Messages in AquaticLife group. Page 1 of 1.

Group: AquaticLife Message: 25208 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25209 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25210 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25211 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25212 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25213 From: bmp Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25214 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25215 From: diane none Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25216 From: bmp Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25217 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25218 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25219 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25220 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25221 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25222 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25223 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25224 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25225 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25226 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25227 From: Diane Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25228 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25229 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25230 From: William Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25231 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25232 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25233 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25234 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25235 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25236 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25237 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25238 From: William Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25239 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25240 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25241 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25242 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25243 From: Kate Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25244 From: Carmen H Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25245 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: changing flters...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25246 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25247 From: Angela Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25248 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25249 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25250 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25251 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25252 From: Angela Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25253 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25254 From: Michael Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: live plant clippings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25255 From: Michael Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Does anyone near Harvard, IL 60033 want Water Wisteria LIVE PLANTS?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25256 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25257 From: Angela Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25258 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25259 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25260 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25261 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25262 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25263 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25264 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: New fishaholic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25265 From: asbo032000 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: hEY
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25266 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Bark background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25267 From: ialreadytaken4 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: want to have live plants got q's 1st
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25268 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25269 From: Carmen H Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25270 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25271 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: New fishaholic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25272 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25273 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25274 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25275 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25276 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25277 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25278 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25279 From: asbo032000 Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25280 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Cork Bark Reference
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25281 From: pinkvock Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25282 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25283 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25284 From: Christine Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: New Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25285 From: bmp Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25286 From: Rei - Raymond Tremor Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25287 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25288 From: Red Terror Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: information
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25289 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25290 From: bmp Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25291 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25292 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25293 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25294 From: Carmen H Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25295 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25296 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25297 From: Carmen H Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25298 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25299 From: ipartyforfun Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25300 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25301 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25302 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25303 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25304 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25305 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25306 From: Bobby & Jennifer Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25307 From: Warren Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: New to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25308 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25309 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25310 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25311 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25312 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25313 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Totally off topic.. crates...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25314 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25315 From: ipartyforfun Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Totally off topic.. crates...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25316 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25317 From: Colby Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Electric eels, et. al.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25318 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25319 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25320 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25321 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25322 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25323 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25324 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Electric eels, et. al.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25325 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25326 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25327 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25328 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25329 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25330 From: Angela Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [AquaticLife] Electric eels, et. al.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25331 From: diane none Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25332 From: William Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25333 From: Kit Mus Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25334 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25335 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25336 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Adding New Fish in Multiples
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25337 From: William Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Adding New Fish in Multiples
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25338 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: overstocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25339 From: Kevin Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25340 From: Roberto Marchesini Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Hi everyone!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25341 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25342 From: taman.airku Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Hi !
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25343 From: brian_patrick_pierce06 Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: looking for advice with my betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25344 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25345 From: Nur Kahnert Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25346 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Endlers Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25347 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25349 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Endlers Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25350 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25351 From: bmp Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Cutting the back strip on a Versa Top
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25352 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25353 From: tteitgen Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Aquarium Trim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25354 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Trim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25355 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Trim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25356 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25357 From: Jodi Lynn Reeves Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Adding a under the gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25358 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Adding a under the gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25359 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Cutting the back strip on a Versa Top
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25360 From: mlfrancis2001 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25361 From: William Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25362 From: Blue fish Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: View latest videos of Marine animals
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25363 From: Andreas Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: nano cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25364 From: pbarry717 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Moving house
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25365 From: Cory Walter Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25366 From: mlfrancis2001 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25367 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25368 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: new to this group but need help on my fry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25369 From: Carmen H Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25370 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: nano cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25371 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25372 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: nano cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25373 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Help...fish stuck in biocube
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25374 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help...fish stuck in biocube
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25375 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25376 From: donna matherly Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Help...fish stuck in biocube
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25377 From: Judith Downing Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Aquarium magazines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25378 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25379 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25380 From: Cleo H Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25381 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25382 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25383 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium magazines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25384 From: pinkvock Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: water advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25385 From: joe t Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25386 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: water advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25387 From: Tony Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: water advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25388 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25389 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25390 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25391 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Offspring of Different Blind Cave Fish Can See
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25392 From: C.M. Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25393 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25394 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25395 From: ljjh68 Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: detritus worms
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25396 From: Jacqui Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25397 From: Wendie Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25398 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25399 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25400 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: detritus worms
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25401 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25402 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25403 From: jett07002 Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Coloring Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25404 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25405 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Coloring Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25406 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25407 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25408 From: Jacqui Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25409 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25410 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Coloring Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25411 From: Gregg Taylor Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: New to Oscars and needing help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25412 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25413 From: Gregg Taylor Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25414 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25415 From: friendtoallfish Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: red clawed crabs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25416 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: red clawed crabs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25417 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: red clawed crabs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25418 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Plastic Plant Care
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25420 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25421 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Plastic Plant Care
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25422 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25423 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25424 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25425 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25426 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25427 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25428 From: sirazgiga Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: RedSea Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25429 From: Farscape Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25430 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25431 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25432 From: Melissa Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25433 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25434 From: Melissa Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25435 From: Jodi Lynn Reeves Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25436 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25437 From: bmp Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Mopani wood v. Swahala wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25438 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25439 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25440 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25441 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25442 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25443 From: James Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25444 From: James Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25445 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Can anyone suggest a good skimmer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25446 From: dtrc rc Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25447 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25448 From: smallron77 Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Fake Aquarium Rocks "So Light and So Real Looking"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25449 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25450 From: Angela Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25451 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25452 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25453 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25454 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25455 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25456 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25457 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25458 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Question regarding algae growth in new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25459 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25460 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25461 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25462 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in new tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25463 From: Curtis Taylor Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25464 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25465 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25466 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25467 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25468 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Neons/Endlers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25469 From: bmp Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Neons/Endlers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25470 From: Vanessa Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Hey thats my turtle!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25471 From: harry perry Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hey thats my turtle!/Vanessa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25472 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25473 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25474 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Turtle Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25475 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25476 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25477 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25478 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25479 From: tonya shriver Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25480 From: bruce cohen Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: fish stores Run Run Run away
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25481 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25482 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25483 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Substrate Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25484 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25485 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25486 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25487 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25488 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: How to get nitrate level down
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25489 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25490 From: bmp Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25491 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25492 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25493 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25494 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25495 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25496 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25497 From: bmp Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25498 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: HSUS
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25499 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25500 From: Hamrad Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25501 From: hamrad45 Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25502 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25503 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25504 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25505 From: Angela Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25506 From: bruce cohen Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: wallmart vs petco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25507 From: Brian Pierce Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25508 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25509 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25510 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: How to get nitrate level down
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25511 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25512 From: aaron102272 Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25513 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25514 From: James Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25515 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25516 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25518 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25519 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25520 From: Angela Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25521 From: Frederic Ouellet Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25522 From: William Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25523 From: Rich Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: New member, stocking question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25524 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25525 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: New member, stocking question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25526 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25527 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: New member, stocking question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25528 From: Amy Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: wallmart vs petco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25529 From: Amy Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Labelled My Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25530 From: Blue fish Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25531 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25532 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25533 From: iowakoi Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: New member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25534 From: o1bigtenor Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25535 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25536 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25537 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25538 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25539 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25540 From: o1bigtenor Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25541 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25542 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25543 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25544 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25545 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25546 From: John Hawley Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: University of Minnesota KHV Testing & Carp Control Research
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25547 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25548 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25549 From: Anndrea Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25550 From: William Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25551 From: William Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25552 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25553 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25554 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25555 From: Anndrea S Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25556 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25557 From: clubsprint Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Newbie community question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25558 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25559 From: Blue fish Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: View latest videos of Marine animals
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25560 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25561 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25562 From: rn_ple Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: another introduction....newbie...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25563 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25564 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25565 From: ED Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25566 From: William Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25567 From: Kate Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25568 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25569 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25570 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25571 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25572 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25573 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25574 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25575 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25576 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25577 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25578 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25579 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25580 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25581 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25582 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25583 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25584 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25585 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25586 From: Diane Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: elephant fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25587 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25588 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25589 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25590 From: hank voss Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25591 From: Blue fish Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25592 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25593 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25594 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: elephant fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25595 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: elephant fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25596 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Inkfin Calvus
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25597 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: The sound of glass breaking,ahhhh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25598 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25599 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25600 From: Kevin Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: 2 questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25601 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: The sound of glass breaking,ahhhh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25602 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25603 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25604 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25605 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25606 From: whjordan83 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25607 From: Andreas Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25608 From: in_my_mind19 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25609 From: blueyz75@charter.net Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: introductions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25610 From: Kevin Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25611 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25612 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25613 From: Carmen H Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25614 From: Carmen H Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25615 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25616 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25617 From: whjordan83 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25618 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25619 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25620 From: jviswakula Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Aquarium Network /Auction/Webstore
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25621 From: in_my_mind19 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25622 From: Di Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Just uploaded a few new pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25623 From: coryswalter Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Thoughts on Skilters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25624 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25625 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Gourami valium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25626 From: ED Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25627 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25628 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25629 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25630 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Adding a store to the LFS section
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25631 From: Kate Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25632 From: William Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25633 From: jason horyak Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: requesting recommendations
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25634 From: Amy Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Turbo Snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25635 From: Carmen H Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25636 From: jason horyak Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25637 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25638 From: exquisitebeauty1976 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: advice please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25639 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25640 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: advice please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25641 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25642 From: bmp Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25643 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25644 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25645 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25646 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25647 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25648 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25649 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25650 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25651 From: AquaticLife™ Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25653 From: Widi Rahman Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: new tips
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25654 From: wil Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Nano fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25655 From: Jenn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25656 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25657 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25658 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25659 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25660 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Question about diatoms in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25661 From: maybelline101 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25662 From: bmp Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25663 From: Carmen H Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25664 From: William Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25665 From: weiyuansun Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25666 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25667 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25668 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25669 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25670 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25671 From: andrewhall999 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Juwel Users Forum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25672 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Juwel Users Forum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25673 From: jules27au Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25674 From: Peaches Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25675 From: Weiyuan Sun Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25676 From: my_cycling Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25677 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25678 From: William Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25679 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25680 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25681 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25682 From: my_cycling Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25683 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25684 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25685 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25686 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25687 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25688 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25689 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25690 From: Zinfin Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25691 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25692 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25693 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25694 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25695 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25696 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25697 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25698 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25699 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25700 From: Tonya Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25701 From: Tonya Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25702 From: Wendie Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25703 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25704 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25705 From: derwag Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25706 From: tonya shriver Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25707 From: nice6669 Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: fresh water rays
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25708 From: Jenn Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25709 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25710 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25711 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25712 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25713 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25714 From: Gregg Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Terrible day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25715 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25716 From: my_cycling Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25717 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25718 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25719 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25720 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25721 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25722 From: hank voss Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25723 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25724 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25725 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25726 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25727 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25728 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25729 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25730 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25731 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25732 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25733 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Angel Breeding Info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25734 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Breeding Info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25735 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Breeding Info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25736 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25737 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25738 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Pictures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25739 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Pictures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25740 From: Anndrea Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25741 From: Anndrea Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25742 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25743 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25744 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25745 From: bmp Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25746 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25747 From: maybelline101 Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25748 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25749 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25750 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25751 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25752 From: Jenn Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25753 From: Jenn Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Best algae eater EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25754 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25755 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Best algae eater EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25756 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25757 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25758 From: my_cycling Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25759 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25760 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25761 From: mitra19822003 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25762 From: Anita Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25763 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25764 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25765 From: Paula Brown Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Pleco Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25766 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25767 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25768 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25769 From: Anita Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25770 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25771 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25772 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25773 From: Kelly Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: New and in trouble already!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25774 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25775 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25776 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25777 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25778 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25779 From: Gregg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25780 From: Gregg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Guppies and Kermit the Crab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25781 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Rescue work -Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25782 From: rahj_dg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Ghost Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25783 From: my_cycling Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Should I sell my convicts?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25784 From: Abbey Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25785 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25786 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25787 From: Rhonda Wilson Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Ghost Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25788 From: bmp Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25789 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25790 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25791 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Need Suggestions for cleaning crew
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25792 From: bruce cohen Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Suggestions for cleaning crew
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25793 From: Kelly Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Kermit the Crab Died :(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25794 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Kermit the Crab Died :(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25795 From: Angela Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Kermit the Crab Died :(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25796 From: bmp Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Guppies and Kermit the Crab and the Border Wall
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25797 From: Abbey Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25798 From: Abbey Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25799 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25800 From: Jenn Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25801 From: Jenn Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Not in regards to fish, but cool anyway...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25802 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25803 From: nice6669 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: fillters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25804 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25805 From: Davis Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: "Mini" reef ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25806 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25807 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25808 From: iowakoi Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Spring pond care
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25809 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Should I sell my convicts?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25810 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25811 From: Ron Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25812 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25813 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25814 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25815 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25816 From: �H3ATH3R� Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25817 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25818 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25819 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25820 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25821 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25822 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Betta feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25823 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25824 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Betta feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25825 From: bmp Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie/Danios
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25826 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie/Betty
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25827 From: runescapeboy07 Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: little help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25828 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: little help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25829 From: Lynn Francis Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: little help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25830 From: Lynn Francis Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: "Mini" reef ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25832 From: Becky Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: New here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25833 From: Blue fish Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25834 From: Dan Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Conversion time...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25835 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Conversion time...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25836 From: Kelly Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25837 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25838 From: Kelly Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25839 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25840 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25841 From: Kelly Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25842 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25843 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25844 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25845 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25846 From: Sigbackoffice Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25847 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25848 From: Carmen H Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25849 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25850 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25851 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25852 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25853 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25854 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25855 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25856 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25857 From: Dale Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: "Mini" reef ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25858 From: Amy Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: HELP.......Anyone know what to do with a tadpole?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25859 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: HELP.......Anyone know what to do with a tadpole?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25860 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: HELP.......Anyone know what to do with a tadpole?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25861 From: Amy Date: 2/14/2008
Subject: Re: HELP.......Anyone know what to do with a tadpole?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25862 From: Lynn Francis Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: "Mini" reef ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25863 From: Heather Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25864 From: Debra Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25865 From: Heather Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25866 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25867 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25868 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25869 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25870 From: s.billock Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: New member looking for advice in first saltwater setup
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25871 From: Jenn Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25872 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25873 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25874 From: luke leming Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: my first plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25875 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/15/2008
Subject: Re: my first plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25876 From: Jim Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25877 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25878 From: luke leming Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25879 From: luke leming Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: my first plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25880 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: my first plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25881 From: James Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25882 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: What fish would work well with danios?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25883 From: James Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: my first plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25884 From: Wendie Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25885 From: Carmen H Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25886 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25887 From: Carmen H Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25888 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25889 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25890 From: Carmen H Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25891 From: Carmen H Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25892 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25893 From: arunkhinchi70 Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Tonight was a pain in the 4$$...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25894 From: Blue fish Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: View latest videos of Marine animals
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25895 From: kathy Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25896 From: Heather Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: can i send someone pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25897 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Trying to send pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25898 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: Trying to send pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25899 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25900 From: harry perry Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25901 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25902 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25903 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25904 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25905 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25906 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/16/2008
Subject: Re: can i send someone pics/Try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25907 From: Kevin E Boyle Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25908 From: kathy wells Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25909 From: my_cycling Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25910 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25911 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25912 From: marsha wilburn Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25913 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25914 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25915 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25916 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25917 From: kathy wells Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25918 From: blclcc1 Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25919 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25920 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25921 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/17/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25922 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25923 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25924 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25925 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25926 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25927 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25928 From: ED Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25929 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25930 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Cleaning artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25931 From: Chad Plum Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25932 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25933 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25934 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25935 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25936 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Thanks John
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25937 From: Debra Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25938 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25939 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25940 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25941 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25942 From: Jim Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Home-made slates for eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25943 From: Sigbackoffice Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Hair Algae Outbreak
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25944 From: Sigbackoffice Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25945 From: Sigbackoffice Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: New Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25946 From: Amy Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: tadpole update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25947 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: tadpole update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25948 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/18/2008
Subject: Re: New Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25949 From: Pat Jellison Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25950 From: theaquariumfish Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: ATTN: Business Owners and Group Owners - Free Advertising
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25951 From: Amy Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: tadpole update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25952 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25953 From: Richdeer3 Pond Supplies Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25954 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25955 From: kathy wells Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25956 From: olesonjo Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: adopted goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25957 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: adopted goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25958 From: tomentosus Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: marine salt for feshwater aquiariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25959 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/19/2008
Subject: Re: marine salt for feshwater aquiariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25960 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: marine salt for freshwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25961 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: marine salt for feshwater aquiariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25962 From: pinkvock Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25963 From: babsdvs Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25964 From: splitscreenvol Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: marine tank ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25965 From: joelsmum1999 Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Fuzz on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25966 From: the_skull_of_truth Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: FISH FORUM!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25967 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25968 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25969 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25970 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: Fuzz on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25971 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: marine tank ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25972 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/20/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25973 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: I can totally relate to pain in the 4$$ Jim
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25974 From: joelsmum1999 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Fuzz on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25975 From: JFazio Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: white on mouth of tetra/angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25976 From: joe t Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: What happened to 4 neons at once?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25977 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25978 From: margo0621 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Just stardted :)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25979 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Just stardted :)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25980 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Just stardted :)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25981 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25982 From: sheriartist57 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: gourami fry,3 days old
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25983 From: sheriartist57 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Dwarf Gourami Babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25984 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25985 From: asbo032000 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: OH DEAR
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25986 From: Jenn Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Blue-green algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25987 From: olesonjo Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: adopted goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25988 From: sheriartist57 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Blue-green algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25989 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Blue-green algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25990 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Salt Water tanks for Beginners
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25991 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: gourami fry,3 days old
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25992 From: Anndrea Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25993 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Blue-green algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25994 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25995 From: Anndrea Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25996 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25997 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25998 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25999 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26000 From: Melissa Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26001 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26002 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26003 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26004 From: Jenn Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Blue-green algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26005 From: Jenn Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Back to the breeding question...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26006 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26007 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26008 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26009 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/21/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26010 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Back to the breeding question...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26011 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: gourami fry,3 days old
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26012 From: sheriartist57 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Informative page on algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26013 From: sheriartist57 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: gourami fry,3 days old
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26014 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26015 From: ED Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26016 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26017 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: n00b Betta questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26018 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Home-made slates for eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26019 From: Jenn Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Back to the breeding question...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26020 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26021 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26022 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: n00b Betta questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26023 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: n00b Betta questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26024 From: Whidbey Island Wanderlusting Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Correction about Betta Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26025 From: Margarita Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Just stardted :)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26026 From: pennyleehaynee Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: stocking a tall tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26027 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: stocking a tall tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26028 From: kathy wells Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Salt Water tanks for Beginners
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26029 From: harry perry Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: gourami fry,3 days old/I breed gouramis
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26030 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: what else would you recommend?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26031 From: bruce cohen Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Salt Water tanks for Beginners
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26032 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: what else would you recommend?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26033 From: Carmen H Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26034 From: Kevin Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: question about my female betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26035 From: agolden85 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: New to this...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26036 From: Robert 1 Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: New to this...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26037 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/22/2008
Subject: Re: New to this...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26038 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: n00b Betta questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26039 From: Anndrea Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I got the hex tank going good, I think...BUT.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26040 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26041 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26042 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26043 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26044 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26045 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Re: New to this...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26046 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: For the collectors of things fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26047 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/23/2008
Subject: Make your own 220 volt backup power supply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26048 From: Amy Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Hey that is my "Thing"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26049 From: Amy Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: for Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26050 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Make your own 220 volt backup power supply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26051 From: Amy Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Grass Valley, CA
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26052 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Grass Valley, CA
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26053 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: for Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26054 From: coryswalter Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Angel question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26055 From: Amy Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: for Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26056 From: JFazio Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: for Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26057 From: Jim Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Pics posted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26058 From: deborahgd14 Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Egg pictures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26059 From: nicolettewall Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Help!! I have a question about my fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26060 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help!! I have a question about my fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26061 From: nate Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26062 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26063 From: Nathan Eshleman Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26064 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26065 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 2/24/2008
Subject: Coldwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26066 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Coldwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26067 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Coldwater aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26068 From: ED Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: water evaporating problem.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26069 From: Paula Brown Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26070 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Removing Algae from artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26071 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26072 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26073 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26074 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Removing Algae from artificial plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26075 From: Shelley Kate Coffman Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Swordtails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26076 From: shari rivenburg Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26077 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26078 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26079 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26080 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: FW: [AquaticLife] newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26081 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Swordtails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26082 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26083 From: Jim Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: What's going on?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26084 From: Jim Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26085 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26086 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26087 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: What's going on?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26088 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: What's going on?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26089 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26090 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26091 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26092 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Upgrading from 29 to 55gallons
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26093 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26094 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/25/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26095 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Swordtails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26096 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26097 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26098 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26099 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26100 From: Luke Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: angel fish chokeing?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26101 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26102 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26103 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26104 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26105 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26106 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Dead goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26107 From: Anndrea Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26108 From: Frederic Ouellet Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26109 From: Anndrea Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26110 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26111 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26112 From: my_cycling Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: newbie question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26113 From: Anndrea Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26114 From: ED Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: angel fish chokeing?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26115 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26116 From: Anndrea Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26117 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26118 From: Anndrea Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26119 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26120 From: Jon Pearl - W4ABC Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26121 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26122 From: fhzcmc Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: messenger fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26123 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26124 From: theaquariumfish Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26125 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26126 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26127 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: DIY CO2
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26128 From: Me Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26129 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: messenger fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26130 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Additives
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26131 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26132 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26133 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26134 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26135 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Transporting fish a lonnng way???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26136 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26137 From: ipartyforfun Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26138 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/26/2008
Subject: Re: Source of Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26139 From: ED Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26140 From: ED Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26141 From: babsdvs Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26142 From: Melissa Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26143 From: shari rivenburg Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26144 From: AquaticLife™ Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26145 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26146 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26147 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26148 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26149 From: Melissa Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26150 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26151 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26152 From: bmp Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26153 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26154 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26155 From: Melissa Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26156 From: ED Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26157 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26158 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26159 From: joe t Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26160 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26161 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: UV Sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26162 From: Poul Wehner Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: UV Sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26163 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: UV Sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26164 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26165 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26166 From: Debra Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26167 From: ED Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26168 From: Debra Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26169 From: Debra Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26170 From: Jim Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26171 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26172 From: Jim Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26173 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26174 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Problem with Chocolate Chip Starfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26175 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26176 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question (for Lenny)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26177 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26178 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26179 From: bmp Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26180 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26181 From: bmp Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26182 From: bmp Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26183 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Re: Fungus--guppies--what I've done so far
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26184 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 2/28/2008
Subject: Big white spot on my swordtail?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26185 From: marsha wilburn Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Chocolate Chip Starfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26186 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26187 From: bmp Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26188 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Big white spot on my swordtail?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26189 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Big white spot on my swordtail?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26190 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26191 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Chocolate Chip Starfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26192 From: Carmen H Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Injured Angel?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26193 From: Richdeer3 Pond Supplies Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: book suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26194 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Injured Angel?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26195 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Tank design/arrangement help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26196 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Chocolate Chip Starfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26197 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Tank design/arrangement help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26198 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: UV Sterilizer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26199 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Question - Tank design/arrangement help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26200 From: ED Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26201 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26202 From: ED Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26203 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26204 From: ED Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26205 From: harry perry Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri/Algae eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26206 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26207 From: harry perry Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, /Algae eaters, another link
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26208 From: marsha wilburn Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Problem with Chocolate Chip Starfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26209 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: New Question - Tank design/arrangement help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26210 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26211 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Small pet shops
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26212 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26213 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26214 From: joe t Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26215 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/29/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26216 From: Blue fish Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26217 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Ghost Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26218 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Shipping question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26219 From: Andreas Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26220 From: Debra Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26221 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26222 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26223 From: Debra Date: 3/1/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26224 From: judy_be Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26225 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26226 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26227 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26228 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26229 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Siamese Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26230 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Siamese Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26231 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Siamese Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26232 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26233 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26234 From: Sam Palermo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26235 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26236 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26237 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26238 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26239 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26240 From: William J. Scott Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: aquarium furniture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26241 From: Tina Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26242 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Siamese Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26243 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium (now a little more about Purigen)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26244 From: babsdvs Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Bottled water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26245 From: Tina Stawicki Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26246 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Bottled water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26247 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26248 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26249 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26250 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26251 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates in the Aquarium (now a little more about Purigen)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26252 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26253 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26254 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26255 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26256 From: Jenn Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Tank mate suggestions.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26257 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26258 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/2/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mate suggestions.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26259 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26260 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26261 From: Tina Stawicki Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26262 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: new and I have a question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26263 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26264 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Looking for a name
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26265 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater, Gyrinocheilus aymonieri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26266 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26267 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Knife Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26268 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26269 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26270 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26271 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Online sites to buy aquarium plants ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26272 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26273 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Under gravel filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26274 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26275 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Under gravel filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26276 From: ED Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Under gravel filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26277 From: luke leming Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: wierd fuzzy little things on my plant?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26278 From: Rob and Amy Zerkle Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: The Columbus Ohio FIsh Club is having a swap and sale on saturday Ma
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26279 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26280 From: nice6669 Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26281 From: jason horyak Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26282 From: Debra Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: F/U: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26283 From: circus0s Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: guppies,please help!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26284 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Online sites to buy aquarium plants ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26285 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: Online sites to buy aquarium plants ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26286 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/3/2008
Subject: Re: F/U: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26287 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Under gravel filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26288 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Online sites to buy aquarium plants ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26289 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Potted Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26290 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Aquatic Plant Reference page
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26291 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Rainbow fish reference site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26292 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26293 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Fresh vegetables
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26294 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26295 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26296 From: babsdvs Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26297 From: ED Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26298 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26299 From: ED Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26300 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Undergravel Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26301 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26302 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: guppies,please help!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26303 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Guppies reference page
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26304 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Concerned and curious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26305 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26306 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Concerned and curious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26307 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Concerned and curious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26308 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mate suggestions.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26309 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26310 From: Tim Fairchild Date: 3/4/2008
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish reference site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26311 From: ED Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26312 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26313 From: Anndrea Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Lights and algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26314 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Lights and algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26315 From: sim.amaranth Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26316 From: bruce cohen Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26317 From: Nicolette Wall Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Help!! I have a question about my fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26318 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26319 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Help!! I have a question about my fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26320 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish reference site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26321 From: ED Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26322 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26323 From: ED Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26324 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26325 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: "old-school" gravel cleaner?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26326 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Plant Stand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26327 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Stand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26328 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26329 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Plant Stand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26330 From: mbsvmonkey Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Stand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26331 From: circus0s Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: guppies,please help!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26332 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 3/5/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Stand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26333 From: Tim Fairchild Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Rainbow fish reference site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26334 From: Blue fish Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26335 From: Rhonda Wilson Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26336 From: ED Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: is RO water absolutely necessary for Discus?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26337 From: ED Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26338 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26339 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Lights and algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26340 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Gravel Cleaner/Siphon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26341 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26342 From: jgana10 Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26343 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26344 From: Robert Mazur Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Playfull betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26345 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26346 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26347 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/6/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26348 From: Rhonda Wilson Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water, Salt flats, basements, moving fishrooms, lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26349 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26350 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaner/Siphon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26351 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26352 From: Debra Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26353 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26354 From: ED Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26355 From: ED Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26356 From: jgana10 Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26357 From: jgana10 Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26358 From: Jason Miller Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: new
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26359 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: new
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26360 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: plants arrived - now what? =)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26361 From: Debra Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: plants arrived - now what? =)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26362 From: armstrongm44 Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26363 From: circus0s Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: should i be worried?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26364 From: bmp Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: plants arrived - now what? =)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26365 From: Jim Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Stocking a 20 Gallon Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26366 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking a 20 Gallon Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26367 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water, Salt flats, basements, moving fishrooms, lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26368 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26369 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26370 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26371 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26372 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: plants arrived - now what? =)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26373 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26374 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26375 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26376 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking a 20 Gallon Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26377 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water, Salt flats, basements, moving fishrooms, lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26378 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26379 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26380 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26381 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26382 From: Tim Fairchild Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26383 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26384 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26385 From: Amy Date: 3/7/2008
Subject: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26386 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26387 From: Tim Fairchild Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26388 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: should i be worried?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26389 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Fish releasing eggs???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26390 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Used Water, Salt flats, basements, moving fishrooms, lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26391 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26392 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Question about salt?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26393 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fish releasing eggs???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26394 From: hank voss Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fish releasing eggs???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26395 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26396 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26397 From: Jason Miller Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: new
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26398 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Fish releasing eggs???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26399 From: jgana10 Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26400 From: renee31477 Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26401 From: Amy Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26402 From: marsha wilburn Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26403 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26404 From: Kris Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: White Cloud Mountain Minnows
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26405 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: White Cloud Mountain Minnows
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26406 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/8/2008
Subject: Re: White Cloud Mountain Minnows
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26407 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26408 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26409 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26410 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26411 From: armstrongm44 Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26412 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Question on white poo subject.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26413 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26414 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26415 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Question on white poo subject.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26416 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26417 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26418 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Question on white poo subject.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26419 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: Disease question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26420 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: My crazy Golden "Chinese" Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26421 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: My crazy Golden "Chinese" Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26422 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/9/2008
Subject: Re: My crazy Golden "Chinese" Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26423 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26424 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26425 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26426 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26427 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26428 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26429 From: Debra Melton Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Angel Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26430 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26431 From: William J. Scott Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26432 From: Amy Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26433 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26434 From: Amy Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: An Alliance? Perhaps?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26435 From: shari rivenburg Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: silly question????????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26436 From: kathy wells Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26437 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: silly question????????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26438 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: reference for heavy metals in aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26439 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Lead weights-caution
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26440 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: silly question????????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26441 From: Debra Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26442 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: reference for heavy metals in aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26443 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26444 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/10/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26445 From: ED Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26446 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: silly question????????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26447 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26448 From: hank voss Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: silly question????????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26449 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26450 From: ED Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26451 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Platy in the plant...?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26452 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: False Alarm on Platy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26453 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Platy in the plant...?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26454 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/11/2008
Subject: Re: Platy in the plant...?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26455 From: renee31477 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26456 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26457 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26458 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26459 From: Beverly Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26460 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26461 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26462 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26463 From: ED Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26464 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26465 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26466 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Low tech tank was [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26467 From: Debra Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26468 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: RE : RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26469 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26470 From: Richdeer3 Pond Supplies Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Fun facts to share
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26471 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Low tech tank was [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26472 From: waves02 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: large goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26473 From: Chris Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26474 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26475 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26476 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: large goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26477 From: skurjak Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26478 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Low tech tank was [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26479 From: kathy Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Help: red/purple slime algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26480 From: waves02 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: large goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26481 From: Anndrea Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26482 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26483 From: Anndrea Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26484 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26485 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26486 From: renee31477 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26487 From: renee31477 Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: plants in 10 gallon ( WAS Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26488 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/12/2008
Subject: Re: plants in 10 gallon ( WAS Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26489 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help: red/purple slime algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26490 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] plants in 10 gallon ( WAS Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Ligh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26491 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] plants in 10 gallon ( WAS Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Ligh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26492 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26493 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : RE : RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26494 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: My 220 gal. low light tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26495 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26496 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Plant Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26497 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26498 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it o
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26499 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Low tech tank was [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26500 From: Carmen H Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26501 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] 10 Gallon Hood/Light
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26502 From: Amy Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Update on the Guppie who swims with "Sharks"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26503 From: michelle_brown134 Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Do To Issues Beyond My Control, I Must Leave
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26504 From: scrapbookjulia Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: HELP!! Baffled by Fish deaths
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26505 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Do To Issues Beyond My Control, I Must Leave
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26506 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Do To Issues Beyond My Control, I Must Leave
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26507 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Help: red/purple slime algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26508 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP!! Baffled by Fish deaths
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26509 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Sick Betta Update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26510 From: Anndrea Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26511 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26512 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26513 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta Update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26514 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26515 From: Eric Roberts Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26516 From: scrapbookjulia Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP!! Baffled by Fish deaths
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26517 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26518 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Choice of fish for breeding , you bring it on the subject Ray
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26519 From: Dave Shives Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26520 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26521 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26522 From: Anndrea Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26523 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26524 From: Dave Shives Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26525 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26526 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP!! Baffled by Fish deaths
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26527 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26528 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26529 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : RE : RE : [AquaticLife] Re: 10 Gallon Hood/Light,
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26530 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26531 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26532 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26533 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26534 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/13/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26535 From: Pam Briggs Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26536 From: Chad Plum Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Quality Fish Stores in Cleveland Ohio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26537 From: Poul Wehner Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26538 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Guppy Killers?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26539 From: ED Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Sanding down an acrylic tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26540 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: best way to move?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26541 From: Anndrea Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26542 From: Anndrea Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26543 From: Anndrea Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26544 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: best way to move?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26545 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Painted Tetras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26546 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26547 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Stones
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26548 From: ED Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Stones
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26549 From: ED Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Painted Tetras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26550 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: help with cory's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26551 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26552 From: ~:*''*:~ Dee~:*''*:~ Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: new and my intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26553 From: waves02 Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26554 From: Russ Foley Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: New Member and help needed already eh? Pregnant Guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26555 From: Gregg Bender Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Acrylic tank scratches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26556 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26557 From: ipartyforfun Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Questions about my pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26558 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Painted Tetras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26559 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26560 From: waves02 Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26561 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Stones
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26562 From: lauragalbraithrn@comcast.net Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: best way to move?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26563 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Painted Tetras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26564 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26565 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26566 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26567 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: New Member and help needed already eh? Pregnant Guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26568 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/14/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about my pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26569 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: New Member and help needed already eh? Pregnant Guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26570 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: best way to move?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26571 From: Bobby & Jennifer Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about my pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26572 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26573 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26574 From: Anndrea Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26575 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26576 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26577 From: waves02 Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26578 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about my pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26579 From: Russ Foley Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Russ and Sarah Welcome New Guppies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26580 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26581 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26582 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26583 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26584 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26585 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26586 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Russ and Sarah Welcome New Guppies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26587 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: help again..=(
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26588 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26589 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26590 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26591 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26592 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26593 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26594 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26595 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26596 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26597 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26598 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26599 From: Natural Aquarium Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26600 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26601 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26602 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26603 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26604 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26605 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26606 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26607 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re Brown slime
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26608 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26609 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26610 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26611 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26612 From: Angela Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26613 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26614 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26615 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26616 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26617 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26618 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26619 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26620 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies ava
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26621 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26622 From: Anndrea Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26623 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Glo fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26624 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26625 From: William J. Scott Date: 3/15/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26626 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26627 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26628 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26629 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26630 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26631 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26632 From: Cilene Magnine Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26633 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26634 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26635 From: Cilene Magnine Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26636 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26637 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Glo-fish babies and research
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26638 From: Cilene Magnine Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26639 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26640 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: ? about my reef tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26641 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26642 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26643 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26644 From: Jenn Date: 3/16/2008
Subject: Sea Horse picture
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26645 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: lost email : (
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26646 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: lost email : (
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26647 From: Russ Foley Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Guppie Lost Colour and Other Guppies have little dots on tail fins
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26648 From: hangsomeboy2002 Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Anyone in Melbourne know where they sell crayfish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26649 From: ED Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone in Melbourne know where they sell crayfish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26650 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone in Melbourne know where they sell crayfish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26651 From: Anndrea Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Brown on my fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26652 From: Melissa Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26653 From: ED Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: GMO's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26654 From: Eric Roberts Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Contradictory info. on "lucky bamboo" plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26655 From: Shelley Kate Coffman Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: fuzz on my driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26656 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: GMO's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26657 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: RE : [AquaticLife] Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies availab
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26658 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Need your thoughts.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26659 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26660 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: fuzz on my driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26661 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26662 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/17/2008
Subject: Thinking real hard about rehoming...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26663 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26664 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need your thoughts.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26665 From: ED Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26666 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Thinking real hard about rehoming...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26667 From: ED Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26668 From: ED Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26669 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26670 From: ED Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26671 From: ED Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26672 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: fuzz on my driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26673 From: whjordan83 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Electronic Monitors & Controllers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26674 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: fuzz on my driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26675 From: poul wehner Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: fuzzy driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26676 From: Shelley Kate Coffman Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: fuzzy driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26677 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26678 From: Chris Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Are test strips accurate ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26679 From: Chris Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Marbled Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26680 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26681 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Update on my platy.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26682 From: alan.blake21 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26683 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Are test strips accurate ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26684 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Are test strips accurate ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26685 From: renee31477 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: moss wall
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26686 From: Chris Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Are test strips accurate ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26687 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26688 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Are test strips accurate ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26689 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Re: Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26690 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/18/2008
Subject: Oscar with Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26691 From: starla Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: moss wall
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26692 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26693 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26694 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Trained Fish!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26695 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Zebrafish "Glo-Fish" breeding--babies available to SWAP
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26696 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Another Cool Video
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26697 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Platies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26698 From: Wendie Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Trained Fish!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26699 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Trained Fish!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26700 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Glo-fish update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26701 From: rglrtmmy Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: newbie that needs help...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26702 From: Chris Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26703 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26704 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: newbie that needs help...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26705 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26706 From: ED Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26707 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glo-fish update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26708 From: rglrtmmy@aol.com Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: newbie that needs help...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26709 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26710 From: Carmen H Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26711 From: Melissa Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26712 From: Shelley Kate Coffman Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Fuzz on driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26713 From: Poul Wehner Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Fuzz on driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26714 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar with Ich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26715 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26716 From: alan.blake21 Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: GloFish Discussion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26717 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26718 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26719 From: Anndrea Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Ok, I'm really confused now...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26720 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26721 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26722 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26723 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26724 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I'm really confused now...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26725 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26726 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Fuzz on driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26727 From: Marty Derenge Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26728 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: lighting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26729 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/19/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26730 From: ED Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26731 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Fuzz on driftwood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26732 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: How long should I keep platy seperated?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26733 From: renee31477 Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26734 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: How long should I keep platy seperated?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26735 From: Melissa Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26736 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: How long should I keep platy seperated?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26737 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26738 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26739 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26740 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: BioWheels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26741 From: Steve Biondi Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Advice,please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26742 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26743 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Glofish are have a copyright BEWARE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26744 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: BioWheels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26745 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Advice,please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26746 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26747 From: renee31477 Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26748 From: giuseppesalvato Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Dead Pristella with eggs.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26749 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Advice,please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26750 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Pristella with eggs.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26751 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Pristella with eggs.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26752 From: Wendie Date: 3/20/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26753 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26754 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Platy Varieties & Pics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26755 From: Wendie Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26756 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26757 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26758 From: Wendie Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: kuhli loaches in 10 gallon?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26759 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26760 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Need help for Lighting for Plants for those up for the challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26761 From: ED Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26762 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26763 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26764 From: giuseppesalvato Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Pristella with eggs.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26765 From: circus0s Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: algae problems
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26766 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: algae problems
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26767 From: circus0s Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: algae problems
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26768 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: algae problems
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26769 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26770 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Need help for Lighting for Plants for those up for the challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26771 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/21/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26772 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Need help for Lighting for Plants for those up for the challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26773 From: Pat Majeski Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Need help for Lighting for Plants for those up for the challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26774 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26775 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Need help for Lighting for Plants for those up for the ...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26776 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26777 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Pristella with eggs.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26778 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26779 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26780 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26781 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26782 From: Eric Roberts Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26783 From: Anndrea Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Tank mates.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26784 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mates.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26785 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/22/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mates.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26786 From: Anndrea Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mates.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26787 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Powerheads
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26788 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Powerheads
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26789 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26790 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Powerheads
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26791 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26792 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26793 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26794 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tank mates.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26795 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26796 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26797 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26798 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26799 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26800 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26801 From: „¤*?*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*?*¤„ Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26802 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26803 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26804 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26805 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26806 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26807 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26808 From: Margarita Shkurko Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: tiny white spot on tail
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26809 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: tiny white spot on tail
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26810 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26811 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26812 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/23/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26813 From: tori purfit Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26814 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26815 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26816 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26817 From: Kevin Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26818 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26819 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Duckweed Again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26820 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26821 From: amvass2002 Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Duckweed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26822 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26823 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26824 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26825 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26826 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26827 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26828 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26829 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26830 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26831 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26832 From: Rita Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: tiny white spot on tail
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26833 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: FW: TFSRI "Triple Crown" Annual Fish Auction, Sunday March 30th
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26834 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26835 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: Prepping Tank for Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26836 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/24/2008
Subject: Re: tiny white spot on tail
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26837 From: Kevin Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26838 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26839 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26840 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26841 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26842 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: think my male beta might be sick
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26843 From: Rita Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26844 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26845 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26846 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Auto Top Off Units
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26847 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Auto Top Off Units
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26848 From: ED Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Pics Wallpaper
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26849 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26850 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26851 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26852 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26853 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26854 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26855 From: Poul Wehner Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26856 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26857 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/25/2008
Subject: Re: Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26858 From: ED Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Pics Wallpaper
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26859 From: joe t Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26860 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26861 From: Debra Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26862 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26863 From: Carmen H Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26864 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26865 From: hendralim27 Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: ornamental freshwater shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26866 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26867 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26868 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26869 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra Whisper In-Tank Installation Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26870 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26871 From: Chris Corley Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26872 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: ornamental freshwater shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26873 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26874 From: Sam Palermo Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26875 From: Rich Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: DP in a 5 gallon; tankmates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26876 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26877 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Letters, deaths etc. Repair to Fake aquarium plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26878 From: ED Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: PICS
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26879 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26880 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26881 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: Old Hartz Heater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26882 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26883 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26884 From: Eric Roberts Date: 3/26/2008
Subject: Re: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26885 From: Carmen H Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26886 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta *update*
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26887 From: Amy Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26888 From: Amy Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta *update*
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26889 From: Amy Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: DP in a 5 gallon; tankmates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26890 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Questions about newly planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26891 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26892 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26893 From: William Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26894 From: Carmen H Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26895 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26896 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta *update*
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26897 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26898 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26899 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about newly planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26900 From: Jenn Date: 3/27/2008
Subject: Bamboo shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26901 From: Lisa Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: New member intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26902 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: New member intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26903 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26904 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: more bugs...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26905 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Betta *update*
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26906 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: bugs? ps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26907 From: „¤*″*¤„H3ATH3R„¤*″*¤„ Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Update on Platy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26908 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about newly planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26909 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26910 From: Carmen H Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26911 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26912 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Parasite??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26913 From: chrisc0313 Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26914 From: chrisc0313 Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: how do you post pictures on here?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26915 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26916 From: chrisc0313 Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Update on Platy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26917 From: Angela Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26918 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26919 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26920 From: Paula Brown Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Feeding Cory Cats
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26921 From: abarker3wvuedu Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bamboo shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26922 From: Debra Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding Cory Cats
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26923 From: Kate Conrow Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Bamboo shrimp
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26924 From: jenni Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Hi from newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26925 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium inhabitants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26926 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26927 From: Rich Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: DP in a 5 gallon; tankmates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26928 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding Cory Cats
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26929 From: Kim Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Need Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26930 From: Poul Wehner Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Need Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26931 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Need Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26932 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Need Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26933 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Need Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26934 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: more bugs...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26935 From: Steve Szabo Date: 3/28/2008
Subject: Re: Questions about newly planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26936 From: Lisa Lawless Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: New member intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26937 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hi from newbie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26938 From: reading1113 Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Hello everyone, I just joined today
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26939 From: Amy Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26940 From: Erik Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Just Joined, a Question About my Blood Parrot Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26941 From: Amy Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26942 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26943 From: Erik Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Just Joined, a Question About my Blood Parrot Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26944 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: Just Joined, a Question About my Blood Parrot Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26945 From: Amy Date: 3/29/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26946 From: Erik Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: Just Joined, a Question About my Blood Parrot Cichlid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26947 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Sorry for the overposts....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26948 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26949 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Youtube reef video of mine
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26950 From: Amy Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26951 From: Lisa Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Looking for Australian betta breeders
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26952 From: pkvzookeeper Date: 3/30/2008
Subject: Applying Background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26953 From: Melissa Walker Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26954 From: sheriartist57 Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Cyprichromis leptosoma
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26955 From: nice6669 Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: 125 bust
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26956 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: 125 bust
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26957 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: 125 bust
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26958 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Cyprichromis leptosoma
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26959 From: Donna Ransome Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Cyprichromis leptosoma
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26960 From: Amy Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26961 From: Frederic Ouellet Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Question - apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26962 From: Lisa Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Free bloodworms!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26963 From: Poul Wehner Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Applying Background
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26964 From: Carmen H Date: 3/31/2008
Subject: Re: Free bloodworms!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26965 From: Paula Brown Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Submersible Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26966 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Submersible Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26967 From: Blue fish Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26968 From: Zinfin Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26969 From: Melissa Walker Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26970 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26971 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26972 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26973 From: Lisa Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26974 From: mbajorek02 Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: New Member: Good sources of online info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26975 From: Marty Derenge Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: Cyprichromis leptosoma
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26976 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: New Member: Good sources of online info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26977 From: Amy Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26978 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/1/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26979 From: Melissa Walker Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: 72 Gallon Lionfish Tank Needs Another Fish For Character
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26980 From: rsteph49 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Taam Rio Nano Protein Skimmer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26981 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26982 From: rob_white18 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26983 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26984 From: Poul Wehner Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26985 From: tori purfit Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26986 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26987 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26988 From: rsteph49 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Problems with Nitrates and pH.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26989 From: Lisa Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26990 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Problems with Nitrates and pH.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26991 From: rsteph49 Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Problems with Nitrates and pH.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26992 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Seahorses
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26993 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/2/2008
Subject: Re: Problems with Nitrates and pH.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26994 From: Russ Foley Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Just curious how many people are on this group are in the uk
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26995 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Just curious how many people are on this group are in the uk
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26996 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26997 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Problems with Nitrates and pH.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26998 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 26999 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27000 From: joe t Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27001 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27002 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27003 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27004 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27005 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/3/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27006 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: WATCH OPRAH TODAY!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27007 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: WATCH OPRAH TODAY!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27008 From: Lisa Robinson Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: New to this and confused.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27009 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27010 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27011 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27012 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: New to this and confused.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27013 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts: is fungus contagious?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27014 From: jett07002 Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re; Cloudy Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27015 From: Chris Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Help! Insane heater!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27016 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Krill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27017 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Cloudy Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27018 From: animalnecklaces Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Aquatic animal necklaces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27019 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Insane heater!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27020 From: Melissa Walker Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: betta question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27021 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27022 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Cloudy Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27023 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Insane heater!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27024 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Cloud Eye on Angels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27025 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27026 From: Jerry Lynch Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: New member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27027 From: Rob White Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27028 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Heaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27029 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: New member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27030 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27031 From: bruce cohen Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27032 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/4/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27033 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27034 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: New Member: Good sources of online info
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27035 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27036 From: Jenn Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Blasted Phosphates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27037 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: betta question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27038 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Question on Tank Cloudiness
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27039 From: Carmen H Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27040 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: betta question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27041 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question on Tank Cloudiness
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27042 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27043 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27044 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27045 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira - was RE: [AquaticLife] New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27046 From: Judith Downing Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question on Tank Cloudiness
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27047 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: Blasted Phosphates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27048 From: starla sersland Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: cloudy water,
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27049 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: test kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27050 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Return to the Amazon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27051 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: test kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27052 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: test kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27053 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water,
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27054 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: test kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27055 From: Shelley Kate Coffman Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27056 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/5/2008
Subject: Re: New 50gal freshwater set up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27057 From: Lisa Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Help with identifying guppy colour strain
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27058 From: Lisa Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27059 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27060 From: Winbabyswife Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27061 From: bmp Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Dazed corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27062 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Dazed corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27063 From: shari rivenburg Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: novice question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27064 From: Andreas Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: novice question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27065 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Dazed corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27066 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: novice question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27067 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: novice question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27068 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: novice question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27069 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/6/2008
Subject: Re: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27070 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27071 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts fungus
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27072 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Cichlid convicts fungus
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27073 From: Lisa Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: New catfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27074 From: Kevin Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: has any ne had problems with splendid betta fix remedy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27075 From: bmp Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: Dazed corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27076 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/7/2008
Subject: Re: has any ne had problems with splendid betta fix remedy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27077 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27078 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27079 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: 4 angels in an approx 8 gal tank?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27080 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: 4 angels in an approx 8 gal tank?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27081 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: 4 angels in an approx 8 gal tank?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27082 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Filter Cleaning
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27083 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Cleaning
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27084 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Cleaning
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27085 From: Raven Mae Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27086 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: How to make make copies of drift wood?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27087 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: lost 8 fish during move........looking to restock
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27088 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Online vendor question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27089 From: Kristen Kinzer Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: lost 8 fish during move........looking to restock
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27090 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Larger South American Fish Needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27091 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Silly question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27092 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27093 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Blue yabbys/crayfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27094 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27095 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27096 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27097 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Silly question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27098 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Online vendor question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27099 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Larger South American Fish Needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27100 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Larger South American Fish Needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27101 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27102 From: Chad Plum Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: Larger South American Fish Needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27103 From: Chad Plum Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27104 From: Carmen H Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27105 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27106 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27107 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27108 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: lost 8 fish during move........looking to restock
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27109 From: Raven Mae Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27110 From: kd7poe Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Pending Message Delays
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27111 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: How to make make copies of drift wood?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27112 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27113 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27114 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27115 From: Lisa Date: 4/8/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27116 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27117 From: Melissa Walker Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Silly question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27118 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27119 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Silly question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27120 From: bmp Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27121 From: scrapbookjulia Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: German Blue Ram Eggs! Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27122 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: German Blue Ram Eggs! Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27123 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27124 From: Kate Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Fish identification/ Probable Nannostomus Beckfordi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27125 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27126 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27127 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27128 From: Lisa Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27129 From: Rob White Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: cloudy water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27130 From: Winbabyswife Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27131 From: Winbabyswife Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Isn't This A Fish Group Where You Can Get Help?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27132 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27133 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27134 From: Lisa Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Solving the catfish riddle
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27135 From: Lisa Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27136 From: Carmen H Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27137 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27138 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27139 From: Lisa Date: 4/9/2008
Subject: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27140 From: Lisa Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Bala sharks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27141 From: Lisa Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Waaaaaaay to high!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27142 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Bala sharks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27143 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Waaaaaaay to high!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27144 From: Lisa Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27145 From: Lisa Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Bala sharks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27146 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27147 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27148 From: Debra Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Solving the catfish riddle
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27149 From: hank voss Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27150 From: hank voss Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27151 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27152 From: jett07002 Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Isn't This A Fish Group Where You Can Get Help?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27153 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Stocking an 8 Gal tank. Was; Re: (unknown)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27154 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27155 From: hank voss Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27156 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27157 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27158 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: NEC Meeting WAWS: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 ye
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27159 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27160 From: pglloyd52 Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Use of a plenum in a marine tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27161 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Nannostomus BeckfordI/Nannostomus espei
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27162 From: Lisa Lawless Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Waaaaaaay to high!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27163 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/10/2008
Subject: Re: Waaaaaaay to high!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27164 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Assesment of a roughly 10 year old tank...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27165 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Isn't This A Fish Group Where You Can Get Help?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27166 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Finally found some guppies so I have a question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27167 From: jett07002 Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Isn't This A Fish Group Where You Can Get Help?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27168 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: FW: PVAS April Meeting - Monday, 14 April 2008
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27169 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/11/2008
Subject: Re: Isn't This A Fish Group Where You Can Get Help?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27170 From: Lisa Lawless Date: 4/12/2008
Subject: Re: Solving the catfish riddle
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27171 From: reading1113 Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27172 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27173 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27174 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Marimo Balls and Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27175 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: What exactly is in "algae meal"?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27176 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: Marimo Balls and Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27177 From: reading1113 Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27178 From: Dave Shives Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: In wall fish tank...was wondering uf anynone had luck with mirror fi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27179 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27180 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/13/2008
Subject: Re: In wall fish tank...was wondering uf anynone had luck with mirro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27181 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Marimo Balls and Algae Eaters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27182 From: reading1113 Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27183 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27184 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27185 From: Dave Shives Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: In wall fish tank...was wondering uf anynone had luck with mirror fi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27186 From: reading1113 Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: I am a newbie here, and have a beginner question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27187 From: deberhardt85 Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Tip For Making Your Aquarium Background Look GREAT
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27188 From: deberhardt85 Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Issue With Fluval Cannister Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27189 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/14/2008
Subject: Re: Issue With Fluval Cannister Filters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27191 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Magazine
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27192 From: babsdvs Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Move - new question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27193 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Has the fungus returned? it comes and goes (cichlid convict)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27194 From: bruce cohen Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Free 250 gallon tank - Campbell, California
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27195 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: clams
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27196 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Move - new question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27197 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Has the fungus returned? it comes and goes (cichlid convict)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27198 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: clams
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27199 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Has the fungus returned? it comes and goes (cichlid convict)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27200 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Move - new question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27201 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Free 250 gallon tank - Campbell, California
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27202 From: pete002314 Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: any old fish tanks in FIFE (i can pick up)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27203 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Free 250 gallon tank - Campbell, California
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27204 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/15/2008
Subject: Re: Magazine
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27205 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: clams
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27206 From: peter_s_halpern Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved fro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27207 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27208 From: Eric Roberts Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27209 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27210 From: iowakoi Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Spring is here at last
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27211 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish ...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27212 From: Russ Foley Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27213 From: peter_s_halpern Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27214 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27215 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27216 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27217 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27218 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: New Koi Pond - 750+ gallons, best equipment choices? Fish saved
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27219 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27220 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27221 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27222 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/16/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank - Kate Konrow
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27223 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27224 From: aquaticjoy@aol.com Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27225 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27226 From: judy_be Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: sand for corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27227 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: sand for corydoras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27228 From: rddelon73 Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Ick Issues
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27229 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Ick Issues
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27230 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27231 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank - Kate Konrow
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27232 From: shari rivenburg Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: test kit?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27233 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27234 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27235 From: milster_1999 Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: Free 250 gallon tank - Campbell, California
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27236 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: test kit?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27237 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27238 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/17/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27239 From: William J. Scott Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: Free 250 gallon tank - Campbell, California
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27240 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27241 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27242 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: Ick Issues
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27243 From: Melissa Walker Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: bettas new home
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27244 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27245 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27246 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: PhProblems New tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27247 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27248 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27249 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: Re: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27250 From: Melissa Date: 4/18/2008
Subject: BioCubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27251 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: vacation feeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27252 From: rob_white18 Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: FILTER
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27253 From: Noun Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27254 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: FILTER
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27255 From: shari rivenburg Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: moss? algae?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27256 From: Noun Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Calculating the size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27257 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: moss? algae?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27258 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: Calculating the size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27259 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: Calculating the size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27260 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27261 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/19/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27262 From: Noun Date: 4/20/2008
Subject: Re: Calculating the size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27263 From: lrglbrth Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: trouble with my black molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27264 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: trouble with my black molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27265 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27266 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27267 From: Noun Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27268 From: Carmen H Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27269 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27270 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27271 From: Gregg Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27272 From: dtrc rc Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27273 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27274 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27275 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27276 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27277 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27278 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27279 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27280 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27281 From: mathhaven Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27282 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27283 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27284 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27285 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Re: still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27286 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/21/2008
Subject: Tropical Fish Hobbyist Magazine - $1 Digital Subscription in honor o
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27287 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: [A quaticLife] still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27288 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: [A quaticLife] still having a snail problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27289 From: jett07002 Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27290 From: Paula Brown Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Foam?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27291 From: James Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: trouble with my black molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27292 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Foam?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27293 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27294 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27295 From: Chris McCarthy Date: 4/22/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27296 From: Rob White Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: FILTER
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27297 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27298 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27299 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27300 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27301 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Foam?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27302 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27303 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27304 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27305 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27306 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27307 From: Paula Brown Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27308 From: Eric Roberts Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27309 From: Paula Brown Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27310 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27311 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Java Fern
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27312 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Mold in aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27313 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27314 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27315 From: Noun Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Amazon Plant
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27316 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27317 From: Debra Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27318 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27319 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Hospital Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27320 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27321 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27322 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27323 From: Chris Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Brown algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27324 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27325 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Brown algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27326 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27327 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: "One & Only Nitrifying Bateria" (was: Tetra safestart to begin sales
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27328 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27329 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27330 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27331 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/23/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27332 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27333 From: Kate Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27334 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Brown algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27335 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27336 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27337 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27338 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27339 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27340 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Brown algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27341 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/24/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27342 From: endoaware_girl06 Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27343 From: H3ATH3R Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27344 From: Eric Roberts Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27345 From: hessam abdi Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27346 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27347 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27348 From: endoaware_girl06 Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27349 From: hessam abdi Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27350 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27351 From: shari rivenburg Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27352 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27353 From: Carmen H Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27354 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27355 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S. and where to find Bio-Spi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27356 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27357 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27358 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: setting up 10 gallon aquarium - have questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27359 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: Newt trouble
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27360 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27361 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/25/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27362 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27363 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27364 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27365 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27366 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27367 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27368 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27369 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27370 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27371 From: ssmlls Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Offer: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27372 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27373 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Offer: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27374 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27375 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27376 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27377 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27378 From: Eric Roberts Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27379 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27380 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27381 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27382 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27383 From: Heather Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Weight question for tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27384 From: Chris Corley Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27385 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel longevity etc..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27386 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Weight question for tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27387 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Wheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27388 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Weight question for tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27389 From: Carmen H Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27390 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27391 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27392 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27393 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27394 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27395 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27396 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27397 From: Carmen H Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27398 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27399 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27400 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27401 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27402 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27403 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27404 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27405 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27406 From: N Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27407 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27408 From: Noura Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27409 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27410 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27411 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27412 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27413 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27414 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27415 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27416 From: Bill Lane Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Suicidal Hatchets!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27417 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27418 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-Spira Strains
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27419 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27420 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27421 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27422 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27423 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27424 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27425 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27426 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Light in the Aquarium--an Article
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27427 From: harry perry Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Light in the Aquarium--an Article/Steve thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27428 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27429 From: N Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27430 From: N Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27431 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27432 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27433 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27434 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27435 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27436 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Turning the heat DOWN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27437 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27438 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27439 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27440 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Suicidal Hatchets!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27441 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27442 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27443 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Java Fern
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27444 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27445 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27446 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27447 From: N Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27448 From: N Taweel Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27449 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Ocean Geotronic Product found
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27450 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums! (was:Turning the heat DOWN)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27451 From: jviswakula Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Ornamental aquarium fish market information wanted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27452 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ocean Geotronic Product found
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27453 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27454 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ocean Geotronic Product found
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27455 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ornamental aquarium fish market information wanted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27456 From: robert_121965 Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: wanted: Freshwater fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27457 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: wanted: Freshwater fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27458 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27459 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27460 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27461 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27462 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27463 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27464 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27465 From: Rei - Raymond Tremor Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27466 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Recomendations for a large air pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27467 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 4/27/2008
Subject: Green faced mout hbrooding goruami???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27468 From: William J. Scott Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27469 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra safestart to begin sales in U.S.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27470 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: wanted: Freshwater fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27471 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Recomendations for a large air pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27473 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Removed Re: [AquaticLife] ###FRESH GIRLS MMS CLIPS###
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27475 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: What's good filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27476 From: hank voss Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27477 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27479 From: Carmen H Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Response from Seachem on Purigen question...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27480 From: Walden Nida Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27481 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Recomendations for a large air pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27482 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27483 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Response from Seachem on Purigen question...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27484 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27485 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27486 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27488 From: Sam Palermo Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27489 From: betti@optonline.net Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27490 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27491 From: betti@optonline.net Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27493 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Removed Re: [AquaticLife] ###FRESH GIRLS MMS CLIPS###
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27494 From: jason horyak Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: bad turtle probs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27495 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium/leaks/nitrates/venting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27496 From: Kate Conrow Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Paludarium/leaks/nitrates/venting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27497 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Removed Re: [AquaticLife] ###FRESH GIRLS MMS CLIPS###
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27498 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Removed Re: [AquaticLife] ###FRESH GIRLS MMS CLIPS###
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27499 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27500 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: friend gave me a turtle..please help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27501 From: grace42101 Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: epoxy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27502 From: harry perry Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: epoxy/Grace
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27503 From: bmp Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27504 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: epoxy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27505 From: Walden Nida Date: 4/28/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27506 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: epoxy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27507 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27508 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27509 From: jett07002 Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: epoxy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27510 From: Raven Mae Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27511 From: jett07002 Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27512 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27513 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27514 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27515 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27516 From: ED Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27517 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27518 From: Martin VanderWal Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27519 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27520 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27521 From: Paula Brown Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Online Troll?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27522 From: N Taweel Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27523 From: William J. Scott Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Online Troll?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27524 From: N Taweel Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Ice cubes for cooking aquariums!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27525 From: N Taweel Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27526 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27527 From: N Taweel Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27528 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27529 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27530 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27531 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27532 From: JFazio Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: rainbow fish hiding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27533 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: rainbow fish hiding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27534 From: JFazio Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: rainbow fish hiding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27535 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: rainbow fish hiding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27536 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: epoxy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27537 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27538 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: This has to be the height of stupidity and insensitivity! (OFF T
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27539 From: James Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27540 From: busymom_88 Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Goldfish question-disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27541 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27542 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27543 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question-disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27544 From: good2shoes95 Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: new meber
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27545 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question-disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27546 From: Steve Szabo Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27547 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27548 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27549 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: new meber
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27552 From: mathhaven Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27554 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 4/29/2008
Subject: Keep on topic, no more politics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27559 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27560 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27562 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27565 From: Dora Smith Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27566 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27567 From: busymom_88 Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question-disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27568 From: iowakoi Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: How many plants do I need in my pond?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27569 From: harry perry Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: stupidity and insensitivity! /Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27570 From: busymom_88 Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Goldfish disease continued
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27571 From: Donna Ransome Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27572 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish disease continued
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27573 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27575 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: My new tank chemistry
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27576 From: Springer,James C. Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: bad turtle probs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27577 From: aaron102272 Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Dead Ghost Shrimp turning Pink
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27578 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 4/30/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Ghost Shrimp turning Pink
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27579 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/1/2008
Subject: Question about cycling, bifluran and biowheel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27580 From: Larry Nave Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27581 From: hessam abdi Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27582 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27583 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/2/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27584 From: red_sasha_home Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27585 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27586 From: amb112 Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Hey there! Im a new member
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27587 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27588 From: dapi_editor Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: African Butterfly Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27589 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27590 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27591 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27592 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27593 From: Wendie Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27594 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27595 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish disease continued
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27596 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27597 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27598 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27599 From: harry perry Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails/Traci try this
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27600 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27601 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27602 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27603 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27604 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27605 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27606 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27607 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Re; Parasites
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27608 From: harry perry Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails/Snails can be your friends
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27609 From: Larry Nave Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27610 From: N Taweel Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ocean Geotronic Product found
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27611 From: Carmen H Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27612 From: N Taweel Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: New Gouramies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27613 From: N Taweel Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: Members in France: Test Kit Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27614 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27615 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: New Gouramies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27616 From: James (Jim) Darlack Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches, drunken snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27617 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches, drunken snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27618 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27619 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/3/2008
Subject: Re: loaches, drunken snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27620 From: N Taweel Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: New Gouramies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27621 From: N Taweel Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Filtration Challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27622 From: N Taweel Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: loaches, drunken snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27623 From: N Taweel Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27624 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: loaches, drunken snails?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27625 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27626 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Filtration Challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27627 From: Wendie Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27628 From: Larry Nave Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27629 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27630 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27631 From: harry perry Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/I agree with Steve
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27632 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Veggie Filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27633 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27634 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27635 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/I agree with Steve
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27636 From: Wendie Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27637 From: Richard Rattie Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: (no subject)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27638 From: Suzi Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27639 From: harry perry Date: 5/4/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/Hey Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27640 From: N Taweel Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Filtration Challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27641 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27642 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27643 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27644 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27645 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/I agree with Steve
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27646 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27647 From: bmp Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Moderators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27648 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27649 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27650 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27651 From: betti@optonline.net Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27652 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27653 From: Kevin E Boyle Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27654 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27655 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27656 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27657 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: loaches and snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27658 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Re: Moderators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27659 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/5/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27660 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Fancy Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27661 From: thtanoyinguy Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27662 From: ipartyforfun Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Question, problem with my pond.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27663 From: Lynn Francis Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27664 From: nice6669 Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: selver arowana baby
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27665 From: Debra Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27666 From: Carmen H Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27667 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27668 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27669 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: selver arowana baby
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27670 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: selver arowana baby
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27671 From: Lynn Francis Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27672 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fancy Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27673 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question, problem with my pond.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27674 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: Fancy Goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27675 From: mathhaven Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27676 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/6/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27677 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27678 From: N Taweel Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27679 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Need to know how to use antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27680 From: N Taweel Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Filtration Challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27682 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: on moringa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27683 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Need to know how to use antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27684 From: joe t Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27685 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Moving Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27686 From: rosette55@webtv.net Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27687 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: red ear slider tank mates?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27688 From: bmp Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Moderators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27689 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Kuhli Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27690 From: Chris Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27691 From: harry perry Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Moderators/To Beverly and all
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27692 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Moderators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27693 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27694 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27695 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Need to know how to use antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27696 From: Chris Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27697 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27698 From: James Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27699 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27700 From: Jerry Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Need to know how to use antibiotics
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27701 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27702 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Filtration Challenge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27703 From: James Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27704 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Moderators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27705 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27706 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27707 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27708 From: Chris Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27709 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27710 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27711 From: Blue fish Date: 5/7/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27712 From: Wendie Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27713 From: Russ Foley Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Unwell Molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27714 From: Gregg Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Moving Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27715 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27716 From: N Taweel Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: My tank photos posted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27717 From: N Taweel Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Hey there! Im a new member
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27718 From: tteitgen Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27719 From: staticdreamdesigns Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Newcomer..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27720 From: bmp Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: My tank photos posted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27721 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27722 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27723 From: mathhaven Date: 5/8/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27724 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: 29 Gallon Community Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27725 From: James Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27726 From: ED Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27727 From: Melissa Walker Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Bio Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27728 From: Steve Biondi Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27729 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27730 From: Richard Rattie Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27731 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27732 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27733 From: AquaticLife™ Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Bay Area Coral Farmers Market Third Annual Event
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27734 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: Bio Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27735 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27736 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27737 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27738 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27739 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27740 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27741 From: bmp Date: 5/9/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27742 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27743 From: Melissa Walker Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Bio Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27744 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27745 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27746 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27747 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27748 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Bio Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27749 From: Richard Rattie Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Fw: water garden update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27750 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fw: water garden update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27751 From: babsdvs Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Sea Shells
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27752 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27753 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Sea Shells
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27754 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27755 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Bio Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27756 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27757 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27758 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27759 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27760 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27761 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27762 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27763 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27764 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Fertilizing a Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27765 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27766 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/10/2008
Subject: Re: Fertilizing a Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27767 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27768 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27769 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27770 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27771 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Salt and Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27772 From: rick linboom Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27773 From: thee_raven2006 Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27774 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27775 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27776 From: Keri Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: All Natural Treatments
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27777 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27778 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Fertilizing a Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27779 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27780 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27781 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27782 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27783 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27784 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27785 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27786 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27787 From: bmp Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27788 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27789 From: Farscape Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: All natural fish treatments?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27790 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27791 From: tishys_fishys Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27792 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Salt and Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27793 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27794 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27795 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27796 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27797 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27798 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27799 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27800 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27801 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27802 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27803 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27804 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27805 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/11/2008
Subject: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27806 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27807 From: ED Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27808 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27809 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27810 From: deborahgd14 Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27811 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27812 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Tetra's Monthly Aquarium Maintenance advice???
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27813 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27814 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27815 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Iodine and shrimp?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27816 From: Rob and Amy Zerkle Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Salamanders , newts , clawed frogs and water dogs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27817 From: bmp Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish--Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27818 From: bmp Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27819 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/12/2008
Subject: Re: mollies (now butterflies)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27820 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27821 From: Paula Brown Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Cory Cats
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27822 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27823 From: rosette55@webtv.net Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27824 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish--Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27825 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27826 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/13/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27827 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Cory Cats
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27828 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27829 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Local NJ fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27830 From: bmp Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish--Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27831 From: Jim Russell Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: New Member Into & Request for Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27832 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Into & Request for Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27833 From: Eric Roberts Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27834 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/14/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Into & Request for Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27835 From: starla Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27836 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: help - sick elephant nose
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27837 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Elephant nose follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27838 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: HOB Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27839 From: Carmen H Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Elephant nose follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27840 From: Andreas Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: help - sick elephant nose
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27841 From: Jim Russell Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Into & Request for Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27843 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: help - sick elephant nose
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27844 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Elephant nose follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27845 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: Elephant nose follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27846 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/15/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Into & Request for Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27847 From: Keri Kimball Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27848 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27849 From: Gregg Bender Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27850 From: Keri Kimball Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27851 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27852 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27853 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27854 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27855 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27856 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/16/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27857 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27858 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27859 From: shari rivenburg Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27860 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27861 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27862 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27863 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27864 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27865 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27866 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27867 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27868 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27869 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27870 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27871 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27872 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27873 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27874 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27875 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/17/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27876 From: Rob DeSanno Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27877 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27878 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27879 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27880 From: sullllly Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27881 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27882 From: waves02 Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27883 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27884 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27885 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: tank cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27886 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27887 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27888 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27889 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27890 From: mathhaven Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27891 From: N Taweel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27892 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27893 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27894 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27895 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27896 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27897 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27898 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27899 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27900 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27901 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27902 From: Debra Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27903 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27904 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27905 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27906 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27907 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27908 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27909 From: N Taweel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27910 From: N Taweel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27911 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27912 From: N Taweel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27913 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27914 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27915 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27916 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27917 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27918 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27919 From: pedunson Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: new to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27920 From: sullllly Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27921 From: jviswakula Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Fish photos wanted
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27922 From: sullllly Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27923 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27924 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27925 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27926 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27927 From: harry perry Date: 5/18/2008
Subject: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27928 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27929 From: harry perry Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!/Lenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27930 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27931 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27932 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27933 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Maintenance, was: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27934 From: ED Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Question about a Black Ghost and Clown Knife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27935 From: Melissa Walker Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Maintenance, was: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27936 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27937 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27938 From: waves02 Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27939 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27940 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27941 From: harry perry Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!/Lana
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27942 From: Melissa Walker Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27943 From: N Taweel Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: My Angel is ill
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27944 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Maintenance, was: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27945 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/19/2008
Subject: Re: An entire day and 69 posts on well water, good grief!!!!!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27946 From: N Taweel Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Maintenance, was: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27947 From: N Taweel Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: new to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27948 From: pedunson Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: new to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27949 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: Betta Maintenance, was: Well Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27950 From: N Taweel Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy breeding (was: New to the Group)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27951 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: new to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27952 From: Daniel Mundy Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: How long to establish a new filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27953 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: How long to establish a new filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27954 From: babsdvs Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27955 From: oceanmagic Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: flowerhorns
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27956 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: flowerhorns
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27957 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27958 From: sullllly Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: How long to establish a new filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27959 From: stevesza Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: OT: Mail Problems at Yahoo!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27960 From: Corey S. Flynn Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: New to the group. New Pond w/ gold fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27961 From: pedunson Date: 5/20/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy breeding (was: New to the Group)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27962 From: N Taweel Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27963 From: oceanmagic Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: flowerhorns
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27964 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: How long to establish a new filter?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27965 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27966 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group. New Pond w/ gold fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27967 From: willyspu Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group. New Pond w/ gold fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27968 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27969 From: Carmen H Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27970 From: N Taweel Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27971 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27972 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group. New Pond w/ gold fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27973 From: pedunson Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27974 From: pedunson Date: 5/21/2008
Subject: Re: swordtails and molly's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27975 From: N Taweel Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27976 From: Lynn Francis Date: 5/22/2008
Subject: Reuseable Filter Ecllipse filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27977 From: ED Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: WoooooHooooooo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27978 From: ED Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Guppies and Brackish water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27979 From: harry perry Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: WoooooHooooooo/Ed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27980 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Guppies and Brackish water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27981 From: pedunson Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Re: Guppies and Brackish water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27982 From: talkaboutphotography Date: 5/23/2008
Subject: Action and Adventure Photography Tips
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27983 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: OT: Flying Fish Record
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27984 From: sullllly Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: quiet the air line on a noisy power head and some other mods.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27985 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: Re: quiet the air line on a noisy power head and some other mods.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27986 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 5/24/2008
Subject: Re: OT: Flying Fish Record
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27987 From: shari rivenburg Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: lighting to PCW/vacuum my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27988 From: Monis Albukhari Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27989 From: sullllly Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: lighting to PCW/vacuum my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27990 From: sullllly Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27991 From: Farscape Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27992 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: lighting to PCW/vacuum my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27993 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27994 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: lighting to PCW/vacuum my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27995 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: lighting to PCW/vacuum my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27996 From: Anndrea Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: new to the group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27997 From: Anndrea Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Ok, I have a new fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27998 From: sullllly Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Removing carbon from Penguin filter cartridge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 27999 From: sullllly Date: 5/25/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I have a new fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28000 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I have a new fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28001 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28002 From: jamesewerjr Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: i just got tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28003 From: harry perry Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: i just got tank/James
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28004 From: sullllly Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: i just got tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28005 From: frankhall70 Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28006 From: Jim Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28007 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28008 From: frank hall Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28009 From: frankhall70 Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28010 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28011 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28012 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28013 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28014 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28015 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28016 From: citra.cool2 Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: The Good Food for PANGASIUS
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28017 From: sullllly Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: tropical fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28018 From: sullllly Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28019 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/26/2008
Subject: Re: The Good Food for PANGASIUS
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28023 From: James Ewer Jr Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28024 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28025 From: susieharden Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28026 From: vivian bradish Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Pregnant Platy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28027 From: Kate Conrow Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28028 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28029 From: vivian bradish Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28030 From: Dave Roberts Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28031 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: White poop - Was - thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28032 From: sullllly Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28033 From: sullllly Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: My two 55gal tanks on youtube.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28034 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: My two 55gal tanks on youtube.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28035 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28036 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: My two 55gal tanks on youtube.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28037 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: angel fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28038 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28039 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28040 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: White poop - Was - thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28041 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: angel fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28042 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28043 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/27/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28044 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28045 From: Jim Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28046 From: pedunson Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Pregnant Platy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28047 From: Donna Ransome Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to site and fish keeping
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28048 From: frankhall70 Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28049 From: hamrad45 Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28050 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28051 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28052 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28053 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28054 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28055 From: frank hall Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28056 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28057 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: White poop - Was - thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28059 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28060 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28061 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28062 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28063 From: sullllly Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28064 From: Kevin Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28065 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28066 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/28/2008
Subject: Re: a lid or not a lid that is the question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28067 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28068 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: angel fish...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28069 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28070 From: N Taweel Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28071 From: Kevin Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28072 From: Kevin Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28073 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28074 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: White poop
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28075 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: White poop
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28076 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/29/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28077 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28078 From: evilkoala50 Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Aggressive Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28079 From: Rob DeSanno Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28080 From: Cheryl Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: my clownfish's companion anemone
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28081 From: Cheryl Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28082 From: Cheryl Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28083 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Aggressive Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28084 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 5/30/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28085 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Aggressive Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28086 From: pedunson Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28087 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Aggressive Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28088 From: N Taweel Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28089 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28090 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28091 From: N Taweel Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28092 From: hank voss Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28093 From: jamesewerjr Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28094 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy behaving strange
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28095 From: evilkoala50 Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Update on Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28096 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28097 From: Dora Smith Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28098 From: James Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Aggressive Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28099 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28100 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Update on Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28101 From: Steve Szabo Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28102 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Update on Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28103 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28104 From: Kevin Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28105 From: Kevin Date: 5/31/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28106 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28107 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28108 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28109 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28110 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28111 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28112 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28113 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28114 From: Kevin Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28115 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28116 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28117 From: N Taweel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28118 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28119 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28120 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28121 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28122 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28123 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28124 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28125 From: N Taweel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28126 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28127 From: Steve Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28128 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28129 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28130 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28131 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28132 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph - answered my question!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28133 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28134 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28135 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28136 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph - answered my question!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28137 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28138 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28139 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Changing Ph - answered my question!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28140 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/1/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28141 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Nitrate Level
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28142 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28143 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28144 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28145 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28146 From: Kate Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28147 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28148 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28149 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28150 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28151 From: N Taweel Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28152 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28153 From: Carmen H Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28154 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28155 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28156 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/2/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28157 From: N Taweel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28158 From: N Taweel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28159 From: Blue fish Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28160 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28161 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28162 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28163 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28164 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28165 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28166 From: ED Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28167 From: Erik Hammarstrom Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Starting new aquarium - Question on filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28168 From: ED Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28169 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Starting new aquarium - Question on filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28170 From: N Taweel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28171 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28172 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Mold/Melafix
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28173 From: N Taweel Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28174 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Starting new aquarium - Question on filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28175 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28176 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/3/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28177 From: N Taweel Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28178 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28179 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28180 From: N Taweel Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter-Breeding gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28181 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter-Breeding gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28182 From: N Taweel Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: My tank's updates- (Was: Breeding Gourami)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28183 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28184 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: My tank's updates- (Was: Breeding Gourami)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28185 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: HELP NEEDED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28186 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/4/2008
Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28187 From: sibey_kiasu Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28188 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Moving update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28189 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Nano Cubes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28190 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28191 From: mandacaplan Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Removing dea koi eggs from a pond
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28192 From: N Taweel Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28193 From: deborahgd14 Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP NEEDED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28194 From: deborahgd14 Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28195 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28196 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28197 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Which tetras to get?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28198 From: caroline Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28199 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28200 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28201 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28202 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28203 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28204 From: Carmen H Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28205 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28206 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28207 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28208 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28209 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/5/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28210 From: N Taweel Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28211 From: N Taweel Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28212 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28213 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28214 From: greyhabit Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28215 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28216 From: N Taweel Date: 6/6/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28217 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28218 From: greyhabit Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28219 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28220 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28221 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28222 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28223 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Intro
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28224 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28225 From: Paula Brown Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Salt Needed?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28226 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Salt Needed?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28227 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28228 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Replacing internal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28229 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28230 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28231 From: greyhabit Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: New Member Intro & Biorb Stocking Density
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28232 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28233 From: Jim Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28234 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28235 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28236 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28237 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28238 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Water Well Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28239 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28240 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Spare Aquarium Use
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28241 From: babsdvs Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28242 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28243 From: myronbarefoot Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: books
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28244 From: N Taweel Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Dwarf Gourami wounded
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28245 From: Sam Palermo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28246 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28247 From: deborahgd14 Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28248 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28249 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28250 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28251 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28252 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Topic of much discussion and argument. Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28253 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28254 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Topic of much discussion and argument. Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Sa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28255 From: harry perry Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: Re: Topic of much discussion and argument. Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Sa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28257 From: jackcollora Date: 6/8/2008
Subject: nano cube stocking/ questions bout salt water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28258 From: shari rivenburg Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28259 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28260 From: olesonjo Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: PWC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28261 From: Jim Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28262 From: Robb Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28263 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28264 From: Eric Roberts Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Spare Aquarium Use
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28265 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28266 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28267 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Saot and tetras
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28268 From: Robb Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28269 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28270 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: PWC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28271 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28272 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28273 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28274 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Topic of much discussion and argument. Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28275 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28276 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Topic of much discussion and argument. Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Sa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28277 From: Robb Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28278 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/9/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28279 From: Robb Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28280 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28281 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28282 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28283 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: books
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28284 From: Robb Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28285 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28286 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28287 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28288 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on pumps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28289 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28290 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/10/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28291 From: RannieSue Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28292 From: James (Jim) Darlack Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Advice on large quiet air pump and chrome screw in valves
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28293 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on large quiet air pump and chrome screw in valves
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28294 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Salt
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28295 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on large quiet air pump and chrome screw in valves
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28296 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/11/2008
Subject: Re: Advice on large quiet air pump and chrome screw in valves
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28297 From: jett07002 Date: 6/12/2008
Subject: Re: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28298 From: haplo77777 Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Advice welcome on planter/pond please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28299 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Advice welcome on planter/pond please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28300 From: Paula Brown Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Female Betta's - Pushing My Luck?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28301 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Female Betta's - Pushing My Luck?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28302 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28303 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/13/2008
Subject: Re: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28304 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Advice welcome on planter/pond please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28305 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Female Betta's - Pushing My Luck?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28306 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28307 From: SaraRamirezRocks@aol.com Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Re: Bookshelf Aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28308 From: Paula Brown Date: 6/14/2008
Subject: Female Betta's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28309 From: Robb Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28310 From: James (Jim) Darlack Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28311 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28312 From: Robb Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28313 From: Robb Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28314 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28315 From: Roos Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28316 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28317 From: caroline Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: bio rolling filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28318 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: bio rolling filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28320 From: Robb Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28321 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28322 From: L. Gove Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28323 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28324 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/15/2008
Subject: Java Moss Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Good terrain for an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28325 From: babsdvs Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Oh, holy molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28326 From: Robert Mazur Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Question about moving
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28327 From: Duriel Krugaire Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Indianapolis, IN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28328 From: jackcollora Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: red sea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28329 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: red sea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28330 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Oh, holy molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28331 From: quamichan2001 Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Indianapolis, IN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28332 From: L. Gove Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28333 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28334 From: Pam Andress Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Indianapolis, IN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28335 From: L. Gove Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28336 From: cinadmil Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28337 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28338 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about moving
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28339 From: L. Gove Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28340 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28341 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28342 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/16/2008
Subject: Re: Question about moving
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28343 From: L. Gove Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here.. another myspace pg
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28344 From: L. Gove Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28345 From: Steve Biondi Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28346 From: Mike Downey Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28347 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/17/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28348 From: lbon3002 Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28349 From: Russ Foley Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/Hey Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28350 From: aec crawford Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28351 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: Messages Delay- Off topic/Hey Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28352 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28353 From: Sam Palermo Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28354 From: aec crawford Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: hi new here
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28355 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28356 From: L. Gove Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28357 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28358 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/18/2008
Subject: Re: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28359 From: N Taweel Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Foam & Sponge
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28360 From: caroline Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28361 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28362 From: N Taweel Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: An article about PWC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28363 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: An article about PWC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28364 From: Blue fish Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28365 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28366 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/19/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28367 From: mandacaplan Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Help..koi keep dying
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28368 From: Rddelon73 Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Indianapolis, IN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28369 From: judy_be Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28370 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Help..koi keep dying
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28371 From: Sam Palermo Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Help..koi keep dying
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28372 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: Help..koi keep dying
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28373 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/20/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28374 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Water Testing Article
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28375 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28376 From: maj7787 Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28377 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28378 From: Zinfin Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth/snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28379 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28380 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28381 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28382 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28383 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28384 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28385 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28386 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Oh, holy molly
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28387 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth/snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28388 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28389 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28390 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28391 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28392 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28393 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28394 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28395 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28396 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28397 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28398 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28399 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28400 From: Sohil Garg Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Determining the Sex of Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28401 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28402 From: Sohil Garg Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Determining the Sex of Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28403 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28404 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28405 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28406 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28407 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28408 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28409 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28410 From: joe t Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: trout
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28411 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/21/2008
Subject: Re: Determining the Sex of Mollies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28412 From: Vitae Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: STUCK Guppy gonopodium?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28413 From: erikaandnewton Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: new here, looking for water sprite -Ceratopteris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28414 From: caroline Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28415 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: new here, looking for water sprite -Ceratopteris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28416 From: bushman_50 Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: New to the group ( *Crayfish*?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28417 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: cheese cloth
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28418 From: Sam Palermo Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group ( *Crayfish*?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28419 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28420 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28421 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: What happens if you use Kent marine pro-clear in a fresh water aquar
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28422 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28423 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: STUCK Guppy gonopodium?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28424 From: harry perry Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28425 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28426 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28427 From: maj7787 Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28428 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/22/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28429 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28430 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28431 From: erikaandnewton Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: new here, looking for water sprite -Ceratopteris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28432 From: Mark Hough Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28433 From: Mark Hough Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: STUCK Guppy gonopodium?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28434 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28435 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cat Fur in Aquarium Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28436 From: Paula Brown Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Filter Intake Qusetion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28437 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: What happens if you use Kent marine pro-clear in a fresh water a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28438 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Qusetion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28439 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Re: What happens if you use Kent marine pro-clear in a fresh water a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28440 From: maj7787 Date: 6/23/2008
Subject: Feeding time
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28441 From: Al Ponce Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Corydoras Hadrosus Breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28442 From: Mark Hough Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding time
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28443 From: Mark Hough Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: What happens if you use Kent marine pro-clear in a fresh water a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28444 From: JFazio Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: cloudy eye
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28445 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Corydoras Hadrosus Breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28446 From: thee_raven2006 Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding time
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28447 From: Kate Conrow Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Corydoras Hadrosus Breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28448 From: Paula Brown Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: AHA - The Duckweed Light Came On!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28449 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: AHA - The Duckweed Light Came On!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28450 From: maj7787 Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding time
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28451 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28452 From: maj7787 Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Fish lice
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28453 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/24/2008
Subject: Re: AHA - The Duckweed Light Came On!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28454 From: Mark Hough Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28455 From: Duriel Krugaire Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Fish Tanks Still available in Indy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28456 From: Veronica Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fish Tanks Still available in Indy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28457 From: erikaandnewton Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: AHA - The Duckweed Light Came On!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28458 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fish Tanks Still available in Indy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28459 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Feeding time
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28460 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fish Tanks Still available in Indy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28461 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/25/2008
Subject: Re: bio filter/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28462 From: Robert Mazur Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28463 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28464 From: Black Revenge Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Help Me...!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28465 From: Sohil Garg Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help Me...!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28466 From: Melissa Walker Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help Me...!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28467 From: Sohil Garg Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: aerators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28468 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: aerators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28469 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28470 From: harry perry Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: pH change /Greg
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28471 From: harry perry Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28472 From: Sohil Garg Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: aerators
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28473 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28474 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28475 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 6/26/2008
Subject: Tetrapond filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28476 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28477 From: L. Gove Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Lenny.. question about betta's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28478 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28479 From: Robert Mazur Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Lenny.. question about betta's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28480 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: pH change units and ridiculous pH ranges?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28481 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28482 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/27/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28483 From: Donna Ransome Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28484 From: N Taweel Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28485 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28486 From: N Taweel Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28487 From: N Taweel Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28488 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28489 From: foxey987m35 Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: nitrate in a reef tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28490 From: Gregg Bender Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: pH range update
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28491 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28492 From: Dora Smith Date: 6/28/2008
Subject: One of my danios is missing the silver part of its eye
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28493 From: L. Gove Date: 6/29/2008
Subject: Re: Lenny.. question about betta's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28494 From: N Taweel Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining-UPDATE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28495 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Molly spining-UPDATE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28496 From: Steve Biondi Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Bags for Purigen media
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28497 From: Jenn Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28498 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28499 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Hydrogen Peroxide
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28500 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Bags for Purigen media
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28501 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28502 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28503 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28504 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28505 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28506 From: Sam Palermo Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28507 From: Steve Szabo Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28508 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28509 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28510 From: Robert Mazur Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28511 From: L. Gove Date: 6/30/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28512 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28513 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28514 From: webbcooly Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: does anyone know about freshwater pufferfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28515 From: Mike Downey Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: does anyone know about freshwater pufferfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28516 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28517 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28518 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/1/2008
Subject: Re: Photo tips wanted...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28519 From: schroedel2003 Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: dumb xinia question....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28520 From: AquaticLife™ Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Fish ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28521 From: Snert Date: 7/2/2008
Subject: Re: Fish ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28522 From: jamesewerjr Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: my red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28523 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: my red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28524 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: White Vinegar
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28525 From: Kristen Kinzer Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: my red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28526 From: jamesewerjr Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: my red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28527 From: jamesewerjr Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Re: my red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28528 From: Blue fish Date: 7/3/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28529 From: Richard Rattie Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: watering trough for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28530 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28531 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28532 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28533 From: Karen Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: non profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28534 From: L. Gove Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Re: non profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28535 From: corpobtn Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: Eels from Philippines
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28536 From: Richard Rattie Date: 7/4/2008
Subject: bio filter redux
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28537 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28538 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28539 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28540 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28541 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28542 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: non profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28543 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/5/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28544 From: Jack Collora Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: no profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28545 From: pacenme Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Temporary housing??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28546 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Temporary housing??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28547 From: Paula Brown Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28548 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28549 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28550 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28551 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28552 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28553 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28554 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28555 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28556 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28557 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28558 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28559 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28560 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28561 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28562 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28563 From: Robert 1 Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28564 From: kitty.cozy Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: cycling tank one fish not eating
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28565 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28566 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28567 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: cycling tank one fish not eating
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28568 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28569 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28570 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28571 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28572 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: cycling tank one fish not eating
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28573 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28574 From: pam andress Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28575 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28576 From: kitty.cozy Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: cycling tank one fish not eating
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28577 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: cycling tank one fish not eating
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28578 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28579 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28580 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28581 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28582 From: William J. Scott Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Plant Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28583 From: L. Gove Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28584 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28585 From: hamrad45 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Ph changed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28586 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ph changed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28587 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Ph changed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28588 From: L. Gove Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28589 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28590 From: Jenn Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: New babies!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28591 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28592 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: HELP! cycle an aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28593 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28594 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28595 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28596 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: New babies!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28597 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: Another question.. Center Braces
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28598 From: pam andress Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: auctions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28599 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/7/2008
Subject: Re: pH change
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28600 From: david hall Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: poorly chiclid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28601 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: poorly chiclid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28602 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: New babies!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28603 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Any members in Charlotte, NC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28604 From: david hall Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: Re: poorly chiclid
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28605 From: Jasmine Date: 7/8/2008
Subject: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28606 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28607 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28608 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/9/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28609 From: Jasmine Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28610 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28611 From: Jasmine Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28612 From: Sohil Garg Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Goldfish Help
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28613 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28614 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Vacuums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28615 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28616 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: PH Variation in tank (tropical)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28617 From: Jenn Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: Re: New babies!!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28618 From: Jenn Date: 7/10/2008
Subject: More and more babies...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28619 From: Cheryl Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: ADVICE BADLY NEEDED!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28620 From: Cheryl Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: anemones
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28621 From: Mike Downey Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Check the feeder tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28622 From: Ashley Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28623 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28624 From: User & Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28625 From: Ashley Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28626 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: WAS: RE: [AquaticLife] What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures incl
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28627 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included) NOW:Update on
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28628 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/11/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included) NOW:Update on
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28629 From: L. Gove Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28630 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: house water, aquariums and a hatchery in Area 51
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28631 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28632 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Fry divider for tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28633 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: house water, aquariums and a hatchery in Area 51
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28634 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28635 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fry divider for tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28636 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fry divider for tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28637 From: Mike Downey Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: What kind of fish is this?!?!? (Pictures included)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28638 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28639 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28640 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28641 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28642 From: Heather Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Plant question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28643 From: Heather Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fry divider for tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28644 From: Mike Downey Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Chinese Algae Eater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28645 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Can painting bother the fish ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28646 From: Jenn Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Check the feeder tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28647 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Fry divider for tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28648 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Plant question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28649 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: Can painting bother the fish ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28650 From: Jasmine Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Your not ignored - i'm just sick and not on the computer at present
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28651 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: house water, aquariums and a hatchery in Area 51
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28652 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/12/2008
Subject: Re: house water, aquariums and a hatchery in Area 51
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28653 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Manage et trois en angel?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28654 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Plant question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28655 From: N Taweel Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28656 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Something *ate* my filter media?!?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28657 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28658 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28659 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28660 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28661 From: pam andress Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28662 From: N Taweel Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28663 From: N Taweel Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28664 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28665 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28666 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28667 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/13/2008
Subject: new used 2227 Help!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28668 From: N Taweel Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Breaking Down the Tank-Need Advise
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28669 From: rul_s008 Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: OPEN WATER FISHERIES SPECIES
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28670 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: What kind of plant is this?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28672 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28673 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28674 From: N Taweel Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28675 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28676 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28677 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28678 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28679 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28680 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28681 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....*correcting error*
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28682 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28683 From: Mike Downey Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28684 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28685 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: One more Danio Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28686 From: Jenn Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Mystery cichlid babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28687 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/14/2008
Subject: Re: Someone who knows about danios....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28688 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: One more Danio Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28689 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: How do you tell a male danio from a female danio?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28690 From: N Taweel Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Good News??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28691 From: N Taweel Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28692 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: Mystery cichlid babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28693 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/15/2008
Subject: Re: Good News??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28694 From: maj7787 Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28695 From: maj7787 Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: under gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28696 From: maj7787 Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28697 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28698 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: under gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28699 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28700 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28701 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: under gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28702 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28703 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28704 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28705 From: Lynn Francis Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28706 From: jett07002 Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28707 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28708 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/17/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28709 From: maj7787 Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: under gravel filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28710 From: SheikhRizwan Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28711 From: SheikhRizwan Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28712 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28713 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28714 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28715 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28716 From: hank voss Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28717 From: Debra Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: breeding
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28718 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28719 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/18/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28720 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28721 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28722 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28723 From: giuseppesalvato Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28724 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: SELAS Meeting Announcement (SouthEast Louisiana Aquarium Society)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28725 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28726 From: Cheryl Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: How do I care for this seahorse?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28727 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28728 From: chuinsiew Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Live OR Frozen Artemia for Coral
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28729 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28730 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28731 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28732 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Eheim 2227 and PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28733 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28734 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28735 From: Sam Palermo Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28736 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28737 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/19/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28738 From: Lynn Francis Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: smelly water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28739 From: myronbarefoot Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: eheim 2217
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28740 From: Sam Palermo Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: eheim 2217
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28741 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: eheim 2217
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28742 From: jett07002 Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28743 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28744 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28745 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Why is my tetra swimming funny?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28746 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28747 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: eheim 2217
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28748 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28749 From: Sam Palermo Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28750 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/20/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28751 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28752 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28753 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28754 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28755 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28756 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: eheim 2217
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28757 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Impeller maybe wearing out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28758 From: jett07002 Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28759 From: hank voss Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Why is my tetra swimming funny?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28760 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Guppy tragedy...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28761 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Why is my tetra swimming funny?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28762 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28763 From: RannieSue Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Bio-orb aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28764 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28765 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-orb aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28766 From: sharden47@aol.com Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-orb aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28767 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28768 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28769 From: jackcollora Date: 7/21/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28770 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28771 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28772 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28773 From: sOhAm Mukherjee Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28774 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28775 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28776 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28777 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/22/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28778 From: Karen Briand Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: non profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28779 From: Karen Briand Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: no profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28780 From: Karen Briand Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: non profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28781 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28782 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28783 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28784 From: jamesewerjr Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: My red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28785 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28786 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: My red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28787 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28788 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28789 From: sevenspringss Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish? OFF TOPIC
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28790 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28791 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28792 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28793 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28794 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin power
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28795 From: Robb Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Thank you and more advice needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28796 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28797 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28798 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28799 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28800 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28801 From: risika23 Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: New Member
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28802 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/23/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28803 From: andrea Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: My red devil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28804 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28805 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28806 From: Kate Conrow Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28807 From: Matthew O' Farrell Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28808 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: New Member
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28809 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Thank you and more advice needed
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28810 From: Sam Palermo Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28811 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28812 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28813 From: Eric Roberts Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28814 From: Eric Roberts Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28815 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28816 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Use your head! <] How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marinel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28817 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Looking for 20 gallon aquarium in Austin
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28818 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: Local Austin fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28819 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28820 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28821 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Penguin 170 photos on website
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28822 From: Jerry Lynch Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28823 From: Jerry Lynch Date: 7/24/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Penguin p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28824 From: babsdvs Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28825 From: junglejingles Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28826 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: no profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28827 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: no profit group looking for volunteers.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28828 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: To Loach or not to Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28829 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Bio-orb aquariums
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28830 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I care for this seahorse?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28831 From: Maria Jung Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28832 From: Eric Roberts Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28833 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28834 From: Kelley Lee Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28835 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28836 From: Jerry Lynch Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish? I made an error in a previous post
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28837 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28838 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: How do I clean or change the impeller on a Marineland/ Peng...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28839 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish? I made an error in a previous post
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28840 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28841 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28842 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28843 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head! <] How do I clean or change the impeller on a Mar
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28844 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head! <] How do I clean or change the impeller on ...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28845 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28846 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/25/2008
Subject: Re: What are these wild fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28847 From: vivian bradish Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: How long before the babies grow
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28848 From: pam andress Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: How long before the babies grow
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28849 From: Kelley Lee Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Re: Use your head!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28850 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Moving Right Along
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28851 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/26/2008
Subject: Platy question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28852 From: babsdvs Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: New impeller
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28853 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: New impeller
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28854 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Re: about those impeller instructions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28855 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those impell
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28856 From: Kristin Date: 7/27/2008
Subject: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28857 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: about those impeller instructions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28858 From: joe t Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28859 From: Kristin Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28860 From: Kelley Lee Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Moving right along. :0)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28861 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/28/2008
Subject: Re: about those impeller instructions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28862 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: about those impeller instructions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28863 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28864 From: N Taweel Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Antibiotic Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28865 From: Dora Smith Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28866 From: Matthew O' Farrell Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28867 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28868 From: jett07002 Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28869 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28870 From: thee_raven2006 Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Puffer Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28871 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Being difficult, biting the helping hands. Was about those im
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28872 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Puffer Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28873 From: Debra Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Puffer Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28874 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28875 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28876 From: Kristin Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28877 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/29/2008
Subject: Salt in FW Aquaria
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28878 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie- sorry if this posts weird!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28879 From: Donna Ransome Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Salt in FW Aquaria
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28880 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Salt in FW Aquaria
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28881 From: pam andress Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Salt in FW Aquaria
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28882 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Salt in FW Aquaria
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28883 From: N Taweel Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Antibiotic Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28884 From: jacob avera Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Hi guys-Saw the posts, glad I only get one a day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28885 From: thee_raven2006 Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Puffer Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28886 From: tteitgen Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Puffer Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28887 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hi guys-Saw the posts, glad I only get one a day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28888 From: Anndrea Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Lonnng post...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28889 From: risika23 Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Loaches
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28890 From: Anndrea Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Platy question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28891 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Hi guys-Saw the posts, glad I only get one a day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28892 From: H3ATH3R Date: 7/30/2008
Subject: Re: Platy question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28893 From: Rich Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Lonnng post... (Bettas)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28894 From: Matt Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: new to the list!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28895 From: Steve Szabo Date: 7/31/2008
Subject: Re: Hi guys-Saw the posts, glad I only get one a day
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28896 From: robert_bussey Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Hi All !!! New On The Site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28897 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi All !!! New On The Site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28898 From: wellrimdangel Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28899 From: Jackie Huey Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28900 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28901 From: Anndrea Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Lonnng post... (Bettas)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28902 From: pam andress Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi All !!! New On The Site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28903 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: Re: Hi All !!! New On The Site
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28904 From: Matt Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: pic's of my 30 gallon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28905 From: Matt Date: 8/1/2008
Subject: pic's of my 30 gallon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28906 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: pic's of my 30 gallon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28907 From: Angel Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28908 From: Jackie Huey Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28909 From: Rafael O. Murillo Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28910 From: Jackie Huey Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28911 From: Angel Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28912 From: Jackie Huey Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: New with a ? about tank repair
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28913 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28914 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28915 From: Matt Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28916 From: Wendie Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28917 From: pam andress Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28918 From: Angel Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28919 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28920 From: caroline Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: pic's of my 30 gallon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28921 From: Wendy Myers Date: 8/2/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Plecostamus, I hope I spelled that right
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28922 From: james Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28923 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28924 From: shari rivenburg Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: green beard algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28925 From: james Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28926 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: green beard algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28927 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: pic's of my 30 gallon
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28928 From: chris.2033 Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: SIZE of TANKS for 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28929 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: SIZE of TANKS for 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28930 From: chris.2033 Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28931 From: Matt Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28932 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28933 From: Angel Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28934 From: Angel Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: SIZE of TANKS for 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28935 From: Matt Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28936 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28937 From: Kurt Johnston Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: ACLC Swap Meet Announcement
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28938 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28939 From: Matt Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28940 From: Angel Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28941 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28942 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28943 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28944 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28945 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28946 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: SIZE of TANKS for 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28947 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28948 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28949 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28950 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: green beard algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28951 From: H3ATH3R Date: 8/3/2008
Subject: Re: my kids and a frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28952 From: tillmanalbany Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28953 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28954 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28955 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28956 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28957 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28958 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28959 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28960 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28961 From: Matt Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28962 From: Matt Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28963 From: Angel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28964 From: Diana Brooks Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: clubs in Philly/nj
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28965 From: Angel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28966 From: wellrimdangel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Suggestion to Mod.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28967 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28968 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Suggestion to Mod.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28969 From: Matt Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28970 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28971 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28972 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28973 From: Angel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Suggestion to Mod.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28974 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28975 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Time to add a few fish, any suggestions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28976 From: Matt Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28977 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Re%3A%201st%20Fresh%20Water%20Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28978 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: green beard algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28979 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Suggestion to Mod.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28980 From: Matt Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28981 From: Rich Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Fw: Lonnng post... (Bettas)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28982 From: pam andress Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: clubs in Philly/nj
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28983 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28984 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28985 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: clubs in Philly/nj
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28986 From: Kurt Johnston Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: clubs in Philly/nj
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28987 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28988 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28989 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28990 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Big problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28991 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: clubs in Philly/nj
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28992 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28993 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28994 From: SUE Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28995 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28996 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28997 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28998 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 28999 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29000 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29001 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29002 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29003 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/4/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29004 From: dapi_editor Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: looking for
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29005 From: Angel Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29006 From: tillmanalbany Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: 1st F.W. Aquarium again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29007 From: L. Gove Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29008 From: K'lyn Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Can I put a male Betta in my tank of guppies & one Angel fish?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29009 From: K'lyn Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29010 From: pam andress Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29011 From: Judith Downing Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Web auctions for fish/plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29012 From: jett07002 Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: looking for
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29013 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Recommend tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29014 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29015 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29016 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29017 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29018 From: jett07002 Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st F.W. Aquarium again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29019 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29020 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: P.S. re tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29021 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29022 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29023 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29024 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st F.W. Aquarium again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29025 From: Amalthea X Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29026 From: Angel Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29027 From: Angel Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29028 From: Angel Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: P.S. re tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29029 From: Angel Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29030 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Recommend tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29031 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29032 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: P.S. re tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29033 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29034 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st F.W. Aquarium again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29035 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/5/2008
Subject: Re: 1st Fresh Water Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29036 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Recommend tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29037 From: junglejingles Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29038 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29039 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: My new 20 gallon aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29040 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Looking for fish that are peaceful but a little more exotic than wha
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29041 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29042 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Recommend tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29043 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29044 From: janis_chrystal Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29045 From: Angel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29046 From: Angel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: P.S. re tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29047 From: Angel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29048 From: shari rivenburg Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: filter cleaning question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29049 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29050 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29051 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: P.S. re tank mate for a large veiltail goldie (a platy maybe?)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29052 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29053 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: filter cleaning question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29054 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29055 From: junglejingles Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29056 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29057 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29058 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29059 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29060 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29061 From: L. Gove Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29062 From: L. Gove Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: OT question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29063 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29064 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29065 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29066 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29067 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29068 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29069 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29070 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29071 From: Anndrea Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29072 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29073 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29074 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29075 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29076 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29077 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29078 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29079 From: harry perry Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish /Actually
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29080 From: Pandion59@gmail.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29081 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29082 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29083 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29084 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29085 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29086 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Intestinal Disease Cure?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29087 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29088 From: Paula Brown Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29089 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Filter Intake Question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29090 From: Debra Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29091 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29092 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Another new tank and plant question.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29093 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29094 From: L. Gove Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29095 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29096 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/6/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29097 From: Helen Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: WANTED: FISH TANK STAND
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29098 From: Angel Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29099 From: Matthew O' Farrell Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29101 From: Melissa Walker Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29102 From: john_walmer Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: custom fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29103 From: Springer,James C. Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29104 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29105 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29106 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29107 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29108 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29109 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29110 From: Angel Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29111 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: VERY new Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29112 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29113 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: trick for extra bio wheels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29114 From: James Springer Date: 8/7/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29115 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29116 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29117 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29118 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29119 From: Springer,James C. Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Gold Ram, but what?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29120 From: Anndrea Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: 7-8 inch Channel catfish questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29121 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29122 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29123 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: My name is Patricia.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29124 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29125 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29126 From: allen elliott Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Re: My name is Allen.(Introduction and reply to Patricia)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29127 From: Jenn Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: Freshwater Pipefish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29128 From: Jenn Date: 8/8/2008
Subject: New photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29129 From: harry perry Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater Pipefish/Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29130 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Snails, plants and confusion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29131 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29132 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Snails, plants and confusion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29133 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: New photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29134 From: shari rivenburg Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: spray bar position?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29135 From: wellrimdangel Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29136 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: spray bar position?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29137 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: spray bar position?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29138 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: spray bar position?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29139 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: spray bar position?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29140 From: Jenn Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater Pipefish/Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29141 From: harry perry Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater Pipefish/Jenn/again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29142 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater Pipefish/Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29143 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater Pipefish/Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29144 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Snails, plants and confusion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29145 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: need info for Creative Micro Controls, Aqua Comp, Model # AC-1
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29146 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: Snails, plants and confusion
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29147 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/9/2008
Subject: Re: need info for Creative Micro Controls, Aqua Comp, Model # AC-1
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29148 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Rain Forest Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29149 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29150 From: thats albert fishs pelvis! yow! Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29151 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forest Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29152 From: Alan Henney Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29153 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29154 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29155 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29156 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/10/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29158 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29159 From: Melissa Walker Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29160 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: I am new here : My name is Patricia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29161 From: Alan Henney Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29162 From: Jenn Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29163 From: Alan Henney Date: 8/11/2008
Subject: Turtle ID?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29164 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29165 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29166 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29167 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29168 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29169 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/12/2008
Subject: Re: snails- oh my!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29170 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Question about Gourami's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29171 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Gourami's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29172 From: L. Gove Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Question about Gourami's
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29173 From: Helen Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: WANTED: TANK STAND
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29174 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: TANK STAND
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29175 From: Paula Brown Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Cory's Cross-Breeding?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29176 From: wildyandangel Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: INTRODUCTOIN
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29177 From: pam andress Date: 8/13/2008
Subject: Re: Cory's Cross-Breeding?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29178 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29179 From: Helen Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: TANK STAND
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29180 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29181 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: TANK STAND
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29182 From: Mark Hough Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29183 From: moaaz amouri Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: hello turtel ID
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29184 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29185 From: harry perry Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/5 gal.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29186 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/5 gal.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29187 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29188 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning? i though i had wwash rocks by hand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29189 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning? i though i had wwash rocks by hand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29190 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29191 From: kolkri@gmail.com Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29192 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29193 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Home Page Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29194 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29195 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/14/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29196 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29197 From: wildyandangel Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: WANTED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29198 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29199 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29200 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29201 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29202 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29203 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29204 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29205 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29206 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29207 From: Rich Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re :How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29208 From: Anndrea Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Oscar foods?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29209 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29210 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29211 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning? i though i had wwash rocks by hand
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29212 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Oscar foods?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29213 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29214 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29215 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29216 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29217 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29218 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29219 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29220 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29221 From: Texas_Tears2000 Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: how many fish do u put in a 5 galloon tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29222 From: harry perry Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/ Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29223 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29224 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/ Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29225 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/ Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29226 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish/ Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29227 From: Jim D. AOL IM id is goodoldjim Date: 8/15/2008
Subject: Need info on Creative Micro Controls, Aqua Comp, Model AC-1
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29228 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need info on Creative Micro Controls, Aqua Comp, Model AC-1
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29229 From: freefallfroggie Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29230 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29231 From: Debra Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29232 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29233 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29234 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: How many fish do yall put in a
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29235 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29236 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need info on Creative Micro Controls, Aqua Comp, Model AC-1
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29237 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29238 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29239 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29240 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29241 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29242 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29243 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29244 From: Jenn Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Bushy nosed pleco compatibility
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29245 From: freefallfroggie Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29246 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29247 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29248 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29249 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29250 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now the spelling bee)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29251 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Bushy nosed pleco compatibility
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29252 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29253 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29254 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29255 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29256 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29257 From: shoedudenumb1 Date: 8/16/2008
Subject: aquatic frogs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29258 From: Bruce Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29259 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29260 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29261 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29262 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29263 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy (now more about the other fish in the tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29264 From: Tania Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29265 From: mike Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29266 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: frogs :
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29267 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: aquatic frogs - were do u get frogs,aquariums,pond frogs at
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29268 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 8/17/2008
Subject: Re: frogs :
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29269 From: james Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29270 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29271 From: kolkri@gmail.com Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29272 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29273 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29274 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29275 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29276 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: frogs :
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29277 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29278 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29279 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29280 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29281 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29282 From: kolkri@gmail.com Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29283 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29284 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29285 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: frogs :
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29286 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29287 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29288 From: kolkri@gmail.com Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29289 From: mike Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29290 From: mike Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29291 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29292 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29293 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29294 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: frogs :ok , i wouldnt put in with fish thin..........
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29295 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29296 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29297 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29298 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29299 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29300 From: ~¤Heather¤~ Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: OT RE: [AquaticLife] Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & quest
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29301 From: mike Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29302 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29303 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29304 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/18/2008
Subject: Re: Need Advice In a Hurry!..Goldfish attempted Finding Nemo!!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29305 From: Blue fish Date: 8/19/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29306 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29307 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29308 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29309 From: Chris Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29310 From: Chris Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Who here does aquaponics?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29311 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29312 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Who here does aquaponics?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29313 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/20/2008
Subject: Re: Who here does aquaponics?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29314 From: Paula Brown Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Growing Timeframe
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29315 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Growing Timeframe
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29316 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29317 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29318 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29319 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29320 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Growing Timeframe
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29321 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29322 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Re: Hello, new member, plus 911 help needed & questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29323 From: Paula Brown Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: Growing Timeframe
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29324 From: Texas_Tears2000 Date: 8/21/2008
Subject: hello fishie group, i changed my my small tank 2 day.......
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29325 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dying guppy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29326 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: how many fish do u put in a 5 galloon tank ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29327 From: amazing_grace1962 Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Hello New here!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29328 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hello New here!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29329 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hello New here!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29330 From: Chris Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Noob question - Water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29331 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: Noob question - Water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29332 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/23/2008
Subject: Re: Noob question - Water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29333 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Noob question - Water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29334 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29335 From: Kevin E Boyle Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM][AquaticLife] Noob question - Water changes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29336 From: babsdvs Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29337 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29338 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29339 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29340 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29341 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29342 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29343 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29344 From: Chris Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Activated Charcoal and Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29345 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29346 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Activated Charcoal and Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29347 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Activated Charcoal and Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29348 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29349 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29350 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29351 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29352 From: Maxmillionmaxcat@aol.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: New filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29353 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: peas for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29354 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: peas for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29355 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: peas for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29356 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: peas for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29357 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: peas for goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29358 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/24/2008
Subject: Re: Activated Charcoal and Nitrates
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29359 From: Chris Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29360 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29361 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29362 From: Chris Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Plants, Hardwater, Amonia, Nitrates, and cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29363 From: Richard Haley Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Plants, Hardwater, Amonia, Nitrates, and cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29364 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Plants, Hardwater, Amonia, Nitrates, and cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29365 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: can i add 2 fish links
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29366 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29367 From: pscottdouglass Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29368 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: onion plant in gold fish tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29369 From: Linda Badeen Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29370 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Plants
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29371 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29372 From: tillmanalbany Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29373 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29374 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29375 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29376 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29377 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29378 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29379 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29380 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29381 From: tillmanalbany Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29382 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29383 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/25/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29384 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29385 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29386 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29387 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29388 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29389 From: giuseppesalvato Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Ich or Cloudy/Pop Eye cure first?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29390 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich or Cloudy/Pop Eye cure first?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29391 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29392 From: tillmanalbany Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29393 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29394 From: Texas_Tears2000 Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: link my_fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29395 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29396 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29397 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29398 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29399 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29400 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29401 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Water Test Kits
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29402 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29403 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29404 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29405 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29406 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29407 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29408 From: Angela Bauer Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29409 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29410 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29411 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29412 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29413 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29414 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29415 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29416 From: Chris Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29417 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29418 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: [Bulk] [AquaticLife] Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29419 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29420 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29421 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29422 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29423 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29424 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29425 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29426 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/26/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29427 From: Angela Bauer Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29428 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29429 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29430 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: New w/sick fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29431 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29432 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29433 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29434 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sharks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29435 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29436 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sharks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29437 From: Angela Bauer Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29438 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29439 From: Chris Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29440 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29441 From: Angela Bauer Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Sick Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29442 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29443 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29444 From: Lana Gibbons Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29445 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fishless Cycling
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29446 From: james Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29447 From: William J. Scott Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29448 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Introducing myself
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29449 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/27/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29450 From: rsteph49 Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Looking for suggestions on a new fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29451 From: Alina Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: New member: Alina in Florida
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29452 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New member: Alina in Florida
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29453 From: joe t Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29454 From: turbocoupe76 Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: goldfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29455 From: Mark Berman Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29456 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29457 From: Chris Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29458 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29459 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29460 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29461 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29462 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29463 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29464 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29465 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/28/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29466 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29467 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29468 From: Alina Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: New member: Alina in Florida
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29469 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29470 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29471 From: risika23 Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29472 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29473 From: Sam Palermo Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29474 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29475 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29476 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Babies
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29477 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29478 From: Eric Roberts Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29479 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29480 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29481 From: Margie Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29482 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29483 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Distilled Water or Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29484 From: vivian bradish Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29485 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29486 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29487 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29488 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29489 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29490 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29491 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29492 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane preparedness for our fish tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29493 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29494 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29495 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29496 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29497 From: Chris Date: 8/29/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29498 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29499 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29500 From: joe t Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Distilled Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29501 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29502 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29503 From: Kate Conrow Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29504 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29505 From: Dana Rasmussen Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29506 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29507 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29508 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29509 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29510 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29511 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29512 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29513 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29514 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29515 From: Chris Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29516 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29517 From: mike Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: wet dry filter problem **** SOLVED *****
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29518 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29519 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29520 From: Dora Smith Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29521 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29522 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29523 From: Steve Szabo Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29524 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: much of my substrate is green
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29525 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: much of my substrate is green
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29526 From: Linda Badeen Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29527 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 8/30/2008
Subject: Lenny RE: [AquaticLife] Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29528 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Lenny RE: [AquaticLife] Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29529 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Lenny RE: [AquaticLife] Air Wisp & Fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29530 From: Alina Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Size of filter pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29531 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Size of filter pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29532 From: Tricia Wilkerson Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Future project thought.... was hoping for some input
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29533 From: Chris Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29534 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Future project thought.... was hoping for some input
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29535 From: Chris Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Future project thought.... was hoping for some input
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29536 From: Donna Ransome Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Future project thought.... was hoping for some input
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29537 From: Chris Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Live Plants...take two lol
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29538 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: Future project thought.... was hoping for some input
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29539 From: chuck whhitmarsh Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29540 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29541 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29542 From: chuck whhitmarsh Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29543 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 8/31/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29544 From: babsdvs Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: OT - Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29545 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29546 From: cin Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29547 From: grdnfan243@aol.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: for sale
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29548 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: OT - Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29549 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: 500 Gallon DIY Outside Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29550 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29551 From: lizkakot Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Those who live in the Santa Cruz area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29552 From: Margie Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: OT - Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29553 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: OT - Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29554 From: va22_vyshys Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: angelfish problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29555 From: Margie Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Those who live in the Santa Cruz area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29556 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29557 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: angelfish problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29558 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: angelfish problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29559 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29560 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29561 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29562 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29563 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: How long can I keep my fish in a bucket while cleaning gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29564 From: schroedel2003 Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: need advise on skimmer.....
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29565 From: va22_vyshys Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: angelfish problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29566 From: Chris Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29567 From: Chris Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29568 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29569 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29570 From: jedi_n_dc Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Plants for a shady pond?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29571 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29572 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29573 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: OT - Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29574 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: 500 Gallon DIY Outside Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29575 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Plants for a shady pond?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29576 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29577 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29578 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29579 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29580 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29581 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29582 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29583 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/1/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29584 From: jedi_n_dc Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Plants for a shady pond?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29585 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: angelfish problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29586 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29587 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29588 From: lizkakot Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Plants for a shady pond?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29589 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29590 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29591 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: 500 Gallon DIY Outside Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29592 From: kid_collector_06 Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29593 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29594 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: 500 Gallon DIY Outside Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29595 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29596 From: Lenny Vasbinder Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29597 From: L. Gove Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29598 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29599 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29600 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29601 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29602 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29603 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: My Quarantein Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29604 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29605 From: joe t Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29606 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29607 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29608 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29609 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29610 From: Chris Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29611 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Brown stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29612 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Gustav
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29613 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29614 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29615 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Brown stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29616 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29617 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29618 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29619 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: GUSTAV - OT
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29620 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29621 From: pam andress Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29622 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29623 From: pam andress Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29624 From: Margie Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29625 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/2/2008
Subject: Re: Brown stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29626 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29627 From: joe t Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29628 From: N Taweel Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29629 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29630 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Fwd: [AquaticLife] Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29631 From: PATRICIA SALZMANN Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Brown stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29632 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29633 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29634 From: Jackie Huey Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29635 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29636 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29637 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29638 From: Chris Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29639 From: Chris Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29640 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29641 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29642 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29643 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29644 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29645 From: Margie Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29646 From: Margie Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29647 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29648 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29649 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29650 From: Margie Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29651 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29652 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29653 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29654 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29655 From: Margie Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29656 From: Margie Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29657 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29658 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29659 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29660 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29661 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29662 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29663 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29664 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Brown stuff in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29665 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29666 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29667 From: Chris Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29668 From: Chris Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29669 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29670 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Pond overrun w/ algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29671 From: Chris Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29672 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29673 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/3/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29674 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29675 From: Margie Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Dismanteling An Old Tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29676 From: N Taweel Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29677 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29678 From: joe t Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29679 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angelfish disease?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29680 From: Chris Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29681 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29682 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29683 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29684 From: K'lyn Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29685 From: K'lyn Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29686 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29687 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29688 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: harvesting gravel and drift wood from nature
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29689 From: mike Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: u tube syphon air bubble problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29690 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29691 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Gravel Cleaning?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29692 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29693 From: Robert Mazur Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Filter cleanings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29694 From: Paula Brown Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Request from a Digester
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29695 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29696 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29697 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29698 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/4/2008
Subject: Re: Filter cleanings
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29699 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29700 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29701 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: u tube syphon air bubble problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29702 From: rsteph49 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29703 From: Chris Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Request from a Digester
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29704 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29705 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Request from a Digester
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29706 From: Blue fish Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29707 From: Helen Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Help: my fish stop growing.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29708 From: L. Gove Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29709 From: rsteph49 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29710 From: L. Gove Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29711 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29712 From: L. Gove Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29713 From: rsteph49 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29714 From: Gregg Bender Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29715 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Help: my fish stop growing.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29716 From: Margie Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29717 From: Margie Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29718 From: mike Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: u tube syphon air bubble problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29719 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29720 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29721 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: u tube syphon air bubble problem
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29722 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29723 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29724 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29725 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: catching rain water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29726 From: mike Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: : air bubble problem & evaporation question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29727 From: Chris Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Request from a Digester
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29728 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29729 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: : air bubble problem & evaporation question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29730 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: LittleSprite's Nitrate and pH issues (was Re:old tank)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29731 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29732 From: alice_summer2008 Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: hi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29733 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29734 From: L. Gove Date: 9/5/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29735 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29736 From: L. Gove Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29737 From: L. Gove Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29738 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29739 From: L. Gove Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Question Regard Fish and Tank Size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29740 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Fun Fish Housekeeping Behavior
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29741 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29742 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29743 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29744 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29745 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29746 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29747 From: L. Gove Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29748 From: Wendie Date: 9/6/2008
Subject: Re: Am I asking for trouble?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29749 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29750 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29751 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29752 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29753 From: Wildyspage3girl@aol.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: as you love fish,a pic for you of our tank and fish, regards, wildy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29754 From: Gwydryn@aol.com Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Question on snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29755 From: pam andress Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Question on snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29756 From: littlesprite43086 Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29757 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: old tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29758 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29759 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29760 From: Margie Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29761 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29762 From: Tony Lucas Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29763 From: Jackie Huey Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29764 From: pam andress Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29765 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: as you love fish,a pic for you of our tank and fish, regards, wi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29766 From: Margie Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29767 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29768 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29769 From: pam andress Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29770 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29771 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Help: my fish stop growing.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29772 From: Bill Lane Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Gold Chunk II
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29773 From: pam andress Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Gold Chunk II
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29774 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Gold Chunk II
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29775 From: Chris Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Water PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29776 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29777 From: Jackie Huey Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Some ID help please
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29778 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29779 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi im new and have some questions on filters/tank size
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29780 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Water PH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29781 From: clubsprint Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29782 From: Mike Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29783 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29784 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29785 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29786 From: L. Gove Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29787 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29788 From: Chris Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29789 From: Dr. Norman Ali Khalaf Date: 9/7/2008
Subject: Cetacea Palaestina : The Whales and Dolphins in Palestinian Waters.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29790 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29791 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29792 From: Chris Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29793 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29794 From: Margie Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29795 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29796 From: Chris Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29797 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29798 From: Chris Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29799 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29800 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29801 From: harry perry Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply/Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29802 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29803 From: harry perry Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: The Grouply story
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29804 From: Margie Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29805 From: Margie Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: The Grouply story
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29806 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: The Grouply story
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29807 From: harry perry Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: The Grouply story/Tinyurl
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29808 From: Joe Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29809 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Cetacea Palaestina : The Whales and Dolphins in Palestinian Wate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29810 From: L. Gove Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Cetacea Palaestina : The Whales and Dolphins in Palestinian Wate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29811 From: Jenn Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Labidochromis sp. Hongi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29812 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/8/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29813 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29814 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29815 From: Chris Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Grouply
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29816 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Labidochromis sp. Hongi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29817 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Labidochromis sp. Hongi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29818 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/9/2008
Subject: Re: Labidochromis sp. Hongi
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29819 From: jett07002 Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29820 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/10/2008
Subject: Snail disaster
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29821 From: Joe Date: 9/11/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29822 From: ED Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29823 From: jett07002 Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29824 From: pam andress Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29825 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29826 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Can Smoke affect water quality?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29827 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29828 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29829 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29830 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29831 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29832 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29833 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29834 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29835 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29836 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29837 From: janis_chrystal Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29838 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: FW: MODERATE -- bertindakpantas@yahoo.com posted to AquaticLife
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29839 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29840 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29841 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29842 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29843 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29844 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Are there gold fish suitable for home aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29845 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29846 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29847 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29848 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29849 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29850 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29851 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Are there gold fish suitable for home aquariums?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29852 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29853 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29854 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29855 From: cin Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29856 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29857 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29858 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29859 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29860 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29861 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29862 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/12/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29863 From: cin Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29864 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29865 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29866 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29867 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29868 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29869 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29870 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Babies!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29871 From: jan1213@aol.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29872 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Babies!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29873 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29874 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Babies!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29875 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29876 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29877 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29878 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29879 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29880 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29881 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29882 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: My danio jumped out of its container and I stepped on it
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29883 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29884 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29885 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29886 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29887 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29888 From: Linda Badeen Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29889 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Can I still use this water?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29890 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: My danio jumped out of its container and I stepped on it
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29891 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29892 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29893 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29894 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can I still use this water?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29895 From: L. Gove Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: interesting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29896 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29897 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: interesting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29898 From: L. Gove Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: interesting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29899 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29900 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can I still use this water?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29901 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29902 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: interesting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29903 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29904 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29905 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29906 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: My danio jumped out of its container and I stepped on it
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29907 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Gold fish question
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29908 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29909 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29910 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29911 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29912 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29913 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29914 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29915 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29916 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29917 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Cleaning Gravel in planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29918 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29919 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29920 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29921 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29922 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29923 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29924 From: L. Gove Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: interesting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29925 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Gravel in planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29926 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29927 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29928 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29929 From: L. Gove Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29930 From: Margie Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29931 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29932 From: Eric Roberts Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29933 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29934 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29935 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Well and Chlorine Questions
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29936 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29937 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29938 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29939 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29940 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29941 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29942 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning Gravel in planted tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29943 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29944 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29945 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/13/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone identify what's growing in my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29947 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29948 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29949 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29950 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29951 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29952 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29953 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29954 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29955 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29956 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29957 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29958 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29959 From: Hans Brost Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29960 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29961 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29962 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29963 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Ammonia in drinking water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29964 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: One of my swordtails died tonight.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29965 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Algae (Hair)?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29966 From: K'lyn Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29967 From: Tony Lucas Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29968 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Off topic. links for weather definitions.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29969 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29970 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29971 From: Wendy Myers Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29972 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29973 From: Margie Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29974 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29975 From: Margie Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29976 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29977 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: Hurricane Ike
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29978 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29979 From: Wendy Myers Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29980 From: Wendy Myers Date: 9/14/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29981 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29982 From: K'lyn Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29983 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29984 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29985 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29986 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29987 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: ? on Marble chips as gravel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29988 From: GEF/UNDP/UNOPS PEMSEA Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Happy International Coastal Clean Up Day!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29989 From: Peaches Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29990 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Happy International Coastal Clean Up Day!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29991 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29992 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29993 From: Peaches Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29994 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29995 From: Edgar Javison Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29996 From: Peaches Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29997 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29998 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/15/2008
Subject: Re: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 29999 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: AquaticLife] Re: My Fish and Survived Hurricane Ike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30000 From: Suzi Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30001 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30002 From: ED Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Brackish / Salt for Figure Eight Puffers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30003 From: ED Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30004 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30005 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30006 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30007 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30008 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30009 From: Suzi Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30010 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30011 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30012 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Suzi's Pleco and Betta (was: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30013 From: Suzi Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Suzi's Pleco and Betta (was: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30014 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30015 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30016 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30017 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30018 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30019 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30020 From: Kate Conrow Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30021 From: Kate Conrow Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30022 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30023 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrate levels
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30024 From: freefallfroggie Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Suzi's Pleco and Betta (was: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30025 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Suzi's Pleco and Betta (was: A Betta and An Albino Clawed Frog)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30026 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30027 From: Chris Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30028 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30029 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30030 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30031 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30032 From: Chris Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30033 From: Chris Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Getting ready to add the first fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30034 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30035 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30036 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30037 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30038 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30039 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30040 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30041 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30042 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30043 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30044 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: Getting ready to add the first fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30045 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30046 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/16/2008
Subject: Re: 4 Angels in a 20 long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30047 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30048 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30049 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30050 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30051 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30052 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30053 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30054 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Getting ready to add the first fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30055 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30056 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30057 From: Suzi Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30058 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30059 From: Suzi Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30060 From: Mark Hough Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30061 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30062 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30063 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30064 From: Mark Hough Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30065 From: geana_wolf Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30066 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30067 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30068 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: I have a question Lenny..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30069 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30070 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/17/2008
Subject: Re: Comunity tank 22g
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30071 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: PFK's "10 hideously ugly fish"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30072 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Unidentified fish under new photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30073 From: MADAN LOMBAR Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: PFK's "10 hideously ugly fish"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30074 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: Unidentified fish under new photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30075 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: PFK's "10 hideously ugly fish"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30076 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30077 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30078 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30079 From: Kevin E Boyle Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM]RE: [AquaticLife] Re: New group member introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30080 From: harry perry Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency/Tania relax
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30081 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Cleaning of saltwater tank to make it safe for freshwater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30082 From: harry perry Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: saltwater tank /Vivian
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30083 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: PFK's "10 hideously ugly fish"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30084 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: The Sant Ocean Hall
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30085 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30086 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30087 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30088 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30089 From: L. Gove Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30090 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30091 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning of saltwater tank to make it safe for freshwater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30092 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: PFK's "10 hideously ugly fish"
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30093 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30094 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30095 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30096 From: Wendie Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30097 From: Wendie Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30098 From: pam andress Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30099 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30100 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/18/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30101 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30102 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30103 From: Margie Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30104 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30105 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30106 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Unidentified fish under new photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30107 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning of saltwater tank to make it safe for freshwater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30108 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30109 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30110 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30111 From: Voodoo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Freshwater jellyfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30112 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30113 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30114 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30115 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30116 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30117 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30118 From: Alina Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter pump
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30119 From: Wendie Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30120 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30121 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30122 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Cleaning of saltwater tank to make it safe for freshwater
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30123 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30124 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30125 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30126 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30127 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30128 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: 10 ugly fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30129 From: Chris Owens-Polski Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30130 From: Chris Owens-Polski Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30131 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30132 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Freshwater jellyfish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30133 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30134 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30135 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30136 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30137 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30138 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30139 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30140 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30141 From: Chris Owens-Polski Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30142 From: pam andress Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30143 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30144 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30145 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30146 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30147 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30148 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30149 From: laraandgirls Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30150 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: 10 ugly fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30151 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency - NOW other pets playing in tanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30152 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30153 From: Margie Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30154 From: va22_vyshys Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30155 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: PH cures
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30156 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30157 From: pam andress Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30158 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30159 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30160 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30161 From: allie1068@yahoo.com Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30162 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: 10 ugly fish
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30163 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30164 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30165 From: pam andress Date: 9/19/2008
Subject: Re: Vero Beach, Florida -- Kindergarten class needs a 10-gal filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30166 From: laraandgirls Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30167 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Scouting Research
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30168 From: lizkakot Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30169 From: Red Terror Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: DISCUS
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30170 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30171 From: Margie Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30172 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30173 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30174 From: Margie Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30175 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30176 From: Margie Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30177 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30178 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30179 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30180 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30181 From: lizkakot Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30182 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30183 From: junglejingles Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Unidentified fish under new photos
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30184 From: Kurt Johnston Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: ACLC Reminder
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30185 From: Margie Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30186 From: Wendie Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: in search of something different
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30187 From: Blue fish Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Latest news about marine biology
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30188 From: Chris Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: check this out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30189 From: cheeseymicron03 Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30190 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30191 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30192 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30193 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30194 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30195 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30196 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30197 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30198 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/20/2008
Subject: Re: ph Balance
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30199 From: Linda Badeen Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30200 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30201 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: check this out
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30202 From: K'lyn Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: TB Emergency
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30203 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30204 From: Margie Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30205 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30206 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30207 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30208 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? Tania
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30209 From: hank voss Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30210 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30211 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? Tania
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30212 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? Tania/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30213 From: Chris Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30214 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30215 From: Margie Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30216 From: Chris Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30217 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris/again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30218 From: Chris Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris/again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30219 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Book Abstracts
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30220 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. /So Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30221 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30222 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris/again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30223 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? Tania/Lenny
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30224 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30225 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30226 From: lizkakot Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30227 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30228 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30229 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30230 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris/again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30231 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30232 From: laraandgirls Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30233 From: Erik Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Strange Little Bugs in my Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30234 From: Chris Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30235 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30236 From: Chris Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?/Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30237 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? /Tania, mixing meds.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30238 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: WANTED: Fish Tank/ Aquarium (Santa Cruz Area)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30239 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30240 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Strange Little Bugs in my Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30241 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30242 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30243 From: Margie Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30244 From: Margie Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? /Tania, mixing meds.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30245 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30246 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30247 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. /So Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30248 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. /So Chris
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30249 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30250 From: canampc Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30251 From: harry perry Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up/Tania again
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30252 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone looking for Cichlids in greensburg PA area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30253 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30254 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30255 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30256 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30257 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30258 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30259 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30260 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30261 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30262 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Strange Little Bugs in my Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30263 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30264 From: Edgar Javison Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30265 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/21/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30266 From: Chris Owens Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Thank you to everyone regardinging ID'ing my cichlids alas no longer
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30267 From: bubuci@tmo.blackberry.net Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent! Tb? follow up
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30268 From: K'lyn Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30269 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: new tetra safestart
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30270 From: pam andress Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Thank you to everyone regardinging ID'ing my cichlids alas no lo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30271 From: Erik Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Strange Little Bugs in my Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30272 From: CanAm Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: new tetra safestart
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30273 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: new tetra safestart
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30274 From: Chris Owens-Polski Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Thank you to everyone regardinging ID'ing my cichlids alas no lo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30275 From: CanAm Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: new tetra safestart
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30276 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Thank you to everyone regardinging ID'ing my cichlids alas no lo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30277 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30278 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Food Suppliment: Algae Wafers/Vitamins
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30279 From: Margie Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30280 From: Margie Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Strange Little Bugs in my Aquarium
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30281 From: Margie Phelps Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30282 From: N Taweel Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30283 From: Edgar Javison Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30284 From: CanAm Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30285 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30286 From: Chris Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30287 From: K'lyn Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30288 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30289 From: gambusiaaffinis Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30290 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30291 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30292 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30293 From: gambusiaaffinis Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Those who live in the Santa Cruz area
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30294 From: gambusiaaffinis Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: October 4 is Fish Mega Auction!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30295 From: Chris Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30296 From: gambusiaaffinis Date: 9/22/2008
Subject: Lightning Trout --------- >< ) ) ) *>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30297 From: Edgar Javison Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: I'm enamored by catfish! Now, I've got a problem...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30298 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Dead Angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30299 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30300 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30301 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30302 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30303 From: Chris Owens-Polski Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Thank you to everyone regardinging ID'ing my cichlids alas no lo
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30304 From: Chris Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30305 From: Chris Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30306 From: CanAm Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30307 From: Margie Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30308 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30309 From: CanAm Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30310 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30311 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30312 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30313 From: jett07002 Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30314 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30315 From: Margie Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30316 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30317 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30318 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30319 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30320 From: Margie Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30321 From: CanAm Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30322 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30323 From: CanAm Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30324 From: CanAm Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: PH 7.8. What is a man to do?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30325 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30326 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs (Baby Brine Shrimp)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30327 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30328 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs (Baby Brine Shrimp)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30329 From: Margie Phelps Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30330 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30331 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs (Baby Brine Shrimp)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30332 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30333 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Water stains on bulb glass
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30334 From: Jim Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: There are bargains out there...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30335 From: Jim Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30336 From: henry puryear Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30337 From: Leonard Vasbinder Date: 9/23/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30338 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30339 From: Saps Gal Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Newbie to the group saying hello and adding some info on my tanks!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30340 From: N Taweel Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30341 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs (Baby Brine Shrimp)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30342 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30343 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30344 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30345 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: whites of their eyes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30346 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30347 From: cheeseymicron03 Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30348 From: N Taweel Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30349 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30350 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30351 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30352 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30353 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: My Male Guppie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30354 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30355 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie to the group saying hello and adding some info on my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30356 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Just added first fish. Is this normal?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30357 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Urgent:Angels laid eggs
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30358 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30359 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30360 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30361 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30362 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30363 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30364 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30365 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30366 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30367 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30368 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30369 From: Margie Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30370 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30371 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this equipment is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30372 From: pam andress Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30373 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30374 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30375 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30376 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30377 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: What cold fish you like
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30378 From: Margie Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30379 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30380 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30381 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30382 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30383 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30384 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30385 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30386 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30387 From: Margie Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30388 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30389 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie to the group saying hello and adding some info on my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30390 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30391 From: Gambusia Affinis Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: What cold fish you like
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30392 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30393 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30394 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30395 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30396 From: Summerfun Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Mating Texas Cichlids (think I removed wrong fish)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30397 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: What cold fish you like
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30398 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30399 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: What cold fish you like
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30400 From: pam andress Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30401 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: What cold fish you like
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30402 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30403 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30404 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30405 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30406 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30407 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30408 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Mating Texas Cichlids (think I removed wrong fish)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30409 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30410 From: Margie Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: vacuum
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30411 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30412 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30413 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30414 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30415 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30416 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30417 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30418 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30419 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30420 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30421 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30422 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30423 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30424 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30425 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30426 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30427 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30428 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30429 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30430 From: CanAm Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30431 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30432 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30433 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30434 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30435 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30436 From: jules27au Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Yet - Another Ammonia Query
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30437 From: jtpollito Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30438 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30439 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30440 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30441 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30442 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30443 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30444 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30445 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30446 From: jtpollito Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Yet - Another Ammonia Query
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30447 From: jason Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: plywood anyone?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30448 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30449 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30450 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30451 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30452 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood anyone?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30453 From: Jason Boldt Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30454 From: jason Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30455 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30456 From: Jason Boldt Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood anyone?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30457 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30458 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30459 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Re: plywood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30460 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30461 From: Chris Date: 9/24/2008
Subject: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30462 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30463 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30464 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: plywood anyone?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30465 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30466 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: One pudgie Gourami
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30467 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30468 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Funny thing about my angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30469 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Funny thing about my angel
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30470 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30471 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30472 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30473 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30474 From: josh4fish Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Bubbles...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30475 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30476 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling - Ammonia
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30477 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30478 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30479 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30480 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30481 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30482 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Bubbles...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30483 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30484 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30485 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30486 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30487 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30488 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30489 From: josh4fish Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Bubbles...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30490 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30491 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30492 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30493 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30494 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Bubbles...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30495 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30496 From: Margie Phelps Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Fasting
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30497 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30498 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30499 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30500 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30501 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30502 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30503 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Yet - Another Ammonia Query
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30504 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30505 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30506 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30507 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30508 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30509 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30510 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30511 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30512 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tank size -vs- Water in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30513 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30514 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: My Bubbles!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30515 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tank size -vs- Water in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30516 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30517 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Tank size -vs- Water in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30518 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30519 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30520 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30521 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30522 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30523 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30524 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: Purigen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30525 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30526 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30527 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30528 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30529 From: CanAm Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30530 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30531 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30532 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30533 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: API Master Test. Is it yellow or greenish??
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30534 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30535 From: Chris Date: 9/25/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30536 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30537 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tank size -vs- Water in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30538 From: vivian bradish Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: I rescued a fish tank, hope I am taking the right steps to save the
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30539 From: Alina Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Aquarium Temps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30540 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: In tank ammonia meeters
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30541 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: I rescued a fish tank, hope I am taking the right steps to ...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30542 From: hank voss Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Temps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30543 From: cheeseymicron03 Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30544 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30545 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: I rescued a fish tank, hope I am taking the right steps to save
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30546 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Temps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30547 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30548 From: Alison Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Hard Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30549 From: Suzy Smith Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30550 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Hard Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30551 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Tank size -vs- Water in tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30552 From: Saps Gal Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30553 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30554 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30555 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30556 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30557 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30558 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30559 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30560 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30561 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30562 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30563 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30564 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30565 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30566 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30567 From: henry puryear Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30568 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30569 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30570 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30571 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30572 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: High KH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30573 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30574 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: High KH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30575 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: High KH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30576 From: henry puryear Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30577 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my fishes
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30578 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: High KH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30579 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30580 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: High KH
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30581 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30582 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30583 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30584 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30585 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30586 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30587 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30588 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30589 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30590 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30591 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30592 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30593 From: henry puryear Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30594 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30595 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30596 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30597 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30598 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30599 From: CanAm Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30600 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30601 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30602 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30603 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30604 From: Richard Haley Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Temps
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30605 From: Chris Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30606 From: henry puryear Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30607 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30608 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30609 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/26/2008
Subject: Scouting Oceans
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30610 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you recommend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30611 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30612 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30613 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30614 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30615 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30616 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30617 From: Chris Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend. I'm gonna get pounced..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30618 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30619 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30620 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend. I'm gonna get pounced..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30621 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend. I'm gonna get pounced..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30622 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30623 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30624 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30625 From: Donna Ransome Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30626 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30627 From: uttam kumar Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30628 From: Saps Gal Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30629 From: Alison Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hard Water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30630 From: henry puryear Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30631 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30632 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30633 From: Chris Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30634 From: Chris Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend. I'm gonna get pounced..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30635 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend. I'm gonna get pounced..
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30636 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30637 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Fish store fun
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30638 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fish store fun
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30639 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30640 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Fish store fun
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30641 From: canampc Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccomend.)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30642 From: CanAm Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: The Excel was : Re: [AquaticLife] Ich! What do you reccomend.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30643 From: CanAm Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Chris problems
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30644 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30645 From: CanAm Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30646 From: CanAm Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30647 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30648 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30649 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Hey Dora
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30650 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30651 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/27/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30652 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30653 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30654 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30655 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30656 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30657 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30658 From: Diana Brooks Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: LFS recommendation request
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30659 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30660 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: LFS recommendation request
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30661 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: new plants new fish- ahhhhhh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30662 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30663 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30664 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30665 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30666 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30667 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Update on my Angel wigglers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30668 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Update on my Angel wigglers
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30669 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30670 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30671 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: An interesting Link about chemistry of water and other
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30672 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30673 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30674 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30675 From: Chris Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Thank You!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30676 From: canampc Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30677 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Traintement with excel was : ( Re: Ich! What do you reccome...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30678 From: Dreamsteeds Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30679 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30680 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30681 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30682 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30683 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30684 From: jett07002 Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help! Water chemistry is wayyyyyyyyyyyy off!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30685 From: texas_tears2000 Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: whats water chemistry ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30686 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30687 From: CanAm Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: whats water chemistry ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30688 From: Courtland Jacob Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: new filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30689 From: Dreamsteeds Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30690 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: whats water chemistry ?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30691 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/28/2008
Subject: Re: new filter
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30692 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: An interesting Link about chemistry of water and other
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30693 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30694 From: cheeseymicron03 Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30695 From: Alina Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30696 From: josh4fish Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30697 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30698 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30699 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30700 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30701 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30702 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30703 From: Dreamsteeds Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30704 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Fin problems and redness
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30705 From: Nedra Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30706 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30707 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30708 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Fin problems and redness
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30709 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30710 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30711 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30712 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30713 From: Dreamsteeds Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30714 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30715 From: Dreamsteeds Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30716 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? algae qu
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30717 From: Chris Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30718 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30719 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30720 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30721 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30722 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30723 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30724 From: sevenspringss@wmconnect.com Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Thanks & Can anyone tell me what this might be please? ...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30725 From: CanAm Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30726 From: Margie Phelps Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Moving fromTX to Ky
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30727 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30728 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Moving fromTX to Ky
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30729 From: Chris Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30730 From: Alina Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30731 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30732 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30733 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30734 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30735 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/29/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30736 From: josh4fish Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30737 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30738 From: josh4fish Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Bristlenose and Hillstream Loach
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30739 From: cheeseymicron03 Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30740 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30741 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30742 From: flohk13@aol.com Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30743 From: Alison Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Anyone know of a good Killifish breeder?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30744 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30745 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30746 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30747 From: deborahgd14 Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good Killifish breeder?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30748 From: deborahgd14 Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Moving fromTX to Ky
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30749 From: Suzy Snowflake Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30750 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good Killifish breeder?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30751 From: Nedra Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30752 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30753 From: Nedra Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Setting up a 55 gal
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30754 From: Dora Smith Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a 55 gal
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30755 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good Killifish breeder?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30756 From: Steve Szabo Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Introduction
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30757 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Red algae, anyone????
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30758 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a 55 gal
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30759 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30760 From: henry puryear Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Anyone know of a good Killifish breeder?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30761 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30762 From: Texas_Tears2000 Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30763 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Todays water
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30764 From: harry perry Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a 55 gal/Nedra
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30765 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Sarah Huss' thread (was Re: Todays water) (that will keep them s
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30766 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: apple snails
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30767 From: William J. Scott Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Base line test
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30768 From: Sarah Huss Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Nitrite Spike!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 30769 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 9/30/2008
Subject: Re: Base line test



Group: AquaticLife Message: 25208 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Diane, From your further posts, and your description in noting snail
eggs within the water column and not above the surface line, I'd have
to think these snails are of the smaller varieties, most probably
either Pond or Ramshorn Snails. As such, depending on your tank size,
its present stocking density and your propensity for adding additional
fish with your Guppies and Mollies if these above conditions warrant
it -- and your fondness (or lack of) members of the Botia Family, you
might want to consider adding a couple of Clown Loaches which will
relish these snails and make short work of them. Be advised though,
that these Loaches can get upwards of 12" or so, but they grow rather
slowly (probably as nearly to many years as it is to reach this 12"
size). As they approach getting too large for your tank, you could
always trade them back to any cooperative LFS. Since they do prefer
the company of conspecifics, they do better in this situation rather
than by themselves. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being
> over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
Thanks
> Diane
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25209 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Substrate question - planted tanks
Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)

I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past what to put on the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more confusing it gets. I'm doing a cool water set up, making it easy on myself and planning on buying a collection of plants already put together by the nursery (I'll add to later as I become more confident in how to choose plants -- but starting out with a 150 gallon tank, the initial planting can be an expert's collection.) After the plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding fish (cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a heater, which is probably good because in winter especially my house gets a little chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to, as well as adding grow lights for the plants, especially in winter when no window in this house gets any light! I haven't checked out the filter system that comes w/ the set up yet (buying used), but will add to as necessary.

Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate or another would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice -- this is really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted tank so much more than a "regular" tank, even though it is a good deal more expensive to set up. We're taking it in stages and I'm learning the value of patience ;)

Thanks!
Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25210 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Thanks Steve!

In all honesty I do not have gravel in my tank at the moment. I do
have large rock formations and drift wood but no substrate. I have
been meaning to add small gravel (have even purchased a bunch) but
haven't put any in for fear of disturbing the fish. I guess it is
time to get that done right? LOL...

I do run a five gallon bucket of water from the tap usually two days
before doing my water change. I usually treat the water with Amquel+
because I was under the impression it helped with clorine removal.
When I use my pump to drain the tank, I drain it into another five
gallon bucket. I then use the pump and treated water from the clean
water bucket to replace the exact amount of water that I removed.

I guess I will need to purchase a gravel vaccume in order to start
doing a better job of maintanence. I have quite a few different
species of snails, clams, and mussels. I have always figured they
would keep the rocks clean, so I never put much thought into
extensive cleaning.

Can you recommend a good gravel cleaner?

Thank you.

Kevin


>
> How the water gets changed is pretty immaterial. You do, however
need to
> also clean the gravel. The best time to do this task is when you are
> changing water, and the best method is to use a gravel vacuum. I
don't
> know if this is being done by your admission of not wanting to
disturb
> the habitat. Detritus trapped in the gravel will eventually rot
causing
> various possible problems with your tank, such as anaerobic areas,
the
> creation of hydrogen sulfide, and the growth of fungus, etc.
>
> You also do not mention whether or how you treat the incoming
water. You
> may well be in the minority with a good private supply of water, but
> most of us need to remove chlorine, at least, chloramines and other
> substances at the worst. There are many methods that can accomplish
> these tasks, inside and outside the tank.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water changes
>
> William,
>
> I usually use as small water pump to remove the water from my tank
> during PWC. I figured it would cause less stress of my fish. I also
> use the same water pump to slowly put the fresh water back into my
> tank. Does this even make a difference? LOL..or am I being too anal
> about water changes?
>
> I try my very best not to disturb their habitat as much as posible.
>
> Thanks!
>
> >
> > I have only been in this hobby for a little over 55 years (yes 55
> > years) and the more that i get to know about fish the more that I
> get
> > to know that I don't know about them. I am a firm believer in
> doing
> > smaller but much more frequent partial water changes which will
> cause
> > a smaller change in water parameters but also will get rid of
> > unwanted and unhealthy things in the water. I belong to a couple
> of
> > local aquarium clubs and when some of the people come over to
look
> at
> > my fish that cannot believe how fast some of my fish have grown.
> Also
> > if you do frequent water changes you can even do larger ones
> because
> > the water quality will not be that different for the tap water
> (minus
> > the chlorine and chloramine and heavy metals that you should be
> > treating for with a water change)
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> > <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with you Joe T.
> > >
> > > The problem lies in that these posts go out to thousands of
> members
> > who may
> > > not read an entire thread and if they simply read the bad
advice
> > from
> > > somebody that is posted in a reputable group, they may take
that
> > info as
> > > reputable so it's a good idea for one or more members to offer
> > contradicting
> > > advice or opinions when something is posted that may not be the
> > best thing.
> > >
> > > And thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Steve
> Szabo.
> > Much of
> > > what I have learned came from reading his replies over the
> years.
> > >
> > > Happy New Year everybody!!!
> > >
> > > Lenny Vasbinder
> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of joe t
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:04 AM
> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
> changes
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter to me whether my analogy was very good or
not.
> > The only
> > > point I was trying to make was that you have to do PWCs no
> matter
> > how good
> > > you think your filter system is.
> > >
> > > I been keeping fish for more years than I care to remember, but
> I'm
> > not good
> > > with the fancy words. I leave that explaining up to Lenny and
> Steve
> > (Szabo).
> > > They're good at it and I agree with almost everything they say.
> > >
> > > This go around, I think, smacks of some chap we had here a few
> > months back.
> > > It's making me wonder if he came back with a different name. I
> > don't know
> > > what this steve is trying to prove with all this nit picking
> about
> > changing
> > > a 1/2 gallon of water as opposed to a gallon, etc. but it sure
> > sounds like a
> > > lot of nonsense to me.
> > >
> > > That's all I intend to say on this subject no matter what
> replies I
> > may get.
> > >
> > >
> > > joe t
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> Date:
> > 12/30/2007
> > > 11:27 AM
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25211 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: PH Control
Guys,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.

None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25212 From: Kevin Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Send them to me. I'll give them a home. LOL...

I read somewhere that Loaches love to eat snails.

Kevin


>
> Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being
> over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
Thanks
> Diane
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25213 From: bmp Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Hi Helen,

I know what you mean about expense. Last night I
ordered the lights for my new tank and even with them
being on sale and receiving free shipping, they are
not cheap. My poor husband, but he doesn't really
complain, there is just that 'look' on his face when I
tell him how much it will cost. Poor guy, his hobbies
are cheaper, haha.

Anyway, I have two other planted tanks. One has plain,
natural gravel with the grains being the medium size
from Petsmart (approx. the size of dried navy or pinto
beans, more or less). It does pretty well but I add
Flourish tabs (slow-dissolving plant fertilizer
tablets) to the substrate to help it. I occasionally
dose it with liquid FLourish and Flourish Excel but
I'm off schedule with that and don't do it very often
now. There I have had great luck with jungle
vallisneria, water wisteria, Cryptocoryne wendtii and,
of course, Java ferns. And I can't forget that frogbit
does great but so does duckweed and that is a problem
now. I have 130 watts of light over 37 gallons so that
works out to almost 3.5 watts/gallon, for about 11
hours/day.

The other one is a 29 gallon with thin bottom and top
layers of natural gravel, the smallest kind (about
half the size of the other), with approx. 2 inches of
regular flourite in between. Those plants are doing
great too and there is where I am seeing some success
with twisted/corkscrew vallisneria (my favorite). I
also grow water wisteria, a nice-sized melon sword, C.
wendtii and C. lutens (I think that is it, it is a
little shorter than wendtii), Echinodoros tenellius
and dwarf sagittaria, plus Java ferns on Malaysian
driftwood, frogbit (smaller amount) and the dreaded
duckweed. That tank is lit for about the same number
of hours, with 65 watts over 29 gallons, a little more
than 3 watts/gallon. I don't add Flourish tabs and
haven't given it liquid Flourish for months and it
does fine. With alternate water changes I prune but
that isn't a big job with this tank; the jungle
vallisneria in the 37 gallon makes the other tank's
pruning more of a job.

Sorry if this is excessive detail, I hope it will help
to read a bit of how 'real life' tanks can be done.
I'm not inclined to having CO2 as that is one more
thing to maintain so I'm quite pleased with how I am
doing so far without it. I wish you lots of luck and a
good start to your new, huge (haha) aquarium.

Beverly

--- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:

> Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)
> Any suggestions from real people actually using
> one substrate or another would be greatly
> appreciated (as would any other advice -- this is
> really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a
> planted tank so much more than a "regular" tank,
> even though it is a good deal more expensive to set
> up. We're taking it in stages and I'm learning the
> value of patience ;)
>
> Thanks!
> Helen



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25214 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Kevin,
I highly recommend using Wardley's Bullseye 7.0. I have used this with
tremendous success for ages. Use this per instructions and it holds
the ph in check at 7.0 for a while.

Pastor Ken Sharpe
Flowing River Fellowship
Level Cross, NC

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <lophophoras2002@...>
wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
> water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
> check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
> solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.
>
> None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
> all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
> should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25215 From: diane none Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Ray, i have a 35 gal. tank. I have about 30 guppies, and 4 or 5 mollies, and a placo. which he is about 8 or 9 inches long. Is there room for the clown loaches? Do i find them in most pet stores that carry fish? Thanks Diane

Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Diane, From your further posts, and your description in noting snail
eggs within the water column and not above the surface line, I'd have
to think these snails are of the smaller varieties, most probably
either Pond or Ramshorn Snails. As such, depending on your tank size,
its present stocking density and your propensity for adding additional
fish with your Guppies and Mollies if these above conditions warrant
it -- and your fondness (or lack of) members of the Botia Family, you
might want to consider adding a couple of Clown Loaches which will
relish these snails and make short work of them. Be advised though,
that these Loaches can get upwards of 12" or so, but they grow rather
slowly (probably as nearly to many years as it is to reach this 12"
size). As they approach getting too large for your tank, you could
always trade them back to any cooperative LFS. Since they do prefer
the company of conspecifics, they do better in this situation rather
than by themselves. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being
> over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
Thanks
> Diane
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25216 From: bmp Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
I'm with you Robert, that is why I have what some
people would call too many of them in two of my tanks.
I do not really want that many and in fact having none
would be okay but I don't have the heart to just wipe
them all out either. So I try to be tolerant and
appreciate what they do and reduce the population only
somewhat.

Beverly

--- Robert <rroobbeerrtt@...> wrote:

> Its bad karma to kill so many snails
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Szabo
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:48 PM
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of
> snails?
>
>
> There are a number of ways to accomplish this.


Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25217 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Snails are a natural part of our ecosystem so having a few of them in your
tank is no big deal to me. They are actually a good thing as they will help
with eating algae, missed food, etc. They are part of natures clean up
crew. Having too many means you have too much food for them. They are
opportunistic breeders and will only breed excessively if there is lots of
food available for them. We need to figure out what you are doing wrong so
you can eliminate their food source and then they will quit breeding so much
and die off to non-intrusive levels.

Tell us more about your tank, stocking, feeding schedule, filter system(s)
and maintenance schedule, tank maintenance schedule for PWC's and gravel
vacuuming, etc.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ToPaSiO D.V.
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 12:31 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of snails?

How many snails do you have???

I was wondering something, since I don't know hardly anything about snails,
are snails really bad to live with fishes????

Darlene!!!



Diane <diane_20007@... <mailto:diane_20007%40yahoo.com> > wrote: Hi. I
have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being over run with
snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them? Thanks Diane

"I count my Blessings"


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25218 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
What about restaurants that sell lots of escargot?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:43 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of snails?

Its bad karma to kill so many snails
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Szabo
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of snails?

There are a number of ways to accomplish this. First, the guppies may do a
job on the snails if they are not too well fed. Failing that, anchor some
lettuce at the bottom of the tank, or on one of the sides overnight and
remove, with snails, in the morning. You can squish them against the glass
and leave the remains for your fish. I am sure others will chime in with
hteir suggestions, as soon as they shake off the hangover from tonight <g>.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Diane
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:40 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of snails?

Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being over run
with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them? Thanks Diane


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25219 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Bare tank bottoms are not a bad thing. You get to see all the stuff that ends up on the bottom, so you have a much better idea of what will be in your substrate when you add it.

When you do get around to adding the gravel, rinse it very well to ensure you get any dirt and detritus that may be in the gravel before you add it to your tank. It would be up to you whether you remove the current tank décor prior to adding the gravel. I would probably leave it in and work around it, but you may have to do some moving around of it.

Do a partial water change, but do not replace the water until you are done with the substrate addition. You might want to make it a larger water change than normal to give you a lower water level to work with, and the addition of the substrate will raise it anyhow. When you are done, add the fresh water to the tank to your normal level.

Find yourself a tank partition. It could be an official tank partition sold in stores or online, or something you rig up yourself. The purpose is to keep your critters confined to one side of the tank while you work in the other. I learned this lesson way back when I was still a youngin' and William T. Innes was still alive and putting out new editions of his book _Exotic Aquarium Fishes_ when I was adding marbles to a tank of goldfish. I managed to conk one of them on the head and killed him. My mom still brings up the story on occasion when she knows there are other fish people present in our company.

Once you have one side complete, move the critters to the completed side of the tank, partition them off again, and complete your work. Once you have finished the whole tank, remove the partition, and let the fish explore their recently renovated home.

A gravel cleaner is a wider diameter tube connected to a smaller diameter hose. Depending on your flow rate, it will cause the gravel to be lifted into the tube to a certain extent, and remove the detritus that has accumulated since you last did a cleaning. Depending on the size of the tank, I'll do one half to one quarter of the substrate during any particular water change.

Amquel was a good product, but since the inventor of Amquel and Kordon split some time ago, the formulation has changed. You might want to consider using Ultimate, formulated by the same fellow and marketed by Hikari USA.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:37 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water changes

Thanks Steve!

In all honesty I do not have gravel in my tank at the moment. I do
have large rock formations and drift wood but no substrate. I have
been meaning to add small gravel (have even purchased a bunch) but
haven't put any in for fear of disturbing the fish. I guess it is
time to get that done right? LOL...

I do run a five gallon bucket of water from the tap usually two days
before doing my water change. I usually treat the water with Amquel+
because I was under the impression it helped with clorine removal.
When I use my pump to drain the tank, I drain it into another five
gallon bucket. I then use the pump and treated water from the clean
water bucket to replace the exact amount of water that I removed.

I guess I will need to purchase a gravel vaccume in order to start
doing a better job of maintanence. I have quite a few different
species of snails, clams, and mussels. I have always figured they
would keep the rocks clean, so I never put much thought into
extensive cleaning.

Can you recommend a good gravel cleaner?

Thank you.

Kevin


>
> How the water gets changed is pretty immaterial. You do, however
need to
> also clean the gravel. The best time to do this task is when you are
> changing water, and the best method is to use a gravel vacuum. I
don't
> know if this is being done by your admission of not wanting to
disturb
> the habitat. Detritus trapped in the gravel will eventually rot
causing
> various possible problems with your tank, such as anaerobic areas,
the
> creation of hydrogen sulfide, and the growth of fungus, etc.
>
> You also do not mention whether or how you treat the incoming
water. You
> may well be in the minority with a good private supply of water, but
> most of us need to remove chlorine, at least, chloramines and other
> substances at the worst. There are many methods that can accomplish
> these tasks, inside and outside the tank.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water changes
>
> William,
>
> I usually use as small water pump to remove the water from my tank
> during PWC. I figured it would cause less stress of my fish. I also
> use the same water pump to slowly put the fresh water back into my
> tank. Does this even make a difference? LOL..or am I being too anal
> about water changes?
>
> I try my very best not to disturb their habitat as much as posible.
>
> Thanks!
>
> >
> > I have only been in this hobby for a little over 55 years (yes 55
> > years) and the more that i get to know about fish the more that I
> get
> > to know that I don't know about them. I am a firm believer in
> doing
> > smaller but much more frequent partial water changes which will
> cause
> > a smaller change in water parameters but also will get rid of
> > unwanted and unhealthy things in the water. I belong to a couple
> of
> > local aquarium clubs and when some of the people come over to
look
> at
> > my fish that cannot believe how fast some of my fish have grown.
> Also
> > if you do frequent water changes you can even do larger ones
> because
> > the water quality will not be that different for the tap water
> (minus
> > the chlorine and chloramine and heavy metals that you should be
> > treating for with a water change)
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> > <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with you Joe T.
> > >
> > > The problem lies in that these posts go out to thousands of
> members
> > who may
> > > not read an entire thread and if they simply read the bad
advice
> > from
> > > somebody that is posted in a reputable group, they may take
that
> > info as
> > > reputable so it's a good idea for one or more members to offer
> > contradicting
> > > advice or opinions when something is posted that may not be the
> > best thing.
> > >
> > > And thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Steve
> Szabo.
> > Much of
> > > what I have learned came from reading his replies over the
> years.
> > >
> > > Happy New Year everybody!!!
> > >
> > > Lenny Vasbinder
> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of joe t
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:04 AM
> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
> changes
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter to me whether my analogy was very good or
not.
> > The only
> > > point I was trying to make was that you have to do PWCs no
> matter
> > how good
> > > you think your filter system is.
> > >
> > > I been keeping fish for more years than I care to remember, but
> I'm
> > not good
> > > with the fancy words. I leave that explaining up to Lenny and
> Steve
> > (Szabo).
> > > They're good at it and I agree with almost everything they say.
> > >
> > > This go around, I think, smacks of some chap we had here a few
> > months back.
> > > It's making me wonder if he came back with a different name. I
> > don't know
> > > what this steve is trying to prove with all this nit picking
> about
> > changing
> > > a 1/2 gallon of water as opposed to a gallon, etc. but it sure
> > sounds like a
> > > lot of nonsense to me.
> > >
> > > That's all I intend to say on this subject no matter what
> replies I
> > may get.
> > >
> > >
> > > joe t
> > >
> > >
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> >
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25220 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
"...After the plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be
adding fish..."

Hi Helen,

I'm not sure if you picked up the "cycled" term from online study or from
your LFS or nursery but in the aquarium world, "cycled" refers to the
nitrogen cycle (ammonia > nitrite > nitrate) which happens naturally in all
aquariums from the fish putting out ammonia (urine and gill function) and
then the good natural nitrifying bacteria that convert the ammonia to
nitrates. Nitrates are a good food source for your proposed plants. I just
want to nip that in the bud right away so you won't call your tank "cycled"
when it's not. Now once you add fish, if you have enough plants to eat up
all the ammonia from the fish, then your tank will never cycle... and it
won't need to since the plants may handle all of the fish waste.

You can read up more about the nitrogen cycle if you go to my blog. I have
a page called "A to Z of fish keeping" which starts off with information
about the nitrogen cycle and I have links to two different online tutorials
which go through the entire process of keeping fish, which are good for
beginners and experts alike (to be refreshed as needed).

You may not want to put the tank by that big sunny window as natural
sunlight will increase the likelihood of algae.

Here's some pages of very easy and easy aquarium plants to start off with so
you don't have to worry as much about CO2 injection, fertilizers, expensive
lighting, etc... and you can also find info about the various substrates for
planted tanks.

http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=2

http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=3

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:27 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Substrate question - planted tanks

Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)

I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past what to put on
the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more confusing it gets. I'm
doing a cool water set up, making it easy on myself and planning on buying a
collection of plants already put together by the nursery (I'll add to later
as I become more confident in how to choose plants -- but starting out with
a 150 gallon tank, the initial planting can be an expert's collection.)
After the plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding
fish (cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a heater,
which is probably good because in winter especially my house gets a little
chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to, as
well as adding grow lights for the plants, especially in winter when no
window in this house gets any light! I haven't checked out the filter system
that comes w/ the set up yet (buying used), but will add to as necessary.

Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate or another
would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice -- this is really
new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted tank so much more than a
"regular" tank, even though it is a good deal more expensive to set up.
We're taking it in stages and I'm learning the value of patience ;)

Thanks!
Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25221 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Hi Kevin,

Depending on the size of your tank, a Python water change system is the
thing I would recommend. Of course, if you only have a 10G or 20G tank,
then it may not be as helpful, unless you have several tanks. If you only
have a single smaller tank (10G to 30G), then a simple $5-$10 gravel vacuum,
available at most pet stores, will work fine. I have a recent blog on how
to start up a manual gravel vacuum so you don't have to suck on the hose to
get it started. If you go with the Python, your water faucet provides the
suction and then you would refill the tank using the same hose from the
faucet.

While it's not a bad thing to let your tap water sit for a day or two, it's
not a necessary thing either.. if you want to get out of having the 5G
buckets sitting around.

You don't need to use an expensive product like Amquel either. A simple
dechlor product that treats for chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals would
work fine. I use API's Tap Water Conditioner which only treats for those
basic things and it's very concentrated so 1ml treats 5G of water. I buy
the 16 oz size for under $10.00 online or at my local PetsMart by bringing
in their online page.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:37 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water changes

Thanks Steve!

In all honesty I do not have gravel in my tank at the moment. I do have
large rock formations and drift wood but no substrate. I have been meaning
to add small gravel (have even purchased a bunch) but haven't put any in for
fear of disturbing the fish. I guess it is time to get that done right?
LOL...

I do run a five gallon bucket of water from the tap usually two days before
doing my water change. I usually treat the water with Amquel+ because I was
under the impression it helped with clorine removal.
When I use my pump to drain the tank, I drain it into another five gallon
bucket. I then use the pump and treated water from the clean water bucket to
replace the exact amount of water that I removed.

I guess I will need to purchase a gravel vaccume in order to start doing a
better job of maintanence. I have quite a few different species of snails,
clams, and mussels. I have always figured they would keep the rocks clean,
so I never put much thought into extensive cleaning.

Can you recommend a good gravel cleaner?

Thank you.

Kevin

>
> How the water gets changed is pretty immaterial. You do, however
need to
> also clean the gravel. The best time to do this task is when you are
> changing water, and the best method is to use a gravel vacuum. I
don't
> know if this is being done by your admission of not wanting to
disturb
> the habitat. Detritus trapped in the gravel will eventually rot
causing
> various possible problems with your tank, such as anaerobic areas,
the
> creation of hydrogen sulfide, and the growth of fungus, etc.
>
> You also do not mention whether or how you treat the incoming
water. You
> may well be in the minority with a good private supply of water, but
> most of us need to remove chlorine, at least, chloramines and other
> substances at the worst. There are many methods that can accomplish
> these tasks, inside and outside the tank.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water changes
>
> William,
>
> I usually use as small water pump to remove the water from my tank
> during PWC. I figured it would cause less stress of my fish. I also
> use the same water pump to slowly put the fresh water back into my
> tank. Does this even make a difference? LOL..or am I being too anal
> about water changes?
>
> I try my very best not to disturb their habitat as much as posible.
>
> Thanks!
>
> >
> > I have only been in this hobby for a little over 55 years (yes 55
> > years) and the more that i get to know about fish the more that I
> get
> > to know that I don't know about them. I am a firm believer in
> doing
> > smaller but much more frequent partial water changes which will
> cause
> > a smaller change in water parameters but also will get rid of
> > unwanted and unhealthy things in the water. I belong to a couple
> of
> > local aquarium clubs and when some of the people come over to
look
> at
> > my fish that cannot believe how fast some of my fish have grown.
> Also
> > if you do frequent water changes you can even do larger ones
> because
> > the water quality will not be that different for the tap water
> (minus
> > the chlorine and chloramine and heavy metals that you should be
> > treating for with a water change)
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> > <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree with you Joe T.
> > >
> > > The problem lies in that these posts go out to thousands of
> members
> > who may
> > > not read an entire thread and if they simply read the bad
advice
> > from
> > > somebody that is posted in a reputable group, they may take
that
> > info as
> > > reputable so it's a good idea for one or more members to offer
> > contradicting
> > > advice or opinions when something is posted that may not be the
> > best thing.
> > >
> > > And thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Steve
> Szabo.
> > Much of
> > > what I have learned came from reading his replies over the
> years.
> > >
> > > Happy New Year everybody!!!
> > >
> > > Lenny Vasbinder
> > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > Behalf Of joe t
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:04 AM
> > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
> changes
> > >
> > > It doesn't matter to me whether my analogy was very good or
not.
> > The only
> > > point I was trying to make was that you have to do PWCs no
> matter
> > how good
> > > you think your filter system is.
> > >
> > > I been keeping fish for more years than I care to remember, but
> I'm
> > not good
> > > with the fancy words. I leave that explaining up to Lenny and
> Steve
> > (Szabo).
> > > They're good at it and I agree with almost everything they say.
> > >
> > > This go around, I think, smacks of some chap we had here a few
> > months back.
> > > It's making me wonder if he came back with a different name. I
> > don't know
> > > what this steve is trying to prove with all this nit picking
> about
> > changing
> > > a 1/2 gallon of water as opposed to a gallon, etc. but it sure
> > sounds like a
> > > lot of nonsense to me.
> > >
> > > That's all I intend to say on this subject no matter what
> replies I
> > may get.
> > >
> > >
> > > joe t
> > >

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25222 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
What is your tap/source water baseline? Go to my blog and I have a recent
article on establishing your baseline. Scroll down for the link on the
right side and run the baseline tests and give us your test results.

Do not fall into the trap of using bottled chemicals to try and adjust pH
issues. There are natural ways to do it but first lets find out why you are
having them.

Depending on your fish species, some fish like ONLY low pH water and other
like ONLY high pH water and most others like a pH in the 7's.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:41 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] PH Control

Guys,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my water
to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I check it
multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up solution that I
have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.

None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at all -
but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I should worry
about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25223 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Pastor Ken,

It's best to find out what is going on with the water and figure out natural
ways to adjust the pH, if needed, rather than going the bottled chemical
route.

Most of the time, when someone is asking questions about their pH, it's a
perfectly normal and suitable pH level but they simply got bad advice about
getting the pH at an exact level when the fish can easily acclimate to a
wider range of pH without the need for added chemicals, which are not so
good for the fish. If we were to buy and use every bottled solution
available, we'd turn our tanks into EPA superfund sites.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ken Sharpe
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:35 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: PH Control

Kevin,
I highly recommend using Wardley's Bullseye 7.0. I have used this with
tremendous success for ages. Use this per instructions and it holds the ph
in check at 7.0 for a while.

Pastor Ken Sharpe
Flowing River Fellowship
Level Cross, NC

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Kevin" <lophophoras2002@...>
wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
> water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
> check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
> solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.
>
> None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
> all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
> should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin
>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25224 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Diane,

Do not even think about adding more fish to your tank. You are way
overstocked already.

The pleco needs a 75G minimum sized tank by itself.

That is why you are having algae and snail issues. An overstocked tank will
cause excess detritus and nitrogenous waste issues which result in algae
growing. Then the snails will feed on the algae and start breeding. Then
you buy an algae eater, like a pleco, which works fine when they are small
but then they start putting out even more waste which causes more
nitrogenous waste problems but then you don't have the algae to help suck up
the nitrates so you start having water quality issues.

My point is, buying a fish to solve a problem is not the solution. First
you must solve the problem and only buy a fish that you like and want and
fits in your tank setup.

Ask your LFS if they will trade in your pleco and give you store credit for
future purchases of things you might need. I recently traded in my 10"
pleco and go a $25.00 store credit for the big guy. I rescued him from a
10G tank and he spent about two years in my 65G tank growing from 4" to 10"
but then he was getting too big for my 65G tank. I had plans for a much
larger tank but hurricane Katrina changed my plans which is why I had to
rehome the big guy. He's now living in a 200G+ tank where he can finish
growing to his full potential of up to 18"+.

Some LFS even have programs where they will sell you a juvenile pleco, to
help with tank cleaning, with plans on you trading them in every 6-12 months
for a new smaller one. This allows them to have a constant supply of BIGGER
plecos for people with cichlid tanks or big tanks that want to start off
with big fish.

For a 35G tank that is already fully stocked with the guppies and mollies,
you could probably manage a juvenile pleco but once they get to the 4" to 5"
mark, it's time to trade them in so they can get into a proper sized tank so
they do not suffer from stunting issues.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of diane none
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:47 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: how do i get rid of snails?

Ray, i have a 35 gal. tank. I have about 30 guppies, and 4 or 5 mollies, and
a placo. which he is about 8 or 9 inches long. Is there room for the clown
loaches? Do i find them in most pet stores that carry fish? Thanks Diane

Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...
<mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.com> > wrote: Diane, From your further
posts, and your description in noting snail eggs within the water column and
not above the surface line, I'd have to think these snails are of the
smaller varieties, most probably either Pond or Ramshorn Snails. As such,
depending on your tank size, its present stocking density and your
propensity for adding additional fish with your Guppies and Mollies if these
above conditions warrant it -- and your fondness (or lack of) members of the
Botia Family, you might want to consider adding a couple of Clown Loaches
which will relish these snails and make short work of them. Be advised
though, that these Loaches can get upwards of 12" or so, but they grow
rather slowly (probably as nearly to many years as it is to reach this 12"
size). As they approach getting too large for your tank, you could always
trade them back to any cooperative LFS. Since they do prefer the company of
conspecifics, they do better in this situation rather than by themselves.
Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Diane" <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is being
> over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
Thanks
> Diane
>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25225 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Generally, one is best advised not to mess with pH in an aquarium
setting, though there are reams of articles and brochures about this
topic, most of which tell one how to do so. Once you attempt this
maneuver, you need to continually endeavor to maintain the pH level you
believe is correct for your fish. Truth is that most of the published pH
information of the water the fish originate in is erroneous. Also, since
more and more fish available to hobbyists are "farmed" rather than being
wild caught, and are raised in water whose pH may or may not have
anything to do with what they experience in the wild, pH is not much of
an issue.

It was once believed that fish could not exist in water that had a pH of
less than 5.5, but _Mikrogeophagus ramirezi_, commonly known as the
Blue Ram or just Ram, has been found in waters with a pH of less than
5.0.

If you are still concerned about your pH level, first try another test
kit. Get one that has an expiration date on the reagents to ensure that
the reagents are still good when you use them. The best test kit, for
several reasons, that I have used is the AquaTru distributed by Kordon.
If the pH still seems to be low, then you can do something about it, if
you must. Probably the best solution would be to use dolomite mixed into
your substrate. This will gradually increase your pH and help maintain
it. The rise in pH should be gradual so that your fish do not suffer pH
shock by a rapid change in pH.

If the pH keeps rising once you have reached your target, then you will
need to remove some of the mixed substrate and replace it with some that
has no dolomite in it until you reach a level where the pH is maintained
at or near your desired level.

For others reading this, increasing pH can be acceptable, if it is
really needed, but, under no circumstances, should you attempt to lower
your pH. All water has a buffer to maintain pH which is measured by a
unit known as alkalinity. This term should not be mistaken for the pH
term alkaline (which is really better described by the term base) as
they have entirely different meanings. To lower pH, you must "break"
this buffer to get the pH down. Once this buffer has been broken, you
may have absolutely no control over the level the pH may settle out at
and you may suffer from what is termed a pH crash, which may make your
water unsuitable for supporting any life at all. This is actually the
same problem Kevin seems to be suffering from, but in reverse. However,
when raising the pH, the results are never as dramatic as they can be
when lowering pH.

The best thing to do is to keep fish that are suited to the chemistry of
your water. A hard lesson to learn, I know, but one that should be
learned.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:41 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] PH Control

Guys,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.

None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25226 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
I should add, real quick, that pH is ALWAYS lower case p upper case H, even when used to start a sentence. Hence, technically, the subject line is wrong.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:55 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] PH Control

Generally, one is best advised not to mess with pH in an aquarium
setting, though there are reams of articles and brochures about this
topic, most of which tell one how to do so. Once you attempt this
maneuver, you need to continually endeavor to maintain the pH level you
believe is correct for your fish. Truth is that most of the published pH
information of the water the fish originate in is erroneous. Also, since
more and more fish available to hobbyists are "farmed" rather than being
wild caught, and are raised in water whose pH may or may not have
anything to do with what they experience in the wild, pH is not much of
an issue.

It was once believed that fish could not exist in water that had a pH of
less than 5.5, but _Mikrogeophagus ramirezi_, commonly known as the
Blue Ram or just Ram, has been found in waters with a pH of less than
5.0.

If you are still concerned about your pH level, first try another test
kit. Get one that has an expiration date on the reagents to ensure that
the reagents are still good when you use them. The best test kit, for
several reasons, that I have used is the AquaTru distributed by Kordon.
If the pH still seems to be low, then you can do something about it, if
you must. Probably the best solution would be to use dolomite mixed into
your substrate. This will gradually increase your pH and help maintain
it. The rise in pH should be gradual so that your fish do not suffer pH
shock by a rapid change in pH.

If the pH keeps rising once you have reached your target, then you will
need to remove some of the mixed substrate and replace it with some that
has no dolomite in it until you reach a level where the pH is maintained
at or near your desired level.

For others reading this, increasing pH can be acceptable, if it is
really needed, but, under no circumstances, should you attempt to lower
your pH. All water has a buffer to maintain pH which is measured by a
unit known as alkalinity. This term should not be mistaken for the pH
term alkaline (which is really better described by the term base) as
they have entirely different meanings. To lower pH, you must "break"
this buffer to get the pH down. Once this buffer has been broken, you
may have absolutely no control over the level the pH may settle out at
and you may suffer from what is termed a pH crash, which may make your
water unsuitable for supporting any life at all. This is actually the
same problem Kevin seems to be suffering from, but in reverse. However,
when raising the pH, the results are never as dramatic as they can be
when lowering pH.

The best thing to do is to keep fish that are suited to the chemistry of
your water. A hard lesson to learn, I know, but one that should be
learned.

\\Steve//


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On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:41 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] PH Control

Guys,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.

None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25227 From: Diane Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
I have a 35 gal. tank. as i had said in a earlier e-mail, i have about
30 guppies, about 5 or 6 mollies, a pluco,about 8 inches long, and i
think the other is called a banjo pluco. I feed my fish in the
morning, a little tropical flakes, and 2 algee dics, i leave the light
on all day (as told by the pet store). At night i feed them same amout
again, then turn the light off until morning. I never completely
change the water, i will take about 5 gals. out once a month and clean
the gravels with the hose in the draining process. every couple months
i will take the decorations out of the tank and wash them with hot
water. I like plants, so i have alot of artifical plants in my tank
and i notice the snails on them alot, so them i take out and rinse off
with hot water mote often to try and keep the eggs rinsed off. Beside
just simply catching snails and trying to keep down the population that
way, i wasnt sure what else to do. I plan to try the lettuce though
and getting clown loaches. Thanks for all your help. Diane
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25228 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
Hi Diane,
Snails usually come in from live plants unless you put them in yourself.
Snails are a plus if you ask me and at one time I had babies to watch.
They help clean the tank walls and take up little room. I don't
get people having to remove them all the time- they want to live too.
Eventually, they will die off I have found. I do not have any 10 year
old snails in my tanks.

Best regards,

Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago
(708)334-2260
Past Teac/Tascam Service Technician still doing repairs.

Diane wrote:
>
> I have a 35 gal. tank. as i had said in a earlier e-mail, i have about
> 30 guppies, about 5 or 6 mollies, a pluco,about 8 inches long, and i
> think the other is called a banjo pluco. I feed my fish in the
> morning, a little tropical flakes, and 2 algee dics, i leave the light
> on all day (as told by the pet store). At night i feed them same amout
> again, then turn the light off until morning. I never completely
> change the water, i will take about 5 gals. out once a month and clean
> the gravels with the hose in the draining process. every couple months
> i will take the decorations out of the tank and wash them with hot
> water. I like plants, so i have alot of artifical plants in my tank
> and i notice the snails on them alot, so them i take out and rinse off
> with hot water mote often to try and keep the eggs rinsed off. Beside
> just simply catching snails and trying to keep down the population that
> way, i wasnt sure what else to do. I plan to try the lettuce though
> and getting clown loaches. Thanks for all your help. Diane
>
>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25229 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
OK.. you should have gotten my earlier reply by now about your tank being
overstocked. DO NOT get clown loaches. Use the lettuce and manual removal
to get rid of your snails.

You are also not doing enough PWC's. 5G once a month is not nearly enough
PWC's for your tank considering it's overstocked status. In fact, 5G once a
month wouldn't be enough even if you weren't overstocked. You should be
doing at least 25% a week or maybe twice a week, depending on your water
quality test results. 25% of a 35G would be close to 10G so 10G a week or
two 5G changes a week would be the bare minimum that I would do in your
current situation. If you rehome the pleco, then you could get it down to
weekly 5G to 10G PWC's.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:54 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them

I have a 35 gal. tank. as i had said in a earlier e-mail, i have about 30
guppies, about 5 or 6 mollies, a pluco,about 8 inches long, and i think the
other is called a banjo pluco. I feed my fish in the morning, a little
tropical flakes, and 2 algee dics, i leave the light on all day (as told by
the pet store). At night i feed them same amout again, then turn the light
off until morning. I never completely change the water, i will take about 5
gals. out once a month and clean the gravels with the hose in the draining
process. every couple months i will take the decorations out of the tank and
wash them with hot water. I like plants, so i have alot of artifical plants
in my tank and i notice the snails on them alot, so them i take out and
rinse off with hot water mote often to try and keep the eggs rinsed off.
Beside just simply catching snails and trying to keep down the population
that way, i wasnt sure what else to do. I plan to try the lettuce though and
getting clown loaches. Thanks for all your help. Diane


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25230 From: William Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
After the plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll
be adding fish (cool water species, obviously

A tank cannot cycle unless there is a source of ammonia for the
bacteria to live on and without fish there will not be a source
unless you add it from some other means.

I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to, as
well as adding grow lights for the plants
That is not a good place to put a tank because in the summer
when the sun does shine in it will give enough light so that algae
will have a chance to take over the tan and also the temp difference
could change the temp of the tank so that the fish will become
stressed and with stress the resistance to diseases will be lowered.
Granted a large tank like you have may not be affected too much there
is always the possibility that trouble could happen.
although the tank does have a heater, which is probably good
because in winter especially my house gets a little chilly.)
It would be best to have two or more heaters so that if one goes
out (does not heat) then the other(s) will keep the tank from going
down too fast or if one heater sticks on then it will not be able
give you broiled fish.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)
>
> I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past what
to put on the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more
confusing it gets. I'm doing a cool water set up, making it easy on
myself and planning on buying a collection of plants already put
together by the nursery (I'll add to later as I become more confident
in how to choose plants -- but starting out with a 150 gallon tank,
the initial planting can be an expert's collection.) After the
plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding fish
(cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a
heater, which is probably good because in winter especially my house
gets a little chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put the
tank up next to, as well as adding grow lights for the plants,
especially in winter when no window in this house gets any light! I
haven't checked out the filter system that comes w/ the set up yet
(buying used), but will add to as necessary.
>
> Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate or
another would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice --
this is really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted
tank so much more than a "regular" tank, even though it is a good
deal more expensive to set up. We're taking it in stages and I'm
learning the value of patience ;)
>
> Thanks!
> Helen
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25231 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
Diane, Okay -- this info tells me a bit more about your situation,
and is helpful. With a Pleco of this size, in addition to your other
fish, you are overstocked now, or at least maxed out. With this
present bioload, you just have no more room in your 35 gallon tank to
be able to add any Clown Loaches. I would gather also, that the
Guppies are most probably of mixed sexes and not all of the smaller
sex (males).

As for the Pleco, while I'm assuming that he was probably bought at a
nominal price along with your other "regularly priced" community
fish, I am also then assuming that this is a common Pleco (Hypostomus
plecostomus, H. punctatus, Liposarcus multiradiatus) which will
easily get to well over 12", usually averaging about 18" (and
occassionally up to 22"). While they can reach 24", this will not
happen in your tank, but now being made aware of his potential size,
you may want to re-think any previous plans about keeping him.

With "thinning the herd" of Guppies a bit, and keeping tabs on their
inevitable multiplication, you may be able to add a couple Clown
Loaches after trading in the Pleco, barring any further bioload
increase. Aside from that, you may want to resort to the old trick
of placing a piece of lettuce in the tank overnight for the snails to
gather on, to make it easier for you to dispose of them -- which
often, but not always works successfully. One caveat here is that
the Pleco may take a liking to the lettuce as a new found food.

With a population explosion of snails such as you're having, there is
usually some element that causes such a situation to arise. Off-hand
I might conclude that there is an excess of food in their tank, but
unless you're seriously overfeeding, the Pleco's appetite should
preclude that. Snails are not all that bad -- to the contrary --
they help maintain a cleaner aquarium and can be desireable in some
cases, provided they don't overpopulate.

There are products (additives) on the market to rid you of snails,
some of which work, but I do not like using them, nor would I like to
recommend them. Some contain copper, a metal poisonous to all life
forms depending on the concentration, but even when used in smaller
amounts this metal can have an adverse effect on fishes' well being
when used in large enough concentrations to kill mollusks, even
though in lower doses its quite effective and safe in treating
certain diseases.

After outlining your situation, I would first try the lettuce a
number of sequential nights in hopes this will gather most of the
snails, before the Pleco discovers it as food. You will need to use
a fresh lettuce leaf each time, rather than allow the same leaf to
rot in your tank over time, and remove these pieces regularly. You
still may consider the other control of using Clown Loaches, often
found in many LFS's, if you can establish and maintain a proper
bioload. This WILL entail removal of the Pleco. Ray


---In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, diane none <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> Ray, i have a 35 gal. tank. I have about 30 guppies, and 4 or 5
mollies, and a placo. which he is about 8 or 9 inches long. Is there
room for the clown loaches? Do i find them in most pet stores that
carry fish? Thanks Diane


>
> Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Diane, From your
further posts, and your description in noting snail
> eggs within the water column and not above the surface line, I'd
have
> to think these snails are of the smaller varieties, most probably
> either Pond or Ramshorn Snails. As such, depending on your tank
size,
> its present stocking density and your propensity for adding
additional
> fish with your Guppies and Mollies if these above conditions
warrant
> it -- and your fondness (or lack of) members of the Botia Family,
you
> might want to consider adding a couple of Clown Loaches which will
> relish these snails and make short work of them. Be advised though,
> that these Loaches can get upwards of 12" or so, but they grow
rather
> slowly (probably as nearly to many years as it is to reach this 12"
> size). As they approach getting too large for your tank, you could
> always trade them back to any cooperative LFS. Since they do prefer
> the company of conspecifics, they do better in this situation
rather
> than by themselves. Ray
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is
being
> > over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
> Thanks
> > Diane
> >
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25232 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: snails.. i had asked about getting rid of them
"The other?" It appears you are now saying you have two Pleco's, one
8" - 9" one and Banjo Pleco(?), or some other catfish. This tank is
getting even more crowded than it was before. Would not be a good
idea to add any more at this stage of the game. It would seem best
to go with the lettuce method of removing the excess snails, unless
you seriously lighten the bioload if you're still considering adding
Loaches.

In reading over your present post, its obvious that you are not
keeping up with the aquarium maintenance as needed, but then I see
where some of the other guys have already pointed this out. Changing
out 5 gallons of water once a month from a 35 gallon tank is not
nearly doing enough partial water changes for proper maintenance, nor
is cleaning the gravel every couple of months.

Proper maintenance entails changing out at least 10% of the water
weekly, possibly up to 25% or more (33%?), depending on the test
results of your water parameters, which you should be doing to enable
you to see what portion of water changing will be most effective to
keep up with the removal of your nitrates. Best results are had when
your gravel is vacuumed at a rate of 50% of the area every week or
so, as needed, alternating between sides of the tank each session.

Since you have only artificial plants, there's no need to have the
light on all day and into the evening. It sounds as if the lights
may be on about 12 hours, but I'm only going by trying to interprete
your description. Ray





--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 35 gal. tank. as i had said in a earlier e-mail, i have
about
> 30 guppies, about 5 or 6 mollies, a pluco,about 8 inches long, and
i
> think the other is called a banjo pluco. I feed my fish in the
> morning, a little tropical flakes, and 2 algee dics, i leave the
light
> on all day (as told by the pet store). At night i feed them same
amout
> again, then turn the light off until morning. I never completely
> change the water, i will take about 5 gals. out once a month and
clean
> the gravels with the hose in the draining process. every couple
months
> i will take the decorations out of the tank and wash them with hot
> water. I like plants, so i have alot of artifical plants in my
tank
> and i notice the snails on them alot, so them i take out and rinse
off
> with hot water mote often to try and keep the eggs rinsed off.
Beside
> just simply catching snails and trying to keep down the population
that
> way, i wasnt sure what else to do. I plan to try the lettuce
though
> and getting clown loaches. Thanks for all your help. Diane
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25233 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
I have been doing some reading on fish-less cycling... something about buying fish expecting them to die bothers me... I don't want to kill anything unnecessarily and if it lives, then what? (I didn't actually do this when we got my daughter a 20 gallon tank for her birthday a few years ago and her fish did all right -- in my own childhood I had bettas and didn't know about such a thing as cycling, so naturally, I didn't do it.) Anyway - I definitely didn't mean to use the wrong terms :) I just thought it was called cycling whether it was done w/ fish or w/o.

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25234 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Thanks again, Beverly! Not at all too much information... hearing which plants you've had that have done well under which conditions helps. Yeah, my husband just kinda shakes his head at me too ;)

As for the comment from another about heater/s... I'm just taking w/ comes w/ the tank, taking a look at it when it gets here and assessing the situation. For all I know it doesn't even work... will have to see. For the price, I'm not complaining. Tank, stand and hood were all I was looking for - will very probably get new filters even though tank comes w/ -- unless I'm really lucky and they're really good... but I'm looking at fish that produce bunches of amonia, so, I'm not really counting on NOT having get new filters.

Unfortunately (or not, IMHO) the spot in front of my window is the only spot in this room for a six foot tank, so in the front window it will go. It's a Western exposure, evening summer sun is glorious - winter not so much so, but nice ambient light. I did the battle of the algae in my pond... it didn't matter how much water lettuce I put in, it was never shaded enough, so yeah, been there... will cope w/ it as it comes. We had algae in my daughter's tank like crazy just from a regular for illumination only light bulb. I got a plecco. The fish killed and ate it. I wouldn't necessarily accuse the fish, but it happened twice. Fish now lives alone (rainbow shark.) The last time we bought him a plant to much on, we brought home a few snails as well - they've survived and cleaned up the tank quite nicely - I'm just not sure about snails with bigger fish. They might end up looking like food ;)

Thank you again for the advice - filing it all away for reference. We're picking up the tank on Sunday and I'll know for sure what I really need then.

Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25235 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
HI Lenny,

I am on the same page as you.

As I mentioned in a recent post, when I used to try and adjust my pH I used to kill a lot of fish. Now if I need a higher pH I use crushed coral in the tank or filter. If I think I need lower pH some driftwood or peat moss usually does the trick.
Other wise the other 20 tanks of fish just get acclimated to my tapwater.

Happy New year.

Mike



It's best to find out what is going on with the water and figure out natural
ays to adjust the pH, if needed, rather than going the bottled chemical
oute.
Most of the time, when someone is asking questions about their pH, it's a
erfectly normal and suitable pH level but they simply got bad advice about
etting the pH at an exact level when the fish can easily acclimate to a
ider range of pH without the need for added chemicals, which are not so
ood for the fish. If we were to buy and use every bottled solution
vailable, we'd turn our tanks into EPA superfund sites.




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From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 8:36 am
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: PH Control



Pastor Ken,
It's best to find out what is going on with the water and figure out natural
ays to adjust the pH, if needed, rather than going the bottled chemical
oute.
Most of the time, when someone is asking questions about their pH, it's a
erfectly normal and suitable pH level but they simply got bad advice about
etting the pH at an exact level when the fish can easily acclimate to a
ider range of pH without the need for added chemicals, which are not so
ood for the fish. If we were to buy and use every bottled solution
vailable, we'd turn our tanks into EPA superfund sites.
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rom: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
ehalf Of Ken Sharpe
ent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 9:35 AM
o: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
ubject: [AquaticLife] Re: PH Control
Kevin,
highly recommend using Wardley's Bullseye 7.0. I have used this with
remendous success for ages. Use this per instructions and it holds the ph
n check at 7.0 for a while.
Pastor Ken Sharpe
lowing River Fellowship
evel Cross, NC
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Kevin" <lophophoras2002@...>
rote:

Guys,

I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of my
water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately). I
check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH Up
solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any good.

None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss at
all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.

Kevin


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25236 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
One thing you can do, if you really need to place the tank in a window is to apply a background to the tank prior to placement. I'd suggest black facing into the tank, and a light color (to help reflect sunlight and heat facing the window.

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Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:31 PM
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Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Substrate question - planted tanks

Thanks again, Beverly! Not at all too much information... hearing which plants you've had that have done well under which conditions helps. Yeah, my husband just kinda shakes his head at me too ;)

As for the comment from another about heater/s... I'm just taking w/ comes w/ the tank, taking a look at it when it gets here and assessing the situation. For all I know it doesn't even work... will have to see. For the price, I'm not complaining. Tank, stand and hood were all I was looking for - will very probably get new filters even though tank comes w/ -- unless I'm really lucky and they're really good... but I'm looking at fish that produce bunches of amonia, so, I'm not really counting on NOT having get new filters.

Unfortunately (or not, IMHO) the spot in front of my window is the only spot in this room for a six foot tank, so in the front window it will go. It's a Western exposure, evening summer sun is glorious - winter not so much so, but nice ambient light. I did the battle of the algae in my pond... it didn't matter how much water lettuce I put in, it was never shaded enough, so yeah, been there... will cope w/ it as it comes. We had algae in my daughter's tank like crazy just from a regular for illumination only light bulb. I got a plecco. The fish killed and ate it. I wouldn't necessarily accuse the fish, but it happened twice. Fish now lives alone (rainbow shark.) The last time we bought him a plant to much on, we brought home a few snails as well - they've survived and cleaned up the tank quite nicely - I'm just not sure about snails with bigger fish. They might end up looking like food ;)

Thank you again for the advice - filing it all away for reference. We're picking up the tank on Sunday and I'll know for sure what I really need then.

Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25237 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Good idea -- and one I wouldn't have ever come up w/ on my own ...
thanks!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> One thing you can do, if you really need to place the tank in a
window is to apply a background to the tank prior to placement. I'd
suggest black facing into the tank, and a light color (to help
reflect sunlight and heat facing the window.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
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> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:31 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
>
> Thanks again, Beverly! Not at all too much information... hearing
which plants you've had that have done well under which conditions
helps. Yeah, my husband just kinda shakes his head at me too ;)
>
> As for the comment from another about heater/s... I'm just taking
w/ comes w/ the tank, taking a look at it when it gets here and
assessing the situation. For all I know it doesn't even work... will
have to see. For the price, I'm not complaining. Tank, stand and
hood were all I was looking for - will very probably get new filters
even though tank comes w/ -- unless I'm really lucky and they're
really good... but I'm looking at fish that produce bunches of
amonia, so, I'm not really counting on NOT having get new filters.
>
> Unfortunately (or not, IMHO) the spot in front of my window is
the only spot in this room for a six foot tank, so in the front
window it will go. It's a Western exposure, evening summer sun is
glorious - winter not so much so, but nice ambient light. I did the
battle of the algae in my pond... it didn't matter how much water
lettuce I put in, it was never shaded enough, so yeah, been there...
will cope w/ it as it comes. We had algae in my daughter's tank
like crazy just from a regular for illumination only light bulb. I
got a plecco. The fish killed and ate it. I wouldn't necessarily
accuse the fish, but it happened twice. Fish now lives alone
(rainbow shark.) The last time we bought him a plant to much on, we
brought home a few snails as well - they've survived and cleaned up
the tank quite nicely - I'm just not sure about snails with bigger
fish. They might end up looking like food ;)
>
> Thank you again for the advice - filing it all away for
reference. We're picking up the tank on Sunday and I'll know for
sure what I really need then.
>
> Helen
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25238 From: William Date: 1/1/2008
Subject: Re: how do i get rid of snails?
If the pleco eats the lettuce then get a narrow necked bottle that
you can put the lettuce in and that the pleco cannot fit in. You will
take the bottle out and dispose of the snails and replace the lettuce
with a fresh piece and put it back into the tank. do this each day
and also cut down on feeding your fish which is also feeding your
snails so that they are reproducing faster than you need. Make sure
to syphon the gravel so that you will get rid of uneaten food that
the snail eat but make sure to do the water changes with gravel
vacuuming on a weekly of twice a week schedule so that you can
control the snails better. You co not want to kill them all off at
once or you will have pollution from dead snails.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> There are a number of ways to accomplish this. First, the guppies
may do
> a job on the snails if they are not too well fed. Failing that,
anchor
> some lettuce at the bottom of the tank, or on one of the sides
overnight
> and remove, with snails, in the morning. You can squish them
against the
> glass and leave the remains for your fish. I am sure others will
chime
> in with hteir suggestions, as soon as they shake off the hangover
from
> tonight <g>.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Diane
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 11:40 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] how do i get rid of snails?
>
> Hi. I have a fresh water tank with guppies and mollies. It is
being
> over run with snails. Does anyone know how to get rid of them?
Thanks
> Diane
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25239 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Thanks Ken!

I'll have a look at my local Petco.

I apppreciate the help.

Kevin


<kensharpess454@...> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
> I highly recommend using Wardley's Bullseye 7.0. I have used this
with
> tremendous success for ages. Use this per instructions and it
holds
> the ph in check at 7.0 for a while.
>
> Pastor Ken Sharpe
> Flowing River Fellowship
> Level Cross, NC
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <lophophoras2002@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level
of my
> > water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes
lately). I
> > check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a
PH Up
> > solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any
good.
> >
> > None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish
loss at
> > all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something
I
> > should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25240 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Steve,

Thanks for taking time to answer my questions and offer advice.

Even though I have had tanks before, I am taking it much more
seriously now. And I am a complete amateur. So any advice from any
of you guys is welcome and greatly appreciated.

I am pretty sure I can come up with a 'gravel vacuum', some type of
siphon maybe. This should be a fairly simple task, especially since
I have not added any smaller stones yet.

I noticed partition nets at Petco the other day, that should help
keep the fish to one side of the tank while I work on the other.

At the moment I am working with a 50 gallon tank. But would like to
move up in size once I am more comfortable with the hobby. I think
it is always best to start out on a smaller scale and move up once
the comfort level and knowledge grows. But I can imagine that a nice
100 or 200 gallon tank would go well in my home office. I can dream
at least. LOL...

It's funny though. I am a cacti collector and enthusiast (have been
working with them for over 15 years). I have a little over 200 in my
collection. And now I am adding aquatics to my interest. Two
completely opposite interest but they both offer equal amazement.

Thanks again for your time and your advice.

Kevin


>
> Bare tank bottoms are not a bad thing. You get to see all the
stuff that ends up on the bottom, so you have a much better idea of
what will be in your substrate when you add it.
>
> When you do get around to adding the gravel, rinse it very well to
ensure you get any dirt and detritus that may be in the gravel
before you add it to your tank. It would be up to you whether you
remove the current tank décor prior to adding the gravel. I would
probably leave it in and work around it, but you may have to do some
moving around of it.
>
> Do a partial water change, but do not replace the water until you
are done with the substrate addition. You might want to make it a
larger water change than normal to give you a lower water level to
work with, and the addition of the substrate will raise it anyhow.
When you are done, add the fresh water to the tank to your normal
level.
>
> Find yourself a tank partition. It could be an official tank
partition sold in stores or online, or something you rig up
yourself. The purpose is to keep your critters confined to one side
of the tank while you work in the other. I learned this lesson way
back when I was still a youngin' and William T. Innes was still
alive and putting out new editions of his book _Exotic Aquarium
Fishes_ when I was adding marbles to a tank of goldfish. I managed
to conk one of them on the head and killed him. My mom still brings
up the story on occasion when she knows there are other fish people
present in our company.
>
> Once you have one side complete, move the critters to the
completed side of the tank, partition them off again, and complete
your work. Once you have finished the whole tank, remove the
partition, and let the fish explore their recently renovated home.
>
> A gravel cleaner is a wider diameter tube connected to a smaller
diameter hose. Depending on your flow rate, it will cause the gravel
to be lifted into the tube to a certain extent, and remove the
detritus that has accumulated since you last did a cleaning.
Depending on the size of the tank, I'll do one half to one quarter
of the substrate during any particular water change.
>
> Amquel was a good product, but since the inventor of Amquel and
Kordon split some time ago, the formulation has changed. You might
want to consider using Ultimate, formulated by the same fellow and
marketed by Hikari USA.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
changes
>
> Thanks Steve!
>
> In all honesty I do not have gravel in my tank at the moment. I do
> have large rock formations and drift wood but no substrate. I have
> been meaning to add small gravel (have even purchased a bunch) but
> haven't put any in for fear of disturbing the fish. I guess it is
> time to get that done right? LOL...
>
> I do run a five gallon bucket of water from the tap usually two
days
> before doing my water change. I usually treat the water with
Amquel+
> because I was under the impression it helped with clorine removal.
> When I use my pump to drain the tank, I drain it into another five
> gallon bucket. I then use the pump and treated water from the
clean
> water bucket to replace the exact amount of water that I removed.
>
> I guess I will need to purchase a gravel vaccume in order to start
> doing a better job of maintanence. I have quite a few different
> species of snails, clams, and mussels. I have always figured they
> would keep the rocks clean, so I never put much thought into
> extensive cleaning.
>
> Can you recommend a good gravel cleaner?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> >
> > How the water gets changed is pretty immaterial. You do, however
> need to
> > also clean the gravel. The best time to do this task is when you
are
> > changing water, and the best method is to use a gravel vacuum. I
> don't
> > know if this is being done by your admission of not wanting to
> disturb
> > the habitat. Detritus trapped in the gravel will eventually rot
> causing
> > various possible problems with your tank, such as anaerobic
areas,
> the
> > creation of hydrogen sulfide, and the growth of fungus, etc.
> >
> > You also do not mention whether or how you treat the incoming
> water. You
> > may well be in the minority with a good private supply of water,
but
> > most of us need to remove chlorine, at least, chloramines and
other
> > substances at the worst. There are many methods that can
accomplish
> > these tasks, inside and outside the tank.
> >
> > \\Steve//
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Kevin
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:26 PM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
changes
> >
> > William,
> >
> > I usually use as small water pump to remove the water from my
tank
> > during PWC. I figured it would cause less stress of my fish. I
also
> > use the same water pump to slowly put the fresh water back into
my
> > tank. Does this even make a difference? LOL..or am I being too
anal
> > about water changes?
> >
> > I try my very best not to disturb their habitat as much as
posible.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > >
> > > I have only been in this hobby for a little over 55 years (yes
55
> > > years) and the more that i get to know about fish the more
that I
> > get
> > > to know that I don't know about them. I am a firm believer in
> > doing
> > > smaller but much more frequent partial water changes which
will
> > cause
> > > a smaller change in water parameters but also will get rid of
> > > unwanted and unhealthy things in the water. I belong to a
couple
> > of
> > > local aquarium clubs and when some of the people come over to
> look
> > at
> > > my fish that cannot believe how fast some of my fish have
grown.
> > Also
> > > if you do frequent water changes you can even do larger ones
> > because
> > > the water quality will not be that different for the tap water
> > (minus
> > > the chlorine and chloramine and heavy metals that you should
be
> > > treating for with a water change)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> > > <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you Joe T.
> > > >
> > > > The problem lies in that these posts go out to thousands of
> > members
> > > who may
> > > > not read an entire thread and if they simply read the bad
> advice
> > > from
> > > > somebody that is posted in a reputable group, they may take
> that
> > > info as
> > > > reputable so it's a good idea for one or more members to
offer
> > > contradicting
> > > > advice or opinions when something is posted that may not be
the
> > > best thing.
> > > >
> > > > And thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Steve
> > Szabo.
> > > Much of
> > > > what I have learned came from reading his replies over the
> > years.
> > > >
> > > > Happy New Year everybody!!!
> > > >
> > > > Lenny Vasbinder
> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of joe t
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:04 AM
> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
> > changes
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't matter to me whether my analogy was very good or
> not.
> > > The only
> > > > point I was trying to make was that you have to do PWCs no
> > matter
> > > how good
> > > > you think your filter system is.
> > > >
> > > > I been keeping fish for more years than I care to remember,
but
> > I'm
> > > not good
> > > > with the fancy words. I leave that explaining up to Lenny
and
> > Steve
> > > (Szabo).
> > > > They're good at it and I agree with almost everything they
say.
> > > >
> > > > This go around, I think, smacks of some chap we had here a
few
> > > months back.
> > > > It's making me wonder if he came back with a different name.
I
> > > don't know
> > > > what this steve is trying to prove with all this nit picking
> > about
> > > changing
> > > > a 1/2 gallon of water as opposed to a gallon, etc. but it
sure
> > > sounds like a
> > > > lot of nonsense to me.
> > > >
> > > > That's all I intend to say on this subject no matter what
> > replies I
> > > may get.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > joe t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release
> > Date:
> > > 12/30/2007
> > > > 11:27 AM
> > > >
> > >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25241 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: first person who like doing water changes
Hello Lenny! Thank you!

My tank is just a 50 gallon, but I am looking to get another bigger
one soon.

LOL...I was planning on trying to siphon with a larger hose but the
thought of what may end up in my mouth made me a bit squeamish.

I am glad that I found this group. This is a virtual treasure trove
of information and you guys are all very helpful. My local pet store
(Petco) isn't very helpful at all. You bascially have to put a
person in a strangle hold just to get the only shoddy information
they think they know about. Not saying all stores are like that, but
the one I have to deal with just isn't a very good resource. Good
intentions but poor knowledge and most of the time they have very
little 'time' to deal with you.

I live about five minutes South of Memphis, TN. And I have plans on
visiting the caretaker of the Memphis Zoo's aquariums. They are
always beautiful and well maintained. It is always so relaxing to
visit them. So I am hoping to set up some time with them and get a
actual tour of behind the scenes.

Thanks again for your advice and help.

Kevin


>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Depending on the size of your tank, a Python water change system
is the
> thing I would recommend. Of course, if you only have a 10G or 20G
tank,
> then it may not be as helpful, unless you have several tanks. If
you only
> have a single smaller tank (10G to 30G), then a simple $5-$10
gravel vacuum,
> available at most pet stores, will work fine. I have a recent
blog on how
> to start up a manual gravel vacuum so you don't have to suck on
the hose to
> get it started. If you go with the Python, your water faucet
provides the
> suction and then you would refill the tank using the same hose
from the
> faucet.
>
> While it's not a bad thing to let your tap water sit for a day or
two, it's
> not a necessary thing either.. if you want to get out of having
the 5G
> buckets sitting around.
>
> You don't need to use an expensive product like Amquel either. A
simple
> dechlor product that treats for chlorine, chloramine and heavy
metals would
> work fine. I use API's Tap Water Conditioner which only treats
for those
> basic things and it's very concentrated so 1ml treats 5G of
water. I buy
> the 16 oz size for under $10.00 online or at my local PetsMart by
bringing
> in their online page.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 7:37 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
changes
>
> Thanks Steve!
>
> In all honesty I do not have gravel in my tank at the moment. I do
have
> large rock formations and drift wood but no substrate. I have been
meaning
> to add small gravel (have even purchased a bunch) but haven't put
any in for
> fear of disturbing the fish. I guess it is time to get that done
right?
> LOL...
>
> I do run a five gallon bucket of water from the tap usually two
days before
> doing my water change. I usually treat the water with Amquel+
because I was
> under the impression it helped with clorine removal.
> When I use my pump to drain the tank, I drain it into another five
gallon
> bucket. I then use the pump and treated water from the clean water
bucket to
> replace the exact amount of water that I removed.
>
> I guess I will need to purchase a gravel vaccume in order to start
doing a
> better job of maintanence. I have quite a few different species of
snails,
> clams, and mussels. I have always figured they would keep the
rocks clean,
> so I never put much thought into extensive cleaning.
>
> Can you recommend a good gravel cleaner?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kevin
>
> >
> > How the water gets changed is pretty immaterial. You do, however
> need to
> > also clean the gravel. The best time to do this task is when you
are
> > changing water, and the best method is to use a gravel vacuum. I
> don't
> > know if this is being done by your admission of not wanting to
> disturb
> > the habitat. Detritus trapped in the gravel will eventually rot
> causing
> > various possible problems with your tank, such as anaerobic
areas,
> the
> > creation of hydrogen sulfide, and the growth of fungus, etc.
> >
> > You also do not mention whether or how you treat the incoming
> water. You
> > may well be in the minority with a good private supply of water,
but
> > most of us need to remove chlorine, at least, chloramines and
other
> > substances at the worst. There are many methods that can
accomplish
> > these tasks, inside and outside the tank.
> >
> > \\Steve//
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf Of Kevin
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:26 PM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
changes
> >
> > William,
> >
> > I usually use as small water pump to remove the water from my
tank
> > during PWC. I figured it would cause less stress of my fish. I
also
> > use the same water pump to slowly put the fresh water back into
my
> > tank. Does this even make a difference? LOL..or am I being too
anal
> > about water changes?
> >
> > I try my very best not to disturb their habitat as much as
posible.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > >
> > > I have only been in this hobby for a little over 55 years (yes
55
> > > years) and the more that i get to know about fish the more
that I
> > get
> > > to know that I don't know about them. I am a firm believer in
> > doing
> > > smaller but much more frequent partial water changes which will
> > cause
> > > a smaller change in water parameters but also will get rid of
> > > unwanted and unhealthy things in the water. I belong to a
couple
> > of
> > > local aquarium clubs and when some of the people come over to
> look
> > at
> > > my fish that cannot believe how fast some of my fish have
grown.
> > Also
> > > if you do frequent water changes you can even do larger ones
> > because
> > > the water quality will not be that different for the tap water
> > (minus
> > > the chlorine and chloramine and heavy metals that you should
be
> > > treating for with a water change)
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> > > <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I agree with you Joe T.
> > > >
> > > > The problem lies in that these posts go out to thousands of
> > members
> > > who may
> > > > not read an entire thread and if they simply read the bad
> advice
> > > from
> > > > somebody that is posted in a reputable group, they may take
> that
> > > info as
> > > > reputable so it's a good idea for one or more members to
offer
> > > contradicting
> > > > advice or opinions when something is posted that may not be
the
> > > best thing.
> > > >
> > > > And thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as Steve
> > Szabo.
> > > Much of
> > > > what I have learned came from reading his replies over the
> > years.
> > > >
> > > > Happy New Year everybody!!!
> > > >
> > > > Lenny Vasbinder
> > > > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > > > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > > Behalf Of joe t
> > > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:04 AM
> > > > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: first person who like doing water
> > changes
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't matter to me whether my analogy was very good or
> not.
> > > The only
> > > > point I was trying to make was that you have to do PWCs no
> > matter
> > > how good
> > > > you think your filter system is.
> > > >
> > > > I been keeping fish for more years than I care to remember,
but
> > I'm
> > > not good
> > > > with the fancy words. I leave that explaining up to Lenny and
> > Steve
> > > (Szabo).
> > > > They're good at it and I agree with almost everything they
say.
> > > >
> > > > This go around, I think, smacks of some chap we had here a
few
> > > months back.
> > > > It's making me wonder if he came back with a different name.
I
> > > don't know
> > > > what this steve is trying to prove with all this nit picking
> > about
> > > changing
> > > > a 1/2 gallon of water as opposed to a gallon, etc. but it
sure
> > > sounds like a
> > > > lot of nonsense to me.
> > > >
> > > > That's all I intend to say on this subject no matter what
> > replies I
> > > may get.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > joe t
> > > >
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date:
12/30/2007
> 11:27 AM
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25242 From: Kevin Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: PH Control
Thanks Steve. We live and learn.

Kevin

> I should add, real quick, that pH is ALWAYS lower case p upper
case H, even when used to start a sentence. Hence, technically, the
subject line is wrong.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 11:55 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] PH Control
>
> Generally, one is best advised not to mess with pH in an aquarium
> setting, though there are reams of articles and brochures about
this
> topic, most of which tell one how to do so. Once you attempt this
> maneuver, you need to continually endeavor to maintain the pH
level you
> believe is correct for your fish. Truth is that most of the
published pH
> information of the water the fish originate in is erroneous. Also,
since
> more and more fish available to hobbyists are "farmed" rather than
being
> wild caught, and are raised in water whose pH may or may not have
> anything to do with what they experience in the wild, pH is not
much of
> an issue.
>
> It was once believed that fish could not exist in water that had a
pH of
> less than 5.5, but _Mikrogeophagus ramirezi_, commonly known as
the
> Blue Ram or just Ram, has been found in waters with a pH of less
than
> 5.0.
>
> If you are still concerned about your pH level, first try another
test
> kit. Get one that has an expiration date on the reagents to ensure
that
> the reagents are still good when you use them. The best test kit,
for
> several reasons, that I have used is the AquaTru distributed by
Kordon.
> If the pH still seems to be low, then you can do something about
it, if
> you must. Probably the best solution would be to use dolomite
mixed into
> your substrate. This will gradually increase your pH and help
maintain
> it. The rise in pH should be gradual so that your fish do not
suffer pH
> shock by a rapid change in pH.
>
> If the pH keeps rising once you have reached your target, then you
will
> need to remove some of the mixed substrate and replace it with
some that
> has no dolomite in it until you reach a level where the pH is
maintained
> at or near your desired level.
>
> For others reading this, increasing pH can be acceptable, if it is
> really needed, but, under no circumstances, should you attempt to
lower
> your pH. All water has a buffer to maintain pH which is measured
by a
> unit known as alkalinity. This term should not be mistaken for the
pH
> term alkaline (which is really better described by the term base)
as
> they have entirely different meanings. To lower pH, you
must "break"
> this buffer to get the pH down. Once this buffer has been broken,
you
> may have absolutely no control over the level the pH may settle
out at
> and you may suffer from what is termed a pH crash, which may make
your
> water unsuitable for supporting any life at all. This is actually
the
> same problem Kevin seems to be suffering from, but in reverse.
However,
> when raising the pH, the results are never as dramatic as they can
be
> when lowering pH.
>
> The best thing to do is to keep fish that are suited to the
chemistry of
> your water. A hard lesson to learn, I know, but one that should be
> learned.
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
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> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 8:41 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] PH Control
>
> Guys,
>
> I have been having a heck of a time trying to get the PH level of
my
> water to raise. It has been fairly low (around the sixes lately).
I
> check it multiple times a day. And I have been slowly usuing a PH
Up
> solution that I have in my test kit. So far it isn't don't any
good.
>
> None of the aquarium residents seem to be bothered - no fish loss
at
> all - but it worries me that the PH is so low. Is this something I
> should worry about? If so, do you guys have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25243 From: Kate Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Snails
I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded
them at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the
tank. From what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them
all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u5B

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I
have found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the
tank since October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone
know what might prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking
plants? And can anyone tell by the photos which snails might be the
culprit? I'd like to pull only those out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10
gallon, planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry
Shrimp, CO2 and a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAfHBXYWnRpQO
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25244 From: Carmen H Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Ok, so it's a bit of a jungle but I for one LOVE that look :-)
My guess is that because the shrimp are faster getting to the food,
maybe with even more of them there isn't as much leftover for the
snails and they're having to seek out alternate sources?
I see Malaysian Trumpet and Ramshorn, not sure if the other is a baby
MTS or a pond snail... MTS don`t usually go for plants so I`d guess
the ramshorns or even the fish?

Carmen

> I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
> question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded
> them at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the
> tank. From what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them
> all here.
> http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u5B
>
> I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I
> have found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the
> tank since October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone
> know what might prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking
> plants? And can anyone tell by the photos which snails might be the
> culprit? >
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25245 From: Swatek-Rice, Traci Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: changing flters...
Thanks Lenny. I wasn't able to get the fluval working so I kept what
I had in there going and got two more for the new tank. I seeded
the new tank with all the gravel from three 5 gallon tanks and some
of the ornaments. I also took the filter media from the 5 gallons and
the bio wheels and added them to the new tank. I tested the water
and it read where the chart said it should. I do like having a master
test kit finally. Thanks for the help, as always...

Traci Swatek-Rice
Hazmat Technician
DMOS5 manufacturing
Texas Instruments
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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sat 12/29/2007 6:55 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] changing flters...



Just take the filter media out of the internal filter you are removing and
put that filter media in with the filter media of the canister filter. This
way, you will be transferring the bulk of any nitrifying bacteria that are
currently living on the filter media of the internal filter. If you can't
use the filter media from the internal filter in the canister, then you will
have to watch out for a mini-cycle and do PWC's as needed. You could also
squeeze some of the juice from the dirty filter media into the new filter
media in the canister filter and that will seed the new filter.

The good thing is that you will at least have one fully cycled filter still
running on the tank so you shouldn't have much of a mini-cycle, if any.
From all I've read, the nitrifying bacteria are capable of doubling their
colony size every 24-48 hours so your mini-cycle shouldn't last more than a
day or two.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Swatek-Rice, Traci
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 10:51 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] changing flters...

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if someone could help me with another question.
(I am going on list this time Lenny:) I have recently gotten a fluval 305
canister filter that I would like to use on my 55 gallon established tank. I
have two internal filters rated for up to 60 gallons on there and the UGF. I
want to take out one of the internal filters and use the fluval. Lenny, this
is the tank you helped me with a couple of weeks ago on the mini-cycle it
went thru. Can I do this without causing another mini-cycle?
Then I want to use the internal one and a penguin 350 on another 55 gallon
tank that I will be seeding from my smaller tanks that I'll be breaking
down. Does this sound like it will work? Thanks for the help, in advance...


Regards,
Traci


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25246 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
5B
<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
HBXYWnRpQO
<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA
fHBXYWnRpQO>
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25247 From: Angela Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants
into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on
my plants :(
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
5B
<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
HBXYWnRpQO
<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA
fHBXYWnRpQO>
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25248 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
What kind of fish do you have?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Angela
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:49 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants
into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on
my plants :(

Angela



-------Original Message-------



From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny

Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails



Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source

available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is

sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned

out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from

feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your

cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave

the plants alone.



Lenny Vasbinder

Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com





-----Original Message-----

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Kate

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails



I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my

question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them

at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From

what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u

5B

<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7

u5B>



I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have

found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since

October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might

prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell

by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those

out.

Thanks,

Kate

Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,

planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and

a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.

Here's a

picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf

HBXYWnRpQO

<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA

fHBXYWnRpQO>

Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25249 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
That makes sense. I'll just take some of each out.
Thanks.

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:
Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
5B
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
HBXYWnRpQO

fHBXYWnRpQO>
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25250 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
I really like Amano and Cherry Shrimp for cleanup.
Kate

Angela <asolomon1@...> wrote:
What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants
into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on
my plants :(
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
5B
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
HBXYWnRpQO

fHBXYWnRpQO>
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25251 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Angela,

I asked you in a previous post about what kind of fish do you have but what
kind of snail do you have also?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

I really like Amano and Cherry Shrimp for cleanup.
Kate

Angela <asolomon1@... <mailto:asolomon1%40stny.rr.com> > wrote:
What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants
into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on
my plants :( Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7
u>
5B
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA
f>
HBXYWnRpQO

fHBXYWnRpQO>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25252 From: Angela Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Oh I must have missed that, I've been having trouble getting all the posts.
I have 2 flame gourami's, 2 blue gourami's, a silver dollar, a Rafael cat, a
cardinal tetra and a black mystery snail. (No one had narcissus around here)
he's just a giant black snail. Nothing really remarkable about him to
distinguish what he is. Thanks!
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Date: 01/02/08 17:41:38
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Angela,

I asked you in a previous post about what kind of fish do you have but what
kind of snail do you have also?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

I really like Amano and Cherry Shrimp for cleanup.
Kate

Angela <asolomon1@... <mailto:asolomon1%40stny.rr.com> > wrote:
What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants
into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on
my plants :( Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source
available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is
sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned
out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from
feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your
cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave
the plants alone.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails

I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my
question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them
at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From
what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u
<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7
u>
5B
u5B>

I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have
found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since
October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might
prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell
by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those
out.
Thanks,
Kate
Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,
planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and
a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.
Here's a
picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf
<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA
f>
HBXYWnRpQO

fHBXYWnRpQO>
Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25253 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/2/2008
Subject: Re: Snails
Your blue gourami's sub-species of the three-spot gourami
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Trichogaster%20trichopterus.html and the
Striped Raphael catfish
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=166 should both
grow to around 6" and will likely see most shrimp as a delicious cocktail
appetizer. Try serving them with a nice catsup and horseradish based sauce!
That's how I like them. ;-)

The black mystery snail might leave your plants alone if you feed him/her
other greens that are high in calcium. Here's a list.
http://www.applesnail.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3988 While at this site,
you can check out their very detailed 3D anatomy section to make sure you do
have a black mystery snail. I know the site is called Applesnail.net but
they have detailed info on most snails.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Angela
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails

Oh I must have missed that, I've been having trouble getting all the posts.
I have 2 flame gourami's, 2 blue gourami's, a silver dollar, a Rafael cat, a
cardinal tetra and a black mystery snail. (No one had narcissus around here)
he's just a giant black snail. Nothing really remarkable about him to
distinguish what he is. Thanks!

Angela



-------Original Message-------



From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny

Date: 01/02/08 17:41:38

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails



Angela,



I asked you in a previous post about what kind of fish do you have but what

kind of snail do you have also?



Lenny Vasbinder

Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com





-----Original Message-----

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Kate Conrow

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:35 PM

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails



I really like Amano and Cherry Shrimp for cleanup.

Kate



Angela <asolomon1@... <mailto:asolomon1%40stny.rr.com> > wrote:

What kind of shrimp are best for this? I just introduced a few live plants

into my tank and the snail I got to clean up the algae is doing a number on

my plants :( Angela



-------Original Message-------



From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny

Date: 1/2/2008 2:21:15 PM

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Snails



Most snails will eat plants when there is no other easier food source

available. When the snail colonies grow to a level that no longer is

sustained by the uneaten food and algae, then they will need to be thinned

out or you will need to actually start feeding the snails to keep them from

feeding on your plants. This is why folks are going with shrimp, like your

cherry shrimp, to do tank cleanup rather than snails since the shrimp leave

the plants alone.



Lenny Vasbinder

Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>



-----Original Message-----

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On Behalf Of Kate

Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:04 PM

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [AquaticLife] Snails



I figured since we've been talking about snails I might throw in my

question. I have an assortment of snails in my 10 g. I haven't minded them

at all because they help with cleanup of various aspects of the tank. From

what I can tell there are three varieties. You can see them all here.

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7u

<http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/4992.jpg?grIDAfHB_DFS7

u>

5B

u5B>



I think one of them has recently decided to attack my dwarf lily. I have

found several holes in it's leaves. Nothing has changed in the tank since

October when I added a few more Cherry Shrimp. Does anyone know what might

prompt snails to all of a sudden start attacking plants? And can anyone tell

by the photos which snails might be the culprit? I'd like to pull only those

out.

Thanks,

Kate

Ps. If it helps to give a brief synopsis of the tank it is a 10 gallon,

planted tank with 3 Harlequin Rasboras, 3 Otocinclus, Cherry Shrimp, CO2 and

a Zoo Med canister. PWCs are done at 10% twice a week.

Here's a

picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiAf

<picture.http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_8495157/1d5a/__sr_/3217.jpg?grYiA

f>

HBXYWnRpQO



fHBXYWnRpQO>

Yes it is badly in need of aquascaping.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25254 From: Michael Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: live plant clippings
I just take a screw/nail or two (for weight) and twist-tie them to a
clipping of my Water Wisteria live plants. Let it sink to the bottom
and that's it - it will grow it's own roots and flourish.



Water Wisteria is a very ferny looking pretty plant - by the way.



Live plants are so-o-o-o-o much prettier than plastic plants - I just
switched to live plants recently and I love it - so easy! They eat up
the waste under the gravel too!

Michael
Harvard, IL USA 60033
My Website: http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25255 From: Michael Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Does anyone near Harvard, IL 60033 want Water Wisteria LIVE PLANTS?
I have a bunch and they are multiplying fast!


Can I trade for some other type that you have?

I like a variety of color and type.

Does anyone live near Harvard, IL 60033 ? Do you want some Water
Wisteria LIVE PLANTS?

Michael
Harvard, IL 60033
My Website: http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25256 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Another question - Lighting
Ok, if I may, I have another question and I'm sure this one is going
to totally betray my ignorance.... ;) I think I've got the
substrate settled, or at least a plan and I've started in on other
things... if I am understanding what I've been reading so far, for a
100 gallon tank, with a mix of low and medium light loving plants, I
should want in the neighborhood of 200 watts worth of full spectrum
lights. I'm familiar w/ plant lights for starting seeds indoors and
didn't expect to feel so out of my depth when it came to plants for
my tank, but here I am, in the dark as it were. I've been assuming
that when one needs 200 watts, that means that each light is 200
watts, just like in a regular lighting situation -- or does that mean
enough lights to total 200 watts?? I read somewhere (and know it's
true of non-aquatic plants) that adding extra low wattage lights
doesn't replace the need for good, strong (appropriately so) lighting
in a tank. If I'm understanding all this correctly, where in the
world do I find 200 watt plant lights for a fish tank? I've been
looking online just to get an idea of what I was looking for $-wise
and only came up with 40 and lower watt bulbs. Am I looking in the
wrong places?

I haven't seen the tank yet, but I'm expecting that the hood is
pretty standard -- I'm not sure how many bulbs it's meant to hold (6
feet long).

Anyway, thanks -- again!

~Helen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25257 From: Angela Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Another question - Lighting
I believe it depends what kind of plants you want. There are easy plants
that can live with regular flourescent lights. In my opinion if you want
high light plants T5's are probably the way to go. Good luck!


-------Original Message-------

From: H. B. Pattskyn
Date: 01/03/08 07:58:31
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Another question - Lighting

Ok, if I may, I have another question and I'm sure this one is going
to totally betray my ignorance.... ;) I think I've got the
substrate settled, or at least a plan and I've started in on other
things... if I am understanding what I've been reading so far, for a
100 gallon tank, with a mix of low and medium light loving plants, I
should want in the neighborhood of 200 watts worth of full spectrum
lights. I'm familiar w/ plant lights for starting seeds indoors and
didn't expect to feel so out of my depth when it came to plants for
my tank, but here I am, in the dark as it were. I've been assuming
that when one needs 200 watts, that means that each light is 200
watts, just like in a regular lighting situation -- or does that mean
enough lights to total 200 watts?? I read somewhere (and know it's
true of non-aquatic plants) that adding extra low wattage lights
doesn't replace the need for good, strong (appropriately so) lighting
in a tank. If I'm understanding all this correctly, where in the
world do I find 200 watt plant lights for a fish tank? I've been
looking online just to get an idea of what I was looking for $-wise
and only came up with 40 and lower watt bulbs. Am I looking in the
wrong places?

I haven't seen the tank yet, but I'm expecting that the hood is
pretty standard -- I'm not sure how many bulbs it's meant to hold (6
feet long).

Anyway, thanks -- again!

~Helen





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25258 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
I'm not sure how rusting metal would affect the water in a tank so it would
probably be a good idea to use a stainless steel screw or nail if you are
going to use something like that.

I personally use the little flexible lead-like composite strips that come on
the plants from some retail stores. Go by a PetsMart or Petco and ask them
for some of the little weighted strips that they use on the plant bunches
that they sell. They give them to me for free. They are about 1/4" wide
and 3" long and are flexible so they can just wrap around the base of a
plant or a bunch of clippings so they hold them together and weigh them down
at the same time.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:13 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] live plant clippings

I just take a screw/nail or two (for weight) and twist-tie them to a
clipping of my Water Wisteria live plants. Let it sink to the bottom and
that's it - it will grow it's own roots and flourish.

Water Wisteria is a very ferny looking pretty plant - by the way.

Live plants are so-o-o-o-o much prettier than plastic plants - I just
switched to live plants recently and I love it - so easy! They eat up the
waste under the gravel too!

Michael
Harvard, IL USA 60033
My Website: http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE
<http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25259 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
You want your total lighting watts to add up to the wattage you are
planning. For a 100G tank, if you are planning on 2 wpg (watts per gallon),
then you would want a total of 200 watts. This old general rule for
lighting is mostly dealing with the "normal" fluorescent tubes so if you are
going with some of the new types of lighting, you may not need as many watts
for the same amount of "light".

While I don't normally refer people to a wikipedia site, this section has a
little more info on lighting efficiency to further confuse things. lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighting_efficiency#Lighting_efficiency

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of H. B. Pattskyn
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:58 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Another question - Lighting

Ok, if I may, I have another question and I'm sure this one is going to
totally betray my ignorance.... ;) I think I've got the substrate settled,
or at least a plan and I've started in on other things... if I am
understanding what I've been reading so far, for a 100 gallon tank, with a
mix of low and medium light loving plants, I should want in the neighborhood
of 200 watts worth of full spectrum lights. I'm familiar w/ plant lights for
starting seeds indoors and didn't expect to feel so out of my depth when it
came to plants for my tank, but here I am, in the dark as it were. I've been
assuming that when one needs 200 watts, that means that each light is 200
watts, just like in a regular lighting situation -- or does that mean enough
lights to total 200 watts?? I read somewhere (and know it's true of
non-aquatic plants) that adding extra low wattage lights doesn't replace the
need for good, strong (appropriately so) lighting in a tank. If I'm
understanding all this correctly, where in the world do I find 200 watt
plant lights for a fish tank? I've been looking online just to get an idea
of what I was looking for $-wise and only came up with 40 and lower watt
bulbs. Am I looking in the wrong places?

I haven't seen the tank yet, but I'm expecting that the hood is pretty
standard -- I'm not sure how many bulbs it's meant to hold (6 feet long).

Anyway, thanks -- again!

~Helen



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25260 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
>
> A tank cannot cycle unless there is a source of ammonia for
the
> bacteria to live on and without fish there will not be a source
> unless you add it from some other means.
>


I read about two methods, one adding amonia directly (clear, plain,
nothing added amonia), and another involving "feeding" the empty tank
and letting the fish flakes break down; both involve lots of testing
and keeping of notes because obviously fish don't get added until the
amonia is back down to nothing. Since i have another tank in the
house, I've got some "starter" bacteria although it won't be much to
begin w/, since the tank is small... although I didn't gather that a
whole lot was needed, just something to kick start the process if it
was available. I would love to hear from someone who has actually
done fishless cycling (I didn't do any kind of intentional cycling w/
my daughter's tank, but it only has one fish in it, which I think is
why we didn't have any problems. I grew up around fish tanks, I
don't remember any mention of cycling ever being made. It's good to
know about though.) My understanding is that neither method
mentioned above is harmful to plants.



> I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to,
as
> well as adding grow lights for the plants
> That is not a good place to put a tank because in the summer
> when the sun does shine in it will give enough light so that algae
> will have a chance to take over the tan and also the temp
difference
> could change the temp of the tank so that the fish will become
> stressed and with stress the resistance to diseases will be
lowered.
> Granted a large tank like you have may not be affected too much
there
> is always the possibility that trouble could happen.


The window area is the only location available for a six foot tank.
Not sure how it will affect the tank but we do keep the air on in the
summer. It only gets direct sun for an hour or so in the evenings --
Western exposure. But regardless, it's the only option and I'm aware
of the importance of keeping an eye on temperature -- and this house
is so inconsistant, no matter what the thermostat says, some rooms
are cold and some rooms are hot.

My personal experience with algea is that it didn't matter what the
light conditions were, we had it in spades. My daughter's little
tank has a nice population of snails that keep it in check and have
managed to survive being eaten by her fish. Since the new tank will
also be cool water, so I'll probably stick w/ snails.

I like the idea of having more than one heater for emergancies (our
furnace went out a few years ago - we were ok bundled up, but my dog
has no hair... he wasn't too happy. I couldn't imagine the problems
if we'd had a fish tank and no heater.) Will check out set up when
it arrives and see what I need to buy.


Where I was having problems was w/ the issue of substrate, but I
think I feel more confident there. The next question is lighting...
I don't see the post I though I put through this morning. If it
doesn't come through, the long and the short of it is that if I'm
understanding what I'm reading correctly, I need 200 watt bulbs (wide
spectrum, I've used plant lights before, just not in an aquarium) and
I can't seem to find bulbs w/ the high of wattage. Maybe I'm not
understanding what I'm reading because my experience isn't w/ aquatic
gardening. I would very greatly appreciate advice on the subject of
lighting. (I'll be doing low and medium light plants, 100 gallon
tank.) I remember kelvins from science class, but can really only
relate that to star temperature, not sure how that relates to plants,
although I know the obvious that bright (hot) lights warm up the
water, which may become a condern in the summer months even w/ the
air conditioner running we'll have to see and adjust the tank
conditions accordingly... once I figure out where I'm starting with
lighting.

Once again, thank you!!

Helen



> although the tank does have a heater, which is probably good
> because in winter especially my house gets a little chilly.)
> It would be best to have two or more heaters so that if one
goes
> out (does not heat) then the other(s) will keep the tank from going
> down too fast or if one heater sticks on then it will not be able
> give you broiled fish.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
> <thylacine_yawn@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)
> >
> > I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past
what
> to put on the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more
> confusing it gets. I'm doing a cool water set up, making it easy
on
> myself and planning on buying a collection of plants already put
> together by the nursery (I'll add to later as I become more
confident
> in how to choose plants -- but starting out with a 150 gallon tank,
> the initial planting can be an expert's collection.) After the
> plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding
fish
> (cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a
> heater, which is probably good because in winter especially my
house
> gets a little chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put
the
> tank up next to, as well as adding grow lights for the plants,
> especially in winter when no window in this house gets any light!
I
> haven't checked out the filter system that comes w/ the set up yet
> (buying used), but will add to as necessary.
> >
> > Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate
or
> another would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice --
> this is really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted
> tank so much more than a "regular" tank, even though it is a good
> deal more expensive to set up. We're taking it in stages and I'm
> learning the value of patience ;)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Helen
> >
> >
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25261 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
Hey another subject I've been wanting to post on. I've had a hard time with two of my plants. My Ludwigia Ovalis has such fragile stalks that every time I try to stick it in the substrate(ADA Amazonia II powder) it snaps and my Hemianthus Callitrichoides will not stay down. I think I could try the strips you spoke of on the Ludwigia, but I wonder if I could just set one on top of the HC to keep it on the substrate. Any thoughts?
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: I'm not sure how rusting metal would affect the water in a tank so it would
probably be a good idea to use a stainless steel screw or nail if you are
going to use something like that.

I personally use the little flexible lead-like composite strips that come on
the plants from some retail stores. Go by a PetsMart or Petco and ask them
for some of the little weighted strips that they use on the plant bunches
that they sell. They give them to me for free. They are about 1/4" wide
and 3" long and are flexible so they can just wrap around the base of a
plant or a bunch of clippings so they hold them together and weigh them down
at the same time.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:13 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] live plant clippings

I just take a screw/nail or two (for weight) and twist-tie them to a
clipping of my Water Wisteria live plants. Let it sink to the bottom and
that's it - it will grow it's own roots and flourish.

Water Wisteria is a very ferny looking pretty plant - by the way.

Live plants are so-o-o-o-o much prettier than plastic plants - I just
switched to live plants recently and I love it - so easy! They eat up the
waste under the gravel too!

Michael
Harvard, IL USA 60033
My Website: http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25262 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Thanks! (And sorry for repeating my question, but I didn't see it
and have been having issues w/ computer/interet lately, so I thought
it might be a hiccup.)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25263 From: H. B. Pattskyn Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
I guess where I'm getting confused is that to me "flourescent"
doesn't equal "plant light" -- I had an extended conversation with a
science teacher on the subject back when I stared working with potted
plants indoors (I'm in one of those places with long cloudy
winters.) The simple explination was that flourescents don't put out
a full spectrum of light and plants need a full spectrum of light to
do well. A lot of planted aquarium articals are referring to plain
old normal flourecent lights, though. I know they're cheaper, but at
least for potted plants out of water, they're not nearly as good...
ultimately, I think I'll have to look at what I have to work with and
see what kind of good full spectrum light I can get that will fit the
hood...

Thanks - and thanks for making me think about water temperatures in
summer... it's better to think about it ahead of time and have a plan
for *if* it becomes an issue than to be scrambing as my tank climbs
to 100 degrees! Just like the furnace, the air conditioner could go
out and that would be lower on the priority-list to call a repairman
out for...

~Helen















--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> You want your total lighting watts to add up to the wattage you are
> planning. For a 100G tank, if you are planning on 2 wpg (watts per
gallon),
> then you would want a total of 200 watts. This old general rule for
> lighting is mostly dealing with the "normal" fluorescent tubes so
if you are
> going with some of the new types of lighting, you may not need as
many watts
> for the same amount of "light".
>
> While I don't normally refer people to a wikipedia site, this
section has a
> little more info on lighting efficiency to further confuse things.
lol
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighting_efficiency#Lighting_efficiency
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of H. B. Pattskyn
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:58 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Another question - Lighting
>
> Ok, if I may, I have another question and I'm sure this one is
going to
> totally betray my ignorance.... ;) I think I've got the substrate
settled,
> or at least a plan and I've started in on other things... if I am
> understanding what I've been reading so far, for a 100 gallon tank,
with a
> mix of low and medium light loving plants, I should want in the
neighborhood
> of 200 watts worth of full spectrum lights. I'm familiar w/ plant
lights for
> starting seeds indoors and didn't expect to feel so out of my depth
when it
> came to plants for my tank, but here I am, in the dark as it were.
I've been
> assuming that when one needs 200 watts, that means that each light
is 200
> watts, just like in a regular lighting situation -- or does that
mean enough
> lights to total 200 watts?? I read somewhere (and know it's true of
> non-aquatic plants) that adding extra low wattage lights doesn't
replace the
> need for good, strong (appropriately so) lighting in a tank. If I'm
> understanding all this correctly, where in the world do I find 200
watt
> plant lights for a fish tank? I've been looking online just to get
an idea
> of what I was looking for $-wise and only came up with 40 and lower
watt
> bulbs. Am I looking in the wrong places?
>
> I haven't seen the tank yet, but I'm expecting that the hood is
pretty
> standard -- I'm not sure how many bulbs it's meant to hold (6 feet
long).
>
> Anyway, thanks -- again!
>
> ~Helen
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25264 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: New fishaholic
Hi,everyone,Happy new year



I spent the first hour on here setting up my profile page which
IExplorer shut down before I could load it,ahhhhhhh.



I am an avid fish owner,predominantly freshwater tropical
livebearers,although I have other adopted,inherited,impulsively
bought other fish.This is my current collection:



15 gal desktop-"Fluffy"8 yr Black Moor,10",one eye due to Pleco
incident,3" Black Moor,2 months old,named me too(Mini me" was eaten
by filter)Computer desk



10 Gallon 5 Mollies,black and silver,castle live plants-living room



10 gallon 6 blue dwarf gouramis awaiting new2me 75 gallon planted
home-Studio



20 gal. 2 female bettas,1 forlorn male betta,rescued from
fishbowl, 6 platies used 2 cycle tank,2 corycats,1 large
unidentified terrified catfish rescued from goldfish tank(guest bath)



30 gal 2 overgrown goldfish,rescued,4 splitfin goldfish,rescued from
feeder tank,2 multicolored koi,2 large stripe danios-above garden
tub,master bath



40 gallon-50+platies,mickey mouse,fire,golden,dwarf,started with 3
females and 1 male,"three amigos"fancy tail male guppies,Bozo,clown
loach,"dragon"8"leopard pleco,"mermaid" golden pleco,all living in
around under huge double castle w/blue turrets and artificial plant
mat-living room



50 gal.-1 spoiled rotten 10"tiger oscar,named oscar and his tank
buddy 12"leopard pleco named Felix,who takes no guff off of
roommates.-Studio



1 emergency rescue tank,10 gal,cyled with platies



I adopt rescue fish before the tidy bowl man can snatch them and
buy "like new fish tank"from those that thought they did but decided
they didn't



Glad to be here,Couldn't get on another yahoo site on fish(voice from
above)"waiting for approval"



I am an enthusiastic researcher of all things,prodominently squishes
at the present time



I raised two college grads,one environmental biologist. I taught art
to over 200 adult students for 15+yrs,painted murals in over 300
homes/business/schools,was divorced after 24 yrs, had cancer and near
fatal spinal collapse,retired to new home,2nd chance at life,2nd
chance at love.Very blessed.



love2laugh,Sheri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25265 From: asbo032000 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: hEY
Hey ya i've just joined thought i would introduce myself, i have 2x 4ft
tropical tanks and one 3ft coldwater tank, all been up and running for
3/2 years,
in one of my 4ft i have, 4 very large angelfish, 2 large comon plecs, 2
red eye tetras and 3 3 spot gormis.
In my other 4ft i have momstly livebearves, mollies, guppies,zebra
danons,black widows,neons,2 common plecs,glowlight teras, Harlequin and
Buenos aires tetra.
I have 8 large goldfish in the 3ft.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25266 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Bark background
I recently read an article about using cork bark as a background for
planted aquariums,Can any tree bark be used?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25267 From: ialreadytaken4 Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: want to have live plants got q's 1st
I HAVE A 75G TANK AND I AM GETTINT TIRED OF THE PLASTIC LOOK HAVE NEVER
REALLY TRIED REAL PLANTS. BOT WILL ING TO TRY ANYTHING ONCE..
IN MY TANK I HAVE 5 BLACK PHANTOMS, 5 ZEBRA DANIOS, 6 WHITE SHIRTS, 2
ANGLES,1 DRAGON GOBY AND I DONT KBOW WHAT TO START OFF WITH ANY ADVICE
IS WELCOME. I DONT WANT TO START OFF WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO
DIE IN A DAY OR TWO.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25268 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: live plant clippings
I'm sure they would work for just laying the strip over a plant stalk to
keep it on the surface until it roots. I think it would be much easier than
trying to tie a string to the plant or using rubber bands or something like
that. The lead-like strips are very heavy for their size and can be easily
bent or wrapped around if needed.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:40 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] live plant clippings

Hey another subject I've been wanting to post on. I've had a hard time with
two of my plants. My Ludwigia Ovalis has such fragile stalks that every time
I try to stick it in the substrate(ADA Amazonia II powder) it snaps and my
Hemianthus Callitrichoides will not stay down. I think I could try the
strips you spoke of on the Ludwigia, but I wonder if I could just set one on
top of the HC to keep it on the substrate. Any thoughts?
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>
> wrote: I'm not sure how rusting metal would affect the water in a tank so
it would probably be a good idea to use a stainless steel screw or nail if
you are going to use something like that.

I personally use the little flexible lead-like composite strips that come on
the plants from some retail stores. Go by a PetsMart or Petco and ask them
for some of the little weighted strips that they use on the plant bunches
that they sell. They give them to me for free. They are about 1/4" wide and
3" long and are flexible so they can just wrap around the base of a plant or
a bunch of clippings so they hold them together and weigh them down at the
same time.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:13 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] live plant clippings

I just take a screw/nail or two (for weight) and twist-tie them to a
clipping of my Water Wisteria live plants. Let it sink to the bottom and
that's it - it will grow it's own roots and flourish.

Water Wisteria is a very ferny looking pretty plant - by the way.

Live plants are so-o-o-o-o much prettier than plastic plants - I just
switched to live plants recently and I love it - so easy! They eat up the
waste under the gravel too!

Michael
Harvard, IL USA 60033
My Website: http://www.ezinfocenter.com/7893080/EE
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25269 From: Carmen H Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
What kind/how much lighting on the tank?


Carmen


AND I DONT KBOW WHAT TO START OFF WITH ANY ADVICE
> IS WELCOME. I DONT WANT TO START OFF WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO
> DIE IN A DAY OR TWO.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25270 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
The ammonia method is the best way to go, food is probably not very good as it can fungus before it decomposes enough to add ammonia to the water. You do need to do a lot of testing, just as you would if you cycle with fish. You need to test the ammonia level each day, and then add enough ammonia to bring it back up to the desired level. Once you get a feel for how much to add to do that, it is really no big deal, and ballparking the measurement is acceptable, but may extend the time for your cycle to complete. I never really took extensive notes when I did it, but, if you wish, feel free. Most plants will not be harmed by cycling the tank this way. I say most, though I have never seen one, but there is always the chance that there is one out there that will.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of H. B. Pattskyn
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Substrate question - planted tanks


>
> A tank cannot cycle unless there is a source of ammonia for
the
> bacteria to live on and without fish there will not be a source
> unless you add it from some other means.
>


I read about two methods, one adding amonia directly (clear, plain,
nothing added amonia), and another involving "feeding" the empty tank
and letting the fish flakes break down; both involve lots of testing
and keeping of notes because obviously fish don't get added until the
amonia is back down to nothing. Since i have another tank in the
house, I've got some "starter" bacteria although it won't be much to
begin w/, since the tank is small... although I didn't gather that a
whole lot was needed, just something to kick start the process if it
was available. I would love to hear from someone who has actually
done fishless cycling (I didn't do any kind of intentional cycling w/
my daughter's tank, but it only has one fish in it, which I think is
why we didn't have any problems. I grew up around fish tanks, I
don't remember any mention of cycling ever being made. It's good to
know about though.) My understanding is that neither method
mentioned above is harmful to plants.



> I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to,
as
> well as adding grow lights for the plants
> That is not a good place to put a tank because in the summer
> when the sun does shine in it will give enough light so that algae
> will have a chance to take over the tan and also the temp
difference
> could change the temp of the tank so that the fish will become
> stressed and with stress the resistance to diseases will be
lowered.
> Granted a large tank like you have may not be affected too much
there
> is always the possibility that trouble could happen.


The window area is the only location available for a six foot tank.
Not sure how it will affect the tank but we do keep the air on in the
summer. It only gets direct sun for an hour or so in the evenings --
Western exposure. But regardless, it's the only option and I'm aware
of the importance of keeping an eye on temperature -- and this house
is so inconsistant, no matter what the thermostat says, some rooms
are cold and some rooms are hot.

My personal experience with algea is that it didn't matter what the
light conditions were, we had it in spades. My daughter's little
tank has a nice population of snails that keep it in check and have
managed to survive being eaten by her fish. Since the new tank will
also be cool water, so I'll probably stick w/ snails.

I like the idea of having more than one heater for emergancies (our
furnace went out a few years ago - we were ok bundled up, but my dog
has no hair... he wasn't too happy. I couldn't imagine the problems
if we'd had a fish tank and no heater.) Will check out set up when
it arrives and see what I need to buy.


Where I was having problems was w/ the issue of substrate, but I
think I feel more confident there. The next question is lighting...
I don't see the post I though I put through this morning. If it
doesn't come through, the long and the short of it is that if I'm
understanding what I'm reading correctly, I need 200 watt bulbs (wide
spectrum, I've used plant lights before, just not in an aquarium) and
I can't seem to find bulbs w/ the high of wattage. Maybe I'm not
understanding what I'm reading because my experience isn't w/ aquatic
gardening. I would very greatly appreciate advice on the subject of
lighting. (I'll be doing low and medium light plants, 100 gallon
tank.) I remember kelvins from science class, but can really only
relate that to star temperature, not sure how that relates to plants,
although I know the obvious that bright (hot) lights warm up the
water, which may become a condern in the summer months even w/ the
air conditioner running we'll have to see and adjust the tank
conditions accordingly... once I figure out where I'm starting with
lighting.

Once again, thank you!!

Helen



> although the tank does have a heater, which is probably good
> because in winter especially my house gets a little chilly.)
> It would be best to have two or more heaters so that if one
goes
> out (does not heat) then the other(s) will keep the tank from going
> down too fast or if one heater sticks on then it will not be able
> give you broiled fish.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
> <thylacine_yawn@> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)
> >
> > I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past
what
> to put on the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more
> confusing it gets. I'm doing a cool water set up, making it easy
on
> myself and planning on buying a collection of plants already put
> together by the nursery (I'll add to later as I become more
confident
> in how to choose plants -- but starting out with a 150 gallon tank,
> the initial planting can be an expert's collection.) After the
> plants have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding
fish
> (cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a
> heater, which is probably good because in winter especially my
house
> gets a little chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put
the
> tank up next to, as well as adding grow lights for the plants,
> especially in winter when no window in this house gets any light!
I
> haven't checked out the filter system that comes w/ the set up yet
> (buying used), but will add to as necessary.
> >
> > Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate
or
> another would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice --
> this is really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted
> tank so much more than a "regular" tank, even though it is a good
> deal more expensive to set up. We're taking it in stages and I'm
> learning the value of patience ;)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Helen
> >
> >
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25271 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: New fishaholic
Welcome to the group. I'm presuming you know your tanks are
undersized/overstocked. I realize you are rescuing many of these fish but I
hope they aren't staying in those undersized tanks for too long.... or I
hope you are doing daily PWC's to compensate for the undersized/overstocked
tanks. I've rescued fish myself but I also resist rescuing them if I do not
have room to adequately house them as that would be detrimental to the
current fish in the tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:19 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New fishaholic

Hi,everyone,Happy new year

I spent the first hour on here setting up my profile page which IExplorer
shut down before I could load it,ahhhhhhh.

I am an avid fish owner,predominantly freshwater tropical
livebearers,although I have other adopted,inherited,impulsively bought other
fish.This is my current collection:

15 gal desktop-"Fluffy"8 yr Black Moor,10",one eye due to Pleco incident,3"
Black Moor,2 months old,named me too(Mini me" was eaten by filter)Computer
desk

10 Gallon 5 Mollies,black and silver,castle live plants-living room

10 gallon 6 blue dwarf gouramis awaiting new2me 75 gallon planted
home-Studio

20 gal. 2 female bettas,1 forlorn male betta,rescued from fishbowl, 6
platies used 2 cycle tank,2 corycats,1 large unidentified terrified catfish
rescued from goldfish tank(guest bath)

30 gal 2 overgrown goldfish,rescued,4 splitfin goldfish,rescued from feeder
tank,2 multicolored koi,2 large stripe danios-above garden tub,master bath

40 gallon-50+platies,mickey mouse,fire,golden,dwarf,started with 3 females
and 1 male,"three amigos"fancy tail male guppies,Bozo,clown
loach,"dragon"8"leopard pleco,"mermaid" golden pleco,all living in around
under huge double castle w/blue turrets and artificial plant mat-living room

50 gal.-1 spoiled rotten 10"tiger oscar,named oscar and his tank buddy
12"leopard pleco named Felix,who takes no guff off of roommates.-Studio

1 emergency rescue tank,10 gal,cyled with platies

I adopt rescue fish before the tidy bowl man can snatch them and buy "like
new fish tank"from those that thought they did but decided they didn't

Glad to be here,Couldn't get on another yahoo site on fish(voice from
above)"waiting for approval"

I am an enthusiastic researcher of all things,prodominently squishes at the
present time

I raised two college grads,one environmental biologist. I taught art to over
200 adult students for 15+yrs,painted murals in over 300
homes/business/schools,was divorced after 24 yrs, had cancer and near fatal
spinal collapse,retired to new home,2nd chance at life,2nd chance at
love.Very blessed.

love2laugh,Sheri



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25272 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
Welcome to the group. While your tanks may have been working for the short
time that you've had them, you will either need to get much larger tanks or
thin out the stocking if you want all of your fish to live out their full
potential lifespans.

The "4ft" tanks would need to be around 200G (6' to 8' long tank) to
adequately house all of the fish you have in each one. The common plecos
grow to 18"+ and need 75G per pleco.

The "3ft" tank is much too small for goldfish. Depending on the type,
goldfish need 30G to 50G per goldfish and the long bodied varieties should
be in a really big tank (or a pond) since they grow to over 12" and are
really big-time swimmers compared to their round bodied cousins. A single
full grown goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish,
regardless of body type so even the 30G to 50G per goldfish is really on the
low side and needs plenty of filtration and at least weekly 25% PWC's.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of asbo032000
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:29 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] hEY

Hey ya i've just joined thought i would introduce myself, i have 2x 4ft
tropical tanks and one 3ft coldwater tank, all been up and running for
3/2 years,
in one of my 4ft i have, 4 very large angelfish, 2 large comon plecs, 2 red
eye tetras and 3 3 spot gormis.
In my other 4ft i have momstly livebearves, mollies, guppies,zebra
danons,black widows,neons,2 common plecs,glowlight teras, Harlequin and
Buenos aires tetra.
I have 8 large goldfish in the 3ft.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25273 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
Cork bark works but other tree bark would not work. Cork does not absorb
water.... or if it does, it does not deteriorate like regular tree bark
does. Regular tree bark would foul your water and turn into mush in short
order. This is why you will see that driftwood does not have bark on it.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:36 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Bark background

I recently read an article about using cork bark as a background for planted
aquariums,Can any tree bark be used?



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25274 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
Be careful about which plants you buy at some chain pet stores. They often
sell bog plants as underwater plants and the plants die in a short time and
will foul your water.

Here are a couple of links to some very easy and easy rated plants that do
not need special lighting, CO2, etc., so they are a good start up plant.
There are over 75 plants in the very easy and easy categories so you can
still create a very nice aquascape. Each plant profile will give you much
more info about where the plant would look best in the tank.

http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=2

http://www.plantgeek.net/plantguide_list.php?category=2&filter_by=3

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of ialreadytaken4
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] want to have live plants got q's 1st

I HAVE A 75G TANK AND I AM GETTINT TIRED OF THE PLASTIC LOOK HAVE NEVER
REALLY TRIED REAL PLANTS. BOT WILL ING TO TRY ANYTHING ONCE..
IN MY TANK I HAVE 5 BLACK PHANTOMS, 5 ZEBRA DANIOS, 6 WHITE SHIRTS, 2
ANGLES,1 DRAGON GOBY AND I DONT KBOW WHAT TO START OFF WITH ANY ADVICE IS
WELCOME. I DONT WANT TO START OFF WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO DIE IN A
DAY OR TWO.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25275 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate question - planted tanks
Here is a very simple article on Fishless Cycling which tells you how much
ammonia to add... usually around 3-5 drops per gallon but since drops can be
of varying sizes, it's best to test to make sure you do not go over 5ppm.
You are looking for the 10% solution of plain ammonia which can be purchased
at Ace Hardware stores and other places for a dollar or two for a quart
which is much more than you will need for all but the largest of tanks.

http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/misc/fishlesscycling.html

This next article uses the SeaChem Ammonia Alert monitor as the gauge for
adding ammonia instead of having to test it with a test kit. The downside
of using the Ammonia Alert is that it turns to the darkest (highest) level
at only 2ppm of ammonia where you actually want to get it up to 4-5ppm to
achieve the fastest results.

http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html

One last thing that many articles do not address is that if you have softer
water or low mineral content water, you may have to do regular PWC's or add
baking soda as the fishless cycling tank could cause the pH to crash to a
level where the nitrifying bacteria quit multiplying. I've never had this
problem with my liquid-rock type water down here but I've seen it happen to
other fish keepers while helping them in other forums. It took a while to
figure out what was causing the cycle to stagnate and eventually we figured
out it was due to a lack of minerals in the water.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Substrate question - planted tanks

The ammonia method is the best way to go, food is probably not very good as
it can fungus before it decomposes enough to add ammonia to the water. You
do need to do a lot of testing, just as you would if you cycle with fish.
You need to test the ammonia level each day, and then add enough ammonia to
bring it back up to the desired level. Once you get a feel for how much to
add to do that, it is really no big deal, and ballparking the measurement is
acceptable, but may extend the time for your cycle to complete. I never
really took extensive notes when I did it, but, if you wish, feel free. Most
plants will not be harmed by cycling the tank this way. I say most, though I
have never seen one, but there is always the chance that there is one out
there that will.

\\Steve//

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[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of H. B. Pattskyn
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Substrate question - planted tanks

>
> A tank cannot cycle unless there is a source of ammonia for
the
> bacteria to live on and without fish there will not be a source unless
> you add it from some other means.
>

I read about two methods, one adding amonia directly (clear, plain, nothing
added amonia), and another involving "feeding" the empty tank and letting
the fish flakes break down; both involve lots of testing and keeping of
notes because obviously fish don't get added until the amonia is back down
to nothing. Since i have another tank in the house, I've got some "starter"
bacteria although it won't be much to begin w/, since the tank is small...
although I didn't gather that a whole lot was needed, just something to kick
start the process if it was available. I would love to hear from someone who
has actually done fishless cycling (I didn't do any kind of intentional
cycling w/ my daughter's tank, but it only has one fish in it, which I think
is why we didn't have any problems. I grew up around fish tanks, I don't
remember any mention of cycling ever being made. It's good to know about
though.) My understanding is that neither method mentioned above is harmful
to plants.

> I have a nice sunny front window to put the tank up next to,
as
> well as adding grow lights for the plants That is not a good place to
> put a tank because in the summer when the sun does shine in it will
> give enough light so that algae will have a chance to take over the
> tan and also the temp
difference
> could change the temp of the tank so that the fish will become
> stressed and with stress the resistance to diseases will be
lowered.
> Granted a large tank like you have may not be affected too much
there
> is always the possibility that trouble could happen.

The window area is the only location available for a six foot tank.
Not sure how it will affect the tank but we do keep the air on in the
summer. It only gets direct sun for an hour or so in the evenings -- Western
exposure. But regardless, it's the only option and I'm aware of the
importance of keeping an eye on temperature -- and this house is so
inconsistant, no matter what the thermostat says, some rooms are cold and
some rooms are hot.

My personal experience with algea is that it didn't matter what the light
conditions were, we had it in spades. My daughter's little tank has a nice
population of snails that keep it in check and have managed to survive being
eaten by her fish. Since the new tank will also be cool water, so I'll
probably stick w/ snails.

I like the idea of having more than one heater for emergancies (our furnace
went out a few years ago - we were ok bundled up, but my dog has no hair...
he wasn't too happy. I couldn't imagine the problems if we'd had a fish tank
and no heater.) Will check out set up when it arrives and see what I need to
buy.

Where I was having problems was w/ the issue of substrate, but I think I
feel more confident there. The next question is lighting...
I don't see the post I though I put through this morning. If it doesn't come
through, the long and the short of it is that if I'm understanding what I'm
reading correctly, I need 200 watt bulbs (wide spectrum, I've used plant
lights before, just not in an aquarium) and I can't seem to find bulbs w/
the high of wattage. Maybe I'm not understanding what I'm reading because my
experience isn't w/ aquatic gardening. I would very greatly appreciate
advice on the subject of lighting. (I'll be doing low and medium light
plants, 100 gallon
tank.) I remember kelvins from science class, but can really only relate
that to star temperature, not sure how that relates to plants, although I
know the obvious that bright (hot) lights warm up the water, which may
become a condern in the summer months even w/ the air conditioner running
we'll have to see and adjust the tank conditions accordingly... once I
figure out where I'm starting with lighting.

Once again, thank you!!

Helen

> although the tank does have a heater, which is probably good because
> in winter especially my house gets a little chilly.) It would be best
> to have two or more heaters so that if one
goes
> out (does not heat) then the other(s) will keep the tank from going
> down too fast or if one heater sticks on then it will not be able give
> you broiled fish.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@>
wrote:
> >
> > Thank you Beverly for the welcome! :)
> >
> > I'm still in the planning stages and can't seem to get past
what
> to put on the bottom of the tank! The more I read, the more confusing
> it gets. I'm doing a cool water set up, making it easy
on
> myself and planning on buying a collection of plants already put
> together by the nursery (I'll add to later as I become more
confident
> in how to choose plants -- but starting out with a 150 gallon tank,
> the initial planting can be an expert's collection.) After the plants
> have settled in and the tank has cycled, we'll be adding
fish
> (cool water species, obviously -- although the tank does have a
> heater, which is probably good because in winter especially my
house
> gets a little chilly.) I have a nice sunny front window to put
the
> tank up next to, as well as adding grow lights for the plants,
> especially in winter when no window in this house gets any light!
I
> haven't checked out the filter system that comes w/ the set up yet
> (buying used), but will add to as necessary.
> >
> > Any suggestions from real people actually using one substrate
or
> another would be greatly appreciated (as would any other advice --
> this is really new to me, but I appreciate the beauty of a planted
> tank so much more than a "regular" tank, even though it is a good deal
> more expensive to set up. We're taking it in stages and I'm learning
> the value of patience ;)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Helen
> >
> >

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25276 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
I would not even be sure of cork, but, there are barks that would be dangerous to use in a tank with your fish since they would leach toxins to the fish. Cork is soft, and I would think it would be more prone to rotting in a much shorter period of time than the driftwood that is used as aquarium décor.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:36 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Bark background

I recently read an article about using cork bark as a background for
planted aquariums,Can any tree bark be used?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25277 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: Bark background
Steve,

I would have thought with all of your wisdom (aka - old age.. lol) you would
have remembered using a cork when going fishing. Wasn't that you chasing
behind Andy and Opie?

I'm talking about an old fashioned cork... made out of cork tree bark, not
one of them new fangled styrofoam or plastic thingies.

I've never actually used it but in all of my readings, I've seen where
others have used cork as a background and it supposedly lasts a really long
time since cork doesn't absorb water like other woods do.

Here is one of Chuck's Aquarium pages outlining a tank that he used cork
bark as the background in a 46g Paludarium but the cork is both under water
and above it. http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm

The Krib also has an old page about backgrounds and they talk about using
cork and some other DIY ways for attaching the plants to the cork
background. http://www.thekrib.com/TankHardware/backgrounds.html

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Bark background

I would not even be sure of cork, but, there are barks that would be
dangerous to use in a tank with your fish since they would leach toxins to
the fish. Cork is soft, and I would think it would be more prone to rotting
in a much shorter period of time than the driftwood that is used as aquarium
décor.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:36 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Bark background

I recently read an article about using cork bark as a background for planted
aquariums,Can any tree bark be used?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25278 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/3/2008
Subject: Re: want to have live plants got q's 1st
I am a notorious plant killer.


I do manage to keep some plants alive.



Java Moss, hard to kill, reproduces fairly fast, low light demands.

Java Fern, needs little light, reproduces fairly fast.

Any variety of Anubias. Slow growing, needs little light. Hard to kill, don't bury the Rhizome, tie it gently to a rock or driftwood. You can actually attach any of these three I mentioned to rocks or driftwood.

Both Anubias and Java Fern are tough plants that most fish have a hard time trying to eat.

I know the other list members here will give you some great advice on plants, I keep mostly Cichlids and they are known destroyers of plants.

-Mike

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From: ialreadytaken4 <ialreadytaken4@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:18 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] want to have live plants got q's 1st







I HAVE A 75G TANK AND I AM GETTINT TIRED OF THE PLASTIC LOOK HAVE NEVER
REALLY TRIED REAL PLANTS. BOT WILL ING TO TRY ANYTHING ONCE..
IN MY TANK I HAVE 5 BLACK PHANTOMS, 5 ZEBRA DANIOS, 6 WHITE SHIRTS, 2
ANGLES,1 DRAGON GOBY AND I DONT KBOW WHAT TO START OFF WITH ANY ADVICE
IS WELCOME. I DONT WANT TO START OFF WITH SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO
DIE IN A DAY OR TWO.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25279 From: asbo032000 Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group. While your tanks may have been working for
the short
> time that you've had them, you will either need to get much larger
tanks or
> thin out the stocking if you want all of your fish to live out
their full
> potential lifespans.
>
> The "4ft" tanks would need to be around 200G (6' to 8' long tank) to
> adequately house all of the fish you have in each one. The common
plecos
> grow to 18"+ and need 75G per pleco.
>
> The "3ft" tank is much too small for goldfish. Depending on the
type,
> goldfish need 30G to 50G per goldfish and the long bodied varieties
should
> be in a really big tank (or a pond) since they grow to over 12" and
are
> really big-time swimmers compared to their round bodied cousins. A
single
> full grown goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish,
> regardless of body type so even the 30G to 50G per goldfish is
really on the
> low side and needs plenty of filtration and at least weekly 25%
PWC's.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of asbo032000
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:29 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] hEY
>
> Hey ya i've just joined thought i would introduce myself, i have 2x
4ft
> tropical tanks and one 3ft coldwater tank, all been up and running
for
> 3/2 years,
> in one of my 4ft i have, 4 very large angelfish, 2 large comon
plecs, 2 red
> eye tetras and 3 3 spot gormis.
> In my other 4ft i have momstly livebearves, mollies, guppies,zebra
> danons,black widows,neons,2 common plecs,glowlight teras, Harlequin
and
> Buenos aires tetra.
> I have 8 large goldfish in the 3ft.
>
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> 11:29 AM
>
Yes already know about the sizes they grow too, as as we speak he is
buliding some rather big tanks/units lol
my gold fish are about 3in long at the min, there about 3 years old.
My comon plec is about 8in at the min and then when he gets a little
bigger i have a 7ft tank waiting for him, as he was my first fish and
my little baby lol.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25280 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Cork Bark Reference
As I am getting into planted aquariums more,I found this wonderful
article at plantgeek.net.
http://www.plantgeek.net/article_viewer.php?id=13
I have three new aquariums on the way for anyone worried about my
inadequate space for my fish,a 75,60 and a 55.Thanks for the
encouraging note!!!
Sheri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25281 From: pinkvock Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: learning alot
Well guys just want to say how much I appreciate all the knowledge and
time everyone donates on this site. Especially Lenny, you've answered
my posts everytime and I really appreciate it.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25282 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: hEY
Something you can do to help keep the fish from suffering any stress related
issues due to their temporary overcrowding is more frequent PWC's (25%
Partial Water Changes). Especially for the goldfish and pleco and other
large bodied fish that put out lots of waste, hormones, etc., so it's
important to do frequent PWC's to remove/dilute the waste.

If your goldfish are three years old and only 3", they are likely to be
stunted and possibly permanently stunted. Goldfish should grow 90% of their
size in the first 1-2 years in a proper size tank/pond. Most pleco's grow
for longer periods of time so the stunting can be reversed on them if they
get moved to a proper sized tank in time. I rescued a two year old common
pleco who was in a 10G tank for it's first two years and was only 4" long.
After putting him in 4' long, 65G tank, he grew from 4" to 10" in only a
year and a half. Hurricane Katrina messed up my plans for a bigger tank so
I had to rehome him last year since my 65G wasn't big enough for him and my
other fish.

One of the things you said made me think about a common problem that lots of
new fish keepers have. Many folks think they will get a larger tank when
the fish gets bigger but the stunting effect on the fish will keep it from
getting bigger. It's a kind of catch-22 for fish keeping. It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of asbo032000
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 8:40 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: hEY

Yes already know about the sizes they grow too, as we speak he is building
some rather big tanks/units lol my gold fish are about 3in long at the min,
there about 3 years old.
My common plec is about 8in at the min and then when he gets a little bigger
I have a 7ft tank waiting for him, as he was my first fish and my little
baby lol.



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to the group. While your tanks may have been working for
the short
> time that you've had them, you will either need to get much larger
tanks or
> thin out the stocking if you want all of your fish to live out
their full
> potential lifespans.
>
> The "4ft" tanks would need to be around 200G (6' to 8' long tank) to
> adequately house all of the fish you have in each one. The common
plecos
> grow to 18"+ and need 75G per pleco.
>
> The "3ft" tank is much too small for goldfish. Depending on the
type,
> goldfish need 30G to 50G per goldfish and the long bodied varieties
should
> be in a really big tank (or a pond) since they grow to over 12" and
are
> really big-time swimmers compared to their round bodied cousins. A
single
> full grown goldfish is equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish,
> regardless of body type so even the 30G to 50G per goldfish is
really on the
> low side and needs plenty of filtration and at least weekly 25%
PWC's.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
>
>
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>
> Hey ya i've just joined thought i would introduce myself, i have 2x
4ft
> tropical tanks and one 3ft coldwater tank, all been up and running
for
> 3/2 years,
> in one of my 4ft i have, 4 very large angelfish, 2 large comon
plecs, 2 red
> eye tetras and 3 3 spot gormis.
> In my other 4ft i have momstly livebearves, mollies, guppies,zebra
> danons,black widows,neons,2 common plecs,glowlight teras, Harlequin
and
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25283 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Another question - Lighting
I'm just starting out with plants and lighting myself, but I did find this
site interesting. It's a non-scientific comparison between T12, T18, T10,
and CF.

<http://woo.gotdns.com/Aquarium/Lighting.htm>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25284 From: Christine Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: New Goldfish
Well I thought I would share cause its a strange occurance. I work at
Petsmart and we got some fish in the store, wellll... there was a
calico telescope goldfish we couldnt sell because of a birth defect.
He only has one eye!! Well, needless to say he is a part of our happy
family now!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25285 From: bmp Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
Thanks for the links Lynn! I found some good
information at this site, especially when I got to the
calculator that helps me know how many watts I need
for my type of fixture. Fortunately, I'm going to be
in better shape than I expected. Thanks for sharing.

Beverly

--- Lynn Francis <mlfrancis2@...> wrote:

> I'm just starting out with plants and lighting
> myself, but I did find this
> site interesting. It's a non-scientific comparison
> between T12, T18, T10,
> and CF.
>
> <http://woo.gotdns.com/Aquarium/Lighting.htm>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25286 From: Rei - Raymond Tremor Date: 1/4/2008
Subject: Re: Another question - Lighting
I have an eclipse hood with an F18T8 bulb. What is the F18 is it the watt or
the length? I have a 30 gallon with a length of 36 inches. If the F18 is the
watt (like 18 watt), is there a higher output bulb or brighter? I have
plants on my aquarium and the height is 17 inches from top to bottom. The
bulb that came with the hood is kinda dim. Also what watt do I need for the
plants that have bulbs (seeds, like the one on "grow your own live aquarium
plants")?

-------Original Message-------

From: bmp
Date: 1/4/2008 6:22:33 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:Another question - Lighting

Thanks for the links Lynn! I found some good
information at this site, especially when I got to the
calculator that helps me know how many watts I need
for my type of fixture. Fortunately, I'm going to be
in better shape than I expected. Thanks for sharing.

Beverly

--- Lynn Francis <mlfrancis2@...> wrote:

> I'm just starting out with plants and lighting
> myself, but I did find this
> site interesting. It's a non-scientific comparison
> between T12, T18, T10,
> and CF.
>
> <http://woo.gotdns.com/Aquarium/Lighting.htm>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25287 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: learning alot
<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't know of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to "buy a bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult dog, and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same terms for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often make the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their knowledge!

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25288 From: Red Terror Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: information
does anyone here have a diana walstad type of tank? and if anyone here
has a saltwater setup but instead of the usual corals its filled with
macros and/or marine plants? Please share with me your experience for
i am 100% sure its going to help me to become a better custodian of
this natural beauties.

thank you so much for any information

Godbless
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25289 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
This is Lenny's dog typing this....

Hey lady... don't go talking about no kennel around here! I have free reign
of the house and I like it that way. It's bad enough when he puts me in one
of them darn travel cages for long road trips. If he ends up putting me in
a kennel because of your post, I'm going to sniff you down and excessively
fertilize and dig up your flower beds. ruff! ruff!

Barney

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:33 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up
once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't know
of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to "buy a
bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult dog,
and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same terms
for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often make
the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their
knowledge!

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25290 From: bmp Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...>
wrote:

> <<It's best to get
> the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of
> the fish so it can grow
> into the tank without suffering from stunting issues
> from being kept in an
> undersized tank.
...........
> >>I wonder why most people don't
> think in the same terms
> for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first
> time owners often make
> the same mistake.)

Lenny, your outlook on this is perfectly logical,
makes great sense. But, if I may, I will speak up for
those of us who started somewhat smaller and then
bought a larger tank. It's because of the great
uncertainty and insecurity at the beginning as to
whether the fish will survive, much less thrive. And I
doubt anyone at the very, very beginning realizes how
strong the urge will be later to add more variety to
their fishkeeping hobby. And then there is the problem
with inaccurate or unreliable advice being given so
freely in print and online so that it can be hard to
be sure what sort of adult size a given fish will
attain.

Last night I finished setting up the substrate in my
new 55 gallon and added the first plants, plus
'seeding' with goodies from other tanks to start the
tank's cycle. I'm hoping this cycle will go faster
than the previous ones as I feel more comfortable and
a little more confident in how the process works.

Happy Saturday!
Beverly


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25291 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Hey, Lenny's dog! I'm Sneak, the BC amongst a bunch of troublemaking Shelties. My Steve tells me that a kennel is the same thing as a crate, and I love my crate! It is my refuge. I sleep in it nearly every night, and I put myself there. If I need to get away from things, I go in there. No one bothers me, except sometimes Patches goes in there and I have to use his. My mommy locked me in his one night, what a drag. They put me in thee when they leave so I don't get into trouble, but they have a strange definition of "trouble". When I check out the trash, which every self-respecting dog should do, I am in "trouble", things like that. Duke is the only one who does not get put into a crate--ever! But he mostly sleeps, and they call him the "Old Man", and usually gets special treatment over the rest of us, which ain't right. But crates is good things, you should try them more.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:26 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

This is Lenny's dog typing this....

Hey lady... don't go talking about no kennel around here! I have free reign
of the house and I like it that way. It's bad enough when he puts me in one
of them darn travel cages for long road trips. If he ends up putting me in
a kennel because of your post, I'm going to sniff you down and excessively
fertilize and dig up your flower beds. ruff! ruff!

Barney

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:33 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up
once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't know
of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to "buy a
bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult dog,
and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same terms
for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often make
the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their
knowledge!

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25292 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Crates should be just for training. I had a friend who ended up putting her
dog to sleep because, like any living thing, it bit her and her husband as
it grew older and got sick of being shoved into a cage all the time -- dogs
don't deserve prison:). Shouldn't crate training be completed in a few weeks
to months? BUT if you allow them to use it as a safe "cave" type place with
the door open, it sounds great for the doggies:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:00 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Hey, Lenny's dog! I'm Sneak, the BC amongst a bunch of troublemaking
Shelties. My Steve tells me that a kennel is the same thing as a crate, and
I love my crate! It is my refuge. I sleep in it nearly every night, and I
put myself there. If I need to get away from things, I go in there. No one
bothers me, except sometimes Patches goes in there and I have to use his. My
mommy locked me in his one night, what a drag. They put me in thee when they
leave so I don't get into trouble, but they have a strange definition of
"trouble". When I check out the trash, which every self-respecting dog
should do, I am in "trouble", things like that. Duke is the only one who
does not get put into a crate--ever! But he mostly sleeps, and they call him
the "Old Man", and usually gets special treatment over the rest of us, which
ain't right. But crates is good things, you should try them more.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:26 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

This is Lenny's dog typing this....

Hey lady... don't go talking about no kennel around here! I have free reign
of the house and I like it that way. It's bad enough when he puts me in one
of them darn travel cages for long road trips. If he ends up putting me in
a kennel because of your post, I'm going to sniff you down and excessively
fertilize and dig up your flower beds. ruff! ruff!

Barney

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:33 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up
once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't know
of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to "buy a
bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult dog,
and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same terms
for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often make
the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their
knowledge!

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25293 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
(they also locked the dog in when they left - for work or wherever, and only
let her out when they came home. I feel so bad for the dog and the family,
it is really not a good way to have dogs)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:00 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Hey, Lenny's dog! I'm Sneak, the BC amongst a bunch of troublemaking
Shelties. My Steve tells me that a kennel is the same thing as a crate, and
I love my crate! It is my refuge. I sleep in it nearly every night, and I
put myself there. If I need to get away from things, I go in there. No one
bothers me, except sometimes Patches goes in there and I have to use his. My
mommy locked me in his one night, what a drag. They put me in thee when they
leave so I don't get into trouble, but they have a strange definition of
"trouble". When I check out the trash, which every self-respecting dog
should do, I am in "trouble", things like that. Duke is the only one who
does not get put into a crate--ever! But he mostly sleeps, and they call him
the "Old Man", and usually gets special treatment over the rest of us, which
ain't right. But crates is good things, you should try them more.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:26 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

This is Lenny's dog typing this....

Hey lady... don't go talking about no kennel around here! I have free reign
of the house and I like it that way. It's bad enough when he puts me in one
of them darn travel cages for long road trips. If he ends up putting me in
a kennel because of your post, I'm going to sniff you down and excessively
fertilize and dig up your flower beds. ruff! ruff!

Barney

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:33 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up
once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't know
of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to "buy a
bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult dog,
and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same terms
for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often make
the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their
knowledge!

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25294 From: Carmen H Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
I have a pack that voluntarily put themselves to "bed" each night.
It's the only break my poor cats get :-)
A properly crate trained and not over-crated dog will seek it's crate
and see it as a den, not a punishment. It can be used, properly, for
the dog's lifetime. If at any point the dog becomes ill or injured,
or needs to be kenneled for any other reason, it will be less stressed
if the crate is not a foreign or unpleasant environment.
Perhaps their crate was mis-used? Too bad they couldn't work things
out :-( We get in dogs fairly regularly that have to be re-trained
due to crates having been over-used or used as punishment :-(

Carmen and the pack
Pawzie-tively Precious American Eskimo Rescue
www.reskie.com


On Jan 5, 2008 12:06 PM, Beth Lucas <bethmlucas@...> wrote:
> Crates should be just for training. I had a friend who ended up putting her
> dog to sleep because, like any living thing, it bit her and her husband as
> it grew older and got sick of being shoved into a cage all the time -- dogs
> don't deserve prison:). Shouldn't crate training be completed in a few weeks
> to months? BUT if you allow them to use it as a safe "cave" type place with
> the door open, it sounds great for the doggies:)
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25295 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
I know, it is sad. It sounds like you use them in a great way, and any vet
should help retrain a dog with these kind of iissues. But it’s too easy for
people to hear crates are OK, and then use them instead of training their
dogs.:)



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carmen H
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:19 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



I have a pack that voluntarily put themselves to "bed" each night.
It's the only break my poor cats get :-)
A properly crate trained and not over-crated dog will seek it's crate
and see it as a den, not a punishment. It can be used, properly, for
the dog's lifetime. If at any point the dog becomes ill or injured,
or needs to be kenneled for any other reason, it will be less stressed
if the crate is not a foreign or unpleasant environment.
Perhaps their crate was mis-used? Too bad they couldn't work things
out :-( We get in dogs fairly regularly that have to be re-trained
due to crates having been over-used or used as punishment :-(

Carmen and the pack
Pawzie-tively Precious American Eskimo Rescue
www.reskie.com

On Jan 5, 2008 12:06 PM, Beth Lucas <bethmlucas@cox.
<mailto:bethmlucas%40cox.net> net> wrote:
> Crates should be just for training. I had a friend who ended up putting
her
> dog to sleep because, like any living thing, it bit her and her husband as
> it grew older and got sick of being shoved into a cage all the time --
dogs
> don't deserve prison:). Shouldn't crate training be completed in a few
weeks
> to months? BUT if you allow them to use it as a safe "cave" type place
with
> the door open, it sounds great for the doggies:)





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25296 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
If your dog is not crate trained, both you and the dog are headed for
possible problems down the road. All of our dogs go into their crates
willingly, by themselves, or upon command ("go crate"). Crates are not
to be used as punishment devices, but as safe havens for the dogs.
Keeping the dogs in crates while you are away is good for the dogs and
your sanity.

I can't venture a guess as to why the biting incidents occurred, but,
strictly speaking it was no the fault of keeping the dog in a crate, if
he was trained properly to the crate.

Heck, even though it does not happen often any more, the Old Man still
goes into the crate from time to time

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:07 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Crates should be just for training. I had a friend who ended up putting
her
dog to sleep because, like any living thing, it bit her and her husband
as
it grew older and got sick of being shoved into a cage all the time --
dogs
don't deserve prison:). Shouldn't crate training be completed in a few
weeks
to months? BUT if you allow them to use it as a safe "cave" type place
with
the door open, it sounds great for the doggies:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:00 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Hey, Lenny's dog! I'm Sneak, the BC amongst a bunch of troublemaking
Shelties. My Steve tells me that a kennel is the same thing as a crate,
and
I love my crate! It is my refuge. I sleep in it nearly every night, and
I
put myself there. If I need to get away from things, I go in there. No
one
bothers me, except sometimes Patches goes in there and I have to use
his. My
mommy locked me in his one night, what a drag. They put me in thee when
they
leave so I don't get into trouble, but they have a strange definition of
"trouble". When I check out the trash, which every self-respecting dog
should do, I am in "trouble", things like that. Duke is the only one who
does not get put into a crate--ever! But he mostly sleeps, and they call
him
the "Old Man", and usually gets special treatment over the rest of us,
which
ain't right. But crates is good things, you should try them more.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:26 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

This is Lenny's dog typing this....

Hey lady... don't go talking about no kennel around here! I have free
reign
of the house and I like it that way. It's bad enough when he puts me in
one
of them darn travel cages for long road trips. If he ends up putting me
in
a kennel because of your post, I'm going to sniff you down and
excessively
fertilize and dig up your flower beds. ruff! ruff!

Barney

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:33 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

<<It's best to get
the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it can
grow
into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from being kept in
an
undersized tank.
>>


It's also cheaper (and easier) in the long run -- buy it once, set it up
once, and have it over with. It's one of those things though -- I don't
know
of anyone who ever got a puppy and a puppy sized kennel, planning to
"buy a
bigger one" later on -- we just get kennels the right size for an adult
dog,
and that's it - done. I wonder why most people don't think in the same
terms
for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often
make
the same mistake.)

I would also like to second that thank you to everyone sharing their
knowledge!

~Helen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25297 From: Carmen H Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
One of my own dogs was second hand. His original family (mom, dad,
infant and toddler) heard about how great crates are. Figured a puppy
would be managable if you could just throw it in a crate when you were
busy. With 2 working parent and 2 young kids that was literally about
22 hours a day. When we got him he was 100% neurotic and
unsocialized. He's 10 now and pretty awesome, but to this day he
goes totally insane when he sees people of the same ethnic group that
his original owners were :-(


--
Carmen and the pack
Pawzie-tively Precious American Eskimo Rescue
www.reskie.com
Ontario, Canada

On Jan 5, 2008 12:25 PM, Beth Lucas <bethmlucas@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I know, it is sad. It sounds like you use them in a great way, and any vet
> should help retrain a dog with these kind of iissues. But it's too easy for
> people to hear crates are OK, and then use them instead of training their
> dogs.:)
>
> _____
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25298 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
All of our dogs are, technically, rescue dogs. Duke (aka "The Old Man")
came to us via someone Lynne knew. They had Duke and put in for elderly
housing, and were told that they would have a several year wait prior to
getting a unit. Son of a gun, if they didn't get assigned a unit a few
months later. They had to give up Duke, and Lynne took him some 12
years, or so, ago. When we moved down to Northern VA, we took him
downtown (otherwise, to the rest of the world, known as Washington, DC,
and took pictures of him in front of, or on. all the monuments around
the mall. Lynne is in touch with the woman who was his original mom, and
she still shows those pictures to all who will look <g>.

Patches came to us through Sheltie Rescue. He came from a puppy mill via
a pet shop that finally lowered his price so much that someone purchased
him. They were unable to keep him properly and kept him crated most of
the time. He had a lot of problems when he came to us, but Lynne worked
with him and overcame most of the problems, though he sometimes reverts
a bit. He was afraid of almost everything, which caused him to be a bit
on the nippy side. It took her two weeks to get him to walk down the
front walk, because he was afraid of walking on concrete, and so on and
so forth. He also shows signs of having been beaten.

Finally, we have Sneak, who came from a Wisconsin shelter where he was
about to be put down. He was supposed to be a fighter, and cat killer.
He is neither, but one of the sweetest dogs you'll ever meet. He is the
youngest, and like the BC before him, has decided he is my dog, much to
Lynne's chagrin. After all, she is the dog person here. He was
definitely abused prior to being turned into the shelter. As far as
being a cat killer, well, he does respect our 20 lb. cat, and tries to
avoid him when he can.. He also has shown no signs of aggressiveness
since he has been here, other than the normal BC trait of all toys
belong to me.

The cat, a Ragdoll, is our last surviving feline since I had to put down
Mai-Hesa last year. As mentioned, Raginald T. von Floppy is a 20# cat
that takes no crap from anyone, never mind the dogs. He and Patches used
to play together, with Rags most often coming out on top. He likes to
hide down the hall when we are tossing toys for the dogs, and spring out
at them as they go racing down the hall, which of course means they try
to slam on the sneakers (on vinyl), with appropriate hilarity following.

All the dogs are crate trained, and only Duke does not go into the crate
on his own now, he used to, but he is old, and going deaf, as well as
somewhat arthritic. It is a good thing that he knows his hand signals to
come and sit and all that. A good reason for teachine hand signals to
your dogs.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Carmen H
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

One of my own dogs was second hand. His original family (mom, dad,
infant and toddler) heard about how great crates are. Figured a puppy
would be managable if you could just throw it in a crate when you were
busy. With 2 working parent and 2 young kids that was literally about
22 hours a day. When we got him he was 100% neurotic and
unsocialized. He's 10 now and pretty awesome, but to this day he
goes totally insane when he sees people of the same ethnic group that
his original owners were :-(


--
Carmen and the pack
Pawzie-tively Precious American Eskimo Rescue
www.reskie.com
Ontario, Canada

On Jan 5, 2008 12:25 PM, Beth Lucas <bethmlucas@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I know, it is sad. It sounds like you use them in a great way, and any
vet
> should help retrain a dog with these kind of iissues. But it's too
easy for
> people to hear crates are OK, and then use them instead of training
their
> dogs.:)
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25299 From: ipartyforfun Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: learning alot
Beth,


Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25300 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn’t
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don’t feel like training
them to do.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25301 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now…does anyone have a good fish topic we
can discuss?



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn’t
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don’t feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25302 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Dogfish anyone?

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish topic we
can discuss?



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25303 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things are
“trained” to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It’s just sad when people don’t feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease the
humans who have come home.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now…does anyone have a good fish topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn’t
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don’t feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25304 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25305 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25306 From: Bobby & Jennifer Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note
outside my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure
if anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching
the house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not
left to run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who
broke in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.



Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.



Jenn



PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25307 From: Warren Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: New to the group
Hi every one, I am glad to be a part of the groug and look forword to
sharing the experiance of keeping fish and learning from you all...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25308 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Can we Start Talking about Ham Radio????

John in Nevada

Bobby & Jennifer <Gittieup@...> wrote:
My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note
outside my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure
if anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching
the house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not
left to run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who
broke in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25309 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Remember that you need to supply a source of ammonia to the new tank to get
it cycling. Just seeding it with filter media or substrate from a cycled
tank will do nothing to keep it cycled. The nitrifying bacteria will die
off within a few days if they are not fed ammonia, which is converted to
nitrite to feed the main two-three nitrifying bacteria.

Also, if one is fishless cycling a tank, it's best NOT to add plants as the
plants will feed off of the ammonia lowering the ammonia level available for
the nitrifying bacteria colony you are trying to grow. Now if you add
enough plants to a new tank, there is no need to cycle it at all as the
plants will consume all of the ammonia before the nitrogen cycle can work.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bmp
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 10:23 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot


--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
wrote:

> <<It's best to get
> the proper sized tank for the expected adult size of the fish so it
> can grow into the tank without suffering from stunting issues from
> being kept in an undersized tank.
...........
> >>I wonder why most people don't
> think in the same terms
> for fish (and for that matter reptiles, whose first time owners often
> make the same mistake.)

Lenny, your outlook on this is perfectly logical, makes great sense. But, if
I may, I will speak up for those of us who started somewhat smaller and then
bought a larger tank. It's because of the great uncertainty and insecurity
at the beginning as to whether the fish will survive, much less thrive. And
I doubt anyone at the very, very beginning realizes how strong the urge will
be later to add more variety to their fishkeeping hobby. And then there is
the problem with inaccurate or unreliable advice being given so freely in
print and online so that it can be hard to be sure what sort of adult size a
given fish will attain.

Last night I finished setting up the substrate in my new 55 gallon and added
the first plants, plus 'seeding' with goodies from other tanks to start the
tank's cycle. I'm hoping this cycle will go faster than the previous ones as
I feel more comfortable and a little more confident in how the process
works.

Happy Saturday!
Beverly


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25310 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Barney has been reprimanded for replying to the mention of a kennel in the
post earlier today. It's Barney's fault for starting this ruckus and he
apologizes and promises to never get on the computer without adult
supervision. He says he was just making conversation. He has been advised
that he will be put in a crate if he gets online again without adult
supervision.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JOHN KD7POE
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 5:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Can we Start Talking about Ham Radio????

John in Nevada

Bobby & Jennifer <Gittieup@... <mailto:Gittieup%40aristotle.net> >
wrote:
My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note outside
my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure if
anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching the
house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not left to
run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who broke
in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into our
townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke out. The
neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to go in and
pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding the crates
because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not have to worry
about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for their own safety,
not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not get into trouble on
their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish topic
we can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if they are
used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew of was not. Dogs
need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not more so at times. We have
crate trained all of our dogs, and at night if they are not already there,
we tell them its time to go to their room and go to bed and off they go. It
is never used as a punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats
the mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are not
left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or when we can
take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a crate wehn
they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is well socialized. If
your house is burgularized while you are away, you won't come home to having
to hunt down Fido as well as discover what has been taken. (Have been there
several years ago) If your house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your
neighbors /emerg personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than
what bed he is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25311 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
I still don't think an animal should live its life in a cage on the rare
chance of a fire. That is awful when it happens, but worse stuff is sure to
happen by caging animals.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bobby & Jennifer
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note
outside my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure
if anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching
the house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not
left to run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who
broke in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25312 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
And btw, if the dog or cat runs outside, the people can grab it then, I have
never been to the scene of a fire, and I have been to many for my job as
well, where the people were just ignoring the doors.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JOHN KD7POE
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot



Can we Start Talking about Ham Radio????

John in Nevada

Bobby & Jennifer <Gittieup@aristotle. <mailto:Gittieup%40aristotle.net> net>
wrote:
My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note
outside my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure
if anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching
the house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not
left to run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who
broke in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into
our townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke
out. The neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to
go in and pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding
the crates because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not
have to worry about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for
their own safety, not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not
get into trouble on their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things
are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their
dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being
incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease
the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish
topic we
can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if
they are used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew
of was not. Dogs need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not
more so at times. We have crate trained all of our dogs, and at
night if they are not already there, we tell them its time to go to
their room and go to bed and off they go. It is never used as a
punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats the
mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are
not left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or
when we can take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a
crate wehn they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is
well socialized. If your house is burgularized while you are away,
you won't come home to having to hunt down Fido as well as discover
what has been taken. (Have been there several years ago) If your
house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your neighbors /emerg
personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than what bed he
is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25313 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Totally off topic.. crates...
;) first: LOL -- thanks for the good laugh...

my dog only gets crated when we're going to be out of the house for more than a few minutes -- it's as much for his saftey as that of our stuff. He gets treats going into it, so he doesn't complain one bit (in fact as soon as he sees I'm dressed to go out he starts dancing around, looking at me, looking at the crate, looking at me, looking at the crate...)

Beverly -- I know what you mean about being uncertain; I have this fear that I'm going to get everything set up and the fish are going to die... I had a horrible experience w/ the outdoor pond. I keep telling myself to be brave, that the indoor tank is much more controllable. I ended up back at the store I went to for pond fish... turns out they've got a great selection of aquarium plants and all kinds of goodies...

Thanks again,
Helen (and her dog...er... maybe that should be zoo...)


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25314 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
Just playing devil's advocate... what about our fish? We cage them in their
tanks.

As Barney (my dog) said, in the earlier reply that started this discussion,
he likes having free reign of the house but I understand others concerns and
their want or need to use a kennel/cage. I do use short-leashing as a
training and behavior modification (aka punishment) method, which while it's
not in a cage, he is still confined to a very small area so he loses his
free reign of the house. I liken it to sending your kids to their bedroom
with no TV, telephone, radio or computer, when they are disobedient.

I think all the alarm or worry about a fire is a little chicken-little-ish.
Can it happen? Sure. Does it happen? Not very often. I was having a
similar discussion with my insurance agent concerning the rates for part of
my business services... lawn care service. He brought up the fact that a
rock could put out someone's eye. On any given weekend for 6-9 months of
the year, there are millions of people cutting their grass. I don't see a
lot of people wearing patches from losing an eye.

Someone mentioned caging their dogs so that the dogs wouldn't get loose in
the event of a burglar. That's defeating the purpose of having a dog as a
deterrent to burglars. Evidence shows that dogs are the biggest deterrent
to a burglar compared to locks, alarms, bars, etc.

That's the thing I worry about when I have Barney short-leashed... that he
can't get me some burglar DNA (aka skin and blood) when the bum tries to
break into my house. Barney doesn't know it but when I have him
short-leashed, if he pulls hard enough, like I know he would do if someone
was trying to get into my home, the short-leash would come free. I hope he
doesn't read this. ;-)

Remember in the first paragraph, I did mention fish so I tried to get back
on topic. :-P

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I still don't think an animal should live its life in a cage on the rare
chance of a fire. That is awful when it happens, but worse stuff is sure to
happen by caging animals.

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Bobby & Jennifer
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note outside
my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure if
anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching the
house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not left to
run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who broke
in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into our
townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke out. The
neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to go in and
pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding the crates
because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not have to worry
about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for their own safety,
not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not get into trouble on
their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish topic
we can discuss?

_____

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yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if they are
used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew of was not. Dogs
need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not more so at times. We have
crate trained all of our dogs, and at night if they are not already there,
we tell them its time to go to their room and go to bed and off they go. It
is never used as a punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats
the mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are not
left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or when we can
take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a crate wehn
they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is well socialized. If
your house is burgularized while you are away, you won't come home to having
to hunt down Fido as well as discover what has been taken. (Have been there
several years ago) If your house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your
neighbors /emerg personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than
what bed he is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25315 From: ipartyforfun Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: Totally off topic.. crates...
Helen,

You saying that about your pond made me laugh, not at your situation
but mine... this summer we did a new pond with a water fall right
off the walkway to our front door, VERY beautiful to see when
approaching the door. I planted around it and and was sooo proud of
myself. A few of my tiny fish dissapeared, and I couldn't figure
out why. Then my favorite little koi dissapeared, so I went to
investigate further to see if he had jumped out and underneath
the "waterfall" part..and was BIT on my face by a cottonmouth snake.
Talk about surprised!!!!

I'm a little leary about this summer but its too pretty to take out!!

Jenn



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>
> ;) first: LOL -- thanks for the good laugh...
>
> my dog only gets crated when we're going to be out of the house
for more than a few minutes -- it's as much for his saftey as that
of our stuff. He gets treats going into it, so he doesn't complain
one bit (in fact as soon as he sees I'm dressed to go out he starts
dancing around, looking at me, looking at the crate, looking at me,
looking at the crate...)
>
> Beverly -- I know what you mean about being uncertain; I have
this fear that I'm going to get everything set up and the fish are
going to die... I had a horrible experience w/ the outdoor pond. I
keep telling myself to be brave, that the indoor tank is much more
controllable. I ended up back at the store I went to for pond
fish... turns out they've got a great selection of aquarium plants
and all kinds of goodies...
>
> Thanks again,
> Helen (and her dog...er... maybe that should be zoo...)
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25316 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/5/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
The room dogs have in an entire house is about the same as I provide my fish
in their tanks:) I am not saying let the dogs run wild throughout the city:)

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Just playing devil's advocate... what about our fish? We cage them in their
tanks.

As Barney (my dog) said, in the earlier reply that started this discussion,
he likes having free reign of the house but I understand others concerns and
their want or need to use a kennel/cage. I do use short-leashing as a
training and behavior modification (aka punishment) method, which while it's
not in a cage, he is still confined to a very small area so he loses his
free reign of the house. I liken it to sending your kids to their bedroom
with no TV, telephone, radio or computer, when they are disobedient.

I think all the alarm or worry about a fire is a little chicken-little-ish.
Can it happen? Sure. Does it happen? Not very often. I was having a
similar discussion with my insurance agent concerning the rates for part of
my business services... lawn care service. He brought up the fact that a
rock could put out someone's eye. On any given weekend for 6-9 months of
the year, there are millions of people cutting their grass. I don't see a
lot of people wearing patches from losing an eye.

Someone mentioned caging their dogs so that the dogs wouldn't get loose in
the event of a burglar. That's defeating the purpose of having a dog as a
deterrent to burglars. Evidence shows that dogs are the biggest deterrent
to a burglar compared to locks, alarms, bars, etc.

That's the thing I worry about when I have Barney short-leashed... that he
can't get me some burglar DNA (aka skin and blood) when the bum tries to
break into my house. Barney doesn't know it but when I have him
short-leashed, if he pulls hard enough, like I know he would do if someone
was trying to get into my home, the short-leash would come free. I hope he
doesn't read this. ;-)

Remember in the first paragraph, I did mention fish so I tried to get back
on topic. :-P

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I still don't think an animal should live its life in a cage on the rare
chance of a fire. That is awful when it happens, but worse stuff is sure to
happen by caging animals.

_____

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[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Bobby & Jennifer
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

My next door neighbor is a firefighter, my best friends husband is a
firefighter, and we help out a local volunteer firefighter group and have
heard so many, sad stories of family crying about there pets because they
can't be found, only to find them too late hiding under a bed, under a
table, etc because they are terrified. Not all dogs will "run out a door,
especially if they can't see it, smell outside etc. I do have a note outside
my front and back door stating what room the crates are in, I'm sure if
anything does happen, they will be much easier to locate than searching the
house over. Also, when we were broke into, my dog was crated and not left to
run the streets with the front door being open, since the person who broke
in had a gun, and my little Yorkie could have possibly been shot when
growling at the person. The rottie, who was not crated was injured by being
kicked in the face. For some of us this works, and is not being cruel or
inhuman to our pets.

Why argue about this, just accept that there are some who do this like it
was intended, and others unfortunately do not. There are so many dogs less
attended to in outdoor kennels or backyards, chained or un chained, or in
some instances people's households running around loose. I could understand
if this was a discussion with someone who was not tending to their animals,
but it sounds like your defenses are being made to people to genuinely care
about their pets.

Jenn

PS My fish were unharmed during the break in! Hooray!

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

The ASPCA will provide anyone who contacts them, with recognizable stickers
you place in a front window or door so firefighters will know you have pets
inside. The pets don't have to be in cages to be rescued, if they're not in
cages they can sometimes get out themselves, or run for the doors once
opened by the rescuers.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

We had a fire in the townhouse next door, and they needed to get into our
townhouse to ensure the fire did not spread, and to let the smoke out. The
neighbors told them of our dogs, and Animal control was able to go in and
pull out the crates with the dogs. They had no trouble finding the crates
because of the ruckus the dogs made, but they also did not have to worry
about being harmed by them either. The dogs are crated for their own safety,
not only for that kind of reason, but so they do not get into trouble on
their own, and access something they should not.
There is a reason why Sneak has that name.

FWIW, my other half has her own dog training business.

\\Steve//

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[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

I just commented on goldfish a bit ago. It makes me very sad when people
leave their pets in cages when they are at work, even if the poor things are
"trained" to put up with it. I know people who have crate trained their dogs
in a couple of weeks, and they behave incredibly, without being incarcerated
when my friends are not home. It's just sad when people don't feel like
doing that, and just let the dogs out of their cages in order to appease the
humans who have come home.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for your thoughts Beth:-). Now...does anyone have a good fish topic
we can discuss?

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:45 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Thanks for repeating my point! Dogs must be trained, not just thrown in
crates every time you leave. And even crate trained dogs shouldn't
constantly live in those things every time you step outside. Dogs can be
trained to not do a lot of the bad deeds people don't feel like training
them to do.

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of ipartyforfun
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:13 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:learning alot

Beth,

Crate traiing is a very safe, secure and humane method for dogs if they are
used properly, which it sounds like the situation you knew of was not. Dogs
need "their" space as much as we humans do, if not more so at times. We have
crate trained all of our dogs, and at night if they are not already there,
we tell them its time to go to their room and go to bed and off they go. It
is never used as a punishment spot because its their "safe" place. And thats
the mistake alot of people make.

As far as putting them in when we are gone, we do that too. They are not
left in there excessivebly and are with us when we are home, or when we can
take them with us ie grandparents house.
Several things to think of when a person puts there animal in a crate wehn
they leave, if it is being done properly and the dog is well socialized. If
your house is burgularized while you are away, you won't come home to having
to hunt down Fido as well as discover what has been taken. (Have been there
several years ago) If your house falls victim to fire, tornado etc, your
neighbors /emerg personnel will better be able to find Fido's crate than
what bed he is hiding under from fear to try and get him out.
Its not all bad if used in the correct manner if was intended.

Jenn


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25317 From: Colby Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Electric eels, et. al.
I am interested in getting an aquarium when I get a place of my own,
and I was hoping someone could give me some info. There are two
particular species that I am interested in. The first is the Chinese
Dragonfish, and the other is the electric eel. I already know that for
the electric eel, I will need at least a 100 g. tank, but what other
specs would the aquarium need? If anyone has ever had, or even handled
an electric eel? What requirements would I need for a lionfish?
Please help.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25318 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: HI URGENT QUESTION
i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was
now it has turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now
all over its body it also seems to have some white film or substance
over its eyes and its tail seems to be damaged like another fish
attacked it
in addition i have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the
4th is the newest and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the
others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him
so he could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok
but the next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so
i had to separate them again im starting to think the small one is
starting the attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting
and its not like they are hungry because i feed them twice a day
thank you
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25319 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
You’re not serious that he’s in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION



i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was
now it has turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now
all over its body it also seems to have some white film or substance
over its eyes and its tail seems to be damaged like another fish
attacked it
in addition i have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the
4th is the newest and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the
others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him
so he could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok
but the next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so
i had to separate them again im starting to think the small one is
starting the attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting
and its not like they are hungry because i feed them twice a day
thank you





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25320 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Oops, I think I misread – it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself – The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION



You’re not serious that he’s in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was
now it has turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now
all over its body it also seems to have some white film or substance
over its eyes and its tail seems to be damaged like another fish
attacked it
in addition i have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the
4th is the newest and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the
others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him
so he could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok
but the next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so
i had to separate them again im starting to think the small one is
starting the attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting
and its not like they are hungry because i feed them twice a day
thank you

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25321 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
99% of goldfish health problems are a result of water quality issues from
keeping them overstocked or in an undersized tank. Tell us more about your
set up. I'm presuming you don't have it in with the piranhas.

Your 55G is not nearly big enough for four piranha. Even one would need
more than a 55G since they grow to 12" each. They are fighting because of
basic Darwinism... survival of the fittest. They know they can't all live
in that 55G tank so one or more of them are trying to kill of the
competition for space.

Same with the goldfish.

If you keep fish in overstocked or undersized tanks, there's not much anyone
can do to keep them from getting sick due to the stress resulting in immune
system problems in the fish. Unless you have a way to do plumbing so the
tanks are getting a constant inflow of fresh water so the fish waste,
hormones, etc., wouldn't build up to a level where the fish get stressed.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25322 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread – it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself – The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You’re not serious that he’s in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25323 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25324 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Electric eels, et. al.
You are asking about 3 different fish here. The fist is an Arowana, some
species of this fish are protected under CITES. The second, is also a
freshwater fish, and the third is a saltwater, or marine, fish. All the
fish hae very different requirements to keep, and need large tanks. The
Arowana can have other fish with it, so long as they are large enough
not to be thought of as lunch. The electric eel is best kept by itself,
and the third is also best kept by itself so far as I know--I am not a
marine person.

I'd suggest you get your feet wet, so to speak, with other, more common,
and less demanding, fish before you tackle any of the above, so you get
an understanding of fish and how to keep them in an aquarium. You can,
if you still want to, move gradually up to these guys over time, as you
becoame more experienced, if you still hae the urge to keep them.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Colby
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:18 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Electric eels, et. al.

I am interested in getting an aquarium when I get a place of my own,
and I was hoping someone could give me some info. There are two
particular species that I am interested in. The first is the Chinese
Dragonfish, and the other is the electric eel. I already know that for
the electric eel, I will need at least a 100 g. tank, but what other
specs would the aquarium need? If anyone has ever had, or even handled
an electric eel? What requirements would I need for a lionfish?
Please help.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25325 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25326 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25327 From: Beth Lucas Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
(And also a 30 gallon and a 20 gallon among those guys. I adopted some of
them who looked terrible in places like Walmart, etc. where I won't shop
now. I know it's not good to get too small a tank, but I try to get 10
gallons per fish for now, and I don't think they will be stunted before I
move in 6 months. I have already shopped for a nice 300 gallon tank I want
to use for them -- but that may be too small under your assumptions?


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25328 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
It's "best" to put them in their proper sized home with proper stocking for
their expected adult size while they are young so they can grow into the
tank without the possibility or likelihood of suffering from stunting
issues.

With 16 goldfish in two 50G tanks, the goldfish are constantly emitting
hormones and when these hormone levels reach a certain level, it stresses
the fish and tells them to quit growing... thus starting the stunting
process. You can minimize the stunting process by doing frequent PWC's to
dilute/remove the hormones so there sensory organs do not realize how
cramped they are.

Goldfish, like most fish, are supposed to grow the most during their first
1-2 years and should reach 90% of their full adult size in this period but
most goldfish end up being stunted to some degree because they are kept in
overstocked tanks at the wholesale and retail levels and then many of them
continue to be kept in undersized tanks in our homes until we learn better
goldfish husbandry.

Since you are technically four times overstocked with eight fish in each 50G
tank, you should do four times the recommended PWC's, gravel vacuuming and
filter maintenance to compensate. This will keep the hormone levels low
enough so that the fish do not realize how technically overcrowded they are.


You could also use advanced chemical filtration like Purigen or other
advanced chemical filtration which will help with removing the DOC's between
PWC's. I recommend Purigen over simple chemical filtration like activated
carbon because Purigen can be easily cleaned and recharged using household
bleach in a solution so it's much cheaper in the long run.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25329 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
Once they fish reach adult size, they can technically be a little
overstocked as long as proper tank maintenance is performed so you may well
be able to have all of the fish in a 300G tank, although I wouldn't
recommend it.

It's in the critical early months and years where it's important not to
overstock them so they do not get stunted. A stunted fish will have a much
shorter lifespan and likely have many more health problems than a
non-stunted fish.

Once the fish reach adulthood, the overcrowding will still cause stress
issues but if they weren't stunted in their early months/years, they will
generally be healthier fish and their immune systems will better be able to
handle any health issues as a result of the stress. It's best not to
overstock and keep things simple for you and the fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:41 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

(And also a 30 gallon and a 20 gallon among those guys. I adopted some of
them who looked terrible in places like Walmart, etc. where I won't shop
now. I know it's not good to get too small a tank, but I try to get 10
gallons per fish for now, and I don't think they will be stunted before I
move in 6 months. I have already shopped for a nice 300 gallon tank I want
to use for them -- but that may be too small under your assumptions?


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25330 From: Angela Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [AquaticLife] Electric eels, et. al.
Lionfish can be kept with other fish, but you have to be very careful what
you mix them with. Most often they seem to be kept alone or with other
lionfish in a reef tank. Saltwater is very complicated and gets VERY
expensive quickly.. Even with a small tank. Small is NOT the way to start
saltwater either. I have had a 90gal reef tank with a 55gal sump for years
and finally just took it down last year. Just too much work and money to
keep up with right now. Smaller tanks are honestly worse as less water
volume is harder to keep stable. Do a LOT of serious research before you get
into salterwater and make sure it's a commitment you can make. Do NOT go to
your local LFS and have them guide you, in most cases you will not get good
advice. Good luck!
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Steve Szabo
Date: 01/06/08 15:16:52
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] RE: [AquaticLife] Electric eels, et. al.

You are asking about 3 different fish here. The fist is an Arowana, some
species of this fish are protected under CITES. The second, is also a
freshwater fish, and the third is a saltwater, or marine, fish. All the
fish hae very different requirements to keep, and need large tanks. The
Arowana can have other fish with it, so long as they are large enough
not to be thought of as lunch. The electric eel is best kept by itself,
and the third is also best kept by itself so far as I know--I am not a
marine person.

I'd suggest you get your feet wet, so to speak, with other, more common,
and less demanding, fish before you tackle any of the above, so you get
an understanding of fish and how to keep them in an aquarium. You can,
if you still want to, move gradually up to these guys over time, as you
becoame more experienced, if you still hae the urge to keep them.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Colby
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:18 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Electric eels, et. al.

I am interested in getting an aquarium when I get a place of my own,
and I was hoping someone could give me some info. There are two
particular species that I am interested in. The first is the Chinese
Dragonfish, and the other is the electric eel. I already know that for
the electric eel, I will need at least a 100 g. tank, but what other
specs would the aquarium need? If anyone has ever had, or even handled
an electric eel? What requirements would I need for a lionfish?
Please help.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25331 From: diane none Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
i was told it is better when buying fish to buy 3 or more at 1 time so they adjust better to their new home. (they are less likely to fight if they have their "friends" with them) also couldnt the film on the fish be ick?

rcdtrc <rcdtrc@...> wrote: i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was
now it has turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now
all over its body it also seems to have some white film or substance
over its eyes and its tail seems to be damaged like another fish
attacked it
in addition i have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the
4th is the newest and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the
others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him
so he could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok
but the next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so
i had to separate them again im starting to think the small one is
starting the attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting
and its not like they are hungry because i feed them twice a day
thank you






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25332 From: William Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
It is not always best to buy several of the same type of fish so that
they can keep company. A good case in point is the Betta where they
do not like to have other male bettas around them. Yes there are
several types of fish that are called schooling and they do best in
groups of three or more but not all fish are schooling fish.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, diane none <diane_20007@...>
wrote:
>
> i was told it is better when buying fish to buy 3 or more at 1
time so they adjust better to their new home. (they are less likely
to fight if they have their "friends" with them) also couldnt the
film on the fish be ick?
>
> rcdtrc <rcdtrc@...> wrote: i have a 6 inch comet goldfish
that is white or at least was
> now it has turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible
now
> all over its body it also seems to have some white film or
substance
> over its eyes and its tail seems to be damaged like another fish
> attacked it
> in addition i have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank
the
> 4th is the newest and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the
> others are almost 3 inches
> when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated
him
> so he could heal once he did i let him back in and everything
seemed ok
> but the next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and
so
> i had to separate them again im starting to think the small one is
> starting the attacks and today the other three seemed to be
fighting
> and its not like they are hungry because i feed them twice a day
> thank you
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25333 From: Kit Mus Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
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"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:
Once they fish reach adult size, they can technically be a little
overstocked as long as proper tank maintenance is performed so you may well
be able to have all of the fish in a 300G tank, although I wouldn't
recommend it.

It's in the critical early months and years where it's important not to
overstock them so they do not get stunted. A stunted fish will have a much
shorter lifespan and likely have many more health problems than a
non-stunted fish.

Once the fish reach adulthood, the overcrowding will still cause stress
issues but if they weren't stunted in their early months/years, they will
generally be healthier fish and their immune systems will better be able to
handle any health issues as a result of the stress. It's best not to
overstock and keep things simple for you and the fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:41 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

(And also a 30 gallon and a 20 gallon among those guys. I adopted some of
them who looked terrible in places like Walmart, etc. where I won't shop
now. I know it's not good to get too small a tank, but I try to get 10
gallons per fish for now, and I don't think they will be stunted before I
move in 6 months. I have already shopped for a nice 300 gallon tank I want
to use for them -- but that may be too small under your assumptions?


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off
in ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish
in a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a
lot of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they
are only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25334 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: HI URGENT QUESTION
There is no rule about "3 or more". Some fish need to be in schools of six
or more. Some fish in shoals of five or more. Others in shoals of three or
more. Other fish as mated pairs and yet other fish need to be isolated.

Each species has it's own general rules but the fish don't always read the
same material that we do so sometimes they don't follow the rules either.

The best thing to do is read a few reputable profiles on the fish you are
interested in and then prepare accordingly. One good source of reputable
profiles is http://fish.mongabay.com where you can search by common or
scientific name. I like Mongabay profiles because they also recommend
minimum tank sizes and give species compatibility information so you will
know if they are compatible with other fish that you have or may be
considering.

For catfish, you can use PlanetCatfish.com or PlecoFanatics.com. For fish
that you do not find on Mongabay or the other sites, then put in the
'species name' of the fish with the word 'profile' in a Google search and
you will come up with dozens of profiles. You will have to filter through
the good ones and the bad ones out there.

Do not generally trust retail sites for profile or care sheet information.
They almost always recommend less than what is needed. They are partially
motivated to sell fish so they may not want to tell someone that is buying a
goldfish that they need a 55G tank when they can sell them a 10G goldfish
starter kit knowing they will become attached to the goldfish and have to
come back and buy the 55G tank set up later on. Unfortunately, the goldfish
gets stunted living in the 10G starter tank and will never live out it's
full potential.

Last but not least, you can always ask out here and I'm sure one of the
members can give you good advice.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of diane none
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:25 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i was told it is better when buying fish to buy 3 or more at 1 time so they
adjust better to their new home. (they are less likely to fight if they have
their "friends" with them) also couldnt the film on the fish be ick?

rcdtrc <rcdtrc@... <mailto:rcdtrc%40yahoo.com> > wrote: i have a 6
inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has turned redish
its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its body it also
seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and its tail seems
to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i have 4 RBP's red
belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest and smaller than
the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches when i
introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he could
heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the next day
him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to separate them
again im starting to think the small one is starting the attacks and today
the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like they are hungry
because i feed them twice a day thank you

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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Kit Mus
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:16 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
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WHAT DO I DO TO GET UNSUBSCRIBED??
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"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>
> wrote:
Once they fish reach adult size, they can technically be a little
overstocked as long as proper tank maintenance is performed so you may well
be able to have all of the fish in a 300G tank, although I wouldn't
recommend it.

It's in the critical early months and years where it's important not to
overstock them so they do not get stunted. A stunted fish will have a much
shorter lifespan and likely have many more health problems than a
non-stunted fish.

Once the fish reach adulthood, the overcrowding will still cause stress
issues but if they weren't stunted in their early months/years, they will
generally be healthier fish and their immune systems will better be able to
handle any health issues as a result of the stress. It's best not to
overstock and keep things simple for you and the fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:41 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

(And also a 30 gallon and a 20 gallon among those guys. I adopted some of
them who looked terrible in places like Walmart, etc. where I won't shop
now. I know it's not good to get too small a tank, but I try to get 10
gallons per fish for now, and I don't think they will be stunted before I
move in 6 months. I have already shopped for a nice 300 gallon tank I want
to use for them -- but that may be too small under your assumptions?

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

So even if you have two inch goldfish, they need a 55 gallon for the two of
them, in your opinion? Mine are thriving and growing and very healthy. I
plan to get a larger tank when I move, but they share two 50 gallons for now
among 16 mostly two inch or smaller goldfish -- one is about three inches.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Technically, they need the same kind of water volume since they have the
same body mass as their long bodied cousins but fancies do not swim around
as much or as fast as common goldfish or comets so they can get by with a
shorter tank. That formula is applicable to fancy goldfish as well.

If you have adequate filtration (10X) and do weekly PWC's with gravel
vacuuming and filter maintenance, fancies can do well with two of them in a
55G or larger. The frequent 25% PWC's mimics a larger water volume by
removing/diluting the DOC's, hormones, etc.

The main thing is to start them off in the proper sized tank so they do not
get stunted which leads to health issues and fancy goldfish already have
enough chance at health issues due to the inbreeding necessary to achieve
their fancy status. This is why fancy goldfish usually only have a maximum
lifespan of 10-15 years where long bodied goldfish have a 20++ year
lifespan.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Sorry, I only know fancies :) I was thinking of its current size, to get it
out of immediate danger. How large would you say fancies need per fish, I
want to make sure I am providing enough room:)

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:56 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Actually, a 6" comet needs a lot more than 30G. Any long-bodied goldfish
needs 50-75G as a bare minimum, with lots of filtration and PWC's... and at
least a 6' long tank since they are such fast swimmers. They are best off in
ponds.

Remember that goldfish grow eight times in body mass for each time they
double their length. So a 2" goldfish is equal to eight 1" goldfish. A 4"
goldfish is equal to eight 2" goldfish or 64 1" goldfish. A 6" goldfish is
equal to hundreds of 1" goldfish. We wouldn't put hundreds of 1" goldfish in
a 30G tank even though I know that some pet stores do it but they have a lot
of filtration and usually a sump system with added water volume and they are
only keeping the fish a short period of time in those overstocked
conditions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 1:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

Oops, I think I misread - it sounds like he IS separate, I think. But it
still sounds like classic symptoms from water quality issues. At his size he
probably needs at least a 30 gallon to himself - The red veins and tail
ripping are signs of bad water, but if he has film over his eyes he may also
need an antibiotic treatment to help recover as his water gets better.
Goldfish need tons of room, lots of air. Good luck!!

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
] On Behalf Of Beth Lucas
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:38 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

You're not serious that he's in with piranhas, are you? It sounds more like
ammonia poisoning than an attack, though, if those fish are all getting real
big for the 55 gallon. I hope the little guy feels better:-)

_____

From: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of rcdtrc
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: AquaticLife@ yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i have a 6 inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has
turned redish its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its
body it also seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and
its tail seems to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i
have 4 RBP's red belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest
and smaller than the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches
when i introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he
could heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them again im starting to think the small one is starting the
attacks and today the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like
they are hungry because i feed them twice a day thank you

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25336 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Adding New Fish in Multiples
There is a guideline for African cichlids that if you are adding fish to an
established tank, add more than one (the more the better) because a single
new fish might be singled out by the established community for harassment.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:27 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

There is no rule about "3 or more". Some fish need to be in schools of six
or more. Some fish in shoals of five or more. Others in shoals of three or
more. Other fish as mated pairs and yet other fish need to be isolated.

Each species has it's own general rules but the fish don't always read the
same material that we do so sometimes they don't follow the rules either.

The best thing to do is read a few reputable profiles on the fish you are
interested in and then prepare accordingly. One good source of reputable
profiles is http://fish.mongabay.com where you can search by common or
scientific name. I like Mongabay profiles because they also recommend
minimum tank sizes and give species compatibility information so you will
know if they are compatible with other fish that you have or may be
considering.

For catfish, you can use PlanetCatfish.com or PlecoFanatics.com. For fish
that you do not find on Mongabay or the other sites, then put in the
'species name' of the fish with the word 'profile' in a Google search and
you will come up with dozens of profiles. You will have to filter through
the good ones and the bad ones out there.

Do not generally trust retail sites for profile or care sheet information.
They almost always recommend less than what is needed. They are partially
motivated to sell fish so they may not want to tell someone that is buying a
goldfish that they need a 55G tank when they can sell them a 10G goldfish
starter kit knowing they will become attached to the goldfish and have to
come back and buy the 55G tank set up later on. Unfortunately, the goldfish
gets stunted living in the 10G starter tank and will never live out it's
full potential.

Last but not least, you can always ask out here and I'm sure one of the
members can give you good advice.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of diane none
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:25 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION

i was told it is better when buying fish to buy 3 or more at 1 time so they
adjust better to their new home. (they are less likely to fight if they have
their "friends" with them) also couldnt the film on the fish be ick?

rcdtrc <rcdtrc@... <mailto:rcdtrc%40yahoo.com> > wrote: i have a 6
inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has turned redish
its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its body it also
seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and its tail seems
to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i have 4 RBP's red
belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest and smaller than
the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches when i
introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so he could
heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the next day
him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to separate them
again im starting to think the small one is starting the attacks and today
the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like they are hungry
because i feed them twice a day thank you

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25337 From: William Date: 1/6/2008
Subject: Re: Adding New Fish in Multiples
Something to remember when adding new fish to a tank with aggressive
fish is to feed the fish (while acclimating the new fish) and when
the acclimation is done then you will add the new fish and turn out
the lights. But before you do this you should rearrange the tank so
that the fish that are in there will have to sort out a new home
place. It somewhat puts all the fish on equal footing.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> There is a guideline for African cichlids that if you are adding
fish to an
> established tank, add more than one (the more the better) because a
single
> new fish might be singled out by the established community for
harassment.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:27 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION
>
> There is no rule about "3 or more". Some fish need to be in
schools of six
> or more. Some fish in shoals of five or more. Others in shoals of
three or
> more. Other fish as mated pairs and yet other fish need to be
isolated.
>
> Each species has it's own general rules but the fish don't always
read the
> same material that we do so sometimes they don't follow the rules
either.
>
> The best thing to do is read a few reputable profiles on the fish
you are
> interested in and then prepare accordingly. One good source of
reputable
> profiles is http://fish.mongabay.com where you can search by common
or
> scientific name. I like Mongabay profiles because they also
recommend
> minimum tank sizes and give species compatibility information so
you will
> know if they are compatible with other fish that you have or may be
> considering.
>
> For catfish, you can use PlanetCatfish.com or PlecoFanatics.com.
For fish
> that you do not find on Mongabay or the other sites, then put in the
> 'species name' of the fish with the word 'profile' in a Google
search and
> you will come up with dozens of profiles. You will have to filter
through
> the good ones and the bad ones out there.
>
> Do not generally trust retail sites for profile or care sheet
information.
> They almost always recommend less than what is needed. They are
partially
> motivated to sell fish so they may not want to tell someone that is
buying a
> goldfish that they need a 55G tank when they can sell them a 10G
goldfish
> starter kit knowing they will become attached to the goldfish and
have to
> come back and buy the 55G tank set up later on. Unfortunately, the
goldfish
> gets stunted living in the 10G starter tank and will never live out
it's
> full potential.
>
> Last but not least, you can always ask out here and I'm sure one of
the
> members can give you good advice.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of diane none
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 5:25 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] HI URGENT QUESTION
>
> i was told it is better when buying fish to buy 3 or more at 1 time
so they
> adjust better to their new home. (they are less likely to fight if
they have
> their "friends" with them) also couldnt the film on the fish be
ick?
>
> rcdtrc <rcdtrc@... <mailto:rcdtrc%40yahoo.com> > wrote: i have a 6
> inch comet goldfish that is white or at least was now it has turned
redish
> its veins or something seem to be visible now all over its body it
also
> seems to have some white film or substance over its eyes and its
tail seems
> to be damaged like another fish attacked it in addition i have 4
RBP's red
> belly piranhas in a 55 gallon tank the 4th is the newest and
smaller than
> the rest around 2 inches and the others are almost 3 inches when i
> introduced him to the tank they attacked him so i separated him so
he could
> heal once he did i let him back in and everything seemed ok but the
next day
> him n 2 others had parts of their tail missing and so i had to
separate them
> again im starting to think the small one is starting the attacks
and today
> the other three seemed to be fighting and its not like they are
hungry
> because i feed them twice a day thank you
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25338 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: overstocking
I just wanted to say thanks to Lenny for that last one...even though I didn't ask the initial question (this time ;) and even though I'm not exactly over-stocking my tank, I know it might have been better with a few more gallons but only have so big a living room (tank ended up not in front of window; room had to be re-arranged, husband rolling eyes... sigh. He's a good egg.) Anyway, I just wanted to say thanks because I know by some standards the 100 gallon tank will be overcrowded even with only two large fish -- which is the plan, two and only two (and by other standards it will be just fine, there's a lot of conflict on the other fish list I'm on), but you're the first person to talk about exactly why fish start to "feel" overcrowded even if by all accounts they seem to have enough room to move around.

Helen



<<Goldfish, like most fish, are supposed to grow the most during their first
1-2 years and should reach 90% of their full adult size in this period but
most goldfish end up being stunted to some degree because they are kept in
overstocked tanks at the wholesale and retail levels and then many of them
continue to be kept in undersized tanks in our homes until we learn better
goldfish husbandry.

Since you are technically four times overstocked with eight fish in each 50G
tank, you should do four times the recommended PWC's, gravel vacuuming and
filter maintenance to compensate. This will keep the hormone levels low
enough so that the fish do not realize how technically overcrowded they are.

You could also use advanced chemical filtration like Purigen or other
advanced chemical filtration which will help with removing the DOC's between
PWC's. I recommend Purigen over simple chemical filtration like activated
carbon because Purigen can be easily cleaned and recharged using household
bleach in a solution so it's much cheaper in the long run.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny. blogspot. com
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25339 From: Kevin Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: learning alot
I concur. This group is very friendly and informative. And I find it
quite interesting to read the different posts and interactions.

Very informative group.

Thanks!



> Well guys just want to say how much I appreciate all the knowledge
and
> time everyone donates on this site. Especially Lenny, you've
answered
> my posts everytime and I really appreciate it.
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25340 From: Roberto Marchesini Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Hi everyone!
Hi listers!

New to the group here! By now I only own a male beta, but I am pretty
interested on 4 eyes and american cyclids culture.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25341 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/7/2008
Subject: Re: Hi everyone!
Welcome to the group. If by American, you are including North and South, you might want to start near the beginning by following this link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=qIwOAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA39&dq=ted+betty+aquarium+chameleon&lr=&as_brr=0

For sure the above will wrap in some, if not most mail readers, so here is the TinyURL to use so you don't have to do the copy/paste thing:
http://tinyurl.com/25dk3o

Read "Ted and Betty, The Chameleon Fishes".

The fish written about have the scientific name of _ Australoheros facetus_ now.

Cichlids are interesting fish, as are bettas. As you move from bettas to other fish in larger quarters, you will find that many things you have learned keeping betas will apply to other fish as well. Above all, be sure to research every step of the way. You need not go back to an October 1895 periodical, for information, as the behaviors of this fish are adequately covered in more recent publications, but it is kind of fun. FWIW, there are mentions of this fish in earlier America publications, but this is the earliest one available online for all to read. Don't be afraid to ask questions here, and elsewhere, as this is a good method of gathering information. With aquariums and fish we are not only dealing with a life form not like us, but an alien environment as well, and there is lots to learn.

\\Steve//
While there may be no such thing as a dumb question,
there are certainly dumb answers.

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Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 1:21 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Hi everyone!

Hi listers!

New to the group here! By now I only own a male beta, but I am pretty
interested on 4 eyes and american cyclids culture.



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25342 From: taman.airku Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Hi !
Hi Every One !

I'am from Indonesia.

I'am new in this forum and i'd like to share all about aquarium,
especially about aquarium design.

Now, my friend and i are planning to make bussiness about aquarium
design in our town (Bandung)

So, i will appreciate if u wanna share about aquarium design with me.

Thanks :)

Best Regards,

Taman Air
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25343 From: brian_patrick_pierce06 Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: looking for advice with my betta
Hi. I'm new to the group, my name is Brian, its nice to meet all of you. anyway, I recently
purchased a crowntail betta male from Petco. I got him a week ago saturday, so I've had
him for about 10 days now. He's not eating. before I got him, I filled a 2.5 gallon tank
with tap water and then treated it with "Betta-Safe". I let that sit out for a day. the next
day, I picked up Atlas (my new fish) and brought him home, at which point I let him into
his new tank.

now before getting Atlas, I had little knowledge about Bettas and had believed that there
wasn't really much to know. I had Captain Morgan, my last betta for 5 years. I had
inherited him and he was already in a tank (2.5 gallons) and had food that he was being
fed, so I just figured he seemed fine so he must be fine. I changed the water once a week
and fed him 4 pellets every night.

anyway, Atlas has taught me that there is more to know about fish than I ever imagined. I
tried to feed him a few times each day, and he never even seemed interested. after about
5 days, I called Petco to ask what I should do. They told me that he's fine and that I
should tease him with the food, sort of poke at it in the water. that didn't work. I then
called another specialty aquatic life store because I figured that they would probably know
a bit more about him than the teenagers at petco. they told me that it may be a
temperature issue, so I bought a thermometer. his temp was approx 64 degrees (F). they
told me that this is a bit cold for a betta and to shine a lamp on the tank. after a few days
of that not increasing the temp, I did some research and bought an aquarium heater (7.5
watt hydor mini heater). I also tried some betta revive.

yesterday, about 9 days after getting Atlas, he seems like he wants to eat. he'll take a
piece of food (I've tried pellets and bloodworms) and then just spit it out.
Last night however, he did keep a bloodworm down, but after he ate it, he did this odd sort
of head-bobbing thing. today he hasn't taken any food.

now I'm not 100% sure how much to feed him, he is very small, about half the size of
Captain Morgan was. I think he's still pretty young.

he seems to be more interested in the worms than the pellets. is it okay to feed just
freeze dried bloodworms?

also, if he doesn't take food again, how long can he go without??

thank you all for any advice you may have
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25344 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
It's good that you got the heater but I believe those types of heaters will
only raise the water temp a few degrees over room temp so you may need to do
more. What has the temperature been throughout the course of a day. Test
it every few hours and post your findings. You want the water temperature
to remain as consistent as possible so do not rely on a light for heating
since the water will then drop in temp when the light is off at night.

Also, it's not good to do 100% water changes as that can change the water
parameters (pH, temp, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, hardness, etc.) too much,
too fast, and that is not good for fish either. For a 2.5G with one Betta,
you would probably be better doing twice weekly 1G PWC's (partial water
changes). This would be a 40% PWC and even that is a little on the high
side so if you could do 2-3 .5G PWC's a week, that would be even better.
The reason I was leaning towards a 1G PWC is that you would be better able
to vacuum more of the detritus (fish waste, uneaten food, etc.) out of the
substrate.

The one other thing that would help your little tank out a lot would be a
small filter system... usually the kind that would sit inside the tank.
They have them for around $5.00 to $10.00 in my area. They are operated by
a small air pump (included) and this would create a little water circulation
as well as filtering the water. This would keep the little tank "cycled"
(The Nitrogen Cycle) which would keep the ammonia/nitrite at 0.0ppm so the
fish does not have to deal with those toxins.

Another thing you could do is add a couple of small live plants which would
add O2 to the water and help remove the bad things like
ammonia/nitrite/nitrate. I use to put a few stalks of Anacharis in my Betta
tank as it is easy to grow and grows fast so it sucks up more nutrients.
Bettas really like live plants or some kind of soft broad leaf silk plants
and will lay on them like a hammock when resting.

Bettas have very small stomachs so they do not need much food. Only put one
piece of food at a time and if it does not eat, do not add more as this will
cause water quality issues. Fish can go a couple of weeks without eating so
it's not a major issue yet. If you are doing 100% water changes, you could
be causing osmoregulatory shock issues to him by changing the water
parameters too much and he may not be eating due to these shock issues which
is another reason for doing more frequent but smaller PWC's.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of brian_patrick_pierce06
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:29 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] looking for advice with my betta

Hi. I'm new to the group, my name is Brian, its nice to meet all of you.
anyway, I recently purchased a crowntail betta male from Petco. I got him a
week ago saturday, so I've had him for about 10 days now. He's not eating.
before I got him, I filled a 2.5 gallon tank with tap water and then treated
it with "Betta-Safe". I let that sit out for a day. the next day, I picked
up Atlas (my new fish) and brought him home, at which point I let him into
his new tank.

now before getting Atlas, I had little knowledge about Bettas and had
believed that there wasn't really much to know. I had Captain Morgan, my
last betta for 5 years. I had inherited him and he was already in a tank
(2.5 gallons) and had food that he was being fed, so I just figured he
seemed fine so he must be fine. I changed the water once a week and fed him
4 pellets every night.

anyway, Atlas has taught me that there is more to know about fish than I
ever imagined. I tried to feed him a few times each day, and he never even
seemed interested. after about
5 days, I called Petco to ask what I should do. They told me that he's fine
and that I should tease him with the food, sort of poke at it in the water.
that didn't work. I then called another specialty aquatic life store because
I figured that they would probably know a bit more about him than the
teenagers at petco. they told me that it may be a temperature issue, so I
bought a thermometer. his temp was approx 64 degrees (F). they told me that
this is a bit cold for a betta and to shine a lamp on the tank. after a few
days of that not increasing the temp, I did some research and bought an
aquarium heater (7.5 watt hydor mini heater). I also tried some betta
revive.

yesterday, about 9 days after getting Atlas, he seems like he wants to eat.
he'll take a piece of food (I've tried pellets and bloodworms) and then just
spit it out.
Last night however, he did keep a bloodworm down, but after he ate it, he
did this odd sort of head-bobbing thing. today he hasn't taken any food.

now I'm not 100% sure how much to feed him, he is very small, about half the
size of Captain Morgan was. I think he's still pretty young.

he seems to be more interested in the worms than the pellets. is it okay to
feed just freeze dried bloodworms?

also, if he doesn't take food again, how long can he go without??

thank you all for any advice you may have


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25345 From: Nur Kahnert Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
You might have bougth an old/sick fish already from
Petco, the way they treatment is not really impressive
at all. You still got 4 days to return it. within the
two week exchange.


--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...>
wrote:

> It's good that you got the heater but I believe
> those types of heaters will
> only raise the water temp a few degrees over room
> temp so you may need to do
> more. What has the temperature been throughout the
> course of a day. Test
> it every few hours and post your findings. You want
> the water temperature
> to remain as consistent as possible so do not rely
> on a light for heating
> since the water will then drop in temp when the
> light is off at night.
>
> Also, it's not good to do 100% water changes as that
> can change the water
> parameters (pH, temp, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate,
> hardness, etc.) too much,
> too fast, and that is not good for fish either. For
> a 2.5G with one Betta,
> you would probably be better doing twice weekly 1G
> PWC's (partial water
> changes). This would be a 40% PWC and even that is
> a little on the high
> side so if you could do 2-3 .5G PWC's a week, that
> would be even better.
> The reason I was leaning towards a 1G PWC is that
> you would be better able
> to vacuum more of the detritus (fish waste, uneaten
> food, etc.) out of the
> substrate.
>
> The one other thing that would help your little tank
> out a lot would be a
> small filter system... usually the kind that would
> sit inside the tank.
> They have them for around $5.00 to $10.00 in my
> area. They are operated by
> a small air pump (included) and this would create a
> little water circulation
> as well as filtering the water. This would keep the
> little tank "cycled"
> (The Nitrogen Cycle) which would keep the
> ammonia/nitrite at 0.0ppm so the
> fish does not have to deal with those toxins.
>
> Another thing you could do is add a couple of small
> live plants which would
> add O2 to the water and help remove the bad things
> like
> ammonia/nitrite/nitrate. I use to put a few stalks
> of Anacharis in my Betta
> tank as it is easy to grow and grows fast so it
> sucks up more nutrients.
> Bettas really like live plants or some kind of soft
> broad leaf silk plants
> and will lay on them like a hammock when resting.
>
> Bettas have very small stomachs so they do not need
> much food. Only put one
> piece of food at a time and if it does not eat, do
> not add more as this will
> cause water quality issues. Fish can go a couple of
> weeks without eating so
> it's not a major issue yet. If you are doing 100%
> water changes, you could
> be causing osmoregulatory shock issues to him by
> changing the water
> parameters too much and he may not be eating due to
> these shock issues which
> is another reason for doing more frequent but
> smaller PWC's.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of brian_patrick_pierce06
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:29 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] looking for advice with my
> betta
>
> Hi. I'm new to the group, my name is Brian, its nice
> to meet all of you.
> anyway, I recently purchased a crowntail betta male
> from Petco. I got him a
> week ago saturday, so I've had him for about 10 days
> now. He's not eating.
> before I got him, I filled a 2.5 gallon tank with
> tap water and then treated
> it with "Betta-Safe". I let that sit out for a day.
> the next day, I picked
> up Atlas (my new fish) and brought him home, at
> which point I let him into
> his new tank.
>
> now before getting Atlas, I had little knowledge
> about Bettas and had
> believed that there wasn't really much to know. I
> had Captain Morgan, my
> last betta for 5 years. I had inherited him and he
> was already in a tank
> (2.5 gallons) and had food that he was being fed, so
> I just figured he
> seemed fine so he must be fine. I changed the water
> once a week and fed him
> 4 pellets every night.
>
> anyway, Atlas has taught me that there is more to
> know about fish than I
> ever imagined. I tried to feed him a few times each
> day, and he never even
> seemed interested. after about
> 5 days, I called Petco to ask what I should do. They
> told me that he's fine
> and that I should tease him with the food, sort of
> poke at it in the water.
> that didn't work. I then called another specialty
> aquatic life store because
> I figured that they would probably know a bit more
> about him than the
> teenagers at petco. they told me that it may be a
> temperature issue, so I
> bought a thermometer. his temp was approx 64 degrees
> (F). they told me that
> this is a bit cold for a betta and to shine a lamp
> on the tank. after a few
> days of that not increasing the temp, I did some
> research and bought an
> aquarium heater (7.5 watt hydor mini heater). I also
> tried some betta
> revive.
>
> yesterday, about 9 days after getting Atlas, he
> seems like he wants to eat.
> he'll take a piece of food (I've tried pellets and
> bloodworms) and then just
> spit it out.
> Last night however, he did keep a bloodworm down,
> but after he ate it, he
> did this odd sort of head-bobbing thing. today he
> hasn't taken any food.
>
> now I'm not 100% sure how much to feed him, he is
> very small, about half the
> size of Captain Morgan was. I think he's still
> pretty young.
>
> he seems to be more interested in the worms than the
> pellets. is it okay to
> feed just freeze dried bloodworms?
>
> also, if he doesn't take food again, how long can he
> go without??
>
> thank you all for any advice you may have
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25346 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Endlers Question
I recently purchased two pair of Endler's for my 55-gallon established (for around 10 years) heavily planted tank. I am amazed at the size difference between the males and females - the females are at least twice the size of the males. Is this common? Just wondering if I got different ages because the gals are so much bigger?

I am also very happy because I am getting a 29 gallon tank, complete with stand and all accessories, for free tomorrow. I placed a WANTED post on my local Freecycle list and somebody had this setup in their basement gathering dust (though they had it set up six months ago with no leakage). I always check Craigslist but have not had any luck there.

Maybe it is karma - I recently posted an OFFER on another local Freecycle list giving away a 20 gallon high tank that developed a leak around six inches up. I figured somebody could use it for frogs or something.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25347 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Small Planted Tank Question
I came across a really good deal last week (clearance sale) and made what is probably a silly buy. It is just a cute one-gallon tank. I went ahead, added established water and gravel from my 55 gallon tank, added some live plants and got ready to install the cover only to find out that there is no light fixture for the top. DARN!

I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and added a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a Betta but it is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish stores). Now because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep it near a window to get all the light that it can being that I can't supply it via the hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae? I could bring it to work and set it under an overhead cupboard (Cubicle Hell) flourascent light but would prefer to keep it at home.

Any suggestions?

One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so many LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should only have one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25349 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Endlers Question
Hi Paula,

Yes that is their normal size. Great little fish.
I used to have a couple tanks of them. When buying them make sure they are not hybridized with guppies. All to0 common to mix these and continue selling them as Endlers.

If they are not pure they are merely guppies.

Someday I will get another tank of them, right now I have too many tanks and need to downsize for an upcoming move.

-Mike


recently purchased two pair of Endler's for my 55-gallon established (for around 10 years) heavily planted tank. I am amazed at the size difference between the males and females - the females are at least twice the size of the males. Is this common? Just wondering if I got different ages because the gals are so much bigger?



-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Brown <browngip@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:52 pm
Subject: [AquaticLife] Endlers Question






I recently purchased two pair of Endler's for my 55-gallon established (for around 10 years) heavily planted tank. I am amazed at the size difference between the males and females - the females are at least twice the size of the males. Is this common? Just wondering if I got different ages because the gals are so much bigger?

I am also very happy because I am getting a 29 gallon tank, complete with stand and all accessories, for free tomorrow. I placed a WANTED post on my local Freecycle list and somebody had this setup in their basement gathering dust (though they had it set up six months ago with no leakage). I always check Craigslist but have not had any luck there.

Maybe it is karma - I recently posted an OFFER on another local Freecycle list giving away a 20 gallon high tank that developed a leak around six inches up. I figured somebody could use it for frogs or something.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25350 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Be careful with it near the window. You can cook the little fella when it gets too warm. One gallon can heat up quickly!

Depending on the plants you may be able to get away with the light in the room.

If you look around you can find small lights that will attache to the side of the tank. Azoo makes them for their small tanks, mini flourescent that attaches to the side with a flexible arm. I used to have one, worked pretty good.

-Mike


I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and added a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a Betta but it is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish stores). Now because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep it near a window to get all the light that it can being that I can't supply it via the hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae? I could bring it to work and set it under an overhead cupboard (Cubicle Hell) flourascent light but would prefer to keep it at home.




-----Original Message-----
From: Paula Brown <browngip@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:58 pm
Subject: [AquaticLife] Small Planted Tank Question






I came across a really good deal last week (clearance sale) and made what is probably a silly buy. It is just a cute one-gallon tank. I went ahead, added established water and gravel from my 55 gallon tank, added some live plants and got ready to install the cover only to find out that there is no light fixture for the top. DARN!

I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and added a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a Betta but it is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish stores). Now because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep it near a window to get all the light that it can being that I can't supply it via the hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae? I could bring it to work and set it under an overhead cupboard (Cubicle Hell) flourascent light but would prefer to keep it at home.

Any suggestions?

One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so many LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should only have one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?

Paula in Monroe, Michigan





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25351 From: bmp Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Cutting the back strip on a Versa Top
Hi everyone,

Today I received the new equipment for my new
tank--exciting! I wonder if anyone has any tips on the
best way to cut away parts of a glass cover/Versa
Top's back strip to allow room for filter, heater,
etc. I have tried ordinary scissors, tin snips (but
the long handles are awkward) and a Swiss Army knife
but none of these was really easy. It was hard also to
cut a straight, smooth edge. Any ideas?

Beverly

Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25352 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
I pronounce it like Beta as in the old Beta/VHS... although you're showing your age with that one... as am I since I knew what you were talking about. LOL It would be better to compare it to Beta computer programs which are those still in the testing phase. That we, we appear younger since we know computer lingo. ;-)

Google's definition, via Answers.com, says I am wrong and pronounces it as "bet·ta (bĕt'ə)" per http://www.answers.com/betta&r=67 (You can even click the little speaker icon to hear the pronunciation). Whenever you are curious about a word, just type it into a Google search and then on the top left of the results page, you will see a link to "definition" which will bring up the definition page on Answers.com.

To me a bet-ta (bettor) is someone who bets on a competition but of course, since these were originally called Siamese Fighting Fish, I'm sure some people used to bet on the outcome of their fights so maybe that is where the new common name comes from... or maybe it's something far less cynical... like the genus name, Betta Splendens. LOL

If you keep him in the 1G, don't put it in direct sunlight as that would possibly heat up the 1G too fast. The fluorescent lighting at your office is good for many easy to grow low-light plants as would the indirect natural lighting.

I think you should hit freecycle again and find a 10G set up with a heater and filter for him and then you could add something else to the tank besides Mr. Betta. I have a 10G stocking list on my blog which has some suitable suggestions as tank mates for a male Betta.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:59 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Small Planted Tank Question

I came across a really good deal last week (clearance sale) and made what is probably a silly buy. It is just a cute one-gallon tank. I went ahead, added established water and gravel from my 55 gallon tank, added some live plants and got ready to install the cover only to find out that there is no light fixture for the top. DARN!

I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and added a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a Betta but it is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish stores). Now because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep it near a window to get all the light that it can being that I can't supply it via the hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae? I could bring it to work and set it under an overhead cupboard (Cubicle Hell) flourascent light but would prefer to keep it at home.

Any suggestions?

One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so many LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should only have one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?

Paula in Monroe, Michigan


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25353 From: tteitgen Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Aquarium Trim
Can someone tell me where I can buy the trim piece that goes around the
top of my 55 gal tank. The center piece is broken and the light and
covers do not fit properly anymore. Or any DIY solutions. Thanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25354 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Trim
One place that sells tank parts is http://www.GlassCages.com but I am sure
there are many others.

I would probably just repair the center piece using a piece of hard plastic
as a splint and glue it on top of the broken piece using a two-part epoxy or
even aquarium safe silicone would work since it's not a heavy load bearing
section but it does provide some support.

You definitely want this piece repaired before filling the tank as I've seen
pictures of tanks where the front and rear glasses are bowing out badly to
the point of failing.

Here's a couple of sites I have in my favorites folder about tank repair
that may give more info.

http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107

http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of tteitgen
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:36 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Trim

Can someone tell me where I can buy the trim piece that goes around the top
of my 55 gal tank. The center piece is broken and the light and covers do
not fit properly anymore. Or any DIY solutions. Thanks


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25355 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium Trim
I had to cut mine on a brand new tank (cool in-tank background) and my
husband did the splint thing, but he used pop rivets to secure the splint.
I think he was afraid glue would not hold.

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 9:39 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Trim

One place that sells tank parts is http://www.GlassCages.com but I am sure
there are many others.

I would probably just repair the center piece using a piece of hard plastic
as a splint and glue it on top of the broken piece using a two-part epoxy or
even aquarium safe silicone would work since it's not a heavy load bearing
section but it does provide some support.

You definitely want this piece repaired before filling the tank as I've seen
pictures of tanks where the front and rear glasses are bowing out badly to
the point of failing.

Here's a couple of sites I have in my favorites folder about tank repair
that may give more info.

http://www.aquamaniacs.net/forum/cms_view_article.php?aid=107

http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/aquariumdiy/a/aa031302.htm

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of tteitgen
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:36 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium Trim

Can someone tell me where I can buy the trim piece that goes around the top
of my 55 gal tank. The center piece is broken and the light and covers do
not fit properly anymore. Or any DIY solutions. Thanks


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25356 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
As Paul Loiselle once said, "He who pronounces the name the loudest is
the most correct." I usually go with bet - ta, which as lenny obliquely
points out is really bettor with a Boston accent.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this man, a very brief glimpse
is given at http://nyaquarium.com/287230/fishynamesake
And you can also check out some of the titles he has authored,
co-authored, edited by searching for Paul Loiselle on amazon.com in the
books section.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:59 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Small Planted Tank Question

I came across a really good deal last week (clearance sale) and made
what is probably a silly buy. It is just a cute one-gallon tank. I
went ahead, added established water and gravel from my 55 gallon tank,
added some live plants and got ready to install the cover only to find
out that there is no light fixture for the top. DARN!

I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and added
a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a Betta but it
is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish stores). Now
because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep it near a window
to get all the light that it can being that I can't supply it via the
hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae? I could bring it
to work and set it under an overhead cupboard (Cubicle Hell) flourascent
light but would prefer to keep it at home.

Any suggestions?

One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always pronounced
it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so many LFS
people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should only have
one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25357 From: Jodi Lynn Reeves Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Adding a under the gravel filter
My tank does not have a under gravel filter. I have a HOB filter now. I
wanted to add one. But I read about you guys saying not to disrput the
cycle. How do I properly add the filter without disrupting the cycle or
taking everything out and putting it all back in. I did not think that
I would not have to change all of the water but I would have to take
out the decorations and rocks. I do my pwc with my son. He and I really
enjoy doing that on Sunday. Plus then I use the water to water my house
plants. Double usage. We do not have a pet store in my small town. So I
have not reduced the fish in my tank. I just wanted to make it as safe
and best for them as possible. Sunday is our pet day. That is the day
that we also give the dog a bath. And give any meds to the dog and
cats. Thanks for the help, Jodi.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25358 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/8/2008
Subject: Re: Adding a under the gravel filter
It's a good idea to copy/paste all of the pre-existing posts/thread, or at
least the pertinent parts, into any new post since many of us read the posts
via email so I do not remember what all was said in this thread except for
the new post you just sent.

Do you already own the UGF? Did you buy it or get it for free?

It's probably better to put a UGF in a new tank before setting it up for
fish... if you are set on having a UGF. I find that other filter systems
are easier to maintain. To add one now would mean breaking down your tank
completely. You could do it but you would first have to get a holding tank
and move everything from your tank to the holding tank, then put in the UGF,
then move everything back. It seems like a lot of work to me. Why not just
add another HOB filter or a canister filter if you want more filtration on
the tank? Or wait till you get a bigger tank and set up the bigger tank
with the UGF and other filter systems and then move the fish.

If you are thinking about adding more filtration because your fish are
overstocked and if you are on a budget... and who isn't... I think I would
try to save up for a bigger tank rather than adding more filtration to a
smaller tank... unless you plan to do both and the added filtration is just
a short term plan until you get a larger tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jodi Lynn Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Adding a under the gravel filter

My tank does not have a under gravel filter. I have a HOB filter now. I
wanted to add one. But I read about you guys saying not to disrput the
cycle. How do I properly add the filter without disrupting the cycle or
taking everything out and putting it all back in. I did not think that I
would not have to change all of the water but I would have to take out the
decorations and rocks. I do my pwc with my son. He and I really enjoy doing
that on Sunday. Plus then I use the water to water my house plants. Double
usage. We do not have a pet store in my small town. So I have not reduced
the fish in my tank. I just wanted to make it as safe and best for them as
possible. Sunday is our pet day. That is the day that we also give the dog a
bath. And give any meds to the dog and cats. Thanks for the help, Jodi.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25359 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Cutting the back strip on a Versa Top
I've had the most luck with kitchen sheers. The pair I have have has thin
blades about 3" long. Even then I don't get a factory looking cut, but it's
in the back of the tank out of sight so I've never worried about it too
much.




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25360 From: mlfrancis2001 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: looking for advice with my betta
I bought two of those little heaters and promptly took them back to the
store. They do not regulate the temperature worth a darned. I caught
them making good five degree swings from night to day in a 5 gallon
tank. I knew 7.5 watts sounded very low to me, but the package said
for 2-5gallon tanks so I thought I would give them a try.

My favorite heater at the moment is the Visitherm Stealth. I have four
tanks ranging from 5gal to 90gal all with different size stealths
(5w/gallon) all set to 75 degrees. I'm not joking or exagerating when
I say I've checked the tanks to find them all within 1 degree of 75 and
all within 2 degrees of each other. I'm very happy with the heaters so
far.

The smallest they make is the 25wat and that's 8" long so it may be too
big wattage and size wise for a 2.5 gallon tank, but if you get a
larger tank, keep them in mind.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25361 From: William Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
I don't think that it matters as long as everyone knows what you are
talking about. It is not as though the same fish is being called by
many different names like the largemouth bass that has at least 8 and
maybe more names that it goes by in different parts of the United
States. Whether you call it Beta or Betta is not that much different
to cause a fight on which is right or wrong.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> I pronounce it like Beta as in the old Beta/VHS... although you're
showing your age with that one... as am I since I knew what you were
talking about. LOL It would be better to compare it to Beta
computer programs which are those still in the testing phase. That
we, we appear younger since we know computer lingo. ;-)
>
> Google's definition, via Answers.com, says I am wrong and
pronounces it as "bet·ta (bĕt'ə)" per
http://www.answers.com/betta&r=67 (You can even click the little
speaker icon to hear the pronunciation). Whenever you are curious
about a word, just type it into a Google search and then on the top
left of the results page, you will see a link to "definition" which
will bring up the definition page on Answers.com.
>
> To me a bet-ta (bettor) is someone who bets on a competition but of
course, since these were originally called Siamese Fighting Fish, I'm
sure some people used to bet on the outcome of their fights so maybe
that is where the new common name comes from... or maybe it's
something far less cynical... like the genus name, Betta Splendens.
LOL
>
> If you keep him in the 1G, don't put it in direct sunlight as that
would possibly heat up the 1G too fast. The fluorescent lighting at
your office is good for many easy to grow low-light plants as would
the indirect natural lighting.
>
> I think you should hit freecycle again and find a 10G set up with a
heater and filter for him and then you could add something else to
the tank besides Mr. Betta. I have a 10G stocking list on my blog
which has some suitable suggestions as tank mates for a male Betta.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paula Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:59 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Small Planted Tank Question
>
> I came across a really good deal last week (clearance sale) and
made what is probably a silly buy. It is just a cute one-gallon tank.
I went ahead, added established water and gravel from my 55 gallon
tank, added some live plants and got ready to install the cover only
to find out that there is no light fixture for the top. DARN!
>
> I decided to keep it anyways (being that I had it all set up) and
added a male Betta to it (I don't think one gallon is great for a
Betta but it is certainly better than those nasty bowls at the fish
stores). Now because of the live plants, I am thinking I should keep
it near a window to get all the light that it can being that I can't
supply it via the hood. Is this a good idea or am I asking for algae?
I could bring it to work and set it under an overhead cupboard
(Cubicle Hell) flourascent light but would prefer to keep it at home.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always
pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by
so many LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta
should only have one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?
>
> Paula in Monroe, Michigan
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25363 From: Andreas Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: nano cubes
Hello all

I want to get a friend a small low maintainance tank in which I want to
place some anubias and low maintainance fish.

20 gallon size

any recommendation which one is the best of the "nano cubes"

which one has the best lighting, do any have PH controllers / co2 injectors?

thanks

Andreas


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25364 From: pbarry717 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Moving house
I am new to tropical fishkeeping, and am moving to a new house 2 hours
away. How do I go about it?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25365 From: Cory Walter Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
When we moved my lfs gave me several of the large bags they got their fish in. I put them in styrofoam coolers, filled them 1/2 - 3/4 full with the water from my aquarium and put my fish in their water, folded the bag over, put the lid on and packed them securely in the back floor board of my car. As far as you have to go, the back seat might be better instead of on the hot floor.......I lost only 1 fish out of about 30, 3 aquariums of them. It was just oh so easy........

Cory S. Walter

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25366 From: mlfrancis2001 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
I moved a 30gal 10hrs from Louisiana to Georgia without any loses.

I bought a new 13gal kitchen trashcan, but any sizeable container
will
work and then bought a battery powered "minnow keeper" bubbler from
the
fishing (fishing, not fish) department at Wal-Mart for about $5. Put
a
airstone and tubing on that and dropped into the container. Filled
it
with partial water from my tank and partial declorinated fresh
water.
Moved the fish over and placed in the floorboard of my car. Also
brought along a few gallon jugs of fresh declorinated water. About
twice throught he trip I scooped out about a gallon and watered the
grass at rest stops and replaced with more of the fresh water. It
was
in the middle of the summer so I didn't have to worry about a heater
and I never left it in the car without the AC running for longer than
a "pit stop." I made it
without any problems at all. Fish all lived several more years...
then
the kids came along, but that's another story. ;-)

Good luck


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "pbarry717" <pbarry717@...> wrote:
>
> I am new to tropical fishkeeping, and am moving to a new house 2
hours
> away. How do I go about it?
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25367 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
Here's a couple of links I have in my favorites folder concerning "Moving".
If you have any other questions, ask away and I'm sure one of us can provide
an answer.

http://www.plecofanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11321

http://www.myfishtank.net/forum/freshwater-general-discussion/28882-i-moved-
3-000-miles-my-fish-update-after-move.html

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of pbarry717
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Moving house

I am new to tropical fishkeeping, and am moving to a new house 2 hours away.
How do I go about it?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25368 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: new to this group but need help on my fry
hello, I just want to say that I am looking for a site that can help
me with my aquariums. I have two ten gallon tanks and a 55 gallon
tank. In my 55 gallon tank I have - 7 fancy tail guppies and 4 black
mollys, two small beta like fish and three alge eating fish (dont know
the name of these either. Now one of my mollys gave birth in a
seperator and I had 71 fry. According to the awuarium store I was to
put aquarium salt in my tank which I did a while ago, Yesterday I only
had two fry left. They all died. The water is at 79 degrees, I had
my water tested about two weeks ago and they told me my water was
perfect.

Do you know why all of my fry except two died. I have been trying to
find answers on the net but with no luck.

I appreciate any feed back

thanks, jennie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25369 From: Carmen H Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Did you mix the salt in gradually, pre-dissolved in tank water?

On Jan 9, 2008 8:33 PM, Gem_vfr750 <gem_vfr750@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> hello, I just want to say that I am looking for a site that can help
> me with my aquariums. I have two ten gallon tanks and a 55 gallon
> tank. In my 55 gallon tank I have - 7 fancy tail guppies and 4 black
> mollys, two small beta like fish and three alge eating fish (dont know
> the name of these either. Now one of my mollys gave birth in a
> seperator and I had 71 fry. According to the awuarium store I was to
> put aquarium salt in my tank which I did a while ago, Yesterday I only
> had two fry left. They all died. The water is at 79 degrees, I had
> my water tested about two weeks ago and they told me my water was
> perfect.
>
> Do you know why all of my fry except two died. I have been trying to
> find answers on the net but with no luck.
>
> I appreciate any feed back
>
> thanks, jennie
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25370 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: nano cubes
Hi Andreas,

Twenty gallon is probably not considered a nano tank. I like the eclipse hoods for display tanks. The eclipse comes with light and filter built into the hood. They sell hoods that fit the 20 gallon tall foot print as well as hoods for 10 and 29 gallon. They fit other sizes as well as long as the have the same footprint as the 10, 20, and 29 tanks.

The 20 gallon hoods come with single or dual flourescent fixtures. I believe the 10 gallon hoods are this way as well.
 
Buying the hood seperate from the tank can sometimes save you money especially if you buy the tank used. Some stores will have deals with hood and tank but usually not nearly as good as a used tank.

These do not come with C02 or pH controllers. 

Here is the webpage for Eclipse hoods.
http://www.marineland.com/products/consumer/con_eclipse.asp

They also sell 3, 6, & 12 gallon setups with a small bowfont tank, with the light and filter in the hood. I have used these systems as well.


-Mike Gale

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From: Andreas <andreas1120@...>
To: Aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:19 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] nano cubes






Hello all

I want to get a friend a small low maintainance tank in which I want to
place some anubias and low maintainance fish.

20 gallon size

any recommendation which one is the best of the "nano cubes"

which one has the best lighting, do any have PH controllers / co2 injectors?

thanks

Andreas

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25371 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Moving house
You will need to do some advance planning. You do not say how many tanks nor how many fish will be making the move with you, but this, or a minor variation, should hold you in good stead.

First, determine where the fish will go in the new home. Yeah, I know, in the aquarium, sheesh! So, where are you going to place the aquarium? Check that are to see how level it is. If it is level, good. If not, plan on what you will use to level the stand and tank. Also, if you are going to be laying down some sort of floor covering in the area, you will need to plan for that to go in first. Then the tank would be next, otherwise the tank is first.

When packing, the tank(s) will be the last, or one of the last, things to be taken care of.

Someone had mentioned getting a large fish shipping bag, or several, to move your fish in. I am more in foavor of bagging fish in smaller bags, only one , or a few, depending on the fish, to a bag. Going this route, you will only need enough water to cover the fish when the bag is laid on its side. It may take a bit of experimentation to get it right, but do not worry too much if there is a bit more than that, but you do not want a lot more. Seal the bags and place them in a Styrofoam box, which may be available from your LFS, or a cooler. If you have live plants, wrap them in newspaper, and dampen the paper, if need be. Place these in the container(s) holding the fish. Take out the heater, and all decorations and box them up as well. You'll want to remove the filter, but keep the media at least damp. Seal it up in a plastic bag if it is an off the tank type of filter.

You are going to want to bring all, or most of your water with you. Get some Rubbermaid kitchen or outdoor trash containers with lids that will seal, pretty much anyway, depending on the amount of water you will have--remember also, you are going to have to move these containers. You can leave the substrate in the tank, as long as it is only damp, not hiding any great amount of water.

Fit as much as you can in the vehicle that will be arriving as you do at your new home. Move the fish in. Move yourself in.

After the move, you may experience a mini-cycle, as the bacteria recover from the move.

The last time I moved fish, I moved 20 tanks ranging from 5.5 gallons to 55 gallons. I had a few things going for me. We moved in over a month's time, and the new house was less than 30 minutes away. Every few days, I'd move a couple of tanks down, along with other things, and get the tanks back up and running while she moved in the other stuff we brought along, and I'd help move I the larger stuff. I did not lose a single fish.

Just remember to plan out your tank move ahead of time, and collect what you will need to do it so you are not running around at the last minute looking for items, and trying to clean out your new water containers, etc.

\\Steve//


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Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 2:35 PM
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I am new to tropical fishkeeping, and am moving to a new house 2 hours
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25372 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: nano cubes
I was just reading the most recent Aquarium Fish magazine and saw an ad for
Hi-Q 12G self-contained All-In-One tanks which even have timed lighting and
automatic feeder built in. http://www.hiq-usa.com/cart/ or for the tank
system...
http://hiq-usa.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_6&products_
id=6

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Behalf Of Deenerz@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:23 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] nano cubes

Hi Andreas,

Twenty gallon is probably not considered a nano tank. I like the eclipse
hoods for display tanks. The eclipse comes with light and filter built into
the hood. They sell hoods that fit the 20 gallon tall foot print as well as
hoods for 10 and 29 gallon. They fit other sizes as well as long as the have
the same footprint as the 10, 20, and 29 tanks.

The 20 gallon hoods come with single or dual flourescent fixtures. I believe
the 10 gallon hoods are this way as well.

Buying the hood seperate from the tank can sometimes save you money
especially if you buy the tank used. Some stores will have deals with hood
and tank but usually not nearly as good as a used tank.

These do not come with C02 or pH controllers.

Here is the webpage for Eclipse hoods.
http://www.marineland.com/products/consumer/con_eclipse.asp
<http://www.marineland.com/products/consumer/con_eclipse.asp>

They also sell 3, 6, & 12 gallon setups with a small bowfont tank, with the
light and filter in the hood. I have used these systems as well.

-Mike Gale

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To: Aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Aquaticlife%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:19 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] nano cubes

Hello all

I want to get a friend a small low maintainance tank in which I want to
place some anubias and low maintainance fish.

20 gallon size

any recommendation which one is the best of the "nano cubes"

which one has the best lighting, do any have PH controllers / co2 injectors?

thanks

Andreas


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25373 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Help...fish stuck in biocube
Hi, I'm Donna, and new to the group and saltwater aquariums. I could
really use some advice...we have a fish stuck in the 3rd chamber of our
biocube. Any ideas on how to get him out? Thanks.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25374 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/9/2008
Subject: Re: Help...fish stuck in biocube
What kind of fish and how big? Will it fit through the gravel vacuum hose?
I vacuum up my cherry shrimp when I need to move some out of their tank and
they just ride through the hose into a bucket. I think they think it's some
kind of water slide and try to get back for a second ride. ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
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To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Help...fish stuck in biocube

Hi, I'm Donna, and new to the group and saltwater aquariums. I could really
use some advice...we have a fish stuck in the 3rd chamber of our biocube.
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25375 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Paula, Looking back on your incidental question from Tuesday, I thought
I might add to it especially since you are being "corrected" on the
proper pronunciation of this commonly used word in the fish circles.
As has been pointed out, there's no need to get into any arguments on
this as we all know what a Betta is regardless of how its pronounced,
although I do understand your concern when confronted by other people
on this.

I'm not really sure how Beta/VHS should be pronounced (maybe as I went
right into VHR, LOL), although I believe Beta may be pronounced Bay tuh.
For some reason, the audio prompt on the Google link provided is not
allowing me any sound for it -- and the visual prompt is useless, as I
see it, since it has - B (plus small square) T (plus small square).
The accompanying chart indicates "small square" as sounding like
the "a" in "about." but that would mean Betta is pronounced "but tuh."
I can't say as I ever relied on Google as being the definitive answer
to anything, as this service seems to merely touch on many topics
superficially instead of delving into the matter of things, often
giving the reader no more information than he or she already knows.
BTW, the Webster's Complete Unabridged Dictionary has the pronunciation
for Betta as "bet ta" (bet tuh), the same way as I gather you are
pronouncing it from your brief description. I have never heard it
pronounced Bet A (bet aye - obviously wrong), as you say some people
are "correcting" you with, although I do occasionally hear "Bay tuh,"
(also incorrect). Again, while not worth getting into an argument
over, glaring improper pronunciation of our fish names reflects a lot
on the user in that it does convey the impression that the user may not
know very much yet about aquarium fish, and/or may be viewed as not
interested in knowing the proper pronunciation. In other words, the
person is seen as an uninformed rank neophyte in the hobby whether they
are or not; they're letting their lack of knowledge show.

To give you further input as for how other people pronounce the
word "Betta," whether they're correct or not (some people may choose to
argue), some of my best and closest friends have and/or do pronounced
it as "bet tuh," (short e, short a) including such noteable people as
Warren and Libby Young (developer of the Libby Betta -- now both
deceased), Walt Maurus (now deceased), Dr Gene Lucas (world reknown
Betta specialist), John Eutuch and Dave Polunas (both judges for the
IBC -- International Betta Congress), and well respected show winning
top Betta breeder Rich Martucci, who has been sweeping the shows for
many years. I've also continued to pronounce it as "bet tuh" for as
long as I've had fish (near 60 years) which is the same way Dr William
Innes ("Father of the Aquarium Hobby") pronounced it when he was alive,
as seen in his "Exotic Aquarium Fishes" 'bible' for the hobby. Dr.
Innes specifically points out in his book that "Betta" should NOT be
pronounced "bay-ta." I think that should cover the matter if anyone
else chooses to "correct" you. Ray Wetzel






--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Brown" <browngip@...> wrote:
>
> One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always
pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so
many LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should
only have one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?
>
> Paula in Monroe, Michigan
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25376 From: donna matherly Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Help...fish stuck in biocube
Lenny, You are the man! I rescued my domino damsel a few min ago. Thanks so much! I wasn't able to use the method you recommended, but your email did give me the extra kick in the pants to keep trying. Once again, many thanks from a baby reef keeper!
Donna

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:
What kind of fish and how big? Will it fit through the gravel vacuum hose?
I vacuum up my cherry shrimp when I need to move some out of their tank and
they just ride through the hose into a bucket. I think they think it's some
kind of water slide and try to get back for a second ride. ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Subject: [AquaticLife] Help...fish stuck in biocube

Hi, I'm Donna, and new to the group and saltwater aquariums. I could really
use some advice...we have a fish stuck in the 3rd chamber of our biocube.
Any ideas on how to get him out? Thanks.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25377 From: Judith Downing Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Aquarium magazines
Hi All,

I just discovered that Amazon.com is having a magazine subscription
sale. It includes at least three of the fish magazines & the prices
are very good to begin with plus there is an additional $5 off today.
I just renewed my subscriptions & could kick myself because I would
have saved a bundle. I did get two years of "Cat Fancy" for $15, the
offer from the magazine company was about $25/year!!!


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25378 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
I think this is all getting into the "You say potAto, I say potato" thing.

Anywhere there is a different accent, words will be pronounced differently
because of the accent... whether it be New Yawk, Bah-stin or N'Awlins. Am I
supposed to go to Boston or New York and tell them all they are pronouncing
their city name incorrectly?

Nor do I want them coming down here and telling us our local flavor is
incorrect. We also have a large segment of N'Awlins folks who change the
erl in their car, go to the bathroom in the ter-let and then wash their
hands in the zinc.

Now lets get back to talking about the nitrogen "sickle"! ;-) Are you sure
it's not pronounced that way? After all bicycle is pronounced bi-sickle by
everyone I know.

And lets not even get started on the way some tech support employees
pronounce words. LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-x9ZfIliw

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:55 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small Planted Tank Question

Paula, Looking back on your incidental question from Tuesday, I thought I
might add to it especially since you are being "corrected" on the proper
pronunciation of this commonly used word in the fish circles.
As has been pointed out, there's no need to get into any arguments on this
as we all know what a Betta is regardless of how its pronounced, although I
do understand your concern when confronted by other people on this.

I'm not really sure how Beta/VHS should be pronounced (maybe as I went right
into VHR, LOL), although I believe Beta may be pronounced Bay tuh.
For some reason, the audio prompt on the Google link provided is not
allowing me any sound for it -- and the visual prompt is useless, as I see
it, since it has - B (plus small square) T (plus small square).
The accompanying chart indicates "small square" as sounding like the "a" in
"about." but that would mean Betta is pronounced "but tuh."
I can't say as I ever relied on Google as being the definitive answer to
anything, as this service seems to merely touch on many topics superficially
instead of delving into the matter of things, often giving the reader no
more information than he or she already knows.
BTW, the Webster's Complete Unabridged Dictionary has the pronunciation for
Betta as "bet ta" (bet tuh), the same way as I gather you are pronouncing it
from your brief description. I have never heard it pronounced Bet A (bet aye
- obviously wrong), as you say some people are "correcting" you with,
although I do occasionally hear "Bay tuh,"
(also incorrect). Again, while not worth getting into an argument over,
glaring improper pronunciation of our fish names reflects a lot on the user
in that it does convey the impression that the user may not know very much
yet about aquarium fish, and/or may be viewed as not interested in knowing
the proper pronunciation. In other words, the person is seen as an
uninformed rank neophyte in the hobby whether they are or not; they're
letting their lack of knowledge show.

To give you further input as for how other people pronounce the word
"Betta," whether they're correct or not (some people may choose to argue),
some of my best and closest friends have and/or do pronounced it as "bet
tuh," (short e, short a) including such noteable people as Warren and Libby
Young (developer of the Libby Betta -- now both deceased), Walt Maurus (now
deceased), Dr Gene Lucas (world reknown Betta specialist), John Eutuch and
Dave Polunas (both judges for the IBC -- International Betta Congress), and
well respected show winning top Betta breeder Rich Martucci, who has been
sweeping the shows for many years. I've also continued to pronounce it as
"bet tuh" for as long as I've had fish (near 60 years) which is the same way
Dr William Innes ("Father of the Aquarium Hobby") pronounced it when he was
alive, as seen in his "Exotic Aquarium Fishes" 'bible' for the hobby. Dr.
Innes specifically points out in his book that "Betta" should NOT be
pronounced "bay-ta." I think that should cover the matter if anyone else
chooses to "correct" you. Ray Wetzel

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Paula Brown" <browngip@...> wrote:
>
> One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always
pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by so many
LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should only have
one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?
>
> Paula in Monroe, Michigan

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25379 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
Well, you have a point to some extent, although as previously stated
the differences in pronunciation are not worth arguing over. But as
for discussing the matter, I'd say there's a vast difference between
any particular local colloquialism's sounds of vowels (no matter how
different the accent may sound) and the correct way to pronounce a
vowel according to the dictionaries, i.e., whether it should be a
long e or a short e ("tomato" and "potato" aside). No matter the
local area of the country anyone comes from, whether they place a bet
in Las Vegas, Monte Carlo or Atlantic City, they'll all say they
placed bets (not --bates). While I'll recognize that the vernacular
in different parts of the country may vary, the basics of speech all
dictate they follow the same rules of English.

Sure enough, "bicycle" is pronounced bi-sickle -- by everybody, but
if there were ever a question as to how nitrogen "cycle," (or any
other word) is to be pronounced, one may just refer to the dictionary
to find its correct pronunciation -- no matter the local accent
involved. There's a HUGH difference between a long "e" (or "a"
or "o," etc.) and a short "e" (or "a" or "o,", etc.) no matter who's
accent its said in.

To continue, for example, to pronounce "Guppy" as Goopy as you may
often hear from the uninitiated, exposes their ignorance in these
matters (only of course to the extent they are not yet well-versed in
how to pronounce these strange - to them - words). As you are
probably aware of, this fish was named after a person who's surname
was Guppy and should be pronounced accordingly. To pronounce it any
differently is to get sloppy and/or uncaring (or again, just not
knowlegeable enough). Its curious why every recognized expert on
Bettas I've known pronounces the word as Bet - tuh. Is there a
reason why anyone else should not at least attempt to pronounce these
same vowels in this particular word in a similarly recognizable
manner, local accents not withstanding? Ray Wetzel

P.S.: As for some tech support employees, I have to go along with
you on that (LOL).


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> I think this is all getting into the "You say potAto, I say potato"
thing.
>
> Anywhere there is a different accent, words will be pronounced
differently
> because of the accent... whether it be New Yawk, Bah-stin or
N'Awlins. Am I
> supposed to go to Boston or New York and tell them all they are
pronouncing
> their city name incorrectly?
>
> Nor do I want them coming down here and telling us our local flavor
is
> incorrect. We also have a large segment of N'Awlins folks who
change the
> erl in their car, go to the bathroom in the ter-let and then wash
their
> hands in the zinc.
>
> Now lets get back to talking about the nitrogen "sickle"! ;-) Are
you sure
> it's not pronounced that way? After all bicycle is pronounced bi-
sickle by
> everyone I know.
>
> And lets not even get started on the way some tech support employees
> pronounce words. LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-x9ZfIliw
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:55 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Small Planted Tank Question
>
> Paula, Looking back on your incidental question from Tuesday, I
thought I
> might add to it especially since you are being "corrected" on the
proper
> pronunciation of this commonly used word in the fish circles.
> As has been pointed out, there's no need to get into any arguments
on this
> as we all know what a Betta is regardless of how its pronounced,
although I
> do understand your concern when confronted by other people on this.
>
> I'm not really sure how Beta/VHS should be pronounced (maybe as I
went right
> into VHR, LOL), although I believe Beta may be pronounced Bay tuh.
> For some reason, the audio prompt on the Google link provided is not
> allowing me any sound for it -- and the visual prompt is useless,
as I see
> it, since it has - B (plus small square) T (plus small square).
> The accompanying chart indicates "small square" as sounding like
the "a" in
> "about." but that would mean Betta is pronounced "but tuh."
> I can't say as I ever relied on Google as being the definitive
answer to
> anything, as this service seems to merely touch on many topics
superficially
> instead of delving into the matter of things, often giving the
reader no
> more information than he or she already knows.
> BTW, the Webster's Complete Unabridged Dictionary has the
pronunciation for
> Betta as "bet ta" (bet tuh), the same way as I gather you are
pronouncing it
> from your brief description. I have never heard it pronounced Bet A
(bet aye
> - obviously wrong), as you say some people are "correcting" you
with,
> although I do occasionally hear "Bay tuh,"
> (also incorrect). Again, while not worth getting into an argument
over,
> glaring improper pronunciation of our fish names reflects a lot on
the user
> in that it does convey the impression that the user may not know
very much
> yet about aquarium fish, and/or may be viewed as not interested in
knowing
> the proper pronunciation. In other words, the person is seen as an
> uninformed rank neophyte in the hobby whether they are or not;
they're
> letting their lack of knowledge show.
>
> To give you further input as for how other people pronounce the word
> "Betta," whether they're correct or not (some people may choose to
argue),
> some of my best and closest friends have and/or do pronounced it
as "bet
> tuh," (short e, short a) including such noteable people as Warren
and Libby
> Young (developer of the Libby Betta -- now both deceased), Walt
Maurus (now
> deceased), Dr Gene Lucas (world reknown Betta specialist), John
Eutuch and
> Dave Polunas (both judges for the IBC -- International Betta
Congress), and
> well respected show winning top Betta breeder Rich Martucci, who
has been
> sweeping the shows for many years. I've also continued to pronounce
it as
> "bet tuh" for as long as I've had fish (near 60 years) which is the
same way
> Dr William Innes ("Father of the Aquarium Hobby") pronounced it
when he was
> alive, as seen in his "Exotic Aquarium Fishes" 'bible' for the
hobby. Dr.
> Innes specifically points out in his book that "Betta" should NOT be
> pronounced "bay-ta." I think that should cover the matter if anyone
else
> chooses to "correct" you. Ray Wetzel
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Paula Brown" <browngip@> wrote:
> >
> > One more thing: How do ya'll pronounce Betta? I have always
> pronounced it Bet Ta (one word of course). I have been corrected by
so many
> LFS people though that it is Bet A (one word). To me Beta should
only have
> one T though (as in Beta/VHS). Who is right?
> >
> > Paula in Monroe, Michigan
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25380 From: Cleo H Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
I had the same problem. Have you seen the bodies of the fry? If not, the mollies and guppies will eat the fry. Happened to me every time. You actually have to try to separate them into a different tank or make sure the tank is thickly covered in plants or decorations. The bad news is that most of the time hardly any fry survive when with adults.

Cleo

Gem_vfr750 <gem_vfr750@...> wrote: hello, I just want to say that I am looking for a site that can help
me with my aquariums. I have two ten gallon tanks and a 55 gallon
tank. In my 55 gallon tank I have - 7 fancy tail guppies and 4 black
mollys, two small beta like fish and three alge eating fish (dont know
the name of these either. Now one of my mollys gave birth in a
seperator and I had 71 fry. According to the awuarium store I was to
put aquarium salt in my tank which I did a while ago, Yesterday I only
had two fry left. They all died. The water is at 79 degrees, I had
my water tested about two weeks ago and they told me my water was
perfect.

Do you know why all of my fry except two died. I have been trying to
find answers on the net but with no luck.

I appreciate any feed back

thanks, jennie






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25381 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
hi carmen and the pack,

I honestly do not remember if I did or not, I believe that I didnt
but I am not too sure. But just to let you know two of my dalmation
mollies died too just yesterday morning so I did a water change and
hopefully this will work. The remaining two molly fry look like
they are doing well, they are swimming around in there little
seperator and one of my guppies just gave birth this morning to 10
fry and none of them died, so maybe the water change was good, maybe
there was too much salt, do you know the amount for a 55 gal, I put
in a cup.

anyway i am really glad that i am part of this group as i am so new
to this but absolutely love fish and baby fry....... The first batch
of babies found all new homes and the third and fourth and now i am
on the seventh, so breeding looks like a great hobby....

thanks again

take care

Jennie


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carmen H" <eskielists@...>
wrote:
>
> Did you mix the salt in gradually, pre-dissolved in tank water?
>
> On Jan 9, 2008 8:33 PM, Gem_vfr750 <gem_vfr750@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > hello, I just want to say that I am looking for a site that can
help
> > me with my aquariums. I have two ten gallon tanks and a 55
gallon
> > tank. In my 55 gallon tank I have - 7 fancy tail guppies and 4
black
> > mollys, two small beta like fish and three alge eating fish
(dont know
> > the name of these either. Now one of my mollys gave birth in a
> > seperator and I had 71 fry. According to the awuarium store I
was to
> > put aquarium salt in my tank which I did a while ago, Yesterday
I only
> > had two fry left. They all died. The water is at 79 degrees, I
had
> > my water tested about two weeks ago and they told me my water
was
> > perfect.
> >
> > Do you know why all of my fry except two died. I have been
trying to
> > find answers on the net but with no luck.
> >
> > I appreciate any feed back
> >
> > thanks, jennie
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Carmen and the pack
> Pawzie-tively Precious American Eskimo Rescue
> www.reskie.com
> Ontario, Canada
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25382 From: Gem_vfr750 Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: new to this group but need help on my fry
Hello Cleo

All my mom fish are always put in a seperator as I love breeding,
and in the seperator they were all alive and I actually counted 71
but within hours they started dying one by one and the little bodies
became grey and by the next day I had ten and now i have two..... I
dont trust any adults,,,,, best to seperate at birth LOL....

thanks so much

take care

jennie

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Cleo H <maybelline101@...> wrote:
>
> I had the same problem. Have you seen the bodies of the fry? If
not, the mollies and guppies will eat the fry. Happened to me every
time. You actually have to try to separate them into a different
tank or make sure the tank is thickly covered in plants or
decorations. The bad news is that most of the time hardly any fry
survive when with adults.
>
> Cleo
>
> Gem_vfr750 <gem_vfr750@...> wrote:
hello, I just want to say that I am looking for a site that can help
> me with my aquariums. I have two ten gallon tanks and a 55
gallon
> tank. In my 55 gallon tank I have - 7 fancy tail guppies and 4
black
> mollys, two small beta like fish and three alge eating fish (dont
know
> the name of these either. Now one of my mollys gave birth in a
> seperator and I had 71 fry. According to the awuarium store I
was to
> put aquarium salt in my tank which I did a while ago, Yesterday I
only
> had two fry left. They all died. The water is at 79 degrees, I
had
> my water tested about two weeks ago and they told me my water was
> perfect.
>
> Do you know why all of my fry except two died. I have been
trying to
> find answers on the net but with no luck.
>
> I appreciate any feed back
>
> thanks, jennie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25383 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/10/2008
Subject: Re: Aquarium magazines
Thanks Judith,

In the past I have gotten magazine subscriptions at really good prices on ebay.

-Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Downing <beary@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 7:54 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] Aquarium magazines






Hi All,

I just discovered that Amazon.com is having a magazine subscription
sale. It includes at least three of the fish magazines & the prices
are very good to begin with plus there is an additional $5 off today.
I just renewed my subscriptions & could kick myself because I would
have saved a bundle. I did get two years of "Cat Fancy" for $15, the
offer from the magazine company was about $25/year!!!

Judith Downing
beary@...
Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25384 From: pinkvock Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: water advice
I am thinking about getting an RO unit of some type. I've been buying
some distilled water to blend in with my tap water for changes. My tap
water is from a rural water source,it is chlorinated,the main problem
with it is that it is quite hard. I did a source water baseline and the
water came out of the tap at a ph of 7.2 and ended up at 8.0 after 36
hours, the general hardness was greater than 400 ppm, the KH was
between 200-400ppm. I use an API GH and KH Test kit. So, what I do is
let it sit for 2 or 3 days and then blend it with distilled water from
the store to get it down and use that for my water changes. That seems
to be working quite well. The ph in the tank stays from 7.8-8.0. I've
got a 30 gal tank right now but plan to go into a 55 gal tank in the
future.
So, there's some background on what i'm doing and why and now here
are the questions....
Does anyone have any recommendations? Would it be worth the cost to
get my own system, or does the intial cost and then the cost of
replacement filters end up making it stupid... What does the true cost
end up at approximately with the replacement filters? What are your
experiences?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25385 From: joe t Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: Small Planted Tank Question
I have to agree with Ray on this one. For as long as I've been around -- (don't ask) -- we have always pronounced the word as Bet tah (one word). I'm in the New York area, by the way.

Just an aside. As Lenny pointed out about different areas, I had a cousin that used to pronounce Guppies as "Goofers"!!
Go figure. Where the hell she got that from I don't know. But as Ray said, she knew squat about fish. And I don't think she really cared to learn. All she knew was they were pretty and she liked them.

Joe t


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25386 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: water advice
Keep African Rift Lake cichlids, the water is perfect for them.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of pinkvock
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] water advice



I am thinking about getting an RO unit of some type. I've been buying
some distilled water to blend in with my tap water for changes. My tap
water is from a rural water source,it is chlorinated,the main problem
with it is that it is quite hard. I did a source water baseline and the
water came out of the tap at a ph of 7.2 and ended up at 8.0 after 36
hours, the general hardness was greater than 400 ppm, the KH was
between 200-400ppm. I use an API GH and KH Test kit. So, what I do is
let it sit for 2 or 3 days and then blend it with distilled water from
the store to get it down and use that for my water changes. That seems
to be working quite well. The ph in the tank stays from 7.8-8.0. I've
got a 30 gal tank right now but plan to go into a 55 gal tank in the
future.
So, there's some background on what i'm doing and why and now here
are the questions....
Does anyone have any recommendations? Would it be worth the cost to
get my own system, or does the intial cost and then the cost of
replacement filters end up making it stupid... What does the true cost
end up at approximately with the replacement filters? What are your
experiences?





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25387 From: Tony Date: 1/11/2008
Subject: Re: water advice
The water in my area is extremely hard and has a horrible chlorine
smell.For drinking and for use in my tanks (one 55gallon planted,
one 30 gallon planted and one 10 gallon) I installed the Whirlpool
High Capacity under the sink RO system (Model: WHER25). So far it
has worked great. The unit gives about thirty gallons in a 24 hour
period. Inorder to store enough water for water change I attached a
small piece of tubing from a gravel cleaner to the end of the faucet
and placed the other in a plastic 30 gallon trash can ,I use only
for water and left the faucet open. Instead of collecting in the 2
1/2 gallon storage tank that comes with the unit it drains into and
fill the trash can in about 24 hours. I purchased it from Lowes
hardware, the initial cost was less than $200.00 and the RO filter
is good for about a year, there are also two other filters that
comes with the unit they have to be replaced evey 6 months.
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> Keep African Rift Lake cichlids, the water is perfect for them.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of pinkvock
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:19 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] water advice
>
>
>
> I am thinking about getting an RO unit of some type. I've been
buying
> some distilled water to blend in with my tap water for changes. My
tap
> water is from a rural water source,it is chlorinated,the main
problem
> with it is that it is quite hard. I did a source water baseline
and the
> water came out of the tap at a ph of 7.2 and ended up at 8.0 after
36
> hours, the general hardness was greater than 400 ppm, the KH was
> between 200-400ppm. I use an API GH and KH Test kit. So, what I do
is
> let it sit for 2 or 3 days and then blend it with distilled water
from
> the store to get it down and use that for my water changes. That
seems
> to be working quite well. The ph in the tank stays from 7.8-8.0.
I've
> got a 30 gal tank right now but plan to go into a 55 gal tank in
the
> future.
> So, there's some background on what i'm doing and why and now here
> are the questions....
> Does anyone have any recommendations? Would it be worth the cost
to
> get my own system, or does the intial cost and then the cost of
> replacement filters end up making it stupid... What does the true
cost
> end up at approximately with the replacement filters? What are
your
> experiences?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25388 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: API Nitrate Test kit
Guys,



Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l



Thanks,

Nim







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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25389 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
1 Ten drops Bottle #1 in test tube

2 Shake test tube to mix

3 Shake Bottle #2 vigorously for 30 seconds

4 Ten drops Bottle #2 added to test tube

5 Shake test tube vigorously for 60 seconds

6 Wait 5 minutes

7 Compare to color chart



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:33 PM
To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit



Guys,

Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l

Thanks,

Nim

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25390 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Nitrate tests for FW will rarely have comparison cards with levels between 0
and 0.5. They usually have the color changes for ever 5mg/l or ppm. Are
you testing FW or SW?

For the 5ml test tube, always make sure it's clean and shake the chemicals
adequately or for as long as they require. Especially the nitrate test
chemicals as they will separate while sitting in the cabinet for months on
end if not used frequently. Then add 10 drops of Bottle #1 to the 5ml of
water. Cap the test tube and invert tube several times to mix. Vigorously
shake bottle #2 for at least 30 seconds but a minute or two is better. Then
add 10 drops of Bottle #2 to the tube, cap the tube and shake vigorously for
1 minute. Wait 5 minutes for the color to develop.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:33 PM
To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Guys,

Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l

Thanks,

Nim


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25391 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Offspring of Different Blind Cave Fish Can See
If you mate fish from different caves that are widely separated, the
young of blind cave fish have vision. Richard Borowsky has shown that
the offspring of fish from caves 100 km apart will have sight.

Science News., Jan. 12, 2008; Vol. 173, No. 2 , p. 21. (subscription
required to view online)


References:
Borowsky, R. 2008. Restoring sight in blind cavefish. Current Biology
18(Jan. 8):R23-R24.
Jeffery, W.R. 2007. Chordate ancestry of the neural crest: New insights
from ascidians. Seminars in Cell & Developmental Biology
18(August):481-491.
Further Readings:
Wilkens, H. 2007. Regressive evolution: Ontogeny and genetics of
cavefish eye rudimentation. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society
92:297-296.


\\Steve//

\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25392 From: C.M. Date: 1/12/2008
Subject: Introduction
Hi and Hello there from Oregon. I have been keep aquarium fish for many years. I started with Tropical Angelfish many years ago, I've kept Oscars and Convict Cichlids over the years. But right now I have Goldfish in a 55 gallon. I have Corydoras and Golden Barb in a 20 gallon-tall right now also.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25393 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Thanks Donna J



Nim



From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Donna Ransome
Sent: 12 January 2008 21:34
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com; UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit



1 Ten drops Bottle #1 in test tube

2 Shake test tube to mix

3 Shake Bottle #2 vigorously for 30 seconds

4 Ten drops Bottle #2 added to test tube

5 Shake test tube vigorously for 60 seconds

6 Wait 5 minutes

7 Compare to color chart

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:33 PM
To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com <mailto:UniQuaria%40yahoogroups.com> ;
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com <mailto:A-s-k%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Guys,

Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l

Thanks,

Nim

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25394 From: Nimish Mathur Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
Thanks Lenny. Sorry that was a typo. I did mean 5mg/l instead of 0.5mg/l

I am testing both freshwater & saltwater. Strangely, I am getting between
5-10mg/l of Nitrates in my RO water???? Should this not be zero? It's a new
RO Unit. Tap water Nitrates are 50mg/l.

Nim

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: 12 January 2008 22:21
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Nitrate tests for FW will rarely have comparison cards with levels between 0
and 0.5. They usually have the color changes for ever 5mg/l or ppm. Are
you testing FW or SW?

For the 5ml test tube, always make sure it's clean and shake the chemicals
adequately or for as long as they require. Especially the nitrate test
chemicals as they will separate while sitting in the cabinet for months on
end if not used frequently. Then add 10 drops of Bottle #1 to the 5ml of
water. Cap the test tube and invert tube several times to mix. Vigorously
shake bottle #2 for at least 30 seconds but a minute or two is better. Then
add 10 drops of Bottle #2 to the tube, cap the tube and shake vigorously for
1 minute. Wait 5 minutes for the color to develop.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:33 PM
To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Guys,

Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l

Thanks,

Nim


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25395 From: ljjh68 Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: detritus worms
I have a planted tank with cherry shrimp, trumpet snails and some pond
snails. Today I noticed what looks like detritus worms based on the
pictures and information I could find. The worms were poking out of
the gravel and if a shrimp came past they would quickly retract. Do I
need to worry about these worms causing any problems? Is there a fish
I could put in with my cherry shrimp that wouldn't bother them but
would eat the worms? Possibly a pygmy cory?

Thanks,
Lisa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25396 From: Jacqui Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
need to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but
what i couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to
remove the electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was
still enough electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone
know what i can do to save my fish because they cant live in a buket
for very long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25397 From: Wendie Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
You need to check all your electric items in the tank. It's not the water,
there's a problem with either your heater, the lights, or the filter. Once
you find out what and fix it, you won't have a problem. It turned out to
be the lights in mine.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacqui
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted


there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
need to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but
what i couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to
remove the electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was
still enough electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone
know what i can do to save my fish because they cant live in a buket
for very long





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25398 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: API Nitrate Test kit
OK.. next, before presuming something is wrong with your RO unit, check the
expiration dates on your API bottles to be sure that is not the cause of a
false reading and get a 2nd opinion from another test kit. Most LFS and
Chain Stores will test your water at no charge.

Here is an article on how to tell if your chemicals are out of date.
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/test_kits_life.php

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:44 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Thanks Lenny. Sorry that was a typo. I did mean 5mg/l instead of 0.5mg/l

I am testing both freshwater & saltwater. Strangely, I am getting between
5-10mg/l of Nitrates in my RO water???? Should this not be zero? It's a new
RO Unit. Tap water Nitrates are 50mg/l.

Nim

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: 12 January 2008 22:21
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Nitrate tests for FW will rarely have comparison cards with levels between 0
and 0.5. They usually have the color changes for ever 5mg/l or ppm. Are
you testing FW or SW?

For the 5ml test tube, always make sure it's clean and shake the chemicals
adequately or for as long as they require. Especially the nitrate test
chemicals as they will separate while sitting in the cabinet for months on
end if not used frequently. Then add 10 drops of Bottle #1 to the 5ml of
water. Cap the test tube and invert tube several times to mix. Vigorously
shake bottle #2 for at least 30 seconds but a minute or two is better. Then
add 10 drops of Bottle #2 to the tube, cap the tube and shake vigorously for
1 minute. Wait 5 minutes for the color to develop.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Nimish Mathur
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:33 PM
To: UniQuaria@yahoogroups.com; AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com;
A-s-k@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] API Nitrate Test kit

Guys,

Does anyone have a API Nitrate Test kit to hand? If so, can you give me
brief instructions on it? I have lost the manual and cannot find it anywhere
online. Trouble is, Interpet kit says 25mg/l Nitrate in my RO water but the
API when I tested by using my logic it stays between 0 and 0.5mg/l

Thanks,

Nim


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25399 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
The electricity is coming from one of your electric devices…test the heater,
the lights and the filter.



I don’t recommend using your hand, but since you already did (LOL), try
unplugging each item and see if the feeling goes away. Then replace the
faulty device.



If you have to unplug all of them to stop feeling the electricity, I think
it could also be bad grounding on your outlet. Try a different outlet.



If all else fails, call an electrician to diagnose with a tester.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:30 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted



there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
need to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but
what i couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to
remove the electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was
still enough electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone
know what i can do to save my fish because they cant live in a buket
for very long





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25400 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: detritus worms
I don't think there is a "detritus worm" but you are probably seeing
planaria, which would probably be the closest thing to a "detritus worm",
although they don't really eat detritus. They are mostly carnivores but
will only eat dead/decaying fish/shrimp/etc. so they are technically a good
thing for a cherry shrimp tank since it is so hard to vacuum the gravel very
good with them being so small.

I have one of the small diameter gravel vacuum tubes and I put a filter
media bag (fine mesh) over the tube and vacuum my gravel as best I can but
the fine mesh also keeps the vacuum from getting any big detritus.

I have planaria as part of what I consider the natural ecosystem in my
cherry shrimp tank. They will not harm your tank and although in a fish
only tank, they are a sign of poor housekeeping, in a heavily populated
cherry shrimp tank, where it's so difficult to properly vacuum the gravel,
they help as part of the clean up crew.

I don't know of any fish that would eat planaria and any that would, would
most likely find the cherry shrimp just as tasty.

If I ever redo my cherry shrimp tank, I'll probably go with a substrate
other than gravel... probably a sand so that detritus would have a harder
time permeating down into the sand and then I'd have to make sure I have
plenty of MTS to keep the sand clean and turned over.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ljjh68
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:54 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] detritus worms

I have a planted tank with cherry shrimp, trumpet snails and some pond
snails. Today I noticed what looks like detritus worms based on the pictures
and information I could find. The worms were poking out of the gravel and if
a shrimp came past they would quickly retract. Do I need to worry about
these worms causing any problems? Is there a fish I could put in with my
cherry shrimp that wouldn't bother them but would eat the worms? Possibly a
pygmy cory?

Thanks,
Lisa



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25401 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
You need to figure out which of your aquarium appliances are shorting out in
the water. Start off by removing them all... heater, underwater filters,
anything that has the electrical cord going into the water. That should
stop the electrical surge. Removing 80% of the water isn't going to fix the
problem if you leave the shorting appliance in the water.

Here is an article on how to check and protect your tank(s) in the future.
It's more of a problem in saltwater tanks since salt water is more
conductive. http://www.reefs.org/library/aquarium_net/996/996_5.html

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:30 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i need
to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but what i
couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to remove the
electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was still enough
electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone know what i can do
to save my fish because they cant live in a buket for very long

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25402 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
So far everyone has told you about how to determine where the electricity is coming from, but no one has mentioned the fish. You can put the fish back into the tank. They should be OK, with little, if any, harm coming to them. You feel the electricity because you rae grounded. The fish do not, since they are not grounded. The effect on the fish may be to make them a bit more skittish than normal, or may have some effect on the balance they naturally have, or may somewhat affect the organs known as the lateral line, but the damage is likely to be short-lived, and removing the electrical source will allow the fish to return to normal quickly.

If you have already followed the suggestions mentioned earlier, You have found and removed the source of the electricity, and left the appliance unplugged. Only the filter should be replaced immediately, if it is found to have been the source. If it is the lights, you can live without them for several days, or more if you do not have live plants. The heater is only important if the room is a "cold" room, since most common fish can withstand a temperature in the low 70's for a time. This will give you some time to do a bit of research on those appliances to indicate what you should get to replace or upgrade them.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:30 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
need to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but
what i couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to
remove the electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was
still enough electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone
know what i can do to save my fish because they cant live in a buket
for very long



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25403 From: jett07002 Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Coloring Fish
Here's something I thought you all might be interested in. I found it
in one of the Tropical Fish sites I go to. Nothing is sacred anymore
and I guess people will do anything for a buck.

THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL has voted to change a year-old law that
banned the artificial coloring of pet fish. Tattooing and injecting
dye into fish will still be illegal, but other forms of coloring,
including dye baths, will be permissible under the revised law.

It all started a few months ago when someone visited a pet store and
saw a fish with "I love you" tattooed on its scales. Animal control
was called, and the pet store owner told officers that he got the fish
from Quality Pets.

The officers confiscated an estimated $1,700 worth of tattooed fish
from Quality Pets and euthanized them.

Donald Fleming, the owner of Quality Pets, was outraged when his fish
were seized and euthanized. He said that many other pet stores like
Petsmart, Petco, and Wal-Mart color their tropical fish by either
injecting dyes or through a dye bath process.

He added: "Are we going to hire fish police to go out and confiscate
these fish and euthanize them for their own good?" Fleming also stated
that he treats all of his animals humanely. He said before he tattoos
the fish, he sedates them, so they can't feel any pain.

But Cynthia Armstrong of the Humane Society of the United States
disagrees with Fleming. She said many animal rights organizations
consider dying a fish or injecting dye into a fish to be inhumane and
painful. She said that because dye baths will still be legal, fish
will still endure painful coloring processes.

"The fish literally drinks and bathes in this chemical die," Armstrong
said. "This is extremely damaging to fish. It has a very high
mortality rate. It makes them more prone to infectious diseases and
shortens the life span for fish that do survive."

The only councilman who voted against the amendment said the revision
is useless because it is difficult to determine if a fish is colored
with a dye bath or an injection.

"This ordinance, as I understand it, would essentially be
unenforceable," the councilman said. "There is no way we could go in
and tell how a fish was colored."

The assistant city manager said most likely the only part of the ban
that will be enforced is tattooing fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25404 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Hi Jacqui;
First, it is necessary to determine the amount of electricity that we
are talking about.
If I stick my hand into a fish tank with a cut or scrap there is the
possibility with
a open wound to find that there is a chemical reaction that would make
you think
that there is electricity but really it is a chemical reaction due to Ph
or other chemicals.
Next, I would check for cracked heaters or wetness around a lighting
fixture. Many times
if you use a spray type return from a Fluval or other filter, water will
accumulate
around places it should not be. AC electrical current can come from
water getting
into the lighting socket and with Fluorescent lamp fixtures can be as
high as 400 Vac.
*How to fix it*? First find the source and remove it. Next you can get
a couple of
stainless steel rods and put them in the water and attach to thick wire
that is attached
to a grounded water pipe. Next get a GFP socket for the wall that feeds
current to the
fish tank- this will pop off if there is voltage in the water or any
significant current due to
a broken water heater which would apply 120 Vac into the water. If the
lighting fixture
is the source, then get some plastic cases- either CD cake box (50's) or
even cassette
tape boxes and lift the lighting fixture up at both ends- this will help
reduce heat to
the tank in the summer as well.
My experience- I have had fish tanks since 1973 including 20 gal, 10 gal
and now two
55 gallon tanks. I also have a good sized Pond outside. I have never had
this problem
that I could notice and I have had a broken in water 300W heater in the
pond with no
casualties. Knowing electricity, the fish would need to make contact
with two points
of a broken heater at the same time to be affected. It is unlikely given
the effects
around a broken heater that the fish would stay around it at all. Also
fish like birds and
even squirrels in the back yard do fine when sitting onto of a 7000 V
power line. The
only problem comes from when a squirrel climbs up on a transformer
insulator and touches
two different potential points that it is killed.
I hope this answers most completely your question and contact me further
if needed.

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Jacqui wrote:
>
> there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
> need to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but
> what i couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to
> remove the electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was
> still enough electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone
> know what i can do to save my fish because they cant live in a buket
> for very long
>
> _,_._,___


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25405 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: Coloring Fish
It was probably the money that got to the politicians. There is a lot of
money to be made from an ill-educated public for fish like this, as well
as the many hybrids that come about, such as the so-called "parrot"
cichlids. There is actually another cichlid that has the common name
parrot, though it is not often seen in the hobby, _Hoplarchus
psittacus_, in case anyone was wondering. (For an article about them,
see http://cichlidae.com/article.php?id=67 .)

One can debate the ethics of the situation, but when it comes down to
it, the shop and big box stores are in the business to make money, and
if something sells, they will sell it.

This is probably an example of compromise in the political arena--OK,
you let us sell the dyed fish, and we will not sell the tattooed fish.

It is also an example of the golden rule. He who has the gold, rules.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of jett07002
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:55 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Coloring Fish

Here's something I thought you all might be interested in. I found it
in one of the Tropical Fish sites I go to. Nothing is sacred anymore
and I guess people will do anything for a buck.

THE OKLAHOMA CITY COUNCIL has voted to change a year-old law that
banned the artificial coloring of pet fish. Tattooing and injecting
dye into fish will still be illegal, but other forms of coloring,
including dye baths, will be permissible under the revised law.

It all started a few months ago when someone visited a pet store and
saw a fish with "I love you" tattooed on its scales. Animal control
was called, and the pet store owner told officers that he got the fish
from Quality Pets.

The officers confiscated an estimated $1,700 worth of tattooed fish
from Quality Pets and euthanized them.

Donald Fleming, the owner of Quality Pets, was outraged when his fish
were seized and euthanized. He said that many other pet stores like
Petsmart, Petco, and Wal-Mart color their tropical fish by either
injecting dyes or through a dye bath process.

He added: "Are we going to hire fish police to go out and confiscate
these fish and euthanize them for their own good?" Fleming also stated
that he treats all of his animals humanely. He said before he tattoos
the fish, he sedates them, so they can't feel any pain.

But Cynthia Armstrong of the Humane Society of the United States
disagrees with Fleming. She said many animal rights organizations
consider dying a fish or injecting dye into a fish to be inhumane and
painful. She said that because dye baths will still be legal, fish
will still endure painful coloring processes.

"The fish literally drinks and bathes in this chemical die," Armstrong
said. "This is extremely damaging to fish. It has a very high
mortality rate. It makes them more prone to infectious diseases and
shortens the life span for fish that do survive."

The only councilman who voted against the amendment said the revision
is useless because it is difficult to determine if a fish is colored
with a dye bath or an injection.

"This ordinance, as I understand it, would essentially be
unenforceable," the councilman said. "There is no way we could go in
and tell how a fish was colored."

The assistant city manager said most likely the only part of the ban
that will be enforced is tattooing fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25406 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Actually, in the article I linked to, it says that even though the fish
aren't grounded, the stray voltage affects their lateral line system, which
you mention, but this can cause them stress which can lead to immune system
issues so it's something that should still be remedied ASAP. I would
consider it similar to what some experts say happens to people living too
close to high power lines and the electrostatic charge in the air around
those lines affect peoples health even though it's not actually shocking
them.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:50 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

So far everyone has told you about how to determine where the electricity is
coming from, but no one has mentioned the fish. You can put the fish back
into the tank. They should be OK, with little, if any, harm coming to them.
You feel the electricity because you rae grounded. The fish do not, since
they are not grounded. The effect on the fish may be to make them a bit more
skittish than normal, or may have some effect on the balance they naturally
have, or may somewhat affect the organs known as the lateral line, but the
damage is likely to be short-lived, and removing the electrical source will
allow the fish to return to normal quickly.

If you have already followed the suggestions mentioned earlier, You have
found and removed the source of the electricity, and left the appliance
unplugged. Only the filter should be replaced immediately, if it is found to
have been the source. If it is the lights, you can live without them for
several days, or more if you do not have live plants. The heater is only
important if the room is a "cold" room, since most common fish can withstand
a temperature in the low 70's for a time. This will give you some time to do
a bit of research on those appliances to indicate what you should get to
replace or upgrade them.

\\Steve//

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[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:30 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i need
to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but what i
couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to remove the
electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was still enough
electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone know what i can do
to save my fish because they cant live in a buket for very long

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25407 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Lenny,

From what I have seen reported about both fish and man in the cases you
mention has been anecdotal. Accepted studies may be out there in either
case, but, I have not seen them. As you may note, in my original reply,
I did mention that there may be problems related to the electricity in
the water and the lateral line organs, but, since she would be shortly
doing what it takes to determine the cause of the problem, the fish
would be better off in the tank, rather than a bucket.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:08 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

Actually, in the article I linked to, it says that even though the fish
aren't grounded, the stray voltage affects their lateral line system,
which
you mention, but this can cause them stress which can lead to immune
system
issues so it's something that should still be remedied ASAP. I would
consider it similar to what some experts say happens to people living
too
close to high power lines and the electrostatic charge in the air around
those lines affect peoples health even though it's not actually shocking
them.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:50 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

So far everyone has told you about how to determine where the
electricity is
coming from, but no one has mentioned the fish. You can put the fish
back
into the tank. They should be OK, with little, if any, harm coming to
them.
You feel the electricity because you rae grounded. The fish do not,
since
they are not grounded. The effect on the fish may be to make them a bit
more
skittish than normal, or may have some effect on the balance they
naturally
have, or may somewhat affect the organs known as the lateral line, but
the
damage is likely to be short-lived, and removing the electrical source
will
allow the fish to return to normal quickly.

If you have already followed the suggestions mentioned earlier, You have
found and removed the source of the electricity, and left the appliance
unplugged. Only the filter should be replaced immediately, if it is
found to
have been the source. If it is the lights, you can live without them for
several days, or more if you do not have live plants. The heater is only
important if the room is a "cold" room, since most common fish can
withstand
a temperature in the low 70's for a time. This will give you some time
to do
a bit of research on those appliances to indicate what you should get to
replace or upgrade them.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 9:30 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] HELP my fish were being electrocuted

there was electricity being passed thru my fish tank, a 20 gal, and i
need
to know how to remove the elctricity , i drained all the water but what
i
couldnt drain with a syphon, i figured that would be enought to remove
the
electricity in the water. i refilled the tank and there was still enough
electricity for me to feel with my bare hand. does anyone know what i
can do
to save my fish because they cant live in a buket for very long
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25408 From: Jacqui Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
thank you for your response. the heater did have a crack in it. and it has been replaced. i am concerned about the fish tho, one seems to have a wound on the middle of its face. and another is still runing into things with alarming speed IE tank walls, rock fixtures. i tested the water with a vac and there was minimal reading, could the elctricity has caused permanent damage?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25409 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/13/2008
Subject: Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted
Tough to say. The one with the wound in his head, the wound could have been caused by the moving from the tank to the bucket and back, or it could have another cause, but I don't think it was the electricity that caused it. Maybe he was the one who cracked the heater with his head <g>.

As for the one with the rapid swimming and banging into things, give it a day or two to see if he calms down. Here, again, the moving may have a greater effect than the electricity.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqui
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:08 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: HELP my fish were being electrocuted

thank you for your response. the heater did have a crack in it. and it has been replaced. i am concerned about the fish tho, one seems to have a wound on the middle of its face. and another is still runing into things with alarming speed IE tank walls, rock fixtures. i tested the water with a vac and there was minimal reading, could the elctricity has caused permanent damage?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25410 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: Coloring Fish
I guess I just don't understand the need to tattoo fish.... or any other animal for that matter.... they're beautiful the way they are.

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25411 From: Gregg Taylor Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: New to Oscars and needing help
I am interested in purchasing and caring for an Oscar and was
wondering if anyone in here have any advice and information that they
could possibly share with me
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25412 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/14/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
Oscars get BIG (14") and need BIG tanks and lots of filtration. The minimum
sized tank to start with a juvenile would be a 55G (48" x 12" footprint) but
it would be better to start off with the proper sized tank for adult size so
the fish can grow into the tank without suffering stunting issues so a
100G+, 6' long tank (72" x 18" footprint) would be my minimum recommended
size if you don't want to have to be changing tanks and equipment in a year.
If you can go bigger, that would be even better.

Here's a few good profiles with lots of info and the Mongabay profile has
links to much more info.

http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html

http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cichlids/oscar.html

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=531

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of Gregg Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:46 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New to Oscars and needing help

I am interested in purchasing and caring for an Oscar and was wondering if
anyone in here have any advice and information that they could possibly
share with me


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25413 From: Gregg Taylor Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
Thank you so much for that quick response. It was well taken in.

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Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] New to Oscars and needing help


Oscars get BIG (14") and need BIG tanks and lots of filtration. The
minimum
sized tank to start with a juvenile would be a 55G (48" x 12"
footprint) but
it would be better to start off with the proper sized tank for adult
size so
the fish can grow into the tank without suffering stunting issues so a
100G+, 6' long tank (72" x 18" footprint) would be my minimum
recommended
size if you don't want to have to be changing tanks and equipment in a
year.
If you can go bigger, that would be even better.

Here's a few good profiles with lots of info and the Mongabay profile
has
links to much more info.

http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html

http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cichlids/oscar.html

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=531

Lenny Vasbinder
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I am interested in purchasing and caring for an Oscar and was wondering
if
anyone in here have any advice and information that they could possibly
share with me


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25414 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: New to Oscars and needing help
If there is anything specific you'd like to know, please feel free to
ask. Otherwise, in addition to the excellent recomendations Lenny had
given you, I'd like to add for you to be prepared to perform more
frequent PWC's (partial water changes) as the fish continues to grow.
If this increase in maintenance is not within your scope of caring for
such a fish, forget about owning an Oscar. These are one of the
Cichlids which are most prone to getting H-I-T-H (hole-in-the-head)
disease/syndrome without this care when nitrates are allowed to build
up.

As for feeding, stay away from live feeder fish, which not only might
the Oscar gain a preference for (to the exclusion of most other foods),
but they can carry diseases -- not to mention they're more expensive
than most other foods. You (and your Oscar) are much better off
starting him out with Cichlid pellets and/or sticks (both specifically
formulated to create a nutritious, balanced diet) supplemented with
such other foods as freeze-dried krill, earthworms and perhaps
mealworms and crickets although these last few foods are not essential;
earthworms (and nightcrawlers, when the Oscar gets bigger), however,
are especially enjoyed and provide an excellent source of protein).

Pellets come in various sizes (small, medium and large) and can be fed
to the Oscar in subsequent gradients as he grows, starting with small,
and as he grows to a size large enough for him to handle the medium
pellets, these can be mixed in with the small pellets for a short time
until he gets used to the fact they're also food. Ditto when he
becomes large enough to handle the large pellets. Cichlids are smart
(one of the smartest fish Families), but like most other fish they
often don't recognize a similar food as food if it doesn't appear more
like the food(s) they've gotten used to. For this reason, you need
to "wean" them to different foods when necessary, by mixing it with
their old food for a short while. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Taylor" <aquastud0@...>
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>
> I am interested in purchasing and caring for an Oscar and was
> wondering if anyone in here have any advice and information that they
> could possibly share with me
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25415 From: friendtoallfish Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: red clawed crabs
I have a red clawed crab in one of my tanks. Different websites say
different things so could someone tell me if they need access to land
or can they live fully submerged? Thanks
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25416 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: red clawed crabs
Yes these guys need land, and they are also brackish
water, without either of these, they usually do not
last long. Set it up in its own little aquarium, 10
gallons are nice for 1-2 of these guys as they are a
larger species than the normal fiddlers (Uca pugnax)
that you find. We use childrens play sandfor out sandy
beach, and made it 5" deeps as crabs like to burrow.
We then made the water just as deep, and used drift
wood and rocks for basking areas in the water. We also
use a small filter. These guys do not need high
salinity, we use 3 teaspoons of marine salt for the
tank, you basicly want to be around 5-15ppt. The like
to be kept warmer, we use a reptile basking area lamp
over our little fiddlers to keep their basking area at
78 degrees.

they are a passive animal, they dont really mess with
anything living, but if an fish dies, they are quick
to clean it up. They do well on sinking algae waffers,
sinking bottom feeder food, fresh seafood, frozen fish
foods, and even sinking fish pellets. They do best
with seafood intheir diet twice a week, we use frozen
squid from the pet store in the fish food freezer, but
you can also use fresh shrimp from your seafood
market, or other species of marine fish.

They can be kept with other fish, bt you will want to
go with a larger aquarium then, and invest in a nice
filter as these animals are rather messy.I keep ghost
shrimp in my tank with them, to help clean up ater the
messy crabs. And the crabs do not mess with them. They
do well with small gobys and live bearers as they do
not prey on the grabs. And please do not make the
mistake I have a customer make, place a puffer in
their crab tank....the leo puffer (Adult) decided to
make a meal of the crab..poor thing.

Hope that helps a little!

~Melissa

--- friendtoallfish <pearlysmith2000@...> wrote:

> I have a red clawed crab in one of my tanks.
> Different websites say
> different things so could someone tell me if they
> need access to land
> or can they live fully submerged? Thanks
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25417 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/15/2008
Subject: Re: red clawed crabs
The following reputable profiles say they should be kept in brackish water
with access to an area above water, either stacked rocks, a piece of
driftwood protruding out of the water, etc.

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile101.html

http://fish.mongabay.com/nonfish.htm

An individual's profile but seems well written -
http://www.geocities.com/elgecko1989/crab.html

Here's a couple of long articles on setting up a Brackish tank -

http://badmanstropicalfish.com/brackish/brackish.html

http://www.aquariumfish.com/aquariumfish/detail.aspx?aid=18925&cid=3788&sear
ch=

I did see one site that comes up high in searches but is notorious for
giving bad information along with good information. In this case, it seems
that bad won out since they start off saying the crabs do well in fresh
water and are truly aquatic, both of which do not seem to be correct.

http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/misc_critters/crabs.htm

Lenny Vasbinder
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:34 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] red clawed crabs

I have a red clawed crab in one of my tanks. Different websites say
different things so could someone tell me if they need access to land or can
they live fully submerged? Thanks


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25418 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Plastic Plant Care
This is from an article written by Jerry Michels and published in the
Aug/September 2003, issue of _Splash_, the publication of the Milwaukee
Aquarium Society. If there is interest, there are a total of 9 questions
that Jerry answers, tongue in cheek, and I will post them at appropriate
intervals so as not to overburden you.

Question # 1: Do plastic plants grow?

I've been doing experiments with plastic plants lately. One of my
experiments is to see if plastic plants grow. I thought that I was on to
something last week when my plastic hygro appeared to have grown about
an inch and a half. Upon further examination, I discovered that the
plant hadn't really grown - the background on that tank had slipped down
about two inches. On another occasion my eight
inch Brazilian sword appeared to have hot up. Come to find out, some of
the lead weights had fallen off and the plant had started to float. I
couldn't see the bottom of the plant because it was hidden behind some
rocks toward the back of the tank. Another way to get growth out of
plastic plants is to occasionally replace the plants with similar but
slightly larger plants. You can get quite a growth pattern if you start
with the four inch variety and work up to the maximum height for your
tank. It's good for six to twelve months.
By that time somebody will have caught on to your scheme and you'll have
to stop anyway. Use those shorter plants in other tanks
and you'll have some people fooled again. In any event, it's a lot more
fun to make plants grow without having to trim them back. Unless you
want to. Then go ahead and replant the shorter plants in reverse order
in the original tank. Bound to impress your neighbor. But you'll be in
trouble if he wants some of your cuttings for his bare tank.

\\Steve//
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25420 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Need help picking fish for a new tank
I'm starting my first saltwater tank. I've got my live rock in and
going, so I'm ready to start adding fish. I've got a 20 gallon tank,
with 16 lbs of rock, and the crushed coral substrate I have about 16-
17 gallons of actual water in it.

I'm planning to get a skunk cleaner shrimp, and some kind of crab -
maybe emerald or crown hermit, and *maybe* a turbo snail or something
to cling to the sides.

Other than that I figured 2-3 fish would sound about right. I'm
planning to get a common clown (since that seems to be a default
starter fish, and since my little nephew loves them). But I'm not
sure on what other type of fish to get. I've got a book and I've
marked a handful of fish that I might get; so I thought I'd come here
to get some suggestions. I'm look for essentially timid fish, that
are likely to get along with or ignore most other fish.

Here's some of the other fish I was looking at:
Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish
Bluestreak cleaner wrasse
Royal gramma
Blackcap gramma
Swissguard basslet
Suntail goby
Randall's shrimp goby
Spangled shrimp goby
Multibanded (greenbanded) goby
Catalina goby
Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby
Purple firefish
Helfrich's (lavender) firefish
Flame firefish
Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny")
Psychedelic mandarin dragonet
Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefish

Obviously I can't get all of these. I was thinking the clownfish,
some kind of goby or dragonet for the bottom, and then one of the
other type of fish (firefish, pipefish, wrasse, damselfish, gramma,
basslet) to swim around. Can anyone with a little more experience
than me offer up any suggestions on one or two of these that would
likely work well in my fish and rock only tank with a clownfish? Any
thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25421 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Plastic Plant Care
That was pretty entertaining.


-Mike



-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 5:03 pm
Subject: [AquaticLife] Plastic Plant Care







This is from an article written by Jerry Michels and published in the
Aug/September 2003, issue of _Splash_, the publication of the Milwaukee
Aquarium Society. If there is interest, there are a total of 9 questions
that Jerry answers, tongue in cheek, and I will post them at appropriate
intervals so as not to overburden you.

Question # 1: Do plastic plants grow?

I've been doing experiments with plastic plants lately. One of my
experiments is to see if plastic plants grow. I thought that I was on to
something last week when my plastic hygro appeared to have grown about
an inch and a half. Upon further examination, I discovered that the
plant hadn't really grown - the background on that tank had slipped down
about two inches. On another occasion my eight
inch Brazilian sword appeared to have hot up. Come to find out, some of
the lead weights had fallen off and the plant had started to float. I
couldn't see the bottom of the plant because it was hidden behind some
rocks toward the back of the tank. Another way to get growth out of
plastic plants is to occasionally replace the plants with similar but
slightly larger plants. You can get quite a growth pattern if you start
with the four inch variety and work up to the maximum height for your
tank. It's good for six to twelve months.
By that time somebody will have caught on to your scheme and you'll have
to stop anyway. Use those shorter plants in other tanks
and you'll have some people fooled again. In any event, it's a lot more
fun to make plants grow without having to trim them back. Unless you
want to. Then go ahead and replant the shorter plants in reverse order
in the original tank. Bound to impress your neighbor. But you'll be in
trouble if he wants some of your cuttings for his bare tank.

\\Steve//





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25422 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
I think you better check on the aggressiveness and ease of care for those
fish you have listed. I’m in about the same place as you, but I do know
that damselfish are aggressive and you have to be careful about what you put
with basslets. First I’d say research the clown (not one I’ve researched)
since that is your centerpiece and match up with that.



I will probably put a single Fridmani in my reef tank (planned but not
reality) or maybe a trio of green chromis. I’ve looked at Neon gobies too,
they seem to go with everything and be easy to keep.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rsteph49
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:21 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help picking fish for a new tank



I'm starting my first saltwater tank. I've got my live rock in and
going, so I'm ready to start adding fish. I've got a 20 gallon tank,
with 16 lbs of rock, and the crushed coral substrate I have about 16-
17 gallons of actual water in it.

I'm planning to get a skunk cleaner shrimp, and some kind of crab -
maybe emerald or crown hermit, and *maybe* a turbo snail or something
to cling to the sides.

Other than that I figured 2-3 fish would sound about right. I'm
planning to get a common clownfish (since that seems to be a default
starter fish, and since my little nephew loves them). But I'm not
sure on what other type of fish to get. I've got a book and I've
marked a handful of fish that I might get; so I thought I'd come here
to get some suggestions. I'm look for essentially timid fish, that
are likely to get along with or ignore most other fish.

Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish
Bluestreak cleaner wrasse
Royal gramma
Blackcap gramma
Swissguard basslet
Suntail goby
Randall's shrimp goby
Spangled shrimp goby
Multibanded (greenbanded) goby
Catalina goby
Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby
Purple firefish
Helfrich's (lavender) firefish
Flame firefish
Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny")
Psychedelic mandarin dragonet
Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefish

Obviously I can't get all of these. I was thinking the clownfish,
some kind of goby or dragonet for the bottom, and then one of the
other type of fish (firefish, pipefish, wrasse, damselfish, gramma,
basslet) to swim around. Can anyone with a little more experience
than me offer up any suggestions on one or two of these that would
likely work well in my fish and rock only tank with a clownfish? Any
thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25423 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish .too agresive for your size tank
Bluestreak cleaner wrasse,They bugg the fish too much
Royal gramma A good choice
Blackcap gramma No experience
Swissguard basslet Agressive
Suntail goby No experience
Randall's shrimp goby Good choice
Spangled shrimp goby Good choice
Multibanded (greenbanded) goby good choice
Catalina goby Not too hardy
Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby Good choice
Purple firefish Good choice,more expensive
Helfrich's (lavender) firefish Good choice(not as hardy as Flame
Flame firefish Good choice
Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny") Hard to keep
Psychedelic mandarin dragonet Need lots of live rock. Can be trained to eat frozen foods. Does best in mature reefs.
Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefis Requires live foods in most cases

This is just my openion, not concrete!
Sissy Sathre
DBA Aquariums By Sissy
www.aquariumsbysissy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: rsteph49
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 8:21 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help picking fish for a new tank


I'm starting my first saltwater tank. I've got my live rock in and
going, so I'm ready to start adding fish. I've got a 20 gallon tank,
with 16 lbs of rock, and the crushed coral substrate I have about 16-
17 gallons of actual water in it.

I'm planning to get a skunk cleaner shrimp, and some kind of crab -
maybe emerald or crown hermit, and *maybe* a turbo snail or something
to cling to the sides.

Other than that I figured 2-3 fish would sound about right. I'm
planning to get a common clownfish (since that seems to be a default
starter fish, and since my little nephew loves them). But I'm not
sure on what other type of fish to get. I've got a book and I've
marked a handful of fish that I might get; so I thought I'd come here
to get some suggestions. I'm look for essentially timid fish, that
are likely to get along with or ignore most other fish.

Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish
Bluestreak cleaner wrasse
Royal gramma
Blackcap gramma
Swissguard basslet
Suntail goby
Randall's shrimp goby
Spangled shrimp goby
Multibanded (greenbanded) goby
Catalina goby
Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby
Purple firefish
Helfrich's (lavender) firefish
Flame firefish
Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny")
Psychedelic mandarin dragonet
Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefish

Obviously I can't get all of these. I was thinking the clownfish,
some kind of goby or dragonet for the bottom, and then one of the
other type of fish (firefish, pipefish, wrasse, damselfish, gramma,
basslet) to swim around. Can anyone with a little more experience
than me offer up any suggestions on one or two of these that would
likely work well in my fish and rock only tank with a clownfish? Any
thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25424 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 1/16/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
If you get tank raised neon goby they are very hardy and a great choice.
Sissy Sathre
DBA Aquariums By Sissy
www.aquariumsbysissy.com
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From: Donna Ransome
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Need help picking fish for a new tank


I think you better check on the aggressiveness and ease of care for those
fish you have listed. I'm in about the same place as you, but I do know
that damselfish are aggressive and you have to be careful about what you put
with basslets. First I'd say research the clown (not one I've researched)
since that is your centerpiece and match up with that.

I will probably put a single Fridmani in my reef tank (planned but not
reality) or maybe a trio of green chromis. I've looked at Neon gobies too,
they seem to go with everything and be easy to keep.

_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rsteph49
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:21 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Need help picking fish for a new tank

I'm starting my first saltwater tank. I've got my live rock in and
going, so I'm ready to start adding fish. I've got a 20 gallon tank,
with 16 lbs of rock, and the crushed coral substrate I have about 16-
17 gallons of actual water in it.

I'm planning to get a skunk cleaner shrimp, and some kind of crab -
maybe emerald or crown hermit, and *maybe* a turbo snail or something
to cling to the sides.

Other than that I figured 2-3 fish would sound about right. I'm
planning to get a common clownfish (since that seems to be a default
starter fish, and since my little nephew loves them). But I'm not
sure on what other type of fish to get. I've got a book and I've
marked a handful of fish that I might get; so I thought I'd come here
to get some suggestions. I'm look for essentially timid fish, that
are likely to get along with or ignore most other fish.

Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish
Bluestreak cleaner wrasse
Royal gramma
Blackcap gramma
Swissguard basslet
Suntail goby
Randall's shrimp goby
Spangled shrimp goby
Multibanded (greenbanded) goby
Catalina goby
Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby
Purple firefish
Helfrich's (lavender) firefish
Flame firefish
Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny")
Psychedelic mandarin dragonet
Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefish

Obviously I can't get all of these. I was thinking the clownfish,
some kind of goby or dragonet for the bottom, and then one of the
other type of fish (firefish, pipefish, wrasse, damselfish, gramma,
basslet) to swim around. Can anyone with a little more experience
than me offer up any suggestions on one or two of these that would
likely work well in my fish and rock only tank with a clownfish? Any
thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25425 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Thank you for the run down that will be very helpful in making my
decision. Having no experience yet with saltwater fish, I've been
really relying on the insights of those with experience in the
subject.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Sissy Sathre" <ssathre@...>
wrote:
>
> Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
> Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish .too agresive for your size tank
> Bluestreak cleaner wrasse,They bugg the fish too much
> Royal gramma A good choice
> Blackcap gramma No experience
> Swissguard basslet Agressive
> Suntail goby No experience
> Randall's shrimp goby Good choice
> Spangled shrimp goby Good choice
> Multibanded (greenbanded) goby good choice
> Catalina goby Not too hardy
> Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby Good choice
> Purple firefish Good choice,more expensive
> Helfrich's (lavender) firefish Good choice(not as hardy as Flame
> Flame firefish Good choice
> Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny") Hard to keep
> Psychedelic mandarin dragonet Need lots of live rock. Can be
trained to eat frozen foods. Does best in mature reefs.
> Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefis Requires live foods in most cases
>
> This is just my openion, not concrete!
> Sissy Sathre
> DBA Aquariums By Sissy
> www.aquariumsbysissy.com
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25426 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Oh that’s the other thing. I’m not a rabid environmentalist, but buying
tank raised marine fish instead of wild caught, you can avoid accidentally
supporting cruel collection techniques that hurt the fish and kill the reefs
(explosives, cyanide, etc.).



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rsteph49
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:12 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank



Thank you for the run down that will be very helpful in making my
decision. Having no experience yet with saltwater fish, I've been
really relying on the insights of those with experience in the
subject.

--- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
"Sissy Sathre" <ssathre@...>
wrote:
>
> Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
> Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish .too agresive for your size tank
> Bluestreak cleaner wrasse,They bugg the fish too much
> Royal gramma A good choice
> Blackcap gramma No experience
> Swissguard basslet Agressive
> Suntail goby No experience
> Randall's shrimp goby Good choice
> Spangled shrimp goby Good choice
> Multibanded (greenbanded) goby good choice
> Catalina goby Not too hardy
> Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby Good choice
> Purple firefish Good choice,more expensive
> Helfrich's (lavender) firefish Good choice(not as hardy as Flame
> Flame firefish Good choice
> Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny") Hard to keep
> Psychedelic mandarin dragonet Need lots of live rock. Can be
trained to eat frozen foods. Does best in mature reefs.
> Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefis Requires live foods in most cases
>
> This is just my openion, not concrete!
> Sissy Sathre
> DBA Aquariums By Sissy
> www.aquariumsbysissy.com





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25427 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
if you have no experience with saltwater fish, you should start out with damsels and clowns. yes they are aggressive, but, they are very hardy and immune to most diseases. they are great to cycle a new tank, and very inexpensive.
in my opinion, there is nothing on this list that would be good to cycle a new tank. most on the list are not hardy, and can only be kept with like species.
do not be discouraged when it comes to saltwater keeping. everyone will tell you their own opinion when i comes to saltwater aquaria, and this is just mine.












----- Original Message ----
From: rsteph49 <rsteph49@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 11:11:40 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank

Thank you for the run down that will be very helpful in making my
decision. Having no experience yet with saltwater fish, I've been
really relying on the insights of those with experience in the
subject.

--- In AquaticLife@ yahoogroups. com, "Sissy Sathre" <ssathre@... >
wrote:
>
> Here's some of the other fish I was looking at (from a book I have):
> Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish .too agresive for your size tank
> Bluestreak cleaner wrasse,They bugg the fish too much
> Royal gramma A good choice
> Blackcap gramma No experience
> Swissguard basslet Agressive
> Suntail goby No experience
> Randall's shrimp goby Good choice
> Spangled shrimp goby Good choice
> Multibanded (greenbanded) goby good choice
> Catalina goby Not too hardy
> Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby Good choice
> Purple firefish Good choice,more expensive
> Helfrich's (lavender) firefish Good choice(not as hardy as Flame
> Flame firefish Good choice
> Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny") Hard to keep
> Psychedelic mandarin dragonet Need lots of live rock. Can be
trained to eat frozen foods. Does best in mature reefs.
> Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefis Requires live foods in most cases
>
> This is just my openion, not concrete!
> Sissy Sathre
> DBA Aquariums By Sissy
> www.aquariumsbysiss y.com





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25428 From: sirazgiga Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: RedSea Aquarium
Hi,

I bought a RedSea Aquarium about 3 weeks ago. We put in 2 Damsels and
1 Arrowhead Crab a week later. The fish have been fine and look
healthy, but the tank has developed a lot of algae over the last week.
Is this a good thing or bad thing? Also yesterday the Electric Blue
Damsel just completely disappeared.

Do i need to do anything to the tank to a: clean algae and b: make sure
the blue damsel has not died and started rotting in the back?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25429 From: Farscape Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
I'd recently read that arrow crabs are opportunistic feeders, meaning
that if a fish rests on the bottom to sleep near them, the fish is
likely to become a large meal for the crab.

Other than that, I have little knowledge of them.


sirazgiga wrote, On 1/17/2008 9:50 AM:
> I bought a RedSea Aquarium about 3 weeks ago. We put in 2 Damsels and
> 1 Arrowhead Crab a week later. The fish have been fine and look
> healthy, but the tank has developed a lot of algae over the last week.
> Is this a good thing or bad thing? Also yesterday the Electric Blue
> Damsel just completely disappeared.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25430 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
don't worry about the algae. just your tank going through the cycle period. is the algae green,brown,purple,red.. if it comes off when you wipe it, then its fine. if it dont come off and is like sludge then that is not good. you should be able to do with a couple of turbo snails, they love to eat algae.


----- Original Message ----
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To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:50:48 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] RedSea Aquarium

Hi,

I bought a RedSea Aquarium about 3 weeks ago. We put in 2 Damsels and
1 Arrowhead Crab a week later. The fish have been fine and look
healthy, but the tank has developed a lot of algae over the last week.
Is this a good thing or bad thing? Also yesterday the Electric Blue
Damsel just completely disappeared.

Do i need to do anything to the tank to a: clean algae and b: make sure
the blue damsel has not died and started rotting in the back?





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25431 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/17/2008
Subject: Re: RedSea Aquarium
Arrowhead crabs are quite opportunistic. if anything holds still too long they are one it. icluding urchins, starfish, anemone, and anything else that holds still.
if the damsel disappeeared then the crab would have ate the remains by now.




----- Original Message ----
From: Farscape <Farscape@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:24:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] RedSea Aquarium

I'd recently read that arrow crabs are opportunistic feeders, meaning
that if a fish rests on the bottom to sleep near them, the fish is
likely to become a large meal for the crab.

Other than that, I have little knowledge of them.

sirazgiga wrote, On 1/17/2008 9:50 AM:
> I bought a RedSea Aquarium about 3 weeks ago. We put in 2 Damsels and
> 1 Arrowhead Crab a week later. The fish have been fine and look
> healthy, but the tank has developed a lot of algae over the last week.
> Is this a good thing or bad thing? Also yesterday the Electric Blue
> Damsel just completely disappeared.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25432 From: Melissa Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Beginner's questions
Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general. I
don't know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading
trying to figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one
about fish food and one about live plants.

We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a
new heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far,
we filled the tank with tap water and had the filter going for a
couple of days, then we bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of
chemicals. I believe one bottle was water conditioner and one bottle
was ammonia, nitrite, etc.. reducer. Well we added the chemicals and
the heater and ran it a couple more days.

After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not
overly so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1
possibly male red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy)
and 1 red-bellied pacu. I have since learned that pacus are a very
large fish so if he lives and outgrows the tank we'll either get a
bigger tank or give him away. Apparantly though the water conditions
were passable because all the fish seem to be active and content. At
the recomendation of the fish guy at the store, we bought shrimp
pellets instead of flake food. He said the pellets don't gunk up the
tank as much.

My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the
pellets. I'm afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and the
platies aren't getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food for
them and continue to feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait
a day or so more to see if they look underfed? It has only been 2
days since we bought the fish. Also, how often do I feed the fish?

My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants
and natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first
set up the tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were no
instructions but the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow
within 30 days. One of the plants show growth so far. The others
don't yet but they do show signs of fungus. Is this a normal part of
their growth or are these bulbs bad and I should throw them out
right away? Never having an aquarium before, I am unsure about all
of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy plants from? The
selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be desired
which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.

Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be
appreciated. Thanks Melissa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25433 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Bring back the Pacu immediately and get a store credit and give the store
manager a good talking to for even selling Pacu's... they need a 1,000G tank
which nobody but the richest or the very experienced and diligent can
afford. Pet stores and fish stores should not be selling them to the
general public. He will most certainly suffer and die a very early death in
your tank. It would be like locking up a horse in your bathroom to live out
its life. It's inhumane and borderline animal cruelty. Sorry to be so
rough and I know it's not your fault... I'm just trying to motivate you for
when you give the pet store manager a good talking to!!! ;-)

You won't be able to give him away. There are thousands of people out here
trying to give away BIG fish they unwisely purchased thinking they would get
a bigger tank one day. It's not fair to you or your fish.

Further, none of your other fish will survive if you keep the Pacu in your
tank.

For a good basic course in fish keeping, go to my blog (link in my sig) and
on the right side, there is a link to "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and on that
page, right near the top, are two links to online fish keeping tutorials
that you can take which will walk you through all of the basics from proper
setup, getting the tank "cycled" (the nitrogen cycle.. not just running the
filters), proper stocking, planting a tank, etc... all of the things you
have questions about now and many more that will come up soon.

On another page, I have a "10 gallon tank stocking list" which will give you
a list of suitable fish for your 10G tank and the numbers of each to
properly stock your tank.

Come back here and ask all the questions you may have about anything you do
not fully comprehend from my blog.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:31 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Beginner's questions

Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general. I don't
know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading trying to
figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one about fish food and
one about live plants.

We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a new
heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far, we filled the
tank with tap water and had the filter going for a couple of days, then we
bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of chemicals. I believe one bottle
was water conditioner and one bottle was ammonia, nitrite, etc.. reducer.
Well we added the chemicals and the heater and ran it a couple more days.

After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not overly
so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1 possibly male
red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy) and 1 red-bellied pacu.
I have since learned that pacus are a very large fish so if he lives and
outgrows the tank we'll either get a bigger tank or give him away.
Apparantly though the water conditions were passable because all the fish
seem to be active and content. At the recomendation of the fish guy at the
store, we bought shrimp pellets instead of flake food. He said the pellets
don't gunk up the tank as much.

My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the pellets. I'm
afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and the platies aren't
getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food for them and continue to
feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait a day or so more to see if
they look underfed? It has only been 2 days since we bought the fish. Also,
how often do I feed the fish?

My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants and
natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first set up the
tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were no instructions but
the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow within 30 days. One of the
plants show growth so far. The others don't yet but they do show signs of
fungus. Is this a normal part of their growth or are these bulbs bad and I
should throw them out right away? Never having an aquarium before, I am
unsure about all of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy plants from?
The selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be desired
which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.

Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be appreciated.
Thanks Melissa


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25434 From: Melissa Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
I had already contemplated bring him back anyway. Thanks for all of
your advice. I'll be sure to check out your blog.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Bring back the Pacu immediately and get a store credit and give
the store
> manager a good talking to for even selling Pacu's... they need a
1,000G tank
> which nobody but the richest or the very experienced and diligent
can
> afford. Pet stores and fish stores should not be selling them to
the
> general public. He will most certainly suffer and die a very
early death in
> your tank. It would be like locking up a horse in your bathroom
to live out
> its life. It's inhumane and borderline animal cruelty. Sorry to
be so
> rough and I know it's not your fault... I'm just trying to
motivate you for
> when you give the pet store manager a good talking to!!! ;-)
>
> You won't be able to give him away. There are thousands of people
out here
> trying to give away BIG fish they unwisely purchased thinking they
would get
> a bigger tank one day. It's not fair to you or your fish.
>
> Further, none of your other fish will survive if you keep the Pacu
in your
> tank.
>
> For a good basic course in fish keeping, go to my blog (link in my
sig) and
> on the right side, there is a link to "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and
on that
> page, right near the top, are two links to online fish keeping
tutorials
> that you can take which will walk you through all of the basics
from proper
> setup, getting the tank "cycled" (the nitrogen cycle.. not just
running the
> filters), proper stocking, planting a tank, etc... all of the
things you
> have questions about now and many more that will come up soon.
>
> On another page, I have a "10 gallon tank stocking list" which
will give you
> a list of suitable fish for your 10G tank and the numbers of each
to
> properly stock your tank.
>
> Come back here and ask all the questions you may have about
anything you do
> not fully comprehend from my blog.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Melissa
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 12:31 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Beginner's questions
>
> Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general.
I don't
> know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading
trying to
> figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one about fish
food and
> one about live plants.
>
> We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a
new
> heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far, we
filled the
> tank with tap water and had the filter going for a couple of days,
then we
> bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of chemicals. I believe
one bottle
> was water conditioner and one bottle was ammonia, nitrite, etc..
reducer.
> Well we added the chemicals and the heater and ran it a couple
more days.
>
> After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not
overly
> so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1
possibly male
> red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy) and 1 red-
bellied pacu.
> I have since learned that pacus are a very large fish so if he
lives and
> outgrows the tank we'll either get a bigger tank or give him away.
> Apparantly though the water conditions were passable because all
the fish
> seem to be active and content. At the recomendation of the fish
guy at the
> store, we bought shrimp pellets instead of flake food. He said the
pellets
> don't gunk up the tank as much.
>
> My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the
pellets. I'm
> afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and the platies
aren't
> getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food for them and
continue to
> feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait a day or so more to
see if
> they look underfed? It has only been 2 days since we bought the
fish. Also,
> how often do I feed the fish?
>
> My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants
and
> natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first set
up the
> tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were no
instructions but
> the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow within 30 days.
One of the
> plants show growth so far. The others don't yet but they do show
signs of
> fungus. Is this a normal part of their growth or are these bulbs
bad and I
> should throw them out right away? Never having an aquarium before,
I am
> unsure about all of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy
plants from?
> The selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be
desired
> which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.
>
> Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be
appreciated.
> Thanks Melissa
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25435 From: Jodi Lynn Reeves Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group
Well, I found someone to take the fish, Grandma. I had to tell my
children that they can visit them when ever they want to. I have taken
down the tank and cleaned it. I am just going to store the tank and the
stuff to go with it and wait until I can afford a bigger tank. I just
wanted to let you know that the fish have been taken care of. Jodi in
Herington.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25436 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/18/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Can you tell us which tests you performed and what the readings were?
Around here, we like numbers. It gives us a much better idea of what is
going on.

When you take a look at Lenny's blog, you need to learn about the
Nitrogen, or Biological, cycle--I'm not sure how he has it labeled
there, as I have never been.

The fish guy of which you speak has done you a disservice by not
recommending some readings before you start. While the web is a
wonderful place, with information laying around all over, you do need to
be able to discern which information is good, which is so-so, and which
is out and out bad. There are any number of books he could have
recommended to you prior to your setting up a tank and getting fish. I
like the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas_ volume 1. It has a pretty good section
on setting up and maintaining a tank. It has a short section on plants
for and in the aquarium, and, above all, it has fish. Lots and lots of
fish. Many fish you may never see in you r local store. Many fish that
you will see in your local store. And with each fish, there is a brief
descriptive section telling you about the fish and its needs. A little
searching and you can find this book for around $40, much less if you
check out the used book stores.

Lenny already covered the pacu situation. If it actually a red bellied
pacu, _Colossoma macropomum_, it will reach over 3 ft in length, which
pretty much means it is already too big for your 10 gallon tank.
However, it could be a redbelly piranha, _Pygocentrus nattereri_ or
_Serrasalmus spilopleura_, which will only reach 8 or 13 inches
depending on the exact species, either of which could make short work of
other fish in the tank. And, there are other piranha that have red in
their names. Tacking on the pacu descriptor justs makes it quasi legal
to sell them in many jurisdictions, unless the animal control units have
a guy that knows his fish. Correctly identifying a species by a common
name is fraught with danger, especially in retail channels where names
come and go until one is found to sell a fish.

My guess is that the pacu is getting most of the food, so you need to
watch them carefully when you feed. The platys will not eat much
compared to the pacu, after all, he is a growing boy, and has a much
larger stomach. Also, feed some vegetable matter. Both the platys and
the pacu need it in their diets.

I can picture the bulbs you have and how the grow in my mind, but the
name escapes me right now. They are said to be easy to grow, but my
experience with them has been the opposite, but hey, this is coming from
a guy that cannot keep a certain easy beginner type of fish alive, never
mind breed them, but has been successful with fish many would not even
consider keeping because of the difficulty in doing so. As they say,
your mileage may vary.

So, get yourself a book. Get us the exact numbers on your test kits,
along with the tests you are performing, so we can base our advice on
some facts, and not just speculation.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Melissa
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:31 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Beginner's questions

Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general. I
don't know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading
trying to figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one
about fish food and one about live plants.

We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a
new heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far,
we filled the tank with tap water and had the filter going for a
couple of days, then we bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of
chemicals. I believe one bottle was water conditioner and one bottle
was ammonia, nitrite, etc.. reducer. Well we added the chemicals and
the heater and ran it a couple more days.

After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not
overly so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1
possibly male red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy)
and 1 red-bellied pacu. I have since learned that pacus are a very
large fish so if he lives and outgrows the tank we'll either get a
bigger tank or give him away. Apparantly though the water conditions
were passable because all the fish seem to be active and content. At
the recomendation of the fish guy at the store, we bought shrimp
pellets instead of flake food. He said the pellets don't gunk up the
tank as much.

My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the
pellets. I'm afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and the
platies aren't getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food for
them and continue to feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait
a day or so more to see if they look underfed? It has only been 2
days since we bought the fish. Also, how often do I feed the fish?

My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants
and natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first
set up the tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were no
instructions but the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow
within 30 days. One of the plants show growth so far. The others
don't yet but they do show signs of fungus. Is this a normal part of
their growth or are these bulbs bad and I should throw them out
right away? Never having an aquarium before, I am unsure about all
of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy plants from? The
selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be desired
which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.

Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be
appreciated. Thanks Melissa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25437 From: bmp Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Mopani wood v. Swahala wood
Hi everyone,

As I was reading catalogues, trying to find some good
wood for use in my new tank I became aware that some
places sell Mopani wood and some sell Swahala wood and
both look the same to me (2 shades of brown with much
gnarling and natural grooves in the wood). I know a
little about Botswana and that part of Africa so I
know a little about mopani trees and mopani worms
(said to be delicious when fried, haha) but I've never
before heard of Swahala wood. Are they in fact the
same with different names just to make them sound
different or more exotic?

I"m just wondering as my mopani wood pieces sit in a
bucket of water on the patio, releasing their tannins.

Happy Saturday! I hope you can enjoy it all day long.

Beverly


Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25438 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: New to the group
I'm very new to truly serious fish keeping too -- my daughter has a 10 or 15 gallon tank w/ a single little fish in it; I'm the primary caretaker, but all that really means is that I remember to feed him and do partial water changes and periodically do a quick amonia test although he is by all accounts healthy and happy.

However, I arrived here because I'm starting my own 100 gallon planted tank of cool water fishes -- but I've seen some beautiful 10 gallon planted tanks. You just have to watch what kinds of fish you get because of the whole size issue (as mentioned.) Pet store clerks don't even always realize that they're giving bad advice...we learned that when we bought the first round of fish for my daughter's tank... poor things didn't live long and I learned to do my own research before committing to taking care of something living. But anyway, what I wanted to say was don't give up! You can have a beautiful planted 10 gallon tank (and probably spend a lot less than I've got going so far!) As I understand it - and it seems to make sense -- it's better (on you) to get the plants in first, then add fish. Your plant choices will largely influence other choices (although your fish choices will influence your plant choices - since you want tropical fish, you'll need warm water
plants as well.)

Anyway - don't give up! Keep researching. If you do a couple of google searches on planted aquariums, you'll come up with some gorgeous planted tank photos, some of them very small. Remember, the smaller the tank the smaller the budget... (something I almost wish I'd thought of, but I'm too much a sucker for big fish -- as it is, I wish I had the money/space for a couple of 300 gallon tanks, but alas, turning my home into the neighbourhood aquarium isn't an option... sigh. I'll have to make due w/ one tank of medium sized fish. ;)

Best of luck,
Helen

ps -- my experience as a 'terrestrial' gardner is that whenever possible I like to start w/ growing plants, not bulbs. I've heard/read that you can 'sprout' some of your aquatic plant bulbs first and then plant them and I may give that a try -- but whenever possible, I like to start w/ live, growing plants, preferrably purchased locally (although sometimes mail order is the only option.) It is rarely as easy to grow something from a bulb or seed as it says on the package -- I think that's just a marketing ploy "here, buy this, it's easy..." again, good luck and don't give up.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25439 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
Assuming that you have a pacu, you will not be able to have live
plants in your tank because the pacu is like a living lawnmower.
The plants that you have in bulb form are likely to be
Aponogeton and/or Nymphaea or you night have some Crimum with them. I
would leave the bulbs in the tank for a little longer because they
might take a few weeks to sprout. but the pacu would keep them mowed
down and you would not know if they do sprout.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> Can you tell us which tests you performed and what the readings
were?
> Around here, we like numbers. It gives us a much better idea of
what is
> going on.
>
> When you take a look at Lenny's blog, you need to learn about the
> Nitrogen, or Biological, cycle--I'm not sure how he has it labeled
> there, as I have never been.
>
> The fish guy of which you speak has done you a disservice by not
> recommending some readings before you start. While the web is a
> wonderful place, with information laying around all over, you do
need to
> be able to discern which information is good, which is so-so, and
which
> is out and out bad. There are any number of books he could have
> recommended to you prior to your setting up a tank and getting
fish. I
> like the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas_ volume 1. It has a pretty good
section
> on setting up and maintaining a tank. It has a short section on
plants
> for and in the aquarium, and, above all, it has fish. Lots and lots
of
> fish. Many fish you may never see in you r local store. Many fish
that
> you will see in your local store. And with each fish, there is a
brief
> descriptive section telling you about the fish and its needs. A
little
> searching and you can find this book for around $40, much less if
you
> check out the used book stores.
>
> Lenny already covered the pacu situation. If it actually a red
bellied
> pacu, _Colossoma macropomum_, it will reach over 3 ft in length,
which
> pretty much means it is already too big for your 10 gallon tank.
> However, it could be a redbelly piranha, _Pygocentrus nattereri_ or
> _Serrasalmus spilopleura_, which will only reach 8 or 13 inches
> depending on the exact species, either of which could make short
work of
> other fish in the tank. And, there are other piranha that have red
in
> their names. Tacking on the pacu descriptor justs makes it quasi
legal
> to sell them in many jurisdictions, unless the animal control units
have
> a guy that knows his fish. Correctly identifying a species by a
common
> name is fraught with danger, especially in retail channels where
names
> come and go until one is found to sell a fish.
>
> My guess is that the pacu is getting most of the food, so you need
to
> watch them carefully when you feed. The platys will not eat much
> compared to the pacu, after all, he is a growing boy, and has a much
> larger stomach. Also, feed some vegetable matter. Both the platys
and
> the pacu need it in their diets.
>
> I can picture the bulbs you have and how the grow in my mind, but
the
> name escapes me right now. They are said to be easy to grow, but my
> experience with them has been the opposite, but hey, this is coming
from
> a guy that cannot keep a certain easy beginner type of fish alive,
never
> mind breed them, but has been successful with fish many would not
even
> consider keeping because of the difficulty in doing so. As they say,
> your mileage may vary.
>
> So, get yourself a book. Get us the exact numbers on your test kits,
> along with the tests you are performing, so we can base our advice
on
> some facts, and not just speculation.
>
> \\Steve//
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Melissa
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:31 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Beginner's questions
>
> Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general.
I
> don't know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading
> trying to figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one
> about fish food and one about live plants.
>
> We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a
> new heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far,
> we filled the tank with tap water and had the filter going for a
> couple of days, then we bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of
> chemicals. I believe one bottle was water conditioner and one
bottle
> was ammonia, nitrite, etc.. reducer. Well we added the chemicals
and
> the heater and ran it a couple more days.
>
> After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not
> overly so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1
> possibly male red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy)
> and 1 red-bellied pacu. I have since learned that pacus are a very
> large fish so if he lives and outgrows the tank we'll either get a
> bigger tank or give him away. Apparantly though the water
conditions
> were passable because all the fish seem to be active and content.
At
> the recomendation of the fish guy at the store, we bought shrimp
> pellets instead of flake food. He said the pellets don't gunk up
the
> tank as much.
>
> My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the
> pellets. I'm afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and
the
> platies aren't getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food
for
> them and continue to feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait
> a day or so more to see if they look underfed? It has only been 2
> days since we bought the fish. Also, how often do I feed the fish?
>
> My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants
> and natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first
> set up the tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were
no
> instructions but the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow
> within 30 days. One of the plants show growth so far. The others
> don't yet but they do show signs of fungus. Is this a normal part
of
> their growth or are these bulbs bad and I should throw them out
> right away? Never having an aquarium before, I am unsure about all
> of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy plants from? The
> selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be desired
> which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.
>
> Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be
> appreciated. Thanks Melissa
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25440 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
Hello this is to inform you that if you are in the Springfield Ma. area
on February 10 you are invited to come to out giant aquarium club
auction. You can get more information at
http://www.pvas.net/html/index.php
I hope to see a lot of you there. Walk in balance,
William
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25441 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: hi
i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
i know where to get them live
theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
they are brown orange in color
the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i know
if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25442 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
I'm almost tempted to go up. I'm out of kielbasa, and what better place to get some than Chicopee? Do they still serve the hot dogs at the auction?

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10

Hello this is to inform you that if you are in the Springfield Ma. area
on February 10 you are invited to come to out giant aquarium club
auction. You can get more information at
http://www.pvas.net/html/index.php
I hope to see a lot of you there. Walk in balance,
William



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25443 From: James Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: hi
Hello and welcome to the group. You could buy eels I think only one
could live in a tank and they are carnivores and they require big tanks.
LiveAquaria
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
.10000011&type=3&subid=0> sells 30 different eels and they have
information about each eel.

James
Your Fish Tank Guru <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rcdtrc" <rcdtrc@...> wrote:
>
> i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
> i know where to get them live
> theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
> they are brown orange in color
> the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i know
> if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
> they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25444 From: James Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: Need help picking fish for a new tank
Hello what I would do to see if fish are compatible at least is go to
websites that sell Fish. I know very little about salt water tanks.
Websites I know that sell Saltwater fish is LiveAquaria
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
.10000036&type=4&subid=0> which is where I actually buy my Tropical
Fish. They have a simple computability chart on the site as well.

If anybody knows about Saltwater tanks please email me I would like to
learn more.

James
Your Fish Tank Guru <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rsteph49" <rsteph49@...> wrote:
>
> I'm starting my first saltwater tank. I've got my live rock in and
> going, so I'm ready to start adding fish. I've got a 20 gallon tank,
> with 16 lbs of rock, and the crushed coral substrate I have about 16-
> 17 gallons of actual water in it.
>
> I'm planning to get a skunk cleaner shrimp, and some kind of crab -
> maybe emerald or crown hermit, and *maybe* a turbo snail or something
> to cling to the sides.
>
> Other than that I figured 2-3 fish would sound about right. I'm
> planning to get a common clown (since that seems to be a default
> starter fish, and since my little nephew loves them). But I'm not
> sure on what other type of fish to get. I've got a book and I've
> marked a handful of fish that I might get; so I thought I'd come here
> to get some suggestions. I'm look for essentially timid fish, that
> are likely to get along with or ignore most other fish.
>
> Here's some of the other fish I was looking at:
> Fijian blue-and-gold damselfish
> Bluestreak cleaner wrasse
> Royal gramma
> Blackcap gramma
> Swissguard basslet
> Suntail goby
> Randall's shrimp goby
> Spangled shrimp goby
> Multibanded (greenbanded) goby
> Catalina goby
> Antenna (hi-fin banded) goby
> Purple firefish
> Helfrich's (lavender) firefish
> Flame firefish
> Pink scooter dragonet ("blenny")
> Psychedelic mandarin dragonet
> Blue-and-orange cleaner pipefish
>
> Obviously I can't get all of these. I was thinking the clownfish,
> some kind of goby or dragonet for the bottom, and then one of the
> other type of fish (firefish, pipefish, wrasse, damselfish, gramma,
> basslet) to swim around. Can anyone with a little more experience
> than me offer up any suggestions on one or two of these that would
> likely work well in my fish and rock only tank with a clownfish? Any
> thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25445 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Can anyone suggest a good skimmer
I've got a 20 gallon tank, and I'm looking for a good, basic, protein
skimmer.

Can anyone suggest a brand/model and/or a good website to purchase one
from. The pet stores around here all either sell skimmers that are way
too big, or ones that I've heard from others isn't very good. I'd like
something kind of basic and small, so it doesn't take up too much of my
already somewhat limited tank space.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25446 From: dtrc rc Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: hi
thanks
i think its an asian swamp eel
it doesnt seem like people would keep it as a pet

James <jim_d72@...> wrote:
Hello and welcome to the group. You could buy eels I think only one
could live in a tank and they are carnivores and they require big tanks.
LiveAquaria
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
.10000011&type=3&subid=0> sells 30 different eels and they have
information about each eel.

James
Your Fish Tank Guru <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rcdtrc" <rcdtrc@...> wrote:
>
> i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
> i know where to get them live
> theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
> they are brown orange in color
> the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i know
> if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
> they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25447 From: William Date: 1/19/2008
Subject: Re: There is going to be a big aquarium auction on February 10
Of course there will be plenty of food for everyone and cheap too.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>
> I'm almost tempted to go up. I'm out of kielbasa, and what better
place to get some than Chicopee? Do they still serve the hot dogs at
the auction?
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of William
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:17 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] There is going to be a big aquarium auction
on February 10
>
> Hello this is to inform you that if you are in the Springfield Ma.
area
> on February 10 you are invited to come to out giant aquarium club
> auction. You can get more information at
> http://www.pvas.net/html/index.php
> I hope to see a lot of you there. Walk in balance,
> William
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25448 From: smallron77 Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Fake Aquarium Rocks "So Light and So Real Looking"
Hi,
I make Fake Aquarium Rocks that are Very Safe ,and Very Real Looking,
I make them mainly as hobby, and I get plenty of comments "they are
best they've Seen"
They are all Hand made and much Lighter than Natural Rocks. Some have
many Holes in them for the Fish to swim through, some have none, some
have Caves for Hiding and Breeding.

They can come in any Colour, mainly Blackish Grey or Reddish, ( when I
say blackish grey etc. that colour may have 5 different colours
thruout the Rock )...they can also have Fake Algae or not. Below are a
couple of samples . Please take into acount that the Rocks them selves
look heaps better than what the images show.

If you are interested and want more info...Please Email or Phone me
and I will send you a Link to a Website that has a lot more Images of
the Rocks .
I don't have facilities to post Overseas.

I live in Sydney Australia.
Thanks Ron......... ronsmall@... Mobile : 0407069992
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25449 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: New to group
Hi my name is Amy and I am looking to see if this is the right group
for me. I am a very beginner SW fishkeeper, but very experienced
with fresh and brackish tanks. At this point in time this is what I
have:

72 gal. SW with: 1-Snowflake Eel, 1-Red Lionfish, 1-Longtubed
Anemone, and 5-Damsels that I used for cycling tank and they stayed
alive...lol.

55 gal. Brackish with: 1-GS Puffer, 1-F8 Puffer, 2-SS Scats, and 1-
Fan Dancer Goby (her mate died recently) ****note the GS Puffer and
Fan Dancer are both 3 yrs old now and now need to be moved into fresh
watr for retirement****

55 gal. Empty: Possible Retirement home for Puffer and Goby

20 gal. Sick Tank

10 gal. Empty and thinking about those aquatic frogs (anyone know
about these?)

5 gal. Ghost Shrimp Keeper (yes they are food)

Anyways my fish are my pets. I love them because they interact with
me so well. I can feed both my Puffers by hand. I love my lionfish,
he eats about 4 times a day and when its time he will come up to the
top corner of the tank and just sit there staring at me waiting for
food. The eel is starting to come around. He comes out now when I
am placing his food in and he almost went in the net and took his
food out yesterday, instead of waiting for me to drop it. I am here
to learn more about keeping my anemone alive and what other things I
can put in that tank or if I can now that I have fish in there. I
have heard so many different things and I am just lost now. Oh and
live rock help. I have Fiji now.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25450 From: Angela Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group
What kind of info are you needing regarding live rock? Fiji live rock is
usually a very nice rock.

-------Original Message-------

From: Amy
Date: 1/20/2008 4:43:31 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group

Hi my name is Amy and I am looking to see if this is the right group
for me. I am a very beginner SW fishkeeper, but very experienced
with fresh and brackish tanks. At this point in time this is what I
have:

72 gal. SW with: 1-Snowflake Eel, 1-Red Lionfish, 1-Longtubed
Anemone, and 5-Damsels that I used for cycling tank and they stayed
alive...lol.

55 gal. Brackish with: 1-GS Puffer, 1-F8 Puffer, 2-SS Scats, and 1-
Fan Dancer Goby (her mate died recently) ****note the GS Puffer and
Fan Dancer are both 3 yrs old now and now need to be moved into fresh
watr for retirement****

55 gal. Empty: Possible Retirement home for Puffer and Goby

20 gal. Sick Tank

10 gal. Empty and thinking about those aquatic frogs (anyone know
about these?)

5 gal. Ghost Shrimp Keeper (yes they are food)

Anyways my fish are my pets. I love them because they interact with
me so well. I can feed both my Puffers by hand. I love my lionfish,
he eats about 4 times a day and when its time he will come up to the
top corner of the tank and just sit there staring at me waiting for
food. The eel is starting to come around. He comes out now when I
am placing his food in and he almost went in the net and took his
food out yesterday, instead of waiting for me to drop it. I am here
to learn more about keeping my anemone alive and what other things I
can put in that tank or if I can now that I have fish in there. I
have heard so many different things and I am just lost now. Oh and
live rock help. I have Fiji now.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25451 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group
Is it used mostly just for decoration or is there one better than the
other and which is best with my anemone. Right now he has planted
himself inside one of them but during the day he moves away from it.



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Angela" <asolomon1@...> wrote:
>
> What kind of info are you needing regarding live rock? Fiji live
rock is
> usually a very nice rock.
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Amy
> Date: 1/20/2008 4:43:31 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] New to group
>
> Hi my name is Amy and I am looking to see if this is the right
group
> for me. I am a very beginner SW fishkeeper, but very experienced
> with fresh and brackish tanks. At this point in time this is what I
> have:
>
> 72 gal. SW with: 1-Snowflake Eel, 1-Red Lionfish, 1-Longtubed
> Anemone, and 5-Damsels that I used for cycling tank and they stayed
> alive...lol.
>
> 55 gal. Brackish with: 1-GS Puffer, 1-F8 Puffer, 2-SS Scats, and 1-
> Fan Dancer Goby (her mate died recently) ****note the GS Puffer and
> Fan Dancer are both 3 yrs old now and now need to be moved into
fresh
> watr for retirement****
>
> 55 gal. Empty: Possible Retirement home for Puffer and Goby
>
> 20 gal. Sick Tank
>
> 10 gal. Empty and thinking about those aquatic frogs (anyone know
> about these?)
>
> 5 gal. Ghost Shrimp Keeper (yes they are food)
>
> Anyways my fish are my pets. I love them because they interact with
> me so well. I can feed both my Puffers by hand. I love my lionfish,
> he eats about 4 times a day and when its time he will come up to
the
> top corner of the tank and just sit there staring at me waiting for
> food. The eel is starting to come around. He comes out now when I
> am placing his food in and he almost went in the net and took his
> food out yesterday, instead of waiting for me to drop it. I am here
> to learn more about keeping my anemone alive and what other things
I
> can put in that tank or if I can now that I have fish in there. I
> have heard so many different things and I am just lost now. Oh and
> live rock help. I have Fiji now.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25452 From: Amy Date: 1/20/2008
Subject: Re: New to group
Oh oops left out the turbo snail in the SW tank...oops I am always
forgetting about him.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25453 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Pea Gravel
I recently acquired a new 29 gallon tank. Just wondering if pea gravel can be used in it (of course rinsing it like mad). 50 pounds of pea gravel at $2.35 compared to 25 pounds of aquarium gravel at $10.00. I bought the pea gravel but can always use it in my yard if it is not suggested for aquarium use (limestone issue?).

Paula
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25454 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
I use pea gravel in my tanks. I buy it for $1 for a 7 gallon bucket full at the local redi-mix plant. I have had no problems with it for the last two years.Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.


To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: browngip@...: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:45:52 -0500Subject: [AquaticLife] Pea Gravel




I recently acquired a new 29 gallon tank. Just wondering if pea gravel can be used in it (of course rinsing it like mad). 50 pounds of pea gravel at $2.35 compared to 25 pounds of aquarium gravel at $10.00. I bought the pea gravel but can always use it in my yard if it is not suggested for aquarium use (limestone issue?).Paula







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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25455 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: hi
I have a snowflake eel. He is just a baby right now and I am working
with training him to eat in the same place. He goes crazy at feeding
and has ran into the anemones a couple times so we are trying to solve
that by teaching him to eat in teh same place on the other side of teh
tank. He will reach an upwards of 24 inches when full grown. He is in
a 72 gallon SW tank. Eels "can" be a very nasty pet. So far what I
have learned, (and mind you mine is still a baby), they try to escape
through the smallest openings like the filtration, they destroy the
tank setup like rocks and anemones, they need at least 3" sand to be
able to bury themselves in. So if you do consider an eel I would get a
juvenile, make sure you have a sealed tank, and make sure you get an
eel that wont grow into one of the 6 foot ones. As far as an eel for a
pet.....I LOVE MINE. He is very active and leaves the other fish
alone, quick learner. I would definetly consider getting a second one.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rcdtrc" <rcdtrc@...> wrote:
>
> i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
> i know where to get them live
> theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
> they are brown orange in color
> the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i know
> if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
> they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25456 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Beginner's questions
LOL About the Pacu. What an awesome fish to have, but yes he will
require a huge tank. I wouldn't put one in anything less that 100
gallons. Eventually the Pacu will stop hoarding teh food from teh
other fish and just eat the other fish. I just love pet stores that
will sell you 2 platys and a Pacu without even questioning. If you
do decide to keep him, they are magnificent. I can not find one
where I live, nor do I have a tank big enough, but that is one on my
wish list.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Melissa" <waterlogged1214@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I'm new to this group and to fish keeping in general.
I
> don't know much yet but I have been reading and reading and reading
> trying to figure out what I'm doing here. I have 2 questions, one
> about fish food and one about live plants.
>
> We're using an old 10 gallon tank but we bought a new filter and a
> new heater. We plan on keeping a freshwater tropical tank. So far,
> we filled the tank with tap water and had the filter going for a
> couple of days, then we bought the heater and a beginners 2-pack of
> chemicals. I believe one bottle was water conditioner and one
bottle
> was ammonia, nitrite, etc.. reducer. Well we added the chemicals
and
> the heater and ran it a couple more days.
>
> After testing the water, we found that everything was high but not
> overly so, so we bought 3 fish to test out the water; 2 platies (1
> possibly male red platy, and 1 possibly female mickey mouse platy)
> and 1 red-bellied pacu. I have since learned that pacus are a very
> large fish so if he lives and outgrows the tank we'll either get a
> bigger tank or give him away. Apparantly though the water
conditions
> were passable because all the fish seem to be active and content.
At
> the recomendation of the fish guy at the store, we bought shrimp
> pellets instead of flake food. He said the pellets don't gunk up
the
> tank as much.
>
> My problem is that I'm not sure if the platies are eating the
> pellets. I'm afraid that the pacu may be eating all the food and
the
> platies aren't getting enough nutrition. Should I buy flake food
for
> them and continue to feed the pellets to the pacu? Or should I wait
> a day or so more to see if they look underfed? It has only been 2
> days since we bought the fish. Also, how often do I feed the fish?
>
> My second question is about plants. I'd prefer to use live plants
> and natural or at least natural-looking decorations. When we first
> set up the tank, we threw in 2 packets of plant bulbs. There were
no
> instructions but the packet said the bulbs were guaranteed to grow
> within 30 days. One of the plants show growth so far. The others
> don't yet but they do show signs of fungus. Is this a normal part
of
> their growth or are these bulbs bad and I should throw them out
> right away? Never having an aquarium before, I am unsure about all
> of this. Can anyone give me a website to buy plants from? The
> selection at all the stores in my area left very much to be desired
> which is why I went with the bulbs to begin with.
>
> Any other information and/or tips for a beginner would be
> appreciated. Thanks Melissa
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25457 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi
I had a blue ribbon eel for a while. Very cool to have. I was fairly
confident that I had "sealed" my tank very well. Somehow he still got out
and died. They're great to have but you really, REALLY have to be sure there
are NO opening anywhere for them to get through. The only thing I could
figure is that he must have gone through the tiny gap around the heater cord
He also jumped when I got him home and was first putting him in. It was the
funniest thing I've ever seen. He landed on my then 3yr olds head. The look
on his face was priceless. LOL!
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: Amy
Date: 1/21/2008 12:51:05 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi

I have a snowflake eel. He is just a baby right now and I am working
with training him to eat in the same place. He goes crazy at feeding
and has ran into the anemones a couple times so we are trying to solve
that by teaching him to eat in teh same place on the other side of teh
tank. He will reach an upwards of 24 inches when full grown. He is in
a 72 gallon SW tank. Eels "can" be a very nasty pet. So far what I
have learned, (and mind you mine is still a baby), they try to escape
through the smallest openings like the filtration, they destroy the
tank setup like rocks and anemones, they need at least 3" sand to be
able to bury themselves in. So if you do consider an eel I would get a
juvenile, make sure you have a sealed tank, and make sure you get an
eel that wont grow into one of the 6 foot ones. As far as an eel for a
pet.....I LOVE MINE. He is very active and leaves the other fish
alone, quick learner. I would definetly consider getting a second one.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rcdtrc" <rcdtrc@...> wrote:
>
> i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
> i know where to get them live
> theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
> they are brown orange in color
> the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i know
> if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
> they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
>





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25458 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Question regarding algae growth in new tank
I've got a relatively new tank (approximately two weeks since I first
added the live rock. It's a 20 gallon tank with about 16 gallons of
water, and 16 lbs. of live rock, and (non-live) crushed coral
substrate. I've got one clownfish in it right now.

I noticed 2-3 days ago some brown forming on the rock, and since then
the brown has grown to cover about a third of the top surface area of
the rock. It almost has the appearance of rust. In the first 2-3 days
that the live rock was in there (before I had any fish), I had some
white fuzzy stuff growing on the rock, overtaking some green algae; it
quickly stopped growing though, but has diminished any.

I was curious if there were any good web resources regarding live rock
and algae? Something that might help me to determine if what I'm seeing
is good or bad. I've also got some little pock marks of purple showing
up randomly (which I believe to be good).

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25459 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in new tank
Umm... Ok.. Did you cycle the tank before you put anything in it? It takes
about 6 weeks for the cycle to complete. Where did the live rock come from?
Whenever you add anything you will go through another mini cycle. The brown
stuff sounds like diatoms to me, which are a normal phase in the process of
cycling. I would not touch anything. Let it run it's course. If you try to
affect it you are likely to just set it back even further. What are you
wanting to do with this tank? What kind of clowfish is it? A 20gal salt
falls into the nano category so you may want to do some research on that
topic. You will not be able to keep a lot of fish in a 20gal. I suggest
checking our reecentral.com They have wonderful forums and a lot of great
information. Good Luck!
Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: rsteph49
Date: 01/21/08 13:31:20
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in new tank

I've got a relatively new tank (approximately two weeks since I first
added the live rock. It's a 20 gallon tank with about 16 gallons of
water, and 16 lbs. of live rock, and (non-live) crushed coral
substrate. I've got one clownfish in it right now.

I noticed 2-3 days ago some brown forming on the rock, and since then
the brown has grown to cover about a third of the top surface area of
the rock. It almost has the appearance of rust. In the first 2-3 days
that the live rock was in there (before I had any fish), I had some
white fuzzy stuff growing on the rock, overtaking some green algae; it
quickly stopped growing though, but has diminished any.

I was curious if there were any good web resources regarding live rock
and algae? Something that might help me to determine if what I'm seeing
is good or bad. I've also got some little pock marks of purple showing
up randomly (which I believe to be good).

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25460 From: Amy Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi
Oh I'm sorry to hear that. Yes they are tricky little guys. I
actually have taken visqueen(sp.) and taped it all around every
hole. He has been trying to find a way out through the filter. When
I first brought him home he would dart to the top of the tank as fast
as he could trying to jump out, but he soon discovered he couldn't
get out so he has stopped doing that. The next thing I am doing is
taking his food in a net to the bottom of the tank and teaching him
that food is down there, opposed to dropping it in and encouraging
him to come to the top. He figured it out pretty quickly, the other
day he almost took the food right out of the net.



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Angela" <asolomon1@...> wrote:
>
> I had a blue ribbon eel for a while. Very cool to have. I was fairly
> confident that I had "sealed" my tank very well. Somehow he still
got out
> and died. They're great to have but you really, REALLY have to be
sure there
> are NO opening anywhere for them to get through. The only thing I
could
> figure is that he must have gone through the tiny gap around the
heater cord
> He also jumped when I got him home and was first putting him in.
It was the
> funniest thing I've ever seen. He landed on my then 3yr olds head.
The look
> on his face was priceless. LOL!
> Angela
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Amy
> Date: 1/21/2008 12:51:05 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: hi
>
> I have a snowflake eel. He is just a baby right now and I am
working
> with training him to eat in the same place. He goes crazy at
feeding
> and has ran into the anemones a couple times so we are trying to
solve
> that by teaching him to eat in teh same place on the other side of
teh
> tank. He will reach an upwards of 24 inches when full grown. He is
in
> a 72 gallon SW tank. Eels "can" be a very nasty pet. So far what I
> have learned, (and mind you mine is still a baby), they try to
escape
> through the smallest openings like the filtration, they destroy the
> tank setup like rocks and anemones, they need at least 3" sand to
be
> able to bury themselves in. So if you do consider an eel I would
get a
> juvenile, make sure you have a sealed tank, and make sure you get
an
> eel that wont grow into one of the 6 foot ones. As far as an eel
for a
> pet.....I LOVE MINE. He is very active and leaves the other fish
> alone, quick learner. I would definetly consider getting a second
one.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rcdtrc" <rcdtrc@> wrote:
> >
> > i would like to know if its possible to keep an eel as a pet
> > i know where to get them live
> > theyre almost 2 ft long and like an inch in diameter
> > they are brown orange in color
> > the problem is the people there dont speek english and how can i
know
> > if its saltwater or fresh water and if it need cold or warm water
> > they are sold there as food but you can get them live if you want
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25461 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Yes it works fine and gives a tank a more "natural" appearance especially if
you go with some driftwood and/or live plants. But don't go for the deep
layer of gravel like many used in the "old" days unless you are going to
have live plants but even then, the sub-substrate would be the thicker part
with the gravel only being 1/2" thick or so. It's a lot easier to keep your
gravel clean if it's 1/2" to 1" deep rather than the "old" 2" to 3" deep.
If you want to add live plants, you could always use small planter pots so
you still do not need the thick gravel which holds far too much detritus
IMO.

Why do you mention limestone? Limestone is a completely different rock
material than pea gravel.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:46 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Pea Gravel

I recently acquired a new 29 gallon tank. Just wondering if pea gravel can
be used in it (of course rinsing it like mad). 50 pounds of pea gravel at
$2.35 compared to 25 pounds of aquarium gravel at $10.00. I bought the pea
gravel but can always use it in my yard if it is not suggested for aquarium
use (limestone issue?).

Paula


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25462 From: rsteph49 Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in new tank
The tank is new. I had the water in there for 2-3 days before adding
the live rock. I had the live rock in there for about a week and a half
before adding the one fish. I added the one fish because I was told by
a couple people that having 1 hardy fish in the tank will help with the
cycling; I'm not sure of the exact accuracy of that, I've heard people
on both sides (1 fish, or no fish).

The live rock was purchased at a fish store in town here. It had a
little green algae stuff on it in a few places, but not a lot. The
substrate is not live sand, just crushed coral Argonite stuff.

I'm planning now to leave the tank with the 1 fish for a month or so,
to let it get through it's initial cycle. Ultimately I hope to have 2-3
fish, and some cleaning invertabrates in it. I've never had a saltwater
tank before, just freshwater; so this tank is my first foray into
saltwater tanks, to see if I can keep one up and running healthy -
before I try to get a larger tank with more diverse and complicated
fish, coral, etc.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25463 From: Curtis Taylor Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Here is eastern North Carolina I have seen landscapers sell "pea gravel"
which is basically crushed limestone. I have also seen it in home
improvement stores packaged in bags and called "pea gravel" and it is also
crushed limestone. The sizes are basically pea-sized or smaller. I have seen
this type rock used as fill between laid down stones to make walks or
"patios". The stones are laid down on top of the pea gravel for leveling and
the gravel is used as fill between the joints of the laid down stones. This
is used where the stones are not laid in concrete or any other type of
mastic layer. Another name for pea gravel is basically very small river
rock, smooth rounded stones the size of peas.
Curt
On Jan 21, 2008 3:23 PM, Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...> wrote:

> Yes it works fine and gives a tank a more "natural" appearance especially
> if
> you go with some driftwood and/or live plants. But don't go for the deep
> layer of gravel like many used in the "old" days unless you are going to
> have live plants but even then, the sub-substrate would be the thicker
> part
> with the gravel only being 1/2" thick or so. It's a lot easier to keep
> your
> gravel clean if it's 1/2" to 1" deep rather than the "old" 2" to 3" deep.
> If you want to add live plants, you could always use small planter pots so
> you still do not need the thick gravel which holds far too much detritus
> IMO.
>
> Why do you mention limestone? Limestone is a completely different rock
> material than pea gravel.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Paula Brown
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Pea Gravel
>
> I recently acquired a new 29 gallon tank. Just wondering if pea gravel can
> be used in it (of course rinsing it like mad). 50 pounds of pea gravel at
> $2.35 compared to 25 pounds of aquarium gravel at $10.00. I bought the pea
> gravel but can always use it in my yard if it is not suggested for
> aquarium
> use (limestone issue?).
>
> Paula
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25464 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
I have used pea gravel 4 of my aquariums, I uaed the small 1/4 inch
natural type sold at Wal Mart. Tis is true, you must wash this several
times. I have had no problems with this at all. It does look very nice
with rocks and live plants. It is much cheaper than tank gravel, I
paid 2.77 for a 50 lb bag.
I was concerned about this in the beginning too. I called and spoke
with the local fish experts in Greensborom at Aquamain's and they
assured tha this was fine to use.

Pastor Ken Sharpe
Flowing River Fellowship
Level Cross, NC



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Brown" <browngip@...> wrote:
>
> I recently acquired a new 29 gallon tank. Just wondering if pea
gravel can be used in it (of course rinsing it like mad). 50 pounds
of pea gravel at $2.35 compared to 25 pounds of aquarium gravel at
$10.00. I bought the pea gravel but can always use it in my yard if
it is not suggested for aquarium use (limestone issue?).
>
> Paula
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25465 From: Angela Date: 1/21/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth
Ok... I personally don't cycle with fish cuase I don't agree with it. You
can also get a saltwater tank to cycle by dropping a couple shrimp from the
grocery store in it. Anyways.. Honestly you'd be better off to start bigger
if you want to do that eventually. A smaller tank is much harder to keep
stable than a larger one. Nano sized tanks are usually only successful for
people who's had a lot of experience. Basically the smaller the water volume
the less it takes to become unstable. Do you have a good master test kit?
You'll need to be testing every 1-2 days to watch your cycle. Do not clean
the tank or remove an algae during this process. Good luck!

-------Original Message-------

From: rsteph49
Date: 1/21/2008 3:38:28 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Question regarding algae growth in
new tank

The tank is new. I had the water in there for 2-3 days before adding
the live rock. I had the live rock in there for about a week and a half
before adding the one fish. I added the one fish because I was told by
a couple people that having 1 hardy fish in the tank will help with the
cycling; I'm not sure of the exact accuracy of that, I've heard people
on both sides (1 fish, or no fish).

The live rock was purchased at a fish store in town here. It had a
little green algae stuff on it in a few places, but not a lot. The
substrate is not live sand, just crushed coral Argonite stuff.

I'm planning now to leave the tank with the 1 fish for a month or so,
to let it get through it's initial cycle. Ultimately I hope to have 2-3
fish, and some cleaning invertabrates in it. I've never had a saltwater
tank before, just freshwater; so this tank is my first foray into
saltwater tanks, to see if I can keep one up and running healthy -
before I try to get a larger tank with more diverse and complicated
fish, coral, etc.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25466 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Pea Gravel
Lenny asked: "Why do you mention limestone? Limestone is a completely different rock
material than pea gravel."

I asked my boyfriend about pea gravel and he mentioned limestone. He didn't know for sure but thought the local landscaping business told him about the limestone when he bought some pea gravel for around his outdoor pond. Sounds like Curt has experienced this also.

I bought the bag at Lowe's - I will have to look at the back and see if it mentions limestone. Right now it is still too frozen to move (lovely Michigan weather!). If there is limestone in it, would that be a problem?

Paula
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25467 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Pea Gravel
Apparently some pea gravel is being sold that is merely broken up limestone.
I always considered pea gravel to be small river rock, around the size of a
pea, which are very hard and do not leach. I guess someone decided that
breaking up limestone to the same size could be sold as pea gravel also.

According to my WordWeb Desktop Dictionary...

Gravel - Rock fragments and pebbles

Limestone - A sedimentary rock consisting mainly of calcium that was
deposited by the remains of marine animals

I guess, according to those definitions, gravel could be broken up limestone
"rock fragments" but I always considered gravel to be river rocks or Pebbles
(maybe from a larger rock subjected to "Bam Bam"... lol... it's early so
corny Flintstone's puns are allowed). Down here, all of my customers refer
to limestone as limestone and gravel as gravel (small rocks) with pea gravel
being one of the smaller sizes of rocks.

As you can see from the definition, limestone is mainly calcium based and
will leach calcium into the water making it much harder so it will affect
the water chemistry so it may not be a good substrate for certain fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:05 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Pea Gravel

Lenny asked: "Why do you mention limestone? Limestone is a completely
different rock material than pea gravel."

I asked my boyfriend about pea gravel and he mentioned limestone. He didn't
know for sure but thought the local landscaping business told him about the
limestone when he bought some pea gravel for around his outdoor pond. Sounds
like Curt has experienced this also.

I bought the bag at Lowe's - I will have to look at the back and see if it
mentions limestone. Right now it is still too frozen to move (lovely
Michigan weather!). If there is limestone in it, would that be a problem?

Paula


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25468 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Neons/Endlers
I will be setting up another tank shortly (29 gallon) and am thinking that a live planted tank with neons/cardinals (what is the difference between a neon and a cardinal?) and endlers might be pretty. Does anybody see anything wrong with that scenario?

Any other suggestions as to what might look nice in there? I wanted angels but I know the tank is too small for them and I really haven't had a lot of luck with them in the past. I already have a community tank (55 gallon) that has the mix of tetras/danios/etc. so I wanted to make this tank just one or two different breeds. No chiclids for me!

Also, would neons/cardinals or endlers bother a male betta if I put one in there? I just wondered because they are all colorful fish and didn't know if the male betta might take that as a sign to nip.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25469 From: bmp Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Neons/Endlers
This grouping sounds lovely to me. Some will say that
neons and cardinals need soft, somewhat acidic water
and endler's (being livebearers) need harder water but
I have found that neons do just fine in my naturally
hard, alkaline water because the tanks where they are
kept at the shop have the same water source (local tap
water).

The difference between cardinals and neons is that the
neons' red stripe is about half as long as their
bodies; the cardinals' stripe is full-length. The
cardinals also grow a bit larger but also have a
reputation of being rather more delicate. They are
also more expensive. I have not tried cardinals partly
because of this feeling that they are more delicate
but also because I am such a fan of neons that they
suit me just fine!

As for the male betta you are considering, I don't
believe the neons or Endler's would bother it but you
might have a problem the other way around, depending
on how tiny your neons & Endler's are.

Finally, I would suggest you have some sort of bottom
feeder. I am also a fan of corydoras catfish--they are
peaceful, cute and a great size. Members of the same
species will school so you might take care that you
are buying only the same kind, if you like watching
them school.

If all goes well with your plants and fish, you will
have a beautiful tank! I'd love to see it sometime,
ha.


Beverly

--- Paula Brown <browngip@...> wrote:

> I will be setting up another tank shortly (29
> gallon) and am thinking that a live planted tank
> with neons/cardinals (what is the difference between
> a neon and a cardinal?) and endlers might be pretty.
> Does anybody see anything wrong with that scenario?
>
> Any other suggestions as to what might look nice in
> there? I wanted angels but I know the tank is too
> small for them and I really haven't had a lot of
> luck with them in the past. I already have a
> community tank (55 gallon) that has the mix of
> tetras/danios/etc. so I wanted to make this tank
> just one or two different breeds. No chiclids for
> me!
>
> Also, would neons/cardinals or endlers bother a male
> betta if I put one in there? I just wondered
> because they are all colorful fish and didn't know
> if the male betta might take that as a sign to nip.
>
> Paula in Monroe, Michigan
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25470 From: Vanessa Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Hey thats my turtle!
Just stopped in to see how everyone was doing and I got a nice
surprise. Thats MY turtle on the home page. Thanks for putting Flashs
picture up!!!

Vanessa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25471 From: harry perry Date: 1/22/2008
Subject: Re: Hey thats my turtle!/Vanessa
Great name for a turtle.

Harry

Vanessa <nessa1880@...> wrote: Just stopped in to see how everyone was doing and I got a nice
surprise. Thats MY turtle on the home page. Thanks for putting Flashs
picture up!!!

Vanessa






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25472 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: fish stores....
This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the kid an earfull.)

Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me know.

Helen.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25473 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
I have, but it was a PET Store. I walked in and the first thing I
noticed was the cats didnt have drinking water and were CLEARLY
dehydrated.I made the employee get the cats some water. Then I
noticed the rodents cages were dirty and disgusting, thick with fecal
matter. I went back to the fish area and found Betas and tiny bags in
a tbsp of water. I couldn't take anymore. I was so upset it made me
cry. I called my son in law who works for animal services and he told
me what to do. When we went by again the Pet store was closed. I
don't know if it was because of my call or several but I hope those
animals are safe now. Call Animal services in your area, they may be
able to tell you something.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm
loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25474 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Turtle Tank
I am just curious on what everyone thinks ( or KNOWS) is the best size
aquarium for a small turtle about a year old.( He is a Slider). I have
him in a 20 gallon he seems happy.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25475 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle Tank
It all depends on the size of the turtle itself.
Normally for a small turtle (under 4") a 20 gallon is
fine. For 4" and larger I suggest going larger. This
is a species that will easily get 8"-10" and will
require at least a 60 gallon breeder tank. My friend
has one living in a 75 gallon. I have another friend
who has a slider living hapily in a 200 gallon indoor
pond., amazingly the turtle never leaves the pond to
roam the room, he will just get on the rocks around it
and bask occasionally.


--- Bethany <swtsssysxy@...> wrote:

> I am just curious on what everyone thinks ( or
> KNOWS) is the best size
> aquarium for a small turtle about a year old.( He is
> a Slider). I have
> him in a 20 gallon he seems happy.
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25476 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Turtle Tank
He is definitely under 4 inches. Thanks !!


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Melissa Walker <playnwifsnot@...>
wrote:
>
> It all depends on the size of the turtle itself.
> Normally for a small turtle (under 4") a 20 gallon is
> fine. For 4" and larger I suggest going larger. This
> is a species that will easily get 8"-10" and will
> require at least a 60 gallon breeder tank. My friend
> has one living in a 75 gallon. I have another friend
> who has a slider living hapily in a 200 gallon indoor
> pond., amazingly the turtle never leaves the pond to
> roam the room, he will just get on the rocks around it
> and bask occasionally.
>
>
> --- Bethany <swtsssysxy@...> wrote:
>
> > I am just curious on what everyone thinks ( or
> > KNOWS) is the best size
> > aquarium for a small turtle about a year old.( He is
> > a Slider). I have
> > him in a 20 gallon he seems happy.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25477 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Sure, you could contact your closest A.S.P.C.A. (American Society for
the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm
loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25478 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
Man, I am just full of questions!!<G>

I will be setting up my new 29 gallon tank this weekend. I have come up with a few questions:

1. The gravel is new (the pea gravel previously discussed) but I will be using 80% of the water from an established tank (set up for around 10 years with regular PWC's).

2. I will be adding many live plants to it right away.

3. I will be adding a new hang on the back filter to it and I don't think my established filters from my other tanks will work with this one so it will be a new filter.

4. I had planned on putting some established gravel from another tank into the new tank in a pantyhose (suggestions?) or something to help things out.

5. I have a master test kit that I will be testing the water with of course.

My question is, with the above scenario, how long could this last without adding any fish? Could I get a week or two of being fishless with just the established water and live plants? And if so, is there a good chance that I could then add some fish after a week or two and they would be okay?

Last question: Are there any handy tricks/tips/hints for washing this pea gravel? OMG - I have four pots of the stuff that I keep putting through the strainer, letting it soak in hot water, pouring out brown water, repeating over and over again.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25479 From: tonya shriver Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
I totally agree with you. Why open a pet store if you cant maintain a clean facility. I have a fish store I go to and love it. I use to buy all my stuff from Petsmart for my fish aquarium. Well needless to say not anymore.I got tired of buying fish that was swimimng with dead ones or come home and would have ick from the fish that i bought from them.Then they would denie it after looking in their tanks and being descusted.



----- Original Message ----
From: Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:26:39 AM
Subject: [AquaticLife] fish stores....

This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the kid an earfull.)

Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd understand.. . although if there is an organization or whatever I can call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me know.

Helen.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25480 From: bruce cohen Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: fish stores Run Run Run away
after going to my local fish store and being told that the sea water
that they sell is natural sea water and they buy it from catalina
water. But when I checked with that vendor they told me they dont
sell it to the store that said it was. I have been having a lot of
problems caused of the fact that it was not including the calcium is
low and the alkalinty low not able to get the kits to check the
peramiters the store has earned the name total rip off as far as I
care. the local fish club has even told me how bad they are. esp
since they are selling 90%of their store is devoted to salt water fish
they happen to be the only one in my area i have to go to the next
city appx 4-6 miles away. just for NATURAL SEA WATER. But they do not
sell reef safe animals . Just the dry goods for the reefs to get my
animals I have to buy mine online, in case any one wonders how I found
the vendor thanks to the information age they even told me that where
they sell it to so that I can get it from them.
Bruce
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25481 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
1. Water from an established tank has very little, if any, nitrifying
bacteria in it. The main benefit you would get from using established water
would be when transferring fish into a new tank so their water parameters
stay the same so they don't have to deal with osmoregulatory shock or
stress.

2. Live plants are good in almost all cases.

3. Once you add fish to the tank, or right before, you could take the
filter media or cartridge from the existing tank and either put the entire
cartridge in the reservoir of the new filter system or squeeze some of the
"juice" out of the old filter into the reservoir of the new filter and that
will at least get some of the nitrifying bacteria into the new filter media
so it can start multiplying.

4. Helps also but only right before or after you add fish.

5. Good!

The nitrifying bacteria will start dying after a few hours with no source of
ammonia as food so they would not last a week or two. Wait until you are
about to add the fish or right after adding the fish to "seed" your filter
and gravel.

I would fill the strainer with one batch and run it under the faucet or
garden hose until it's running clear. Then do a second batch, etc.

After you add it to the tank, since you mention you won't be adding fish
right away, any sediment that you missed will settle back down into the
gravel and should not be an issue.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:09 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again

Man, I am just full of questions!!<G>

I will be setting up my new 29 gallon tank this weekend. I have come up with
a few questions:

1. The gravel is new (the pea gravel previously discussed) but I will be
using 80% of the water from an established tank (set up for around 10 years
with regular PWC's).

2. I will be adding many live plants to it right away.

3. I will be adding a new hang on the back filter to it and I don't think my
established filters from my other tanks will work with this one so it will
be a new filter.

4. I had planned on putting some established gravel from another tank into
the new tank in a pantyhose (suggestions?) or something to help things out.

5. I have a master test kit that I will be testing the water with of course.

My question is, with the above scenario, how long could this last without
adding any fish? Could I get a week or two of being fishless with just the
established water and live plants? And if so, is there a good chance that I
could then add some fish after a week or two and they would be okay?

Last question: Are there any handy tricks/tips/hints for washing this pea
gravel? OMG - I have four pots of the stuff that I keep putting through the
strainer, letting it soak in hot water, pouring out brown water, repeating
over and over again.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25482 From: Bethany Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
I recently aquired 3 beautiful goldfish. Is it safe to put them in the
same tank as my 2 inch slider or should I give them their own tank.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25483 From: Paula Brown Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Substrate Question
Another question!<G> In all of my other live planted tanks, I just have gravel on the bottom. My plants seem to thrive in it. But now that I am setting up a new tank, I am wondering if I should add a substrate. If it sounds like I know what I am talking about, you would be wrong!<G> I have no idea what substrate even means, let alone what its positives would be or what type to choose. Is this something that goes under the gravel that won't be swept up with cleaning the gravel? I assume it is a benefit for the growing plants? Is this something you get from a LFS or a pet chain store? Thanks!

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25484 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate Question
A good substrate is absolutely essential to great plant growth. My personal favorite is ADA aquasoil but you will most likely have to order it online. Eco-complete is more readily available and a good choice as well. Do you think you're going to do CO2?
Kate

Paula Brown <browngip@...> wrote: Another question!<G> In all of my other live planted tanks, I just have gravel on the bottom. My plants seem to thrive in it. But now that I am setting up a new tank, I am wondering if I should add a substrate. If it sounds like I know what I am talking about, you would be wrong!<G> I have no idea what substrate even means, let alone what its positives would be or what type to choose. Is this something that goes under the gravel that won't be swept up with cleaning the gravel? I assume it is a benefit for the growing plants? Is this something you get from a LFS or a pet chain store? Thanks!

Paula in Monroe, Michigan






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25485 From: rcdtrc Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bethany" <swtsssysxy@...> wrote:
>
> I recently aquired 3 beautiful goldfish. Is it safe to put them in
the
> same tank as my 2 inch slider or should I give them their own tank.
>

eventually it will kill them when it gets bigger
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25486 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Substrate Question
Well, gravel is also a substrate. The substrate is basically any kind of
earthen matter or it could be marbles, etc., on the bottom of your tank.
Here's a page that will walk you through some of the basic substrates for
planted tanks.

http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_substrate.htm

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:30 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Substrate Question

Another question!<G> In all of my other live planted tanks, I just have
gravel on the bottom. My plants seem to thrive in it. But now that I am
setting up a new tank, I am wondering if I should add a substrate. If it
sounds like I know what I am talking about, you would be wrong!<G> I have no
idea what substrate even means, let alone what its positives would be or
what type to choose. Is this something that goes under the gravel that won't
be swept up with cleaning the gravel? I assume it is a benefit for the
growing plants? Is this something you get from a LFS or a pet chain store?
Thanks!

Paula in Monroe, Michigan






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25487 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Goldfish and Turtles compatible??
NO! The turtle will eat the goldfish while they are sleeping. While fish
and turtles co-exist in nature, they are usually in much larger waters and
the turtle still eats some of the fish. This usually isn't acceptable for
pets.

I think someone else already mentioned (and I think I did also) that you
will NEED a much larger tank for your turtle and the goldfish need a much
larger tank also. If they are fancy goldfish, you can get by with 30G per
fish. If they are long bodied goldfish, then you need 50-75G per fish since
they are much bigger swimmers.

If you are going to try and keep them all together, then you would need a
several hundred gallon tank or pond and even then, the turtle may end up
eating the goldfish... especially the round-bodied variety which are much
slower swimmers and may not be able to get away from the turtle as easily
but even the long bodied ones may get caught by him.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Bethany
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:27 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Goldfish and Turtles compatible??

I recently aquired 3 beautiful goldfish. Is it safe to put them in the same
tank as my 2 inch slider or should I give them their own tank.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25488 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: How to get nitrate level down
Hi guys, my husband and I are new to saltwater tanks. We have a 8 week
old, 14 gal, Biocube. Up until now, all readings have been great. In
the last few days, Nitrate level is high (20). My question is, is there
any other method, besides water change, that we should be using to get
the level down? My husband has done some online research, but
everything seems to point to water changes...which is fine, but we
wonder if we need to do something more. Many thanks, Donna
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25489 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
If you are like most of us, to find a really good fish store, you will
probably need to drive some distance. It really is too bad, but that
seems to be a fact of life. There is a good one about 45 minutes from
me, without traffic. Unfortunately, there usually is traffic, so the
drive is likely to take an hour or more. There is another one about 1
1/2 hours from me, and there is one 2 1/2 hours from me, again, without
traffic. The last, it is easier to make some time, once I get out of the
metropolitan area here.

Then, there is also the problem that good stores can go into a decline,
and become not so good stores. One example is a store I used to frequent
through the 70's into the 80's. The owner then retired and sold the
store. The high standards were maintained for a while, but slowly, the
store declined. I don't know if the store is still there or not, I moved
out of the area more than 10 years ago, and have not had the need to go
through that area when I have been visiting parents and friends.

There is another store in the same area as the last. It could either be
very good, or very bad, or somewhere in between. The store was owned by
a fellow who also owned a wholesale fish business nearby. I suspect the
quality has to do with the amount of time he spent with his wholesale
business.

I guess the moral of the story is that you just need to look, and keep
looking, even if you have found someone you are satisfied with, since
tomorrow, they may disappoint you. It also has become more problematic
with the entry and expansion of the big box stores into the market. They
come in with low prices and drive the mom and pops out of business, and
then their prices go up, and I am now seeing a reduction is stock
selection at those stores as well.

\\Steve//

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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:27 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] fish stores....

This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked out
of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions that you
wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the fish that
were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY (reasonable)
recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went into this place
yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I left, just
walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead fish I guess is
part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local outlets;
I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of getting stupid
advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I like to go. The
last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my husband how
perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear
it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or I probably would
have given the kid an earfull.)

Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me know.

Helen.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25490 From: bmp Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores,
I thought you were talking about WalMart. I hear their
fish live in pitifully kept tanks. But I also read
that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish
sometime soon, if not already. Can anyone else verify
this? I quit shopping at WalMart a few years ago for
various reasons so I haven't been in one to know for
myself. I am aware there have been online petitions
protesting WalMart's horrible conditions for their
fish but don't know if this is truly a current problem
or not.

Beverly

--- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:

> This isn't really related to anything, but... has
> anyone ever walked out of an aquarium store and felt
> so grossed out by the conditions that you wanted a
> shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the
> fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
> is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a
> crusader or anything, but I went into this place
> yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower
> when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky.
> The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the
> trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local
> outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was
> tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
> other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw
> was when the kid behind the counter told my husband
> how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim
> upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
> told me about it after we left, or I probably would
> have given the kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed
> somebody who'd understand... although if there is an
> organization or whatever I can call to report a
> hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
> know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25491 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again
Paula,

1. The source of the water does not really matter, unless, as lenny has
pointed out, you are moving fish into the new tank that have lived with
the old water you will be using.

2. I do not see any problem with that.

3. Not a problem, but it will increase the amount of time it will take
the tank to cycle. Lenny's suggestion may help add more bacteria to the
new filter, but it just is not the same as actually using filter
material from the older filter.

4. This will help some, but if the material is not currently used as a
filter, with water flowing through it, it would only be a guess as to
how much it will help.

5. Way to go girl.

Question 1/2. Without a source of ammonia, the bacteria you are adding
to the tank will start to hibernate and die off. To keep the activity
going, you will need a source of ammonia. Read up on doing a fishless
cycle with ammonia from a bottle.

Question 3. Add the fish relatively quickly, and you will have some sort
of mini-cycle. The length and depth will depend on the ammonia they
produce and the number of active bacteria available to handle it.
Without an ammonia source, by two weeks, you will have a regular cycle
starting up, virtually from scratch. It would depend on the fish, and
how well they can handle nitrogenous waste, whether they will weather
the storm, so to speak.

Question 4. The way I normally wash any sort of gravel is to place an
amount in a Rubbermaid type pail, and run water into it while swirling
the gravel around to loosen anything attached to the gravel and to allow
loose dust and such to be picked up by the water and go down the drain
or into the garden, depending on the weather and time of day. (warm
weather and daylight, outdoors, otherwise, indoors) Run and swirl until
the water runs clear.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:09 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Cycling Question/Pea Gravel Again

Man, I am just full of questions!!<G>

I will be setting up my new 29 gallon tank this weekend. I have come up
with a few questions:

1. The gravel is new (the pea gravel previously discussed) but I will
be using 80% of the water from an established tank (set up for around 10
years with regular PWC's).

2. I will be adding many live plants to it right away.

3. I will be adding a new hang on the back filter to it and I don't
think my established filters from my other tanks will work with this one
so it will be a new filter.

4. I had planned on putting some established gravel from another tank
into the new tank in a pantyhose (suggestions?) or something to help
things out.

5. I have a master test kit that I will be testing the water with of
course.

My question is, with the above scenario, how long could this last
without adding any fish? Could I get a week or two of being fishless
with just the established water and live plants? And if so, is there a
good chance that I could then add some fish after a week or two and they
would be okay?

Last question: Are there any handy tricks/tips/hints for washing this
pea gravel? OMG - I have four pots of the stuff that I keep putting
through the strainer, letting it soak in hot water, pouring out brown
water, repeating over and over again.

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25492 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I cannot confirm that they will be stopping altogether, but I have seen some stores stop selling fish and heard of many others stopping last year.

-Mike


Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores,
I thought you were talking about WalMart. I hear their
fish live in pitifully kept tanks. But I also read
that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish
sometime soon, if not already. Can anyone else verify
this? I quit shopping at WalMart a few years ago for
various reasons so I haven't been in one to know for
myself. I am aware there have been online petitions
protesting WalMart's horrible conditions for their
fish but don't know if this is truly a current problem
or not.

Beverly



-----Original Message-----
From: bmp <bmpardue@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 7:20 pm
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??






Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores,
I thought you were talking about WalMart. I hear their
fish live in pitifully kept tanks. But I also read
that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish
sometime soon, if not already. Can anyone else verify
this? I quit shopping at WalMart a few years ago for
various reasons so I haven't been in one to know for
myself. I am aware there have been online petitions
protesting WalMart's horrible conditions for their
fish but don't know if this is truly a current problem
or not.

Beverly

--- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:

> This isn't really related to anything, but... has
> anyone ever walked out of an aquarium store and felt
> so grossed out by the conditions that you wanted a
> shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the
> fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
> is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a
> crusader or anything, but I went into this place
> yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower
> when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky.
> The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the
> trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local
> outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was
> tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
> other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw
> was when the kid behind the counter told my husband
> how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim
> upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
> told me about it after we left, or I probably would
> have given the kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed
> somebody who'd understand... although if there is an
> organization or whatever I can call to report a
> hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
> know.
>
> Helen.
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25493 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
We need to clarify something here.

The Humane Society of the United States does not have any affiliation whatsoever with any other humane society in the United States. Your local Humane Sopciety has no Affiliation with the HSUS (See above), They are seperate entities.

If you donate to your local Humane Society your are doing good things in your local community, helping pets in your area.

If you donate money to the HSUS you are giving money to a group that does not have one single shelter in the United States. Your money goes to a group that tries to pass insidious laws that are already taking your right to animal ownership away from you. 

"Buried deep within HSUS’s website is a disclaimer noting that the group “is not affiliated with, nor is it a parent organization for, local humane societies, animal shelters, or animal care and control agencies. These are independent organizations … HSUS does not operate or have direct control over any animal shelter.”

This link has a lot of information about the HSUS.

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

-Mike




 or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray



-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 7:06 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....






Sure, you could contact your closest A.S.P.C.A. (American Society for
the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm
loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25494 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
The link given below is incomplete. The full link is:

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

We need to clarify something here.

The Humane Society of the United States does not have any affiliation whatsoever with any other humane society in the United States. Your local Humane Sopciety has no Affiliation with the HSUS (See above), They are seperate entities.

If you donate to your local Humane Society your are doing good things in your local community, helping pets in your area.

If you donate money to the HSUS you are giving money to a group that does not have one single shelter in the United States. Your money goes to a group that tries to pass insidious laws that are already taking your right to animal ownership away from you. 


"Buried deep within HSUS’s website is a disclaimer noting that the group “is not affiliated with, nor is it a parent organization for, local humane societies, animal shelters, or animal care and control agencies. These are independent organizations … HSUS does not operate or have direct control over any animal shelter.”

This link has a lot of information about the HSUS.

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

-Mike




 or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray



-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 7:06 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....






Sure, you could contact your closest A.S.P.C.A. (American Society for
the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm
loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25495 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Thak you Steve!

-Mike


The link given below is incomplete. The full link is:

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136

\\Steve//




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 8:18 pm
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....






The link given below is incomplete. The full link is:

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

We need to clarify something here.

The Humane Society of the United States does not have any affiliation whatsoever with any other humane society in the United States. Your local Humane Sopciety has no Affiliation with the HSUS (See above), They are seperate entities.

If you donate to your local Humane Society your are doing good things in your local community, helping pets in your area.

If you donate money to the HSUS you are giving money to a group that does not have one single shelter in the United States. Your money goes to a group that tries to pass insidious laws that are already taking your right to animal ownership away from you. 


"Buried deep within HSUS’s website is a disclaimer noting that the group “is not affiliated with, nor is it a parent organization for, local humane societies, animal shelters, or animal care and control agencies. These are independent organizations … HSUS does not operate or have direct control over any animal shelter.”

This link has a lot of information about the HSUS.

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm

-Mike




 or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray



-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 7:06 am
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....






Sure, you could contact your closest A.S.P.C.A. (American Society for
the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), or your state's Humane Society
of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on major
abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
establishments are involved. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
<thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm
loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25496 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are systemically bad.

I am sure there are isolated cases where the manager of the store is lax in
his/her supervision and management so that one or more departments suffer in
quality and customer service. This lack of proper management and/or
lackadaisical management is endemic and systemic in any and all
businesses... both large and small.

Too many managers are like parents nowadays and want to be liked by all of
their employees (like a parent wants to be friends with their kids)
therefore, proper leadership and discipline is severely lacking. When an
employee sees that the manager doesn't care, the trickle down effect is
horrendous to the rest of the business' operations.

Wal-Mart, simply because they are Wal-Mart, are criticized, scrutinized and
reported on far more heavily than a comparable mom & pop operation. The
fact is that any business in any industry can have both good and bad
operations from one outlet to the next, and even from one shift to the next,
depending on who is in charge at the time, whether it is a locally owned mom
& pop business or a chain outlet of a major retail corporation like
Wal-Mart.

The online petitions are generally driven by over zealous PETA-types who
want to bastardize an entire corporation over a department that might make
up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably responsible for killing
more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's combined. While PETA is
spending their multi-million dollar budget jet-setting around with the
Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the over-whelming majority
of the animals they purportedly saved from bad conditions. If I was an
animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a chance at living in poor
conditions than be faced with near-certain death at the hands of PETA. Just
Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you will find tons of
information about them.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bmp
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:21 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??

Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores, I thought you were
talking about WalMart. I hear their fish live in pitifully kept tanks. But I
also read that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish sometime soon,
if not already. Can anyone else verify this? I quit shopping at WalMart a
few years ago for various reasons so I haven't been in one to know for
myself. I am aware there have been online petitions protesting WalMart's
horrible conditions for their fish but don't know if this is truly a current
problem or not.

Beverly

--- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...
<mailto:thylacine_yawn%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked
> out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions
> that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the
> fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
> is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
> but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a
> shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky.
> The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh.
> (I'm loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
> because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the other
> place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid behind
> the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish
> to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about
> it after we left, or I probably would have given the kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
> understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
> call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
> know.
>
> Helen.
>
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25497 From: bmp Date: 1/23/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Good evening Lenny,

I respect you and your fine abilities with
fishkeeping. I have read several sections of your
blogs and find them informative and well written. I'm
grateful for the time and thought you put into
preparing them.

But I didn't post my question about WalMart and
whether they still sell pet fish in order to begin a
complaint against PETA. PETA isn't perfect but most of
their members have good intentions. I don't really
want to put them down, especially not in this context.
I just wanted to know if it was true that WalMart
stopped selling fish.

I hope they have. The fish deserve better.

Friend-ily yours,
Beverly

--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...>
wrote:

> I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are
> systemically bad.
>
>
> The online petitions are generally driven by over
> zealous PETA-types who
> want to bastardize an entire corporation over a
> department that might make
> up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably
> responsible for killing
> more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's
> combined. While PETA is
> spending their multi-million dollar budget
> jet-setting around with the
> Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the
> over-whelming majority
> of the animals they purportedly saved from bad
> conditions. If I was an
> animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a
> chance at living in poor
> conditions than be faced with near-certain death at
> the hands of PETA. Just
> Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you
> will find tons of
> information about them.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25498 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: HSUS
Thank you for that clarification and for passing along the artica. I appreciate the information; I had no idea the HSUS were what they are... I'm all for each person having his own opinion and I personally think that maybe we need some tougher laws to protect animals in certain industries, but animal rights activsts have a tendancy to totally cross over the lines (hope I'm not offending anyone), while groups like the Humane Society and ASPCA struggle to stay 'in business', spaying, neutering and protecting those who can't speak for themselves (sorry, every once in a while I watch Animal Cops and it makes me sad.... ) anyway, thanks again for the heads up. I will make a couple of calls and see if maybe this fish store guy doesn't just need a 'wake up call' from somebody to clean up his act -- and his store.

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25499 From: Ken Sharpe Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Lenny,
I agree with you on the PETA issue completely. The groups like PETA
and Greenpeace ramming fishing vessels a few years back trying to
kill the fishermen and the folks who spike trees to injure the
people who are cutting them down. They are all in the same boat on
this. This is enviromentalists trying to rule and running amock in
society.
I believe in protecting certain enviromental issues, but lets do it
in a peaceful manner. and not be "enviro-nazis"!
Oh and by the way, I do belong to PETA, not the PETA, but the PETA
that stands for People Eating Tasty Animals!

Also the Wal-marts in Greensboro that do still sell fish are usually
well kept clean tanks, as much as I dislike shopping at the "town"
of Wal-mart, I do have to give them credit on this matter.

Pastor Ken



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are systemically bad.
>
> I am sure there are isolated cases where the manager of the store
is lax in
> his/her supervision and management so that one or more departments
suffer in
> quality and customer service. This lack of proper management
and/or
> lackadaisical management is endemic and systemic in any and all
> businesses... both large and small.
>
> Too many managers are like parents nowadays and want to be liked
by all of
> their employees (like a parent wants to be friends with their kids)
> therefore, proper leadership and discipline is severely lacking.
When an
> employee sees that the manager doesn't care, the trickle down
effect is
> horrendous to the rest of the business' operations.
>
> Wal-Mart, simply because they are Wal-Mart, are criticized,
scrutinized and
> reported on far more heavily than a comparable mom & pop
operation. The
> fact is that any business in any industry can have both good and
bad
> operations from one outlet to the next, and even from one shift to
the next,
> depending on who is in charge at the time, whether it is a locally
owned mom
> & pop business or a chain outlet of a major retail corporation like
> Wal-Mart.
>
> The online petitions are generally driven by over zealous PETA-
types who
> want to bastardize an entire corporation over a department that
might make
> up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably responsible for
killing
> more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's combined. While
PETA is
> spending their multi-million dollar budget jet-setting around with
the
> Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the over-whelming
majority
> of the animals they purportedly saved from bad conditions. If I
was an
> animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a chance at living
in poor
> conditions than be faced with near-certain death at the hands of
PETA. Just
> Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you will find tons
of
> information about them.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of bmp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:21 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??
>
> Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores, I thought
you were
> talking about WalMart. I hear their fish live in pitifully kept
tanks. But I
> also read that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish
sometime soon,
> if not already. Can anyone else verify this? I quit shopping at
WalMart a
> few years ago for various reasons so I haven't been in one to know
for
> myself. I am aware there have been online petitions protesting
WalMart's
> horrible conditions for their fish but don't know if this is truly
a current
> problem or not.
>
> Beverly
>
> --- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...
> <mailto:thylacine_yawn%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
> > This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked
> > out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
conditions
> > that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier
for the
> > fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
> > is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or
anything,
> > but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to
take a
> > shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky.
> > The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but...
blegh.
> > (I'm loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new
shop
> > because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
other
> > place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the kid
behind
> > the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
goldfish
> > to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby told me
about
> > it after we left, or I probably would have given the kid an
earfull.)
> >
> > Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
> > understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I
can
> > call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let
me
> > know.
> >
> > Helen.
> >
> >
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25500 From: Hamrad Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Our local Walmart completely removed the fish section about three month ago but they have resorted (original setup) and restocked it this month. I am thinking they did not want to bother with it during the winter months and Christmas season.

Tom S.
----- Original Message -----
From: bmp
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:23 AM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??


Good evening Lenny,

I respect you and your fine abilities with
fishkeeping. I have read several sections of your
blogs and find them informative and well written. I'm
grateful for the time and thought you put into
preparing them.

But I didn't post my question about WalMart and
whether they still sell pet fish in order to begin a
complaint against PETA. PETA isn't perfect but most of
their members have good intentions. I don't really
want to put them down, especially not in this context.
I just wanted to know if it was true that WalMart
stopped selling fish.

I hope they have. The fish deserve better.

Friend-ily yours,
Beverly

--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...>
wrote:

> I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are
> systemically bad.
>
>
> The online petitions are generally driven by over
> zealous PETA-types who
> want to bastardize an entire corporation over a
> department that might make
> up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably
> responsible for killing
> more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's
> combined. While PETA is
> spending their multi-million dollar budget
> jet-setting around with the
> Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the
> over-whelming majority
> of the animals they purportedly saved from bad
> conditions. If I was an
> animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a
> chance at living in poor
> conditions than be faced with near-certain death at
> the hands of PETA. Just
> Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you
> will find tons of
> information about them.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

Peace, please!

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25501 From: hamrad45 Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I think they are different at every store. We have two Walmart
stores that use to have fish up until three months ago when they took
everything out including the display. This month they have put
everything back. I guess they did not want to bother with the fish
during the Christmas season.

Secondly, both Walmart's fish displays were keep very clean. We have
two PetSmart stores which I would rate as a 7 compared to a 10 (on a
relative scale) for Walmart and two private stores that I would rate
as a 1 or 2. All of these stores are totally depended on the
managers as far as how they are kept.

Just another piece of imperical data.


- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bmp <bmpardue@...> wrote:
>
> Until you mentioned losing your faith in local stores,
> I thought you were talking about WalMart. I hear their
> fish live in pitifully kept tanks. But I also read
> that all WalMart stores will stop selling pet fish
> sometime soon, if not already. Can anyone else verify
> this? I quit shopping at WalMart a few years ago for
> various reasons so I haven't been in one to know for
> myself. I am aware there have been online petitions
> protesting WalMart's horrible conditions for their
> fish but don't know if this is truly a current problem
> or not.
>
> Beverly
>
> --- Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...> wrote:
>
> > This isn't really related to anything, but... has
> > anyone ever walked out of an aquarium store and felt
> > so grossed out by the conditions that you wanted a
> > shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the
> > fish that were living or the ones that were dead....
> > is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a
> > crusader or anything, but I went into this place
> > yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower
> > when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky.
> > The occasional dead fish I guess is part of the
> > trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in local
> > outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was
> > tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
> > other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw
> > was when the kid behind the counter told my husband
> > how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim
> > upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
> > told me about it after we left, or I probably would
> > have given the kid an earfull.)
> >
> > Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed
> > somebody who'd understand... although if there is an
> > organization or whatever I can call to report a
> > hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
> > know.
> >
> > Helen.
> >
> >
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25502 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Beverly,

There are several thousand members in this group and possibly thousands more
that read the postings online who are not members, so when you brought up
the online petitions against Wal-Mart and commented about hoping that
Wal-Mart would shut down their fish departments, I wanted to put those in
context.

For many people, a Wal-Mart fish department is the only fish store in town
so it would be much better for people to continue to complain to Wal-Mart HQ
and to the store managers to keep the department up and running properly,
rather than petitioning to shut them all down. The more fish
stores/departments there are, the better for the hobbyist as far as
competitive pricing and availability of product.

My complaint about PETA was against the BIG PETA CORPORATION. I never said
anything bad against the low-level members/donors of PETA, although they are
generally uninformed want-to-be do-gooder type volunteers who end up doing
the grunt work and giving their hard earned money to a BIG CORPORATION like
PETA while PETA's leadership whizzes away the money, jet-setting with the
rich and famous hollywood leftists and are generally protected and not
reported on by the left-leaning national media outlets that love to tear
apart companies like Wal-Mart.

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 has a good
summary on PETA and many other so-called "rights" organizations and the
following snippet is from their page on PETA.

"PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in 2004 alone, but few
donors understand exactly where their money is going. During the past ten
years, PETA has spent four times as much on criminals and their legal
defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter programs, and other efforts
that actually help animals....

PETA is not an animal welfare organization.

PETA spends LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of its multi-million dollar budget
actually helping animals. The group euthanized (killed) more than 1,900
animals in 2003 alone -- that's over 85 percent of the animals it received.
(Lenny comments: Wal-Mart doesn’t kill 85% of the fish they receive) In
fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs,
cats, and other "companion animals" at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters.
That's more than five animals every day. On its 2002 federal income-tax
return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind
most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights
activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn't confirmed
the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to store the bodies of its
victims."

These people who continually tear apart companies like Wal-Mart should spend
more time looking in the mirror and/or looking at the so-called rights
organizations they are doing the dirty work for... groups that often have an
agenda far more insidious than saving some pet fish.

When anyone utilizes their freedom of speech rights and brings up something
negative about a good company like Wal-Mart, then reciprocally, I can use my
freedom of speech rights to contradict any misinformation and/or expand on
the topic.

NO, I do not work for Wal-Mart and I don't even own a single share of their
stock and I might only shop at a Wal-Mart a few times a year, but I am a
businessman and I feel sorry for Wal-Mart and their employees and
stockholders to be constantly attacked and demonized by the left, when
groups like PETA are just as guilty of killing animals and pound-for-pound,
probably kill far more than the fish departments at Wal-Mart... but they are
hailed as animal-rights groups by the left as if they are doing good for the
thousands of animals that they kill each year.

These folks that volunteer or propagandize to try and shut down Wal-Mart’s
fish departments should just volunteer at the local Wal-Mart fish department
to start teaching the employees and department manager how to better care
for their fish. That would do immediate good for the fish and the hobby,
whereas spending years and years trying to shut down Wal-Mart will not.

And as far as your comment about “good intentions”... there’s an old saying
about that too... but I won’t expand on that one! ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bmp
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:23 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??

Good evening Lenny,

I respect you and your fine abilities with fishkeeping. I have read several
sections of your blogs and find them informative and well written. I'm
grateful for the time and thought you put into preparing them.

But I didn't post my question about WalMart and whether they still sell pet
fish in order to begin a complaint against PETA. PETA isn't perfect but most
of their members have good intentions. I don't really want to put them down,
especially not in this context.
I just wanted to know if it was true that WalMart stopped selling fish.

I hope they have. The fish deserve better.

Friend-ily yours,
Beverly

--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
wrote:

> I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are systemically bad.
>
>
> The online petitions are generally driven by over
> zealous PETA-types who
> want to bastardize an entire corporation over a
> department that might make
> up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably
> responsible for killing
> more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's
> combined. While PETA is
> spending their multi-million dollar budget
> jet-setting around with the
> Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the
> over-whelming majority
> of the animals they purportedly saved from bad
> conditions. If I was an
> animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a
> chance at living in poor
> conditions than be faced with near-certain death at
> the hands of PETA. Just
> Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you
> will find tons of
> information about them.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25503 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Very well put. I also believe that it is a lack of knowledge on the part of the employees on how to care for fish. I have donated my time quite frequently, to friends,family,senior centers, petshops, and strangers on general fish care. If all of us aquatic lovers could reach out and share our knowledge of the trade to a novice, then we could make alot of fish happy.








----- Original Message ----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:32:30 AM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??

Beverly,

There are several thousand members in this group and possibly thousands more
that read the postings online who are not members, so when you brought up
the online petitions against Wal-Mart and commented about hoping that
Wal-Mart would shut down their fish departments, I wanted to put those in
context.

For many people, a Wal-Mart fish department is the only fish store in town
so it would be much better for people to continue to complain to Wal-Mart HQ
and to the store managers to keep the department up and running properly,
rather than petitioning to shut them all down. The more fish
stores/departments there are, the better for the hobbyist as far as
competitive pricing and availability of product.

My complaint about PETA was against the BIG PETA CORPORATION. I never said
anything bad against the low-level members/donors of PETA, although they are
generally uninformed want-to-be do-gooder type volunteers who end up doing
the grunt work and giving their hard earned money to a BIG CORPORATION like
PETA while PETA's leadership whizzes away the money, jet-setting with the
rich and famous hollywood leftists and are generally protected and not
reported on by the left-leaning national media outlets that love to tear
apart companies like Wal-Mart.

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 has a good
summary on PETA and many other so-called "rights" organizations and the
following snippet is from their page on PETA.

"PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in 2004 alone, but few
donors understand exactly where their money is going. During the past ten
years, PETA has spent four times as much on criminals and their legal
defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter programs, and other efforts
that actually help animals....

PETA is not an animal welfare organization.

PETA spends LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of its multi-million dollar budget
actually helping animals. The group euthanized (killed) more than 1,900
animals in 2003 alone -- that's over 85 percent of the animals it received.
(Lenny comments: Wal-Mart doesn�t kill 85% of the fish they receive) In
fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs,
cats, and other "companion animals" at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters.
That's more than five animals every day. On its 2002 federal income-tax
return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind
most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights
activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn't confirmed
the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to store the bodies of its
victims."

These people who continually tear apart companies like Wal-Mart should spend
more time looking in the mirror and/or looking at the so-called rights
organizations they are doing the dirty work for... groups that often have an
agenda far more insidious than saving some pet fish.

When anyone utilizes their freedom of speech rights and brings up something
negative about a good company like Wal-Mart, then reciprocally, I can use my
freedom of speech rights to contradict any misinformation and/or expand on
the topic.

NO, I do not work for Wal-Mart and I don't even own a single share of their
stock and I might only shop at a Wal-Mart a few times a year, but I am a
businessman and I feel sorry for Wal-Mart and their employees and
stockholders to be constantly attacked and demonized by the left, when
groups like PETA are just as guilty of killing animals and pound-for-pound,
probably kill far more than the fish departments at Wal-Mart... but they are
hailed as animal-rights groups by the left as if they are doing good for the
thousands of animals that they kill each year.

These folks that volunteer or propagandize to try and shut down Wal-Mart�s
fish departments should just volunteer at the local Wal-Mart fish department
to start teaching the employees and department manager how to better care
for their fish. That would do immediate good for the fish and the hobby,
whereas spending years and years trying to shut down Wal-Mart will not.

And as far as your comment about �good intentions�... there�s an old saying
about that too... but I won�t expand on that one! ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bmp
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:23 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??

Good evening Lenny,

I respect you and your fine abilities with fishkeeping. I have read several
sections of your blogs and find them informative and well written. I'm
grateful for the time and thought you put into preparing them.

But I didn't post my question about WalMart and whether they still sell pet
fish in order to begin a complaint against PETA. PETA isn't perfect but most
of their members have good intentions. I don't really want to put them down,
especially not in this context.
I just wanted to know if it was true that WalMart stopped selling fish.

I hope they have. The fish deserve better.

Friend-ily yours,
Beverly

--- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
wrote:

> I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are systemically bad.
>
>
> The online petitions are generally driven by over
> zealous PETA-types who
> want to bastardize an entire corporation over a
> department that might make
> up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably
> responsible for killing
> more animals each year than all of the Wal-Mart's
> combined. While PETA is
> spending their multi-million dollar budget
> jet-setting around with the
> Hollywood left, they are simultaneously killing the
> over-whelming majority
> of the animals they purportedly saved from bad
> conditions. If I was an
> animal, I'd much rather be left alone to have a
> chance at living in poor
> conditions than be faced with near-certain death at
> the hands of PETA. Just
> Google something like 'PETA kills animals' and you
> will find tons of
> information about them.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25504 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I too thought Wal-Mart had stopped selling fish several years ago. Several
months they opened a new one in Dawson county just north of me they are
touting as the largest in the country. I don't know how true that is, but
last time I was in there I was shocked to find a stocked fish section.
Maybe 12-15 tanks that looked pretty well kept... not great, but not the
worst I've ever seen either. That is one big Wal-Mart by the way.

Lynn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25505 From: Angela Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Our walmart has fish as well... Unfortunately they don't often look well
kept.

-------Original Message-------

From: Lynn Francis
Date: 01/24/08 08:39:17
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....WalMart??

I too thought Wal-Mart had stopped selling fish several years ago. Several
months they opened a new one in Dawson county just north of me they are
touting as the largest in the country. I don't know how true that is, but
last time I was in there I was shocked to find a stocked fish section.
Maybe 12-15 tanks that looked pretty well kept... not great, but not the
worst I've ever seen either. That is one big Wal-Mart by the way.

Lynn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25506 From: bruce cohen Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: wallmart vs petco
if the choise was between wallmart or petco I would choose walmart
because petco has a bad rep with marine fish and inverts they do not
keep the water at the proper peramiters to keep the animals alive and
as far as my local fish store whom has earned the name total rip off.
he sells saltwater and calls it Catalina water he goes as far as to
tell the customers that it is catlina water but what He does not know
that he can be checked online or call them to find out that He is not
a catlina water buyer. HE has made a mess out of my tank at the
present time.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25507 From: Brian Pierce Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I have to agree with marsha. I used to work at a
Petsmart in CT (petco's biggest competition). most of
the staff in the aquatic section thought they were
knowledgeable in this area, but were often wrong.
See, there are 2 major problems with any type of
retail store, whether or not they sell pets/aquatics :
one is poor training. companies like petco and
petsmart do not have knowledgeable staff because
management all the way up to the corporate level is
built of people who are just out to make money, and
therefore, put cost before genuine expert training.

the second problem is wages. Most people will not put
their all into a job if they don't make enough money
to even feed themselves. the cost of living in CT for
basic needs (food, shelter, gas and vehicle
maintenance, clothing) can run from $19,000 to
$21,000 a year (with current economic conditions) and
the average retail employee working 40+ hours a week
for minimum wage or even slightly higher have annual
pre-tax gross of aprox. $15,000- $18,000. I'm sure
the same can be said for other states as well,
considering that min. wage is different from state to
state, as is cost of living.

my point is that if you really want to see better pet
care, the responsibility does not lie solely with
store managers (although it does play a part). People
need to care more about their jobs. and who really
cares about a job that doesn't even meet their basic
needs??

maybe people who genuinely care about the health and
safety of animals and fish should volunteer time, or
better yet, go into fishcare and petcare themselves.
realistically, most people don't have the time to
volunteer, but if you do, it would help.

I believe the only solution is to have people who
really care more about animal well-being then money
get into the business.

anyway, that's my rant.

--- marsha wilburn <alien8mipussy@...> wrote:

> Very well put. I also believe that it is a lack of
> knowledge on the part of the employees on how to
> care for fish. I have donated my time quite
> frequently, to friends,family,senior centers,
> petshops, and strangers on general fish care. If
> all of us aquatic lovers could reach out and share
> our knowledge of the trade to a novice, then we
> could make alot of fish happy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:32:30 AM
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??
>
> Beverly,
>
> There are several thousand members in this group and
> possibly thousands more
> that read the postings online who are not members,
> so when you brought up
> the online petitions against Wal-Mart and commented
> about hoping that
> Wal-Mart would shut down their fish departments, I
> wanted to put those in
> context.
>
> For many people, a Wal-Mart fish department is the
> only fish store in town
> so it would be much better for people to continue to
> complain to Wal-Mart HQ
> and to the store managers to keep the department up
> and running properly,
> rather than petitioning to shut them all down. The
> more fish
> stores/departments there are, the better for the
> hobbyist as far as
> competitive pricing and availability of product.
>
> My complaint about PETA was against the BIG PETA
> CORPORATION. I never said
> anything bad against the low-level members/donors of
> PETA, although they are
> generally uninformed want-to-be do-gooder type
> volunteers who end up doing
> the grunt work and giving their hard earned money to
> a BIG CORPORATION like
> PETA while PETA's leadership whizzes away the money,
> jet-setting with the
> rich and famous hollywood leftists and are generally
> protected and not
> reported on by the left-leaning national media
> outlets that love to tear
> apart companies like Wal-Mart.
>
>
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21
> has a good
> summary on PETA and many other so-called "rights"
> organizations and the
> following snippet is from their page on PETA.
>
> "PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in
> 2004 alone, but few
> donors understand exactly where their money is
> going. During the past ten
> years, PETA has spent four times as much on
> criminals and their legal
> defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter
> programs, and other efforts
> that actually help animals....
>
> PETA is not an animal welfare organization.
>
> PETA spends LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of its
> multi-million dollar budget
> actually helping animals. The group euthanized
> (killed) more than 1,900
> animals in 2003 alone -- that's over 85 percent of
> the animals it received.
> (Lenny comments: Wal-Mart doesn’t kill 85% of the
> fish they receive) In
> fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA
> killed over 10,000 dogs,
> cats, and other "companion animals" at its Norfolk,
> Virginia headquarters.
> That's more than five animals every day. On its 2002
> federal income-tax
> return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant
> walk-in freezer, the kind
> most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream
> storage. But animal-rights
> activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the
> group hasn't confirmed
> the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to
> store the bodies of its
> victims."
>
> These people who continually tear apart companies
> like Wal-Mart should spend
> more time looking in the mirror and/or looking at
> the so-called rights
> organizations they are doing the dirty work for...
> groups that often have an
> agenda far more insidious than saving some pet fish.
>
> When anyone utilizes their freedom of speech rights
> and brings up something
> negative about a good company like Wal-Mart, then
> reciprocally, I can use my
> freedom of speech rights to contradict any
> misinformation and/or expand on
> the topic.
>
> NO, I do not work for Wal-Mart and I don't even own
> a single share of their
> stock and I might only shop at a Wal-Mart a few
> times a year, but I am a
> businessman and I feel sorry for Wal-Mart and their
> employees and
> stockholders to be constantly attacked and demonized
> by the left, when
> groups like PETA are just as guilty of killing
> animals and pound-for-pound,
> probably kill far more than the fish departments at
> Wal-Mart... but they are
> hailed as animal-rights groups by the left as if
> they are doing good for the
> thousands of animals that they kill each year.
>
> These folks that volunteer or propagandize to try
> and shut down Wal-Mart’s
> fish departments should just volunteer at the local
> Wal-Mart fish department
> to start teaching the employees and department
> manager how to better care
> for their fish. That would do immediate good for
> the fish and the hobby,
> whereas spending years and years trying to shut down
> Wal-Mart will not.
>
> And as far as your comment about “good
> intentions”... there’s an old saying
> about that too... but I won’t expand on that one!
> ;-)
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of bmp
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:23 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish stores....WalMart??
>
> Good evening Lenny,
>
> I respect you and your fine abilities with
> fishkeeping. I have read several
> sections of your blogs and find them informative and
> well written. I'm
> grateful for the time and thought you put into
> preparing them.
>
> But I didn't post my question about WalMart and
> whether they still sell pet
> fish in order to begin a complaint against PETA.
> PETA isn't perfect but most
> of their members have good intentions. I don't
> really want to put them down,
> especially not in this context.
> I just wanted to know if it was true that WalMart
> stopped selling fish.
>
> I hope they have. The fish deserve better.
>
> Friend-ily yours,
> Beverly
>
> --- "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...
> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > I don't think Wal-Mart fish departments are
> systemically bad.
> >
> >
> > The online petitions are generally driven by over
> > zealous PETA-types who
> > want to bastardize an entire corporation over a
> > department that might make
> > up 1% of its overall operation. PETA is probably
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25508 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Steve and Mike, Thank you for filling in on some misconceptions I
had between the HSUS and the local Humane Societies. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Deenerz@... wrote:
>
> Thak you Steve!
>
> -Mike
>
>
> The link given below is incomplete. The full link is:
>
> http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Szabo <steve@...>
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 8:18 pm
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The link given below is incomplete. The full link is:
>
> http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136
>
> \\Steve//
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Deenerz@...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....
>
> We need to clarify something here.
>
> The Humane Society of the United States does not have any
affiliation whatsoever with any other humane society in the United
States. Your local Humane Sopciety has no Affiliation with the HSUS
(See above), They are seperate entities.
>
> If you donate to your local Humane Society your are doing good
things in your local community, helping pets in your area.
>
> If you donate money to the HSUS you are giving money to a group
that does not have one single shelter in the United States. Your
money goes to a group that tries to pass insidious laws that are
already taking your right to animal ownership away from you. 
>
>
> "Buried deep within HSUS’s website is a disclaimer noting that
the group “is not affiliated with, nor is it a parent organization
for, local humane societies, animal shelters, or animal care and
control agencies. These are independent organizations … HSUS does
not operate or have direct control over any animal shelter.”
>
> This link has a lot of information about the HSUS.
>
> http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
>
>  or your state's Humane Society
> of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
> dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on
major
> abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
> establishments are involved. Ray
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 7:06 am
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sure, you could contact your closest A.S.P.C.A. (American Society
for
> the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals), or your state's Humane
Society
> of America. While their concern is mainly with large animals (cats,
> dogs, etc.), they're always interested in coming down hard, on
major
> abuses of this nature of most any kind when pet shops and similar
> establishments are involved. Ray
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn
> <thylacine_yawn@> wrote:
> >
> > This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
> walked out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the
> conditions that you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt
> sorrier for the fish that were living or the ones that were
dead....
> is there ANY (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything,
> but I went into this place yesterday and really just wanted to take
> a shower when I left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The
> occasional dead fish I guess is part of the trade but... blegh.
(I'm
> loosing my faith in local outlets; I went looking for a new shop
> because I was tired of getting stupid advice from the kid at the
> other place I (though) I like to go. The last straw was when the
kid
> behind the counter told my husband how perfectly normal it was for
> goldfish to swim upside down. I didn't hear it personally, hubby
> told me about it after we left, or I probably would have given the
> kid an earfull.)
> >
> > Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
> understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I
can
> call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
> know.
> >
> > Helen.
> >
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25509 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
I wanted to add something, I havent read all the
posts, just a couple. I do work at a pet store (Pet
Supplies Plus, in Toledo Ohio). And money does lie
within. When I was first hired into the company, my
manager at the time looked at my app and resume and
told me, he cant afford to pay me what he thought I
was worth. I was hired in not as a fish person, but as
an animal person, mainly for reptiles and small
animals, but also for the birds. I took a big paycut
as I was unhappy working at my other job, I wanted out
to do something I wold enjoy more. So 6 years ago I
was making 6 bucks an hour. Whoopie do for a person
who at the time, had 5 years of reptile care, cant
count how many years of small animal care, and I was
raised on fish care as I cant remember a time we didnt
have fish (used to raise african cichilids, we had
wall to wall fishtanks in our garage for breeding).

I soon dug waist deep into bird care, I personally do
not like the idea of selling an animal I didnt know
anything about. So our bird lady, yes a bird lady, she
has had parrots for over 20 years, breeding and
caring. I would dig through her brain for info, joined
bird groups, read as much as possible. I am still this
way even today as I personally now own 2 parrots. I
even have tought the bird lady a few things as she
didnt know all species, just most of the major ones(I
taught her alot about eclectus and caique thats what I
have). I also work for an exotics vets office, I am
constantly running ideas about care and info through
both of our vets.

And then it comes to fish. Fish are like every other
animal to me in the store, if I dont know things about
a species, I will look it up. Mainly the brackish
water fish. Again I personally do not like to sell an
animal without knowing the specs on it. I forwarn
people about the size the fish will get, inform them
that they are schoolers and get more than 1 or 2 of
them (I push for a min of 5, which usually works). And
for instance last week told a kid who had 2
oscars(about 9" long), a 4" convict, 2 8" pacu all in
a 55 ggallon tank he seriously needed to get a larger
tank, or get rid of all but 1 oscar who really would
prefer to be in a 75 over a 55. I have talked him into
giving my store the pacu so that we might find them a
larger home (usually when we get the big fish in, we
require the customer to have a certain size tank
before selling the fish to them). I also told him we
would take the oscars or the convict also, along with
some random cichlids he didnt know what it was that
beat the crap out of all his other fish so it was now
condemed to a 20 gallon (9" long fish). Yet alone he
does a water change once a month on this tank that is
way over populated. Told him to do it at least once a
week with all of those fish, even if he decides to
keep one oscar due to their size and messiness...ok
that isnt spelled right).

Now had that been one of the other 3 customer service
people would he have been told any of that? No. Why?
They work there because it is a job. The one girl
presses me for animal info, and if we do get a new
strange animal that there is not a correct caresheet
for(yes I review and make my vets review it also), I
will hand write a quick cheat sheet as I call it, so
they will know size, temperment, feeding, tank space
needed ect for the anima reguardless if its a bird,
reptile or fish. What is funny is that only the one
customer service person besides me gives a hoot, and
we have a few cashiers who would check the sheets for
info, it is sad when the cashier makes more of an
effort than the actual animal person.

My point? damn I rambled.... Anyways 6 years later I
barely make over $8, I am one of the higher payed
people, I make more than the bookeeper for my store. I
know for a fact that the assistant store manager
barely makes more than me as they tried to get me to
do that, said wasnt worth making a couple more per
hour to take care of a store, I make more than that at
my other job as a part time manager for a produce
dept. They cant afford to pay people who know anything
about these animals as most people want to e paid for
what they are worth. I know I am worth more than $8,
but I use that jobs as gas money to get me back and
forth to school (biology major, gonna grad at the end
of the fall semester...woohoo go me!). And even so,
these jobs hire in a min wage, in ohio it is
$7...woohoo I will make a 1.25 more than a new hire!
And as stated, to give your time away for free....well
most people do not have free time. And also insurance
comes into play. To voluntee at the zoo, those people
although not workers are still covered by their health
insurance for the brief time they were there if
something happened. At a pet store, you are too much
of a liability, it is the same with like someone who
is under 15, its to much effort to have them.

So it is back to the drawing board. I have always been
a firm believer in never buy your fish where youcan
buy clothing, but to get rid of fish in walmart would
doom some people to never get fish as walmart is
usually the only place out in the middle of nowhere
that will offer them. All I can say is if you buy
walmart fish, do yourself a favor and keep a small qt
tank to be sure you do not introduce anything into
your tank. Which is a good idea anyways reguardless of
where you buy from. Thankfully Toledo has alot of
options for fish places.

*steps down from soap box*.....ooo tide I love tide!

~Melissa


--- Brian Pierce <brian_patrick_pierce06@...>
wrote:

> I have to agree with marsha. I used to work at a
> Petsmart in CT (petco's biggest competition). most
> of
> the staff in the aquatic section thought they were
> knowledgeable in this area, but were often wrong.
> See, there are 2 major problems with any type of
> retail store, whether or not they sell pets/aquatics
> :
> one is poor training. companies like petco and
> petsmart do not have knowledgeable staff because
> management all the way up to the corporate level is
> built of people who are just out to make money, and
> therefore, put cost before genuine expert training.
>
>
> the second problem is wages. Most people will not
> put
> their all into a job if they don't make enough money
> to even feed themselves. the cost of living in CT
> for
> basic needs (food, shelter, gas and vehicle
> maintenance, clothing) can run from $19,000 to
> $21,000 a year (with current economic conditions)
> and
> the average retail employee working 40+ hours a week
> for minimum wage or even slightly higher have annual
> pre-tax gross of aprox. $15,000- $18,000. I'm sure
> the same can be said for other states as well,
> considering that min. wage is different from state
> to
> state, as is cost of living.
>
> my point is that if you really want to see better
> pet
> care, the responsibility does not lie solely with
> store managers (although it does play a part).
> People
> need to care more about their jobs. and who really
> cares about a job that doesn't even meet their basic
> needs??
>
> maybe people who genuinely care about the health and
> safety of animals and fish should volunteer time, or
> better yet, go into fishcare and petcare themselves.
> realistically, most people don't have the time to
> volunteer, but if you do, it would help.
>
> I believe the only solution is to have people who
> really care more about animal well-being then money
> get into the business.
>
> anyway, that's my rant.
>
> --- marsha wilburn <alien8mipussy@...> wrote:
>
> > Very well put. I also believe that it is a lack
> of
> > knowledge on the part of the employees on how to
> > care for fish. I have donated my time quite
> > frequently, to friends,family,senior centers,
> > petshops, and strangers on general fish care. If
> > all of us aquatic lovers could reach out and share
> > our knowledge of the trade to a novice, then we
> > could make alot of fish happy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:32:30 AM
> > Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fish
> stores....WalMart??
> >
> > Beverly,
> >
> > There are several thousand members in this group
> and
> > possibly thousands more
> > that read the postings online who are not members,
> > so when you brought up
> > the online petitions against Wal-Mart and
> commented
> > about hoping that
> > Wal-Mart would shut down their fish departments, I
> > wanted to put those in
> > context.
> >
> > For many people, a Wal-Mart fish department is the
> > only fish store in town
> > so it would be much better for people to continue
> to
> > complain to Wal-Mart HQ
> > and to the store managers to keep the department
> up
> > and running properly,
> > rather than petitioning to shut them all down.
> The
> > more fish
> > stores/departments there are, the better for the
> > hobbyist as far as
> > competitive pricing and availability of product.
> >
> > My complaint about PETA was against the BIG PETA
> > CORPORATION. I never said
> > anything bad against the low-level members/donors
> of
> > PETA, although they are
> > generally uninformed want-to-be do-gooder type
> > volunteers who end up doing
> > the grunt work and giving their hard earned money
> to
> > a BIG CORPORATION like
> > PETA while PETA's leadership whizzes away the
> money,
> > jet-setting with the
> > rich and famous hollywood leftists and are
> generally
> > protected and not
> > reported on by the left-leaning national media
> > outlets that love to tear
> > apart companies like Wal-Mart.
> >
> >
>
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21
> > has a good
> > summary on PETA and many other so-called "rights"
> > organizations and the
> > following snippet is from their page on PETA.
> >
> > "PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in
> > 2004 alone, but few
> > donors understand exactly where their money is
> > going. During the past ten
> > years, PETA has spent four times as much on
> > criminals and their legal
> > defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter
> > programs, and other efforts
> > that actually help animals....
> >
> > PETA is not an animal welfare organization.
> >
> > PETA spends LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of its
> > multi-million dollar budget
> > actually helping animals. The group euthanized
> > (killed) more than 1,900
> > animals in 2003 alone -- that's over 85 percent of
> > the animals it received.
> > (Lenny comments: Wal-Mart doesn’t kill 85% of the
> > fish they receive) In
> > fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA
> > killed over 10,000 dogs,
> > cats, and other "companion animals" at its
> Norfolk,
> > Virginia headquarters.
> > That's more than five animals every day. On its
> 2002
> > federal income-tax
> > return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant
> > walk-in freezer, the kind
> > most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream
> > storage. But animal-rights
> > activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far,
> the
> > group hasn't confirmed
> > the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to
> > store the bodies of its
> > victims."
> >
> > These people who continually tear apart companies
> > like Wal-Mart should spend
> > more time looking in the mirror and/or looking at
> > the so-called rights
> > organizations they are doing the dirty work for...
> > groups that often have an
> > agenda far more insidious than saving some pet
> fish.
> >
> > When anyone utilizes their freedom of speech
> rights
> > and brings up something
> > negative about a good company like Wal-Mart, then
> > reciprocally, I can use my
> > freedom of speech rights to contradict any
> > misinformation and/or expand on
> > the topic.
> >
> > NO, I do not work for Wal-Mart and I don't even
> own
> > a single share of their
> > stock and I might only shop at a Wal-Mart a few
> > times a year, but I am a
> > businessman and I feel sorry for Wal-Mart and
> their
> > employees and
> > stockholders to be constantly attacked and
> demonized
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25510 From: jabugladybug Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: How to get nitrate level down
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wrote:
>
> Hi guys, my husband and I are new to saltwater tanks. We have a 8
week
> old, 14 gal, Biocube. Up until now, all readings have been great. In
> the last few days, Nitrate level is high (20). My question is, is
there
> any other method, besides water change, that we should be using to
get
> the level down? My husband has done some online research, but
> everything seems to point to water changes...which is fine, but we
> wonder if we need to do something more. Many thanks, Donna
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25511 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
(a response to a response to a response was trimmed out of this post)

I am not going to comment about PETA (unless they sell A1 Sauce)

WALMART - the one in Fuquay Varina, NC was out of hand to the point
that I personally called the cops due to the level of fish carcasses
that were in their tanks.

In the evening it is the responsibility of the Garden Center cashier
to service the fish buying customers - that means terrible service
because those cashier's do NOT have the time to tend to customer
needs - nor do most of them have the needed knowledge to properly
answer basic aquaria questions.

I do not know where the rumor that WalMart is going out of the fish
sales came from - but in Holly Springs is a brand new super walmart
that also has tanks.

My BIGGEST complaint about them is their interest in selling Pacu's
(aka Tank Busters)
They are neat looking tiny fish - that turn into HUGE monsters.
IMO - they do NOT need to be sold to the community fish tank owners.

Randy
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25512 From: aaron102272 Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores
Hello Melissa,

Thank you for your post. I truly appreciate you sharing your
experience. I am glad to see that there are others that are
passionate, not just about this hobby, but about their beliefs as
well. Your story demonstrates how much you care about doing the right
thing. It also illustrates very accurately from an insiders
perspective just how cautious we must be as consumers ~ "Buyer Beware"

I too took a huge pay cut to work part time at a Big Box pet store
after deciding I could do a better job than the current employees. I
had no specific pet type experience, but I did have more years of
work experience than most of them combined. There was absolutely no
training other than the basics of working the cash register. And sad
to say, most of the employees were only there because it was an easy
way to make a fast buck, (read illegally i.e. fake returns, wholesale
shoplifting, helping themselves to the cash out of the register,
etc.. ) They were not even there because it was just a job, there was
no question why the animals suffered. The only person who seemed to
know anything about the Aquatics department was there just long
enough to build his own business of maintaining the fish he was
selling to the stores customers. He helped himself to plenty
of "free" supplies to get started and left, but not before replacing
almost all of the small care cards under each tank with his business
cards.

I saw a lot of turn over in a few short months, nobody that was there
when I began was there when I left, I out lasted everyone, all the
way up to the regional management. But it never got any better and
the longer I stayed there the more difficult it became to be there
and I to had to leave.

I am glad I did have that store experience at the very beginning. I
can't imagine what might have happened if I had continued blindly
taking random advice from total strangers just because they wore a
name tag or owned a small lfs. The last time I bought any fish from 1
in particular was how I learned about ich the hard way. I had a
beautifully stocked 55 gallon planted community tank that was getting
a little bit of algae. I went to the place down the street where the
owner sold me a standard pleco with cool looking white spots, neat.
A few weeks later the tank had to be torn down completely and I had
to start all over. That is when I started shopping around and a lfs
30 miles away educated me on the basics and sold me a 12 gallon
aquarium for use as a Quarantine Tank. That location was not as
convenient as the 4 in town or several others a town away but they
had the best customer service I had ever seen and they were dedicated
to educating the customers as priority number one with the
understanding that the money would follow. If the customers all give
up due to bad advice then eventually there won't be any more cash
coming in, but if you can get them more involved then they will be
life long customers and will gladly recommend the store to friends.
Sadly that store flooded twice from bad pipes in the walls or ceiling
and the owner had to close permanently.

Now I know to research first and buy later, it was difficult to give
up the impulse buy.

Thanks again for your post, hopefully there are many other quality
pet store people out there. It seems unfair that we are too easily
lumped into a generalized category with all the others that do not
care about the animals or customers. Perhaps if we see somebody at a
big box chain or lfs who really cares about what they are doing we
can take the time to thank them and let the management know that the
person is the only reason we keep coming back and that they deserve a
raise and promotion.
Maybe we can help get the few that do care into a postion to make a
differance and possibly reverse the stereo-typical trend of bad
service, poor care and under training ~ that seems like it would be
better than just shutting them all down. Maybe. I can hope can't I.


-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Melissa Walker <playnwifsnot@...>
wrote:
>
> I wanted to add something, I havent read all the
> posts, just a couple. I do work at a pet store (Pet
> Supplies Plus, in Toledo Ohio). And money does lie
> within. When I was first hired into the company, my
> manager at the time looked at my app and resume and
> told me, he cant afford to pay me what he thought I
> was worth. I was hired in not as a fish person, but as
> an animal person, mainly for reptiles and small
> animals, but also for the birds. I took a big paycut
> as I was unhappy working at my other job, I wanted out
> to do something I wold enjoy more. So 6 years ago I
> was making 6 bucks an hour. Whoopie do for a person
> who at the time, had 5 years of reptile care, cant
> count how many years of small animal care, and I was
> raised on fish care as I cant remember a time we didnt
> have fish (used to raise african cichilids, we had
> wall to wall fishtanks in our garage for breeding).
>
> I soon dug waist deep into bird care, I personally do
> not like the idea of selling an animal I didnt know
> anything about. So our bird lady, yes a bird lady, she
> has had parrots for over 20 years, breeding and
> caring. I would dig through her brain for info, joined
> bird groups, read as much as possible. I am still this
> way even today as I personally now own 2 parrots. I
> even have tought the bird lady a few things as she
> didnt know all species, just most of the major ones(I
> taught her alot about eclectus and caique thats what I
> have). I also work for an exotics vets office, I am
> constantly running ideas about care and info through
> both of our vets.
>
> And then it comes to fish. Fish are like every other
> animal to me in the store, if I dont know things about
> a species, I will look it up. Mainly the brackish
> water fish. Again I personally do not like to sell an
> animal without knowing the specs on it. I forwarn
> people about the size the fish will get, inform them
> that they are schoolers and get more than 1 or 2 of
> them (I push for a min of 5, which usually works). And
> for instance last week told a kid who had 2
> oscars(about 9" long), a 4" convict, 2 8" pacu all in
> a 55 ggallon tank he seriously needed to get a larger
> tank, or get rid of all but 1 oscar who really would
> prefer to be in a 75 over a 55. I have talked him into
> giving my store the pacu so that we might find them a
> larger home (usually when we get the big fish in, we
> require the customer to have a certain size tank
> before selling the fish to them). I also told him we
> would take the oscars or the convict also, along with
> some random cichlids he didnt know what it was that
> beat the crap out of all his other fish so it was now
> condemed to a 20 gallon (9" long fish). Yet alone he
> does a water change once a month on this tank that is
> way over populated. Told him to do it at least once a
> week with all of those fish, even if he decides to
> keep one oscar due to their size and messiness...ok
> that isnt spelled right).
>
> Now had that been one of the other 3 customer service
> people would he have been told any of that? No. Why?
> They work there because it is a job. The one girl
> presses me for animal info, and if we do get a new
> strange animal that there is not a correct caresheet
> for(yes I review and make my vets review it also), I
> will hand write a quick cheat sheet as I call it, so
> they will know size, temperment, feeding, tank space
> needed ect for the anima reguardless if its a bird,
> reptile or fish. What is funny is that only the one
> customer service person besides me gives a hoot, and
> we have a few cashiers who would check the sheets for
> info, it is sad when the cashier makes more of an
> effort than the actual animal person.
>
> My point? damn I rambled.... Anyways 6 years later I
> barely make over $8, I am one of the higher payed
> people, I make more than the bookeeper for my store. I
> know for a fact that the assistant store manager
> barely makes more than me as they tried to get me to
> do that, said wasnt worth making a couple more per
> hour to take care of a store, I make more than that at
> my other job as a part time manager for a produce
> dept. They cant afford to pay people who know anything
> about these animals as most people want to e paid for
> what they are worth. I know I am worth more than $8,
> but I use that jobs as gas money to get me back and
> forth to school (biology major, gonna grad at the end
> of the fall semester...woohoo go me!). And even so,
> these jobs hire in a min wage, in ohio it is
> $7...woohoo I will make a 1.25 more than a new hire!
> And as stated, to give your time away for free....well
> most people do not have free time. And also insurance
> comes into play. To voluntee at the zoo, those people
> although not workers are still covered by their health
> insurance for the brief time they were there if
> something happened. At a pet store, you are too much
> of a liability, it is the same with like someone who
> is under 15, its to much effort to have them.
>
> So it is back to the drawing board. I have always been
> a firm believer in never buy your fish where youcan
> buy clothing, but to get rid of fish in walmart would
> doom some people to never get fish as walmart is
> usually the only place out in the middle of nowhere
> that will offer them. All I can say is if you buy
> walmart fish, do yourself a favor and keep a small qt
> tank to be sure you do not introduce anything into
> your tank. Which is a good idea anyways reguardless of
> where you buy from. Thankfully Toledo has alot of
> options for fish places.
>
> *steps down from soap box*.....ooo tide I love tide!
>
> ~Melissa
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25513 From: Melissa Walker Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Randy, I agree about the Pacu's. People do not realize
how large they, and zoo's are full of them already. I
feel that way about te red tailed catfish. Although a
seriously cool and beautiful fish, people seriously
need to think about the fact that they wont be able to
house this fish.

--- theaquariumfish <webwholesaler@...> wrote:

> (a response to a response to a response was trimmed
> out of this post)
>
> I am not going to comment about PETA (unless they
> sell A1 Sauce)
>
> WALMART - the one in Fuquay Varina, NC was out of
> hand to the point
> that I personally called the cops due to the level
> of fish carcasses
> that were in their tanks.
>
> In the evening it is the responsibility of the
> Garden Center cashier
> to service the fish buying customers - that means
> terrible service
> because those cashier's do NOT have the time to tend
> to customer
> needs - nor do most of them have the needed
> knowledge to properly
> answer basic aquaria questions.
>
> I do not know where the rumor that WalMart is going
> out of the fish
> sales came from - but in Holly Springs is a brand
> new super walmart
> that also has tanks.
>
> My BIGGEST complaint about them is their interest in
> selling Pacu's
> (aka Tank Busters)
> They are neat looking tiny fish - that turn into
> HUGE monsters.
> IMO - they do NOT need to be sold to the community
> fish tank owners.
>
> Randy
>
>
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25514 From: James Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Hello,

The local Pet stores in my area are OK. But now I actually buy my fish
online at LiveAquaria.com
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
.10000036&type=4&subid=0> . They are great I like that I could find
the fish I want, not going into a pet store and they might have the
fish. Granted I had to pay $30 for shipping and Handling but I thought
the experience was great I would do it again and I told all my friends
about it.

James <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...>
wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked
out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions that
you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the fish
that were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY
(reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went into
this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I
left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead fish
I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in
local outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of
getting stupid advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I like
to go. The last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my
husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside down. I
didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or I
probably would have given the kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me know.
>
> Helen.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile.
Try it now.
>
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>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25515 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores
This boils back to my main comment that we need to complain to and about the
managers, not the employees, departments or the entire company.

Where are the managers while all of this stealing was going on? My bonus
was based on how my bottom line turned out and I put many of employees in
jail for stealing and I caught lots of them over the years.

I own my own business now but when I use to work in retail management
running a very large grocery store, which was part of a regional chain, I
would constantly get on my co-managers butts about their jobs being
"managing" their employees, not doing all the work themselves. I would
stress to them that they need to constantly be moving around the store
making sure everyone else was doing their jobs. If you stay in the office
or in one area of the store too long, then the rest of the store can turn
chaotic... or as I would say, they would be the only person working in the
store while the other 100+ employees are goofing off, stealing or
who-knows-what?

This is the major problem that I see with many retail outlets, including
Wal-Mart. The managers should be constantly roaming the store making sure
all phases are operating properly... including the fish departments.

The next time I'm in my nearby Wal-Mart, I will make a point of going to the
fish department and if I see bad conditions, I'll promptly go to the
customer service desk, have the manager page and walk them back to the fish
department and ask for and GET an explanation and a promise... otherwise
I'll threaten them with sicking PETA on them. LOL No, I won't call PETA
but I will report the manager on duty to Wal-Mart's HQ and follow up with
future visits to the fish department to make sure things stay running
properly.

You know the old saying about the squeaky wheel gets the grease! It almost
always works in business and even more so in retail since they don't want
you complaining loudly on the front end where the customer service counter
is located. I don't have a problem appearing to be or being an A-Hole when
I deem it necessary. Ask many of my former employees or just ask my
daughter!!! ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of aaron102272
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:24 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores

Hello Melissa,

Thank you for your post. I truly appreciate you sharing your experience. I
am glad to see that there are others that are passionate, not just about
this hobby, but about their beliefs as well. Your story demonstrates how
much you care about doing the right thing. It also illustrates very
accurately from an insiders perspective just how cautious we must be as
consumers ~ "Buyer Beware"

I too took a huge pay cut to work part time at a Big Box pet store after
deciding I could do a better job than the current employees. I had no
specific pet type experience, but I did have more years of work experience
than most of them combined. There was absolutely no training other than the
basics of working the cash register. And sad to say, most of the employees
were only there because it was an easy way to make a fast buck, (read
illegally i.e. fake returns, wholesale shoplifting, helping themselves to
the cash out of the register, etc.. ) They were not even there because it
was just a job, there was no question why the animals suffered. The only
person who seemed to know anything about the Aquatics department was there
just long enough to build his own business of maintaining the fish he was
selling to the stores customers. He helped himself to plenty of "free"
supplies to get started and left, but not before replacing almost all of the
small care cards under each tank with his business cards.

I saw a lot of turn over in a few short months, nobody that was there when I
began was there when I left, I out lasted everyone, all the way up to the
regional management. But it never got any better and the longer I stayed
there the more difficult it became to be there and I to had to leave.

I am glad I did have that store experience at the very beginning. I can't
imagine what might have happened if I had continued blindly taking random
advice from total strangers just because they wore a name tag or owned a
small lfs. The last time I bought any fish from 1 in particular was how I
learned about ich the hard way. I had a beautifully stocked 55 gallon
planted community tank that was getting a little bit of algae. I went to the
place down the street where the owner sold me a standard pleco with cool
looking white spots, neat.
A few weeks later the tank had to be torn down completely and I had to start
all over. That is when I started shopping around and a lfs 30 miles away
educated me on the basics and sold me a 12 gallon aquarium for use as a
Quarantine Tank. That location was not as convenient as the 4 in town or
several others a town away but they had the best customer service I had ever
seen and they were dedicated to educating the customers as priority number
one with the understanding that the money would follow. If the customers all
give up due to bad advice then eventually there won't be any more cash
coming in, but if you can get them more involved then they will be life long
customers and will gladly recommend the store to friends.
Sadly that store flooded twice from bad pipes in the walls or ceiling and
the owner had to close permanently.

Now I know to research first and buy later, it was difficult to give up the
impulse buy.

Thanks again for your post, hopefully there are many other quality pet store
people out there. It seems unfair that we are too easily lumped into a
generalized category with all the others that do not care about the animals
or customers. Perhaps if we see somebody at a big box chain or lfs who
really cares about what they are doing we can take the time to thank them
and let the management know that the person is the only reason we keep
coming back and that they deserve a raise and promotion.
Maybe we can help get the few that do care into a postion to make a
differance and possibly reverse the stereo-typical trend of bad service,
poor care and under training ~ that seems like it would be better than just
shutting them all down. Maybe. I can hope can't I.

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Melissa Walker <playnwifsnot@...>
wrote:
>
> I wanted to add something, I havent read all the posts, just a couple.
> I do work at a pet store (Pet Supplies Plus, in Toledo Ohio). And
> money does lie within. When I was first hired into the company, my
> manager at the time looked at my app and resume and told me, he cant
> afford to pay me what he thought I was worth. I was hired in not as a
> fish person, but as an animal person, mainly for reptiles and small
> animals, but also for the birds. I took a big paycut as I was unhappy
> working at my other job, I wanted out to do something I wold enjoy
> more. So 6 years ago I was making 6 bucks an hour. Whoopie do for a
> person who at the time, had 5 years of reptile care, cant count how
> many years of small animal care, and I was raised on fish care as I
> cant remember a time we didnt have fish (used to raise african
> cichilids, we had wall to wall fishtanks in our garage for breeding).
>
> I soon dug waist deep into bird care, I personally do not like the
> idea of selling an animal I didnt know anything about. So our bird
> lady, yes a bird lady, she has had parrots for over 20 years, breeding
> and caring. I would dig through her brain for info, joined bird
> groups, read as much as possible. I am still this way even today as I
> personally now own 2 parrots. I even have tought the bird lady a few
> things as she didnt know all species, just most of the major ones(I
> taught her alot about eclectus and caique thats what I have). I also
> work for an exotics vets office, I am constantly running ideas about
> care and info through both of our vets.
>
> And then it comes to fish. Fish are like every other animal to me in
> the store, if I dont know things about a species, I will look it up.
> Mainly the brackish water fish. Again I personally do not like to sell
> an animal without knowing the specs on it. I forwarn people about the
> size the fish will get, inform them that they are schoolers and get
> more than 1 or 2 of them (I push for a min of 5, which usually works).
> And for instance last week told a kid who had 2 oscars(about 9" long),
> a 4" convict, 2 8" pacu all in a 55 ggallon tank he seriously needed
> to get a larger tank, or get rid of all but 1 oscar who really would
> prefer to be in a 75 over a 55. I have talked him into giving my store
> the pacu so that we might find them a larger home (usually when we get
> the big fish in, we require the customer to have a certain size tank
> before selling the fish to them). I also told him we would take the
> oscars or the convict also, along with some random cichlids he didnt
> know what it was that beat the crap out of all his other fish so it
> was now condemed to a 20 gallon (9" long fish). Yet alone he does a
> water change once a month on this tank that is way over populated.
> Told him to do it at least once a week with all of those fish, even if
> he decides to keep one oscar due to their size and messiness...ok that
> isnt spelled right).
>
> Now had that been one of the other 3 customer service people would he
> have been told any of that? No. Why?
> They work there because it is a job. The one girl presses me for
> animal info, and if we do get a new strange animal that there is not a
> correct caresheet for(yes I review and make my vets review it also), I
> will hand write a quick cheat sheet as I call it, so they will know
> size, temperment, feeding, tank space needed ect for the anima
> reguardless if its a bird, reptile or fish. What is funny is that only
> the one customer service person besides me gives a hoot, and we have a
> few cashiers who would check the sheets for info, it is sad when the
> cashier makes more of an effort than the actual animal person.
>
> My point? damn I rambled.... Anyways 6 years later I barely make over
> $8, I am one of the higher payed people, I make more than the
> bookeeper for my store. I know for a fact that the assistant store
> manager barely makes more than me as they tried to get me to do that,
> said wasnt worth making a couple more per hour to take care of a
> store, I make more than that at my other job as a part time manager
> for a produce dept. They cant afford to pay people who know anything
> about these animals as most people want to e paid for what they are
> worth. I know I am worth more than $8, but I use that jobs as gas
> money to get me back and forth to school (biology major, gonna grad at
> the end of the fall semester...woohoo go me!). And even so, these jobs
> hire in a min wage, in ohio it is $7...woohoo I will make a 1.25 more
> than a new hire!
> And as stated, to give your time away for free....well most people do
> not have free time. And also insurance comes into play. To voluntee at
> the zoo, those people although not workers are still covered by their
> health insurance for the brief time they were there if something
> happened. At a pet store, you are too much of a liability, it is the
> same with like someone who is under 15, its to much effort to have
> them.
>
> So it is back to the drawing board. I have always been a firm believer
> in never buy your fish where youcan buy clothing, but to get rid of
> fish in walmart would doom some people to never get fish as walmart is
> usually the only place out in the middle of nowhere that will offer
> them. All I can say is if you buy walmart fish, do yourself a favor
> and keep a small qt tank to be sure you do not introduce anything into
> your tank. Which is a good idea anyways reguardless of where you buy
> from. Thankfully Toledo has alot of options for fish places.
>
> *steps down from soap box*.....ooo tide I love tide!
>
> ~Melissa


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25516 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/24/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
Speaking of A-1 Sauce, while looking at some other "truth about PETA" sites,
I saw and liked the billboard on this site...

http://www.peta-sucks.com/ (For this site, PETA stands for Poorly Educated
Teen Activists... lol)

The billboard reads...

"There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes."

LOL

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of theaquariumfish
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:58 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....WalMart??

(a response to a response to a response was trimmed out of this post)

I am not going to comment about PETA (unless they sell A1 Sauce)


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25518 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
I have read so many mixed review on these fish.I had one blue I
inherited with a tank.She was fine until I moved her from a crowded
tank to a smaller tank with less fish.I had to move her back,and she
went crazy.So I moved her to smaller tank,and bought 6 to go with
her.I had read on one of the sites(don't remember which one,now)that
they are happier with a group.Well,she is happy,but three of the new
members are terrors.One is honey colored,two are blue with red fins.I
am afraid I have ended up with fish I can't keep together.They are in
a 30 tall,they are only 2"each,and I was planning to move them to a
planted 55 gallon when I get it cycled.Will this help?Any suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25519 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....WalMart??
LET ME SAY THIS:

I am very ANTI PETA - not because a small part of what they do is
ACTUALLY good ...
It's the BIG PART of their socialist mindset and the errors they have
committed by reacting without enough thought ...
Like the time a bunch of them released "Show Dog's" from their crates
just to have some of them get run over by traffic that they ran out
in.

If they weren't so spastic - even I might consider supporting them to
a point.

but that is them and I am me and I laugh at it for what it is worth!

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of A-1 Sauce, while looking at some other "truth about
PETA" sites,
> I saw and liked the billboard on this site...
>
> http://www.peta-sucks.com/ (For this site, PETA stands for Poorly
Educated
> Teen Activists... lol)
>
> The billboard reads...
>
> "There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to
the
> mashed potatoes."
>
> LOL
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of theaquariumfish
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:58 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....WalMart??
>
> (a response to a response to a response was trimmed out of this
post)
>
> I am not going to comment about PETA (unless they sell A1 Sauce)
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
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> 5:47 PM
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25520 From: Angela Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
I'm guessing here, but a 30 tall does not offer a lot of true swimming space
I have 4 gourami's myself, 2 blues and 2 flames. They like to swim a lot
and they need a tank with a larger footprint to be able to move enough. They
also all seem to have their own "territory". Do to the shape of the 30 tall
this is likely to be harder for them. I would guess they would be a lot more
peaceful once moved.

Angela

-------Original Message-------

From: sheriartist57
Date: 01/25/08 08:11:07
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful

I have read so many mixed review on these fish.I had one blue I
inherited with a tank.She was fine until I moved her from a crowded
tank to a smaller tank with less fish.I had to move her back,and she
went crazy.So I moved her to smaller tank,and bought 6 to go with
her.I had read on one of the sites(don't remember which one,now)that
they are happier with a group.Well,she is happy,but three of the new
members are terrors.One is honey colored,two are blue with red fins.I
am afraid I have ended up with fish I can't keep together.They are in
a 30 tall,they are only 2"each,and I was planning to move them to a
planted 55 gallon when I get it cycled.Will this help?Any suggestions?





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25521 From: Frederic Ouellet Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
I've never had any luck keeping more than one unless bought at the same time. I have only one now and he is happy in a 55 gallon

Cynthia
----- Original Message -----
From: sheriartist57
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful


I have read so many mixed review on these fish.I had one blue I
inherited with a tank.She was fine until I moved her from a crowded
tank to a smaller tank with less fish.I had to move her back,and she
went crazy.So I moved her to smaller tank,and bought 6 to go with
her.I had read on one of the sites(don't remember which one,now)that
they are happier with a group.Well,she is happy,but three of the new
members are terrors.One is honey colored,two are blue with red fins.I
am afraid I have ended up with fish I can't keep together.They are in
a 30 tall,they are only 2"each,and I was planning to move them to a
planted 55 gallon when I get it cycled.Will this help?Any suggestions?





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25522 From: William Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
I am not saying that you should not shop online because I have done
it at times but rather when you shop on line you cannot see the
particular fish that yo want and you are getting which fish that gets
caught by the employee, You might be trying to get some to breed for
you and the employee might give you all of one sex whereas if you can
see them you have some control as to which one(s) you are getting. It
is stressful to ship[fish across the country and I reserve buying
through the mail for only the kinds of fish that I cannot find
locally.
This is a good reason for quarantine tanks to help keep any
diseases from infecting either the existing or new fish.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jim_d72@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> The local Pet stores in my area are OK. But now I actually buy my
fish
> online at LiveAquaria.com
> <http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?
id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
> .10000036&type=4&subid=0> . They are great I like that I could
find
> the fish I want, not going into a pet store and they might have the
> fish. Granted I had to pay $30 for shipping and Handling but I
thought
> the experience was great I would do it again and I told all my
friends
> about it.
>
> James <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>
>
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@>
> wrote:
> >
> > This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever
walked
> out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions
that
> you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the
fish
> that were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY
> (reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went
into
> this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I
> left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead
fish
> I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in
> local outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of
> getting stupid advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I
like
> to go. The last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my
> husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside
down. I
> didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or
I
> probably would have given the kid an earfull.)
> >
> > Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
> understand... although if there is an organization or whatever I can
> call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me
know.
> >
> > Helen.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
Mobile.
> Try it now.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25523 From: Rich Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: New member, stocking question
Hi all,

Just joined up. I'm new to 'participatory fishkeeping', meaning that
we had fish growing up but other than feed and enjoy I didn't get
too involved with the upkeep :) So I'm calling myself a beginner in
most respects.

We have a 12 gallon Eclipse tank with 5 Harlequin Rasboras & 1
Hillstream Loach. The tank is decorated with plastic plants, and a
sunken ship decoration which the loach has claimed for home when
he's not darting about the tank.

I don't know what else to get. I know it would only be one or two
more fish. Another Hillstream or a couple more Rasboras are
definitely possibilities, and especially the rasboras would be safe
bets. But I figured I'd ask. I'd rather understock it than risk
overstocking.

Based on what I've read online, I've decided to not bother with
chemically adjusting my ph (which is around 7.6 out of the tap). My
LFS is literally up the road and uses the same water supply. and the
water is a little on the hard side (though I confess I don't have a
number handy on that one).

Thanks!

Rich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25524 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Any gourami can be quite nasty, with conspecifics or other species. You
need to provide a lot of cover so that they can stake out territories to
call their own. This works particularly well for dwarfs, which it sounds
like you have purchased to go with your blue. The blue will get quite
large, but the dwarfs will be around 2 inches when full grown. You can
use heavy plantings, and/or rockwork, and/or driftwood to provide these
areas.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:10 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful

I have read so many mixed review on these fish.I had one blue I
inherited with a tank.She was fine until I moved her from a crowded
tank to a smaller tank with less fish.I had to move her back,and she
went crazy.So I moved her to smaller tank,and bought 6 to go with
her.I had read on one of the sites(don't remember which one,now)that
they are happier with a group.Well,she is happy,but three of the new
members are terrors.One is honey colored,two are blue with red fins.I
am afraid I have ended up with fish I can't keep together.They are in
a 30 tall,they are only 2"each,and I was planning to move them to a
planted 55 gallon when I get it cycled.Will this help?Any suggestions?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25525 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: New member, stocking question
You are pretty much full up on your stocking for this size tank. Your
harlequins will get to be about 2" and your hillstream loach (not really
a loach) will grow to around 3".

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:43 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New member, stocking question

Hi all,

Just joined up. I'm new to 'participatory fishkeeping', meaning that
we had fish growing up but other than feed and enjoy I didn't get
too involved with the upkeep :) So I'm calling myself a beginner in
most respects.

We have a 12 gallon Eclipse tank with 5 Harlequin Rasboras & 1
Hillstream Loach. The tank is decorated with plastic plants, and a
sunken ship decoration which the loach has claimed for home when
he's not darting about the tank.

I don't know what else to get. I know it would only be one or two
more fish. Another Hillstream or a couple more Rasboras are
definitely possibilities, and especially the rasboras would be safe
bets. But I figured I'd ask. I'd rather understock it than risk
overstocking.

Based on what I've read online, I've decided to not bother with
chemically adjusting my ph (which is around 7.6 out of the tap). My
LFS is literally up the road and uses the same water supply. and the
water is a little on the hard side (though I confess I don't have a
number handy on that one).

Thanks!

Rich
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25526 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
You need to figure out which species of Gourami's that you have. Go to
http://fish.mongabay.com and search for Gourami and look at the various
species pictures until you have all of yours identified. Standard Gourami's
grow to 6" each so your 30G tall tank is actually too small for them. Even
the 55G would be too small for six standard Gourami's.

If they are the dwarf varieties, then you may be OK although labyrinth fish
like Gourami's typically do better in a regular tank with more surface area
since they are upper tank dwellers since they surface breath also.

My personal experience with standard Gourami's is that they do better as
singles or mated pairs but the dwarf species may tolerate groups better.

What are your plans for cycling the 55G? Why not just plant it and move the
filter system from the 30G which would instantly cycle the tank since the
majority of your nitrifying bacteria live in the filter media and any you
lose that are living on the gravel and other surface areas will be
compensated for the extra water volume and the plants. That's what I would
do instead of keeping the fish cramped in the 30G.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:10 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful

I have read so many mixed review on these fish.I had one blue I inherited
with a tank.She was fine until I moved her from a crowded tank to a smaller
tank with less fish.I had to move her back,and she went crazy.So I moved her
to smaller tank,and bought 6 to go with her.I had read on one of the
sites(don't remember which one,now)that they are happier with a
group.Well,she is happy,but three of the new members are terrors.One is
honey colored,two are blue with red fins.I am afraid I have ended up with
fish I can't keep together.They are in a 30 tall,they are only 2"each,and I
was planning to move them to a planted 55 gallon when I get it cycled.Will
this help?Any suggestions?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25527 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: New member, stocking question
Your tank is undersized for the hillstream loach and most of them also
prefer a fast moving stream so people set up their tanks with powerheads or
over filtration to simulate a stream. There are many species of hillstream
loaches so you need to figure out which species you have to learn more about
it's needs. Here's a really good article about them.
http://www.loaches.com/articles/hillstream-loaches-the-specialists-at-life-i
n-the-fast-lane

For a 12G tank, you could look over Hailey's 10G stocking list on my blog to
get a better idea of which fish would be suitable for your tank and
suggested stocking levels. Just go to my blog link in my sig and on the
right side, you will see a link to "10G stocking list".

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Rich
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:43 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New member, stocking question

Hi all,

Just joined up. I'm new to 'participatory fishkeeping', meaning that we had
fish growing up but other than feed and enjoy I didn't get too involved with
the upkeep :) So I'm calling myself a beginner in most respects.

We have a 12 gallon Eclipse tank with 5 Harlequin Rasboras & 1 Hillstream
Loach. The tank is decorated with plastic plants, and a sunken ship
decoration which the loach has claimed for home when he's not darting about
the tank.

I don't know what else to get. I know it would only be one or two more fish.
Another Hillstream or a couple more Rasboras are definitely possibilities,
and especially the rasboras would be safe bets. But I figured I'd ask. I'd
rather understock it than risk overstocking.

Based on what I've read online, I've decided to not bother with chemically
adjusting my ph (which is around 7.6 out of the tap). My LFS is literally up
the road and uses the same water supply. and the water is a little on the
hard side (though I confess I don't have a number handy on that one).

Thanks!

Rich



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8:32 PM
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25528 From: Amy Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Re: wallmart vs petco
Ok just now getting to sift through my email and stumbled across this.
Does it really matter the store? What matters is how the fish are kept
right? I read the post about an actual fish store being crappy and
thought that 2 in my town were both great thank goodness. Now the
PetCo's in my town are absolutly horrible and I would never buy a fish
from them. My Petsmart is great and I usually get my regular fish
there if not ordered from the fish store guy. I do have to defend my
WalMart. We have 5 in my town and 3 of them keep their fish very
well. I actually have purchased a lot of fish there that I of course
had little hope for. I alwasy think that teh fish wont make it because
I got it at WalMart, but I'll be damned if those fish I have gotten
there actually do better than soem of my fish store fish. I have a 3
yr old Green Spotted Puffer and a 1 yr old Figure Eight Puffer who were
both purchased at WalMart. As far as I am concerned the WalMart has
every right to sell fish as long as they hire someone who knows how to
care for them and they obey all the state laws and regulations in
regards to selling and keeping fish.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25529 From: Amy Date: 1/25/2008
Subject: Labelled My Pics
Finally got around to it and sorry it took so long. The new pics that
are listed are mine and I just got done labelling all of them so you
guys know who is who.
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25531 From: Lynn Francis Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Gourami- Mine are definitely not peaceful
Over the years I've learned to ignore the books when they say gouramis are
peaceful. I've had a few blues and golds over the years and they were
alright with other types of fish, but they didn't tolerate their own kind at
all. Actually, the Golds did seem a little tamer. I think the most
peaceful I ever had were pearl gouramis. I never see them in stores any
more though.

A few months ago I broke down and bought a single male dwarf gourami. Even
in a planted 4ft long 90 gallon tank, he terrorized everything in the tank
to the point of actually killing a very small bala. I now have him alone in
a 10gal just wondering what I'm going to do with him. He's too mean to go
back with my other fish and I don't really like having him in a 10 as the
only tenant.

But to answer your original post, I would say they are only suited to a long
tank with pleanty of hiding places. Unless he's like mine. ;-)

I read somewhere else that someone had a mean dwarf until they let him
breed. I thought I would try that, but my trouble is none of the stores
around here ever seem to have females. That's actually another interesting
topic. I had read that over in XYZ where most of them are raised, they add
hormones to the water so they all turn male and get the brighter colors.
That particular article was saying how the "new" dwarfs were actually meaner
than years past because of this. I've read several places about the farms
using the hormones so I believe that. Not sure about that being why they
seem so mean now days. Just found it interesting.

Don't suppose anyone has an extra female dwarf gourami laying around they
could send me. LOL

Lynn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25532 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
_dreamaker2623@..._ (mailto:dreamaker2623@...) wrote :"It is
stressful to ship across the country and reserve buying through the mail for
those kinds of fish I cannot find locally"

Most pet shop fish are sent across the country to the pet stores or even
across the ocean from the many fish farms outside the county. Very few if any
are bred close to the pet shop. There are good experiences in both sides. I
have a LFS that has good freshwater fish. But they don't carrry what I am
looking for. They don't have many of the Anabantoids that I am intersed like
Species bettas and freshwater shrimp. I believe that shipping across the country
is easily handled by most fish if the person sending them is experienced in
doing so.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25533 From: iowakoi Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: New member introduction
Thanks for the welcome. I found your group by searching the yahoo
groups. I am a active member of many forums. I find that the best way to
learn about the hobby is by working closely with other ponders. I post
tons of great articles and links on http://www.richdeer3pondsupplies.com
<http://www.richdeer3pondsupplies.com> . If you know of any great links
please let me know.

I do indeed sell koi and live plants in season and a full line of pond
supplies year round. I am always adding new products to the website.
Even if you don't see it listed I can get almost anything if you call or
email me. I also give a 10% discount for forum members that order by
email or phone. I don't list that discount on the site because I prefer
to deal directly with serious ponders.

I have a smaller lots so my dream large pond isn't possible. So I just
keep adding small ponds each year. It does limit me to fancies instead
of koi. I love having a 140 gallon stock tank pond in the living room
over the winter. It's too cold for fancies in the Iowa weather. I can't
wait for Spring. I have over 200 varieties of flowers in 18 raised
beds.

I am the newsletter editor for the Central Iowa Water Garden Assocation
and a member of the Eastern Iowa Pond Society.

Waiting for Spring, Gail




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25534 From: o1bigtenor Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
On Jan 24, 2008 6:44 PM, James <jim_d72@...> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The local Pet stores in my area are OK. But now I actually buy my fish
> online at LiveAquaria.com
> <http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952\
> .10000036&type=4&subid=0<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952%5C.10000036&type=4&subid=0>>
> . They are great I like that I could find
> the fish I want, not going into a pet store and they might have the
> fish. Granted I had to pay $30 for shipping and Handling but I thought
> the experience was great I would do it again and I told all my friends
> about it.
>
> James <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com>


Your link does not seem to work - suggestions?

Darald


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25535 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Darald and Jim_d72,

You can just go to http://www.LiveAquaria.com or their sister site,
http://DrsFosterSmith.com , which is where they sell most of their hardware
and supplies.

The link Jim_d72 posted was his affiliate link but those types of affiliate
links are usually too long for yahoo group postings so they get broken up
and do not work. Or you could copy/paste the long link into your web
browser address bar and fix any breaks to make it work if you want to make
sure he gets credit for any purchases you make.

That's a huge problem with websites that offer an affiliate program but then
they give you a link that is a mile long and doesn't work for many people.
The only affiliate program I belong to is a free online backup service
through Mozy.com and at least they give me a little short affiliate link
which I include in the signature of my posts to groups where it is
applicable but since I'm explaining all of this to you, I might as well plug
my Mozy link. LOL I get an extra 250MB of online storage for each person
that signs up for the free Mozy Backup service.

FREE and automatic online secure remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.

I don't know why LiveAquaria.com doesn't just have a simple referral link.
They are a very good company to deal with but their affiliate program needs
some work.

For Jim_d72, I would suggest getting a TinyURL link from
http://www.TinyURL.com and use the preview link they'll give you. Then when
you advise someone to go to LiveAquaria.com, post your TinyURL link and
explain to them that if they click through your affiliate link, you will get
some credit for any purchases they make.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of o1bigtenor
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 2:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

On Jan 24, 2008 6:44 PM, James <jim_d72@...
<mailto:jim_d72%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The local Pet stores in my area are OK. But now I actually buy my fish
> online at LiveAquaria.com
> <http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=1169
> 52\
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952> >
.10000036&type=4&subid=0<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpO
fmt7o&offerid=116952%5C.10000036&type=4&subid=0
<http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=ZRTEpOfmt7o&offerid=116952%5C.
10000036&type=4&subid=0> >>
> . They are great I like that I could find the fish I want, not going
> into a pet store and they might have the fish. Granted I had to pay
> $30 for shipping and Handling but I thought the experience was great I
> would do it again and I told all my friends about it.
>
> James <http://www.yourfishtankguru.com
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25536 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
On Saturday I visited the LFS. Upon entering the Owner and his Employees were all over me. Where Had I Been? How come they haven't seen me in the last few weeks? How was my tank doing? Had I purchased any fish recently? When I told them that I had purchased some fish, they wanted to know why I hadn't given them a chance. I told them that they didn't seem to be interested in my needs. They said I had read them all wrong. Would I Please give them another chance?

At this point they asked me if I wanted any more fish. I said that I would like 5-6 "Saulosi". They told me that they would be placing an order on Monday and they would order the fish I wanted. They asked for my Phone Number and said that they would call me on monday to confirm the order had been placed. I told them they were closed on Monday, they said it didn't make any difference, they would be doing maintenance and would place the order. They said they were happy I decided to give them another chance, that this time I could count on them.

Well Monday came, no phone call. Tuesday no phone call, Wednesday no phone call.

Can I say any more. They will never see me again. Now I know it was not me, it was them.


I have gone out of my way to try to establish a good relationship with 2 local LFS's and have found that you either stock your tank with what they want to sell or you have to find an alternative.

Recently I tried to explain to my wife why I was willing to spend all most double for some equipment in a local store, when I could go on line and get it much less expensive. The reason I said "Was to establish a relationship, so when I either purchased some equipment, food, additives,etc in an emergency or purchased stock, there was a place to turn to".

Well, over the last couple of weeks the local LFS's have shot holes in my theory. I gave both stores a list of fish I wanted to stock my tank with.
now this was nothing exotic, just run of the mill Malawi, mbuna. However it was a group I put together to add color and were compatible with each other. Both stores have failed to get me a price, one has failed to even try, giving me a different excuse each time. The other informed me today very abruptly that they couln't get them. They were not even nice about, in fact they were rude.

I have learned that from now on it is strictly the INTERNET for me. I will make sure I keep my supplies up to date and have no intention of even going into those stores again.

For the record here is the list:
5 Pseudotropheus saulosi 2m-3f
5 Labidochromis caeruleus "Yellow Lab" 2m-3f
5 Iodotropheus sprengerae "Rusty" 2m-3f
5 Cynotilapia afra 2m-3f

What happened to Customer Service have we all turned that cold in our daily dealings

I posted this on another Board some time back. Since that time both stores have declared Bankruptcy, I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!

John in Nevada


joesbirds@... wrote:
_dreamaker2623@..._ (mailto:dreamaker2623@...) wrote :"It is
stressful to ship across the country and reserve buying through the mail for
those kinds of fish I cannot find locally"

Most pet shop fish are sent across the country to the pet stores or even
across the ocean from the many fish farms outside the county. Very few if any
are bred close to the pet shop. There are good experiences in both sides. I
have a LFS that has good freshwater fish. But they don't carrry what I am
looking for. They don't have many of the Anabantoids that I am intersed like
Species bettas and freshwater shrimp. I believe that shipping across the country
is easily handled by most fish if the person sending them is experienced in
doing so.



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25537 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
I buy my fish at saltwater.com, processing fee is cheap, they have weekly deals, and have a frequent order program







----- Original Message ----
From: James <jim_d72@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:44:54 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

Hello,

The local Pet stores in my area are OK. But now I actually buy my fish
online at LiveAquaria. com
<http://click. linksynergy. com/fs-bin/ click?id= ZRTEpOfmt7o& offerid=116952\
.10000036&type= 4&subid=0> . They are great I like that I could find
the fish I want, not going into a pet store and they might have the
fish. Granted I had to pay $30 for shipping and Handling but I thought
the experience was great I would do it again and I told all my friends
about it.

James <http://www.yourfish tankguru. com>

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wrote:
>
> This isn't really related to anything, but... has anyone ever walked
out of an aquarium store and felt so grossed out by the conditions that
you wanted a shower... ? I don't know who I felt sorrier for the fish
that were living or the ones that were dead.... is there ANY
(reasonable) recourse? I'm not a crusader or anything, but I went into
this place yesterday and really just wanted to take a shower when I
left, just walking around made me feel yucky. The occasional dead fish
I guess is part of the trade but... blegh. (I'm loosing my faith in
local outlets; I went looking for a new shop because I was tired of
getting stupid advice from the kid at the other place I (though) I like
to go. The last straw was when the kid behind the counter told my
husband how perfectly normal it was for goldfish to swim upside down. I
didn't hear it personally, hubby told me about it after we left, or I
probably would have given the kid an earfull.)
>
> Thanks for listening, I guess mostly I needed somebody who'd
understand.. . although if there is an organization or whatever I can
call to report a hideously poorly maintained store, please let me know.
>
> Helen.
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25538 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Hi John,



That is too bad, sorry to hear that they let you down like that.



In the last couple years I have had a new perspective to my fish keeping. I am lucky enough to be one of the people that picks up fish at our local wholesaler for two of the Aquarium societies that I belong to. What I have discovered is that things are not always readily available and many different factors play into the availability of fish for stores and consumers.



This last Xmas season the wholesaler had a difficult time getting any fish in stock unless it was from local breeders that brought them fish. The xmas shipping of electronics and other holiday items almost put fish shipping completely on hold. As the electronics shippers were willing to pay higher rates for shipping, the fish did not have much chance of being shipped in a timely manner without endangering them. So getting fish cross country from fish farms or overseas fish farms was very difficult.

A few years ago I wanted a badis badis from my LFS. They said they would order one for me and it took them three weeks to get one in for me. I did not like the wait but was glad to get the fish. Now that I go to the same wholesaler that supplies them I see that sometimes they don't have them and other fish on a regular basis especially if a species is wild caught.

Picking and choosing on the Internet does have advantages. If one site does not have the buffalo heads that I want I can look around and find one that does. My LFS may not stock them as they do not know if there is an interest in them. As we decrease our interest in an LFS stocking a wider variety of fish they have to stick to their bread and butter varieties to keep the entry level aquarist satisfied. Because the bread and butter species sell. A friend of mine recently bought Betta Macrostoma, a fish she has wanted since she was 7 years old but could never find in a store. Well a local store took a risk and bought them and my friend saw them and forked out hundreds to get them. Well worth it to her as the fish were healthy and in two days produced eggs.

The wholesaler I go to is frustrated and really wants to make more rare fish available to the fish stores he supplies but they do not order the rarer stuff because they do not want to risk putting a fish in a tank if it is just going to sit on the shelf with no one buying it.

I like the best of both worlds, a well stocked educated LFS and the Internet. I know it is not always possible though. I give my local LFS as much business as possible and buy from local breeders as well. I also use the Internet for harder to find items that I cannot get locally.

The LFS that I bought the Badis badis from happens to have excellent customer service and is where I got my start in fish keeping. I bought an entry level tank with kit and worked my way up from there. As many people find out sometimes the entry level kits do not have the best items in them. When my heater broke the LFS traded me out a new one without hesitation. I could barely finish explaining it to them before they walked me back to the heaters and handed me a new one. THey have spent countless hours explaining fish keeping to me and now I try and repay them by not only continuing to shop there but referring people to them.

There is another LFS across town that lost my business almost immediately but has remained in business for years. He led me to believe that the canister filter I purchased had the media included in the box. Well he did not offer to buy back the filter or sell me the filter media at a discount. Full price, but I learned something valuable, I could never trust him and that he would not get my business. I don't bad mouth his store but I never refer people to him either.

-Mike

What happened to Customer Service have we all turned that cold in our daily dealings

I posted this on another Board some time back. Since that time both stores have declared Bankruptcy, I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!

John in Nevada



-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN KD7POE <dumont53@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....






On Saturday I visited the LFS. Upon entering the Owner and his Employees were all over me. Where Had I Been? How come they haven't seen me in the last few weeks? How was my tank doing? Had I purchased any fish recently? When I told them that I had purchased some fish, they wanted to know why I hadn't given them a chance. I told them that they didn't seem to be interested in my needs. They said I had read them all wrong. Would I Please give them another chance?

At this point they asked me if I wanted any more fish. I said that I would like 5-6 "Saulosi". They told me that they would be placing an order on Monday and they would order the fish I wanted. They asked for my Phone Number and said that they would call me on monday to confirm the order had been placed. I told them they were closed on Monday, they said it didn't make any difference, they would be doing maintenance and would place the order. They said they were happy I decided to give them another chance, that this time I could count on them.

Well Monday came, no phone call. Tuesday no phone call, Wednesday no phone call.

Can I say any more. They will never see me again. Now I know it was not me, it was them.

I have gone out of my way to try to establish a good relationship with 2 local LFS's and have found that you either stock your tank with what they want to sell or you have to find an alternative.

Recently I tried to explain to my wife why I was willing to spend all most double for some equipment in a local store, when I could go on line and get it much less expensive. The reason I said "Was to establish a relationship, so when I either purchased some equipment, food, additives,etc in an emergency or purchased stock, there was a place to turn to".

Well, over the last couple of weeks the local LFS's have shot holes in my theory. I gave both stores a list of fish I wanted to stock my tank with.
now this was nothing exotic, just run of the mill Malawi, mbuna. However it was a group I put together to add color and were compatible with each other. Both stores have failed to get me a price, one has failed to even try, giving me a different excuse each time. The other informed me today very abruptly that they couln't get them. They were not even nice about, in fact they were rude.

I have learned that from now on it is strictly the INTERNET for me. I will make sure I keep my supplies up to date and have no intention of even going into those stores again.

For the record here is the list:
5 Pseudotropheus saulosi 2m-3f
5 Labidochromis caeruleus "Yellow Lab" 2m-3f
5 Iodotropheus sprengerae "Rusty" 2m-3f
5 Cynotilapia afra 2m-3f

What happened to Customer Service have we all turned that cold in our daily dealings

I posted this on another Board some time back. Since that time both stores have declared Bankruptcy, I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!

John in Nevada


joesbirds@... wrote:
_dreamaker2623@..._ (mailto:dreamaker2623@...) wrote :"It is
stressful to ship across the country and reserve buying through the mail for
those kinds of fish I cannot find locally"

Most pet shop fish are sent across the country to the pet stores or even
across the ocean from the many fish farms outside the county. Very few if any
are bred close to the pet shop. There are good experiences in both sides. I
have a LFS that has good freshwater fish. But they don't carrry what I am
looking for. They don't have many of the Anabantoids that I am intersed like
Species bettas and freshwater shrimp. I believe that shipping across the country
is easily handled by most fish if the person sending them is experienced in
doing so.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25539 From: JOHN KD7POE Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Hi Mike

Let me clarify a feww points.

First, this all happenned a few years ago. I only gave you a short version of all that took place. One of these dealers I helped when he was setting up his business. I realized he was in business to make money and told him that I would pay him for his trouble. He promised to get me my fish on several occassions and failed each time.

Second, all it took was a little communication. If he told me he had trouble getting the fish I would have understood. However, he didn't even have the decency to call me.

Third, I was reluctant to order fish on the internet, but found it to be the most pleasent experience in a long time, and they protected those fish so well I couldn't believe all the trouble they went to. They triple bagged them, the first 2 with air and the third without. Then they put them in a Styrofoam Container, but spread them out and put air bags between each bag. Oh yes they put each fish in a seperate bag. Then they shipped from Penn to my house in Nevada Overnight. I would, without a doubt do this again. All together I had 18 fish delivered.

Fourth. the quality and condition of fish was far superior to any I have ever purchased locally. 3 years later they are all still alive and have bred several times.

John in Nevada
Deenerz@... wrote:

Hi John,

That is too bad, sorry to hear that they let you down like that.

In the last couple years I have had a new perspective to my fish keeping. I am lucky enough to be one of the people that picks up fish at our local wholesaler for two of the Aquarium societies that I belong to. What I have discovered is that things are not always readily available and many different factors play into the availability of fish for stores and consumers.

This last Xmas season the wholesaler had a difficult time getting any fish in stock unless it was from local breeders that brought them fish. The xmas shipping of electronics and other holiday items almost put fish shipping completely on hold. As the electronics shippers were willing to pay higher rates for shipping, the fish did not have much chance of being shipped in a timely manner without endangering them. So getting fish cross country from fish farms or overseas fish farms was very difficult.

A few years ago I wanted a badis badis from my LFS. They said they would order one for me and it took them three weeks to get one in for me. I did not like the wait but was glad to get the fish. Now that I go to the same wholesaler that supplies them I see that sometimes they don't have them and other fish on a regular basis especially if a species is wild caught.

Picking and choosing on the Internet does have advantages. If one site does not have the buffalo heads that I want I can look around and find one that does. My LFS may not stock them as they do not know if there is an interest in them. As we decrease our interest in an LFS stocking a wider variety of fish they have to stick to their bread and butter varieties to keep the entry level aquarist satisfied. Because the bread and butter species sell. A friend of mine recently bought Betta Macrostoma, a fish she has wanted since she was 7 years old but could never find in a store. Well a local store took a risk and bought them and my friend saw them and forked out hundreds to get them. Well worth it to her as the fish were healthy and in two days produced eggs.

The wholesaler I go to is frustrated and really wants to make more rare fish available to the fish stores he supplies but they do not order the rarer stuff because they do not want to risk putting a fish in a tank if it is just going to sit on the shelf with no one buying it.

I like the best of both worlds, a well stocked educated LFS and the Internet. I know it is not always possible though. I give my local LFS as much business as possible and buy from local breeders as well. I also use the Internet for harder to find items that I cannot get locally.

The LFS that I bought the Badis badis from happens to have excellent customer service and is where I got my start in fish keeping. I bought an entry level tank with kit and worked my way up from there. As many people find out sometimes the entry level kits do not have the best items in them. When my heater broke the LFS traded me out a new one without hesitation. I could barely finish explaining it to them before they walked me back to the heaters and handed me a new one. THey have spent countless hours explaining fish keeping to me and now I try and repay them by not only continuing to shop there but referring people to them.

There is another LFS across town that lost my business almost immediately but has remained in business for years. He led me to believe that the canister filter I purchased had the media included in the box. Well he did not offer to buy back the filter or sell me the filter media at a discount. Full price, but I learned something valuable, I could never trust him and that he would not get my business. I don't bad mouth his store but I never refer people to him either.

-Mike

What happened to Customer Service have we all turned that cold in our daily dealings

I posted this on another Board some time back. Since that time both stores have declared Bankruptcy, I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!

John in Nevada

-----Original Message-----
From: JOHN KD7POE <dumont53@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

On Saturday I visited the LFS. Upon entering the Owner and his Employees were all over me. Where Had I Been? How come they haven't seen me in the last few weeks? How was my tank doing? Had I purchased any fish recently? When I told them that I had purchased some fish, they wanted to know why I hadn't given them a chance. I told them that they didn't seem to be interested in my needs. They said I had read them all wrong. Would I Please give them another chance?

At this point they asked me if I wanted any more fish. I said that I would like 5-6 "Saulosi". They told me that they would be placing an order on Monday and they would order the fish I wanted. They asked for my Phone Number and said that they would call me on monday to confirm the order had been placed. I told them they were closed on Monday, they said it didn't make any difference, they would be doing maintenance and would place the order. They said they were happy I decided to give them another chance, that this time I could count on them.

Well Monday came, no phone call. Tuesday no phone call, Wednesday no phone call.

Can I say any more. They will never see me again. Now I know it was not me, it was them.

I have gone out of my way to try to establish a good relationship with 2 local LFS's and have found that you either stock your tank with what they want to sell or you have to find an alternative.

Recently I tried to explain to my wife why I was willing to spend all most double for some equipment in a local store, when I could go on line and get it much less expensive. The reason I said "Was to establish a relationship, so when I either purchased some equipment, food, additives,etc in an emergency or purchased stock, there was a place to turn to".

Well, over the last couple of weeks the local LFS's have shot holes in my theory. I gave both stores a list of fish I wanted to stock my tank with.
now this was nothing exotic, just run of the mill Malawi, mbuna. However it was a group I put together to add color and were compatible with each other. Both stores have failed to get me a price, one has failed to even try, giving me a different excuse each time. The other informed me today very abruptly that they couln't get them. They were not even nice about, in fact they were rude.

I have learned that from now on it is strictly the INTERNET for me. I will make sure I keep my supplies up to date and have no intention of even going into those stores again.

For the record here is the list:
5 Pseudotropheus saulosi 2m-3f
5 Labidochromis caeruleus "Yellow Lab" 2m-3f
5 Iodotropheus sprengerae "Rusty" 2m-3f
5 Cynotilapia afra 2m-3f

What happened to Customer Service have we all turned that cold in our daily dealings

I posted this on another Board some time back. Since that time both stores have declared Bankruptcy, I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!

John in Nevada

joesbirds@... wrote:
_dreamaker2623@..._ (mailto:dreamaker2623@...) wrote :"It is
stressful to ship across the country and reserve buying through the mail for
those kinds of fish I cannot find locally"

Most pet shop fish are sent across the country to the pet stores or even
across the ocean from the many fish farms outside the county. Very few if any
are bred close to the pet shop. There are good experiences in both sides. I
have a LFS that has good freshwater fish. But they don't carrry what I am
looking for. They don't have many of the Anabantoids that I am intersed like
Species bettas and freshwater shrimp. I believe that shipping across the country
is easily handled by most fish if the person sending them is experienced in
doing so.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25540 From: o1bigtenor Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
On Jan 26, 2008 4:37 PM, marsha wilburn <alien8mipussy@...> wrote:

> I buy my fish at saltwater.com, processing fee is cheap, they have weekly
> deals, and have a frequent order program


Not sure but when I went to the site it is a link page and there seems to be
absolutely NOTHING about fish on it!

D


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25541 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/26/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Yeah, it looks like Saltwater.com is just a parked domain name for now.
Maybe they meant http://www.Saltwaterfish.com which does sell fish, etc.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of o1bigtenor
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

On Jan 26, 2008 4:37 PM, marsha wilburn <alien8mipussy@...
<mailto:alien8mipussy%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> I buy my fish at saltwater.com, processing fee is cheap, they have
> weekly deals, and have a frequent order program

Not sure but when I went to the site it is a link page and there seems to be
absolutely NOTHING about fish on it!

D

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25542 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
water levels.
And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who is
10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but I
wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
filtration.
Thanks,Sheri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25543 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
What is the length and width of the tank? When you say inkfin cichlids, do
you mean Altolamprologus Calvus Inkfin? If so I have some suggestions on
that tank.



No suggestions on the oscar though, maybe Ray will chime in.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:03 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with 60 gal tall,stocking



Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
water levels.
And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who is
10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but I
wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
filtration.
Thanks,Sheri





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25544 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Huh?? http://www.saltwater.com/?

it looks like a link list ...

I am about to set up my first saltwater tank
(this will put over 600 gallons in my livingroom)
and always looking for the odd and unusual livestock.

Thankfully - there are a lot of SW LFS's here in NC!

Take care!
Randy

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--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, marsha wilburn
<alien8mipussy@...> wrote:
>
> I buy my fish at saltwater.com, processing fee is cheap, they have
weekly deals, and have a frequent order program
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25545 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
As a very broad generalization, customer "service" is becoming a thing of the past (this goes for most businesses, it seems.) There are a few places that still put value on their customer relations, but saddly many do not... I have no idea why, especially in this market (I'm in Michigan and you want to talk about a bad economy....) No one has a lot of money to spend and most people would rather spend their money in a place that seems to value them as a customer (presumably that even goes for those rude store clerks we keep running into but - somehow the message just doesn't get through.) I don't know what's with this decline, but a few too many years in various service industries (restaurant and now library) have made me accutely aware of the decline in customer service.

I have finally just gone back to the first fish ship I went to, just because it was close; they're clean, friendly and knowledgable, so when it comes to routine things (food, filter media, etc.) I'll buy from them. Unfortunately, they don't tend to have a huge inventory of fishes or plants and I'm pretty specific about what I want, so for those things, I prefer to order via the internet because you cand find whatever you want, whenever you want and buy it at three o'clock in the morning wearing a bathrobe and fuzzy slippers. For me it's a matter of convenience -- all I have to do is line up my delivery of live orders for a day that I have off, or arrange to pick it up myself from Fed Ex -- something that one of the online dealers I've been dealing with actually suggested as an option. I'm not picking up my plant order -- too huge -- but when I start stocking the tank w/ fish, I may consider seeing about picking them up myself. It's probably no less traumatic for the
little guys, but it'll make me feel better. :)

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25546 From: John Hawley Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: University of Minnesota KHV Testing & Carp Control Research
A koi hobbyist recently pointed out at Koishack online forum that the
University of Minnesota, ",…will soon be bringing online, through
their vet testing lab, tests for KHV and bacterial sensitivity
testing. Will be nice having a testing facility located locally. As
soon as I have more details, I'll update this thread. Actually they
are taking test samples now, but their online form hasn't be modified
with clear details on the specific testing and how to submit samples.
That will be forthcoming very soon. The Univ is nationally known for
their work on many animals including equine, but now are branching out
into fisheries. The head of the dept happens to be Koi Kichi which
only helps the cause."

Who knows if the poster was referring to the head of UM's Veterinary
Diagnostic Laboratory Dr. James Collins, an expert on swine, but
another scientist at UM Dr. Peter Sorenson
(http://fwcb.cfans.umn.edu/personnel/faculty/sorensen.php)
has taken a strong interest in carp control using pheromones. Sorenson
is also working with Australia's CSIRO that is considering using KHV
as a carp control measure.

As this University begins testing for KHV it will be interesting to
see what parsing of information and conclusions Sorenson might make
relative to KHV as a biologic control in association with his network
of associates such as Dr Mark Crane who is leading the charge to
release KHV into the natural environment at CSIRO in Australia.

www.KoiCluboftheAir.org
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25547 From: marsha wilburn Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
sorry about that, it is saltwaterfish.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:26:44 PM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

Yeah, it looks like Saltwater.com is just a parked domain name for now.
Maybe they meant http://www.Saltwaterfish.com which does sell fish, etc.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of o1bigtenor
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: fish stores....

On Jan 26, 2008 4:37 PM, marsha wilburn <alien8mipussy@...
<mailto:alien8mipussy%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> I buy my fish at saltwater.com, processing fee is cheap, they have
> weekly deals, and have a frequent order program

Not sure but when I went to the site it is a link page and there seems to be
absolutely NOTHING about fish on it!

D

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25548 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Hi Sheri, As for your 60 gallon tall tank, since you state "It WILL
BE a freshwater, or brackish water" aquarium, by this I must presume
that it does not yet stock Angels or Discus which you mention. It's
most probable that the "black inkfin cichlids" you have coming are in
fact Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin (a Tanganyika Cichlid) as Donna
proposes. This would preclude the tank from being a brackish water
set up in the sense that we recognize as being that type of
environment. These expected fish also preclude having Angels or
Discus in this same tank since their requirements are different.

I am a bit astounded though, that before ordering these fish that
unless I'm misunderstanding you, you have not taken the time to
reference the type of environment these fish require, or the types of
compatable tankmates for them, but then that's what we're here for
(or are you merely looking for suggestions other than what you
already have in mind, and knowing this will be a high pH freshwater
tank?). For Lake Tanganyika fish, a PH of at least 8.2 (up to pH
9.0) should be maintained, depending on the other tankmates.
Tanganyika and/or Malawi salts can be added to the water. A
substrate of crushed coral should be used to help maintain the
required parameters..

Additionally, and while this may be controversial, I'd recommend the
addition of marine salt mix which will help elevate the pH as well as
add some carbonate hardness, increase the TDS (total dissolved
solids) and introduce some trace elements to the water, all
beneficial for these types of fish. Recommended amounts of marine
salts to be used in Rift Lake aquariums vary considerably, from 1 tsp
per 10 or 11 gallons to 2 tsp per gallon, with some aquarists going
with 1 Tbs per 10 gallons. Although the actual amount to be used (if
you so choose to do) will also depend on whether you're already using
one of the commercial "Lake salts," surely they will do just fine
with the addition of 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (2/3 tsp per gallon).

As for stocking recommendations, this partially depends on the
dimensions of the tank, as Donna asks, although it's clear that its
tall rather than long. While regular 60 gallon tanks may be 48" x
15" x 18" high, the only Tall 60 that I'm aware of is the 60 gallon
Hex (27" x 24" x 29" high, besides a 65 gallon Tall (36" x 18" x 25"
high). With stocking such a tank, different strata must be kept in
mind to best take advantage of its shape, while keeping in mind its
footprint does not allow for much substrate area (read, territory),
nor surface area when figuring fish capacity.

For starters, I'd recommend a good portion (at least 1/3) of the tank
bottom having piled rockwork where the A. calvus Inkfins will hang
out, with the rest of the bottom being the plain exposed crushed
coral (or a mix of that and sand), without rocks. For tankmates,
although this tall type of tank does not allow for a lot of
longitudinal swimming space, I could recommend some Blue Flash
Cichlids (Cyprochromis leptosoma) which will swim mid tank in open
water. These can be augmented with either Malawi Peacocks
(Aulonocara) or Blue Dolphins (Cyrtocara moorii) also coming from
that lake and preferring the sandy portion. None of these Cichlids
are necessarily aggressive, but would dictate a mutual compromise of
the pH level to 8.4ish, in which all species will thrive.

At a year old, your Oscar is not yet full grown yet. His 55 gallon
tank is not much larger that he will require by himself when full
grown (he can get to an average size of 14"). At this point, I would
not add another Oscar to his tank, but you might consider one of the
more ornamental Plecos (which also don't get as large as the common
species). That will max it out when he attains full size, at which
point you'll need to be diligent with your water changes, unless you
want to graduate him to a 75 or 90. Some of those very different and
attractive Plecos can go for some big bucks though, but they make a
nice addition. Best of luck, Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> What is the length and width of the tank? When you say inkfin
cichlids, do
> you mean Altolamprologus Calvus Inkfin? If so I have some
suggestions on
> that tank.
>
>
>
> No suggestions on the oscar though, maybe Ray will chime in.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sheriartist57
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:03 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
>
>
>
> Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> water levels.
> And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who
is
> 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but
I
> wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> filtration.
> Thanks,Sheri
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25549 From: Anndrea Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Ok, here goes...my uncle gave my mom his hexagon aquarium to my mom
months ago (empty, drained, dry, dirty, with supplies like filter,
air pump, heater etc.). She never set it up, and when I moved down
here, she said I could set it up. I had fish as a kid (a goldfish
from a school carnival that lasted about five years and ate my neon
tetras and fought with my pleco), like a ten gallon tank, I think it
was. I think this hex is 10 gallons, also.

Anyway, I set it all up Thursday night. Gravel, water, filter,
heater, and air hose/pump. A fake plant, and a little fake mountain
thing (which I plugged the air hose into so bubbles would
occasionally come out the top of it). I waited until Saturday
afternoon to go to Walmart for fish (thinking the tank was ready)
and the guy there got me to buy something that has beneficial
bacteria in it, told me to squirt it in there, and wait a day or two
before coming back to get any fish. I was pretty disappointed, as I
had thought I would be brining home a fish. He said I could get a
female betta and put her in there right away because they
are "hardy" (or is it "hearty"?) fish and she would survive. He said
a female won't attack the other kinds of fish I want to put in there
(a couple glass/ghost catfish, possibly neon or cardinal tetras,
cherry barbs, and eventually an algae eater). So, I felt better
having been able to bring home a fish.

So...here I am the next day (Sunday), wondering if things are going
ok for the betta in there. I tried to feed her flake food last
night, and she seemed to not want anything to do with it. I tried a
pellet food today, and she kept picking it up and spitting it out.
Is she eating anything? She is not lethargic, quite the opposite,
very active. And oh so pretty red :-)

I want to know:
1. if that is the normal way fish eat or if she is going to starve
if I don't do something?

2. does anyone know of a bright blue fish I could have in there with
the plans of the other fish (or to replace the tetras, I am not set
on those)?

3. what kind of food should I be getting (like flake, pellet, etc.)
for the kinds of fish I want to have?

and any other info anyone can help me with would be greatly
appreciated.

I did learn you can't mix tropicals and goldfish, so no worried,
there. I don't want any goldfish this time around :-)

Thanks!
(sorry it was so long)
anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25550 From: William Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
I would not put anything else in with the two fish that you already
have because the oscar can get to be over 15 inches long and the
pleco (if it is a regular pleco) can get to be upwards of 24 inches
long in the right conditions and don't you wish to have great
conditions for your fish? If yo put anything else in the tank the
oscar might kill it right off or if not then the bioload will become
a lot more than it should be. If you really wish to put something
else in with those two fish then be prepared to do daily 25 to 50%
water changes to get rid of the waste products of all the fish
involved or the fish may (probably will) become stunted and stunting
will stress fish and leave them less resistant to diseases.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "sheriartist57"
<sheriartist57@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> water levels.
> And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who
is
> 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but
I
> wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> filtration.
> Thanks,Sheri
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25551 From: William Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Make sure that the heater works well so that you can maintain the
temp at 76 to 78. If it is lower then the tropical fish will be too
chilled and may not fell like eating. You really do not have much
room to put man;y fish in a ten gallon hex tank, most fish do better
in a low and long tank so that they have more swimming room
horizontal instead of vertically. I am sure that other people will
chime in and tell you that yo can put lots of fish in that tank. I
have only been in this hobby for 55 years and made my mistakes. I am
only trying to help people from making the same mistakes that i have
made in the past.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, here goes...my uncle gave my mom his hexagon aquarium to my mom
> months ago (empty, drained, dry, dirty, with supplies like filter,
> air pump, heater etc.). She never set it up, and when I moved down
> here, she said I could set it up. I had fish as a kid (a goldfish
> from a school carnival that lasted about five years and ate my neon
> tetras and fought with my pleco), like a ten gallon tank, I think
it
> was. I think this hex is 10 gallons, also.
>
> Anyway, I set it all up Thursday night. Gravel, water, filter,
> heater, and air hose/pump. A fake plant, and a little fake mountain
> thing (which I plugged the air hose into so bubbles would
> occasionally come out the top of it). I waited until Saturday
> afternoon to go to Walmart for fish (thinking the tank was ready)
> and the guy there got me to buy something that has beneficial
> bacteria in it, told me to squirt it in there, and wait a day or
two
> before coming back to get any fish. I was pretty disappointed, as I
> had thought I would be brining home a fish. He said I could get a
> female betta and put her in there right away because they
> are "hardy" (or is it "hearty"?) fish and she would survive. He
said
> a female won't attack the other kinds of fish I want to put in
there
> (a couple glass/ghost catfish, possibly neon or cardinal tetras,
> cherry barbs, and eventually an algae eater). So, I felt better
> having been able to bring home a fish.
>
> So...here I am the next day (Sunday), wondering if things are going
> ok for the betta in there. I tried to feed her flake food last
> night, and she seemed to not want anything to do with it. I tried a
> pellet food today, and she kept picking it up and spitting it out.
> Is she eating anything? She is not lethargic, quite the opposite,
> very active. And oh so pretty red :-)
>
> I want to know:
> 1. if that is the normal way fish eat or if she is going to starve
> if I don't do something?
>
> 2. does anyone know of a bright blue fish I could have in there
with
> the plans of the other fish (or to replace the tetras, I am not set
> on those)?
>
> 3. what kind of food should I be getting (like flake, pellet, etc.)
> for the kinds of fish I want to have?
>
> and any other info anyone can help me with would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> I did learn you can't mix tropicals and goldfish, so no worried,
> there. I don't want any goldfish this time around :-)
>
> Thanks!
> (sorry it was so long)
> anndrea
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25552 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Thanks for your advice,ray and Donna and everyone else.
I have done some extensive research on both internet and books.I am
simply not familiar with alot of the cyclids,as I have only been
adding to my fish mania with less aggresive freshwater tropicals.I
started again with some livebearers,a few koy and goldfish,as we are
building a pond this summer,and wanted to get them past the baby stage
before I stocked it.
My husband wanted an Oscar,who I enjoy thoroghly,and already had a 10"
pleco for 7 years,who works very well with the oscar,but too big for
any of my smaller fish.I have really gotten into this,have started
collecting rainbows as I can acquire them,and have about 6 varieties
of platies and guppies.I have also put together my first paludarium
and today we did a 55 planted tank.I am home 99% time because of
health issues,and we finally have the room in our new house for me to
explore this hobby fully.I spend more time in research than the actual
hands on,but enjoy it so very much.The only reason I sought this site
out was for the help with experienced aquarist.The books can be very
informative,although somewhat generic.The only thing I hate is the
drama in some of the forums.
I guess u missed the part of my message where we had an ice incident
because of increment weather,and I lost 2 large tanks one of which was
to be the setup for the Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin.I have planned
to put the Inkfins in a 55long,but was just looking for ideas for a 60
tall as well.
I am very clear what this species is,and they are F1,but most of the
info I have found via internet is about wild habitat,which I find
fascinating,but not very helpful when it comes to a home aquarium.I am
hoping to get it set up soon as not be getting these for another month
or so.I want to find something compatable with their environmental
needs,as I do hope to have a few out of 20 pair up and raise.
I felt it might be best to introduce some of the other cichlids at the
same time,to help cut down on aggressive behaviour.I am enthralled by
them,but concerned about the aggresion issues.I would like to buy them
while still small enough to hopefully pair up these as well.
Any advice from anyone is welcome,just please don't tell me my tanks
are overstocked.I am working on that as quickly as I am able,and do
very consistent water changes and huge filtration.Non of my tanks has
any balance problems,except the goldfish and koi,which will have to
wait till spring to move those.Our pm outside temp has been in single
digits here since Christmas,so there is nothing I can do except keep
up with water changes.
I only have one angel,never owned discus or African Cichlids before.I
have 9 tanks at the present time,and some are species tanks with a few
community tanks.
I wish we had a local aquatic club in our county,but don't as yet.
Please feel free to send me any idea,I have already gained some useful
information which led me in the right direction for more research.
Thanks,Sheri
i--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sheri, As for your 60 gallon tall tank, since you state "It WILL
> BE a freshwater, or brackish water" aquarium, by this I must presume
> that it does not yet stock Angels or Discus which you mention. It's
> most probable that the "black inkfin cichlids" you have coming are in
> fact Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin (a Tanganyika Cichlid) as Donna
> proposes. This would preclude the tank from being a brackish water
> set up in the sense that we recognize as being that type of
> environment. These expected fish also preclude having Angels or
> Discus in this same tank since their requirements are different.
>
> I have researched this***I am a bit astounded though, that before
ordering these fish that
> unless I'm misunderstanding you, you have not taken the time to
> reference the type of environment these fish require, or the types of
> compatable tankmates for them, but then that's what we're here for
> (or are you merely looking for suggestions other than what you
> already have in mind, and knowing this will be a high pH freshwater
> tank?). For Lake Tanganyika fish, a PH of at least 8.2 (up to pH
> 9.0) should be maintained, depending on the other tankmates.
> Tanganyika and/or Malawi salts can be added to the water. A
> substrate of crushed coral should be used to help maintain the
> required parameters..
>
> ***Good info in addition to what I already knew about parameter for
this tank***Additionally, and while this may be controversial, I'd
recommend the
> addition of marine salt mix which will help elevate the pH as well as
> add some carbonate hardness, increase the TDS (total dissolved
> solids) and introduce some trace elements to the water, all
> beneficial for these types of fish. Recommended amounts of marine
> salts to be used in Rift Lake aquariums vary considerably, from 1 tsp
> per 10 or 11 gallons to 2 tsp per gallon, with some aquarists going
> with 1 Tbs per 10 gallons. Although the actual amount to be used (if
> you so choose to do) will also depend on whether you're already using
> one of the commercial "Lake salts," surely they will do just fine
> with the addition of 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (2/3 tsp per gallon).
>
> As for stocking recommendations, this partially depends on the
> dimensions of the tank, as Donna asks, although it's clear that its
> tall rather than long. While regular 60 gallon tanks may be 48" x
> 15" x 18" high, the only Tall 60 that I'm aware of is the 60 gallon
> Hex (27" x 24" x 29" high, besides a 65 gallon Tall (36" x 18" x 25"
> high). With stocking such a tank, different strata must be kept in
> mind to best take advantage of its shape, while keeping in mind its
> footprint does not allow for much substrate area (read, territory),
> nor surface area when figuring fish capacity.
>
> For starters, I'd recommend a good portion (at least 1/3) of the tank
> bottom having piled rockwork where the A. calvus Inkfins will hang
> out, with the rest of the bottom being the plain exposed crushed
> coral (or a mix of that and sand), without rocks. For tankmates,
> although this tall type of tank does not allow for a lot of
> longitudinal swimming space, I could recommend some Blue Flash
> Cichlids (Cyprochromis leptosoma) which will swim mid tank in open
> water. These can be augmented with either Malawi Peacocks
> (Aulonocara) or Blue Dolphins (Cyrtocara moorii) also coming from
> that lake and preferring the sandy portion. None of these Cichlids
> are necessarily aggressive, but would dictate a mutual compromise of
> the pH level to 8.4ish, in which all species will thrive.
>
> At a year old, your Oscar is not yet full grown yet. His 55 gallon
> tank is not much larger that he will require by himself when full
> grown (he can get to an average size of 14"). At this point, I would
> not add another Oscar to his tank, but you might consider one of the
> more ornamental Plecos (which also don't get as large as the common
> species). That will max it out when he attains full size, at which
> point you'll need to be diligent with your water changes, unless you
> want to graduate him to a 75 or 90. Some of those very different and
> attractive Plecos can go for some big bucks though, but they make a
> nice addition. Best of luck, Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is the length and width of the tank? When you say inkfin
> cichlids, do
> > you mean Altolamprologus Calvus Inkfin? If so I have some
> suggestions on
> > that tank.
> >
> >
> >
> > No suggestions on the oscar though, maybe Ray will chime in.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of sheriartist57
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:03 AM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> > tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> > coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> > freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> > water levels.
> > And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who
> is
> > 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but
> I
> > wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> > filtration.
> > Thanks,Sheri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25553 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
This is only one of 10 aquariums I have,I have had the pleco that is
with him over seven,the Oscar 2.His tank is a great balance
chemically,and is also a great place to work some sponge filters to
work up my new tanks as I acquire them,thanks anyway,sheri--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...> wrote:
>
> I would not put anything else in with the two fish that you already
> have because the oscar can get to be over 15 inches long and the
> pleco (if it is a regular pleco) can get to be upwards of 24 inches
> long in the right conditions and don't you wish to have great
> conditions for your fish? If yo put anything else in the tank the
> oscar might kill it right off or if not then the bioload will become
> a lot more than it should be. If you really wish to put something
> else in with those two fish then be prepared to do daily 25 to 50%
> water changes to get rid of the waste products of all the fish
> involved or the fish may (probably will) become stunted and stunting
> will stress fish and leave them less resistant to diseases.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "sheriartist57"
> <sheriartist57@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> > tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> > coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> > freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> > water levels.
> > And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who
> is
> > 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but
> I
> > wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> > filtration.
> > Thanks,Sheri
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25554 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Well your Calvus are very mild-mannered. Except once a pair is formed,
another pair is unlikely to be tolerated in the same tank. Sometimes people
get lucky and a trio is formed, or maybe even two pair if the tank is large
enough.



In fact, tankmates must be chosen with care so that the Calvus will not be
stressed and be able to compete for food.



I do have a different approach than Ray on certain items: I do not add
marine salt or anything to my water. My tap is pH 7.8, but consistency is
more important than perfection (which would be more like the pH=8+ that Ray
mentions).



I would also stick with Tanganyikans and not add the Malawi to this tank. I
inquired about Peacocks as tankmates for Calvus when designing my own tank,
but people who had tried it did not recommend it.







_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:08 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking



Thanks for your advice,ray and Donna and everyone else.
I have done some extensive research on both internet and books.I am
simply not familiar with alot of the cyclids,as I have only been
adding to my fish mania with less aggresive freshwater tropicals.I
started again with some livebearers,a few koy and goldfish,as we are
building a pond this summer,and wanted to get them past the baby stage
before I stocked it.
My husband wanted an Oscar,who I enjoy thoroghly,and already had a 10"
pleco for 7 years,who works very well with the oscar,but too big for
any of my smaller fish.I have really gotten into this,have started
collecting rainbows as I can acquire them,and have about 6 varieties
of platies and guppies.I have also put together my first paludarium
and today we did a 55 planted tank.I am home 99% time because of
health issues,and we finally have the room in our new house for me to
explore this hobby fully.I spend more time in research than the actual
hands on,but enjoy it so very much.The only reason I sought this site
out was for the help with experienced aquarist.The books can be very
informative,although somewhat generic.The only thing I hate is the
drama in some of the forums.
I guess u missed the part of my message where we had an ice incident
because of increment weather,and I lost 2 large tanks one of which was
to be the setup for the Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin.I have planned
to put the Inkfins in a 55long,but was just looking for ideas for a 60
tall as well.
I am very clear what this species is,and they are F1,but most of the
info I have found via internet is about wild habitat,which I find
fascinating,but not very helpful when it comes to a home aquarium.I am
hoping to get it set up soon as not be getting these for another month
or so.I want to find something compatable with their environmental
needs,as I do hope to have a few out of 20 pair up and raise.
I felt it might be best to introduce some of the other cichlids at the
same time,to help cut down on aggressive behaviour.I am enthralled by
them,but concerned about the aggresion issues.I would like to buy them
while still small enough to hopefully pair up these as well.
Any advice from anyone is welcome,just please don't tell me my tanks
are overstocked.I am working on that as quickly as I am able,and do
very consistent water changes and huge filtration.Non of my tanks has
any balance problems,except the goldfish and koi,which will have to
wait till spring to move those.Our pm outside temp has been in single
digits here since Christmas,so there is nothing I can do except keep
up with water changes.
I only have one angel,never owned discus or African Cichlids before.I
have 9 tanks at the present time,and some are species tanks with a few
community tanks.
I wish we had a local aquatic club in our county,but don't as yet.
Please feel free to send me any idea,I have already gained some useful
information which led me in the right direction for more research.
Thanks,Sheri
i--- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
"Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Sheri, As for your 60 gallon tall tank, since you state "It WILL
> BE a freshwater, or brackish water" aquarium, by this I must presume
> that it does not yet stock Angels or Discus which you mention. It's
> most probable that the "black inkfin cichlids" you have coming are in
> fact Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin (a Tanganyika Cichlid) as Donna
> proposes. This would preclude the tank from being a brackish water
> set up in the sense that we recognize as being that type of
> environment. These expected fish also preclude having Angels or
> Discus in this same tank since their requirements are different.
>
> I have researched this***I am a bit astounded though, that before
ordering these fish that
> unless I'm misunderstanding you, you have not taken the time to
> reference the type of environment these fish require, or the types of
> compatable tankmates for them, but then that's what we're here for
> (or are you merely looking for suggestions other than what you
> already have in mind, and knowing this will be a high pH freshwater
> tank?). For Lake Tanganyika fish, a PH of at least 8.2 (up to pH
> 9.0) should be maintained, depending on the other tankmates.
> Tanganyika and/or Malawi salts can be added to the water. A
> substrate of crushed coral should be used to help maintain the
> required parameters..
>
> ***Good info in addition to what I already knew about parameter for
this tank***Additionally, and while this may be controversial, I'd
recommend the
> addition of marine salt mix which will help elevate the pH as well as
> add some carbonate hardness, increase the TDS (total dissolved
> solids) and introduce some trace elements to the water, all
> beneficial for these types of fish. Recommended amounts of marine
> salts to be used in Rift Lake aquariums vary considerably, from 1 tsp
> per 10 or 11 gallons to 2 tsp per gallon, with some aquarists going
> with 1 Tbs per 10 gallons. Although the actual amount to be used (if
> you so choose to do) will also depend on whether you're already using
> one of the commercial "Lake salts," surely they will do just fine
> with the addition of 1 Tbs per 5 gallons (2/3 tsp per gallon).
>
> As for stocking recommendations, this partially depends on the
> dimensions of the tank, as Donna asks, although it's clear that its
> tall rather than long. While regular 60 gallon tanks may be 48" x
> 15" x 18" high, the only Tall 60 that I'm aware of is the 60 gallon
> Hex (27" x 24" x 29" high, besides a 65 gallon Tall (36" x 18" x 25"
> high). With stocking such a tank, different strata must be kept in
> mind to best take advantage of its shape, while keeping in mind its
> footprint does not allow for much substrate area (read, territory),
> nor surface area when figuring fish capacity.
>
> For starters, I'd recommend a good portion (at least 1/3) of the tank
> bottom having piled rockwork where the A. calvus Inkfins will hang
> out, with the rest of the bottom being the plain exposed crushed
> coral (or a mix of that and sand), without rocks. For tankmates,
> although this tall type of tank does not allow for a lot of
> longitudinal swimming space, I could recommend some Blue Flash
> Cichlids (Cyprochromis leptosoma) which will swim mid tank in open
> water. These can be augmented with either Malawi Peacocks
> (Aulonocara) or Blue Dolphins (Cyrtocara moorii) also coming from
> that lake and preferring the sandy portion. None of these Cichlids
> are necessarily aggressive, but would dictate a mutual compromise of
> the pH level to 8.4ish, in which all species will thrive.
>
> At a year old, your Oscar is not yet full grown yet. His 55 gallon
> tank is not much larger that he will require by himself when full
> grown (he can get to an average size of 14"). At this point, I would
> not add another Oscar to his tank, but you might consider one of the
> more ornamental Plecos (which also don't get as large as the common
> species). That will max it out when he attains full size, at which
> point you'll need to be diligent with your water changes, unless you
> want to graduate him to a 75 or 90. Some of those very different and
> attractive Plecos can go for some big bucks though, but they make a
> nice addition. Best of luck, Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is the length and width of the tank? When you say inkfin
> cichlids, do
> > you mean Altolamprologus Calvus Inkfin? If so I have some
> suggestions on
> > that tank.
> >
> >
> >
> > No suggestions on the oscar though, maybe Ray will chime in.
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of sheriartist57
> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:03 AM
> > To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> > tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> > coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> > freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> > water levels.
> > And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar who
> is
> > 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he is,but
> I
> > wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> > filtration.
> > Thanks,Sheri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25555 From: Anndrea S Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Oh, I appreciate your input! You have been doing this a long time!

The fish I want to put in...there may be several varieties I listed, but I only want small numbers of them...like 3 neon tetras, 1 algae eater, 2 glass cats...and being the cats and the algae eater are bottom swimmers and most the rest are mid to upper level swimmers (so I have been told) I think I will be ok with a few of these a few of those...I will probably decide on less fish long before I get too many...I want them to be happy and have room :-)

I will be very careful...I promise :-)

thanks,
anndrea

William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote:
Make sure that the heater works well so that you can maintain the
temp at 76 to 78. If it is lower then the tropical fish will be too
chilled and may not fell like eating. You really do not have much
room to put man;y fish in a ten gallon hex tank, most fish do better
in a low and long tank so that they have more swimming room
horizontal instead of vertically. I am sure that other people will
chime in and tell you that yo can put lots of fish in that tank. I
have only been in this hobby for 55 years and made my mistakes. I am
only trying to help people from making the same mistakes that i have
made in the past.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, here goes...my uncle gave my mom his hexagon aquarium to my mom
> months ago (empty, drained, dry, dirty, with supplies like filter,
> air pump, heater etc.). She never set it up, and when I moved down
> here, she said I could set it up. I had fish as a kid (a goldfish
> from a school carnival that lasted about five years and ate my neon
> tetras and fought with my pleco), like a ten gallon tank, I think
it
> was. I think this hex is 10 gallons, also.
>
> Anyway, I set it all up Thursday night. Gravel, water, filter,
> heater, and air hose/pump. A fake plant, and a little fake mountain
> thing (which I plugged the air hose into so bubbles would
> occasionally come out the top of it). I waited until Saturday
> afternoon to go to Walmart for fish (thinking the tank was ready)
> and the guy there got me to buy something that has beneficial
> bacteria in it, told me to squirt it in there, and wait a day or
two
> before coming back to get any fish. I was pretty disappointed, as I
> had thought I would be brining home a fish. He said I could get a
> female betta and put her in there right away because they
> are "hardy" (or is it "hearty"?) fish and she would survive. He
said
> a female won't attack the other kinds of fish I want to put in
there
> (a couple glass/ghost catfish, possibly neon or cardinal tetras,
> cherry barbs, and eventually an algae eater). So, I felt better
> having been able to bring home a fish.
>
> So...here I am the next day (Sunday), wondering if things are going
> ok for the betta in there. I tried to feed her flake food last
> night, and she seemed to not want anything to do with it. I tried a
> pellet food today, and she kept picking it up and spitting it out.
> Is she eating anything? She is not lethargic, quite the opposite,
> very active. And oh so pretty red :-)
>
> I want to know:
> 1. if that is the normal way fish eat or if she is going to starve
> if I don't do something?
>
> 2. does anyone know of a bright blue fish I could have in there
with
> the plans of the other fish (or to replace the tetras, I am not set
> on those)?
>
> 3. what kind of food should I be getting (like flake, pellet, etc.)
> for the kinds of fish I want to have?
>
> and any other info anyone can help me with would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> I did learn you can't mix tropicals and goldfish, so no worried,
> there. I don't want any goldfish this time around :-)
>
> Thanks!
> (sorry it was so long)
> anndrea
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25556 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Understanding the concern for the bioload here, I still stand by
adding a smaller ornamental Pleco in lieu of the common Pleco (which,
as pointed out can get upwards of 24"), when I stated that the
ornamenal Pleco doesn't get as large as the common species (Pleco) --
my reason for pointing that out. In doing this, there would of
course be even less of a bioload than keeping the two present fish,
both of which will get large. I had hoped replacing one with the
other would have been common sense when I mentioned that, trying to
avoid going into writing a short story. I did mention the need to be
more diligent with water changing as the fish grew (even suggesting
upgrading to a larger tank). I would not put anything else in with
the two present fish, but would encourage an exchange of the larger
catfish for the smaller, especially as something different is being
considered. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...>
wrote:
>
> I would not put anything else in with the two fish that you already
> have because the oscar can get to be over 15 inches long and the
> pleco (if it is a regular pleco) can get to be upwards of 24 inches
> long in the right conditions and don't you wish to have great
> conditions for your fish? If yo put anything else in the tank the
> oscar might kill it right off or if not then the bioload will
become
> a lot more than it should be. If you really wish to put something
> else in with those two fish then be prepared to do daily 25 to 50%
> water changes to get rid of the waste products of all the fish
> involved or the fish may (probably will) become stunted and
stunting
> will stress fish and leave them less resistant to diseases.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "sheriartist57"
> <sheriartist57@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have some suggestions for stocking a 60 gallon
> > tall,besides angels and discus.I have some black inkfin cichlids
> > coming,they are still too small,would they work? It will be a
> > freshwater,or brackish,but I am not sure what to put in different
> > water levels.
> > And is there anything I can add to a tank with a spoiled oscar
who
> is
> > 10",about a year old? Fortunately my pleco is longer than he
is,but
> I
> > wish I could add something he wouldn't eat.He is in a 55 withgreat
> > filtration.
> > Thanks,Sheri
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25557 From: clubsprint Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Newbie community question
Hi all
I've got 2 questions I'm hoping someone can help with.
My tank has slowly depleted down to two very hardy Danios. The tank is
about 32 litres and has an undergravel filter and a couple of broad
leaf plats (not sure what they are). Is there any other breeds I can
mix with the Danios?

We're looking at the getting another tank (30 to 50 litre) so I can
have some Cardinal or Neon Tetras (I love their colours) Which are the
hardiest and what sort of plants should I get to make them happy? I
was thinking an external filter for this tank as I havwe a bit of
trouble with algae buildup in the other tank.

Thanks in advance
Mark
Aus
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25558 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/27/2008
Subject: Re: New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)
Hi Anndrea and welcome to AquaticLife Group.

You'll learn a lot more out here than you ever thought there was to know
about fish keeping.

Two things I would suggest is going to my blog http://goldlenny.blogspot.com
and reading over the article "Hailey's 10 Gallon Tank Stocking Suggestions"
(link on the right side of my blog) and that will give you an idea of many
other fish to choose from in stocking your new/used tank.

You won't see goldfish on that list since they really need a much larger
tank. Also, a common pleco which is often referred to as an algae eater
gets far too large for a 10G tank also so get that thought out of your head
but there are some smaller algae eating catfish listed in the article.

That bacteria stuff that the Wal-Mart employee sold you will likely not do
anything to help your tank "cycle" (The Nitrogen Cycle). The only product
that I know of that will cycle a tank instantly is Bio-Spira and it's
available online and at select fish stores since it must be kept
refrigerated.

It's best NOT to cycle a tank with fish since the cycling process is hard on
the fish and can kill them or permanently injure them but since you now have
a fish in there, it's important to test your ammonia/nitrite on a daily
basis and do PWC's (25% partial water changes) to keep the levels below
0.5ppm.

Also on my blog, you will see my article "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and if you
read over it, you will see much of this information covered. At the top of
that article, there are links to two online tutorials that you should take
which will walk you through all phases of keeping fish. You should have
tons of questions so come back here and ask away.

I'm glad your post was long so that my long answers don't appear as bad. ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anndrea
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 3:32 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New to group, new to aquariums (long post, sorry)

Ok, here goes...my uncle gave my mom his hexagon aquarium to my mom months
ago (empty, drained, dry, dirty, with supplies like filter, air pump, heater
etc.). She never set it up, and when I moved down here, she said I could set
it up. I had fish as a kid (a goldfish from a school carnival that lasted
about five years and ate my neon tetras and fought with my pleco), like a
ten gallon tank, I think it was. I think this hex is 10 gallons, also.

Anyway, I set it all up Thursday night. Gravel, water, filter, heater, and
air hose/pump. A fake plant, and a little fake mountain thing (which I
plugged the air hose into so bubbles would occasionally come out the top of
it). I waited until Saturday afternoon to go to Walmart for fish (thinking
the tank was ready) and the guy there got me to buy something that has
beneficial bacteria in it, told me to squirt it in there, and wait a day or
two before coming back to get any fish. I was pretty disappointed, as I had
thought I would be brining home a fish. He said I could get a female betta
and put her in there right away because they are "hardy" (or is it
"hearty"?) fish and she would survive. He said a female won't attack the
other kinds of fish I want to put in there (a couple glass/ghost catfish,
possibly neon or cardinal tetras, cherry barbs, and eventually an algae
eater). So, I felt better having been able to bring home a fish.

So...here I am the next day (Sunday), wondering if things are going ok for
the betta in there. I tried to feed her flake food last night, and she
seemed to not want anything to do with it. I tried a pellet food today, and
she kept picking it up and spitting it out.
Is she eating anything? She is not lethargic, quite the opposite, very
active. And oh so pretty red :-)

I want to know:
1. if that is the normal way fish eat or if she is going to starve if I
don't do something?

2. does anyone know of a bright blue fish I could have in there with the
plans of the other fish (or to replace the tetras, I am not set on those)?

3. what kind of food should I be getting (like flake, pellet, etc.) for the
kinds of fish I want to have?

and any other info anyone can help me with would be greatly appreciated.

I did learn you can't mix tropicals and goldfish, so no worried, there. I
don't want any goldfish this time around :-)

Thanks!
(sorry it was so long)
anndrea


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25560 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: fish stores....
Thanks for the link!

WOW! did a quick look at it and can say I was impressed to the
deication to safely selling fish.
Looked at a Majestic Anglefish listing where they will put the order
on hold if you order more than one!

Thumbs Up! Thanks for sharing!

From me,
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25561 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Thanks,Ray,I had the folks I am buying this from to measure it,and u
were right on target.Sheri
65 Tall,36x18x25
New,will possibly be planted.
Thanks,Sheri
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25562 From: rn_ple Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: another introduction....newbie...
Hi everyone....
I'm a person who has fallen in love with Oscars. We have one at work.
(i might even end up with him) He is an absolute character! Let me hold
off talking about that fish in fear of being named: Dances with Fish.

One big question I have is: Are Oscars or the Original Oscar actually
more personable and intelligent than other Cichlids?

The reason I ask is I would rather keep size down some. But personality
is what it's all about to me. Would be nice to have something smaller
and prettier like a couple yellow labs. But again...the personality is
supreme.

I'd like to keep my tank or tanks down to 50 gallon. But gee... if I
had that Oscar at work. I'd have to give him at least a 75 gallon tank.

Ron
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25563 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
I've never owned an Oscar but from all I've read, they are much more
personable than most other fish. Goldfish are the same way. Of course it
could just be that both of those species are BIG fish and always hungry so
they just act like they are happy to see us when they are really just
begging for food. LOL

And you are right about the tank size... they need BIG tanks and lots of
filtration!

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rn_ple
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 1:01 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] another introduction....newbie...

Hi everyone....
I'm a person who has fallen in love with Oscars. We have one at work.
(i might even end up with him) He is an absolute character! Let me hold off
talking about that fish in fear of being named: Dances with Fish.

One big question I have is: Are Oscars or the Original Oscar actually more
personable and intelligent than other Cichlids?

The reason I ask is I would rather keep size down some. But personality is
what it's all about to me. Would be nice to have something smaller and
prettier like a couple yellow labs. But again...the personality is supreme.

I'd like to keep my tank or tanks down to 50 gallon. But gee... if I had
that Oscar at work. I'd have to give him at least a 75 gallon tank.

Ron

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25564 From: The Dragon Hunter Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Welp, I personally haven't had one, but my mom did a while back. She used
to tell me how her oscar would play with ping pong balls and would eat out
of your hand. She would give it the occasional hot dog as a treat among
other things.



From what she said and what I've read, they do need a big tank with good
filtration. She compare's his pooping to my pleco (adult, 18"). She got
out of fish keeping when she had to give him up. She even now refers to
Oscars as "water dogs"



-Steve



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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of rn_ple
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] another introduction....newbie...



Hi everyone....
I'm a person who has fallen in love with Oscars. We have one at work.
(i might even end up with him) He is an absolute character! Let me hold
off talking about that fish in fear of being named: Dances with Fish.

One big question I have is: Are Oscars or the Original Oscar actually
more personable and intelligent than other Cichlids?

The reason I ask is I would rather keep size down some. But personality
is what it's all about to me. Would be nice to have something smaller
and prettier like a couple yellow labs. But again...the personality is
supreme.

I'd like to keep my tank or tanks down to 50 gallon. But gee... if I
had that Oscar at work. I'd have to give him at least a 75 gallon tank.

Ron



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25565 From: ED Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Newbie
Let's see 55gal,29gal,2-10gal and a 2.5gal. All freshwater. The 55 we
are tring to get our angels to breed.*prays "out of 6 atleast 1 has to
be diff sex"* Our newest member is a black ghost knife omgod such a
cool fish -eating out of our hands in 1-wk(aprox 6.5" long). We do
believe in live plants as close to natural as possable. Of course the
BGK and the angels come from the Amazon river. Swears I will never own
another fancy guppy(toooo much inbreeding) accept to feed to other
fish. Nothing like the ones I had when I was younger. The 2-tens are
empty right now.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25566 From: William Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
There are a lot of cichlids that have "personalities". A lot of
longer lived species of fish (and other animals) have the capacity to
learn and so can interact with their owners or care givers. Even
angelfish can interact with the caregiver, and angelfish are
cichlids. I say do a little research as to what kinds of fish that yo
like that have a lifespan of 10 or more years and you should have a
fish that will learn to interact with you.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Dragon Hunter"
<dragon.hunter@...> wrote:
>
> Welp, I personally haven't had one, but my mom did a while back.
She used
> to tell me how her oscar would play with ping pong balls and would
eat out
> of your hand. She would give it the occasional hot dog as a treat
among
> other things.
>
>
>
> From what she said and what I've read, they do need a big tank with
good
> filtration. She compare's his pooping to my pleco (adult, 18").
She got
> out of fish keeping when she had to give him up. She even now
refers to
> Oscars as "water dogs"
>
>
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of rn_ple
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:01 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] another introduction....newbie...
>
>
>
> Hi everyone....
> I'm a person who has fallen in love with Oscars. We have one at
work.
> (i might even end up with him) He is an absolute character! Let me
hold
> off talking about that fish in fear of being named: Dances with
Fish.
>
> One big question I have is: Are Oscars or the Original Oscar
actually
> more personable and intelligent than other Cichlids?
>
> The reason I ask is I would rather keep size down some. But
personality
> is what it's all about to me. Would be nice to have something
smaller
> and prettier like a couple yellow labs. But again...the personality
is
> supreme.
>
> I'd like to keep my tank or tanks down to 50 gallon. But gee... if
I
> had that Oscar at work. I'd have to give him at least a 75 gallon
tank.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25567 From: Kate Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Tetras and other little guys
Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons
talls, a 2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into
fish until I felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again
for everyone's advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron,
Ray, and Lenny). I've experimented with several different shrimp in
the tanks and I love those. Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The
fish need to be small and not something that would make a meal out of
all the shrimp. I've been looking into several Tetras. I particularly
like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor Tetras. Does anyone know of a
site that lists every type of tetra with pictures? And maybe good
sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have any favorites they'd
like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25568 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
I'm not sure if there is a "list" of tetras but I do have that 10G stocking
list article on my blog which has lots of tetras listed... at least the ones
suitable for smaller tanks. Many other tetras get much larger so they
wouldn't be suitable.

This page on Wikipedia does have a lot of tetras listed in alphabetical
order but at least grouped into tetras. Scroll down past the catfish
sections to the Characin and other characiformes and you will see many of
the tetras listed. The page also has proposed sizes, etc., and the sizes at
least appear to be close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshwater_aquarium_fish_species

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25569 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
I need help on my 10 gl aquarium. I need to know if my tank is
overstocked. I got an angelfish, two danios, and a flying fox. Does
anyone know?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25570 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
This Wikipedia page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25571 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
I have a 10 gallon tank and I was wondering if I have it overstocked.
The fish I have in it is 2 danios, a flying fox, and an angelfish? I
was just wondering if anyone would help me on this. I'm a beginner of
this hobby. I've had bettas in the past.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25572 From: Angel Phillips Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Help!
I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy in
there also.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25573 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Hi Angel,

Yep... to all of the below.. although the danio's, if zebra danio's could do
OK in a 10G tank but since they are such big swimmers and need to be in
schools, it gets kind of cramped even for them in a 10G.

Go to my blog and on the right side, you will see a link to a 10G stocking
list article which will give you a better idea of suitable fish for your
tank.

The flying fox should grow to 6" and needs at least 35G.
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Epalzeorhynchus_kallopterus.html

Same for the Angelfish. http://fish.mongabay.com/angelfish.htm (scroll 1/2
way down for Angelfish)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Angel Phillips
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:33 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Help!

I need help on my 10 gl aquarium. I need to know if my tank is overstocked.
I got an angelfish, two danios, and a flying fox. Does anyone know?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25574 From: Sam Palermo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Angel,
It all depends on the size of these fish. I don't use small tanks like
the 10 or even a 20 now days.
I like to let them swim around more like they originally would be able to.
The other part of missing data is what type of filtering do you have
hooked up?
If too small a filter, the job of keeping the tank clean will be more a
headache than a hobby.
I use Fluval larger ones like 403's and all my tanks (55Gal) have two
filters on them. there
should be good surface agitation by way of a spray tube for the return
of the filter. This
makes for very good oxygenation. Tanks and stands are pretty cheap so
those would allow you more
fish due to the larger environment.

Best regards,

Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago
(708)334-2260
Past Teac/Tascam Service Technician still doing repairs.


Angel Phillips wrote:
>
> I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy in
> there also.
>
>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25575 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Thanks Lenny. That did have a couple I haven't seen in my searches. There's one I ran into a while ago. It had color similar to an Emperor but more blue and black. It was small and had a very blunt face. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: I'm not sure if there is a "list" of tetras but I do have that 10G stocking
list article on my blog which has lots of tetras listed... at least the ones
suitable for smaller tanks. Many other tetras get much larger so they
wouldn't be suitable.

This page on Wikipedia does have a lot of tetras listed in alphabetical
order but at least grouped into tetras. Scroll down past the catfish
sections to the Characin and other characiformes and you will see many of
the tetras listed. The page also has proposed sizes, etc., and the sizes at
least appear to be close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshwater_aquarium_fish_species

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25576 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Ooooo, that one had some really neat ones. I really liked the Exodon Paradoxus and Poecilocharax weitzmani. I got about half through the list and my eyes need a break from the computer. Thank you again!!!
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: This Wikipedia page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25577 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Have you thought of any kind of killie? They pack a lot of color into a
small fish. I see Aquabid has a bunch listed for sale. I'd probably skip
over those who try to give them a common name, and only look at those
listed with a scientific name, since true killie keepers don not
normally use common names except for a very few varieties/species.

You might want to invest in a book like the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas
Volume 1_ to help you learn more about differ families, genera, and
species of fish kept in aquaria. The fish section (most of the book) has
the fish grouped, generally 2 species to a page, along with a
description of the fish, its behavior, and its needs. When you see
something you might like, you can do further research on the web, and/or
ask here for even more information.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons
talls, a 2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into
fish until I felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again
for everyone's advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron,
Ray, and Lenny). I've experimented with several different shrimp in
the tanks and I love those. Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The
fish need to be small and not something that would make a meal out of
all the shrimp. I've been looking into several Tetras. I particularly
like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor Tetras. Does anyone know of a
site that lists every type of tetra with pictures? And maybe good
sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have any favorites they'd
like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25578 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
You'll find that _Exodon paradoxus_ is an aggressive fish, and probably
would not do well in a small tank. I can't speak for _ Poecilocharax
weitzmani_, but Stan Weitman, is a nice guy. Maybe the fish is also <g>.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Ooooo, that one had some really neat ones. I really liked the Exodon
Paradoxus and Poecilocharax weitzmani. I got about half through the list
and my eyes need a break from the computer. Thank you again!!!
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: This Wikipedia
page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls,
a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until
I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny).
I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love
those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been
looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and
Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone
have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25579 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
And if you type too many latin names, you'll get carpal tunnel syndrome to
go with your blood shot eyes. LOL

If you run out of tetras on those two lists, you can always go to
Fishbase.org and under "Information by Family", use the first drop down menu
and choose "Characidae" and put a bullet in "All Fishes" and you'll get a
list of over 1,100 fishes... not all of which are tetras but on the right
side, you'll see some common names and if you scroll through, you'll see
many are tetras but I suspect that the Wiki article was derived from the
fishbase list and they only listed the ones with common names (around 150)
that included "tetra" but there are many, many more without common names
listed.

Remember that you are limited to tetras that stay under 2" as full grown
adults, so that you can keep a school in a 10G since most are schooling
fish.

BTW.. I never answered your question about which tetras I liked. I'll
confess that I've only owned one type and that was some Albino Buenos Aires
Tetras that I adopted/saved BK, from a 10G tank along with their tank mates,
a school of zebra danios, two blue gouramies and a common pleco... boy was
that tank overstocked! I had to separated that 10G tank into over 100G
worth of tanks and even then my 65G wasn't big enough for the common pleco
and I had to rehome him last year since I wasn't able to get the bigger
tanks I wanted AK.

Down here in N'Awlins, we date a lot of things BK and AK... Before Katrina
and After Katrina... :-P

Me and all of my tanks made it through Katrina... no power for 14 days and
no drinkable running water for five weeks... but I did lose my two golden
mystery snails a week after I did my first PWC AK. My water utility swears
they were doing nothing different to the water but something caused both of
my snails to go kaput right after that PWC... but it could have just been
that they starved to death during the five weeks that I was limiting the
feeding of all of the fish since I couldn't do PWC's.

Lenny V. 504-621-1870
Pics/Info/IM - http://profiles.yahoo.com/LoverLennyV


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Ooooo, that one had some really neat ones. I really liked the Exodon
Paradoxus and Poecilocharax weitzmani. I got about half through the list and
my eyes need a break from the computer. Thank you again!!!
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@... <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com>
> wrote: This Wikipedia page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra>

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25580 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Is this for the Calvus we talked about, or are they still going in a 48”
long tank?



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sheriartist57
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:43 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions



Thanks,Ray,I had the folks I am buying this from to measure it,and u
were right on target.Sheri
65 Tall,36x18x25
New,will possibly be planted.
Thanks,Sheri





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25581 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
I actually started to mention in my post that I adore killies! But wouldn't they eat the shrimp? I saw a pair of killies that I just loved in the LFS the other day but they did seem to be following the black bee shrimp around with a little to much interest and the gal said they would most likely eat any baby shrimp mine produced. I obviously need to educate myself more and thank you for the book info.
Kate

Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: Have you thought of any kind of killie? They pack a lot of color into a
small fish. I see Aquabid has a bunch listed for sale. I'd probably skip
over those who try to give them a common name, and only look at those
listed with a scientific name, since true killie keepers don not
normally use common names except for a very few varieties/species.

You might want to invest in a book like the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas
Volume 1_ to help you learn more about differ families, genera, and
species of fish kept in aquaria. The fish section (most of the book) has
the fish grouped, generally 2 species to a page, along with a
description of the fish, its behavior, and its needs. When you see
something you might like, you can do further research on the web, and/or
ask here for even more information.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons
talls, a 2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into
fish until I felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again
for everyone's advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron,
Ray, and Lenny). I've experimented with several different shrimp in
the tanks and I love those. Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The
fish need to be small and not something that would make a meal out of
all the shrimp. I've been looking into several Tetras. I particularly
like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor Tetras. Does anyone know of a
site that lists every type of tetra with pictures? And maybe good
sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have any favorites they'd
like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25582 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Well they're both beautiful. One of these days I will set up something bigger than a ten. My place is just so small and I really do love nanos. I keep coming up with creative places for them; the computer desk, the kitchen counter, the kitchen table, every book shelve in the place. I saw a brand new 75g for $100 at the LFS. I tried to bribe my boyfriend into letting me take over his guest room but no dice. haha.
Kate

Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote: You'll find that _Exodon paradoxus_ is an aggressive fish, and probably
would not do well in a small tank. I can't speak for _ Poecilocharax
weitzmani_, but Stan Weitman, is a nice guy. Maybe the fish is also <g>.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Ooooo, that one had some really neat ones. I really liked the Exodon
Paradoxus and Poecilocharax weitzmani. I got about half through the list
and my eyes need a break from the computer. Thank you again!!!
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: This Wikipedia
page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls,
a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until
I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny).
I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love
those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been
looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and
Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone
have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25583 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Yeah, I'm half way to c.t. haha.

I will make sure to keep everything small. I'd be doing Congos and Emperors if I had the room but alas.

Didn't realize you were from New Orleans. And yes I do say it the local way. haha. I had a friend from there. Always wanted to visit.

Kate



"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote: And if you type too many latin names, you'll get carpal tunnel syndrome to
go with your blood shot eyes. LOL

If you run out of tetras on those two lists, you can always go to
Fishbase.org and under "Information by Family", use the first drop down menu
and choose "Characidae" and put a bullet in "All Fishes" and you'll get a
list of over 1,100 fishes... not all of which are tetras but on the right
side, you'll see some common names and if you scroll through, you'll see
many are tetras but I suspect that the Wiki article was derived from the
fishbase list and they only listed the ones with common names (around 150)
that included "tetra" but there are many, many more without common names
listed.

Remember that you are limited to tetras that stay under 2" as full grown
adults, so that you can keep a school in a 10G since most are schooling
fish.

BTW.. I never answered your question about which tetras I liked. I'll
confess that I've only owned one type and that was some Albino Buenos Aires
Tetras that I adopted/saved BK, from a 10G tank along with their tank mates,
a school of zebra danios, two blue gouramies and a common pleco... boy was
that tank overstocked! I had to separated that 10G tank into over 100G
worth of tanks and even then my 65G wasn't big enough for the common pleco
and I had to rehome him last year since I wasn't able to get the bigger
tanks I wanted AK.

Down here in N'Awlins, we date a lot of things BK and AK... Before Katrina
and After Katrina... :-P

Me and all of my tanks made it through Katrina... no power for 14 days and
no drinkable running water for five weeks... but I did lose my two golden
mystery snails a week after I did my first PWC AK. My water utility swears
they were doing nothing different to the water but something caused both of
my snails to go kaput right after that PWC... but it could have just been
that they starved to death during the five weeks that I was limiting the
feeding of all of the fish since I couldn't do PWC's.

Lenny V. 504-621-1870
Pics/Info/IM - http://profiles.yahoo.com/LoverLennyV


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:35 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Ooooo, that one had some really neat ones. I really liked the Exodon
Paradoxus and Poecilocharax weitzmani. I got about half through the list and
my eyes need a break from the computer. Thank you again!!!
Kate

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> wrote: This Wikipedia page has them listed also but without any additional
information without clicking each fish link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetra

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons talls, a
2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into fish until I
felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again for everyone's
advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron, Ray, and Lenny). I've
experimented with several different shrimp in the tanks and I love those.
Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The fish need to be small and not
something that would make a meal out of all the shrimp. I've been looking
into several Tetras. I particularly like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor
Tetras. Does anyone know of a site that lists every type of tetra with
pictures? And maybe good sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have
any favorites they'd like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25584 From: mosquitokr2002 Date: 1/28/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
There are a few little fish that I love to keep and that I would
recommend for you. Penguin tetras, any of the hatchetfish and pencil
fish are fun (though hatchetfish can be picky eaters). Not tetras, but
cherry barbs do not grow large and are very hardy. And the pygmy
(sparkling/croaking) gouramis stay about an inch long--just don't put
them in with fish that move to quickly or they won't get enough food to
eat.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons
> talls, a 2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into
> fish until I felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again
> for everyone's advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron,
> Ray, and Lenny). I've experimented with several different shrimp in
> the tanks and I love those. Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The
> fish need to be small and not something that would make a meal out of
> all the shrimp. I've been looking into several Tetras. I particularly
> like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor Tetras. Does anyone know of a
> site that lists every type of tetra with pictures? And maybe good
> sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have any favorites they'd
> like to profess their love for?
> Thanks!
> Kate
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25585 From: Steve Szabo Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Pretty much any fish with a mouth large enough will, at least, taste
your shrimp. To help prevent that, you'll need to provide spaces for the
shrimp where the fish will not get them, and get fish that like it more
where the shrimp are not, i.e. the top third of the tank, than where
they are. Looking for fish with an upturned mouth would also help, as
those fish are surface feeders, and do poorly when they cannot get their
needs from the surface, or, at least, from above.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:02 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

I actually started to mention in my post that I adore killies! But
wouldn't they eat the shrimp? I saw a pair of killies that I just loved
in the LFS the other day but they did seem to be following the black bee
shrimp around with a little to much interest and the gal said they would
most likely eat any baby shrimp mine produced. I obviously need to
educate myself more and thank you for the book info.
Kate

Steve Szabo <steve@...> wrote:
Have you thought of any kind of killie? They pack a lot of color into a
small fish. I see Aquabid has a bunch listed for sale. I'd probably
skip
over those who try to give them a common name, and only look at those
listed with a scientific name, since true killie keepers don not
normally use common names except for a very few varieties/species.

You might want to invest in a book like the Baensch _Aquarium Atlas
Volume 1_ to help you learn more about differ families, genera, and
species of fish kept in aquaria. The fish section (most of the book)
has
the fish grouped, generally 2 species to a page, along with a
description of the fish, its behavior, and its needs. When you see
something you might like, you can do further research on the web,
and/or
ask here for even more information.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:17 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Tetras and other little guys

Hey all,
So I have 5 planted tanks going now. The 10 gallon, two 5 gallons
talls, a 2.5 gallon, and 1 gallon+-. I've been waiting to get too into
fish until I felt like I had the plants doing well and thank you again
for everyone's advice on that back in August(especially Steve, Aaron,
Ray, and Lenny). I've experimented with several different shrimp in
the tanks and I love those. Now I'm looking at adding a few fish. The
fish need to be small and not something that would make a meal out of
all the shrimp. I've been looking into several Tetras. I particularly
like the Rummy Nose, Gold, and Emperor Tetras. Does anyone know of a
site that lists every type of tetra with pictures? And maybe good
sources for other nano fish as well? Anyone have any favorites they'd
like to profess their love for?
Thanks!
Kate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25586 From: Diane Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: elephant fish
Does anyone know if there is a way of telling a male and a female
elephant fish apart? Also the common pleco? Thanks Diane
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25587 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Hi Donna, Hopes this helps any confusion, but I would have to guess
its this 65 gallon Tall that the Altolamps are going into. You may
have missed the part in message #25552 (1/27 @ 7:08PM) where the 55
gallon (48") tank that was originally intended for the Calvus was one
of the two that were lost due to inclement weather (don't know how -
left outside and was frozen/cracked???). Maybe Sheri can clear this
up further if need be. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> Is this for the Calvus we talked about, or are they still going in
a 48"
> long tank?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sheriartist57
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:43 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
>
>
>
> Thanks,Ray,I had the folks I am buying this from to measure it,and u
> were right on target.Sheri
> 65 Tall,36x18x25
> New,will possibly be planted.
> Thanks,Sheri
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25588 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
Well if that’s true then the tankmates I suggested off list won’t work as
well in a 36” tank. I wouldn’t do the cyps and I’d limit to one other
species. I’m doing calvus and lamprologus caudopunctatus in my 36” tank.
Shellies are another option.



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Raymond Wetzel
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:31 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions



Hi Donna, Hopes this helps any confusion, but I would have to guess
its this 65 gallon Tall that the Altolamps are going into. You may
have missed the part in message #25552 (1/27 @ 7:08PM) where the 55
gallon (48") tank that was originally intended for the Calvus was one
of the two that were lost due to inclement weather (don't know how -
left outside and was frozen/cracked???). Maybe Sheri can clear this
up further if need be. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com,
Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> Is this for the Calvus we talked about, or are they still going in
a 48"
> long tank?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of sheriartist57
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:43 AM
> To: AquaticLife@ <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Sorry,65 gal.Tall,new,stocking suggestions
>
>
>
> Thanks,Ray,I had the folks I am buying this from to measure it,and u
> were right on target.Sheri
> 65 Tall,36x18x25
> New,will possibly be planted.
> Thanks,Sheri
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25589 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
I can respect this difference in recommendations for stocking this
tank with proposed tankmates for the A. calvus. What works for some
does not always work for all. This suggestion may not necessarily
mean that mild-mannered Malawi's can't be mixed with like mannered
Tanganyika's, it often depends on how the tank is set up and can be
quite successful (and pleasing) at these times. Unlike Mbunba set
ups, such stockings need not (should not) lean towards the heavy side
in efforts to otherwise disperse aggression. Lighter stockings of
the mix will promote the "elbow room" that will lead to favorable
results, although I'm sure other hobbyists must have had less than
the best of results for them to recommend otherwise, perhaps due to
so many of the variables in their set ups.

Many of today's aquarists tend not to use any marine salt at all in
their Rift Lake tanks, with apparent success; many do use crushed
coral though, on the other hand. Its very fortunate to have tap
water of pH 7.8 when maintaining these African Cichlids, which can be
augmented with buffers (such as SeaChem's) developed for use in these
environments. I would agree that consistancy of parameters is very
important with keeping these fish since, evolving in a fixed
environment of hard/alkaline waters they do not take kindly to
fluctuation. I'm from the "old school" though, as one of the early
commercial importers of these fish back in the early ' 70's, and
although we relied solely on high pH water for short-term storage of
these fish in our holdimg tanks until shipped, the addition of marine
salts for long-term maintenance was always recommended and seen as
quite effectual in preserving these fishes' health. For increased
longevity, a pH higher than 7.8 has always been seen to be more
effective for the Tanganyika fish, although they can adapt to a
somewhat lower pH range if kept uniform, just so the pH is still in
the higher range; here the TDS goes a long ways with it also, which
is equally important to these fish. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> Well your Calvus are very mild-mannered. Except once a pair is
formed,
> another pair is unlikely to be tolerated in the same tank.
Sometimes people
> get lucky and a trio is formed, or maybe even two pair if the tank
is large
> enough.
>
>
> In fact, tankmates must be chosen with care so that the Calvus will
not be
> stressed and be able to compete for food.
>
>
> I do have a different approach than Ray on certain items: I do not
add
> marine salt or anything to my water. My tap is pH 7.8, but
consistency is
> more important than perfection (which would be more like the pH=8+
that Ray
> mentions).
>
>
> I would also stick with Tanganyikans and not add the Malawi to this
tank. I
> inquired about Peacocks as tankmates for Calvus when designing my
own tank,
> but people who had tried it did not recommend it.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sheriartist57
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:08 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
>
>
>
> Thanks for your advice,ray and Donna and everyone else.
> I have done some extensive research on both internet and books.I am
> simply not familiar with alot of the cyclids,as I have only been
> adding to my fish mania with less aggresive freshwater tropicals.I
> started again with some livebearers,a few koy and goldfish,as we are
> building a pond this summer,and wanted to get them past the baby
stage
> before I stocked it.
> My husband wanted an Oscar,who I enjoy thoroghly,and already had a
10"
> pleco for 7 years,who works very well with the oscar,but too big for
> any of my smaller fish.I have really gotten into this,have started
> collecting rainbows as I can acquire them,and have about 6 varieties
> of platies and guppies.I have also put together my first paludarium
> and today we did a 55 planted tank.I am home 99% time because of
> health issues,and we finally have the room in our new house for me
to
> explore this hobby fully.I spend more time in research than the
actual
> hands on,but enjoy it so very much.The only reason I sought this
site
> out was for the help with experienced aquarist.The books can be very
> informative,although somewhat generic.The only thing I hate is the
> drama in some of the forums.
> I guess u missed the part of my message where we had an ice incident
> because of increment weather,and I lost 2 large tanks one of which
was
> to be the setup for the Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin.I have planned
> to put the Inkfins in a 55long,but was just looking for ideas for a
60
> tall as well.
> I am very clear what this species is,and they are F1,but most of the
> info I have found via internet is about wild habitat,which I find
> fascinating,but not very helpful when it comes to a home aquarium.I
am
> hoping to get it set up soon as not be getting these for another
month
> or so.I want to find something compatable with their environmental
> needs,as I do hope to have a few out of 20 pair up and raise.
> I felt it might be best to introduce some of the other cichlids at
the
> same time,to help cut down on aggressive behaviour.I am enthralled
by
> them,but concerned about the aggresion issues.I would like to buy
them
> while still small enough to hopefully pair up these as well.
> Any advice from anyone is welcome,just please don't tell me my tanks
> are overstocked.I am working on that as quickly as I am able,and do
> very consistent water changes and huge filtration.Non of my tanks
has
> any balance problems,except the goldfish and koi,which will have to
> wait till spring to move those.Our pm outside temp has been in
single
> digits here since Christmas,so there is nothing I can do except keep
> up with water changes.
> I only have one angel,never owned discus or African Cichlids
before.I
> have 9 tanks at the present time,and some are species tanks with a
few
> community tanks.
> I wish we had a local aquatic club in our county,but don't as yet.
> Please feel free to send me any idea,I have already gained some
useful
> information which led me in the right direction for more research.
> Thanks,Sheri

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25590 From: hank voss Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Kate Conrow <k8hardy@...> wrote:

If the fish has a lot of blue body sheen its probably Inpaichthys
keeri (spelling could be off)
Hank
-------------------------------------------

> Thanks Lenny. That did have a couple I haven't seen in my searches.
There's one I ran into a while ago. It had color similar to an
Emperor but more blue and black. It was small and had a very blunt
face. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
> Kate
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25592 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
General rule of thumb is 1gal of water per 1" of fish(body not to
include fins).Do not forget gravel will take up some water area(
about 1/2 gal per small bag of gravel

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> wrote:
>
> Angel,
> It all depends on the size of these fish. I don't use small tanks
like
> the 10 or even a 20 now days.
> I like to let them swim around more like they originally would be
able to.
> The other part of missing data is what type of filtering do you
have
> hooked up?
> If too small a filter, the job of keeping the tank clean will be
more a
> headache than a hobby.
> I use Fluval larger ones like 403's and all my tanks (55Gal) have
two
> filters on them. there
> should be good surface agitation by way of a spray tube for the
return
> of the filter. This
> makes for very good oxygenation. Tanks and stands are pretty cheap
so
> those would allow you more
> fish due to the larger environment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
> Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago
> (708)334-2260
> Past Teac/Tascam Service Technician still doing repairs.
>
>
> Angel Phillips wrote:
> >
> > I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy in
> > there also.
> >
> >
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25593 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help with 60 gal tall,stocking
Sheri, Noticing your Pleco of 7 years has grown to no more than 10",
it would seem that its not the common Pleco many of us are familiar
with so I wouldn't think it will get much bigger. Even if stunted,
I'd think that a common Pleco would get larger than that after that
amount of time (that's much less than half the full size of the
common Pleco). Still, I would not add anything else to this tank
unless you plan to relocate this Pleco. Lots of luck with the pond,
BTW.

Keep up with the research, its invaluable; hands on experience will
come with time -- glad you're finding enjoyment in it, we've all
found it fulfilling and I think I can speak for any of us who are in
this hobby. I will have to agree that many books in the hobby are
generic, but still very worthwhile reading if only you pick up just
one or two valuable tid-bits that you never knew before. Of course.
books more to the particular subject of interest is always more
interesting.

I did miss that part originally about your losing two largetank due
to the weather. Sorry to hear about that, that's most unfortunate.
I have to assume they were outside (with water) and they froze(?).
The 55 would have been even better for the Inkfins, but they should
do alright in the one you have planned. While the info you've found
on them may relate to their wild habitat, at least some of this info
can come in handy when setting up the tank to suit them best.

I did just notice that you're expecting 20 A. calvus Inkfins. That's
quite a population of them -- the introduction of other species will
not disuade any aggression that may play out among their
conspecifics. They are not like Mbuna, which interact their
aggression with other species, except at breeding times. Even though
this species is not that aggressive, that's a fairly large crowd for
all of them competing for the same bottom space/rock-work area. For
good odds at attaining a pair, you only needed to purchase 6 of them,
mathematically giving you a 97% chance of getting at least one pair
from such a group -- I've been lucky enough to get 3 pairs at times
out of 6 individuals. Of course there's always the chance of getting
all one sex, although seven or eight individuals would have been more
than enough and probably would have resulted in multiple pairs.

You may be able to maintain two pairs in this tank, one pair at each
end with their own section of rock work. They may be more reluctant
to wander to each other's side, with an expanse of sandy substrate in
the center. You'll need to watch them all closely as they mature to
be ready to pull out all the extras , as breeding pairs will not
tolerate these straglers (loners) swimming within their territory.
You certainly won't be able to keep all of these.

Glad to see you already do consistant water changes. Keep in mind
though, that these fish do not especially like large water changes
that are much different than that of their tank parameters. Its best
to do smaller but regular water changes with them. Your one Angel
should not be put with them, in fact no New World Cichlid should be
kept with any Old World (in this case Tanganyika) Cichlid as they
don't understand each other's signals (of aggression, etc.), not to
mention their preferred differences in water parameters. Ray



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "sheriartist57"
<sheriartist57@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your advice,ray and Donna and everyone else.
> I have done some extensive research on both internet and books.I am
> simply not familiar with alot of the cyclids,as I have only been
> adding to my fish mania with less aggresive freshwater tropicals.I
> started again with some livebearers,a few koy and goldfish,as we are
> building a pond this summer,and wanted to get them past the baby
stage
> before I stocked it.
> My husband wanted an Oscar,who I enjoy thoroghly,and already had a
10"
> pleco for 7 years,who works very well with the oscar,but too big for
> any of my smaller fish.I have really gotten into this,have started
> collecting rainbows as I can acquire them,and have about 6 varieties
> of platies and guppies.I have also put together my first paludarium
> and today we did a 55 planted tank.I am home 99% time because of
> health issues,and we finally have the room in our new house for me
to
> explore this hobby fully.I spend more time in research than the
actual
> hands on,but enjoy it so very much.The only reason I sought this
site
> out was for the help with experienced aquarist.The books can be very
> informative,although somewhat generic.The only thing I hate is the
> drama in some of the forums.
> I guess u missed the part of my message where we had an ice incident
> because of increment weather,and I lost 2 large tanks one of which
was
> to be the setup for the Altolamprologus calvus Inkfin.I have planned
> to put the Inkfins in a 55long,but was just looking for ideas for a
60
> tall as well.
> I am very clear what this species is,and they are F1,but most of the
> info I have found via internet is about wild habitat,which I find
> fascinating,but not very helpful when it comes to a home aquarium.I
am
> hoping to get it set up soon as not be getting these for another
month
> or so.I want to find something compatable with their environmental
> needs,as I do hope to have a few out of 20 pair up and raise.
> I felt it might be best to introduce some of the other cichlids at
the
> same time,to help cut down on aggressive behaviour.I am enthralled
by
> them,but concerned about the aggresion issues.I would like to buy
them
> while still small enough to hopefully pair up these as well.
> Any advice from anyone is welcome,just please don't tell me my tanks
> are overstocked.I am working on that as quickly as I am able,and do
> very consistent water changes and huge filtration.Non of my tanks
has
> any balance problems,except the goldfish and koi,which will have to
> wait till spring to move those.Our pm outside temp has been in
single
> digits here since Christmas,so there is nothing I can do except keep
> up with water changes.
> I only have one angel,never owned discus or African Cichlids
before.I
> have 9 tanks at the present time,and some are species tanks with a
few
> community tanks.
> I wish we had a local aquatic club in our county,but don't as yet.
> Please feel free to send me any idea,I have already gained some
useful
> information which led me in the right direction for more research.
> Thanks,Sheri
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25594 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: elephant fish
can't seem to find anyone with that info but here's a cool page of
awesomw info
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gnathonemus_petersii.html

I have black ghost knife(55gal) also an electric fish. Will hand feed,
not sure about the elephant. We want to get one but will need to put it
in our 29gal IE two electric fish is a NO NO in same tank.



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way of telling a male and a female
> elephant fish apart? Also the common pleco? Thanks Diane
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25595 From: ED Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: elephant fish
Well look hard enough I will prevail. apparently the EOD=electrical
discharge is used to identify diff sexes

http://fish.mongabay.com/mormyridae.htm

'sunshine and Gentle Breezes'

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
>
> can't seem to find anyone with that info but here's a cool page of
> awesomw info
> http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gnathonemus_petersii.html
>
> I have black ghost knife(55gal) also an electric fish. Will hand
feed,
> not sure about the elephant. We want to get one but will need to
put it
> in our 29gal IE two electric fish is a NO NO in same tank.
>
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Diane" <diane_20007@> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if there is a way of telling a male and a female
> > elephant fish apart? Also the common pleco? Thanks Diane
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25596 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Inkfin Calvus
My inkfin's are going into a 55 long.They are only 1-2" long right
now.I haven't set up the tank for them yet,as it will still be a while
before I can travel to pick these up.They were originally part of a
group of 40,and I hope to be able to get 2 or three pairs,and will not
keep the rest.I was suprised to see his fry setup in a 20 gallon,with
just a few large rocks in it,no stacked rock or "caves".His adults
were,and he has had great success with these.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25597 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: The sound of glass breaking,ahhhh
I don't remember which site I read it on,but someone's quote was"It is
all fun and games until the glass breaks" We had 4"snow here,then about
3 hours of sleet,which was so heavy it sounded more like hail,then
freezing rain.Shortly after it stopped,our temp dove to 8',with
windchill of -5,and didn't get out of the teens for days.I know that
might not sound unusual,but it is for North Carolina.Our van slid on
the driveway,and broke the 55gal and a spare 10gal.All I could think
about was that quote,which just made me laugh.
I have bought a 55 long to put the calvus inkfins in,and the guy had a
60 tall as well.I just thought it might be fun to do a big tall
tank.Once I get these,and set them up,I won't be doing any others for
awhile,unless I can get an aquarium room built.ohhhahh
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25598 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: another introduction....newbie...
Oscar's are fun. So are fish like the Midas I adopted last week.

I am inclined to believe that a fish that is more or less raised by
itself tends to develop more personality because they need
interaction. When they are by themselves - the only interaction they
get is with humans. They learn that if they do funny stuff - they get
people to come around more.

IMO - you can probably cultivate a fun personality with most fish if
they are alone in a tank.

I have NOT read the other responses to your post yet - so I may be
saying what someone else already said ...

Good Luck!
Me - Randy

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rn_ple" <rpyle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone....
> I'm a person who has fallen in love with Oscars. We have one at
work.
> (i might even end up with him) He is an absolute character! Let me
hold
> off talking about that fish in fear of being named: Dances with
Fish.
>
> One big question I have is: Are Oscars or the Original Oscar
actually
> more personable and intelligent than other Cichlids?
>
> The reason I ask is I would rather keep size down some. But
personality
> is what it's all about to me. Would be nice to have something
smaller
> and prettier like a couple yellow labs. But again...the personality
is
> supreme.
>
> I'd like to keep my tank or tanks down to 50 gallon. But gee... if
I
> had that Oscar at work. I'd have to give him at least a 75 gallon
tank.
>
> Ron
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25599 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/29/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
Ed,

That rule only works for a small percentage of fish species... community
fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults and are torpedo shaped. It
does not work for nearly any other type of fish.

I personally call it the 1" fish killing rule since it's all over the
internet and is perpetuated by ill-informed fish/pet store employees and is
responsible for killing more fish except for maybe fish keepers lack of
knowledge of the nitrogen cycle. A simple example is that you cannot put a
10" Oscar or Goldfish in a 10G tank.

Here's my blog about "New guidelines to replace the 1" fish killing rule"
which tries to give some simple guidelines that will work for most fish.
http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-replace-1-per.
html If the link breaks, just go to my main blog link in my sig and it's
listed on the right side.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ED
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:50 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: RE:Help!

General rule of thumb is 1gal of water per 1" of fish(body not to include
fins).Do not forget gravel will take up some water area( about 1/2 gal per
small bag of gravel

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Sam Palermo <skywavebe@...> wrote:
>
> Angel,
> It all depends on the size of these fish. I don't use small tanks
like
> the 10 or even a 20 now days.
> I like to let them swim around more like they originally would be
able to.
> The other part of missing data is what type of filtering do you
have
> hooked up?
> If too small a filter, the job of keeping the tank clean will be
more a
> headache than a hobby.
> I use Fluval larger ones like 403's and all my tanks (55Gal) have
two
> filters on them. there
> should be good surface agitation by way of a spray tube for the
return
> of the filter. This
> makes for very good oxygenation. Tanks and stands are pretty cheap
so
> those would allow you more
> fish due to the larger environment.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
> Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago (708)334-2260 Past Teac/Tascam
> Service Technician still doing repairs.
>
>
> Angel Phillips wrote:
> >
> > I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy in
> > there also.
> >
> >
>
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25600 From: Kevin Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: 2 questions
1 will a beter female beta recover frm shock dramitc tempature change
in water and 2 how long does it take for a male beta fins to fully grow
back on average
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25601 From: theaquariumfish Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: The sound of glass breaking,ahhhh
I haven't been there (so far) but i can understand the fear of it!

I too am in NC and about a week ago they were saying we could get
over 4 inch of snow here ... the western NY part of me was saying
ONLY 4 inches - BUT the NC side of me went UH OH - no power back up
for my tanks ( a 210 gal - 3 90's - 2 56gal columns - and a 10 gal
grow out)

Thought I might have to buy a generator and some electric blankets to
keep my guys alive.

Has anyone been through a winter power outage?

from me,
Randy (southern Wake County NC)

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "sheriartist57"
<sheriartist57@...> wrote:
>
> I don't remember which site I read it on,but someone's quote
was"It is
> all fun and games until the glass breaks" We had 4"snow here,then
about
> 3 hours of sleet,which was so heavy it sounded more like hail,then
> freezing rain.Shortly after it stopped,our temp dove to 8',with
> windchill of -5,and didn't get out of the teens for days.I know
that
> might not sound unusual,but it is for North Carolina.Our van slid
on
> the driveway,and broke the 55gal and a spare 10gal.All I could
think
> about was that quote,which just made me laugh.
> I have bought a 55 long to put the calvus inkfins in,and the guy
had a
> 60 tall as well.I just thought it might be fun to do a big tall
> tank.Once I get these,and set them up,I won't be doing any others
for
> awhile,unless I can get an aquarium room built.ohhhahh
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25602 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
1. Dramatic temperature change is a common cause of an Ich infestation so
be on the lookout for that. Give us more details about what happened, how
the fish was acting before and how the fish is acting now.

2. This depends on how bad the fins were. Was the damage a result of fin
rot or nipping or ??? If the fins were damaged all the way down to the
pedicle, they may not grow back in that area.

I'm presuming from your two questions that you had the female and male
together and she was beating him up badly so you moved her to another
container with different water parameters. Let me know if that is correct?


If so, for other potential betta breeders, let this be a lesson that you
should keep both homes set up and running and they should have similar water
parameters prior to introducing the fish to the same tank. This way, if
things do not work out, which is common, you can separate them without
either fish suffering too much or suffering from osmoregulatory or
temperature shock.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:59 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] 2 questions

1 will a beter female beta recover frm shock dramitc tempature change in
water and 2 how long does it take for a male beta fins to fully grow back on
average


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25603 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
OMGOD I forgot that is with proper filtration IE.. Both under gravel
as well as a regular backside filter. You hopefully will excuse me
the wife is the one who ran the pet stores.
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
>
> General rule of thumb is 1gal of water per 1" of fish(body not to
> include fins).Do not forget gravel will take up some water area(
> about 1/2 gal per small bag of gravel
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Sam Palermo <skywavebe@> wrote:
> >
> > Angel,
> > It all depends on the size of these fish. I don't use small tanks
> like
> > the 10 or even a 20 now days.
> > I like to let them swim around more like they originally would be
> able to.
> > The other part of missing data is what type of filtering do you
> have
> > hooked up?
> > If too small a filter, the job of keeping the tank clean will be
> more a
> > headache than a hobby.
> > I use Fluval larger ones like 403's and all my tanks (55Gal) have
> two
> > filters on them. there
> > should be good surface agitation by way of a spray tube for the
> return
> > of the filter. This
> > makes for very good oxygenation. Tanks and stands are pretty
cheap
> so
> > those would allow you more
> > fish due to the larger environment.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
> > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago
> > (708)334-2260
> > Past Teac/Tascam Service Technician still doing repairs.
> >
> >
> > Angel Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy
in
> > > there also.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25604 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Help!
TY. Yeah my wife ran the pet stores and she let me know as well.
That's why I joined though to learn.
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>
> That rule only works for a small percentage of fish species...
community
> fish that stay under 3" as full grown adults and are torpedo
shaped. It
> does not work for nearly any other type of fish.
>
> I personally call it the 1" fish killing rule since it's all over
the
> internet and is perpetuated by ill-informed fish/pet store
employees and is
> responsible for killing more fish except for maybe fish keepers
lack of
> knowledge of the nitrogen cycle. A simple example is that you
cannot put a
> 10" Oscar or Goldfish in a 10G tank.
>
> Here's my blog about "New guidelines to replace the 1" fish killing
rule"
> which tries to give some simple guidelines that will work for most
fish.
> http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/new-rules-guidelines-to-
replace-1-per.
> html If the link breaks, just go to my main blog link in my sig
and it's
> listed on the right side.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of ED
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:50 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: RE:Help!
>
> General rule of thumb is 1gal of water per 1" of fish(body not to
include
> fins).Do not forget gravel will take up some water area( about 1/2
gal per
> small bag of gravel
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com> ,
> Sam Palermo <skywavebe@> wrote:
> >
> > Angel,
> > It all depends on the size of these fish. I don't use small tanks
> like
> > the 10 or even a 20 now days.
> > I like to let them swim around more like they originally would be
> able to.
> > The other part of missing data is what type of filtering do you
> have
> > hooked up?
> > If too small a filter, the job of keeping the tank clean will be
> more a
> > headache than a hobby.
> > I use Fluval larger ones like 403's and all my tanks (55Gal) have
> two
> > filters on them. there
> > should be good surface agitation by way of a spray tube for the
> return
> > of the filter. This
> > makes for very good oxygenation. Tanks and stands are pretty cheap
> so
> > those would allow you more
> > fish due to the larger environment.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Sam Palermo, Chief Engineer
> > Skywave Broadcast Engineering, Chicago (708)334-2260 Past
Teac/Tascam
> > Service Technician still doing repairs.
> >
> >
> > Angel Phillips wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot a Fish in my 10 gallon tank there is a fancytail guppy
in
> > > there also.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25605 From: ED Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Black Ghost Knife
Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed him this
morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs against
your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent creatures?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25606 From: whjordan83 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I succeccfully bred
them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By the time
I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has survived to
this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter what went on
to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the tanks
were not my focus at that time.

Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them up.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
>
> Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed him this
> morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs against
> your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent creatures?
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25607 From: Andreas Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
thats funny you got them to breed... most people say you can't have more
than one in a atank at a time as they will attack each other.... but I guess
they have to breed somehow :)

A

On Jan 30, 2008 4:31 PM, whjordan83 <whjordan83@...> wrote:

> I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I succeccfully bred
> them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By the time
> I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has survived to
> this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter what went on
> to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the tanks
> were not my focus at that time.
>
> Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them up.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>, "ED"
> <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed him this
> > morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs against
> > your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent creatures?
> >
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25608 From: in_my_mind19 Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: cichlid identification
I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to my
newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey body
and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he changes
colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of cichlid
he is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25609 From: blueyz75@charter.net Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: introductions
hello all! I've been looking for other groups to keep me occupied while I'm at work and found this one. Normally I'm on Koiphen but seems they are not busy enough on our slow nights.
I have a 7400 gallon pond with 10 koi and one resident goldfish and I have a goldfish downstairs too.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25610 From: Kevin Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
what happed was i had a male in with 4 females and his fins were fine
the day before and there were the avegage size and alost all are gone
evan the 2 seprat right nere here heard the other one femail was
alone in here tank so i dediced to move here to another thank one
with decent cold water the other with preaty worm watner and she has
almost like seazures swimming around crazy hiting here head on the
ground hitig the wall some tme hiting the top so on

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> 1. Dramatic temperature change is a common cause of an Ich
infestation so
> be on the lookout for that. Give us more details about what
happened, how
> the fish was acting before and how the fish is acting now.
>
> 2. This depends on how bad the fins were. Was the damage a result
of fin
> rot or nipping or ??? If the fins were damaged all the way down to
the
> pedicle, they may not grow back in that area.
>
> I'm presuming from your two questions that you had the female and
male
> together and she was beating him up badly so you moved her to
another
> container with different water parameters. Let me know if that is
correct?
>
>
> If so, for other potential betta breeders, let this be a lesson
that you
> should keep both homes set up and running and they should have
similar water
> parameters prior to introducing the fish to the same tank. This
way, if
> things do not work out, which is common, you can separate them
without
> either fish suffering too much or suffering from osmoregulatory or
> temperature shock.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:59 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] 2 questions
>
> 1 will a beter female beta recover frm shock dramitc tempature
change in
> water and 2 how long does it take for a male beta fins to fully
grow back on
> average
>
>
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> 10:20 PM
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25611 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 1/30/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
Well if the males fins disappeared in one day, it was likely due to one or
more of the females biting them off. You need to separate them but it may
be too late.

As to the female, it's probably a severe case of shock brought on by
improper or no acclimation from the warmer tank to the colder tank and most
fish do not recover from severe shock.

Go to my blog and on my page, "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near the top
are links to two online tutorials you should take to learn all of the basics
of fish keeping so you start doing things better in the future.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:10 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: 2 questions

what happed was i had a male in with 4 females and his fins were fine the
day before and there were the avegage size and alost all are gone evan the 2
seprat right nere here heard the other one femail was alone in here tank so
i dediced to move here to another thank one with decent cold water the other
with preaty worm watner and she has almost like seazures swimming around
crazy hiting here head on the ground hitig the wall some tme hiting the top
so on

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> 1. Dramatic temperature change is a common cause of an Ich
infestation so
> be on the lookout for that. Give us more details about what
happened, how
> the fish was acting before and how the fish is acting now.
>
> 2. This depends on how bad the fins were. Was the damage a result
of fin
> rot or nipping or ??? If the fins were damaged all the way down to
the
> pedicle, they may not grow back in that area.
>
> I'm presuming from your two questions that you had the female and
male
> together and she was beating him up badly so you moved her to
another
> container with different water parameters. Let me know if that is
correct?
>
>
> If so, for other potential betta breeders, let this be a lesson
that you
> should keep both homes set up and running and they should have
similar water
> parameters prior to introducing the fish to the same tank. This
way, if
> things do not work out, which is common, you can separate them
without
> either fish suffering too much or suffering from osmoregulatory or
> temperature shock.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Kevin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:59 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AquaticLife] 2 questions
>
> 1 will a beter female beta recover frm shock dramitc tempature
change in
> water and 2 how long does it take for a male beta fins to fully
grow back on
> average
>
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25612 From: Donna Ransome Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
What did the local pet store say he was?



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of in_my_mind19
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:07 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] cichlid identification



I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to my
newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey body
and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he changes
colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of cichlid
he is?





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25613 From: Carmen H Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
I'm not a pro either but a common one that matches that description
would be a convict cichlid...

Carmen

>
> I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
> been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to my
> newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey body
> and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he changes
> colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
> normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of cichlid
> he is?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25614 From: Carmen H Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
I forgot to add...my convict only goes super-pale when he's very
stressed out, otherwise he's a rich grey. So if it is a convict, his
colors should stabilize once he's settled in. If not, check water
quality, tank mates, etc...

Carmen


wrote:
> I'm not a pro either but a common one that matches that description
> would be a convict cichlid...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25615 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
I'll keep that(mysis shrimp) in mind. We also feed frozen brine but
he really prefers the blood worms.
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "whjordan83" <whjordan83@...>
wrote:
>
> I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I succeccfully
bred
> them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By the
time
> I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has survived to
> this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter what
went on
> to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the tanks
> were not my focus at that time.
>
> Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them up.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed him
this
> > morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs
against
> > your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent
creatures?
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25616 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Some of the articals I've read on the electrical fish say only one
per tank(perhaps thay mean diff species). But the elephant fish seems
to have a real problem in captivity, they tell sex by electrical
emissions, and when put in a tank they start sending other sex signal
IE males emit a female signal. I'm geussing they are still wild
caught. PLEASE what size tank? Planted? Other fish in tank? Temp? PH?
Any extra info would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to get another.
LOL. Our twin daughters saw it(BGK) in the store hours after it
arrived and purchased it for thier mother the next day after school.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Andreas <andreas1120@...> wrote:
>
> thats funny you got them to breed... most people say you can't have
more
> than one in a atank at a time as they will attack each other....
but I guess
> they have to breed somehow :)
>
> A
>
> On Jan 30, 2008 4:31 PM, whjordan83 <whjordan83@...> wrote:
>
> > I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I succeccfully
bred
> > them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By the
time
> > I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has survived
to
> > this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter what
went on
> > to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the
tanks
> > were not my focus at that time.
> >
> > Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them up.
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com>, "ED"
> > <crowstarwalker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed him
this
> > > morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs
against
> > > your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent
creatures?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25617 From: whjordan83 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
I started in a 29 gallon and havesince moved them to a 55. I know
this will soon be too small for the two. I have two 75 gallons I am
setting up so I will be able to split them soon. The articles are
correct when you read about keeping them together. When they were in
the 29, they would chase one another around, and what I assume would
be the male grew larger than the other. I keep densley planted tanks
with lots of drift and hiding places for them. I have had them for
almost two years each. As far as wild caught I cannot say, I would
assume they were, but I have done some research on them and
discoveredthat there are a small number of people who have
successfully bred them, but not enough for a commercial scale.

Naturally they thrive in low light, usually a noctournal species. I
have low light grow lamps on my tanks for the plants. As far as
plant species go, I try and stick to easy growing plants from the
amaon region, where the fish are from. Swords of all types work
great, and some others that are not from the region like the Anubias
and java fern species. I had other fish with them at one time, but
eventually they made bite size snacks of them. When they are smaller
they will do fine with tetra species that are non-agressive, but
eventually they will eat things that can fit in their mouths. I
still keep some assorted cory catfish with them. I know of other
people that have been able to keep angelfish with them in large tanks
as well as discus. I have not experimented with either of these, but
I can see how discus would work good since they both require the same
water condtions and are both sensitive to water quality.

I have also adapted freeze dried river shrimp and baby shrimp into
the diet. Occasionally I feed them things like beef heart an brine
shrimp. Hands down though they love thosefrozen blood worms and
freeze dried mysis shrimp.

The elephant nose is not a good tank companion though. I'm not sure
of many fish that do work with them. I have had them in the past but
they never seem to work out in the long run, they make everything in
the tank nervous.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
>
> Some of the articals I've read on the electrical fish say only one
> per tank(perhaps thay mean diff species). But the elephant fish
seems
> to have a real problem in captivity, they tell sex by electrical
> emissions, and when put in a tank they start sending other sex
signal
> IE males emit a female signal. I'm geussing they are still wild
> caught. PLEASE what size tank? Planted? Other fish in tank? Temp?
PH?
> Any extra info would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to get
another.
> LOL. Our twin daughters saw it(BGK) in the store hours after it
> arrived and purchased it for thier mother the next day after school.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Andreas <andreas1120@> wrote:
> >
> > thats funny you got them to breed... most people say you can't
have
> more
> > than one in a atank at a time as they will attack each other....
> but I guess
> > they have to breed somehow :)
> >
> > A
> >
> > On Jan 30, 2008 4:31 PM, whjordan83 <whjordan83@> wrote:
> >
> > > I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I
succeccfully
> bred
> > > them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By the
> time
> > > I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has
survived
> to
> > > this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter what
> went on
> > > to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the
> tanks
> > > were not my focus at that time.
> > >
> > > Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them
up.
> > >
> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "ED"
> > > <crowstarwalker@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed
him
> this
> > > > morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating. Rubs
> against
> > > > your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent
> creatures?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25618 From: Kate Conrow Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Tetras and other little guys
Not much of a sheen. The blue was a very powdery blue.
Kate

hank voss <aatetras@...> wrote:
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Kate Conrow <k8hardy@...> wrote:

If the fish has a lot of blue body sheen its probably Inpaichthys
keeri (spelling could be off)
Hank
-------------------------------------------

> Thanks Lenny. That did have a couple I haven't seen in my searches.
There's one I ran into a while ago. It had color similar to an
Emperor but more blue and black. It was small and had a very blunt
face. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
> Kate
>

>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25619 From: ED Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
Awesome TY again for the info. Ours is in a 55gal now with a 3
angels, a pleco , a bala shark and a couple green corys. They all get
along accept the BGK chases the pleco out of his hiding places
sometimes. We are looking for a 75 or larger tank. I'm discussing
with a custom tank maker about making a 150 myself. Ours is planted
with swords, java, and anacaris(the angels seem to like it). We have
3 more angels in a 29 right now we are wanting to move to the 55 when
they are bug enough. I noticed this morning he ate well BUT his color
was faded about 3/4 of the front of his body.

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "whjordan83" <whjordan83@...>
wrote:
>
> I started in a 29 gallon and havesince moved them to a 55. I know
> this will soon be too small for the two. I have two 75 gallons I
am
> setting up so I will be able to split them soon. The articles are
> correct when you read about keeping them together. When they were
in
> the 29, they would chase one another around, and what I assume
would
> be the male grew larger than the other. I keep densley planted
tanks
> with lots of drift and hiding places for them. I have had them for
> almost two years each. As far as wild caught I cannot say, I would
> assume they were, but I have done some research on them and
> discoveredthat there are a small number of people who have
> successfully bred them, but not enough for a commercial scale.
>
> Naturally they thrive in low light, usually a noctournal species.
I
> have low light grow lamps on my tanks for the plants. As far as
> plant species go, I try and stick to easy growing plants from the
> amaon region, where the fish are from. Swords of all types work
> great, and some others that are not from the region like the
Anubias
> and java fern species. I had other fish with them at one time, but
> eventually they made bite size snacks of them. When they are
smaller
> they will do fine with tetra species that are non-agressive, but
> eventually they will eat things that can fit in their mouths. I
> still keep some assorted cory catfish with them. I know of other
> people that have been able to keep angelfish with them in large
tanks
> as well as discus. I have not experimented with either of these,
but
> I can see how discus would work good since they both require the
same
> water condtions and are both sensitive to water quality.
>
> I have also adapted freeze dried river shrimp and baby shrimp into
> the diet. Occasionally I feed them things like beef heart an brine
> shrimp. Hands down though they love thosefrozen blood worms and
> freeze dried mysis shrimp.
>
> The elephant nose is not a good tank companion though. I'm not
sure
> of many fish that do work with them. I have had them in the past
but
> they never seem to work out in the long run, they make everything
in
> the tank nervous.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@> wrote:
> >
> > Some of the articals I've read on the electrical fish say only
one
> > per tank(perhaps thay mean diff species). But the elephant fish
> seems
> > to have a real problem in captivity, they tell sex by electrical
> > emissions, and when put in a tank they start sending other sex
> signal
> > IE males emit a female signal. I'm geussing they are still wild
> > caught. PLEASE what size tank? Planted? Other fish in tank? Temp?
> PH?
> > Any extra info would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to get
> another.
> > LOL. Our twin daughters saw it(BGK) in the store hours after it
> > arrived and purchased it for thier mother the next day after
school.
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Andreas <andreas1120@> wrote:
> > >
> > > thats funny you got them to breed... most people say you can't
> have
> > more
> > > than one in a atank at a time as they will attack each
other....
> > but I guess
> > > they have to breed somehow :)
> > >
> > > A
> > >
> > > On Jan 30, 2008 4:31 PM, whjordan83 <whjordan83@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a large tank with these guys, back in May I
> succeccfully
> > bred
> > > > them. Not sure what specifics I used to accomplish this. By
the
> > time
> > > > I realized it I only had two offspring left and one has
> survived
> > to
> > > > this day. I wish I had the opportunity to see and moniter
what
> > went on
> > > > to get them to breed, but I had a death in the family and the
> > tanks
> > > > were not my focus at that time.
> > > >
> > > > Also try frozen and freeze dried mysis shrimp, mine tear them
> up.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <AquaticLife%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "ED"
> > > > <crowstarwalker@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Absolutily the coolest fish I've ever known. I got to feed
> him
> > this
> > > > > morning ( blood worms-frozen ). OMGOD Aggressive eating.
Rubs
> > against
> > > > > your hand. Does anyone else own one of these magnificent
> > creatures?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25620 From: jviswakula Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Aquarium Network /Auction/Webstore
Hello All,

This is a follow up on a post I made about the launch of
http://www.Finvillage.com the Aquarium and Aquaculture related social
and business networking website. We are now offering auction style
paypal enabled webstores for members. For fish clubs we offer a
password protected free webstore so that you can sell special
discounted items only to your members(please message me for more details).

Cheers to all,

Jinen
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25621 From: in_my_mind19 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
They just said that he is a 'small cichlid' no identification at
all


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@...>
wrote:
>
> What did the local pet store say he was?
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of in_my_mind19
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:07 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] cichlid identification
>
>
>
> I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
> been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to
my
> newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey
body
> and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he
changes
> colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
> normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of
cichlid
> he is?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25622 From: Di Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Just uploaded a few new pics
Hi All
Just update some pics of the new fish we are getting into check Greenz
Fish album they should be approved soon.

;) Di
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25623 From: coryswalter Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Thoughts on Skilters
I'm getting ready to start up my 55 gallon aquarium as a living
reef...no fish for quite a while. We were told to look at getting a
skilter......please give me your thoughts and experiences and advice
on them.......also what HP should we get for a 55 gal. tank? Thanks
in advance....Cory
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25624 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Re: 2 questions
I do not have any long term experience,but I have had four for several
months now.Two had fin rot,and I put them in a hospital tank.I thought
for sure the one with all of his tail and some of his fins wouldn't
make it,but now after dosing him with some meds then adding a small
amount of aqua salt to their tank gradually,he is looking so much
better,his color and tail/fins are growing.I can see the change almost
daily.I took them out of a nasty bowl,split up two 10 gallon tanks,and
kept up with the meds once a day.I had reduced the water slightly so
the meds would be a little easier to concentrate.
I have found bettas to be extremely hardy,I think that is the only
reason they make it in a bowl which quickly becomes a sewer.I have
vowed never to subject them to that,at least a five gallon,a ten is so
much easier to keep up with and only two fish at that.
I have had them in unheated tanks,and heated,and mine seem to thrive a
little better with at least the heat from an aquatic tank.
I had to really clean the filter and change the airtubes
afterwards.Hope u get urs thru this.I will never buy another,no matter
how beautiful they are,but I didn't want to lose the ones I had.--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <kev48us@...> wrote:
>
> 1 will a beter female beta recover frm shock dramitc tempature change
> in water and 2 how long does it take for a male beta fins to fully grow
> back on average
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25625 From: sheriartist57 Date: 1/31/2008
Subject: Gourami valium
Haha,I have moved the gourami's that I had that were so agressive to a
55 gallon planted tank with 2 spendid rainbows and three full grown
giant malabar danios.The danios were racing all over the place when I
would walk in the room,and I did find the shyest one dead today.The
rainbows have been schooling with the danios,and to slow them down a
bit,I added some floating plants.The gouramis love this,and it has
slowed the danios down.Maybe they can't see me as well when I walk in.
Someone had these in with Goldfish,it is a wonder they survived at
all.As soon as the ground thaws,we are putting in a pond.My little
goldfish and koi are small enough to have in a tank still,but the big
goldfish I adopted will never do well except in a pond.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25626 From: ED Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
cool link to geographic thought some might like it




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/photogalleries/amphibian
-pictures/index.html?email=Focus01Feb08
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25627 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Hi All!

I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent fish,
the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other cichlids.


Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25628 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Hi! From what you describe it really does sound like a convict
cichlid. Make sure he has plenty of room (you will be able to tell
the difference in sex in no time, they hit sexual maturity very
quickly. The male will have a longer pointier dorsal fin and the
female will get orange spots on her side when she is ready to breed.
If you do have a pair, make sure you have them in a pretty big tank,
especially if you have other cichlids in it. When they start to
breed, they are very very protective parents. (Picture a full sized
adult Oscar being bullied by a 4 inch Convict). It is a great
experience to see the brooding and watch the babies develop. A
downfall is that you end up with tons of fish. They are very prolific
breeders. I kept convicts for a while, my fish had this wonderful
purple color to the grey body color. They are definitely interesting
fish and a good starter cichlid.

jenn
> >
> > I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
> > been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to
> my
> > newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey
> body
> > and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he
> changes
> > colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
> > normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of
> cichlid
> > he is?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25629 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Hi All!

I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent fish,
the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other cichlids.


Any info would be greatly appreciated!

Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25630 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Adding a store to the LFS section
Hi, I wanted to add my favorite store but there is no folder for
Pittsburgh, PA. How do I do it?

jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25631 From: Kate Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every single
fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
too. This is terrible!
Kate
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25632 From: William Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Aren't there enough hybrid fish in the world now without putting more
on here. And if you do get lucky are you sure that you can give them
all proper homes? Are are you just interested in seeing if you can do
this? If you belong to an aquarium club , most will not give you any
breeders award points for breeding hybrids. In my opinion the Asians
that are producing these fish are artificially raising them where
they will take the eggs and sperm from the fish without the adults
actually seeing one another and raising the young apart for either
parent. That is only my opinion.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent
fish,
> the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
cichlids.
>
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Jenn
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25633 From: jason horyak Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: requesting recommendations
I just bought a tank 75 gallon . I am thinking of mainly a maybe a south american tank with plecos and possible discus in the future or maybe angels. I have three other set ups going with various fish and all are well but I am wondering what is the best filtration for this new one. there are a million options and I have always gone with undergravel with hang on back at the same time. these have been economical and work really with with a little upkeep. any recommendations on filtration and substrate for these type fish is appreciated.
jason





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25634 From: Amy Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Turbo Snails
How many turbo snails can I place in a 72 gallon tank? Is there any
other beginner algea eater that I can try? The tank currently houses a
very large Turbo, a juvenile lionfish, a juve snowflake eel, 5 damsels,
and a long tentacle anemone.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25635 From: Carmen H Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
OMG what a nightmare! Thank goodness the kitties are all right but
everyone else, what an awful loss :-( I feel so bad for you :-(
Carmen

On Feb 1, 2008 4:23 PM, Kate <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25636 From: jason horyak Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
ahhhh no joke, I am not a cat fan but dang those fish had to die, IS THERE NO JESUS! Seriously I am sorry for your loss and I hope you can come back bigger and better.

Carmen H <eskielists@...> wrote: OMG what a nightmare! Thank goodness the kitties are all right but
everyone else, what an awful loss :-( I feel so bad for you :-(
Carmen

On Feb 1, 2008 4:23 PM, Kate <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25637 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
William I agree.



One of the Aquarium Societies I belong to will not ALLOW them to be sold or traded. 


If you have ever been on aquabid and looked in the frankenfish, er make that flowerhorn section, there are hundreds of these and people only bid on maybe 5 out of hundreds.

I have a parked site that I need to make a web page for soon.

No-Hybrid-Cichlids.

-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: William <dreammaker2623@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots







Aren't there enough hybrid fish in the world now without putting more
on here. And if you do get lucky are you sure that you can give them
all proper homes? Are are you just interested in seeing if you can do
this? If you belong to an aquarium club , most will not give you any
breeders award points for breeding hybrids. In my opinion the Asians
that are producing these fish are artificially raising them where
they will take the eggs and sperm from the fish without the adults
actually seeing one another and raising the young apart for either
parent. That is only my opinion.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent
fish,
> the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
cichlids.
>
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Jenn
>





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25638 From: exquisitebeauty1976 Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: advice please
my 30 gal tank has finally finished cycling (after much touch and go
in the early stages). I have a few live plants, plan to add more in
the near future and plenty of rocky hiding places. Currently I house 3
zebra danios, 3 white cloud danios, a chinese algae eater and a female
betta. I'd like to add a few more fish sort of as center pieces, but
I'm not sure if I should or if I do, what species would be welcomed in
this tank. Any suggestions??

Thanks,
Rika
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25639 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
I have one, too. Over the years, I have managed to grow one to about 10
inches. They are fun to watch and feed. As they get older, I add small
mealworms to their diet of frozen bloodworms and chopped earthworms. I've
only had one at a time, so I have no idea how they breed.

  
Gregg Bender
Owned by The Barks Brothers, four professional woofers.
www.nvsr.org

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25640 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: advice please
The CAE grows to 10"-11" so it is too big (or will be) for your tank and you
should make plans to re-home it so it does not get stunted and they are also
reported to get very aggressive to tank mates as they mature.
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Gyrinocheilus_aymonieri.html

Are the "white cloud danio's" actually WCMM's (white cloud mountain
minnows)? If they are the WCMM's, are they schooling with the zebra
danio's? I would think not and if they aren't, then you should fill out the
schools (6) on both of them and try to have at least two females for each
male to limit the chasing/nipping when mating calls.
WCMM's- http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Tanichthys_albonubes.html
Zebra Danio's - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Brachydanio_rerio.html

They both grow to 2" to 2.5" so with 12 of them and the female betta, you
are approaching suggested stocking limits. You could add a single Gourami
as a larger "center piece" fish, or a pair of dwarf gourami's, if you rehome
the CAE. That would definitely max out the suggested stocking and be a
little over but since your tank is planted, that will help compensate.

Also, the danio's and WCMM's are cooler water fish, even though the zebra
danio's are often sold as tropical's, so if you are going to mix them with
tropical's, make sure to keep the temperature down near the bottom of the
tropical scale... around 75F, which is the suggested top end temp for cooler
water fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of exquisitebeauty1976
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] advice please

my 30 gal tank has finally finished cycling (after much touch and go in the
early stages). I have a few live plants, plan to add more in the near future
and plenty of rocky hiding places. Currently I house 3 zebra danios, 3 white
cloud danios, a chinese algae eater and a female betta. I'd like to add a
few more fish sort of as center pieces, but I'm not sure if I should or if I
do, what species would be welcomed in this tank. Any suggestions??

Thanks,
Rika


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25641 From: Donna Ransome Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
So sorry for your losses. : (



_____

From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:23 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to
vent



Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every single
fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
too. This is terrible!
Kate





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25642 From: bmp Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
I'm so sorry for your losses. I would have cried too.
I am glad your cats are okay. Most of all, I hope your
heating/cooling system will be fixed and not
malfunction again!

Beverly

--- Kate <k8hardy@...> wrote:

> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and
> when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100
> degrees and every single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish
> and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour.
> I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My
> cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate


Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25643 From: Jenn Date: 2/1/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Wow, OK....geez, sorry to offend...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25644 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
neat stuff! (My daughter totally freaked out thinking it was something I was looking at as a potential pet ;) I had to explain that they are for zoos only.)

.......But life goes on and it gets better... and when it doesn't get better, there's always tequila.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25645 From: Helen Pattskyn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
I am so sorry to hear that, Kate! I always have these horrible fears that bad things will happen when I'm not home.... I'm so sorry it did for you.

~Helen


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25646 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Hi Jenn, While you need not feel as though you've offended anyone
here, by some of the replies you can see that some hobbyists can be
quite passionate about the hobby when it comes to hybrid fish such as
Blood Parrots. I too am included in that sector of hobbyists.

In reply to your request for more information on these fish, all's I
can say is for you to please refer back what you wrote in your very
next post to someone using a Group Site name of "in_my_mind"
(unfortunately they chose not to sign it), when they were looking for
an identification for their Convict Cichlids. You wrote: "A DOWNFALL
is that you end up with tons of fish." Please consider that for a
moment, when applying that to what you're considering.

At best, Blood Parrots are popular with only a very small portion of
Aquarium keepers (I can't call them "aquarists"), so for starters, its
going to be very difficult in getting rid of most of them. Secondly,
this hobby does not need any additional "mongrel" fish; keeping fish
species pure and as close to their natural counterparts in the wild is
so much more desirable and rewarding. Since you appear to have some
experience with Cichlids, I'd recommend trying to breed a species
(perhaps Severum, since you mentioned them) which you've also been
interested in; one that you haven't bred before, as you'll find that
the challenge is well worth it when you succeed. Best of Luck, Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent fish,
> the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
cichlids.
>
>
> Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Jenn
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25647 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
While very little is written on this subject, from what I've come to
understand you're absolutely right in that these fish are
artificially bred for the most part, similar to how they breed trout
and salmon in the various gamefish hatcheries. This goes for the
Blood Parrots as well as the many different varieties of Flowerhorns
(using all kinds of unnatural combinations). These fish would be
reluctant to breed with each other in the aquarium for the most part,
if they were left to themselves to do so, even though there
are "natural hybrids" occurring in the wild when people join two
different rivers with a canal (as done in locations of Central
America). Such hybrids will almost always prove to be infertile or
at the most be comparatively quite weak in the wild when competing
with true species, fortunately, but is still detrimental to the
established populations as a whole. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William" <dreammaker2623@...>
wrote:
>
> Aren't there enough hybrid fish in the world now without putting
more
> on here. And if you do get lucky are you sure that you can give
them
> all proper homes? Are are you just interested in seeing if you can
do
> this? If you belong to an aquarium club , most will not give you
any
> breeders award points for breeding hybrids. In my opinion the
Asians
> that are producing these fish are artificially raising them where
> they will take the eggs and sperm from the fish without the adults
> actually seeing one another and raising the young apart for either
> parent. That is only my opinion.
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> > cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent
> fish,
> > the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> > past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
> cichlids.
> >
> >
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Jenn
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25648 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Kate, I'm so sorry to hear of your losses; you have my sympathies.
Many of us have experienced something similar when a thermostat stuck
on a heater (which is avoidable if using two), but for something like
this to happen when its beyond your control is very unfortunate. Its
just good that the cats came through this alright.

While it will not bring these fish back, if you live in a house I'm
quite sure your Homeowners Insurance should cover the monetary losses
adding it in to the heating repairs. If you live in an apartment, you
should present the landlord will an itemized bill, to be deducted from
your next month's rent. Try to put this behind you if you can -- we
hate to see you as upset as you must be. Our hearts go out to you. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every
single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25649 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Helen,

Would that be called Home-aphobia?

Sorry... couldn't resist! ;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Helen Pattskyn
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:50 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have
to vent

I am so sorry to hear that, Kate! I always have these horrible fears that
bad things will happen when I'm not home.... I'm so sorry it did for you.

~Helen

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25650 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
We had a large pair of parrot cichlids at the store
once, I always hated selling these, only time I ever
got them in was when we advertised them in our add on
sale. But this pair I felt bad for as they always
tried to breed, and none of the eggs would hatch, We
sold them off as a pair as they were in fishy "love"
but with the new owners knowing they would not get
young from these guys. Part of the problem with
hybrids, they are not a natural species, guess its
mother natures way of saying you are not natural, you
are not allowed to reproduce.

~Melissa

--- Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
wrote:

> While very little is written on this subject, from
> what I've come to
> understand you're absolutely right in that these
> fish are
> artificially bred for the most part, similar to how
> they breed trout
> and salmon in the various gamefish hatcheries. This
> goes for the
> Blood Parrots as well as the many different
> varieties of Flowerhorns
> (using all kinds of unnatural combinations). These
> fish would be
> reluctant to breed with each other in the aquarium
> for the most part,
> if they were left to themselves to do so, even
> though there
> are "natural hybrids" occurring in the wild when
> people join two
> different rivers with a canal (as done in locations
> of Central
> America). Such hybrids will almost always prove to
> be infertile or
> at the most be comparatively quite weak in the wild
> when competing
> with true species, fortunately, but is still
> detrimental to the
> established populations as a whole. Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "William"
> <dreammaker2623@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Aren't there enough hybrid fish in the world now
> without putting
> more
> > on here. And if you do get lucky are you sure that
> you can give
> them
> > all proper homes? Are are you just interested in
> seeing if you can
> do
> > this? If you belong to an aquarium club , most
> will not give you
> any
> > breeders award points for breeding hybrids. In my
> opinion the
> Asians
> > that are producing these fish are artificially
> raising them where
> > they will take the eggs and sperm from the fish
> without the adults
> > actually seeing one another and raising the young
> apart for either
> > parent. That is only my opinion.
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn"
> <jennhonaker1974@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed
> for blood parrot
> > > cichlids? My main question would be does it
> matter which parent
> > fish,
> > > the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or
> the female? I have
> > > past experience breeding everything from live
> bearers to other
> > cichlids.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any info would be greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Jenn
> > >
> >
>
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25651 From: AquaticLife™ Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Kate,

My condolences on your loss, that is very sad to hear. If you have any
favorite pics that you would like to share I would gladly put them on
the groups home page in memory of your wet pets. I am glad your cats
survived.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came
home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every
single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25653 From: Widi Rahman Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: new tips
i have new tips for koi fish

to know all about koi fish please visit
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25654 From: wil Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Nano fish
I'm looking for 6 Nano fish. I would like something very Odd looking.
Willing to pay $30 or less. Must be easy to take care of.

Wil
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25655 From: Jenn Date: 2/2/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
> Thanks to everyone that replied. I understand that they are hybrids
and that they are "unnatural" but they happen to be a fish that I
really like. I didn't the first time that I saw them but I came to
realize that they are very active, personable, funny fish. I
understand being passionate about what you love, I just felt a little
cornered by the responses that I got.

If I were to breed, it would be mainly for myself. I do not belong to
an aquarium society, although I know there is one in Pittsburgh. I
do have enough fish keeping friends that I could find suitable homes
for them. (I also work part time at a store that specializes in
freshwater and saltwater fish, demand for the blood parrots in this
area is pretty good so I could always give them to the store.)

As far as the Convict "downfall" of having lots of babies, I mean that
if the person wasn't planning on breeding so she wasn't shocked at how
very, very prolific cichlids are...If he/she planned on breeding, it's
a great fish to start with. Convicts were my first cichlids.

I am currently keeping rainbow fish but have had various South
American cichlids in the past and I find myself missing them.

Now, if anyone has any websites or books they would recommend for
rainbows (that I will not even attempt to breed, they seem like a very
tedious fish to breed.)or even any that are available in the fish
trade that you think I should check out, I would appreciate that. So
far I have: Turquoise, Bosemani, Red Iraim, Axelrods, Australian,
preacox, and some that I don't know the name of. I was told they are
pretty new in the fish trade, the associate couldn't find the shipment
forms but he said he thought they were "zig zag" rainbows or something
like that.

Thanks everyone.

jenn












> In reply to your request for more information on these fish, all's I
> can say is for you to please refer back what you wrote in your very
> next post to someone using a Group Site name of "in_my_mind"
> (unfortunately they chose not to sign it), when they were looking for
> an identification for their Convict Cichlids. You wrote: "A DOWNFALL
> is that you end up with tons of fish." Please consider that for a
> moment, when applying that to what you're considering.
>
> At best, Blood Parrots are popular with only a very small portion of
> Aquarium keepers (I can't call them "aquarists"), so for starters, its
> going to be very difficult in getting rid of most of them. Secondly,
> this hobby does not need any additional "mongrel" fish; keeping fish
> species pure and as close to their natural counterparts in the wild is
> so much more desirable and rewarding. Since you appear to have some
> experience with Cichlids, I'd recommend trying to breed a species
> (perhaps Severum, since you mentioned them) which you've also been
> interested in; one that you haven't bred before, as you'll find that
> the challenge is well worth it when you succeed. Best of Luck, Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> > cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent fish,
> > the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> > past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
> cichlids.
> >
> >
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Jenn
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25656 From: Deenerz@aol.com Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Hi Jenn.


_http://bowheads.org/_ (http://bowheads.org/)

_http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/index.htm_
(http://www.australianrainbowfish.com/index.htm)

_http://www.angfa.org.au/index.html_ (http://www.angfa.org.au/index.html)

_http://www.rainbowfish.info/_ (http://www.rainbowfish.info/)

_http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/r_m_l/_
(http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/r_m_l/)


-Mike


In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:13:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
jennhonaker1974@... writes:

Now, if anyone has any websites or books they would recommend for
rainbows (that I will not even attempt to breed, they seem like a very
tedious fish to breed.)or even any that are available in the fish
trade that you think I should check out, I would appreciate that. So
far I have: Turquoise, Bosemani, Red Iraim, Axelrods, Australian,
preacox, and some that I don't know the name of. I was told they are
pretty new in the fish trade, the associate couldn't find the shipment
forms but he said he thought they were "zig zag" rainbows or something
like that.

Thanks everyone.

jenn






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25657 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Jenn, Some excellent Rainbowfish books I'd recommend for your
consideration are these following publications which, although out of
print, may be found on eBay from time to time and are well worth
looking for; I have these in my library:

(1) "Rainbowfishes in Nature and in the Aquarium" by Dr. Gerald R'.
Allen (1995 Tetra Press). Exceedingly good reference book.

(2) "Rainbowfishes of Australia and Papua New Guinea" by Dr. Gerald
R. Allen & Norbert J. Cross (1982 T.F.H. Publications) HIGHLY
recommended; Dr. Allen is THE world reknown expert on Rainbowfish.

(3) "Australian Native Fishes" by Ray Leggett and John R. Merrick
(1987 J.R. Merrick Publications) Covers a wide variety of Australian
fishes, including many Rainbowfish; the authors are well-recognized
authorities on Australian aquatic fauna.

(4) "Rainbowfishes - Keeping & Breeding Them in Captivity" by Derek
Lambert ( 1998 T.F.H. Publications) Excellent 64 page softcover book
with much information and photos.

(5) "Rainbowfishes I D - Care and Breeding" by G.R. Allen (1996).

The "Zig Zag" Rainbowfish you mention is Dority's Rainbowfish
(Glossolepis dorityi); its basically a silver fish, but has
attractive horizontal red zig-zag stripes, mostly in the lower half
of the fish. The females are primarily silver. While they're
peaceful, they can get up to 8" after time, several inches larger
than the ones you kept before.

One very important thing to keep in mind if ordering Rainbowfish
sight unseen, is that many of these species come from different
locations. The colorations of these same species can vary immensely
from location to location, so its imperative to specify the location
of your choice, if you have any particular ones in mind. Since
you're asking, Rainbowfish I'd recommend for you to check out, which
are found in the trade are; (Chequered Rainbowfish (Melanotaenia
splendida inornata) - this species is very variable, with the best
colored sub-species being "inornata", Lake Wanam Rainbowfish
(Glossolepis wanamenisis), Banded Rainbowfish (Melanotaenia
trifasciata Goyder River) - the Goyer River location of this species
is the best by far, MacCulloch's Rainbowfish, also known as Red-
Finned Rainbowfish and Dwarf 7-Lined Rainbowfish (Melanotaenia
maccullochi) - called "Dwarf" at times as it gets to no more than 3"
(still much larger than M. praecox).

The best variety of M. maccullochi comes from the northern part of
the Cape York peninsula of Australia, with the second best colored
ones coming from Papua, New Guinea. The variety found near Cairns is
also quite colorful, but those found elsewhere in the State of
Queensland are not as attractive. This is the first Rainbowfish I
started out with in 1954, and which I again kept about 8 or 10 years
ago, and its one I'd highly recommend, provided you find the right
variety (they can knock your socks off). Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...>
wrote:
>
>
> > Thanks to everyone that replied.
>
> I am currently keeping rainbow fish but have had various South
> American cichlids in the past and I find myself missing them.
>
> Now, if anyone has any websites or books they would recommend for
> rainbows (that I will not even attempt to breed, they seem like a
very
> tedious fish to breed.)or even any that are available in the fish
> trade that you think I should check out, I would appreciate that.
So
> far I have: Turquoise, Bosemani, Red Iraim, Axelrods, Australian,
> preacox, and some that I don't know the name of. I was told they are
> pretty new in the fish trade, the associate couldn't find the
shipment
> forms but he said he thought they were "zig zag" rainbows or
something
> like that.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> jenn
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > In reply to your request for more information on these fish,
all's I
> > can say is for you to please refer back what you wrote in your
very
> > next post to someone using a Group Site name of "in_my_mind"
> > (unfortunately they chose not to sign it), when they were looking
for
> > an identification for their Convict Cichlids. You wrote: "A
DOWNFALL
> > is that you end up with tons of fish." Please consider that for
a
> > moment, when applying that to what you're considering.
> >
> > At best, Blood Parrots are popular with only a very small portion
of
> > Aquarium keepers (I can't call them "aquarists"), so for
starters, its
> > going to be very difficult in getting rid of most of them.
Secondly,
> > this hobby does not need any additional "mongrel" fish; keeping
fish
> > species pure and as close to their natural counterparts in the
wild is
> > so much more desirable and rewarding. Since you appear to have
some
> > experience with Cichlids, I'd recommend trying to breed a species
> > (perhaps Severum, since you mentioned them) which you've also
been
> > interested in; one that you haven't bred before, as you'll find
that
> > the challenge is well worth it when you succeed. Best of Luck,
Ray
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All!
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood
parrot
> > > cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which
parent fish,
> > > the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I
have
> > > past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
> > cichlids.
> > >
> > >
> > > Any info would be greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Jenn
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25658 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
I can see why you're so upset! I would be, too. I'm very sorry to hear about
that.

My worst day I had recently was the day my arowana totally disappeared..
permanently. Considering he (?) was about 8 inches long, that was quite a
feat. I do have four Shelties, and we never found the body...I keep
wondering if someone had arowana sushi for lunch that day...

Gregg Bender
Owned by The Barks Brothers, four professional woofers.
www.nvsr.org

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25659 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
I put a female betta in the tank. The fish guy told me she could go
in a community tank (well, not just her, but female bettas in
general). I waited. I put in three neon tetras. A week went by with
them al swimming, eating, and looking pretty. Then one neon was dead.

I took him back to the store and got a bigger, stronger looking neon.

He lasted 2 days.

He had been chasing the smaller neons, and the betta had been
chasing him.

I think she is killing them, but she has left these two smaller ones
alone.

Do fish have dominance type things? Or could she have been
protecting the smaller fish? Or do I need a new tank/bowl for her?

I'm looking into the last one (new tank/bowl).

If it was something wrong in the tank, wouldn't (at the very least)
the other neons be dying?

I'm taking a water sample in when I take back this neon. Not sure if
I am getting another one.

Fish guy also said that neons do best in odd number groups. 3, 5, 7,
etc. because 1 is a leader and the others pair up with each other.
That's why I ask about the dominance thing. Maybe she is only
attacking the leader?

I'm not going to add any new fish until I figure this out, and
possible until I get her a new tank/bowl.

I've been considering giving her away. I would like to have the
other fish survive and really in the beginning had no intention of
having a betta. But if I get her a new tank/bowl and it is big
enough, was thinking of getting another betta to go with her so she
is not alone. If I went that direction, would I want a male or
another female? Can they breed that easily, or would I be safe in
getting a male, and NOT end up with more fish from it?

Thanks for your patience :-)

anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25660 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Question about diatoms in tank
I have a still fairly new tank; I've had the tank for almost a month
now. It's a 20 gallon tank, with about 17 pounds of live rock, and some
crushed coral substrate. I also have one common clownfish in the tank;
I was advised to add one fish to help the initical cycle along, advice
I've since learned wasn't really the best idea.

I've been monitoring my chemical levels and believe my initial cylce is
nearing an end. As a byproduct of the cycle though I have a lot of
brown-algae stuff (diatoms); a lot. It's coated the top of my live
rock, the surface of my substrate, and even formed some on my filter
tube and powerhead. My guestion is, do I need to do something to clean
off all of this algae to allow for more desirable coral-line algae to
grow? Or Will the other fish, and invertabrates I add, over the next
month or so, eat away the diatoms for me?

I've got one clownfish right now, I also plan to add a flame firefish,
crab, skunk cleaner shrimp, snail, and *maybe* some kind of ground
sifting fish to swim along the bottom. Any help or suggestions will be
greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25661 From: maybelline101 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
I would be really careful with what type of fish you put in with
bettas. When I was starting off I kept my females separate since I
knew that males and females will become aggressive. I had 3 females in
a bowl together. They killed each other. They are known for their
fighting- Siamese Fighting Fish! I would suggest on seeing if they
work it out, if not maybe a new tank with bigger room mates. I had a
male betta who killed my other fish- guppies. They can become peaceful
with in a few weeks. Its a dominance thing- territorial.

If you go for a male betta and want to breed you need a tank with lots
of coverage for females And raio is 2 females per a male.

I would maybe try the female with bigger fish like platys or
something. But if not I would wait and see what she does to the rest.

Cleo



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
>
> I put a female betta in the tank. The fish guy told me she could go
> in a community tank (well, not just her, but female bettas in
> general). I waited. I put in three neon tetras. A week went by with
> them al swimming, eating, and looking pretty. Then one neon was dead.
>
> I took him back to the store and got a bigger, stronger looking neon.
>
> He lasted 2 days.
>
> He had been chasing the smaller neons, and the betta had been
> chasing him.
>
> I think she is killing them, but she has left these two smaller ones
> alone.
>
> Do fish have dominance type things? Or could she have been
> protecting the smaller fish? Or do I need a new tank/bowl for her?
>
> I'm looking into the last one (new tank/bowl).
>
> If it was something wrong in the tank, wouldn't (at the very least)
> the other neons be dying?
>
> I'm taking a water sample in when I take back this neon. Not sure if
> I am getting another one.
>
> Fish guy also said that neons do best in odd number groups. 3, 5, 7,
> etc. because 1 is a leader and the others pair up with each other.
> That's why I ask about the dominance thing. Maybe she is only
> attacking the leader?
>
> I'm not going to add any new fish until I figure this out, and
> possible until I get her a new tank/bowl.
>
> I've been considering giving her away. I would like to have the
> other fish survive and really in the beginning had no intention of
> having a betta. But if I get her a new tank/bowl and it is big
> enough, was thinking of getting another betta to go with her so she
> is not alone. If I went that direction, would I want a male or
> another female? Can they breed that easily, or would I be safe in
> getting a male, and NOT end up with more fish from it?
>
> Thanks for your patience :-)
>
> anndrea
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25662 From: bmp Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Soaking mopani wood
Good afternoon,

For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood which
I intend to add to my new tank. I change the water
about every 3 days, when it starts to look dark like
weak soy sauce. I wonder if someone here has
experience with it and can tell me if this is common,
for it to take so long.

My previous experience was with Malaysian hardwood
(teak?) and it was ready to use in about 1.5 weeks. I
admit this process with the mopani is testing my
patience some. The spot where I plan on putting it is
being overtaken by Vallisneria quite rapidly so that
is a dilemma. You see, I am the one who loves the look
of Vallisneria and didn't have such great luck with it
before; now it is positively lush with runners so I
don't want to disturb it too much when I add the
mopani wood.

Thanks,
Beverly

Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25663 From: Carmen H Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Why not go ahead and put it in? The tannins that color the water are
harmless and will be removed with PWC's and/or carbon in the filter...

Carmen

On Feb 3, 2008 5:01 PM, bmp <bmpardue@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25664 From: William Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
I have read that if you put sodium bicarbonate in the water with the
wood it will help to get rid of the tannins faster. The tannins are
what make the water darker in color.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carmen H" <eskielists@...> wrote:
>
> Why not go ahead and put it in? The tannins that color the water
are
> harmless and will be removed with PWC's and/or carbon in the
filter...
>
> Carmen
>
> On Feb 3, 2008 5:01 PM, bmp <bmpardue@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25665 From: weiyuansun Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
Hello, I am in USA, and my kids just start for fish tank_20 Gallon.
Would anyone please help/pass a good web site for Good price of fish
food and aquriums maintenance?

Thanks,
Yuans
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25666 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Did you fishless cycle the tank first? If you don't know what that means,
then you are cycling with fish and you need to be testing your
ammonia/nitrite levels on a daily basis and doing 25% PWC's (partial water
changes) as needed to keep the levels below 1.0ppm and preferably below
0.5ppm until the tank fully completes the nitrogen cycle... anywhere from
2-8 weeks.

Go to my blog http://goldlenny.blogspot.com and on the right side, look for
the link "A to Z of Fish Keeping" and at the top of that page, there are two
links to online tutorials that you should take, which will walk you through
all of the basics of fish keeping... including the nitrogen cycle, fishless
cycling and cycling with fish (not the preferred method although most stores
won't tell you since they want to sell you more fish when yours die
prematurely from going through the arduous cycling process).

Neon's are a schooling fish and should be in groups of 6 or more and it's a
good idea to have at least two females for each male to minimize
chasing/nipping during any mating periods.
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Paracheirodon_innesi.html

You can go to http://fish.mongabay.com and look at good profiles on almost
all tropical fish and many others as well.

You do NOT want to put a male betta in with females as they will most
certainly fight... sometimes to the death... just like the males will do.

What size tank do you currently have, how long has it been set up, etc.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anndrea
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 12:30 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

I put a female betta in the tank. The fish guy told me she could go in a
community tank (well, not just her, but female bettas in general). I waited.
I put in three neon tetras. A week went by with them al swimming, eating,
and looking pretty. Then one neon was dead.

I took him back to the store and got a bigger, stronger looking neon.

He lasted 2 days.

He had been chasing the smaller neons, and the betta had been chasing him.

I think she is killing them, but she has left these two smaller ones alone.

Do fish have dominance type things? Or could she have been protecting the
smaller fish? Or do I need a new tank/bowl for her?

I'm looking into the last one (new tank/bowl).

If it was something wrong in the tank, wouldn't (at the very least) the
other neons be dying?

I'm taking a water sample in when I take back this neon. Not sure if I am
getting another one.

Fish guy also said that neons do best in odd number groups. 3, 5, 7, etc.
because 1 is a leader and the others pair up with each other.
That's why I ask about the dominance thing. Maybe she is only attacking the
leader?

I'm not going to add any new fish until I figure this out, and possible
until I get her a new tank/bowl.

I've been considering giving her away. I would like to have the other fish
survive and really in the beginning had no intention of having a betta. But
if I get her a new tank/bowl and it is big enough, was thinking of getting
another betta to go with her so she is not alone. If I went that direction,
would I want a male or another female? Can they breed that easily, or would
I be safe in getting a male, and NOT end up with more fish from it?

Thanks for your patience :-)

anndrea



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25667 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
Almost all wood, useable in an aquarium, needs to be soaked until it stops
leaching tannins unless you are setting up a tank where you want the brown
water effect and low pH. If you can find a pot large enough, boiling it
will speed up the process. Down here in N'Awlins, I used my crawfish boiler
but I know most folks don't have anything that large.

The other thing you can do, if the wood is at least staying sunken, is to
add it to your tank and run fresh carbon or other chemical filtration which
will remove the tannins from the water. I use Purigen from Seachem, as my
chemical filtration, since it's rechargeable using a bleach solution so it's
a lot more cost effective in the long run compared to carbon which should be
changed out every couple of weeks or more if you are using it to remove all
those tannins.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of bmp
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:01 PM
To: uniquaria@yahoogroups.com
Cc: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Soaking mopani wood

Good afternoon,

For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood which I intend to add to my
new tank. I change the water about every 3 days, when it starts to look dark
like weak soy sauce. I wonder if someone here has experience with it and can
tell me if this is common, for it to take so long.

My previous experience was with Malaysian hardwood
(teak?) and it was ready to use in about 1.5 weeks. I admit this process
with the mopani is testing my patience some. The spot where I plan on
putting it is being overtaken by Vallisneria quite rapidly so that is a
dilemma. You see, I am the one who loves the look of Vallisneria and didn't
have such great luck with it before; now it is positively lush with runners
so I don't want to disturb it too much when I add the mopani wood.

Thanks,
Beverly


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25668 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
While tannins are technically harmless, they will lower the pH a lot so that
has to be considered, depending on the fish that are in the tank, but you
are correct about doing PWC's and using lots of fresh chemical filtration to
help remove them also.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Carmen H
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:52 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Soaking mopani wood

Why not go ahead and put it in? The tannins that color the water are
harmless and will be removed with PWC's and/or carbon in the filter...

Carmen

On Feb 3, 2008 5:01 PM, bmp <bmpardue@...
<mailto:bmpardue%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25669 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Soaking mopani wood
I'm not sure sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) that will get rid of the
tannins but adding baking soda will help buffer the water to help avoid a
drastic pH crash that may happen with excess tannins in insufficiently
buffered water. Here's a page on dosing baking soda...
http://dataguru.org/misc/aquarium/calKH.asp

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of William
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:12 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Soaking mopani wood

I have read that if you put sodium bicarbonate in the water with the wood it
will help to get rid of the tannins faster. The tannins are what make the
water darker in color.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Carmen H" <eskielists@...> wrote:
>
> Why not go ahead and put it in? The tannins that color the water
are
> harmless and will be removed with PWC's and/or carbon in the
filter...
>
> Carmen
>
> On Feb 3, 2008 5:01 PM, bmp <bmpardue@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> > For four weeks, I have been soaking mopani wood
>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25670 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
I've used and recommend the following:

http://www.MarineDepot.com

http://www.BigAlsOnline.com

http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com

http://www.PetsMart.com

With PetsMart.com, I most often print out the online price and then go to my
local store where they will match the online pricing for the same item.
I've also ordered from the online site when the local store doesn't carry
the item I'm looking for. I usually save 40-50% off the shelf price.

Another site I've read good things about is ThatFishPlace.com

Since you are new to the hobby, go to my blog and read over the page "A to Z
of fish keeping" and take the online tutorials that I have linked there.
Come back here and ask lots of questions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of weiyuansun
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 6:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance

Hello, I am in USA, and my kids just start for fish tank_20 Gallon.
Would anyone please help/pass a good web site for Good price of fish food
and aquriums maintenance?

Thanks,
Yuans

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25671 From: andrewhall999 Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Juwel Users Forum
Have you got a Jwel tank? Are you thinking about buying one?

What do you think about Juwel products? What is good about them? What
ought to be improved?

New forum needs your views!

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/juwelusersforum/
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25672 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Juwel Users Forum
I don't own a Juwel so I won't be joining your group but the only thing I
remember "bad" about them is the built in filter system in the back corner.
In another forum, a while back, we had a member who was having all kinds of
water quality issues and fish diseases and deaths and we finally tracked it
down to an excessive amount of mulm that had built up in that corner filter
and she had to take it out. I guess if you did a good job of vacuuming out
all of the mulm using a small hose when doing gravel vacuuming, it could
keep it from being a major issue but she was never told of this problem so
it had built up to serious levels.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of andrewhall999
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:12 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Juwel Users Forum

Have you got a Jwel tank? Are you thinking about buying one?

What do you think about Juwel products? What is good about them? What ought
to be improved?

New forum needs your views!

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25673 From: jules27au Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
Hi,

My local aquarium has agreed to swap my two fist size silver dollars
(to place in a display tank) for any other fish I care to have.

So that I can have an easy to care for, appealing looking tank, can I
have some suggestions please? FYI - I have a 65 litre up-right
hexagonal tank & am happy to spend around 15-20 mins a day on looking
after it.

Water temp is constant at 26 degrees & yes I do regular testing of the
water.

Cheers

Jules
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25674 From: Peaches Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
I have two blood parrot fish myself named Gizmo and Gadget. I love them
very much. I can see them easily and they love to come and "talk" to me.
Gadget will try to sit in my hand to be hand fed if I will let him. I found
a site all about them on the web awhile back
www.parrotcichlid.com

I don't know what I would do if something happened to them. They are so
trusting of me.

Thanks,
Peaches

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To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots


> Thanks to everyone that replied. I understand that they are hybrids
and that they are "unnatural" but they happen to be a fish that I
really like. I didn't the first time that I saw them but I came to
realize that they are very active, personable, funny fish. I
understand being passionate about what you love, I just felt a little
cornered by the responses that I got.

If I were to breed, it would be mainly for myself. I do not belong to
an aquarium society, although I know there is one in Pittsburgh. I
do have enough fish keeping friends that I could find suitable homes
for them. (I also work part time at a store that specializes in
freshwater and saltwater fish, demand for the blood parrots in this
area is pretty good so I could always give them to the store.)

As far as the Convict "downfall" of having lots of babies, I mean that
if the person wasn't planning on breeding so she wasn't shocked at how
very, very prolific cichlids are...If he/she planned on breeding, it's
a great fish to start with. Convicts were my first cichlids.

I am currently keeping rainbow fish but have had various South
American cichlids in the past and I find myself missing them.

Now, if anyone has any websites or books they would recommend for
rainbows (that I will not even attempt to breed, they seem like a very
tedious fish to breed.)or even any that are available in the fish
trade that you think I should check out, I would appreciate that. So
far I have: Turquoise, Bosemani, Red Iraim, Axelrods, Australian,
preacox, and some that I don't know the name of. I was told they are
pretty new in the fish trade, the associate couldn't find the shipment
forms but he said he thought they were "zig zag" rainbows or something
like that.

Thanks everyone.

jenn












> In reply to your request for more information on these fish, all's I
> can say is for you to please refer back what you wrote in your very
> next post to someone using a Group Site name of "in_my_mind"
> (unfortunately they chose not to sign it), when they were looking for
> an identification for their Convict Cichlids. You wrote: "A DOWNFALL
> is that you end up with tons of fish." Please consider that for a
> moment, when applying that to what you're considering.
>
> At best, Blood Parrots are popular with only a very small portion of
> Aquarium keepers (I can't call them "aquarists"), so for starters, its
> going to be very difficult in getting rid of most of them. Secondly,
> this hobby does not need any additional "mongrel" fish; keeping fish
> species pure and as close to their natural counterparts in the wild is
> so much more desirable and rewarding. Since you appear to have some
> experience with Cichlids, I'd recommend trying to breed a species
> (perhaps Severum, since you mentioned them) which you've also been
> interested in; one that you haven't bred before, as you'll find that
> the challenge is well worth it when you succeed. Best of Luck, Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone had attempted to breed for blood parrot
> > cichlids? My main question would be does it matter which parent fish,
> > the Red Devil or Gold Severum, is the male or the female? I have
> > past experience breeding everything from live bearers to other
> cichlids.
> >
> >
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Jenn
> >
>




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25675 From: Weiyuan Sun Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance
Thanks for the information that help a lot.

Thanks,
yuans

"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...> wrote:
I've used and recommend the following:

http://www.MarineDepot.com

http://www.BigAlsOnline.com

http://www.DrsFosterSmith.com

http://www.PetsMart.com

With PetsMart.com, I most often print out the online price and then go to my
local store where they will match the online pricing for the same item.
I've also ordered from the online site when the local store doesn't carry
the item I'm looking for. I usually save 40-50% off the shelf price.

Another site I've read good things about is ThatFishPlace.com

Since you are new to the hobby, go to my blog and read over the page "A to Z
of fish keeping" and take the online tutorials that I have linked there.
Come back here and ask lots of questions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Subject: [AquaticLife] Good web site for fish food and aquriums maintenance

Hello, I am in USA, and my kids just start for fish tank_20 Gallon.
Would anyone please help/pass a good web site for Good price of fish food
and aquriums maintenance?

Thanks,
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25676 From: my_cycling Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on
craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking
40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair
of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2
weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal.
tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan to
keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will
continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give them
away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions about
setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions
about my convicts as well. Here they are:

1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It has
metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top
(does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood?

2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that
would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a
couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is
this a good idea?

3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for
this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if
I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it
have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this
size tank?

4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many
great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones
for the new tank?

5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And
should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new
tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY
protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from danger
from the other fish?

6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more
convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices?
What other options are there, and how many should I have?

I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really
appreciate any input you have!

TIA,

Cheryl
:D
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25677 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
To find out your exact gallon volume, take the three dimensions, HxWxD=
_____ divided by 231 = ____ Gallons. If you take the inside dimensions,
you'll get more accurate but the outside dimensions will give you a number
close enough.

1. Oops.. just read that your new tank is a hex so forget that formula
since it only works for square or rectangular tanks but this page
http://animal-world.com/encyclo/information/calculate.htm has a built in
calculator for tanks including hex tanks... about 1/3 way down on the page.

2. http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cichlasoma_nigrofasciatum.html has a
section on suggested species compatibility (SC) but depending on the size of
your tank, you will be limited in what you can have. An Oscar or common
pleco are out since a hex tank does not have a lot of surface area or bottom
area so you will have limited territory and cichlids like their space...
plus Oscars and common plecos get BIG and need BIG tanks... 75G+... with
lots of filtration and surface area to provide for adequate gas exchange.

3. First you need to know how big the tank is and what kind of fish you will
keep, then you can work on adequate filtration. I'm not sure that sponge
filters are the recommended filtration for bigger fish which put out a lot
more waste. You should consider a canister filter (I use the Rena Filstar I
and III and they are competitively priced and decent quality) or a good HOB
with a big reservoir like an AquaClear. I guess if you did the sponge
filters but powered them with a powerhead, that would work also but many
people equate a sponge filter with being powered by an air pump.

4. I've never owned convicts but most cichlids are rock/cave dwellers and
burrow in substrate so they typically tear up planted tanks. Here is a snip
from the mongabay profile I linked above. "Use a cover of floating plants
and provide plenty of hiding places with over-turned flower pots, driftwood,
roots, caves, and rocks. This cichlid eats plants and burrows in the
gravel."

5. & 6. The profile also lists suitable tankmates in the SC section.
Others should chime in on when and how to move the fry.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST... WOOOO HOOOOOO.. the Manning brothers (from New
Orleans) have won the past two Super Bowl's. Maybe my Saints will get to
one sometime in my lifetime.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 9:57 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice

Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on craigslist for
$25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking
40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair of
convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2 weeks old. This
little family has been living alone in my 10 gal.
tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan to keep
any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will continue to breed
like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give them away when they're big
enough. Anyway, I have several questions about setting up my new tank, and
I'm gonna throw in a couple questions about my convicts as well. Here they
are:

1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It has metal
supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top (does that make
any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood?

2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that would be
good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a couple different
sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is this a good idea?

3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for this
tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if I botch it &
it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it have to be to work for
this size tank? How many do I need for this size tank?

4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many great
plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones for the new
tank?

5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And should I
move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new tank, would the
fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY protective of them, would
that be enough to keep the fry from danger from the other fish?

6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more convicts.
I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices?
What other options are there, and how many should I have?

I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really appreciate any
input you have!

TIA,

Cheryl
:D


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25678 From: William Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
I found a conversion chart ant your 65 liters equals 16.9 gallons.
That is not a very large for much of anything. And with not much
floor space it cuts down even more for the types of fish that should
be keep in a tank like that. You might get away with a pair of
angelfish, but that is even small for them(recommended is 20 gallons
per pair).Maybe you could get some of the dwarf freshwater puffers.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jules27au" <jules27au@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> My local aquarium has agreed to swap my two fist size silver
dollars
> (to place in a display tank) for any other fish I care to have.
>
> So that I can have an easy to care for, appealing looking tank, can
I
> have some suggestions please? FYI - I have a 65 litre up-right
> hexagonal tank & am happy to spend around 15-20 mins a day on
looking
> after it.
>
> Water temp is constant at 26 degrees & yes I do regular testing of
the
> water.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jules
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25679 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Well, this tank was my idea, but technically it was given to my
mom...and she has been the one paying for almost everything for
it/in it, so today she convinced me to get more fish. We did not
replace the single neon tetra. Instead we added 4 danioes that are
neon colors (orangey/pink and yellowish/orange) and a silver
something (sorry, bad memory - I think it's a molly). So, I now have
2 tetras, 1 female betta, 1 (possibly) silver molly, and 4 neon
colored danioes. The silver one is bigger than the betta, and the
neon danioes are a bit bigger than the tetras, so I might be ok.
Especially if it is a dominance/territorial thing.

I know I may sound like an idiot for adding more fish, but please
understand I am not the only one making decisions here.

Oh and we got some live plants to put in there. A couple taller ones
and a couple not so tall ones. We did that, and added some
beneficial bacteria something (again, bad memory, sorry) because
they tested the water (they being Petsmart) and said the ammonia was
a little high and the ph was a little high (I think, she said the ph
was off, but didn't elaborate).

We're going to see what happens next. If fish keep dying, we will
stop getting more and maybe start all over and add all the crap
you're supposed to and keep whatever fish are left for a couple
months and see if we can try again then.

thanks,
anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25680 From: Anndrea Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
> Did you fishless cycle the tank first?

No, we set it all up and let it sit 2 days, added a bottle of
beneficial bacteria and the female betta, waited 2 days, added the 3
tetras, and it went fine for 4-5 days. Then we lost 1 tetra.
Replaced it the next day. Lost the replacement tetra 2 days later
(today).


> If you don't know what that means,
> then you are cycling with fish and you need to be testing your
> ammonia/nitrite levels on a daily basis

I don't have a way to test daily, but the test today showed ammonia
being a little high, and ph "off" (whatever she meant by that, I
don't know). And that the nitrite/nitrate levels were fine.


> and doing 25% PWC's (partial water
> changes) as needed to keep the levels below 1.0ppm and preferably
below
> 0.5ppm until the tank fully completes the nitrogen cycle...
anywhere from
> 2-8 weeks.

If I can't tell what the levels are, how would I know if I need to
do that?


> What size tank do you currently have, how long has it been set up,
> etc.

We think it's about 10 gallons. It has been set up for about 10 or
11 days now.

Today I was convinced to add more beneficial bacteria (becuase
ammonia is a little high, so says the Petsmart lady who tested my
water sample), and 5 more fish. We did not replace the tetra that
died, rather added what I think is a silver something molly or platy
or something like that (yes, my memory IS that bad), and 4 neon
colored danioes. So the list now is, 1 female betta, 2 neon tetras,
4 neon colored danioes, and 1 silver something (looks kinda white)
fish. If these all survive, I will only add a chinese algae eater to
this.

I don't know if that is all I did, please check the reply I sent to
the other person who replied to my post...I might have said
something there that I forgot to say here.

Also, can I add water conditioner right now? It says it is for
making tap water safe. To add x amount per gallon "when I add water"
maybe I should add it now, just to help everything get balanced out
sooner for the fish?

thanks,
anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25681 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/3/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
You had a high ammonia reading because your tank is not cycled yet (the
nitrogen cycle). You are not the idiot. The IDIOTS at Pet-not-so-smart
should never have sold you more fish. You should bring them back and get
your money back for the fish and the JUNK "bacteria" they sold you unless it
was BioSpira, which isn't junk.

If you choose to keep all of the fish and put them through the cycling
process, you would need to immediately buy a master test kit. Steve out
here recommends one brand.. I think Hagen... but it's hard to find. I know
that PetsMart sells the API Freshwater Master Test Kit which is adequate for
most people. If you print out the online page and bring it with you, they
will match the price and you will save nearly 50% off the shelf price. Do
this whenever you buy stuff from PetsMart.

You would need to start testing your water daily and do 25% PWC's whenever
your ammonia or nitrite get up to the 1.0ppm level. If they are already
over that level, then you should do a series of 25% PWC's, one every two
hours until the levels are down to the 0.5ppm level. Keep up the daily
testing and necessary PWC's until your tank is fully cycled. This will be
when your ammonia and nitrite stay at 0.0ppm and then your nitrate level
will slowly rise. Whenever it gets over 30ppm, do a 25% PWC. Or do a PWC
on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on the stocking level of your tank.
Do not wait a month or longer between PWC's like some places say. That's a
little too long for your fish to be swimming around in polluted water.
Dilution is the solution to pollution. This is what a PWC does... dilutes
the pollution. Go to my blog and read over my "A to Z of Fish Keeping"
page.

The "beneficial bacteria" they sold you was a waste of your money unless it
was BioSpira which I know they do not sell. BioSpira is the only bacteria
in a bottle that works as advertised but it must be kept refrigerated
throughout the shipping and storage process and it is best used on a new
tank without fish and then you can add fish the next day and the tank will
be nearly 100% cycled. You should bring back any JUNK chemicals or
additives they sold you except for a basic tap water dechlor product which
usually has an additive for heavy metals that may be in your tap water. I
use API's but there are other low priced alternatives. Don't get all the
stress-this or slime-that type products... that just turns your tank into a
chemical cess pool.

The live plants are good.

The "neon" danios they sold you were probably glofish which are genetically
enhanced zebra danio's so they are just regular zebra danio's with a
pigmentation gene added to the eggs to make them into the "glo" colors. I
don't have an opinion on this process since it does not harm the fish like
dyeing or tattooing does. The world has been doing genetic enhancements to
plants and animals (mainly food stuff) for years and so far we don't have an
abundance of three-headed lizards running around and science learns a
tremendous amount of information from genetic testing that will one day save
the world from the things like cancer... I hope before I ever succumb to it.
;-) The zebra danios are a schooling fish also and should be in schools of
6 or more with 4 females and 2 males.

As far as your pH, DO NOT ADD ANYTHING they might have sold you that alters
the pH. The pH is high because of the ammonia and cycling issues you are
having. You need these numbers so I can give you more info. If your pH is
in the 8.0 range, then any ammonia in your tank can be toxic. If your pH is
in the 7.0 range, then ammonia is less toxic but still needs to be kept down
below 1.0ppm.

I don't recall what size tank you have so I'm not sure if your tank can
handle the proper number of fish to fill out the schools of danios, neons
and tetras so you would need to give us more info.

PLEASE, PLEASE COME OUT HERE AND ASK FOR ADVICE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE
TO YOUR TANK. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE IDIOTS AT PET-NOT-SO-SMART.

FEEL FREE TO PRINT THIS AND SHOW IT TO THE MANAGER AT THE STORE WHEN ASKING
FOR YOUR REFUNDS ON ALL THE JUNK THEY SOLD YOU AND FOR THE FISH. YOU COULD
CONTINUE TO TRY AND CYCLE WITH ALL THE FISH YOU HAVE BUT YOU WILL BE
PERMANENTLY INJURING THEM BY PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE CYCLING PROCESS AND
THAT WILL ROB THEM OF SOME OF THEIR LIFESPAN OR ALL OF IT IF THEY DIE DURING
THE CYCLING PROCESS.

And yes, I typed in CAPS because I was literally screaming at the
Pet-not-so-smart IDIOTS if you choose to print my reply to show them. If
the manager tries to not give you a refund, tell him you will complain to
the BBB, the Chamber of Commerce, the local humane shelter, etc., etc., but
I don't think they will contest your refund.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anndrea
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

Well, this tank was my idea, but technically it was given to my mom...and
she has been the one paying for almost everything for it/in it, so today she
convinced me to get more fish. We did not replace the single neon tetra.
Instead we added 4 danioes that are neon colors (orangey/pink and
yellowish/orange) and a silver something (sorry, bad memory - I think it's a
molly). So, I now have
2 tetras, 1 female betta, 1 (possibly) silver molly, and 4 neon colored
danioes. The silver one is bigger than the betta, and the neon danioes are a
bit bigger than the tetras, so I might be ok.
Especially if it is a dominance/territorial thing.

I know I may sound like an idiot for adding more fish, but please understand
I am not the only one making decisions here.

Oh and we got some live plants to put in there. A couple taller ones and a
couple not so tall ones. We did that, and added some beneficial bacteria
something (again, bad memory, sorry) because they tested the water (they
being Petsmart) and said the ammonia was a little high and the ph was a
little high (I think, she said the ph was off, but didn't elaborate).

We're going to see what happens next. If fish keep dying, we will stop
getting more and maybe start all over and add all the crap you're supposed
to and keep whatever fish are left for a couple months and see if we can try
again then.

thanks,
anndrea



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25682 From: my_cycling Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Lenny,

Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Unfortunately I can't get a
break down of the size of my tank after all from the site you linked
because it is designed to measure a hexagonal tank where all 6 sides
are equal. My tanks sides are not equal, the 2 sides are equal, the
two corners are equal, the back is long, and the front is short. So
there are 4 different side lengths, if that makes any sense

____
| |
\____/

It's kind of shaped like that (that's the best drawing job I can do,
lol). We'll just have to see how big it is when we fill it. I'm
thinking 55, based on how full it was when I put 5 gallons of water
in to rinse it out.

Anyway, I thought there were plecos that were smaller. We have one
in our 10 gal. tank which we've had for awhile now and he's hardly
grown at all. What kind of algae eaters, tank cleaners would you
recommend?

Oh, and does anyone know where to locate 3M Colorquartz? Do most
pool supply stores carry it?

Thanks again for the reply!

Cheryl
:D
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25683 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
If by Steve, you mean me, the kit I recommend is AquaTru distributed by Kordon. By far the best kit out there to use and to read.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:45 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

You had a high ammonia reading because your tank is not cycled yet (the
nitrogen cycle). You are not the idiot. The IDIOTS at Pet-not-so-smart
should never have sold you more fish. You should bring them back and get
your money back for the fish and the JUNK "bacteria" they sold you unless it
was BioSpira, which isn't junk.

If you choose to keep all of the fish and put them through the cycling
process, you would need to immediately buy a master test kit. Steve out
here recommends one brand.. I think Hagen... but it's hard to find. I know
that PetsMart sells the API Freshwater Master Test Kit which is adequate for
most people. If you print out the online page and bring it with you, they
will match the price and you will save nearly 50% off the shelf price. Do
this whenever you buy stuff from PetsMart.

You would need to start testing your water daily and do 25% PWC's whenever
your ammonia or nitrite get up to the 1.0ppm level. If they are already
over that level, then you should do a series of 25% PWC's, one every two
hours until the levels are down to the 0.5ppm level. Keep up the daily
testing and necessary PWC's until your tank is fully cycled. This will be
when your ammonia and nitrite stay at 0.0ppm and then your nitrate level
will slowly rise. Whenever it gets over 30ppm, do a 25% PWC. Or do a PWC
on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on the stocking level of your tank.
Do not wait a month or longer between PWC's like some places say. That's a
little too long for your fish to be swimming around in polluted water.
Dilution is the solution to pollution. This is what a PWC does... dilutes
the pollution. Go to my blog and read over my "A to Z of Fish Keeping"
page.

The "beneficial bacteria" they sold you was a waste of your money unless it
was BioSpira which I know they do not sell. BioSpira is the only bacteria
in a bottle that works as advertised but it must be kept refrigerated
throughout the shipping and storage process and it is best used on a new
tank without fish and then you can add fish the next day and the tank will
be nearly 100% cycled. You should bring back any JUNK chemicals or
additives they sold you except for a basic tap water dechlor product which
usually has an additive for heavy metals that may be in your tap water. I
use API's but there are other low priced alternatives. Don't get all the
stress-this or slime-that type products... that just turns your tank into a
chemical cess pool.

The live plants are good.

The "neon" danios they sold you were probably glofish which are genetically
enhanced zebra danio's so they are just regular zebra danio's with a
pigmentation gene added to the eggs to make them into the "glo" colors. I
don't have an opinion on this process since it does not harm the fish like
dyeing or tattooing does. The world has been doing genetic enhancements to
plants and animals (mainly food stuff) for years and so far we don't have an
abundance of three-headed lizards running around and science learns a
tremendous amount of information from genetic testing that will one day save
the world from the things like cancer... I hope before I ever succumb to it.
;-) The zebra danios are a schooling fish also and should be in schools of
6 or more with 4 females and 2 males.

As far as your pH, DO NOT ADD ANYTHING they might have sold you that alters
the pH. The pH is high because of the ammonia and cycling issues you are
having. You need these numbers so I can give you more info. If your pH is
in the 8.0 range, then any ammonia in your tank can be toxic. If your pH is
in the 7.0 range, then ammonia is less toxic but still needs to be kept down
below 1.0ppm.

I don't recall what size tank you have so I'm not sure if your tank can
handle the proper number of fish to fill out the schools of danios, neons
and tetras so you would need to give us more info.

PLEASE, PLEASE COME OUT HERE AND ASK FOR ADVICE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE
TO YOUR TANK. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE IDIOTS AT PET-NOT-SO-SMART.

FEEL FREE TO PRINT THIS AND SHOW IT TO THE MANAGER AT THE STORE WHEN ASKING
FOR YOUR REFUNDS ON ALL THE JUNK THEY SOLD YOU AND FOR THE FISH. YOU COULD
CONTINUE TO TRY AND CYCLE WITH ALL THE FISH YOU HAVE BUT YOU WILL BE
PERMANENTLY INJURING THEM BY PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE CYCLING PROCESS AND
THAT WILL ROB THEM OF SOME OF THEIR LIFESPAN OR ALL OF IT IF THEY DIE DURING
THE CYCLING PROCESS.

And yes, I typed in CAPS because I was literally screaming at the
Pet-not-so-smart IDIOTS if you choose to print my reply to show them. If
the manager tries to not give you a refund, tell him you will complain to
the BBB, the Chamber of Commerce, the local humane shelter, etc., etc., but
I don't think they will contest your refund.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anndrea
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

Well, this tank was my idea, but technically it was given to my mom...and
she has been the one paying for almost everything for it/in it, so today she
convinced me to get more fish. We did not replace the single neon tetra.
Instead we added 4 danioes that are neon colors (orangey/pink and
yellowish/orange) and a silver something (sorry, bad memory - I think it's a
molly). So, I now have
2 tetras, 1 female betta, 1 (possibly) silver molly, and 4 neon colored
danioes. The silver one is bigger than the betta, and the neon danioes are a
bit bigger than the tetras, so I might be ok.
Especially if it is a dominance/territorial thing.

I know I may sound like an idiot for adding more fish, but please understand
I am not the only one making decisions here.

Oh and we got some live plants to put in there. A couple taller ones and a
couple not so tall ones. We did that, and added some beneficial bacteria
something (again, bad memory, sorry) because they tested the water (they
being Petsmart) and said the ammonia was a little high and the ph was a
little high (I think, she said the ph was off, but didn't elaborate).

We're going to see what happens next. If fish keep dying, we will stop
getting more and maybe start all over and add all the crap you're supposed
to and keep whatever fish are left for a couple months and see if we can try
again then.

thanks,
anndrea



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25684 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Take the measurement of the length of the back, the height of the tank, and
the distance from the front to the back in the middle of the tank (not the
corners)... since its nearly a rectangle, you could use the rectangle
formula I gave u which would be a little more and then you would have to
deduct a gallon or two for each missing "corner" in the front. Or if you
want to get really technical and exact, give me the above three dimensions
and the dimensions of the missing triangles on each front corner and I could
figure out the exact volume of each triangle and then we would know exactly
how much to deduct from the rectangular volume measurement.

For it to be a 55G tank, it would have to be 36" to 48" long on the back, at
least 12" from front to back in the middle and then 12" to 18" high. But if
you give me the measurements I could figure it out precisely.

There are plecos that are smaller than the common pleco but even they
couldn't fit in a 10G tank. You are stunting yours by keeping it in that
undersized tank... that's why it's not growing.

Common plecos (called common since they are the most common sold at fish
stores) should grow to 18"+ and live around 20 years but most don't make it
that long due to being stunted in undersized tanks during their juvenile
years. Stunting causes serious stress issues to fish and causes them
premature deaths.

Fish are just like children... they need their best environment and diet
during their developmental months and years and this is usually the time
when people put them in undersized tanks, rather than the proper sized tank,
thinking they'll get a bigger tank as the fish grow but it's a catch-22
since the fish won't grow in the undersized tank and end up dying an early
death due to diseases caused by the stress of the stunting effect so the
people never do get the bigger tank that they said they would get... and
then they get more fish and the cycle continues. It is so important to
start fish off in the proper sized tank to give them their best chances.

Besides cycling issues, stunting caused by overstocking a tank or putting
big fish in an undersize tank are probably the leading cause of fish disease
and premature deaths.

I'm not fussing at you, just trying to explain and stress how important
these issues are.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of my_cycling
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 2:13 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice

Lenny,

Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Unfortunately I can't get a break down of
the size of my tank after all from the site you linked because it is
designed to measure a hexagonal tank where all 6 sides are equal. My tanks
sides are not equal, the 2 sides are equal, the two corners are equal, the
back is long, and the front is short. So there are 4 different side lengths,
if that makes any sense

____
| |
\____/

It's kind of shaped like that (that's the best drawing job I can do,
lol). We'll just have to see how big it is when we fill it. I'm
thinking 55, based on how full it was when I put 5 gallons of water
in to rinse it out.

Anyway, I thought there were plecos that were smaller. We have one
in our 10 gal. tank which we've had for awhile now and he's hardly
grown at all. What kind of algae eaters, tank cleaners would you
recommend?

Oh, and does anyone know where to locate 3M Colorquartz? Do most
pool supply stores carry it?

Thanks again for the reply!

Cheryl
:D


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25685 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Yep... I should have said \\Steve// LOL

I didn't think it was Hagen but I couldn't recall the exact name but I still
haven't found it at any of my local shops or chain stores. I'll probably
order it off the net when I'm due for a new master test kit.

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:05 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

If by Steve, you mean me, the kit I recommend is AquaTru distributed by
Kordon. By far the best kit out there to use and to read.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:45 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

You had a high ammonia reading because your tank is not cycled yet (the
nitrogen cycle). You are not the idiot. The IDIOTS at Pet-not-so-smart
should never have sold you more fish. You should bring them back and get
your money back for the fish and the JUNK "bacteria" they sold you unless it
was BioSpira, which isn't junk.

If you choose to keep all of the fish and put them through the cycling
process, you would need to immediately buy a master test kit. Steve out
here recommends one brand.. I think Hagen... but it's hard to find. I know
that PetsMart sells the API Freshwater Master Test Kit which is adequate for
most people. If you print out the online page and bring it with you, they
will match the price and you will save nearly 50% off the shelf price. Do
this whenever you buy stuff from PetsMart.

You would need to start testing your water daily and do 25% PWC's whenever
your ammonia or nitrite get up to the 1.0ppm level. If they are already
over that level, then you should do a series of 25% PWC's, one every two
hours until the levels are down to the 0.5ppm level. Keep up the daily
testing and necessary PWC's until your tank is fully cycled. This will be
when your ammonia and nitrite stay at 0.0ppm and then your nitrate level
will slowly rise. Whenever it gets over 30ppm, do a 25% PWC. Or do a PWC
on a weekly or bi-weekly basis depending on the stocking level of your tank.
Do not wait a month or longer between PWC's like some places say. That's a
little too long for your fish to be swimming around in polluted water.
Dilution is the solution to pollution. This is what a PWC does... dilutes
the pollution. Go to my blog and read over my "A to Z of Fish Keeping"
page.

The "beneficial bacteria" they sold you was a waste of your money unless it
was BioSpira which I know they do not sell. BioSpira is the only bacteria
in a bottle that works as advertised but it must be kept refrigerated
throughout the shipping and storage process and it is best used on a new
tank without fish and then you can add fish the next day and the tank will
be nearly 100% cycled. You should bring back any JUNK chemicals or
additives they sold you except for a basic tap water dechlor product which
usually has an additive for heavy metals that may be in your tap water. I
use API's but there are other low priced alternatives. Don't get all the
stress-this or slime-that type products... that just turns your tank into a
chemical cess pool.

The live plants are good.

The "neon" danios they sold you were probably glofish which are genetically
enhanced zebra danio's so they are just regular zebra danio's with a
pigmentation gene added to the eggs to make them into the "glo" colors. I
don't have an opinion on this process since it does not harm the fish like
dyeing or tattooing does. The world has been doing genetic enhancements to
plants and animals (mainly food stuff) for years and so far we don't have an
abundance of three-headed lizards running around and science learns a
tremendous amount of information from genetic testing that will one day save
the world from the things like cancer... I hope before I ever succumb to it.
;-) The zebra danios are a schooling fish also and should be in schools of
6 or more with 4 females and 2 males.

As far as your pH, DO NOT ADD ANYTHING they might have sold you that alters
the pH. The pH is high because of the ammonia and cycling issues you are
having. You need these numbers so I can give you more info. If your pH is
in the 8.0 range, then any ammonia in your tank can be toxic. If your pH is
in the 7.0 range, then ammonia is less toxic but still needs to be kept down
below 1.0ppm.

I don't recall what size tank you have so I'm not sure if your tank can
handle the proper number of fish to fill out the schools of danios, neons
and tetras so you would need to give us more info.

PLEASE, PLEASE COME OUT HERE AND ASK FOR ADVICE BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE
TO YOUR TANK. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE IDIOTS AT PET-NOT-SO-SMART.

FEEL FREE TO PRINT THIS AND SHOW IT TO THE MANAGER AT THE STORE WHEN ASKING
FOR YOUR REFUNDS ON ALL THE JUNK THEY SOLD YOU AND FOR THE FISH. YOU COULD
CONTINUE TO TRY AND CYCLE WITH ALL THE FISH YOU HAVE BUT YOU WILL BE
PERMANENTLY INJURING THEM BY PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE CYCLING PROCESS AND
THAT WILL ROB THEM OF SOME OF THEIR LIFESPAN OR ALL OF IT IF THEY DIE DURING
THE CYCLING PROCESS.

And yes, I typed in CAPS because I was literally screaming at the
Pet-not-so-smart IDIOTS if you choose to print my reply to show them. If
the manager tries to not give you a refund, tell him you will complain to
the BBB, the Chamber of Commerce, the local humane shelter, etc., etc., but
I don't think they will contest your refund.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anndrea
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:15 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...

Well, this tank was my idea, but technically it was given to my mom...and
she has been the one paying for almost everything for it/in it, so today she
convinced me to get more fish. We did not replace the single neon tetra.
Instead we added 4 danioes that are neon colors (orangey/pink and
yellowish/orange) and a silver something (sorry, bad memory - I think it's a
molly). So, I now have
2 tetras, 1 female betta, 1 (possibly) silver molly, and 4 neon colored
danioes. The silver one is bigger than the betta, and the neon danioes are a
bit bigger than the tetras, so I might be ok.
Especially if it is a dominance/territorial thing.

I know I may sound like an idiot for adding more fish, but please understand
I am not the only one making decisions here.

Oh and we got some live plants to put in there. A couple taller ones and a
couple not so tall ones. We did that, and added some beneficial bacteria
something (again, bad memory, sorry) because they tested the water (they
being Petsmart) and said the ammonia was a little high and the ph was a
little high (I think, she said the ph was off, but didn't elaborate).

We're going to see what happens next. If fish keep dying, we will stop
getting more and maybe start all over and add all the crap you're supposed
to and keep whatever fish are left for a couple months and see if we can try
again then.

thanks,
anndrea




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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25686 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Ok, I need advice/info, I think...
Checking along with this thread, I note you're already receiving some
excellent information. As I get into your posts I hoping, while you
may be a beginner (as it would appear), that you have a good interest
in these fish and an inclination to want to work with them to keep
them properly. I mention that only as I gather from some of your
statements that there seems to be some interest lacking for you to be
referring to your fish as "4 neon colored Danios," and "silver
something" and your plants as "a couple taller ones and a couple not
so tall." If you don't know the names for these fish and plants, and
want to learn, I'd recommend your (or your mom) investing in a good
reference book on the hobby. It can only add to your pleasure and to
your knowledge of how to keep them. BTW, Molly's, Danio's and
Tetra's are not territorial, although they all need their preferred
swimming niche (strata).

While I can't fault you in the least for accepting the advice of Pet-
not-so Smart (how would you know otherwise), if you have the interest
to want to get more involved with keeping your fish, I'd also
recommend your buying a several smaller or one large (master) test kit
(s) to test the water yourself rather than relying on the pet shop.
They're easy to use and are not that expensive -- and you be able to
get your reading anytime you need them.

As for adding water conditioner now -- this would be quite a bit
after the fact, since they're designed to make the water safe (before
adding the fish)! Know to, as has also been pointed out, that water
conditioners come in many formulas. You most probably need one only
designed to remove the chloramines (poisonous to fish) that your
water company is adding. With the beneficial bacteria additive,
while your stating it came in a bottle might indicate it was the
functional (live) type -- BioSpira -- the fact that your ammonia is
rising is telling you that whatever you purchased is not working and
can't be alive. If by chance it was BioSpira (which I too doubt),
know that it has a limited "shelf life" and needs to be stored in a
refrigerator at your LFS (local fish store). If it doesn't come like
that, its useless.

A remark I believe you made in a previous post about if fish keep
dying; "maybe start over and add all the crap you're supposed to . .
and see if we can try again." While its commendable to have the
attitude of re-trying this if you don't succeed this time, this
hobby should not be looked upon as being trial & error and the fish
should not be considered expendable, especially since there's a good
deal of literature out there on them if one wants to learn about them
first. So, don't rely on just one source (pet shop), we're here for
you all the time. Ray



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
>
> > Did you fishless cycle the tank first?
>
> No, we set it all up and let it sit 2 days, added a bottle of
> beneficial bacteria and the female betta, waited 2 days, added the
3
> tetras, and it went fine for 4-5 days. Then we lost 1 tetra.
> Replaced it the next day. Lost the replacement tetra 2 days later
> (today).
>
>
> > If you don't know what that means,
> > then you are cycling with fish and you need to be testing your
> > ammonia/nitrite levels on a daily basis
>
> I don't have a way to test daily, but the test today showed ammonia
> being a little high, and ph "off" (whatever she meant by that, I
> don't know). And that the nitrite/nitrate levels were fine.
>
>
> > and doing 25% PWC's (partial water
> > changes) as needed to keep the levels below 1.0ppm and preferably
> below
> > 0.5ppm until the tank fully completes the nitrogen cycle...
> anywhere from
> > 2-8 weeks.
>
> If I can't tell what the levels are, how would I know if I need to
> do that?
>
>
> > What size tank do you currently have, how long has it been set
up,
> > etc.
>
> We think it's about 10 gallons. It has been set up for about 10 or
> 11 days now.
>
> Today I was convinced to add more beneficial bacteria (becuase
> ammonia is a little high, so says the Petsmart lady who tested my
> water sample), and 5 more fish. We did not replace the tetra that
> died, rather added what I think is a silver something molly or
platy
> or something like that (yes, my memory IS that bad), and 4 neon
> colored danioes. So the list now is, 1 female betta, 2 neon tetras,
> 4 neon colored danioes, and 1 silver something (looks kinda white)
> fish. If these all survive, I will only add a chinese algae eater
to
> this.
>
> I don't know if that is all I did, please check the reply I sent to
> the other person who replied to my post...I might have said
> something there that I forgot to say here.
>
> Also, can I add water conditioner right now? It says it is for
> making tap water safe. To add x amount per gallon "when I add
water"
> maybe I should add it now, just to help everything get balanced out
> sooner for the fish?
>
> thanks,
> anndrea
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25687 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
If you dont mind not alot of fish, a pair of german
rams would be fun in there. They do not get real
large, but cichlids are always fun.

--- William <dreammaker2623@...> wrote:

> I found a conversion chart ant your 65 liters equals
> 16.9 gallons.
> That is not a very large for much of anything. And
> with not much
> floor space it cuts down even more for the types of
> fish that should
> be keep in a tank like that. You might get away with
> a pair of
> angelfish, but that is even small for
> them(recommended is 20 gallons
> per pair).Maybe you could get some of the dwarf
> freshwater puffers.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "jules27au"
> <jules27au@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My local aquarium has agreed to swap my two fist
> size silver
> dollars
> > (to place in a display tank) for any other fish I
> care to have.
> >
> > So that I can have an easy to care for, appealing
> looking tank, can
> I
> > have some suggestions please? FYI - I have a 65
> litre up-right
> > hexagonal tank & am happy to spend around 15-20
> mins a day on
> looking
> > after it.
> >
> > Water temp is constant at 26 degrees & yes I do
> regular testing of
> the
> > water.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Jules
> >
>
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25688 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
So sorry to hear about your loss. Not a fish but I lost one of my
catahoula leopards(hunting dogs) this weekend. I don't use them for
hunting just plain ol' loving. We name our fish like all our animals
and love them just as much. Again condolences from the heart.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every
single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25689 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Black Ghost Knife
They are so cool. Ours was loosing color in the mornings. Checked
heater and filters. Oooops! Needed water change. Now is doing fine with
no color loss. They say they can get 24". I'm already working on a
bigger tank. Our angels are getting so big they are going to need thier
own tank.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Gregg Bender" <greggb57@...> wrote:
>
> I have one, too. Over the years, I have managed to grow one to about
10
> inches. They are fun to watch and feed. As they get older, I add small
> mealworms to their diet of frozen bloodworms and chopped earthworms.
I've
> only had one at a time, so I have no idea how they breed.
>
>   
> Gregg Bender
> Owned by The Barks Brothers, four professional woofers.
> www.nvsr.org
>
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>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25690 From: Zinfin Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please
How about a group of smaller schooling fish like the varous kinds of rasboras, tetras or barbs? If you get barbs, don't plan on putting anything else in with them as they have a reputation for being nippy.

-----Original Message-----
From: "jules27au" <jules27au@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/3/2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Community Fish Tank - Suggestions Please


Hi,

My local aquarium has agreed to swap my two fist size silver dollars
(to place in a display tank) for any other fish I care to have.

So that I can have an easy to care for, appealing looking tank, can I
have some suggestions please? FYI - I have a 65 litre up-right
hexagonal tank & am happy to spend around 15-20 mins a day on looking
after it.

Water temp is constant at 26 degrees & yes I do regular testing of the
water.

Cheers

Jules
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25691 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Giant salamander
Man I love NG They also have puzzles of YOUR SHOT pics online.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Helen Pattskyn <thylacine_yawn@...>
wrote:
>
> neat stuff! (My daughter totally freaked out thinking it was
something I was looking at as a potential pet ;) I had to explain
that they are for zoos only.)
>
> .......But life goes on and it gets better... and when it doesn't get
better, there's always tequila.
>
> ---------------------------------
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Search.
>
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>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25692 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Thanks so much for the condolences everyone. It means a lot to have people who understand my grief. So many people think you're odd if you get attached to fish. I even knew most of the shrimp by slight differences in their appearances and had names for a few of them. The Badis/Darios were a major upset and the dart frogs really got me down. Ugh! A few really great people have offered various shrimp and fish to me. I think it's just amazing how people will stand up to help when bad things happen and I just wanted you all to know how much it's appreciated!!!
Thanks again!
Kate

ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
So sorry to hear about your loss. Not a fish but I lost one of my
catahoula leopards(hunting dogs) this weekend. I don't use them for
hunting just plain ol' loving. We name our fish like all our animals
and love them just as much. Again condolences from the heart.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every
single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25693 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. I have to vent
Ps. So sorry about your dog Ed! Catahoulas are very pretty.
Kate

ED <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
So sorry to hear about your loss. Not a fish but I lost one of my
catahoula leopards(hunting dogs) this weekend. I don't use them for
hunting just plain ol' loving. We name our fish like all our animals
and love them just as much. Again condolences from the heart.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kate" <k8hardy@...> wrote:
>
> Well I stayed at my boyfriend's house last night and when I came home
> to my condo this morning my place was over 100 degrees and every
single
> fish, shrimp and dart frog was dead. The poor fish and shrimp were
> boiled to death. I am SO upset. I cried for an hour. I have radiant
> heat/cooling and apparently the valve got stuck. My cats almost died
> too. This is terrible!
> Kate
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25694 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a hood
for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster & Smith
(< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (< www.thatfishplace.com
>). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to
tell them the size (to fit the hood).

(2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)
commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you
have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two
on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many
different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W.
Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.

(3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of
your tank, or at least its dimensions.

(4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they
prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its
surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there
were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still
contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank
size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I
wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for
other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a
hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case,
why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.

(5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry,
although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of
their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most
often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and
their fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator"
(YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use
the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the present
one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the
wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted with
such a stress.

I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move the
fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a
recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear
plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for various
uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have
to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if
you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the
size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion.
You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.

(6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough,
although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts.
They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for
their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better
tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids
instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus
centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C.
cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had
one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if
not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's
instead. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on
> craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking
> 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair
> of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2
> weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal.
> tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan
to
> keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will
> continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give
them
> away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions
about
> setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions
> about my convicts as well. Here they are:
>
> 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It has
> metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top
> (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood?
>
> 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that
> would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a
> couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is
> this a good idea?
>
> 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for
> this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if
> I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it
> have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this
> size tank?
>
> 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many
> great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones
> for the new tank?
>
> 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And
> should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new
> tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY
> protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from
danger
> from the other fish?
>
> 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more
> convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices?
> What other options are there, and how many should I have?
>
> I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really
> appreciate any input you have!
>
> TIA,
>
> Cheryl
> :D
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25695 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Cheryl, Your odd-shaped tank is called a Flat Back Hex Tank. You
can measure the length, width and hight and we can find what stock
tank fits those measurements. Since you're thinking it may hold
about 55 gallons, I'd tend to think that it may be the same length as
a 55 in that case, If you at all had a 55 gallon regular tank in mind
as an approximate comparison. A regular 55 gallon tank is 48" long.

Flat Back Hex tanks also come 48" long as one of their styles. This
length (48") Flat Back Hex comes in two different sizes; 48" x 18" x
20" - 65 gallons, and 48" x 18" x 24" - 85 gallons. These tanks also
come longer and shorter than 48", as 36" x 18" x 20" - 50 gallons,
and 30" x 12" x 12" - 20 gallons.

Bushy-Nose Pleco's do a grat job cleaning up the tank. You might
want to look into a couple of Long-Fin albino Bushy-Nose Pleco's
which are quite decorative.

Your best bet in locating Colorquartz is to call 3M for the dealer
nearest you. Phone number -- 1-(800) - 447-2914. This comes in at
least two different grades; S Grade which is very fine, almost like
powder, and T grade which is about like medium sand. There may be
another Grade you could inquire about which I understand is about
like fine gravel (if they produce it), supposedly used for roofing.
Either of these two Grades (S anmd T) are too fine to effectively
grow plants in as it will compact too much for proper root growth.
You'd have to mix it with aquarium gravel, as I believe you had in
mind anyway. While some hobbyists do use this for tanks such as
African (Rift Lake) Cichlids, be advised that Quartz is a very hard
mineral and can easily scratch glass tanks if you're not careful. Ray




--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@...>
wrote:
>
> Lenny,
>
> Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Unfortunately I can't get a
> break down of the size of my tank after all from the site you
linked
> because it is designed to measure a hexagonal tank where all 6
sides
> are equal. My tanks sides are not equal, the 2 sides are equal,
the
> two corners are equal, the back is long, and the front is short.
So
> there are 4 different side lengths, if that makes any sense
>
> ____
> | |
> \____/
>
> It's kind of shaped like that (that's the best drawing job I can
do,
> lol). We'll just have to see how big it is when we fill it. I'm
> thinking 55, based on how full it was when I put 5 gallons of water
> in to rinse it out.
>
> Anyway, I thought there were plecos that were smaller. We have one
> in our 10 gal. tank which we've had for awhile now and he's hardly
> grown at all. What kind of algae eaters, tank cleaners would you
> recommend?
>
> Oh, and does anyone know where to locate 3M Colorquartz? Do most
> pool supply stores carry it?
>
> Thanks again for the reply!
>
> Cheryl
> :D
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25696 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
I meant to include a third size of 48" long Flat Back Hex tank, but I
see I left it out. That one measures 48" x 15" x 24" - 75 gallons.
Let us know which one you have. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Cheryl, Your odd-shaped tank is called a Flat Back Hex Tank. You
> can measure the length, width and hight and we can find what stock
> tank fits those measurements. Since you're thinking it may hold
> about 55 gallons, I'd tend to think that it may be the same length
as
> a 55 in that case, If you at all had a 55 gallon regular tank in
mind
> as an approximate comparison. A regular 55 gallon tank is 48"
long.
>
> Flat Back Hex tanks also come 48" long as one of their styles.
This
> length (48") Flat Back Hex comes in two different sizes; 48" x 18"
x
> 20" - 65 gallons, and 48" x 18" x 24" - 85 gallons. These tanks
also
> come longer and shorter than 48", as 36" x 18" x 20" - 50 gallons,
> and 30" x 12" x 12" - 20 gallons.
>
> Bushy-Nose Pleco's do a grat job cleaning up the tank. You might
> want to look into a couple of Long-Fin albino Bushy-Nose Pleco's
> which are quite decorative.
>
> Your best bet in locating Colorquartz is to call 3M for the dealer
> nearest you. Phone number -- 1-(800) - 447-2914. This comes in at
> least two different grades; S Grade which is very fine, almost like
> powder, and T grade which is about like medium sand. There may be
> another Grade you could inquire about which I understand is about
> like fine gravel (if they produce it), supposedly used for
roofing.
> Either of these two Grades (S anmd T) are too fine to effectively
> grow plants in as it will compact too much for proper root growth.
> You'd have to mix it with aquarium gravel, as I believe you had in
> mind anyway. While some hobbyists do use this for tanks such as
> African (Rift Lake) Cichlids, be advised that Quartz is a very hard
> mineral and can easily scratch glass tanks if you're not careful.
Ray
>
>
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Lenny,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Unfortunately I can't get a
> > break down of the size of my tank after all from the site you
> linked
> > because it is designed to measure a hexagonal tank where all 6
> sides
> > are equal. My tanks sides are not equal, the 2 sides are equal,
> the
> > two corners are equal, the back is long, and the front is short.
> So
> > there are 4 different side lengths, if that makes any sense
> >
> > ____
> > | |
> > \____/
> >
> > It's kind of shaped like that (that's the best drawing job I can
> do,
> > lol). We'll just have to see how big it is when we fill it. I'm
> > thinking 55, based on how full it was when I put 5 gallons of
water
> > in to rinse it out.
> >
> > Anyway, I thought there were plecos that were smaller. We have
one
> > in our 10 gal. tank which we've had for awhile now and he's
hardly
> > grown at all. What kind of algae eaters, tank cleaners would you
> > recommend?
> >
> > Oh, and does anyone know where to locate 3M Colorquartz? Do most
> > pool supply stores carry it?
> >
> > Thanks again for the reply!
> >
> > Cheryl
> > :D
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25697 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Angels laid eggs
Hi:

My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?

As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
since they get nippy when with children?

Thanks.

Jeannie
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25698 From: ED Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Myself not sure but I did find this http://www.lifeinfozone.com/pets-
products/the-fun-tropical-angel-fish/
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=158
http://www.petfishtalk.com/interviews/breeding_angels/breeding_angels.ht
m

We have angels we are hoping will breed but havn't seen any egg laying.
Hope this helps some.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25699 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Jeannie, I gather what you mean is you've had these Angels for 2
months (LOL). Two month old Angels would be about the size of a
quarter and about 7 months away from breeding size. From what you're
saying then, the pair laid the eggs on the back glass. I have to
assume then that you must have used some type of a scraper to remove
and transfer them. I'm not quite sure what you mean by them
being "lumped together," but if they're piled on top of each other and
not spread out in a singler layer the bottom ones are not getting
oxygen and are dying. The fuzzy stuff is fungus, and if the eggs are
all touching each other it will spread throughout them. A funguscide
should be used to counteract this, but with the eggs all "lumped
together," this is a moot point at this time; I'm afraid the spawn is
lost. Then too, they would no doubt have been lost had you left them
where they were since the male was eating them. For best result with
breeding them, they should be moved to their own tank, preferably at
least a 20 high. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25700 From: Tonya Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
-I think you better might have your tank checked for ick. cause i have
angels about the same age and. i was for sure they was having babies
they looked just liked you explained. we come to find out i took a
sample downto the pet store and it was ick. i would not go to a big
pet store but one who is a small buisness owner. they know what to look
for. but i think this might be your problem







-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25701 From: Tonya Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
-

Close-up photography of developing tropical Angelfish fryMy daughter
Annie and I used to breed and raise tropical angelfish. These pages
contain images from our close-up photography of our fish. ...
home.earthlink.net/~photofish/ - 5k



type in the link home.earthlink.net/~photofish/.com




this has picture or angels breeding and pics of their fry









-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25702 From: Wendie Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
It sounds like the eggs are full of fungus which is why the male would eat them. The female might have laid infertile eggs or they turned bad naturally. It's also normal for the parents to eat a bad batch of eggs. If it was the first try for the pair, it could very well be a bad batch that was laid.

The eggs should not be lumped together either. They need to be single file with air movement. One of the reasons the parents fan the eggs is to keep them from turning bad.

The parents will defend the eggs and will keep the other fish away. However, move them if you want everything to go along peacefully. I had one pair that kept a 6 inch Oscar at bay when they spawned. They are fun to watch when they breed. The wash the babies, take them for a walk, put them to bed at night when they're really young. That gets funny at times.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tonya
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs


-

Close-up photography of developing tropical Angelfish fryMy daughter
Annie and I used to breed and raise tropical angelfish. These pages
contain images from our close-up photography of our fish. ...
home.earthlink.net/~photofish/ - 5k

type in the link home.earthlink.net/~photofish/.com

this has picture or angels breeding and pics of their fry

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie
>





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25703 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Thanks for everyone's help. Raymond, thanks for helping me to
clarify that I have indeed had them for 2 months. :-)

What most of you have described (thanks Tonya, but it's not
ick...these are definitely fish eggs) is correct. All but two or
three are lumped together, but are pretty flat in nature - none on
top of another. I moved the eggs by scraping the corners with the
corner of the net feeder, which worked perfectly to remove them from
the walls. I hope that didn't cause problems.

Regarding the fungus, it is growing and nothing is happening (no
wiggling or growth of eggs). Since reading your responses, I may
take them out and let the Angels eat them? Or would that make them
sick? At any rate, you're probably right. They do not look healthy.

So, when you see an Angel eating eggs, that means they're
infertile. What makes them infertile? The dad not fertilizing properly?

Thanks, again.

Jeannie



At 05:40 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

>It sounds like the eggs are full of fungus which is why the male
>would eat them. The female might have laid infertile eggs or they
>turned bad naturally. It's also normal for the parents to eat a bad
>batch of eggs. If it was the first try for the pair, it could very
>well be a bad batch that was laid.
>
>The eggs should not be lumped together either. They need to be
>single file with air movement. One of the reasons the parents fan
>the eggs is to keep them from turning bad.
>
>The parents will defend the eggs and will keep the other fish away.
>However, move them if you want everything to go along peacefully. I
>had one pair that kept a 6 inch Oscar at bay when they spawned. They
>are fun to watch when they breed. The wash the babies, take them for
>a walk, put them to bed at night when they're really young. That
>gets funny at times.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25704 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Tonya,

Ich is a very small parasite that attaches itself to the skin of fish and it
looks like the fish was sprinkled with salt.

I think your pet store employee who told you that was full of BS-ich! ;-)
I hope they didn't sell you some Ich medicine.

What kind of sample did you bring and what kind of test did they do to come
up with their ich conclusion?

I have a little test where I question pet store and fish store employees
about "that nitrogen cycle thing", "fishless cycling with ammonia" and
"BioSpira" and when they know very little about these three things, it gives
me an idea that they know very little about the fish keeping hobby in
general.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tonya
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:18 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs

-I think you better might have your tank checked for ick. cause i have
angels about the same age and. i was for sure they was having babies they
looked just liked you explained. we come to find out i took a sample downto
the pet store and it was ick. i would not go to a big pet store but one who
is a small buisness owner. they know what to look for. but i think this
might be your problem

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25705 From: derwag Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: New tank
Hello All:

I would appreciate your thoughts on:

1) I am considering a new tank - either a 38 gallon or 46 bow. My
concern on the bow is that there will be too much distortion. I am
interested in hearing how much or little there really is.

2) What brand canister filter would you recommend (and size) for these
tanks? What is the real different in performance and reliability
among Eheim, Fluval, and Marineland?

Thanks for your insights!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25706 From: tonya shriver Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
i defiantly aint stupid. i did some research on the web and asked more than just one pet store. i took water samples and the fuzzy problem with me and none of the pet stores was related in any way possible. but thanks for your concern but i always do my homework before sking any q's


----- Original Message ----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 7:40:45 PM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs

Tonya,

Ich is a very small parasite that attaches itself to the skin of fish and it
looks like the fish was sprinkled with salt.

I think your pet store employee who told you that was full of BS-ich! ;-)
I hope they didn't sell you some Ich medicine.

What kind of sample did you bring and what kind of test did they do to come
up with their ich conclusion?

I have a little test where I question pet store and fish store employees
about "that nitrogen cycle thing", "fishless cycling with ammonia" and
"BioSpira" and when they know very little about these three things, it gives
me an idea that they know very little about the fish keeping hobby in
general.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tonya
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:18 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs

-I think you better might have your tank checked for ick. cause i have
angels about the same age and. i was for sure they was having babies they
looked just liked you explained. we come to find out i took a sample downto
the pet store and it was ick. i would not go to a big pet store but one who
is a small buisness owner. they know what to look for. but i think this
might be your problem

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows, tetras, a
> gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own tank
> since they get nippy when with children?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jeannie

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25707 From: nice6669 Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: fresh water rays
i have a 125 gal oscar tank and would like to add rays i have a sand
bottom and the fish store said it should work help please
p
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25708 From: Jenn Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Water Fleas
I noticed that I have water fleas. From what I have read, they really
aren't a threat to my tank but is there a way to get rid of them?



Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25709 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Jeannie, The behavior that has been described, and the one you are
posing a question about is only one of many. These eggs may have
been perfectly good (i.e., fertilized), but often one or both
partners of a young inexperienced pair will eat the eggs anyway,
sometimes for reasons we can only guess at -- like the immediate
appearance of the spawn looking more appetizing as to overwhelm the
instinct that this is their future generation to be raised. Some
pairs may need to go through this spawning experience several times
before they get it right, even devouring fry on occasion.

Another quite definite scenario is that the pair may well have felt
that the other fish in the tank appeared too much of a threat to the
eggs in their possibility to eat them, and decided to eat the eggs
themselves rather than have the tankmate intruders devour them. This
response comes about when the pair feels there are too many possible
intruders for them to be able to defend the eggs against. Feeling
the present environment presented no possibility for raising fry at
this time, they would rather make use of these resources themselves
to be able to produce another spawn in the near future when the
environment might be less threatening.

I had surmized how you removed the eggs, and they can be removed in
this manner successfully at times, although some may have been
damaged, inviting fungus to set in to them (and spreading) without
the use of an anti-fungal agent. These eggs are increasingly less
difficult to remove over the next day or two, but that luxury is
seldom available. I understand there was little choice though, on
your part, to attempt to act on the situation presently.

Don't allow the parents to eat the eggs at this stage in the game.
This would serve no useful purpose. As for possible reason(s) why
the eggs may have been infertile (if in fact they were?), yes, an
inexperienced male may not have fertilized them, had that been the
case. Along these same lines, while its entirely possible that he
may have been doing his job, in the presence of a strong current
(airstone or filter outlet), his milt may have been washed away from
the spawning site before having the opportunity to reach the eggs --
if it was seen that the eggs were infertile, in the presence of this
influence. Ray




--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for everyone's help. Raymond, thanks for helping me to
> clarify that I have indeed had them for 2 months. :-)
>
> What most of you have described (thanks Tonya, but it's not
> ick...these are definitely fish eggs) is correct. All but two or
> three are lumped together, but are pretty flat in nature - none on
> top of another. I moved the eggs by scraping the corners with the
> corner of the net feeder, which worked perfectly to remove them
from
> the walls. I hope that didn't cause problems.
>
> Regarding the fungus, it is growing and nothing is happening (no
> wiggling or growth of eggs). Since reading your responses, I may
> take them out and let the Angels eat them? Or would that make them
> sick? At any rate, you're probably right. They do not look
healthy.
>
> So, when you see an Angel eating eggs, that means they're
> infertile. What makes them infertile? The dad not fertilizing
properly?
>
> Thanks, again.
>
> Jeannie
>
>
>
> At 05:40 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:
>
> >It sounds like the eggs are full of fungus which is why the male
> >would eat them. The female might have laid infertile eggs or they
> >turned bad naturally. It's also normal for the parents to eat a
bad
> >batch of eggs. If it was the first try for the pair, it could very
> >well be a bad batch that was laid.
> >
> >The eggs should not be lumped together either. They need to be
> >single file with air movement. One of the reasons the parents fan
> >the eggs is to keep them from turning bad.
> >
> >The parents will defend the eggs and will keep the other fish
away.
> >However, move them if you want everything to go along peacefully.
I
> >had one pair that kept a 6 inch Oscar at bay when they spawned.
They
> >are fun to watch when they breed. The wash the babies, take them
for
> >a walk, put them to bed at night when they're really young. That
> >gets funny at times.
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25710 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Jenn, If you have water fleas (Daphnia), the "problem" should soon
take care of itself. Just about any and all fish relish them as this
is a prime food for fish in the natural habitat when and where they
coexist. Its cetainly nothing to worry about, as they are not "fleas"
in the manner we thing of such pests on dogs, and are really of little
concern. Many advanced hobbyists raise Daphnia specifically to feed
their fish with, especially since its a good live food despite the fact
there's a lot of shell matter. Daphnia are often sold in better LFS's
for this same purpose. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed that I have water fleas. From what I have read, they really
> aren't a threat to my tank but is there a way to get rid of them?
>
>
>
> Jenn
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25711 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
"p," What help are you looking for (confirmation that this is
correct?)? Yes, this will work! That is of couse, unless the Oscars
get too inquisitive, but many large Cichlid hobbyists keep rays with
their large Cichlids quite successfully with the most peaceful
coexistance. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "nice6669" <nice6669@...> wrote:
>
> i have a 125 gal oscar tank and would like to add rays i have a sand
> bottom and the fish store said it should work help please
> p
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25712 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
What kind of FW rays? Most of them get far too large for a 125. Make sure
you do your homework and learn the scientific name of the proposed rays,
from your LFS, so you can be sure you are getting a species that will thrive
in your tank. I remember reading something about a dwarf species but I did
a quick Google search and only saw small snippets about them with no pages
looking definitive. Anything larger than a dwarf specimen would put a
strain on your stocking since an Oscar probably likes that size tank
anyhow... not to mention that they are both bottom dwellers.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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Behalf Of nice6669
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:46 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] fresh water rays

i have a 125 gal oscar tank and would like to add rays i have a sand bottom
and the fish store said it should work help please p



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25713 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
Couldn't help but add to this thread. No need to be defiant about
it, but I understand you have some knowledge of the fish hobby. In
trying to fully understand this though, am I to believe that the LFS
diagnosed Ich from a water sample? Can you please enlighten us as to
how they came to this deduction, if you might know their procedure
for this? They would have had to at least view a water sample under
a microscope in an effort to try to find either dormant (resting)
cysts, spores or free-swimming Ich trophants which is highly unlikely
even conceeding the possibility of them recognizing such protozoans.
Ich is microscopic and cannot be seen with the naked eye. When you
see a white spot on the skin of a fish, you are not seeing the Ich
protozoan, but are viewing the fish's skin in reaction to it. Is it
possible, besides bringing a water sample to your pet shop, that you
also brought along some Angelfish eggs (fungused), since you're also
mentioning the "fuzzy problem"? -- which would indicate fungused fish
eggs. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, tonya shriver
<ialreadytaken4@...> wrote:
>
> i defiantly aint stupid. i did some research on the web and asked
more than just one pet store. i took water samples and the fuzzy
problem with me and none of the pet stores was related in any way
possible. but thanks for your concern but i always do my homework
before sking any q's
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 7:40:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs
>
> Tonya,
>
> Ich is a very small parasite that attaches itself to the skin of
fish and it
> looks like the fish was sprinkled with salt.
>
> I think your pet store employee who told you that was full of BS-
ich! ;-)
> I hope they didn't sell you some Ich medicine.
>
> What kind of sample did you bring and what kind of test did they do
to come
> up with their ich conclusion?
>
> I have a little test where I question pet store and fish store
employees
> about "that nitrogen cycle thing", "fishless cycling with ammonia"
and
> "BioSpira" and when they know very little about these three things,
it gives
> me an idea that they know very little about the fish keeping hobby
in
> general.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Tonya
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:18 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Angels laid eggs
>
> -I think you better might have your tank checked for ick. cause i
have
> angels about the same age and. i was for sure they was having
babies they
> looked just liked you explained. we come to find out i took a
sample downto
> the pet store and it was ick. i would not go to a big pet store but
one who
> is a small buisness owner. they know what to look for. but i think
this
> might be your problem
>
> -- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%
40yahoogroups.com> ,
> Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of
my
> > 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> > snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box
(with
> > slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one.
The
> > eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> > stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
> >
> > As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows,
tetras, a
> > gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own
tank
> > since they get nippy when with children?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jeannie
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25714 From: Gregg Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Terrible day
I'm terribly sorry to hear of your loss, Ed. As a fellow dog lover, owner
and rescuer, I know how deeply that can affect you. My pack of Shelties
sends their condolences and reminds you that your dog will be waiting for
you at the Rainbow Bridge.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25715 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/4/2008
Subject: Re: fresh water rays
There are at least 6 or 7 "dwarf" freshwater stingrays commonly being
imported for the hobby which vary in size from 23cm (9 1/4") to 29cm
(11 5/8") in diameter when full grown. These include Potamotrygon
scobina, P. yepezi. P. zignata, P. magdalenae, P. orbhyt, P.
shuhmacheri and P. humeraxa (sp?), all which seem to make fine
tankmates for large Cichlids. Its noted that some (lazy) Oscars like
to lounge around on the bottom sometimes, often even leaning against
an object, but they are really mid-water occupants. Agreed though,
that there are a few rays such as the very attractive spotted
stingray (P. leopoldi) that are unfortunately sold in the hobby due
to their popularity, which can get to 24", with the females getting
even larger. I guess they're destined for a fish fry after
outgrowing their tanks <g>. Perfect filets! Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> What kind of FW rays? Most of them get far too large for a 125.
Make sure
> you do your homework and learn the scientific name of the proposed
rays,
> from your LFS, so you can be sure you are getting a species that
will thrive
> in your tank. I remember reading something about a dwarf species
but I did
> a quick Google search and only saw small snippets about them with
no pages
> looking definitive. Anything larger than a dwarf specimen would
put a
> strain on your stocking since an Oscar probably likes that size tank
> anyhow... not to mention that they are both bottom dwellers.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of nice6669
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:46 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] fresh water rays
>
> i have a 125 gal oscar tank and would like to add rays i have a
sand bottom
> and the fish store said it should work help please p
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25716 From: my_cycling Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36"
across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the
longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back
is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The
front side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So
here's the final rundown

Side 1. 36"
Side 2. 8"
Side 3. 8"
Side 4. 8.5"
Side 5. 8.5"
Side 6. 22.5"

Total 91.5"

Height 21"

Let me know what you think the volume is.

Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes
sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've
never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon
tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was
doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more,
fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable
fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a
water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to
have a little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm
moving my convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.

My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock
caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with
plants on the other and a rock cave there too. The breeding area is
on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most of their
time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it
would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I
included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some additional
cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how
the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I
don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).

I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could
join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do
well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything
with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they
are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might pick,
if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)

TIA,

Cheryl
:D

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a
hood
> for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster &
Smith
> (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (<
www.thatfishplace.com
> >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to
> tell them the size (to fit the hood).
>
> (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)
> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see
you
> have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The
two
> on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in
many
> different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford
W.
> Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.
>
> (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of
> your tank, or at least its dimensions.
>
> (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they
> prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its
> surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there
> were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still
> contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank
> size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted.
I
> wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for
> other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a
> hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any
case,
> why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.
>
> (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their
fry,
> although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective
of
> their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most
> often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids
and
> their fry is that they will eat them rather than have
this "predator"
> (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can
use
> the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the
present
> one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the
> wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted
with
> such a stress.
>
> I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move
the
> fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a
> recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear
> plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for
various
> uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll
have
> to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if
> you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the
> size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight
motion.
> You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.
>
> (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough,
> although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the
Convicts.
> They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for
> their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while.
Better
> tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids
> instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus
> centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C.
> cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you
had
> one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if
> not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose
Pleco's
> instead. Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on
> > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm
thinking
> > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding
pair
> > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2
> > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10
gal.
> > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't
plan
> to
> > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will
> > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give
> them
> > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions
> about
> > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple
questions
> > about my convicts as well. Here they are:
> >
> > 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It
has
> > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top
> > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a
hood?
> >
> > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids
that
> > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a
> > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is
> > this a good idea?
> >
> > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two
for
> > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What
if
> > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it
> > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for
this
> > size tank?
> >
> > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have
many
> > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new
ones
> > for the new tank?
> >
> > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other?
And
> > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the
new
> > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY
> > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from
> danger
> > from the other fish?
> >
> > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want
more
> > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good
choices?
> > What other options are there, and how many should I have?
> >
> > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really
> > appreciate any input you have!
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Cheryl
> > :D
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25717 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be 78.5455

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To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: my_cycling@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice




Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36" across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundownSide 1. 36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total 91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too. The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a hood > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster & Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (< www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many > different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W. > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I > wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for > other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a > hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case, > why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator" > (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use > the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the present > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had > one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if > not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's > instead. Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >>







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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25718 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Your dimensions here almost correspond with one of the sets of
dimensions I've given (except for the height difference of 1"); This
may be do to different aquarium manufacturers using varying top and
bottom trims. The closest aquarium to this that I've pointed out is
rated at 50 gallons. Using your set of dimensions, I've come up with
a rough volume capacity of 59.3 gallons (full length X width x height
divided by 231) without allowing for (deducting) the two volume-
reducing angles on the front. Your extra inch in height equals 1.25
(1 1/4) gallons, or if added to the tank closest to what I gave you
is 51 1/4 gallons (tank manufacturers often round off these volumes
to facilitate marketing, anyway).

I would not consider an Oscar for this size tank, especially when
adding a medium sized (6" - 8" max) Pleco, as it will get a little
tight. There are any number of non-Cichlid companions to consider.
Among those are several of the larger species of Australian (and New
Guinea) Rainbowfish. Gourami's may also be considered, with the
Pearl Gourami being one of the more peaceful ones. Larger species of
Molly's should also fair well, if you can "painlessly" (out of the
tap) maintain the water on the alkaline side, as it preferably should
be anyway for Convict Cichlids -- and add a bit of salt. Some of the
larger Barbs should also do well, which would include the Clown Barb,
the Striped Barb and the "T" Barb. Then too, Giant Danio's would
make a nice addition. While any of these choices may do well with
Convict Cichlids, not all of these may necessarily do well with each
other. If considering more than one companion species, let us know
which ones you've decided on.

I don't understand your inclination for South American Cichlids as
companions to your Convicts. For one thing, they have different
water requirements for the most part, even though either group will
somewhat adapt to the other's water parameters providing they're not
too far off their own.

Besides that, Central American Cichlids have evolved in an
environment requiring them to be more competitive and aggressive,
compared to most South American Cichlids which do not have as much
competition and thus are comparatively less aggressive. Reasons for
these differences are, for one major factor, that Central American
Cichlids have not had the luxury of immense expanses of water to
habitat (adding to competion for territory) within their much smaller
streams and rivers whereas, except for the Western Drainage, most
South American Cichlids have the much broader expanses of the hugh
Amazon, Esquibo and Orinoco river drainages including all their
tributories to evolve in. If you've ever been on one of the many
Central American rives you'd find for the most part that they're not
all that wide (nor are they especially long). While South American
Cichlids can hold their own, species as large as Oscars are pussycats
when compared to any equal-sized Central American Cichlid, excepting
perhaps most of the S.A. Pike Cichlids which, because of their
smaller niche (faster water), need to be more competitive.

These are the reasons I suggested other similar sized Central
American Cichlids, which goes along with your recognition that the
Convict's companions need to be "equally as aggressive as they are."
As for the non-Cichlid companions I recommended, most are too fast to
have to worry about the Convict's aggressiveness, and any of the
slower ones have sufficient room in your 50 gallon hex to be able to
avoid them when also considering your intention to plant this tank.

Common names for your use, for the C.A. Cichlids I recommended are:
Flier or Green-Fin Cichlid (Archocentrus centrarchus), Rainbow
Cichlid (A. multispinosa - ex-Herotilapia multispinosa), Blue Eyed
Cichlid (Cryptoheros sajica), C. cutteri (Cutter's Cichlid) and
Firemouth Cichlid (Thorichthys meeki). Many of the wholesalers just
use the species (last) name of them when referring to them, such
as "sajica," as these names are often more well known than
their "common" names. I did include only the common names for those
non-Cichlid recommendations, for your convenience, but let me know if
you need the scientific names of any, if some are confusing to your
LFS. Ray




--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@...>
wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36"
> across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the
> longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to
back
> is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The
> front side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So
> here's the final rundown
>
> Side 1. 36"
> Side 2. 8"
> Side 3. 8"
> Side 4. 8.5"
> Side 5. 8.5"
> Side 6. 22.5"
>
> Total 91.5"
>
> Height 21"
>
> Let me know what you think the volume is.
>
> Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes
> sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've
> never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon
> tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was
> doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more,
> fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable
> fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a
> water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to
> have a little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm
> moving my convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.
>
> My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock
> caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with
> plants on the other and a rock cave there too. The breeding area
is
> on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most of their
> time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it
> would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I
> included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some additional
> cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how
> the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I
> don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).
>
> I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that
could
> join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do
> well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything
> with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they
> are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might
pick,
> if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)
>
> TIA,
>
> Cheryl
> :D
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
> <sevenspringss@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a
> hood
> > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster &
> Smith
> > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (<
> www.thatfishplace.com
> > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to
> > tell them the size (to fit the hood).
> >
> > (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)
> > commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see
> you
> > have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The
> two
> > on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in
> many
> > different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order)
Clifford
> W.
> > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different
colors.
> >
> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume
of
> > your tank, or at least its dimensions.
> >
> > (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as
they
> > prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its
> > surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect
there
> > were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still
> > contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank
> > size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted.
> I
> > wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it
for
> > other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a
> > hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any
> case,
> > why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.
> >
> > (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their
> fry,
> > although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective
> of
> > their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most
> > often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids
> and
> > their fry is that they will eat them rather than have
> this "predator"
> > (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can
> use
> > the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the
> present
> > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in
the
> > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted
> with
> > such a stress.
> >
> > I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move
> the
> > fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a
> > recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible
clear
> > plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for
> various
> > uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll
> have
> > to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially
if
> > you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the
> > size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight
> motion.
> > You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.
> >
> > (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large
enough,
> > although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the
> Convicts.
> > They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for
> > their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while.
> Better
> > tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids
> > instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus
> > centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica,
C.
> > cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you
> had
> > one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24"
if
> > not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose
> Pleco's
> > instead. Ray
> >
> >
> > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on
> > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm
> thinking
> > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding
> pair
> > > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2
> > > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10
> gal.
> > > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't
> plan
> > to
> > > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will
> > > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give
> > them
> > > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions
> > about
> > > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple
> questions
> > > about my convicts as well. Here they are:
> > >
> > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It
> has
> > > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on
top
> > > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a
> hood?
> > >
> > > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids
> that
> > > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a
> > > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel,
is
> > > this a good idea?
> > >
> > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two
> for
> > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it?
What
> if
> > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does
it
> > > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for
> this
> > > size tank?
> > >
> > > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have
> many
> > > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new
> ones
> > > for the new tank?
> > >
> > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other?
> And
> > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the
> new
> > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY
> > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from
> > danger
> > > from the other fish?
> > >
> > > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want
> more
> > > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good
> choices?
> > > What other options are there, and how many should I have?
> > >
> > > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really
> > > appreciate any input you have!
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Cheryl
> > > :D
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25719 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Somewhere in your calculations, you're using Cheryl's dimensions
wrong. A full-sized 36" x 18" x 21" aquarium will have a capacity of
approximately 59 gallons -- this is without taking off the two
front "corners" (allowing for the two short angled front panels)
which would decrease this volume. The tank can hold no more than 59
gallons, and will hold less because of the angled front panels. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be 78.5455
>
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>
>
> To: AquaticLife@...: my_cycling@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39
+0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need
advice
>
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36"
across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the
longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back
is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The front
side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the
final rundownSide 1. 36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5.
8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total 91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the
volume is.Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It
makes sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've
never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon
tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was
doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more,
fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable fish
together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water
change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a
little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my
convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.My current tank
design is half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken
terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with plants on the other and
a rock cave there too. The breeding area is on the non planted part
of the tank of course, and most of their time is spent there as well.
But before I got them I read that it would be good for the female to
have some hiding spots, so I included plants to give her (and the
potential fry) some additional cover. So far they have not uprooted
many of them, and I love how the plants grow and offer a natural food
source for the fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I
like it).I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions
that could join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American
cichlids do well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so
anything with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive
as they are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might
pick, if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)
TIA,Cheryl:D--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@> wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on
this: (1) As for a hood > for your tank, there should be one
available. Try Drs Foster & Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That
Fish Place (< www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your
Flat Back Hex tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the
hood).> > (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you
prefer)> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I
see you > have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size.
The two > on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium
gravel in many > different colors, or you should be able to buy (or
order) Clifford W. > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in
many different colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we
need to know the volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.>
> (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they
> prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its >
surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there >
were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still >
contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank >
size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I >
wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for >
other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a >
hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case,
> why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.> >
(5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry,
> although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective
of > their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most
> often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and
> their fry is that they will eat them rather than have
this "predator" > (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that
way, they can use > the nutrition to spawn again to start another
brood where the present > one would have been devoured by the
predator -- or at least in the > wild, and they think no differently
in captivity when confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not
attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if
they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle
(bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic
hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses).
Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to
first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you
try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size
of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You
may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6)
You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, >
although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. >
They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for >
their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better
> tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids >
instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus >
centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. >
cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had >
one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if >
not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's >
instead. Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling"
<my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a
new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what
size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a
hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small
brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has
been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to
move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry,
especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like
rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're
big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up
my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my
convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal -
not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that
form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any
sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the
best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good
tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple
different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a
good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge
filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big
do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working
properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank?
How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to
plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in
my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new
tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the
other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other
fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict
parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep
the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are
the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I
do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other
options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the
questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any
input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25720 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Oops, I made a mistake in my calculation. If you look at the footprint of the tank, visualize it as two areas.

The first area is 36" x 18" x 21" = 13608 cu in

The second is a trapezoid which can be represented by a parallelogram by dividing in half and inverting one of the halves making it's dimensions 22.5" x 4.5" x 21" = 2126.25 cu in

13608 + 2126.25 = 15734.25 cu in

15734.25 divided by 231 = 68.1136 gallon

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To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.comFrom: huron62@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:00:15 -0500Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice




Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be 78.5455Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: my_cycling@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need adviceThanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36" across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundownSide 1. 36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total 91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too. The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@...> wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a hood > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster & Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (< www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many > different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W. > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I > wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for > other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a > hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case, > why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator" > (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use > the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the present > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had > one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if > not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's > instead. Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25721 From: ''Grey'' Greymane Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Um... I think you have figured wrong... You have figured the measurement front to back as 18" when it is in fact 24". If Cheryl in fact had a square tank, the footprint would be 24" x 36" x 21" = 18144 cu in. Divided by 231 would be 78.5455 gallons. Now you must subtract the size of the "triangles". The triangles measure 4.5" x 6.75" x 21" = 637.875 cu in divided by 231 = 2.7614 gallons:

78.5455 -2.7614 = 75.7841 gallons
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To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom: sevenspringss@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:11:49 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice




Somewhere in your calculations, you're using Cheryl's dimensions wrong. A full-sized 36" x 18" x 21" aquarium will have a capacity of approximately 59 gallons -- this is without taking off the two front "corners" (allowing for the two short angled front panels) which would decrease this volume. The tank can hold no more than 59 gallons, and will hold less because of the angled front panels. Ray--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@...> wrote:>> > Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be 78.5455> > Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.> > > To: AquaticLife@...: my_cycling@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice> > > > > Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36" across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundownSide 1. 36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total 91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would add more. He probably had incompatable fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too. The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and when you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use common names if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a hood > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster & Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (< www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many > different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W. > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I > wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for > other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a > hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case, > why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator" > (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use > the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the present > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had > one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if > not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's > instead. Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal -not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>







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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25722 From: hank voss Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:

Jeanie:
Another bit of information on this thread.Two females will also
go through the the breeding proceedure.If this is the case then you
will never get fertileeggs.
HANK

> Hi:
>
> My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
>
> A
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25723 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Cheryl said:

"...Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense.
I've never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept
fish with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.)..."

Hi Cheryl,

I see others have gone over the measurements with you but I want to address
this one snippet out of your post.

When you say that you've never kept fish with long life spans and mentioned
goldfish, I wanted to clarify something for you. Goldfish should live for a
LONGGGGGG time. Fancy goldfish have shorter lifespans but should still make
it 15-20 years although many do have internal genetic defects due to the
inbreeding/crossbreeding so many do not make it that long. Long bodied
goldfish should make it for over 25 years and the record by several goldfish
is over 40 years right now. Many larger aquarium fish live for long life
spans. Now many of the smaller tropicals do have shorter lifespans but
should still make it 3-5+ years.

Here is my blog article I've been working on a few years that lists the
expected lifespans of hundreds of common aquarium fish.
http://goldlenny.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-long-should-aquarium-fish-live.htm
l (If the link breaks, just go to my main blog and the link is on the right
side).

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of my_cycling
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:04 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice

Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36"
across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest
point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the
point of the triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is
22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundown

Side 1. 36"
Side 2. 8"
Side 3. 8"
Side 4. 8.5"
Side 5. 8.5"
Side 6. 22.5"

Total 91.5"

Height 21"

Let me know what you think the volume is.

Thanks for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've
never had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish
with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a big
tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept dying. Fish
would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would add more. He probably
had incompatable fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever
did a water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a
little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my
convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.

My current tank design is half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and
a broken terra cotta pot on one side of the tank, with plants on the other
and a rock cave there too. The breeding area is on the non planted part of
the tank of course, and most of their time is spent there as well. But
before I got them I read that it would be good for the female to have some
hiding spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some
additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I love how
the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the fish. I don't mind
that they munch on them (in fact I like it).

I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join my
convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with them? I
know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has to be either
bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and when you're telling me
which companions I might pick, if you can use common names if they have them
it would help. ;)

TIA,

Cheryl
:D

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for a
hood
> for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster &
Smith
> (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (<
www.thatfishplace.com
> >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex tank to be able to
> tell them the size (to fit the hood).
>
> (2) As for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)
> commercial grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see
you
> have 3M Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The
two
> on-line retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in
many
> different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford
W.
> Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different colors.
>
> (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the volume of
> your tank, or at least its dimensions.
>
> (4) Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they
> prefer a clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its
> surprising that your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there
> were no plants nearby their spawning site. If you're still
> contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable depending on the tank
> size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to remain rooted.
I
> wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to use it for
> other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a
> hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any
case,
> why uproot well established plants unless you really need to.
>
> (5) Many Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their
fry,
> although Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective
of
> their progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most
> often happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids
and
> their fry is that they will eat them rather than have
this "predator"
> (YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can
use
> the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the
present
> one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least in the
> wild, and they think no differently in captivity when confronted
with
> such a stress.
>
> I would not attempt it, but if you prefer, the best way to move
the
> fry (if they're in a tight school) is to syphon them out into a
> recepticle (bucket, for instance) using a length of flexible clear
> plastic hose, which every hobbyist should have on hand (for
various
> uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll
have
> to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if
> you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the
> size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight
motion.
> You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.
>
> (6) You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough,
> although that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the
Convicts.
> They'll get along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for
> their size, so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while.
Better
> tankmates might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids
> instead, as the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus
> centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C.
> cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you
had
> one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if
> not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose
Pleco's
> instead. Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on
> > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm
thinking
> > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding
pair
> > of convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2
> > weeks old. This little family has been living alone in my 10
gal.
> > tank and are definately ready to move to a new home. I don't
plan
> to
> > keep any of the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will
> > continue to breed like rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give
> them
> > away when they're big enough. Anyway, I have several questions
> about
> > setting up my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple
questions
> > about my convicts as well. Here they are:
> >
> > 1. My new tank is hexogonal - not easy to find a hood for. It
has
> > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on top
> > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a
hood?
> >
> > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids
that
> > would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a
> > couple different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is
> > this a good idea?
> >
> > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two
for
> > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What
if
> > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it
> > have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for
this
> > size tank?
> >
> > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have
many
> > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new
ones
> > for the new tank?
> >
> > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the other?
And
> > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other fish for the
new
> > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict parents are VERY
> > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the fry from
> danger
> > from the other fish?
> >
> > 6. What are the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want
more
> > convicts. I do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good
choices?
> > What other options are there, and how many should I have?
> >
> > I know the questions are many and complicated, but I really
> > appreciate any input you have!
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Cheryl
> > :D

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25724 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
I concur that it's a 75G tank. The two missing triangles would form a
rectangle of 6" x 7" x 21"H so this would be deducted from the rectangular
volume of (36x24x21/231=78.5) - (6x7x21/231=3.8G) = 74.7G U.S.

We might have to ask the MathClub Yahoo Group to start watching our posts.
;-) (Is there even a MathClub Yahoo Group?.. lol)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ''Grey'' Greymane
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:03 AM
To: aquaticlife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice


Um... I think you have figured wrong... You have figured the measurement
front to back as 18" when it is in fact 24". If Cheryl in fact had a square
tank, the footprint would be 24" x 36" x 21" = 18144 cu in. Divided by 231
would be 78.5455 gallons. Now you must subtract the size of the "triangles".
The triangles measure 4.5" x 6.75" x 21" = 637.875 cu in divided by 231 =
2.7614 gallons:

78.5455 -2.7614 = 75.7841 gallons
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.·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. ,
.·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.

To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.comFrom
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.comFrom> : sevenspringss@...
<mailto:sevenspringss%40wmconnect.comDate> : Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:11:49
+0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice

Somewhere in your calculations, you're using Cheryl's dimensions wrong. A
full-sized 36" x 18" x 21" aquarium will have a capacity of approximately 59
gallons -- this is without taking off the two front "corners" (allowing for
the two short angled front panels) which would decrease this volume. The
tank can hold no more than 59 gallons, and will hold less because of the
angled front panels. Ray--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@...>
wrote:>> > Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be
78.5455> > Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º> ¸.·´¯`·.¸. ,
.·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. ,
.·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.> > > To: AquaticLife@...: my_cycling@...: Tue, 5
Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid
tank - need advice> > > > > Thanks so much for the info!! The dementions on
my tank are 36" across the back (the longest side) x 24" from front to back
(at the longest point) x 21" tall. The shortest distance from front to back
is 18" (at the point of the triangle closest to the back). The front side
(short side) is 22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final
rundownSide 1. 36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6.
22.5"Total 91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks
for the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never had
a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish with long
life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a big tank, but he
had no idea what he was doing and they all kept dying. Fish would die, he
would add more, fish would die, he would add more. He probably had
incompatable fish together, was overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a
water change or checked the levels on anything. It's so good to have a
little info so that you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my
convicts soon enough and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is
half planted and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot
on one side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too.
The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course, and most
of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them I read that it
would be good for the female to have some hiding spots, so I included plants
to give her (and the potential fry) some additional cover. So far they have
not uprooted many of them, and I love how the plants grow and offer a
natural food source for the fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in
fact I like it).I did want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions
that could join my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do
well with them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them
has to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and when
you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use common names
if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@> wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up
from here on this: (1) As for a hood > for your tank, there should be one
available. Try Drs Foster & Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish
Place (< www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back
Hex tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As for
the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial grade
gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M Colorquartz in
mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line retailers mentioned
above also carry aquarium gravel in many > different colors, or you should
be able to buy (or order) Clifford W. > Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS,
also in many different colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we
need to know the volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4)
Many Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a
clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that your
Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants nearby their
spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar, which may be doable
depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL NOT allow any plants to
remain rooted. I > wood leave your present tank planted if you're going to
use it for > other species, unless you're going to use that tank as a >
hospital/quarantine tank -- which everyone should have. In any case, > why
uproot well established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many
Cichlids will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although
Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their progeny
and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often happens when
interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their fry is that they
will eat them rather than have this "predator" > (YOU, as they perceive
this) consume them. In that way, they can use > the nutrition to spawn again
to start another brood where the present > one would have been devoured by
the predator -- or at least in the > wild, and they think no differently in
captivity when confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it,
but if you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight
school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for instance)
using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which every hobbyist should
have on hand (for various > uses). Barring that, if they're swimming more
loosely, you'll have > to first remove the parents (they'll attack the net,
especially if > you try to get the fry) and then use a fine net (depending
on the > size of the fry) to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion.
> You may need to remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6)
You may be able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although
that's not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get
along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size, so the
Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates might be other
medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as the Convict are. They
could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A. (Herotilapia) multispinnosa,
Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I
think I read you had > one) is of the common variety, it can can upwards of
22 " - 24" if > not yet stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose
Pleco's > instead. Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "my_cycling" <my_cycling@> >
wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a new tank. I got it on >
> craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what size it is, I'm thinking > >
40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a hood. I have a breeding pair > > of
convict cichlids with a small brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old.
This little family has been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are
definately ready to move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of
the fry, especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like
rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're big
enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up my new tank,
and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my convicts as well.
Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal -not easy to find a hood
for. It has > > metal supports on top that form a rectangle in the center on
top > > (does that make any sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? >
> > > 2. What is the best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > >
would be good tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple
different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a good
idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge filter or two
for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big do I make it? What if
> > I botch it & it doesn't end up working properly? How big does it > >
have to be to work for this size tank? How many do I need for this > > size
tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to plant the tank as best I can, I already have
many > > great plants in my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones
> > for the new tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one
tank to the other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some
other fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict
parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep the
fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are the best
tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I do want an
oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other options are there,
and how many should I have? > > > > I know the questions are many and
complicated, but I really > > appreciate any input you have! > > > > TIA, >
> > > Cheryl > > :D> >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message
have been removed]>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25725 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Bettas
I've been watching the posts from Anndrea regarding the Betta. I inherited
a Betta that was in a small bowl for a long time. I gave him a slightly
bigger bowl and he seemed happy. One day, he suddlenly died. From what I
had been able to piece together, he was 3 years old and from talking to a
few pet stores, they indicated that the average life span is about 3 years,
so there's a good chance he died of natural causes.

I purchased a new betta (another male), and also purchased a Tetra Water
Wonder 1.5 gal "tank". The Water Wonder was not the first choice, but got
it because it was a better value $$ wise than the first choice.

Couple of newbie questions: (1) Is that size tank too big for the betta??
and (2) After reading Anndrea's concerns about other fish with the betta,
what fish are "compatibile" with the betta?

Also, the the Tetra WaterSafe directions state to use 8 drops per gallon of
water. So, based on that 12 drops would be required for 1.5 gallons. Is
that a starting point or is that the standard? I will get a water test kit
in the near future, but if the chlorine is still too strong, how will I
know?

Ok, so I have a few more newbie questions that the 2 listed earlier, but
like Anndrea, I wish to be an informed betta owner :) Also, the
instructions that came with the tank indicated that I should change 25% of
the water every 2 or 3 weeks. How accurate is that information and lastly,
should I get a heater for the tank?

Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a n00b

V/R

Rob


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25726 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
She's not the first she was just young. I had a boxer mix lived 16yrs.I
got her and the male I still have when he passed 3yrs ago. She had some
hormonal problems and lost her litter of pups & perhaps more problems
than I knew. I know they will be rolling in the grass and dumping the
garbage over for all those in heaven. LOL. TY--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Gregg <greggb57@...> wrote:
>
> I'm terribly sorry to hear of your loss, Ed. As a fellow dog lover,
owner
> and rescuer, I know how deeply that can affect you. My pack of
Shelties
> sends their condolences and reminds you that your dog will be waiting
for
> you at the Rainbow Bridge.
>
> --
> Gregg Bender
> www.nvsr.org
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25727 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
*** 68.1136 gallons (?) -- Wrong-O. Please refer to my post #25719.


-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Oops, I made a mistake in my calculation. If you look at the
footprint of the tank, visualize it as two areas.
>
> The first area is 36" x 18" x 21" = 13608 cu in
>
> The second is a trapezoid which can be represented by a
parallelogram by dividing in half and inverting one of the halves
making it's dimensions 22.5" x 4.5" x 21" = 2126.25 cu in
>
> 13608 + 2126.25 = 15734.25 cu in
>
> 15734.25 divided by 231 = 68.1136 gallon
>
> It's been over 45 years since I had solid geometry, but I still
remember how :) Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º>
¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º
((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.
>
>
> To: aquaticlife@...: huron62@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:00:15 -
0500Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank -
need advice
>
>
>
>
> Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be
78.5455Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º>
¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º
((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.To: AquaticLife@...:
my_cycling@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife]
Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need adviceThanks so much for the
info!! The dementions on my tank are 36" across the back (the longest
side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest point) x 21" tall. The
shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the point of the
triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is 22.5"
and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundownSide 1.
36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total
91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks for
the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never
had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish
with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a
big tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept
dying. Fish would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would
add more. He probably had incompatable fish together, was
overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water change or checked
the levels on anything. It's so good to have a little info so that
you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my convicts soon enough
and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is half planted
and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one
side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too.
The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course,
and most of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them
I read that it would be good for the female to have some hiding
spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some
additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I
love how the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the
fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).I did
want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join
my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with
them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has
to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and
when you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use
common names if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@>
wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for
a hood > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster
& Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (<
www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex
tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As
for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial
grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M
Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line
retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many >
different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W.
> Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different
colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the
volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4) Many
Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a
clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that
your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants
nearby their spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar,
which may be doable depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL
NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I > wood leave your present
tank planted if you're going to use it for > other species, unless
you're going to use that tank as a > hospital/quarantine tank --
which everyone should have. In any case, > why uproot well
established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many Cichlids
will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although
Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their
progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often
happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their
fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator" >
(YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use
> the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the
present > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least
in the > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when
confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it, but if
you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight
school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for
instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which
every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses). Barring
that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to first remove
the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you try to get
the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size of the fry)
to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You may need to
remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6) You may be
able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although that's
not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get
along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size,
so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates
might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as
the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A.
(Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or
Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had > one) is of
the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if > not yet
stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's > instead.
Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling"
<my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a
new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what
size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a
hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small
brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has
been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to
move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry,
especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like
rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're
big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up
my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my
convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal -
not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that
form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any
sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the
best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good
tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple
different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a
good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge
filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big
do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working
properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank?
How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to
plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in
my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new
tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the
other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other
fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict
parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep
the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are
the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I
do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other
options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the
questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any
input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >> [Non-text
portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25728 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
These folks have some beautiful pics of eggs and fry and well WOW!
cool pics.
http://home.earthlink.net/~photofish/




--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <crowstarwalker@...> wrote:
>
> Myself not sure but I did find this
http://www.lifeinfozone.com/pets-
> products/the-fun-tropical-angel-fish/
> http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=158
>
http://www.petfishtalk.com/interviews/breeding_angels/breeding_angels.
ht
> m
>
> We have angels we are hoping will breed but havn't seen any egg
laying.
> Hope this helps some.
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi:
> >
> > My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of
my
> > 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> > snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box
(with
> > slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one.
The
> > eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> > stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
> >
> > As for the rest of the community, which includes rainbows,
tetras, a
> > gourami and albino corys, should I move the angels to their own
tank
> > since they get nippy when with children?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jeannie
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25729 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
While the average may be 3 years... or probably less, the expected lifespan
of a Betta is 7-10 years but since most are kept in undersized bowls/vases,
they never make it that long. The 1.5G is much better than a bowl but if
you can find a used 10G set up, that would be even better. Give a Betta a
10G planted tank and he'll feel he died and went to heaven. If you can't
find a free or cheap used 10G system, I hear Wal-Mart sells a 10G complete
system for around $25.00 but I haven't checked this out personally. A 10G
is still small enough to sit on most furniture/tables/etc. Anything over
20G should have a proper stand since most furniture is not designed for that
kind of weight.

For the 1.5G, you should not put any other fish but a live plant or two
would be nice. Since a betta grows to 2.5", the 1.5G is technically still
undersized but it's much, much better than just a bowl. If it has a small
filter system, that makes it even better. If you get a 10G eventually, go
to my blog and I have an article called "Hailey's 10 gallon tank stocking
suggestions" which will give you suggestions for other fish that can go in a
10G with a Betta. Do NOT put any other fish with the Betta in the 1.5G.

The 8 drops per gallon will take care of most chlorine/chloramine issues.
I'm sure there may be some municipalities where you would need more but
check with your water utility to find out how much they dose the water. If
you go to my blog, I have a blog about Chlorine/Chloramine and public water,
which includes correspondence between me and my own water utility company.

With the Betta in a 1.5G, I would do 25% PWC's (partial water changes) 2-3
times a week.. or at the minimum, once a week. Make sure you vacuum the
gravel during these PWC's to remove excess detritus from the gravel.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Mazur
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:40 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Bettas

I've been watching the posts from Anndrea regarding the Betta. I inherited a
Betta that was in a small bowl for a long time. I gave him a slightly bigger
bowl and he seemed happy. One day, he suddlenly died. From what I had been
able to piece together, he was 3 years old and from talking to a few pet
stores, they indicated that the average life span is about 3 years, so
there's a good chance he died of natural causes.

I purchased a new betta (another male), and also purchased a Tetra Water
Wonder 1.5 gal "tank". The Water Wonder was not the first choice, but got it
because it was a better value $$ wise than the first choice.

Couple of newbie questions: (1) Is that size tank too big for the betta??
and (2) After reading Anndrea's concerns about other fish with the betta,
what fish are "compatibile" with the betta?

Also, the the Tetra WaterSafe directions state to use 8 drops per gallon of
water. So, based on that 12 drops would be required for 1.5 gallons. Is that
a starting point or is that the standard? I will get a water test kit in the
near future, but if the chlorine is still too strong, how will I know?

Ok, so I have a few more newbie questions that the 2 listed earlier, but
like Anndrea, I wish to be an informed betta owner :) Also, the instructions
that came with the tank indicated that I should change 25% of the water
every 2 or 3 weeks. How accurate is that information and lastly, should I
get a heater for the tank?

Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a n00b

V/R

Rob

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25730 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
What? Wow! And I thought I had heard it all! Although I've read
that two of the same sex can mate, I never thought they'd be able to
make eggs! How would one tell? I've heard they're hard to detect
the sexes of.

Two questions, if I may:

In light of all this, is it alright to keep them in the community, or
should I move them to a new 29 gallon tank (once established)? The
only problem with the latter is that they'd have to be located where
I cannot sit and watch them, which wouldn't be good as they're
sooooooooo much fun to watch! Other than during the spawning period,
they've been very gentle with their tank mates, and the others don't
seem to mind (too much) being shooed away during this occasion.

Also, what is the best way to get them off of the corner walls if and
when this happens again, or should I even bother given that they may
be forever infertile?

Raymond, Hank and everyone, thank you for being so kind as to help me
with this.

Jeannie

At 09:31 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:

>--- In
><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com,
>Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
>Jeanie:
>Another bit of information on this thread.Two females will also
>go through the the breeding proceedure.If this is the case then you
>will never get fertileeggs.
>HANK
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall of my
> > 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> > snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box (with
> > slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one. The
> > eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of fuzzy
> > stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
> >
> >


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25731 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angels laid eggs
UMMMMMM! WOW! to the pics on the page I found for INFO. These are not
pics from Jeanie.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@...> wrote:
>
> What? Wow! And I thought I had heard it all! Although I've read
> that two of the same sex can mate, I never thought they'd be able
to
> make eggs! How would one tell? I've heard they're hard to detect
> the sexes of.
>
> Two questions, if I may:
>
> In light of all this, is it alright to keep them in the community,
or
> should I move them to a new 29 gallon tank (once established)? The
> only problem with the latter is that they'd have to be located
where
> I cannot sit and watch them, which wouldn't be good as they're
> sooooooooo much fun to watch! Other than during the spawning
period,
> they've been very gentle with their tank mates, and the others
don't
> seem to mind (too much) being shooed away during this occasion.
>
> Also, what is the best way to get them off of the corner walls if
and
> when this happens again, or should I even bother given that they
may
> be forever infertile?
>
> Raymond, Hank and everyone, thank you for being so kind as to help
me
> with this.
>
> Jeannie
>
> At 09:31 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>
> >--- In
> ><mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com,
> >Jeannie Fazio <jfazio@> wrote:
> >
> >Jeanie:
> >Another bit of information on this thread.Two females will also
> >go through the the breeding proceedure.If this is the case then you
> >will never get fertileeggs.
> >HANK
> >
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > My 2 month old angel fish laid eggs along the rear corner wall
of my
> > > 55 gallon community tank last Thursday. Yesterday, dad started
> > > snacking on them so I moved them to a small plastic breeder box
(with
> > > slots for fresh water filtering) that hangs inside the big one.
The
> > > eggs are all lumped together in what looks like a cocoon of
fuzzy
> > > stuff. Is this normal, or are they getting moldy?
> > >
> > >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25732 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Okay, its not that I figured wrong, but I did use the wrong
dimensions (thanks for pointing that out). That explains all the
discrepancies, although I didn't see where at first. Somehow, I had
misread Cheryl's tank to be 48" x 18" x 21" instead of 48" x 24" x
21" (by reading over it too fast) In using the right measurements, I
now come up with the same answer. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Um... I think you have figured wrong... You have figured the
measurement front to back as 18" when it is in fact 24". If Cheryl in
fact had a square tank, the footprint would be 24" x 36" x 21" =
18144 cu in. Divided by 231 would be 78.5455 gallons. Now you must
subtract the size of the "triangles". The triangles measure 4.5" x
6.75" x 21" = 637.875 cu in divided by 231 = 2.7614 gallons:
>
> 78.5455 -2.7614 = 75.7841 gallons
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>
>
> To: AquaticLife@...: sevenspringss@...: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:11:49
+0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need
advice
>
>
>
>
> Somewhere in your calculations, you're using Cheryl's dimensions
wrong. A full-sized 36" x 18" x 21" aquarium will have a capacity of
approximately 59 gallons -- this is without taking off the two
front "corners" (allowing for the two short angled front panels)
which would decrease this volume. The tank can hold no more than 59
gallons, and will hold less because of the angled front panels. Ray---
In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, ''Grey'' Greymane <huron62@>
wrote:>> > Using the dimensions you gave, I figure the gallons to be
78.5455> > Grey·´¯`·.¸¸.><((((º>.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸><((((º>
¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..><((((º><º((((><.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸<º
((((><¸.·´¯`·.¸. , .·´¯`·..<º((((><·´¯`·.¸¸.> > > To: AquaticLife@:
my_cycling@: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 08:03:39 +0000Subject: [AquaticLife] Re:
Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice> > > > > Thanks so much
for the info!! The dementions on my tank are 36" across the back (the
longest side) x 24" from front to back (at the longest point) x 21"
tall. The shortest distance from front to back is 18" (at the point
of the triangle closest to the back). The front side (short side) is
22.5" and each hex corner is 8.5". So here's the final rundownSide 1.
36"Side 2. 8"Side 3. 8"Side 4. 8.5"Side 5. 8.5"Side 6. 22.5"Total
91.5"Height 21"Let me know what you think the volume is.Thanks for
the info on the fish, RE: stunted growth. It makes sense. I've never
had a fish live for longer than a year (I've never really kept fish
with long life spans, mostly goldfish, neon tetras etc.) My dad had a
big tank, but he had no idea what he was doing and they all kept
dying. Fish would die, he would add more, fish would die, he would
add more. He probably had incompatable fish together, was
overstocked, and I don't think he ever did a water change or checked
the levels on anything. It's so good to have a little info so that
you can do better. I'm hoping that I'm moving my convicts soon enough
and that they're not stunted.My current tank design is half planted
and half caves. I have rock caves and a broken terra cotta pot on one
side of the tank, with plants on the other and a rock cave there too.
The breeding area is on the non planted part of the tank of course,
and most of their time is spent there as well. But before I got them
I read that it would be good for the female to have some hiding
spots, so I included plants to give her (and the potential fry) some
additional cover. So far they have not uprooted many of them, and I
love how the plants grow and offer a natural food source for the
fish. I don't mind that they munch on them (in fact I like it).I did
want to ask if there are any NON-cichlid companions that could join
my convicts? And could any NON-Central American cichlids do well with
them? I know the cons are very aggressive, so anything with them has
to be either bigger or equally as aggressive as they are. Oh - and
when you're telling me which companions I might pick, if you can use
common names if they have them it would help. ;)TIA,Cheryl:D--- In
AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel" <sevenspringss@>
wrote:>> Hi Cheryl, I'll try to pick up from here on this: (1) As for
a hood > for your tank, there should be one available. Try Drs Foster
& Smith > (< DrsFosterSmith.com >) or That Fish Place (<
www.thatfishplace.com > >). You'll need to measure your Flat Back Hex
tank to be able to > tell them the size (to fit the hood).> > (2) As
for the best substrate, probably #3 (or #2 if you prefer)> commercial
grade gravel is about as good as any, although I see you > have 3M
Colorquartz in mind, which is much smaller in size. The two > on-line
retailers mentioned above also carry aquarium gravel in many >
different colors, or you should be able to buy (or order) Clifford W.
> Estes aquarium gravel from your LFS, also in many different
colors.> > (3) This has been given an answer -- we need to know the
volume of > your tank, or at least its dimensions.> > (4) Many
Cichlids won't tolerate plants in their vicinity, as they > prefer a
clear vision of their territory to protect it. Its > surprising that
your Convict put up with them, but I suspect there > were no plants
nearby their spawning site. If you're still > contemplating an Oscar,
which may be doable depending on the tank > size, know that they WILL
NOT allow any plants to remain rooted. I > wood leave your present
tank planted if you're going to use it for > other species, unless
you're going to use that tank as a > hospital/quarantine tank --
which everyone should have. In any case, > why uproot well
established plants unless you really need to.> > (5) Many Cichlids
will not take kindly to being moved with their fry, > although
Convicts are one of those which are extremely protective of > their
progeny and may put up with it with no problem. What most > often
happens when interfering with a breeding pair of Cichlids and > their
fry is that they will eat them rather than have this "predator" >
(YOU, as they perceive this) consume them. In that way, they can use
> the nutrition to spawn again to start another brood where the
present > one would have been devoured by the predator -- or at least
in the > wild, and they think no differently in captivity when
confronted with > such a stress. > > I would not attempt it, but if
you prefer, the best way to move the > fry (if they're in a tight
school) is to syphon them out into a > recepticle (bucket, for
instance) using a length of flexible clear > plastic hose, which
every hobbyist should have on hand (for various > uses). Barring
that, if they're swimming more loosely, you'll have > to first remove
the parents (they'll attack the net, especially if > you try to get
the fry) and then use a fine net (depending on the > size of the fry)
to sweep the fry up, using a figure-eight motion. > You may need to
remove some plants if they migrate back into them.> > (6) You may be
able to house an Oscar if the tank is large enough, > although that's
not necessarily the best tankmate for the Convicts. > They'll get
along, only because the Convicts are very scrappy for > their size,
so the Oscar will avoid their area after a while. Better > tankmates
might be other medium sized Central American Cichlids > instead, as
the Convict are. They could include Archocentrus > centrarcus, A.
(Herotilapia) multispinnosa, Cryptoheros sajica, C. > cutteri or
Thorichthys meeki. If your Pleco (I think I read you had > one) is of
the common variety, it can can upwards of 22 " - 24" if > not yet
stunted. I would recommend a species of Bushy-Nose Pleco's > instead.
Ray> > > --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling"
<my_cycling@> > wrote:> >> > Hi. I'm new to cichlids and starting a
new tank. I got it on > > craigslist for $25, and I'm not sure what
size it is, I'm thinking > > 40-55 gal. It has nothing, not even a
hood. I have a breeding pair > > of convict cichlids with a small
brood of fry which are about 2 > > weeks old. This little family has
been living alone in my 10 gal. > > tank and are definately ready to
move to a new home. I don't plan > to > > keep any of the fry,
especially since I know mom and dad will > > continue to breed like
rabbits, I'm going to do my best to give > them > > away when they're
big enough. Anyway, I have several questions > about > > setting up
my new tank, and I'm gonna throw in a couple questions > > about my
convicts as well. Here they are: > > > > 1. My new tank is hexogonal -
not easy to find a hood for. It has > > metal supports on top that
form a rectangle in the center on top > > (does that make any
sense?). Anyway, what would you do for a hood? > > > > 2. What is the
best substrate for convicts and other cichlids that > > would be good
tankmates for them? I was thinking of combining a > > couple
different sizes of substrate, such as sand and gravel, is > > this a
good idea? > > > > 3. I was thinking of trying to make a DIY sponge
filter or two for > > this tank, but I have a few concerns. How big
do I make it? What if > > I botch it & it doesn't end up working
properly? How big does it > > have to be to work for this size tank?
How many do I need for this > > size tank? > > > > 4. I'm going to
plant the tank as best I can, I already have many > > great plants in
my tank, should I transplant them, or get new ones > > for the new
tank? > > > > 5. What's the best way to move fry from one tank to the
other? And > > should I move them? I'm planning to get some other
fish for the new > > tank, would the fry be in danger? The convict
parents are VERY > > protective of them, would that be enough to keep
the fry from > danger > > from the other fish? > > > > 6. What are
the best tankmates for my convicts? I don't want more > > convicts. I
do want an oscar and a pleco, are those good choices? > > What other
options are there, and how many should I have? > > > > I know the
questions are many and complicated, but I really > > appreciate any
input you have! > > > > TIA, > > > > Cheryl > > :D> >> > > > > > > >
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25733 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Angel Breeding Info
This page is full of info

http://members.aol.com/angelbook/index.htm

Duh! AOL Angelbook. Kinda makes sense huh?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25734 From: Jeannie Fazio Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Breeding Info
Wouldn't pull up, but this one did - must be case
sensitive - http://members.aol.com/AngelBook/index.htm

Thanks, Ed. :-*

At 11:06 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:

>This page is full of info
>
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>Duh! AOL Angelbook. Kinda makes sense huh?
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25735 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Angel Breeding Info
We've got 2 1yr old blushing(bleeding) heart angels, 1 koi angel, 1
black and white(transparent fins),1 marble lace(long fins), 1
black /white lace(long fins). Hoping to get them to breed.--- In
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> Wouldn't pull up, but this one did - must be case
> sensitive - http://members.aol.com/AngelBook/index.htm
>
> Thanks, Ed. :-*
>
> At 11:06 AM 2/5/2008, you wrote:
>
> >This page is full of info
> >
>
><http://members.aol.com/angelbook/index.htm>http://members.aol.com/an
gelbook/index.htm
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25736 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Hi -

I am new and previously lurking list member. I'm working on a
fishless cycle with my first aquarium and I have some questions about
exactly what's going on in there. I'm not panicked, just curious. I
apologize for a lengthy first post….but I can either ask the
questions now and provide details later – or just give you the
details upfront before you ask.

So I'm going to give the details ;-)

I'm also cross posting this to several lists – so feel free to skip
it if you've seen it before!

On 1/26 I set up an Eclipse 5 system (corner unit) with the intention
of adding a single betta fish. It is live planted with the following:
- 1 each of c. balansae and c. wendtii in clay pots with gravel
substrate and Fluorite supplements
- several anubius nana petite tied to rocks
- 1 Java fern that is currently in a pot, but will be tied to
driftwood
- Floating wisteria

The tank bottom is bare aside from some cleaned rocks lying around.

I have a whisper pump with an air stone, and a 50 watt stealth heater
set to 80 degrees. I have been testing the water with an API
Freshwater Master test kit, and API GH/KH test kit.

My tap water tested as follows:
PH 7.6
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrates 0 ppm
Nitrates 5 ppm
GH 9
KH 3

I filled the tank with tap water and added enough ammonia to bring it
up to 4 ppm. Then I tested daily, but nothing changed until day 5
when the following showed up:

PH 7.6
Ammo 2
Nitrites >.50 but < 1.0
Nitrates 10

I added enough ammonia to take it back to 4 ppm. The next day the
Ammo didn't go down, but Nitrites went to 1 and Nitrates went to 20.
I didn't do anything to the tank that day.

The next day I got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 2 (I didn't add ammonia this time)
Nitrites 5 ppm
Nitrates 40 ppm

Then I decided to test after 12 hours and got the following:
PH 7.6
Ammo .50
Nitrites 5
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 1
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.2
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40
GH 15 (up from 9 and I only tested becuase of the change in PH)
KH 3

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later:
PH 6.8
Ammo .50
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 10
GH 18

I'm starting to wonder what the continuing drop in PH means, but I
added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later (this morning) I got:
PH 6
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates > 5 but < 10
GH 18

When I left this morning I had raised to ammonia back to 4 ppm.

I think I understand what's going on with the ammonia, nitrites and
nitrates (and I think it looks promising….) but my questions are:

1) Should I be concerned (and/or do anything about) the drop in PH
during the cycle?

2) There appears to be some connection between the PH and GH – can
somebody explain to me what that connection is?

3) I know the current PH and GH are not good for fish and I could
correct both with partial water changes, but should I bother with
that right now?

4) Will this level of PH and GH hurt the plants?

Again I apologize for the length – but I truly appreciate any
explanations or suggestions you can offer!

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25737 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
I have a male betta and a cory cat in a 10 gallon aquarium and they are perfectly content. He had been in a betta tank by hisself because he had what appeared to be a bad attitude, but he has calmed down drastically sinced being put in the 10 gallon tank. In my 30 gallon tank, I have 2 angels, 1 each, blueberry and strawberry tetras, a black neon and a beautiful docil dreamsicle colored betta. There has never been any attitudes or fighting in this tank. There are a lot of different opinions about putting other fish with a betta, but I've never had a problem with mine. Good luck with yours.....

Cory S. Walter

Have a wonderful, blessed day!



----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Mazur <rpmazur@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 9:40:25 AM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Bettas

I've been watching the posts from Anndrea regarding the Betta. I inherited
a Betta that was in a small bowl for a long time. I gave him a slightly
bigger bowl and he seemed happy. One day, he suddlenly died. From what I
had been able to piece together, he was 3 years old and from talking to a
few pet stores, they indicated that the average life span is about 3 years,
so there's a good chance he died of natural causes.

I purchased a new betta (another male), and also purchased a Tetra Water
Wonder 1.5 gal "tank". The Water Wonder was not the first choice, but got
it because it was a better value $$ wise than the first choice.

Couple of newbie questions: (1) Is that size tank too big for the betta??
and (2) After reading Anndrea's concerns about other fish with the betta,
what fish are "compatibile" with the betta?

Also, the the Tetra WaterSafe directions state to use 8 drops per gallon of
water. So, based on that 12 drops would be required for 1.5 gallons. Is
that a starting point or is that the standard? I will get a water test kit
in the near future, but if the chlorine is still too strong, how will I
know?

Ok, so I have a few more newbie questions that the 2 listed earlier, but
like Anndrea, I wish to be an informed betta owner :) Also, the
instructions that came with the tank indicated that I should change 25% of
the water every 2 or 3 weeks. How accurate is that information and lastly,
should I get a heater for the tank?

Thanks for listening to the ramblings of a n00b

V/R

Rob

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25738 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Pictures
I have posted some pictures of my Angel breeding pairs and in some
cases some of their fry. Album is called Greymane. Now will have to
wait to see if they are approved.

I see that I need to bone up a bit on my photography (and clean my tank
surfaces before I make more attempts. Comments encouraged.

Grey
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25739 From: ED Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Pictures
They look pretty good.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <huron62@...> wrote:
>
> I have posted some pictures of my Angel breeding pairs and in some
> cases some of their fry. Album is called Greymane. Now will have to
> wait to see if they are approved.
>
> I see that I need to bone up a bit on my photography (and clean my
tank
> surfaces before I make more attempts. Comments encouraged.
>
> Grey
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25740 From: Anndrea Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
I don't have any answers for you, other than I switched from talking
to Petsmart to talking to Petco (my aunt swears by them), and I had
asked them about all of this, and they said the chances of the betta
being why my tetras died are slim to none. I also asked why I can
never find my betta in my tank, and she said that bettas love to
hide. They prefer small spaces they can get into. She did NOT say
the smaller the bowl/tank the better, just that if they have a
really good hiding spot, make sure not to take that away from them.

So, I would say just on what she said and the behavior so far of the
only betta I have ever had (though I have only had her a week and a
half) is that I agree with people saying 5 or 10 gallon tank would
be better, but not all open water. I have a rock formation and somoe
live plants in there now, and I can never find her, so she has a
great hiding spot.

My only issue now is she doesn't even come out when I feed them...I
haven't figured that one out, but I'm sure I will.

Good luck, and I'll be following your thread on here as well (maybe
I will learn a lot from this too...lol).

anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25741 From: Anndrea Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
OOPS, I forgot to mention that my betta is female. I think the Petco
lady said that is why she likes to hide...the females hide, but the
males may not.

anndrea
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25742 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
I have a male betta in my 30 gallon tank and a large dragon that has an airstone in its mouth. The betta gets behind that air stone and stays inside the dragon for days on end......I sometimes have to shake the dragon to get him to come out......the males hide, too.......

Cory S. Walter

Have a wonderful, blessed day!



----- Original Message ----
From: Anndrea <anndreae@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2008 2:12:52 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Bettas

OOPS, I forgot to mention that my betta is female. I think the Petco
lady said that is why she likes to hide...the females hide, but the
males may not.

anndrea





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25743 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
With all those plants and a planned single betta in a 5G tank, you could
have probably avoided fishless cycling as the plants would have used up
most, if not all of the ammonia put out by the betta. That's what is
happening to the ammonia you are adding to the tank now. But it's a great
way to learn the nitrogen cycle and see how it works first hand. You're
doing GREAT!!!!

Plus, if the plants came from a tank with fish in it, the plants likely have
nitrifying bacteria colonies growing on them already, which is why you are
getting a higher nitrate reading already since a "normal" fishless cycle
with no plants would take at least 2-4 weeks before you get the nitrite
eating N-bacteria growing which converts the nitrite to nitrate.

Your pH swings are normal in a fishless cycle process. The ammonia changes
the pH and then as the ammonia is utilized by the plants and N-bacteria, the
pH changes back. Fish would not be putting out that much ammonia all at one
time so their ammonia does not affect the pH. The reason for bringing the
ammonia up to 4-5ppm is that a fully stocked (not overstocked) tank will put
out around that same amount of ammonia every 24 hours so if you fishless
cycle and build up the N-bacteria to handle 4-5ppm, then you would be ready
to fully stock the tank right after.

As your tank ecology stabilizes and you get the proper bacteria growing,
they will utilize some of the trace elements and you will see your GH level
lower. Your KH is on the low side but with only one fish and doing regular
25% PWC's, you will likely be fine with that also.

You should establish your tap water baseline so you would know better how
the tanks ecology is changing the tap water baseline. Go to my blog and one
of my recent blogs was about establishing your tap/source water baseline.
Then after you quit adding ammonia, you can test your water and get a better
idea of what the parameters are for comparison.

Post your results.

BTW... I like long initial posts so I don't have to ask a ton of questions!
;-)

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:31 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle
questions....

Hi -

I am new and previously lurking list member. I'm working on a fishless cycle
with my first aquarium and I have some questions about exactly what's going
on in there. I'm not panicked, just curious. I apologize for a lengthy first
post….but I can either ask the questions now and provide details later – or
just give you the details upfront before you ask.

So I'm going to give the details ;-)

I'm also cross posting this to several lists – so feel free to skip it if
you've seen it before!

On 1/26 I set up an Eclipse 5 system (corner unit) with the intention of
adding a single betta fish. It is live planted with the following:
- 1 each of c. balansae and c. wendtii in clay pots with gravel substrate
and Fluorite supplements
- several anubius nana petite tied to rocks
- 1 Java fern that is currently in a pot, but will be tied to driftwood
- Floating wisteria

The tank bottom is bare aside from some cleaned rocks lying around.

I have a whisper pump with an air stone, and a 50 watt stealth heater set to
80 degrees. I have been testing the water with an API Freshwater Master test
kit, and API GH/KH test kit.

My tap water tested as follows:
PH 7.6
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrates 0 ppm
Nitrates 5 ppm
GH 9
KH 3

I filled the tank with tap water and added enough ammonia to bring it up to
4 ppm. Then I tested daily, but nothing changed until day 5 when the
following showed up:

PH 7.6
Ammo 2
Nitrites >.50 but < 1.0
Nitrates 10

I added enough ammonia to take it back to 4 ppm. The next day the Ammo
didn't go down, but Nitrites went to 1 and Nitrates went to 20.
I didn't do anything to the tank that day.

The next day I got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 2 (I didn't add ammonia this time)
Nitrites 5 ppm
Nitrates 40 ppm

Then I decided to test after 12 hours and got the following:
PH 7.6
Ammo .50
Nitrites 5
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 1
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.2
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40
GH 15 (up from 9 and I only tested becuase of the change in PH) KH 3

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later:
PH 6.8
Ammo .50
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 10
GH 18

I'm starting to wonder what the continuing drop in PH means, but I added
ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later (this morning) I got:
PH 6
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates > 5 but < 10
GH 18

When I left this morning I had raised to ammonia back to 4 ppm.

I think I understand what's going on with the ammonia, nitrites and nitrates
(and I think it looks promising….) but my questions are:

1) Should I be concerned (and/or do anything about) the drop in PH during
the cycle?

2) There appears to be some connection between the PH and GH – can somebody
explain to me what that connection is?

3) I know the current PH and GH are not good for fish and I could correct
both with partial water changes, but should I bother with that right now?

4) Will this level of PH and GH hurt the plants?

Again I apologize for the length – but I truly appreciate any explanations
or suggestions you can offer!

Anita


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25744 From: joesbirds@aol.com Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
I have kept bettas with other fish males and females. The only things I have
noticed is that they will flare to other anabantoids but have kept them with
gouramis with just flareing. If keeping a male with a female in a tank put
more than one female in the tank. They all like densely planted tanks. They
are called fighting fish but usually the males are more aggressive to other
males not other fish. I have had females beat up males as well. I have kept and
bred domestic betta splendens but have moved more toward species bettas. I
have also found that have no problems in tanks with good water flow but since
many are found in cups when you buy they they need a little time to get used
to the current
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25745 From: bmp Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
If I might add a bit to this discussion, daphinia are
useful also because of their shells, which help
constipated fish eliminate better.

Beverly

--- Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
wrote:

> Jenn, If you have water fleas (Daphnia), the
> "problem" should soon
> take care of itself. Just about any and all fish
> relish them as this
> is a prime food for fish in the natural habitat when
> and where they
> coexist. Its cetainly nothing to worry about, as
> they are not "fleas"
> in the manner we thing of such pests on dogs, and
> are really of little
> concern. Many advanced hobbyists raise Daphnia
> specifically to feed
> their fish with, especially since its a good live
> food despite the fact
> there's a lot of shell matter. Daphnia are often
> sold in better LFS's
> for this same purpose. Ray


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25746 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Yes, quite true, although some hobbyists consider them one of the
lesser nutritious foods because of these shells. They've always been
a great food though for conditioning various fish to breed, which
says something for them. Gut loading would probably make them even
more so, like is done with Brine Shrimp. Another "use" for them is
that they'll keep an otherwise green tank free of suspended algae if
allowed to populate enough -- which would never be allowed to happen
except in the sparsest of stocked (w/fish) tanks -- or in their own
culuture tank. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, bmp <bmpardue@...> wrote:
>
> If I might add a bit to this discussion, daphinia are
> useful also because of their shells, which help
> constipated fish eliminate better.
>
> Beverly
>
> --- Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Jenn, If you have water fleas (Daphnia), the
> > "problem" should soon
> > take care of itself. Just about any and all fish
> > relish them as this
> > is a prime food for fish in the natural habitat when
> > and where they
> > coexist. Its cetainly nothing to worry about, as
> > they are not "fleas"
> > in the manner we thing of such pests on dogs, and
> > are really of little
> > concern. Many advanced hobbyists raise Daphnia
> > specifically to feed
> > their fish with, especially since its a good live
> > food despite the fact
> > there's a lot of shell matter. Daphnia are often
> > sold in better LFS's
> > for this same purpose. Ray
>
>
> Peace, please!
>
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25747 From: maybelline101 Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Bettas
Just so you know bettas will hide and usually they can with stand the
3 years in really any size bowl. I had a betta who was in a 1 gallon
or so. He was my first betta and lived 6 years. I'm thinking of maybe
the same species that they are related to are better compatible tank
mates. I think thats why bettas are mostly nice to gouramis, etc. I
had a betta with gouramis and i think platys. The betta was nice but
would every now and then flare up at the gouramis but would boss the
platys around and hide a lot. I've never seen a betta actually try to
hurt bottom feeders; catfish, plecos, etc.....

Cleo


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, joesbirds@... wrote:
>
> I have kept bettas with other fish males and females. The only
things I have
> noticed is that they will flare to other anabantoids but have kept
them with
> gouramis with just flareing. If keeping a male with a female in a
tank put
> more than one female in the tank. They all like densely planted
tanks. They
> are called fighting fish but usually the males are more aggressive
to other
> males not other fish. I have had females beat up males as well. I
have kept and
> bred domestic betta splendens but have moved more toward species
bettas. I
> have also found that have no problems in tanks with good water flow
but since
> many are found in cups when you buy they they need a little time to
get used
> to the current
> Joey
>
>
>
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>
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>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25748 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>> With all those plants and a planned single betta in a 5G tank, you
could have probably avoided fishless cycling as the plants would have
used up most, if not all of the ammonia put out by the betta. That's
what is happening to the ammonia you are adding to the tank now. But
it's a great way to learn the nitrogen cycle and see how it works
first hand. You're doing GREAT!!!!>>

Thanks! This has been a great learning experience, and it's nice that
I don't have to worry about killing any fish in the process. While
it doesn't *look* like anything is going in that tank, the test
results show that something definately is going on - it's kind of
cool to observe :-).

>> Plus, if the plants came from a tank with fish in it, the plants
likely have nitrifying bacteria colonies growing on them already,
which is why you are getting a higher nitrate reading already since
a "normal" fishless cycle with no plants would take at least 2-4
weeks before you get the nitrite eating N-bacteria growing which
converts the nitrite to nitrate. >>

There were fish in the plant tanks at the LFS, lots of little tiny
guys swimming around in there...so even that was helpful - who knew?

>> Your pH swings are normal in a fishless cycle process. The
ammonia changes the pH and then as the ammonia is utilized by the
plants and N-bacteria, the pH changes back. Fish would not be
putting out that much ammonia all at one time so their ammonia does
not affect the pH. The reason for bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm
is that a fully stocked (not overstocked) tank will put out around
that same amount of ammonia every 24 hours so if you fishless cycle
and build up the N-bacteria to handle 4-5ppm, then you would be ready
to fully stock the tank right after.

As your tank ecology stabilizes and you get the proper bacteria
growing, they will utilize some of the trace elements and you will
see your GH level lower. Your KH is on the low side but with only
one fish and doing regular 25% PWC's, you will likely be fine with
that also.>>

Thank you for that information, it explains a lot.

> You should establish your tap water baseline so you would know
better how the tanks ecology is changing the tap water baseline. Go
to my blog and one of my recent blogs was about establishing your
tap/source water baseline.>>

I was just reading your blogs yesterday :-) I was planning to set
aside a gallon of tap water and add my water conditioners (I have
NovAqua and Amquel+, but haven't used them) - and then test the water
at 24 and 48 hour intervals to see what (if anything) happens with
those chemicals alone.

>> BTW... I like long initial posts so I don't have to ask a ton of
questions! ;-) >>

Beware - I tend to do a lot of long posts ;-)

For several years I have wanted to set up a 55 gallon aquarium with 3
fantail goldfish (I'm fascinated with those guys, even if they are
messy...). I haven't given up the idea yet. Sometimes I think I
might drop back to 30 gallons and 2 fantails...but I keep reading
about aquariums and goldfish...in the meantime I will take care of
one little betta guy...

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25749 From: Anita Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
>> But it's a great way to learn the nitrogen cycle and see how it
works first hand. You're doing GREAT!!!! >>

It is definitely a learning experience. It looks like nothing is
going on in there, but the tests tell me that a lot is going
on....it's kind of fascinating actually.

>> Plus, if the plants came from a tank with fish in it, the plants
likely have nitrifying bacteria colonies growing on them already,
which is why you are getting a higher nitrate reading already since a
"normal" fishless cycle with no plants would take at least 2-4 weeks
before you get the nitrite eating N-bacteria growing which converts
the nitrite to nitrate. >>

There were fish in the plant tanks at the LFS, there were lots of
little guys were swimming in there. So they ended up helping my
little tank too - who knew?

>> Your pH swings are normal in a fishless cycle process. The ammonia
changes the pH and then as the ammonia is utilized by the plants and
N-bacteria, the pH changes back. Fish would not be putting out that
much ammonia all at one time so their ammonia does not affect the
pH....As your tank ecology stabilizes and you get the proper bacteria
growing, they will utilize some of the trace elements and you will see
your GH level lower. Your KH is on the low side but with only one
fish and doing regular 25% PWC's, you will likely be fine with that
also.>>

Thanks for explaining the pH changes, it's comforting to know why it's
happening and it will correct itself - and most importantly it doesn't
seem likely to happen when I get a fish in there.

>>Go to my blog and one of my recent blogs was about establishing your
tap/source water baseline...

I was reading your blogs yesterday :) I'm going to put a gallon of tap
water in a container, along with my water conditioners (I have NovAqua
and AmQuel+ but haven't used them yet). Then I'll test the water at 24
and 48 hours to see what happens.

Thanks for your help Lenny...it's nice to have a resource when I have
questions. A few people think I'm a nut case for going to this much
trouble for a fish that they think should be in a bowl anyway.

It is beginning to seem like I'm creating a 5 gallon aqua garden to
which I will be adding a fish at some point. ;-)

I have a fantasy about getting a 55 gallon aquarium and stocking it
with 3 fantail goldfish, but that won't likely happen soon. For now
it will just be one little betta....

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25750 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Anita,

Jumping all the way to your closing paragraph about goldfish...

You might want to lower your expectations from three to no more than two
fancy goldfish in a 55G (4') or only one in a 30G long. Goldfish need lots
of water volume to handle their bioload. A single full grown goldfish is
equal in body mass to over 500 1" goldfish so even the 30G per goldfish will
require weekly PWC's and lots of filtration. Check out my goldfish care
sheet on my blog if you haven't already seen it since you say you've been
browsing around.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:04 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle
questions....

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
>> But it's a great way to learn the nitrogen cycle and see how it
works first hand. You're doing GREAT!!!! >>

It is definitely a learning experience. It looks like nothing is going on in
there, but the tests tell me that a lot is going on....it's kind of
fascinating actually.

>> Plus, if the plants came from a tank with fish in it, the plants
likely have nitrifying bacteria colonies growing on them already, which is
why you are getting a higher nitrate reading already since a "normal"
fishless cycle with no plants would take at least 2-4 weeks before you get
the nitrite eating N-bacteria growing which converts the nitrite to nitrate.
>>

There were fish in the plant tanks at the LFS, there were lots of little
guys were swimming in there. So they ended up helping my little tank too -
who knew?

>> Your pH swings are normal in a fishless cycle process. The ammonia
changes the pH and then as the ammonia is utilized by the plants and
N-bacteria, the pH changes back. Fish would not be putting out that much
ammonia all at one time so their ammonia does not affect the pH....As your
tank ecology stabilizes and you get the proper bacteria growing, they will
utilize some of the trace elements and you will see your GH level lower.
Your KH is on the low side but with only one fish and doing regular 25%
PWC's, you will likely be fine with that also.>>

Thanks for explaining the pH changes, it's comforting to know why it's
happening and it will correct itself - and most importantly it doesn't seem
likely to happen when I get a fish in there.

>>Go to my blog and one of my recent blogs was about establishing your
tap/source water baseline...

I was reading your blogs yesterday :) I'm going to put a gallon of tap water
in a container, along with my water conditioners (I have NovAqua and AmQuel+
but haven't used them yet). Then I'll test the water at 24 and 48 hours to
see what happens.

Thanks for your help Lenny...it's nice to have a resource when I have
questions. A few people think I'm a nut case for going to this much trouble
for a fish that they think should be in a bowl anyway.

It is beginning to seem like I'm creating a 5 gallon aqua garden to which I
will be adding a fish at some point. ;-)

I have a fantasy about getting a 55 gallon aquarium and stocking it with 3
fantail goldfish, but that won't likely happen soon. For now it will just be
one little betta....

Anita


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25751 From: Jim Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: What's wrong with Oprah?
Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly the
size of a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying near
the top of the tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but have
no idea what is the problem. Suggestions?

I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
Should be up shortly.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25752 From: Jenn Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Thanks! I knew they weren't "bad" but I didn't know that they were
kind of good! There's nothing like a little free food for the fish.



jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25753 From: Jenn Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Best algae eater EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
I wanted to let everyone know (if you haven't heard of them already or
don't have one) that I got a Panda Garra (Garra flavatra) from my
favorite LFS. It was a bit on the expensive side but the fish never
stops. There isn't a bit of green on my aquarium glass between him
and the bushy nosed pleco (panda does more of the work...). If you
can, get one, it's worth it. They are hardy, peaceful and hungry!

jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25754 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
I'm not sure what a DD is. I'm sure it's going to be obvious when you say
but I'm drawing a blank off the top of my head.

Typically, a bloated fish of that degree is related to an internal bacterial
infection... the same type of bacteria that causes pop eye in fish. If the
DD is some type of malawi cichlid, then there is also malawi bloat which I
believe is another name for dropsy but I haven't been reading up on malawi
bloat in a while. If the entire fish has a pine cone effect where the
scales are sticking out, that would be dropsy, if it's only bloated in the
abdominal area without the scales sticking out or maybe only sticking out a
little in the swollen area, then it's more likely an internal bacterial
infection. Dropsy is much more difficult to treat.

Of course, with a fish named Oprah, maybe she just went off her diet and
binged out. ;-)

You should quarantine the fish so you can treat it accordingly and observe
any poop discharged by the fish and let us know what it looks like. Here's
a couple of goldfish poop diagnosis pages but I believe these descriptions
are the same for most other fish.
http://www.goldfishutopia.com/information.php?pID=20&sid=6b3f678261d6b08be56
44faad6298b87 or http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/GoldfishPoop.html

I've successfully treated a Blue Gourami, suffering from bloat and pop-eye,
with the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail but if the fish is eating, then an
antibacterial food would probably be better.

On a side note, it's probably better that you use your own photo hosting
site, especially when you need to show us pictures quickly since the Group's
photo album had to be put on moderation to prevent improper photos from
being uploaded by spammers so it takes a little while for one of the mods to
approve your upload(s).

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:21 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] What's wrong with Oprah?

Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly the size of
a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying near the top of the
tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but have no idea what is the
problem. Suggestions?

I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
Should be up shortly.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25755 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Best algae eater EVER!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/show_article.php?article_id=
462 (You have to register and login to see their articles but Practical
Fishkeeping Magazine online is a very good publication for FREE!) has a very
good article/profile on the Panda Garra. I've copy/pasted the bulk of the
article for easy reference here since many may not be members already. They
shoal and should be kept in groups so hopefully you can fill out the shoal
if your tank can support the bioload. Let your fish store know that they
should be sold in groups.

BEGINNING OF ARTICLE (MINUS PICTURES)------

Common name: Panda garra
Scientific name: Garra flavatra Kullander and Fang 2004
Origin: Found on the western side of the Rakhine Yoma mountains in southern
Myanmar (formerly Burma), Asia. The first recorded fish were caught in 1998
from Kananmae Chaung.
Size: The largest type specimens were around 6cm/2.5" long, but imported
fish have been an inch or so bigger than this and quite chunky.
Diet: Like other Garra species, flavatra is clearly a grazer and feeds on
algae and invertebrates that live within it. My Garra (of other species)
graze actively on algae all day, but also accept dried foods, such as algae
wafers.
Water: Not known, but probably neutral, highly-oxygenated and cooler than
normal as these are found at the foothills of mountains.
Aquarium: Best kept in a group in a tank containing fast-flowing water and
lots of smooth, water-worn cobbles. They're usually very peaceful, but you
may see some territoriality. Most Garra mix well with other fish from
similar habitats. My first choice for tankmates in a biotope style aquarium
would be Devario and Barilius.
Notes: This fish was one of seven species of Garra to be described by
Kullander and Fang in a single paper written in 2004. Two of the fish,
spilota and poecilura, came from the eastern slope of the Rakhine Yoma in
the Irrawaddy drainage, while the other five (propulvinus, nigricollaris,
vittatula, flavatra and rakhinica) were found on the western side of the
Rakhine Yoma. I covered the original description on the website and
mentioned at the time that flavatra had commercial potential.
Identification: Unlikely to be confused with other Garra as the colouration
is unique. G. vittatula has a distinct lateral band, while spilota is also
unique among Garra for the presence of its row of dark blotches along the
flanks. According to the description flavatra should also possess the
following characters: dorsal with 10 branched rays and no spines; anal with
seven branched rays and no spines; 27-29 lateral scales; 16 rows of
circumpeduncular scales and two pairs of barbels. Kullander and Fang also
describe the tubercles and rostral area in detail, as this is often used to
tell different Garra species apart.
Availability: The first imports of this species came in 2005 via BAS in
Bolton. In the past few months several shops around the UK have imported
these fish from Myanmar, or purchased them from UK-based wholesalers. These
ones were on sale at the excellent Wildwoods in Middlesex.
Price: I think these are gorgeous fish with big aquarium potential. One of
my personal favourite fish at the moment.

END OF ARTICLE ----------------

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jenn
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:37 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Best algae eater EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to let everyone know (if you haven't heard of them already or don't
have one) that I got a Panda Garra (Garra flavatra) from my favorite LFS. It
was a bit on the expensive side but the fish never stops. There isn't a bit
of green on my aquarium glass between him and the bushy nosed pleco (panda
does more of the work...). If you can, get one, it's worth it. They are
hardy, peaceful and hungry!

jenn


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25756 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Lenny, I concur with your diagnosis that this fish may very possibly
have an internal bacterial infection (quite possibly a Pseudomonas),
or an intestinal blockage, just from the description. Having just
now got back up on line, I have not yet seen Jim's photo(s) which he
has said he said should be up shortly; that's the next place to
visit. As he had also posted pics of his breeding Angels only this
afternoon, I'd venture a guess that he's referring to a Double Dark
Black female Angelfish. We'll have to look into this further, but
these coming photos may reveal more. Its possible that he may need
to feed the fish peas or give the fish an Epsom salts bath to
alleviate such a possible intestinal problem, but perhaps the photos
may help to pinpoint the problem further. Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what a DD is. I'm sure it's going to be obvious when
you say
> but I'm drawing a blank off the top of my head.
>
> Typically, a bloated fish of that degree is related to an internal
bacterial
> infection... the same type of bacteria that causes pop eye in
fish. If the
> DD is some type of malawi cichlid, then there is also malawi bloat
which I
> believe is another name for dropsy but I haven't been reading up on
malawi
> bloat in a while. If the entire fish has a pine cone effect where
the
> scales are sticking out, that would be dropsy, if it's only bloated
in the
> abdominal area without the scales sticking out or maybe only
sticking out a
> little in the swollen area, then it's more likely an internal
bacterial
> infection. Dropsy is much more difficult to treat.
>
> Of course, with a fish named Oprah, maybe she just went off her
diet and
> binged out. ;-)
>
> You should quarantine the fish so you can treat it accordingly and
observe
> any poop discharged by the fish and let us know what it looks
like. Here's
> a couple of goldfish poop diagnosis pages but I believe these
descriptions
> are the same for most other fish.
> http://www.goldfishutopia.com/information.php?
pID=20&sid=6b3f678261d6b08be56
> 44faad6298b87 or http://www.kokosgoldfish.com/GoldfishPoop.html
>
> I've successfully treated a Blue Gourami, suffering from bloat and
pop-eye,
> with the Melafix/Pimafix cocktail but if the fish is eating, then an
> antibacterial food would probably be better.
>
> On a side note, it's probably better that you use your own photo
hosting
> site, especially when you need to show us pictures quickly since
the Group's
> photo album had to be put on moderation to prevent improper photos
from
> being uploaded by spammers so it takes a little while for one of
the mods to
> approve your upload(s).
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:21 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] What's wrong with Oprah?
>
> Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly
the size of
> a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying near the
top of the
> tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but have no idea
what is the
> problem. Suggestions?
>
> I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
> Should be up shortly.
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25757 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
Anita,

Lenny has said it pretty well. You are seeing a compressed biological cycle in action. At times there does seem to be a correlation with GH and pH, but it does not hold true under all conditions.

I'd not worry about the pH as this time. As a tank cycles, the biological activity in the tank will decrease the pH. Regular water changes will moderate this change, and you will settle in at a pH that is probably lower than your tap water, but will hold pretty steady.

There are fish that would just love to live in the water you have. Where did you get the idea that the levels of pH and GH you are currently seeing are not suitable for fish? There are fish that would even enjoy a lower pH and GH than you have now.

This probably will not hurt your plants at all. For one thing, they are probably living more on stores of food than taking what is available in your new tank, and secondly, GH does not measure some nutrients that re needed by your plants for good growth.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:31 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....

Hi -

I am new and previously lurking list member. I'm working on a
fishless cycle with my first aquarium and I have some questions about
exactly what's going on in there. I'm not panicked, just curious. I
apologize for a lengthy first post....but I can either ask the
questions now and provide details later - or just give you the
details upfront before you ask.

So I'm going to give the details ;-)

I'm also cross posting this to several lists - so feel free to skip
it if you've seen it before!

On 1/26 I set up an Eclipse 5 system (corner unit) with the intention
of adding a single betta fish. It is live planted with the following:
- 1 each of c. balansae and c. wendtii in clay pots with gravel
substrate and Fluorite supplements
- several anubius nana petite tied to rocks
- 1 Java fern that is currently in a pot, but will be tied to
driftwood
- Floating wisteria

The tank bottom is bare aside from some cleaned rocks lying around.

I have a whisper pump with an air stone, and a 50 watt stealth heater
set to 80 degrees. I have been testing the water with an API
Freshwater Master test kit, and API GH/KH test kit.

My tap water tested as follows:
PH 7.6
Ammonia 0 ppm
Nitrates 0 ppm
Nitrates 5 ppm
GH 9
KH 3

I filled the tank with tap water and added enough ammonia to bring it
up to 4 ppm. Then I tested daily, but nothing changed until day 5
when the following showed up:

PH 7.6
Ammo 2
Nitrites >.50 but < 1.0
Nitrates 10

I added enough ammonia to take it back to 4 ppm. The next day the
Ammo didn't go down, but Nitrites went to 1 and Nitrates went to 20.
I didn't do anything to the tank that day.

The next day I got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 2 (I didn't add ammonia this time)
Nitrites 5 ppm
Nitrates 40 ppm

Then I decided to test after 12 hours and got the following:
PH 7.6
Ammo .50
Nitrites 5
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.6
Ammo 1
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and tested again 12 hours later when I
got:
PH 7.2
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 40
GH 15 (up from 9 and I only tested becuase of the change in PH)
KH 3

Added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later:
PH 6.8
Ammo .50
Nitrites 1
Nitrates 10
GH 18

I'm starting to wonder what the continuing drop in PH means, but I
added ammonia to get to 4 ppm and 12 hours later (this morning) I got:
PH 6
Ammo .25
Nitrites 1
Nitrates > 5 but < 10
GH 18

When I left this morning I had raised to ammonia back to 4 ppm.

I think I understand what's going on with the ammonia, nitrites and
nitrates (and I think it looks promising....) but my questions are:

1) Should I be concerned (and/or do anything about) the drop in PH
during the cycle?

2) There appears to be some connection between the PH and GH - can
somebody explain to me what that connection is?

3) I know the current PH and GH are not good for fish and I could
correct both with partial water changes, but should I bother with
that right now?

4) Will this level of PH and GH hurt the plants?

Again I apologize for the length - but I truly appreciate any
explanations or suggestions you can offer!

Anita










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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25758 From: my_cycling Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Lenny,

Thanks so much for the info on fish lifespans, I had no idea. Does
it make you so sad that most people have no idea about fish
keeping? I had no idea that goldfish had a long lifespan. I always
thought fish in general had pretty short lifespans. I had no idea
that fish could grow to be quite large. I thought the only reason
to have a big tank was so that you could have lots of fish. I had
no idea that there were different watter requirements for different
fish. Like I said, I would have been like my dad, putting whatever
fish looked nicest together in a tank, and chalking their deaths up
to the fact that they must have just been old or sick or whatever.
I knew that some fish were more aggressive than others, but I had no
idea about grouping them together according to their dispositions
towards eachother. I think it's really sad that most common fish
stores (PetSmart, PetCo, Wal Mart, etc.) give ABSOLUTELY NO
information about fish or fish keeping when customers make a
purchase - they just let the customer buy whatever they want, how
many they want, etc. And for the most part, if the customer DOES
ask questions, the employees aren't informed enough to give correct
and thorough answers. Even my favorite LFS that has a lot more
intelegent staff, a lot better stock of fish, etc. doesn't always
seem to know the answers to my questions. Anyway, thank goodness
for the internet and the opportunity to do research from home, and
the resourse of other people who have experience. If it weren't for
this many of us would not be able to get accurate info.

Thanks for being here.

-Cheryl
:D
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25759 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/5/2008
Subject: Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice
Cheryl said: "...Does it make you so sad that most people have no idea
about fish keeping?..."

Cheryl,

While I regularly lash out at pet store management and/or employees for
giving bad advice, I don't expect them to give advice to people on how to
raise their pets. In fact, it would be better if they didn't give advice.
Just like I don't expect a car company or salesman to teach you how to drive
a car or a computer seller to teach you how to use Windows or all of the
software on the new computer. It's up to the individual to know these
things beforehand or put forth the effort to learn ASAP.

Of course, these stores selling "live" pets should be ready and willing to
direct the people to books or internet resources (they could just tell their
customers to "Google GoldLenny".. lol) if they do not have reputable and
accurate care sheets to give to people. It is sad when these major stores
have care sheets that give out bad information (like the Pets-not-so-smart
gave me when I first started out). It might be a good community service or
for-profit idea for these stores to hold regular in-store seminars but most
people would not attend them... but at least the stores would not be to
blame. Just like everything else in life, it boils down to personal and
individual responsibility... not blaming it on someone else or expecting
others to bail you out... not you personally.. just people in general.

Another thing that is so sad are the numbers of websites and books that
still give out horrible advice so even if someone was to study one of these
"bad" sources, they would still be so ill-informed. While there are volumes
of good information on the net, there are also volumes of bad information
which looks like it is well written and appears to be good. I recently
purchased a Goldfish book at a garage sale, mainly to get it out of
circulation since it had some HORRIBLE advice in it. The authors and
publishers of these books should be held liable and have to issue a recall
on their books, much like a manufacturer of a defective product has to issue
a recall for public safety. I never hear about PeTA picketing a book
publisher even though that book will be responsible for many, many suffering
or dead pets.

Forums like this are still the best resource for people needing quick advice
and for finding reputable websites and books for long term education.

These are some of the things I tried to address in my fish blog,
http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com, where I have compiled most of my favorite
links to reputable sites and resources. And then for some of the common
questions that I've read and/or answered over and over in forums, I
published specific blogs so I can just direct someone to my blog rather than
re-type the same thing over and over.

I need to do some research on how to recreate my entire "Aquarium" favorites
folder into an interactive page on my blog that would be easily updated and
synchronized when I changed my favorites folder on my computer. I already
have my "Aquarium" folder organized into 30 sub-folders and each of those
folders have multiple sub-sub-folders containing the actual webpage links so
it's easy for me to find a resource for just about anything being discussed.
Then I also do a quick Google to check for new reliable resources or updates
on a regular basis.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of my_cycling
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:41 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Setting up a new cichlid tank - need advice

Lenny,

Thanks so much for the info on fish lifespans, I had no idea. Does it make
you so sad that most people have no idea about fish keeping? I had no idea
that goldfish had a long lifespan. I always thought fish in general had
pretty short lifespans. I had no idea that fish could grow to be quite
large. I thought the only reason to have a big tank was so that you could
have lots of fish. I had no idea that there were different watter
requirements for different fish. Like I said, I would have been like my dad,
putting whatever fish looked nicest together in a tank, and chalking their
deaths up to the fact that they must have just been old or sick or whatever.

I knew that some fish were more aggressive than others, but I had no idea
about grouping them together according to their dispositions towards
eachother. I think it's really sad that most common fish stores (PetSmart,
PetCo, Wal Mart, etc.) give ABSOLUTELY NO information about fish or fish
keeping when customers make a purchase - they just let the customer buy
whatever they want, how many they want, etc. And for the most part, if the
customer DOES ask questions, the employees aren't informed enough to give
correct and thorough answers. Even my favorite LFS that has a lot more
intelegent staff, a lot better stock of fish, etc. doesn't always seem to
know the answers to my questions. Anyway, thank goodness for the internet
and the opportunity to do research from home, and the resourse of other
people who have experience. If it weren't for this many of us would not be
able to get accurate info.

Thanks for being here.

-Cheryl
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25760 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Breeding for Blood Parrots
Jenn, Following up on this recent post; for your interest, I just
now discovered there's a copy of the 141 Page book, "Rainbowfishes of
Australia and Papua New Guinea" by Dr. Gerald R. Allen & Norbert J.
Cross up on AquaBid presently, starting at $40.00 (well worth it, its
an excellent book) from an extremely reliable aquatic book dealer in
Rhode Island. This Auction ends today at 12:30 PM Central Standard
Time (1:30 PM Eastern Standard Time). Lots of luck if you're
bidding. Let us know how you make out if you go for it.
Regards, Ray.


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Jenn, Some excellent Rainbowfish books I'd recommend for your
> consideration are these following publications which, although out
of
> print, may be found on eBay from time to time and are well worth
> looking for; I have these in my library:
>
> (1) "Rainbowfishes in Nature and in the Aquarium" by Dr. Gerald R'.
> Allen (1995 Tetra Press). Exceedingly good reference book.
>
> (2) "Rainbowfishes of Australia and Papua New Guinea" by Dr. Gerald
> R. Allen & Norbert J. Cross (1982 T.F.H. Publications) HIGHLY
> recommended; Dr. Allen is THE world reknown expert on Rainbowfish.
>
> (3) "Australian Native Fishes" by Ray Leggett and John R. Merrick
> (1987 J.R. Merrick Publications) Covers a wide variety of
Australian
> fishes, including many Rainbowfish; the authors are well-recognized
> authorities on Australian aquatic fauna.
>
> (4) "Rainbowfishes - Keeping & Breeding Them in Captivity" by Derek
> Lambert ( 1998 T.F.H. Publications) Excellent 64 page softcover
book
> with much information and photos.
>
> (5) "Rainbowfishes I D - Care and Breeding" by G.R. Allen (1996).
>
> Ray
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am currently keeping rainbow fish but have had various South
> > American cichlids in the past and I find myself missing them.
> >
> > Now, if anyone has any websites or books they would recommend for
> > rainbows (that I will not even attempt to breed, they seem like a
> very
> > tedious fish to breed.)or even any that are available in the fish
> > trade that you think I should check out, I would appreciate
that.
> >
> > Thanks everyone.
> >
> > jenn
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25761 From: mitra19822003 Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <huron62@...> wrote:
>
> Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly the
> size of a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying near
> the top of the tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but
have
> no idea what is the problem. Suggestions?
>
> I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
> Should be up shortly.
>
hi
Iam studid marine biology.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25762 From: Anita Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>> There are fish that would just love to live in the water you have.
Where did you get the idea that the levels of pH and GH you are
currently seeing are not suitable for fish? There are fish that would
even enjoy a lower pH and GH than you have now.>>

Hi Steve -

I had read that bettas prefer a more neutral pH, and the API chart
shows that my current GH levels are better for marine fish. So for
my purposes I wasn't sure if the conditions were ideal, but I wasn't
specific about that was I? ;-)

I'm glad my plants may be okay because some of them have new growth.
And aside from that fact that I'd prefer not to kill anything out of
ignorance, I do not want dead plant material mucking up my tank
either. :)

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25763 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Jim, In studying the pic of your female Black Angel (Oprah), the
preliminary diagnosis of yesterday seemed to be confirmed as a least
one of the possible causes for her condition. As there are no scales
to be seen standing out from the body, nor is the major portion (upper
muscular included) of the body swelled it would not seems to be Dropsey
in any sort.

I see three possible causes, some of which if you've been observant may
be either confirmed or denied, and I'm sure you watch your breeders
closely -- especially ill ones like this. One possibility is that its
egg bound, but then only you would know better as knowing this fish's
most recent breeding schedule. The second possibility, and this may be
real, is that there's an intestinal blockage, but again an astute
aquarist such as you might be might know if this fish is passing
feces. In the event you haven't noticed, I'd advise feeding this fish
shelled green peas (slightly blanched) and providing a bath of Epsom
salts (1 Tbs per 5 gallons to be reated with 1/2 dose after 3 days),
especially if you've observed and have seen no waste.

The third possibility, and one that appears most probable (without
actually hasving a slide culture to examine), is that this fish has an
anaerobic intestinal pathogen in these cases usually involving
Pseudomonas punctata (once thought to be the cause of Dropsey, and
still suspect), Aeromonas hydrophila and possibly Enterococcus sp., not
that this matters much except to say that the first two are gram-
negative Bacillus while the third pathogen (if present) is gram-
positive. For this reason, I'd suggest treating with an absorpable
broad-spectrum antibiotic such as either Neomycin sulfate or Kanamycin
sulfate; Kanamycin is great stuff especially against gram-negative
bacteria, as well as some gram-positive bacteria and is readily
absorbed through the fish tissue (skin, gills, etc.)

Normally, a fish's immune system will keep such infections at bay, as
the bactericidin in their blod is toxic to microorganisms. The
reticuloendothelial cells of the spleen, liver and blood vessels also
tend to counteract such invasions. Unfortunatelly when overwhelmed for
whastever reason, these particular pathogens of the intestinal tract
give off gases and acids, which are symptomatic as to what's going on
here by appearances restricted to the lower abdominal area. If the
fish is still eating, I'd also advise feeding it only with medicated
(anti-biotic) food, or make up your own soaking foods in these
bacticides. Some salt is always beneficial as it increases the
electrolytes that otherwise might be lost with stressed fish, and a
moderate rise in temperature. Ray



--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <huron62@...> wrote:
>
> Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly the
> size of a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying near
> the top of the tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but
have
> no idea what is the problem. Suggestions?
>
> I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
> Should be up shortly.
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25764 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: What's wrong with Oprah?
Why is it that typo's never appear before you post a message, but are
always found after the message is up (LOL)??? Spell checking often
gets in the way too, or let's unintentional stuff get by since it
doesn't read context. Anyhow, to clarify, the first sentence should
read as: . . . confirmed as AT least one . . .

Scrolling down, the Epsom salts treatment should have read -- 1 Tsp
of Epsom salts to be RE-TREATED with 1/2 dose . . .

I'm sure "hasving" in the explanation of the third possibility is
understood to be HAVING. Ciao, Ray


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Jim, In studying the pic of your female Black Angel (Oprah), the
> preliminary diagnosis of yesterday seemed to be confirmed as a
least
> one of the possible causes for her condition. As there are no
scales
> to be seen standing out from the body, nor is the major portion
(upper
> muscular included) of the body swelled it would not seems to be
Dropsey
> in any sort.
>
> I see three possible causes, some of which if you've been observant
may
> be either confirmed or denied, and I'm sure you watch your breeders
> closely -- especially ill ones like this. One possibility is that
its
> egg bound, but then only you would know better as knowing this
fish's
> most recent breeding schedule. The second possibility, and this
may be
> real, is that there's an intestinal blockage, but again an astute
> aquarist such as you might be might know if this fish is passing
> feces. In the event you haven't noticed, I'd advise feeding this
fish
> shelled green peas (slightly blanched) and providing a bath of
Epsom
> salts (1 Tbs per 5 gallons to be reated with 1/2 dose after 3
days),
> especially if you've observed and have seen no waste.
>
> The third possibility, and one that appears most probable (without
> actually hasving a slide culture to examine), is that this fish has
an
> anaerobic intestinal pathogen in these cases usually involving
> Pseudomonas punctata (once thought to be the cause of Dropsey, and
> still suspect), Aeromonas hydrophila and possibly Enterococcus sp.,
not
> that this matters much except to say that the first two are gram-
> negative Bacillus while the third pathogen (if present) is gram-
> positive. For this reason, I'd suggest treating with an absorpable
> broad-spectrum antibiotic such as either Neomycin sulfate or
Kanamycin
> sulfate; Kanamycin is great stuff especially against gram-negative
> bacteria, as well as some gram-positive bacteria and is readily
> absorbed through the fish tissue (skin, gills, etc.)
>
> Normally, a fish's immune system will keep such infections at bay,
as
> the bactericidin in their blod is toxic to microorganisms. The
> reticuloendothelial cells of the spleen, liver and blood vessels
also
> tend to counteract such invasions. Unfortunatelly when overwhelmed
for
> whastever reason, these particular pathogens of the intestinal
tract
> give off gases and acids, which are symptomatic as to what's going
on
> here by appearances restricted to the lower abdominal area. If the
> fish is still eating, I'd also advise feeding it only with
medicated
> (anti-biotic) food, or make up your own soaking foods in these
> bacticides. Some salt is always beneficial as it increases the
> electrolytes that otherwise might be lost with stressed fish, and a
> moderate rise in temperature. Ray
>
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" <huron62@> wrote:
> >
> > Oprah, one of my breeding DD Blsck females has swollen up nearly
the
> > size of a ping pong ball. She seems a little stressed... staying
near
> > the top of the tank. I have removed her to a quarantine tank, but
> have
> > no idea what is the problem. Suggestions?
> >
> > I have posted a picture in my album (Greymane) called Sick Oprah.
> > Should be up shortly.
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25765 From: Paula Brown Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Pleco Question
All the reading on this list and another lately has got me wondering something: I have a 55 gallon community (danios, tetras, endlers) tank, heavily planted. Hasn't been broke down for about six years (and that was just to move it for painting replacing the same water right away). I think it was around that time (if not before) that I purchased my (assuming) Common Pleco (he is the only bottom feeder in the tank). He basically lives in a piece of blue coral (large) and comes out at night to feed. Fed fresh veggies, algae wafers, shrimp pellets and flake food. From head to tail he is only about six inches. That just seems like a very small amount of growth for his age. He was raised in this 55 gallon - has been in there since a baby when I purchased him. Appears very healthy. Is he small for his age or is it my imagination? He is definitely not a bushy or bristley (sp?).

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25766 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Um, yeah, you can send them to me. :)
Kate

Raymond Wetzel <sevenspringss@...> wrote: Jenn, If you have water fleas (Daphnia), the "problem" should soon
take care of itself. Just about any and all fish relish them as this
is a prime food for fish in the natural habitat when and where they
coexist. Its cetainly nothing to worry about, as they are not "fleas"
in the manner we thing of such pests on dogs, and are really of little
concern. Many advanced hobbyists raise Daphnia specifically to feed
their fish with, especially since its a good live food despite the fact
there's a lot of shell matter. Daphnia are often sold in better LFS's
for this same purpose. Ray

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jenn" <jennhonaker1974@...> wrote:
>
> I noticed that I have water fleas. From what I have read, they really
> aren't a threat to my tank but is there a way to get rid of them?
>
>
>
> Jenn
>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25767 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
I adore Shelties. I used to have two. They are so smart!
Kate

Gregg <greggb57@...> wrote: I'm terribly sorry to hear of your loss, Ed. As a fellow dog lover, owner
and rescuer, I know how deeply that can affect you. My pack of Shelties
sends their condolences and reminds you that your dog will be waiting for
you at the Rainbow Bridge.

--
Gregg Bender
www.nvsr.org

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25768 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Pleco Question
Paula,

There are hundreds of fish that are called plecos as a general
classification. They can range in size for somewhat diminutive to
absolutely large. Many plecos have not been definitively described and
go by a classification of "L" numbers, i.e. L486 rather than a
scientific or common name. Many plecos closely resemble other plecos,
often making a certain diagnosis of name difficult when just eyeballed.
Unfortunately, many of the plecos found in the shops are larger species
that can, and will, outgrow the tanks they will be placed in. This is
why you often hear or see the warnings that any given pleco will outgrow
the tank they are in.

In your particular case, you may have been lucky to get one of the
smaller plecos. So long as you are doing regular water changes, and the
fish is eating, he will outgrow the tank if it is necessary to reach his
natural size. (An old wife's tale states that a fish will stunt itself
to fit in a given container. This may happen in certain situations, but
it is certainly not a rule.)

I do congratulate you on your husbandry skills in maintaining a tank for
so long without making any major changes for whatever reason.

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Paula Brown
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:57 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Pleco Question

All the reading on this list and another lately has got me wondering
something: I have a 55 gallon community (danios, tetras, endlers) tank,
heavily planted. Hasn't been broke down for about six years (and that
was just to move it for painting replacing the same water right away).
I think it was around that time (if not before) that I purchased my
(assuming) Common Pleco (he is the only bottom feeder in the tank). He
basically lives in a piece of blue coral (large) and comes out at night
to feed. Fed fresh veggies, algae wafers, shrimp pellets and flake
food. From head to tail he is only about six inches. That just seems
like a very small amount of growth for his age. He was raised in this
55 gallon - has been in there since a baby when I purchased him.
Appears very healthy. Is he small for his age or is it my imagination?
He is definitely not a bushy or bristley (sp?).

Paula in Monroe, Michigan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25769 From: Anita Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
>>> You might want to lower your expectations from three to no more
than two fancy goldfish in a 55G (4') or only one in a 30G long.
Goldfish need lots of water volume to handle their bioload. >>

Thanks for the reality check Lenny :) I bookmarked your blog under my
Goldfish folder.

I understand that goldfish are sociable fish and I wanted more than
one just in case I can't provide enough interaction every day.

Okay new revised fantasy: a 55 gallon tank with 2 fantail goldfish and
some plants that I don't mind replacing frequently, a couple of
filters, etc. I'll start re-thinking the plan. I want to avoid only
having one goldfish....

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25770 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: cichlid identification
Sounds like a convict to me. They are also called "zebras" because of
the stripes. I have five males; if you don't want a bunch of baby
convicts, I recommend you don't add a female. Your "small" cichlid
will get big. My five are in a 40 gallon and they should be in a 55 or
60 gal. Another way to identify a male: as they get older, they get a
bump on the front of the head. They can be very aggressive and
territorial. Do not, repeat, do not put any other species in with
convict cichlids.

As for the color changes: I've noticed that mine get paler depending
on the hierarchy; the "alpha" male will be very dark and take over the
fake hollow tree stump; another will be lighter, and the others very
pale. Every now and then they do this challenge thing where they
approach one another and move forward and back, as if they're going to
fight. (And I've noticed that some of them have nipped fins.) They
also "nest"; they actually pick up small pebbles in their mouths and
move them around to make a nest in anticipation of mating and taking
care of fry. Convict males are excellent parents and will aggressively
guard their offspring. I don't want to have to worry about what to do
with the fry, so my males are just going to have to make do without
females. I've also noticed that when they are in the mating mood, they
spook easily as I approach, don't eat much, and attack my hand if I
attempt to rearrange the tank when making water changes. (They're
protecting their nests.)

Good luck; I think you'll enjoy your convict, and you may want to get
another (same sex). Please do surf the web and learn more about them.

Shirley

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "in_my_mind19" <in_my_mind19@...>
wrote:
>
> They just said that he is a 'small cichlid' no identification at
> all
>
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Donna Ransome <djransome@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What did the local pet store say he was?
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of in_my_mind19
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:07 PM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] cichlid identification
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently bought a small cichlid from my local pet store. I have
> > been unable to identify what kind he is, more than likely due to
> my
> > newness to fish. But he is at 2 inches long, with a light grey
> body
> > and darker grey verticle lines on him. Also, I have notice he
> changes
> > colors from almost a liquid white color in the light and then the
> > normal grey with dark grey strips. Anyone know what kind of
> cichlid
> > he is?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25771 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Terrible day
There are two here also, that Gregg knows. And a foster he probably doesn't. Of course, as he knows, shelties don't hold a candle to border collies, of which there is one here also.

\\Steve//


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:03 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Terrible day

I adore Shelties. I used to have two. They are so smart!
Kate

Gregg <greggb57@...> wrote: I'm terribly sorry to hear of your loss, Ed. As a fellow dog lover, owner
and rescuer, I know how deeply that can affect you. My pack of Shelties
sends their condolences and reminds you that your dog will be waiting for
you at the Rainbow Bridge.

--
Gregg Bender
www.nvsr.org

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25772 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
That's a good start. And after a year or two, if your guys/gals have some
good genetics, you can keep up with PWC's and feedings and they get really,
really BIG, you won't mind getting an even larger tank.... or pond. lol

The new record size for a fancy goldfish is Bruce the Oranda, who is around
18" long now. Here's a picture of him back in 2002 when he was only 15"
long.
http://www.goldfishconnection.com/articles/details.php?articleId=46&parentId
=2

Of course, most fancy goldfish only grow to 6" to 8" long but that is still
a lot of body mass of fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:28 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle
questions....

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
>>> You might want to lower your expectations from three to no more
than two fancy goldfish in a 55G (4') or only one in a 30G long.
Goldfish need lots of water volume to handle their bioload. >>

Thanks for the reality check Lenny :) I bookmarked your blog under my
Goldfish folder.

I understand that goldfish are sociable fish and I wanted more than one just
in case I can't provide enough interaction every day.

Okay new revised fantasy: a 55 gallon tank with 2 fantail goldfish and some
plants that I don't mind replacing frequently, a couple of filters, etc.
I'll start re-thinking the plan. I want to avoid only having one
goldfish....

Anita


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25773 From: Kelly Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: New and in trouble already!
About a month ago, I decided to set up my 1 1/2 gallon tank, I had a
Placo, a male fan tailed guppy, and 13 feeder guppies in it. All was
fine. Then I decided to set up my 10 gallon last week. I knew
nothing of cycling the tank, so I put the water in with the
dechlorinator and PH Stabalizer and put in my fan tailed guppy, my 11
feeder guppies that were still alive from the other tank and I bought
3 goldfish, 1 neon, a catfish and a fiddler crab.

The pet store told me that the fiddler crab was fresh water and that
my feeder guppies were all safe from the fish I had with them.
Well....silly me...I believed the "experts". The next day my neon was
dead and this is when I learned about cycling the tank...so I got the
chemicals for that. Then the next day most of my feeder guppies and
my fan tailed guppy were gone, by the next day all the feeder guppies
were gone...I am guessing the goldfish ate them? The good news was
that I still had my Pleco in the small tank and one of my guppies had
laid eggs before the transfer, so I now have a bunch of baby feeder
guppies.

Then last night I was doing some research and learned that fiddler
crabs need not only salt water to live, but dry sand and fresh water
to drink! Ok, so I don't want "Kermit the Crab" to die, so I am
setting up my 20 gallon tank for him. I am going tomorrow to get the
sand and salt stuff. I have the water in the tank right now doing
whatever it is supposed to be doing. Are there any fish that I can
put in with him in that tank?

Yesterday, I also bought a 55 gallon tank and got that all set up,
except it doesn't have a filter. Someone told me that I will need 2
filters for 30-60 gallon tanks, is this true? He also told me that I
don't have to cycle it...he said he has never heard of such a crazy
thing...do I have to cycle it? I put the stuff in to speed it
up...how long will it take? He also said that goldfish are extremely
dirty and that I can't house them with other fish cause they will give
them diseases and kill them...is this true?

Sorry for the long post, but I appreciate all the help I can get.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25774 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Kelly....not sure about the cycling. I never cycled any of my tanks but I know it is a standard practice. About the goldfish......they are "messy" fish and should not be mixed with freshwater tropicals. The tropicals require a warmer water temperature than the goldfish does....goldfish like it kinda cool. Good luck with your little crab.....

Cory S. Walter

Have a wonderful, blessed day!



----- Original Message ----
From: Kelly <mrskjtracy@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:18:32 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] New and in trouble already!

About a month ago, I decided to set up my 1 1/2 gallon tank, I had a
Placo, a male fan tailed guppy, and 13 feeder guppies in it. All was
fine. Then I decided to set up my 10 gallon last week. I knew
nothing of cycling the tank, so I put the water in with the
dechlorinator and PH Stabalizer and put in my fan tailed guppy, my 11
feeder guppies that were still alive from the other tank and I bought
3 goldfish, 1 neon, a catfish and a fiddler crab.

The pet store told me that the fiddler crab was fresh water and that
my feeder guppies were all safe from the fish I had with them.
Well....silly me...I believed the "experts". The next day my neon was
dead and this is when I learned about cycling the tank...so I got the
chemicals for that. Then the next day most of my feeder guppies and
my fan tailed guppy were gone, by the next day all the feeder guppies
were gone...I am guessing the goldfish ate them? The good news was
that I still had my Pleco in the small tank and one of my guppies had
laid eggs before the transfer, so I now have a bunch of baby feeder
guppies.

Then last night I was doing some research and learned that fiddler
crabs need not only salt water to live, but dry sand and fresh water
to drink! Ok, so I don't want "Kermit the Crab" to die, so I am
setting up my 20 gallon tank for him. I am going tomorrow to get the
sand and salt stuff. I have the water in the tank right now doing
whatever it is supposed to be doing. Are there any fish that I can
put in with him in that tank?

Yesterday, I also bought a 55 gallon tank and got that all set up,
except it doesn't have a filter. Someone told me that I will need 2
filters for 30-60 gallon tanks, is this true? He also told me that I
don't have to cycle it...he said he has never heard of such a crazy
thing...do I have to cycle it? I put the stuff in to speed it
up...how long will it take? He also said that goldfish are extremely
dirty and that I can't house them with other fish cause they will give
them diseases and kill them...is this true?

Sorry for the long post, but I appreciate all the help I can get.





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25775 From: Melissa Walker Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
The fiddler crab is not a full saltwater animal, but
is brackish water. The guppies can live happily with
the crab as they enjoy high salinity, and the crabs
are not aggressive. Give your crab sand that is about
6" deep as they like to burrow. Yes you do need fresh
water, just as a hermit crab needs salt water, not a
ton of it, but a small dish with clean fresh water
daily. And guppies are live bearers, they will breed
better for you keeping them in a higher salinity. I
set these guys up for my niece for x-mas, she loves
them.

Neons are schoolers, they really need to be kept in
groups. If you decide to get these guys again,
consider buying like 8-10 of them.

Your goldfish is dirtier than the other fish, and
although I do not agree with keeping them with other
fish it is possible. But to keep both types of fish
(tropicals and goldfish) happy, I woud seperate them.
Your goldfish get HUGE and prefer to be kept at cooler
temps, doing better arond 72 degrees or under. And
fantails for instance, 1 will need about a 20 gallon
aquarium for itself at full grown size. So I would
decide if you want to go tropical or
coolwater(goldfish).

I would indeed cycle your tank. It takes about 24
hours to get rid of the chlorine, but this is by no
means a cycle. It is best to get your tank up and
running for a min of 5 days. A great fish to cycle
with are zebra danios, cloud tetra or skirted tetra.

~Melissa

--- Cory Walter <coryswalter@...> wrote:

> Kelly....not sure about the cycling. I never cycled
> any of my tanks but I know it is a standard
> practice. About the goldfish......they are "messy"
> fish and should not be mixed with freshwater
> tropicals. The tropicals require a warmer water
> temperature than the goldfish does....goldfish like
> it kinda cool. Good luck with your little crab.....
>
> Cory S. Walter
>
> Have a wonderful, blessed day!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Kelly <mrskjtracy@...>
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 9:18:32 PM
> Subject: [AquaticLife] New and in trouble already!
>
> About a month ago, I decided to set up my 1 1/2
> gallon tank, I had a
> Placo, a male fan tailed guppy, and 13 feeder
> guppies in it. All was
> fine. Then I decided to set up my 10 gallon last
> week. I knew
> nothing of cycling the tank, so I put the water in
> with the
> dechlorinator and PH Stabalizer and put in my fan
> tailed guppy, my 11
> feeder guppies that were still alive from the other
> tank and I bought
> 3 goldfish, 1 neon, a catfish and a fiddler crab.
>
> The pet store told me that the fiddler crab was
> fresh water and that
> my feeder guppies were all safe from the fish I had
> with them.
> Well....silly me...I believed the "experts". The
> next day my neon was
> dead and this is when I learned about cycling the
> tank...so I got the
> chemicals for that. Then the next day most of my
> feeder guppies and
> my fan tailed guppy were gone, by the next day all
> the feeder guppies
> were gone...I am guessing the goldfish ate them? The
> good news was
> that I still had my Pleco in the small tank and one
> of my guppies had
> laid eggs before the transfer, so I now have a bunch
> of baby feeder
> guppies.
>
> Then last night I was doing some research and
> learned that fiddler
> crabs need not only salt water to live, but dry sand
> and fresh water
> to drink! Ok, so I don't want "Kermit the Crab" to
> die, so I am
> setting up my 20 gallon tank for him. I am going
> tomorrow to get the
> sand and salt stuff. I have the water in the tank
> right now doing
> whatever it is supposed to be doing. Are there any
> fish that I can
> put in with him in that tank?
>
> Yesterday, I also bought a 55 gallon tank and got
> that all set up,
> except it doesn't have a filter. Someone told me
> that I will need 2
> filters for 30-60 gallon tanks, is this true? He
> also told me that I
> don't have to cycle it...he said he has never heard
> of such a crazy
> thing...do I have to cycle it? I put the stuff in to
> speed it
> up...how long will it take? He also said that
> goldfish are extremely
> dirty and that I can't house them with other fish
> cause they will give
> them diseases and kill them...is this true?
>
> Sorry for the long post, but I appreciate all the
> help I can get.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25776 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Kelly,

Not necessarily in any kind of order, but more stream of consciousness,
though I am gradually sinking into unconsciousness <g>.

The biological cycle is very important in the keeping of an aquarium. If
you look through the archives here, you will find many discussions of
the topic. In a nutshell, fish will release, among other things, ammonia
into the water. The cycle will take this ammonia and convert it to
nitrites and then nitrates. This is done by bacteria in your tank and on
filter media.

Ammonia is very toxic, with toxicity varying somewhat dependant on pH.
Nitrite is also toxic to fish, but not so much as ammonia. The final
product, nitrate can be toxic to fish, but at fairly high levels for
most fish. Without help, a cycle will take from 4-8 weeks to establish.
Google "fishless cycling" for some information about cycling your tank
without fish.

Now that you have a 55 gallon tank, and goldfish, move the goldfish over
there, and put a canister filter on it. As the goldfish grow, you will
need to decide what to do with one of them since you can only have 2 in
a 55. Goldfish, when they are adults, really need about 30 gallons of
water per fish to do well, but you can usually get away with 2 in a 55.
You will not need a heater on this tank, unless you expect the room
temperature to get below 55 degrees F.

Neons are pretty sensitive to nitrogenous wastes ( the ammonia, etc.).
This is why you probably lost it first. With the goldfish putting out
waste as they do, the neon could not handle it and died. Once that
happened, the ammonia output increased as the body began to decompose.
The feeder guppies are not strong specimens to begin with, and they
started to fall, and with each death. More toxins in the water working
against the others still living. Kind of like a chain reaction.

Don't be going out and buying all kinds of chemicals. You simply need a
good water conditioner--look for Ultimate distributed by HikariUSA
(vested interest here, I know the guy who deve3loped it) and get
yourself a good set of test kits, I recommend the AquaTru kits by
Kordon, if you can find them. Use the test kits to get a baseline
measurement of your tap water so that you have something to measure
against, and then test and test again during the cycle period, at least
once a day. Once your cycle has vompleted, you can back off on the
frequency of the testing, but yo should continue to test.

I cannot comment on the crabs, since I have never kept them. Others
should be able to fill you in.

I think I've given you some food for thought here. Feel free to ask more
questions, and never do anything with fish in a hurry.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New and in trouble already!

About a month ago, I decided to set up my 1 1/2 gallon tank, I had a
Placo, a male fan tailed guppy, and 13 feeder guppies in it. All was
fine. Then I decided to set up my 10 gallon last week. I knew
nothing of cycling the tank, so I put the water in with the
dechlorinator and PH Stabalizer and put in my fan tailed guppy, my 11
feeder guppies that were still alive from the other tank and I bought
3 goldfish, 1 neon, a catfish and a fiddler crab.

The pet store told me that the fiddler crab was fresh water and that
my feeder guppies were all safe from the fish I had with them.
Well....silly me...I believed the "experts". The next day my neon was
dead and this is when I learned about cycling the tank...so I got the
chemicals for that. Then the next day most of my feeder guppies and
my fan tailed guppy were gone, by the next day all the feeder guppies
were gone...I am guessing the goldfish ate them? The good news was
that I still had my Pleco in the small tank and one of my guppies had
laid eggs before the transfer, so I now have a bunch of baby feeder
guppies.

Then last night I was doing some research and learned that fiddler
crabs need not only salt water to live, but dry sand and fresh water
to drink! Ok, so I don't want "Kermit the Crab" to die, so I am
setting up my 20 gallon tank for him. I am going tomorrow to get the
sand and salt stuff. I have the water in the tank right now doing
whatever it is supposed to be doing. Are there any fish that I can
put in with him in that tank?

Yesterday, I also bought a 55 gallon tank and got that all set up,
except it doesn't have a filter. Someone told me that I will need 2
filters for 30-60 gallon tanks, is this true? He also told me that I
don't have to cycle it...he said he has never heard of such a crazy
thing...do I have to cycle it? I put the stuff in to speed it
up...how long will it take? He also said that goldfish are extremely
dirty and that I can't house them with other fish cause they will give
them diseases and kill them...is this true?

Sorry for the long post, but I appreciate all the help I can get.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25777 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle questions....
As far as such measurements go, pH, GH, and other water parameters,
there has not been a real good record of water conditions where the fish
are found until relatively recently, and much has not yet hit the
general literature (and many authors have simply copied from others,
perpetuation bad information as well as good). Bettas, for the most
part, are found in still waters, high in tannins, which pretty much
points to an acidic pH rather than neutral. However, the Betta
splendens, the one usually found in stores, has been highly modified by
man, so they may do better in the pH they have been raised in, which is
likely to be almost impossible to determine in a commercial setting. The
dwarf cichlids, commonly known as Rams, have been found in water with a
pH of less than 5, with very little in the way of measurable GH (dH) or
KH. Take the listing for such things with a grain of salt. If the fish
are doing well, don't worry about it at all. Fish are pretty adaptable
creatures.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Anita
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:46 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Hi - I'm a new aquarist with fishless cycle
questions....

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Szabo" <steve@...> wrote:
>> There are fish that would just love to live in the water you have.
Where did you get the idea that the levels of pH and GH you are
currently seeing are not suitable for fish? There are fish that would
even enjoy a lower pH and GH than you have now.>>

Hi Steve -

I had read that bettas prefer a more neutral pH, and the API chart
shows that my current GH levels are better for marine fish. So for
my purposes I wasn't sure if the conditions were ideal, but I wasn't
specific about that was I? ;-)

I'm glad my plants may be okay because some of them have new growth.
And aside from that fact that I'd prefer not to kill anything out of
ignorance, I do not want dead plant material mucking up my tank
either. :)

Anita
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25778 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/6/2008
Subject: Re: New and in trouble already!
Hi Kelly,

I see that a couple of others have already replied but I wanted to chime in
also.

You are making a lot of newbie mistakes... the same ones many of us made
before learning proper fish keeping. Go to my blog
http://GoldLenny.Blogspot.com and on the right side, you will see links to
my many "articles". Under my article "A to Z of Fish Keeping", right near
the top of that page, there are two different online tutorials that will
walk you through all of the basics. Come back here with any questions on
anything and we will do the best we can to walk you through various steps.
There are also links to Fishless Cycling, Cycling With Fish, Filter
Maintenance & Cleaning, etc... some of the things you will need to know now
that you are in the hobby.

I also want to emphasize that the Pleco and Goldfish are BIG fish... or at
least they are supposed to grow up to be BIG fish so they need BIG tanks.
Three goldfish should be in a 90G+ tank. The Pleco, if a common pleco,
which is the most common sold in stores, grows to 18-24" long and need a
75G+ tank by themselves.. or to share with a couple of other smaller fish.

Come back with lots of questions.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] New and in trouble already!

About a month ago, I decided to set up my 1 1/2 gallon tank, I had a Placo,
a male fan tailed guppy, and 13 feeder guppies in it. All was fine. Then I
decided to set up my 10 gallon last week. I knew nothing of cycling the
tank, so I put the water in with the dechlorinator and PH Stabalizer and put
in my fan tailed guppy, my 11 feeder guppies that were still alive from the
other tank and I bought
3 goldfish, 1 neon, a catfish and a fiddler crab.

The pet store told me that the fiddler crab was fresh water and that my
feeder guppies were all safe from the fish I had with them.
Well....silly me...I believed the "experts". The next day my neon was dead
and this is when I learned about cycling the tank...so I got the chemicals
for that. Then the next day most of my feeder guppies and my fan tailed
guppy were gone, by the next day all the feeder guppies were gone...I am
guessing the goldfish ate them? The good news was that I still had my Pleco
in the small tank and one of my guppies had laid eggs before the transfer,
so I now have a bunch of baby feeder guppies.

Then last night I was doing some research and learned that fiddler crabs
need not only salt water to live, but dry sand and fresh water to drink! Ok,
so I don't want "Kermit the Crab" to die, so I am setting up my 20 gallon
tank for him. I am going tomorrow to get the sand and salt stuff. I have the
water in the tank right now doing whatever it is supposed to be doing. Are
there any fish that I can put in with him in that tank?

Yesterday, I also bought a 55 gallon tank and got that all set up, except it
doesn't have a filter. Someone told me that I will need 2 filters for 30-60
gallon tanks, is this true? He also told me that I don't have to cycle
it...he said he has never heard of such a crazy thing...do I have to cycle
it? I put the stuff in to speed it up...how long will it take? He also said
that goldfish are extremely dirty and that I can't house them with other
fish cause they will give them diseases and kill them...is this true?

Sorry for the long post, but I appreciate all the help I can get.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25779 From: Gregg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Don't mind Steve, folks! He's just trying to jerk my chain! If we weren't in
Sheltie Rescue, we'd be in BC Rescue and Steve knows it! ;-)

--
Gregg Bender
www.nvsr.org


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25780 From: Gregg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Guppies and Kermit the Crab
When I was growing up in Puerto Rico, guppies were found everywhere,
including in tidal estuaries that opened into the Atlantic Ocean. They adapt
well to strong brackish water if it is changed gradually. I never had to buy
feeder guppies - all I had to do is go net a couple hundred.

--
Gregg Bender
www.nvsr.org


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25781 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Rescue work -Off topic
I too am involved in rescue, it's nice to know that others in the group are too. I'm associated with two rescue groups. Lone star equine rescue and True blue animal rescue.
Year before last t-bar (true blue animal rescue) won ABC extreme home makeover. It's was wonderful, they built our president and founder a new 3300 sq ft home as will as a state of the art horse barn, dog kennel,and cat house! Check it out at www.t-bar.org
And to my fellow rescue workers, keep it up! Thank You for what you doing in the name of humanity
It's heart wrenching work.........with a huge reward !
(at least most of the time)
DBA Aquariums By Sissy
www.aquariumsbysissy.com

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25782 From: rahj_dg Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Ghost Shrimp
Hi everyone,
One of my ghost shrimps has eggs she is carrying underneath herself.
How long do I have to wait untill they hatch? What type of water do
the babies need? I am going to move her to a seperate tank should I
put one of the males in there with her or would they just stress her
out and eat the babies? I looked on the web quick and all I found for
directions was "add the proper amount of aquarium salt". So any info
anyone can direct me to would be great.
Thank you
Gina
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25783 From: my_cycling Date: 2/7/2008
Subject: Should I sell my convicts?
I'm trying to decide what to do with my convict couple now that I have
a new tank. I was planning to transfer them to it, but now I'm just
not sure. I do like them. And I'm proud that I was able to sex them
on the first try even though they're only about 3-6 months old and 1-
1.5 inches long. I'm just not sure I can deal with this much fry!! I
had originally planned to give them away to anyone I could find who
wanted them, like a free goldfish thing, but now that I know more
about them and how much care they need, I'm not sure I feel good about
that. Any suggestions?

TIA,

Cheryl
:D
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25784 From: Abbey Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Recurring Ich
Hello folks!

I'm new here and am glad to have found the group!

Anyway, I've been experiencing a perplexing issue in one of my
tanks. For about 2 months now, I have this recurring case of ich
that comes back once the temperature is lowered. I've been treating
it by increasing temps to 86-88 degrees F, sometimes for up to 2
weeks at a time. The salt I added was negligible since there are
scaleless fish in there.

As soon as the ich appears to be gone and I've waited a few days
without seeing any spots, I reduce the temperature and within a few
days it's back! So now the temp basically stays up permanently which
has resulted in many of my live plants dying and wilting.

Any ideas on what could be causing this? I haven't added any new
fish in a long while, the water parameters are ideal, and a weekly 20-
30% water change has taken place. So far I've lost my two albino
corydoras, but the other fish all appear to be fine if not slightly
under-weight (for whatever reason).

Any advice is appreciated!

Abbey
dsmfishgal@...
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25785 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
The problem you are facing is that you are not killing the ich when it is most vulnerable, in the free swimming stage. The purpose of raising the water temperature is to speed the life cycle of the ich parasite, not to kill it. You do not say how much salt you have added to your tank during your treatments, but, obviously, it is not enough. You mention that you are worried about harming your scaleless fish with the addition of salt. Don't be so worried. You are probably doing more harm by letting the parasite persist in your tank and periodically raising the water temperature in your effort to remove the parasite. Treat your tank with at least one tablespoon of salt per five gallons. Watch your fish. If they are doing well, then you can increase the dosage to 1 teaspoon per gallon. Continue the treatment for at least one week. If your scaleless fish are showing signs of distress, do an immediate water change to reduce the salinity, and move them to a quarantine tank for at least the duration of your treatment, but 21 days would be best. Watch them for signs of ich, and if they show it, an alternative treatment will need to be used.

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Abbey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:57 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Recurring Ich

Hello folks!

I'm new here and am glad to have found the group!

Anyway, I've been experiencing a perplexing issue in one of my
tanks. For about 2 months now, I have this recurring case of ich
that comes back once the temperature is lowered. I've been treating
it by increasing temps to 86-88 degrees F, sometimes for up to 2
weeks at a time. The salt I added was negligible since there are
scaleless fish in there.

As soon as the ich appears to be gone and I've waited a few days
without seeing any spots, I reduce the temperature and within a few
days it's back! So now the temp basically stays up permanently which
has resulted in many of my live plants dying and wilting.

Any ideas on what could be causing this? I haven't added any new
fish in a long while, the water parameters are ideal, and a weekly 20-
30% water change has taken place. So far I've lost my two albino
corydoras, but the other fish all appear to be fine if not slightly
under-weight (for whatever reason).

Any advice is appreciated!

Abbey
dsmfishgal@...



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25786 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Are you sure it's Ich?

What kind of fish do you have?

Have you tried any types of meds?

You do not state how long you take in raising and lower the temp so I wanted
to address this since it sounds like you may be reducing the temperature too
quickly. Under normal conditions with healthy fish, you shouldn't raise or
lower it more than 1-2F per day and with your fish already in a stressed
condition, 1F would be the most you should raise and lower it each day. If
you are lowering it too quickly, that additional stressor could reintroduce
the Ich parasite cycle. I've read some theories that the Ich parasite may
live dormant inside certain fish... like a typhoid Mary... and then certain
conditions cause them to become active. This is a possibility in your
situation.

What is your water source? Public utility or natural spring or well?

Lenny Vasbinder
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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Abbey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:57 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Recurring Ich

Hello folks!

I'm new here and am glad to have found the group!

Anyway, I've been experiencing a perplexing issue in one of my tanks. For
about 2 months now, I have this recurring case of ich that comes back once
the temperature is lowered. I've been treating it by increasing temps to
86-88 degrees F, sometimes for up to 2 weeks at a time. The salt I added was
negligible since there are scaleless fish in there.

As soon as the ich appears to be gone and I've waited a few days without
seeing any spots, I reduce the temperature and within a few days it's back!
So now the temp basically stays up permanently which has resulted in many of
my live plants dying and wilting.

Any ideas on what could be causing this? I haven't added any new fish in a
long while, the water parameters are ideal, and a weekly 20- 30% water
change has taken place. So far I've lost my two albino corydoras, but the
other fish all appear to be fine if not slightly under-weight (for whatever
reason).

Any advice is appreciated!

Abbey
dsmfishgal@... <mailto:dsmfishgal%40gmail.com>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25787 From: Rhonda Wilson Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Ghost Shrimp
Ghost shrimp are very easy to breed. If you have a heavily planted tank
and not too hungry fish you should probably have some of the babies
live. Some shrimp like the Amano's need to go through a larval stage in
salt water, but this isn't the case with the ghost shrimp, they will
carry the eggs and babies until they are ready to head off on their own,
mini versions of the parents, no special care required. I've had ghost
shrimp breeding in my tanks for years with no problems, they're kind of
like guppies of the shrimp world. Cherry shrimp, snowball shrimp and
some of the others that are more recently available are also very easy
to breed in the same way. I haven't ever bothered moving the mom shrimp,
but if your tank doesn't have a lot of hiding places for the babies or
your worried your fish might eat them all, then you should be able to
move her in to a maternity tank, just as you would with your fish. The
babies will eat the same thing the parents would eat, fish food, algae,
whatever is available to munch on.

Rhonda
naturalaquariums.com
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25788 From: bmp Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Ghost Shrimp
Thank you Rhonda for adding these words. I am not the
original poster of the question but am a new keeper of
these little shrimp. I bought some more yesterday
based on your recent column in TFH describing them as
good critters to help control algae. My 10 gallon
quarantine tank has more algae (the bright green kind
on the glass and fuzzy green on some young Java ferns
tied to an ornament) than I would like. I am hoping
the shrimp will be able to make a dent in it. If they
also do well enough to reproduce, I'll be happy for
that too!

Thanks for joining in,
Beverly

--- Rhonda Wilson <rhonda@...> wrote:

> Ghost shrimp are very easy to breed. If you have a
> heavily planted tank
> and not too hungry fish you should probably have
> some of the babies
> live. Some shrimp like the Amano's need to go
> through a larval stage in
> salt water, but this isn't the case with the ghost
> shrimp, they will
> carry the eggs and babies until they are ready to
> head off on their own,
> mini versions of the parents, no special care
> required. I've had ghost
> shrimp breeding in my tanks for years with no
> problems, they're kind of
> like guppies of the shrimp world. Cherry shrimp,
> snowball shrimp and
> some of the others that are more recently available
> are also very easy
> to breed in the same way. I haven't ever bothered
> moving the mom shrimp,
> but if your tank doesn't have a lot of hiding places
> for the babies or
> your worried your fish might eat them all, then you
> should be able to
> move her in to a maternity tank, just as you would
> with your fish. The
> babies will eat the same thing the parents would
> eat, fish food, algae,
> whatever is available to munch on.
>
> Rhonda
> naturalaquariums.com


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25789 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Gregg:

I tend to be a little biased towards Shelties as that is all we've had. My
Mom still has 3 Shelties, 2blue merle and a bi-black. I've been to shows
with my Mom and Dad (when he was alive and showing) and seen BCs. I am sure
if we would have gotten a BC instead of a Sheltie, we'd still have them.

Both animals are adorable and have a wonderful personality. Kudos for you
in being involved with rescue efforts.

Rob


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25790 From: Raymond Wetzel Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Hi Abbey, Just as has been already suggested, I too suspect the
possiblity that you may be decreasing the temperature too fast when
you do drop it. Barring that, I'd like to ask excactly what you mean
when reducing the temperature, by stating ". . . and I've waited a
few days without seeing any spots." What are "a few days"? Since
Icvh, at that temperature, has a life cycle of about 48 hours, you
need to wait at least another full day after that possibility of
seeing Ich ago -- or at least another 3 FULL DAYS after seeing the
last of the spots on your fish. Then too, look carefully, as you may
have missed some spots. So, while a full heat treatment can last
about 10 days (on average), the time element can vary depending on
when the last Ich generation fell off its fish host ready to emerge
again on that 8th day. This would decide if and when it were safe to
start lowering the temperature after the 10th day.

Be advised too, that there have been reports during the last few
years of an especially virulent strain of Ich circulating in the
hobby, said to withstand these temperatures, and temperatures up to
91 o F. Quite possibly (but still unknown) is that they came about
with the improper use of medications, allowing a mutation of it.
Luckily its still quite rare, but apparently exists Most tropical
species of fish will tolerature (under clean and well aerated
conditions) temperatures up to at least 92 o or slightly more, but
upwards of 96 o is to be avoided. I would not go above 92 o if at
all possible (although 93 o is still safe). As you might think,
these higher temperatures may put additional stress on the fish due
to decreased O2 levels, but will not be detrimental. Added care must
be used when lowering the temperature from this range after
treatment. Consider using this treatment, but only after the present
treatment fails,and then, keep a close eye on all your fish as to
their respiration (cooler water tropicals may not take as kindly to
this as others). Ray


>
> Hello folks!
>
> I'm new here and am glad to have found the group!
>
> Anyway, I've been experiencing a perplexing issue in one of my
> tanks. For about 2 months now, I have this recurring case of ich
> that comes back once the temperature is lowered. I've been
treating
> it by increasing temps to 86-88 degrees F, sometimes for up to 2
> weeks at a time. The salt I added was negligible since there are
> scaleless fish in there.
>
> As soon as the ich appears to be gone and I've waited a few days
> without seeing any spots, I reduce the temperature and within a few
> days it's back! So now the temp basically stays up permanently
which
> has resulted in many of my live plants dying and wilting.
>
> Any ideas on what could be causing this? I haven't added any new
> fish in a long while, the water parameters are ideal, and a weekly
20-
> 30% water change has taken place. So far I've lost my two albino
> corydoras, but the other fish all appear to be fine if not slightly
> under-weight (for whatever reason).
>
> Any advice is appreciated!
>
> Abbey
> dsmfishgal@...
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25791 From: rsteph49 Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Need Suggestions for cleaning crew
I've got a 20 gallon FOLR tank with about 17 lbs. of live rock and
argonite reef sand substrate (slightly more coarse than standard
sand, but not as bad as freshwater gravel. I currently have 3 fish in
the tank, which will likely be all the fish I'll add; they are 1
common clownfish and 2 flame firefish. I'm letting the new firefish
settle in still, but sometime in the near future I'm going to be
looking to start adding my "cleaning crew" - snails, crabs, shrimp,
etc.

So I was curious what kind of suggestions people might have as far as
type, and quantity. I was thinking of getting a skunk cleaner shrimp,
some kind of crab or starfish, and maybe a snail or two. This is my
first try at a saltwater tank, so I was hoping to get some ideas for
things that would live well with the fish I've got, and help me by
eating all the diatoms, fish waster, and leftover food in my tank.

I wasn't sure if starfish would thrive well with the substrate I've
got, or if they require a very fine sand bottom. I also wasn't sure
if any of these invertebrates required special lighting over and
above what I already have; I have an 18 inch, 15 watt, 50/50 bulb
from Zoo Med.

I've got a week or two still before I start adding anything else, so
I've got plenty of time for research. Any suggestions, or opinions
would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25792 From: bruce cohen Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Need Suggestions for cleaning crew
--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "rsteph49" <rsteph49@...> wrote:
> here is where I got mine and they have the clean up crews and will
make them to your aquarium size I have a 24 gal nano How ever I
would suggest you get some clown gobies. Mark at blue zoo aquatics
told me that I can have 11 fish+ assortment of lps and 2 different
cleaning crews. the web site is www.bluezooaquatics.com

> I've got a 20 gallon FOLR tank with about 17 lbs. of live rock and
> argonite reef sand substrate (slightly more coarse than standard
> sand, but not as bad as freshwater gravel. I currently have 3 fish
in
> the tank, which will likely be all the fish I'll add; they are 1
> common clownfish and 2 flame firefish. I'm letting the new
firefish
> settle in still, but sometime in the near future I'm going to be
> looking to start adding my "cleaning crew" - snails, crabs,
shrimp,
> etc.
>
> So I was curious what kind of suggestions people might have as far
as
> type, and quantity. I was thinking of getting a skunk cleaner
shrimp,
> some kind of crab or starfish, and maybe a snail or two. This is
my
> first try at a saltwater tank, so I was hoping to get some ideas
for
> things that would live well with the fish I've got, and help me by
> eating all the diatoms, fish waster, and leftover food in my tank.
>
> I wasn't sure if starfish would thrive well with the substrate
I've
> got, or if they require a very fine sand bottom. I also wasn't
sure
> if any of these invertebrates required special lighting over and
> above what I already have; I have an 18 inch, 15 watt, 50/50 bulb
> from Zoo Med.
>
> I've got a week or two still before I start adding anything else,
so
> I've got plenty of time for research. Any suggestions, or opinions
> would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25793 From: Kelly Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Kermit the Crab Died :(
I came home from work today and Kermit my fiddler crab was dead...just
as predicted from the freshwater. I was trying to get the other tank
set up for him, but WalMart doesn't sell sand this time of year and I
hadn't had a chance to go to Home Depot yet. I know I could have gone
to a pet store and gotten sand...but they would have charge me up the
you know what for sand, and I am between jobs.

I did get some salt at WalMart though, but when I looked at it, it
said it is salt for freshwater aquariums...now I'm all confused!
Would this salt have worked for Kermit? Should I put it in my other
freshwater aquariums? If so, how often?

I am so mad at the pet store...Kermit was just a sale to them...but he
was my pet and I really liked him. Next time I am in there, I will
tell them that they should educated people...especially when they
specifically ask if something can survive in freshwater like I had. I
will also let them know that I will take my business elsewhere from
now on. The reason I had gone to them is because they are locally
owned and I try to support local business, but I guess they lost this
customer!
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25794 From: Cory Walter Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Kermit the Crab Died :(
Kelly, I am so sorry for the loss of Kermit......and you are right.....these little animals and fish are just sales and dollar signs to so many, but we get attached to them, love them, nurture them and watch them grow up.....they can become family........don't get discouraged, though. You will get everything going great and will soon love this hobby and your new little pets.

Cory S. Walter

Have a wonderful, blessed day!



----- Original Message ----
From: Kelly <mrskjtracy@...>
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 9:58:14 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Kermit the Crab Died :(

I came home from work today and Kermit my fiddler crab was dead...just
as predicted from the freshwater. I was trying to get the other tank
set up for him, but WalMart doesn't sell sand this time of year and I
hadn't had a chance to go to Home Depot yet. I know I could have gone
to a pet store and gotten sand...but they would have charge me up the
you know what for sand, and I am between jobs.

I did get some salt at WalMart though, but when I looked at it, it
said it is salt for freshwater aquariums... now I'm all confused!
Would this salt have worked for Kermit? Should I put it in my other
freshwater aquariums? If so, how often?

I am so mad at the pet store...Kermit was just a sale to them...but he
was my pet and I really liked him. Next time I am in there, I will
tell them that they should educated people...especially when they
specifically ask if something can survive in freshwater like I had. I
will also let them know that I will take my business elsewhere from
now on. The reason I had gone to them is because they are locally
owned and I try to support local business, but I guess they lost this
customer!





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25795 From: Angela Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Kermit the Crab Died :(
You should contact the store manager and tell them what happened so that
their employees can be better educated and steps can be taken so that this
doesn't happen again. Chances are they will also refund you.. I know not the
point, but still..

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From: Kelly
Date: 2/8/2008 9:58:43 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SPAM] [AquaticLife] Kermit the Crab Died :(

I came home from work today and Kermit my fiddler crab was dead...just
as predicted from the freshwater. I was trying to get the other tank
set up for him, but WalMart doesn't sell sand this time of year and I
hadn't had a chance to go to Home Depot yet. I know I could have gone
to a pet store and gotten sand...but they would have charge me up the
you know what for sand, and I am between jobs.

I did get some salt at WalMart though, but when I looked at it, it
said it is salt for freshwater aquariums...now I'm all confused!
Would this salt have worked for Kermit? Should I put it in my other
freshwater aquariums? If so, how often?

I am so mad at the pet store...Kermit was just a sale to them...but he
was my pet and I really liked him. Next time I am in there, I will
tell them that they should educated people...especially when they
specifically ask if something can survive in freshwater like I had. I
will also let them know that I will take my business elsewhere from
now on. The reason I had gone to them is because they are locally
owned and I try to support local business, but I guess they lost this
customer!





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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25796 From: bmp Date: 2/8/2008
Subject: Re: Guppies and Kermit the Crab and the Border Wall
--- Gregg <greggb57@...> wrote:

> When I was growing up in Puerto Rico, guppies were
> found everywhere,
> including in tidal estuaries that opened into the
> Atlantic Ocean. They adapt
> well to strong brackish water if it is changed
> gradually. I never had to buy
> feeder guppies - all I had to do is go net a couple
> hundred.
>
> --
> Gregg Bender
> www.nvsr.org

Hi Gregg,

For a fishkeeper, that sounds idyllic! Here, in deep
south Texas, I'd like to go dipping in the Rio Grande
River or its smaller offshoots. I would love to see if
I can collect any Poecilia formosa (the molly with the
unique reproductive habits, profiled in Ted Colletti's
column in the Jan. 2008 TFH). However, with the
proposed Border Wall becoming more likely to happen,
it will effectively keep people like me (i.e. US
citizens) away from the river. People away from the
area may not realize it, but such a barrier will have
great impact on the local ecology, for the worse and
not for the better. And it is highly debatable how
effective it would be in keeping out illegal
immigrants. I will not turn this into a political
posting, I just wanted to say that I wish it was so
easy for everyone to go out and find wonderful fish in
the wild.

Cheers and so long,
Beverly in Texas

Peace, please!



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25797 From: Abbey Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Hi Lenny,

It's white spots on the fish, so I assume that's ich. I had it
another tank and treated it with high temps and salt and haven't had
anymore issues. Just this one particular tank...

This tank houses a school of dwarf neon rainbowfish (M. praecox),
kuhli loaches, two corydoras, and two other catfish.

No, I have not tried any meds for fear of damaging the established
bacterial colonies.

The location of this tank makes adjusting the temperature a little
tricky. It just tends to run high regularly (around 82-84 degrees F)
in that spot. Plus the heater seems to be defective. It stays on all
the time unless I unplug it. So, to answer your question...the
temperature tends to stay above 80 degrees F regardless. When I
increase it, I take it up to around 88, which takes a couple of days
usually. And I leave it at that for two weeks or so then unplug the
heater.

Public utility water source and again, not having any problems with
the other tanks that are all receiving the same treatment.

Abbey


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure it's Ich?
>
> What kind of fish do you have?
>
> Have you tried any types of meds?
>
> You do not state how long you take in raising and lower the temp so
I wanted
> to address this since it sounds like you may be reducing the
temperature too
> quickly. Under normal conditions with healthy fish, you shouldn't
raise or
> lower it more than 1-2F per day and with your fish already in a
stressed
> condition, 1F would be the most you should raise and lower it each
day. If
> you are lowering it too quickly, that additional stressor could
reintroduce
> the Ich parasite cycle. I've read some theories that the Ich
parasite may
> live dormant inside certain fish... like a typhoid Mary... and then
certain
> conditions cause them to become active. This is a possibility in
your
> situation.
>
> What is your water source? Public utility or natural spring or
well?
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25798 From: Abbey Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
Thanks guys for the advice and help!

I wait at least 4 days after seeing the spots gone before pulling the
plug on the heater. Haven't taken the temp up past 90 yet and would
really hate to do so since the plants are wilting.

I'll go ahead and try adding more salt. I've been using it sparingly
(less than 1 tbsp. per 5 gallons) because I read corydoras are
sensitive to high salinity (two have died so far for whatever reason)
and then the loaches are scaleless. But we'll give it a go and see
how they react.

I had read somewhere that ich generally doesn't survive at temps
above 86 degrees (recommending that I stay between 86-90), so that's
why I opted to use heat alone as the treatment in that tank. My
other tank is brackish so increasing the salt wasn't an issue.

Thanks again!

Abbey

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Raymond Wetzel"
<sevenspringss@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Abbey, Just as has been already suggested, I too suspect the
> possiblity that you may be decreasing the temperature too fast when
> you do drop it. Barring that, I'd like to ask excactly what you
mean
> when reducing the temperature, by stating ". . . and I've waited a
> few days without seeing any spots." What are "a few days"? Since
> Icvh, at that temperature, has a life cycle of about 48 hours, you
> need to wait at least another full day after that possibility of
> seeing Ich ago -- or at least another 3 FULL DAYS after seeing the
> last of the spots on your fish. Then too, look carefully, as you
may
> have missed some spots. So, while a full heat treatment can last
> about 10 days (on average), the time element can vary depending on
> when the last Ich generation fell off its fish host ready to emerge
> again on that 8th day. This would decide if and when it were safe
to
> start lowering the temperature after the 10th day.
>
> Be advised too, that there have been reports during the last few
> years of an especially virulent strain of Ich circulating in the
> hobby, said to withstand these temperatures, and temperatures up to
> 91 o F. Quite possibly (but still unknown) is that they came about
> with the improper use of medications, allowing a mutation of it.
> Luckily its still quite rare, but apparently exists Most tropical
> species of fish will tolerature (under clean and well aerated
> conditions) temperatures up to at least 92 o or slightly more, but
> upwards of 96 o is to be avoided. I would not go above 92 o if at
> all possible (although 93 o is still safe). As you might think,
> these higher temperatures may put additional stress on the fish due
> to decreased O2 levels, but will not be detrimental. Added care
must
> be used when lowering the temperature from this range after
> treatment. Consider using this treatment, but only after the
present
> treatment fails,and then, keep a close eye on all your fish as to
> their respiration (cooler water tropicals may not take as kindly to
> this as others). Ray
>
>
> >
> > Hello folks!
> >
> > I'm new here and am glad to have found the group!
> >
> > Anyway, I've been experiencing a perplexing issue in one of my
> > tanks. For about 2 months now, I have this recurring case of ich
> > that comes back once the temperature is lowered. I've been
> treating
> > it by increasing temps to 86-88 degrees F, sometimes for up to 2
> > weeks at a time. The salt I added was negligible since there are
> > scaleless fish in there.
> >
> > As soon as the ich appears to be gone and I've waited a few days
> > without seeing any spots, I reduce the temperature and within a
few
> > days it's back! So now the temp basically stays up permanently
> which
> > has resulted in many of my live plants dying and wilting.
> >
> > Any ideas on what could be causing this? I haven't added any new
> > fish in a long while, the water parameters are ideal, and a
weekly
> 20-
> > 30% water change has taken place. So far I've lost my two albino
> > corydoras, but the other fish all appear to be fine if not
slightly
> > under-weight (for whatever reason).
> >
> > Any advice is appreciated!
> >
> > Abbey
> > dsmfishgal@
> >
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25799 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Recurring Ich
I'm not sure if you saw \\Steve//'s reply but he pointed out that not using
salt or any meds and just using heat will not kill the Ich parasite. Heat
only speeds up it's lifecycle but with nothing to kill it (i.e.-Salt or
meds), it will keep coming back. I missed covering this point in my first
reply.

If your fish are intolerant of salt, then you need to find a medicine that
will work on all of your fish or you may have to separate the fish and use
different treatments for each species depending on their ability to handle
the treatment.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Abbey
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:35 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Recurring Ich

Hi Lenny,

It's white spots on the fish, so I assume that's ich. I had it another tank
and treated it with high temps and salt and haven't had anymore issues. Just
this one particular tank...

This tank houses a school of dwarf neon rainbowfish (M. praecox), kuhli
loaches, two corydoras, and two other catfish.

No, I have not tried any meds for fear of damaging the established bacterial
colonies.

The location of this tank makes adjusting the temperature a little tricky.
It just tends to run high regularly (around 82-84 degrees F) in that spot.
Plus the heater seems to be defective. It stays on all the time unless I
unplug it. So, to answer your question...the temperature tends to stay above
80 degrees F regardless. When I increase it, I take it up to around 88,
which takes a couple of days usually. And I leave it at that for two weeks
or so then unplug the heater.

Public utility water source and again, not having any problems with the
other tanks that are all receiving the same treatment.

Abbey

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Are you sure it's Ich?
>
> What kind of fish do you have?
>
> Have you tried any types of meds?
>
> You do not state how long you take in raising and lower the temp so
I wanted
> to address this since it sounds like you may be reducing the
temperature too
> quickly. Under normal conditions with healthy fish, you shouldn't
raise or
> lower it more than 1-2F per day and with your fish already in a
stressed
> condition, 1F would be the most you should raise and lower it each
day. If
> you are lowering it too quickly, that additional stressor could
reintroduce
> the Ich parasite cycle. I've read some theories that the Ich
parasite may
> live dormant inside certain fish... like a typhoid Mary... and then
certain
> conditions cause them to become active. This is a possibility in
your
> situation.
>
> What is your water source? Public utility or natural spring or
well?
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25800 From: Jenn Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Well, apparently the fish love them. I searched the tank and there
isn't a trace of them. I guess they had a feast! Now, if I could
find a permanent solution to my rams horn snail outbreaks. I will go
for months with out seeing any and then...boom...what seems like
millions of tiny little snails. I do have a yoyo loach, angelicus
botia and a red tail botia but they don't seem to be that interested.
Any suggestions? I plan on doing a thorough cleaning of my filters
to make sure there are no eggs and snails hiding out there. I remove
all that I find in my tank whenever I see them. Any one need some snails?

Jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25801 From: Jenn Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Not in regards to fish, but cool anyway...
I am totally excited! A friend of mine has hatched axolotls and in a
few months I am getting some!!! I am researching the best way to keep
and raise them but if anyone out there has any experience, please share!!


jenn
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25802 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Make sure you do not overclean your filters and put your tank into a
mini-cycle. If the tank is the right size and not fully stocked,
overcleaning the filters is not as much of an issue but in a fully stocked
non-planted tank, it will cause a mini-cycle.

If it's a planted tank, are you occasionally buying new plants? That's
usually where a new snail infestation comes from although I did notice that
the PetsMart is now keeping a couple of loaches in the plant tanks... except
for the ones with the mystery/apple snails.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jenn
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:42 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: Water Fleas

Well, apparently the fish love them. I searched the tank and there isn't a
trace of them. I guess they had a feast! Now, if I could find a permanent
solution to my rams horn snail outbreaks. I will go for months with out
seeing any and then...boom...what seems like millions of tiny little snails.
I do have a yoyo loach, angelicus botia and a red tail botia but they don't
seem to be that interested.
Any suggestions? I plan on doing a thorough cleaning of my filters to make
sure there are no eggs and snails hiding out there. I remove all that I find
in my tank whenever I see them. Any one need some snails?

Jenn

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25803 From: nice6669 Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: fillters
i have a a 125 gal tank with 4 oskars to jacs 2 key hole cickklid and
bout 6 diferent catfish i whant to know what is the best filter i can
buy 4 my tank
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25804 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
A couple of big canister filters, each rated for about a 300G tank and then
a 300G++ tank for the filters to go on to hold all of your fish.

But if you are going to just keep the 125G and re-home some of your fish,
then two canister filters, each rated for at least a 125G tank. When you
want to keep BIG fish, you should double the amount of filtration on a tank
to help with the waste and then when doing filter maintenance, you can
alternate each filter every week so that one filter system stays fully
cycled at all times.

You should also be doing several 25% PWC's a week with the amount of bioload
in your tank... unless they are all juvi fish and then you could do two a
week to keep the hormone levels down so the fish do not get stunted as bad.

You need to find out what kind of catfish you have.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

References:
Oscar - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html
Keyhole Cichlid -
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cleithracara%20_maronii.html
Catfish - ??? Depends on which kind. Some stay very small, others grow over
100 pounds.



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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:52 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] fillters

i have a a 125 gal tank with 4 oskars to jacs 2 key hole cickklid and bout 6
diferent catfish i whant to know what is the best filter i can buy 4 my tank

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25805 From: Davis Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: "Mini" reef ?
Hello all,

I have no experience with salt water aquariums!

Recently I saw a 29 G. "mini reef tank" . The so called Nano Cube or Bio Cube that come with lights and filter. Sounds simple and easy enough for a beginner :))

I am sure some of you have experience with this system. I'd like to hear from you the pro and con of these mini reef tanks before I get myself into ..big trouble :))

Thank you.

David / Texas


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25806 From: Iksnip@aol.com Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
Hi Guys,

I was wondering if someone could offer some advice. I am starting a 75g
tank with a rainforest theme. 2/3 of the tank underwater for fish and plants
and 1/3 of tank land based for lizards and others. Putting aside species
issues for a moment I had a different question. In conceptualizing this in my
mind, I really wanted to create a shore line of sorts. I wanted basically
"land" for the reptiles and wasn't quite sure how to do it. I visualize the back
of the tank lined with plants but some sort of shore line for the sides of
the tank. how would one do this? Am I even communicating this effectively?

Ken



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25807 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
That's a Paludarium and since you mention the Rain Forest, a Biotope may
interest you as well.

Here's a few sites that will give you more info and you can Google for a
lot more info if you run out of reading but the Mongabay site is going to
keep you pretty busy.

Paludariums -
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/46g.htm
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/paludarium/paludarium.html

Biotopes -
http://fish.mongabay.com/biotope.htm - scroll down a little to the South
American section with several links to various Biotope pages that will
detail the species of fish, plants, etc. native to that biotope.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com



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Behalf Of Iksnip@...
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:54 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Rain Forrests and Shore Lines

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if someone could offer some advice. I am starting a 75g tank
with a rainforest theme. 2/3 of the tank underwater for fish and plants and
1/3 of tank land based for lizards and others. Putting aside species issues
for a moment I had a different question. In conceptualizing this in my mind,
I really wanted to create a shore line of sorts. I wanted basically "land"
for the reptiles and wasn't quite sure how to do it. I visualize the back of
the tank lined with plants but some sort of shore line for the sides of the
tank. how would one do this? Am I even communicating this effectively?

Ken


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25808 From: iowakoi Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Spring pond care
Winter is almost over in some parts of the country. Koi and goldfish
are becoming more active but don't rush into feeding them until the
water temp is at least 55 degrees. Doing a good clean out in the Spring
will make the whole season go smoother. Failing to remove the gunk from
the winter give algae head start. I found this article Spring Pond Care
<http://www.richdeer3pondsupplies.com/site/page/938981> which reminds
us all how important getting a head start on the season is.

I bring all my fancies in over the winter and enjoy watching them in my
indoor pond. I'm also quarantining new fish until warmer weather. I
love pouring over water lily and iris descriptions while trying to pick
out new additions for this season. It's a great way to spend a snow day.

I can't wait for Spring, Gail at Richdeer3 Pond Supplies
<http://www.richdeer3pondsupplies.com/>






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25809 From: Shirley Reichard Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Should I sell my convicts?
This is why I have only male convicts. I'd love to see them mate and
take care of their fry, but I don't want to have to worry about what
to do with the fry! We have platies that do nothing but make babies
and hubby takes some of the older platies to the local pet store,
where they give them away.
I don't think the convicts are difficult to care for...I make water
changes about every two weeks, but sometimes let them go longer; they
seem pretty hardy to me. Their tank has a heater, and they seem to
like it warm -- 80 degrees F. When they're in the mating mood (moving
the gravel around for nesting and being very still and reclusive) they
don't eat much. Convicts are my favorites. If you like the convicts, I
suggest you either separate the male from the female, or get rid of
one or the other. Depending on your tank size, you may want to get
another of the same sex (i.e., if you keep the male, get another
male). They need a lot of room because they're very territorial.
Sounds to me as though you aren't up to maintaining any tropical fish
-- they do take more work than most people think. Reconsider what you
are able and willing to do -- for yourself and for the good of the
fish. If you think the convicts are too much for you, try to give them
away, or take the fry (and male or female or both) to your local pet
store and see if they'll take them. (Lesson learned: don't take on the
care of any animal -- aquatic or otherwise -- until you know what
you're in for and are willing to take on the responsibility.)

Shirley


--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "my_cycling" <my_cycling@...> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide what to do with my convict couple now that I have
> a new tank. I was planning to transfer them to it, but now I'm just
> not sure. I do like them. And I'm proud that I was able to sex them
> on the first try even though they're only about 3-6 months old and 1-
> 1.5 inches long. I'm just not sure I can deal with this much fry!! I
> had originally planned to give them away to anyone I could find who
> wanted them, like a free goldfish thing, but now that I know more
> about them and how much care they need, I'm not sure I feel good about
> that. Any suggestions?
>
> TIA,
>
> Cheryl
> :D
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25810 From: Christa Ciglan Date: 2/9/2008
Subject: Re: Rain Forrests and Shore Lines
Hey,

I don't know what kind of critters you want to put in
there but I will link you up with fire-bellied toads
http://www.gopetsamerica.com/small-animals/amphibians/oriental-fire-bellied-toad.aspx

They are amazingly hardy, they tolerate a wide range
of temps (no heater necessary) and unlike frogs they
aren't likely to drown.

They become remarkably tame and will take food right
out of your fingers. I had one that used to follow my
finger up and down his tank for absolute ages; far
better than Animal Planet!

You can put them in either a plaudarium or a vivarium
with a water source.

Make sure the lid you use fits tightly: these guys are
talented escape artists.

Would you believe they can live up to 16 years in
captivity? I have had my two for about 4 years now.
The only drawback with them is that they are a little
bit "poopy" but then hey everybody poops right? You
don't need to feed them more often than once a week;
they are prone to obesity because they eat like pigs.

I can't imagine what kind of reptile species you had
in mind; all the ones I can think of are really quite
large...?

Christa
--- Iksnip@... wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I was wondering if someone could offer some advice.
> I am starting a 75g
> tank with a rainforest theme. 2/3 of the tank
> underwater for fish and plants
> and 1/3 of tank land based for lizards and others.
> Putting aside species
> issues for a moment I had a different question. In
> conceptualizing this in my
> mind, I really wanted to create a shore line of
> sorts. I wanted basically
> "land" for the reptiles and wasn't quite sure how to
> do it. I visualize the back
> of the tank lined with plants but some sort of shore
> line for the sides of
> the tank. how would one do this? Am I even
> communicating this effectively?
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all
> time on AOL Music.
>
(http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025
> 48)
>
>
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> removed]
>
>



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25811 From: Ron Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
Please don't take this as advise. More of a discussion question.
Reason is I'm thinking about a 75 gal up to 125 gal tank.

My filters I'm thinking about are eheim 2215's. Two of them for a 75. Or
three of them for a 125.

Now heres the real thinking. I read an article about using filtering the
bottom of the tank with many returns at the bottom. Said it did good in
helping the tank to stay clean. So... what about in a 75 gal taking two nice
big sponge inputs at the bottom and outputting at the top. Then at the top
with a input that could also serve as a skimmer, outputting at the several
bottom outputs.

Was wondering if a double sponge return with one sticking above the surface
would work good as a surface skimmer?

I also had a thought about a separate tank. Thinking about one of those high
square ones as a filter tank. Have it heavily planted, heavily lighted,
heavy gravel and earth. Then having siphon pipes back to the main tank. With
a pump pumping from the main tank to the filter tank. Only problem is having
a bubble switch shut off for the pump in case the level gets too high in the
filter tank. Could even use this tank as a breeder tank for guppies? For
food for some cichlids?

Ron Pyle
Sioux Falls, SD
When being chased by a bear: You don't have to outrun the bear. You just
have to outrun the other guy.
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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:12 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fillters

A couple of big canister filters, each rated for about a 300G tank and then
a 300G++ tank for the filters to go on to hold all of your fish.

But if you are going to just keep the 125G and re-home some of your fish,
then two canister filters, each rated for at least a 125G tank. When you
want to keep BIG fish, you should double the amount of filtration on a tank
to help with the waste and then when doing filter maintenance, you can
alternate each filter every week so that one filter system stays fully
cycled at all times.

You should also be doing several 25% PWC's a week with the amount of bioload
in your tank... unless they are all juvi fish and then you could do two a
week to keep the hormone levels down so the fish do not get stunted as bad.

You need to find out what kind of catfish you have.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

References:
Oscar - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html
Keyhole Cichlid -
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cleithracara%20_maronii.html
Catfish - ??? Depends on which kind. Some stay very small, others grow over
100 pounds.



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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:52 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] fillters

i have a a 125 gal tank with 4 oskars to jacs 2 key hole cickklid and bout 6
diferent catfish i whant to know what is the best filter i can buy 4 my tank

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25812 From: Gregg Bender Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Put a few plecostomus catfish in there and you'll never see the snails again
Snails are like pleco candy!

  
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25813 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: fillters
Just make sure your sponges are inside some kind of container with the input
into the sponge filter coming from the top and the outflow going back out
the top... so when you have to clean the filter and pick it up out of the
tank, it won't release all of the detritus back into your tank. Do a Google
search on DIY Aquarium Filter Systems and you'll find many more ideas.

The "separate tank" is called a sump tank. Do a Google on those also and
you'll find many more ideas.

I was going to use an overflow box on my main tank going down into the sump
tank and then my existing canister filter to pump the water back up to the
main tank. By putting the intake to the canister only an inch or two under
the water line of the sump tank, it would never be able to overflow the main
tank in the even the overflow box lost it's siphon. This is the overflow
box I was considering since it is rated for 300gph so it would be able to
easily keep up with my canister filter.
http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem.aspx?idproduct=CR1511 There may be
one flaw in my simple system that I haven't found an answer to. I may have
to have the sump tank higher than the canister since it appears that
canister filters rely on the water coming down into them to assist in
"pushing" the water going back up into the tank. This is called "head
pressure" and the pumps in most filter systems do not have much head
pressure which is why folks use external pumps for setting up sump systems.

On a side note... are you any relation to Gomer? ;-) Hopefully you are old
enough to catch that one!

And on a second side note, your little bear joke in your sig reminds me of a
lesson I learned while taking scuba diving lessons a long time ago. While
discussing the various uses of a knife while diving, one of my classmates
asked about using it to stab a shark in the event of an attack and my
instructor said the best use of your knife in a shark attack would be to
stab your dive buddy and swim the other way. LOL

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Ron
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:08 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fillters

Please don't take this as advise. More of a discussion question.
Reason is I'm thinking about a 75 gal up to 125 gal tank.

My filters I'm thinking about are eheim 2215's. Two of them for a 75. Or
three of them for a 125.

Now heres the real thinking. I read an article about using filtering the
bottom of the tank with many returns at the bottom. Said it did good in
helping the tank to stay clean. So... what about in a 75 gal taking two nice
big sponge inputs at the bottom and outputting at the top. Then at the top
with a input that could also serve as a skimmer, outputting at the several
bottom outputs.

Was wondering if a double sponge return with one sticking above the surface
would work good as a surface skimmer?

I also had a thought about a separate tank. Thinking about one of those high
square ones as a filter tank. Have it heavily planted, heavily lighted,
heavy gravel and earth. Then having siphon pipes back to the main tank. With
a pump pumping from the main tank to the filter tank. Only problem is having
a bubble switch shut off for the pump in case the level gets too high in the
filter tank. Could even use this tank as a breeder tank for guppies? For
food for some cichlids?

Ron Pyle
Sioux Falls, SD
When being chased by a bear: You don't have to outrun the bear. You just
have to outrun the other guy.
-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:12 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] fillters

A couple of big canister filters, each rated for about a 300G tank and then
a 300G++ tank for the filters to go on to hold all of your fish.

But if you are going to just keep the 125G and re-home some of your fish,
then two canister filters, each rated for at least a 125G tank. When you
want to keep BIG fish, you should double the amount of filtration on a tank
to help with the waste and then when doing filter maintenance, you can
alternate each filter every week so that one filter system stays fully
cycled at all times.

You should also be doing several 25% PWC's a week with the amount of bioload
in your tank... unless they are all juvi fish and then you could do two a
week to keep the hormone levels down so the fish do not get stunted as bad.

You need to find out what kind of catfish you have.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

References:
Oscar - http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Astronotus_ocellatus.html
Keyhole Cichlid -
http://fish.mongabay.com/species/Cleithracara%20_maronii.html
Catfish - ??? Depends on which kind. Some stay very small, others grow over
100 pounds.



-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of nice6669
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:52 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] fillters

i have a a 125 gal tank with 4 oskars to jacs 2 key hole cickklid and bout 6
diferent catfish i whant to know what is the best filter i can buy 4 my tank


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25814 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Newbie
Hi my name is Heather and this is my very first tank. I have had my fish for about 3 months now. I have two rather big tinfoils. 4 fancy tail danios (which were all supposed to be female) 3 of which are pregnant. 2 bright yellow, orange and black platys, 2 plecos, 1 beautiful male swordfish, and 1 tiny golden bottom feeder. They are all doing great but I do have a question about my 3 pregnant danios. I have a tall 20 gallon tank and three breeder baskets would take up alot of room. I have been told big plants where the babies could hide would keep them safe so really my main question is should I buy another 20 or even a 10 gallon tank to put them in? I dont kow how many baby fish they will each have but Im concerned that it may be too much for my 20 gallon and also that they may not make it in there without being eaten. Any advice would be wonderful.

Thanx~
Heather

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25815 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
If you have four females, although they may be eggbound and lay eggs, they
will not be fertilized so there is no need to worry. What kind of danios
are they? Zebra Danio's are common but there are others as well. With only
20G to deal with, you would best let nature take it's course and let the
other fish eat any eggs in the event you do have a male. If any survive,
then you can work on handling the MTS (multiple tank syndrome) that I see
you are thinking about already. ;-) You should also fill out the school to
at least six danios. Schooling fish need to be kept in schools or they get
stressed out which will lead to health issues. Here's a couple of good
profiles on Zebra Danio's and other danios as well. They will explain how
to sex your danios. http://fish.mongabay.com/danios.htm
http://www.fishforever.co.uk/zebradanios.html
http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/cyprinids/zebradanio.htm
l

The two pleco's need to be returned as they get far too large for a 20G
Tall. Each common pleco needs at least 75G since they grow to over 18".
Some stores do have a program where they will let you return the pleco's
every six months for a new juvi and hopefully your store will do this. You
do not need two of them for a 20G tank. A single pleco can easily handle a
20G tank but once again, it should not stay in a 20G for more than six
months or it would start to suffer stunting. If you want to keep a pleco
for long term, then you would need to get a dwarf species which are much
more expensive than the common pleco's that you likely have right now. But
even the dwarf's grow to around 6" so even that would be crowded in a 20G
tall tank.

While you are at Mongabay's site, you should look up the profiles on your
other fish and you need to identify the "golden bottom feeder". Ask the
store what it is that you bought. It's not good to buy fish that you do not
know what they are as each species has different needs and you should know
that they will be OK in your tank before you buy them. DO NOT TRUST THE
STORES ADVICE UNTIL YOU HAVE LEARNED ENOUGH OUT HERE WITH US... and then you
won't need there oftentimes bad advice. Here is the page on live bearers
which should cover your platys and swordtail.
http://fish.mongabay.com/poeciliidae.htm

After you do all of that reading, go to my blog and click on my article "A
to Z of fish keeping" and take one or both of the FREE online tutorials
(listed near the top of that page) which will walk you through all of the
basics of fish keeping. Come back out here and ask lots of questions that
you should have.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:31 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Hi my name is Heather and this is my very first tank. I have had my fish for
about 3 months now. I have two rather big tinfoils. 4 fancy tail danios
(which were all supposed to be female) 3 of which are pregnant. 2 bright
yellow, orange and black platys, 2 plecos, 1 beautiful male swordfish, and 1
tiny golden bottom feeder. They are all doing great but I do have a question
about my 3 pregnant danios. I have a tall 20 gallon tank and three breeder
baskets would take up alot of room. I have been told big plants where the
babies could hide would keep them safe so really my main question is should
I buy another 20 or even a 10 gallon tank to put them in? I dont kow how
many baby fish they will each have but Im concerned that it may be too much
for my 20 gallon and also that they may not make it in there without being
eaten. Any advice would be wonderful.

Thanx~
Heather


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25816 From: �H3ATH3R� Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
They look just like zebra danios but with fancier tails..long and flowing is a good way to put it. Their stripes when they are just right in the light look blue. One of them is very fancy with very long and flowing fins and tail..beautiful..I think he may be a male although I chose them all from a tank at the fish guys house that was supposed to be all female. All four of them are still very little. I will get two more..I knew they were schooling fish (mike who is my fish guy did tell me that) that is why I chose 4 instead of two. Can I get any kind of danios when I choose the other two or do they need to be the same kind?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:47 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

If you have four females, although they may be eggbound and lay eggs, they
will not be fertilized so there is no need to worry. What kind of danios
are they?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25817 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
OK. Typically, the males are the prettiest... just like most of the animal
kingdom... except for us humans. LOL Danio's are not livebearers so the
females will have bigger bellies in general as you would have seen in the
pictures in those profiles but they can get a little bigger right before
they are going to lay eggs. The male may or may not fertilize them.

I had "normal" ZD's and the males are more golden in color and the females
are more white. I'm not sure if the fancy tailed varieties keep these
traits. When you get two more, get either females or no more than one more
male. It's best to have at least two females for every male so the males do
not chase a single female around too much when mating time comes along.
Another lucky thing for males in the rest of the animal kingdom. LOL I'm
not sure of any other danios that are similar in size or appearance to the
zebra danio so I'm not sure if another species will school with them
properly. You could get "normal" ZD's instead of the fancies and they
should be OK but a normal male would be much faster than a fancy female and
could harass her too much during the mating periods. It would be best to
get only fancy males since you have fancy females.

Tell Mike, your fish guy, that he should know better than to sell you any
common pleco's for a 20G tank. Tell him I said so! Find out what your
unknown fish is and work on filling out the schools of the fish you have, if
needed. Remember to test your water daily for about two weeks after adding
new fish and to do PWC's (partial water changes) whenever you get an ammonia
or nitrite reading over 0.5ppm.

When you reply in the future, try not to snip the thread like you did this
time. It makes it harder for someone to remember everything that is going
on in your tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com




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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:07 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

They look just like zebra danios but with fancier tails..long and flowing is
a good way to put it. Their stripes when they are just right in the light
look blue. One of them is very fancy with very long and flowing fins and
tail..beautiful..I think he may be a male although I chose them all from a
tank at the fish guys house that was supposed to be all female. All four of
them are still very little. I will get two more..I knew they were schooling
fish (mike who is my fish guy did tell me that) that is why I chose 4
instead of two. Can I get any kind of danios when I choose the other two or
do they need to be the same kind?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:47 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

If you have four females, although they may be eggbound and lay eggs, they
will not be fertilized so there is no need to worry. What kind of danios are
they?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25818 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
The email should not have been cut off at all its set to keep all of the email when I send. Who knows.
I actually have two small plecos. Is that bad? Mike is much muich older and has been in the business/hobby of fish for 35 years and he has gorgeous very healthy fish but Im pretty sure he cannot hear well because he never really answers the questions I ask. Im very curious and ask ALOT of questions but have rarely gotten a satisfactory answer from him, half the time he doesnt even seem to hear me. So I do not get th answers I need. He didnt tell me that my male swordtail could mate with my female platys either, I found everything I needed to know or was curious about here on the net. My attempt since this was my first tank was to keep it small and get fish that were not going to make more fish..lol. Thanks Lenny for the info..its very helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:39 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

OK. Typically, the males are the prettiest... just like most of the animal
kingdom... except for us humans. LOL Danio's are not livebearers so the
females will have bigger bellies in general as you would have seen in the
pictures in those profiles but they can get a little bigger right before
they are going to lay eggs. The male may or may not fertilize them.

I had "normal" ZD's and the males are more golden in color and the females
are more white. I'm not sure if the fancy tailed varieties keep these
traits. When you get two more, get either females or no more than one more
male. It's best to have at least two females for every male so the males do
not chase a single female around too much when mating time comes along.
Another lucky thing for males in the rest of the animal kingdom. LOL I'm
not sure of any other danios that are similar in size or appearance to the
zebra danio so I'm not sure if another species will school with them
properly. You could get "normal" ZD's instead of the fancies and they
should be OK but a normal male would be much faster than a fancy female and
could harass her too much during the mating periods. It would be best to
get only fancy males since you have fancy females.

Tell Mike, your fish guy, that he should know better than to sell you any
common pleco's for a 20G tank. Tell him I said so! Find out what your
unknown fish is and work on filling out the schools of the fish you have, if
needed. Remember to test your water daily for about two weeks after adding
new fish and to do PWC's (partial water changes) whenever you get an ammonia
or nitrite reading over 0.5ppm.

When you reply in the future, try not to snip the thread like you did this
time. It makes it harder for someone to remember everything that is going
on in your tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:07 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

They look just like zebra danios but with fancier tails..long and flowing is
a good way to put it. Their stripes when they are just right in the light
look blue. One of them is very fancy with very long and flowing fins and
tail..beautiful..I think he may be a male although I chose them all from a
tank at the fish guys house that was supposed to be all female. All four of
them are still very little. I will get two more..I knew they were schooling
fish (mike who is my fish guy did tell me that) that is why I chose 4
instead of two. Can I get any kind of danios when I choose the other two or
do they need to be the same kind?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:47 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

If you have four females, although they may be eggbound and lay eggs, they
will not be fertilized so there is no need to worry. What kind of danios are
they?

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25819 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Like I said in my earlier reply, if the plecos are common plecos... which
they likely are since commons are the most common... they need much larger
homes... 75G each. They can do OK in your 20G tank for a short period of
time but if you keep them more than six months, they will likely begin to
get stunted which will affect their health and lifespan. They should live
for nearly 20 years and get really BIG. I rescued a common pleco out of a
10G tank back in June 2005. He was only 4" long after two years in that
tank. Fortunately, plecos grow a little each year for many years so after I
moved him to my 65G, he grew to 10" in 18 months and then I had to rehome
him in May 2007. I was planning a 150G tank but Hurricane Katrina hit back
in 2005 and changed all of my tank plans. My largest tank is my 65G and my
new place isn't big enough for a BIG tank. He now lives in a 200G tank with
a few cichlids and is still growing but he may never grow to full size or
live his full lifespan due to being in that undersized tank for those first
two years.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:01 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

The email should not have been cut off at all its set to keep all of the
email when I send. Who knows.
I actually have two small plecos. Is that bad? Mike is much muich older and
has been in the business/hobby of fish for 35 years and he has gorgeous very
healthy fish but Im pretty sure he cannot hear well because he never really
answers the questions I ask. Im very curious and ask ALOT of questions but
have rarely gotten a satisfactory answer from him, half the time he doesnt
even seem to hear me. So I do not get th answers I need. He didnt tell me
that my male swordtail could mate with my female platys either, I found
everything I needed to know or was curious about here on the net. My attempt
since this was my first tank was to keep it small and get fish that were not
going to make more fish..lol. Thanks Lenny for the info..its very helpful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:39 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

OK. Typically, the males are the prettiest... just like most of the animal
kingdom... except for us humans. LOL Danio's are not livebearers so the
females will have bigger bellies in general as you would have seen in the
pictures in those profiles but they can get a little bigger right before
they are going to lay eggs. The male may or may not fertilize them.

I had "normal" ZD's and the males are more golden in color and the females
are more white. I'm not sure if the fancy tailed varieties keep these
traits. When you get two more, get either females or no more than one more
male. It's best to have at least two females for every male so the males do
not chase a single female around too much when mating time comes along.
Another lucky thing for males in the rest of the animal kingdom. LOL I'm not
sure of any other danios that are similar in size or appearance to the zebra
danio so I'm not sure if another species will school with them properly. You
could get "normal" ZD's instead of the fancies and they should be OK but a
normal male would be much faster than a fancy female and could harass her
too much during the mating periods. It would be best to get only fancy males
since you have fancy females.

Tell Mike, your fish guy, that he should know better than to sell you any
common pleco's for a 20G tank. Tell him I said so! Find out what your
unknown fish is and work on filling out the schools of the fish you have, if
needed. Remember to test your water daily for about two weeks after adding
new fish and to do PWC's (partial water changes) whenever you get an ammonia
or nitrite reading over 0.5ppm.

When you reply in the future, try not to snip the thread like you did this
time. It makes it harder for someone to remember everything that is going on
in your tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

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[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:07 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

They look just like zebra danios but with fancier tails..long and flowing is
a good way to put it. Their stripes when they are just right in the light
look blue. One of them is very fancy with very long and flowing fins and
tail..beautiful..I think he may be a male although I chose them all from a
tank at the fish guys house that was supposed to be all female. All four of
them are still very little. I will get two more..I knew they were schooling
fish (mike who is my fish guy did tell me that) that is why I chose 4
instead of two. Can I get any kind of danios when I choose the other two or
do they need to be the same kind?

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> <mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:47 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

If you have four females, although they may be eggbound and lay eggs, they
will not be fertilized so there is no need to worry. What kind of danios are
they?

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25820 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Yeah I had no idea. He called them clown plecos..they are a brownish color with black spots. They have gotten bigger. So have my tinfoils...they started out fairly small and have tripled in size in just a few months. Looks like I may need a bigger tank just for the fish I already have.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:18 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Like I said in my earlier reply, if the plecos are common plecos... which
they likely are since commons are the most common... they need much larger
homes... 75G each. They can do OK in your 20G tank for a short period of
time but if you keep them more than six months, they will likely begin to
get stunted which will affect their health and lifespan. They should live
for nearly 20 years and get really BIG. I rescued a common pleco out of a
10G tank back in June 2005. He was only 4" long after two years in that
tank. Fortunately, plecos grow a little each year for many years so after I
moved him to my 65G, he grew to 10" in 18 months and then I had to rehome
him in May 2007. I was planning a 150G tank but Hurricane Katrina hit back
in 2005 and changed all of my tank plans. My largest tank is my 65G and my
new place isn't big enough for a BIG tank. He now lives in a 200G tank with
a few cichlids and is still growing but he may never grow to full size or
live his full lifespan due to being in that undersized tank for those first
two years.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

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Behalf Of ¤H3ATH

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25821 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/10/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
Well, Clown Pleco's are one of the dwarf species but your description sounds
more like a common pleco. Here's two profiles on the Clown Pleco
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile80.html

http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/catfish/clownplec.html
so you can compare the photos of a Clown Pleco to yours. They do change
quite a bit as they mature. Like most pleco's, they can be aggressive to
conspecifics (the same species) which is another reason that you might only
want to keep one of them if you indeed have clown pleco's.

Yes, you will be needing a larger tank for the fish you already have...
especially if you choose to keep both pleco's, whether they are commons or
clowns.

I noticed this email got snipped also. Are you posting via email or
directly on the website?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:34 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Yeah I had no idea. He called them clown plecos..they are a brownish color
with black spots. They have gotten bigger. So have my tinfoils...they
started out fairly small and have tripled in size in just a few months.
Looks like I may need a bigger tank just for the fish I already have.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:18 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Like I said in my earlier reply, if the plecos are common plecos... which
they likely are since commons are the most common... they need much larger
homes... 75G each. They can do OK in your 20G tank for a short period of
time but if you keep them more than six months, they will likely begin to
get stunted which will affect their health and lifespan. They should live
for nearly 20 years and get really BIG. I rescued a common pleco out of a
10G tank back in June 2005. He was only 4" long after two years in that
tank. Fortunately, plecos grow a little each year for many years so after I
moved him to my 65G, he grew to 10" in 18 months and then I had to rehome
him in May 2007. I was planning a 150G tank but Hurricane Katrina hit back
in 2005 and changed all of my tank plans. My largest tank is my 65G and my
new place isn't big enough for a BIG tank. He now lives in a 200G tank with
a few cichlids and is still growing but he may never grow to full size or
live his full lifespan due to being in that undersized tank for those first
two years.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25822 From: Robert Mazur Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Betta feeding
Have a real quick question about feeding bettas. My betta resides in a
1.5gal tank on my desk at work. I typically feed him in the morning, around
8:00am and again around 5:00pm in the evening. While I work 2 out of 4
saturdays a month, there are 2 saturdays a month along with the occasional 3
or 4 day weekend. What is the best means of feeding him on those longer
weekends and also, what is the best way to feed him on Sundays?

Thanks

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happen, and there are people who wonder what happened. To be successful, you
need to be a person who makes things happen..
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25823 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie
They are definitely not clown plecos. Mine have spots not stripes. Ive been posting via email. I reset my options so maybe this time it will all come through.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:58 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Well, Clown Pleco's are one of the dwarf species but your description sounds
more like a common pleco. Here's two profiles on the Clown Pleco
http://badmanstropicalfish.com/profiles/profile80.html

http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/profiles/freshwater/catfish/clownplec.html
so you can compare the photos of a Clown Pleco to yours. They do change
quite a bit as they mature. Like most pleco's, they can be aggressive to
conspecifics (the same species) which is another reason that you might only
want to keep one of them if you indeed have clown pleco's.

Yes, you will be needing a larger tank for the fish you already have...
especially if you choose to keep both pleco's, whether they are commons or
clowns.

I noticed this email got snipped also. Are you posting via email or
directly on the website?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of ¤H3ATH3R¤
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:34 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Yeah I had no idea. He called them clown plecos..they are a brownish color
with black spots. They have gotten bigger. So have my tinfoils...they
started out fairly small and have tripled in size in just a few months.
Looks like I may need a bigger tank just for the fish I already have.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny <GoldLenny@...
<mailto:GoldLenny%40gmail.com> >
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:18 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Newbie

Like I said in my earlier reply, if the plecos are common plecos... which
they likely are since commons are the most common... they need much larger
homes... 75G each. They can do OK in your 20G tank for a short period of
time but if you keep them more than six months, they will likely begin to
get stunted which will affect their health and lifespan. They should live
for nearly 20 years and get really BIG. I rescued a common pleco out of a
10G tank back in June 2005. He was only 4" long after two years in that
tank. Fortunately, plecos grow a little each year for many years so after I
moved him to my 65G, he grew to 10" in 18 months and then I had to rehome
him in May 2007. I was planning a 150G tank but Hurricane Katrina hit back
in 2005 and changed all of my tank plans. My largest tank is my 65G and my
new place isn't big enough for a BIG tank. He now lives in a 200G tank with
a few cichlids and is still growing but he may never grow to full size or
live his full lifespan due to being in that undersized tank for those first
two years.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25824 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Betta feeding
He can easily go a weekend without eating since you are feeding him
regularly during the week. On a four day weekend, you would still be OK but
if you don't want him to go that long without a bite to eat, then you could
have a prepared amount of food set aside and have one of your co-workers
drop it in. I would only have the co-worker feed him one time, maybe on the
3rd day of your four day weekend. Then he wouldn't eat the next day but
then you would be back the day after so he would go two days without food
and then get fed and then go one day without food. It would be a good idea
to do a PWC before you go on these four day weekends.

Do you have any live plants in the tank? Adding a few stalks of anacharis
or other easy to grow plants would also give the Betta something to snack on
if it gets really hungry... although they are carnivores, they'll nibble on
plants if hungry. The live plants will also help with water quality issues
in your small tank.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


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From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robert Mazur
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:58 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Betta feeding

Have a real quick question about feeding bettas. My betta resides in a
1.5gal tank on my desk at work. I typically feed him in the morning, around
8:00am and again around 5:00pm in the evening. While I work 2 out of 4
saturdays a month, there are 2 saturdays a month along with the occasional 3
or 4 day weekend. What is the best means of feeding him on those longer
weekends and also, what is the best way to feed him on Sundays?

Thanks

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25825 From: bmp Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie/Danios
Welcome to you Heather! I'm sure the members who have
experience with danio spawns will be happy to help
you. I have not had such experience so I'm sorry I
don't have any advice to offer. But I don't think you
can really call egglayers 'pregnant' since the eggs
they carry are not yet fertilized by the males so
there are no embryos developing.

Best regards,
Beverly

--- ¤H3ATH3R¤ <lilredhd1@...> wrote:

> Hi my name is Heather and this is my very first
> tank. I have had my fish for about 3 months now. I
> have ... 4 fancy tail danios
> (which were all supposed to be female) 3 of which
> are pregnant. ...I do have a question about my 3
pregnant danios.



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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25826 From: ¤H3ATH3R¤ Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: Newbie/Betty
Hi and thanks for the welcome betty.

-----Original Message-----
From: bmp <bmpardue@...>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:18 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Newbie/Danios



Welcome to you Heather! I'm sure the members who have
experience with danio spawns will be happy to help
you. I have not had such experience so I'm sorry I
don't have any advice to offer. But I don't think you
can really call egglayers 'pregnant' since the eggs
they carry are not yet fertilized by the males so
there are no embryos developing.

Best regards,
Beverly

--- ¤H3ATH3R¤ <lilredhd1@...> wrote:

> Hi my name is Heather and this is my very first
> tank. I have had my fish for about 3 months now. I
> have ... 4 fancy tail danios
> (which were all supposed to be female) 3 of which
> are pregnant. ...I do have a question about my 3
pregnant danios.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25827 From: runescapeboy07 Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: little help
Well I'm about to get a tadpole a ordered in the mail a few weeks ago
and I have some questions.

1.) Is there any particular care that my tadpole needs?
2.) Other than frozen cabbage(already am going to feed it that) what
else to tadpoles like?
3.) How often should I clean its habitat?
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25828 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/11/2008
Subject: Re: little help
What kind of tadpole? A toad or frog and what species of toad or frog?

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of runescapeboy07
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:55 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] little help

Well I'm about to get a tadpole a ordered in the mail a few weeks ago and I
have some questions.

1.) Is there any particular care that my tadpole needs?
2.) Other than frozen cabbage(already am going to feed it that) what else to
tadpoles like?
3.) How often should I clean its habitat?


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25829 From: Lynn Francis Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: little help
We recently went through the tadpole craze with the kids. Ours were a
mixture of wild Georgia Peepers and generic toads. Okay, I'm sure they
aren't "generic" but I don't know what they are other than a plain old
toad. LOL

We randomly fed ours things like lettuce, sliced zuchinni, quick 1min
rolled oats (Quaker oatmeal stuff), and of course some of the tadpole
and frog food from the petstore. Once ours changed to frogs we let
them go.

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "runescapeboy07"
<runescapeboy07@...> wrote:
>
> Well I'm about to get a tadpole a ordered in the mail a few weeks
ago
> and I have some questions.
>
> 1.) Is there any particular care that my tadpole needs?
> 2.) Other than frozen cabbage(already am going to feed it that) what
> else to tadpoles like?
> 3.) How often should I clean its habitat?
>
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25830 From: Lynn Francis Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: "Mini" reef ?
David,
There must be something in the water because I picked up a used 24gal
Nano-cube yesterday with the thoughts of starting a small salt tank.
I'm starting to do the reading and research now. I would like to do
a mini reef, but it could easily become a "Nemo and Dori" tank for
the kids enjoyment, but I hope not. ;-)

I can't help much at this point, but here's what I know already. I
picked it up because it was used, a pretty good price, and very local
to me. If I had to buy a new one, not sure if I would actually go
this route. My initial impression is it looks nice, but cleaning the
foam filter looks like it will be a bit of a mess because it fits
very tightly into the very back compartment.

It doesn't have any kind of skimmer and doesn't have much room to add
one. There is a "skimmer" comb looking thing you can attach to the
intake and it's supposed to help remove skum from the top of the
water by making the topmost water fall into the filter chamber.
Seems like it would help, but it's still not really a skimmer. I'm
guessing that as long as it's not over populated maybe the skimmer
isn't as important. My jury is still out on that one.

The lid doesn't seem to come off very easily and when I take it off,
I have the fear of breaking the plastic connectors, but hasn't
happened yet, but I can see it as a potential problem.

On the plus side, it looks very nice, the two ventilation fans run
very quite, and it puts out a good deal of light but would never be
considered overly bright.

That's all I've got so far. Hope something there helps.




--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, Davis <davisplumeria@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I have no experience with salt water aquariums!
>
> Recently I saw a 29 G. "mini reef tank" . The so called Nano Cube
or Bio Cube that come with lights and filter. Sounds simple and easy
enough for a beginner :))
>
> I am sure some of you have experience with this system. I'd like to
hear from you the pro and con of these mini reef tanks before I get
myself into ..big trouble :))
>
> Thank you.
>
> David / Texas
>
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25832 From: Becky Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: New here
I have only been in the aquarium hobby since mid December. I have so
many questions about what to do to improve my tank to make it a
healthy, heavily planted natural environment for my fishies.

I have had a planted 28 gallon tank up and running since mid
December. I have the following fish

2 dwarf gourami
5 neon tetra
1 leopard pleco
1 albino red-fin shark
1 female swordtail
2 black molly (one is the only survivor of the other's batch of fry_
1 dalmation molly
1 red-wag platy

Pond snails have overtaken my tank and a few of my plants look
hideous.

As best I can remember these are the plants in my tank:

Wisteria- still looking great
Amazon Sword - looks good
Ludwigia- the snails favorite, or so it seems, looks hideous!!!
Micro Sword - looks healthy, but keeps thining out. I thought it was
supposed to spread.
Frill- looks good
Aqua Fern- looks good (same as when I bought it, a few areas are
brown)
and two others I don't know the name of, one is a lighter green fern
and the other has a round leaf but I can't place the name but most of
it has died, from root rot I assume. Only one sprig of it is left.

How often should I leave the light on, how important is the type of
light. I am using what came with my aquarium. This is what the
fluorescent bulb has printed on it :

Eclipse Natural Daylight
F15T8 18"
CE (Hg)
47A


Does anyone have any recommendations for other types of plants that
are hardy and good for a beginner like myself. I seem to uproot a few
plants each time I use my gravel vac, is this common? any tips. I
have a gravel substrate and recently added a thin layer of sand. I
doubt it will remain as the top layer of my substrate for very long.
Really any and all advice is welcome. I would love my tank to be
heavily planted and as natural looking as possible. I also have a
peice of drift wood, a fake rock cave and one air stone under the
gravel bubbling up through the drift wood. I recently read the
airstone is not good for the co2 in a planted tank. Any opinions on
this?

To see pics of my tank go to the link below:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=138180262&albumId=1372232

Thank you everyone.

Becky
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25834 From: Dan Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Conversion time...
Hello everyone,
I have been out of the loop for awhile but have always gotten some
great advise and feedback from this forum and hope for the same in my
most recent adventure into a salt water tank, It will be a non reef
system to hold a shark in a 135 gallon which I currently have set up
double sided with holes in the bottom for drainage and return. under
my tank in the stand rests the 60 gallon sump (overkill I know but I
love the extra space it provides when necessary) I call it the penalty
box!
I have been told a protien skimmer and salt is all I need to convert,
I plan on trying a damsel or 2 before I spend any serious money on a
shark or Lion fish but my question is in regard to the size of protein
skimmer needed for my set-up? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
my local fish stores are giving me conflicting info.
Thanks in advance for any input-

Dan
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25835 From: Sissy Sathre Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: Conversion time...
Dan , I recomend ASM skimmers, in my openion they are the best out there. Allways buy a skimmer bigger than what it's rated for. The fish you are planing to buy produce alot of waste and a good skimmer is vital. You could build you a refugium in part of your sump.
I build refuiums out of 55 gallon tanks all the time.
Contact me if you would like the plans and I'll send them to you e-mail.
I will be gone this weekend, going to the Pet expo in CA.
Hope this helps!

Sissy Sathre
DBA Aquariums By Sissy
www.aquariumsbysissy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:34 PM
Subject: [AquaticLife] Conversion time...


Hello everyone,
I have been out of the loop for awhile but have always gotten some
great advise and feedback from this forum and hope for the same in my
most recent adventure into a salt water tank, It will be a non reef
system to hold a shark in a 135 gallon which I currently have set up
double sided with holes in the bottom for drainage and return. under
my tank in the stand rests the 60 gallon sump (overkill I know but I
love the extra space it provides when necessary) I call it the penalty
box!
I have been told a protien skimmer and salt is all I need to convert,
I plan on trying a damsel or 2 before I spend any serious money on a
shark or Lion fish but my question is in regard to the size of protein
skimmer needed for my set-up? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
my local fish stores are giving me conflicting info.
Thanks in advance for any input-

Dan






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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25836 From: Kelly Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: There is yucky stuff in my tank
I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it up
last week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my
plants, decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a
cloud...is this normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo
section under "Kelly's Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking
about.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25837 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
It looks like it could be some kind of mold.

Are you using the plain ammonia to fishless cycle or are you using fish food
or other food to create the ammonia?

I know with the fish food or shrimp method, it is usually recommended to put
the food in some kind of mesh bag so it can be removed when it starts to get
moldy and doesn't disintegrate into the tank.

If you are just running the tank without adding a source of ammonia, then
that is NOT fishless cycling a tank. I have seen an empty tank just running
for several weeks start to grow a mold but I haven't seen a fishless cycle
where you are bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm develop mold so give us more
info.

If you are using the plain ammonia, make sure it doesn't have any kinds of
surfactants, scents, etc., in it... just plain 10% ammonium hydroxide and
water.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:39 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] There is yucky stuff in my tank

I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it up last
week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my plants,
decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a cloud...is this
normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo section under "Kelly's
Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking about.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25838 From: Kelly Date: 2/12/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Well, I never read anything on putting ammonia in the tank.
Oops...lol I thought I was just supposed to put the water in the tank
and leave it for a few weeks. I put in the chemical from the pet
store that they said would speed up the cycling process. Do I need to
change the water in the tank and start over?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> It looks like it could be some kind of mold.
>
> Are you using the plain ammonia to fishless cycle or are you using
fish food
> or other food to create the ammonia?
>
> I know with the fish food or shrimp method, it is usually
recommended to put
> the food in some kind of mesh bag so it can be removed when it
starts to get
> moldy and doesn't disintegrate into the tank.
>
> If you are just running the tank without adding a source of ammonia,
then
> that is NOT fishless cycling a tank. I have seen an empty tank just
running
> for several weeks start to grow a mold but I haven't seen a fishless
cycle
> where you are bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm develop mold so give
us more
> info.
>
> If you are using the plain ammonia, make sure it doesn't have any
kinds of
> surfactants, scents, etc., in it... just plain 10% ammonium
hydroxide and
> water.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:39 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] There is yucky stuff in my tank
>
> I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it
up last
> week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my plants,
> decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a
cloud...is this
> normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo section under
"Kelly's
> Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking about.
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25839 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Another case of HORRIBLE advice from a pet store employee. Luckily you
found this group! :-D

Do you know what the "chemical" was that they sold you? The ONLY
bacteria-in-a-bottle that works as advertised for cycling a tank is a
product called Bio-Spira which is processed, shipped and kept refrigerated
so most stores do not sell it... but they should!

Remember this lesson... in most cases, there is not a chemical fix for
things that are not going right for your fish or tank. There are "natural"
solutions and of course, frequent 25% PWC's (partial water changes) that are
good for your fish and tank but stay away from chemicals unless you get the
advice from known experienced fish keepers... the key word is keepers, not
sellers.

Most stores only experience is with getting in baby fish and barely keeping
them alive long enough to sell them. They don't have the long term
experience of keeping the same fish alive for 5, 10, 15, 20+ years.... yes,
many fish live for 20+ years, usually the larger specimens like goldfish,
pleco's, etc.,... if they have the proper sized tank.

Here are a few articles on Fishless Cycling using plain ammonia..
http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15
http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/startover/fishless.shtml

And it would be a good idea to go to my blog
(http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com), then to the page "A to Z of Fish Keeping"
and take one or both of the online tutorials that I have linked to near the
top of that page. This would give you a good foundation of information on
the long term keeping of fish.

I would probably do a complete water change and take out the decorations
that are most covered in the "mold" and wash them off. I think you
basically have a case of stagnant water mixed with whatever that "chemical"
was that they sold you. Vacuum (siphon) your gravel well to get out as much
of that "stuff" as possible. It's probably not harmful and will likely die
off once you get your tank's ecology going properly with a proper fishless
cycle.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:12 AM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank

Well, I never read anything on putting ammonia in the tank.
Oops...lol I thought I was just supposed to put the water in the tank and
leave it for a few weeks. I put in the chemical from the pet store that they
said would speed up the cycling process. Do I need to change the water in
the tank and start over?

--- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> It looks like it could be some kind of mold.
>
> Are you using the plain ammonia to fishless cycle or are you using
fish food
> or other food to create the ammonia?
>
> I know with the fish food or shrimp method, it is usually
recommended to put
> the food in some kind of mesh bag so it can be removed when it
starts to get
> moldy and doesn't disintegrate into the tank.
>
> If you are just running the tank without adding a source of ammonia,
then
> that is NOT fishless cycling a tank. I have seen an empty tank just
running
> for several weeks start to grow a mold but I haven't seen a fishless
cycle
> where you are bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm develop mold so give
us more
> info.
>
> If you are using the plain ammonia, make sure it doesn't have any
kinds of
> surfactants, scents, etc., in it... just plain 10% ammonium
hydroxide and
> water.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Kelly
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:39 PM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AquaticLife] There is yucky stuff in my tank
>
> I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it
up last
> week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my
> plants, decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a
cloud...is this
> normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo section under
"Kelly's
> Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking about.
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25840 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Shelties vs. Border Collies
Whew, got a little behind there but I'm back. I haven't have a ton of experience with BC. We have an excellent Sheltie rescue here and when I have room again I'll be paying them a visit. I volunteer with the NW Rex Rescue. They rescue Devon Rex, Cornish Rex and Sphynx. Recue is so rewarding
Kate

Robert Mazur <rpmazur@...> wrote:
Gregg:

I tend to be a little biased towards Shelties as that is all we've had. My
Mom still has 3 Shelties, 2blue merle and a bi-black. I've been to shows
with my Mom and Dad (when he was alive and showing) and seen BCs. I am sure
if we would have gotten a BC instead of a Sheltie, we'd still have them.

Both animals are adorable and have a wonderful personality. Kudos for you
in being involved with rescue efforts.

Rob

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25841 From: Kelly Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Ok, I put Ammo Lock 2 in it....obviously a stupid thing to do seeing
as how there was no ammonia in the tank to get rid of...lol. The
thing that the pet store told me to put in is called TLC for
Freshwater Aquariums. It says it eliminates toxic NH3 and NO2, cycles
the aquarium in 3 to 7 days rapidly yet safely, improves water
quality, safe for all fish, vertebrates and aquatic plants.

I have to say that I am VERY irritated with this whole process, I am
thinking about just selling my tank. It wouldn't be so bad if the pet
store had given me REAL advice. But if I am having this many problems
before I get any fish in it, what will it be like when I do have
fish??? Just venting...thanks for listening!

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Another case of HORRIBLE advice from a pet store employee. Luckily you
> found this group! :-D
>
> Do you know what the "chemical" was that they sold you? The ONLY
> bacteria-in-a-bottle that works as advertised for cycling a tank is a
> product called Bio-Spira which is processed, shipped and kept
refrigerated
> so most stores do not sell it... but they should!
>
> Remember this lesson... in most cases, there is not a chemical fix for
> things that are not going right for your fish or tank. There are
"natural"
> solutions and of course, frequent 25% PWC's (partial water changes)
that are
> good for your fish and tank but stay away from chemicals unless you
get the
> advice from known experienced fish keepers... the key word is
keepers, not
> sellers.
>
> Most stores only experience is with getting in baby fish and barely
keeping
> them alive long enough to sell them. They don't have the long term
> experience of keeping the same fish alive for 5, 10, 15, 20+
years.... yes,
> many fish live for 20+ years, usually the larger specimens like
goldfish,
> pleco's, etc.,... if they have the proper sized tank.
>
> Here are a few articles on Fishless Cycling using plain ammonia..
> http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15
> http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html
> http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/startover/fishless.shtml
>
> And it would be a good idea to go to my blog
> (http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com), then to the page "A to Z of Fish
Keeping"
> and take one or both of the online tutorials that I have linked to
near the
> top of that page. This would give you a good foundation of
information on
> the long term keeping of fish.
>
> I would probably do a complete water change and take out the decorations
> that are most covered in the "mold" and wash them off. I think you
> basically have a case of stagnant water mixed with whatever that
"chemical"
> was that they sold you. Vacuum (siphon) your gravel well to get out
as much
> of that "stuff" as possible. It's probably not harmful and will
likely die
> off once you get your tank's ecology going properly with a proper
fishless
> cycle.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:12 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
>
> Well, I never read anything on putting ammonia in the tank.
> Oops...lol I thought I was just supposed to put the water in the
tank and
> leave it for a few weeks. I put in the chemical from the pet store
that they
> said would speed up the cycling process. Do I need to change the
water in
> the tank and start over?
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like it could be some kind of mold.
> >
> > Are you using the plain ammonia to fishless cycle or are you using
> fish food
> > or other food to create the ammonia?
> >
> > I know with the fish food or shrimp method, it is usually
> recommended to put
> > the food in some kind of mesh bag so it can be removed when it
> starts to get
> > moldy and doesn't disintegrate into the tank.
> >
> > If you are just running the tank without adding a source of ammonia,
> then
> > that is NOT fishless cycling a tank. I have seen an empty tank just
> running
> > for several weeks start to grow a mold but I haven't seen a fishless
> cycle
> > where you are bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm develop mold so give
> us more
> > info.
> >
> > If you are using the plain ammonia, make sure it doesn't have any
> kinds of
> > surfactants, scents, etc., in it... just plain 10% ammonium
> hydroxide and
> > water.
> >
> > Lenny Vasbinder
> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On
> > Behalf Of Kelly
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:39 PM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] There is yucky stuff in my tank
> >
> > I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it
> up last
> > week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my
> > plants, decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a
> cloud...is this
> > normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo section under
> "Kelly's
> > Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking about.
> >
>
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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25842 From: Kate Conrow Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Wait, Plecos eat snails? When the terrible day happened, and I lost all the fish and shrimp, the snails went nuts! They ate pretty much my whole Rotala and did a number on the Nymphaea. What about the Bushy nose? Or are there any other Plecos that stay small?
Kate

Gregg Bender <greggb57@...> wrote:
Put a few plecostomus catfish in there and you'll never see the snails again
Snails are like pleco candy!

  
Gregg Bender
Owned by The Barks Brothers, four professional woofers.
www.nvsr.org

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25843 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Brown Algae
Hi. I am new to the group. My name is Jimmy. In November I set up a 90 gal tank with a Fluval 405 filter. After a period of cycling I gradually added a verity of gouramis. It now contain 16 gouramis and 2 Giant Bronkus catfish. The largest of the gouramis is about 3 inches with most being about 2 inches. The ammonia and nitrites are at 0 and the nitrates are 10 ppm. The phosphate is about 1 ppm. All plants are artificial. The aquarium does not get any direct sunlight. The light is left on from 4 to 5 hours per day. Within the last month I have begun to see a brown algae on some of the decorations and plants. I change 25 to 30% of the water every 2 weeks and attempt to remove as mush of the algae as possible with gravel vacuuming. The water is clear. My question is will the algae continue to spread? Would a UV Sterilizer be advised? Although it is not a big problem now if it continues to spread it will be.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25844 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
Yep.... all you needed was a 99 cent bottle of plain ammonia and you would
have been well on your way to having your tank completely cycled by now.

It's pathetic that these stores won't give people accurate information..
either because they are ignorant or they are doing it on purpose.

Actually, the chemistry and biology parts and the nitrogen cycle are the
hardest part of fish keeping but it's like riding a bike, once you catch on,
it's a piece of cake. At least you are learning these things without
experimenting on fish like so many unsuspecting folks end up doing when they
buy fish first and then have to do all the chemistry stuff while their fish
are suffering.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelly
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:47 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank

Ok, I put Ammo Lock 2 in it....obviously a stupid thing to do seeing as how
there was no ammonia in the tank to get rid of...lol. The thing that the pet
store told me to put in is called TLC for Freshwater Aquariums. It says it
eliminates toxic NH3 and NO2, cycles the aquarium in 3 to 7 days rapidly yet
safely, improves water quality, safe for all fish, vertebrates and aquatic
plants.

I have to say that I am VERY irritated with this whole process, I am
thinking about just selling my tank. It wouldn't be so bad if the pet store
had given me REAL advice. But if I am having this many problems before I get
any fish in it, what will it be like when I do have fish??? Just
venting...thanks for listening!

-- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
<GoldLenny@...> wrote:
>
> Another case of HORRIBLE advice from a pet store employee. Luckily you
> found this group! :-D
>
> Do you know what the "chemical" was that they sold you? The ONLY
> bacteria-in-a-bottle that works as advertised for cycling a tank is a
> product called Bio-Spira which is processed, shipped and kept
refrigerated
> so most stores do not sell it... but they should!
>
> Remember this lesson... in most cases, there is not a chemical fix for
> things that are not going right for your fish or tank. There are
"natural"
> solutions and of course, frequent 25% PWC's (partial water changes)
that are
> good for your fish and tank but stay away from chemicals unless you
get the
> advice from known experienced fish keepers... the key word is
keepers, not
> sellers.
>
> Most stores only experience is with getting in baby fish and barely
keeping
> them alive long enough to sell them. They don't have the long term
> experience of keeping the same fish alive for 5, 10, 15, 20+
years.... yes,
> many fish live for 20+ years, usually the larger specimens like
goldfish,
> pleco's, etc.,... if they have the proper sized tank.
>
> Here are a few articles on Fishless Cycling using plain ammonia..
> http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15
> <http://www.aquatic-hobbyist.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15>
> http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html
> <http://www.csupomona.edu/~jskoga/Aquariums/Ammonia.html>
> http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/startover/fishless.shtml
> <http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/startover/fishless.shtml>
>
> And it would be a good idea to go to my blog
> (http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> ), then
> to the page "A to Z of Fish
Keeping"
> and take one or both of the online tutorials that I have linked to
near the
> top of that page. This would give you a good foundation of
information on
> the long term keeping of fish.
>
> I would probably do a complete water change and take out the
> decorations that are most covered in the "mold" and wash them off. I
> think you basically have a case of stagnant water mixed with whatever
> that
"chemical"
> was that they sold you. Vacuum (siphon) your gravel well to get out
as much
> of that "stuff" as possible. It's probably not harmful and will
likely die
> off once you get your tank's ecology going properly with a proper
fishless
> cycle.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On
> Behalf Of Kelly
> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:12 AM
> To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [AquaticLife] Re: There is yucky stuff in my tank
>
> Well, I never read anything on putting ammonia in the tank.
> Oops...lol I thought I was just supposed to put the water in the
tank and
> leave it for a few weeks. I put in the chemical from the pet store
that they
> said would speed up the cycling process. Do I need to change the
water in
> the tank and start over?
>
> --- In AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny"
> <GoldLenny@> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like it could be some kind of mold.
> >
> > Are you using the plain ammonia to fishless cycle or are you using
> fish food
> > or other food to create the ammonia?
> >
> > I know with the fish food or shrimp method, it is usually
> recommended to put
> > the food in some kind of mesh bag so it can be removed when it
> starts to get
> > moldy and doesn't disintegrate into the tank.
> >
> > If you are just running the tank without adding a source of ammonia,
> then
> > that is NOT fishless cycling a tank. I have seen an empty tank just
> running
> > for several weeks start to grow a mold but I haven't seen a fishless
> cycle
> > where you are bringing the ammonia up to 4-5ppm develop mold so give
> us more
> > info.
> >
> > If you are using the plain ammonia, make sure it doesn't have any
> kinds of
> > surfactants, scents, etc., in it... just plain 10% ammonium
> hydroxide and
> > water.
> >
> > Lenny Vasbinder
> > Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
> > <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On
> > Behalf Of Kelly
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:39 PM
> > To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [AquaticLife] There is yucky stuff in my tank
> >
> > I am still doing the fishless cycle on my 55 gallon tank. I set it
> up last
> > week and today I noticed that there is white stuff growing on my
> > plants, decorations and on the bottom of the tank. It looks like a
> cloud...is this
> > normal? What is it? I put some pictures in the photo section under
> "Kelly's
> > Tank" so you can see exactly what I am talking about.
> >
>

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25845 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Water Fleas
Common pleco's are omnivores so they'll eat pretty much anything if they are
hungry. I've never seen one eat a snail before but I guess anything is
possible. I had my common pleco in with a couple of golden mystery snails
and although he would occasionally suck on their shells to get any algae off
of them, he never did harm the snails. Of course, I kept my guy well fed
with algae thins and fresh veggies so he wouldn't go after his tank mates.
Some people put a pleco in a tank and think they can survive on algae and
leftover scraps and this is when you hear about the pleco grabbing hold of a
slow moving fish.

Also, it's never a good idea to advise putting a pleco in any tank without
knowing the tank size. Common pleco's grow to 18"+ and need a 75G 6' tank
as a minimum. They can do OK for a couple of years in a 55G 4' tank but
they will even get stunted in that sized tank if kept there too long.

Another fish I often see advised for snails are a clown loach but clown
loaches also get BIG and should be in shoals of five or more so they should
only be kept in BIG (125G+) tanks as well. Other loaches stay smaller but
aren't as good of snail eaters and they also need to be kept in shoals so
they are not a good recommendation to prevent snails.. unless you like
loaches and have a large enough tank.

A BN Pleco does stay smaller, under 6", but it's not a snail eater as far as
I know... but fish don't often read the same things we read. LOL

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kate Conrow
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 2:20 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AquaticLife] Re: Water Fleas

Wait, Plecos eat snails? When the terrible day happened, and I lost all the
fish and shrimp, the snails went nuts! They ate pretty much my whole Rotala
and did a number on the Nymphaea. What about the Bushy nose? Or are there
any other Plecos that stay small?
Kate

Gregg Bender <greggb57@... <mailto:greggb57%40gmail.com> > wrote:
Put a few plecostomus catfish in there and you'll never see the snails again
Snails are like pleco candy!

  
Gregg Bender
Owned by The Barks Brothers, four professional woofers.
www.nvsr.org


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25846 From: Sigbackoffice Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Newbie
Hello all, I am new to this group as well as to saltwater fishkeeping;
I have been keeping freshwater fish for years. I setup a saltwater
tank over a year ago and it has really not had anything in it except
for live sand and rock, a chocolate chip star fish, 1 turbo snail, and
1 herbit. I have been a little afraid to put anything in it for fear
of killing it, I take my water to my local fish store on a regular
basis to have it tested and it always tests good. I have recently
added a rabbitfish and a Fu manChu lionfish, and now I am wanting to
set up a refugium but do not have the slighest idea how to even begin
to go about it. Any help I can get in here will be great, thanks in
advance.

Tiffany
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25847 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
You have several issues.

If your tank is only a month old, brown algae is common due to the excess
silicates that leach from many things in a new aquarium... including the
silicone. The brown algae (diatoms) will utilize these excess silicates as
the rest of the tanks ecology gets established. Just brush the diatoms off
the glass and plants and vacuum it up like you are doing. It's harmless as
far as I know.

You are leaving the lights on too little. Your tank should mimic Mother
Nature and at most have light for only 12 hours a day but usually 8-10 hours
is good. Why are you leaving them on for only 4-5 hours a day? That's not
giving your fish much "daylight" and could possibly lead to stress and
health issues. This will also help establish the rest of the "natural"
biology in your tank.

You are also on the verge of being way overstocked (or you may already be
way overstocked) unless all of your gouramis are the dwarf varieties. Most
non-dwarf gouramies should grow to 6" each. Neither me nor Google has heard
of a "Giant Bronkus catfish" so I have no clue how large they are supposed
to get but judging from the name, your tank isn't big enough for them
either. Overstocking your tank or having BIG fish in an undersized tank
will lead to high hormone levels which will cause stress and health issues
to your fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

Hi. I am new to the group. My name is Jimmy. In November I set up a 90 gal
tank with a Fluval 405 filter. After a period of cycling I gradually added a
verity of gouramis. It now contain 16 gouramis and 2 Giant Bronkus catfish.
The largest of the gouramis is about 3 inches with most being about 2
inches. The ammonia and nitrites are at 0 and the nitrates are 10 ppm. The
phosphate is about 1 ppm. All plants are artificial. The aquarium does not
get any direct sunlight. The light is left on from 4 to 5 hours per day.
Within the last month I have begun to see a brown algae on some of the
decorations and plants. I change 25 to 30% of the water every 2 weeks and
attempt to remove as mush of the algae as possible with gravel vacuuming.
The water is clear. My question is will the algae continue to spread? Would
a UV Sterilizer be advised? Although it is not a big problem now if it
continues to spread it will be.


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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25848 From: Carmen H Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
I just assumed Jimmy meant Brochis Cats... If so, max size is 3.5".
I've seen them sold as giant corys...

Carmen

> Neither me nor Google has heard
> of a "Giant Bronkus catfish" so I have no clue how large they are supposed
> to get
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25849 From: Steve Szabo Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Lenny,

I thought, when I read that part about the "Bronkus catfish" he meant
_Brochis_, some of which can grow 4-6".

\\Steve//


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:16 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

You have several issues.

If your tank is only a month old, brown algae is common due to the
excess
silicates that leach from many things in a new aquarium... including the
silicone. The brown algae (diatoms) will utilize these excess silicates
as
the rest of the tanks ecology gets established. Just brush the diatoms
off
the glass and plants and vacuum it up like you are doing. It's harmless
as
far as I know.

You are leaving the lights on too little. Your tank should mimic Mother
Nature and at most have light for only 12 hours a day but usually 8-10
hours
is good. Why are you leaving them on for only 4-5 hours a day? That's
not
giving your fish much "daylight" and could possibly lead to stress and
health issues. This will also help establish the rest of the "natural"
biology in your tank.

You are also on the verge of being way overstocked (or you may already
be
way overstocked) unless all of your gouramis are the dwarf varieties.
Most
non-dwarf gouramies should grow to 6" each. Neither me nor Google has
heard
of a "Giant Bronkus catfish" so I have no clue how large they are
supposed
to get but judging from the name, your tank isn't big enough for them
either. Overstocking your tank or having BIG fish in an undersized tank
will lead to high hormone levels which will cause stress and health
issues
to your fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com]
On
Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

Hi. I am new to the group. My name is Jimmy. In November I set up a 90
gal
tank with a Fluval 405 filter. After a period of cycling I gradually
added a
verity of gouramis. It now contain 16 gouramis and 2 Giant Bronkus
catfish.
The largest of the gouramis is about 3 inches with most being about 2
inches. The ammonia and nitrites are at 0 and the nitrates are 10 ppm.
The
phosphate is about 1 ppm. All plants are artificial. The aquarium does
not
get any direct sunlight. The light is left on from 4 to 5 hours per day.
Within the last month I have begun to see a brown algae on some of the
decorations and plants. I change 25 to 30% of the water every 2 weeks
and
attempt to remove as mush of the algae as possible with gravel
vacuuming.
The water is clear. My question is will the algae continue to spread?
Would
a UV Sterilizer be advised? Although it is not a big problem now if it
continues to spread it will be.
Group: AquaticLife Message: 25850 From: Lenny V. aka GoldLenny Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
4-6"? Doesn't sound like much of a "giant". LOL I see that the brochis
splendens is referred to as a "Giant Cory" or "Emerald Catfish" so at least
they would be fine in the 90G but I'm still worried about 16 gouramis.

I didn't realize you spelled it correctly and I Googled broNchis but Google
suggested brochis as the correct spelling.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Steve Szabo
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:19 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

Lenny,

I thought, when I read that part about the "Bronkus catfish" he meant
_Brochis_, some of which can grow 4-6".

\\Steve//

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Lenny V. aka GoldLenny
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:16 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

You have several issues.

If your tank is only a month old, brown algae is common due to the excess
silicates that leach from many things in a new aquarium... including the
silicone. The brown algae (diatoms) will utilize these excess silicates as
the rest of the tanks ecology gets established. Just brush the diatoms off
the glass and plants and vacuum it up like you are doing. It's harmless as
far as I know.

You are leaving the lights on too little. Your tank should mimic Mother
Nature and at most have light for only 12 hours a day but usually 8-10 hours
is good. Why are you leaving them on for only 4-5 hours a day? That's not
giving your fish much "daylight" and could possibly lead to stress and
health issues. This will also help establish the rest of the "natural"
biology in your tank.

You are also on the verge of being way overstocked (or you may already be
way overstocked) unless all of your gouramis are the dwarf varieties.
Most
non-dwarf gouramies should grow to 6" each. Neither me nor Google has heard
of a "Giant Bronkus catfish" so I have no clue how large they are supposed
to get but judging from the name, your tank isn't big enough for them
either. Overstocking your tank or having BIG fish in an undersized tank will
lead to high hormone levels which will cause stress and health issues to
your fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com <http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AquaticLife%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

Hi. I am new to the group. My name is Jimmy. In November I set up a 90 gal
tank with a Fluval 405 filter. After a period of cycling I gradually added a
verity of gouramis. It now contain 16 gouramis and 2 Giant Bronkus catfish.
The largest of the gouramis is about 3 inches with most being about 2
inches. The ammonia and nitrites are at 0 and the nitrates are 10 ppm.
The
phosphate is about 1 ppm. All plants are artificial. The aquarium does not
get any direct sunlight. The light is left on from 4 to 5 hours per day.
Within the last month I have begun to see a brown algae on some of the
decorations and plants. I change 25 to 30% of the water every 2 weeks and
attempt to remove as mush of the algae as possible with gravel vacuuming.
The water is clear. My question is will the algae continue to spread?
Would
a UV Sterilizer be advised? Although it is not a big problem now if it
continues to spread it will be.

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Group: AquaticLife Message: 25851 From: Jimmy McHaney Date: 2/13/2008
Subject: Re: Brown Algae
Thanks Lenny. I'll put the lights on a timer. I was leaving them on only
when I was at home. Sorry I misspelled the catfish name. It should have
been Giant Brochis (Brochis britskii). It is reported up to 5 in. but
usually smaller. Mine are about 2 in. currently. They are not Corydoras,
but similar. As for the brown algae I'll continue to treat it as I am by
cleaning and vacuuming with partial water changes. Maybe it will clear up
with more light and time.
Jimmy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenny V. aka GoldLenny" <GoldLenny@...>
To: <AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae


You have several issues.

If your tank is only a month old, brown algae is common due to the excess
silicates that leach from many things in a new aquarium... including the
silicone. The brown algae (diatoms) will utilize these excess silicates as
the rest of the tanks ecology gets established. Just brush the diatoms off
the glass and plants and vacuum it up like you are doing. It's harmless as
far as I know.

You are leaving the lights on too little. Your tank should mimic Mother
Nature and at most have light for only 12 hours a day but usually 8-10 hours
is good. Why are you leaving them on for only 4-5 hours a day? That's not
giving your fish much "daylight" and could possibly lead to stress and
health issues. This will also help establish the rest of the "natural"
biology in your tank.

You are also on the verge of being way overstocked (or you may already be
way overstocked) unless all of your gouramis are the dwarf varieties. Most
non-dwarf gouramies should grow to 6" each. Neither me nor Google has heard
of a "Giant Bronkus catfish" so I have no clue how large they are supposed
to get but judging from the name, your tank isn't big enough for them
either. Overstocking your tank or having BIG fish in an undersized tank
will lead to high hormone levels which will cause stress and health issues
to your fish.

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com


-----Original Message-----
From: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jimmy McHaney
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 6:01 PM
To: AquaticLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AquaticLife] Brown Algae

Hi. I am new to the group. My name is Jimmy. In November I set up a 90 gal
tank with a Fluval 405 filter. After a period of cycling I gradually added a
verity