lubricants to use on our vintage American Flyer engines and equipment. We have a GATS coming to the area this weekend and I think that would be a good time to purchase the correct products. From what I have read, 3 In 1 oil is not recommended as it can affect the plastics over time. I have heard of the LaBelle brand of lubricants, but my local "S" shop has a brand with a big "H" on it. (Huber?, or something.) It is supposed to have Teflon in it. Something recently written, (On this list, or a magazine.) said the new lubricants work better, but dissipate sooner meaning more frequent lubrications. I've been using Vaseline on the worm gear. Good or bad? What is recommended here? Please be so kind as to reply directly as I will be on my way to GATS to meet the "S" club at 8:00 am for our club layout setup. wmhtreftsv@... Thanks! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10443	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Christmas layout in VT library

Just read the posting about the sadness generated over the lack of Flyer in a hardware store display. OK, come to Westfield, VT (ski Jay Peak for that matter)to see the holiday layout my fiancee and I are running at the Westfield library.The center of the 6x8 layout will be our overflow of ceramic buildings, New England cow town themed. 0 gauge will be the opening act for 2 weeks(all pre-war, Lionel, Flyer and Ives), followed by one week of Standard gauge, and concluding with Gilbert S - and hopefully the Guilford Station and cattle pen won't prove to be embarassments! -hope everyone had a good thanksgiving- keep the Flyer Flyin'- john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10444	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?

William H Trefts wrote: > My question(s) today concern the recommended lubricants to use on our > vintage American Flyer engines and equipment. I use white lithium grease on the gears. Vaseline eventually gets real thick and gums up the works. Very thin oil on the other moving parts. Sewing machine oil perhaps? Powdered graphite on the knuckle couplers. No ! not lockease!. Never use oil on the knuckle couplers. It eventually collects dust, gums up and the coupler will stop working altogether. I also use powdered graphite on the reverse mechanism. I know. I know, MESSY. application should be with a tiny screw driver or wooden tooth pick. Apply with care and there will be no mess. 3 in 1 oil is to thick for model railroading. This also gets thicker with age

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10445	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Old (pre-war) station looking for new home

I was just given an old pre-war flyer station that I have no use for. It is in need of lots of TLC. Please look at it in the photo section of the STrains Yahoo club. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains?ge&.alabel=alb7&.pindex=4&start=1 Please contact me off list if you think this is something you would like to own. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com http://www.gate.net/~yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10446	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: 670 compared with 697 Track Trips

Hello! Can anyone give me a comparison of the 697 and the newer 670 track trips? I am interested to know which operate best, and shortfalls of each. I like the idea that you don't need to have several loose sections of rail to assure the pressure trip 697 works correctly. Do you still need a lockout eliminater with the 670 for semaphore operation? The 697's that I have are very tempermental. regards Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10447	From: sgauger@aol.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Unsubscribe - vacation

Please temporarily unsubscribe me. Gone for a few days. Thanks! Art [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10448	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10449	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: KC S Gaugers at Union Station Holiday Show

Thought everyone might like to see some images of the Kansas City S Gaugers modules, set up at Kansas City's Union Station, today through Sunday as part of the Christmas in Kansas City theme. The recently restored station is beautiful and offers many restuarants, specialty shops and theaters. Although the KC S Gaugers is made up mostly of AF Hi-Railers, there is a lot of scale influence, operation and equipment on the layout. The guys were too busy promoting S Gauge to the crowds to get them together for a photograph. They did an excellent job and the crowds were large and fantastic. What a great showing of S Gauge. Check out these images: http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg1.jpg http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg2.jpg http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg3.jpg http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg4.jpg http://members.aol.com/buthcinkc/mvc-sg5.jpg http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg6.jpg Nice to see a train layout up and running during the Holiday Season! Butch H.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10450	From: Butch Holtgrieve	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: KC "S" Gaugers image correction

Sorry but one image didn't come through. Please try the link below. http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg5.jpg Butch H.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10451	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: KC "S" Gaugers image correction

Dear Butch, Boy, you can really see our reefers open hatches quite well. Thank you for the free advertisement. Don T. Butch Holtgrieve wrote: > Sorry but one image didn't come through. Please try the link below. > > http://members.aol.com/butchinkc/mvc-sg5.jpg > > Butch H. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10452	From: Dwight Lehnhoff	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: #709 lockout replacement

What is the size of resistor I should use that will function like the 709 lockout eliminator? Thanks Dwight Lehnhoff

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10453	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: whistling billboard

Anybody have any hints on troubleshooting a whistling billboard that wheezes more than it whistles? On this one, when you press the button, you get first a whirring/rattling noise for a half-second, then about a second of a rushing air/wheezing noise, then finally it starts whistling. Makes it kinda hard to do long-long-short-long at grade crossings. Can you get them to whistle right away or do they all sound like this? Thanks in advance for any help. Dan Brindell

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10454	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Help with a bad switch?

Happy day after Thanksgiving. I'm trying to get the layout together for the holidays and have a misbehaving switch. It's the last of my old style 720s (the narrow footprint and the lever that allows manual throw) but also my last lefthander. Problem: No current flows to the turnout section of the track when the switch is thrown. Works fine when straight. Can anyone give me a detailed (not very familiar with how they work) primer on troubleshooting this thing? Appreciate it. Robert

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10455	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: whistling billboard

Dan, Have you lubricated the motor? If there is a hole in the top and you look down inside you will see a bearing. A drop of oil will help. Which billboard is it?amflyral@... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Brindell" <dbrindell@...> To: <s-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 4:55 PM Subject: [S-Trains] whistling billboard > Anybody have any hints on troubleshooting a whistling billboard that wheezes > more than it whistles? On this one, > when you press the button, you get first a whirring/rattling noise for a > half-second, then about a second of a rushing air/wheezing > noise, then finally it starts whistling. Makes it kinda hard to do > long-long-short-long at grade crossings. Can you get them to whistle right > away > or do they all sound like this? Thanks in advance for any help. > > Dan Brindell > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10456	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: #709 lockout replacement

Use a 10 ohm 10 watt wirewound resistor. Radio Shack part number is 271-132, 2 for 99 cents. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10457	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: whistling billboard.

Motor sounds like it's not performing well;. resonating chamber may have dust or lint in it too. Motor is like a steam loco motor, though not as powerful. First try a drop of oil on each armature bearing. Don't get oil on commutator & brushes. If this doesn't solve problem, disassemble motor. Clean commutator, replace brushes if worn, replace brush springs if weak. Blow out the resonating chamber with compressed air or blow hard through a soda straw. Good luck. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10458	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: 670 compared with 697 track trips

697: pressure trip. Weight of passing train opens one contact, closes another. Adjustable so loco only or any car sets it off, since locos are heavier. Contacts may become bent ; try to straighten. Conatct points may become dirty; clean with #600 sandpaper. Main problem: can go out of adjustment and send power to solenoids when it isn't wanted or for too long, burning out solenoid if for example a train is stopped over the trip, or trip gets stuck. i use them a lot but they have to be watched all the time. When used with rubber roadbed, cardboard must be placed under disc to compensate for roadbed raising track approx. 1/16". 670: electromagnetic trip: power to an isolated rail section goes through a coil which pulls contact closed when a loco is receiving power in the isolated zone. Contact opens when track power is cut off. Some 670's are adjustable to a degree w an adjustment screw; some are not. Problems: 1. Not all that sensitive and accurate, often slow acting. Performance depends to some extent on amount of track power at any given time (i.e. how fast train is running). 2. causes power drop since the coil uses some of the track power. Locos will slow or stall in the isolated zone, especially 2 motor diesels. Generally not good for use in reverse loops where polarity is reversed by a track switch. Good in an area where you may want to stop a train, since contact will open then and not burn out an accessory. Lockout eliminator: has nothing to do per se with track trips. Used with train stopping accessories, esp the 761 semaphore. An isolated zone is created to stop a train; with the semaphore, in the base post rail. Lockout eliminator allows a trickle of electricity into this zone so the reverse unit does not cycle. Sam the Sem, talking station have them built in. New locos from LTI and AM will often creep in such a situation because they use much less power than classic Flyer. Hope this helps. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10459	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Silver paint for Flyer match.

Someone asked a while back for a match for the silver paint used by Gilbert on flyer cars. I found one a few days ago that does a very close match. I was playing around painting some junk bodies with different paints I had and this works the best I have seen yet. Same color, Same sheen. Testors brand spray enamel #1246 metallic silver. This is a model car/airplane type paint for plastics in small spray cans. eric kenmore, wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10460	From: al paolozzi	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: member locations

I have been on the internet with this group several months and don't know where the rest of the members are. I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! Is there a way of printing a membership roster of those that are on this e-mail group? Where is Pahrump? Good question, about 1-hour west of Las Vegas. I would appreciate hearing from any flyer guys that might be nearby. amflyral@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10461	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Al, It sounds like NOBODY is near you!! Could be worse, you could be in Ely! ;-) The members are from all over, including England, Australia, Norway, and probably some other countries I didn't mention--like Canada. I'm from Northern California, and there aren't too many AF or S people here within 80 miles (although there is, or was, one person here with a layout in his garage, but I've lost contact with him some 10 years ago.). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10462	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/25/2000
Subject: New Plasticville group at egroups.....

Just found this.....as of Oct. 26th 2000, Plasticville has a new group at egroups. Simply go to Plasticville@egroups.com . 25 members so far. Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10463	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: 370 SHELL

Hello, I am looking for a 370 geep shell in excellent condition. The one I have got damaged. Anyone know of one for sale? Does anyone make repros? Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10464	From: Bill Lane	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: GLc & GLca Hoppers in S Scale

Hi All, A project that I have been working on with Southwind Models for about 1 year has been brought to a successful completion. Southwind is an S Scale only importer. I have just seen the production samples of the PRR GLc and GLca hoppers. They are outstanding! The builder went out of his way to make the necessary corrections from the pilot model. They have full interior detail, have couplers installed, and a factory paint job that is second to none. The most noticeable difference between the models is the Brake stand vs. the Ajax brake wheel. There are only 50 pieces of each imported. For the uninitiated, I have included links to photos of the Prototype. Sorry, no model photos (yet) This car will go very nicely with the H31, H21, H22 H25, H31and H32 hoppers that have been imported previously. http://users.snip.net/~billlane/GLc.jpg http://users.snip.net/~billlane/GLca.jpg If you are interested, please contact: Jettie Padgett Southwind Models P.O. Box 3175 Plant City Fl. 33564-3175 Phone 813-752-1636 Fax 813-752-0656 Thank You Bill Lane

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10465	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Split Axles

Folks, We also use a design in all our power trucks to pick up power from all wheels. We use a metal contact againist the side of a stationary metal bearing and go from there. All our trolleys and the 44 ton chassis use an injection molded truck assembly with this design. The only moving part in this concept is the axle and the shaft which were already destined to turn. The RDC and Baldwin chassis use this system with our individual gearbox for each axle.The T Master will also. We intend to make this individual gearbox available as a separate item for powering (or just picking up power on) any wheelbase truck needed. Tom D. Tom Doherty Pennsylvania Heritage Models Ltd. http://www.paheritagemodels.com/paheritagemode [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10466	From: Scott Brown	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: FLY-onel

Finally catching up on my email. Doug wrote : Info "for publication"....this is nothing "secret"........straight from the factory. It is my understanding that the January 2001 Lionel catalog will include 8 pieces of AF, "four of which are items that have never been made since Gilbert."...... i.e. more tooling has been located which is usable, and is being used to resurrect these four new items. Don't ask me what they are.....I don't know that yet. There is also "a real person" at Lionel now who has responsibility for the AF line. That hasn't been true for several years. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies All I can say is that if they keep making that cheap plastic junk with the plastic truck side frames and riveted couplers, they will get the same response they got when they made the SF cabooses. No one bought them. My local dealer sent them back as we all took one look and put them back in the box. For the money, you can't beat quality like S Helper. Lionel needs to just stop trying to sell us junk. Either that or make it the way ACG did. Just my opinion. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10467	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: The Gauntlet has been thrown!

Folks, I just read this on the Toytrains list. It sure sounds like a challenge for the S gauge community! Where in this country do we have a large enough club, or group of clubs to challenge this??? Desert Division Sets World Record, Then Beats it twice. The Desert Division of the Train Collectors Association (TCA) assured their place in model railroading history today when they ran over one hundred Lionel trains simultaneously in celebration of the 100th Anniversary of Lionel LLC. Thirty-five tables manned by one hundred division members filled the Mesa's Centennial Hall with the clatter and roar of over one hundred electric train sets. An early practice run at 11:30 AM set the first record of the day, with 100 trains running for one minute. At 1 PM, with the hall full of train enthusiasts of all ages, the Desert Division broke their own record by running 105 Lionel trains for a full two minutes. This was a remarkable accomplishment, considering that trains participating in the record attempt ranged from a 1902 trolley to a year 2000 Army train set. Train sets manufactured over eighty years ago easily kept pace with modern equipment, as records were set repeatedly throughout the afternoon. Those same 105 trains set yet another record at 2 PM, running simultaneously for five minutes, prompting cheers and applause from an appreciative crowd of over one thousand. Yet another endurance run at 3PM broke all previous records, with 108 trains running at once for seven minutes and thirty-six seconds. The last run of the day at 4PM saw all previous records of the fall, as the Desert Division TCA members outdid themselves by running 111U Lionel trains for eight minutes and two seconds! These records set by one hundred toy enthusiasts, running over one hundred Lionel trains, representing most years of Lionel manufacture over this century should, once certified by Guinness, stand for the next one hundred years of record keeping. Thanks to the generosity of the Desert Division, hundreds of new toys were donated to The United States Marine Corps' Toys for Tots program. Photographs and more information are available at http://www.train99.com/100years.com Terry Gibbs Beating this record will settle (for a minute at least) the question of which is better!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10468	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: portable Layout Update

Here is part 5 in the Portable Layout Saga. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part5/part5.html Hope to see you guys tonight at the Sunday Chat. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com http://www.gate.net/~yorke

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10469	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Layout Design Directory

There have been several requests for folks to share their layout designs. I have added an album to the Yahoo S-Trains Club photo section. Please upload or link any sketches you may have. If you need help 'fixing up' a sketch or uploading it, just let me know. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10470	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10471	From: claimsboss@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Baton Rouge S-Gauge

I have a potential job opportunity in Baton Rouge. While I will surely miss the snow and -20 degrees of New Hampshire winters, we do need to get our priorities straight. Does anyone know if there are any decent sized shows with "S" showing? I know asking for a Springfield is asking for too much, however is there anything such as the Northboro show or Topsfield? How about clubs and dealers? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Claimsboss [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10472	From: Michael Westphal	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Baton Rouge S-Gauge

On 11/26/00 6:29 PM, claimsboss@..., claimsboss@..., said: >I have a potential job opportunity in Baton Rouge. While I will surely miss >the snow and -20 degrees of New Hampshire winters, we do need to get our >priorities straight. Does anyone know if there are any decent sized shows >with "S" showing? I know asking for a Springfield is asking for too much, >however is there anything such as the Northboro show or Topsfield? How >about >clubs and dealers? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks > >Claimsboss I feel uniquely qualified to answer this question, as a resident of Baton Rouge for 30 years. BR is a good place to live. I wouldn't count the stifling heat in the summer as a plus, but it hasn't snowed appreciably in over 12 years (last snow that stuck on the ground was about 4', s-scale). OK, so besides the hobby shops that carry HO, there is one real train store in town and they do not carry S. http://www.americastrainyard.com/ I've talked to the owner, and shown him products from S-Helper, but he's not interested. The store is associated with a group of Train clubs. They have an AF layout, but no official S branch to the clubs. http://www.dovetailstudio.com/trains/ There is an S-club in New Orleans, and I'm told stores in N.O. do carry S. Jay Mellon is on this list and can provide us with info of what's available there. We just had the annual train show on the 18th and 19th. Mostly HO, and N, and G (live steam), but the Cresent City S-Gaugers were there with a nice S-scale layout. GATS came through 2 years ago, which was a nice rare occurance. This just isn't a great area for S, but thanks to the internet, this mail list, S-Vendors, and UPS, Fed-ex, etc, it's not totally barren... Good luck on the job. Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10473	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Baton Rouge S-Gauge

Hello Claimsboss: I left Baton Rouge in 1980, but spent 11 years there and still have quite a few railroad friends there. GATS held a show in Baton Rouge last year I believe, but it is a rare occassion. The local model railroad club used to host an annual show at the Centraplex. Don't know if it still happens. However, you are only about one hour from New Orleans where there is an active S club. Houston ( where I am now living) has a large S club, and we have two GATS shows per year. Baton Rouge is about a 4.5 hr drive. The Woodlands Flyer claimsboss@... wrote: > I have a potential job opportunity in Baton Rouge. While I will surely miss > the snow and -20 degrees of New Hampshire winters, we do need to get our > priorities straight. Does anyone know if there are any decent sized shows > with "S" showing? I know asking for a Springfield is asking for too much, > however is there anything such as the Northboro show or Topsfield? How about > clubs and dealers? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks > > Claimsboss > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10474	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a bad switch?

Here are some things to try: 1. Make sure the slider (if so equipped) on top of the switch is set to regular operation instead of 2-train operation. 2. Turn the switch over. On the bottom you will see a metal plate with 3 small screws. Remove the screws and the plate. You will see two metal contact plates with a wiper that slides back and forth when the switch is thrown. Clean the contacts and wiper with electronic tuner cleaner and make sure the two metal points on the wiper make good contact with the plates. If necessary, GENTLY bend the points upward to reach the contacts. Now re-assemble and try the switch. If you are lucky you can quit now. 3. If it still doesn't work and if you can find a volt-ohmmeter, use the ohmmeter to check the continuity through the contacts and rails to determine where the open point in the circuit is. If you don't have a VOM, you could try the same thing with a battery, a flashlight bulb, and a couple of lengths of wire. 4. Only in desperation if nothing else works, I would consider cleaning the wiper points and contact plates with extremely fine (600) wet-or-dry sandpaper. But you risk wrecking the points. I would definitely do step #3 to determine where the problem is first. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: roberte613@... <roberte613@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Help with a bad switch? >Happy day after Thanksgiving. I'm trying to get the layout together for the >holidays and have a misbehaving switch. It's the last of my old style 720s >(the narrow footprint and the lever that allows manual throw) but also my >last lefthander. Problem: No current flows to the turnout section of the >track when the switch is thrown. Works fine when straight. Can anyone give me >a detailed (not very familiar with how they work) primer on troubleshooting >this thing? Appreciate it. > >Robert > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10475	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: hithing billboard

Anybody have any hints on troubleshooting a whistling billboard that wheezes > more than it whistles? On this one, > when you press the button, you get first a whirring/rattling noise for a > half-second, then about a second of a rushing air/wheezing > noise, then finally it starts whistling. Dan, If your chamber is made in 2 pieces, I think there is a gasket in between the two . It's possible to have a leak in this gasket. I have a billboard thats just hisses and someone one recomended to me to try some permaseal or the blue gasket stuff you use on cars. Correct me Tom or David , or anyone else, if I'm off base with this. Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10476	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Flyer Projects for sale

OK, so I emptied out the back drawer of some projects I haven't been able to get to. Project 1. Comet set 466, 960,962,963. complete but somewhat beat up, Engine runs intermittently and has some repaint, but no cracks or such, 3 cars not too bad, some scratches and dome is cracked but no big problems. $160 set. Project 2. 360, 361, 361 Alco PAs. chromed but badly yellowed and badly chipped. mostly complete but not all the parts match. one sideframe is painted black. no cracks good repaint candidates one 361 has horn. $120 set Project 3. 360 Alco PA shell stripped in good shape black plastic and PB shell un SP silver with red/yel/blk stripes. very good shape both $40 Project 4. 740 handcar with replacement lanterns not attached, has screw for trailers, colors of figures somewhat worn away. $40 project 5. GP 7 shell painter primer gray with a less than perfect frame and 1 power unit and 2 side frames plus whatever I can find to put with it. $40 Project 6. 18 repro side frames for GP 7's soft type metal. all silver, I think half left and half right. $35 Project 7. Not really a project just extra cars 942 seaboard, 633 B and O conv to knuckle, 913 GN with faded decals . All 3 for $70 I also have a friend with 12 different Lionel/Flyer NASG and TCA convention cars for under book value. 1991-1997. Ask if there is interest. I have his list by 6-484xx type numbers. Contact me off list for any interest in the items above. Make an offer. Shipping is negotiable Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. TCA 87-26227 NASG 86R0067W

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10477	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Al Paolozzi asks: > I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! Al: I think the little drummer boy lives nearby . . . in Pahrump Pa Pump Pah, I think. Welcome Aboard, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10478	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: KC S Gaugers at Union Station Holiday Show

Hey Butch, Nice pix! And nice repaints of the Flyer NH cars. It's a good looking consist mix. Talk a little about that intermodal gantry. Is it a kit, a toy pre-fab you bashed, or a freelanced scratchbuild? It's just what I am looking for. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10479	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Al is one of our rapidly depleting Seattle flyer contingent that couldn't handle the steady rain (2 inches today) and unmoving traffic ("don't go there" takes on a new meaning here). Hope you are enjoying your new place (what is sun like in winter???) Now to get Dave on list from Arizona. eric reis kenmore, wa. -----Original Message----- From: busy-boy [mailto:busy-boy@...] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:50 PM To: slist Cc: amflyral@... Subject: [S-Trains] re: member locations Al Paolozzi asks: > I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! Al: I think the little drummer boy lives nearby . . . in Pahrump Pa Pump Pah, I think. Welcome Aboard, Chris Zizzo S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10480	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Dennis D.

Your return e-mail does not seem to work. it rejects your name at your server?? What you offered is fine Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10481	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Seattle only gets 36 to 38 inches a year. They get 65 inches in Miami. Over 70 in parts of Mississippi and some thing like 180 in the Alaska pan handle. I lived in Seattle for 20 years( just left in Aug. 00) and we had a rain or two a year. I saw more rain in Kansas where I grew up than you see in Seattle. Unmoving traffic I will agree with. Larry The Reis's wrote: > > Al is one of our rapidly depleting Seattle flyer contingent > that couldn't handle the steady rain (2 inches today) and >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10482	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Dennis D. otherwise it's junk mail, thanks.

Sorry about the mass mailing: please delete Dennis D. I can't get an email to go through to you so.... offer Ok and I will include postage. Eric Reis P.O. Box 82126 Kenmore, Wa 98028

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10483	From: The Reis's	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

That's right you were only a few miles away. Rain: I know, I know, I've been here now 50 years, and it just seems like more rain than other places. As you know the number of gray misty rain days without much accumulation is high. But the few clear sunny days are appreciated. That's why Seattle is one of the leading areas for selling sun glasses. When the sunny day comes around you can't remember what happened to the last pair you bought. Back to trains.....sorry for the off topic response........ Well no politics, no chads, no religion, it may slip by. eric -----Original Message----- From: lawrence jackman [mailto:ljack70117@...] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:59 PM To: The Reis's Cc: slist; amflyral@... Subject: Re: [S-Trains] re: member locations Seattle only gets 36 to 38 inches a year. They get 65 inches in Miami. Over 70 in parts of Mississippi and some thing like 180 in the Alaska pan handle. I lived in Seattle for 20 years( just left in Aug. 00) and we had a rain or two a year. I saw more rain in Kansas where I grew up than you see in Seattle. Unmoving traffic I will agree with. Larry The Reis's wrote: > > Al is one of our rapidly depleting Seattle flyer contingent > that couldn't handle the steady rain (2 inches today) and >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10484	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/26/2000
Subject: Re: hithing billboard

Sounds like a good idea to me. You might also check for a loose impeller, and for an armature that is rubbing on the brush tubes (would require shimming, depending on the armature, a shim washer will work. I'd have to look at one, you don't want to short out the segments!). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10485	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: The Gauntlet has been thrown!

RECORDS ARE FOR PLAYING ON PHONOGRAPHS. I think we would have trouble getting that many S gaugers together in one place. Glenn S-Trains Digest Number 827 The last run of the day at 4PM saw all previous records of the fall, as the Desert Division TCA members outdid themselves by running 111U Lionel trains for eight minutes and two seconds! These records set by one hundred toy enthusiasts, running over one hundred Lionel trains, representing most years of Lionel manufacture over this century should, once certified by Guinness, stand for the next one hundred years of record keeping. Thanks to the generosity of the Desert Division, hundreds of new toys were donated to The United States Marine Corps' Toys for Tots program. Photographs and more information are available at http://www.train99.com/100years.com Terry Gibbs Beating this record will settle (for a minute at least) the question of which is better!! ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10486	From: Novak, William	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Amtrak's Acela

For those interested in high speed passenger service here's a news item from the Trains magazine newswire. Remember, our AF transformers only go to 120 mph! (Also, note that the present Metroliner runs between Washington and NY City are 2 hours 59 minutes.) Acela Express makes flawless maiden run for media, VIP's Complete with fireworks and the popping of champagne corks, Amtrak's high-speed Acela Express made a big publicity splash along the East Coast during its November 16 VIP run between Washington, D.C., and Boston. Revenue service with the first two of 20 trainsets is due to begin on December 11, although the new trains will occasionally pinch-hit for standard Metroliner trains between now and then. "An opportunity like this comes once in a generation," Amtrak President George Warrington said on board the train. "I liken this to the development of the jet engine or the interstate highway system." The Acela Express, which tilts through curves to allow faster speeds, ran from Washington to Penn Station in New York nonstop, in 2 hours 26 minutes. It followed up that performance by running from New York to Boston in 3 hours 9 minutes, some 5 minutes ahead of schedule. On stretches where allowed east of New Haven, Conn., the Acela Express hit 150 mph. Bill Novak Arlington, Virginia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10487	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 826

Dwtght : Lockout resistor is a 10 ohm, 10 watt. I have used diodes to achieve the same results. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10488	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Nashville Train Show

We have been asked by The Music City Chapter of the Train Collecors Assoc. to bring an S gauge lay out Dec. 9th to their 7 annual train show at the Tennessee State Fair Grounds. Admission is $4 and it will run from 9 am to 4 pm. This is our chance to get a real group started in TN. Jim Sleeth 615-463-7855.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10489	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: New road names from Hobby Surplus......

For those who are familiar with "Hobby Surplus", this is old news to you but I thought I would pass this along. The new catalog that I just received shows three cabooses, and two gondolas with new colors and road names, using original GILBERT AF bodies. You can check them out at www.hobbysurplus.com , Also at the site is Vincent Amato's story on how he came to buy much of Gilberts goodies when they bellied-up. I found it quite interesting. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10490	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Hi, Yes...there is an American Flyer club in Salt Lake City....and I have started an American Flyer egroup club. You are close enough to us that you could join our club and come to our 3 shows per year. If you want to join my "e-groups" American Flyer Club...let me know and I will send you the email address. We talk American Flyer on a daily basis. We are not nearly as large as S Trains...but we sure have alot of fun. Wayne Broadhead Golden Spike American Flyer Club UTtrains (egroup club) al paolozzi wrote: > > I have been on the internet with this group several months and don't know where the rest of the members are. I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! Is there a way of printing a membership roster of those that are on this e-mail group? Where is Pahrump? Good question, about 1-hour west of Las Vegas. I would appreciate hearing from any flyer guys that might be nearby. amflyral@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10491	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

Here is my new "egroups" American Flyer list, so you can participate in nearby Nevada. http://www.egroups.com/group/uttrains-americanflyer Enjoy, Wayne Broadhead List moderator al paolozzi wrote: > > I have been on the internet with this group several months and don't know where the rest of the members are. I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! Is there a way of printing a membership roster of those that are on this e-mail group? Where is Pahrump? Good question, about 1-hour west of Las Vegas. I would appreciate hearing from any flyer guys that might be nearby. amflyral@... > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10492	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: this might help

Guys, I noticed that Radio Shack has a magnifier lamp on sale for $12.99, 35% off. This is a lamp and magnifying glass combination on a pantograph arm. Such a device can really help you see what you're doing when fixing trains, especially if like me you need reading glasses for near vision. I haven't seen this particular unit, but it's probably similar to most of those on the market. They usually cost $20-$25. The Radio Shack number is #910-3529 Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10493	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Washington Post Article

In today's Washington Post is a nice article by Jonathan Yardley about his American Flyer trains he had as a boy. He writes that he did not have Lionel, but mentions the 100th anniversary of Lionel and how American Flyer was more realistic that Lionel as we all know! It is a nicely written in favor of Flyer and I was surprised to see that in the paper since trains are not as popular as they were in the 50's and 60's with the young kids today. The article can be read by all at www.washingtonpost.com and click on Style section. Scroll down to the article "The Trains of Christmas" by Jonathan Yardley. Michael Marmer Germantown, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10494	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Chat Test - Egroups chat room

In a search for a new (more reliable) chat room , I invite any of you that are available Tuesday Night to meet me at the S-Trains Egroups chat room. I will be there at about 5pm EST and plan on hanging around till about 8pm. http://www.egroups.com/chat/S-Trains or go to http://www.egroups.com/group/S-Trains and select 'CHAT' -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10495	From: Ross M Roberts Sandra Lee Roberts	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Fw: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trains

Subject: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trains > http://www.msnbc.com/news/495033.asp?sym=MSFT > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10496	From: Gary Mitchelson	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis

I am ordering a parts break down manual from Hobby Surplus but before I get it I need help on a part number so I can order it at the same time. It is for the 21107 engine and it is the chassis (4 wheel). The part no on the part I have is PA-15D285-A but I can not find that listed on Hobby Surplus or The R.F. Giardina, Co (which seems to list it as PA 10512). None of my other engines have the number on the chassis as this did. Gary Mitchelson N3JPU 6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed Montgomery County, MD FM19lc http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ n3jpu@... n3jpu@... gmitchelson@... (Work) gmitchelson@... (Work)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10497	From: starr007	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Eric Reis's for sale list

Does anyone know how I can contasct Eric Reis about the items he has for sale? Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10498	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trai

Damm, there goes the neighborhood Larry Ross M Robbers Sandra Lee Robbers wrote: > > Subject: Microsoft plans to hop aboard the resurgence in model trains > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/495033.asp?sym=MSFT > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10499	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: member locations

In a message dated 11/27/2000 4:34:33 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > > I am in Pahrump, Nevada. Is there anyone else nearby....HELLO! > > Art Bell is there too.........He collects aliens... Steve Blackburn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10500	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?

At the 1998 NMRA Convention in Kansas City, we saw a clinic by Aero-Locomotive Works, div Aero-Car Technology, Inc., PO Box 336, Western Springs, IL 60558-0336. phone 708-9027. They had a line of several lubricants that are not petroleum based at all, and represented it as being much better than oil-based products; For about $15.00, you got a "train-pak" of motor lube, gear lube, and "conducta-lube" with directions, etc. One major items is you have to clear out all the old stuff first. I still have the pack, but have not yet opened it because I have not had to do any engines yet, but that may change shortly. DJE >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10501	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Gobble Gobble (humor?)

Watch it everyone, it is easy to get fowled up here, now. I hope this is not for the birds. >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10502	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: [Fwd: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS?]

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10503	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Lubricants?

Dear Dave, We have been recommending Aero lube for our locos since the 2nd run of SW-9s. We stock the trains pak now. Don Thompson ironhors@... wrote: > At the 1998 NMRA Convention in Kansas City, we saw a clinic by Aero-Locomotive > Works, div Aero-Car Technology, Inc., PO Box 336, Western Springs, IL > 60558-0336. phone 708-9027. They had a line of several lubricants that are not > petroleum based at all, and represented it as being much better than oil-based > products; For about $15.00, you got a "train-pak" of motor lube, gear lube, and > "conducta-lube" with directions, etc. One major items is you have to clear out > all the old stuff first. I still have the pack, but have not yet opened it > because I have not had to do any engines yet, but that may change shortly. DJE > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10504	From: Neil Trump	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis

You need to use the loco 21105 as the parts source, Gilbert didn't supply a sheet for the 21107. It is the later split chassis on this one Neil T. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Mitchelson <n3jpu@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: 27 November 2000 16:54 Subject: [S-Trains] Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis >I am ordering a parts break down manual from Hobby Surplus but before I get >it I need help on a part number so I can order it at the same time. It is >for the 21107 engine and it is the chassis (4 wheel). The part no on the >part I have is PA-15D285-A but I can not find that listed on Hobby Surplus >or The R.F. Giardina, Co (which seems to list it as PA 10512). None of my >other engines have the number on the chassis as this did. > >Gary Mitchelson N3JPU >6M WAS (#1069), 6M VUCC (#1070) 250 confirmed >Montgomery County, MD FM19lc >http://n3jpu.tripod.com/ >n3jpu@... n3jpu@... >gmitchelson@... (Work) >gmitchelson@... (Work) > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10505	From: Karl Raab	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Franklin at Walmart

Have you been to the Christmas decoration department at Wal-Mart recently? Take a look at the boxes of green extension cords being sold. The AF Franklin locomotive makes it's most recent advertising appearance on the package. Even with the Franklin name blanked out...it still looks great

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10506	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: Re: Help id'ing part no for 4 wheel chassis

Gary, The parts breakdown for you engine is essentially the 302/307 breakdown, except yours has the split chassis with plastic drive wheels. The PA 10512 is the one-piece chassis used with die-cast drive wheels. HSS used to have a bunch of the late split atlantic chassis, they may all be gone by now ("Used to" is about 20 years ago!). it is often easier, and cheaper to find a junker to get the chassis. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10507	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/27/2000
Subject: What train is in Jack's new commercial

Hi all, Just got a glance at a Jack in the Box "Holiday Balls" commercial Done in a '50s motif, the opening scene shows a train set, couldn't get eyes focused fast enough to ID it, any know? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10508	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???

I just received a letter from the Great American Train Show. The letter was sent to me as an exhibitor asking me if I wanted tables at their January GATS show in Houston, ( just a few spaces left.....the letter says). It then also advised that the GATS show is combined with a computer show!! ( the letter then went on to advise I would have twice as many customers as there would be the crowd attending to buy computers.) Hmmm..does this mean GATS can no longer make it as a train show and now must be combined with a computer show to exist??? I don't take this letter as a positive sign. Has anyone else outside of Houston received a similar letter?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10509	From: William H Trefts	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Questions: Stockyard and 770 Platform Operation

Greetings! I'm digging out accessories to try out on a layout this weekend. Never had experience with most of them. Couple questions came to mind. On the stockyard, where do the cattle go after they are loaded in the stock car? An illustration I saw shows the door open and gave me the idea they just jump back over the fence. Do the brown and black both jump over the same fence? I had it hooked to the accessory post while trying it. Boy, those little guys fly out of the gate. Someone must have given them some fermenting grain. Several layed down to sleep it off. (I think I'll reduce the power.) On the 770 Platform. I've got it working pretty well with the little, heavy metal "crates". But I have some original milk cans on the square bases that the little guys' arm gets caught on after he launches the first can, so the cans jam up, and he is stuck in mid-return. On the lubrication question, I've had a couple responses that were on list. Thank you! At the moment, I've bought a little tube of the lubriplate and a bottle of LaBelle 107. I may consider the Aero-Pack in the not-too-distant future. Thank you all again! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10510	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Marx parts list

Is there any one that has exploded view and part list for Marx trains. Please e-mail me direct. grdobbd@... Thank you Jerry ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10511	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Snagged another one! (Trains of Christmas)

Hi Everyone! After reading the posting about the Washington Post article, I went to the site and read it. Then I composed the following letter to Jonathan (the writer), and this morning recieved a thank you and the statement the "I will certainly look at that site" Sooo....we caught another one in our S web! Isn't addiction rewarding?? ;-) S' David D. Jonathan, You'll be happy to know that many of those HO empires are now S gauge empires. While A C Gilbert isn't around anymore, (and Lionel has the rights to the American Flyer name--and the remaining tooling--AAAUGH!) there are others making S gauge trains in AC's tradition, the two main ones being S Helper Service, and American Models. There's even a rather grand web presence of S, the main "clearing house" is Paul Yorke's site at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ So put away that darned brown suitcase, and have some fun! S'incerely, David Dewey webpage: www.quiknet.com/~djdewey PS The 322 is a good solid running engine, one of my favorites. Track is around, you could have it running under your tree this year! And your column was mentioned in our S-trains BBS, that's how I found it. (We have S spies everywhere!) :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10512	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: THE TRAINS OF CHRISTMAS

Thanks Michael, I found it by searching on columnists at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60911-2000Nov27.html Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10513	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Article

--- michael marmer <mlmarmer@...> wrote: > In today's Washington Post is a nice article by Jonathan Yardley > about his American Flyer trains he had as a boy. Here is the URL to go straight to the article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60911-2000Nov27.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10514	From: busy-boy	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Article

Michael Marmer brought to our attention this very good Washington Post article by Jonathan Yardley. Since a newspaper (and its website) are living organisms, you will find it difficult to find the article using Michael's directions, since they only apply to the 11/27 issue. Go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/ and type "Yardley" into the Site Search Bar. Click "Go" and the list of Jonathan Yardley's articles will come up, including "The Trains of Christmas". Click on the title and the article will appear. Chris Z.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10515	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Mr. Yardley

Thanks to everyone who responded to me about the Washington Post article. I hope everyone was able to find it okay after it moved to the archeives. Yes, the paper is a daily (one of the best papers in the world!)and it is now in the archeives. It will stay there for only a few weeks to view. I am sending to S-trains my e-mail to Mr. Yardley and how I got back into the trains and a little history of AF for Mr. Yardley and insight of the product. Mr. Yardley did send me a nice and polite response. He is probably very surprise about the S-train group response to him and that a group exist. For someone who is not train person anymore, he had some good knowledge of the A.C. Gilbert company and product. He knew why American Flyer was better than Lionel. He has more basic knowledge of AF over Lionel than most who have probably long forgotten their trains in their childhood. Now we need to convert Neil Young over to the better scale! Not many would who had a basic train. ----- Original Message ----- From: mlmarmer To: yardley@... Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: American Flyer Trains Dear Mr. Yardley, I was pleasantly surprised to see an article in today's Washington Post about model trains, especially about American Flyer trains. I really enjoyed reading your article and I am sure that many have no idea what American Flyer trains were or are. Of course, HO Aurora slot racing cars helped to hurt trains sales in the 60's. I sent an email to the S-trains group that I belong to on e-groups about your article. Hopefully, many in this group will read the article I am 45 and my father bought a set in 1958 (recession year) for $75 (which is a very valuable set with a 5 digit , 21129, very rare,Hudson, your 322 Hudson, plus $75 in 1958 was allot of money back then) and I held on to that set since. I did get into HO in the 60's. In 1958 A.C. Gilbert changed the numbering system to 5 digits and many rarities are from 1958 due to little production (recession). In the early 1960, the quality of the products went down the tubes to save cost, but this move started the end for American Flyer. Sales plummeted. The company suffered great business loses in profits. But like many of us who had AF trains in our youth, we all took them out one year and got re-hooked on them. I belong to TCA. (Train Collectors Association and attend many train shows which are great fun, York, PA twice a year is wonderful) I have assembled a very large collection of mint to excellent AF trains and accessories. It is amazing the things Lionel and AF did to try to take business from each other. By the way, Neil Young is a part owner of Lionel trains. Lionel is way too big as you said and the detail of Flyer is much better. Today Lionel has allot of good competition and the competition detail is better. In S there is S-helper that has some great product and reasonably priced. The S-gauge hobby is making a slow comeback in popularity with many new manufacturers of product. There is even S-Gaugian magazine with great articles on the old product and new and stories and pictures of peoples layouts. Their is allot of interesting things about the American Flyer company and products. There are a few books about the products and company available for reading. The catalogs from the company are beautiful pieces of artwork. It is a shame that the times were a changing ( as Bob Dylan sang) in the toy business and kids today have allot of competition for their money in many areas. I do not collect AF because of its value, but because the pieces bring great joy to look at these things. The operating cars are something. Joe and Moe pushing off the lumber on a flat car. Many themes of trains in the 50''s and 60's were based on the cold war with the military items. Today you look in amazement at these cars with radio active fuel, exploding boxcars and rocket cars! The accessories were wonderful especially the sawmill and Bessie the cow trying to stop the train or else there was hamburger all over the town! Anyway, thanks again for the article, it was great! If you are ever in the Germantown area, please let me know and stop by to see my collection of American Flyer trains. It was a different era! Sincerely, Michael Marmer Germantown, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10516	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: tiny tiny camera

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10517	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: more tiny, tiny cameras 007

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10518	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???

They did a similar thing here in Denver this past spring. They had the train show in one part of the exhibition building and the computer show in another, separate entrances. You had to buy separate tickets for both. This made a mess for parking and lines everywhere. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO kite1@... wrote: > I just received a letter from the Great American Train Show. The letter > > was sent to me as an exhibitor asking me if I wanted tables at their > January GATS show in Houston, ( just a few spaces left.....the letter > says). It then also advised that the GATS show is combined with a > computer show!! ( the letter then went on to advise I would have twice > as many customers as there would be the crowd attending to buy > computers.) > > Hmmm..does this mean GATS can no longer make it as a train show and now > must be combined with a computer show to exist??? I don't take this > letter as a positive sign. Has anyone else outside of Houston received a > > similar letter? > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10519	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Washington Post story

>>>Michael Marmer wrote: In today's Washington Post is a nice article by Jonathan Yardley about his American Flyer trains he had as a boy. . . >>> Michael, thanks for the tip. I had to look in the Post's archives <http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A60911-2000Nov27?language=printer> to find the article. It sounds like Jonathan Yardley needs to flesh out his original NYC 322 set, so someone in his area needs to recruit him to a local club and get him restarted. It's always nice to have a professional writer in the hobby. Jonathan's e-mail address is <yardley@...>, so let's let him know that S is very much alive and well, and that it's not necessarily true that "presumably many S-gauge loyalists switched to HO after American Flyer's demise." John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10520	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Fwd: Trains of Christmas

David, I also sent an e-mail to Mr. Yardley at The Post. Copied to you and the list and here is his reply to me:Dear Mr. Burger: Thanks for all the info and the URLs. I promise I'll look them up. yrs, jonathan yardley I wonder if anyone else on the list sent him an e-mail. Maybe we get some more articles out of this, or at least another s-gauger out of the closet and onto the list. Gosh this is fun!!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10521	From: jerryfish@worldnet.att.net	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Re: G.A.T.S. GOES COMPUTERS???

I was at a GATS Show Sunday at Collisnville IL. (St Louis, MO Area) NO computers there, Recevied Flyer for GATS show in January in St. Louis, MO., it doesn't say anything about computers in it. Jerry > I just received a letter from the Great American Train Show. The letter > > was sent to me as an exhibitor asking me if I wanted tables at their > January GATS show in Houston, ( just a few spaces left.....the letter > says). It then also advised that the GATS show is combined with a > computer show!! ( the letter then went on to advise I would have twice > as many customers as there would be the crowd attending to buy > computers.) > > Hmmm..does this mean GATS can no longer make it as a train show and now > must be combined with a computer show to exist??? I don't take this > letter as a positive sign. Has anyone else outside of Houston received a > > similar letter? > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10522	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: Hobby Surplus

Rick, Thanks for letting us know about Mr. Amato's story on his company's website on how he aquired the parts department and other items from the A.C. Gilbert company. It was fasinating reading. It is a great article. I am on their mailing list for catolog's but of course there is not much in Flyer or S gauge, but looking at the website pictures of the 2 shoppes, it looks like a great hobby shop to visit. I go to Maine twice a year and up I-84 in CT which passes by New Britian. That store is only minutes from the interstate. I hope to stop in next June. Mike Marmer Germantown, MD >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10523	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 11/28/2000
Subject: More SHS blatant commercialism

Re: SHS blatant commercialism - We have added 6 new S gauge Starter Sets for 2001. Featuring..... * Lighted Diesel locomotive and caboose * Fully assembled, ready to run * Comes complete with detailed instruction booklet * DC power pack with momentum, on/off green light and overload red warning light * Big 40” x 60” oval of track included (12 curved, 4 straight track sections with roadbed) * Compatible with A.C. Gilbert American Flyer® S Gauge trains * Packaged in large suitcase-style giftbox The first 5 sets are available now.... #00536 ICG SW-1 four -car set, ICG #00432 SW-1, Canadian National #00149 stock car, Ready-Mix-Concrete #00090 two bay covered hopper, RS&P #00410 rebuilt-steel boxcar, ICG #00234 caboose. $299.95 #00537 Soo Line five -car set, SOO #00452 SW-1, Wabash #00147 wooden boxcar, SOO #00079 two bay covered hopper, CB&Q #00150 stock car, SOO #00335 bulkhead flatcar w/Gold Bond, SOO #00245 caboose. $369.95 #00539 Great Northern SW-9 6-car set, GN #00428 SW-9, GN #00523 boxcar, Canadian Pacific #00075 wooden boxcar, GN #00076 two bay covered hopper, GTW flatcar #00559 w/ JD excavator load, CB&Q(black) #00402 three bay covered hopper Great Northern #00232 caboose. $399.95 #00538 Milwaukee Road SW-1 5-car set, Milwaukee Road #00448 SW-1, Milwaukee Road #00144 wooden boxcar, Katy #00082 two bay covered hopper, MKT #00151 stock car, UP #00185 Trailer on flat car, MILW #00267 caboose. $369.95 #00540 Seaboard SW-1 six-car set, Seaboard SW-1 #00451 SW-1, Ball Lines #00411 rebuilt-steel boxcar, Central Soya #00409 two bay covered hopper, Atlantic Coast Line #00055 stock car, UP #00405 3 bay hopper, Seaboard #00183 TOFC, Seaboard #00243 caboose . $399.95 These will not be available to Spring 2001 #00541 CB&Q F-3 six-car set, CB&Q #00542 F-3A, UP #00152 stock car, CNW(M&StL) #00407 two bay covered hopper, GN #00523 rebuilt boxcar, CNW #00188 Trailer on flat car, CB&Q #00399 3 bay hopper, CB&Q #00223 caboose. $429.95 -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10524	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Bye! For awhile.....

Hi all, Just a note to say that I will be off-line for one to two weeks. Computer is going into the shop for warranty work. My CD burner pooped out. I'll be taking it in this week sometime. Maybe I'll have some time to get my Christmas layout started!! Look forward to catching up on all the posts. Take care, Rick (I hope I make it through this!) Evans. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10525	From: erierailroad@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club

Howdy, I have not been involved with AF for a few years, and was wondering if the AFCC is still in business. If so, whats the address and dues? Thanks, Jack

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10526	From: Novak, William	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Washington Post Story

I extended an invitation to Mr. Yardley to join the Washington & Old Dominion Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. The W&OD will be doing a benefit run at the children's ward of Fairfax County Hospital in Virginia on December 9th and will also be running at the Greenburg show at the Expo Center in Chantilly, VA on December 30-31. Anyone else in the area who like to join us at Chantilly is more then welcomed to do so. Bill Novak Arlington, Virginia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10527	From: Roy Plotnick	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Mr. Yardley

I also e-mailed him and received a courteous reply. His mail box must have been flooded! -Roy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10528	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: IR Cabeese

Now in Stock: "S Gauge" Industrial Rail Caboose This is the caboose produced by Industrial Rail that has O gauge trucks, but can be easily converted to S gauge. This can be done with a professional look by using Gilbert PA10235A truck rivets, or you can use a screw and nut assembly. As is with Converted to Riveted O Gauge Trucks Repro AF KC Trucks Chessie System $16 $29 Burlington Northern $16 $29 A.T.& S.F. $16 $29 Plus $5 shipping and handling. Quantities are limited. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10529	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: TRAINS & COMPUTER?

Hi Michael, I have noticed in the last year that train show attendance is down at both GATS and Greenberg shows although I have not been invited to a combined show yet. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10530	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: THE TRAINS OF MY CHRISTMAS

It seems Jonathan appreciates all of our personal notes and takes the time to answer them. Glenn Jonathan Yardley wrote: > Dear Mr. Ritter: Thanks for your kind remarks and > interesting > comments about my column on model trains. > I've really been surprised that so many others > have similar memories and that S-gauge modeling > lives on despite the demise of A.C. Gilbert. It was > good of you to write. yours, jonathan yardley [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10531	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: American Flyer & other S-Gauge Video

Hi everyone, I have written to everyone that professed interest in the video I have produced on S-Gauge model railroading in the Intermountain west. At least I hope I wrote to everyone. The tapes are being run as I write and will be ready for shipment next week. I was overwhelmed by the number of people interested and now invite any and all to send their payment. It will be $12.50 and that includes shipping. I ended up making 100 copies because I had to buy the tapes in lots of 50 to get a bargain price. Since I had over 60 orders it was necessary anyway. So, If you like it, tell a friend. I will still have a few left. If you don't like it, post that fact right here for all to see. As originally stated I am not a professional video maker but was lucky enough to be in the right spot(s) at the right time and get some nice stuff on quality equipment. It's a fun tape.... Thanks again to all. I had no vision of this when I offered to make a few copies of mine. If feedback is positive from you I will be putting out another tape next fall that follows a new 24X26 S-layout being built from the four bare walls to finished product. I am also going to round up all the video that has been taken of the Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers "Lookout! Junction" layout, from it's first run in phase one to it's current version. Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10532	From: louis glumac	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer Collectors Club

hi,,,the american flyer collectors club closed shop,i dont think anyone has tried to revive it yet,,,,,,,any takers here?? ----- Original Message ----- From: <erierailroad@...> To: <S-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Collectors Club > Howdy, > > I have not been involved with AF for a few years, and was wondering if the > AFCC is still in business. If so, whats the address and dues? > > Thanks, > Jack > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10533	From: Rick Evans	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Fw: American Flyer is alive!!

WE may have all received the same response from Mr. Yardley,...but the fact remains he took the time to answer our e-mails! I'm sure he was quite surprized at the mail he received over his article! Maybe he'll get that train under the tree this year!! Rick. :-) (((Dear Mr. Evans: Thanks for your kind remarks and interesting comments about my column on model trains. I've really been surprised that so many others have similar memories and that S-gauge modeling lives on despite the demise of A.C. Gilbert. It was good of you to write. yrs, jonathan yardley))))

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10534	From: Dick Kuepper	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] More SHS blatant commercialism

Speaking ONLY for myself, when people like SHS and American Models, to name only two, produce the quality and quantity of products for the S market that you do, please continue with the BLATANT COMMERCIALISM. This is one of the ways we learn what's available. Dick Kuepper At 06:35 PM 11/28/00 -0500, Robin Thompson wrote: >Re: SHS blatant commercialism - > > We have added 6 new S gauge Starter Sets for 2001. > >Featuring..... > >* Lighted Diesel locomotive and caboose >* Fully assembled, ready to run >* Comes complete with detailed instruction booklet >* DC power pack with momentum, on/off green light and overload red >warning light >* Big 40” x 60” oval of track included (12 curved, 4 straight track >sections with roadbed) >* Compatible with A.C. Gilbert American Flyer® S Gauge trains >* Packaged in large suitcase-style giftbox > >The first 5 sets are available now.... > >#00536 ICG SW-1 four -car set, ICG #00432 SW-1, Canadian National #00149 > >stock car, Ready-Mix-Concrete #00090 two bay covered hopper, RS&P #00410 > >rebuilt-steel boxcar, ICG #00234 caboose. $299.95 > >#00537 Soo Line five -car set, SOO #00452 SW-1, Wabash #00147 wooden >boxcar, SOO #00079 two bay covered hopper, CB&Q #00150 stock car, SOO >#00335 bulkhead flatcar w/Gold Bond, SOO #00245 caboose. $369.95 > >#00539 Great Northern SW-9 6-car set, GN #00428 SW-9, GN #00523 boxcar, >Canadian Pacific #00075 wooden boxcar, GN #00076 two bay covered hopper, > >GTW flatcar #00559 w/ JD excavator load, CB&Q(black) #00402 three bay >covered hopper Great Northern #00232 caboose. $399.95 > >#00538 Milwaukee Road SW-1 5-car set, Milwaukee Road #00448 SW-1, >Milwaukee Road #00144 wooden boxcar, Katy #00082 two bay covered hopper, > >MKT #00151 stock car, UP #00185 Trailer on flat car, MILW #00267 >caboose. $369.95 > >#00540 Seaboard SW-1 six-car set, Seaboard SW-1 #00451 SW-1, Ball Lines >#00411 rebuilt-steel boxcar, Central Soya #00409 two bay covered >hopper, Atlantic Coast Line #00055 stock car, UP #00405 3 bay hopper, >Seaboard #00183 TOFC, Seaboard #00243 caboose . $399.95 > >These will not be available to Spring 2001 > >#00541 CB&Q F-3 six-car set, CB&Q #00542 F-3A, UP #00152 stock car, >CNW(M&StL) #00407 two bay covered hopper, GN #00523 rebuilt boxcar, CNW >#00188 Trailer on flat car, CB&Q #00399 3 bay hopper, CB&Q #00223 >caboose. $429.95 > > >-- Don Thompson >S Helper Service Inc. >http://www.showcaseline.com >1.800.465.0303 >40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! >http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >showcaseline-unsubscribe@egroups.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10535	From: Marc McCarron	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: HELP! need info

I am going to sell my hand car work train set on ebay and I don't know what the numbers are to list it under. It is the hand car and three tipple cars set or (miner work train). what number was this set? What is the official name? Thanks in advance. Marc McCarron

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10536	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/29/2000
Subject: Re: Fw: American Flyer is alive!!

Rick probably won't get this, but my answering message was different from his, so I think Jonathan may have personally written each of us! Hope he has AF trains under his tree this year! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10537	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC Can

If one were to use a 'retrofit' DC can motor on an AC track...? Do I only need to add a Diode to the circuit? Or is there something better, or safer I need to do. I realize I will not have direction control, but for this test I don't need it. But if this motor works good I will be looking for a circuit that would allow some control. One basic circuit might include the ability to reverse the direction with a manual 'on loco' switch. Or maybe use a Flyer reverse unit, or an electronic reverse unit. The preliminary writup is at http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/timko/timko.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10538	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can

In a message dated 11/30/00 6:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, yorke@... writes: << http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/timko/timko.html >> Why not use an electronic reverse unit by Dallee or American Models, that would give you your traditional F-N-R-N-F sequence similar to the AF reverse unit, plus when a electronic reverse equipped loco sits for 30 secs. it will allways start in forward. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10539	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC can for ACG AC steam engines

I meant to include this in a "York Report" I never got around to writing (heck I still need to finish the transformer table), but I ran across Frank Timko selling kits for this at York in October. The ready-to-bolt-in can motor costs $29.95. A reverse unit can be purchased for an additional $37.50. I don't plan to convert my ACG engines, but I kept the info "just in case". If anyone tries his system, please let us on this list know how you like the results. Thank you. Timko's Repair Depot 349 Grange Hall Rd Beavercreek, OH 45430 937/429-1461 email: FTimko@... PS I don't have my notes from York with me, but one thing I do remember struck me was "why does it seem that when I'm looking for specific things they're hard to find and prices are high, but later they're more numerous and going for less." Examples - - I found a sweet 21004 for $360, but in April when I was shopping and bought mine there wasn't anything like it for less than $400 (in fact many were selling for more than that). Then there's 499/21573's. When I was looking these were fetching $400 and up. I ended up buying a very nice one from the original owner for $397 which looks and runs very well. (must have been run very little, tightest tolerance axle holes I've come across yet, only blemish are the big "N"'s were slightly offset/double printed at the factory). This time at York they were selling for reasonably low prices - - like a dirty but complete 499 for $235, and several for under $350. Oh well, lick you wounds and move on. I'll bet I'm not alone with this feeling of "off-cycle" shopping. Two adages that help - - "don't forget the joy you've had from that purchase since you bought it", and "a train is worth whatever you paid for it, or else you wouldn't have bought it in the first place". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10540	From: David Dewey	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can

Paul, Yes, you can fit a diode and run your loco. Might be better to fit a rectifier chip, which will put out full-wave DC instead of a diode, which will put out half-wave DC. Most modern electronic reverse units convert AC to DC, and reverse polaritiy depending on the sequence of power applications, so yes, you can add a reverse unit! However, IMHO, one can do a heck of a lot of repairs to original ACG equipment for the price of the conversion! This thought may change as all the ACG stuff becomes too worn out --like the worm gear armature shaft, which I believe we are starting to see in "high mileage" locos. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10541	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: DC can

Paul: it is easy to use an AF reverse unit and a diode bridge to provide power to and control the direction of a DC motor using AC track power. This is described in my Roundhouse, "DC motors on AC", in the Sept-Oct '96 S Gaugian. What's the motor gonna go in? Are you planning something here? Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10542	From: Scott Holm	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: Re: DC Can

--- Paul Yorke <yorke@...> wrote: > If one were to use a 'retrofit' DC can motor on an AC track...? > Do I only need to add a Diode to the circuit? > Or is there something better, or safer I need to do. One thing to consider is the voltage rating of the can motor. If it's max is only about 10 volts then a diode is fine because it would cut the ac voltage in half by not allowing it to flow in one direction. If the can motor's max is about 20 then a rectifier is in order so that you get the benefit of both ac cycles and an average DC voltage output that's reasonably close to the average AC voltage. If you tried to run a motor whose max is 20 with just a diode it probably wouldn't go very fast. If the can motor's max is 30-40 volts a large capacitor across the DC output of the rectifier will get a voltage closer to the peak-to-peak AC voltage. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10543	From: Thor	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: S Gauge Section

Hi All! Got tied down here for a couple of months, so progress o nthe site was slowed. The S Gauge section is still in the works. Currently working on some info on 1/64 scale, and am planning a little surprise with track plans. Also, I have loads of pics to scan for other sections of the website. Only having the PFE reefer that John Foley sent me, I haven't been able to do our usual hands-on work. That will have to come later. At least we'll have something for S online soon. One thing - we have an article entitles "Train Runners" Currently it only covers O/O27. Anyone with tips on how we can add an S gauge supplement for using standard track, please email me. Thanks BTW - I posted several articles for the holidays, including one on safety and a couple for parents. These are generic, but seeing as so many new folks are checking out the hobby, they ought to have some place to get an idea of what is what Happy Railroading! Thor from The All Gauge Page http://thortrains.hypermart.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10544	From: michael marmer	Date: 11/30/2000
Subject: American Flyer Collectors Club

Jack, The last issue of the Collector, the publication of the American Flyer Collectors Club was Winter issue of 1998. The founder and editior, Frank Hare, did write in that issue that he was taking a sabbatical for a few months to give him time to have corrective eye surgery. I am not sure how Mr. Hare is doing. There is an address in the magazine of P.O. Box 13269, Pittsburgh, PA 15243 in case anybody would like to find out how he is. Of course that box may be closed also. Mike Marmer Geramntown, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <erierailroad@...> To: <S-trains@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:19 AM Subject: [S-Trains] American Flyer Collectors Club > Howdy, > > I have not been involved with AF for a few years, and was wondering if the > AFCC is still in business. If so, whats the address and dues? > > Thanks, > Jack > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10545	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor

Here is the message I got from Timko Ftimko@... Was recently talking to a friend of mine about a new American Flyer steam flywheel motor up grade I'm currently working on. He suggested I get in touch with you and your website. As I said, I have a DC can flywheel motor to replace the AC motor used in old Flyer steam engines. This motor fits in most of the old steam with the exception of the 0-6-0 and the 0-8-0. Although it will fit these engines, part of the motor and flywheel extend out of the cab slightly. This is the same motor used in current production Williams, Weaver, and MTH diesel engines. It runs real nice and makes a new engine out of these old Flyers. It can be used with a DC reverse unit , with a rectifier after the original reverse unit or with just DC on the track to reverse it's direction. This unit is not made up from cut up armatures but with new production gears. It includes the gear, motor, engine mount,and flywheel, and mount screws. They sell complete for $27.95 ea. or 2 for $50.00. Let me know if you may be interested in this conversion unit. Or attaching a link to my site. Currently it is not listed on my site but hope to add it soon. I also have been selling replacement flywheel motors for older Williams engines without flywheels for some time. So motor replacement is not something new to me. Will be expecting your reply. Thanks, Frank Timko "C:\America Online 4.0a\MbrFiles\PP3\FTIMKO\page\index.htm" TIMKO'S REPAIR DEPOT PS- There is no modification to the original engine, so engine value is not diminished. Note: I have not been able to access his site. It looks wrong to me???

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10546	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Re: Can Motor

In a message dated 12/1/00 3:32:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, yorke@... writes: << C:\America Online 4.0a\MbrFiles\PP3\FTIMKO\page\index.htm >> Paul, Timko is located here in Dayton, Ohio. He has his own shop in his house. He also has done some remotoring for Karl Hackman who owns Tinplate Station here in Dayton. The engines I have seen remotored by him are awesome! One of the guys in the Miami Valley S-gaugers has purchased one of the flyer motors at the lasy train show. I will try to find out his results and let eveyone know how it worked .Chris Burger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10547	From: thomrhymer@excite.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Re: Can Motor

> Note: I have not been able to access his site. It looks wrong to me??? http://hometown.aol.com/ftimko/page/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10548	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor

>Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:47:11 -0500 >From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> >Subject: Can Motor > >Here is the message I got from Timko Ftimko@... >Was recently talking to a friend of mine about a new American Flyer steam >flywheel motor up grade I'm currently working on. He suggested I get in >touch with you and your website. > >{. . .} > >Will be expecting your reply. >Thanks, >Frank Timko > >"C:\America Online 4.0a\MbrFiles\PP3\FTIMKO\page\index.htm" TIMKO'S REPAIR >DEPOT > > >Note: I have not been able to access his site. It looks wrong to me??? Frank included a link to his local hard drive - it should have been: http://hometown.aol.com/ftimko/page/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10549	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor

>Message: 8 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:47:11 -0500 >From: Paul Yorke <yorke@...> >Subject: Can Motor > >Here is the message I got from Timko Ftimko@... >Was recently talking to a friend of mine about a new American Flyer steam >flywheel motor up grade I'm currently working on. He suggested I get in >touch with you and your website. > >{. . .} > >Will be expecting your reply. >Thanks, >Frank Timko > >"C:\America Online 4.0a\MbrFiles\PP3\FTIMKO\page\index.htm" TIMKO'S REPAIR >DEPOT > > >Note: I have not been able to access his site. It looks wrong to me??? Frank included a link to his local hard drive - it should have been: http://hometown.aol.com/ftimko/page/index.htm

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10550	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: signs

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=514577137 This might be of interest to pre-1950 modelers. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10551	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: eBay

http://listings.ebay.com/aw/listings/list/all/category487/index.html There are quite a few SHS, PacRail, AM, and DCC listings here. Most PacRail items are listed for $20. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10552	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Gear for Crane

(Hope this isn't a redundant message. eGroups "bounced" my first attempt.) One of the members of our club is looking for a replacement gear for the 583A Electromagnetic Crane. As he described it to me, it is the larger gear which is driven by the pinion gear on the motor shaft. This larger gear is what rotates the house. Does anyone have a part number (can't find an exploded diagram in any of my books) or know where he can get one? Thanks. YourS, John Eichmann Rocky Mountain Hi-Railers Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10553	From: michael marmer	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Bouncing messages

Hi John, Don't feel bad about repeating a message we never got, I too am experiencing messages I have sent that have gotten "Bounce"! I looked at the help topic and everything on my end seems to be correctly set up. Does anyone really know why these messages may get bounce? Help! Any word if Mr. Yardley signed up? Mike Marmer Germantown, MD

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10554	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Northern VA Holiday Trains

I found this info so far on local Holiday Train stuff. If any of you go, please let the rest of us know more about them (i.e. worth seeing, etc.). Thanks. Train Display Fairfax Station 11200 Fairfax Station Rd. Fairfax Station (703) 425-9225 Sat 10-5, Sun 12-4 through December Note: Could be all Garden scale, not sure. Train Display Aspen Hill 13617 Conn. Ave. (202) 726-3333 Sat and Sun 11-5 through December "see 7 lines running" Train Display USGS Reston, 12/18-21, and 12/22. go to http://www.usgs.gov/trains click on 2000 USGS Holiday Trains - this is the one I helped out with during lunch hours last year. I've sent a note to their Flyer coordinator to see if they need "relief" engineers this year too. I'll let you know what I find out. This is a laaaarge multi-scale layout. Actually in the 1999 photos, you'll see me (if you look really hard) at the controls talking to a gentlemen from the audience. He was a senior citizen with a German accent. He said, as he watched my 326 pulling passenger cars (full speed, and smoking profusely of course), "now dat one ist goot, who ist running dis one?" When I said me, he said "ven vas dis made, und ver." I told him and he grunted, "is goot". Probably thought it was German, surprised to hear New Haven, Connecticut, but at least he appreciated the finest training running at the time (so I'm heavily biased);> Real Train Ride: Santa Express to Philadelphia go to http://www.dcnrhs.org Have fun, Let 'em run. Dave [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10555	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: DC motor operation - Greeting`S' - Paul Yorke asked a fine question aboutrunning a DC motor on an ACG AC system. A lonesome diode will do fine. It will deliver almost half the power to a fixed resistance load that AC delivers. One-half the sinusoid of current is discarded and a little bit of voltage in the current-conducting direction is lost across the diode. Transformer Diode and Switch to Track remove it from circuit ) ) )<-------------------|>|----------------------o ) | | ) / | ) |_____________| ) )_____________________________________________o Switch is SPST. If one wants almost the same power on DC as AC, then use a bridge rectifier (has four internal diodes) which turns the bottom halves of the current sinusoid into positive halves and leaves the positive halves almost unscathed. The voltage is reduced by the amount of two diode voltage drops. [Each diode drop is 0.7 V.] Transformer Bridge Rectifier Track ) + o-----------o o ) AC / \ AC \ / DC Reversing )<--------------< >-- -o \ o- Switch ) | \ / | | / \ | ) | - o---]-----]-o o | ) j | | | ) | | | | )__________|__________| | | | | |__ | | | | | | | AC - DC o o DC | | Selector /------------------------o | | Switch o o | | \___________________o | |___________________o o AC |______________________________| Switches are DPDT. Hope this helps. Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10556	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: DC motors

- Greeting`S' - While a DC-motor-powered locomotive almost begs to be run with polarity (DC) reversing., it can be sequence reversed using the AF reversing relay. For instance, on the drum-style reverser, connect the DC track power to the solid copper ring fingers (the ones on either side.) and the permanent magnet motor leads to the central fingers that rub on the segmented surface. As the relay is kicked over, one brush lead is connected first to the left rail, then to neutral, then to right rail. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10557	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Can Motor testimonial

Chris Burger forwarded me this note: From: Walt Schnee <WSchnee@...> To: "'Cbtrainnut@...'" <Cbtrainnut@...> Chris, It works really well. I put it in a '48 Hudson with a somewhat sloppy drive train, a real loose smoke unit and all metal driver tires--lots of drag I'm sure. My power unit is home built and starts at 5 volts dc and goes as high as 18 volts dc. At 10 to 12 volts the Hudson out runs all of my other stock Flyer engines running at full throttle. At full throttle it will jump off the curves while pulling 8 freight cars. This is on a loop of standard Flyer track about 50 feet in length and only one power connection. The engine will also pull the same train all the way around the loop with no hesitations at minimum voltage. I do use a pulse capacitor across the bridge rectifier but starts are smooth and immediate (but not jack rabbit) at 5 volts. Running one of these from an AF transformer through a bridge rectifier would be a problem. Your starts would be real quick and fast. Motor has lots of torque across the entire speed range. Installation was very simple. Installing one of these motors on an engine with much less friction and rubber drive tires would be very interesting. A very worthwhile investment. Hope this is what you were looking for. Walt

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10558	From: Erik Rasmussen	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Link Couplers

Group, I have a question about making link couplers more loose. What I really need to know is how to make a stiff link coupler go up and down when it is coupling easier. Is there any lubrication I can use? Or is there another method of taking care of this problem? Thanks in advance. Erik Rasmussen Coal Valley, IL

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10559	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Loco Cam Part 1

The Camera came on thursday, Here is what I have figured out in the hour or so I have played with it. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/loco_cam/vid_cam.html -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10560	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/1/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 3, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10561	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: S-Helper 2001 sets

Pictures of the new S-helper sets are in the s-trains (Yahoo) file section. I ordered mine yesterday. http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Helper+2001+Sets/2001set1_72.jpg http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Helper+2001+Sets/2001set2_72.jpg http://www.egroups.com/files/S-Trains/S-Helper+2001+Sets/2001set3_72.jpg -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10562	From: starr007	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: article on d.c. conversion using variac

A couple of years back I read an article on using a device called a variac to convert a.c. power to d.c. power. I believe this article was in the S Guagian , but I am not positive? Does anyone remember seeing this and if so , Where was it published and when? Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10563	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: New Catalog.......?

Does anyone know if the 2001 S-Helper catalog is out yet ? I'd like to order one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10564	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: New Catalog.......?

Does anyone know if the 2001 S-Helper catalog is out yet ? I'd like to order one.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10565	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: New SHS 2001 Catalog.......?

We must apolgies for the delays in the 2001 catalog, today, the FedEx person brought the color proofs from the printer. They should be in our hands the 2nd week in December. We will send them out then. Don Thompson Bob Sylsbury wrote: > Does anyone know if the 2001 S-Helper catalog is out yet ? I'd like > to order one. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10566	From: Jim Carnes	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

FYI - Gruntman9 is back on ebay. You may remember this discussion from early September. busy-boy wrote: > > Thanks Mike Strickland for your astute observation. > > I went to e-Bay for the first time in months and found the cleanest Lionel > Flyer and in great big bunches. I was feeling my oats with an impending > birthday and a fat paycheck in my hand, so I bid on some of these beautiful > diesels listed by "Gruntman9". A bidder named "Retired67" had dibs on > everything and I had to push pretty hard to shake him loose. I opened up > the list of all Gruntman9 auctions and found Retired67 on most of them. > However, once I had signed in, the full e-mail addresses opened next to the > e-Bay handles. Gruntman9 was J. Gruninger at MSN. Retired67 was E. > Gruninger at MSN. > > I contacted Safe Harbor and turned these bums in. Today I got this > response: > > >Thank you for taking the time to contact us with this information. > > >I have reviewed the information that you have provided and wanted to let > >you know that members gruntman9 and retired 67, which you alerted us to, > >has been suspended. > > >I would like to thank you for your help in keeping eBay a fun and safe > >place to trade. > > >Regards, > > >Krysanne > >eBay SafeHarbor > >Investigations Team > > Another thief out on his ass. > I sure am sorry about those diesels though. > > Two to go, > Chris Zizzo > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-strains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10567	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: MTH coal loader

The latest date on the MTH web site for the coal loaders is now 12/15. I guess they won't make it in time for Christmas. The Lamplighter's date is 4/15/2001. It sure is frustrating waiting for stuff. I've given up on the repro checkerboard tower which is over a year late. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10568	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: link couplers

Here we go again. I personally use WD-40 to loosen up my link couplers when I get a new piece of rolling stock so equipped. The problem is caused by the fact that the primitive mold release agent, which was stearic acid ( basic ally soap) mixed into the plastic before casting, has migrated to the surface, causing the plasticcouplers to shrink around their pins. I have found that applying the WD-40 and then moving the coupler up and down and around and around as fast and hard as possible for a few minutes will 1. lubricate the joint. 2. wash stearic acid and gunk out of the joint 3. cause the plastic to expand or soften enough at the joint that it can be stretched by the manipulation described. This will result in a frree moving coupler. WD-40 is generally referred to on this list as "the dreaded WD-40" (Dewey) because it gunks up after a few years, and because of various other problems with it. I have found it works well in this application though. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10569	From: Stan S.	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: article on d.c. conversion using variac

> A couple of years back I read an article on using a device called > a variac to convert a.c. power to d.c. power. > A variac is a transformer with a directly variable output (such as 120 VAC input with a 0 to 22 VAC output). Normally, this type of control is accomplished by combining a fixed-output transformer with a rheostat. The variac offers superior control, but is more expensive. The variac does not convert AC to DC. This requires some type of rectifier. If you are referring to a modern solid state throttle design, you might be thinking of a circuit that uses a triac, a device which more or less looks like a transistor. Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10570	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832

For TINKO'S REPAIR DEPOT Try HTTP:\\MEMBERS.AOL\FTiMKO\iNDEX.HTML e-mail Frank at FTiMKO@... Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10571	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832

CAN MOTOR I dealt with Timko's This year at York and believe this products are excellent, I purchased a can motor for my flyer and it is excellent with good instructions. A seven pole motor verse the original three pole Flyer motor (compare a 3 cylinder engine against a 7 cylinder engine). you can use a Dallee reverse unit or the original flyer unit. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10572	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832

Link coupler Erik Rasmussen: To loosen link couplers, some times lubrication will help, if not go to your medicine cabinet and get some dental floss and work the area between the pin and both sides of the link, it will remove the dirt and mold so that the lubrication can get to the pin. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10573	From: Jeff	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Pikemaster Alco and others

I vaguely recall from a Flyer history book that Flyer made a pikemaster Santa Fe Alco that either came in a set or were sold seperately. Are these as uncommon I as think? I was wondering Also... Anybody recall the Nickle Plate geeps (powered & dummy) that L-flyer made a few years ago. Anyone have a lead on a pair? Jeff Tangeman

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10574	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: American Flyer Trains For Sale

The December list has been posted. Ho Ho Ho! Mark Click on this: http://www.americanflyertrains.com ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10575	From: Bruce Crosby	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 832

Guys: Try a little Spray of the old Auto Carb Cleaner.........It also works good on E Units!!!! BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Digest Number 832 > > Link coupler > > Erik Rasmussen: > To loosen link couplers, some times lubrication will help, if not go to > your medicine cabinet and get some dental floss and work the area between > the pin and both sides of the link, it will remove the dirt and mold so > that the lubrication can get to the pin. > > Jerry 77-11644 > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10576	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/2/2000
Subject: Re: Pikemaster Alco and others

In a message dated 12/2/00 9:23:51 PM, jt12313@... writes: << I vaguely recall from a Flyer history book that Flyer made a pikemaster Santa Fe Alco that either came in a set or were sold separately. Are these as uncommon I as think? I was wondering >> Jeff, I suspect from your question that you are asking about the 21927, which in 1961-62 came without a coupler fitted on the front truck (The power truck is the rear one in this Alco, which is unusual for Gilbert Alcos.) so that it could negotiate barfmaster curves. It was found in the 20735 "The Chief" set. In 1960 it was fitted with a front knuckle coupler and was found in the 20620 "The Chief" set. The 21927 itself is fairly tough to come by, but not overly so. One with its 5-digit seperate sale box would be a VERY tough find. Hope this helps. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10577	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Smoke unit

Does anyone have a suggestion for replacing the plastic tube in the smoke unit. I have an A.F. steamer which shoots the smoke all over the place because the plastic tube appears to have been broken out. Hope someone out there has some ideas on replacing this tube? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10578	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

From: "Jim Carnes" <jcarnes@...> > FYI - Gruntman9 is back on ebay. >You may remember this discussion from early September. Jim: You are alert (and we need more lerts :-) ). I've looked over all his auctions and I see nothing amiss. They are all new auctions so they don't have too many bids yet. As they progres, look for one name that dominates almost all the sales, one that keeps getting into bidding wars and then fading once the price is up. Also, notice that he is selling Star Wars toys. Check those for the same bidder names as in the Flyer auctions. It is possible, but unlikely, that the same guy who is very competitive about Flyer bids will be doing the same thing with Star Wars items. If this starts happening, it is almost a sure sign of shilling. One disadvantage we now have is that we are no longer equipped with the tools we used to catch this guy. E-Bay now protects user e-mail addresses from all but the seller's eyes. It was the e-mail that gave this guy up as his own best bidder. His address was JGruninger@... . Retired67, the bidder alias, was EGruninger@... . This protection is kind of stupid, really. I have had guys write me and offer identical copies of items I lost at bid, for less money and with great satisfaction. E-Bay doesn't want you making private deals, so they've hidden the e-mail addresses. If you want your e-mail address to show on e-Bay, change your user name to your actual address. It won't be "clickable", but it will be there. Keep your eyes open, Crimestoppers! Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10579	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

Mike, First, get a replacement plastic smoke stack. ACG Part No.12A190. Second take an Xacto knife with a No. 11 blade and fit that down into the broken portion of the plastic smoke stack , turn counter clock-wise to remove broken piece, replace with the new plastic smoke stack. Remember a basic fire department axiom, "lefty loosey - righty tighty". Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10580	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

Mike, This is a common problem, usually caused by attempted removal of the boiler shell without removing the tube first! Sometimes you can fix it without removing the boiler by inserting a small flat screwdriver in the tube that is just a little bigger than the tube hole, and then unscrewing the remains. Helps if the screwdriver is really sharp. in a "worse case" scenerio you can remove the boiler shell, and then, again using a small, sharp screwdriver, and working around the edges of the opening break the reamins towards the center. Usually it will come out in about three pieces. A dental pick can remove any small bits left in the top cover threads. Be gentle with it, the threads are only in a piece of micarda that isn't very strong! Turn the unit over and shake, or puff, out the remaining small bits. Don't forget, when doing service work on locos, the smoke tube is first thing to remove, and last thing to replace! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10581	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

Ebay now hides seller's ID's?? Hmm, just last night I offered a high bidder on a non-boxed "I love NY" boxcar the box (something I've had from an old purchase, no car, just the box--never did figure out how I got it!). While it's true the buyer's email wasn't listed, Ijust clicked on the ID and it took me to a "confirm you are a registered eBay member" page, pluged in myID and code, and it gave me his email. Now if he posts me back, I'll have to figure out which box I've stashed it in! I'm still looking for some switch controllers I"ve promised(but I've narrowed it down to one shelf!)! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10582	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 3, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10583	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

David Dewey writes: > Ebay now hides seller's ID's?? I just clicked on the ID and it > took me to a "confirm you are a registered eBay member" page, plugged in my ID > and code, and it gave me his email. David: Just after posting that, I found I was able to view e-mail addresses of buyers on some auctions. However, on other auctions I was prevented and was taken to a page which told me that only the seller can see the e-mail addresses of buyers. Go figure. CZ

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10584	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: smoke unit

I like to remove the remains of a shattered smoke tube with a #11 xacto knife while holding the chassis upside down so the pieces fall out, removing the boiler first of course. Should the threads in the smoke unit top get damaged during the process, you can easily recut them with a 6-32 tap or even a 6-32 machine screw. These have the same threads as the smoke tube. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10585	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: Re: Heads Up Guys

Chris, I remember now that you can request some auctions to have "privacy." Maybe that's what you ran into? I'd have to go to the site and wander around to find the info, and I'm just too lazy to do it right now! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10586	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/3/2000
Subject: I missed Chat tonite

Hi All, Well, I wuz busy going to museum parties and openings, and didn't get back home until everyone else was off chat. Doesn't seem like Sunday without chat! So without Rick or I to 'stir up the pot' or do "Stooges" routines, was there any excitement? Miss you all! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10587	From: colin_olsen@hotmail.com	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Manoil Coupe for AF715 Unloading Car

Does anyone know the story behind the Manoil car, why the name, style, etc.? Does anyone have an extra for sale or know where I can get a reproduction? Thanks, Colin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10588	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: smoke unit

> Should the threads in the smoke unit top get damaged during the process, > you can easily recut them with a 6-32 tap or even a 6-32 machine screw. > These have the same threads as the smoke tube. > > Tom Jarcho > In some locos the thread where the tube screws in is very coarse as in loco 290 for instance. My father made a replacement tube from brass. The threads were unusual and had to be cut in using a lathe. Maybe I had a mongrel ? Anyway threads may vary from one to another. Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10589	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Stuck stack

Also good to remove the stub in the plate is a small EZ-out. You know those funny reverse threaded gizmo's that come in all sizes. Usually you use them to remove bolts which have lost their heads by drilling a hole into the shank of the bolt, then screw the ez-out into the hole cntrclockwise. Its reverse threading actually drives the "out" in, and backs the bolt out. Sears sells sets ranging in size. There's one that makes easy work of a stack stub that's stuck. Good luck. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10590	From: michael marmer	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Jonathan Yardley Returns!!

Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you all know quickly that Mr. Yardley has another article in todays Washington Post in the Style section. If you click www.washingtonpost.com, it will be in today's current edition. After today it will be in the archeives for to weeks. I was working on the computer when my wife told me about it. (The trains that I have are halve hers also, she would never go on that shopping trip to Reading, she enjoys York and other shows as much as I and probably knows more about the A.C. Gilbert company that most! Pretty neat! We collect trains together) Anyway, didn't mean to get side tracked (sorry about that line, I haven't read it but she said he got bombarded with emails about A.C. Gilbert and American Flyer! I hope you all enjoy the article, I guess American Flyer does live on with many non train people. I hope we can convince Mr. Yardley and others to join our group. Michael Marmer Germantown, Maryland

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10591	From: Alex Mendelsohn	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Variacs--Don't make an ash of yourself

Be careful Stan! If you're going to use a Variac or Powerstat (both are trade names for variable autotransformers) be sure to use them to "drive" a standard transformer, regardless of whether it's fixed or variable. Standard transformers are wound with primary and secondary windings, which provides isolation from the ac power mains. In contrast, an autotransformer has one side connected to the ac line--which means that one side of your toy train empire can be at one side of the ac line potential. Woe unto you if you accidentally come in contact with that side of the ac line and inadvertently touch the other side of the line or ground (if the autotransformer was plugged in "reverse" in the ac socket on the wall outlet). Zap! Do NOT use a Variac or Powerstat without also using a separate transformer. You *can* safely feed the primary of a toy train transformer, for example, from the output of a Variac. Better still, get ahold of a well-made commercially made isolated autotransformer assembly. I use a B&K Precision/Dynascan http://www.bkprecision.com/link2_4p.html Model 1653 on my workbench--and it'll work fine on the layout too. It provides 0 to 140 volts ac at up to 2 amperes. It's also metered so that you can see the voltage setting as well as how much current you're feeding to your layout or whatever you're powering with it. I occasionally use it to run an electric drill at various speeds or a soldering iron at different temperatures, for example. It includes a front-panel-mounted ac outlet, and it's fused. I have a homemade equivalent that I use to power a 117-v Motorola R-390A military shortwave receiver. The old set "likes" to be powered-up slowly so that its vacuum tube (remember those?) filaments are treated gently. The autotransformer does the trick very nicely--but the set's internal ac transformer provides the all-important isolation from the ac line. I'd be happy to send anyone on this list a schematic diagram showing how to hook up an autotransformer to a conventional transformer. I can fax or send a scanned file of my hand drawing. The usual disclaimer: I refuse to be responsible for anything you do with the information. CAUTION folks. Don't make an ash of yourself. Good luck. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine -----Original Message----- From: Stan S. [mailto:sscale@...] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:33 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] article on d.c. conversion using variac > A couple of years back I read an article on using a device called > a variac to convert a.c. power to d.c. power. > A variac is a transformer with a directly variable output (such as 120 VAC input with a 0 to 22 VAC output). Normally, this type of control is accomplished by combining a fixed-output transformer with a rheostat. The variac offers superior control, but is more expensive. The variac does not convert AC to DC. This requires some type of rectifier. If you are referring to a modern solid state throttle design, you might be thinking of a circuit that uses a triac, a device which more or less looks like a transistor. Stan Stokrocki S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10592	From: Peck	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: Timko

Jerry-- <<I dealt with Timko's This year at York and believe this products are excellent, I purchased a can motor for my flyer and it is excellent with good instructions. A seven pole motor verse the original three pole Flyer motor (compare a 3 cylinder engine against a 7 cylinder engine). you can use a Dallee reverse unit or the original flyer unit. >> I was under the impression these were DC motors.................are they AC??????? DC would require no reverse unit. ??????? Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10593	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/4/2000
Subject: Re: Manoil Coupe for AF715 Unloading Car

Colin: There was a 2 page article in one of the Heralds by Lee McCarty that gave a bit of history on Manoil. I'll have to find the issue No. for reference. I only have a xerox of it with me right now. Jack and Maurice Manoil started the company in 1928, hence the name. No real info as to the tie in with Gilbert. Manoil made many toy soldiers, farm figures, boats and planes as well as cars. One note was that the planes and boats normally resembled some particular prototype but the cars were more stylized, not resembling a particular car. They were in business until one of the Brothers died in 1955, although they did not do well after WW2. Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: colin_olsen@... [mailto:colin_olsen@...] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:48 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Manoil Coupe for AF715 Unloading Car Does anyone know the story behind the Manoil car, why the name, style, etc.? Does anyone have an extra for sale or know where I can get a reproduction? Thanks, Colin S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10594	From: Scott Brown	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Timko

Doug, here is the reply I got from Frank Timko. Scott- Thanks for the inquiry. The AF replacement motors come complete with gear, motor mount, motor, flywheel, and mount screws. The motor is the same one used in current production Williams, MTH, Weaver engines. Performance is good with a 5 pole motor, low current draw and flywheel action. The motor fits most all Flyer engines. On the smaller Atlantics weights may need to be added to the front end to counter the flywheel. Also some need to have the rear cross bar lowered to clear the flywheel, this can be done with a few small washers. Also in the works is a replacement cross bar for engines like the #293, instead of washers. The motors cost $27.95 ea. plus $3.50 ship or 4 for $100.00 plus $6.00 ship We also carry reverse units that fit in the tender $37.50 ea or rectifiers to place after the original reverse unit for $3.00 ea. They run $27.95 ea. plus $3.50 ship or 4 for $100.00 We take Visa, MC, Disv, check, mo Let me know if I can help you out Thanks, Frank Timko Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10595	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: JONATHAN YARDLEY 12/4 ARTICLE

This one was a little harder to locate but here is the website. Great article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20483-2000Dec4.html Glenn

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10596	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Manoil cars.

About 20 years ago I attended a train meet at Hamburg, PA and met a vendor who was selling reproduced Manoil cars for the American Flyer auto unloader cars. At the time he was getting about $5. each for them, and I bought two. Careful examination of the cars revealed no major differences between the reproduced product and the AC Gilbert issued original. Unfortunately 20 years have gone by, and the memory of the vendor went along. Perhaps someone else on the list might be able to help on this. Of course they might not even be available. :-( Speaking of Manoil I have two samples of their postwar production that I picked up at a train meet in Hamburg in the late 1980s. They are both models of postwar Lincoln Continental convertibles and are relatively faithful until you look at the grills. They are probably close to 1:72, but (because I am also a Lincoln Continental nut) I do use them with my trains. "S"atisfaction W. Thomas Boussum "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must start off by creating a universe." Carl Sagan "Cosmos" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10597	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Re: Timko

--- Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> wrote: > Doug, here is the reply I got from Frank Timko. > We also carry reverse units that fit in the tender $37.50 ea or > rectifiers to place after the original reverse unit... The rectifier needs to be placed before the reverse unit, not after. The DC output of the rectifier should go into the reverse unit so that the reverse unit switches the plus and minus feeds going into the motor. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10598	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: I Love Toy Train Cars

I sent an e-mail to TM books about making there toy train series cars in s. Here is his reply,and would anyone else be interested in this for our s-gauge? Chris - Thanks for the suggestion. Sorry, we just wouldn't sell enough S gauge to make it viable. We do have a new AF guide. Best ever published. And we are working on a new AF video so we haven't forgotten about you guys. Best, Chuck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10599	From: Mellon, Jay E.	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: S Visibility in MRN

'S'ers: I just got my new issue (Dec. 2000) of Model Railroad News yesterday. It was really good to see a real S presence in a publication aimed at the general hobby community, not just S folk. With Roy Hoffmann's column (S Curves) focused on available S sets (just in time for holiday shopping), the rave review of the S Helper starter set in the holiday set section, and the AM ad for the new Budd passenger cars, things are looking up! Keep up the fight. Jay Mellon New Orleans, LA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10600	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: RDC-BUDD & Lionel

Has anyone purchased the Pennsylvania's Heritage Models RDC-BUDD? If so, how is its performance? I was looking at one at the Greenberg Show (Timonium MD) on Sunday, it was on static display only and I wasn't able to see it in operation.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10601	From: Robin Thompson	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file

Our 2001 catalog is now on line and can be downloaded. It is 4 megs, so it may take a little bit of time. Please forgive us for the delay in getting this thing out. We expect to see some air shipped in to us about the 15th. Don http://www.showcaseline.com/ordercatalog.html -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10602	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/5/2000
Subject: New S-Video

All sold out folks. What I thought would be a handful of copies of my own video turned into a full scale production and all 100 copies are sold. First shipment will go out on Monday. I will wait until Jan. 1 and then reoffer any ones that turn out to be no shows. I didn't require any production money up front so I don't know if all the people that ordered via e-mail will actually send in their $$. Thanks for all your S-upport. "S" folks are the best of the best. Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10603	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835

715 Manoil coupe unloading car. I purchased 2 of these cars new with train sets in 1949 & 50, I believe that the original cars are coupes only and not the roadster, and only in a color combination trimmed with silver, blue/silver , red/silver, etc, similarly, the Renwall gas truck with silver trim (grill & lettering) is the correct load. Can anyone add to this? Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10604	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835

Timko's Motors Doug Peck: Yes you are right, the motors are DC, if you run on DC it runs direct (reverse polarity to reverse the motor). Running on AC requires a Dallee DC-RU reverse unit or a full wave rectifier with a lionel e-unit to reverse the motor. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10605	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 835

There is also the blue Tootsietoy midget race car. The correct manoil car is the coupe which is model no. 707, although the convertible no. 708 also works. Scale-wise these cars are as big as houses, although not as big as the giant cow on the track! --- Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> wrote: > > 715 Manoil coupe unloading car. > > I purchased 2 of these cars new with train sets in 1949 & 50, I > believe > that the original cars > are coupes only and not the roadster, and only in a color > combination > trimmed with silver, blue/silver , > red/silver, etc, similarly, the Renwall gas truck with silver trim > (grill & lettering) is the correct load. > Can anyone add to this? > > Jerry 77-11644 > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10606	From: JOHN EICHMANN	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Thanks, Michael

Re: Jonathan Yardley's stories We owe a big THANK YOU to Michael Marmer of Germantown, MD, for alerting us to Mr. Yardley's columns in The Washington Post. The second column was absolutely delightful! The exposure he gave to S gauging as a result of our e-mail messages is advertising that you cannot buy, and should give our recruiting efforts a boost. Thanks for the heads-up, Michael, and a hearty "well done" to all my fellow denizens of Mr. Yardley's "sub-universe." YourS, John Eichmann RMHR Boise

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10607	From: Ted Larson	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: VW Bus

I took my son shopping to the Mall, to the Zany Brainy (used to be Noodle Kadoodle) toy store. I found there a die-cast original style VW micro-bus sized very close to S scale, perhaps very slightly undersize. It looks fine though next to some of the VW cars that I've found. The VW bus has a hole in it and is attached to a key ring. It is available in several colors. ===== Ted Larson __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10608	From: Robert Werre	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file

Keith Thompson wrote: > A steamer Don? > > Okay, I just looked at the back cover of the 2001 catalog (Kudos for another great one) and there's a steam locomotive poking around behind the cement plant. If precedence counts for anything, Don usually gives us a glimpse at what the next big project will be with a clue on the back cover of the catalog. So..., will it be a steamer and what wheel arrangement will it have? That boiler looks like > t'd be at home on either a USRA light Mike or Pacific. Keith: When I get down to shooting SHS's catalog I get some basic directions , from Don, then carry on with my own ideas--well, I sometimes get carried away--but then again maybe I just followed directions! Only time will tell! In regards to cement mixers, you may recall the SP shoring up the San Jacinto bridge after some floods --maybe 3-4 years ago--they mounted a cement mixer on a flat and pushed it over the damaged/ eroded areas and dumped the cement overboard. It hardened and shored up that old main line bridge. So cement trucks would make a great load for the SHS flats! Bob Werre

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10609	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: RDC Budd

I purchased one - AC/High-Rail. I just received it a few days ago and have only run it a little. It runs smoothly, reverses nicely. The lights are connected to the reverse so Headlight is on in the direction of travel and red lights are on the rear. The couplers are connected to a separate piece which is also the steps which then attaches to the bottom at each end. These were somewhat bent (hanging down) when it arrived. I removed them and easily straightened in a vise. My only concern here is that the metal was very easy to bend - what does this mean about long term durability? > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 02:47:45 -0000 > From: loubaldi@... > Subject: RDC-BUDD & Lionel > > Has anyone purchased the Pennsylvania's Heritage Models RDC-BUDD? If > so, how is its performance? I was looking at one at the Greenberg > Show (Timonium MD) on Sunday, it was on static display only and I > wasn't able to see it in operation. > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10610	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: Re: Variacs--Don't make an ash of yourself

I was given a Variac back in the 1960s, it is still serviceable. I have it, then an AF 19B, then the switch panel. 270 degrees of dial rotation on the Variac versus 90 degrees max on an ordinary power pack make more than 3 times the smoothness of control possible. DJE Alex Mendelsohn wrote: > Be careful Stan! > > If you're going to use a Variac or Powerstat (both are trade names for > variable autotransformers) be sure to use them to "drive" a standard > transformer, regardless of whether it's fixed or variable. Standard > transformers are wound with primary and secondary windings, which provides > isolation from the ac power mains. > > In contrast, an autotransformer has one side connected to the ac line--which > means that one side of your toy train empire can be at one side of the ac > line potential. Woe unto you if you accidentally come in contact with that > side of the ac line and inadvertently touch the other side of the line or > ground (if the autotransformer was plugged in "reverse" in the ac socket on > the wall outlet). Zap! > > Do NOT use a Variac or Powerstat without also using a separate transformer. > You *can* safely feed the primary of a toy train transformer, for example, > from the output of a Variac. > > Better still, get ahold of a well-made commercially made isolated > autotransformer assembly. I use a B&K Precision/Dynascan > http://www.bkprecision.com/link2_4p.html Model 1653 on my workbench--and > it'll work fine on the layout too. It provides 0 to 140 volts ac at up to 2 > amperes. It's also metered so that you can see the voltage setting as well > as how much current you're feeding to your layout or whatever you're > powering with it. I occasionally use it to run an electric drill at various > speeds or a soldering iron at different temperatures, for example. It > includes a front-panel-mounted ac outlet, and it's fused. > > I have a homemade equivalent that I use to power a 117-v Motorola R-390A > military shortwave receiver. The old set "likes" to be powered-up slowly so > that its vacuum tube (remember those?) filaments are treated gently. The > autotransformer does the trick very nicely--but the set's internal ac > transformer provides the all-important isolation from the ac line. > > I'd be happy to send anyone on this list a schematic diagram showing how to > hook up an autotransformer to a conventional transformer. I can fax or send > a scanned file of my hand drawing. The usual disclaimer: I refuse to be > responsible for anything you do with the information. > > CAUTION folks. Don't make an ash of yourself. > > Good luck. -- Alex in Kennebunk, Maine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan S. [mailto:sscale@...] > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:33 PM > To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] article on d.c. conversion using variac > > > A couple of years back I read an article on using a device called > > a variac to convert a.c. power to d.c. power. > > > A variac is a transformer with a directly variable output (such as > 120 VAC input with a 0 to 22 VAC output). Normally, this type of > control is accomplished by combining a fixed-output transformer > with a rheostat. The variac offers superior control, but is more > expensive. > > The variac does not convert AC to DC. This requires some type of > rectifier. If you are referring to a modern solid state throttle design, > you might be thinking of a circuit that uses a triac, a device which > more or less looks like a transistor. > > Stan Stokrocki > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10611	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scales

582 DM&E 100 ton cement covered hopper. (8-96) Painted light grey. Set will letter 1 car. Blue, red & black graphics. Walthers kit. 583 General Electric Rail Services Corp. KRIX 3 bay covered hopper (5-96) Painted light grey. Set will letter 1 car. Blue, red & black grahics. Accurail kit. 584 Southern 2 bay ACF center flow covered hopper. (4-71) Painted light grey. Set will letter 1 car. SOU green graphics. Intermountain kit. 585 DM&E 3 bay covered hopper. (6-96) Painted med yellow, almost like UP yellow. Set will letter 1 car. Blue, white & black graphics. Accurail kit. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10612	From: Wayne Zebron	Date: 12/6/2000
Subject: replacement motors

All the posts about replament motors of steam has reminded me that I would sure like to find a replacement motor for my CNW 355 baldwin. Any help out there short of buying a new one. Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10613	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: RDC Budd

Bob, We use pewter for all our soft metal castings. It is the finest jewelry grade available. The logic here is to enable straigthening after a derailment or impact, without the fear of breaking. The castings are painted with scalecoat paint so "touch ups" after the straighening process will blend with the existing paint. The durability of pewter speaks for itself. There are artifacts from the middle ages still in pretty good shape so I think we are safe here. The steps are an area which historically takes a beating. - Example - Th A.F. caboose steps, so we wanted to provide longevity here. The "drouping steps" can actually be straightened by hand after removal from the car. We "overbend them slightly and then the mounting screws will assure a tight fit to the car body when reinstalled. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimball, Bob (PB)" <bob.kimball3@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: [S-Trains] RDC Budd > I purchased one - AC/High-Rail. I just received it a few days ago and have > only run it a little. It runs smoothly, reverses nicely. The lights are > connected to the reverse so Headlight is on in the direction of travel and > red lights are on the rear. The couplers are connected to a separate piece > which is also the steps which then attaches to the bottom at each end. > These were somewhat bent (hanging down) when it arrived. I removed them > and easily straightened in a vise. My only concern here is that the metal > was very easy to bend - what does this mean about long term durability? > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 02:47:45 -0000 > > From: loubaldi@... > > Subject: RDC-BUDD & Lionel > > > > Has anyone purchased the Pennsylvania's Heritage Models RDC-BUDD? If > > so, how is its performance? I was looking at one at the Greenberg > > Show (Timonium MD) on Sunday, it was on static display only and I > > wasn't able to see it in operation. > > > > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10614	From: John	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: #283 Locomotive shell Help'

Hi all <John De Here> I recently purchased a #283 Loco from a e-Bay seller who is a nice guy he did his job ok and sent the loco and tender to me But when I recieved the Train I noticed the Parcel had been Flattened The train was totally in pieces re the Plastic shell only of the loco I have managed to salvage the Tender and Repaired the Wheel sets which were also Broken The Motor and Chassis survived the crash ok my problem is the Screw Mounts inside the Engine shell are totally broken all the screw mounts are Broken!I have the screws ok! but the mounts will not hold the screws which in turn holds my innards to the shell. if any onehas some thought on HowTo repair the mounts or has a 283 Shell looking for a good home please please contact me? so I can get her up running again. naturally ill pay for the shell with aInternational Money Order in U.S. funds Thanks for the Listen John Denholm <jde@...>

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10615	From: Thor	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Track Question

I'm in the process of re-doing my favorites layouts for other scales, including S. They will be posted online (there's going to be about 40 of them). I need to know: what track type is mosty popular at this time? My system allows me to do Flyer, American Models and Gargraves sectional track types. Which one, or ones, are preferred? Also, what's the basic curve used these days? Once I start getting them converted over, I'll post them on the website. BTW - if any of you ever were ever dragged along for Yule shopping as a kid, two new articles in my humor section might amuse you. The one about the B&O and the other about the Hudson Tubes are humorous retellings of Yule shopping many years ago....ought to be good for some laughs. Happy Railroading Thor from All Gauge (http://thortrains.hypermart.net)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10616	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: (no subject)

- Greeting`S' - There have been good questions and commentaries over the past week regarding the use of variable autotransformers (known as Variac, Powerstat, etc.). Here is a note on good usage. Comments are welcome. Variac and other brands usually come from the factory connected to deliver from a 120 VAC line an output asdjustable from o VAC to 10% above line or about 132 VAC. The connection is as follows. ) ) A o---------------) ) ) ) line )<----------------o C input ) \ ) \ variable ) adjustable output ) B o_______________)_________________o B There are three terminals on the more common devices, A for input only, B shared between input and out, and C for the variable output. If the Variac is plugged in the line with B connected to neutral (common), then B is near ground potential, both input and output. Reversing the line plug will put B on the hot line, both input and output. Reason number one to not use only a Variac to power train or accessories is this, touching train or accessories could be very unpleasant, even cause grief amongst your survivors and glee amongst those picking over the spoils. Reason number two is that it is much too easy to twirl the knob to above 15 V and let much smoke out of what had been a fine-running locomotive or coal loader. Reason number three is that the Variac may have a 2, 4, or 5 A rating which is the rating for slider and wire diameter. Not much current transformation is available in the 0 to 15 V segment of the unit. Consider adding a transformer to the output as DJE did using an AF 19B. The circuit now looks like this. ) < do not use portion ) < above 120 V A o---------------) ) 120:20 V ) two-winding transformer ) C line )<---------------o--------) input ) \ ) ) \ variable ) ) adjustable output )(-----------o ) )( track B o_______________)_________________o_______)(___________o B ^ Note: no conductive connection between input and output The two-winding transformer including all the popular AF models provides electrical isolation between the line power and the electrical power for the track, reducing markedly the chance to cook your goose. The input can be varied from 0 to 120 V with track voltage going from 0 to 20 V (the max for the transformer secondary). Two caveats: 1) do not run the Variac over 120 V and risk smoking a lovely transformer; 2) do not run the accessories from this transformer as they will not get the correct voltage when Variac is set at other than 120 V. Finally, the two-winding transformers offers stepped-up current capability in the same ratio as it offers stepped-down voltage. [In the 120:20 or 6:1 example, a current drain of 6 A at the track is passed back to the Variac as a 1/6 ratio or 1 A drain.] Hopefully I have not made too much ado about nothing, although electrical burn marks on one's fingers are not to be regarded as nothing. As previously noted, transformers deal only with AC. No DC is available anywhere in these diagrams. And, thank you, Nicolai Tesla, for the transformer. Cheer`S' Rhett George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10617	From: Hansen, Bruce x1383	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 836

Please change my email address from " hansenbw@... " to my home email which is " sp5641@... ". I will be at home for an extended period and would like to be able to keep up with the discussions. Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: S-Trains@egroups.com [SMTP:S-Trains@egroups.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:30 AM > To: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 836 > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 9 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re:Timko > From: "Scott Brown" <sbrown56@...> > 2. JONATHAN YARDLEY 12/4 ARTICLE > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > 3. Manoil cars. > From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <euler@...> > 4. Re: Re:Timko > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > 5. I Love Toy Train Cars > From: cbtrainnut@... > 6. S Visibility in MRN > From: "Mellon, Jay E." <jmellon@...> > 7. RDC-BUDD & Lionel > From: loubaldi@... > 8. Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > 9. New S-Video > From: boss31@... > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:34:08 -0500 > From: "Scott Brown" <sbrown56@...> > Subject: Re:Timko > > Doug, here is the reply I got from Frank Timko. > > Scott- > Thanks for the inquiry. > The AF replacement motors come complete with gear, motor mount, motor, > flywheel, and mount screws. > The motor is the same one used in current production Williams, MTH, Weaver > engines. > Performance is good with a 5 pole motor, low current draw and flywheel > action. > The motor fits most all Flyer engines. On the smaller Atlantics weights > may > need to be added to the front end to counter the flywheel. Also some need > to > have the rear cross bar lowered to clear the flywheel, this can be done > with > a few small washers. Also in the works is a replacement cross bar for > engines > like the #293, instead of washers. > The motors cost $27.95 ea. plus $3.50 ship or 4 for $100.00 plus $6.00 > ship > We also carry reverse units that fit in the tender $37.50 ea or rectifiers > to > place after the original reverse unit for $3.00 ea. > They run $27.95 ea. plus $3.50 ship or 4 for $100.00 > We take Visa, MC, Disv, check, mo > Let me know if I can help you out > Thanks, > Frank Timko > > > Scott Brown > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers > Washington & Old Dominion Division > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:27:54 -0500 > From: Glenn Ritter <gartrain@...> > Subject: JONATHAN YARDLEY 12/4 ARTICLE > > This one was a little harder to locate but here > is the website. Great article. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A20483-2000Dec4.html > > Glenn > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 09:16:22 -0500 > From: "W. Thomas Boussum" <euler@...> > Subject: Manoil cars. > > About 20 years ago I attended a train meet at Hamburg, PA and > met a vendor who was selling reproduced Manoil cars for the American > Flyer auto unloader cars. At the time he was getting about $5. each for > them, and I bought two. Careful examination of the cars revealed no > major differences between the reproduced product and the AC Gilbert > issued original. Unfortunately 20 years have gone by, and the memory of > the vendor went along. Perhaps someone else on the list might be able > to help on this. Of course they might not even be available. :-( > Speaking of Manoil I have two samples of their postwar > production that I picked up at a train meet in Hamburg in the late > 1980s. They are both models of postwar Lincoln Continental convertibles > and are relatively faithful until you look at the grills. They are > probably close to 1:72, but (because I am also a Lincoln Continental > nut) I do use them with my trains. > > "S"atisfaction > W. > Thomas Boussum > > "If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch you must start off by > creating a universe." Carl Sagan "Cosmos" > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 06:32:55 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Holm <imsscott@...> > Subject: Re: Re:Timko > > --- Scott Brown <sbrown56@...> wrote: > > Doug, here is the reply I got from Frank Timko. > > We also carry reverse units that fit in the tender $37.50 ea or > > rectifiers to place after the original reverse unit... > > The rectifier needs to be placed before the reverse unit, not after. > The DC output of the rectifier should go into the reverse unit so that > the reverse unit switches the plus and minus feeds going into the motor. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:01:42 EST > From: cbtrainnut@... > Subject: I Love Toy Train Cars > > I sent an e-mail to TM books about making there toy train series cars in > s. > Here is his reply,and would anyone else be interested in this for our > s-gauge? > > > > Chris - Thanks for the suggestion. Sorry, we just wouldn't sell enough S > gauge to make it viable. We do have a new AF guide. Best ever published. > And > we are working on a new AF video so we haven't forgotten about you guys. > Best, Chuck. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:29:23 -0600 > From: "Mellon, Jay E." <jmellon@...> > Subject: S Visibility in MRN > > 'S'ers: > > I just got my new issue (Dec. 2000) of Model Railroad News yesterday. It > was really good to see a real S presence in a publication aimed at the > general hobby community, not just S folk. With Roy Hoffmann's column (S > Curves) focused on available S sets (just in time for holiday shopping), > the > rave review of the S Helper starter set in the holiday set section, and > the > AM ad for the new Budd passenger cars, things are looking up! Keep up the > fight. > > Jay Mellon > New Orleans, LA > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 02:47:45 -0000 > From: loubaldi@... > Subject: RDC-BUDD & Lionel > > Has anyone purchased the Pennsylvania's Heritage Models RDC-BUDD? If > so, how is its performance? I was looking at one at the Greenberg > Show (Timonium MD) on Sunday, it was on static display only and I > wasn't able to see it in operation. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:03:54 -0500 > From: Robin Thompson <robin@...> > Subject: Re: SHS 2001 catalog .pdf file > > Our 2001 catalog is now on line and can be downloaded. It is 4 > megs, so it may take a little bit of time. Please forgive us for the > delay in getting this thing out. We expect to see some air shipped in > to us about the 15th. > Don > > http://www.showcaseline.com/ordercatalog.html > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 01:42:14 EST > From: boss31@... > Subject: New S-Video > > All sold out folks. What I thought would be a handful of copies of my own > video turned into a full scale production and all 100 copies are sold. > First shipment will go out on Monday. > > I will wait until Jan. 1 and then reoffer any ones that turn out to be no > shows. > > I didn't require any production money up front so I don't know if all the > people that ordered via e-mail will actually send in their $$. > > Thanks for all your S-upport. "S" folks are the best of the best. > > Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR > Boise, Idaho > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10618	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Another B.T.S. Kit Ready!

Howdy Friends Sorry to be sending out another note so soon, but we have lots of things going on down here besides laser cutting little holes in some ballets! Next part of the New River Yard series, the Freight House, will start shipping in about a week. The new photos will be on the web site shortly... still applying weathering to the sample model before shooting the photos. http://www.btsrr.com/bts7500.htm #07500 Freight House, S Scale $119.95 #07501 MOW Shed, S Scale $ 34.95 ---------------------------------------------------- Cabin Creek Coal Tipple is progressing well. Most of the model is sitting on my desk, and production will start before the end of the month. Only two Silver Editions are left to order! #08105-L Cabin Creek Coal Tipple, S Scale $379.95 #08105-SE Cabin Creek Coal Tipple, S, Silver Edition (Sound) $579.95 For photos and more information, http://www.master-creations.com/coalmast.htm --------------------------------------------------- Will be wrapping up the E.B.T. Saltillo Station over the next week or so. Watch for photos of the model on the web page! --------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the postive response on our list of imports we posted last week. As soon as we receive pricing info, we will get the new web pages online. Happy Holidays! Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10619	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Lehigh Valley Models

I received my copy of the NMRA Mid-East Regions magazine "The Local" today. There is a regular column called "Made in the MER" which features model railroad manufacturers located within the region. It's written by Edwin C. Cuser. I was delighted to see that the featured manufacturer this month was Lehigh Valley Models. It gave a nice history of Frank Titman's company as well as good bio information on Frank himself. It even mentioned Frank's "allergy to diesels". Congratulations to Frank and Lehigh Valley Models. I was trying to help someone who requested a copy of that "LOCAL" article when I found the article itself at the MER website. It's at: http://home.cox.rr.com/hydesystems/MER/LEHIGH-VALLEY-MADE-MER.html Enjoy! Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10620	From: donabrams	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Manoil 707 Coupes

All, Wasn't happy to hear about reproductions being made of these. Sounds like it was long ago and only a few made? Maybe they were restored only? Many times these are found with only a small percentage of their original paint -- sometime close to zero! More than any other 715 flatcar load, I've taken a special liking to the 707's. I've got some doubles so whoever left the original message can contact me if they wish. Here's what I've come up with so far. The first four are known (by me) to be original load colors. 1) Solid Red 2) Solid Blue (medium-ish blue, maybe a touch of gray in it) 3) Red with ST 4) Blue with ST (much darker shade of blue that no. 2) 5) Solid Green 6) Green with ST (same green as no. 5) 7) Solid Orange 8) Yellow with SB 9) Yellow with ST 10) Red with SB SB=Silver bumpers and grille ST=Silver top and hood (but not bumpers and grille) The yellow and orange cars have noticeably weak paint jobs -- coverage of the silver/gray casting wasn't as good as the red, blue, or green. The masking of the silver, both SB and ST, is very poor. Sometimes there's a lot of overspray or weak coverage. Still looking for more variations, Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10621	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Subscribe

I'm back from vacation Please put me back on list Thank You, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10622	From: al paolozzi	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Re: Track Question

Good timing Thor. I am going to build a layout and originally it was going to be 9 x 5. It seems that I might add a leg to a L shape, with a 4 x4 leg added on. You know how it is, you always want more space. I will be using original flyer track with rubber roadbed. I also have some wide radius that I would like to incorporate into the layout to run my Northerns. The curved track has a diameter of 38 1/4 inches measured to the center of the track. Twelve sections make a full circle. The wide radius is 53 1/2 inches diameter to the center of the track. Twelve sections to a circle. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor " <allgauge@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Track Question > I'm in the process of re-doing my favorites layouts for other scales, > including S. They will be posted online (there's going to be about > 40 of them). I need to know: what track type is mosty popular at > this time? My system allows me to do Flyer, American Models and > Gargraves sectional track types. Which one, or ones, are preferred? > Also, what's the basic curve used these days? > > Once I start getting them converted over, I'll post them on the > website. > > BTW - if any of you ever were ever dragged along for Yule shopping as > a kid, two new articles in my humor section might amuse you. The one > about the B&O and the other about the Hudson Tubes are humorous > retellings of Yule shopping many years ago....ought to be good for > some laughs. > > > Happy Railroading > Thor from All Gauge (http://thortrains.hypermart.net) > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10623	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: Penn.Heritage RDC

I was asked to forward this the the S-trains list from a friend of mine from the Miami Valley S-Gaugers. Bob Guckian has just joined the list and hasn't quite had time to learn the in's and out's of sending messages to the list yet. So here it is; Hi Chris,hope things are better for you and family,wish you could make it Fri. night.On the "s" trains mail or chat some one asked about Penn. Heritage RDC car.Penn Heritage was at the GATS show in Cinn.,we ran one of there RDC's off and on for the entire day Sun.Worked and looked great!!!! I have never sent any mail to "S" chat room or what ever it is and don't have time weight now for Deb to show mw how.Would you please relay message about RDC and give MVSG a good plug .WE had some pictures taken Sun and hope to get some on line.Think Tom H is working on web site.Good luck.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10624	From: Thor	Date: 12/7/2000
Subject: A Dozen S Layouts Posted

Okay, so I am having a good time. I took some layouts I love, and then did them in S track - American Flyer with 19' curves. There are a dozen so far. These are mostly good layouts with lots of action, good for the innovator to tinker with. Let me know how you like `em, because I want to do more. They're posted in the S Gauge section of my website - http://thortrains.hypermart.net I have a lot more I can do. BTW - what's a good source of unpainted 1/64 figures? I'm doing some kitbashing on older O27 cars - the ones that are 1/64 over O. 1/48 figures are too big. The cars will be whimsical, by the way. Happy Railroading! Thor from the All Gauge Page at http://thortrains.hypermart.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10625	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 838

John: You can get a brass tube slightly larger than the mounting post and "sleeve" it. Cut the tube to length, slit the side to accomodate the body connection, and then fill the tube with a dowel. Drill the hole needed for the screw, seal with Zap a Gap super glue and paint black. This takes a little time but it works. BTW - I make the cuts with a Dremel cut-off wheel (while wearing goggles). --- Nick Colleran <colleran@...> >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:32:22 -0000 > From: "John " <jde@...> >Subject: #283 Locomotive shell Help' > >Hi all <John De Here> >I recently purchased a #283 Loco from a e-Bay seller who is a >nice guy he did his job ok and sent the loco and tender to me >But when I recieved the Train I noticed the Parcel had been Flattened >The train was totally in pieces re the Plastic shell only >of the loco >I have managed to salvage the Tender and Repaired the Wheel sets >which were also Broken > >The Motor and Chassis survived the crash ok my problem >is the Screw Mounts inside the Engine shell are totally broken >all the screw mounts are Broken!I have the screws ok! >but the mounts will not hold the screws which in turn holds my innards >to the shell. if any onehas some thought on HowTo repair the mounts or >has a 283 Shell looking for a good home please please contact me? >so I can get her up running again. naturally ill pay for the shell >with aInternational Money Order in U.S. funds Thanks for the Listen >John Denholm <jde@...> > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10626	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10627	From: Ogauge749050467@aol.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Manoil autos

Hi Reference Manoil and other prewar manufactures of soft metal and lead figures and vehicles. About 10 or so years ago I got in the mood to collect the prewar metal solders etc and found original ones too expensive or just junky looking, so I bought a mag dedicated to that hobby and found people who were making and selling repros of those items. They sold just about all that was ever made. Think about it, its easy to make a mold from the original and go to town. So those of you are looking for these items get one of those mags and I'm sure you will find someone who has repros for sale. They even sold bottles of paint in the proper colors and sheen. On my shelf they look great and I think I've just about got repros of all the different items I can remember having. Frank D

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10628	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Thor's S Layouts

Thor wrote: > I took some layouts I love, and then did them in S track - American Flyer with 19' curves. >There are a dozen so far. If you follow his link you will end up on a homepage filled with 0 gauge information and pictures. You will need to pick through 131 page links to find the S pages. Try this specific link instead. It will take you directly to the first of the S pages and you can navigate to the next ones sequentially with the links at the bottom of each page. There is also a link to take you back to the homepage later if you want to see all the other stuff. http://thortrains.hypermart.net/flyrlay1.htm Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10629	From: busy-boy	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Re: #283 Locomotive shell Help'

John Denholm wrote: >I recently purchased a #283 loco from an e-Bay seller. He . . . sent the loco and tender to >me, but when I received the train I noticed the parcel had been flattened. The train was >totally in pieces. >The Motor and Chassis survived the crash OK. My problem is the screw mounts inside the >engine shell are totally broken. John: I disagree. I think that the seller's problem is refunding your purchase price and paying for the two-way shipping as well. Unless you specifically declined paying for insurance, he had a responsibility to send the item insured. Failing that, he, himself becomes the insuror. Your first order of business was to file a claim with the shipper (UPS or USPS or Fed Ex) immediately upon receipt of the broken package. This would put the onus of responsibility immediately and irrevocably on the shipper. Insurance would set the upper limit of your claim. You are thinking about this engine like it's a poor waif looking for a good home. It's a broken piece of merchandise. You paid for an unbroken piece of merchandise. You are getting less than you paid for and accepting further financial burden to correct the ills brought against you. I just don't know what you are thinking here. Clear on the hanger, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10630	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/8/2000
Subject: Thor's S llayouts

In general, Lionel track plans do not translate well to S gauge Flyer use. First, O gauge track has only 8 sections to the circle, compared to Flyer's 12. It is impossible to make a decent yard ladder with Lionel track. it's easy with Flyer. But more than that, having only 8 possible easy angles instead of 12 serves as a conscricting factor in every aspect of layout planning. Second, the greatest differences between Lionel and Flyer are that the Lionel's three rails and non-derailing feature allow all kinds of reverse loop functions, whereas the Flyer switches stop and start trains. Flyer uncouplers go anywhere, whereas Lionel's action tracks can be awkward to fit in. Therefore, if you want maximum fun from a given space, designing a Flyer railroad is much different than designing a Lionel one. Occasionally, an idea can be stolen from a Lionel layout and applied to Flyer, but Lionel track plans do not automatically translate into happy Flyer railroads. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10631	From: Edward Reutling	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: looking

Gents, I'm looking for PA HERITAGE MODELS , they are making S Scale locos etc. Any help is appreciated. acfoscale@... Ed Reutling

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10632	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Re: looking

Try: http://www.pennsysmodels.com/ Edward Reutling wrote: > > Gents, > > I'm looking for PA HERITAGE MODELS , they are making S Scale locos > etc. > > Any help is appreciated. > > acfoscale@... > > Ed Reutling > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10633	From: Tom Young	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Looking

Ed, the link you're looking for.....http://www.paheritagemodels.com/ Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10634	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/9/2000
Subject: Ace Journal Bushings

Now in stock. Ace #4050 journal bushing for American Flyer rolling stock and tenders.These also improve the "rollability of knuckle coupler trucks... (and) ... the consistency of lighting in passenger cars and cabooses." Cost, with instructions, is 15 cents each, or 10 for a dollar plus postage. Sorry, but the Industrial Rail cabeese are now all sold out. They were a steal at $16. If I can get another shipment at a reasonable price, I will let you all know. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10635	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car

Does anyone know where we can get or have an extra one of our 2000 PGE Christmas cars? Please contact Douglas Fiano if you do. Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. Dbc000@... wrote: > To continue a family tradition with our child, I am in desperate need of a > 2000 Christmas car. Please help! > > Sincerely, Douglas Fiano > Dear Douglas, > These sold out quicker than we thought they would, actually, the entire > > reefer project did better than we anticipated.I be we could have sold an > additional 100 cars. Robin has been sending people to our dealers for > about > 6 weeks now and we do not know of even one that might have an extra car. I > > will try on our e-mail groups. > Don Thompson > -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10636	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: PA HERITAGE MODELS

They are at http://www.paheritagemodels.com and have great drive trains as well as the RDC car and PTC trolley. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:33:32 -0800 From: "Edward Reutling" <acfoscale@...> Subject: looking Gents, I'm looking for PA HERITAGE MODELS , they are making S Scale locos etc. Any help is appreciated. acfoscale@... Ed Reutling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10637	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: looking

The last time I looked, it was www.paheritagemodels.com. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Smith" <cesmith@...> To: "Edward Reutling" <acfoscale@...> Cc: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] looking > Try: http://www.pennsysmodels.com/ > > Edward Reutling wrote: > > > > Gents, > > > > I'm looking for PA HERITAGE MODELS , they are making S Scale locos > > etc. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > > > acfoscale@... > > > > Ed Reutling > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10638	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Hospital Train Show

The Virginia Central Division operated at Medical College of Virginia Children's ward yesterday. We had a small layout, 10' X 14' and only operated an hour, but it was great!!!!! We took about 2 hours to set-up, which is a record for us but did not allow us time to set-up all the stuff we normally do. Surprisingly the track ran flawlessly and the electrical almost flawlessly. We alternately ran two trains on both tracks. Track one was either my Lionel/Flyer Silver flash, which I equipped with railsounds, or Jim Schiele's American Models Southern Crescent with the smoke turned-off. (keep that in mind whenever you run in a hospital). Track two was either Mike Myer's Lehigh Valley SW9 with a freight (it broke his heart not to run steam) or Ernie Stinson's SHS C&O set. The latter two ran with my AM sound car. We wanted lots of noise and things to watch. Mike had lots of operating accessories on his modules and I ran my usual horn shed, car washer, talking station, lights etc on mine. We hooked-up a log loader on the module Tommy Agee donated to the club. The children came in at 2pm, some with nurses, some with parents. Many of these kids are terminal. Some were in wheel chairs, some were trailing their IV posts. They were all fascinated. There was one little boy, Carl, (all children's names are changed) who could not wait until we finished setting-up so a nurse brought him in early to watch. He did return later while we were running. There was the little three year old who was supposed to be discharged Saturday morning, but wanted to stay to see the trains. He spent the entire hour we ran sitting on a chair so he could rest his chin on the edge of the layout and watch the trains run. His father and grandfather were there. They explained they had just moved down from Pennsylvania 3 weeks ago when he was diagnosed with something (we never talk about their illness around the children, hospital rules) and had been admitted to the hospital the week before. They had planned on putting-up their N scale layout, but could not because if his illness. There was the little girl, about 9 years old, who the staff had to convince to visit us. She also stayed the entire hour and had to be convinced it was time to return to her room. She became an official engineer when I let her blow the whistle on my small Marx layout and then actually run the train. Speaking of the small Marx layout, there were several children who could not leave their rooms. We brought my 3' X 4' Marx layout, placed it on one of the small, wheeled carts and took it from room, to room, to ICU. On the layout I had a whistling, lighted Marx station, Marx light tower, and several of my wind-up tin carnival rides. We ran my custom Marx Circus train which many of you may have seen in Classic Toy Trains last summer. One teen-aged girl was not interested but her infant sister visiting her was. She couldn't fool me, however, as she told me where to set the layout, where to plug in so she could see it and never took her eyes off. There was the baby boy in ICU who could not sit up in bed so they cranked the bed up enough so he could see. And the staff of ICU who after seeing the small Marx layout made the trip down the hall to see the larger S gauge layout. Finally, there was Luke who had been unconscious until the day before. I visited him in his room where a nurse was sitting with him. He watched but never said a word, even though I talk to the children as we run the trains. Later, after I had returned to the conference room and the little girl was operating the Marx layout, Luke was wheeled-in by his parents. He wanted to see the big layout too. His mother told me that they had just almost lost him but now, his first time out of bed, he wanted to see the trains. Are you crying yet? I am. I have had many wonderful experiences running trains for people. Most recently was running with the Washington and Old Dominion Division at the Soldiers Home in DC. This, however, tops them all. Not to put the scalers down, but let the HO and N scale clubs make the big bucks and run the malls and major shows. This is our calling. The children loved the bubbling water towers, the zap when the log loader lifts a log, Louie running around the shed to drop a barrel in the gondola, an American Flyer PA rumbling by with horn blaring, and American Models choo, chooing (even if without smoke) pulling a set of matched Southern heavyweights. The hospital says if we can return during warm weather they have a large outside deck we can set-up on and turn-on the smoke. We'll be there! Now, on the practical side, Carolinas Division, W&OD Division and future Tidewater Division, the 35" legs worked great. I ran a straw pole of the members present and the consensus was pretty much the same. 35" legs set the rails at about 36" which the children could see better. Anything shorter and we old fogies could not get under the table. Though take note we still need to discuss this more among those present so everyone has their input. Thanks to all who helped at this running: Mike Myers, Jim Schiele, Ernie Stinson, and Tom Riddle. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10639	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: TRADING TRACK TRIPS 670 for 697

I have a surplus of #697 track trips. Does any one want to trade for #670 trips?? According to the new TM book the value is the same. If you are interested, please contact me directly at Kite1@... Happy railroading! Michael

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10640	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Bushings and 'booses

I use the Ace 4050 busings everytime I clean up an old knuckle coupler car. I'm into my second thousand now. (I guess that's 125 cars so far.) They allow long strings of heavier cars like the cast chassis 925 Gulf tank. Some care is required to prevent the side frames from becoming loose during installation. A drop of zap a gap is useful after reassembly. I'm using these in the trucks in the Industrial Rail Chessie caboose Joe sold me. BTW - This car is truly S size since the AF bay window frosted insert fits snuggly side to side. Unfortunately it is not the exact shape to use without modification. Nick Colleran <colleran@...> > >Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:07:21 -0800 (PST) > From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> >Subject: Ace Journal Bushings > >Now in stock. Ace #4050 journal bushing for American >Flyer rolling stock and tenders.These also improve the >"rollability of knuckle coupler trucks... (and) ... >the consistency of lighting in passenger cars and >cabooses." Cost, with instructions, is 15 cents each, >or 10 for a dollar plus postage. > >Sorry, but the Industrial Rail cabeese are now all >sold out. They were a steal at $16. If I can get >another shipment at a reasonable price, I will let you >all know. > >Joe > > >===== >Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 >404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 >Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines >American Models ########################## S-Helper Service > Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions >joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10641	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Trains in the Hospital

Hi again, Alice was calling me to breakfast this morning when I was writing the story about our operation at MCV Hospital. On the way to Church I realized I had forgotten to mention, for those of you who may not have recognized my from line, that the group who ran the train at the Hospital was the Virginia Central Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. Sorry for the omission. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10642	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10643	From: starr007	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Gulf tank car

I need a 925 gulf tank car preferably with plastic base in mint to like new condition with original box if possible. If anyone has one for sale please contact me with price, Thanks, J.R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10644	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: AM

Somebody mentioned that AM has a sale on. I'm getting tired of slapping my hand........ I think I need to buy some more of those grain hoppers. Does anybody know if the any of the central or north-central railroads used these in gray (GN, Soo, M&StL, etc.) ? If so, I'm assuming I could re-letter them. If you are on S-trains, please reply directly to me. Just in case I did not mention this, MAISTO has some close-to-1:64th scale reproductions of early Tonka Toys. The look great on my Christmas tree. In between Christmas duty, I'm sure they'll find a good spot on my layout, even if they are slightly out of scale. One is an early '50's red and green dump truck. The other is a mid-fifties blue Ford pickup. Ted Larson http://spamcop.net/ http://theonion.com/onion3641/serbia_deploys_forces.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10645	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/10/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car

I was in Brasseur Electric Trains store in Saginaw, MI three or four days ago, and they had just gotten in 4 or 5 of these LTI 2000 xmas box cars. Perhaps they will ship? The phone number is 517-793-4753. See their ad in the "Dealer Directory" in the rear of S Gaugian Magazine. Hope this helps!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10646	From: ALLAN V EISENHAUR	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Horn Controller

Hello Fellow "S" Gaugers, Does anyone have a schematic for an electronic diesel horn controller, that will work with the new AF / LTI engines. Thanks & Happy Holidays to all. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10647	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: S-Video

The first 30 copies went out this morning. I sent them by postmark on your orders. Curiously, even though I had 103 e-mail orders, checks for only 34 have shown up so far. At this rate A lot of them are not going to get to you by Christmas. Starting on January the first, I will ship to the waiting list people that ordered after the initial 100 if the payments from the others haven't arrived. I will notify them individually. The next shipment goes out Wednesday. Thanks to all and happy Holidays Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10648	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Toy Trains at the Fairfax Hospital for Children

The W&OD Chapter of the Atlantic Coast S-Gaugers ran their trains at the Fairfax Hospital for Children this past Saturday December 9th. We set up in a 5th floor activity room from 8:00 to 10:45 a.m. and ran our trains for the children, their parents and members of the hospital staff for a little over three hours. Children of all ages stopped by to see the display, watch trains, and operate accessories and action cars. Some were in wheelchairs, others were accompanied by their IV's, others were at the hospital to visit a sibling or parent. Tyler, the Child Life Coordinator on duty, told us that one young patient had talked about us coming all week. He was easy to spot when he arrived. His name was David and he was incredibly attentive to every detail and aspect of our layout. He played trains with us for nearly 45 minutes and was a perfect gentlemen the entire time. Apparently there were a lot of infants in the hospital, and several patients who could not leave their room. But we went into this with the outlook that if we made just one child have a slightly happier stay at the hospital, and possibly a brighter Holiday Season because of that, then we were successful. Later, as we were hauling our equipment back down to the lobby, a girl about 12 years old shuffling down the hall in her gown apparently suffering from some type of trauma to her neck or spine such that her chin was pressed hard to her chest and she could only look down at the floor said, "thanks for the trains". I replied "you're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed them". She said, "they were beautiful". It was a very good day. I'd like to thank the members of our club who were able to participate. They did a great job setting up, running a wide variety of trains, and adding a Holiday/Christmas theme to our layout. From Scott Brown's incredible Christmas village complete with a flying Santa's Sleigh and Royal Blue Frosty Express, to John Roger's authentically painted multi-color Seaboard PA A-B combination there was never a dull moment. Add to that David Bollinger's loooong freight trains, Mike Price's intermodal special, Bill Novak's many modern engines, operating mail-bag car, and Erector Set display, and Jack Early's classic and great pulling AF Hudson and you can see why kids and adults alike had so much fun. Personally I had a ball running my Gilbert GP-7 and watching our visitors run my action cars like the lumber car, coal car, rocket launcher, milk-can car, and log unloader. We were invited to come back anytime, especially when the weather is nice. That way we could set up in the courtyard outside the activity room and run our engines that smoke! And everyone knows "where there's smoke, there's Flyer". [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10649	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10650	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Nashville S Group

My dream of getting a group started in Nashville is well on it's way. My display at the TN. Fair Grounds with the Music City Train Club was very sucessful. I ran trains next to the O gauge table which was 3 4X8 with two 027 loops and Plasticville buildings. They did not put up a train until the show was almost over, so all the kids came to me. I ran a sound system and let some of the kids run the train. Many people came up and tried to sell me HO stuff, so you know they did not recogize it as S. I had AF signs made up. Gene Brailey was responsible for getting us invited. He dressed up the layout with a blue skirting. I handed out S Group business cards. Now I will wait to see if my phone rings. Had some people say they had a old AF train. One farmer type collected ERTLE and liked the RR eqiupment. If I get invited back next year I will add more panels, and should have some help. Earl Henry helped me set up and brake down. Gene said that most of the S gauge people in Nashville came by to see us. I don't know them, because I have not been active in the local train club. I never saw and S when I went to their meets, but this will change. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10651	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: (no subject)

Subject: Great Days - Greeting`S' - My heartiest accolades to Wayne Beachy, Mike Myers, Jim Schiele, Ernie Stinson, and Tom Riddle for the wonderful gift of fine entertainment they gave to the Children's ward of MCV on Saturday. Gentlemen, your selfless effort in giving these children an hour of wonderland brings honor and respect to all model railroad groups as the public learns of this from the children. Thanks. And thanks also to Bill Novak. Last March he suggested that we be open to and even educated in the matter of helping the Boy Scouts. Until I read his contribution, I did not know there was a Railroading Merit Badge. Happily, I found out about it that day. Early this fall, Durham, NC, Scoutmaster Lewis Blake called to see if, indeed, I had a model railroad. "Would a Boy Scout Troop be wlecome for a visit?" I replied in the affirmative. Lewis and I got together to discuss time of visit, size of group, and logistics. Saturday at 1 p.m. they showed up on the advertised. Sixteen Boy Scouts and six Scoutmasters (who wanted some fun, too) with fine introductions. After taking time to get first one train, then another, rolling, the Scouts found the accessory operating buttons. Then they began running the trains. As each line has a voltmeter and an ammeter, they got a boost on their Electricity Merit Badge as well. Some hour twenty minutes later, we stopped the running and turned to displays. There was a circle of O-gauge (L style) with a segment of HO curved sitting concentrically. Outside that was a circle of AF and finally a segment of large-radius S-gauge track. The guys could make their own judgements about what looked right and what did not. With a few HO models we discussed the "shake the box" kit, the kit with more challenges, and the craftsman- style wood kit that has grabirons instead of ladders, truss rods, and brake rigging. A question about electromagnetics brought up a loco for a look at the field coil. This gave rise to another question about the stockyard electromagnet and how it compares to a doorbell electro- magnet with contacts. A good opening for a short discussion of AC vs DC. It must have been a satisfactory outing for the guys. To stay on the advertised, they had to leave at 3 p.m. and they did not want to go. The group was well-behaved, courteous, and respectful. They are welcome back anytime. Cheer`S' Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10652	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car

...I didn't know there was a Christmas car made for 2000. Is there a link somewhere, where I can go and look at it? Wayne Don Thompson wrote: > > Does anyone know where we can get or have an extra one of our 2000 PGE > Christmas cars? Please contact Douglas Fiano if you do. > Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > > Dbc000@... wrote: > > > To continue a family tradition with our child, I am in desperate need of a > > 2000 Christmas car. Please help! > > > > Sincerely, Douglas Fiano > > > Dear Douglas, > > These sold out quicker than we thought they would, actually, the entire > > > > reefer project did better than we anticipated.I be we could have sold an > > additional 100 cars. Robin has been sending people to our dealers for > > about > > 6 weeks now and we do not know of even one that might have an extra car. I > > > > will try on our e-mail groups. > > Don Thompson > > > > -- Don Thompson > S Helper Service Inc. > http://www.showcaseline.com > 1.800.465.0303 > 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10653	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car

Dear Wayne, Yes, try the reefer page at: http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html scroll down to item 00497, double click on image. This was our Christmas car. I bet we could have sold twice as many. Sorry for all of those who missed this. I have included a the jpeg that will be removed by the e-mail groups. I can send this to anyone that responds. Only Wayne will see it now. Don T. Wayne Broadhead wrote: > ...I didn't know there was a Christmas car made for 2000. Is there a > link somewhere, where I can go and look at it? > > Wayne > -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10654	From: Stan S.	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] AM

> Somebody mentioned that AM has a sale on. I'm getting tired of slapping > my hand........ I think I need to buy some more of those grain hoppers. > Does anybody know if the any of the central or north-central railroads > used these in gray (GN, Soo, M&StL, etc.) ? If so, I'm assuming I could > re-letter them. If you are on S-trains, please reply directly to me. > Well they're not all gray, but here are a few of the midwestern decals that Oddball's has for this particular car (they have many others): BN: #108 BNSF: #350 CB&Q: #185 CGW: #138 CNW: #414, 421 MILW: #117 RI: #213 SOO: #342, #515 thru 518 WC: #404 Stan Stokrocki Stan Stokrocki

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10655	From: RGeorge942@aol.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF trains on TV

While watching the TV show, "The Practice", Sunday night. I saw what appeared to be an AF S gauge layout as part of the office Christmas decorations. No trains were running, but the two rail AF track, without roadbed, was unmistakable. Does anyone have any info on this? Bob George

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10656	From: Samuel J. McCoy	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: [showcaseline] Re: [S-Trains] Re: HELP! need 2000 Christmas car

H Don I seen it :--) And I'll see you 2/3 & 2/4. Sam Don Thompson wrote: > > I have included a the jpeg that will be removed by the e-mail groups. I can send > this to anyone that responds. Only Wayne will see it now. > Don T.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10657	From: Roger Delthony	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Horn Controller

On page 104 of the November 1998 issue of Classic Toy Trains there is an article entitled "Build a better sound activation button" that shows and tells how to build a sound activation button. The control shown is made using Radio Shack components and allows control of a two sound function device such as horn/bell. A simpler version could be made if you only want to have one sound. The controller uses seven diodes connected in series in a loop with power and take off taken to either side of one diode. If powered by the transformer supplying track power, activating the sound circuit results in a voltage drop to the track and a slowdown of a locomotive. This article shows how to power the control off a second transformer, which actually gives a slight voltage boost to the track and speeds up the locomotive. If you don't have access to this issue of Classic Toy Trains, drop me a note and I can copy the article for you. There were also two articles in I believe S-Gaugian, Jul/Aug 1994 and Sep/Oct 1994, by Greg Messer, which address sound activation. In one of these articles he shows a circuit that appears to avoid engine slowdown when operating off one transformer. Regards, Roger Delthony

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10658	From: SMITTY@tir.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF Bell Danger

Just wired up a Bell Danger Crossing unit for under the ol' Christmas tree and it didn't go "clang", "ding" or even "clunk". A little inspection shows that the fine solenoid wire separated itself from the lead wire under the base. "What an easy repair !" I say to myself. Hooking back the wires and testing it I was sorely dissapointed to get just the softest "clung" out of it each time the plunger end tapped the bell. The bell for this unit is a deep drawn piece, and has lots of splits from the drawing/forming process. This can't help the resonant qualities of the bell. My question is: Are they all this way ? Any one have a better sounding unit and what is the difference between yours and mine ? Finally, a short "want list". I'm in need of a trailing truck, the Delta style, for a 293. And....I would like to trade a set of scale trucks and couplers from an American Models Conrail caboose for a hi- rail and AF compatible couplers. If no trades, I'd buy 'em outright. Thx, Smitty

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10659	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Re: AF Bell Danger

High Smitty, Hmm, I just wrote another list member about this today! The cracks weren't there originally. The deep drawing process sets up work hardened stress areas in the brass, and then striking it and making it vibrate just adds to the cracking proccess. However! not all is lost! you can remove the bell and silver solder the cracks, the resultant heat from the silver soldering process should stress relieve the brass and help prevent future cracking (note I said "help"). If you quench the bell, it will get really soft, so I don't recommend that. My thus repaired bells have a nice "ding" to them. The other choice is to buy a replacement bell, but I'm cheap! so I solder mine. After I solder them, I sand them, buff them and put a thin coat of clear lacquer on them (I know, over-restoration). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10660	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: Another MTH Delay

MTH today announced a further delay in the delivery of the Coal Loader accessory to dealers. The new delivery date, issued just 4 days before the third announced date, is now January 15th, 2001. So much for a Christmas gift. And I was hoping to run mine this weekend with the Carolinas Division of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers at the Greenberg Train Show in Charlotte, North Carolina. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10661	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/11/2000
Subject: AF Bell Danger

You can replace the bell with a 3/4" copper end cap from your plumbing supply store. Mine cost me 39 cents each. This tip came from Bob Tufts. i haven't actually installed one yet, but they ting nicely when suspended on a pencil. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10662	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Another MTH Delay

Dear Joe (and all others), Boy I know how this goes, I received a fax from our engineers in Hong Kong yesterday informing us of delays in production of our switches. The FedEx package with out switches was supposed to leave this week, has been delayed 10 to 15 days. We too had promised switches for Christmas based on our builders production and shipping projections and were having cases FedExed in to make that deadline. Don Thompson Joseph Haenn wrote: > MTH today announced a further delay in the delivery of > the Coal Loader accessory to dealers. The new > delivery date, issued just 4 days before the third > announced date, is now January 15th, 2001. So much > for a Christmas gift. And I was hoping to run mine > this weekend with the Carolinas Division of the > Atlantic Coast S Gaugers at the Greenberg Train Show > in Charlotte, North Carolina. > > Joe -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10663	From: mvandiver2@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: (no subject)

I want to thank Wayne Beachy, Mike Myers, Jim Schiele, Ernie Stinson and Tom Riddle of Atlantic Coast S-Gaguers for sharing their wonderful experience in making their displays to the children in the hospital and to David Horn for doing the same about his group running the ones at Fairfax Children's hospital. This, to me, is what model railroading is all about. I would just like to ask various members and groups to remember that there are many children who are less fortunate than many of us who would love to have such an opportunity. I take my trains "on the road" as much as I possibly can. The experiences like the ones related by the folks mentioned above are more than enough a reward for the efforts that are made. Peace....and have a meaningful holiday season. Mike Vandiver [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10664	From: Mark Preman	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Great American Train Show-Mobile

Hey Guys, I am thinking of trucking some "Flyer" to the Mobile Show in Mobile January 6 and 7. Anybody gonna be there? Mark ===== Mark B. Preman AmericanFlyerTrains.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10665	From: Novak, William	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Help with a dim 336

While servicing my 336 Northern I noted that the headlight is very dim while the engine is running in either forward or reverse. At the same time the smoke unit puts out very little smoke. However, while the engine is in neutral the light is fully bright and thick smoke drifts out of the stack. I attached a volt meter across the headlight leads and measured only 4.5 volts when the engine is running but 17 volts when in neutral. What gives? The engine runs quite well otherwise with no indication of shorts, loose wires, etc. I do need new brushes - the current ones are but 3/16" long - and I will be replacing them. Is that the cause of the dim light or should I be looking for something else? Bill Novak Arlington, Virginia

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10666	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Fwd: MTH woes

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10667	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Photos of the Baldwin 2-8-0 Sample Model in S Scale

Howdy Friends On the page below, there is a link to several photos of our M&PA #41 sample model. There are still a couple of parts not on the model so don't be too critical. Photos of #42 and #43 will be along shortly. http://www.btsrr.com/bts6101.htm Our builder, John, has been pulling his hair out; seems the brass caster is getting slower and slower. So John is getting his own lost-wax equipment to speed the projects along. Thanks, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10668	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336

You have a wiring problem. Both wires leading to the headlight and smoke unit need to be connected to the tender pickups so that they get the full 18-19 volts across them. What is happening on yours is that when the engine is running your headlight and smoke unit is connected in series with the field and/or the armature. If you have a 4 pin jack panel, try reversing the plug. If this is not the case, then you'll have to track down the incorrect connection. I discovered this wiring possibility while converting a 332DC to AC and I wanted to use a 4 pin jack panel. I had to use a 5th wire for one side of the headlight/smoke unit, and one wire of the jack panel which was always connected to the other pickup, no matter what the position of the reverse unit was. This made it important to always orient the plug correctly when plugged into the jack panel, because if I didn't have it right the engine would still run and sequence correctly but the headlight/smoke unit would be connected between the field and the armature and wouldn't be getting full power. I understand that the 5th wire could be the engine to tender connection and in this way you could get by with 4 wire jack panels, but some drawings seem to reference a 5 wire jack panel. Does anybody have more info on this? --- "Novak, William" <wjnovak@...> wrote: > While servicing my 336 Northern I noted that the headlight is very > dim while > the engine is running in either forward or reverse. At the same time > the > smoke unit puts out very little smoke. However, while the engine is > in > neutral the light is fully bright and thick smoke drifts out of the > stack. > I attached a volt meter across the headlight leads and measured only > 4.5 > volts when the engine is running but 17 volts when in neutral. What > gives? > The engine runs quite well otherwise with no indication of shorts, > loose > wires, etc. I do need new brushes - the current ones are but 3/16" > long - > and I will be replacing them. Is that the cause of the dim light or > should > I be looking for something else? > > Bill Novak > Arlington, Virginia > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10669	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336

Hi, Interesting, I've not seen the original post. More fun with my ISP, I guess. The Fifth wire is the "instant smoke" feature, and was added when the ACG engineers realized the low voltage problem with the smoke units. Five wire locos have a red paint mark on one side of their plugs and jacks, that's so you plug them in correctly! This was obviously an added feature, after the original loco engineering, as they used the already existing rivet in the jack panel for the fifth wire, and then added the paint drop to keep things "right". Think this came about in '54 or so, but I'm not certain about that. Any steam loco with 4-position reverse unit can be "converted" to this set-up, by tracing the wires and adding the fifth one as you described. I kept my Daylight with four wires, and set it up so in reverse, the headlight dims. That means less smoke too, but most reverse running is for switching, so that seems realistic too. Can't remember how I did that. Hmmm. . . . Notes???? Who me??? The tender lamp is also keyed to the reverse unit and only comes on in reverse. "We don' need no stinkin' DCC!!" ;-) S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10670	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: help with a dim 336

Bill: the previous posters are correct. Your headlight and smoke unit are wired by mistake in series with part or all of the motor. The left or fireman's side brush should be connected to the front tender truck rivet through the harness. A fifth wire should run from the rear tender truck rivet to the rivet on the jack panel above the plugs. This wire is not part of the four wire harness but is an additional fifth wire. The smoke unit and headlight should be connected 1) to the left brush and 2) to the panel rivet mentioned above. If you send me a stamped self addressed envelope I will be glad to send you a copy of a diagram that shows the four most common wiring schemes in Flyer steam locos. Macon Short and I published this as part of the Roundhouse in the May-June '92 S Gaugian, if you happen to have access to one. I sent copies out to about a dozen s-list members some time ago. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10671	From: toby_loftus@mentor.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: mix and matching track?

Greetings, I'm new to this list, so be kind. I've seen a lot of posts about various track manufacturers (Gargraves, AM, S Trax, American S-Scale, etc.). I'm interested in folks who have mixed and matched various kinds of track. I'll be running Hi-Rail AF. For example, I like the looks of S-Trax (.155 code), but I would like to try the closed-frog American S-gauge closed frog switches (.172 code). I remember many years ago using Gargraves and original AF track and struggling a little with the height difference between the two. Anyone out there have experience using various types of track they can share? Thanks, Toby

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10672	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] S Scale at St. NMRA COnvention

Dear Dave, We will have 4 booths at St. Louis. We are planning on bringing a layout and lots of stuff to sell. We have not been to St. Louis in over 4 years and know there are lots of S gaugers in the area. We are hoping that they will turn out for this once in a lifetime opportunity...When the National Train Show is in your hometown. Don Thompson ironhors@... wrote: > What is the latest on an S Scale presence at the NMRA Convention in St. > Louis? Any hope of it being a suitable substitute for those of us who > live west of the Mississippi (or Ohio?) River for Scranton? If I > remember right, St. Louis has a large AF group, but very little scale > activity now that Claud Wade, Doc Johnson, and Jim Bresnahan are no > longer around, though I understand a good contingent of Sn3 is in place > there. Dave Engle -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10673	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Updates

I updated some of links on the S-Trains link page. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/links.htm The other day I uploaded some Junk Store treasures to the yahoo photo section. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains I upload the jumper diagram for working on steam locos without the tender.http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/diagram/jumper.gif -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10674	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: train help

Answers to your questions 1. Attach alligator clips to two wires and run them from your transformer. Clip them ontoan axle of each tender truck. Don't apply power for more than a few seconds to a non running locomotive. Spray some TV tuner contact cleaner into your reverse units. This might make them work right quick. If they are very dirty, clean the drum from underneath with contact cleaner and Q-tips. You have to remove the reverse unit to do this but that is easy with the drum type. If the fingers are damaged, they must be replaced. Not difficult -- use a third hand tool to hold the finger board as you solder the connections. Straighten the tabs to remove/replace the finger boards. Bend the fingers on the new boards downwards before installation. Don't solder finger boards in place in the reverse unit because soldering heat can damage the drum through the fingers. Check out Paul Yorke's site for parts suppliers. 2. You can buy a solid state reverse unit to replace an electromechanical one. These solid state circuits in my view are less than robust; specifically, they don't react well to (get toasted by) power surges, which can run as high as 80 volts or more for a fraction of a second. Such surges are common in AC toy train operation, such as when a train goes off the track and c auses a short circuit. Others might not agree with this assessment. 3., You can run your trains on DC. In this method, you replace the reverse unit with a diode bridge and place another diode bridge and a DPDT switch between the transformer and the train. Reversing the polarity of the DC with the DPDT switch reverses the locomotive. The drawbacks to this method are 1) it lowers the "collectible value" of the piece, if there is such a thing; 2) track wiring can become much more complicated, especially if you use train stopping accessories such as the talking station and semaphore, also the stockyard and action cars. Reverse loops are much more difficult to wire with DC than the original AC. Large layouts are also much more complex electrically with DC. 3. Diode bridges fail; again, this is not the most friendly environment for such devices. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10675	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?

I use Flyer with rubber roadbed, Cargraves with cork roadbed and AM code 148 on cork and some homosote. I use the Flyer and Gargraves interchangeably. The Flyer switches with this combination "hang" about a 32nd(?) of an inch above the table but it's invisible with the beveled edge of cork roadbed I install surrounding the switches. All Flyer and Gargrave mate with either Gargraves or Flyer track pins, which I use interchangeably at the transitions. Flyer pins are a bit big for Gargraves but will force in. AM track is a lower height and the transition points must be made by adjusting table top heights where they meet. It involves a gap in the rail and necessitates wiring across the gap. I merely make sure both sides of the gap are securely mounted because there is no track pin or rail joiner to hold alignment. If necessary you can solder the two together useing an acid flux and some multistrand wire. toby_loftus@... wrote: > > Greetings, > > I'm new to this list, so be kind. > > I've seen a lot of posts about various track manufacturers > (Gargraves, AM, S Trax, American S-Scale, etc.). I'm interested in > folks who have mixed and matched various kinds of track. I'll be > running Hi-Rail AF. > > For example, I like the looks of S-Trax (.155 code), but I would like > to try the closed-frog American S-gauge closed frog switches (.172 > code). I remember many years ago using Gargraves and original AF > track and struggling a little with the height difference between the > two. > > Anyone out there have experience using various types of track they > can share? > > Thanks, > Toby > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10676	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: Help with a dim 336

I have a 290 that didn't smoke well. I installed a 5th wire from the tender truck to one side of the smoke unit and now it smokes well. Only anomaly is it heats the wire eklement in neutral, so if you stand long in idle it emits a huge puff when you start moving in forward or reverse. I looked at the wiring to the reverse unit to figure out which tender truck should be wired to the smoke. Problem is that 4 wire systems seem to have the smoke unit wired across the armature so they smoke great with no load but not as well under load. Has something to do with the back emf of the motor, I think. "Novak, William" wrote: > > While servicing my 336 Northern I noted that the headlight is very dim while > the engine is running in either forward or reverse. At the same time the > smoke unit puts out very little smoke. However, while the engine is in > neutral the light is fully bright and thick smoke drifts out of the stack. > I attached a volt meter across the headlight leads and measured only 4.5 > volts when the engine is running but 17 volts when in neutral. What gives? > The engine runs quite well otherwise with no indication of shorts, loose > wires, etc. I do need new brushes - the current ones are but 3/16" long - > and I will be replacing them. Is that the cause of the dim light or should > I be looking for something else? > > Bill Novak > Arlington, Virginia > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10677	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: MTH woes

I've been reading on this, and the TCA toytrains list, mounting woes with MTH. TELL MTH!! you pay good money for this stuff, it has a warranty(which, BTW, is part of the purchase price). I gave up on MTH operating equipment a year ago. Starting in 1996, here's why:1) Railking Dreyfuss Hudson-whistle, awfully annoying, had even more annoying static. Sent it back. It returned, sounding the same. About a month later, whistle died. 2) Pennsy and NYC Railking streamliners-random shorts, smoking wiring, and twice a vionent short that ejected bulb into car interior. Dealer replaced each car. Problems still crop up. 3)116 station. The exterior lights wouldn't light. I fiddled with the sockets and got intermittent lighting.E-mailed MTH. They replied that it was due to their using the original socket design. no offer to fix. Fixed 'em myself. 4) 392E traditional engine.It blew the circuit breaker on my transformer the first time I powered up.Sent it back, and it returned in only 5 days with a repaired and track tested voucher. Set it up, it blew everything again. Returned it again, this time they fixed it. Sold it this summer for $600-took a loss, but didn't want it anymore. 5) 400E Blue Comet: headlight didn't work. Replaced bulb. Headlight didn't work. After a 20 minute test run, I removed it from the track and the chassis dropped out-disaster averted by the driver rods remaining in place. Saw why the headl! ight didn't work, tho'- the lead for it was severed(at least it wasn't pinched in the frame-now I know what was up with the 392). If I ahdn't wanted the Comet so badly, I probably would've dumped that one, too. So, except for non-powered rolling stock, MTH and I are through. In the last 12 years, I have purchased-new-9 Lionel 0 gauge and Flyonel S gauge engines/sets. I have had one problem, period-a bad RS B unit which was exchanged by my dealer.Mike's venture into S is something that I'd be careful about experimenting with.-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10678	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?

Soldering: I would strongly recomend against an acid flux, as it will cause corrosion later on, doesn't seem to matter how carefully you clean it afterwards. There are better non-corrosive fluxes out there (many different brands, don't have any on hand right now, just ask at a good radio parts place, or even RS store. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10679	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/12/2000
Subject: Re: mix and matching track?

If you use acid flux us baking soda in water to wash it. The soda will combine with the acid and totally neutralize it. If you have a battery break in a flash light, clean it out the best you can then fill it with soda water. Dry it after you remove the soda water. Like new. Larry David Dewey wrote: > > Soldering: > I would strongly recomend against an acid flux, as it will cause > corrosion later on, doesn't seem to matter how carefully you clean it > afterwards. There are better non-corrosive fluxes out there (many different > brands, don't have any on hand right now, just ask at a good radio parts > place, or even RS store. > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10680	From: Novak, William	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Dim 336 fixed

After a careful review of wiring on my 336, and finding no apparent anomalies, I tried reversing the plug from the tender to the engine. Lo and behold, that did the trick. It both fully lights up and smokes while running now. Apparently, after servicing the engine I had replaced the plug upside down. I'll have to look for the red dot but if it isn't there I'm sure going to put one there. By the way, the engine is stamped June 1954. If anyone has the same problem try flipping the plug to the engine. Scott, David, Tom and Chuck were all correct in their diagnosis of the problem and the suggested solution. Thanks, guys. Bill Novak

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10681	From: finerty, paul	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: MTH equipment

John, Sounds like you got the opposite end of the spectrum from the engines and rolling stock I've gotten. I've had nothing but great performance out of my MTH equipment (I have probably a hundred or so of their products). I had one engine throw a tire, that's about it in four years of operating. As a matter of fact I hardly buy Lionel anymore, because my opinion is that MTH and Williams (especially Williams!) produce better stuff at a more reasonable cost. They are definitely not as detailed as AM or SHS however. I tend to shy away from sound equipped cars as I have a couple and that's plenty of noise for me. I'm looking forward to MTH's Flyer reproduction accessories because I'm expecting a well made product from them as usual. Paul Finerty EMC² Engineering

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10682	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Weak lighted 336

In a message dated 12/13/2000 3:21:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > I attached a volt meter across the headlight leads and measured only 4.5 > volts when the engine is running but 17 volts when in neutral. What gives? > The engine runs quite well otherwise with no indication of shorts, loose > wires, etc. I do need new brushes - the current ones are but 3/16" long - > and I will be replacing them. Is that the cause of the dim light or should > I be looking for something else? > > Bill, you are suffering from the large armature syndrome. That puppy sucks > so much of the available current that it leaves the smoke wick and > headlight very little to operate on. I semi-fixed mine by unwrapping some > turns on the nichrome wire that is on the wick. Try a lower voltage bulb in > there for the headlight. (12v) and back the throttle down a little while > setting in neutral.. Good luck.. Steve Blackburn TCA,NASG,RMHR, Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10683	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Re: F-3 Sound Units: an open letter to S Helper Service

Dear Gary, Let me answer your questions: > 1. Since I ordered a set through my local hobby shop, do I need to contact > them who would in turn contact Walthers to specify which sound unit I want? > Or, is there only one type of unit available through Walthers? A. Like many of our projects, Walthers does not participate when things get complicated so only one unit is available, the AC/DC with sound and the 10 button Locomatic® controller. But, once you get your F-3, you can contact us about exchange the AC/DC sound boards and controllers for DCC sound decoders > 2. Do Dallee and Soundtraxx both use the same .wav files or is one set > "better" than the other? A. No, they each use there own proprietary sounds > 3. Does the Soundtraxx system have all of the functionality for the light > system as well? A. We have requested Steve of Soundtrax to include all of the above lighting options, plus the dynamic brake sound for the DCC sound decoder > Thank you, > Gary -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10684	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/13/2000
Subject: Re: F-3 Sound Units: an open letter to S Helper Service

The D/B sound would be great. I have never heard an F3 but I heard an F7 and do they scream. A Santa Fe passenger train came to town at Emporia Ks and the engineer was playing with the D/B and we could hear him screaming before came into sight at Merck tower. He went past us at about 30 miles and did not slow down much more going into the station. He had to make a very hard air application and from where we were, it looked like he stood each car on its end. I would not have wanted to be a passenger on that train. D/B do not do much braking under 15/20 miles per hour. They will not stop you. Only help hold you back on a grade. Larry Don Thompson wrote: > > Dear Gary, >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10685	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Re: MR (again!)

I agree completely with your observations. Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10686	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843

David Dewey: Your post is very interesting, I have found red markings on some four wire plugs, I didn't realize that this was a factory marking, I have not read of this marking before, I assumed that the person i purchased the locomotive from marked his self. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10687	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843

Different track height: Toby: I have found that Flyer track and Gargraves track work together, with Flyer switches. Beware of smaller profile track, the flange depth of A.F. equipment requires a taller track. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10688	From: Kimball, Bob (PB)	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 843

I also have a mix of Flyer track and switches and Gargraves track and switches. They go together well. > Subject: [Track Mix > > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:58:08 -0000 > From: toby_loftus@... > Subject: mix and matching track? > > Greetings, > > I'm new to this list, so be kind. > > I've seen a lot of posts about various track manufacturers > (Gargraves, AM, S Trax, American S-Scale, etc.). I'm interested in > folks who have mixed and matched various kinds of track. I'll be > running Hi-Rail AF. > > For example, I like the looks of S-Trax (.155 code), but I would like > to try the closed-frog American S-gauge closed frog switches (.172 > code). I remember many years ago using Gargraves and original AF > track and struggling a little with the height difference between the > two. > > Anyone out there have experience using various types of track they > can share? > > Thanks, > Toby > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10689	From: john foley	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Help

Hi Folks Could you send me your feelings about the NASG funding a couple of layouts to be brought to the NMRA Convention National Train Show In St Louis next July. This I think is one of the best places to promote our gauge to the general public and folks that are maybe thinking of another or second gauge to model in. Please reply back and I will send your thoughts on to the rest of the NASG BOT members for them to consider. One last thing, I am looking at two Layouts one Scale and one Hirail-148 track with some of the new Hirail equipment. John Foley VP NASG

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10690	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Arttista figures

Received several sets of the 13 new Arttista figures today. Wow! Lots of action, even a guy with a lawn mower for your S scale grass (ground foam or green sawdust). He now has an 800-316-2493 number for ordering and takes Visa and MC. I am sorry to report that his web page (http://www.arttista.qpg.com/) does not show these little beauties (but there is a great photo in the November/December 2000 issue of the S Gaugian on page 6). -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10691	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Arttista figures

Don: a silly question: will these figures ( at least the standing ones) stand up in place or do they need to be glued or otherwise mounted? tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10692	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Re: Arttista figures

Dear Tom, Right now, they are still in the bag, but usually I use the sticky wax in the blue container. Don T. jarcho@... wrote: > Don: a silly question: will these figures ( at least the standing ones) > stand up in place or do they need to be glued or otherwise mounted? > > tom Jarcho -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10693	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: arttistta figures

Don: What wax would that be? Is it good for temporary use? The stuff sounds like something out of a Zappa song, a la "Moving to Montana". Tom

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10694	From: cbrf@snet.net	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Transport carrier for 24566

Hi, I found a reasonable priced ($4.99)auto transport carrier for the New Haven or National Car Co. flat cars. The 1/64" trailer is the same length as the one that came with the above cars. The autos that come with the set, unfortunatly are 1/144 scale. The Ford tractor is much more modern and a bit bigger then the original. The original HO autos fit on the new trailer just like the original. I purchased the set at K-Mart under the name of Mighty Machines-Hot Rod Transporter. If you have the original tractor without the trailer, this trailer will work. Bill

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10695	From: john foley	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Deep Rock & Mobil

Hi Folks I have a friend who is not on line that is looking for the NASG AF Deep Rock and Mobil Tank cars. If you have one or both for sale please reply to me at foley164@... with the prices and your phone # and I will pass it along. Thanks John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10696	From: Thor	Date: 12/14/2000
Subject: Latest project

In getting S gauge material ready for the site, we encountered another snag. The Train Runner concept would work as well for S as with O, so we want to add info to the article that would more easily allow it to be applied for S. Any suggestions would be apprevciated. Thanks Thor from All Gauge (http://thortrains.hypermart.net)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10697	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Mr. Barker

The Dec. 13 Rochester NY newspaper has an article on Mr. Tom Barker, of AF repair fame. The article cites Mr. Barker's history of involvement with AF, and announces Mr. Barker's new website for train repairs; www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/index.html Ted Larson http://spamcop.net/ We'll never KNOW who really won; the margin of counting error is GREATER than the margin of victory. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10698	From: Glenn Ritter	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: AF FLANGES

Have no fear. American Flyer flanges clear all hi-rail track including S Helper's code 125 S Trax system. AF won't run on scale code 100 or less track. Staying on the NPSG branchline of NASG track, Glenn Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:56:34 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 843 Different track height: Toby: I have found that Flyer track and Gargraves track work together, with Flyer switches. Beware of smaller profile track, the flange depth of A.F. equipment requires a taller track. Jerry 77-11644 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10699	From: payments@tree-surfer.co.uk	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Attention : Modelzone

Hi all, If you are interested in all model types. Please join Modelzone at www.egroups.com/list/modelzone or send a black email to modelzone- subscribe@egroups.com We have 50 members already, your support would be gratefull. Cheers

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10700	From: john foley	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Help

Hi Folks Thanks for your reply's. I much clear something up When I said funding layouts to take to the NMRA convention is St Louis refers to exiting club layouts. There will be many layouts there, N,HO,O,G etc. so i think we should have a S layout. Many of our S manufacturers will be their, this would be a great way to back them up, promote S and the NASG John Foley

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10701	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Tom Barker Repair Site ?

Good Morning, I tried to find the site listed by Ted Larson for a web site on American Flyer repairs by Tom Barker. I can't find a key on my keypad that looks like a squiggly dash. So I used a dash and was informed something about sites starting with that squiggly dash. I now know it is a "tilde". Something new learned today! Still can't find the site, but I now know a squiggly line is a "tilde". Maybe someone could list it in a "link" form? (You know, highlighted in blue, click on me and I'll lead you to the site type of thing.) Thanks! Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10702	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: NMRA St. Louis

John, Don't forget that the St. Louis area has an active group of S gaugers with a 12 X 24 sectional layout that we take to area shows, ( one member has a scratchbuilt roundhouse with turntable and coal loader, and another has an addition with Flyer accessories that they add to the main layout occasionally.), a 10 layer double helix we also transport, and an 8 X 8 layout that is displayed at Christmas in a local bank. Theses layouts run either scale or high rail equipment. I think the best contact would be Moe Berk, our club co-ordinator. I can't find his e-mail address at the moment, but contact me off the page and we'll try to get together on this. Thanks! Bill Trefts wmhtreftsv@... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10703	From: lawrence jackman	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Tom Barker Repair Site ?

Look at the extreme left of number row. The key left of the 1/! has `/~ Ok???? Larry William H Trefts wrote: > > Good Morning, > > I tried to find the site listed by Ted Larson for a web site on American > Flyer repairs by Tom Barker. I can't find a key on my keypad that looks > like a squiggly dash. So I used a dash and was informed something about > sites starting with that squiggly dash. I now know it is a "tilde". > Something new learned today! Still can't find the site, but I now know a > squiggly line is a "tilde". > > Maybe someone could list it in a "link" form? (You know, highlighted in > blue, click on me and I'll lead you to the site type of thing.) > > Thanks! > > Bill Trefts > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10704	From: finerty, paul	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 845

Jerry, I use mostly American Models track. It's sort of similar to HO type track but scaled up to 'S' size. My American Flyer equipment runs just fine on it, the flanges don't catch on the ties or anything like that.....I did have trouble running some of my American Models equipment (especially Alco PA's) on the original AF track so that's why I switched to AM. Paul Finerty -----Original Message----- From: S-Trains@egroups.com [mailto:S-Trains@egroups.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:52 AM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 845 Message: 3 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:56:34 -0700 From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> Subject: Re: Digest Number 843 Different track height: Toby: I have found that Flyer track and Gargraves track work together, with Flyer switches. Beware of smaller profile track, the flange depth of A.F. equipment requires a taller track. Jerry 77-11644

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10705	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Xmass stuff

Toy Liquidater is selling the Blue Box Carry along Houses for $4. Just cut off the handle. I redid one with dormers and finished the back. They also have the Blue Box gas station. This was once sold as a Match Box item. The Toy Town (at Toys R Us)truck crain set for $20 is a good deal. It is 1/72. Just add a spacer to make the crain taller. I was able to get parts to build a bridge fram and the shead is great. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10706	From: Jerry Riechert	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: rubber roadbed

I'm thinking of using AF style rubber roadbed under my Flyer track. Will I need to place some sort of shim under things like rerailers, AF switches etc. to compensate for the rubber roadbed and if so how thick? Any suggestions for suitable shim material? Suggestions on the best place to get new roadbed pieces? -- Jerry Riechert riecherg@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10707	From: milayman@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Matching Flyer track and Gargraves

In the early 70's, Flyer track and Gargraves was the best supply. I wanted to use rubber roadbed to get a total Flyer affect and to show the different ties and colors. Further, I wanted to use Gargraves to increase speed of laying track and to ease fitting tracks as Gargraves was easier to cut. With rubber road bed, I found Flyer to set approximately a 1/8 of an inch higher than Gragraves. I located cork the same width as Flyer roadbed and the same length as Gragraves. Adding the cork under the Gragaves leveled Flyer and Gragraves tracks. Again for affect, I stained the cork black. It provided a more uniform look to the track and reduced track noise. Some. That was thirty years ago. It is still crowd pleasing. Marvin

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10708	From: William H Trefts	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Missing ~ key found

Thank you all for your kind replies. With all your help, I have found the ~ key. It is next to the 1 key. I'll try the Barker site later. Amazing how things can hide in plain view. Happy Holiday"S" Bill Trefts ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10709	From: seg@uss.net	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: Tom Barker Repair Site ?

A clickable link: http://www.rit.edu/~tbbeqa/index.html Another trick is to hold down your left mouse button while dragging across the address text to highlight it. Then go up to <EDIT> on your browser and click "Copy". Then "Paste" the address in "location" box and press enter. It's easier than it looks. BTW, Tom looks a bit different now than the picture in his famous manual! --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, William H Trefts <wmhtreftsv@j...> wrote: > Good Morning, > > I tried to find the site listed by Ted Larson for a web site on American > Flyer repairs by Tom Barker. I can't find a key on my keypad that looks > like a squiggly dash. So I used a dash and was informed something about > sites starting with that squiggly dash. I now know it is a "tilde". > Something new learned today! Still can't find the site, but I now know a > squiggly line is a "tilde". > > Maybe someone could list it in a "link" form? (You know, highlighted in > blue, click on me and I'll lead you to the site type of thing.) > > Thanks! > > Bill Trefts > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10710	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: rubber roadbed

Not necessary- switches can "hang" off track. Use bevels off sides of cork roadbed to hide switch gap above tabletop. Paint bevels to match roadbed. Have done this for years on my home layout. Maske sure the 3 tracks entering the switch are securely mounted at the end up against the switch, that positions the switch securely. Jerry Riechert wrote: > > I'm thinking of using AF style rubber roadbed under my Flyer track. Will I > need to place some sort of shim under things like rerailers, AF switches > etc. to compensate for the rubber roadbed and if so how thick? Any > suggestions for suitable shim material? Suggestions on the best place to get > new roadbed pieces? > > -- > Jerry Riechert riecherg@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10711	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: rubber roadbed shimming

Jerry: I have found it necessary to shim up switches, crossings, and rerailers when using rubber roadbed. I use shirt cardboard. My track is not permanently mounted, but even if it were I would use the same technique. If trains derail consistently at a curve or switch, an extra layer of cardboard to raise the outer rail side slightly may be helpful. A small piece of cardboard or other shim must be placed under the disc of the #679 track trip when using roadbed. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10712	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 17, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10713	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: smoke troubles

Guys: I just got this message. Can anyone help this fellow out? Tom Jarcho From: WaltandMel@... Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:40:39 EST Subject: Flyer Smoke Troubles To: jarcho@... MIME-Version: 1.0 Tom, Many of my Flyer Steamers will only smoke if you hold the engine away from the track ( fee wheel) and have the throttle on full. I have been told that this is caused by a dirty wick. It used to be that you could clean these units with contact cleaner. However I have been warned that the cleaners have been reformulated and that using these newer ones will destroy the smoke unit. Is there anything else I could try? Thanks Walt Metz

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10714	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: smoke troubles

I have heard of people using WD40 to dissolve old gunk out of the wick. I assume they load it into the stack just like smoke fluid. If you try it let us know how it works. The problem of smoking only while under low or no load that you describe is also very common to many of my engines. I have a large fleet of AF engines and they tend to smoke poorly under load. These are wired with the smoke unit in parallel with the armature. If you install the 5th wire so the smoke unit gets full track power, rather than being in series with the field, it seems to help. jarcho@... wrote: > > Guys: I just got this message. Can anyone help this fellow out? Tom Jarcho > > From: WaltandMel@... > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:40:39 EST > Subject: Flyer Smoke Troubles > To: jarcho@... > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Tom, > > Many of my Flyer Steamers will only smoke if you hold the engine away from > the track ( fee wheel) and have the throttle on full. I have been told that > this is caused by a dirty wick. It used to be that you could clean these > units with contact cleaner. However I have been warned that the cleaners have > been reformulated and that using these newer ones will destroy the smoke > unit. Is there anything else I could try? > > Thanks > > Walt Metz > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10715	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: Re: AF trains on TV

Sounds good. What blows my mind right now is the backdrop they are using this week on "Wheel of Fortune" It clearly shows an F-7 in "Black Widow" paint pulling European-style Orient Express cars. They appear to be in at least one-inch scale!! BTW-What does Vanna White say when her husband blows in her ear? "Thanks for the Refill." RGeorge942@... wrote: > While watching the TV show, "The Practice", Sunday night. I saw what > appeared to be an AF S gauge layout as part of the office Christmas > decorations. No trains were running, but the two rail AF track, without > roadbed, was unmistakable. Does anyone have any info on this? > > Bob George > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10716	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/15/2000
Subject: K 325 electrical problem

Help, I have this beautiful K325 that runs great for about 2 minutes out of gate, then slows down, speeds up, slows down more, then some more, then just stops. I have noticed a ton of sparking at the pickup wheels when this starts. Hold on! The wheels are clean and the track is clean. Other engines have no sparking at all on the same track. This started doing this at the last train show on our club module. Also, the sparks are on both side on all wheels. Could I be getting a short somewhere when the engine warms up a bit? I thought it might be the fiber like washer, but they look to be intact and in good shape the best I can see. When I first start the eengine, sparking is minimal and gets worse as the engine runs. I also noticed I half the 5th wire thing and the red dot. Never noticed these before. The things I learn from everyone. It's just wonderful!!!! One last note. This engine has the pickup shoe as well as the wheels picking up current. Thanks, Chris Burger(the nut) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10717	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] PRS WM double door boxcars and other modern (post40-f

Here are the R-T-R 3 bay 70 ton open top hopper that are now available and can be purchased from Ron Sebastian of Des Plaines Hobbies (800-264-1956)., Visa/MC are accepted. I have several of each and they are the nicest R-T-R plastic open top on hoppers the market. Pictures can be seen on Ron's web page at: http://www.desplaineshobbies.com/products.html Click on "our Products", "S scale" and "Rolling Stock"! Don Thompson .>......I don't remember all the road names available, but they are really very nice cars >and it is a big help to be able to run them empty. > Bob Jackson 70 Ton Hoppers - Factory Assembled diecast weights, wire grab irons, metal wheels DPS1501/1501S Erie Lackawanna 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Black Hopper with Yellow Endposts $39.98 each DPS1502/1502S Milwaukee Road 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Red Hopper with White Lettering $39.98 each DPS1503/1503S Penn Central 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Black Hopper with White Lettering $39.98 each DPS1504/1504S Louisville & Nashville 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Red Hopper with White Lettering $39.98 each DPS1505/1505S Chesapeake & Ohio CSX 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Black Hopper with Yellow Lettering $39.98 each DPS1506/1506S Canadian National 2 numbers available - order 'S' for scale version Red Hopper with white Lettering $39.98 each DPS15071, DPS15072, DPS15073 B&0 Chessie System 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 162171, 162177, 162179 Black car with yellow lettering $39.98 each DPS15081, DPS15082, DPS15083 C&O Chessie System 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 195871, 195875, 195879 Black car with yellow lettering $39.98 each DPS15091, DPS15092, DPS15093 Conrail 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 431431, 444843, 444846 Freight car red car with white lettering $39.98 each DPS15101, DPS15102, DPS15103 New York Central 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 921642, 921644, 921646 Black car with white lettering $39.98 each DPS15111, DPS15112, DPS15113 Reading 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 41353, 41354, 41355 Black car with white lettering and yellow dot $39.98 each DPS15121, DPS15122, DPS15123 Denver & Rio Grande Western 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 17704, 17788, 17882 Black car with white lettering $39.98 each DPS15131, DPS15132, DPS15133 Southern 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 74750, 74754, 74758 Freight car red with white lettering $39.98 each DPS15141, DPS15142, DPS15143 Western Maryland 70 ton 3 bay hopper 3 numbers available 72302, 72304, 72308 This car has ladders instead of grab irons, just like the prototype Freight car red with white lettering $39.98 each > > Des Plaines now has the big open hopper car available. It is a 3 bay open hopper car with ribbed sides. It is very nicely detailed and has weighted bays so that it will track very well without a load. I picked up a Chessie, > > a Conrail, a CSX, and a Rio Grande when I was up there a few months ago. I don't remember all the road names available, but they are really very nice cars and it is a big help to be able to run them empty. > > Bob Jackson -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10718	From: donabrams	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: K325 problem

I recently serviced a 325AC Hudson that sparked like crazy too, although didn't do the slow down thing like Chris' engine. It stopped when I put a drop of Deoxit on each axle where the electrical wiper makes contact. It worked so well I'm doing it on all my locos and the others I've serviced since. As far as the slowing down goes, make sure the brushes and springs are OK and the commutator is clean. Don

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10719	From: Alan & Sherry Bennett	Date: 12/16/2000
Subject: Department Store Display

I just returned from an annual Christmas trip to Seattle, WA. We took the Talgo Train from Salem, OR, which was great, but that's another story. We always go to the Bon Marche department store in downtown Seattle, and for the last several years, my favorite stop was to see the great old style American Flyer train window display that Scott McAbee built and operated Christmas's at the Bon until he later sold the whole display to the store. Many of you may have seen it featured in magazines or on display during the layout tour at the 1995 TCA convention in Seattle. It was based on the displays in the Bon windows during the late 1940's and early '50's. I was disapointed this trip not to see the layout in a window. It was replaced by a small display using a large scale train. I figured the big S gauge display layout was scrapped and gone forever. Then my wife and went up to the 7th floor to look at the Christmas trim. I stood in front of the Dept 56 villages display, and all of a sudden it dawned on me that the multilevel snow scene under the ceramic houses was the base of the former window display. Only the upper loop of HO track (not operating) remained. Does anyone know what happened to the classic A.F. accessories? Dumped in the corner of a storage room at the Bon perhaps? Happy Holidays! Alan Bennett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10720	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: k335

Hi Tom, David, Doug, Smitty, and everyone I may have missed, I switched an armature with my 307, had this since 4 years old, now the 307 sparks like a mad man. Put the 325 back together and it doesn't run at all. Finally found where the wire is bad at the plug in board. This is a real bear to solder these real fine wires back in the board. I can move the wire and get the engine to run a little. It's upside down out of the shell though. I tried using a continuity check to see if I was on the Right Track(sorry). I went from the e-unit to the end of the wire and it beeped. But when I went to the other side of the plug in board, no beep. So in the morning after a good nights sleep and an extra pair of hands, I'll try to fix that problem. Thanks for all your help with this. Although I'm not out of the woods yet. Oh yeah, I almost forgot. This may have contributed to part of the problem, the bracket that holds the light in place was broken, and the light was moving all over the place with no tape or anything around. Oh well, thank you again to all who replied to my e-mail. Chris B.( the nut) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10721	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Sunday Morning Trains.

I applaud CBS and Charles Karult for the little feature they put together featuring Lionel Trains. Nice, but!!!!! There was absolutely no mention of a guy named Gilbert. It was as though American Flyer didn't exist! I don't have the CBS e-mail address, but plan to locate same and draw this travesty of injustice to their attention. Please join me in doing the same.Did anyone else catch this? Hope so!Happy Holidays! ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10722	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Sorry!

Sorry! Before anyone gets on my case, it was Charles Osgoog a,d nor the late, great Mr. Karult who ran the Lional story earlier on. Now, if you're interested in responding to the feature, one may write to sundays@.... Let's make some merry noise and maybe get some equal time! ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10723	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: 2001 catalogs (blatant SHS info)

We had some of our 2001 catalogs FedExed in yesterday. They are now on there way to those who have ordered or who have purchased direct from us in the last year. The rest will leave this weekend and be available in about 4 weeks. We would like to apologies for the delays in getting this years catalogs. http://www.showcaseline.com/ordercatalog.html Re: 5 NEW GSC 53'6" flatcars - These are now available. http://www.showcaseline.com/fc_in_stock.html We also have some new agricultural and constructions loads available for these flatcars. One or our more popular loads, the JD skid loader, (4 per car) has been replaced with a New Holland Skidsteer (4 per car). http://www.showcaseline.com/fcwithloads_in_stock.html Don T. -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10724	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sorry!

>Os-Good! Too much rum in the old nog! Tis the season! --- michael prell <mlprell@...> wrote: > Sorry! Before anyone gets on my case, it was Charles > Osgoog a,d nor the late, great Mr. Karult who ran > the > Lional story earlier on. Now, if you're interested > in > responding to the feature, one may write to > sundays@.... Let's make some merry noise and > maybe get some equal time! > > ===== > Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the > palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in > order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself > in doing so. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: > http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories > too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10725	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning Trains.

In a message dated 12/17/00 10:12:53 AM, mlprell@... writes: << he little feature they put together featuring Lionel Trains. Nice, but!!!!! There was absolutely no mention of a guy named Gilbert. >> Well, before we all get carried away, please remember that this was (and was INTENDED to be) a very short "puff" piece celebrating the centenary of Lionel. The only other name with an equivalent standing and longevity in toy trains is Marklin. There was no mention of Ives, Carlisle & Fitch, American Flyer (Coleman), Marx, or MTH (Wolfe) for that matter. Sometime, it would be good to have a book, documentary, etc., treat the three Toy Kings (Cowen, Gilbert, and Marx) on equal footing, but this wasn't the venue for it. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10726	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 17, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10727	From: michael prell	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Sunday Morning Trains.

>The impression that this piece left with me was that the big L was the only boy on the block. Please understand that no one is getting carried away. One is merely seeking a little recognition from the cbS'ers that Gilbert shared in a good hunk of the post war era. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. Just concerned about what appeared to be a one sided, we're the only ones that count, accounting of history. Again. Just one concerned opinion. Merry Christmas. --- RBubeck327@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/17/00 10:12:53 AM, > mlprell@... writes: > > << he little feature they put together featuring > Lionel Trains. > Nice, but!!!!! There was absolutely no mention of a > guy named Gilbert. >> > > Well, before we all get carried away, please > remember that this was (and was > INTENDED to be) a very short "puff" piece > celebrating the centenary of > Lionel. The only other name with an equivalent > standing and longevity in toy > trains is Marklin. There was no mention of Ives, > Carlisle & Fitch, American > Flyer (Coleman), Marx, or MTH (Wolfe) for that > matter. Sometime, it would be > good to have a book, documentary, etc., treat the > three Toy Kings (Cowen, > Gilbert, and Marx) on equal footing, but this wasn't > the venue for it. > > RB ===== Being angry is the same as holding a hot coal in the palm of your hand. You want to hold on to it in order to throw it at another, but only hurt yourself in doing so. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10728	From: al paolozzi	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

I received the S-video from Steve Blackburn of the Rocky Mountain group and for those that have not received it yet, it is a treat. I would not hesitate to order the next one that comes out. I thoroughly enjoyed it and will no doubt watch it over and over. Good job Steve. amflyral@... ----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@egroups.com> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, December 17, 2000 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains > > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10729	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Re: Reminder - Sunday Chat

Hi Al, nice to see you on the list. I too got the tape and can reiterate Al's words. Another great part for me was that I was at the S-West without a functioning video camera for these great layouts. Great job Steve!! Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa. -----Original Message----- From: al paolozzi [mailto:amflyral@...] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 2:14 PM To: S-Trains@egroups.com Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Reminder - Sunday Chat I received the S-video from Steve Blackburn of the Rocky Mountain group and for those that have not received it yet, it is a treat. I would not hesitate to order the next one that comes out. I thoroughly enjoyed it and will no doubt watch it over and over. Good job Steve. amflyral@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10730	From: Bill Porter	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: Home Layout update

Hi Colleagues, For those interested in such things, I have posted some new pictures of my layout in progress on my personal web site. The main link is: http://wpporter.home.att.net/ The new pictures and update text are on the Current Status - December 2000 showing the Main Line trackage. There are 11 photos. link. Progress has been a little slow, over the last year for several reasons that are now history. Thanks to the inspiration of our esteemed moderator Paul Yorke, I expect to complete the track and a first treatment of the scenery in 2001. Later, Bill Porter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10731	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, HO, S & O scale

586 CE&I 41' ballast car. (10-72) Painted boxcar red. Walthers kit. Has the 2 foot CE&I buzzsaw herald. White lettering. Set will letter 1 car. 587 Packers Car Line, PCX (3-57) or TRAX (6-54) 40' steel reefer. Painted reefer orange. Boxcar red ends. Black underframe & trucks. Has the larger ARMOUR 14' logo on left side of car. Black, dark brown, & white lettering. Set will letter 1 car. 588 CGW 3500 cuft dry flow covered hopper. (10-61) Painted light gray. Eastern Car Works kit. Set will letter 1 car. Series 771-780. Black, white & orange lettering. Has the 3 color CGW herald. 589 MP 3500 cuft dry flow covered hopper. (10-59) Painted light gray. Eastern Car Works kit. Set will letter 1 car. Series 1650-1699. Black lettering. Has the 2' MP herald. 590 CNW 3500 cuft dry flow covered hopper. (8-79) Painted CNW green. Eastern Car Works kit. Set will letter 1 car. Series 76921-76979 odd numbers only. Black & yellow lettering. Has the CNW owned 2 color herald. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10732	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: AM reverse unit question

I have an American Models PA hi-rail AC model. Flyer transformer and track. All runs perfect except that it always starts up in sequence. If you turn it off after running forward it starts in neutral and you have to sequence through reverse then neutral then forward. Yup, even when the power is cut completely for hours. All my other AM models start off in forward after they have been off for more than a few seconds. Unless the motor is cross wired so they start in reverse. Never in neutral. Any Ideas on this? Is there a setting for this (removing the always start forward memory)? Is this a dead e-reverse unit? eric reis kenmore, wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10733	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/17/2000
Subject: AM FA CP shell trade? PA's for sale.

I have an American Models FA in Canadian Pacific 4044 in excellent condition. I would like to trade the shell for a Great Northern or Northern Pacific (were these made? or maybe a UP. Any takers, I may be willing to take an FB or a second FA also (whole engines, Hi-rail, AC if powered) with it for the right price. Of the stuff I had for sale last month I still have 2 items that didn't go out. (Thanks Dennis, Dave, and Joe). Project 2. 360, 361, 361 Alco PAs. chromed but badly yellowed and chipped. mostly complete but not all the parts match perfectly. one side frame is painted black. no cracks good repaint candidates one 361 has horn. Lowered to $110 for the set including shipping USPS in USA. Project 4. 740 handcar with replacement lanterns, has screw for tipple trailers, colors of figures somewhat worn away. $40 I will pay USPS ship in USA I have Digital Pictures of these and can send them or make more of any views you need. thanks Eric Reis Kenmore, Wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10734	From: starr007	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Steve Blackburn video

Got my video from Steve Blackburn this week. I thought it was great and really enjoyed it . Hope to see more of them in the future. Great job Steve. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10735	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: overheating armatures

I was servicing a 21812 Baldwin and a large motor 336 this weekend. After completely cleaning and relubing with Aero lube products, both would only run very slow for a short time and then stop. Right before they stopped, both started smoking, especially around the area where the brushes contacted the armature. After they cooled for a while, they would start again, heat up and stop. By the way, neither ran at all before I worked on them. Both had very smooth operation by had with very little play in the armatures. I've fixed many other locos and never had this happen before. What seems to be the problem? Bad armatures? Anyone have any ideas on what to check or do? Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10736	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem

..what is this stuff "Deoxit"? Where can i get it? Thanks, Wayne donabrams wrote: > > I recently serviced a 325AC Hudson that sparked like crazy too, although > didn't do the slow down thing like Chris' engine. It stopped when I put a > drop of Deoxit on each axle where the electrical wiper makes contact. It > worked so well I'm doing it on all my locos and the others I've serviced > since. > As far as the slowing down goes, make sure the brushes and springs are OK > and the commutator is clean. > Don > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10737	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: PA Heritage

I thought the Pennsylvania Heritage replacement chassis for the AF Baldwin switchers was a little pricey at $199.95 with AC reverse unit. However, I purchased one as a demonstrator and to see how it would sell. We placed it on our Atlantic Coast S Gauge modular layout this weekend as a test. It surpassed all of our expectations. After an initial break-in period of about 10 minutes, it performed flawlessly. We pulled a 15-car train made up of S-Helper Service cars (including 1 TOFC) and caboose for over 4 hours, operating at normal to even very slow speeds. After 4 hours, we pulled the engine and checked its motor. It was not even hot!! As a comparison, we double-headed two AF chassis Baldwin diesels with the same load of cars (it took both of them to pull the load with some wheel slippage, while the PA Heritage chassis never once slipped). In 10 minutes of operating time, both AC Gilbert motors were extremely hot. Our Club members were greatly impressed with this chassis. One member was so impressed that he immediately purchased the demonstrator. Other members also expressed interest. What a great addition to the offerings in S gauge. Now I can't wait to see the TrainMaster. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10738	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 846

Chris Burger: From what you described, heavy sparking, loco slows down after running, etc, it sounds like the armature has a short. pull the armature and check (with an ohm meter) resistance between each commutator segment should be 1 to 2 ohms, check between each commutator segment and motor shaft, should be O ohms. If it has a short, have it rewound by Bob Hannon ( hannon@... ) Jerry 77-11644 P.S. Another red dot shows up on a 4 wire plug. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10739	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: smoke, and slowing

Smoke: It's all about flow. Flow of current, smoke fluid, and air. Current flow - - the five-wire arrangement works best. On Franklins and others that count on the chassis/tow-bar add a direct wire from the front truck. A smoke coil of the correct resistance (35-53 ohms) that is not in contact with the metal chamber is a must. Any doubts, remover leads and measure using VOM. Adjust the location of the coil or replace it by rewinding a new one on some fresh wick material. Smoke fluid flow - - a soft wick capable of sustained capillary action from tip to and through the coil is required. (I'm talking for no jok'n it's smok'n performance). You can revive a minorly impaired wick with alcohol, WD-40, track cleaner, etc, down the stack (then let evaporate overnight, unless you want engine flambe). But I've found you usually have to open the unit and inspect the wick. If petrified with old fluid, gently unravel and let soak in a baby food jar of isopropyl alcohol (kept safely away from flame, spark, etc.). Rinse with water, blow dry with hair dryer. Should be fluffy again. If too far gone, replace with 2' piece of new wick and rewind a new coil at it's mid-point. If the wick is charcoal through the coil. Replace the wick and coil. The type of fluid can optimize the performance of a good wick and coil combo, but not make up for any shortcomings with either. I like Lehigh Valley Train Service's S-Gauge fluid best (but it's no longer made), 99.9% pure lamp oil next best (some after odor, lace with cedar oil helps), ProtoSmoke next best (made by LVTS for MTH), and personally find SuperSmoke too thick. Air flow - - must be unobstructed from entrance to exit. Inspect your system from the drive gear and bell crank through the stack. Piston and cyclinder should be clean and make for reliable compression of air into the hole and the forward end of the cylinder. That hole needs to be unobstructed. The chamber it leads into, clean and clear of dirt, fuzz, spider webs, etc. The tiny hole from the Choo-choo chamber into the smoke chamber must also be clear and clean. The air path through the smoke chamber should be unobstructed as much as possible even by the wick and coil (pay attention to that as you reassemble). Obviously the hole at the base of the stack and the stack itself must be wide open. For SIT models, add to these items an unobstructed rubber hose of the right diameter, material, length, and path from the tender through the boiler shell, along with bellows inspection/repair/replacement and routine motor care. By taking the right amount of time, precautions, and care you can set off smoke alarms, or chase mosquitos with an AF smoke unit. Enjoy. Slowing: Assuming clean tender wheels, axle contact points, commutators, brushes, and reverse unit fingers/drum etc, you very likely have a thinned wire or loose connection. MOst likely a weaken stranded-wire connection or fatigued section you can't see inside old cloth insulation. A few strands left making connection is good enough to get you going, but as current flows (there's that word again) through the wire, it heats up, and as it heats up it generates more resistance soon failing to allow enough current to pass for correct operation (of course until it cools down again). Look for a poor stranded wire connection. Clip off the old tip, remove some insulation, tin the freshly exposed wire, and resolder (use flux). If no better, and you've got an old wire harness, replace the entire harness. If you still suffer slowing the more you run the engine, try an new old-stock armature. It could be that the degrading connection is the interface between your brushes and your commutators. Nothing revives that like a new pair of brushes, springs, and the fresh commutators of a new armature. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10740	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: K 325 electrical problem

- Greeting`S' - Chris Burger asked a good question that may have several answers about sparking under the tender. He noted that sparks are seen onboth sides on all wheels and I presume this means tender wheels. I have seen something of this due to worn axle bearings in the truck sideframes The wear allows the sideframe to drag on the rail opposite the one metal wheels are on. I do not remember seeing this occur on straight track, but it is definitely present across turnouts. Give the trucks a good look. Cheer`S' and Happy Holidays Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10741	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem

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Group: S-Trains	Message: 10742	From: TPDavis7@aol.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Sound Systems

HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10743	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

...and on the line of Toms question....i have a G guage set by Backman around the christmas tree (along with the Flyer). It came with a crummy little powerpack with a "funky little" lever on the transformer. What kind of a transformer do I need to replace this little piece of junk with? Thanks, Wayne TPDavis7@... wrote: > > HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the > American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems > bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10744	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

Dear Tom, It should activate our sound system, but not the Mars light. Don T. TPDavis7@... wrote: > HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the > American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems > bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10745	From: max meise	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

I have the dual version of the power pack you mentioned. It has two remote controls. It works well except when I put the American Models steam engine on it, it sounds the horn all of the time when I run the train one direction. If I run it the other way, there is no problem except that the bell rings when I push the horn button and the horn rings when I push the bell button. Anyone have suggestions? Max Meise -----Original Message----- From: Don Thompson <robin@...> To: TPDavis7@... <TPDavis7@...> Cc: abeachy@... <abeachy@...>; S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sound Systems >Dear Tom, > It should activate our sound system, but not the Mars light. >Don T. > >TPDavis7@... wrote: > >> HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the >> American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems >> bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis > >-- Don Thompson >S Helper Service Inc. >http://www.showcaseline.com >1.800.465.0303 >40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! >http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10746	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

Tom, We use the MRC 027 Transformer on our modular layout and it works both AM and Lionel sound. I personally also use it with a Dallee system which is the company making the SHS sound system, but I don't know how different the specs will be so I won't know for sure until I get my SHS Southern F3 set, hopefully in January. Wayne Beachy Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Virginia Central Division ----- Original Message ----- From: TPDavis7@... To: abeachy@... ; S-Trains@onelist.com Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: Sound Systems HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10747	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

Sounds like your power pack is putting out DC. The affect you describe is caused by the DC having a polarity. If you run the AM on a regular Flyer or Lionel transfromer the sound effects will need a sound controller from AM or Ott to trigger. Alternatively a Lionel whistle control transformer will operate one function, either the bell or whistle, depending on polarity of the wires to the track. (Or turn the engine around to get whistle instead of bell when using a single controller.) max meise wrote: > > I have the dual version of the power pack you mentioned. It has two remote > controls. It works well except when I put the American Models steam engine > on it, it sounds the horn all of the time when I run the train one > direction. If I run it the other way, there is no problem except that the > bell rings when I push the horn button and the horn rings when I push the > bell button. Anyone have suggestions? > Max Meise > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Thompson <robin@...> > To: TPDavis7@... <TPDavis7@...> > Cc: abeachy@... <abeachy@...>; S-Trains@egroups.com > <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Sound Systems > > >Dear Tom, > > It should activate our sound system, but not the Mars light. > >Don T. > > > >TPDavis7@... wrote: > > > >> HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate > the > >> American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems > >> bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis > > > >-- Don Thompson > >S Helper Service Inc. > >http://www.showcaseline.com > >1.800.465.0303 > >40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! > >http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html > > > > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10748	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: K325 problem

Hi, Just a thought: Last week----- My "Skill" drill began slowing down; sparking; smelling and then quits. Take apart Examination shows one brush worn down severely to the point that the spring in that holder is unable to maintain pressure on the commutator. Reason is obvious: the brush has grown too short and length is essential. The other brush isn't much better. Plus, the sparking has blackened the scales on the commutator. This makes me wonder whether I should try to get replacement brushes. I believe I can fix this $30 hammer drill and I really don't want to buy another at this time. Think about this situation for your engine---sounds like the same situation to me? If the "scales" are still solid and intact, then you'll have to bluff them up bright as well, and clean out the gaps as well ( I believe). John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10749	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/18/2000
Subject: Re: PA Heritage

Heh Guys, We hope to really impress you with the Trainmaster! Tom H. is working on the sideframes so it should happen fairly soon. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Haenn" <joestrainrepair@...> To: "S Trains" <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:48 AM Subject: [S-Trains] PA Heritage > I thought the Pennsylvania Heritage replacement > chassis for the AF Baldwin switchers was a little > pricey at $199.95 with AC reverse unit. However, I > purchased one as a demonstrator and to see how it > would sell. We placed it on our Atlantic Coast S > Gauge modular layout this weekend as a test. It > surpassed all of our expectations. After an initial > break-in period of about 10 minutes, it performed > flawlessly. We pulled a 15-car train made up of > S-Helper Service cars (including 1 TOFC) and caboose > for over 4 hours, operating at normal to even very > slow speeds. After 4 hours, we pulled the engine and > checked its motor. It was not even hot!! > > As a comparison, we double-headed two AF chassis > Baldwin diesels with the same load of cars (it took > both of them to pull the load with some wheel > slippage, while the PA Heritage chassis never once > slipped). In 10 minutes of operating time, both AC > Gilbert motors were extremely hot. > > Our Club members were greatly impressed with this > chassis. One member was so impressed that he > immediately purchased the demonstrator. Other members > also expressed interest. What a great addition to the > offerings in S gauge. Now I can't wait to see the > TrainMaster. > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines > American Models ########################## S-Helper Service > Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions > joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10750	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: slow Baldwin/336, and Bachman transformer

Baldwin and 336 - might be you want to try dry commutators. Clean out gaps, then with 90% isopropyl on MicroBrush swab comms clean. Assuming good/new clean brushes, springs and brush tubes, you might have better luck. (swab, don't douse with the iso, don't want any down the gaps). Whereas there are products to spray or drip onto commutators and reverse units, I've found if they're clean and everything else is OK (brushes, springs, finger pressure, etc.), they work fine as designed. Bachmann G set transformer - - if it's the same cheesey one that came with our White Christmas set, any model train DC transformer of comparable voltage will do. We've got the G set, HO (with agreat running ACG AF 433 - - there's the Flyer part to this portion of my email), and battery powered Brio around the tree in the living room. With my son's portable n-scale layout nearby, and BusyTown S-Gauge in the basement as always. Yes, I'm taking full advantage of "but Honey, trains and Christmas go together!" PS That Bachmann G-set is actually amazing. For $99 we got a lot of train and fun for our money. Smoke on/off, sound on/off, etc. Don't mind if it gets pine needles on it, our bumped around some on Christmas morning, plus it's built like a tank, and almost as big too. Now officially our annual under-the-tree set. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10751	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit?

Awhile back, I was "tuning up" my 1950 A.F. 290 and discovered that the smoke unit was different than any I have worked on before. Instead of the wire and wick set up that I am most familiar with, it was a tube like devise about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of the ends) and a fabric like mateial covering wire coils beneath it. Instead of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and in the chamber below it. It seems to work well. Perhaps it's not that unusual, I just have never seen a unit like it before nor have I been able to find a similar item in any of the repair parts lists. Thought someone might know something about this and satisify my curiousity. Thanks & Happy Hollidays! Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10752	From: rbubeck327@aol.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Unusual Smoke Unit?

In a message dated 12/19/00 10:22:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, jmessinger@... writes: << Instead of the wire and wick set up that I am most familiar with, it was a tube like devise about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of the ends) and a fabric like mateial covering wire coils beneath it. Instead of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and in the chamber below it. It seems to work well. >> This would fit the description of one type of a Lionel (gasp!) smoke element, which may have been used as a replacement. RB

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10753	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Unusual Smoke Unit?

It's a Lionel and I have one in a 393 that works great. Just lays on the wick, wick is not passed thru it. judy messinger wrote: > > Awhile back, I was "tuning up" my 1950 A.F. 290 and discovered that the > smoke unit was different than any I have worked on before. Instead of the > wire and wick set up that I am most familiar with, it was a tube like devise > about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of > the ends) and a fabric like mateial covering wire coils beneath it. Instead > of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and > in the chamber below it. It seems to work well. Perhaps it's not that > unusual, I just have never seen a unit like it before nor have I been able > to find a similar item in any of the repair parts lists. > > Thought someone might know something about this and satisify my curiousity. > > Thanks & Happy Hollidays! > > Joe Messinger > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10754	From: Rhett T. George	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Locomotive slowing with sparking

- Greeting`S' - A big thank you to Jerry Dobbs for his suggestion regarding a quantitative look at the armature. Yes, 1 to 2 ohms between segments on the commutator seems correct. However when checking for shorts, one wants to see infinite ohms between segment and shaft or 0 motion of the meter needle. Save those armatures. Cheer`S' and Happy Holidays Rhett

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10755	From: sigma@ecn.ab.ca	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Season's Greetings

Here's a wish from your fellow hobbyists in S Canada. May you have a joyous holiday and a wonderful 2001. And may each of you find, in his stocking, the price of the top item on your wish list. Denis Fortier, president Joe Pereira, secretary-treasurer email: sigma@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10756	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: unusual smoke unit

This smoke unit you describe is a Gilbert one, and it's not that unusual. It's usually found in later 336 and other steamers. It was probably put in by a Gilbert service station, since the 290 is too early a loco to have it as original equipment. The nice thing about it is that if the wick is clogged, you just unwrap it from the tubular element and rewrap it in a different place where the fiberglass is in better condition. Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10757	From: Peck	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Am HiRail

<Has anyone had problems with warping in American Hi-Rail shells? > We had that problem with one such shell being chromed. Never have warpage problems with Gilbert shells, but the AHR shells obviously have a lower temperature threshhold. (I don't know if I previously posted this reply or not. I just found it in my "Drafts" folder!) Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10758	From: Dan Brindell	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Reviving smokers

I have read a couple different explanations about reviving smoke units, but one thing I'd still like to know is how do they get fried in the first place? Do they get dried out from: 1) putting the loco in (off-season?) storage with smoke fluid still in the unit, OR 2) running the smoke unit too long without putting fluid in it, OR 3) just from old age, or some other cause I haven't thought of? Anybody know? -----Original Message----- From: david_horn@... <david_horn@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Monday, December 18, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [S-Trains] smoke, and slowing >Smoke: >It's all about flow. Flow of current, smoke fluid, and air. Current flow - >- the five-wire arrangement works best. On Franklins and others that count >on the chassis/tow-bar add a direct wire from the front truck. A smoke coil >of the correct resistance (35-53 ohms) that is not in contact with the metal >chamber is a must. Any doubts, remover leads and measure using VOM. Adjust >the location of the coil or replace it by rewinding a new one on some fresh >wick material. Smoke fluid flow - - a soft wick capable of sustained >capillary action from tip to and through the coil is required. (I'm talking >for no jok'n it's smok'n performance). You can revive a minorly impaired >wick with alcohol, WD-40, track cleaner, etc, down the stack (then let >evaporate overnight, unless you want engine flambe). But I've found you >usually have to open the unit and inspect the wick. If petrified with old >fluid, gently unravel and let soak in a baby food jar of isopropyl alcohol >(kept safely away from flame, spark, etc.). Rinse with water, blow dry with >hair dryer. Should be fluffy again. If too far gone, replace with 2' piece >of new wick and rewind a new coil at it's mid-point. If the wick is >charcoal through the coil. Replace the wick and coil. The type of fluid >can optimize the performance of a good wick and coil combo, but not make up >for any shortcomings with either. I like Lehigh Valley Train Service's >S-Gauge fluid best (but it's no longer made), 99.9% pure lamp oil next best >(some after odor, lace with cedar oil helps), ProtoSmoke next best (made by >LVTS for MTH), and personally find SuperSmoke too thick. Air flow - - must >be unobstructed from entrance to exit. Inspect your system from the drive >gear and bell crank through the stack. Piston and cyclinder should be clean >and make for reliable compression of air into the hole and the forward end >of the cylinder. That hole needs to be unobstructed. The chamber it leads >into, clean and clear of dirt, fuzz, spider webs, etc. The tiny hole from >the Choo-choo chamber into the smoke chamber must also be clear and clean. >The air path through the smoke chamber should be unobstructed as much as >possible even by the wick and coil (pay attention to that as you >reassemble). Obviously the hole at the base of the stack and the stack >itself must be wide open. For SIT models, add to these items an >unobstructed rubber hose of the right diameter, material, length, and path >from the tender through the boiler shell, along with bellows >inspection/repair/replacement and routine motor care. By taking the right >amount of time, precautions, and care you can set off smoke alarms, or chase >mosquitos with an AF smoke unit. Enjoy. > >Slowing: >Assuming clean tender wheels, axle contact points, commutators, brushes, and >reverse unit fingers/drum etc, you very likely have a thinned wire or loose >connection. MOst likely a weaken stranded-wire connection or fatigued >section you can't see inside old cloth insulation. A few strands left >making connection is good enough to get you going, but as current flows >(there's that word again) through the wire, it heats up, and as it heats up >it generates more resistance soon failing to allow enough current to pass >for correct operation (of course until it cools down again). Look for a >poor stranded wire connection. Clip off the old tip, remove some >insulation, tin the freshly exposed wire, and resolder (use flux). If no >better, and you've got an old wire harness, replace the entire harness. If >you still suffer slowing the more you run the engine, try an new old-stock >armature. It could be that the degrading connection is the interface >between your brushes and your commutators. Nothing revives that like a new >pair of brushes, springs, and the fresh commutators of a new armature. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10759	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Train Night before Christmas. . .

Hi all, This may break "netiquet" but I thought you'd all appreciate this posting from the Toytrains list. S' David D. Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:26:20 -0600 From: "Rick & Vicki Martens" <martens3@...> Subject: Night Before Christmas............ 'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through my pike, > > Not a steamer was stirring, not even a Mike. > >My yard tracks invitingly empty and bare, > > In hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there. > > > >The diesels were nestled all snug in their sheds, > > While visions of DCC danced in their heads. > >While I, in my blue-and-white engineer's cap, > > Had just settled down for a long winter's nap, > > > >When down in the train room, there rose such a clatter, > > I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter. > >Away to the basement I flew like an ace, > > Tripped over the cat and fell flat on my face. > > > >I stifled a curse meant for Chessie (the cat), > > And I muttered to no one, "I meant to do that," > >When what to my wondering eyes should appear, > > But an HO-scale sleigh and eight Preiser reindeer, > > > >With an engineer driving, so lively and quick, > > I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick. > >More rapid than GG-1's, onward they came, > > And he blew a steam whistle and called them by name: > > > >"On Athearn! On Lionel, Kato and Walthers! > > On Kadee and Micro-Trains, Atlas and others! > >To the top of the mountains of Hydrocal plaster, > > Now dash away, dash away, dash away faster!" > > > >As dry leaves that behind a new Genesis fly, > > When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky, > >So in through the window the coursers they flew > > With the sleigh full of trains, and St. Nicholas too. > > > >And then, on my roundhouse, I saw on the roof > > The prints in the dust of each HO-scale hoof. > >As I drew a deep breath, and was turning around, > > From beneath the benchwork, St. Nick came with a bound. > > > >He was dressed like an engineer from head to foot, > > And his clothes had that fine smell of ashes and soot; > >A bundle of trains he had flung on his back, > > And he looked like a peddler just opening his pack. > > > >His eyes - just like marker lights! Dimples, how merry! > > His cheeks like a Warbonnet, nose like a cherry! > >His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow, > > And his beard was so white, it would please Phoebe Snow. > > > >He puffed on a pipe as he refilled its bowl, > > And the smoke, it smelled just like bituminous coal. > >He had a broad face and a belly (I found) > > That shook like a tank car with wheels out-of-round. > > > >He was chubby and plump, and I wanted to shout, > > "Yes! The man's got a route the UP can't buy out!" > >A wink of his eye as he passed near the door > > Soon gave me to know I'd have freight cars galore. > > > >He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work. > > He filled all my yard tracks; then turned with a jerk, > >And leaving an airbrush he'd found on eBay, > > And giving a nod, he returned to his sleigh. > > > >He pumped up the brakes, blew two blasts on his whistle, > > And away they all flew like the down of a thistle. > >But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight, > > "HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL! KEEP 'EM ROLLING! GOOD-NIGHT!" > > Merry Christmas Everyone Rick

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10760	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit... Thanks!

Thanks to all who responded to my question about the smoke unit. The 290 (set) I mentioned is my first electric train. Got it for Christmas, 1950. I don't recall the loco ever being sent in for repairs, but Tom J. mentioned that the 290 is too early for that type unit. What ever the reason for it being in my 290, it works great. As a matter of fact, the 290 with cars (2-650's & 1-651- green) is chugging around our Christmas tree in the living room right now. After 50 years the loco can still set off the smoke alarm in the hall. Pretty neat, huh? (My wife isn't impressed...) Any one know of a source for new units like this one? Thanks again and Merry Christmas to all. Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10761	From: john foley	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: NMRA ST LOUIS

NEWS FLASH. THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION of S GAUGERS has voted to sponsor two layouts to be setup at the NMRA's National Train Show at their annual convention in St Louis this July at the Trans World Dome. The Cuyahoga Vally S Gauge Association will be bring their large S/Sn3 layout. Also Tom Robinson will be setting up his Hirail layout. Tom has won many awards for his layout at train shows The NASG will have our booth setup right across from the layouts [ Booths 407-08 ] right near some of our S manufacturers. So if you are attending stop by and say hello and see what's happening. For show information go to this address http://www.tfs.net/~jashaw/nmra/conven.html John Foley NASG VP

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10762	From: M.McConnell	Date: 12/19/2000
Subject: Re: Sound Systems

I use the MRC unit on my layout, and am pleased with the performance. I feel the Flyer engines are much more responsive with slow speeds and have smoother starts. There are a few things you should know, however. The maximum power output for accessories is 14v AC. Some of the Flyer accessories can get cranky working on a voltage less than 15-18 volts, such as the sawmill and the Mystic Station (ie, the record plays slower, the sawmill must be in good operating condition or it jams easily). You can get around that by using a separate Flyer transformer to power the accessories. Some of the accessories performance are improved, (ie, the coal unloading car doesn't throw the coal over 3 square feet of layout - it actually lands in the bin). The built-in sound controller works with SHS, American models and Lionel, but as someone has noted earlier, I also have an AM Alco PB that only works running in one direction. Turning the unit around causes the bell to ring continuously. I suspect it may be a problem of tolerances since my B&O steam engine from AM works just fine in either direction. The power applied to the track is pulsed DC rather than pure AC, that causes original AF diesel horn units to "blow the horn" continuously (the pulsed DC must look a lot like holding down the button on the sound generator control). I haven't tried my 314 yet, but I suspect it may have the same problem. If none of these "idiosyncrasies" are cause for alarm, you should enjoy the power pak. >Message: 9 >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:46:11 EST >From: TPDavis7@... >Subject: Sound Systems > >HELP!! Does anyone know if the new MRC Throttle Pack 027 will activate the >American Models, Lionel Flyer and the new S Helper Service sound systems >bells, whistles and horns? Thanks, Tom Davis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10763	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Someone I know has a Virus, Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs

HI all, I just got a message from "HaHa" Titled "Snow White & the Seven Dwarfs-the real story" This is a virus that sends itself from your computer. Does it cleverly enough I couldn't easily figure out from whom. Fortunately, I recognized an unknown sender, and did not open the attachement, which is an *.exe file, and that would have given me the virus! Got to "Sexyfun.net" and you'll get some information on how to remove the virus. This is the phoney return address the virus uses, and someone has set up an information site there. Good luck! Sincerely, David Dewey

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10764	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: All Aboard panels

Could anyone in the group describe what the All Aboard panel clips look like, and how do they fasten the panels together? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10765	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: New #41 Model Photos Posted

Howdy Friends And happy holidays!!!! We are in the Christmas spirit here in FL with temps dropping down into the 20's... dang cold for us southerners. And just like a kid on Christmas, we are excited about the new photos we just got from our builder in New Zealand. Take a look at http://www.btsrr.com/bts6101.htm, and follow the link to the Pilot Model Photos. We are expecting to receive the #41 models shortly. Our builder is a wee bit frustrated with the subcontractor who makes the wheels; seems he is about eight weeks behind on the order. So, after the first of the year, we will be making our own wheels so we will be able to eliminate one source of delay. We appreciate your patience with us! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10766	From: Joseph R. Craig	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: power packs and sound systems

My only experience with sound systems is a Lionel G set. The instructions have an important requirement that the DC to the track has to be unfiltered so as not to interfere with the superimposed DC sound signals. I found that my best option was to build a two circuit bridge rectifier unit (unfiltered) which is conected to my AF 30B. It provides more than enough power for the layout's two trains and the sounds are perfect. Do not know if this applies at all to S sound systems, but might.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10767	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Wicked wicks

In the absence of scientific study, I would say two things are probably the primary causes of a wick's eventual demise. First, getting run a long time without any smoke fluid ("you can run that thing as long as it doesn't smoke" - ouch). Ergo the charcoal section of wick in the coil which fails to pass much fluid. Secondly, it was run with fluid, but then sat around without getting operated for a looong time. The fluid evaporates, congeals and nearly solidifies with the wick into that hard mass you find inside some units. And I guess there's always the "smoke fluid, whatta rip off, this ought work just as well" and who know what was poured down the stack 30 years or more ago - - furniture polish, 3-in-1 oil, Pepsi, whatever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10768	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Wicked wicks

david_horn@... wrote: > And I guess there's always the "smoke fluid, whatta rip off, this > ought work just as well" and who know what was poured down the stack 30 > years or more ago - - furniture polish, 3-in-1 oil, Pepsi, whatever. Interesting this just came up, as I just serviced the smoke unit on a 302 this past weekend for my cousin. Who knows what someone put in this unit. There was no wick or wire material in the top half (probably pulled out), but the bottom was more like a soggy goo material that appeared to have been more like a cotton type fiber than the normal fiberglass. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10769	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: AF MERGER SET

Hi, Anyone know the value or price of a AF/LTI Merger set. The engine, Tank Tank, and caboose. Are they still avail? Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10770	From: donabrams	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Manoil 707s again

Just got variation no. 11. It's a sky blue with silver grille and bumpers. Don P.S. I concur with the assesment on the 290 smoke unit. It must've hit a repair shop to get a replacement smoke unit. Late 3 digit and 5 digit steamers have smoke units like this.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10771	From: Jim Hannawald	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Truck Rivets

Does anyone out there know the Part # for the truck rivets used on the AF 631 Gondola with link couplers and a inner truck weight? PA9988 has the needed shoulder length but not enough length to roll over to hold both the truck frame and weight. Thanks Jim Hannawald

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10772	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

<tube like devise about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of the ends) and a fabric like mateial covering wire coils beneath it. Instead of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and in the chamber below it. > Those elements were also used in the Franklin, Docksider, and HO smoke units. Repair shop probably used one for a repair on your engine at one time. We carry those elements, particularly for repair on the above listed engines. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10773	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: panel clips

<Could anyone in the group describe what the All Aboard panel clips look like, and how do they fasten the panels together? > They're sort of like an opened-up, l-o-n-g extended paper clip. They snap into the eyelet holes between the rails at the end of each track section, holding the panels together as well as providing an electrical connection for the yellow wires underneath. We had repro clips made, and have plenty on hand. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10774	From: Peck	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Snow White

I got the Snow White message too, but my McAfee picked it right up and deleted it before it could be opened. If you don't already have some sort of virus protection, I swear by McAfee............it's only about $29/year, if I remember right, and mine is set up to update itself on-line every night at 8 PM, automatically, for anything new that has come along! Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10775	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/20/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit

A friend of mine who worked at the local train store put me onto the Lionel smoke element. It comes presassembled in a coil shape with solderable leads at both ends. It easily fits into the Flyer smoke unit which mounts the element along the long axis of the engine. I set it into the wick material so the wick contacts it well to provide fluid to heat. It has run continuously in a 303 at several train shows putting out lots of smoke and was easy to install. Paid $3 for it. Peck wrote: > > <tube like devise > about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of > the ends) and a fabric like mateial covering wire coils beneath it. Instead > of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and > in the chamber below it. > > > Those elements were also used in the Franklin, Docksider, and HO smoke > units. Repair shop probably used one for a repair on your engine at one > time. > We carry those elements, particularly for repair on the above listed > engines. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10776	From: Nick and Becky Colleran	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit?

I discovered one of these in a 313 (1956) that I purchased from the original owner about 18 years ago. It appeared original in that the soldering looked "factory". Unfortunately, my repair inspection was 15 years after I bought, and too late to asked had it been replaced by a service station at some time. (I once had a 342 with knuckle trucks that looked factory original and was told it was a repair station change.) The element had the wick draped across the coil and it had separated (burnt in half). Replacing the wick did not produce a result as good as when I replace an original style with a new coil and wick. ________________________________________________________________________ >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:20:34 > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> >Subject: Unusual Smoke Unit? > >Awhile back, I was "tuning up" my 1950 A.F. 290 and discovered that the >smoke unit was different than any I have worked on before. Instead of the >wire and wick set up that I am most familiar with, it was a tube like devise >about 3/4" long. Has metal caps on the ends with wires extending out (of >the ends) and a fabric like material covering wire coils beneath it. Instead >of a wick, it has a, cotton like, wadding packed around the smoke unit and >in the chamber below it. It seems to work well. Perhaps it's not that >unusual, I just have never seen a unit like it before nor have I been able >to find a similar item in any of the repair parts lists. > >Thought someone might know something about this and satisify my curiousity. > >Thanks & Happy Hollidays! > >Joe Messinger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10777	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer & other S-gauge video

Great news today, the wait is over and I received the new AF and other S Gauge Video! You certainly get your moneys worth! I found the All American Flyer layout, and the section on the modular club layout very interesting. Hope you will be encouraged to produce more! I also hope it will encourage others in areas where there are several S gauge layouts to film them so others can enjoy then via video. I wish I had the room for a massive layout, but my pike is only about 7'5 x8' in size. Using a folded dog bone and trestles I have maximized my main line and have room for a yard, passenger stations, and several accessories. I would love to see what others are doing in limited space in future videos.. Steve, keep those videos coming!! Michael Christensen Boss31@... wrote: > Yours was mailed 12/11 > > Hope you enjoy it...Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10778	From: W. Thomas Boussum	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Basements, chads, etc.

Terry, A basement is a room under the homes of us of "northern persuasion" that is literally indispensible wherein we have such things as heating and laundry equipment; bars; pool tables; 'S' (or other gauges) layouts; habitation for assorted critters from the wild; and missing chads. (Sorry about that last item. I just couldn't help myself. :-) ) W. Thomas Boussum in Pennsylvania PS I really don't need a PRR Consolidation in brass. I have a Flyer O gauge shell that I plan to kitbash into an H8. :If you want to bake an apple pie from scratch, you must start by creating the universe." Carl Sagan in "Cosmos" >Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:08:27 -0500 > From: "Terry Harrison" <terryharr@...> >Subject: RE: next project >John, > What's a basement? >Terry in Orlando

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10779	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: AF MERGER SET

...and what is the cost of the Nickel Plate Set, the LTI one with the two geeps? Are they also available and where from? Thanks, Wayne anormal1@... wrote: > > Hi, > Anyone know the value or price of a AF/LTI Merger set. The engine, Tank > Tank, and caboose. Are they still avail? > > Mike S. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10780	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: LTI- Nickel Palte Set

Does anyone know what is the cost of the Nickel Plate Set, the LTI one with the two geeps? Are they also available and where from? Thanks, Wayne

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10781	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: American Flyer & other S-gauge video

Merry Christmas all, My copy arrived also!! Could only glance at it while working on my nephew's train set gift, but looks great, can't wait for a quiet hour to sit down and really enjoy it! All I can say is "MORE!" S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10782	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re-railer ?

Dear S-gauge Panel, I have a question for all.I recently seen a "thing" produced by A.F.called a re-railer.Does anyone know what this does ? I'm a pretty big A.F.fan and I have never heard of such a thing.If anyone knows.please e mail me or post it. Merry Christmas to all.........Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10783	From: Col Gregory S. Zaniewski	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Assistance Please

My Dad gave me his toy trains this summer. I am in the process of restoring them, however, I need help identifying one of them. It is an all metal (tin?) train, with a steel gray loco bearing "Lionel 1688E" on the side. It runs great. I have purchased both AF and Lionel operating and servicing manuals, but I don't see this one listed. Can anybody out there to give this rookie a hand? By the way, I realize I am on the S email group, but I can't find a similar email listserve for Lionel. (979) 845-7611 (F) (979) 845-3619

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10784	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: S-video

Wow, I'm humbled by all the kind words via email and phone calls I have received. Thank you all very much. By popular demand (where have I heard that before)? I have purchased another 50 tapes and they will start coming off the production line the middle of next week. For some of you that have inquired and some who may not have known of the video, they are available again. The first 100 went quickly and there are two dealers out there that have copies to sell also. I really look forward to bringing out the next one. I have already started it and have about 15 minutes of a layout under construction from bare walls to track being laid and tested. It is a Digitrax system and very interesting. It is also a large layout (by my standards) that is 24X24. I hope to be able to include video of a collection that has one of everything Gilbert made including all versions and the rare cars and Locos. e.g. G. Fox , 332 DC sit, Pathfinder sets, Trail Blazer sets etc. If I can get this one I plan to do lots of close ups of individual pieces and sets. Thanks again to all...... Steve Blackburn TCA, NASG, RMHR Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10785	From: Tom Stolte	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: New Decals from Oddballs Decals - N, S, HO & O scales

591 CB&Q 3500 cuft dry flow. (1-61) Painted light gray. Series 85300-85399. Eastern Car Works kit. Set will letter one car. Black, red & white lettering. 592 CB&Q 2 bay ACF covered hopper. (7-68) Painted light gray. Series 183900-183987. Intermountain kit. Set will letter one car. Black, red & white lettering. 593 CB&Q or FW&D ACF 3 bay covered hopper. (12-76) Painted light gray. Series CB&Q 185150-185349. FW&D 3151-3250. Set will letter one car. Black, red & white lettering. Accurail kit. 594 CB&Q Pullman Standard 3 bay covered hopper. (3-68) Painted light gray. Series 184950-185149. Set will letter one car. Black, red & white lettering. Athearn kit. 595 SBGX, Scoular 3 bay covered hopper. (4-64) Painted reefer yellow. Black ends & underframe. Set will letter one car. Con-Cor kit. Black & white lettering. The N scale sets will letter 2 or 3 cars. S & O scale will letter 1 car. All the above decals refer to HO scale kits on the market. These will also work for other scales. Just pick a car of your choice in the other scales. Prefix numbers for N scale 60-. HO scale 87-. S scale 64-. O scale 48-. N & HO scale retail price $3.00. S & O scale retail price $6.00. These should be in your favorite hobby shop within the next month. If ordering direct, please include $1.75 for p&h. Up to date catalog N, HO, S & O scale, $5.00. You buy this catalog once, then every 3 months or so, send me a LSSAE for updates. Fits in a 3 ring binder. -- Tom Stolte - Oddballs Decals The Herald King of Kansas N, HO, S & O Scale Model Railroad Decals 26550 227th Street; McLouth, Kansas 66054 Phone: 913-727-6649 - oddballdecal@... Web site http://www.oddballsdecals.com/ Subscribe: OddballsDecals-subscribe@egroups.com Missouri Pacific Photos Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/mopac/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10786	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

Bob, They look just like a HO rerailer only with Flyer track. I've bought several at about $15 each, but I have seen them sell for as much as $25. Not a super common item, but they are out there. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Bob Sylsbury wrote: > Dear S-gauge Panel, > I have a question for all.I recently seen a "thing" > produced by A.F.called a re-railer.Does anyone know what this does ? > I'm a pretty big A.F.fan and I have never heard of such a thing.If > anyone knows.please e mail me or post it. > Merry Christmas to all.........Bob > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10787	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

It's a piece of track with a black plastic base that is made to look like a road crossing. The plastic is shaped so the trucks usually rerail themselves if pulled thru it in a train. Also handy for manually placing individual cars on the track and having them end up on the rails. Bob Sylsbury wrote: > > Dear S-gauge Panel, > I have a question for all.I recently seen a "thing" > produced by A.F.called a re-railer.Does anyone know what this does ? > I'm a pretty big A.F.fan and I have never heard of such a thing.If > anyone knows.please e mail me or post it. > Merry Christmas to all.........Bob > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10788	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

Hi There, Yes, this item is a single piece of flyer track, absent the ties, with a black molded plastic "skirt" surrounding the rails. Using it to place rolling stock on the track requires one to use a side-to-side motion with the car while allowing the wheel trucks to position themselves on this track (just put the car on this track and "rocking" the car back and forth)---result---a track mounted car with little effort. My question is: do these have a tendency to uncouple Shelper and AM stock? I left my rerailer out of my layout because I had that problem--any comments? John R

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10789	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

If you have some of the AM older couplers with the tab hanging down too low they can drag on the rerailer similar to what they do on a switch. AM recommends bending these tabs up. I recommend putting a washer between the truck bolster and coupler to elevate the coupler (and car, unfortunately) a bit. The problem is usually solved with about 1/32" or less spacing and really not that obvious in car height. Ktrdd@... wrote: > > Hi There, > Yes, this item is a single piece of flyer track, absent the ties, with a > black molded plastic "skirt" surrounding the rails. Using it to place > rolling stock on the track requires one to use a side-to-side motion with the > car while allowing the wheel trucks to position themselves on this track > (just put the car on this track and "rocking" the car back and > forth)---result---a track mounted car with little effort. My question is: > do these have a tendency to uncouple Shelper and AM stock? I left my > rerailer out of my layout because I had that problem--any comments? > > John R > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10790	From: Thor	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Merry Yule! Some holiday fun for you!

Merry Yule from The All Gauge Model Railroading Page First, official business: work continues to get the S gauge section going. I have also posted more Narrow Gauge pics, with some close shots of details. These are photos of real trains, and may be useful to the kitbashers and scratchbuilders. Unofficially, for your amusement, I have posted Realplayer videos. One set shows our Holiday layout this year under the tree - I believe it's a trolley we ran the first nite. Second, under "Electric Trains, the Yule Tree and A Stubborn cat", see Leif the Lucky chasing and being chased by the train under the Yule tree. We had to use a Williams GP9 with True-Blast horn to keep him from making a nest under there. Under "Crazy cats" see Leif chasing and being chased by a #671 S2 on the layout-in-progress upstairs. For the kids, we have free downloadable diorama kits for a Yule Village, Winter Station and train under our Free Holiday Dioramas. These are paper kits. We also have other downloadable Town & Village kits that will make entire dioramas with 20 to 30 different structures each. These paper kits make full-color, 3D strauctures and they are free (like everything else on site) For your layout, we have Yule billboards under the Free Donwload section. For the kids, in the Children's Section, is a downloadable Board Game called The Brick Mine Railway game - it prints out into a board, playing pieces, spinner, etc. (The game is based on our Garden Railway - you can see it on our site, too) Next to it, the Engineer Train game is one you can do with your own trains, or use the playing pieces we made. It's an updated version of a game Marx used to have on its paper in the 1930s. We did new pictures and included downloadable playing pieces. For all ages. For your amusement, two articles in the Humor section: The Baltimore and Ohio railroad, and The Hudson Tubes. Both are humorous tales of holiday shopping in 1960, with travel by train. And yes, they actually happened. Our site is still undergoing a massive update, with new articles and photos. http://thortrains.hypermart.net Wishing a Safe and Merry Yule to you and yours, Thor and Audrey The All Gauge Model Railroading Page at http://thortrains.hypermart.net

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10791	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

Hi Bob, The "rerailer" is a section of straight track that's made to look like a grade crossing. It has guides on it that will rerail a slightly off-track truck. It also develops "sunk" rails, so the center can uncouple cars too! Don't think that was the intent of ACG, though! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10792	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/21/2000
Subject: Re: Assistance Please

Hi Col. This is a prewar loco, still sold post-war, an 0-27 steam loco, 2-6-2 made from '36 to '46. (probably none made from '42-'45) You should be able to find parts for it. S' David D. PS Notice I didn't even use the "L" word in the whole post!! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10793	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: S Pewer Figures

Profits has 1/2 price sale on Liberty Falls Hand Painted S figures. I bought AH222P and AH223. Their WEB Site is www.libertyfalls.com Merry Christmas Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10794	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

David, thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten about "sunk rails". My fix for that was to prop up the rails with shims in the offending area. If the rails sink enough you'll notice tender pickups riding on the plastic instead of on the metal rail, causing reverse units to trip. Of course for shims to be effective the rerailer needs to be mounted securely. David Dewey wrote: > > Hi Bob, > The "rerailer" is a section of straight track that's made to look like a > grade crossing. It has guides on it that will rerail a slightly off-track > truck. It also develops "sunk" rails, so the center can uncouple cars too! > Don't think that was the intent of ACG, though! > S' > David D. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10795	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: train video

When I got home from work yesterday, here in Salt Lake City....to my pleasant surprise was the AF video from Steve Blackburn. After dinner, I built a fire in the fireplace...plugged in the video and had a wonderful evening of watching AF trains and S scale trains. WOW! I could not believe the AF collection of that guy in Boise Idaho, or the S Scale layout of Ernie Horrs, or the S scale layout of that guy who owned all the timber land in Idaho. He turned the whole upper level of his house into a S scale layout. I have never seen such realistic mountains and trees on ANY layout!! Thanks Steve! Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10796	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: PA every day

If you want a PA to show you the way (at least on your PC). Go to http://cometcursor.cometsystems.com/ , download their utility, and select "Lionel Train" cursors. I'm no diesel expert, but the SF SChief looks more like an AF PA to me than the traditional E series Lionel engines. Enjoy, and Merry Christmas. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10797	From: Wayne Broadhead	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, and I hope everyone has a wonderful AF year! Enjoy: http://home.fuse.net/christol/MC.html Wayne Broadhead

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10798	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Erector Loco

Who can provide me with some information about the American Flyer Erector Set locomotive? When was it made? Did it have a catalog number? What numbered locos is it the same as or closest to? What is its approximate value? Thanks, and have a Happy Holiday Season. Joe P.S. The demand for the Ace journal bushings has been overwhelming. I sold out my first 200 and have 400 more coming next week. If you ordered recently, they will be there soon. ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10799	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Happy Holidays to all!!!!

.....and a Merry Christmas to me!! Got my computer back and I'm back on line!!!! Rick(BIG smile on my face!)Evans :-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10800	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10801	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: Re: Erector Loco

Joe, I need more info. Are you talking about the loco that was included in an Erector set or the loco, tender box car and caboose that could be built using Erector set parts? All the info is in the two volume set on Erector sets from Greenberg, but you just need to be more specific so I can get you the info. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO Joseph Haenn wrote: > Who can provide me with some information about the > American Flyer Erector Set locomotive? When was it > made? Did it have a catalog number? What numbered > locos is it the same as or closest to? What is its > approximate value? > > Thanks, and have a Happy Holiday Season. > > Joe > > P.S. The demand for the Ace journal bushings has been > overwhelming. I sold out my first 200 and have 400 > more coming next week. If you ordered recently, they > will be there soon. > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines > American Models ########################## S-Helper Service > Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions > joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10802	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/22/2000
Subject: SIDEFRAMES

HI Guys, Has anyone had any luck repairing a Geep sideframe? Mine has broken clean in two. Can thes be glued, soldered, or any other method? Thanks, Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10803	From: Bob Sylsbury	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Trestle Sizes ?

Dear S-Panel, I have another question that I hope someone can help me with.Instead of using a trestle set I'm going to build an embankment.I need to now the heights of the trestles.I think they start out at a half of an inch(1)and go up to fives inches(13),but I need the sizes that they rise to (in between trestle heights).Please e mail me or post the answer.Thanks once again..........Bob

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10804	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Trestle Sizes ?

Dear Bob, If you have not considered the woodland scenics sub terrain risers, you should. We use this on our display layout and it works great. The 4% rise is about the same as flyer. The foam trestle is accordion folded so that it can take any radius. They are inexpensive and can be permanently glued to your layout with hot glue, we use double sticky tape for our display and use it over and over. It works on our track system which is the same width as AF rubber roadbed so it should work with AF too! Information can be found at: http://www.woodlandscenics.com/index.ihtml?p=/s1.HTM Don Thompson Bob Sylsbury wrote: > Dear S-Panel, > I have another question that I hope someone can help me > with.Instead of using a trestle set I'm going to build an > embankment.I need to now the heights of the trestles.I think they > start out at a half of an inch(1)and go up to fives inches(13),but I > need the sizes that they rise to (in between trestle heights).Please > e mail me or post the answer.Thanks once again..........Bob > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10805	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Trestle Sizes ?

Dear Bob, These are the inclines. http://www.woodlandscenics.com/preload.htm Don T. Don Thompson wrote: > Dear Bob, > If you have not considered the woodland scenics sub terrain risers, you > should. We use this on our display layout and it works great. The 4% rise is > about the same as flyer. The foam trestle is accordion folded so that it can > take any radius. They are inexpensive and can be permanently glued to your > layout with hot glue, we use double sticky tape for our display and use it over > and over. It works on our track system which is the same width as AF rubber > roadbed so it should work with AF too! Information can be found at: > > http://www.woodlandscenics.com/index.ihtml?p=/s1.HTM > > Don Thompson > > Bob Sylsbury wrote: > > > Dear S-Panel, > > I have another question that I hope someone can help me > > with.Instead of using a trestle set I'm going to build an > > embankment.I need to now the heights of the trestles.I think they > > start out at a half of an inch(1)and go up to fives inches(13),but I > > need the sizes that they rise to (in between trestle heights).Please > > e mail me or post the answer.Thanks once again..........Bob > > -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10806	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

Dear John, We routinely use a AF re-railer in all of our display layouts without experiencing a problem with our couplers uncoupling. We use it as a re-railer to add cars to the layout, show that our track can be incorporated in existing AF layouts and to show how our AF track adapter pins are used to connect to AF track. It is also a great little hero for our layout as anyone who has AF can spot that one item in our layout and come over to check it out. Don T. Ktrdd@... wrote: > Hi There, > Yes, this item is a single piece of flyer track, absent the ties, with a > black molded plastic "skirt" surrounding the rails. Using it to place > rolling stock on the track requires one to use a side-to-side motion with the > car while allowing the wheel trucks to position themselves on this track > (just put the car on this track and "rocking" the car back and > forth)---result---a track mounted car with little effort. My question is: > do these have a tendency to uncouple Shelper and AM stock? I left my > rerailer out of my layout because I had that problem--any comments? > > John R > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10807	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: odds & ends

I updated the links page http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/links/links.htm I added (among other links) the new S-Displays page link, James Ingram has developed this page and is looking for input. With all this talk about Computer Virus, I would like to recomend that everybody with a PC invest some money in a protection software. I do this as part of my work so I know a bit about it. I suggest you use the Mcafee online service, it costs about $29 a year and is almost completely automatic. It checks for updates everyday. I too enjoyed the new video, I plan on watching it several more times, there is lots of good information and fun on that tape. I will be out-of-town on Sunday night, hope you guys have a 'good' chat. I purchased one of the S-Helper started sets, My parents are enjoying it as part of their christmas display. I am looking forward to after the holidays when I can 'play' with it. (SW-1 / Seacoast) They love it, hope they remember it was a loan. Got a new camera , Sony cybershot S-70, I hope to shoot some pictures soon. Layout UPdate, I have been too busy to touch it. More pictures soon. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10808	From: Peck	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: GP repair

<Has anyone had any luck repairing a Geep sideframe? Mine has broken clean in two. Can thes be glued, soldered, or any other method? > Usually, those sideframes break at the thin part of the casting where it is open on both sides...........a very weak spot in the casting. I've never had much success repairing breaks on those "struts". Subsequent operation and vibration just breaks them apart again. Good, HARD-metal castings are available for replacing these sideframes. We had these made ourselves, rather than carry the less-expensive soft-metal castings that bend (or break!) with just finger pressure! We also had PA sideframes done the same way. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10809	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: holidays

I just want to wish each and every one of you a happy holiday season. This list and the people on it have been big fun all year. Thanks! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10810	From: bilfrazier@aol.com	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Sideframes

In a message dated 12/23/00 5:42:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, S-Trains@egroups.com writes: > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:57:23 EST > From: anormal1@... > Subject: SIDEFRAMES > > HI Guys, > Has anyone had any luck repairing a Geep sideframe? Mine > has > broken clean in two. Can thes be glued, soldered, or any other method? > Thanks, > Mike S. > > > I have successfully repaired damaged sideframes of all types with epoxy. They cannot be soldered. Bill Frazier [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10811	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: AF Re-Railer

We had the same problem with the AF Rerailer when using AM locos on my Atlantic Coast S Gauge module with two rereailer (one for each mainline). We solved it by placing toothpicks beneath the rails, effectively removing the sag of the rails by slighlty lowering the middle rerailer section. They now work flawlessly. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10812	From: Peck	Date: 12/23/2000
Subject: Re: MEW

Anyone heard what happened with the auction of the Model Engineering Works business in KC? I heard the auction was to take place about 2-3 weeks ago, following John Carlson's death. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10813	From: Ted R Larson	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: The SCALE Card and misc. comments

http://www.thescalecard.com/ I ordered from the above manufacturer, and a small ooops created some shipping confusion. The manufacturer went out of his way to make sure that he was shipping the right item, right quantity, to the right locations. GREAT customer service. Its my pleasure to say I've had similar way-above average service from des Plaines Hobbies. Also, his product is VERY nice. I came across this interesting site devoted to modeling with cardstock, something that some S modelers do for building construction. http://www.cardfaq.org/faq/ Looking for modeling information or suppliers from other modeling hobbies? http://www.buffnet.net/~tonym/models.htm http://www.psmescale.com/ > to avoid the use of wipers for track power. I saw a turntable article that suggested using a phone plug and jack as the center pivot point, and route power through the plug to avoid the need for wipers. Ted Larson Merry Christmas! http://members.localnet.com/~tclarson/lttr2000.htm ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10814	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Short Update

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/s_trax/part6/Update_12_2000.html Not much change from the last pictures. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10815	From: mhrr@skypoint.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Ore you ready

After whining to Don Thompson for over 24 years about the lack of an S scale ore car, I have finally been given the opportunity to make good on my desire to have a string of these on the MHRy. I am forming a Ore car production project with the support of SHS. In short, if I get the commitments that will make the project a go, they will make it. Don's request is 100 people commiting to 3 six car sets at 199.00 each. Because I know some of us need more than 3 sets and some may want fewer, I will coordinate to let people who need one or two sets the opportunity to participate. Don feels that 2003 is the delivery date but when pressed, he seems to think this can be done fster if the interest is there. I will be posting more information on this list as well as in the Dispatch and Gaugian. Please contact me directly if you need more information. I will be traveling much of January, for work 8-(, so if I don't get right back to you it is not that I am a slacker. Give it some thought, it is one more of the advantages we have in S. We can influence our manufacturers and participate in making the market. Try that in half zero! Ken Zieska

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10816	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: All Aboard

As you may know I am trying to put together an All Aboard set for my grandson's Christmas. It will be his first real train, but I am sure getting a lesson in frustration. The idea of this set was good, but not sure how practical it is. The plastic ties have cracks & do not always lie flat. The pins do not seal well & I am having trouble getting the train to run consistently around the track without stalling. Also, one switch secion is acting up. Has anyone had similar problems with these. If so, I could sure use some good ideas as Christmas is coming up fast. (I do have several days yet since we will not see him till later in the week). Thanks for any advice you can give me! Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10817	From: boss31@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas

I just wanted to wish everyone a happy holiday season and to thank them for the opportunity to make the S-gauge video and distribute it all over the US and Canada. Even had one go to Scandinavia. The whole concept was all of you folks idea. I was just going to make a couple of copies of my own for some people that were wishing for some different video to look at and it turned into an avalanche. I really look forward now to doing it again, and I promise you some great stuff with better lighting. I have approached a person who has every set and set version that AC Gilbert made in S-gauge and have a tentative agreement to video the entire collection. There is nothing in it that is in less than excellent condition. I am going to focus on each Loco and each of the rarer rolling stock. I will have video of a new layout under construction with some new ideas for table top and roadbed. I may even include some of my own which is under reconstruction. It is only 14X16 but I am trying to make it interesting. Again thanks to all of you. It made a fun Fall and gave me something to do besides fly a desk all day. God bless and keep you all Steve Blackburn Boise, Idaho [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10818	From: busyboy	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: New Address

PLEASE TAKE NOTE: I have a new e-mail address. It is busyboy@... Note there is NO hyphen between "busy" and "boy" and the service has changed. Please update your address books. My old address busy-boy@... will expire on January 15, 2001 Thanks, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10819	From: ironhors@swbell.net	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW

Doug, I am going to have to nose around on this one. I have lived here in Kansas City since 1969, and never heard of any connection between MEW and this area. The ads I have, at least as far back as the 1957 MR I am looking at now, give a Monrovia, Calif. address. Kansas City does have a S scale mfr. history, though. Before I came here, there was a man named F. A. Simons, who produced rather primitive tank car, stock car, and possibly others, under the name Kansas City Kits; they were all wood, had no hardware, and sold for less than a buck each. Yes, I have a few. Also, there was a Phil Deerr here who apparently had a connection to NorthEastern Models, but have never met him, and I am very hazy on that one--DICK WHOLF PLEASE HELP. DJE Peck wrote: > Anyone heard what happened with the auction of the Model Engineering Works > business in KC? > I heard the auction was to take place about 2-3 weeks ago, following John > Carlson's death. > > Doug Peck > Port Lines Hobby Supplies > 6 Storeybrooke Drive > Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 > Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST > 978-465-8798 > 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). > http://www.portlines.com > portlines@... > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10820	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Next couple days

I will be monitoring my email via Yahoo's 800 number. 1-800-MyYahoo You can send me email by addressing it to s_trains@... or leave voice mail by calling 1-800-MyYahoo , my account number is 998-999-1000 (just think of it as three consecutive numbers) Have a safe holiday! And have lots of fun! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10821	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: A few simple questions during the holidays.....

Happy Holidays to all, Boy, it's good to be back! Just a couple of simple questions. #1....What causes my ol' 282 to make more static on the TV more than my 21085, or my other locos for that matter?? ((kinda reminds me of when I was a kid, and before cable TV hit our town, certain cars driving by would cause static on the TV,...everyone said only FORDS did that!!)) #2....Why does my 21085 chug MUCH louder than my 282?? I am assuming that worn out little electrical motors and chuggers are the problems,...just wanted to hear some opinions. And I didn't have any REAL important questions to ask!! Ooops!! forgot one... I am running two trains under the Christmas tree on two small loops, thought I noticed some arcing under one of the track terminals, felt the terminal and it was quite hot! Left a small burnt spot on the white sheet. (where's that Fire Dept. number again?) Replaced it with another terminal, no problems now. #3....what would cause this to happen?? One piece felt a little loose on the terminal, but couldn't see anything wrong. Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10822	From: Peck	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW

<<I have lived here in Kansas City since 1969, and never heard of any connection between MEW and this area. The ads I have, at least as far back as the 1957 MR I am looking at now, give a Monrovia, Calif. address. >> Model Engineering Works; 12600 Frost Road; KC, MO 64138 I did business with John (Carlson) for several years. He made some very high quality parts....mostly prewar AF and Lionel. Died suddenly aboout 2 months ago. Then about 3-4 weeks ago, I received an auction notice that the entire business was going to be auctioned as a single "lot"............inventory, tooling, materials, etc.......and I believe it took place perhaps 2 weeks ago. Doug Peck Port Lines Hobby Supplies 6 Storeybrooke Drive Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST 978-465-8798 1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). http://www.portlines.com portlines@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10823	From: David Garber	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: holiday season

merry christmas, happy chunukah, and a blessed new year to everyone. from a cold ct. dave and norma garber. will check the chat room about 8:30 tonight to see if anyone is around

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10824	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10825	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: K325

Hi all , Happy Holidays to all! Thanks to all who helped the K325 is up and running this night on Christmas Eve For the family. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10826	From: gino restivo	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: MEW

-----Original Message----- From: Peck <portlines@...> To: S-Trains@egroups.com <S-Trains@egroups.com> Date: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] MEW >Anyone heard what happened with the auction of the Model Engineering Works >business in KC? >I heard the auction was to take place about 2-3 weeks ago, following John >Carlson's death. > >Doug Peck >Port Lines Hobby Supplies >6 Storeybrooke Drive >Newburyport, MA 01950-3408 >Shop hours: Weekday evenings: 7 PM - 9:30 PM EST >978-465-8798 >1-888-708-0782 (Toll-free; Orders only, please). >http://www.portlines.com >portlines@... > >was informed that personal collection was sold at auction in kansas city , no word on the business end >recieved copy of auction notice 3 days before .... no time to get further info on it ,Gino merry christmas >ps. d.peck sent you copy of my parts list >S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com >All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > >To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10827	From: James C. Knight	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 854

The ACG #780 trestles start out at 3/8" and top off at 4-1/2", with a 3/8" increase between individual trestles. The 12 pieces in the #783 high trestle set are all 4-1/2". Hope this helps, Jim Knight > ________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 12:37:40 -0000 > From: "Bob Sylsbury" <yazfacts@...> > Subject: Trestle Sizes ? > > Dear S-Panel, > I have another question that I hope someone can help me > with.Instead of using a trestle set I'm going to build an > embankment.I need to now the heights of the trestles.I think they > start out at a half of an inch(1)and go up to fives inches(13),but I > need the sizes that they rise to (in between trestle heights).Please > e mail me or post the answer.Thanks once again..........Bob >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10828	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/24/2000
Subject: GRADING

Hi, can someone tell me what the grading system c-6 means. What system is this and what are the other grades C-6 seems to pop up all the time. Thanks Mike S

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10829	From: roberte613@aol.com	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 854

Merry Christmas everyone. What a wonderful time of year and what a great list. It's been fun and informative. Robert Ellis

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10830	From: Tom Rolfsmeyer	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to all my friends far and wide. My you enjoy this day as much as we will in the company of friends and family. Tom and Kris Rolfsmeyer

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10831	From: Roger V. Petrella Jr.	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Re: GRADING

Mike, I am assuming you are looking at an item on ebay or some other auction site. A good percentage of the sellers are antique or junk dealers. They seem to all have a different idea of condition ("C") based on a numerical scale ("6") of 1-10. Everyone seems to have a different idea of what each number means. And of course, the numbers they assign have nothing to do with TCA grading standards. Look at the picture (if there is one) closely and try to decipher what they say. Be careful when bidding. Although most are honest and just unaware of TCA standards, you get a few unscrupulous ones. Roger Petrella Franktown, CO anormal1@... wrote: > Hi, > can someone tell me what the grading system c-6 means. What system is > this and what are the other grades C-6 seems to pop up all the time. Thanks > Mike S > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10832	From: busyboy	Date: 12/25/2000
Subject: Smoke Unit Repairs

There has been a great deal of talk on this list regarding dried up smoke wicks and such. This e-Bay item is therefore rather extraordinary in that it offers a dozen Gilbert factory repair kits. Is anyone interested in buying them up and actually using them (instead of collecting them)? Take a look and let me know if you think it's worth buying and distributing to the group. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=530915929 CZ PLEASE TAKE NOTE: I have a new e-mail address. It is busyboy@... Note there is NO hyphen between "busy" and "boy" and the service has changed. Please update your address books. My old address busy-boy@... will expire on January 15, 2001 Until that date, I will receive mail addressed either way. Thanks, Chris Zizzo

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10833	From: Neil Trump	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Unfair ebay trading

To all: I've just spotted what I think is a bit of unfair ebay trading using the buy-now option. A seller has http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=532190134 offered with a buy-now set at $35, not a bad price until you spot in the description that he is charging $55 for shipping, handling etc. Some people will see it as a bargain, buy it, and then find out the sting later, beware of this trader!! Neil T. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10834	From: David Garber	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: smoke unit repairs

I'm not sure how Gilbert packed his smoke repair kits, but it looks like these may be in zip-lock bags. I do not believe zip-locks were around in the 1960's. Anyone else have any ideas? Thanks, Dave Garber

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10835	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Re: Unfair ebay trading

"Neil Trump" wrote: ((buy-now set at $35, not a bad price until you spot in the description that he is charging $55 for shipping, handling etc. Some people will see it as a bargain, buy it, and then find out the sting later, beware of this trader!!)) I tried to check this out and found it no longer in their data base. $55 dollars for shipping and handling??!!?? WoW!! Maybe he (or she) plans on driving to the buyers house to deliver the goods!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10836	From: Art Dameron	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Great American Train show - Louisville, KY

Does anyone know if there will be American Flyer (and other S-gauge) displays, etc. at this show in January? Thanks. I live in that area and look forward to attending especially if there's some AF stuff to look at.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10837	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Front Truck Troubles!

Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for improving the "track ability" of front trucks on steam locos? I've installed new springs, made sure the wheels turn freely and checked them for correct gauge. Still, have problems with the trucks de-railing on curves, even at moderate speeds. Some are more prone to de-rail than others. The heavier locos (322) seem to be more likely to do this than the lighter (308) ones. I don't have any trouble when I run the locomotives in reverse. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks and Happy New Year to all, Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10838	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: S-GAUGE HERALD

Someone at some time back had asked about The S-Gauge Herald. They were looking for copies. E-Bay Item #532479278 These are Vol2 #1 1961-1975 Hope this helps Oh by the way tommorow (wed) Martha Stewart is doing a piece on LTI. Hey don't kill the messenger. Anyway if you are interested as to how they build their . trains ... Just remember "It's a good thing" Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10839	From: jimpatterson11@home.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Help for A. F. Crane Car #644

I pick up this car at the first of the year. It's in dyer need of some tender loving care. First: Is there an instructon book? If so! Can it scanned and sent? Second: Parts for those found missing? Boom Pin (One), Crane Cab Retaining Screw / Pins (4), Hand Wheels in / out haul for boom and hooks (2), Link Coupler(2)(all black) no/brass counter weight. Third: A diagram for reweaving of boom and hooks falls (Cord)? Forth: What is the sliding bar on bottom of under carriage for? Fifth: What hold's the hand wheel shafts in the cab sheet metal sub plate? Someone has add some black paint to parts of crane carriage! How does one get it off without removing the original gray paint? And was there any decals on carriage? Any Help would be appreciated! Thank you. Jim P. S-gauger.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10840	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: MTH 30-9107

Picked up MTH's 30-9107 'Operating Passenger Station Platform' Christmas Eve. This item fits in well with my 755 'Mystic Station'. The two platforms have the same height. The figures on the platform appear to be closer scaled to 'S' than '0-27'.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10841	From: Trbngs@cs.com	Date: 12/26/2000
Subject: Ernie Horr's TinPlate Road sale

I was asked to pass on the information the the late Ernie Horr's TinPlate Road is for sale by his widow, Harriet, and son, Bob Orr. Except for a few momentos being keep by Harriet, this includes all structures, rolloing stock, kits, and many boxes of hard to find parts. A complete inventor is aviable from Bob; (360) 834-1269 or email borr@... Tom Bangs IESGAPN

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10842	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Tunnel Portal Dimensions

What are the ideal dimensions for S gauge tunnel portals? I just purchased one of those foam cutters, and want to begin by making some tunnel portals (both square top and arch top styles). Thanks, Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10843	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: pilot wheels

I haven't much trouble with pilot wheels in general, so the fact you have is a bit bewildering. What I have found helps is to ensure there is enough vertical travel (~1/2"), the proper conically shaped soft spring installed so that it stays in place properly (doesn't slip up into the guide in which the pilot travel laterally), free lateral movement, free pivotal movement, easy spinning wheels on both axles (not flat spots, etc, on wheels either). Otherwise, check your track too. Gauged evenly (narrow or wide spots)? Stressed curves? Bumps or rough spots? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10844	From: david_horn@bestsoftware.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: SIT bellows revitalization

Whats the best thing to put on an original SIT bellows to help it live an even longer and productive life than it already has? I was considering Black Chrome on a paint brush - - a silicone solution used to revitalize rubber trim on automobiles. What do you recommend? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10845	From: kite1@swbell.net	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!

My experience has been what I thought were pilot truck problems were actually bumps or sections of track not totally aligned (curves mainly). Some engines pilot trucks are more sensitive than others. Check your spring on the front truck . Pilot truck wheels also pick up an incredible amount of crud in their life. I have not bought one yet that did not need some GOO GONE used for cleaning of the wheels. I also have purchased engine that had loose wheels on the pilot truck. The loose wheels "float" back and forth on the axle and thus can derail on switches, bumps, etc. My Hudsons, Bullet Nose Pacifics, and Atlantics have the least problems. My K-4's, and my 293 are the most problematic. Make sure you also don't have any chipped flanges on pilot wheels. Have fun working it all out! Michael judy messinger wrote: > Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for improving the "track ability" > of front trucks on steam locos? > > I've installed new springs, made sure the wheels turn freely and checked > them for correct gauge. Still, have problems with the trucks de-railing on > curves, even at moderate speeds. Some are more prone to de-rail than > others. The heavier locos (322) seem to be more likely to do this than the > lighter (308) ones. I don't have any trouble when I run the locomotives in > reverse. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks and Happy New Year to all, > > Joe Messinger > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@...

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10846	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: smoke unit repairs

Dave, Good eye! As far as I know, ACG did NOT sell smoke unit repair kits as such, but did sell "heating element & Plate Assembly XA10523" and for the later units, part number XA14A208. These units will have the top plate and gasket with element and wick already installed. Probably came in the usual brown/tan paper envelope. S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10847	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Feb. Issue of Classic Toy Trains.......

Just Picked up the Feb. issue of CTT from the post Office and was glad to see that at least two of the 11 feature articles were on Flyer! And to my surprize, on page six, the Editor's Desk column was on S Gauge!! Maybe "S" can slowly take it over!! (I won't hold my breath though!!) Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10848	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 855

Mike Leahy: Did you get the All-Aboard panels together and working. I have some spare parts that might help, give me a call. 303-985-5109 Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10849	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 855

Rick Evans: Cause of hot spots, is poor connection, after running your trains, feel track sections at joints, if they are hot your losing power, tighten with track pliers, clean or bend pins as shown in the Flyer book. choo-choo sound can be effected by a plugged hole in smoke unit. TV static is caused by arcing from wheels or pickup's. Jerry 77-11644 PS Cars with bad ignition wires (sparking) caused the static not just Fords. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10850	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!

More than Likely the problem is in the track. Is there a piece of tie insulator sticking up? Are there surface burs at the rail joint? (File them away). Are the track sections properly aligned? Any irregularity will cause problems. Sometimes the truck spring is to weak. (even a new one). Is there gunk buildup on the wheels? Are the rails ben? Even slightly will cause a derail. Does the truck slide freely, left to right? The truck swivel pin bent? Axle bent? judy messinger wrote: > Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for improving the "track ability" > of front trucks on steam locos?

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10851	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front trucks on steam locomotives

Joe; with the trouble your are having with w your front trucks on steam locomotives, you might look at you're train track. check for kinks or being out of level, check the gage of the track at the curve, is the track bent up or down? Of all the locomotives I run, I have never had a pilot truck derail. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10852	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Smoke unit repair kits

Chris: Let the collectors (and investors ?) buy the smoke unit repair kits. For the operators, kits are available from different suppliers from $1.00 per kit up. you can buy the # 40 Nichrome wire and fiber glass, and make them your self for about 10 cents each, + you can wind the heating coil, hotter, or colder, for each engine . Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10853	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Crane car

Jim P.: All the parts and information are available from Ron Leventon, PO Box 1525 Chehalis WA. 98532 phone # 360-748-3643. The bar on the bottom is an out rigger to stabilize the car when the boom is extended out to the side. The cranks are held in place with a stiff wire spring between the two shafts. No decals on the carriage. I have a stringing diagram if you can't figure it out. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10854	From: B.T.S. - Bill & Diane Wade	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: [Commercial] Report on the #41 2-8-0 Sample

Happy Holidays! We received the M&PA #41 from the FedEx guy yesterday, and spent yesterday and today looking the model over. Looks much better than the photos! Weight of loco - 26 ozs. Top speed at 12 volts - 65 Scale Miles Per Hour. Bit fast, but you do not have to turn the power on full anyway. Minimum Radius - 24" but it did not look good there. It ran well on multiple 'S' curves of American Models' 27" sectional track. I would recommend 30" for better looking operation. Pulling Power - Showed signs of slipping with 16 assorted freight cars going around the 24" radius curve. Cars included American Models, Pacific Rail Shops, S-Helper, Rex metal flat and gon, and several scratchbuilt cars with American Models' trucks. It looked better with nine cars and a caboose. Status of kits - We are waiting for delivery of the drivers.... which were ordered to arrive eight weeks ago!! The next model will have our drivers under it, and will will not have to wait for others! We will get these out as soon as we can. I will shoot some more photos and get them on the web page shortly. The 2-8-0 is massive when sitting next to the 0-6-0. Gotta do a group shot! Great to see two new S Scale steam locos sitting side by side as we get ready to start the new millennium! We will need a large roundhouse to hold all the locos by this time next year! Take care, Bill -- =============== Scale Model Railroad Products ================ Manufacturer - Retailer - Distributor - Publisher - Importer Bill & Diane Wade Phone: 813-759-6300 FAX: 813-759-8218 B T S (Bill's Train Shop) http://www.btsrr.com S/Sn3 Modeling Guide http://www.modelingguide.com Master Creations http://www.master-creations.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10855	From: Ktrdd@AOL.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!

Hi, I have 2 293s which have had these problems over the years. Checking the track for proper turn and height didn't seem to help solve the problem and so on it went. Years ago also noticed that load or no load behind the engine made no difference. The ailment always struck unpredicted-insanity!! 2 years ago I wanted to solve this glitch and watched this carefully. I was told that the wrong pilot truck was on these engines but that doesn't seem to be as I would have noticed the change way back then-30 yrs ago when these were acquired. Why would both engines have the same tin framed pilot truck? The screws that holds the pilot assembly on the boiler body have large heads. Heavier cast engines like these appear to weigh down on the pilot truck and ride nearly on the top of the pilot truck; maybe design; maybe not? No problem on straight and shallow turns. Now on full flyer turns, the pilot truck wants to stay on the track, but the engine front begins to shift and move to the outside of the turn (due to short wheelbase of the drivers?). In effect, the pilot tin frame hits the screw head above it and becomes dislodged (derailed) by this motion. The "proof" in the pudding is that you will notice that the pilot ends up on the outside side of the engine when it derails (outside of the turns). It doesn't happen in every turn, but more than one can tolerate-at least for me! It derails because of this "stop" on it's ability to move freely under the boiler. You can see this by shifting the pilot side-to-side while holding it snug up against the guide hoding it in place. The 2 screws act like stops. I tried a radical approach and filed the inside edge of these screws, maybe a sixteenth of an inch, and (!) no derail since. Maybe a small head screw is available, but I didn't go that far. My 293s are reliable runners, but they have their quirks. In backing up, the 2 wheel trailer also likes to go it's own way- definitely through a switch. Not much can be done about that, I guess. Otherwise, these engines are good runners, despite their looks. JohnR

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10856	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!

((( Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for improving the "track ability" of front trucks on steam locos?)))) Going by what just happened to me while setting up the trains around the Christmas tree, I suggest the tracks are the problems. I never have a problem with any of my locos on my small layout,...but setting up the track on a sheet, on the carpet, around the tree, what a nightmare!! Jammed some junk mail under the sheet and the snow batting, (is that the term I want??) and that leveled things out. No more problems! Although I'm using plywood next year!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10857	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: Re: Front Truck Troubles!

Rick, Well, if you'd read my "High-Floor layouts" column in the Dispatch (Blatant Plug!), you'd have known to put down the plywood first! ;-) A good base is crucial to good trackwork. ACG's track was developed during a time period when few homes had wall-to-wall carpeting. You were "well-off" if you had linoleum instead of painted softwood floors. To replicate the fairly hard surface, I put down a sheet of plywood and then add a sheet to cover it, and provide the illusion of snow. (wiring goes down first, though). S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10858	From: jarcho@rcn.com	Date: 12/27/2000
Subject: overheating armatures

On December 18, Roger Petrella posted a query about misbehaving armatures in a 21812 Baldwin and a 336 Challenger. He had just cleaned and lubricated the motors with aerolube products. They ran poorly and erratically. He has since sent the armatures to Bob Hannon for rewinding. I wonder if the problems he experienced were due to the aerolube. Have never used them,so I could be wrong about this, but understand they are conductive lubricants. If a conductive lubricant were to get onto the armature windings and penetrate the 45 year old enamel on the coil wire, it could short out the armature and in fact display the exact symptoms Roger described. One must be very careful to keep any solvent off the coil windings of armatures and fields. Anything that gets in there and softens, dissolves, or penetrates the enamel, can be damaging. Another recent post described cleaning a loco commutator with isopropyl alcohol. This poses the same threat to the enamel's longevity; since the commutator is so close to the windings, there is a good chance that some alcohol could get on them. I think these aerolube products would be fine for a loco with a sealed can motor, which would protect the armature windings. Open frame motors such as Gilbert's tend to throw lubricants around, and it would only be a matter of time before conductive material found its way onto the coils. Having never seen or used Aerolube products, I could be wrong about this, and if so, I apologize. In any case, best wishes to everybody for a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year! Tom Jarcho

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10859	From: LEAHY RUTH A	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Spring replacement

Does anyone know of a good way to replace the springs on the 4 front trucks of an Atlantic 4-4-2? The trucks are rivited to the base on these. Is there a trick to replacing them? Mike Leahy

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10860	From: Chuck Harrington	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: eBay Humor revisited...

An eBay auction ending today offers a Royal Blue that appears to be in GOOD condition, for an opening bid of a mere $1750.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528948274 Perhaps that will shake a couple of you out of the bushes; this list has been really dead the last several days.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10861	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: eBay Humor revisited...

This guy is in for bleak day. He has 16 auctions ending today and he hasn't got a single bid on any of them. One Lionel engine is also starting at $1200.00. Nice detailed description of the item too! --- Chuck Harrington <myflyertrains@...> wrote: > An eBay auction ending today offers a Royal Blue that appears to be > in > GOOD condition, for an opening bid of a mere $1750.00 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=528948274 > > Perhaps that will shake a couple of you out of the bushes; this list > has > been really dead the last several days. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10862	From: seahawkdan@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Old train out of storage

Hey S-Gaugers! How would you like to help a newbie out(again)? I've got an old set (283 engine, caboose, gas car, flat bed car) that I'd to get running again. I have several questions. Track - I've got lots of track, most of it pretty clean. Is there anything I need to do to it before putting the train on it? Electrical connections - I've got a transformer (9B, I think - I'm at work right now) that has three posts on it. Which two should the wires be connected to and why? Electrical connections (2) - I've got the clip that fastens onto the track. Is there a certain way the wires coming from the tranformer should be connected to the clip? Running the train - It's been a while, but the last time I tried to get things working, when I turned on the transformer, the engine did not move. It was getting power (could hear the humming) but would not move. Any ideas? If there is a FAQ list online somewhere that I could refer to, I'd appreciate being pointed to it. Any suggestions for a technical manual on Flyer trains that I can pick up from Amazon or Barnes & Noble? Finally, thanks for reading this and not laughing out loud too hard! Dan Boone

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10863	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old train out of storage

seahawkdan@... wrote: > > Hey S-Gaugers! > > How would you like to help a newbie out(again)? I've got > an old set (283 engine, caboose, gas car, flat bed car) > that I'd to get running again. I have several questions. > > Track - I've got lots of track, most of it pretty clean. > Is there anything I need to do to it before putting the > train on it? Wipe it clean with a solvent, Shine up anu rusty spots. > > Electrical connections - I've got a transformer (9B, I think - I'm at work > right now) that has three posts on it. Which two should the wires be > connected to and why? Connect the base post and variable (7-15V) post to the track. The base and 15V fixed voltage post are for accessories. > > Electrical connections (2) - I've got the clip that fastens onto the track. > Is there a certain way the wires coming from the tranformer should be > connected to the clip? If one terminal at the track connector is labeled "base" then connect that to the transformer base post just to feel good. For a simple loop it really doesn't matter. > > Running the train - It's been a while, but the last time I tried to get > things working, when I turned on the transformer, the engine did not move. It > was getting power (could hear the humming) but would not move. Any ideas? Probably a stuck reverse unit. Tap the tender with power off to see if it unsticks the unit. If thsat doesn't work thwere are more things you can try but too numerous for this simple note. > > If there is a FAQ list online somewhere that I could refer to, I'd appreciate > being pointed to it. Try Paul Yorke's website: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ > > Any suggestions for a technical manual on Flyer trains that I can pick up > from Amazon or Barnes & Noble? See if they have a Greenberg book bu Tom Barker on repair os American Flyer. > > Finally, thanks for reading this and not laughing out loud too hard! > > Dan Boone > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10864	From: McIlvaine, Robert	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Greetings

Hi, I'm new here. I just signed up. Are there any AF and S owners in south central New Hampshire? Regards, Mac Robert "Mac" McIlvaine email: rmcilvaine@... Project Manager phone: 603-647-1000 x1185 Zydacron, Inc. 7 Perimeter Rd. Manchester, NH 03103 USA

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10865	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Greetings

Dear Mac, You might want to attend the Amherst Train Show at West Springfield, MA on February 3rd & 4th. I think it is the biggest show in New England and I know that the Bristol "S" club will have their S gauge layout. We also attend (SHS) as well as several other "S" manufacturers (River Raisin, S Scale America, RSSVP, Green Briar, etc.). There is a tons of Flyer (Gary Clark & John Vannacore) and AF parts (Doug Peck) at this show. I think it is the best non-S gauge event for S gaugers in the country Don Thompson "McIlvaine, Robert" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new here. I just signed up. > > Are there any AF and S owners in south central New Hampshire? > > Regards, > Mac > > Robert "Mac" McIlvaine email: rmcilvaine@... > Project Manager phone: 603-647-1000 x1185 > Zydacron, Inc. > 7 Perimeter Rd. > Manchester, NH 03103 > USA > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10866	From: Scott Holm	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Old train out of storage

--- seahawkdan@... wrote: > The engine did not move. It was getting power (could hear the humming) but would not move. Any ideas? With the engine upright (gravity is needed) try switching the reverse unit lever on the bottom of the tender from one side to the other. In one position the reverse unit will cycle through forward, neutral, reverse and neutral each time the power is cut. In the other position it locks it in one of the 4 positions. Moving the lever back and forth will also manually cycle it. > If there is a FAQ list online somewhere that I could refer to, I'd > appreciate being pointed to it. Here is Paul's FAQ url: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/FAQ/FAQ.htm > Any suggestions for a technical manual on Flyer trains that I can > pick up from Amazon or Barnes & Noble? The book to have is Greenberg's American Flyer S Gauge Repair And Operating Manual It is the best available book for operating Flyer today. It is at Barnes and Noble: http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?sourceid=00000474092083689980&ISBN=0897780175&bfdate=12-28-2000+17:08:17 Or just start at Paul's Barnes and Noble bookstore page: http://members.wbs.net/homepages/p/a/u/paulyorke/store2a.htm The S-trains main web page is at: http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/ > Finally, thanks for reading this and not laughing out loud too hard! Not at all and welcome back! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10867	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: tunnel dimensions

Joe: If you want to run the Franklin and Washington sets( which are actually On3.5 ), the tunnel needs to be at least 4" above the track and 4" wide, you can use a 1" fillet on the top corners. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10868	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: eBay Humor revisited...

((((Chuck Harrington wrote: An eBay auction ending today offers a Royal Blue that appears to be in GOOD condition, for an opening bid of a mere $1750.00))) Auction was closed, but he started another one,...starting price of $80.00. He must of really been dreaming or typed in the wrong figures!! Rick. ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10869	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Cincinnati In Motion

Hi All, My family went down to cincy for my Grandmother's funeral on tuesday. My wife trying to be the Great wife that she is ,said," let's go to the Union Terminal and see the trains." Well, needless to say, it perked me up. WOW!!! The display is awesome. I was not impressed with the trollies, but the rest of the display was just incredible! It was a lot of fun pointing out the engines and cars that I have. They also had a large display of toy trains in another exhibit. I was kind of feeling low about the one line of S-Gauge on the display, then I woke up thinking,"you knucklehead, the whole Cincy In Motion exhibit is S-gauge." An interesting thing I did notice was the couplers were all left with the Flyer compatible couplers on them ,and not converted to the Kadee couplers. After the museum we stopped and had Montgomery Inn Ribs before our trip back home to Dayton. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10870	From: Rick Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Franklin reverse unit....

Can the reverse unit on the Franklin be locked in forward?? If so,...what is the secret?? Rick. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10871	From: The Reis's	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Pennsy and CP/CN s-gauge stuff for sale

I have the following S gauge items for sale and thought I would give the people here a first chance. Pennsylvania Items: AM 5758 Alco PA engine tuscan (220) high rail AC AM 5759 Alco PA engine tuscan dummy (125) high rail SHS 132 rebuilt prr box tuscan (40) SHS 145 usra XM box yellow/blk (40) SHS 067 usra XM box tuscan (40) SHS 066 usra XM box tuscan (40) SHS 022 PS2 hopper grey (35) SHS 008 PS2 hopper grey (35) SHS 181 tofc Penn#1 tuscan (60) LTI 6-48705 penn caboose (35) high rail illuminated numbers in (xx) are new prices total above is $670 all are like new in the boxes, engine has new reverse unit. I would sell all the above as a set for 25% off at $500. plus postage USA. Canadian Pacific / Canadian National Items: AM 4044 CP FA engine (190) high rail AC AM 716-1 CP wide vision caboose red/black (30) high rail illuminated AM 716-2 CP wide vision caboose red/black (30) high rail illuminated PRS b413 aar 40 ft boxcar CN (not fully assembled) (40) high rail DPH 1506 hopper (40) CN brown high rail shs 303-8 tofc CP/speedway (60) SHS 323-6 speedway trailer (15) SHS 075 XM Boxcar CP (40) Above 8 items total $425 new and I would sell for $25% off at $320. plus postage USA. All are like new in boxes. Engine just gone through and runs like new. I will break up into groups but don't really want to sell items individually. Make an offer. I can send digital pictures to anyone interested. Thank You. eric reis kenmore, wa.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10872	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Re-railer ?

"Roger V. Petrella Jr." wrote: (((They look just like a HO rerailer only with Flyer track. I've bought several at about $15 each, but I have seen them sell for as much as $25. Not a super common item, but they are out there.))) I saw one on ebay that went for fifty somethin'....I sold one on ebay, new/old stock,..mine topped out at $27.50. At $50 each,..I thought I was sittin' on a gold mine!! Oh well, $27.50 ain't all that bad!! I think I'll hang on to the others anyway. Rick ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10873	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/28/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin reverse unit....

Rick, The silver-colored "thingy" hanging down the bottom of the reverse unit is the lockout lever, just push it up to lock the unit. Unfortunately, the lever often vibrates its way back down to the unlocked postition, OR the tender wires push it up to the locked positition--whichever effect is what you DON'T want to happen is that which does happen! S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10874	From: Chuck Smith	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Re: Franklin reverse unit....

Yes. Pushing the tender lever up will lock it. It can be tricky but if you persist it will work. I did mine the other day and it wanted to favor locking in reverse. If it's really hard to do then turn the power off with it locked in reverse and cycle the lever down then up by hand. This should do it if the reverse unit isn't really stuck hard. Rick Evans wrote: > > Can the reverse unit on the Franklin be locked in forward?? > If so,...what is the secret?? > > Rick. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... -- Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10875	From: Toyguy5344@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: MEW

I got this from Donn Lowe in CT: the new owner of MEW's assets is Barry Higgenbotham, telephone # is 870-887-5534. i haven't called, so i have no other info.-john marganski

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10876	From: Al_at Work	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: GATS Show in Salt Lake City

The Great American Train Show will be in Salt Lake City, Utah, on January 6 and 7, 2001. American Flyer and S Gauge trains will be running there on the large modular setup of the Golden Spike American Flyer Club. Lots of accessories on 16 modules. Everyone is welcome. Location: 1000 West 155 North at the State Fairpark (just 1/2 block north of North Temple Street). Building: The Science and Technology Building - 2nd Floor. Hours: 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM Saturday and Sunday. Hope to see you there. Al Rawdon Member: Golden Spike American Flyer Club

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10877	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Marx cattle car

I need a Marx cattle car door. The International Great Northern stockcar is 41.4 feet long. The Marx car is 43.5 feet. Putting in a CMI AC/DC sound unit. The only cost $15. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10878	From: JAMES SLEETH	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: ERTLE Crossing Gate

I cut up 2 Ertle Crossing gates to get one gated set. The other will just have Christmas flashers added. I drilled out the light centers and then drilled down like the letter X to get wires to hide behind the crossbucks. I need some help. Has anyone used a HO switch machine to move gates? Don't seem to find any units that power 3 volt lights and detect trains approching. Jim Sleeth

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10879	From: John Simkovich	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: (no subject)

please update your records. My new email address is jps2102@... Sincerely John Simkovich [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10880	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Vacation

I am planing a vacation to Hawaii in March, is their any one that knows of train shows or displays on the islands? grdobbs@... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10881	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Gilbert Year Book

Recently I found a 1932 edition of "Gilbert Annual Year Book" 5" x 7" 96 pages, listing highlights of 1932, in sports, some civil engineering projects, including the hell bate bridge, and a civil engineering set no. 6525, price $5.00 a hydraulic and pneumatic engineering price $2.50 , light and sound kits. It also shows some magic tricks, some chemistry, some radio circuits and some toys and construction set sold by Gilbert. Has any one seen one? or know something about it ? How many years it was published? grdobbs@... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10882	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10883	From: judy messinger	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Truck Troubles--Thanks!

My thanks to all who offered suggestions regarding derailing problems I'm having with the front (pilot) trucks on some of my stream locos. I am working my way down the list. I did find that, on several of the engines, round head screws were used (no doubt by me) to attach the truck frame to the loco. I kinda' think there might be a combination of things causing the trouble. I'll keep working on it. Several days ago, Mike Leahy wrote in asking if anyone knew of an easy way to install coil springs on front trucks. I've been watching (and hoping) for an answer but, thus far, no response. Perhaps, there isn't any "easy way" to do it. . . Just thought I'd mention it again in case someone did have an answer but didn't see the post. Thanks again for your help and best wishes for the New Year. Joe Messinger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10884	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: SHS Switches

Wow!! I just got my first S-Helper Service Remote Control Switches in stock. Right hand only; the left hand switches must still be on the boat! What a switch it is! Although a little pricey at $49.94, it looks beautiful and works flawlessly. After being unable to locate the plug location on the switch, I finally read the instructions. This part is a little difficult, as my cover plate needed to be pried out, possibly due to a bottom cover alignment problem. But the plug inserts easily into both switch and controller, and the throw is crisp and complete each time. The controller is simple with bright light indicators. The switches have a great switch indicator throw stand and also have a 1 train/2 train operation button (lever, really), just like AF switches. These switches are a nice addition to the SHS track line. Thanks, Don! Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10885	From: dfsmith26	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: Re: Vacation

Surprisingly enough, there is at least one train shop. I ran across it on a trip about two years ago. It is Honolulu Trains and Hobbies at 1409 Kalakaua Ave between Waikiki and Downtown, but closer to Waikiki. Phone is 808 947-2977. You won't see a lot of S out on display, but seeing one Atlantic in a case prompted me to ask and I was told of a large collection in the back. Out of this I got a 1948 Royal Blue for $45.00. Granted it is in need of restoration, but pretty much complete. Storage in a high humidity environment can be a bit punishing. Everything in the lot was selling for pretty much Greenberg book values. I think it may have something to do with the fact that they never see a train show over there to see what items are really selling for. Hope you have as good luck as I did then. Dale Smith Pacifica, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: [S-Trains] Vacation > > I am planing a vacation to Hawaii in March, is their any one that knows > of train shows or displays on the islands? > > grdobbs@... > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card http://www.rocketcash.com

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10886	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/29/2000
Subject: pilot truck springs.....

(((( Several days ago, Mike Leahy wrote in asking if anyone knew of an easy way to install coil springs on front trucks. I've been watching (and hoping) for an answer but, thus far, no response. Perhaps, there isn't any "easy way" to do it. . .)))))) Yes, I am curious too!!! Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10887	From: Thomas@PAHeritageModels.com	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Vacation

Heh, This sounds like a great place to hold an NASG convention!. Let's do it in the winter though. We might even spark some interest and make S Gauge to only show in town. Tom D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dfsmith26" <dfsmith26@...> To: "Gerald R Dobbs" <grdobbs@...>; <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [S-Trains] Vacation > Surprisingly enough, there is at least one train shop. I ran across it on a > trip about two years ago. It is Honolulu Trains and Hobbies at 1409 > Kalakaua Ave between Waikiki and Downtown, but closer to Waikiki. Phone is > 808 947-2977. You won't see a lot of S out on display, but seeing one > Atlantic in a case prompted me to ask and I was told of a large collection > in the back. Out of this I got a 1948 Royal Blue for $45.00. Granted it is > in need of restoration, but pretty much complete. Storage in a high > humidity environment can be a bit punishing. Everything in the lot was > selling for pretty much Greenberg book values. I think it may have > something to do with the fact that they never see a train show over there to > see what items are really selling for. Hope you have as good luck as I did > then. > > Dale Smith > Pacifica, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Vacation > > > > > > I am planing a vacation to Hawaii in March, is their any one that knows > > of train shows or displays on the islands? > > > > grdobbs@... > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10888	From: John	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re Front Pilot truck springs

Hi Joe <jde here> The Front Pilot Truck springs that I have changed always have a a beginning and end of the wire if you look real close you will see the end of the wire spring , just take the wire and start it around the shaft of the truck just keep turning the the spring until it completes the threading, and viola its mounted just fine to remove just reverse the above procedure also make sure you note the wide and narrow end of the spring an how its located on the shaft Hope this helps . back to building my new layout- John

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10889	From: Roy Hoffman	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: S website

I've had a chance during the holidays to add lots of enhancements to the www.s-scaletrains.com website. Drop by when you get a chance. I'm always on the prowl for items to add to it so suggestions are welcome. Roy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10890	From: Gene McFarland	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 860

----- Original Message ----- From: <S-Trains@egroups.com> To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 4:49 AM Subject: [S-Trains] Digest Number 860 > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 13 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Franklin reverse unit.... > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > 2. MEW > From: Toyguy5344@... > 3. GATS Show in Salt Lake City > From: "Al_at Work" <alr@...> > 4. Marx cattle car > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > 5. ERTLE Crossing Gate > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > 6. > From: "John Simkovich" <jps2102@...> > 7. Vacation > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > 8. Gilbert Year Book > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > 9. Reminder - Sunday Chat > From: S-Trains@egroups.com > 10. Truck Troubles--Thanks! > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > 11. SHS Switches > From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > 12. Re: Vacation > From: "dfsmith26" <dfsmith26@...> > 13. pilot truck springs..... > From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:23:21 -0500 > From: Chuck Smith <cesmith@...> > Subject: Re: Franklin reverse unit.... > > Yes. Pushing the tender lever up will lock it. It can be tricky but if > you persist it will work. I did mine the other day and it wanted to > favor locking in reverse. If it's really hard to do then turn the power > off with it locked in reverse and cycle the lever down then up by hand. > This should do it if the reverse unit isn't really stuck hard. > > Rick Evans wrote: > > > > Can the reverse unit on the Franklin be locked in forward?? > > If so,...what is the secret?? > > > > Rick. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > -- > Chuck Smith of the NASG, Rochester Area S Gaugers (RASG) > and the S Gauge Chemung Valley Lines. http://home.eznet.net/~cesmith > > "It is often wiser to remain silent and be thought a fool > than to speak up and remove all doubt." Mark Twain > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:04:57 EST > From: Toyguy5344@... > Subject: MEW > > I got this from Donn Lowe in CT: the new owner of MEW's assets is Barry > Higgenbotham, telephone # is 870-887-5534. i haven't called, so i have no > other info.-john marganski > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 17:29:47 -0000 > From: "Al_at Work" <alr@...> > Subject: GATS Show in Salt Lake City > > The Great American Train Show will be in Salt Lake City, Utah, on > January 6 and 7, 2001. American Flyer and S Gauge trains will be > running there on the large modular setup of the Golden Spike American > Flyer Club. Lots of accessories on 16 modules. Everyone is welcome. > > Location: > 1000 West 155 North at the State Fairpark (just 1/2 block north of > North Temple Street). > > Building: > The Science and Technology Building - 2nd Floor. > > Hours: 11:00 AM to 5:00 PM Saturday and Sunday. > > Hope to see you there. > > Al Rawdon > Member: Golden Spike American Flyer Club > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:19:31 -0000 > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > Subject: Marx cattle car > > I need a Marx cattle car door. The International Great Northern > stockcar is 41.4 feet long. The Marx car is 43.5 feet. Putting in a > CMI AC/DC sound unit. The only cost $15. Jim Sleeth > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:26:25 -0000 > From: "JAMES SLEETH" <aztecfan@...> > Subject: ERTLE Crossing Gate > > I cut up 2 Ertle Crossing gates to get one gated set. The other will > just have Christmas flashers added. I drilled out the light centers > and then drilled down like the letter X to get wires to hide behind > the crossbucks. I need some help. Has anyone used a HO switch > machine to move gates? > > Don't seem to find any units that power 3 volt lights and detect > trains approching. Jim Sleeth > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:10:41 -0500 > From: "John Simkovich" <jps2102@...> > Subject: > > please update your records. My new email address is > jps2102@... > > Sincerely > > John Simkovich > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:52:47 -0700 > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: Vacation > > > I am planing a vacation to Hawaii in March, is their any one that knows > of train shows or displays on the islands? > > grdobbs@... > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 15:15:13 -0700 > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > Subject: Gilbert Year Book > > > Recently I found a 1932 edition of "Gilbert Annual Year Book" 5" x 7" > 96 pages, listing highlights of 1932, > in sports, some civil engineering projects, including the hell bate > bridge, and a civil engineering set no. 6525, price $5.00 a hydraulic > and pneumatic engineering price $2.50 , light and sound kits. It also > shows some magic tricks, some chemistry, some radio circuits and some > toys and construction set sold by Gilbert. Has any one seen one? or > know something about it ? How many years it was published? > > grdobbs@... > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 9 > Date: 30 Dec 2000 01:02:02 -0000 > From: S-Trains@egroups.com > Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > Sunday Chat > > Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 > Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 01:03:44 > From: "judy messinger" <jmessinger@...> > Subject: Truck Troubles--Thanks! > > My thanks to all who offered suggestions regarding derailing problems I'm > having with the front (pilot) trucks on some of my stream locos. > > I am working my way down the list. I did find that, on several of the > engines, round head screws were used (no doubt by me) to attach the truck > frame to the loco. I kinda' think there might be a combination of things > causing the trouble. I'll keep working on it. > > Several days ago, Mike Leahy wrote in asking if anyone knew of an easy way > to install coil springs on front trucks. I've been watching (and hoping) > for an answer but, thus far, no response. Perhaps, there isn't any "easy > way" to do it. . . Just thought I'd mention it again in case someone did > have an answer but didn't see the post. > > Thanks again for your help and best wishes for the New Year. > > Joe Messinger > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:10:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Joseph Haenn <joestrainrepair@...> > Subject: SHS Switches > > Wow!! I just got my first S-Helper Service Remote > Control Switches in stock. Right hand only; the left > hand switches must still be on the boat! > > What a switch it is! Although a little pricey at > $49.94, it looks beautiful and works flawlessly. > After being unable to locate the plug location on the > switch, I finally read the instructions. This part is > a little difficult, as my cover plate needed to be > pried out, possibly due to a bottom cover alignment > problem. But the plug inserts easily into both switch > and controller, and the throw is crisp and complete > each time. The controller is simple with bright light > indicators. The switches have a great switch > indicator throw stand and also have a 1 train/2 train > operation button (lever, really), just like AF > switches. These switches are a nice addition to the > SHS track line. > > Thanks, Don! > > Joe > > ===== > Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 > 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 > Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer > Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines > American Models ########################## S-Helper Service > Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions > joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 19:24:30 -0800 > From: "dfsmith26" <dfsmith26@...> > Subject: Re: Vacation > > Surprisingly enough, there is at least one train shop. I ran across it on a > trip about two years ago. It is Honolulu Trains and Hobbies at 1409 > Kalakaua Ave between Waikiki and Downtown, but closer to Waikiki. Phone is > 808 947-2977. You won't see a lot of S out on display, but seeing one > Atlantic in a case prompted me to ask and I was told of a large collection > in the back. Out of this I got a 1948 Royal Blue for $45.00. Granted it is > in need of restoration, but pretty much complete. Storage in a high > humidity environment can be a bit punishing. Everything in the lot was > selling for pretty much Greenberg book values. I think it may have > something to do with the fact that they never see a train show over there to > see what items are really selling for. Hope you have as good luck as I did > then. > > Dale Smith > Pacifica, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerald R Dobbs <grdobbs@...> > To: <S-Trains@egroups.com> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:52 PM > Subject: [S-Trains] Vacation > > > > > > I am planing a vacation to Hawaii in March, is their any one that knows > > of train shows or displays on the islands? > > > > grdobbs@... > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > S-Trains list sponsor: http://www.americanflyertrains.com > > All the "Flyer" you desire...books and accessories too! > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list send a note to > s-trains-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > Shop Safely Online Without a Credit Card > http://www.rocketcash.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 04:59:45 -0000 > From: "Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> > Subject: pilot truck springs..... > > (((( Several days ago, Mike Leahy wrote in asking if anyone knew of > an easy way to install coil springs on front trucks. I've been > watching (and hoping) for an answer but, thus far, no response. > Perhaps, there isn't any "easy way" to do it. . .)))))) > > > Yes, I am curious too!!! > > Rick. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > >

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10891	From: Joseph Haenn	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Pilot Truck Spring Installation

The easiest and best way to install a spring on an American Flyer pilot (front) truck is to unscrew the screw or drill out the rivet. In this way, both a spring and a washer can be installed upon re-assembly, and the washer really helps in performance. Otherwise, if you do not want to replace the rivet, the best way is to remove the pilot truck assembly, push the crosshead guide down to expose as much of the top of the rivet as possible, and install the new spring by rotating it around the rivet head with the tail (bottom) of the spring working itself under the crosshead guide. I installed two springs in this manner on some 21085s that I repaired this past week to donate to Pete Hildenbrand, a Carolinas Division member of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers. He puts together inexpensive AF train sets and gives them to his daughter, who is a school teacher in eastern North Carolina and provides them to children of needy families each holiday season. This year she provided six boys and girls with AF starter sets and helped to give them a much better Christmas. If you would like to help this project, either contact Pete directly (djandpete@...) or send the equipment to me for free repair and contribution. He especially needs old track (we all have some extra curved track around), starter set transformers (those boat anchors you no longer need), and cheap cars (broken steps, etc do no matter). These efforts by Pete and his daughter represent the true meaning of the holiday. Happy New Year. Resolve this year to make someone less fortunate happy by introducing them to the wonderful world of model trains, especially Gilbert American Flyer trains. Joe ===== Joe's Train Repair FAX Orders: 919/471-2613*9 404 Shetland Road Rougemont, NC 27572-9338 Specializing in S Gauge American Flyer Parts Dealer Over 85,000 AF parts in stock with over 1,100 part lines American Models ########################## S-Helper Service Official Licensed Dealer for Gilbert Reproductions joestrainrepair@... Master Charge/Visa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10892	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Box Car Cam

Good news, my little video camera is working great. Here are some pictures. http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/loco_cam/box_cam.html The screen looks better than the snap shot indicates. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10893	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Re: Box Car Cam

Looks like fun Paul!!! What's the cost of that do-hickey??? Rick.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10894	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: Fwd: egroups and Yahoo merger

Found this over at the Plasticville site.......... Rick. Dear eGroups Moderator, We have exciting news to share with you. We want you to be among the first to know that eGroups and Yahoo! Clubs will be merging. The new service will be called Yahoo! Groups. WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH EGROUPS? eGroups will now be called Yahoo! Groups. Don't worry, all eGroups email and web addresses will continue to work, all data and event ownership will be maintained, and your entire group membership will carry over. Everything you love about eGroups will still be around. Yahoo! Groups will continue to be a free service, and all the main features you use now will continue to be a part of the new Groups service. We'll begin to internationalize Yahoo! Groups after we've launched the service in the United States. In the interim, you will be able to use the international versions of eGroups. WHAT'S NEW? Yahoo! Groups will have lots of new features and even better customization. Upon launch, you will be able to: * Chat with other group members using our improved Yahoo! Chat. * Add a splash of color to your group, or a main page photo, all without knowing HTML. * See when group members are online and communicate with group members in real time using Yahoo! Messenger. * Reach a larger audience. You will have the entire Yahoo! Network at your doorstep. And much, much more to come! The best part -- you won't have to do anything to your group to get it converted. This will all happen automatically. All you have to do to access this wide array of web functionality is merge your current eGroups account with a Yahoo! ID. For a detailed FAQ on this and other merger topics, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/info On behalf of everyone here at Yahoo Groups, thanks for being a moderator on our service. Sincerely, The Yahoo! Groups team --- End forwarded message ---

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10895	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??

HI all, I noticed this auction on eBay, and can't understand the high price bid, am I missing something in this lot that is high-dollar? The lot went for $481! and consisted of: a 581 bridge in like new condition Eighty-nine pieces of straight track, eighty-eight curves, twenty-one half straights, four 1" pieces, and six half curves --all like new Three pairs of switches in good shape One pair of switches with the rare sunburst design on the controller, and the original box Two rerailers, one in good shape and the other like new One uncoupler track (Black track w/molded uncoupler The "rare sunburst" design is a controler with streaks of red in it from the previouse batch of plastic, an uncommon, but known variation in ACG control boxes, and even painted cars. So why so much moola?? S' David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10896	From: loubaldi@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2000
Subject: News Paper Article

Last week there was article in the Baltimore Sun Business section on Mike's Train House and the revival now taking place in the toy train business. While there is no mention of 'S' gauge in the article the revival is good news as it effects all gauges. I've included the link below. http://www.sunspot.net/content/archive/story?secti on=archive&pagename=story&storyid=1150520218489

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10897	From: Scott Brown	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Insurance

This is a post I got from another train list that I thought some of you might want to consider. I haven't seen this subject talked about here before. It is in response to a question about what is covered (toy train wise) under Homeowners insurance policies. Scott Brown Atlantic Coast S Gaugers Washington & Old Dominion Division I have checked with 3 independent Insurance sources on this, as well as my Homeowners carrier. They all say: Keep receipts, have them appraised and keep photos or a video of your collections, be they Lionel or Other items. Don't try and do too much alone. Line up your items and write out a list or if someone is shooting a good video, a very slow video under very good lighting, have a written script, and have it narrated as each item is filmed. I do that myself on occasion for others and other than Train collections. Make copies of the photos and video and your inventory and receipts and keep them OUT of the home at a relatives or friends home or safety box at the bank, in case of total fire or destruction of your home. The appraisal can be done by a certified Lionel Service Station, or sometimes they can refer a certified or experienced appraiser to you. I could NOT do MY own appraisal, due to 'conflict of interest', but I have done them for the Courts in Estate cases in Ohio. Household policies, will sell you rider policies to cover replacement values but they can not guarantee you will find at a train show, the items that you have lost do to theft, fire, etc. You should also list items like your computer equipment, home entertainment system and other replaceable items as well for the insurance company. It will speed up the claim then. If you have an independent Insurance agent, as I have for 29 years, they require rider policies on all "collections", of any kind. Take the photo, film or have a video professionally filmed and narrated, noting verbally the item, age, model, et. make a written list. It works. I had a disaster 3 years ago, without my rider and photos and hand written list I'd be out in the 10's of thousands right now, but I had the proof. Good luck. Jim ncicusa@... {a 50 year collector}, for real! (& a videographer/photographer for 12 years now).

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10898	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: [[S-Trains] Re: Box Car Cam]

"Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans" <comic@...> wrote: Looks like fun Paul!!! What's the cost of that do-hickey??? Rick. It cost me $80. see http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/loco_cam/vid_cam.html to see what that included. I am shooting some more pictures today. Paul Yorke http://www.S-Trains.com Model Trains / 3D Photography / Computer Support ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10899	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Box Car Cam Part 3

http://www.trainweb.org/s-trains/loco_cam/Box_Cam3.html Today's update. I bought this camera from http://www.x10.com/products/x10_vk45a.htm -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10900	From: Paul Yorke	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Yahoo Instant Messenger

I downloaded the Yahoo Instant messenger. It allows folks with a microphone on their PC to talk to other friends around the country and world. It is very cool. If you don't have a mike, get one they are as cheap as $9. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ Any Yahoo 'club friends' that you have identified will automatically show up on your Messenger 'friends' list. -- Paul Yorke - Indiantown Fl. American Flyer Trains - 3D Photography - Computers http://S-Trains.com (alt e-mail PaulYorke@...)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10901	From: Roger Hinds	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Box Car Cam Part 3

Looks like Paul came up with something really good. Could the camera be fit into a dummy locomotive? And pushed with another loco. Is the battery rechargeable and available at local stores? Anyway nice pictures Paul. I am considering getting one. Oh! - I have heard of pinhole cameras. (A real tiny lens) Any one looked into that? Swing and Sway the "S" gauge way Roger

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10902	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Happy New Millinum, & I won't be at Chat tonite

HI all! A very warm best wishes to all you great people! As we will be going to a steam friend's house for the evening (it is his 80th birthday) and he isn't on-line, I won't be at chat tonite, I will miss you all! I blew it last Sunday, was so busy with the family and getting stuff ready for Christmas, I FORGOT to log on (Although my nieces and nephew were probably on the computer anyway.) . Hope to chat with y'all next Sunday! S' David D. PS Got my Dispatch the other day, now to see where my previous two issues are. . . OH, a recurring theme seems to crop up in the lists, which can be summarized using a line from the movie, "The Graduate" ; "Plastics!, the future is in plastics!" ;-) (No, I'm not advocating one way or 'tother, just thought it might provide some levity.)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10903	From: Art Dameron	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??

I'm new at this but have been looking at the ebay auctions lately and track seems to go for about a dollar a piece and sometimes a little more so that would equal $208. A set of switches is approximately $50 so 4 sets adds another $200. An uncoupler tacks on another $15 making that total come to $423 without the rerailers or the bridge. Yes? --- In S-Trains@egroups.com, "David Dewey" <djdewey@c...> wrote: > HI all, > I noticed this auction on eBay, and can't understand the high price bid, > am I missing something in this lot that is high-dollar? The lot went for > $481! and consisted of: > a 581 bridge in like new condition > Eighty-nine pieces of straight track, eighty-eight curves, twenty- one half > straights, four 1" pieces, and six half curves --all like new > Three pairs of switches in good shape > One pair of switches with the rare sunburst design on the controller, and > the original box > Two rerailers, one in good shape and the other like new > One uncoupler track (Black track w/molded uncoupler > > The "rare sunburst" design is a controler with streaks of red in it from the > previouse batch of plastic, an uncommon, but known variation in ACG control > boxes, and even painted cars. > > So why so much moola?? > S' > David D.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10904	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: eBay price on auction, what am I missing here??

Art. Hmm, there's the clue I hadn't penciled out, as the track looks in really nice condition, so the straights are probably worth at least $2 each. Amazing how it all adds up in a hurry. On the other hand!. . . . when you buy in bulk like this, you usually get a discount! Thanks much! S' David D. PS Never trust a dyslexic (myself) to add in his head! ;-)

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10905	From: David Dewey	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] Happy New Millinum, & I won't be at Chat tonite

John, Great!!! wow, what service!! David Dewey 3435 Myers Street Oroville, CA 95966 Happy New year! S' David D PS Posted this to the group so you'd all see how quickly the problem has been solved! Ain't S people great!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10906	From: Larry Huff	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Looking for a loco w/ tender

Resurrecting my old American Flyer train set that was a Christmas present about 1950. Need an engine to get me going again. Doesn't have to look pretty .. as long as it runs good. Larry Huff Munroe Falls (near Akron), Oh

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10907	From: anormal1@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: What am I missing???

Hi the prices Quoted for the E-Bay sw's and track Might bring those prices if sold sep. My exp. is that if sold in a large lot the price is lower. I have also seen the Sw's go anywhere from the low 30's to well upwards. While I'm here anyone in the central & so. cal area should check out the free Calanders from OSH, Orchard Supply Hardware. Very nice train drawing Mike S.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10908	From: Rick {bAss-flyer} Evans	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Yahoo Instant Messenger

(((( Paul Yorke wrote: I downloaded the Yahoo Instant messenger. It allows folks with a microphone on their PC to talk to other friends around the country and world. It is very cool.)))) MSN also has a free instant messenger with voice chat. Had a great "FREE" chat with my uncles, aunts, and a cousin back in Minn. yesterday!! Don't ya love the "FREE" word???? Rick. P.S.....won't be a chat tonight, hope to catch you all next week. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!!

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10909	From: cbtrainnut@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Cincinnati Museum

When Beth and I were in Cincy last week, there was an engine (1055 Texas Special) By Lionel that had a camera installed in it. Very Clear crisp picture. Like wathing the Phillips Digital Televisions almost(I 've got to admit it's getting better). You won't believe this, but the comeercial just came on as I am typing this. I must be warped! Any way, the guy who had this set up was from cincy. I got the last card with his name and number. His last name was Sellars I believe. I will find out more as soon as possible. Oh yea, the lens looked to be as big as a nickel. he had it located under the original headlight.Kind of looked like a mars light the way he had it mounted. Well, time to get ready to pour Champagne for the Dayton Philharmonic's Vienesse New Years Party. Next week I will make the chat. They are nice to talk with everyone. Hope Everyone Has a Safe and Prosperous New Year. Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10910	From: Gerald R Dobbs	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Digest Number 860

Front truck spring replacement. Two methods. one : remove truck and guide assembly from loco. , start with the large dia. end of the spring. Put the end of the spring on one side of the rivet and the remaining spring on the other and slowly turn the spring around and around to wind the spring on the rivet. or second: remove truck and guide assembly from loco. With a pair of small wire cutters, carefully work the swaged end of the rivet back to it's original straight configuration Intel the rivet can be removed. put the spring in place (don' t forget the washer on top and large dia. of the spring on down. Jerry 77-11644 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10911	From: S-Trains@egroups.com	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Reminder - Sunday Chat

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. Sunday Chat Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 Time: 8:00PM - 9:30PM EST (GMT-05:00) Weekly Yahoo Chat at S-Trains Club Page http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/strains

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10912	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: [Fwd: [showcaseline] Ore Cars]

-- Don Thompson S Helper Service Inc. http://www.showcaseline.com 1.800.465.0303 40' Billboard Reefers are now shipping! http://www.showcaseline.com/woodenreefers_in_stock.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10913	From: johnbraker@webtv.net	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: a.f. flatcar i.d. assistance

Hi all, New to group and can use a little help id'ing an American Flyer Flatcar I recently acquired. I think it's a 628.It has a gray plastic chassis,with wooden log load.Stamped metal trucks with links couplers without the weights. Says C&NWRY 42597 on the side of the flatcar. Or can this be a 627. Would appreciate any help anyone can offer. John Braker

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10914	From: Don Thompson	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Re: Ore Cars

An open message I received from Ken Zieska... As Don mentioned , I am starting an effort to get Ore Cars produced by SHS. My goal is to get the commitments and funding in place to assure a first quarter 2002 delivery. Being involved with a small business, I understand the limitations that capital place on new products yet I believe that we need to have more new freight cars and cars that may find a new nitch of medelers who can be attracted to S. When this was first discussed, there was immediate comment that we needed a gondola or... well you name it. I understand that there are many things we need in S but I am putting my efforts behind the Ore car for several simple reasons. first, they are unique. A new gondola would be great for our existing modeling base but would it attract attention from the modeling public? I am of the opinion that it would not. Second, Ore cars are something that many modelers could use only one six pack of. Many modern railroads and shortlines have bought used ore cars for sand and ballest service. Last, Ore cars are a model that many of us will want 18, 24, 30 or more of, this will make this an easier task to get this project done. Remember, Don needs a commitment for 300 of the six packs, not 100 different people wanting three each. Personally, I intend to have two series of 24-36 cars. One will be loaded and one empty. They will travel east from hidden storeage, taking the overland route via the Northern Pacific to steel mills in Indiana and Ohio. They will come out of hidden storeage as westbounds empties headed back to DaRange. The model that we are looking at is DM&IR (perhaps class U18) with a cast steel underframe. This will make it heavy enough to track well and its design looks very similar to the design the Great Northern, C&NW, Milwaukee, SOO, NP, CN and B&LE had. I am asking that the wooden side extenders that were added when the cars went into taconite service be made as a separate piece so the modeler could add them if desired. I would also like to see a "load" done and couplers available to allow close coupling. There is still much to do. I need help identifying every road that had this style of car. The UP photo Don posted could be the same style car, I need a positive identification. As this is happening, please drop me a note and I will add you to the list and keep you informed on our progress. Send any information or stores you might have about Ore cars usage, it will be useful as I am putting together the publicity. We need to settle on the most likely road names by the middle of January so we can get an order form done. Don asks for payments done in 1/3 installments, one to get the project foing, 1/3 to start tooling and 1/3 for production. I have twenty some years of experience with Don, Mike and Robin and I personally know that if the project is committed to they will get it done and done correctly. Please consider your support. Ken Zieska

Group: S-Trains	Message: 10915	From: Wayne and Alice Beachy	Date: 12/31/2000
Subject: Atlantic Coast S Gaugers

Hi All, Some of the members of the Atlantic Coast S Gaugers, Virginia Central Division from Richmond and Tidewater Virginia area will have an operating 4 X 8 layout and information table at the Virginia Beach Greenberg show this weekend (weather permitting). We will be recruiting members for a proposed Tidewater Division of the ACSG. If you are in the area, stop by to see us. If you know anyone in the area, write or call them to come by so we can meet them. The show is January 6 and 7 at the Virginia Beach Pavilion. Hope to see you there. Wayne Beachy Virginia Central Division Atlantic Coast S Gaugers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]